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SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 07:02 AM
They are reporting this on our local news and LE is still working the scene. It happened near the town of Weleetka, OK on a desolate county road around 5:30 pm on Sunday.

The two young friends had gone for a walk while waiting on one girl's mother to pick her up from a sleep-over. When they didn't return, a relative (reportedly the father) found them both shot on the side of the road about a quarter of a mile from their house. The scene was reported as being "grisly". OSBI and the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Dept. are trying to piece together any evidence at the scene.

Here is the report finally:

Tragedy Hits A Small Town

An investigation is underway into a double homicide in Okfuskee County.

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation says an 11-year old girl and her 13-year old friend left an apartment Sunday in Weeletka and went for a walk. A short time later, the older girl's father found them both dead along a dirt road.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8450014 < Story has one girl's photo

Video: http://www.newson6.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=2570760&h1=Two&#37;20Girls%20Killed%20In%20Weeletka&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=155000&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=9&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.newson6.com/global/story.asp%3Fs%3D8450014&rnd=66670487

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 09:34 AM
I wonder if they came upon a drug deal? I know that drugs in that area are prevalent with Meth being huge.

I would hate to suspect the father, but we all know these things do happen. They said the girls were not gone very long when he went to find them. I am also curious now that they state they left an "apartment". The original reports were indicating the home was in the country on this desolate county road. I find that to be a strange discrepancy.

Taximom
06-09-2008, 09:49 AM
What time of day/night was it that they went for this walk? I would be questioning the dad too. I hope he's not a molester and saw only one way out. (Sorry to all the good dads out there.)

This is horrible. :( :mad:

I'm SO glad they have OSBI working on this since it is rural.

nanandjim
06-09-2008, 10:19 AM
I also hate to suspect the father...BUT...The person that finds them is a suspect...until he can be eliminated. My imagination is running wild with the father as the central figure in all of this. I hope that I am wrong.

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 10:32 AM
They said it was 5:30 pm Sunday evening. It would have been broad daylight. The other interesting note is that it was nearing time for the girl's mother to come pick her up from the sleepover the night before. The TOD will be critical in this case.

blaize
06-09-2008, 10:45 AM
Awful story. I too hope it doesn't turn out to be the dad.

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 10:48 AM
They say they are gathering very good evidence from the scene and have had a lot of tips rolling in since the news broke. I hope it won't take long to track down the person responsible. What a horrific thing for the families!

I cannot imagine being the poor girl's mother on her way to pick her up and getting there to find she is gone in such a brutal manner. A nightmare!

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 10:55 AM
WELEETKA — Two girls were found dead last night north of Weleetka in Okfuskee County, authorities said.

Their names haven't been released, but their ages are 11 and 13.

About 5:30 p.m. Sunday, the girls went for a walk. A short time later, the father of one of the girls began searching for them after he became concerned when they didn’t return home. The man found the bodies of the girls about one-quarter mile from his home near a dirt road.

"This is a case that involves two innocent girls that were walking out on their own," said Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence. "Some evidence has been found at the scene which may be useful to us. We have spent a lot of time going down this road looking for evidence."

http://newsok.com/article/3254870

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 11:03 AM
List of sex offenders living in Weleetka, OK:

ODOC# 176500 Timothy P Creech

ODOC# 159542 Will Ernest Frye Jr

ODOC# 449823 Michael James Hensley

ODOC# 383029 Billy Ray Walker Jr

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=428&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&SearchMode=Registry&undefined=ALL&SearchAW=ALL&SearchOpt=ALL&jurisdiction=2765

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 11:17 AM
I don't understand why the news is so slow in coming out about this. If it happened yesterday, they should be all over this by now. Most of the news reports are on air, but not online. I have so many questions already.

Was there anyone else in the home where the girls spent the night besides the father? Did the mother of the other girl talk to her before the walk or during the day? Did the father know specifically the girls were going to walk down an isolated road and it is why he knew to look for them there? Were they sexually assaulted? How long were they actually gone?

Taximom
06-09-2008, 11:37 AM
I have a feeling since OSBI is involved, lips are tight! It's much more interesting when local LE is talking with the media though, isn't it?

This is just so weird. One would think RSO's (or even unregistereds) would want to pick the girls up and not hurt them at that moment. If they resisted maybe they got shot? Then again, we need more info like SS is asking. I still need more info about the dad. Do we know names yet? I'd love to see if he's got anything in his background. Just curious right now, not blaming.

I hope LE is on it like we expect.

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 11:37 AM
Video: http://www.koco.com/video/16547226/index.html <Skyla's grandmother's interview

One girl is identified as: 11 yo Skyla Whitaker. (The one visiting and not the daughter.)

It shows a home not an apartment and refers to it as a house.

The grandmother said they thought they were always safe walking up and down their road. The officer said it was a common activity for them.

blaize
06-09-2008, 12:49 PM
In the video it looks like a rural area so I understand why the families would think the road close to home would be safe enough to take strolls on. Was the woman in the last video the grandmother or the mom? I ask because she seems completely flat, in shock, totally numb except for that one reference to the child saying 'I know'.

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 01:22 PM
They identify her as Claudia Farrow, Skyla's Grandmother.

They still are not releasing the name of the other girl which I find odd.

blaize
06-09-2008, 01:45 PM
Thanks SS. Yes that is odd, maybe someone in the family hasn't yet been notified of her death?

noZme
06-09-2008, 01:46 PM
Maybe the other girl's name has not been released because all family notifications have nor been made.

One of the reports last night said there had been a storm & downpour.... that would make evidence recovery difficult. I hope investigators were able to salvage enough forensics to make a good case.

Who else is wondering about the father? It's hard not jumping ahead, isn't it? It does look rural; a couple reports have said the girls often walked that route. My alternate theory is girls that age may have been meeting a boy down the road. For all involved, I hope the solution comes soon.

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 02:19 PM
One of the locals on the comments section mentioned the rumor is that the girls were meeting a couple of boys on ATVs. It is only chatter, but we know how word does get out at times from the local grapevine. The girls also attend a school at Graham according to those posters, too. (must be a tiny community as I have never heard of it)

philamena
06-09-2008, 02:26 PM
I also hate to suspect the father...BUT...The person that finds them is a suspect...until he can be eliminated. My imagination is running wild with the father as the central figure in all of this. I hope that I am wrong.
I totally agree nan.
The girl's murders themselves is horrible enough.
To think that a family member committed the crime is sickening.
Most murdered children are killed by someone they know. That is a proven statistic. :(

SuziQ
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
I want a TOD and timeline on this. Absolutely horrible crime.

absinthe
06-09-2008, 02:42 PM
Absolutely horrible crime.


I am speechless but I echo this sentiment..

SuziQ
06-09-2008, 02:44 PM
I wonder who the suspect is?

http://newsok.com/article/3254870

Investigators combed the area last night before heavy rains hit the area. Tire tracks were found on the dirt road and were preserved, as well as other evidence found at the scene. Choate (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jack+Choate&CATEGORY=PERSON) said there is a suspect in the case.

BrowneyedEmily
06-09-2008, 02:47 PM
Me too. Hopefully it's someone they can catch today. This guy/these guys need to get off the street.


I'm leaning towards what someone else mentioned, that it was a drug deal:

"Sheriff's officials said they have some leads but no official suspects yet. They think that whoever killed the girls is probably local to the area and that the girls might have stumbled upon something they weren't supposed to see."

http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 02:50 PM
Her name is Taylor Placker, 13 years old.

If they have a suspect, it won't take them long to round him up for questioning. Things move along pretty quickly in Oklahoma. They don't play games and go right to the heart of the matter. (Notice he said "suspect" not POI.) I guess it could be why I get so impatient with other agencies across the country.

Beyond Belief
06-09-2008, 08:59 PM
I hope this is solved quickly. These murderers need to be off the streets.

southcitymom
06-09-2008, 09:33 PM
I hope this is solved quickly. These murderers need to be off the streets.

It sounds like they are making some good headway if there is already a suspect. My prayers for all the families.

philamena
06-09-2008, 09:48 PM
This article gives different information.

http://www.hdnews.net/wirestories/k1085-BC-OK-GirlsKilled-5thLd-Writethru-06-09-0432
SNIP

The bodies of two young girls shot to death near the small town of Weleetka in Okfuskee County were discovered by the grandfather of one of the best friends,
SNIP


Stan Florence, an inspector with the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, confirmed the names of the girls Monday. Florence said the victims were shot "multiple times" and it was unknown if they were molested.
:( :(

I'm leaning towards the girls seeing something they were not suppose to see.
This is a heartbreaking case.

Beyond Belief
06-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Greta's going to cover this in a few minutes.

MeoW333
06-09-2008, 10:21 PM
They sounded like such sweet girls, my prayers for their families and that they catch the SOB soon.

philamena
06-09-2008, 10:39 PM
http://www.kjrh.com/content/news/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=1ba65326-f57b-4cf1-b22c-f3bffcad67ba


Sheriff Choate tells 2NEWS that his investigators have interviewed "persons of interest" in the case, as well as several possible witnesses.


That makes me feel sicker. PersonS of interest and witnesses ie plural, more than one. :0 :(

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 11:41 PM
Yes, it looks like there could be more than one person involved which I think might make it easier to bring her killer/killers to justice. I can't believe multiple gunshots. How difficult was it for them to overtake two little girls?! How sad. :( I can hardly wait until these creeps are caught.

After listening to the news reports at ten, I did hear that the grandparents were raising Taylor so the reason for the confusion between Grandmother/mom and Grandfather/father. Taylor's grandfather first called her cell phone and got worried when he found no answer.

Here are a couple of more reports:

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8450014

http://www.newsok.com/article/3254870/

txsvicki
06-10-2008, 01:02 AM
How far had the girls walked? It's odd that no one heard the gunshots. I just can't imagine why the girls would be shot multiple times for just seeing something. What the heck could they have seen in a short period of time in the late afternoon.

MeoW333
06-10-2008, 08:10 AM
"Their bodies were found along an isolated road. Hardscrabble homes along the county road are spread out and as much as mile apart in some places."
http://www.newsok.com/article/3254870/

If the homes are very far apart, and or gunshots are common with hunting in the area, gunshots may have went unnoticed. It definitely sounds as if it's very rural. I would hope they can find out what kind of gun was used with ballistics there or send what they need to out for testing.
I am wondering about the possibly that they wandered unto something they shouldn't have as well; or a pervert got to them. Maybe both, Lord knows..

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 08:15 AM
They just had some girl on the news that spoke of 3 possible suspects.

I mentioned earlier about the meth, but there is also a gang element that hail not from far the area. They easily could have come up on a rolling meth lab or drug deal.

I am glad they found the girls dressed etc. because it means maybe they didn't have to suffer sexual assault first and the torture. :( As if it couldn't be any worse than it already is.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 08:23 AM
Investigators did find the girls' tracks, and could tell that the girls were left where they were shot.

Choate said officers were able to identify some possible tire tracks, and they had some "persons of interest” they were interviewing Monday. But as the day came to a close, none of those interviews had solved the case.

