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bobbijo69

06-17-2004, 02:41 PM

1) Look at the names: BobbiJo and Roxanna – We are definitely female!

2) We can’t answer that question due to the fact that I do not know who the tipster is. I have an idea and if I am correct, that person is not reliable on telling the truth. I will do this for you, I will do some investigating and find the answer for you and come back with the answer – from the horses mouth so to speak. I will give you an answer with in the next day or two.

3) I have not heard anything from the authorities stating that the findings pointed to Vincent, as a matter of fact, I believe nothing was found to link him to those items. No DNA on the items for Vince or Carrie. Hmmm, with the technology now days you think that there would have been…

And this is From ROXANNA via BobbiJo

LP Moderator

06-17-2004, 02:54 PM

Well in any case, let's get back on track. Enough posting about personalities, etc. If its not case related - leave it off of the forum.

findcarrie

06-17-2004, 03:25 PM

bobbijo69

06-17-2004, 04:24 PM

The news report said that one of the tipsters was an exgirlfriend of Vincent Doan, who still writes to him. Now how more related to Vince can you get? I'll be waiting for an answer and I dont resond to anything but a direct answer to my question. :boohoo:
2) We can’t answer that question due to the fact that I do not know who the tipster is. I have an idea and if I am correct, that person is not reliable on telling the truth. I will do this for you, I will do some investigating and find the answer for you and come back with the answer – from the horses mouth so to speak. I will give you an answer with in the next day or two

Jade

06-17-2004, 04:37 PM

The news report said that one of the tipsters was an exgirlfriend of Vincent Doan, who still writes to him. Now how more related to Vince can you get?

I find this article confusing.

Quote from articleTwo informants, including one who still communicates with the imprisoned former boyfriend of murder victim Carrie Culberson, pointed authorities to the pole barn here for a three-week dig that has failed to uncover her remains, according to a search warrant unsealed Wednesday.

Over the past two months, two informants have come forward regarding Culberson's whereabouts, states the warrant, written by Investigator Mark Penn of the Clermont County Sheriff's Office.

One of the informants still has contact with Vincent Doan, her former boyfriend who was convicted in 1997 of murder and kidnapping and is serving life in prison.
"They continue to write back and forth," the warrant states. End Quote

It seems to be referring to Carrie as a former girlfriend as a descriptive phrase?
Her as in Carrie's not the informants.
Weird editing maybe?

IMO

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06-17-2004, 07:19 PM

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tybee204

06-17-2004, 09:31 PM

Those of you that support those convicted of murder really need to rethink your strategy. Your current antics do not help your cause at all. Perhaps you can elect a spokesperson that is both intelligent and articulate to be a voice. If your presentation everywhere mirrors the one you have presented on this board, your loved ones will with out a doubt spend the rest of their lives in prison. Kind of like the old saying, "With friends like you , who needs enemys?"

tt2froggy

06-17-2004, 09:36 PM

Hi,

I have read the threads and would like to point out that sometimes the judicial system does fail. Maybe he did do it, maybe he didn't. I am truly amazed that in this day and age there is a conviction with no body or murder weapon. I would like to remind people that there was a case where the police, d.a., prosecuting attorney make the evidence fit what they need and that case was the Dillwoulby case. They even know who the murder was but the evidence was tainted to reflect a different outcome. Just maybe, just maybe there is another side that needs to be explored. I do hope that closure happens for everyone involved.

WasBlind

06-17-2004, 10:15 PM

I do hope that closure happens for everyone involved.

froggy, this post is for everyone, not just you. You just happen to be the lucky one who posted "that" word.

I do not know why I keep having to say this. There is NO such thing as "closure" for the victims of crime, ever. Nothing is ever closed in their lives again. It's a media spin and it is crap. Have you ever noticed someone whose child is missing, or whose child was murdered and how they start a speech or letter? "Our lives were forever changed......"

You can close a book, you can close your garage door, but you cannot close a crime or the questions that come with it for the rest of your life. (i.e. "Why was my child taken?" , "If I had been there, could I have protected them?" , "Why is the criminal justice system suited to give justice to criminals?") The list goes on and on and on. No family can ever resume a normal life again. Something is missing, something is askew.

Ask anyone on this board who is living it, they will tell you.

PLEASE, I beg of you, quit using this word "CLOSURE".

The proper expression is "an answer". AN answer, not THE answer. AN answer. So many unanswered questions........only answers, no closure.

Lanie, A victim of crime who will never find "closure"

LP Moderator

06-17-2004, 10:45 PM

Lanie, thank you and God bless you! I think we need to have t-shirts made up.

Tybee - excellent post!

basic2871

06-17-2004, 11:24 PM

All I know about this case I heard from the media and a couple of websites. If there is never closure, then why does Debbie Culberson keep "throwing" the word around when she talks to the media? No need to jump down my throat, it was just a question, because she has used the word quite often.
I am on neither side but I do hope that the truth is found out once and for all so that both families can move on with their lives. :)

tt2froggy

06-18-2004, 12:22 AM

tybee204

06-18-2004, 02:19 AM

I guess the main point I was trying to make was missed. So I will help, The judicial system can fail even when we, as a society, try to work for the system to do what it should. I don't know of the guilt, but I am well aware of biased opionions in the judicial system, and the unopened minds there.

And for someone who HAS had tragedy in their life, CLOSURE is an ok word. It means moving on. It means making a choice of letting circumstances rule you or you rule them. It means you taking control and being at peace with something. According to the media, neither family is at peace

I stumbled across this site researching this subject. I have been in the cincy area since this has happened, and feel for the friends and family of Carrie's, and was looking for info on the case when the digging started back up. I am amazed as how time has gone by people are basically saying that she was a "saint" and didn't seem to have any flaws. We all know that not to be true, we have all done something we are not proud of. Carrie's seems to be caught up in a bad boy. At one time or another, I bet some of us have been drawn to a bad boy we couldn't seem to shake, the biggest difference is we are here to talk about our bad choices, she is not. Like I said before, I feel for both families and I do hope that CLOSURE does find them in any form, be it answers or able to deal with the fact that answers may never reveal themselves.

I am truly amazed at the bitterness that seems to show itself of this thread, how productive is that? Does it truly help anyone achieve the answers that the families are entitled to?

I just have to respond to this. Regardless of what a victim of murder did or didnt do in life , it does not justify their murder. Being drawn to a bad boy does not in any way justify murder. To blame the victim for the actions of a deviant is WRONG. I imagine Carrie Culberson's mother is on a quest for closure. Some release to her pain. She hopes that finding her daughters body and giving it a burial will offer a release of her pain. To some degree it will soothe her dispair , but the fact is her daughter was murdered and that will never change. There is no closure in loosing a child only survival. The suspects in this crime were tried , convicted and sentenced. This is not going to change because friends and family members troll websites and harrass friends and family members of the victim of murder and offer no verifiable facts of innocense. In fact its just sick. IMO of course. If they truly believe their loved one innocent their energies would be better spent focused on the judicial system, not internet forums.

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 08:21 AM

You know what people? This stuff you are seeing that is directed at a woman who is unable to defend herself or her family about the things being said should reflect to you what is really going on. I cannot get anybody to answer a question, however I can have this same group of people call me every name this side of Texas and see the false accusations being posted on Vince's site. If I havent done a single thing, then BY GOSH I've shown you all what we have been dealing with.
Yes I'm bitter. I'm sick of being harassed and Carrie's family too. I decided to take a stand against this BS and I wont ever back down because what happend to Carrie - regardless of who you may think is responsible is WRONG. Somebody has to take a stand and say, "you know what", I am wont allow this to happen". Her mother wants her back and I'll be that little thorn in the sides of everybody who doesnt like that until I get what I want. AND I dont think I'm asking too much. So when you read that stuff that is being posted, take a look inside your own mind and see if you think we are truely the people they are saying we are.

We love you Carrie, and we will continue to look at you until you are found!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 08:43 AM

Carrie Culberson Memorial Scheduled

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/18/loc_culberson18.html

We love you Carrie and we will continue to search for you until you are found.
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Storm

06-18-2004, 09:08 AM

It's very easy to see who is innocent here. I personally am here to support you, findcarrie! I think anyone can see through these other folks. If not, just take a glance at that website, review the case. He's an abuser, a murderer and a liar. He's where he belongs. We'll stand with Carrie's family. I pray that she is brought home to her family. You know, I believe with all of my heart that judgment isn't here on earth. Vince and his defenders will be judged someday for their actions and their words.
^i^

You know what people? This stuff you are seeing that is directed at a woman who is unable to defend herself or her family about the things being said should reflect to you what is really going on. I cannot get anybody to answer a question, however I can have this same group of people call me every name this side of Texas and see the false accusations being posted on Vince's site. If I havent done a single thing, then BY GOSH I've shown you all what we have been dealing with.
Yes I'm bitter. I'm sick of being harassed and Carrie's family too. I decided to take a stand against this BS and I wont ever back down because what happend to Carrie - regardless of who you may think is responsible is WRONG. Somebody has to take a stand and say, "you know what", I am wont allow this to happen". Her mother wants her back and I'll be that little thorn in the sides of everybody who doesnt like that until I get what I want. AND I dont think I'm asking too much. So when you read that stuff that is being posted, take a look inside your own mind and see if you think we are truely the people they are saying we are.

We love you Carrie, and we will continue to look at you until you are found!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

Char

06-18-2004, 09:50 AM

I just have to respond to this. Regardless of what a victim of murder did or didnt do in life , it does not justify their murder. Being drawn to a bad boy does not in any way justify murder. To blame the victim for the actions of a deviant is WRONG. If they truly believe their loved one innocent their energies would be better spent focused on the judicial system, not internet forums.

