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ArizonaGiGi
06-15-2008, 09:15 PM
I would love to hear the 911 call the grandfather made.

ME TOO! How do you get to do that tho?

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 09:15 PM
OBE,
I don't think he knew either but I had to throw it out there.

Well I sure can understand that phila.....this one is a puzzler for sure.:)

Snowlover77
06-15-2008, 09:15 PM
Why would they kill them though if they didnt even know the girls or the girls them?

imo

If they knew the girls though....

Snowlover77
06-15-2008, 09:16 PM
ME TOO! How do you get to do that tho?
If LE releases to the public then we will be able to listen to it.

EnvoyDriver61
06-15-2008, 09:18 PM
If that raw footage from Thursday is available from the presser (maybe it was Wednesday) review it. The burgundy vehicle is clearly at a place where a mailbox is. I'll see if I can find it on the first thread.

Yes, it could be parked on the other side of the street from the crime scene; however, if you look at the memorial pictures, that stretch has to be where the scene was.

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 09:24 PM
Right...so why are we arguing about it? It clearly stated under the photo that the white truck was parked by Placker's mailbox. The crime scene is on the road on the left...same side of the road as the Placker's mailbox. The sign you see is at the intersection of the east-west road and the county line road. Which means that the guy and his truck WERE visible from someone driving east-west as well as going north on the county line road.

Leila
06-15-2008, 09:25 PM
Anything is possible. It just didn't seem to me that Taylor's parents were close w/ their family.


With no mention of Taylor's biological parents, I also feel that they - the biological parents - were probably estranged from the rest of the family, and probably for quite some time.

But that doesn't rule out that they might mention that they have family living in Weleetka in casual conversation with someone. Perhaps saying something like........"Yeah, my parents live in Weleetka, but we aren't on speaking terms."

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 09:26 PM
ME TOO! How do you get to do that tho?

That will be left up to a Judge.

He can seal it for now so that it will not prejudice the defendant should he be arrested and tried for the crime or if he thinks it will impede the investigation.

They sometimes will release it after an indictment but defense attorneys are making such a stink about it saying their client cant get a fair trial because the 911 call can be very emotional and I am sure this one is. They said that the grandfather was sobbing uncontrollably.

So until there is an arrest I don't think we will hear anything.


imoo

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 09:27 PM
I think the 'brother' pictured at the funeral is possibly her father and the grandparents took over raising her.

Beyond Belief
06-15-2008, 09:28 PM
the 3 young teens killed on a wyoming reservation June 6. Have we heard anything? Then this.

SuziQ
06-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Sorry for this late photo in response to posts earlier in the day, but I was gone.

Here's a better perspective of the road. Note in the distance, the other truck and as the road blends into the distance a curve to the left.

this is County Line Rd. looking south. The crime scene was close, but not as close as the other photo indicated.

http://photos.newsok.com/show_image.php?tn=0&nuvc=0&p=52616e646f6d49562b6a8234625a822113690c37a3ff4e72

Thanks for finding this. And double thanks for putting together that timeline. It's great!

Leila
06-15-2008, 09:29 PM
Could he also be hiding track marks on his arms?

Other possible reasons:

Has some physical reaction from sun due to disease or medications
Lives without A/C and is used to it
Some work he was doing, such as farming
Thought he was dressed up since he had on a bluish gray long sleeve shirt
Mental problems
Trying to cover up being a very thin person

Good points!

I'd like to add that some people never wear anything different. I know one older man, a retired police officer, who is always dressed in jeans, long-sleeved shirt, boots, and cowboy hat. It can be 100 degrees out and you'd never see him in a short-sleeved shirt or wearing shorts.

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 09:30 PM
I haven't heard about the 3 teens killed on a reservation. Do you have a link?

