Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered

[EnvoyDriver61]

The Graham ISD appears to be due east of Weleetka with State Road 84 going through the middle of it (according to the map from Okfuskee county at geo.ou.edu)

Reports state the girls were going north on the dirt road toward a bridge frequented as a meeting place. So, if they were returning and were shot in the chest, wouldn't the car/vehicle, if there were one, have to come from the direction of their house? I'm thinking the tracks they report doing a u-turn were foot prints. It's a wonder that grandfather didn't get shot as well if they were still in the area.

Making every report add up is kind of difficult with the short time span and the means in which the girls were traveling as well as the tracks.

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with you, Data; I don't think the family is involved in the murders either.Well..with the exception we still don't know about the parents of Taylor and their associations. I don't think the grandparents or Skyla's parents are involved.

[SailorMoon]

I don't know Data, stranger things have happened. Do you remember the case of 9 year old Krystal Tobias and her 8 year old friend, Laura Hobbs? They went missing on a Sunday and were found the next day. It turned out the person whom stabbed and beat them to death in the park was the father of one of them, angry because his daughter didn't want to return home. :(

I remember that and that was so sad...but again..he made some attempt to hide the bodies. I don't know what to make of this one.

[SeriouslySearching]

The Graham ISD appears to be due east of Weleetka with State Road 84 going through the middle of it (according to the map from Okfuskee county at geo.ou.edu)

Reports state the girls were going north on the dirt road toward a bridge frequented as a meeting place. So, if they were returning and were shot in the chest, wouldn't the car/vehicle, if there were one, have to come from the direction of their house? I'm thinking the tracks they report doing a u-turn were foot prints. It's a wonder that grandfather didn't get shot as well if they were still in the area.

Making every report add up is kind of difficult with the short time span and the means in which the girls were traveling as well as the tracks.I actually would assume the tracks were car tracks and they might have been coming south then did a U-turn back towards the north away from her house. County line roads are intersecting at every mile or so. I don't believe it was a dead end road from everything I have heard so far.

[STEADFAST]

Well..with the exception we still don't know about the parents of Taylor and their associations. I don't think the grandparents or Skyla's parents are involved.

Maybe one of those custody/revenge situations? Could be. I wonder why the newspapers haven't identified the parents.

[christine2448]

They were found in a ditch on the side of a dirt road in a rural part of the state. Rosser said authorities did not believe the girls were sexually assaulted before the murder, but DNA samples and their clothes were being processed for evidence.

State law enforcement officials sent investigators to help local police comb the crime scene, located in a densely wooded area. Authorities were looking into tire tracks near the spot where the girls were found, as well as shoe imprints. Heavy rains throughout the day Monday did not help the investigation.


http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5037169&page=2

[christine2448]

it's on AMW

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=56421

[SeriouslySearching]

I would hope they are digging to find out that information as we speak. A visit to the Department of Vital Statistics would be a good place to start or being this is a small town...the local cafe would probably turn up that plus even more details.

[christine2448]

Two Guns Used In Girls' Killings

Posted: June 11, 2008 01:38 PM EDT
Updated: June 11, 2008 01:38 PM EDT
State investigators say they believe two people are responsible for the killing of two young girls on a country road near Weleetka.
Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Jessica Brown said Wednesday two different caliber weapons were used to kill 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker. Because two weapons were used, Brown says investigators believe there were two killers.
Brown declined to say what type of weapons were used.


http://www.newson6.com/Global/story.asp?S=8464424

[OrdinaryLife]

That's strange, because I was picturing them walking up on something. But if they were on their way back, they would have passed the same spot just a few minutes earlier. Maybe they walked up on something at the bridge, then walked (or ran) the other way -- back towards home, and then the vehicle came after them.

I wonder if both of your thoughts are true. They had not been gone long. What if they were walking away from home,simply doing what young girls do, and came across "whatever"? It's very possible it freaked them out and they turned to return home?

You have to wonder what did these two angels see? I cannot help but wonder if it's more than some drug dealings going on. I think there is more to this, I really do.

[SeriouslySearching]

It was densely wooded in the ditch where they were found. I don't take it to mean they were moved. Shoe prints would indicate the shooter/shooters were outside of the car tho.

[christine2448]

OKLA Cops looking for 2 Killers on AMW also

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=56421

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for the articles, Christine! :)

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is ridiculous that this is getting more national attention than local on our television coverage here. (I am very glad about the national coverage!!) If I were the station manager here...I would have this running and reporters scrambling with wall to wall coverage. Idiots. They are discussing thermostats on the news now. GRRRR!

[OrdinaryLife]

Given that LE is telling families living in this area to keep their children close to home, I do not think that any other family members are involved in this tragedy.

This was a stranger/s murder of 2 innocents.

If LE think it possible that the killer/s are local, then I think I would check into those with guns registared, shooting sportsman clubs, and even those who applied for hunting licenses in the past. Nothing ventured, nothing but possibilties gained.

[SeriouslySearching]

My guess is that the guns were purchased on the black market and are not going to be so easily traced. I don't expect to find these were locals.

They have probably already rounded up and interviewed the usual suspects for the area. If not, they are looking for them now. They know who is who readily in such a remote area.

[STEADFAST]

Given that LE is telling families living in this area to keep their children close to home, I do not think that any other family members are involved in this tragedy.

This was a stranger/s murder of 2 innocents.

If LE think it possible that the killer/s are local, then I think I would check into those with guns registared, shooting sportsman clubs, and even those who applied for hunting licenses in the past. Nothing ventured, nothing but possibilties gained.

I would bet that every family in Weleetka has at least one gun.

[noZme]

I think it is ridiculous that this is getting more national attention than local on our television coverage here. (I am very glad about the national coverage!!) If I were the station manager here...I would have this running and reporters scrambling with wall to wall coverage. Idiots. They are discussing thermostats on the news now. GRRRR!


I agree!
but the "news service" is really no different than the rest of the station... it's all about profit$.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK I have to fly for awhile. Keep up the news so I have plenty to read when I return!!

[noZme]

hunters have licenses, registered guns are owned by responsible people who are likely to have carry permits...... but lots of hoohaws "got a piece" & those are the guns more likely to be involved with murder.

[CarpeDiem]

If I were the station manager here...I would have this running and reporters scrambling with wall to wall coverage. Idiots. They are discussing thermostats on the news now. GRRRR!

If they were still missing the coverage would be much greater.

[OrdinaryLife]

I would bet that every family in Weleetka has at least one gun.

Yeah, you're probably right. I forget because I live in an area of the country where gun onwership isn't large. That doesn't make it wrong, I just forget...

[SailorMoon]

Where is the info about the trust funds? I'm leaving work early to go to the dentist and want to send a check off to them to help these families pay for the funerals. That's the last thing they should be worried about.

[Shamrock]

Where is the info about the trust funds? I'm leaving work early to go to the dentist and want to send a check off to them to help these families pay for the funerals. That's the last thing they should be worried about.

Donations may be sent to:

Bank of Commerce, P.O. Box 248, Weleetka, OK 74880.

For more information call (405) 786-2216.

[kahskye]

That's strange, because I was picturing them walking up on something. But if they were on their way back, they would have passed the same spot just a few minutes earlier. Maybe they walked up on something at the bridge, then walked (or ran) the other way -- back towards home, and then the vehicle came after them.

It was stated somewhere that the ground was muddy. If they could find the girls footprints, that would give an indication if they were walking or running by the distance between strides.

[SuziQ]

Regarding cell towers. I checked the ATT wireless website and for that company, it looks like they had a tower in Weleetka. Great coverage extends around the town for about 2-3 miles, as does great coverage on either side of I-40. There's a pocket between Weleetka and I-40 where coverage is mediocre, so I guess cell's there can get either the Weleetka one or one along I-40.

If they lived closer to Weleetka, I'd think the ping info on that would be easier to get and track for that time frame. However, one report I read said that Skyla was from Henryetta, which leads me to believe they lived closer to the NE of Weleetka and may be in the nether zone.

All this assuming is based on similar cell phone reception/tower placement among other cell providers. I realize that that is a wide assumption.

Can all calls in a certain time frame be tracked from a tower? In other words can a reverse ping be done to find phone numbers from a tower instead of a phone like we are used to?

[SuziQ]

I think it is ridiculous that this is getting more national attention than local on our television coverage here. (I am very glad about the national coverage!!) If I were the station manager here...I would have this running and reporters scrambling with wall to wall coverage. Idiots. They are discussing thermostats on the news now. GRRRR!

I don't understand this, because at the presser yesterday, Local LE thanked the media and gave the impression they wanted media involvement.

[noZme]

sheriff choate and the uncle both mentioned taylor's dog was with the girls. was the dog shot?

[STEADFAST]

sheriff choate and the uncle both mentioned taylor's dog was with the girls. was the dog shot?

They did? I missed that. Can you remember where you read it?

[OrdinaryLife]

sheriff choate and the uncle both mentioned taylor's dog was with the girls. was the dog shot?

NoZme, where was that? Could you share a link, please???

[Shamrock]

sheriff choate and the uncle both mentioned taylor's dog was with the girls. was the dog shot?