:chicken: Tybee, Great Post!! The Doan/Bakerclones must feel really superior when they start attacking the victim and saying she was a "bad" girl and she must have brought this upon themselves. I guess because she let herself be a punching bag for Vincieboy that gave him license to take her life. NOT!! Regardless what folks have done in their life (that includes everyone here including the clones) that does not justify murdering the victim and then slandering her memory. Carrie didn't ask for this. VInce did ask for this since he murdered and was tried and convicted for her murder. In life you make choices and Vincey and Tracey chose to commit a heinous murder and now must pay the piper. I only wish Vince would make his family stop slandering Carrie, Debra and anyone else that is involved in this. I guess he condones what the clan is doing. May God pity their souls for what they are doing. BTW, I know what your doing over there and so do the police. They are just watching you folks, proof is stacked up and they are just waiting for one slip up and then off you go to the pokey to join your cousins. Also, how many of his "close relatives" actually go to the prison to visit them and spend time with them? Makes me wonder. Just like the playground bully, all talk and no action. They have the right boy in jail along with his brother the accomplice. :dance:

LP Moderator

06-18-2004, 10:08 AM

Char

06-18-2004, 10:20 AM

TT2Froggy,

My sister disappeared in the early 1980s. She was missing for 11 years before her remains were found. No one has been arrested, charged or convicted for her murder. My mother died on her 49th birthday. My father died one month later. They both died years before my sister's remains were found. Just exactly what kind of closure do you think I've had?

:( LP I am sincerely sorry for your losses. May your mother, father and sister be at peace now and be together in heaven. My apologies for the Doan/Baker Clones that come here under assumed names and try to belittle victims like yourself and Carrie's mother. They obviously don't get it and have no compassion. Most of the posters here can sympathize with you and understand. Others, I can respectively say do not.

God bless your family along with Carrie Culberson and her family.

LP Moderator

06-18-2004, 10:32 AM

:( LP I am sincerely sorry for your losses. May your mother, father and sister be at peace now and be together in heaven. My apologies for the Doan/Baker Clones that come here under assumed names and try to belittle victims like yourself and Carrie's mother. They obviously don't get it and have no compassion. Most of the posters here can sympathize with you and understand. Others, I can respectively say do not.

God bless your family along with Carrie Culberson and her family.

Thanks Char. I wasn't trying to elicit sympathy, just to prove a point. I do take a great deal of comfort in the fact that my sister is no longer alone and my parents are there with her now.

Family and friends of murderers get on the defensive and lose some of their humanity I think.

Char

06-18-2004, 10:39 AM

Thanks Char. I wasn't trying to elicit sympathy, just to prove a point. I do take a great deal of comfort in the fact that my sister is no longer alone and my parents are there with her now.

Family and friends of murderers get on the defensive and lose some of their humanity I think.

:( I know you weren't looking for sympathy. I was also making a point that NOT all folks that come here are cold and just plain stupid. I can show empathy toward people and the situations they are in but when they come across as rude, obnoxious and disrespectful that just blows it for me. Compassion is the key for anyone be it the victim of a henious crime or the convicted murderer. The minute they stop being human it all goes out the window. I often wonder if Vinceyboy realizes the damage that his socalled clan is doing to him and his reputation? Talk to him and quit standing behind Jesus and the bible. Like life you folks are suiting the bible to your needs and twisting what it stands for. Try showing compassion for Carrie Vincent Supporters and then realize what your boy did and the fact that he is now spending his life behind bars. Maybe then you will feel peace with God instead of all this anger and blaming the victim.

WasBlind

06-18-2004, 11:27 AM

I said "froggy, this post is for everyone, not just you. You just happen to be the lucky one who posted "that" word."

Let me elaborate, I was not attacking you or anyone. I was simply stating a fact. Please re-read my post "this post is for EVERYONE".

I also said "Nothing is ever closed in their lives again. It's a media spin and it is crap."

The media started using this word and it is used wrongly. Period! We happen to pick up and use expressions and words the media did. That is a fact.

Froggy, you said "And for someone who HAS had tragedy in their life, CLOSURE is an ok word. It means moving on."

My comment on this is GOOD for you. If you are happy with that word, so be it. Tragedy and crime are two very different things. Everyone experiences tragedy in their lifetime. Not everyone is a victim of crime.

Froggy you also said "I am truly amazed at the bitterness that seems to show itself of this thread, how productive is that?"

My comment is I too am amazed at how bitter/angry some are, but if you think I am bitter, think again. God has called me to help the families of the missing, lost and abducted. I could not do my work and help them if I were bitter. Personally, I see bitterness on one side of this issue, and on the other side I see passion and an intense desire to help a family who wishes to find and give their daughter a proper burial. Then again, I have spoken to some on Carrie's case, so perhaps I know more than yourself. I have heard the passion in the voices of those who search to find her. None I have spoken with ever sounded angry or bitter. If they had, I would say so.

And for basis2871, you said "If there is never closure, then why does Debbie Culberson keep "throwing" the word around when she talks to the media?"

I'll tell ya what, why not ask her, as I can only speak for myself. I am not Debbie Culberson. I am Lanie, founder of a missing persons advocacy group.

I do hope that everyone here who reads this will understand one thing. I am not, nor have I ever been angry about the use of the word closure. I am simply trying to make a point. If you would close your eyes for one moment and imagine yourself looking for the most important person in your life, you would feel intense despair. Please know that this feeling subsides, because you are not looking for that person. My families are living it, daily, it never stops. The pain, the frustration, the sense of helplessness....it never goes away, even after their loved ones come home.

If you wanna know what my life is like, ask me. I have plenty to say on the subject, and if you wanna do something to help, I can put you to work. All I need is two hours a week. Some of you spend more than that arguing on these dern threads, or plotting to argue on them.

Can we please shift focus and get back to Carrie? If both sides want an answer, let's try and work to get that answer. Finding Carrie.

May God richly bless anyone who reads this. My prayer is that you never know the pain of searching for a missing loved one.
With HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing

*edited to fix typos*

basic2871

06-18-2004, 01:00 PM

WasBlind.....I don't know Debbie Culberson as I'm sure most of you don't either, nor do I know any of the Bakers or Doans, and I'm pretty sure no one here does either. Therefore I don't think it would be appropriate for me to think I should be able to ask her anything, just as I don't think it appropriate of the off color comments that are being made towards each family by posters. I would like to see if anyone knows what the coroner was called to the dig site for, was something found? I just find it interesting to read about the information being given, but that is something that has not been mentioned. Please inlighten everyone if you can. :truce: Thank you for your immediate attention and your time.

WasBlind

06-18-2004, 01:11 PM

I do know several involved and who post here, including Debbie. Although I have never met her in person, some on this board have.

Thanks for your comments, Lanie

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 01:20 PM

Some of us do know Debbie Culberson and we are tired of lies that are being poured out on Vince's website in that guestbook.

I believe I have been posting the latest information about what is going on with Carrie. If those of you could step outside your bubble and read it, then you might understand. I dont care anything about tring to understand Vince's friends because they have been very ugly to me way before any of you got onto this board and started witnessing what I witnessed from the second they found Carrie's site came up back two years ago.

This right here is how it is when you try to deal with them :banghead:

LOL

Char

06-18-2004, 01:47 PM

:boohoo: Since someone somewhere was whining about how Vincent was abused by Carrie, where are the police reports of him reporting it? If he didn't report any abuse, why didn't he? Do you think he got marks on him because Carrie "dared" to fight back? Makes you wonder.

I am also questioning Vince's family life. Since he was an abuser of Carrie, was there any signs that his mother was in an abusive relationship that Vincent was made aware above? Did Vincent's father abuse his mom? Was Vincent abused as a child? Alot of times a child growing up in a situation like that tend to turn into abusers themselves later on in life. First they are charming then BOOM, you have two black eyes and a broken lip. I also know for a fact that in prison Vincent wouldn't dare raising his hand up against a man. Period. You know why? Because MEN can fight back and whip his behind the way he beat Carrie. This last time Carrie couldn't or wouldn't fight back and Vincent killed her. Too bad we can't check county and/or state registers with the FOIL to see if Vincent's mother and Vincent were abused. I would also like to find out if Vincent was a drug abuser growing up and if his mother abused drugs or knew of his behavior and didn't try to stop it. I often wonder what Vincent's mother knew. I have heard that her behavior before, during and after has not been the best either. HEre is her son is on trail for murder and she is at bars drinking and carrying on like it's nothing. YOu would figure his mother would want to take an active part in her son's defense. I wonder why she didn't do that let alone speak up about the abuse. I know this will end up on the other sites so get the information right and answer all the questions instead of running away or twisting it to suit your needs. Must be sad knowing your son is a convicted murderer. Too bad they couldn't sue Vince's mother and step-father for their son's actions and not stopping him when they saw how abusive he was considering he lived near or with his mommy.

Any answers here from Camp Doan?

Jade

06-18-2004, 01:59 PM

Was Carrie battered by her father?

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 02:18 PM

Carrie Culberson was never beaten by Roger, her father. Roger had past altercations with Debbie but never with the two girls. This is why Debbie eventually divorced him.

I am not going to answer the question about the Baker family having abuse. You form an educated guess in your mind because I dont usually comment on them if I dont have an article to support my findings.

However you can read the news articles here. And you can learn more in depth about this case if you have questions and I'm sure many of you do.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/carrieslinkspg1.html

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 02:19 PM

Everyone, you are invited to read this article if you have time.

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/baker091897.html

Char

06-18-2004, 02:31 PM

I am not going to answer the question about the Baker family having abuse. You form an educated guess in your mind because I dont usually comment on them if I dont have an article to support my findings. However you can read the news articles here. And you can learn more in depth about this case if you have questions and I'm sure many of you do.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/carrieslinkspg1.html

FindCarrie: I understand what your saying about not responding without the backup of an article to support something and I for one respect that. What I was questioning to the VD supporters is was there any abuse and if so why wasn't it stopped. I wonder why the VD folks aren't responding to this request. I can't find anything in the news anywhere. Thanks though.