Beyond Belief
06-15-2008, 09:32 PM
I haven't heard about the 3 teens killed on a reservation. Do you have a link?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65724&highlight=teen+die+reservation

SieSie
06-15-2008, 09:37 PM
I havent got all caught up from last night yet but is it possible that Linda is Taylors mother? She would have been, what, 14 when Taylor was born right? Maybe she was raised as her sister because she was so young at the time. And she was raised as her sister. Thats why she would be listed as a sister in her Obit. Just a thought...
I'm still catching up, too, rc! I have a friend whose daughter was 14 when she got pregnant and my friend and her husband (the biological grandparents) adopted the little boy. If anything were to happen to him, heaven forbid, I'm positive that the grandparents would be listed as the parents and his birth mom would be listed as his "sister" in the obituary, as that's how he's been raised the past 11 years.

ArizonaGiGi
06-15-2008, 09:42 PM
Did they see two men having a sexual encounter? I keep asking myself what did these girls see or know that was so bad that they had to be killed? And the gay possibility keeps jumping out at me.

Maybe they just simply knew something that they weren't supposed to.
Someones sexual preference.
Someones illegal way of making money.
Someones crime.
Someones secret.

They just simply knew about it and were too risky to let them live.
The POI may not have been known to the girls, but was a part of the secret.
So he was the hitman in effect. Not worried about being recognized because he wasn't from the area. Maybe the girls were set up by the other persons involved, and waited for the girls at the creek, visited with them like normal, then alerted the POI who was waiting nearby.

Anybody know who was at the bridge when the girls were? I haven't heard that anyone actually talked to them at the bridge but I may have missed the post. They weren't there very long so maybe no one was at the bridge to visit with and they turned around and came right back.

EnvoyDriver61
06-15-2008, 09:42 PM
The raw video from the presser.

Note at 3:31, you can clearly see a mailbox.

Note at 4:28, you can clearly see the other cars in the far distance.

http://www.koco.com/video/16559486/index.html

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 09:44 PM
I think the 'brother' pictured at the funeral is possibly her father and the grandparents took over raising her.


Me too. Honestly I am missing what makes this so suspicious. Biological parents are just that. It looks like Taylor was always raised by her "Mom and Dad" and the bio mom may have walked out over 13 years ago and never looked back. This may be their son's child and he is comfortable with the arrangement. Maybe in Taylor's mind she had one Mom and one Dad only.

I know a high school classmate of mine got pregnant when she was 16 and her parents raised her child as their own child. She was known as her older sister. Now years later the child found out that the sister was actually the mother but she never recognized her as such. Only as her older sister and they remain close sisters.

When this girl grew up and got married the parents that raised her were listed as her parents in her wedding announcements and the sister (bio mom) was listed as her sister and Matron of Honor.

I really am not all that interested in their personal family dynamics. By all accounts, Taylor excelled and was a happy well adjusted child.

IMO

Albert18
06-15-2008, 09:45 PM
Remember we had that confusing picture where they showed a vehicle at the mailbox and then another vehicle and a man was shown a short distance up the road and the caption said that was crime scene? But the crime scene looked to be too close. That confusion comes from the fact newsok.com posted two different pictures with the exact same caption.

Philamena posted the link to the newsok.com pictures a few pages back. On page 7 of the pictures is the picture with the pickup at the mailbox and the other vehicle a short distance up the road. On page 8 they have the same caption for a picture that shows three vehicles, the white pickup at the mailbox and then another vehicle a short distance up the road and then farther up the road is another vehicle and a man is in the road. (EnvoyDriver61 just posted a link to that picture.) The picture on page 8 must be the correct picture for that caption.

Even still, the crime scene is not very far from the mailbox, which would be correct because 300 yards is not very far.

That same newsok.com site has on page 3 the picture of Skyla in the green basketball jersey. I love that picture. Her "Mona Lisa" smile. What a little beauty.

ArizonaGiGi
06-15-2008, 09:48 PM
the 3 young teens killed on a wyoming reservation June 6. Have we heard anything? Then this.

Linke pls. I haven't heard of the Wy story
Oooops never mind. I see it now.
Thanks

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 09:53 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65724&highlight=teen+die+reservation


Thanks. I hadnt heard of that case.

imoo

SewingDeb
06-15-2008, 09:58 PM
:) Well I wish that is the only time I could say I say it but then that would be dishonest. It is just a habit here in the South......believe me I am not the only either......thank goodness. So plenty of folks understands me because they do it too.:crazy:

imoo

LOL I'm a southerner through and through so I totally understand.