"I don't know if we are going to have an arrest tonight,” Choate said Monday afternoon. "I really wish we did, but I don't know that it's going to happen.”

http://www.newsok.com/article/3255279

ShannieMonkey
06-10-2008, 08:36 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364582,00.html

Oklahoma police are searching for a motive in the double slayings of two young girls found dead Sunday night in a ditch along a rural road.

Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Whitaker, 11, were discovered by a relative after they failed to return from an afternoon walk on the county road south of Interstate 40 in Okfuskee County near Weleetka, Okla.

The deaths of the best friends were labeled "double homicide" by investigators, according to News9.com in Oklahoma City.

Clearly Confused
06-10-2008, 08:45 AM
I hope someone from either girl's family is not involved. I found it strange that a relative found them.

SewingDeb
06-10-2008, 08:48 AM
I heard about this on TV last night. The police say they are not ruling out anything.

This is/was considered a very safe area.

nanandjim
06-10-2008, 08:49 AM
Sad. I wonder if it were a drug deal or if someone was growing pot in that desolate area. The reason that I thought of marijuana is that I'd always heard not to wander off hiking trails in Hawaii or you could end up dead. There were apparently some major pot growers on the various islands who would shoot to kill if you wandered into an area where they were growing their plants. :(

Clearly Confused
06-10-2008, 08:54 AM
I'm leaning toward a relative on this one. I pray that's not the case.

nanandjim
06-10-2008, 08:55 AM
I'm leaning toward a relative on this one. I pray that's not the case.
I at first thought that it was a relative, too. I think that I read that they have three persons of interest. If this is the case, I think that would eliminate relatives.

Clearly Confused
06-10-2008, 09:01 AM
I at first thought that it was a relative, too. I think that I read that they have three persons of interest. If this is the case, I think that would eliminate relatives.

I pray that is the case.

Taximom
06-10-2008, 09:15 AM
This is SO horrible. I hope they find the creep(s) that did this.

kahskye
06-10-2008, 10:27 AM
I'm just wondering if it was nothing more than a drive-by shooting by a carload of teens who have no respect for life? The girls are young, but I had friends smoking pot at 13. Maybe they were buying a bag and they handed over their money and were shot. There's so many scenarios to be played here.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 11:30 AM
Three suspects sought in Weleetka killings

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8450380

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 11:36 AM
The Investigation: What happened?

http://newsok.com/article/3255283/

Guest book: Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker (http://newsok.com/link/2218)
Guest book: Skyla Jade Whitaker (http://newsok.com/link/2219)

MeoW333
06-10-2008, 11:58 AM
One of the locals on the comments section mentioned the rumor is that the girls were meeting a couple of boys on ATVs. It is only chatter, but we know how word does get out at times from the local grapevine. The girls also attend a school at Graham according to those posters, too. (must be a tiny community as I have never heard of it)

Was that rumor confirmed at all? I wonder if there was some local boys who decided it "fun" to shoot them. We here about kids doing sick things these days; killing their families and everything else..

Taximom
06-10-2008, 12:03 PM
I know kids here that age are capable of horrible things. I'm sure it's the same there. Reading about her grandfather's reaction as he came up on the scene is so sad. :( :( It makes me sick that someone could do something like this and just walk away. :mad:

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 12:36 PM
IMO, it sounds like LE has their person, they are just trying to find links and motive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html

(snips)
There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence told FOX News.

We have "someone who we're interested in at this point," he said. "But we do have other leads, as well, that may lead us to other suspects."
Florence said they were acting on tips to identify the person's relationship with the grade-schoolers.
"We believe this person may have known these two girls," Florence said. "We're trying to establish the type of relationship, if there was one, where we can determine exactly what connection there was between them."

Investigators planned to hold a news conference at 3 p.m. ET to discuss the case

SailorMoon
06-10-2008, 12:47 PM
This is so sad. I think what is most disturbing is that they were shot multiple times. WHY?????

PandaJ
06-10-2008, 12:53 PM
IMO, it sounds like LE has their person, they are just trying to find links and motive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html

(snips)
There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence told FOX News.

We have "someone who we're interested in at this point," he said. "But we do have other leads, as well, that may lead us to other suspects."
Florence said they were acting on tips to identify the person's relationship with the grade-schoolers.
"We believe this person may have known these two girls," Florence said. "We're trying to establish the type of relationship, if there was one, where we can determine exactly what connection there was between them."

Investigators planned to hold a news conference at 3 p.m. ET to discuss the case

Thank you for posting this. I've been looking for updates all morning. This is truly heartbreaking. I can't even BELIEVE that it was possibly someone they knew who wanted them dead. What could two little girls possibly have done to make someone want to kill them?? There is no reason for such a senseless killing. This whole thing really saddens my heart.

Hopefully we will know a lot more from this press conference.

jmo

KR2tonenow
06-10-2008, 01:10 PM
Sad. I wonder if it were a drug deal or if someone was growing pot in that desolate area. The reason that I thought of marijuana is that I'd always heard not to wander off hiking trails in Hawaii or you could end up dead. There were apparently some major pot growers on the various islands who would shoot to kill if you wandered into an area where they were growing their plants. :(

Nan,
I think this a very good possibility! Unfortunate and sad, that children cannot walk anywhere anymore, even in remote areas!

Lucy's mom
06-10-2008, 01:36 PM
I'll be watching! I pray that have someone in custody.:furious:

http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 01:44 PM
It is so hard to wait. I am afraid I am not very patient today. It sounds like they are only going to announce the reward being offered and partial autopsy results, but I hope I am wrong.

Investigators say they have a person of interest, but so far no arrests have been made in connection with the slayings. The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation this morning announced a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person responsible for the shootings.

Investigators have scheduled a 2 p.m. news conference today at the Okfuskee County Courthouse in Okemah.

Autopsies performed Monday on the girls show that they had been shot in the head and chest, said Kevin Rowland, chief medical examiner. Rowland did not release any other details. The girls were found wearing T-shirts and shorts.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3255420/ (Bolded by me)

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 02:13 PM
I am trying to track down a live feed for the presser, but haven't found any yet. I will try to be here to give you reports tho.

SewingDeb
06-10-2008, 02:18 PM
Thank you!

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 02:44 PM
Investigators planned to hold a news conference at 3 p.m. ET to discuss the case

Thanks, SQ, for this information. I hope they'll broadcast this on one of the cable news shows. Does anyone know if they will?

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 02:45 PM
I don't believe this! I called our main local tv stations and none are going to carry the presser live! WTH?!?! I let them know what I thought about that, too! They don't have live feeds either. They said they would have coverage on their evening news. GRRRRRR~

SewingDeb
06-10-2008, 02:47 PM
I guess we will have to wait then.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 03:00 PM
possible live feed at the below link, nothing happening at the below link though:

http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 03:01 PM
presser is up!

Lucy's mom
06-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Go onto this website to view it. I hope it works for you!

http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 03:06 PM
Girls left Taylors house at 5pm and they were located at 5:30. This happened very fast.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 03:07 PM
No POI, no suspect.

kahskye
06-10-2008, 03:07 PM
Did anyone else notice that both girls were the only girl in their class at school?

Lucy's mom
06-10-2008, 03:12 PM
Yeah, the live news conference really didn't tell us anything we don't already know. They are going to run this case on America's Most Wanted on Saturday. It almost sounds like the media was running with the story that there is a potential suspect or POI but from what the sherriff was saying, they don't have any leads. Did any of you get that as well?

BrowneyedEmily
06-10-2008, 03:14 PM
Yeah, definitely. Let's hope they hurry things along - they could be losing ground.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 03:14 PM
Girls left Taylors house at 5pm and they were located at 5:30. This happened very fast.

Sounds like they did stumble across something illegal going on out there.

Taximom
06-10-2008, 03:16 PM
Thanks for giving media a piece of your (our!) mind, SS. I can't believe this case doesn't have a suspect right now. Surely someone is acting very strange in that small town.

I will pray this case doesn't turn cold like so many others here. :(

SailorMoon
06-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Thanks for giving media a piece of your (our!) mind, SS. I can't believe this case doesn't have a suspect right now. Surely someone is acting very strange in that small town.

I will pray this case doesn't turn cold like so many others here. :(

Amen and how.

What a tragedy.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 03:25 PM
It ticks me off that OSBI or someone is backpedaling from what the Sheriff's Deputy said yesterday about having a suspect. Either they do or they don't...someone is mistaken in LE and here I was talking so good about them n all. (shaking my head)

calidreamin
06-10-2008, 04:14 PM
Thanks for giving media a piece of your (our!) mind, SS. I can't believe this case doesn't have a suspect right now. Surely someone is acting very strange in that small town.

I will pray this case doesn't turn cold like so many others here. :(

Lets all pray that doesn't happen TM. What a horrible thing to happen, what kind of a monster could murder two little girls this way? I have a feeling in their walk they may have seen something illegal going on.:mad:

philamena
06-10-2008, 04:22 PM
http://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/8450380_BG2.jpghttp://kwtv.images.worldnow.com/images/8450380_BG1.jpg

May these angels rest in peace. :o:o

The pic on the left is Skylar.
The pic on the rightis Taylor.

philamena
06-10-2008, 04:34 PM
Three suspects sought in Weleetka killings

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8450380


SuziQ,
I think I need new glasses. lol :p
I cannot find anything in the above article that mentions 3 suspects. Can you help me?

philamena
06-10-2008, 04:36 PM
The Investigation: What happened?

http://newsok.com/article/3255283/





Fresh tire tracks made a U-turn where the girls' bodies were. Investigators said they found other evidence that helped them identify a "person of interest.

Humm Would like to know what the other evidence is.:confused:


From post 48:


"We believe this person may have known these two girls,"
:waitasec:

Jen_in_Indy
06-10-2008, 04:38 PM
Humm Would like to know what the other evidence is.

Perhaps shell casings? Or footprints? Just guessing.

philamena
06-10-2008, 04:39 PM
I bet you're right Jen.

KR2tonenow
06-10-2008, 04:51 PM
Let's hope Greta can get a better read on this. Really tired of LE stonewalling!

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 05:14 PM
http://www.newsok.com/article/3255420/ (Bolded by me)

From SS's link:

"We're not sure whether it was somebody passing by," Ross (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Ross&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "It's an active area for people to throw from the bridge, shoot from the bridge."
Ross (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Ross&CATEGORY=PERSON) said the road, while remote, the road gets a fair amount of local traffic. The investigation so far has been focused on people who may live in the area or be familiar with the country roads.
"It's not likely someone pulled of the interstate or the highway and just stopped there," Ross (http://www.newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Ross&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "It's possible they went to meet somebody, or interrupted something or maybe it was a personal attack."



What are people throwing from the bridge?

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 05:28 PM
In the sticks in Oklahoma, most likely rocks. LOL Things get pretty boring in small town America.

It is also customary to drive the backroads with a case of beer and smoke especially on a Sunday afternoon for a lot of those homegrown late teens to twentysomethings that never grew up which is why I think they mentioned the locals.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 05:37 PM
It also makes me wonder if it wasn't a drug drop between Dallas, TX and Tulsa, OK. Highway 75 is the backway to Dallas. Most people use I-35, but if you don't want to go on the main roads...you can take that route. LE in the area is sparse and it would be a prime area for something like that to occur.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 05:42 PM
It also makes me wonder if it wasn't a drug drop between Dallas, TX and Tulsa, OK. Highway 75 is the backway to Dallas. Most people use I-35, but if you don't want to go on the main roads...you can take that route. LE in the area is sparse and it would be a prime area for something like that to occur.