Char

06-18-2004, 02:34 PM

Everyone, you are invited to read this article if you have time.

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/baker091897.html

:furious: Oh Yeah the Doan/Baker Clan does not intimidate anyone. Noooo.....Is the tree still standing today? I for one would hate for the blue spruce to be cut down because of a vindictive family.

katkidd

06-18-2004, 02:48 PM

God Bless All. What I do not find right is for people to come on here and trash either side. I could only imagine how frustrating it must be for both sides. I myself see Debbie almost everyday (my babysitter lives next door to her), though I've never spoken to here directly you can totally see the pain the woman has/is living with. I do not think anyone has the right to call her or her family names, how dare someone do that. I'm not here to slam anyone, I am just disgusted with some of the things I have read. Please if you are not here to try and help find Carrie then go elsewhere. God Bless!

LP Moderator

06-18-2004, 02:49 PM

This is most of the article from the link in the post above:

Prosecutor: Lies hid killing
By Michael Rutledge, Post staff reporter

Lawrence Baker not only threatened witnesses at his son's murder trial, he solicited someone to cut down the 30-foot blue spruce ''Angel Tree'' in the victim's front yard that marks her memory, Clinton County officials said Wednesday in seeking a high bond.

Baker's son, Vincent Doan, was convicted Aug. 7 of murdering his girlfriend, Carrie Culberson. Since that conviction, one witness has received so many threats that ''she got laid off because no one was willing to work with her,'' Assistant Prosecutor Rick Moyer told Common Pleas Judge William McCracken.

Prosecutors charge that Baker helped his son cover up the murder while providing him with an alibi.

Baker was in jail after bond was set at $105,000. Two charges of obstructing justice and another charge of tampering with evidence - all felonies - could bring Baker 15 years in prison.

Moyer sought a $200,000 bond for the leader of the family that prosecutors and witnesses portrayed as brutal and bent on intimidation.

''He wanted the Angel Tree cut down,'' Moyer told the judge.

Debra Culberson, mother of 22-year-old Clarissa Ann ''Carrie'' Culberson, was shaken at the new allegation. Because Carrie's body has not been found since her Aug. 28 disappearance, supporters have decorated the tree with angels and lights.

''That's destruction of private property, isn't it?'' Debra Culberson said. ''That's just people trying to remember Carrie.''

* * *

''It's as though they're trying to break the armor of the Baker family, or the Doan family,'' said attorney John Rion, who also represents Doan.

Rion also said he has been in daily contact with Doan's half-brother, Tracey Baker, a long-distance trucker the family said is still on the road.

Rion's son, Jon Paul Rion, also representing the family, said Tracey Baker would turn himself in if prosecutors would reveal charges against him.

During the trial, Tracey Baker's ex-wife, Lori Baker, testified there is a code of silence among ''the Baker women.''

She testified that Doan showed up the night of Carrie's disappearance with dried blood smeared on his chest. He talked privately with Tracey Baker and the two men left with garbage bags and a gun. When they returned, they had blood on their clothes and boots, she testified.

She said her husband warned her not to say anything if police stopped by later that day.

Publication date: 09-18-97

Jade

06-18-2004, 02:50 PM

Carrie Culberson was never beaten by Roger, her father. Roger had past altercations with Debbie but never with the two girls. This is why Debbie eventually divorced him.

However you can read the news articles here. And you can learn more in depth about this case if you have questions and I'm sure many of you do.

http://www.findcarrieculberson.com/carrieslinkspg1.html

Thanks for your reply. I was still just wondering what the attraction to VD was. Thought maybe VD was just like Daddy or something.

Thanks for the link. Wow, lots of reading to be done there. It is going to take awhile.

One thought from what I did read -one would surmise that if a perp thought that he was not going to be convicted that he would not take the plea and have to for sure do some time. Was VD cocky to the end? did he even fake tears?

Char

06-18-2004, 03:09 PM

:confused: I am wondering why Vincent would run away for a weekend knowing the police were looking for him in regards for Carrie's murder? Why wait until Monday to turn himself in? Was he thinking of getting one last free weekend in before going to jail for life?

I'm sorry for not posting my link to back the case up. Here it is:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/03/25/loc_doan.htmlTuesday, March 25, 1997
Ex-boyfriend turns self in
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Doan jailed on kidnapping charges
in Culberson case

BY LISA DONOVAN
The Cincinnati Enquirer

Vincent Doan is escorted to jail by Clinton Coutny sheriff Ralph Fizer after a bond hearing Monday.
(Glenn Hartong photo)
| ZOOM |

WILMINGTON, Ohio - After a weekend of being hunted by authorities, Vincent Doan turned himself in to Clinton County deputies Monday on charges he kidnapped former girlfriend Carrie Culberson.

Reporters swarmed Mr. Doan as he was led to the sheriff's office late Monday afternoon. Fifteen feet away, friends and family of Miss Culberson clapped, hooted and cheered, convinced he is responsible for her seven-month absence.

Mr. Doan, 24, of Blanchester - clean-shaven and with close-cropped hair - refused to answer questions about the charges or where he had been this past weekend.

But at a hearing an hour later before Common Pleas Judge William McCracken, Mr. Doan pleaded ''not guilty'' to the four kidnapping charges. Bond was set at $100,000 cash or surety. A pre-trial hearing is to be April 18.

John Rion, Mr. Doan's lawyer, did not explain why his client failed to turn himself in when an arrest warrant was issued Friday.

''They don't have to file charges on Friday, so someone has to sit in jail all weekend,'' he said.

Since Friday, sheriff's deputies, as well as police in Wilmington and Blanchester, had been told to arrest Mr. Doan if he was spotted. Mr. Rion said all he would be accompanying his client to the sheriff's office Monday.

The warrant was issued after a Clinton County grand jury handed up a four-count indictment, alleging he kidnapped Ms. Culberson Aug. 29.

If convicted as charged, Mr. Doan could face a maximum of 40 years - 10 years on each of the four charges.

Carrie Culberson

Ms. Culberson, 23, was last seen late Aug. 28 in front of her Blanchester home. Authorities say a friend dropped her off after a volleyball game. A short time later, a neighbor saw her red Honda CRX moving down the street. Neither has been seen since.

A local bondsman said early Monday night that he was working with Mr. Doan and his family to post the $100,000 bond. Mr. Doan was expected to spend the night in jail, said Kevin Walker, who runs Walker Bail Bonds next to the courthouse in downtown Wilmington.

After the hearing, Debra Culberson, Miss Culberson's mother, said the bond was too low. She also was upset Mr. Doan could be released today. ''What's wrong with him sitting in jail? He's taken away from us,'' Mrs. Culberson said. ''Where's Carrie's rights? Where's our right to be with our daughter.''

Because the investigation - including the search for Miss Culberson - continues, County Prosecutor William Peelle refused to comment about the case.

Mr. Rion said Mr. Doan is just as interested in finding Ms. Culberson, and has even hired a private detective to help find her.

For the naysayers who didn't believe that Vincent was on the run!!

katkidd

06-18-2004, 03:13 PM

Where did you find that info at? Just curious!

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 03:23 PM

It was Tracey Baker who ran from the cops. It wasnt Vince. Tracey went on the run with Shannon Hodson and then got caught. He's like OJ though... he just got scared and ran.

findcarrie

06-18-2004, 03:25 PM

Sorry I forgot the article to back up this statement.

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan092397.html

katkidd

06-18-2004, 03:30 PM

Find Carrie,

You have such a big heart. What you are doing for this family is so kind of you. You are doing a great job and I love the fact that you keep findcarrie.com up to date. I never knew Carrie, but something has always kept me wondering about her and her family. You are a blessing from God the creator of us all.

P.S. Keep up all the wonderful work you are doing.

Char

06-18-2004, 03:41 PM

I guess Tracey BAker wouldn't threaten or intimidate witnesses would he?

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/09/25/loc_doan.html

*SNIP* Mr. Baker allegedly tried to coerce a witness moments before the witness testified Sept. 15 to a grand jury that indicted him, and ran from police and tried to scale a fence when confronted Monday in Florence, said Rick Moyer, an assistant prosecutor with Clinton County.

There also have been threats against witnesses from Mr. Baker and his relatives, Mr. Moyer said.

''We have sworn testimony that (Tracey Baker) said no man, woman or child is safe because of the conviction of his brother in this case.

''When Tracey Baker realized he couldn't influence a witness, he left town, and when he saw police, he ran,'' Mr. Moyer said. *SNIP*

Char

06-18-2004, 03:53 PM

Why do you feel the need to continuously degrade the Culberson name? You have already said Carrie is a victim by someone else, why are you still degrading the family name and making comments that Carrie was a whore? What will that accomplish? Apparently you find it amusing. Others do not. Me included. Jesus said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I am so glad that you decided to step up and do that. Now folks outside of Blanchester, OH can see how truly crass and cruel you are. You can't shut all of us up. You can't threaten and intimidate all of us. YOU can't be happy doing this on a daily basis.

How sad and shallow your lives must be. BTW, how often do you folks visit Vincey and Tracey in jail? Print out these postings from here, CTV Missing Thread and show them how much they are loved and how your reacting and responding. Answer me that please. Thank you.

Amraann

06-18-2004, 07:42 PM

After reading much of this thread and both websites and guestbook...
I have to ask why the anomosity towards Jill and Carrie's mother??
If the goal is ultimate justice.... of course many would and rightfully should believe that justice has been served in that 12 jurors found both men guilty of the murder or acompliss after the fact of Carrie.
But I see many on all for boards ..here and the 3 aboved mentioned....
address the issue as though Carrie, Jill and her mother deserve anomosity.
IMO whatever occurred... Carrie was killed, her mother ..regardless of their relationship must feel the trauma of that and Jill just trying to help find her or sadly her remains.

