Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #3

[SeriouslySearching]

Thread 1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65845
Thread 2: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66012

POI:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/POI1.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Investigators released a sketch of a possible witness Friday in the slaying of best friends shot to death along a country road as their families laid them to rest.

Police are seeking an American Indian male, about 6-foot and 35 years of age, who was seen in the area where Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13, and Skyla Whitaker, 11, were killed Sunday along a dirt road in Weleetka, Okla.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Skyla Jade Whitaker a resident of Rural Henryetta (Salem) passed this life on June 8, 2008 at the age of 11. Born April 5, 1997 in Joplin, Missouri to William and Rose (Farrow) Whitaker. Skyla attended Graham School. She is preceded in death by a Grandmother “Sam” Getman
Survived by her parents; William and Rose Whitaker of the home
3 Sisters: Rosita Gordon of Tulsa,Ok
Christina Whitaker of Popular Bluff, Missouri
Jayme Whitaker of the home.
Brother: Edward Gordon of Columbus, Kansas
Maternal Grandparents: Jim and Claudia Farrow of rural Graham,OK
Paternal Grandparents: Bill and Sharron Whitaker of Baxter Springs, KS
Linda Pritchard of Henryettta
“Granny”- Hester Gregg of Wagnor
“Grandpa”- Harold Getman of Baxter Springs, KS
Great Grandmother- Mary Pritchard of Miller, Missouri Services will be 2:00pm, Friday, June 13, 2008 at the Henryetta First Baptist Church with Rev. Jim Paslay, officiating. Services are under the direction of the Rogers Funeral Home.

http://www.eboards4all.com/728165/messages/1247.html

Video Tribute by the Rogers Funeral Home at http://videos.lifetributes.com/20515
ETA: Just watched the tribute and you might want to have some tissues handy.Thought I should move these here.

[SeriouslySearching]

Birth: Mar. 6, 1995
Oklahoma City
Oklahoma County
Oklahoma, USADeath: Jun. 8, 2008
Weleetka
Okfuskee County
Oklahoma, USA
She was the daughter of Peter and Vicky Placker. Taylor attended Graham School where she was involved in the 4H Club, cheerleading, and was on the Superintendent's Honor Role. She was preceded in death by maternal grandparents Ruby and Carl Paschal, and by her paternal grandparents, Petra and Arvie Placker. Taylor and friend Skyla Jade Whitaker, were found shot to death on a rural road near Taylor's home. Funeral services will be held Friday, June 13, 2008 at 10:00 am at Dewar First Baptist Church with the Rev. Ron King officiating. Burial will be at Westlawn Cemetery under the direction of Shurden Funeral Home.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Paschal-Placker&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSob=n&GRid=27445144&Here is the other one.

[evelyn24]

Brown called the man a "witness" and a "possible person of interest," and said someone saw him standing in front of a white Ford or Chevy single-cab pickup truck on County Line Road around the time of the girls' death.

"He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

The truck had a thin chrome stripe down the side and Oklahoma plates, she said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

Ok, is it possible he had the girls in his truck at one point and told them to "keep down." You know, ready to take off with them (sex offender) but when people drove by and saw him standing outside of his truck he thinks, "Oh @*&# , I can't go through with taking them now, and just orders them out, makes them stand there in the ditch and shoots them?
Takes off like a bat out of hell.
Since nobody saw him with the girls, he cannot be (in his mind) linked to them.
Now, I know he could've just as easily took off with them, killed them, and buried them somewhere remote, but I think he panicked when he was seen by cars passing by.
IF this is him.
Maybe he even tried to abducted them, and they started to run. He then went after them and made them stop in their tracks by pulling a gun on them. Trust me, someone pulls a gun and threatens you, you do what they say.
This might explain the rage as well.
He was pissed he was "rejected", or that they fought back, or mad that he was interupted by passing cars?

I'm just tossing out theories.
I still say it's either a thrill kill, just a kill due to anger and rage at society in general and took it out on these two little girls.
OR this is an abduction gone wrong.

Also, he could be the only shooter, or his "partner" might have been in the truck and not visible. Maybe even a younger friend or relative?

UGH My head is spinning.

[anneinchicago]

Looking at the obits, I thought Taylor lived with her grandparents, but called them Mom and Dad?

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is possible he had them in the truck at one point unless they have their shoeprints coming back to that point from the bridge. Since they seemed certain the girls made it to the bridge and were returning...the only thing I can think of are the shoeprints giving them evidence not to mention the other witness who saw the girls right before they were murdered. Of course, they didn't say he didn't see them inside a vehicle. Interesting.