That sounds like a reasonable theory.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 05:43 PM
If that is the case, they will never find them unless someone just happened to see them before or afterwards.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 05:44 PM
In the sticks in Oklahoma, most likely rocks. LOL Things get pretty boring in small town America.



It reminded me of "Ode to Billy Joe.":)

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 05:44 PM
If that is the case, they will never find them unless someone just happened to see them before or afterwards.

Or someone tells someone something.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 05:53 PM
They just said on Headline news that the Sheriff said he wasn't letting his kids outside right now and how that spoke volumes about the danger of the situation.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 05:54 PM
Or someone tells someone something.If it was a drug deal between cities like that...it is gang related and no one will say anything to anyone. It is serious business.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 06:06 PM
They just said on Headline news that the Sheriff said he wasn't letting his kids outside right now and how that spoke volumes about the danger of the situation.

Yeah, it also makes it pretty clear that they have no idea at all who did it.
I cannot stand to think that someone could get away with this.:mad:

michelle
06-10-2008, 06:11 PM
This is so sad.

michelle
06-10-2008, 06:11 PM
Yeah, it also makes it pretty clear that they have no idea at all who did it.
I cannot stand to think that someone could get away with this.:mad:
I know, its makes my blood boil.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 06:49 PM
Yeah, it also makes it pretty clear that they have no idea at all who did it.
I cannot stand to think that someone could get away with this.:mad:It sent shivers down my spine when you said that. You are right, of course. He wouldn't say that if they had ANY clue. :mad:

Trino
06-10-2008, 07:09 PM
Drug dealers show no mercy. Remember the Port St. Lucie killings of an entire family, including the two children?

Why would a local kill these kids? For kicks? I just cannot imagine.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 07:28 PM
SuziQ,
I think I need new glasses. lol :p
I cannot find anything in the above article that mentions 3 suspects. Can you help me?

It sure doesn't! What I copy and pasted was the title of the article at that time. Evidently Channel9 news made a change in a big way after the presser. Which is curious, IIRC, the article made it sound like they were almost ready to make an arrest. So how do you go from THREE suspects to NONE?

IMO, LE thought wrongly that they had the right people and now are back to square one.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Drug dealers show no mercy. Remember the Port St. Lucie killings of an entire family, including the two children?

Why would a local kill these kids? For kicks? I just cannot imagine.

Makes you wonder. The spokesman at the presser pretty much ruled out even sexual assault because all of this happened within half an hour. And probably even quicker than that because Taylor's dad had tried to call to tell them to come home almost right after they left, and they didn't answer the phone.

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 07:36 PM
Here is a link to the presser for anyone that missed it.

Watch News Conference On Weleetka Slayings (http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html#)

KR2tonenow
06-10-2008, 07:51 PM
This is a new photo of Taylor.

<snip>

(CNN) -- Residents in a small Oklahoma town were warned Tuesday that the shooting deaths of two schoolgirls may be the work of someone who lives in the area.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/CRIME/06/10/ok.girls.deaths/art.girls.ap.jpg Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, shown at her school in 2006, was killed Sunday while on a walk with a friend.

"If it were me, I wouldn't let my kids out walking unless there were other people around that you knew," Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate said in a news conference Tuesday. "We don't know what the threat is." <snip>

Clearly at this point LE is baffled.

sweetheart29
06-10-2008, 08:01 PM
How far had the girls walked? It's odd that no one heard the gunshots. I just can't imagine why the girls would be shot multiple times for just seeing something. What the heck could they have seen in a short period of time in the late afternoon. Drug deal.


Sad. I wonder if it were a drug deal or if someone was growing pot in that desolate area. The reason that I thought of marijuana is that I'd always heard not to wander off hiking trails in Hawaii or you could end up dead. There were apparently some major pot growers on the various islands who would shoot to kill if you wandered into an area where they were growing their plants. :( I have heard that said all my life about the south eastern part Oklahoma. I lived there for the first 18 years of my life.


It also makes me wonder if it wasn't a drug drop between Dallas, TX and Tulsa, OK. Highway 75 is the backway to Dallas. Most people use I-35, but if you don't want to go on the main roads...you can take that route. LE in the area is sparse and it would be a prime area for something like that to occur.If you were going to to Dallas from Tulsa 75 south would be the shortest way. 75 turns in to Indian Nation Turnpike. If you take that all the way down you will be in Hugo ok. In Hugo you get on 271 south to Pairs Tx from Pairs you have a straight shot to Dallas. If you go that way It put you going though the towns I was talking about in the above post. If you use I 35 from Tulsa to Dallas you have to take 40 over to Okie City and get on I 35.


Makes you wonder. The spokesman at the presser pretty much ruled out even sexual assault because all of this happened within half an hour. And probably even quicker than that because Taylor's dad had tried to call to tell them to come home almost right after they left, and they didn't answer the phone. Why would the grandfather/dad called them right back to the house with 30 mins. of them leave. That just dont sound right.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 08:06 PM
Why would the grandfather/dad called them right back to the house with 30 mins. of them leave. That just dont sound right.

According to news reports, because Skylar's mother called just after they left to say she was coming over to pick up her daughter.

Mygirlsadie
06-10-2008, 08:21 PM
This is absolutely nuts! Two beautiful princesses out taking a innocent walk and then this happens? This is not fair..wth is going on & why?!?! :furious: Our kids can't play outside, little girls can't take a walk, parents are paranoid all over the country...somethings going to have to give!

BarnGoddess
06-10-2008, 08:28 PM
Well, when they're found, give them a trial, skip prison. Take them out and shoot them full of bullets. Prison is way too good for them.

SailorMoon
06-10-2008, 08:52 PM
Just wanted to chime in and say that I am in the Dallas area and go to Branson once or twice a year. We go up the 75 way through Oklahoma and then cut over on 40 up 540 and so on. I was curious as to where this was and was surprised to see that it wasn't too far up from where we go. I just don't know. When I go that way I don't like all the small towns I drive through and see a bunch of cops in them....so not sure if that were to be the preferred route for drug dealers. But who the heck knows.

I'm out in a rural area as well here in Big D that is, and with the tv and air running, couldn't say if you would necessarily hear the gun shots.

I have a feeling they were killed for a such a stupid senseless reason. What a tragedy.

Beyond Belief
06-10-2008, 08:53 PM
I would like them to get those bullets identified and check every gun in the area to see if they had been fired lately. I keep thinking they came upon a kid using "dad's' gun. He panicked afraid they would tell on him, so their dead.
Unless of course theres gang activity inthat area which I don't think there is.

bluestarzz
06-10-2008, 09:11 PM
I think that the girls knew their killer. Otherwise, why bother? unless they got in
the perps faces about what they were doing.
bluestarzz

SuziQ
06-10-2008, 09:27 PM
This case is now the lead story on CNN.Com. Not sure why yet, but I find the info that the bridge is a popular "gathering spot" interesting. In the presser it was stated that people shoot from the bridge. I'm pretty sure OSBI had suspects in sight. Why the backpedal?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/10/ok.girls.deaths/index.html

(snips)
Residents of a small Oklahoma town were warned Tuesday that the shooting deaths of two schoolgirls may be the work of someone who lives in the area.

"If it were me, I wouldn't let my kids out walking unless there were other people around that you knew," Okfuskee County Sheriff Jack Choate said Tuesday. "We don't know what the threat is."

The two left Taylor's home about 5 p.m. Sunday and headed north on the rural county road where Taylor lived, toward a bridge that is a popular gathering spot, Ross said.

A few minutes later, Taylor's grandfather and guardian called her cell phone to tell the girls to return home. When she didn't answer, he went out to look for them, according to Rosser.

Residents of a small Oklahoma town were warned Tuesday that the shooting deaths of two schoolgirls may be the work of someone who lives in the area.

englishleigh
06-10-2008, 09:35 PM
I think these two little girls innocently walked up on a drug deal, and I have a feeling in the end we will possibly find out it was someone they knew.

believe09
06-10-2008, 09:38 PM
(ducking) are we sure the perp was not the grandfather who found them?

philamena
06-10-2008, 09:44 PM
IMO, LE thought wrongly that they had the right people and now are back to square one.

It sounds like LE has back peddled. First there was a POI, then more than one and now none. :waitasec:
I hope the girls murderer(s) will be caught asap.

michelle
06-10-2008, 09:47 PM
(ducking) are we sure the perp was not the grandfather who found them?
Hey anything is possible, we know how these things turn out sometime. I dont think its him but who knows.

Snowlover77
06-10-2008, 09:47 PM
It's awful to say this but in this day and age it is the ones closest to the victim(s) that are first suspected and investigated for murder. Thje grandfather I am sure has been interviewed and is also being investigated. I wonder what is behind the grandparents having legal custody of the one girl. Does that have anything to do with the murders? It is too early to know anything concrete..other than they were shot and killed 300 yards from one of their homes.
It has the ring of drugs though because of the method of killing them......nothing suprises me anymore. I will follow this story daily.

philamena
06-10-2008, 09:48 PM
I would like them to get those bullets identified and check every gun in the area to see if they had been fired lately. I keep thinking they came upon a kid using "dad's' gun. He panicked afraid they would tell on him, so their dead.
Unless of course theres gang activity inthat area which I don't think there is.

I agree BeyondB.
Surely there is an adequet forensic investigation going on. That worries me in one sense because one newspaper stated that these murders were the first in the county in 5 years. :confused: Can they handle a double murder?

The bridge is a popular gathering spot. :o
..as in a place where the teens gather and a place that the preteens want to be part of?

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 09:56 PM
Because they are a small LE office, the OSBI is there to assist and will take care of the analysis of the bullets or other evidence.

Who thinks gangs are not yet in the smaller towns in Oklahoma? This was in our news today.

Gang Activity Threatens Small Towns

Posted: June 10, 2008 06:48 AM CDT

Updated: June 10, 2008 06:52 AM CDT

Law enforcement agencies from around the state are in Oklahoma City all week to deal with the growing threat of gang violence.

News On 6 reporter Charles Bassett reports it is a threat even small rural areas are now facing.

Authorities say gangs are moving into these smaller communities for a variety of reasons, but mainly members know the resources aren't always there to fight them and they can operate at will.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8456170

absinthe
06-10-2008, 09:58 PM
It reminded me of "Ode to Billy Joe.":)

Me too!!!

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:03 PM
Every small town around here has a place like that which is usually around water. Where I grew up, we had beautiful waterfalls and another place called the low water bridge with enormous rocks we could drive right out on that had a low waterfall. No one drowned and a good time was had by most for the majority of our teen years.

I think the first reports of the boys on the ATV might be the 3 they thought were solid leads or someone that was seen there around the time. They did say part of the problem with witnesses was that no one wore watches or paid much attention to the time.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:12 PM
It is coming up next on Greta and she says there are new developments. (I don't hold out much hope for that tho.)

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:25 PM
Nothing new so far. A guy from the Tulsa World Newspaper was interviewed and all he brought to the table was a description of the scene. He did confirm they found bullet casings, but said they could be from hunters in the area.