I hadn't heard that. And if the dog wasn't shot, did it go straight home? If it did, I would think the grandfather would have found that a strange too, knowing the dog came back w/o the girls.

[STEADFAST]

Here's a web page of Taylor's sister, featuring a poem written by Taylor when she was 9.
There are also a few pictures of the family from a while back.
http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/id13.html

[SailorMoon]

FWIW, I remember reading or hearing somewhere about the dog too....but haven't heard anything about it since, so the dog may be like the 3 suspects they had.

[SailorMoon]

Here's a web page of Taylor's sister, featuring a poem written by Taylor when she was 9.
There are also a few pictures of the family from a while back.
http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/id13.html


this may be just me...but the pic of "baby cousin Nita" looks like a pic from a correctional facility.....I'm just sayin.....

[STEADFAST]

this may be just me...but the pic of "baby cousin Nita" looks like a pic from a correctional facility.....I'm just sayin.....

I agree.

Well now we know that Taylor and her sister (?) have at least 2 brothers, JC and Willey. They have at least two sisters in law, KK and Touia. Their parents are called Bud and Drag. (Er . . . maybe I'm just too suspicious, but are those names not drug references?) They have an Uncle Tony and a cousin Nita. Plus the other aunt and uncle from the news stories, Joe and Nell Mosher.

I think Bud and Drag look like Peter and Vicky Placker, the grandparents. Maybe it's just a family resemblance.

[MCDRAW]

If the killer/s are local then eventually it will come out. Small towns have a way of knowing whats going on with who. Or somone talks to someone who talks to someone else. These little girls may not have realized what they had walked up on. It's all so senseless. I would almost bet they have suspects they just aren't wanting to say so at this time. I hope they solve this soon.

[rccook555]

Here's a web page of Taylor's sister, featuring a poem written by Taylor when she was 9.
There are also a few pictures of the family from a while back.
http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/id13.html


Here is her Myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=309562466

Havent got a chance to look it over yet but there is 3 pics of Taylor on her page under pics.

[philamena]

I am working on my computer (thanks for reminding me to clear my caches whoever that was! Hugs) so maybe I will be able to access OSCN as I am still having trouble with it. Great find, Philamena! Worth checking into for certain. :) .)

SS,
I wish I could take credit for the find, ;)but I found the information on the link you provided.
I believe there's more information on that site that just may pertain to someone involved with the murders.

[philamena]

If any case calls for vigilante justice, this is one that definitely would, but first I would prefer they suffer tremendously for a few weeks..................
:clap::clap:

[noZme]

i am so confused about taylor's family tree and to complicate matters, everyone has a nickname. can anyone graph it out?


questions:

about the dog
"Can you remember where you read it?"
"where was that? Could you share a link, please???"

i pick up on references to animals. i think the female tv reporter in ome of the 1st reports from the scene said "taylor's little dog" was with them". i'll have to look back to find which station, there was at least 1 more mention by either uncle joe or the sheriff. i do not remember seeing anything about the dog in print...... i thought as soon as shots were fired the dog would run into the woods. of course, all 3 could have been shot as quickly as bang bang bang.


"..pic of "baby cousin Nita" looks like a pic from a correctional facility"

i thought the same. the dour expression, cinderblock wall behind her & the shirt collar raised my red flags. "Nita You Are So Great I Love You Baby Girl I Miss The Times We Had Togetger And I Cant Wait To Get That Back " pretty much confirmed it. researching court records last night we saw that trouble with the law was not unheard of in this family. that makes the loss of this child even more tragic. she was smart, motivated & seemed headed for success.

i thought the same about tony and the caption
"Uncle Tony Can Not Wait Till You Come Home"
but then i saw he was wearing a gold necklace & that wouldn't be allowed, right?


i'm sure everyone is as let down as i that there was no big news at the presser.

[noZme]

I don't understand this, because at the presser yesterday, Local LE thanked the media and gave the impression they wanted media involvement.

the purpose of daily news releases & press conferences is more to placate the media to keep from being hounded. media gets a picture & statement to update their stories & law enforcement can do their work without constant interference..... of course, a good reporter is digging for the story otherwise.

[STEADFAST]

"..pic of "baby cousin Nita" looks like a pic from a correctional facility"

i thought the same. the dour expression, cinderblock wall behind her & the shirt collar raised my red flags. "Nita You Are So Great I Love You Baby Girl I Miss The Times We Had Togetger And I Cant Wait To Get That Back " pretty much confirmed it. researching court records last night we saw that trouble with the law was not unheard of in this family. that makes the loss of this child even more tragic. she was smart, motivated & seemed headed for success.



Mikal Caudle the subject of Taylor's sister's sad love poems has also had many run-ins with the law, including domestic abuse accusations.

[FLtwinmom]

Has this been posted? Pictures of the girls and of Taylor's uncle and grandparents.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4194,00.html#5_0


I cannot get the picture to open now- but I could have sworn the Grandfather's (Peter Placker) hat said Narcotics Officer. I wonder if this is a novelty hat or if he was in fact a LEO? I tried to find the picture again but can't find it anywhere. It is the picture of him and his wife with Taylor. The hat is green with lettering.

[STEADFAST]

I cannot get the picture to open now- but I could have sworn the Grandfather's (Peter Placker) hat said Narcotics Officer. I wonder if this is a novelty hat or if he was in fact a LEO? I tried to find the picture again but can't find it anywhere. It is the picture of him and his wife with Taylor. The hat is green with lettering.

I saw that picture in a news article, too. He did have on a hat that said "Narcotics Officer." I'll try to find that article.

[bakerprune64]

2 Guns, 2 Killers? Okla. Police Think So


Different Guns Used to Kill Best Friends Found Dead in Ditch Sunday; Still No Suspects


Two guns were used to kill the best-friend pair found dead in an Oklahoma ditch Sunday evening, and authorities now say they believe more than one person is responsible for murders.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=5044428&page=1

[bakerprune64]

I cannot get the picture to open now- but I could have sworn the Grandfather's (Peter Placker) hat said Narcotics Officer. I wonder if this is a novelty hat or if he was in fact a LEO? I tried to find the picture again but can't find it anywhere. It is the picture of him and his wife with Taylor. The hat is green with lettering.

Could it be possible that if grandfather was a Narc that somebody was out to make his family pay?

[OrdinaryLife]

I tried toi find anything concerning a dog on OKJ TV channels, but foiund nothing. It's most likely no big deal.

Two different guns. Two possible shooters. I read that instructions needed to be given to where the bodies were found by the grandfather. It was the grandmother who made the mobile phone calls before the grandfather went out looking for the girls.

link: www.kjrh.com/content/news/ (http://www.kjrh.com/content/news/)

click news then 2 view on Green County

[Taximom]

I saw that picture in a news article, too. He did have on a hat that said "Narcotics Officer." I'll try to find that article.

I saw that too, STEADFAST. It was a Fox news link photo spread of the family, etc, someone just posted but I haven't gone back to look at who.

I wasn't sure what to think about that hat...

[bakerprune64]

I tried toi find anything concerning a dog on OKJ TV channels, but foiund nothing. It's most likely no big deal.

Two different guns. Two possible shooters. I read that instructions needed to be given to where the bodies were found by the grandfather. It was the grandmother who made the mobile phone calls before the grandfather went out looking for the girls.

link: www.kjrh.com/content/news/ (http://www.kjrh.com/content/news/)

click news then 2 view on Green County

For some odd reason I was not able to get the link to work

[Wisteria Vine]

They've said on CNN that it appears to have been two guns used to kill the girls. I'm leaning toward thrill killing from some gangsta wannabes. This is so sad. I feel so badly for the grandfather...how can you live with something like this?

[OrdinaryLife]

For some odd reason I was not able to get the link to work

Way weird. Sorry about that! I went to CNN and clicked "South" and then channel kjrh. I wonder..

www.kjrh.com (http://www.kjrh.com)

Okay, that link to channel works. Hit news and the story of these angels should come up. Sorry for any problem!

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree.

Well now we know that Taylor and her sister (?) have at least 2 brothers, JC and Willey. They have at least two sisters in law, KK and Touia. Their parents are called Bud and Drag. (Er . . . maybe I'm just too suspicious, but are those names not drug references?) They have an Uncle Tony and a cousin Nita. Plus the other aunt and uncle from the news stories, Joe and Nell Mosher.

I think Bud and Drag look like Peter and Vicky Placker, the grandparents. Maybe it's just a family resemblance.I believe Bud and Drag ARE Peter and Vicky which sound to me like Biker names. Yes, Nita looks to be in jail. No, Uncle Tony's photo is not from inside jail.

I don't think for a minute that Peter is involved with LE because it is pretty common to see hats like that around here. I think if that were the case, it would have come out by now and he would not have been wearing his hat to advertise it either.

I have not heard anything about a dog being with them at all.

ETA: Correction about Joe. Thanks, Steadfast. :)

[STEADFAST]

Joe Mosher is Skyla's uncle not Taylor's uncle.

I believe Bud and Drag ARE Peter and Vicky which sound to me like Biker names. Yes, Nita looks to be in jail. No, Uncle Tony's photo is not from inside jail.