[OrdinaryLife]

According to LE and Ms Brown, the angels were murdered where they stood.

[murdershewrote]

maybe he was standing "watch" by the truck

This sketch is so detailed, the witness must have seen him pretty close up. But never actually saw the girls either walking or lying by the side of the road?

[evelyn24]

I think it is possible he had them in the truck at one point unless they have their shoeprints coming back to that point from the bridge. Since they seemed certain the girls made it to the bridge and were returning...the only thing I can think of are the shoeprints giving them evidence not to mention the other witness who saw the girls right before they were murdered. Of course, they didn't say he didn't see them inside a vehicle. Interesting.

Yea, the chances he had them in his truck even for a brief moment is slim.
On the other hand, don't forget Taylors phone constantly ringing. Maybe he thought, someone is coming to look for them soon IF he had them in his truck..then told them to get out and then did his evil act.
The chance the girls resisted an abduction and were killed for it is a very high possibility IMO. Maybe the other crime the girls foiled was their own abduction not a drug deal? Whether he got them in his truck or not is up for a good debate. After all, at this point anything is possible until they catch the person who did it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Looking at the obits, I thought Taylor lived with her grandparents, but called them Mom and Dad?Yes, evidently they considered themselves Mom and Dad. There is also no mention of the mother or father which I found very odd. I noticed she has the names of the other grandparents and their name. The Plackers are the father's parents evidently.

[blaize]

That's a very detailed sketch, I'm sure someone local can identify this man or if he's an innocent witness he may come forward himself.

[evelyn24]

According to LE and Ms Brown, the angels were murdered where they stood.

That doesn't mean they didn't turn away from him and start to walk or run when he asked them to get in his truck, or maybe said to them, "i'll ride you home."
Murdered where they stood just means that they were shot and killed where they were standing and found, and were not killed in another location and dropped off in the ditch. A grown man could easily make two girls who are walking away STOP in their tracks and stand there by pulling a gun on them.

I don't know, but I will stick with a "thrill kill" or an abduction gone wrong until some other evidence leaks that leads me away from that theory.

[OrdinaryLife]

That doesn't mean they didn't turn away from him and start to walk or run when he asked them to get in his truck, or maybe said to them, "i'll ride you home."
Murdered where they stood just means that they were shot and killed where they were standing and found, and were not killed in another location and dropped off in the ditch. A grown man could easily make two girls who are walking away STOP in their tracks and stand there by pulling a gun on them.

I don't know, but I will stick with a "thrill kill" or an abduction gone wrong until some other evidence leaks that leads me away from that theory.


They were shot multiple times into the front of their bodies. They were faced with their shooter. One shooter doing both girls? I disagree. Both were found within feet of each other. No one ran. They never had a chance. IMVHO and from what hs been shared from LE.

[SeriouslySearching]

maybe he was standing "watch" by the truck

This sketch is so detailed, the witness must have seen him pretty close up. But never actually saw the girls either walking or lying by the side of the road?That is possible, too. I find it odd he would be kind of blocking the road tho. I would think if they drove around him...they would have been able to see more of what he was doing. First, I heard that he was beside the truck with the door opened (IIRC) and next heard that he was standing in front of the truck.

[MissieMt]

Wow, I have missed alot but unfortunately I had to work. I am so happy they have such a detailed sketch of the poi. IMO there is no way he won't be identified soon if he is local.

[anneinchicago]

Okay, I realise this has probably nothing to do with anything, but I find it curious. I also thought I would take a break from trying to figure out timelines, guns, and witnesses.


Yes, evidently they considered themselves Mom and Dad. There is also no mention of the mother or father which I found very odd. Maybe they adopted her tho since she has their names.

From the obit:
She was the daughter of Peter and Vicky Placker. Taylor attended Graham School where she was involved in the 4H Club, cheerleading, and was on the Superintendent's Honor Role. She was preceded in death by maternal grandparents Ruby and Carl Paschal, and by her paternal grandparents, Petra and Arvie Placker.

And from Fox News (and elsewhere, I'm sure)

Placker and his wife had custody of Taylor, who called them "mom" and "dad." He said Taylor was a straight-A student who quickly made friends when the family moved to Weleetka from Oklahoma City several years ago.

So the Plackers would seem to be not her biological grandparents as both sets are listed as deceased. But Taylor did have both sets of the deceased grandparents' names.