Mark F. is now on (woohoo!). He said you want to know how close they were to the victims. How close was the gun? He said he would start at the local "hang out place" and work backwards to the murder scene.

He said they have identified this as a MAJOR drug trafficing route.

Greta says it could be a thrill killing. Mark agrees that it could be...he says it seems like an urgency there like they wanted to be certain they were dead. He thinks that it is likely that the shooters were never planning to come back to that particular place. (He is leaning towards the drug trafficers) He wants to know which shots came first and the weapons used. He believes it is more than one person.

Reannan
06-10-2008, 10:40 PM
This crime is my worst nightmare. It is horrifying on all sorts of levels. Of course, the family that finds the victims HAS to be suspect number one. Then, we have the information that the victims were in "a known drug area". Layer all of this on the statements about the killer "really wanting the victims dead". In my opinion, it is either an elaborate staged murder by a family member, or a spontaneous murder by some idiot who was caught up in the moment of spree killing and over did it. Right now....I put my money on the second scenario. Perhaps some drugged out looser from school who didn't like the girls???

gardenmom
06-10-2008, 10:42 PM
It was very brutal. They were shot in the face and chest according to one of the articles I read.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:50 PM
I am going to go with my intial impression and say drug runners from out of the area. They didn't take time to talk to the girls. It wasn't sexual. It was more like a hit or a drive-by shooting, imo. It was all too quick. I think had it been someone local, there would have been some hesitation or bargaining if you will. Knowing the victims would have made it more difficult (I would hope).

I don't suspect the grandfather from what we have learned so far.

CarpeDiem
06-10-2008, 10:55 PM
(ducking) are we sure the perp was not the grandfather who found them?

That wouldn't surprise me a bit. :( They "went for a walk", why?? Why did they walk the road, why not the field(s) they liked to play in.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 10:56 PM
This crime is my worst nightmare. It is horrifying on all sorts of levels. Of course, the family that finds the victims HAS to be suspect number one. Then, we have the information that the victims were in "a known drug area". Layer all of this on the statements about the killer "really wanting the victims dead". In my opinion, it is either an elaborate staged murder by a family member, or a spontaneous murder by some idiot who was caught up in the moment of spree killing and over did it. Right now....I put my money on the second scenario. Perhaps some drugged out looser from school who didn't like the girls???

I just want to point out that Mark Furman said that I-40 was listed as a major drug route not that Weleetka area is a known drug area. I-40 stretches all the way across the country, from California to North Carolina, so it's not surprising that it is a route for drugs. He also said that Weleetka hasn't had a murder since 1985.

I do agree at this point with your "drugged out loser from school" theory. I just don't see how gang members from other towns would know about or seek out this locally-popular bridge on a dirt road. Too risky.

absinthe
06-10-2008, 10:57 PM
I don't know much about guns, but has the bullet caliber, etc been released?

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:58 PM
That wouldn't surprise me a bit. :( They "went for a walk", why?? Why did they walk the road, why not the field(s) they liked to play in.The grandfather said Taylor had walked the road daily for a year for exercise and this was her regular routine.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 10:58 PM
I don't know much about guns, but has the bullet caliber, etc been released?No, not to my knowledge.

absinthe
06-10-2008, 11:00 PM
No, not to my knowledge.

Maybe that would help determine if it was a crime of opportunity (deranged hunters?) versus sophisticated drug operators.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:02 PM
I just want to point out that Mark Furman said that I-40 was listed as a major drug route not that Weleetka area is a known drug area. I-40 stretches all the way across the country, from California to North Carolina, so it's not surprising that it is a route for drugs. He also said that Weleetka hasn't had a murder since 1985.

I do agree at this point with your "drugged out loser from school" theory. I just don't see how gang members from other towns would know about or seek out this locally-popular bridge on a dirt road. Too risky.I guess I missed him saying it was I-40. However, that isn't far either. I don't know that they would neccessarily seek out the hang out bridge, but they might have met someone local on that road to make a drug deal. It isn't far from Tulsa to make a run on up. Backroads in Oklahoma will take you just about anywhere you want to go. Most are County line roads and you can travel all day crossing main highways only occassionally. I don't think it is risky at all.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 11:02 PM
That wouldn't surprise me a bit. :( They "went for a walk", why?? Why did they walk the road, why not the field(s) they liked to play in.

For some reason, I don't get the guilty vibe from the grandfather -- and I'm usually a huge family suspecter. Also, if the grandfather was out killing them a quarter of a mile away, he couldn't have gotten the call from Skylar's mother about coming to pick them up. He didn't have a cell phone -- he used one of the girls' cell phone to call the police after he found them. Also, he seems genuinely devastated.

I do wonder why Taylor's grandparents were her guardians.

absinthe
06-10-2008, 11:04 PM
For some reason, I don't get the guilty vibe from the grandfather -- and I'm usually a huge family suspecter. Also, if the grandfather was out killing them a quarter of a mile away, he couldn't have gotten the call from Skylar's mother about coming to pick them up. He didn't have a cell phone -- he used one of the girls' cell phone to call the police after he found them. Also, he seems genuinely devastated.

I do wonder why Taylor's grandparents were her guardians.

Is meth a big problem around there?

If walking the road really was Taylor's daily routine, that could spell planning and premeditation.

noZme
06-10-2008, 11:06 PM
considering how small the community is & statistically murderers are known to their victims, like many others, i wanted to know more about the grandfather. today i feel badly for having had suspicions about mr placker. that poor man came upon a horrific scene that will haunt him forever. sounds like he & mrs placker are good, hard-working country people who were raising their grandchild as their own daughter. chances are they have dealt with heartbreak before. and the whittaker's were salt of the earth folks as well.

sheriff choate knew his small force needed help & immediately called in the other agencies. having put ego aside, he had the help he needed to go over the scene before the storm washed away potential evidence. i admire the guy... seems like an andy griffith & mayberry setting, where really bad things rarely happen. now that ofuskee county has lost its innocence, the big cannons are there & clearly leading the investigation. i am hoping there was a good reason for the presser to have revealed nothing not already reported... like giving suspects a false sense of security.

did i read one of the girl's had gotten another kid in trouble for drugs or something a while back? my 2nd choice for perp was a kid with problems or showing off could have done this. but as of tonight, i'm placing my bet on a drug or theft ring connection. somebody meeting on a country road for an exchange that these little girls innocently walked into. so sad & such a pity! tonight my prayers are for the whole community.


i caught a bit of nancy (dis)grace & wanted to reach into the tv & strangle her..... she should have quashed the discussion about how shoe & tire imprints are used as evidence.... i bet right now, somebody's sneakers are roasing on the bar-b-que!
for someone with a perfect prosecution record that georgia peach talked too much tonight. da-yum!

s_finch
06-10-2008, 11:06 PM
It was very brutal. They were shot in the face and chest according to one of the articles I read.

If it is accurate that they were shot in the face then that, to me, would eliminate close friends/family,,,,typically when you kill a "loved one" you don't go for the face at all, even to make sure they're dead. When killing a "loved one" the murderer usually kills from behind only.

My first impression is that these girls stumbled on a drug transaction and the perps freaked so badly that they went into overkill mode which makes me think the perps were probably high and also not new to the drug trade/lifestyle.

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 11:07 PM
I guess I missed him saying it was I-40. However, that isn't far either. I don't know that they would neccessarily seek out the hang out bridge, but they might have met someone local on that road to make a drug deal. It isn't far from Tulsa to make a run on up. Backroads in Oklahoma will take you just about anywhere you want to go.

I don't think the road the girls were found on connects to either I-40 or 75. It's a dirt road out in the woods and characterized in one article as a few miles from both of the highways. Now, I'm not saying I don't think there weren't drugs going on as a motive. There could easily be a drug connection between Weleetka and Tulsa.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Is meth a big problem around there?

If walking the road really was Taylor's daily routine, that could spell planning and premeditation.Yes. Meth is a HUGE problem in our rural areas in particular. They were getting a handle on it until they pulled funding last year. We have strict guidelines about selling products to individuals which can be used to make Meth now. All cold meds are only sold behind the counter and one package at a time etc. Some you even have to sign for with proper Identification.

Her grandfather said that she never went at the same time. It could be at anytime during the day.

CarpeDiem
06-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Is meth a big problem around there?


You just reminded me of the Groene case. So many were sure it was related to meth but as it turned out, it had nothing to do with it.

absinthe
06-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Yes. Meth is a HUGE problem in our rural areas in particular. They were getting a handle on it until they pulled funding last year.

Her grandfather said that she never went at the same time. It could be at anytime during the day.


That would be my guess as to why the grandparents had guardianship, then.

absinthe
06-10-2008, 11:11 PM
You just reminded me of the Groene case. So many were sure it was related to meth but as it turned out, it had nothing to do with it.


Refresh my memory. Link?

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:13 PM
I thought the grandparents moved into that area after they got Taylor. I know that the Uncle of Skyla said her parents moved from OKC to get away from the crime. :(

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 11:17 PM
You just reminded me of the Groene case. So many were sure it was related to meth but as it turned out, it had nothing to do with it.

That's true, this does remind me of how it felt at the beginning of the Groene case. It seemed only logical to question the associates of the parents and their lifestyle and so out there to suppose that some evil person would go out of their way to senselessly murder unknown people in an isolated area. I was so surprised it turned out that the POS perp was a complete stranger.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:19 PM
I would have to assume they are looking hard at Taylor's real parents (if they are still alive) and their associates. The other possibility exists that someone had dealings with them and this is a revenge killing.

noZme
06-10-2008, 11:27 PM
"overkill" is what i meant by placker coming upon a horrific scene. & he took the cell off one of the bodies to call for help.

look at the area on google earth.... travelling north from town on hwy 75 you turn east onto a dirt road..... I-40 intersects about 1 1/2 miles farther up the highway....it's not high resolution but you can see the road.

living in rural areas where neighbors are a mile or more away, riding bikes or walking to the bridge a half mile or more away is just playing in their own backyard. i know that's difficult for people who grew up in other areas to grasp but 11 & 13 year old are considered old enough to explore like that in some places.

txsvicki
06-10-2008, 11:27 PM
I wonder if this could have been a failed abduction by someone who was known to the girls. If they had walked 1/4 mile, that takes only about 10 minutes, so there was a time frame for someone to try something. The cell phone could have rang or something happened to scare off the abductor. If it was someone known to the girls, he/they could have known that this is a regular area where Taylor walked and could have known there was a sleepover. Hope they also check internet activity the girls might have had since they are at the age that molesters might try something.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:46 PM
The uncle said that both families were quite poor. I am doubting the girls had internet service or computers. However, I am sure they are checking the phone.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:48 PM
Could someone try getting onto www.oscn.net and tell me if it is my computer or is the site down?

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 11:49 PM
Could someone try getting onto www.oscn.net (http://www.oscn.net) and tell me if it is my computer or is the site down?

The site works for me.

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:49 PM
Let's try to find Taylor's parents. We know both of her last names: Taylor Paschal-Placker. Wouldn't that be both of the parents names?