I am gleaming from what I read at other sites that there exists this anomosity from the Vince innocent group..
Why would that be??
Most people will and do trust the US judicial system although it does have its flaws.
Innocent people do go to prison..... However In whatever sceneario either it be Vincent and Tracey are innocent and wrongly convicted or they are in fact guilty... in no way does that lesson the death of Carrie or her family.
In neither scenario does it call for attack upon those who morn and miss her..
I've read her mother parties on a Saturday night???
Good for her!!! After what she has been through... she deserves a night out.
Furthermore ...she may go to church on Sunday morning...
SOOO??? to drink is not against most religions..
To pray for her child every Sunday???
I just see nothing wrong with this........

From the little I have read... I feel bad for both families..
Very few could live up to the scrutiny of a microscope over our past decisions..
Most do not live day to day wondering how it will look if a tragedy happens...
We just live doing the best we can in that moment.
That all being said ...I wish to add... that it is understandable that the culbersons feel anomositytowards those who have been found guilty in a court of law of the murder of Carrie...
However the same rule does not apply to the convicted's family...
You see although the system may be flawed at this point in time legallsy the convicted are guilty. For people to assume as such is not wrong.
It is wrong however to attack the victim ...or her family...
They may believe vince and tracy are guilty because a DA accused and a court found it to be fact.....
Even if that ultimately is a mistake it in no way should subject Carrie or her family to accusation by those who disagree.
To be murdered does not mean one must be perfect..Nor her parents nor those who defend her.....
But the less the perfection in no way diminishes the need for justice to be served. As justice is not ultimatley served for the victim or their family but to greater protect the people as a whole from further crimes.
I feel that for those to defend Vince or Tracy... right wrong or otherwise...
is not served by attacking the victim or her family. or those who believe in what the local police, DA or 24 jurors found to be.

tuppence

06-18-2004, 08:09 PM

very well said!!

WasBlind

06-18-2004, 09:46 PM

froggy, you said "I would also like to clarify that I did not mean to attack Carrie but to say that she was a victim of her own bad decisions, along with some other horrible action."

Her decisions were on the upswing, she was trying to rid herself of this pestilence. Please do not make it out to be that her free will was the reason she died. Her free will made her leave this jerk and report him for the crimes against her. Abused persons do not get help without a support system, period. She had one, a darn good one, or else she would not have even had those pictures made. She was trying to start anew. A life free of pain and free of covert and blatant abuse.

You nullified the first part of your sentence with the second part, can't you see that? "I did not mean to attack Carrie", and you also said "she was a victim of her own bad decisions"

The ONLY person(s) responsible for the abduction and/or murder of a victim is the sick bastard(s) that took and/or harmed them.

Capice? And YES, I read your whole post. Does not make sense to me.

Again, thank you for your comments.

nicnak

06-20-2004, 04:19 PM

I am only wondering if lori baker and her sister still live in Blanchester and what has life been like for them since the trial and did Vincent have any children I did see where tacy had children but I dont remeber seeing rather vince did

findcarrie

06-20-2004, 07:10 PM

Lori and Vicki still live in Blanchester. Vince didnt have any children.

LP Moderator

06-21-2004, 11:06 AM

This thread is either going to get back on track and the attacks will stop, or I'm going to close the thread and time out those who keep up the personal attacks.

Char

06-21-2004, 11:07 AM

Good Morning Everyone. First off I would like to say God Bless everyone especially Carrie Culberson. Second of all, I would like to say thank you to LP Moderator and FindCarrie for their excellent work in being positive for Carrie and her family in the fact that their are DoanBakerClones posting here. LP< thank you for keeping this site clean and the fact that it's free from threats and intimidation from that clan of abusers.

Thanks again for also cleaning out the trash!!

WE appreciate it.

In Memory of Carrie.

LP Moderator

06-21-2004, 11:55 AM

:clap: I just wanted to say thank you to the vincentdoanclones that have finally succeeded in getting another place closed on CTV for Carrie Culberson supporters. They have in turn created names and new names for themselves gone on to the Missing Persons/FindCarrie Culberson thread and started calling names and swearing and all sorts of stuff. CW has had to shut it down because of it. YOU folks can't shut down this thread or FindCarrie's, nor my mouth supporting her and her family.

We shall continue to discuss and support Carrie and pray and fight to keep Vincent Doan behind bars. I for one hope when Tracey gets out that he slips up and leads the police to Carrie's body.

Thanks again LP for keeping this clean.

Char, I'll be happy to keep it clean, but I won't let it be used as a tool for either side to use as a message board for personal fights. If you want to talk about the case, please do so, but you're going to have to leave the fighting at the door.

Char

06-21-2004, 12:13 PM

Char, I'll be happy to keep it clean, but I won't let it be used as a tool for either side to use as a message board for personal fights. If you want to talk about the case, please do so, but you're going to have to leave the fighting at the door.

Thanks!! I deleted my post.

nanandjim

06-21-2004, 02:15 PM

I was saying to put yourself in the shoes of the convicted.
Put yourself in the shoes of the victim and victim's family.

In my opinion, no one is truly guilty unless they have hard evidence.
That's what Vince and his clan thought too. I'm just glad to see that the murderer and some of his accomplices were held accountable.

I guess I would not make a great jury person; I would probably make a better defense attorney.
From your posts, I don't think that you are remotely qualified to be a defense attorney. I do however think that you are a defense attorney's dream juror.

In my opinion, Vince murdered Carrie. His family members helped him dispose of the body, car and all evidence. Vince is where he should be. Tracey should have gotten a longer sentence, and his father should have been convicted for his role in the coverup.

It is ludicrous to think that Carrie's family and friends would find comfort in convicting the wrong person of her murder.

I think Vince's supporters need to stock up on stationery and stamps because Vince is never getting out of prison. I just hope that he is suffering as much as he made Carrie suffer during her last moments.

Char

06-21-2004, 02:27 PM

nanandjim

06-21-2004, 02:30 PM

LP Moderator

06-21-2004, 02:31 PM

Just a quick question for anyone to answer. How many appeals does Mr. Doan get to try to get a new trial? I know he used one up. I for one hopes he does not have 9 lives since Carrie only had 1.

I am still awaiting answers on my questions about Vince's drug use, his history of violence and the offchance that he will step up and take responsibility for his actions.

I haven't studied the case, but he should have two federal court appeals - one for trial court errors and one for the writ. If they can show any new evidence, that would be the time. Of course, if he loses both of those, they can try to take it further, but I would assume unless something is horribly, horribly wrong (and if that was the case, the lower courts' rulings would give us a clue), the higher courts will refuse to hear the case.

findcarrie

06-21-2004, 03:44 PM

Char

06-21-2004, 04:07 PM

Vincent Doan has one appeal left. I can tell you what i know about the case but if I dont have an article to back up that allegation, I will be accused of something else. So I cant answer that about the drugs or past abusive relationships. There was a prior charge against him for allegly shooting his friend in the face for having an affair with his girlfriend. The charges were reduced and he got of jail. :bang:

Good afternoon Findcarrie. I have had this discussion with you previously. I was waiting to try and talk to the "other side" to see if we could have a rational question and answer period on this issue. They have yet to respond. I have also linked them to information that you helped me with last week. They have yet to respond to ANY of my questions. They were asked here and on CTV which by the way was finally unlocked this afternoon.

Thanks for all your help folks. I appreciate it.

Char

06-21-2004, 04:18 PM

:banghead: I am again waiting for an explanation and/or answer from the Doan/Baker Family on questions that were raised here and elsewhere. They are going back and forth between websites and not answering anything but misconstruing what was asked by posters here and on CTV. Just remember, two wrongs don't make a right and LP Moderator has made an effort to clean up the "trash" from both sides. I am requesting you come here, answer questions, and then report ACCURATELY to your website what was ACTUALLY said here and on other forums. I for one would appreciate any insight that you could/would give. YOU seem think we were slamming Vince's mom when in fact we weren't. Those threads are still here "asking" about her and Vince's history, not accusing and pointing the finger like you were about Mrs. Culberson. Fair is only fair. YOu can only whine and play victim for so long when Findcarrie, Mrs. Culberson and others here have asked you again to talk and answer civil questions. I guess you don't want to either? Too bad for your part.

LP Moderator

06-21-2004, 04:34 PM

Do keep in mind that two of the supporters have been banned here for violating the TOS, so those two cannot respond. However, they both have my email address and I'd be happy to relay any informative email that they may wish for me to post here on their behalf. I won't have them here so that they can simply say horrible things about the family of this girl or about her activities before her murder. Anyway, I know they all read here constantly, so contact me if you have information you want posted about the case.

LP Moderator

06-21-2004, 04:40 PM

I can't remember which one it was, but I never got a response after the notification of the termination email to them. If they could have offered an explanation for their behavior or an apology, I might have given them a second chance. I don't like terminating memberships here and it would have been nice to have their side of the story presented. However, I won't offer a soap box for either party. There must be a give and take discussion, not speeches.

coopkid

06-21-2004, 07:33 PM

:mad: It's been nearly two months since they began digging at Jarrod Messer's . How long could sifting through two buckets of dirt possibly take? Is everyone down at forensics on vacation?

basic2871

06-22-2004, 12:44 AM

Just a quick question for anyone to answer. How many appeals does Mr. Doan get to try to get a new trial? I know he used one up. I for one hopes he does not have 9 lives since Carrie only had 1.

I am still awaiting answers on my questions about Vince's drug use, his history of violence and the offchance that he will step up and take responsibility for his actions.
In respo"questions" you say no one will answer, I believe I read the answers to all of the questions that have been asked, but the replies were conveniently erased along with alot of other responses.
NO VINCENT DID NOT DO DRUGS
NO VINCENTS MOM WAS NOT ABUSED
NO VINCENTS MOM DID NOT DO DRUGS
NO VINCENTS MOM DOES NOT GO TO BARS, SHE DOES NOT DRINK
NO VINCENT WAS NOT ABUSED AS A CHILD.