So, in the absence of any other speculation on the POI/witness, who were Taylor's parents and why did the Plackers move to Weleetka? How old was Taylor when and if she were adopted?

[evelyn24]

Again, just because they were found close to one another and shot in the front doesn't mean they weren't walking AWAY from some creep who was trying to get them in his truck. As far as multiple guns, it is a rural area and I'm sure many people own more than one type of gun, and maybe even carry them in their truck.
I could be completely wrong, but I can see a pedo driving around just waiting to see someone who triggers that need in them. Spots the girls, and decides, This is it.
When his plan is foiled, by witnesses driving by or foiled by the girls he gets enraged, and kills them on the spot. Unloaded one gun in them then gets another to make sure they won't talk? Maybe he's been in jail for this type of crime before and doesn't want to go back.
There is also a strong possibility it is two unsubs who are the killers and both were driving around together on the same mission. They are very close friends or even relatives.
We'll see.

I don't think the murders were drug related at all.

[murdershewrote]

I mean, whoever did this...had to do it quick. They were on the side of the road in daylight with the potential for any number of other vehicles to come passing by. Not exactly the ideal spot for the slaying of two people.

I had a question though...I read/heard that the girls were found in a ditch but it didn't seem like there would be a ditch right there by the side of the road. How close to the actual road were they found and is this a dirt or paved road?

[SeriouslySearching]

Taylor evidently was Peter and Vicky's son's daughter. The other grandparents (Paschals) listed are probably the other grands and the other Plackers are the greatgrands.

[SeriouslySearching]

I mean, whoever did this...had to do it quick. They were on the side of the road in daylight with the potential for any number of other vehicles to come passing by. Not exactly the ideal spot for the slaying of two people.

I had a question though...I read/heard that the girls were found in a ditch but it didn't seem like there would be a ditch right there by the side of the road. How close to the actual road were they found and is this a dirt or paved road?The ditch is really a slight depression then it goes into a very weedy and thick area of folliage according to the photos we have seen. If the memorial is any indication...they were laying in front of a tree in the weeds right beside the small ditch.

[kahskye]

They were shot multiple times into the front of their bodies. They were faced with their shooter. One shooter doing both girls? I disagree. Both were found within feet of each other. No one ran. They never had a chance. IMVHO and from what hs been shared from LE.

I remember people thinking there was more than one murderer in the Brenda Groene, Slade Groene, and Mark Mckenzie case and then found out it to be Duncan acting alone. I think one shooter could have threatened the girls so that they were frozen in their tracks. He could have immediately shot at their legs causing them to fall.

[STEADFAST]

Yes, evidently they considered themselves Mom and Dad. There is also no mention of the mother or father which I found very odd. I noticed she has the names of the other grandparents and their name. The Plackers are the father's parents evidently.

Also no mention of her sister or the brothers that the sister shows on her page. I think her grandparents must have legally adopted her as their daughter, so the relationships get really complicated.

[evelyn24]

I mean, whoever did this...had to do it quick. They were on the side of the road in daylight with the potential for any number of other vehicles to come passing by. Not exactly the ideal spot for the slaying of two people.

I had a question though...I read/heard that the girls were found in a ditch but it didn't seem like there would be a ditch right there by the side of the road. How close to the actual road were they found and is this a dirt or paved road?

Yea, that's why it's either a thrill kill, or a panicked kill to prevent the girls from talking about something. Thrill killers don't care what time of day it is or anything like that, and someone who panicked and killed them to shut them up had no choice in what time of day it was or who was passing by, they had to risk it to prevent something worse happening (in their minds)....being identified and going to jail, or more likely BACK to jail.
JMO
I'm trying to figure out what would trigger the murder of two little girls. And right now since the family seems to be out of the loop, and there wasn't rape, I have to say a thrill kill, or a foiled abduction attempt, then the person or persons freaked and killed the girls on the spot and took off.

[SeriouslySearching]

Makes me wonder where their son is.

Another theory they were looking into was if the girls met someone on the internet and were meeting them.

[lisay]

I wonder who the Jessica Placker is that is in the photo album in Taylors Obit.
http://www.legacy.com/OKLAHOMAN/GB/PhotoAlbum.aspx?PersonID=111261323&EntryId=

[STEADFAST]

Here's part of a former memorial to Taylor that was merged with the present one. It included her brothers and sisters:

Jessie Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Chris Placker of Sallisaw, OK. Sisters: Jennifer Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Linda Kaye Placker of Weleetka, OK.