I don't think for a minute that Peter is involved with LE because it is pretty common to see hats like that around here. I think if that were the case, it would have come out by now and he would not have been wearing his hat to advertise it either.

I have not heard anything about a dog being with them at all.

No, he's Taylor's uncle.
On Tuesday morning, Taylor's uncle, Joe Mosher, drove up to the makeshift memorial at the place the bodies were found. Yellow crime scene tape had been torn away and thick patches of grass were matted down.
A rosary hung from a branch, and stuffed animals and a bouquet of flowers just beginning to wilt formed the grim reminder of innocence lost.
"It's the most tragic thing that I've ever seen," said Nell Mosher, Taylor's aunt. "They were just two precious little babies; they were good girls."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_us/girls_killed

[SeriouslySearching]

The story also has an international element as well. Okfuskee County Sheriff's Deputies say they've received calls from Scotland Yard in England offering assistance in the investigation. Of course, the FBI and U.S. Marshals have also offered aid.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8464424

I say call in Scotland Yard myself!! They offered! Wow!

[SeriouslySearching]

No, he's Taylor's uncle.
On Tuesday morning, Taylor's uncle, Joe Mosher, drove up to the makeshift memorial at the place the bodies were found. Yellow crime scene tape had been torn away and thick patches of grass were matted down.
A rosary hung from a branch, and stuffed animals and a bouquet of flowers just beginning to wilt formed the grim reminder of innocence lost.
"It's the most tragic thing that I've ever seen," said Nell Mosher, Taylor's aunt. "They were just two precious little babies; they were good girls."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_re_us/girls_killed:) OK. I give. In the initial interview, they put his name up as Skyla's uncle so I guess it was a mistake. I tried to find it to take a shot of it..but lots of video since then.

[STEADFAST]

Agents looked into a tip this morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys were in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun," Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects."
http://newsok.com/investigators-say-two-guns-were-used-in-girls-slaying/article/3255944/?tm=1213212603

I wonder what he means by "yes, they had a shotgun." It could mean that they had a shotgun, which was NOT one of the murder weapons. Or it could mean, yes, they had the same kind of gun as the murderers.

[STEADFAST]

:) OK. I give. In the initial interview, they put his name up as Skyla's uncle so I guess it was a mistake. I tried to find it to take a shot of it..but lots of video since then.

Yeah, I've noticed information is changing some, as usual. I always swear that I will save and index every article I come across on a new case that I obsess over, but I never know I'm going to obsess until it is too late!

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't think they used a shotgun on the girls and LE wouldn't take their gun for testing. I would imagine that the murder weapons weren't shotguns anyway. Hard to shoot multiple times in a short amount of time.

That would be normal for a group of boys to have a gun there shooting at logs in the water or setting up beer cans for target practice.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yeah, I've noticed information is changing some, as usual. I always swear that I will save and index every article I come across on a new case that I obsess over, but I never know I'm going to obsess until it is too late!I know the feeling.

I still am surprised that the only coverage we are getting locally is on the regular news and by the time it rolls around...Fox, CNN, and Headline News is so far ahead of them that it is a waste of time to watch. Sad really. Here this happened in our backyard and they treat it like it was no big deal. I guess the OSBI was thanking OKC's media for their coverage.

[MeoW333]

I hope they question that pickup full of boys with a shotgun who were down there shooting. Maybe they had more than a shotgun they were shooting.

"The girls had walked to a bridge along the dirt road, which is a popular gathering place for residents in the rural county, which is about 90 miles east of Oklahoma City. "We're not sure whether it was somebody passing by," Ross (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Ross&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "It's an active area for people to throw from the bridge, shoot from the bridge."
http://newsok.com/clues-sought-in-slaying-of-girls-in-weleetka/article/3255420/?pg=1

If it was such a popular gathering spot, it's a wonder no one saw anything out of the ordinary. Even a car that was not local would be noticed in such a remote area. I'm beginning to wonder if it was local boys who did it to. Anyone who the girls would have been able to identify. Gunshots were common place in that area, so people wouldn't have thought much of it. Two different guns would most likely be 2 different shooters. I doubt somebody would go wild west style with a gun in each hand. They'd have to be a good shot. The girls could have been cornered and then shot by more than one person. Someone local who would know the roads well. Or at least someone who used to be local. I'm really thinking they need to question that pickup truck of boys and whoever else hung out there that day.

[evelyn24]

I'm leaning toward a thrill kill.

[SuziQ]

Video: Watch Wed. OSBI News Conference (http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html#)

[Greywing]

Multiple shots to heads and chest ... IMO this is beyond a thrill kill!

[oceanblueeyes]

Agents looked into a tip this morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys were in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun," Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects."
http://newsok.com/investigators-say-two-guns-were-used-in-girls-slaying/article/3255944/?tm=1213212603

I wonder what he means by "yes, they had a shotgun." It could mean that they had a shotgun, which was NOT one of the murder weapons. Or it could mean, yes, they had the same kind of gun as the murderers.

Hmm thanks for the link SF.

Now that is what I call a huge coincidence, huh?

So they were in the area when the crimes were committed.

They were shooting weapons at the time.

They had a shotgun..

Well how does LE know that is all they had?

[Beyond Belief]

So two guns used, maybe two gunman. They need to have every gun in the county brought in for examination.

[concernedperson]

I'm leaning toward a thrill kill.

I am too. This sounds like boys gone wild mainly because of the multiple shots. The children were dead after the shots to the head. Why multiples? Almost like video games where thrill is obliterating the target.

The boys in the truck with guns in the area need to be looked at hard and long. This area is so rural that it is unlikely the perps just happened to be there at the same time as the girls.It takes locals to even know where to go. JMO.

[Kellee]

I'm watching Fox23 Tulsa and they just said that AMW is in Weleetka filming and plans to feature a segment on Saturday.

[philamena]

Per Greta, both girls were shot in the face and both were found in the ditch. :(

Greta also reported that LE is looking for 2 suspects.0

[christine2448]

I had read they were shot in the face too, but it was only one paper and didn't want to post something so gruesome w/o confirmation....now it's been spoke again. How awful for 'dad' granddad to come up on that.

Sending strength and peace to all involved.

[chiperoni]

The police are searching around for clues in classmates' conversations on different websites. I'm sure they're looking for teen gossip to see if they know anything. Sorry no link because info is in a local paper that demands a subscription. GRRR

[SeriouslySearching]

I am too. This sounds like boys gone wild mainly because of the multiple shots. The children were dead after the shots to the head. Why multiples? Almost like video games where thrill is obliterating the target.

The boys in the truck with guns in the area need to be looked at hard and long. This area is so rural that it is unlikely the perps just happened to be there at the same time as the girls.It takes locals to even know where to go. JMO.It doesn't take locals to know where to go. Oklahoma backroads aren't difficult to figure out like say a mountain road into nowhere. The road is well maintained and I would say it is a county road.

The boys in the truck are not suspects according to LE because it was a normal Sunday activity for them. This is the country and it is what boys do here. They have been doing this for eons. Their fathers did it and so did their grandfathers. They probably got their first rifle when they were 8 or 9 yo. They have a healthy respect for their guns and learn early not to be stupid which is why you don't hear of many accidental shootings among them.

It doesn't sound like boys gone wild to me at all. It sounds like it was done deliberately and carried out like a gang type execution.

[Trino]

Hmm thanks for the link SF.

Now that is what I call a huge coincidence, huh?

So they were in the area when the crimes were committed.

They were shooting weapons at the time.

They had a shotgun..

Well how does LE know that is all they had?

The video states they were shooting 3 miles away from the girls. I guess that's why they are not considered POI.

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't get to it, but the Oklahoman newspaper I was reading earlier stated they were tire tracks for certain that made a U-turn where the bodies were found.

The newspaper also said that there was a computer at Taylor's and they were checking into it on various friend sites like Chiperoni said. So Taylor could have had a myspace or facebook page. Guess we need to keep looking since we haven't found it yet.

[txsvicki]

I read a news article last night that said the girls were found close together, about as close as if they possibly could have been fleeing. Has there been any ruling out of this?

[SeriouslySearching]

I had read they were shot in the face too, but it was only one paper and didn't want to post something so gruesome w/o confirmation....now it's been spoke again. How awful for 'dad' granddad to come up on that.

Sending strength and peace to all involved.I cannot imagine how he is going to live with that from now on. It is beyond nightmares. Bless his heart. :(

The outpouring of support from people around the state and the country is amazing. The money is rolling in from everywhere and they said they even got a tip from Great Britain (can't imagine what that could have been tho). It is heartwarming to know in all this horror how much humanity exists in this world.

[SeriouslySearching]

I read a news article last night that said the girls were found close together, about as close as if they possibly could have been fleeing. Has there been any ruling out of this?Not that I have heard. Maybe they were huddled together and clinging to one another. It didn't look like there was anywhere for them to flee.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Not that I have heard. Maybe they were huddled together and clinging to one another. It didn't look like there was anywhere for them to flee.