STEADFAST
06-10-2008, 11:57 PM
Let's try to find Taylor's parents. We know both of her last names: Taylor Paschal-Placker. Wouldn't that be both of the parents names?

Taylor's grandfather is Peter Placker and her uncle is Joe Mosher. So, do you think her dad's last name is Placker? Maybe her mother's maiden name is Paschal or Mosher? There's a Vicky Paschal-Placker in Oklahoma and a Linda Placker. But I don't really know how to locate people in all those ingenious ways that others do. All I know is Google.

oceanblueeyes
06-10-2008, 11:58 PM
It will be interesting to see who the killer or killer are in this case. It is so senseless that it is just mind boggling.

I do know that these smaller communities are having problems with criminal activity in areas where teenagers are congregating up.......usually in a wooded areas right off from a bridge that crosses a creek.

Personally I think it is someone from that area. I just don't know what they could have seen if they were just walking down the dirt road. All of this happened so fast. I don't think they had time to redress them so them being sexually assaulted seems unlikely. If the weapon used was a long gun such as a rifle they could have shot them and been yards away out of their view.

I don't think they threw their bodies in the ditch. I think the girls were probably walking in the ditch area to keep off the road itself. The killer may have come out from wherever they were and went up and check to see if they were dead and then turned their vehicle around.

I certainly hope they catch these monsters soon..the entire community has got to be scared to death with them still on the loose.

imoo

SeriouslySearching
06-10-2008, 11:58 PM
Here is what I found on the Placker name:

282586 CHRISTOPHER R PLACKER White Male
INACTIVE
542947 JAMES A PLACKER White Male
Central District - Santa Fe Office, Oklahoma City
530544 JOE R PLACKER White Male
INACTIVE
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=393&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&SearchMode=Basic&last_name=Placker&SearchAll=ALL

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:00 AM
Taylor's grandfather is Peter Placker and her uncle is Joe Mosher. So, do you think her dad's last name is Placker? Maybe her mother's maiden name is Paschal or Mosher? There's a Vicky Paschal-Placker in Oklahoma and a Linda Placker. But I don't really know how to locate people in all those ingenious ways that others do. All I know is Google.I think Joe Mosher is the uncle of Skyla Whitaker. I think you maybe onto something with the Vicky Paschal-Placker tho!

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:00 AM
That's scary, SS.

Christopher Placker
1999-706CLEVAssault And Battery With Deadly Weapon01/07/20004Y 0M 0D Probation02/01/200001/07/2004

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:01 AM
Joe Placker
2005-5302OKLAPoss Of Controlled Substance5 YDEFERRED05/08/200605/07/2011

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:02 AM
James Placker
2006-1358OKLAConcealing Stolen Property09/20/20060Y 0M 148D Minimum10/18/200603/14/20072006-1358OKLAPetit Larceny09/20/20060Y 0M 148D Minimum10/18/200603/14/20072006-1358OKLARec/Poss/Conc Stolen Property5 YDEFERRED04/03/200704/02/20122006-1358OKLAPetit Larceny5 YDEFERRED04/03/200704/02/2012

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:06 AM
Those are interesting.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:10 AM
Is Joe the father of Christopher and James? Sort of a family thing?

These are names of relatives that I've found, but don't know how they are related to Peter Placker:
Possible Relatives:
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PLACKER, ARVEY HENRY (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=ARVEY;;HENRY;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; ;19692590&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, VIKCY (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=VIKCY;;;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;2162 9294&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, JESSIE (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=JESSIE;;;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;216 98654&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, BONITA L (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=BONITA;;L;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;26 1854058&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, CHARLES (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=CHARLES;;;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;22 586629&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, LINDA K (Age 27) (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=LINDA;;K;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;447 933119&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, VICKY V (Age 54) (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=VICKY;;V;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;225 86585&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, JAMES A (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=JAMES;;A;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;225 66732&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
PLACKER, ANTHONY L (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=ANTHONY;;L;;PLACKER;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;4 47663382&2=name&3=people&4=3&5=peter;;;;placker;;;;OK;;;;;;;;&rc=5&rel=Y)
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SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:10 AM
Taylor's guestbook and Obituary: http://www.legacy.com/oklahoman/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=111261323

Skyla's guestbook and Obituary: http://www.legacy.com/oklahoman/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=111261343

txsvicki
06-11-2008, 12:14 AM
The girls could have moved over into the bar ditch area at the side of the road to let a car pass or a car stopped to speak to them. If Okla. is anything like Dallas Texas there could be snakes in those ditches. We stayed out of ditches in East Texas when I was about that age.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:17 AM
It could very well be any member of the family or strangers. The Placker family history isn't giving me much comfort though. We don't know all the relations and who lived where so I guess I shouldn't assume anything.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:18 AM
Has anyone looked up the names on www.oscn.net yet? Go to dockets. All OK courts. Then to where you put in the name. It will allow you to just put in the last name. For some reason, I can't pull up the site. ? That is weird.

Anyway...OSCN will give you addresses etc. if they are listed in there at all.

SuziQ
06-11-2008, 12:26 AM
Has anything been mentioned as far as the position of the bodies? Were they fleeing, kneeling, fell to the ground?

I'm still feeling there is a local connection here. I can't recall the specific case, but a man was just sentenced for murdering a very young witness who saw a drug deal. Alot of similarities to this crime. I believe she had been riding her bike. She was kidnapped murdered and her bike was dumped somewhere. Does anyone remember this case?

philamena
06-11-2008, 12:33 AM
That's scary, SS.

Christopher Placker
1999-706CLEVAssault And Battery With Deadly Weapon01/07/20004Y 0M 0D Probation02/01/200001/07/2004
:eek:

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:35 AM
Has anything been mentioned as far as the position of the bodies? Were they fleeing, kneeling, fell to the ground?

I'm still feeling there is a local connection here. I can't recall the specific case, but a man was just sentenced for murdering a very young witness who saw a drug deal. Alot of similarities to this crime. I believe she had been riding her bike. She was kidnapped murdered and her bike was dumped somewhere. Does anyone remember this case?They haven't released the position of the bodies yet.

No, I don't recall that case, Suzi. Hmmm...

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:35 AM
I know, Philamena. Double :eek: but I'm not sure how he's related. :(

SS, that site is acting up for me too. :mad:

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:36 AM
Oh, good...so my computer isn't slowly frying then. Whew! Thanks, Taxi.

noZme
06-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Charles B & Ruth A Placker (http://refdesk.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=70101360448415965701&lower=1&more_info=1&form_mode=)

home
8B2 RR 1
Weleetka, OK 74880-9760

phone number unavailable
Listing Details (http://refdesk.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=70101360448415965701&lower=1&more_info=1&form_mode=)

Vicky Placker (http://refdesk.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=70101360448415965701&lower=2&more_info=1&form_mode=)

home
PO Box 197
Weleetka, OK 74880-0197

(405) 786-2459
Listing Details (http://refdesk.whitepages.com/search/Replay?search_id=70101360448415965701&lower=2&more_info=1&form_mode=)

this is from www.whitepages.com (http://www.whitepages.com)
searching "placker" "weleetka" "ok"

what sites do others use for searching?

i use google earth to get understanding the layout of almost every case

for what it's worth, i'm thinking the cell was skyla's. i am under the impression taylor's folks were just getting by.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:41 AM
My pc could be slowly frying though too, SS! I swear I don't know what's wrong with it lately.

Anyway, can you try this link? Maybe it will take you right to the search screen:
http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/casesearch.asp Hope it works for you.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:42 AM
Well, Skyla's uncle was the one who said her family was very poor. I believe the phone was probably a family cell phone they let Taylor carry when she was away from the house.

Thanks for finding those, No!! :) Looks like there are a few of them in Weleetka. Surely, they are related.

Thanks for trying, Taxi...but nope. It times out on me. It is the only site I cannot access tonite and I don't get it. Did I use it so much they banned me?! LOL

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:42 AM
LOL, or you may get this message when you search for a name:

Explanation: There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed.

Darn it.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:44 AM
noZme, I just plugged Peter Placker's name (ooohhh, I'm so not going there with the pickled peppers) into Veromi.net to see if that brought up relatives so we could look at them.

noZme
06-11-2008, 12:44 AM
forgot to say
at white pages if you click details on a listing, there is a ms virtual earth map which you can drag & move... also choose map, satellite or hybrid

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:46 AM
I use my Google maps and Google Earth a lot. Great sites!

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:47 AM
noZme, I just plugged Peter Placker's name (ooohhh, I'm so not going there with the pickled peppers) into Veromi.net to see if that brought up relatives so we could look at them.:eek: Peter Placker picked a peck?!

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:56 AM
I have reached the point where my humor had to come to the surface. I just can't go to bed thinking about these two lovely little girls, innocently going for a walk, being killed. It blows my mind how anyone can do this.

IMO, I think you'd have to be a hardened criminal and be fearful of prison if you can do something like this. :mad: :(

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:58 AM
Was Joe Mosher on any of the videos? There's a Jo Mosher (aka JD Mosher) (Indian American male) with a drug record.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:00 AM
Unless I have him confused with Skyla's uncle...yes. I think I am tired. Nite all! Let's stop on a happier note like Taxi mentioned. :) We will hopefully learn more tomorrow.

ETA: He was on this morning and Joe is definitely Skyla's uncle.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 01:02 AM
I think Joe Mosher is the uncle of Skyla Whitaker. I think you maybe onto something with the Vicky Paschal-Placker tho!

Vicky (or Vickie or Vickey)Placker is Peter Placker's wife. I wonder if she's also known as Vicky Paschal-Placker.

philamena
06-11-2008, 01:02 AM
Good work guys.
NoZme,
Any information is good information until LE finds out who and why. ;)

philamena
06-11-2008, 01:04 AM
Can I post this here?
5 Record(s) Found.TR-2002-91 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473296);)01/02/2002 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473296);)St ate of Oklahoma v. Placker, Christopher R (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473296);)Pl acker, Christopher R (Defendant) (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473296);)TR-2002-92 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473301);)01/02/2002 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473301);)St ate of Oklahoma v. Placker, Christopher R (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473301);)Pl acker, Christopher R (Defendant) (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473301);)TR-2002-93 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473302);)01/02/2002 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473302);)St ate of Oklahoma v. Placker, Christopher R (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473302);)Pl acker, Christopher R (Defendant) (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1473302);)PO-2005-2068 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1949752);)08/17/2005 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1949752);)TO UIA ANN DUNCAN MINOR CHILD v. CHRISTOPHER RYAN PLACKER (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1949752);)PL ACKER, CHRISTOPHER RYAN (Defendant) (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',1949752);)PO-2007-2882 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',2234688);)11/27/2007 (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',2234688);)DU NCAN, TOUIA v. PLACKER, CHRISTOPHER (javascript:getcase2('Oklahoma','','',2234688);)

philamena
06-11-2008, 01:07 AM
One convicition for a child, who I will not name, a protective order was granted against Christopher. This is posted on a document open to the public.

He has 3 traffic court convicitions.