I'm sure this is not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.

Char

06-22-2004, 09:13 AM

In respo"questions" you say no one will answer, I believe I read the answers to all of the questions that have been asked, but the replies were conveniently erased along with alot of other responses.
NO VINCENT DID NOT DO DRUGS
NO VINCENTS MOM WAS NOT ABUSED
NO VINCENTS MOM DID NOT DO DRUGS
NO VINCENTS MOM DOES NOT GO TO BARS, SHE DOES NOT DRINK
NO VINCENT WAS NOT ABUSED AS A CHILD.

I'm sure this is not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.

Sorry, until I "see" differently myself from the original poster that posted it I will not believe what you have said. As an FYI< LP Moderator does not conveniently delete anything unless it was baiting, intimidation and harrassment. So until I see the above questions of mine answered by the offending poster, I shall ignore what you have to say. Thanks for the try though.

LP Moderator

06-22-2004, 10:45 AM

I'm at a loss to try and figure out why the supporters of this man have any reason to think that anyone here is afraid of the "truth." We have no personal stake in this case and if its true that he's innocent, why does anyone think that it would bother us? We're here to discover and learn about cases of interest. So, please, please, please, get off the "you're scared of the truth" b.s. bandwagon and just talk about the case.

tybee204

06-22-2004, 11:34 AM

I would be very interested in hearing actual evidense that could be presented in Court to overturn this conviction. Dueling families on forums and message boards will not make a lick of difference in a Court of Law.
Any successful appeal would require meeting a hugh challange.

Im not interested in who is using drugs or partying at a local tavern on Saturday night. Who goes to church or slept with who .

What clear and consise evidense, if any, does the Attorney's of the convicted murderers have, that would come close to meeting such a hugh challange as to throw out the verdict of 12 jurors?

LP Moderator

06-22-2004, 11:44 AM

Tybee, good question. Unfortunately, they will not be answering any questions. I've posted part of a post from their "official" website:

Afternoon all,I have a request and its totally up to each individual.I know I said I was boycotting the "other sites" but you know that darn curiousoity that us humans have to deal with got the better of me.I read the websleuths post's today and my request is this ,do not answer their questions,they are baiting us.It does not matter nor is it revelant the questions they are asking about family matters ,was Priscilla abused ,did someone do drugs ,did Lawrence go to church with his fly open -who the flip cares ,it does not matter in this case .They are a bunch of curiousoity seeking misfits who thinks this all matters when in fact it matters the least.We have too many "victims" already ,why do they want to encourage others to be one also.NO ONE NEEDS TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT IS CHANGELLED BY THOSE PEOPLE

It seems that we've discovered just whose "afraid of the truth."

Char

06-22-2004, 01:43 PM

That the Doan/Baker clan would actually get together with findcarrie and a few others and get a good moderator that was fair (LP) and actually go piece by piece information that was used to convict Vincent Doan leaving the personal crap out and actually debate the information. I think that they would see that NOT the whole town of Blanchester, the state Court of Appeals and now the high court is against the DoanBaker Clan. They should realize that they can't harrass, initimidate or threaten the high courts who disagreed with them and went with the evidence. I think if they took their blinders off they would actually see that Carrie was a victim of this thing and not Vincent. IF they didn't have the chip on their shoulders they would see that the anger directed toward Vincent was anger of what he did and that Carrie was the victim that didn't ask to be murdered. Carrie was someone's daughter, someone's sister/cousin. I for one don't see how you can take away the emotion from it.

findcarrie

06-22-2004, 02:21 PM

Here is yet another discrepency that I am going to clarify for this board. Carrie Culberson's bank account was never active any more after August 29, 1996. She had made a transaction a few days before to pay a car payment and it overdrew the account by about $13 dollars if I remember correctly. It could be off two or three dollars. The bank account did not have any money in like they are trying to tell you that it did. Those records were shown to the jurors during the trial. She has no paper trail of this alleged $3,000 dollars that Vincent Doan supposidly gave her.

He also went in to work on August 29th at 7:00 a.m. and clocked out 30 mins later and did not return. Phone records show that he called the salon where Carrie Culberson worked at around 11:30 a.m. when he asked to speak to her and said he was on his lunch break - she was also missing. He was not at work on this day but for 30 mins. This also goes with the testimony of Deseree Grueber who was Carrie's boss at the salon - she testified to this.
Vincent Doan also told Lori Baker that he was on his lunch hour when she saw him in town in the car he wanted to exchange with her later on August 29, 1996 because somebody was coming to "look" at the vehicle and he wanted to clean it up. Somebody testified from the junkyard where he was employed that he wasnt there but 30 mins on the 29th. That statment is untruthful. NO items were ever given back to the family from the CRX because it has never been found. That includes a car tag.

Thank you

tybee204

06-22-2004, 02:38 PM

Char,
I dont understand the need nor the purpose of the Victims Family debating facts with Family of the Convicted. The only facts relavent are those presented in Court. The facts presented justified the Conviction of both suspects according to a jury of 12. To date that conviction stands. Nothing is a fact untill presented and argued as evidense.

If the Convicted Murderers Attorney's have evidense that exonerates those convicted then lets see it. The Court apparantly saw none as to date the appeals have been denied. And those convicted rightly remain in prison.

Unless or untill something is argued that exonerates the Convicted Murderers in the eyes of the Court, then that is exactly where they are gonna sit regardless of who argues what on a internet guestbook. Carries family appears confident that the right people are in prison and the DA got a good conviction. The facts have already been argued in a Court of Law. To continue dialog with the family of the convicted muderers just gives them a podium to continuosly defame the VICTIMS charactor.
My advice is to shine them on and focus your energies on providing information and education so other young women may avoid this trap of abuse and not befall Carrie's fate.

Char

06-22-2004, 02:46 PM

Char,
I dont understand the need nor the purpose of the Victims Family debating facts with Family of the Convicted. The only facts relavent are those presented in Court. The facts presented justified the Conviction of both suspects according to a jury of 12. To date that conviction stands. Nothing is a fact untill presented and argued as evidense. My advice is to shine them on and focus your energies on providing information and education so other young women may avoid this trap of abuse and not befall Carrie's fate.

Hi Ty, I understand what your saying but again I believe if something was overlooked and I am to pigheaded to see the difference I would like to try to understand why they feel the way they do. I can't change their name calling or the way they look at Carrie and Ms. Culberson, but I can change the way I respond to them and I am doing that. Giving them the chance to explain their way of thinking. If I get slammed for it, that's my bad. That is the difference between me and them. I show compassion like Carrie did, her mother did and like FindCarrie was doing. If they choose to ignore that and go back to their ways it only steels my resolve to support Carrie and Ms. Culberson and findcarrie. On the other hand I am already an advocate at a woman's shelter here in NY and I was previously a victim of psychological abuse so I know the pitfalls and help others daily. Thanks for the suggestions though I appreciate it.

tybee204

06-22-2004, 03:12 PM

Char that is wonderful you work in a womens shelter. That is a worthy cause to be sure. I guess for me being on the outside looking in, giving them a podium to shout ugly rumors about the muder victim is the same as giving the convicted murderer a podium. They speak for him. He had his podium in a Court of Law and was found guilty as charged by a jury of 12. To allow him and those that represent him to continue to violate this young woman and her family is discusting to me. He will not get a new trial by slandering the vicim, victims family or trial witness's. Its going to take clear and distinct evidence of which they apparantly have none or that would be what is plastered on there website rather then rumors , gossip and slander.

Char

06-22-2004, 03:15 PM

Char

06-22-2004, 03:48 PM

about starting a fair, having a run or a walk or a fair or a day or an activity celebrating Carrie's life and what she stood for. Maybe a fair regarding domestic abuse and the sources available to help. Jill, would this be something that Ms. Culberson would be in favor of doing? I for one know and feel that she is in a better place but let me know if this suggestion would be in good taste. Have a craft fair and sell angels that would benefit a domestic abuse shelter or something in Carrie's name. Set up a scholarship for her in her memory. This would be a great thing to do so NOONE would ever forget Carrie and her family and what happened to her at the hands of a monster.

Let me know your input Carrie Supporters!!

sosorry

06-23-2004, 09:10 AM

I need to chat with someone about this info I have.

Char

06-23-2004, 10:21 AM

I need to chat with someone about this info I have.

Baker or Doan?? Or a loyal supporter of them? Let loose with your information so we can read about it here and there. I hope for your sake your not playing with Carrie's memory or her family.

LP Moderator

06-23-2004, 11:24 AM

I need to chat with someone about this info I have.

You can send me a PM here or an email to dewpea@yahoo.com

katkidd

06-23-2004, 11:53 AM

I think some people are getting a little tired of all the lies they are putting on that site.

Has anyone heard about the soil samples? Have they came back yet?

coopkid

06-23-2004, 08:37 PM

what happened to this thread? Some of the replies (none of them were nasty/angry/etc.) that I read on here this morning (they were posted last night, I believe) are gone. What's up with that?

coopkid

06-23-2004, 08:43 PM

:doh: Never mind. I'm getting forums mixed up.

tybee204

06-24-2004, 07:56 PM

Ok just because Im laughing so hard and cant resist posting. The Supporters of Convicted Murderer Vincent Doan have decided on there guestbook that I am somehow connected to this case. LOL if I am a missing piece to your puzzle you best stick with puzzles labled Fisher Price. Making rediculous statements such as that on your Guestbooks totally amplifies your ignorance. With people such as yourself heading the Innocent Train , Convicted Murderer Doan better hunker down for the long haul. Like the rest of his life.