JBean
06-15-2008, 09:58 PM
I have seen reports that refer to the grandparents as the bio grandparents. If that is accurate, we know it is the child of one of the kids.
My suspicion is that perhaps she is the product of 2 step siblings
One Placker one Paschal and it is just not a topic open for discussion in their eyes. I would think in their opinion, it is no one's business and she has been raised by the grandparents.
JMHO of course!

txsvicki
06-15-2008, 10:00 PM
I still think it was probably random, but LE was supposed to be checking on robberies or sexual assaults that may have been reported. I don't suppose this POI was watching for the witness to leave home and then go steal a car part, gasoline, etc. and the girls saw something. There could have been a recognizable local with him that the girls saw come back to the truck hauling something he had stolen.

Snowlover77
06-15-2008, 10:04 PM
Maybe they just simply knew something that they weren't supposed to.
Someones sexual preference.
Someones illegal way of making money.
Someones crime.
Someones secret.

They just simply knew about it and were too risky to let them live.
The POI may not have been known to the girls, but was a part of the secret.
So he was the hitman in effect. Not worried about being recognized because he wasn't from the area. Maybe the girls were set up by the other persons involved, and waited for the girls at the creek, visited with them like normal, then alerted the POI who was waiting
Anybody know who was at the bridge when the girls were? I haven't heard that anyone actually talked to them at the bridge but I may have missed the post. They weren't there very long so maybe no one was at the bridge to visit with and they turned around and came right back.
This is what I am talking about. I believe they knew something..not seen something. They might have discovered someone's nasty little secret and were killed because of what they knew.
This is somewhat similiar to the Alex Kreider case. Yall rememebr that? he kiled his best freind. I think it was in Pennsylvania. He not only killed the freind but the friends parents too. Got in their home in the middle of the night and stabbbed them all...except the older daughter who heard noises and ran to a neighbors home and called 911. And there was alot of talk about these guys being gay and perhaps that ws the reason behind the killing. Cause these guys were best friends but in the end, one brutally stabbed the other one. So If taylor and Skyla knew something similiar to this it could be why they were murdered.

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 10:06 PM
I'm not reading too much into what grandpa supposedly said, because we heard this through Skyla's mom and through the media, right?
It is very possible that Taylor's grandfather phrased it differently than what Skyla's mom remembers. After all, this has been a very tough, stressful and shocking time for the family, and one's recollection might not be as sharp when trying to remember words or sequence of events. Maybe Skyla's mom was paraphrasing, and not quoting exactly what grandpa said.


I thought this is what Skyla's grandmother said that he told her daughter when he rushed to hold her back when she came up the road toward the crime scene?

What did Skyla's mom say he said?

I would think it would be hard to process all of that information and remember verbatim. I would be in such shock that I am not even sure I could hear people even around me talking.

imoo

becklynn
06-15-2008, 10:08 PM
When LE said the girls were shot with different calibur bullets did they mean each girl was shot with a different gun? Or two guns on both girls?

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 10:08 PM
LOL I'm a southerner through and through so I totally understand.

See!:D:D

concernedperson
06-15-2008, 10:08 PM
Nothing posted has changed my opinion that this is a thrill kill for one or two sick minded individuals.It has nothing to do with parentage but rather an opportunity for evil. I will gladly eat my words if it is anything but. Truly, I don't think tis has anything to do with family.

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 10:09 PM
When LE said the girls were shot with different calibur bullets did they mean each girl was shot with a different gun? Or two guns on both girls?

2 different guns used on each girl.

TisHerself
06-15-2008, 10:09 PM
Nancy Grace is covering it right now. according to the police they do believe that there were two shooters! Skyler's grandmother is on,she says the police are trying hard to find the killers. As of now they have no suspects and no idea why this happened. The police believe that the suspects are local,

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 10:10 PM
the 3 young teens killed on a wyoming reservation June 6. Have we heard anything? Then this.Friends, relatives and community members had heard several rumors about a possible teenage get-together that ended in tragedy, Lonebear said. But as of Thursday none of the relatives of the victims knew for sure what really happened.

http://www.northernarapaho.com/node/120

Sounds like possibly drug related and I doubt has anything to do with this case...but I will be interested to hear about the autopsy results this week.