Just heard on Nancy Grace, Grandma said they were about 5 feet apart from each other.
They were both shot in the face and CHEST not the back so they were facing the shooters.

[oceanblueeyes]

Not that I have heard. Maybe they were huddled together and clinging to one another. It didn't look like there was anywhere for them to flee.

LE said that they were found about 2 feet apart.

I think these shooters fired simultaneously in rapid fire at their individual targets. I really don't think these little girls even knew what was going to happen.

I have wondered though since LE has said they died where they were shot if they had moved off into the ditch area because of an oncoming vehicle. I know the kids do that here in my area when they are walking down narrow dirt roads.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

The road seemed to be fairly wide. Two cars could easily pass. They could have been backing away from the car tho if they were pulling up close to the girls.

I think you are right about how it went down. Both shooters at the same time. Let's hope it happened so quickly they really didn't have time to be terrorized. It just makes me ill to think how afraid they must have been even for a split second. As close as the girls were, I bet they were thinking about how to save the other.

[SeriouslySearching]

Just heard on Nancy Grace, Grandma said they were about 5 feet apart from each other.
They were both shot in the face and CHEST not the back so they were facing the shooters.Thanks for the info, AzGiGi. They would have turned away unless someone was holding them in some manner or if it was quick and unexpected.

I just can't wrap my head around how someone could look at those two beautiful, sweet faces then mow them down. :( They are cold blooded killers with absolutely no consciences or souls. May they go straight to hell and soon.

[txsvicki]

I wonder if they think the shooter/shooters stayed in the vehicle or got out to shoot the girls. Maybe someone was actually stopped on the road as the girls walked past.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Thanks for the info, AzGiGi. They would have turned away unless someone was holding them in some manner or if it was quick and unexpected.

I just can't wrap my head around how someone could look at those two beautiful, sweet faces then mow them down. :( They are cold blooded killers with absolutely no consciences or souls. May they go straight to hell and soon.

I wouldn't mind having them suffer for a while first :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if they think the shooter/shooters stayed in the vehicle or got out to shoot the girls. Maybe someone was actually stopped on the road as the girls walked past.They did mention shoe prints as part of the evidence collected. If someone were already stopped, I think the girls would have tried to avoid them even if it meant turning around to go the other way. She had a cell phone. Why didn't she use it? If they felt like something was wrong at all...why didn't Taylor just call for her grandfather to come?!

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't mind having them suffer for a while first :furious:I second that! Altho...I don't know if they could suffer enough.

I think I might be too close to this one. I just went back to read my posts and I have been horrible. Sorry. It is like a different world here than most people are used to and I guess I got carried away trying to explain it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Greta is running again. Mark F. is coming on next if anyone missed the earlier show like me.

[noZme]

if taylor's folks timeline is accurate, whatever happened went down rather quickly. any scenerio is horrible but i pray this was not a thrill kill. likely that would mean the murderers are local and this little community already has enough to bear.

[SeriouslySearching]

Mark F. seems to think along the same lines as I do. These people have been violent before and the weapons used were probably automatic or semi-automatic guns. He called them cold blooded, too. He said they call the shot to the head the "insurance shot" meaning it insures death. He said they will be comparing the MO to other murders/gun crimes around the country and the ballistics. Gosh, I hope they get a hit and move this case along quickly.

[txsvicki]

Mark Furhman also said that they need to be checking on any parolees in the area since it would be someone who knows the area well in order to have gotten out of there so quickly.

[Trino]

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Girls_Killed.html

Here's a local "take" on Skyla and Taylor:

"The dirt roads, which Skyla and Taylor walked dozens of times for sleepovers, have changed, too, according to Farrow.

"It just went downhill out in the country," he said. "These roads ain't nothing but drunks and dopeheads on the weekends. Sometimes, you have to drive around them, they're passed out in the middle of the road."

Mosher said drugs may have played a role in the death of his niece and her friend.

"The girls might have walked up on some guys cooking dope," he said. "There's been more of that stuff going on here in the past two years."

A neighbor, Ross Padgett, said drugs and the criminal element are worse than ever.

"Marijuana, meth, coke, you name it," he said. "A number of the meth cookers are right over in this community. They are busting them so hard in the cities, they are going rural."

[Mygirlsadie]

Oh Trino that is just so sad to read.. alot of families move out to the country to avoid those kinds of problems and to raise their children in a more safe, slowed-down environment. I always loved the country for that reason. I'm tired of these low life druggy losers taking over and acting as if they are wanted in OUR community's. Go find a island and get the hell out of here. :furious:

[poco]

Oh Trino that is just so sad to read.. alot of families move out to the country to avoid those kinds of problems and to raise their children in a more safe, slowed-down environment. I always loved the country for that reason. I'm tired of these low life druggy losers taking over and acting as if they are wanted in OUR community's. Go find a island and get the hell out of here. :furious:

Seems like our world is getting sicker and sicker.

As for torture - I can think of quite a few things I would like to do to these people. Before I would start with the torture however, I would sit them in a chair and tie them - no wait, NAIL THEIR F'ING TESTICLES TO THE CHAIR. That should keep them from getting up while I continue with other tactics.

[kahskye]

They did mention shoe prints as part of the evidence collected. If someone were already stopped, I think the girls would have tried to avoid them even if it meant turning around to go the other way. She had a cell phone. Why didn't she use it? If they felt like something was wrong at all...why didn't Taylor just call for her grandfather to come?!

I'm guessing this happened so fast, neither of the girls knew what was coming and Taylor never had time to call her grandfather.

[Torsade]

Lurker here popping in...
There is a timeline posted on NewsOK that is helpful because it has a map. I don't know how to or if I'm allowed to post that here. But, according to that map, the bridge that the news says the girls had walked to is 1/4 mile further from the home than where the girls were found. If there is evidence that the girls actually made it to the bridge, then I believe they may have encountered something at the bridge and then started to run home. The shooters knew they'd been observed and took a minute or two to get to their car, or decide what to do, or whatever. The girls had made it 1/4 mile in the direction of their home, when they were overtaken by the vehicle with the shooters. The shooters killed those precious girls then made a u turn and left from the direction they came.
This all fits, time-wise. Teens meander at about 3 miles/hour. That speed would get them to the bridge (3/4 miles from the home) in 15 minutes.

[noZme]

good morning torsade, welcome aboard ws
happy you are speaking out now & thanks for the link

[STEADFAST]

Lurker here popping in...
There is a timeline posted on NewsOK that is helpful because it has a map. I don't know how to or if I'm allowed to post that here. But, according to that map, the bridge that the news says the girls had walked to is 1/4 mile further from the home than where the girls were found. If there is evidence that the girls actually made it to the bridge, then I believe they may have encountered something at the bridge and then started to run home. The shooters knew they'd been observed and took a minute or two to get to their car, or decide what to do, or whatever. The girls had made it 1/4 mile in the direction of their home, when they were overtaken by the vehicle with the shooters. The shooters killed those precious girls then made a u turn and left from the direction they came.
This all fits, time-wise. Teens meander at about 3 miles/hour. That speed would get them to the bridge (3/4 miles from the home) in 15 minutes.

Thanks, Torsade! Here's the link: http://newsok.com/article/3255986

[Taximom]

Welcome, Torsade! Thanks for that info.

[christine2448]

Lurker here popping in...
There is a timeline posted on NewsOK that is helpful because it has a map.

Welcome to WS Torsade! Thanks for the link. Here is the map you found w/timeline.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/j11welcrimemap.jpg

[christine2448]

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young," Rosser (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "We've got leads and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others."



http://www.newsok.com/article/3255944/

[SewingDeb]

About the tire tracks. This article appears to have been updated but once said this:

Tire tracks preserved before heavy rains hit the area late Sunday show that a vehicle traveled down the road, then turned around near the ditch where the girls were found.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3255420/

[STEADFAST]

Welcome to WS Torsade! Thanks for the link. Here is the map you found w/timeline.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/j11welcrimemap.jpg

LE has been saying that they're thinking locals committed the murders because of the isolated location. But I think the map backs up SS's theory that the murderers could well be outsiders. All you have to do to get to the site is turn off of HWY 75 and then turn down the first street.

[Torsade]

LE has been saying that they're thinking locals committed the murders because of the isolated location. But I think the map backs up SS's theory that the murderers could well be outsiders. All you have to do to get to the site is turn off of HWY 75 and then turn down the first street.
...or exit I40 and drive 5 miles...no turns....

[XcomSquaddie]

Not sure if this was posted yet:

http://www.newsok.com/article/3256335/

Authorities talk about the two weapons, saying one was "high-powered" and one was "low-powered". They also said a news station showed footage of the shell casings on the ground.

Kicked out shell casings mean semi-automatic pistols, as opposed to revolvers. Semi-autos are also easier to shoot, and to shoot quickly, than revolvers.

My speculation:
High powered could mean .45ACP or .40S&W. Conceivably it could even be 9mm, but that's a stretch. Low powered sounds like a .22 or similar small round.

[christine2448]

The reporters and LE also are insistant that it local because of where it is. NG last night was saying also outsiders could have easily done this because of how close the hwy is..the reporter was adamant that the road is not noticable, it's not easy for outsiders to come upon. Traveled by locals, but not outsiders.