And this EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDER ISSUED GRANTED. COURT DATE 9-9-05
MINOR CHILD , Plaintiff

kahskye
06-11-2008, 01:11 AM
I posted this earlier and feel like I was totally ignored. Both of these girls were the only girl in their classroom. The ratio of students was low at only 1 girl to 10 boys according to 2006. The ratio of boys might have been higher now. We're talking a real rural area and I wonder if they were targeted for some reason. The girls were known to frequently walk this road, so I suspect the killer was waiting for them. I know I might be reaching, but it might be something to look into.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 01:20 AM
I just didn't have anything to add to your comment, kahskye! Don't feel ignored. :blowkiss: It's something they should look into, most definitely.

txsvicki, can you tell me what a bar ditch is? I don't have a clue what that might be! TIA!

noZme
06-11-2008, 01:23 AM
i got side-tracked, but stumbled on 2 neat sites i'll go back to

i think i got the girls switched in an earlier post.... worked in my yard all day, i'm beat............. wish we had gotten an earlier start !!!!!!!!!

Taximom
06-11-2008, 01:25 AM
I started doing some searches early on, but one of the articles spelled the town "weeletka" and that produced hardley any results for me, as you can imagine. I gave up because I thought LE had a suspect or three in mind. Grrr to come back to hear that they have nothing (that we know of anyway). :mad:

Nite all. :blowkiss: May we all wake up to answers for these poor families in the morning.

philamena
06-11-2008, 01:26 AM
From same site as arrest info posted on page 7 of this thread.
We need to find out if the protective orders were against one of the murdered girl's sister.


Protective Order:
PROTECTIVE ORDER)

Filed: 11/27/2007

txsvicki
06-11-2008, 01:32 AM
I just didn't have anything to add to your comment, kahskye! Don't feel ignored. :blowkiss: It's something they should look into, most definitely.

txsvicki, can you tell me what a bar ditch is? I don't have a clue what that might be! TIA!


It's ditches to the sides of roads. I guess for drainage during rains.

txsvicki
06-11-2008, 01:34 AM
I posted this earlier and feel like I was totally ignored. Both of these girls were the only girl in their classroom. The ratio of students was low at only 1 girl to 10 boys according to 2006. The ratio of boys might have been higher now. We're talking a real rural area and I wonder if they were targeted for some reason. The girls were known to frequently walk this road, so I suspect the killer was waiting for them. I know I might be reaching, but it might be something to look into.


Maybe the local LE is thinking something similar since they're warning parents to watch their kids and that it is probably someone known. Maybe a shooting similar to students shooting in schools?

noZme
06-11-2008, 01:34 AM
taxi read this:

tzsvicki thanks, you've expanded my vocabulary


Dirt-moving methods improve through years

by Delbert Trewhttp://www.texasescapes.com/DelbertTrew/DelbertTrew.jpg (http://www.texasescapes.com/DelbertTrew/It's-All-Trew.htm)Few readers under 60 years of age will understand this statement: 'We installed a tin horn in our bar ditch.'

A tin horn is a corrugated, galvanized metal culvert installed alongside roadways to let floodwater pass through. I know this fact, but I don't have a clue as to why a crooked gambler appearing in many western stories is called a tinhorn. Any ideas?

The slang term bar ditch supposedly comes from barrow ditch when hand labor and wheelbarrows were used to haul dirt dug from a ditch and dumped into the roadbed to raise it above the surrounding terrain. Another version states dirt borrowed from a ditch and placed on the roadbed gave birth to the term bar ditch.

Improving wagon tracks, sufficient for wagons and buggies, into raised, dragged-smooth roads came with the advent of the automobile. Such road labor was first done under the Statute Labor Law, which required property owners living adjacent to or near public roads to donate a certain amount of hours each year to the upkeep and maintenance of the road. You could work yourself with your teams and equipment, hire someone to do the work for you, of if you refused to participate, your proportionate cost would be added to your annual taxes.

My father recalled that the first winter after he arrived in Ochiltree County in 1928-29 he lived on the Calvin Flowers farm some 20 miles south of Perryton (http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasPanhandleTowns/Perryton-Texas.htm). To make a living, he borrowed a work team, walking plow and fresno and then contracted with the county to dirt-up tin horns along the highway bar ditches.

This was long before today's Highway 70 and 83 when the road between Perryton (http://www.texasescapes.com/TexasPanhandleTowns/Perryton-Texas.htm) and Canadian (http://www.texasescapes.com/TOWNS/Canadian_Texas/Canadian_Texas_Panhandle.htm) went south by Buller's Store, turned east at the 21-mile corner and on to Taz and Notla rural schools. Each day his team dragged the equipment to a site containing a tin horn. First, he plowed the bar ditches on both sides to accumulate loose dirt. Next he hooked his team to the fresno and moved the loose dirt to the sides of the culvert. All the plowing and dirt moving was done by walking behind the teams with reins in hand and guiding the equipment. When finished moving dirt, he leveled the road by hand with shovel and rake until the site was smooth and safe to use. He then chained his plow behind the fresno and traveled to the next site.

Dirt-moving equipment of the time provided little choice. There were 'slips' that loaded then slipped along the ground and had to be tipped upward to dump. Drags and hurtles were used for short hauls and moving grain with the operator wailing behind holding on to the wooden handles. Later, a tumble-bug / fresno combination became available using a jerk-rope for dumping and loading. This device came about after tractors arrived on the farms.

Though crude and simple by today's standards, each of these dirt-moving inventions were a big improvement over a pick, shovel and wheelbarrow.


&#169; Delbert Trew
"It's All Trew" (http://www.texasescapes.com/DelbertTrew/It&#37;27s-All-Trew.htm)
September 19, 2006 Column
E-mail: trewblue@centramedia.net.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 01:39 AM
Oh, interesting. I never knew those had that name! TIA.

Now I'll have to find that video of the road to see if they had that.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 01:45 AM
Oh, interesting. I never knew those had that name! TIA.

Now I'll have to find that video of the road to see if they had that.

When they showed the scene on the Greta show, it looked like there were shallow ditches next to the dirt road. They are filled with mud right now.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 01:46 AM
Touia Duncan is out there if you google.

ETA: Not that she has anything to do with this crime, just saying.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 02:18 AM
"Tire tracks preserved before heavy rains hit the area late Sunday show that a vehicle traveled down the road, then turned around near the ditch where the girls were found."
http://newsok.com/clues-sought-in-slaying-of-girls-in-weleetka/article/3255420/?pg=2

You know, it's possible that some local or locals driving by shot the girls just for kicks.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 02:46 AM
Has this been posted? Pictures of the girls and of Taylor's uncle and grandparents.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4194,00.html#5_0

missmuffit
06-11-2008, 03:04 AM
Has this been posted? Pictures of the girls and of Taylor's uncle and grandparents.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,4194,00.html#5_0

This story breaks my heart. Taylor reminds me of my daughter. She had the same smile as my daughter does. My daughter even has the same shirt (the GO AWAY Get off my Planet) that Taylor had on in the picture of her and her family. My poor child has asked me what was wrong all day since I was giving her more hugs then usual and not letting her out of my sight. The last story to hit me this hard was when little Samantha Runyon was taken and killed.

MM ~

txsvicki
06-11-2008, 04:41 AM
"Tire tracks preserved before heavy rains hit the area late Sunday show that a vehicle traveled down the road, then turned around near the ditch where the girls were found."
http://newsok.com/clues-sought-in-slaying-of-girls-in-weleetka/article/3255420/?pg=2

You know, it's possible that some local or locals driving by shot the girls just for kicks.

I wonder if the vehicle was travelling towards or up behind the girls before it turned around, and in what direction away from there it would be going when it left the crime.

ArizonaGiGi
06-11-2008, 05:59 AM
I posted this earlier and feel like I was totally ignored. Both of these girls were the only girl in their classroom. The ratio of students was low at only 1 girl to 10 boys according to 2006. The ratio of boys might have been higher now. We're talking a real rural area and I wonder if they were targeted for some reason. The girls were known to frequently walk this road, so I suspect the killer was waiting for them. I know I might be reaching, but it might be something to look into.

They probably hung out with mostly boys then. Hmmm. Coud have been an acquaintance that they could identify.
I wonder if they ran and were gunned down as they tried to get away or if they were oblivious to what was coming. I hope the latter by fear the former. :(:(

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 07:28 AM
One convicition for a child, who I will not name, a protective order was granted against Christopher. This is posted on a document open to the public.

He has 3 traffic court convicitions.

And this EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE ORDER ISSUED GRANTED. COURT DATE 9-9-05
MINOR CHILD , PlaintiffI am working on my computer (thanks for reminding me to clear my caches whoever that was! Hugs) so maybe I will be able to access OSCN as I am still having trouble with it. Great find, Philamena! Worth checking into for certain. :)

You guys were busy last nite after I turned in! Has anyone looked to see if either girl had a myspace or facebook site? (They could have gotten on the computers at school.)

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 07:51 AM
I posted this earlier and feel like I was totally ignored. Both of these girls were the only girl in their classroom. The ratio of students was low at only 1 girl to 10 boys according to 2006. The ratio of boys might have been higher now. We're talking a real rural area and I wonder if they were targeted for some reason. The girls were known to frequently walk this road, so I suspect the killer was waiting for them. I know I might be reaching, but it might be something to look into.I am sorry, Kahskye! I was in a fog yesterday. I promise we weren't ignoring you. :) It is worth checking out, too.

I guess it doesn't surprise me that she could have been the only girl in her class in that small school. However, seeing her photo on the cheerleading squad, I would think there are others now.

At the age of 13 years old, the wrong person could have been pursuing her or visa versa. When the selection is so small in a rural area...the idea that the "competition" for the cheerleader and outgoing girl could be fierce. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities that she angered a female rival or a male resulting in a shooting. Jealousy is one of the oldest motives for murder.

While illegal, in a small farm community it is not out of the norm for kids as young as 12 or 13 yo to be allowed to drive farm trucks on backroads as they work with the parents tending cattle and fields...so this doesn't neccessarily have to be adults we are looking for. Also, it is normal for guns to be hanging in the cab of many vehicles and most kids are raised to know how to handle them if they work to kill snakes, hunt, etc.

LOL You had to go to all that trouble to figure out a bar ditch. Funny! While the ditches look shallow there...the bar ditch is probably over another few feet from the sides of the road. They are designed to help the roads not to flood and be a muddy impassable mess when it rains. They are usually overgrown with grasses, but actually rather deep allowing for the tin horns and cattle guards to allow access onto the side roads and driveways.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 07:59 AM
Touia Duncan is out there if you google.

ETA: Not that she has anything to do with this crime, just saying.The only thing I found was a 27 yo. Her?

anneinchicago
06-11-2008, 07:59 AM
Maybe everyone knows this but me, but it would seem they were not killed on a road next to open fields, but next to what seems to be woods.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080610_12_A1_hThetw874180


Choate said authorities still are trying to determine if the girls were killed by someone driving a car along the road "or whether someone just walked out of the woods and shot them."

Which, to me, mean something hidden was going on in those woods that the girls accidentally stumbled upon.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 08:03 AM
Both sides of the road along there were overgrown with brush probably running the length of that stretch of road. The reporter from Tulsa mentioned they were thick like a forest. This isn't unusual in OK. The clearings for farming or ranching are beyond the thickets. The county is responsible for the road and sides of the road so they are not cleared.