[SeriouslySearching]

Wait...are those half-brothers and sisters then? So the grandparents raised them all? This family is very confusing! Half have the Pashal name and the other half have the Placker name then Taylor had both!

[SuziQ]

I mean, whoever did this...had to do it quick. They were on the side of the road in daylight with the potential for any number of other vehicles to come passing by. Not exactly the ideal spot for the slaying of two people.

I had a question though...I read/heard that the girls were found in a ditch but it didn't seem like there would be a ditch right there by the side of the road. How close to the actual road were they found and is this a dirt or paved road?

And then you'd have to think about that if the POI is not the suspect, he's the second known witness on that road near the time the girls were shot. Jessica Brown stated in the presser that their were several witnesses now that saw that truck. How many she means I don't know. But it's starting to sound like plenty of people were near or on the road.

ETA: I do not remember the exact words Jessica used. I still haven't watched the entire presser.

[OrdinaryLife]

Two weapons and different calibers. Can one POI be packing two different weapons and shoot both angels with such precision, such accuracy??? Sorry, I don't think so...

Two perps and two guns.

[STEADFAST]

Wait...are those half-brothers and sisters then? So the grandparents raised them all? This family is very confusing! Half have the Pashal name and the other half have the Placker name then Taylor had both!

One of her brothers or sisters must be her biological parent.
At least one of these relatives has a violent criminal record.
I wonder about this relative's associates.

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is Linda's myspace page (I know we already found it, but some may not have seen it yet.): http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=309562466

[evelyn24]

Thank you, SS.

[evelyn24]

And then you'd have to think about that if the POI is not the suspect, he's the second known witness on that road near the time the girls were shot. Jessica Brown stated in the presser that their were several witnesses now that saw that truck. How many she means I don't know. But it's starting to sound like plenty of people were near or on the road.

ETA: I do not remember the exact words Jessica used. I still haven't watched the entire presser.

This guy could be a witness too, and for whatever reason (maybe he as a record) doesn't want to come forward, and now they are forcing him.
I'm not saying this guy did it, but I still lean toward a thrill kill, or a foiled abduction and a fast panicked kill. Two killers are more likely, but it's not necessarily out of the question that it was only one person.

JMO

[noZme]

Also no mention of her sister or the brothers that the sister shows on her page. I think her grandparents must have legally adopted her as their daughter, so the relationships get really complicated.

One of her brothers or sisters must be her biological parent.
At least one of these relatives has a violent criminal record.
I wonder about this relative's associates.

Wait...are those half-brothers and sisters then? So the grandparents raised them all? This family is very confusing! Half have the Pashal name and the other half have the Placker name then Taylor had both!

even though we know many relatives' names, the difficulty with understanding taylor's family tree, is there are step-families involved & a lot of nicknames. some may be confusing just like in my own family, my parents cousins are known to me as "uncle & aunt" although they are technically 2nd cousins.

yesterday there was discussion here about possible incarceration of close relatives. i've seen references to that in comments with news articles. that may explain her living with the grandparents. there are links to my space & blogs of some of her relatives..... but trust me, one would find charting most people's family tree challenging.

in any case, she was a darling girl who was loved by many, excelling in school & making big plans for her future, the loss of which has affected the hearts of so many who never even met her.

i have nothing but respect for the families of both girls.

[SuziQ]

Two weapons and different calibers. Can one POI be packing two different weapons and shoot both angels with such precision, such accuracy??? Sorry, I don't think so...

Two perps and two guns.

I don't have a clue how many people were involved. But you don't need accuracy with an automatic weapon. And the only shots that seem accurate is the head shots. One person could very well have downed the girls then used another weapon for the headshot. We can't assume the guns were fired simultanously by two people. I wish we knew which gun fired which shots. I have a feeling one gun fired the body shots, then another fired the head shots. JMO, IMO, etc etc.

[oceanblueeyes]

This guy could be a witness too, and for whatever reason (maybe he as a record) doesn't want to come forward, and now they are forcing him.
I'm not saying this guy did it, but I still lean toward a thrill kill, or a foiled abduction and a fast panicked kill. Two killers are more likely, but it's not necessarily out of the question that it was only one person.

JMO

I don't think he is a witness. I think he is THE suspect. LE always prefaces that they only want to speak with them but yet they are putting the entire country on notice that they are looking for this man. I have never seen one of these cases turn out where the person they are seeking is innocent of wrongdoing but later it is determined they were the suspect all along.