Now, they could be wrong. But they live there and understand more the actual layout.

Do we have any sleuthers in this area?

[XcomSquaddie]

The reporters and LE also are insistant that it local because of where it is. NG last night was saying also outsiders could have easily done this because of how close the hwy is..the reporter was adamant that the road is not noticable, it's not easy for outsiders to come upon. Traveled by locals, but not outsiders.

Now, they could be wrong. But they live there and understand more the actual layout.


It could go either way. If the region is a center of drug activity, outsiders could be coming in delivering or picking up shipments. Outsiders could have learned a lot just by coming in to pick up their meth shipment.

I'm not sure I buy the drug deal scenario. Selling drugs is one thing. A double-murder, especially of two young girls, is in an entirely different league.

Not to mention the fact, that if the drug runners were outsiders, the girls wouldn't have recognized them anyway. Why kill them when you can just deny it? Young kids on a rural road at dusk?

And if this bridge was a hotspot of local activity, why do a drug deal there?

Four days and still too many questions.

[winteryns]

I can't imagine what kind of threat these little girls could have been to someone that they had to shoot them. Whoever did this has no soul.

[SuziQ]

At yesterdays presser, the spokesman stated that while they are considering all possibilities, they feel this is a local crime. The spokesman said (paraphraising) that getting to the location required alot of directions and was not easy to find even in daylight. Not that easily accesable by the nearest highway.

IMO, the girls came across someone they knew commiting a crime. An unknown person could have cared less and would have gone on about their way.

[SuziQ]

Also, IIRC, the spokesman also said that OSBI has not been able to contact and interview everyone they needed to and that reason could be summertime, people on vacation, etc.

[STEADFAST]

The reporters and LE also are insistant that it local because of where it is. NG last night was saying also outsiders could have easily done this because of how close the hwy is..the reporter was adamant that the road is not noticable, it's not easy for outsiders to come upon. Traveled by locals, but not outsiders.

Now, they could be wrong. But they live there and understand more the actual layout.

Do we have any sleuthers in this area?

I don't live anywhere near there, but looking at the scene on an aerial map, there are very dense woods on the west side of the street and a strip of woods on the east. If there was a local connection in the area for drug sales (which there certainly is) that bridge could be a convenient meeting place for getting supply from someone from Tulsa -- much less obvious than having a gang member visit your home! Maybe the girls recognized the local connection and maybe the gang members didn't want to take a chance they'd mention what they saw.
It's hard for me to believe that anyone who had never killed before could shoot little girls in the face.

[Busylady]

Not sure if this info was already posted if so sorry for the duplicate information.

Linda Kaye PlackerDate of Birth:13 Apr 1981Gender:Female Birth County:Harris Father's Name:Peter Steven PlackerMother's Name:Vickie Ann Paschal Roll Number:1981_0015


I am assuming that Peter and Vickie are the grandparents.

[EnvoyDriver61]

I think they need to reinterrogate the boys in the pickup with the shotgun that were just out shooting "just like they always do." I wouldn't be surprised if the weapons are in that Bad Creek near where everyone throws things off the bridge.

This sounds to me like a 17-21 year old male showing off to his buddies.

They are drinking and have been shooting for a while. One starts bragging about his skills. They other denies anyone can out shoot him.

"The next thing we see we shoot as quick as we can."

Hey, look someone's walking down the road. They are the next thing we see. Come on, you chicken.

[kahskye]

Can't they check the tire print to the type of tires the boys in the pickup have?

[winteryns]

Can't they check the tire print to the type of tires the boys in the pickup have?

I am sure they will if they already didn't do it.

[SuziQ]

http://newsok.com/for-slain-weleetka-girls-kin-pain-keeps-coming/article/3256335/?tm=1213280045

(snips and alot of info at the above link)
Rose Whitaker (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=James+Whitaker&CATEGORY=PERSON) took one look at the man waving at her in the road Sunday and knew something was terribly wrong.

"They're gone,” the man said when she pulled up alongside him. "They're both gone. The girls are dead.” Whitaker (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=James+Whitaker&CATEGORY=PERSON)'s daughter, Skyla Jade, 11, and Skyla's best friend, Taylor Dawn (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Taylor+Dawn&CATEGORY=PERSON) Paschal-Placker, 13, lay lifeless in a nearby ditch. Each had been shot multiple times in the chest and head.

In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) agent Ben Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits. "We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

"They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,” Jimmy Farrow (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jimmy+Farrow&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”

Investigators think killers were familiar with area
Officials think the slayings may have been committed by people from the local area or who are familiar with the rural Okfuskee County (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Okfuskee+County&CATEGORY=COUNTY) roads.
"That's my gut feeling,” Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "It's an isolated area. We don't know if this is some kind of random thrill killing or an attempted abduction or a case of mistaken identity. It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge.”

ETA: I find the above bolded quote interesting.

[Lucy's mom]

[QUOTE=XcomSquaddie;2290413]
Not to mention the fact, that if the drug runners were outsiders, the girls wouldn't have recognized them anyway. Why kill them when you can just deny it? Young kids on a rural road at dusk?

I hope I'm replying with the quote correctly! XcomSquaddie makes a very good point. If it was an outsider, why kill the girls becasue the girls reconzing them is slim to none. I'm banking that it is a local. Someone that the girls might even know and would definitely be able to identify.

[kahskye]

I'm thinking it's someone the girls knew and maybe possibly threatened to tell on them and they freaked.

[oceanblueeyes]

[QUOTE=XcomSquaddie;2290413]
Not to mention the fact, that if the drug runners were outsiders, the girls wouldn't have recognized them anyway. Why kill them when you can just deny it? Young kids on a rural road at dusk?

I hope I'm replying with the quote correctly! XcomSquaddie makes a very good point. If it was an outsider, why kill the girls because the girls recognizing them is slim to none. I'm banking that it is a local. Someone that the girls might even know and would definitely be able to identify.

I definitely think it is two locals up to no good.

If the shell casings were found in the road then I think they approached them in their vehicle and the girls doing like most do, moved off to the side of the road when a vehicle passes, which LE is calling the ditch and when they got very close to them one most likely fired by putting the weapon out the open window and the other one may have stepped out of the vehicle and fired. Both would still be shot at close range.

It will be interesting to know if the frontal shots were done at an angle showing the direction where the shots were fired from. I think once murdering these poor girls they swung their vehicle around and headed the opposite way from where they had come from. Within minutes imo, they were back home as nothing had ever happened.

imo

[Taximom]

I think they are two locals (at least shooters) that have already been to jail/prison and don't want to go back.

[absinthe]

I'm thinking it's someone the girls knew and maybe possibly threatened to tell on them and they freaked.


That's the theory my young guy friend has, too. He thinks that the killers are boys in their classes that got sucked into an adolescent mob mentality.

[SailorMoon]

How confusing and so many questions. I could these whole thing happening more easily if it were near dark or dusk. But it wasn't. It was almost right at 5pm. It doesn't get dark at my house til near 9. So many questions and no answers. It takes somebody real freaking cold hearted to say the least to kill someone, let alone, shoot young girls in the face.

[XcomSquaddie]

I definitely think it is two locals up to no good.

Don't forget, there were likely two shooters. Could have been others there who just watched.

Hell, all they said was that two guns were used. There could have been other shooters too. Not likely, but possible.

The more people involved the better, because someone WILL screw up and talk or get guilty. Plus, once the heat comes down, everyone will start rolling over and pointing fingers.

[oceanblueeyes]

[QUOTE=XcomSquaddie;2290413]
Not to mention the fact, that if the drug runners were outsiders, the girls wouldn't have recognized them anyway. Why kill them when you can just deny it? Young kids on a rural road at dusk?

I hope I'm replying with the quote correctly! XcomSquaddie makes a very good point. If it was an outsider, why kill the girls because the girls recognizing them is slim to none. I'm banking that it is a local. Someone that the girls might even know and would definitely be able to identify.

I agree......an outsider doing this is just not logical. They are locals, imo.

This tragic case seems to be someone hell bent and determined to use two precious innocent children as target practice.

I hope and pray they can find the monsters who did this. My heart just breaks for Taylor and Skyla's families and for that community too. They hadn't even had a murder, much less double homicide, since in the 80s. They all have to be shattered knowing this happened there. Those two children had every right to walk the country road around Taylor's home without feeling uneasy or alarmed.

imoo

[XcomSquaddie]

I think they are two locals (at least shooters) that have already been to jail/prison and don't want to go back.

That's more plausible than the "Outsider Drug Runner" theory.

[oceanblueeyes]

Don't forget, there were likely two shooters. Could have been others there who just watched.

Hell, all they said was that two guns were used. There could have been other shooters too. Not likely, but possible.

The more people involved the better, because someone WILL screw up and talk or get guilty. Plus, once the heat comes down, everyone will start rolling over and pointing fingers.

I think you are right Xcom.

There may have been an observer or observers. I hope they feel the pressure and start singing like a canary to someone.

imoo

[absinthe]

The only thing that sticks out about the "locals" theory is that they were shot in the head and chest. That sounds like a cartel-style execution to me.