I would hope that LE searched the area beyond there to find out if any marijuana patches were active or if there were signs of a meth lab. A lot of rolling meth labs (people making meth in vehicles) exist here due to the crackdown from LE.

kahskye
06-11-2008, 09:08 AM
Here's and article about Graham School. One article I read must have been wrong. This was states that Placker was the only girl in her sixth-grade class along with four boys, and Whitaker was in a fifth-grade class with four girls and one boy.

http://newsok.com/around-weleetka-shock-but-no-answers/article/3255838/?

The Graham School District (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Graham+School+District&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) only covers about 48 square miles, which includes about 600 residents. The K-12 school has about 100 students. Chancey (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Dusty+Chancey&CATEGORY=PERSON) and Wanda Mankin (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Wanda+Mankin&CATEGORY=PERSON), the elementary school principal, aren't concerned about the numbers but rather the children within the numbers.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 09:38 AM
I wonder where they found so many cheerleaders?! I guess it is comprised of all the girls in the school. Tryouts not needed...just be female.

SuziQ
06-11-2008, 09:45 AM
IMO, some pretty specific things were said about the POI's. More info about the LE Backpeddle...

http://newsok.com/article/3255855/

(snip)

It was the rampant rumors and "misinformation” surrounding the fatal shootings of Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, that led to a time-to-set-the-record-straight news conference Tuesday in front of the Okfuskee County (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Okfuskee+County&CATEGORY=COUNTY) Courthouse in Okemah. Part of the confusion apparently came from remarks Sheriff Jack Choate (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jack+Choate&CATEGORY=PERSON) made during media interviews. Choate (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jack+Choate&CATEGORY=PERSON), who has been in office two years, said Monday that his office had "suspects” in the case. He later said his office had identified "persons of interest.”

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 09:52 AM
In other words, they are saying the Sheriff is inexperienced and talked too much. I disagree. I think he was stating what they were going on at the time and to me...it was refreshing to hear LE be candid about it. OSBI takes their cues from the FBI so it doesn't surprise me they want to go the old route of playing deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to releasing any information.

By now, everyone knows that I feel the honest and open route is the better way to go in an investigation so the public can assist in finding the perps. This one, in particular, should be more open because of the small town scenario. With their field of suspects being limited, to broaden the search via media makes more sense. Someone in another part of the state or even another part of the country might connect the dots for them.

SuziQ
06-11-2008, 10:00 AM
In other words, they are saying the Sheriff is inexperienced and talked too much. I disagree. I think he was stating what they were going on at the time and to me...it was refreshing to hear LE be candid about it. OSBI takes their cues from the FBI so it doesn't surprise me they want to go the old route of playing deaf, dumb, and blind when it comes to releasing any information.



ITA, to me it sounds like there are suspects and always have been. OSBI just doesn't want to announce it yet. It could also be that the suspects are now witnesses.

christine2448
06-11-2008, 10:07 AM
Rosser also said vehicle tracks and footprints at the scene are being analyzed to determine if they are related to the murders.




"We're making headway on our forensics evidence," Rosser said, noting the state crime lab is now analyzing ballistics, along with DNA evidence taken from the scene.


topsies performed Monday on the girls show they had been shot in the head and chest, said Kevin Rowland, chief investigator for the medical examiner's office. Rowland did not release any other details, including the number of times each girl was shot. The girls were found wearing T-shirts and shorts.


Rosser said DNA is being recovered from the girls. Samples taken from their clothing and under their fingernails are being tested for substances or anything that might give investigators a clue about the last minutes of their lives.


I think they have quite a bit of evidence....shell casings, tire tracks, footprints, possible DNA.

I believe this one will be solved. I want to know who did this...I have to see the face of the scum that did this to these girls.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 10:42 AM
Just reading "number of times the girls were shot" says overkill like someone else here pointed out. Mark F. was probably right in his comment that whoever did this had an "urgency" about the killings making certain they were gone.

Here is another thought:

Deputies: 3 Men Walk Away From Kay County Jail
Investigators Believe Escapees Had Help From Outside

NEWKIRK, Okla. -- Deputies are looking for three men who escaped from a jail in northern Oklahoma late Thursday, authorities said.

The three men are considered armed and dangerous.

VIDEO: http://www.koco.com/video/16523631/index.html

http://www.koco.com/news/16523645/detail.html

While this happened some distance from Weleetka, OK...Ponca City is on I-35 which takes you right to I-40. I don't think they have been captured or even spotted since they escaped.

poco
06-11-2008, 11:27 AM
If any case calls for vigilante justice, this is one that definitely would, but first I would prefer they suffer tremendously for a few weeks..................

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 11:29 AM
Tremendously is right.

noZme
06-11-2008, 11:51 AM
re: 3 escapees

missing from prison midnight thursday > girls killed saturday 5:30 = 65 hours

per mapquest ponca city > weleetka
Total Estimated Time: 2 hours 44 minutes
Total Estimated Distance: 159.89 miles

KR2tonenow
06-11-2008, 11:56 AM
[quote=SeriouslySearching;2287680]Here is another thought:

Deputies: 3 Men Walk Away From Kay County Jail
Investigators Believe Escapees Had Help From Outside

NEWKIRK, Okla. -- Deputies are looking for three men who escaped from a jail in northern Oklahoma late Thursday, authorities said.

The three men are considered armed and dangerous.

VIDEO: http://www.koco.com/video/16523631/index.html

http://www.koco.com/news/16523645/detail.html


Very telling....the Sheriff originally was quoted as saying there was 3 suspects.

I think this may be the lead! They could have been camping out in the woods and the girls came upon them. They don't want the girls to identify them, they made sure the girls were dead by over killing!!

KR2tonenow
06-11-2008, 12:01 PM
re: 3 escapees

missing from prison midnight thursday > girls killed saturday 5:30 = 65 hours

per mapquest ponca city > weleetka
Total Estimated Time: 2 hours 44 minutes
Total Estimated Distance: 159.89 miles

2 hours is nothing. Last night on Greta, I kept on thinking the pic of the road was very rural. Lots of foilage, places for them to hide.

I hope they catch these POS. Don't they have a plate number on stolen cars in the area? Survelliance of them escaping, something to go by?

SailorMoon
06-11-2008, 12:05 PM
I still can't fathom for anything what they could have done or saw to be shot that quick. I didn't put too much into the escaped convicts...but those are men who wouldn't want to go back and who would have absolutely nothing to lose by killing the girls.

KatK
06-11-2008, 12:07 PM
Drug dealers show no mercy. Remember the Port St. Lucie killings of an entire family, including the two children?

Why would a local kill these kids? For kicks? I just cannot imagine.
Meth trafficers would. Meth production/trafficing can be a "go to prison for life" felony. Reason enough to kill any witnesses.

EnvoyDriver61
06-11-2008, 12:14 PM
I have two thoughts.

First, if they had cell phones, it couldn't be too rural to get cell reception. Were they close enough to I-40 for the cell towers there? Or, was there a tower closer to Weleetka, Bryant, or one of the other smaller communities?

If it wasn't a tower on I-40, maybe they can get ping data from it at the narrow time frame of the murders (assuming the murderer(s) also had a cell phone).

Second, having reviewed some ABC and local videos stories on the murders (including the murder site where a memorial is set up), I get the impression the girls died very close together, as in shot in their tracks, which means that there had to be more than one person shooting. There wasn't time for one to run while the other was being shot if there were only one shooter.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:15 PM
It could also explain the comment of the Sheriff's about not letting his children outside until the perps are apprehended, too. He may have been warning people in his own way that if they are armed and dangerous plus in the immediate area...they better pay attention. His children would be of particular interest to escaped prisoners, imo.

absinthe
06-11-2008, 12:18 PM
[quote=SeriouslySearching;2287680]Here is another thought:

Deputies: 3 Men Walk Away From Kay County Jail
Investigators Believe Escapees Had Help From Outside

NEWKIRK, Okla. -- Deputies are looking for three men who escaped from a jail in northern Oklahoma late Thursday, authorities said.

The three men are considered armed and dangerous.

VIDEO: http://www.koco.com/video/16523631/index.html

http://www.koco.com/news/16523645/detail.html


Very telling....the Sheriff originally was quoted as saying there was 3 suspects.

I think this may be the lead! They could have been camping out in the woods and the girls came upon them. They don't want the girls to identify them, they made sure the girls were dead by over killing!!


I think this is very plausible.

KatK
06-11-2008, 12:18 PM
That wouldn't surprise me a bit. :( They "went for a walk", why?? Why did they walk the road, why not the field(s) they liked to play in.

Too muddy, the roads were gravel and would be less messy? There has been a lot of rain lately. My Meth trafficers theory still holds, they could be locals.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:26 PM
Nevermind. They were found on Saturday night: http://www.ksn.com/news/local/19635949.html

SailorMoon
06-11-2008, 12:30 PM
Well..thanks for that update SeriouslySearching. Hmmm, that made sense to me for how fast they were killed. Meth cookers and/or traffickers are the next best bet. What a shame.

lightwaveryder
06-11-2008, 12:31 PM
the fact that they were found a half an hour after the shooting...makes me suspect foul play from someone they knew. If someone was looking for them in that same area 30 minutes later, someone would have heard shots ,especially in a rural area where loud noises carry becuase there are no big buildings to break up the sound waves.


i hope the citizens find these guys first and kill them.


~lightwaveryder~

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:31 PM
I have two thoughts.

First, if they had cell phones, it couldn't be too rural to get cell reception. Were they close enough to I-40 for the cell towers there? Or, was there a tower closer to Weleetka, Bryant, or one of the other smaller communities?

If it wasn't a tower on I-40, maybe they can get ping data from it at the narrow time frame of the murders (assuming the murderer(s) also had a cell phone).

Second, having reviewed some ABC and local videos stories on the murders (including the murder site where a memorial is set up), I get the impression the girls died very close together, as in shot in their tracks, which means that there had to be more than one person shooting. There wasn't time for one to run while the other was being shot if there were only one shooter.

Most drug dealers will use throwaway phones. However, it could give them an idea where they were previously if they could narrow down a cell ping on an unidentified cell phone and try to track it backwards. (Is that possible?)

I think there were probably more than one, but the girls were so close that one wouldn't run to save herself, imo. With a semi-automatic weapon, it wouldn't be that difficult to take both girls out quickly I wouldn't think...so one could have done this.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:32 PM
the fact that they were found a half an hour after the shooting...makes me suspect foul play from someone they knew. If someone was looking for them in that same area 30 minutes later, someone would have heard shots ,especially in a rural area where loud noises carry becuase there are no big buildings to break up the sound waves.


i hope the citizens find these guys first and kill them.


~lightwaveryder~One word: Silencer.

Taximom
06-11-2008, 12:33 PM
Still no arrests? :( Boy, I was holding my breath reading about those 3 escapees. Darn.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 12:37 PM
the fact that they were found a half an hour after the shooting...makes me suspect foul play from someone they knew. If someone was looking for them in that same area 30 minutes later, someone would have heard shots ,especially in a rural area where loud noises carry becuase there are no big buildings to break up the sound waves.


i hope the citizens find these guys first and kill them.