I think he has disappeared because of the heat being on in that community. He most likely fled the area shortly after the crimes.

I think it is just as plausible that this man shot these children with the revolver which holds six bullets and when he knew he had only disabled them and they were still moving, most likely he drew another weapon that he had in his truck and shot 6 more times until they didn't move anymore. I think he is armed and dangerous. Wouldn't surprise me if he carries many guns.

I think he was probably trying to talk the girls into talking with him or going for a ride and they moved over to the ditch away from him and would not look his way and kept walking, ignoring him. He may have gone on by them then swung around and came back up to them and without warning he shot them both. I do believe he will have sexual assault charges in his past and when the girls rejected him.......he lay in wait and shot them as if they meant nothing.

I do think in away it was a thrill kill. IMO he relished it all with each pull of the trigger.

Imo if the witness or witnesses saw him in the road outside of his truck...the girls were coming toward him and he was waiting for them.

imoo

[Snowlover77]

First free time I've had since this happened so I have to post my thoughts. This is what I first thought when I read about these killings.
It seems to me that this was planned. How likely is it that these young girls run into a killer within 30 minutes of leaving their home? I know it happens sometimes but this case to me has premeditation all over it. It seems more likely that the killer(s) were waiting for them. Maybe an online friendship of some kind and it was a planned meeting. The motive? I have not made up my mind yet on that. I also think the killer(s) are quite young. Guns are easy to get and in Oklahoma where many people hunt, seems like it might even be easier to obtain a gun.

[SeriouslySearching]

We weren't trying to be disrespectful of her blended family. Figuring out the family dynamics can be important to lead to people outside the family who might have reason to harm the girls. Associations of her step-siblings, her biological mother's family or friends, and others could hold a key to these murders. This is the only reason we get into the family's business in such a way.

[Beyond Belief]

I'll be digging thru the ex cons in the OK corrections dept.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/

[SeriouslySearching]

I did that today already, but you are welcome to go through them again, BB. :)

[KR2tonenow]

That's a very detailed sketch, I'm sure someone local can identify this man or if he's an innocent witness he may come forward himself.

I agree, amazing sketch. I would really like to hear more from their reliable witness. Where was the white truck, in relation to when the girls where last seen?

What is the timeline? mintues...seconds.

[KR2tonenow]

I don't think he is a witness. I think he is THE suspect. LE always prefaces that they only want to speak with them but yet they are putting the entire country on notice that they are looking for this man. I have never seen one of these cases turn out where the person they are seeking is innocent of wrongdoing but later it is determined they were the suspect all along.

I think he has disappeared because of the heat being on in that community. He most likely fled the area shortly after the crimes.

I think it is just as plausible that this man shot these children with the revolver which holds six bullets and when he knew he had only disabled them and they were still moving, most likely he drew another weapon that he had in his truck and shot 6 more times until they didn't move anymore. I think he is armed and dangerous. Wouldn't surprise me if he carries many guns.

I think he was probably trying to talk the girls into talking with him or going for a ride and they moved over to the ditch away from him and would not look his way and kept walking, ignoring him. He may have gone on by them then swung around and came back up to them and without warning he shot them both. I do believe he will have sexual assault charges in his past and when the girls rejected him.......he lay in wait and shot them as if they meant nothing.

I do think in away it was a thrill kill. IMO he relished it all with each pull of the trigger.

Imo if the witness or witnesses saw him in the road outside of his truck...the girls were coming toward him and he was waiting for them.

imoo

Bingo, perfect assessment based on all information given to us! I believe he is a predator/killer, hence the sketch.

[KR2tonenow]

I'll be digging thru the ex cons in the OK corrections dept.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/

Good idea, BB. This guy should have a full sheet!

[STEADFAST]

i have nothing but respect for the families of both girls.

I don't for a minute suspect anyone in Taylor's family of killing her. They seem to be an especially loving family, to her and to each other.

But . . . there may very well be people, with ties to one or more of them, who are violent, criminal, and capable of this murder. Until know the motive (if any) for the murder, I don't think we should rule out someone targeting this family.

[concernedperson]

I don't think he is a witness. I think he is THE suspect. LE always prefaces that they only want to speak with them but yet they are putting the entire country on notice that they are looking for this man. I have never seen one of these cases turn out where the person they are seeking is innocent of wrongdoing but later it is determined they were the suspect all along.

I think he has disappeared because of the heat being on in that community. He most likely fled the area shortly after the crimes.