[EnvoyDriver61]

Does anyone know when the local schools had let out of school and graduation (high school) had occurred?

I wonder if there was a graduation party in the area.

[SuziQ]

How confusing and so many questions. I could these whole thing happening more easily if it were near dark or dusk. But it wasn't. It was almost right at 5pm. It doesn't get dark at my house til near 9. So many questions and no answers. It takes somebody real freaking cold hearted to say the least to kill someone, let alone, shoot young girls in the face.

The fact that this happened in broad daylight makes this crime particularly brutal for me.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that who ever did this was up to no good and the girls may have seen something or someone they could identify. Maybe even the car plates if not the individuals. I think that is what prompted this..the perps where up to something and knew the girls saw something and could ID them.

[STEADFAST]

From a long interview with Taylor's uncle:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_11_A1_hOSBIs543824

"We all understand that there's only certain information they can release and it's best to release it all at once," he said. "They're doing a good job, and we appreciate that. I'm surprised there hasn't been an arrest yet, but there will be. It might take a little bit but whoever it was, will be caught.

"It's just a really sad thing that this happened and they'll pay their dues; they will pay their dues. Everybody asks if I want to hurt these people. No, I don't want to hurt these people. The people in prison will hurt these people. When these people are caught and they go to prison, that's the end of it. They will pay their dues in prison."

I sure hope he's right.

[XcomSquaddie]

Thinking for a minute:

The favorite theory is that the two girls stumbled onto a "crime" and were killed to silence them. The favorite theory continues that the crime was a drug deal of some sort.

So in a drug deal, you've got a buyer and a seller. Both are unlikely to come alone and at least one, probably both will have a companion for protection. So now you have two groups of 1-2 people each, maybe three or four each. Speculating, say 3-6 people total.

That seems like a lot of people for this length of silence, if you know what I mean.

It was unlikely to be a murder, cause there was no other body. If the victim wasn't killed, say in a rape or assault, then that witness/victim and the perpetrators are still around. Again 3 people minimum.

Another theory is a potential abduction attempt. This seems to have more validity. No other witnesses/victims, only the two girls and two (minimum) perpetrators.

Note: I'm confident to theorize on two shooters because the police mentioned footprint evidence along with the evidence of two weapons.

So the girls were targeted for abduction, possibly sexual assault, and ran. The rest we know.

Locals vs Outsiders. I'm betting LE has some more evidence than they are making public. There may be more solid evidence, other than the remote location, that the perpetrators were local.

Just my thoughts.

[XcomSquaddie]

From a long interview with Taylor's uncle:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_11_A1_hOSBIs543824



I sure hope he's right.



From what information we've received so far, I got a call from North Carolina of all places, saying there was two guns involved and maybe three people.

Interesting comment, the three people. A long distance call like that, to the family, sounds like a reporter fishing for more info.

[Taximom]

Were they shot in the chest first and then shot in the head? Were they shot standing up? I can't wait to find out logistics because I think that's important.

Anyway, my main problem with this is figuring out how the shooters (2-shooter theory) worked out that they were going to shoot them at the same time. That takes communication between the two shooters OR advanced planning. Maybe they were shot in the chest first to stop them.

I was really hoping that kids would be talking by now if it were local young kids that did this.

[Taximom]

Maybe the 3rd person was just driving.

[SeriouslySearching]

While it is possible the local could be the connection, the shooters, imo, are not local and were probably delivering drugs or worse. I think they need to go back to the scene and start scouring for another body to make sure the girls did not witness a murder. It is common for gangbangers to take people out in the country to shoot them for snitching or other perceived issues. LE needs to rule this out by a complete search of the area between the bridge and where the girls were found plus in the water. They could find the weapons there, too.

The way these murders took place is not consistent with teenagers or wannabe gangbangers. This is the real deal and the shooters are experienced. Gangs in Tulsa rival those you find in LA because a lot of their leaders came from LA to "cool off". They do not think twice about putting a bullet in anyone and it is proven constantly here. They will drop you where you stand in broad daylight in public places with 200 people watching and no one better say a word against them...because your family will be dead before you can testify in court. I can show you many unsolved cases here to verify this is true.

[XcomSquaddie]

Were they shot in the chest first and then shot in the head? Were they shot standing up? I can't wait to find out logistics because I think that's important. My guess: chest first. Head once they were on the ground.

Having trained with guns, head shots are tough. It would be hard to hit a child in the head with a pistol, even at close range. Add in adrenaline, shooter and/or victim moving, chances of missing increase.

Anyway, my main problem with this is figuring out how the shooters (2-shooter theory) worked out that they were going to shoot them at the same time. That takes communication between the two shooters OR advanced planning. Maybe they were shot in the chest first to stop them.

All they would have to say is "I got that one, you take the other." Yes, that would indicate pre-meditation.

I was really hoping that kids would be talking by now if it were local young kids that did this. They may be. The police and feds may be keeping a very, very tight lid on things.

One person can keep a secret.
Two people can keep a secret, if one of them is dead.

Someone will talk.

[XcomSquaddie]

Maybe the 3rd person was just driving.

Good thought.

[SuziQ]

SS, It could be some serious "business people" from outside the area meeting up with a local the girls recognized. The final insurance shot to the head speaks of experience.

I want to know what local people suddenly took a trip and can't be located by LE to be interviewed.

[MeoW333]

"They said there was a high-powered weapon and a low-powered weapon,” Jimmy Farrow (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jimmy+Farrow&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "One of the TV stations showed shell casings piled up in the road where it happened.”
http://www.newsok.com/article/3256335/

One high powered and one low powered makes me think they're referring to rifles. An assault rifle; then maybe a regular one.
I would guess it was locals that did it; if the girls saw people they didn't recognize they may have attempted to hide or use the cell phone they had on them. It had to have been someone they knew. Such a small remote area; everyone knows eachother.
I hope LE is drilling that pickup truck full of boys. If they were around the area, you'd think they'd have seen or heard something if they're not involved themselves. These kids with violent video games and movies, would learn execution style shooting directly from those outlets. It's the individual mindset that makes the killer.

[SuziQ]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_12_WELEE73577

Investigators on Thursday returned to the scene where two girls were found slain over the weekend. (more of what we already know at the link. And a good pic showing how dense the foilage is in the area)

[XcomSquaddie]

LIVE @ 2 P.M.: News Conference On Weleetka Killings (http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html)

They might have a witness!


http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

[SailorMoon]

Good point SuziQ. I don't think they'll find a body dumped there. They may very well have been dumping one but quickly had to scrap that idea when they shot the girls. An additional body would leave additional clues. I hope LE will look real close at any bodies that turn up now.

[SeriouslySearching]

No one is going to talk no matter if there were ten of them. They witnessed an execution and they know they would be next. Information is not going to come from anyone involved or associates of those people, imo.

[SuziQ]

I think the title is misleading and not true. But I'm posting this anyways just in case:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/orl-usnews12_108jun12,0,5090185.story

Pair of guns found near girls' bodies, investigators say

[AuburnJenn]

Excuse me if this sounds stupid, but I am not familiar with this area at all. Does anyone know if there is a violent gang problem around those parts? This sounds like a gang initiation to me.

[SeriouslySearching]

WELEETKA, Okla. -- A source told Eyewitness News 5 Thursday that law enforcement officials are interviewing somebody who claims to have seen two slain girls moments before they were killed.
http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

Great! If they saw the girls...chances are good they would have seen the shooters. Now they might be getting somewhere!! (LE better protect their identity at all cost, too.) There is no question as to why this information wasn't given to LE moments after the murders. The person witheld it for a good reason. Fear of retalitation would be my guess.

[SeriouslySearching]

Excuse me if this sounds stupid, but I am not familiar with this area at all. Does anyone know if there is a violent gang problem around those parts? This sounds like a gang initiation to me.The area is about 70 miles south of Tulsa and 90 miles east of OKC. Both cities are inundated with gang activity.

[Lucy's mom]

The only thing that sticks out about the "locals" theory is that they were shot in the head and chest. That sounds like a cartel-style execution to me.
I could have been a cartel-style by on of the locals who knows the girls family.

[Lucy's mom]

LIVE @ 2 P.M.: News Conference On Weleetka Killings (http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html)

They might have a witness!


http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html
That would be awesome! If I can get online at the time I'll check it out and will report back what I hear.

[SuziQ]

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/n/content/shared-gen/ap/National/Girls_Killed.html

Here's a local "take" on Skyla and Taylor:

"The dirt roads, which Skyla and Taylor walked dozens of times for sleepovers, have changed, too, according to Farrow.

"It just went downhill out in the country," he said. "These roads ain't nothing but drunks and dopeheads on the weekends. Sometimes, you have to drive around them, they're passed out in the middle of the road."

Mosher said drugs may have played a role in the death of his niece and her friend.

"The girls might have walked up on some guys cooking dope," he said. "There's been more of that stuff going on here in the past two years."

A neighbor, Ross Padgett, said drugs and the criminal element are worse than ever.