But hey thanks for callin me a "babe" !!! :dance:
Goo-Goo mam-maw, see
how big I'm getting? Does that translate into pass the taters in hickville?

findcarrie

06-25-2004, 08:42 AM

Tybee:

LOL you are the one who is responsible for all the trouble that is started and you are the one who has created the website for Carrie because you were her best friend. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We've made up a conspiracy havent we? LOL

AN FYI folks... the gal they are talking about who lives in GA, visited GA a few times. Her name is Cicely and she continues to reside in Ohio. On behalf of the allegations that I have been hoarding an idea to sell angels holding daisies to give Debbie Culberson $$$, well that is untrue too. I found a total of 4 of those. They were dispursed to that many people and no charge happened for these. Refer back to the statement that the shop was closing and I found them (by chance). We dont do anything to give Debbie Culberson money. We dont have to. She won from a civil suit, remember?

Continue to say what you will, about whomever you want. The fact still remains, you are making yourselves look very stupid and you are causing the community to think Vince is from questionable character, aside from the guilt factor.

You would do anything to hurt a family who cannot find their daughter. And for that, you are a sick individual. You wouldnt think this way if it was your child.

Lets all remember Carrie Culberson and her memory on Monday afternoon @ 7 p.m. May she rest in peace, where ever she may be.

findcarrie

06-28-2004, 07:55 PM

Tonight at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, in Blanchester, Ohio they will be having the memorial dedication for Carrie Culberson who disappeared without a trace on Wednesday, August 28, 1996. Everyone who follows this case, please keep her in your thoughts tonight. Her family does not have Carrie back for a proper burial that she deserves. Please remember her and perhaps say a small prayer that the family is allowed to find her and the not knowing can end.

Here is an article pertaining to her story tonight.

http://www.whiotv.com/news/3467839/detail.html

katkidd

06-29-2004, 09:38 AM

Hi all,

I went to the memorial last night, and it was one of the saddest things I have encountered. Debbie and her family are so strong though. To watch Debbie and Christina unveil the statue was so sad, but at the same time until they find Carrie they will now have a place to mourn for her. God Bless all!

findcarrie

06-29-2004, 11:35 AM

The dedication for Carrie was last night as you all know. Here an article for you all to read.

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/06/28/culberson.html

basic2871

06-29-2004, 11:45 AM

The news article that was listed by "find carrie" has the wrong information. Blanchester is in CLINTON county, not Brown county. Someone should make the correction, unless the barn search site in Brown county is going to be a "memorial" to.

katkidd

06-29-2004, 11:52 AM

Basci 2871,

I think you need to reread the article, it says Clinton county. The pole barn they searched was in Brown county.

findcarrie

06-29-2004, 02:42 PM

The article was on the news. I'm sorry if they find it necessary to try to make me look like I'm a liar. Seems that majority of the world knows the score. Do like the rest of us have done. Ignore it - it's ignorant and it almost makes you feel bad that this is all they have to say about people.

katkidd

06-29-2004, 03:01 PM

It just makes me ill, because I live in the same town as these people. I promise America, not everyone in Blanchester is as ignorant and closed minded as these people are. God Bless to all!

basic2871

06-29-2004, 05:19 PM

Basci 2871,

I think you need to reread the article, it says Clinton county. The pole barn they searched was in Brown county.

I believe you are the one who needs to REREAD the article..... The headline says.....BROWN COUNTY TO DEDICATE MEMORIAL ..... By the way, the name is basic2871 :doh:

katkidd

06-29-2004, 05:44 PM

I believe you are the one who needs to REREAD the article..... The headline says.....BROWN COUNTY TO DEDICATE MEMORIAL ..... By the way, the name is basic2871 :doh:

Why so nasty? I wasn't getting rude BASIC2871. I did not know you were talking about the headline, I thought you were talking about the article it self. Why is there so much hate in this world? God Bless!

basic2871

06-29-2004, 08:13 PM

katkidd.....my intentions were never to be "nasty", nor am I ignorant,as find carrie seems to think, I can read, and so can you all, I presume. Imagine.....the news media has printed "false" or "wrong" information. I guess anyone can make a mistake.

findcarrie

06-29-2004, 08:13 PM

katkidd

06-30-2004, 12:20 PM

Are you upset that the news people perhaps made an error reporting or are you upset that attention has been brought back to you once again and how you behave? Is that all you have to come at us with? Or will you just wait till the middle of the night and pull some coward prank? It cant ever be face to face. It's always got to be something to undermine everybody. :clap:

Seems that you know where to lay your eggs. Or maybe your eggs have already dried up and died?

Hi FindCarrie,

I was just curious if they have any clue when the soil samples are going to be back? I know you are probably tired of people asking, that is why I thought a time frame may be better to give.

P.S. By the way I don't think the Vince supporters like me very well now. They had a fit on me over on Vince's dream book. Oh well I guess the truth hurts. I tried to respond to them on their dreambook, but they wont put it up, but the still put up things so derogative that it would make anyone who reads it ill.

LP Moderator

06-30-2004, 12:31 PM

I understand that if you read over there, you're going to want to respond. However, let me gently remind you all that Websleuths is a discussion forum and not a place to "take things" out on people who may post on another forum. As hard as it is to do, we're going to need you all to just talk about the case and not each other.
Thanks!!

katkidd

06-30-2004, 12:51 PM

findcarrie

06-30-2004, 02:45 PM

There isnt anything to report yet about the soil samples. I suppose no news is good news. And I agree with LP - we need to keep this forum for new only :-)

katkidd

07-01-2004, 10:28 AM

There isnt anything to report yet about the soil samples. I suppose no news is good news. And I agree with LP - we need to keep this forum for new only :-)

Thanks and I know you will keep us informed about any new news.

God Bless!

Char

07-01-2004, 01:49 PM

You know as I have been sitting here and reading the different threads on CTV and here, I was wondering about the "innocent soliders" whose lives have been lost due to the war over in Iraq. It made me think "What If" people convicted of someone's murder i.e., Vincent Doan who are serving LWOP and the others on Death Row be made to serve and/or volunteer to serve on the front line in place of the "innocents" who have not been convicted of committing a crime or murder. If these folks want to kill so much and beat folks up and dispose of their bodies, why couldn't we send them over there? It seems like if they want that certain type of lifestyle and like the violence let them kill the enemy. I know it's far fetched but the fact that these folks are sitting over here safe and sound while others are dying really steams me. (Sorry Jill and Carrie, but this is a suggestion that I came up with.)

Findcarrie and LP Moderator, I don't mean to take away from Carrie's memory, but something has to be done. I for still continue to write Vincent and Tracey boy to get them to try and come forward with the truth. From what I have heard Debbie has made every effort to find out from Vincent what happened, regardless how it happened and where her body is buried, But to no avail. I shall continue to lobby for that monster to stay in jail and will continue to support the search for Carrie, her mother and her family. As for the other side who chooses not to answer any questions, I hope for your sake that your praying to God for forgiveness for Vince and Tracey for what they did to Carrie.

coopkid

07-01-2004, 11:57 PM

[QUOTE=Char]You know as I have been sitting here and reading the different threads on CTV and here, I was wondering about the "innocent soliders" whose lives have been lost due to the war over in Iraq. It made me think "What If" people convicted of someone's murder i.e., Vincent Doan who are serving LWOP and the others on Death Row be made to serve and/or volunteer to serve on the front line in place of the "innocents" who have not been convicted of committing a crime or murder. If these folks want to kill so much and beat folks up and dispose of their bodies, why couldn't we send them over there? It seems like if they want that certain type of lifestyle and like the violence let them kill the enemy. I know it's far fetched but the fact that these folks are sitting over here safe and sound while others are dying really steams me. /

I understand how you feel. Unfortunately, it's not a good solution. That was one of the big problems with Vietnam. Today we know that voluntary, professional service members make for a much better military. If anything, qualifications to serve in the military should become more stringent than they are. Having served in the Air Force, I can tell you that I want only the elite on my team........and most of them are (the elite).

findcarrie

07-07-2004, 03:29 PM

I do not have an article to support this statement however, if you call the investigator in charge, I'm sure you can verify this.

The soil samples are not back in yet. When they do become available, it is highly unlikely that Carrie's family will be allowed to know the results and here is why. There are other search efforts that are not being released to the public or family in regards to Carrie. Releasing the findings may hamper the current investigation. This means that it could probably be an indefinite amout of time before anything is released about the possibility of Carrie being in that soil.

Many of us feel that the last search was much more fruitful than the others that they've had before. We continue to wait patiently hoping that authorities will release where they are searching and what they find. Just wanted to update those of you who are following Carrie's story.

snorky

07-07-2004, 05:28 PM

Thank you for the update FindCarrie.

Char

07-08-2004, 02:35 PM

:woohoo: Everyone!!. Just wanted to let everyone know I just mailed 125 cards to Vincent from my local Church here asking him to come forth with information regarding Carrie!! The group has also started a prayer group for Carrie and for her family too.

Hope all is well with everyone!!

findcarrie

07-09-2004, 11:36 AM

Char,

Thank-you for starting a prayer group for Carrie.