I think it is just as plausible that this man shot these children with the revolver which holds six bullets and when he knew he had only disabled them and they were still moving, most likely he drew another weapon that he had in his truck and shot 6 more times until they didn't move anymore. I think he is armed and dangerous. Wouldn't surprise me if he carries many guns.

I think he was probably trying to talk the girls into talking with him or going for a ride and they moved over to the ditch away from him and would not look his way and kept walking, ignoring him. He may have gone on by them then swung around and came back up to them and without warning he shot them both. I do believe he will have sexual assault charges in his past and when the girls rejected him.......he lay in wait and shot them as if they meant nothing.

I do think in away it was a thrill kill. IMO he relished it all with each pull of the trigger.

Imo if the witness or witnesses saw him in the road outside of his truck...the girls were coming toward him and he was waiting for them.

imoo

I have said from the beginning this was a thrill kill. I agree with your assessment.It shouldn't take long for him to be apprehended as the sketch is quite good.

[Busylady]

I dont believe Linda is Taylors mother.
http://clutteredeclecticmind.blogspot.com/
By Monday afternoon, residents were leaving flowers and other mementoes as a makeshift memorial to the girls at the site where their bodies were found. Joe Mosher, Taylor's uncle, said the family is struggling with Taylor's loss. An account for donations to pay for her funeral expenses has been set up at Weleetka Commerce Bank (http://www.bocok.net/) (405-786-2216 - Weleetka
888-786-2216 - Weleetka toll-free) . "Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor's mother. "They're a very poor family."

So Taylors mom would of originally been a Mosher and Taylors father a Placker?

[SeriouslySearching]

Good idea, BB. This guy should have a full sheet!I found a couple that were posted on the last thread that did have pretty full rap sheets. I went through all of those, but so many didn't have photos with them. The ones I posted did tho.

[SeriouslySearching]

I dont believe Linda is Taylors mother.
http://clutteredeclecticmind.blogspot.com/
By Monday afternoon, residents were leaving flowers and other mementoes as a makeshift memorial to the girls at the site where their bodies were found. Joe Mosher, Taylor's uncle, said the family is struggling with Taylor's loss. An account for donations to pay for her funeral expenses has been set up at Weleetka Commerce Bank (http://www.bocok.net/) (405-786-2216 - Weleetka
888-786-2216 - Weleetka toll-free) . "Her parents are really distraught," said Mosher, who is the brother of Taylor's mother. "They're a very poor family."

So Taylors mom would of originally been a Mosher and Taylors father a Placker?No, Her biological mother's name is Paschal and her father's name is Placker hence the Taylor Paschal-Placker. Joe Mosher is the brother of Vicky Placker who is technically her grandmother...but Taylor calls them Mom and Dad.

Evidently, the Paschal children must be from Taylor's biological mother. The Placker children could be from another mother, but from Taylor's father OR they are Vicky and Peter's (grandparents) children. In any event, the grandparents ended up with all the kids. So it goes back to where are Taylor's parents?

[Busylady]

This is whats confusing me

Vicky (maiden name Townsend) was married to a Kenneth B. Paschal and had Christopher Bryan Paschal, and Jennings Bryan Paschal - she divorced Kenneth Paschal 11/17/1982. So Mosher could not be Vicky's brother as Vicky's maiden name was Townsend. So I am thinking Taylors father is either Christopher or Jennings and that is why the Paschal name is included in Taylors name.

No, Her biological mother's name is Paschal and her father's name is Placker hence the Taylor Paschal-Placker. Joe Mosher is the brother of Vicky Placker who is technically her grandmother...but Taylor calls them Mom and Dad.

[txsvicki]

Are there any updates on the sketch of the man? I think he looks Cherokee since he resembles my ex (who is too old to be this man).

[KR2tonenow]

I found a couple that were posted on the last thread that did have pretty full rap sheets. I went through all of those, but so many didn't have photos with them. The ones I posted did tho.

Do you mind bringing those forward too??:)

[SeriouslySearching]

This is a cartoon in the Tulsa World that is heartbreaking...

http://www.tulsaworld.com/opinion/article.aspx?subjectID=63&articleID=20080613_7_A14_aNoAr51268

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/Plante.jpg

[SeriouslySearching]

I was just doing that when I saw the drawing above and wanted to repost it. It is so sweet. See the little turtle?