EnvoyDriver61
06-15-2008, 10:11 PM
A housekeeping question. This is a long thread, I've noticed admins/mods stepping in and starting new threads and who I think are posters doing it.

What is the official needs new thread actions?

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 10:12 PM
Nothing posted has changed my opinion that this is a thrill kill for one or two sick minded individuals.It has nothing to do with parentage but rather an opportunity for evil. I will gladly eat my words if it is anything but. Truly, I don't think tis has anything to do with family.

Well I may have to join you.

I have no earthly idea why this evil person did this but I do believe he did and I don't think it has anything to do with Taylor's mom and dad or family.

imoo

oceanblueeyes
06-15-2008, 10:13 PM
Nancy Grace is covering it right now. according to the police they do believe that there were two shooters! Skyler's grandmother is on,she says the police are trying hard to find the killers. As of now they have no suspects and no idea why this happened.

Is this a new show or one of her reruns she has on the weekends sometimes?

tia

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 10:17 PM
Anyone can start a new thread. I will go ahead and do that. Usually Wind breezes in and closes one then starts another one. I guess she was counting on me and I let her down. LOL Sorry. Be right back.

TisHerself
06-15-2008, 10:17 PM
Is this a new show or one of her reruns she has on the weekends sometimes?

tia


It's a new one!

txsvicki
06-15-2008, 10:18 PM
It's probably the rerun where Skyla's relative says that they knew that the girls had been shot by two people because of the way they were laying and had no time to run, or for one girl to have tried to run and be a further distance away.

TisHerself
06-15-2008, 10:20 PM
It's probably the rerun where Skyla's relative says that they knew that the girls had been shot by two people because of the way they were laying and had no time to run, or for one girl to have tried to run and be a further distance away.



No it is not that one.

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 10:22 PM
Continue here please: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2298865#post2298865

Westbender
06-15-2008, 10:24 PM
Has anyone considered the reason the truck was sideways in the road was because the perp was about to load the girls' bodies in the back to dispose of them elsewhere? Maybe that's the reason the witnesses had the feeling that the POI was looking "suspicious". He may have gotten spooked by the passing cars and decided to abort the idea and just left them there. Food for thought...

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 10:25 PM
The back end of the truck must have been out in the road instead of backed up to the crime scene because the witnesses could tell it had an Oklahoma tag. I would think if he were loading the girls...he would have backed in there.

philamena
06-15-2008, 10:26 PM
Well I sure can understand that phila.....this one is a puzzler for sure.:)

I hope and pray the perp if found tonight.
Can you imagine how the girls families feel?
No rhyme or reason for such brutal murders. :(

SeriouslySearching
06-15-2008, 10:26 PM
Can we please move the discussion to the new thread? Thanks!

Continue here please: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2298865#post2298865

Westbender
06-15-2008, 10:28 PM
Wasn't there conflicting reports as to which end of the truck was toward the ditch? Couldn't the front of the truck have had a non-official tag on referring to the state of OK in some way?

Snowlover77
06-15-2008, 10:29 PM
Has anyone considered the reason the truck was sideways in the road was because the perp was about to load the girls' bodies in the back to dispose of them elsewhere? Maybe that's the reason the witnesses had the feeling that the POI was looking "suspicious". He may have gotten spooked by the passing cars and decided to abort the idea and just left them there. Food for thought...
The actual quote was ,"the truck was actually kind of blocking the way there." I don't think it was sideways but it was blocking the road. The word sideays was not said in the article. I take that to mean perhaps it was sitting at a peculiar angle instead of sitting just straight.

harleysnana
06-15-2008, 11:11 PM
Did they see two men having a sexual encounter? I keep asking myself what did these girls see or know that was so bad that they had to be killed? And the gay possibility keeps jumping out at me.

Why would someone kill 2 girls becasue they were gay?

chicoliving
06-15-2008, 11:14 PM
New thread here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66136