Let's not try to add any more fuel to the fire already burning in hatred for us by sending Vincent Doan any kind of correspondence, ok? We need to keep ourselves focused on finding Carrie and I can tell you that you will not get any information from him. Aggrivating him and his friends will not do anything but cause more trouble and that is not going to accomplish anything (trust me). :eek:

trueth

07-09-2004, 09:16 PM

In all the greatest respect,
I think both sides of this situation are wrong. People are entitled to thier oppions, but you have to take others' feelings into consideration. Both websites and other comunications between each side are rude and hateful. Maybe he did do it, and maybe not. We may never know. I know that the jurors on "missing" conterdict themselves saying they knew he and his family was lying and he did it, but then say there wasn't enough evidence to kill him. It is in the a constitutial right to be prooved guilty and I think it was wrong. He shouldn't have been brought to trial until they were ready. There is no statue of limitation on murder so he could be tried when there was something to go on....body...murder weapon. The Bakers may do wrong things, but they either admit to it, or lie (if it only hurts them and not any of thier friends or family. If he didn't admit before the others got drug down then he won't. (if he did it or not) next post carrie's side

trueth

07-09-2004, 09:50 PM

continued...there were 2 stories. 1 that he never hit her and 1 that he only hit her once for spitting on him. She was abused by him. Everyone knows it and has seen the photos. She may have caused it(or not), but he did hit her. Why did she take it? she was pretty (and popular in school) and could have been with anyone. why him? I wonder what really happened. I used to believe she ran off, but thought she tell her family in a couple months. I wasn't like her. I hate the slutty reputation she is getting. She wasn't one. I wish people would stop. I wish we'detthe trueth out there. Iwish we could tell what screts there are. Someone knows. It may evenbe somewhere they overlooked. Search and Find Carrie.

sosorry

07-11-2004, 10:51 PM

I am sosorry to hear that they never found no dna at the barn site.
to my knowledge they wont find much if anything there as in dna.
they r looking at the wrong place.
question? where do you find things that are missing?
Vince isnt innocent but he never killed or murdered carrie,
the wrong man is getting out soon.
did the police look for the car in mich. where tracy took it,inside his semi?
I lived in blanchester and in that town no one is innocent. to much drama!!!!!!!!!!!
it is pretty bad when everyone argues about who did what.
lets all argue about whom did no one see move the body in the first place.lets get mad at all the (Editted by AMRA )and look between the lines more.

findcarrie

07-12-2004, 07:34 AM

I believe this board stated plainly that we did not want to discuss anything pertaining to feelings, emotions, visions, or anything that is not pertaining to news in this case. LP can you please do something with this individual? If you have any information you need to let be known about the case, you should call the Clinton County Police Dept. I feel as if they can better assist you with the ever so important information that should never never be trusted with those of us who are looking for Carrie according to those who support Vincent Doan.

Soil samples are not complete yet. Those could take more than two more months to have results on. Please contact the Clinton County prosecutors office for more in depth information or if you think I'm posting incorrect information.

In the mean time, stay off this board aggrivating people.

sosorry

07-12-2004, 08:44 AM

I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT VINCE IS GETTING A NEW TRIAL.
WHAT YOU THINK OF THAT?
:clap:

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 10:05 AM

Thanks for the info SoSorry. Where can we read about the new trial?

tybee204

07-12-2004, 10:07 AM

sosorry,

Do you have a newlink to verify that a new trial has been granted?

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 10:14 AM

sosorry,

Do you have a newlink to verify that a new trial has been granted?

Darlin, it looks like you and I have exactly the same thought. Lots of people supporting prisoners "hear" a lot of things - don't make it so. :cool:

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 10:18 AM

This is the latest news article I found during a quick search - I may have missed something though:

Wednesday, March 01, 2000
Doan loses appeal

BY STEVE KEMME
The Cincinnati Enquirer
MIDDLETOWN — An appeals court has upheld the conviction of Vincent Doan for kidnapping and killing his girlfriend, Carrie Culberson.

In a case that attracted national attention, a Clinton County Common Pleas Court jury convicted Mr. Doan in 1997 of aggravated murder and was sentenced to life in prison.

Ms. Culberson, 22, of Blanchester, disappeared in August 1996, and Mr. Doan was the last person seen with her. Her body was never found.

Mr. Doan's attorneys contended that he deserved a new trial, saying common pleas court made 11 errors.

But all three 12th District Court of Appeals judges who reviewed the case ruled this week that Mr. Doan received a fair trial and that the evidence supported his conviction.

* * *

Mr. Doan's attorneys said they will appeal the ruling to the Ohio Supreme Court.

* * *

Ms. Culberson and Mr. Doan had a tempestuous relationship, according to several witnesses who testified in the trial. Mr. Doan beat her on several occasions, they said.

His brother, Tracy Baker, is serving an eight-year prison sentence for helping cover up the crime. He has appealed his conviction to the 12th District Court of Appeals, but the court hasn't ruled yet.

Lori Baker, who was living with her ex-husband, Tracy Baker, testified that Mr. Doan came to their house in the early morning hours of Aug. 29 covered with blood and wearing only a pair of jeans.

She said Mr. Doan and Mr. Baker left the house with garbage bags and a gun.

* * *

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/03/01/loc_doan_loses_appeal.html

sosorry

07-12-2004, 11:56 AM

I was informed that he was getting a new trial and I read the cinci. paper about all you wrote. He might and he might not. :eek: I was just stating that I read and was told he was. sorry if I affended anyone. :(
I am not for vince or carrie. :innocent: but only for justice and god bless. :angel:

sosorry

07-12-2004, 12:00 PM

read todays paper (cinci,ohio) online under doans new trial.
also I am close to info.and was TOLD by a very upstanding and reliable source. ok
I dont mean to take away or condone anything about this case.
Just state'n a fact!

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 12:09 PM

Here's one article I found from the Cincinnati Post:

Killer requests new trial
Lawyer: Doan's trial 'a circus'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
By Mike Rutledge
Post staff reporter

Vincent Doan, convicted of murdering Carrie Culberson of Blanchester in 1996, should receive a new trial because several parts of his trial were flawed, his attorney is arguing in federal court.
The 1997 trial was harmed by "saturation" media coverage beforehand and flawed jury instructions. Also, prosecutors failed to disclose key information to defense lawyers -- including that a witness had some of her memories enhanced through hypnosis -- Doan lawyer Kort Gatterdam argued.

"The media frenzy made the trial a circus," Gatterdam wrote in a 41-page motion filed last week in U.S. District Court in Cincinnati.

Doan is serving a sentence of life without parole at Mansfield Correctional Institution for aggravated murder and kidnapping. Culberson was 22 when she disappeared. Her body has never been found.

"I really don't hear anything new there, and I think that he's grasping at straws," Cincinnati lawyer Al Gerhardstein, who represents the Culberson family, said of Doan's filing.

Investigators this spring searched beneath the floor of a barn in Blanchester, but did not find remains.

"The state courts have rejected all his arguments, and wisely so," Gerhardstein said. Gatterdam, noting it took the jury four days to return a verdict, argued the jurors had specifically asked about a day and a half into its deliberations to rehear the instructions on evidence.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/07/10/doan071004.html

LET ME SEE WHAT ELSE I CAN FIND . . .

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 12:12 PM

So sorry - Sosorry. It appears that you misread the article. His attorneys are arguing in federal court why they THINK he should get a new trial. The federal court can take months and months and months before they render a verdict on the attorney's argument. However, since other courts of appeal have upheld the conviction, it doesn't look good for Vincent.

sosorry

07-12-2004, 01:08 PM

thanks for the info. I just hope that no matter what happens in this case we think about those in pain for any reason.(both families). god bless them.

Jeana (DP)

07-12-2004, 03:20 PM

thanks for the info. I just hope that no matter what happens in this case we think about those in pain for any reason.(both families). god bless them.

Yes, I agree. Regardless of what Vincent, his father and his brother did, there must be other family members who are law abiding and regret what their family members did to this poor girl and are continuing to do to her friends and family.

findcarrie

07-12-2004, 08:10 PM

Vince getting a new trial? NO... This is yet another example of the twisting and turning of statements of facts in a court of law.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/07/10/doan071004.html

BAD_BUTTERFLY

07-13-2004, 12:24 AM

Ghastly

You know what I want to know?!?!?!?
Why is it that if you are found inocent and they find you next to the dead body after words that they can't re-try you (double jeopardy)? But if you are found guilty you can get as many trials as 300 different judges in the state might be willing to give you? This is disguisting :mad:
Carrie's Mother and Sister I am sorry :(
I hope they have a wonderful support system to have to go through this again.

BUTTER

findcarrie

07-15-2004, 05:02 PM

Call For DNA Database Of Unidentified Remains

LAST UPDATE: 7/14/2004 6:55:06 PM

The mother of a missing local woman rode a bus to the nation's capital to push for a new law that could help find her daughter's remains.Carrie Culberson of Blanchester disappeared in 1996. Her body has never been found.
Right now there is no law requiring remains that are found be entered in a national database. Debbie Culberson says she believes the only hope for finding her daughter's remains is in Washington, D.C.
"I've been trying to get some kind of law mandating testing of remains," said Culberson.
In her daughter's case, there is evidence boyfriend Vince Doan killed then dismembered Carrie casting the parts into the Ohio River.
"She could be sitting on someone's shelf. Without testing I'll never know," said Culberson.
She spoke with Congressman Steve Chabot, R-Ohio. He is on the Judiciary Committee which has jurisdiction over federal criminal matters.
It won't be the first time this has been brought up. The Justice Department invited some of the finest forensic minds to talk about the same issue last fall.
The Justice Department recently approved more than 80 million dollars for DNA testing, but not DNA testing of remains. Congressman Chabot says that is overdue.
Investigators plan to contact police departments along the Ohio river to see if any unidentified remains have washed up that could be tested and compared with Carrie's DNA.

direct article link:

http://www.wkrc.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=F508A608-576B-4AA5-93C5-66DC6A307A8D

sosorry

07-16-2004, 12:39 AM

wow, that is some info you just told us. Thats very loving of Carries mother to do so much for others.I am sure it helps with her grieving too.
I pray that Carrie will be found, if only enough to account for her.( if you know what I mean).What makes them so sure shes in the Ohio river?
Is that source very reliable? How come now one says anything about
Tracy getting out soon? WWhats with talking about this case?
Can we not do it here? Or is this only for information?
:banghead:

snorky

07-16-2004, 04:12 PM

Whats with talking about this case? Can we not do it here? Or is this only for information?:banghead:
I think most of us have put ourselves on a time out due to the inappropriate posts earlier. This thread had become a major embarrassment and I think a lot of us are letting our emotions cool down a bit. I don't ignore this thread but do not want to inadvertantly incite someone or be disrepectful to Carrie and her family and those who have dedicated themselves to finding her.