Here is one I found and another one that Tamfish found:

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=189526&offender_book_id=82817

If we are going to go thru the Sex Offenders nearby, I say this one matches the sketch better than any of the others I've seen:

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=6922&county=Okfuskee#begin

[STEADFAST]

No, Her biological mother's name is Paschal and her father's name is Placker hence the Taylor Paschal-Placker. Joe Mosher is the brother of Vicky Placker who is technically her grandmother...but Taylor calls them Mom and Dad.
Evidently, the Paschal children must be from Taylor's biological mother. The Placker children could be from another mother, but from Taylor's father OR they are Vicky and Peter's (grandparents) children. In any event, the grandparents ended up with all the kids. So it goes back to where are Taylor's parents?

Vicky's (Taylor's grandmother) was married to a Paschal; then she married Peter Placker, and she goes by Vicky Paschal-Placker. I think the Paschal children are Vicky's, and the Placker children are Peter's (and probably Vicky's, too.) So, it is very doubtful that Taylor's mother is a Paschal and her father a Placker.
I believe the reason Taylor goes by Paschal-Placker is because she is the biological daughter of one of Vicky's Paschal children, yet she is the legal daughter of Peter Placker.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL OK then I am totally confused now. I give up on figuring out who her parents really are. I wish someone in the press would find out from someone and write it up!

[STEADFAST]

This is whats confusing me

Vicky (maiden name Townsend) was married to a Kenneth B. Paschal and had Christopher Bryan Paschal, and Jennings Bryan Paschal - she divorced Kenneth Paschal 11/17/1982. So Mosher could not be Vicky's brother as Vicky's maiden name was Townsend. So I am thinking Taylors father is either Christopher or Jennings and that is why the Paschal name is included in Taylors name.

I think Joe Mosher's wife, Nell, is probably either Vicky or Peter's sister.

[Busylady]

You are correct the Placker children are Vicky and Peters, the Paschal children are Vicky (maiden name Townsend) and Kenneth Paschal's children. Does your head feel like its spinning yet? lol

Vicky's (Taylor's grandmother's)maiden name is Paschal; she married Peter Placker, and she goes by Vicky Paschal-Placker. I think the Paschal children are Vicky's, and the Placker children are Peter's (and probably Vicky's, too.) So, it is very doubtful that Taylor's mother is a Paschal and her father a Placker.
I believe the reason Taylor goes by Paschal-Placker is because she is the biological daughter of one of Vicky's Paschal children, yet she is the legal daughter of Peter Placker.

[Busylady]

I think Joe Mosher's sister is the birthmom of Taylor and that either Jennings or Christopher (also spelled Kristopher in the records) is Taylors father.

I think Joe Mosher's wife, Nell, is probably either Vicky or Peter's sister.

[STEADFAST]

This is whats confusing me

Vicky (maiden name Townsend) was married to a Kenneth B. Paschal and had Christopher Bryan Paschal, and Jennings Bryan Paschal - she divorced Kenneth Paschal 11/17/1982. So Mosher could not be Vicky's brother as Vicky's maiden name was Townsend. So I am thinking Taylors father is either Christopher or Jennings and that is why the Paschal name is included in Taylors name.

You ARE a busy lady! I'm going to edit my post in light of your information.

[STEADFAST]

I think Joe Mosher's sister is the birthmom of Taylor and that either Jennings or Christopher (also spelled Kristopher in the records) is Taylors father.

Joe Mosher's sister??? Wow, now I'm really confused.
I do think Christopher is Taylor's father.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I don't have a clue how many people were involved. But you don't need accuracy with an automatic weapon. And the only shots that seem accurate is the head shots. One person could very well have downed the girls then used another weapon for the headshot. We can't assume the guns were fired simultanously by two people. I wish we knew which gun fired which shots. I have a feeling one gun fired the body shots, then another fired the head shots. JMO, IMO, etc etc.

I agree. The perp shot them in the chest until they both fell, then got out of the vehicle and walked up to them and shot them both in the face/head. probably with a different weapon.

[Busylady]

In the article it stated that Joe Mosher was the brother to Taylors mom, which also fits to him being her Uncle.

Joe Mosher's sister??? Wow, now I'm really confused.
I do think Christopher is Taylor's father.

[ArizonaGiGi]

We weren't trying to be disrespectful of her blended family. Figuring out the family dynamics can be important to lead to people outside the family who might have reason to harm the girls. Associations of her step-siblings, her biological mother's family or friends, and others could hold a key to these murders. This is the only reason we get into the family's business in such a way.