"Marijuana, meth, coke, you name it," he said. "A number of the meth cookers are right over in this community. They are busting them so hard in the cities, they are going rural."

I'm bumping up this post for Auburn. We have what the locals call "the backroad" where I live. Nice place to walk or bike during the day. Scary at night because of the activity that goes on. Because of this case I'm rethinking the nice place during the day impression of my local road.

[EnvoyDriver61]

If it is a group (3-6) of locals who did a thrill kill, sooner or later one of them will talk. Looking at the local school district stats, 75% of the area earns $49,000 or less per year.

With the reward up to half a year's earnings, someone will talk, if it's local.

If it is a gang situation, which I personally think someone traveling more than an hour's drive from the two local hotbeds is a bit much to ask, maybe they won't talk.

[Lucy's mom]

I think the title is misleading and not true. But I'm posting this anyways just in case:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/orl-usnews12_108jun12,0,5090185.story

Pair of guns found near girls' bodies, investigators say
That makes absolutely no sense from everything else we've read! I guess bad choice of words.

[poco]

LIVE @ 2 P.M.: News Conference On Weleetka Killings (http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html)

They might have a witness!


http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

Couldn't get it to play for me - is that 2 pm eastern or central time or what?

maybe i'll just go turn my tv on

[Torsade]

I just don't see why two young girls would leave home, walk 15 minutes to a bridge, then turn right around and head home. That is assuming that they have evidence that the girls reached the bridge. I would think they would hang around there, not just turn around and head right back. But according to that map, they were shot between Taylor's home and the bridge. And there's a very narrow time frame for all this to happen in.
If they went to the bridge, then they travelled 1.25 miles in less than 30 minutes:
3/4 mile to the bridge
1/2 mile back to where they were found
That doesn't allow for any time for goofing off at the bridge, which makes me think they saw something there. Not necessarily drugs, but it had to be something criminal enough that the perpetrator had to kill them to prevent them from telling.
(and then there's one more scenario too creepy to even think let alone type)

[absinthe]

I just don't see why two young girls would leave home, walk 15 minutes to a bridge, then turn right around and head home. That is assuming that they have evidence that the girls reached the bridge. I would think they would hang around there, not just turn around and head right back. But according to that map, they were shot between Taylor's home and the bridge. And there's a very narrow time frame for all this to happen in.
If they went to the bridge, then they travelled 1.25 miles in less than 30 minutes:
3/4 mile to the bridge
1/2 mile back to where they were found
That doesn't allow for any time for goofing off at the bridge, which makes me think they saw something there. Not necessarily drugs, but it had to be something criminal enough that the perpetrator had to kill them to prevent them from telling.
(and then there's one more scenario too creepy to even think let alone type)

What??

[poco]

I just don't see why two young girls would leave home, walk 15 minutes to a bridge, then turn right around and head home. That is assuming that they have evidence that the girls reached the bridge. I would think they would hang around there, not just turn around and head right back. But according to that map, they were shot between Taylor's home and the bridge. And there's a very narrow time frame for all this to happen in.
If they went to the bridge, then they travelled 1.25 miles in less than 30 minutes:
3/4 mile to the bridge
1/2 mile back to where they were found
That doesn't allow for any time for goofing off at the bridge, which makes me think they saw something there. Not necessarily drugs, but it had to be something criminal enough that the perpetrator had to kill them to prevent them from telling.
(and then there's one more scenario too creepy to even think let alone type)

Did I read somewhere where the grandfather had told the one little girl to come right back - dinner or something?

[CarpeDiem]

WELEETKA, Okla. -- A source told Eyewitness News 5 Thursday that law enforcement officials are interviewing somebody who claims to have seen two slain girls moments before they were killed.
http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

Great! If they saw the girls...chances are good they would have seen the shooters. Now they might be getting somewhere!! (LE better protect their identity at all cost, too.) There is no question as to why this information wasn't given to LE moments after the murders. The person witheld it for a good reason. Fear of retalitation would be my guess.

I didn't see where it said the info wasn't given to LE right after the murders. :waitasec: I get the impression that the press is just now finding out about it, via leaks, and just now reporting it.

[SeriouslySearching]

If it is a gang situation, which I personally think someone traveling more than an hour's drive from the two local hotbeds is a bit much to ask, maybe they won't talk.Where do you think they make their transactions for drugs and guns? Where do think those things come from? Oklahoma is the pipeline to the rest of the country because of location and the unpopulated areas with the lack of coverage from LE. Counties in OK have a limited number of officers to cover as much as 2,000 square miles. Most small towns have two or three officers (if they have any) and rural areas rely on the Sheriff's Dept. only.

[strach304]

I think that who ever did this was up to no good and the girls may have seen something or someone they could identify. Maybe even the car plates if not the individuals. I think that is what prompted this..the perps where up to something and knew the girls saw something and could ID them.

That's what I think too. A murder is what they saw. Even if the killers came out of the woods and then saw the girls they couldn't be sure exactly what they saw if anything but would recall specifics when questioned by LE. Wouldn't have to be locals at all just an off road that looked like a good place to do it. They could've killed someone in the woods and was placing the body in the trunk or truck bed to dump at another location. This is another possibilty that would explain the situation and manner they were killed.

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't see where it said the info wasn't given to LE right after the murders. :waitasec: I get the impression that the press is just now finding out about it, via leaks, and just now reporting it.Could be now that you mention it. Maybe that is where they first got the idea there were 3 suspects and then backed off.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Torsade! Sorry I didn't say Hello sooner.

[Torsade]

OT: Thank you all for the welcome.

[Marstan]

Have any of you seen printed where anyone heard gunshots? Especially the high powered gun would be loud. The girls were not that far away from the family home nor the neighbor who had seen them walking by. I feel so sorry for the families of these precious children.

I haven't had time to read up on everything here, mostly I have been just hearing the news and watching my grandson, and that takes up most of my time.

[absinthe]

Can a high powered gun be silenced?

[SeriouslySearching]

There has been no mention of anyone hearing gunshots, but in the area it is a normal occurrence and people would not have been alarmed at the sound. The group of boys were shooting off their shotguns at the bridge that day, too.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can a high powered gun be silenced?Absolutely.

[XcomSquaddie]

Can a high powered gun be silenced?

Yes, but it likely wasn't necessary.

(I doubt that gangbangers are going to have silenced weapons. Most silenced weapons are small calibre, usually .22's. Larger guns can be silenced but the silencers are larger and they aren't as quiet. Only military class guns would be truly quiet.)

First, the area was used as a shooting range by the locals. Gunshots would be common. If the shooters were locals or outsiders familiar with the area, they would know this.

Second, the killers shot and ran. They didn't care about noise, they were long gone by the time the bodies were found.

ETA: Terrain (hills and forest) can severely muffle the sound of gunfire. It is not inconceivable that the shots would have been audible at the girl's home.

[Trino]

Have any of you seen printed where anyone heard gunshots? Especially the high powered gun would be loud. The girls were not that far away from the family home nor the neighbor who had seen them walking by. I feel so sorry for the families of these precious children.

I haven't had time to read up on everything here, mostly I have been just hearing the news and watching my grandson, and that takes up most of my time.

Apparently, shooting is a favorite pasttime, so people don't really pay attention to shooters. If I recall correctly, no one has stated they heard shots prior to the killings.

As to the witness, the media is reporting this person saw the girls just prior to the shooting, but there is no word on seeing anyone else. It sounds like the shooter(s) did a U-turn, which could account for the witness not seeing another vehicle.

I still wonder about the boys who were shooting. Although they were 3 miles away, it doesn't take long to drive 3 miles. Maybe they did a thrill killing after practice shooting the 3 miles away. One would think, however, that their guns have been examined and must not be the right ones.

[SeriouslySearching]

If the witness saw the girls shortly before...it would depend on the direction they were traveling. Coming towards Taylor's house, they may not have seen the other vehicle. However, traveling the other way...it would make sense they did because the car would have been coming towards them or in the area right before the murders. The key is that they saw the girls shortly before so the other vehicle was near there at the time.

[poco]

If the witness saw the girls shortly before...it would depend on the direction they were traveling. Coming towards Taylor's house, they may not have seen the other vehicle. However, traveling the other way...it would make sense they did because the car would have been coming towards them or in the area right before the murders. The key is that they saw the girls shortly before so the other vehicle was near there at the time.

IF ANYONE HEARS OF A NEWS CONFERENCE OR ANY SHOW THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS TRAGEDY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANKS!!!

(and welcome Torsade - is this the case that brought you to WS?)

[SeriouslySearching]

A spokesman with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said detectives still have no suspects in the girls' deaths. Investigators are back at the scene on Thursday, authorities said, looking into angles from where the girls were found.

http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

WELEETKA — Investigators have blocked off the dirt road this afternoon where two girls were found shot to death Sunday evening.