RCOOKE

07-16-2004, 05:02 PM

I guess this is a case of the left hand not talking to the right hand. The US Justice department formed a federal task force last September to work on an initiative to put all DNA from missing persons and unidentified remains in CODIS or another national database. It's a logistics nightmare since unidentified remains are buried, stuck in lab cabinets, etc.

John Bish and I spoke to the task force last year. It contains some great forensic anthropologists and law enforcement representatives and they are still having regular meetings.

Here is the report I wrote on the initiative. rachelcookesearch.org/DNAmeeting (http://rachelcookesearch.org/DNAmeeting.html)

findcarrie

07-16-2004, 08:17 PM

Snorky -

There have been many inappropriate messages pertaining to Carrie and her case. We've made an educated decision that we keep this board strictly for things on task. I appreciate you continuing to look in on Carrie's thread. Mr. Cooke, thank-you for sharing this information about the DNA with us. This is type of information that is helpful to those of us searching for Ms. Culberson.
Thank you

nanandjim

07-17-2004, 11:32 AM

Vince was found to have murdered Carrie and sentenced to LWOP by a jury of his peers. So, the real murderer -- VINCE -- is where he should be. If I were a betting person - I would bet that Vince will NOT get a new trial. I have no vested interest one way or the other. I firmly believe that Vince is the murderer who thought that he was smart enough to get away with the crime. Well, he wasn't.

So sad that his relatives and friends (or at least some of them) can't or won't understand the tragedy of taking one's life. I doubt that Carrie's remains or her car will ever be found. I just hope and pray that Debra and her family can find some peace in this lifetime. If I were she, I would move far away from that town.

tybee204

07-17-2004, 12:42 PM

I totally agree with you Nan. I just find it repulsive that those that support this convicted murderer use the tactic of attacking the victim and the victims family in an attempt to deflect his accountability. I also agree that odd's of the convicted murderer recieving a new trial are scarce and the only benefit of it would be perhaps the next time around he would recieve the DP rather then LWOP.

nanandjim

07-17-2004, 05:19 PM

sosorry

07-20-2004, 10:11 AM

I am not anyone other than myself,No relation to any side.Dont care to be.
Not a friend or fo.I just want to say one thing.EDITTED BY AMRA FOR ATTACK
You all need to back up.I keep telling you to back up on info.yYou guys need to look at it all over again.Guess every one but me missed it. :banghead:

Jeana (DP)

07-20-2004, 11:44 AM

Sorry DP reply to attack had to be removed

tybee204

07-20-2004, 11:46 AM

sosorry,

Not agreeing does not make one a hypocrite. I read the case, I read the reports, IMO the right culprits are in prison. Im entitled to that opinion, the Jury came to that same conclusion. Discusting remarks about the victim and her family by supporters of the convicted is not going to sway that opinion. If for some reason the convict is granted a new trial then I will look at the evidence presented. I will not consider vile statements regarding a crime victim and her family posted on a Convicted Murderers Support Board to be evidence of anything.

nanandjim

07-20-2004, 12:14 PM

Jeana (DP)

07-20-2004, 12:41 PM

I think I was going to get sent to the parking lot. ;)

tybee204

07-20-2004, 12:43 PM

LOL me to. Shhhhhhh dont tell Doyle.

deputylinda

07-20-2004, 12:48 PM

i know nothing about this case, but having read the last 2 pages i'm going to have to go read the whole thread now!! unless someone wants to give it to me in a nutshell? you have intrigued me!

Jeana (DP)

07-20-2004, 01:05 PM

LOL me to. Shhhhhhh dont tell Doyle.

its a deal! :silenced:

snorky

07-20-2004, 01:27 PM

i know nothing about this case, but having read the last 2 pages i'm going to have to go read the whole thread now!! unless someone wants to give it to me in a nutshell? you have intrigued me!
DL- You should certainly read the entire thread. You will be amazed.

findcarrie

07-20-2004, 07:43 PM

Hello Everyone:

For those of you who have been following this board, and for those of you who have not. An edcuated decision was made to not respond to any more statements made that are ugly towards myself, Carrie Culberson (who is unable to defend her reputation), and that of her family. As you will note on a daily basis, we have a group of individuals who enjoy harassing anybody who tries to post on this board, court tv, or any place else. This is an ongoing problem that is being handled accordingly. If you are just joining and watching the information pertaining to Carrie and her disappearance and murder, I would like to remind you that all information regarding Carrie and the findings of a Clinton County Ohio Court are found on her website. We do not post any information that is not factual and found within court documents among other items. All statements found within are backed up with documentation. I ask once again that you all please not respond to the poster(s) using the typograhpical errors. Thanks again for your concern in Carrie's case. We are still working each day to locate her.

findcarrie

07-21-2004, 12:07 PM

I thought I would share this article with Carrie's viewers. This is an article about the young woman who moved into Vincent Doan's residence less than two weeks after Carrie Culberson disappeared. Once Vincent Doan was arrested, Ms Hodson began dating Tracey Baker (Vincent Doan's) half brother who was later charged with helping cover up the disappearance & alleged murder of Carrie Culberson. Ms. Hodson went on a cross country joy ride with Mr. Baker while he was alluding police.
Ms. Hodson was later charged in connection to the case. Please read this article below.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/12/18/loc_doan.html

nanandjim

07-22-2004, 10:37 AM

....
Ms. Hodson was later charged in connection to the case. ...
Was she ever convicted? If so, what was her sentence? Like father, like son, like stepson, like brother, like half-brother, like step-brother...:rolleyes:

trueth

07-22-2004, 10:39 AM

Char

07-22-2004, 10:59 AM

He didn't believe she was dead and had a little anger (other than wondering if she was dead or not and hoping since he loved her), but that if she was alive and knew he was charged for murder and set by and let it happen, he'd get out and kill her on the courthouse steps and couldn't be charged twice.

:mad: I have noticed that you also post on the other boards, what proof do you have to back up your statement? Were there any other "witnesses" that heard what you heard and who are they? Did the witnesses make a report as to what they heard? I guess folks will say whatever to cover up their true intentions and/or actions of what they did. Violence begets violence!!

sosorry

07-22-2004, 04:09 PM

Did the results of the clay come in yet? :eek:

sosorry

07-22-2004, 05:37 PM

I would like to know if Carries mother has ever looked up unidentified remains or the doe network for possible unidentified remains that could be Carries.No one knows if her remains (if so) are in ohio.So has she looked or checked out possible one that could be? :eek:

findcarrie

07-22-2004, 07:13 PM

SoSorry,

The DoeNetWork doesnt take people into their database until they've been missing 8 years or longer. Carrie will not be eligible for the database until after August 28, 2004of this year. As soon as that date passes, she will be in the system. If you look at the archive updates on her page, you will see where she was denied sometime earlier in 2004.

mysteriew

07-23-2004, 04:11 AM

I do not live in Blanchester. I do not "know" either of the involved families, but have met Debbie Culberson once, briefly. I did not know Carrie or Vincent. I just want to establish that my involvement here is only because I think it is a shame for any parent not to have a gravesite for their mourning. If the only thing they have left of their child is a body and their memories, they should have somewhere to go where they can feel closer to their child. After all, losing a child is probably one of the worst things that can happen to a parent. I became interested in this case when they announced that Carrie was missing and a search was in progress and have followed the case in the time since. I never hear of an unidentified body being found, but what I don't look for signs that it might be Carrie. Here are some of the things I have observed. Everyone who knows the participants has an opinion. Even people who do not know the participants have an opinion about it. They are all sure they know who is guilty and who is not. And are willing to argue about it. This case is not only tearing up the family (you hear a lot about Debbie C. but not much from the father and the sister). They are hurting also. I do admire Debbie C. because she is hanging in there. She has shown she will not rest until Carrie's body is found. If Vincent's supporters want to stop people from talking about this case, they will just have to jump in and help find the body. This case has caused a lot of controversy and suspicion in Blanchester. This will not be able to heal till Carrie is found. There are a lot of "rumors and guesses" and very few facts. Here are a few questions that I have: There are other family members of Vincent. Who are they? Lawrence is supposedly the father of a lot of children. But you very seldom hear anyone say "my father is Lawrence Baker" I understand that some of Vincent's family and friend's visit this board. Maybe they can answer some of these questions. Who are the other kids? Why aren't they standing up for their father and brothers?
The only ones you ever hear about are Vincent and Tracy. I am sure it was difficult to grow up knowing that your father was always married to someone else when your mother became pregnant with you. Did that cause problems for Vincent? Was there a family history of violence and lawlessness? But at least he claimed Vincent. Does he claim the other children he supposedly had?
And was Lawrence married before? Doesn't Lawrence have a brother? Why was I told that if Lawrence or his brother came into a bar that I should immediately leave? What are their histories? And where were they the week that Carrie disappeared? The papers say that Tracy went on a trucking job after Carrie's disappearance. Where did he go? Is it normal for the Bakers to bury a freezer full of venision on their property? Or is it only when cadaver dogs are going doing a search of the property? And why was there clothing in the freezer? Was this a type of misdirection from somewhere else, or an attempt to find out how good the cadaver dogs were, and how sensitive they were to decomposition? Where was Vincent going to and coming from at that time of the morning when his truck ran out of gas? Without answers to what happened to Carrie, I know I will continue to follow this case, No matter who is guilty and who isn't. I know from talking to others they feel that way also. Blanchester is a small town, and people are people. The talking won't quit until there are answers. Everybody l