~lightwaveryder~

They were only 300 yards from home. You'd think their grandparents would have heard the shots -- and maybe they did, but I haven't heard anything about that. Maybe the dense woods muffled the sound. If you look at an aerial map, you can see that there are large wooded areas, not just fields.

EnvoyDriver61
06-11-2008, 12:42 PM
I wonder about the tracks too. Were they tire tracks? ATV tracks? What?

Tracks appear to go up to the girls and then turn around. One story said the girls were going north on the dirt road. I wish LE would say how many times they were shot and if either of them were shot from the back.

I wonder also if the grandfather found them while walking to check on them or went after them with a car or vehicle? That would help with the time line too.

They leave at 5:00 p.m. He calls them sometime later to tell them to come on home (didn't really give them time to go do anything, so I wonder if he was suspicious-- maybe he'd seen a car coming from the other way-- or the girls left too close to dinner/supper?) but that'd be about 5:15-5:20. He goes after them and finds them shot about 5:30. I know it's been discussed but it sounds like he's outside, they aren't but 1/4 mile away and no one hears multiple gunshots. I wonder if he heard shots and called the girls to see if they were all right, didn't get them on the cell and went to look for them?

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:47 PM
Again, silencer.

Or if the grandfather did hear shots...in an area where hunting or shooting was a norm...it would not have excited anyone. Where I grew up...seeing boys walking with rifles to the river was an everyday occassion and hearing the crack of gunshots didn't even cause a raised eyebrow.

noZme
06-11-2008, 12:47 PM
happy to hear prisoners were captured.... they are bad looking guys.

what newspaper would have reports of local drug operations?

my smalltown "mullet wrapper" lists all arrests weekly & often there are stories of drug operations having been busted.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 12:48 PM
They leave at 5:00 p.m. He calls them sometime later to tell them to come on home (didn't really give them time to go do anything, so I wonder if he was suspicious-- maybe he'd seen a car coming from the other way-- or the girls left too close to dinner/supper?) but that'd be about 5:15-5:20. He goes after them and finds them shot about 5:30. I know it's been discussed but it sounds like he's outside, they aren't but 1/4 mile away and no one hears multiple gunshots. I wonder if he heard shots and called the girls to see if they were all right, didn't get them on the cell and went to look for them?

What happened was that the girls left to go on their walk, and Skyla's mother called to say she was coming over to pick up Skyla. So the grandmother tried calling Taylor on her cell phone a few times and got no answer. At that point, the grandfather left to go find them.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Fox is reporting they are looking now for 2 weapons. Ben Rosser is on the phone in an interview now.

Hopeful One
06-11-2008, 12:52 PM
I'm just catching up on this story. What a horrible crime. Those poor girls.

I'm wondering about a few things. For one, has anyone read why her grandfather has legal guardianship? Where are her parents? Have they been heard from at all? Also, did the grandfather call 911 from home or he did have the cell phone on him when he found the girls and called from that location?

EnvoyDriver61
06-11-2008, 12:52 PM
Thanks. I hadn't heard that.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 12:56 PM
He doesn't know if they are looking for two shooters or one shooter with two guns. He did not specify the weapons.

The time frame was 20-25 minutes from the time the girls left until the grandfather found them. He had presence of mind to try to keep people away realizing it was a crime scene which helped LE a great deal.

It appears there will be another press conference at 2:00 pm unless they have not updated their website since yesterday's presser: http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

The reward is up to $25,000.00 now.

EnvoyDriver61
06-11-2008, 12:56 PM
Regarding the 911 call by the grandfather, FOX reports:



Taylor's grandfather, Peter Placker, discovered the bodies on Sunday after trying to call a cell phone the girls had with them. He called police from that phone, Rosser said.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 12:57 PM
I'm just catching up on this story. What a horrible crime. Those poor girls.

I'm wondering about a few things. For one, has anyone read why her grandfather has legal guardianship? Where are her parents? Have they been heard from at all? Also, did the grandfather call 911 from home or he did have the cell phone on him when he found the girls and called from that location?

The grandfather called 911 from Taylor's phone when he found the girls. I don't know the answer to any of your other questions, but I'd like to!

Oops, you beat me to it, ED!

noZme
06-11-2008, 12:58 PM
lightwaveryder said "i hope the citizens find these guys first and kill them."

i've seen similar comments after the newspaper articles.... i am not proud to admit this, but vigilante justice seems appropriate in cases. these victims didn't get due process.

EnvoyDriver61
06-11-2008, 01:01 PM
Regarding cell towers. I checked the ATT wireless website and for that company, it looks like they had a tower in Weleetka. Great coverage extends around the town for about 2-3 miles, as does great coverage on either side of I-40. There's a pocket between Weleetka and I-40 where coverage is mediocre, so I guess cell's there can get either the Weleetka one or one along I-40.

If they lived closer to Weleetka, I'd think the ping info on that would be easier to get and track for that time frame. However, one report I read said that Skyla was from Henryetta, which leads me to believe they lived closer to the NE of Weleetka and may be in the nether zone.

All this assuming is based on similar cell phone reception/tower placement among other cell providers. I realize that that is a wide assumption.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:02 PM
Shamrock~ We have been trying to track down Taylor Paschal-Placker's birth parents. We don't have any answers to why her grandparents were raising her. The grandfather stated he had four other children, but she was his "baby". :( We don't know if they were siblings etc.

Relatives said to know Taylor was to love her. She was the big-hearted girl who rescued helpless turtles crawling in the middle of the road and wanted to become a forensic scientist, like on the TV shows, said Peter Placker, who said he raised Taylor like she was his daughter even though he was her biological grandparent.
http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

Awww did you just read that?! She was one of us!! :(

KatK
06-11-2008, 01:04 PM
One word: Silencer.
Two words: Trees, underbrush. Those dampen sound too, right? :waitasec:

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:08 PM
Funeral arrangements set for slain girls

Funeral services for Taylor are scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday at Dewar First Baptist Church. Services for Skyla are scheduled for 2 p.m. at the First Baptist Church in Henryetta.

Shurden Funeral Home in Henryetta is handling funeral services for Taylor and Rogers Funeral Home, also in Henryetta, is handing services for Skyla.

Donations may be sent to:

Bank of Commerce, P.O. Box 248, Weleetka, OK 74880.

For more information call (405) 786-2216.

http://newsok.com/funeral-arrangements-set-for-slain-girls/article/3255944/?tm=1213200633

SailorMoon
06-11-2008, 01:09 PM
He doesn't know if they are looking for two shooters or one shooter with two guns. He did not specify the weapons.

The time frame was 20-25 minutes from the time the girls left until the grandfather found them. He had presence of mind to try to keep people away realizing it was a crime scene which helped LE a great deal.

It appears there will be another press conference at 2:00 pm unless they have not updated their website since yesterday's presser: http://www.koco.com/news/16547383/detail.html

The reward is up to $25,000.00 now.

What a man. I know that I would not have the sense to keep everyone away knowing that its a crime scene.

May the Lord bless both these families.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:13 PM
Henryetta is the closest large town. I don't think that it means Skyla lived much closer to there, but her address might be out of there...if that makes sense to you. Henryetta is only 15 miles from Weleetka.

OrdinaryLife
06-11-2008, 01:17 PM
I may have missed this, but what direction were the girls found? Walking away from the direction of home or facing returning home?

Both being shot in the chest tells me those shots were first. Both being shot in the head tells me who ever killed them wanted to be sure they were dead. Whoever killed them is not just some sick a-hole. They knew what they "needed" to do for their reasons. I have no doubt they have murdered before. Only a cold hearted bastard would murder two young girls. There was a reason he (they) wanted them dead.

The familes have nothing to do with this, of that I feel very sure. I feel strongly there is some kind of dealing history in that part of the county and these angels innocently walked into it. I think this is a huge deal and spokespeople will not be sharing to much save for the very basics. IMVHO....

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:18 PM
They were on their way back according to the reports.

OrdinaryLife
06-11-2008, 01:20 PM
Two words: Trees, underbrush. Those dampen sound too, right? :waitasec:

I agree completely. There is a shooting range just a couple miles away from where I live. They use it mostly during the summer for LE to do their requisite target shooting every year. The only time I hear them is if there is many a number of guns going off at the same time. And, that is if the wind is right and my window are open in the back.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:23 PM
What a man. I know that I would not have the sense to keep everyone away knowing that its a crime scene.

May the Lord bless both these families.I think his reaction speaks more to him protecting the girls, in a sense, than actually being concerned about the crime scene. He would never had touched her phone if that were the case.

OrdinaryLife
06-11-2008, 01:25 PM
They were on their way back according to the reports.

So, they were already on the way back even before the grandfather tried calling them. I know that LE has taken many a picture of the crime scene, but I wonder if they found they had been running and not walking before they were murdered.

Being shot in the chest is one thing (multiple times, no less), but each shot in the head is another. Intent made to kill them and final shots to be sure they were dead.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:28 PM
Interesting point. They should have been able to tell that, but they have not released anything that would give me that impression. I would also like to know the range of how close the guns were to the girls. Were the shooters still in the vehicle or right up on the girls?

CarpeDiem
06-11-2008, 01:29 PM
I may have missed this, but what direction were the girls found? Walking away from the direction of home or facing returning home?

Both being shot in the chest tells me those shots were first. Both being shot in the head tells me who ever killed them wanted to be sure they were dead. Whoever killed them is not just some sick a-hole. They knew what they "needed" to do for their reasons. I have no doubt they have murdered before. Only a cold hearted bastard would murder two young girls. There was a reason he (they) wanted them dead.

The familes have nothing to do with this, of that I feel very sure. I feel strongly there is some kind of dealing history in that part of the county and these angels innocently walked into it. I think this is a huge deal and spokespeople will not be sharing to much save for the very basics. IMVHO....

I don't know Data, stranger things have happened. Do you remember the case of 9 year old Krystal Tobias and her 8 year old friend, Laura Hobbs? They went missing on a Sunday and were found the next day. It turned out the person whom stabbed and beat them to death in the park was the father of one of them, angry because his daughter didn't want to return home. :(

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 01:31 PM
The familes have nothing to do with this, of that I feel very sure. I feel strongly there is some kind of dealing history in that part of the county and these angels innocently walked into it. I think this is a huge deal and spokespeople will not be sharing to much save for the very basics. IMVHO....

I agree with you, Data; I don't think the family is involved in the murders either.

SewingDeb
06-11-2008, 01:31 PM
From what I've read, the girls' bodies were brought to that location...so they were not found at the actual crime scene.

SeriouslySearching
06-11-2008, 01:33 PM
Not sure where you got that Deb, but they have stated the girls were killed exactly where they were found as far as they can tell. I would take this to mean the blood evidence was present at the scene along with the casings to support this.

christine2448
06-11-2008, 01:34 PM
From what I've read, the girls' bodies were brought to that location...so they were not found at the actual crime scene.

Hiya Deb! I hadn't seen that anywhere..they were gone such short time, how could that be? Could you share where you read this? TIA :blowkiss:

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 01:34 PM
They were on their way back according to the reports.

That's strange, because I was picturing them walking up on something. But if they were on their way back, they would have passed the same spot just a few minutes earlier. Maybe they walked up on something at the bridge, then walked (or ran) the other way -- back towards home, and then the vehicle came after them.