Agents can be seen using global positioning devices, possibly to map the area where Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, were found shot to death in a ditch along a dirt road less than a mile from Taylor's home Sunday evening.

http://newsok.com/area-near-weleetka-where-slain-girls-were-found-searched-again/article/3256493/?tm=1213292622

[SeriouslySearching]

A news briefing has been scheduled for 2 p.m. this afternoon at the Okfuskee County Courthouse in Okemah.

http://newsok.com/area-near-weleetka-where-slain-girls-were-found-searched-again/article/3256493/?tm=1213292622

[oceanblueeyes]

IF ANYONE HEARS OF A NEWS CONFERENCE OR ANY SHOW THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THIS TRAGEDY, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. THANKS!!!

(and welcome Torsade - is this the case that brought you to WS?)

Is the PC at 2:00 EST or at 3:00?

thanks

[SeriouslySearching]

Hah~! I guess my kvetching to the news stations paid off!!

Investigators are planning to update the case during a Thursday afternoon news conference. NewsOn6.com plans to carry the news conference live beginning at approximately 2:00 p.m.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8481653

We are CST.

[philamena]

I just don't see why two young girls would leave home, walk 15 minutes to a bridge, then turn right around and head home.


LOL, seriously, because that's what kids do.
When my girls were around that age, they could walk to the creek behind the house--15 minutes up, 15 minutes back with a cell phone. It made the kids feel a little grown up because we didn't do the mall drop off thing.
So they had 30 minutes walking time.

Now of course we have to look at what happened to these 2 precious girls. :(

[SuziQ]

Presser in half an hour. Here is another link:

http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html

[EnvoyDriver61]

I don't think they made it all the way to the bridge. It looks to be at least 3/4 mile from the girls house. Plus, they were found on the right side of the road to the side, as if a car had just come up from behind them (or they were accustomed to staying near the edge of the road while walking just in case a car came up behind them). It looks like they were still walking toward the bridge, not away from it from the position of the bodies and the various pictures I've seen of the memorials.

I read one article that says the 911 call from the grandfather was at 5:41 p.m. and that he had walked the road to find the girls after they didn't answer the cell phone. I wish we knew when Skyla's mother called to say she was coming by to pick her up (which also doesn't make sense if the sleepover was Sunday evening, why pick her up that evening).

There was another interview where Skyla's mother says she felt something was wrong when she was driving up and saw Taylor's grandfather by the side of the road. So, did she arrive after the call, but before the authorities where there?

Anway, from the reports, I don't think they made it to the bridge. I don't think they saw anything, and it makes it sound like they may have been killed between 5:10 and 5:20, closer to the start of the walk than the end of it.

[oceanblueeyes]

A spokesman with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said detectives still have no suspects in the girls' deaths. Investigators are back at the scene on Thursday, authorities said, looking into angles from where the girls were found.

http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

WELEETKA — Investigators have blocked off the dirt road this afternoon where two girls were found shot to death Sunday evening.

Agents can be seen using global positioning devices, possibly to map the area where Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, were found shot to death in a ditch along a dirt road less than a mile from Taylor's home Sunday evening.

http://newsok.com/area-near-weleetka-where-slain-girls-were-found-searched-again/article/3256493/?tm=1213292622


I am so glad they are back with their GPS devices. They know how the children fell, they know the shots were to the front and they know if the bullets entered at an angle and if it was right, left, downward, etc.......so they will be able to position themselves where the shooters were when they fired the shots.

Hopefully LE is keeping mum about what all that the eye witness told them they saw. They may want that out there that there is an eye witness to put pressure on the shooters and make them worry about if they were seen.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

Reports from LE state the girls were on the way back. I would assume this had to do with footprints from the girls to verify it.

[Talisman]

This crime just breaks my heart.

Thank you to all that have kept updating with links and news. ( I don't have cable or satellite - rabbit ears only - which means static only here in hilly northwest Pa.)

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think they made it all the way to the bridge. It looks to be at least 3/4 mile from the girls house. Plus, they were found on the right side of the road to the side, as if a car had just come up from behind them (or they were accustomed to staying near the edge of the road while walking just in case a car came up behind them). It looks like they were still walking toward the bridge, not away from it from the position of the bodies and the various pictures I've seen of the memorials.

I read one article that says the 911 call from the grandfather was at 5:41 p.m. and that he had walked the road to find the girls after they didn't answer the cell phone. I wish we knew when Skyla's mother called to say she was coming by to pick her up (which also doesn't make sense if the sleepover was Sunday evening, why pick her up that evening).

There was another interview where Skyla's mother says she felt something was wrong when she was driving up and saw Taylor's grandfather by the side of the road. So, did she arrive after the call, but before the authorities where there?

Anyway, from the reports, I don't think they made it to the bridge. I don't think they saw anything, and it makes it sound like they may have been killed between 5:10 and 5:20, closer to the start of the walk than the end of it.

I think the sleepover was on the weekend and Skyla's mother was picking her up from it Sunday afternoon.

She was on the way to pick her daughter up going down that same road when Mr. Placker stopped her and wouldn't let her go any further. She arrived before LE got to the scene. The cell call was made after she had called Taylor's grandmother saying that she was picking up Skyla. The kids had just left shortly before and had left the house around 5pm I think.

I think LE said they never made it to the bridge that it was over a 1/2 mile from where their bodies were found.

imoo

[SuziQ]

Live feed is up. Sound checks going on.

http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html

[christine2448]

I think the sleepover was on the weekend and Skyla's mother was picking her up from it Sunday afternoon.

She was on the way to pick her daughter up going down that same road when Mr. Placker stopped her and wouldn't let her go any further. She arrived before LE got to the scene. The cell call was made after she had called Taylor's grandmother saying that she was picking up Skyla. The kids had just left shortly before and had left the house around 5pm I think.

I think LE said they never made it to the bridge that it was over a 1/2 mile from where their bodies were found.

imoo

I agree, fwiw, w/everything above, except that LE said they never made it to the bridge. IIRC, it has been stated they DID make to to the bridge and were on their way back......maybe that was initally and now they are saying different?

[Desertsand]

I am a many year lurker. Never had the confidence to post. I was born and raised in Okmulgee, visited Henryetta and Dewar every weekend. (Grandparents) This case just breaks my heart. When I lived there it was a quiet serene place, no fear of walking down a dirt road in broad daylight. I am sure the innocences of that has long past. I do believe that this was done by locals. The teens now days seem to have no regard for life, I do believe that the girls came upon something illegal going down and were therefore targeted to silence them. I am not familiar with the gang activities around these parts so don't know if it could be gang involement. It is kind of hard for me to think of gangs in such small communities because of everyone knowing everyone. Doesn't seem they could get away with much, as SS spoke that in Oklahoma City and Tulsa they are prolific, but in a very small town?

I hope they catch these people and soon. I'm off to watch the press conference now.

[christine2448]

Investigators return to scene:

Crime scene investigators returned today to the back country road near Weleetka where two young girls were discovered shot to death four days ago.
Spokeswoman Jessica Brown of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation called the return typical.
Investigators will walk the scene and discuss evidence.
Authorities still have no motive or suspect information in the deaths of 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker.

http://www.kswo.com/Global/story.asp?S=8481852

[XcomSquaddie]

The tests showed that two different-caliber guns were used to kill the girls, but it isn't clear whether the guns were handguns or long guns.

That means that if they were longarms (ie rifles) they were light calibre. There are rifles (carbines really) that fire 9mm and .40S&W pistol rounds. ETA: Also, submachineguns (like Uzi's) often fire 9mm rounds.

"Where we were looking for one [shooter], possibly two, now it looks more likely there are two or more," Special Agent Ben Rosser of the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said at a press conference Wednesday.

Two or more? As in taking turns shooting or multiple weapons hitting each girl?

That's a fairly chilling scenario. Almost sounds like a firing squad.

[SuziQ]

When asked about if the witness provided description and names of the shooters, the spokesman paused and gave great thought to his answer, then said the witness provided no names. When asked again about a description, he said he'd rather not comment on that right now.

[SuziQ]

Also, both girls were shot with both guns.

[harleysnana]

A news briefing has been scheduled for 2 p.m. this afternoon at the Okfuskee County Courthouse in Okemah.

http://newsok.com/area-near-weleetka-where-slain-girls-were-found-searched-again/article/3256493/?tm=1213292622

The guy talking was asked if the "witness" gave names or descriptions
of anyone other than the girls... he said
"No names" and then someone asked "any descriptions of someone besides the girls" and he said "I won't comment on that at this time"....

[XcomSquaddie]

When asked about if the witnessed provided description and names of the shooters, the spokesman paused and gave great thought to his answer, then said the witness provided no names. When asked again about a description, he said he'd rather not comment on that right now.

That's significant.

[harleysnana]

When asked about if the witness provided description and names of the shooters, the spokesman paused and gave great thought to his answer, then said the witness provided no names. When asked again about a description, he said he'd rather not comment on that right now.

:blowkiss:We must have posted at the same time!
I found that comment VERY interesting!

[SuziQ]

Reporter just asked about a 19 year old known to stalk young girls in the area and the spokesman said he doesn't know anything about that. He also said the area is not a drug haven.

ETA: he's not ruling the drug connection out though. Saying someone could have pulled over to shoot up or something.

[SuziQ]

:blowkiss:We must have posted at the same time!
I found that comment VERY interesting!

Interesting and hopefully means they have a solid lead.