Esp since the majority (I don't the the exact % ) of homicides were by someone known to the person, and quite often a family member

[ArizonaGiGi]

Joe Mosher's sister??? Wow, now I'm really confused.
I do think Christopher is Taylor's father.

this reminds me of my father-in-law who in his late years would tell stories about people. Something like; Tommy's Aunt's husbands sister-in-laws neighbor knew Bobby's wife's boss's brother's sister and blah blah blah. Huh???
No way to keep up with it. LOL

[Busylady]

Kristopher married a Laurie Carroll in 1997 and all public record index shows he has lived in Ohio and Texas.

[STEADFAST]

Kristopher married a Laurie Carroll in 1997 and all public record index shows he has lived in Ohio and Texas.

That's Christopher Paschal. I think he's an unrelated person.

Taylor's brother Christopher's last name is Placker, not Paschal. "Christopher Placker" is listed in court documents as living in Weleetka. Her Paschal brother and sister are Jessie and Jennifer.

From the Memorial to Taylor:
Brothers: Jessie Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Chris Placker of Sallisaw, OK. Sisters: Jennifer Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Linda Kaye Placker of Weleetka, OK.

[STEADFAST]

Here's part of an on line posting by Linda, Taylor's sister:

My mother rembers her grandmother Nora Lee Moore getting her commoties when she was a child and her mother as well .. how else can we find out role numer if this is not it.... Or is it possible that the role number may be long to my other grandmother or grandfather sarah louida clanton or carl lee paschal .. Sarah was cherokee and carl was part comanchee.. thank you for your time and help my family and I realy do appreciate it alot ...Linda Kaye Placker & Vicky Ann Paschal PLacker


And for those of you doubting whether this is so all fired important, it may just very well be.

[oceanblueeyes]

Esp since the majority (I don't the the exact % ) of homicides were by someone known to the person, and quite often a family member


This is what the DOJ has......


Note: Intimate includes spouses, ex-spouses, boyfriends, girlfriends, and same-sex
relationships. Friend/Acquaintance includes neighbor, employee, employer, and other known.

These data are grouped from the original categories. For the detailed categories see the following tables:
Weighted | Unweighted

In 14% of all murders, the victim and the offender were strangers.

Spouses and family members made up about 15% of all victims.

About one-third (33%) of the victims were acquaintances of the assailant.


The victim/offender relationship was undetermined in over one-third (33%) of homicides.

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

Would you please post the link for that, Stead? :)

[SeriouslySearching]

And for those of you doubting whether this is so all fired important, it may just very well be.With a Native American involved in this some way...you could very well be right. Role numbers are important and some do not want more given out.

[STEADFAST]

Would you please post the link for that, Stead? :)

Oops!
http://www.genealogyforum.com/messages/genbbs.cgi/Irish/10590

[SuziQ]

Here is a direct link to today's presser

http://www.koco.com/video/16602347/index.html

[Busylady]

Thats whats throwing me some, but the birthdates etc all match for Jennings Bryan Paschal and Kristopher Bryan Paschal. They also match to being the children of Vicky and Kenneth Paschal. I wonder if Jessie is a nickname for Jennings? The Chris Placker in Oklahoma records show a birthdate of 1980. The Kristopher Paschal shows a birthdate of 1975. There are no public record indexes that show Chris Placker of Jessie Paschal as residents of Oklahoma. In 1998 Jennings did get a speeding ticket in Oklahoma but list his home address as Texas.

That's Christopher Paschal. I think he's an unrelated person.

Taylor's brother Christopher's last name is Placker, not Paschal. "Christopher Placker" is listed in court documents as living in Weleetka. Her Paschal brother and sister are Jessie and Jennifer.

From the Memorial to Taylor:
Brothers: Jessie Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Chris Placker of Sallisaw, OK. Sisters: Jennifer Paschal of Weleetka, OK. Linda Kaye Placker of Weleetka, OK.

[SeriouslySearching]

It is interesting that she posted that so recently: Tue, 13 May 2008

[STEADFAST]

Thats whats throwing me some, but the birthdates etc all match for Jennings Bryan Paschal and Kristopher Bryan Paschal. They also match to being the children of Vicky and Kenneth Paschal. I wonder if Jessie is a nickname for Jennings? The Chris Placker in Oklahoma records show a birthdate of 1980. The Kristopher Paschal shows a birthdate of 1975. There are no public record indexes that show Chris Placker of Jessie Paschal as residents of Oklahoma. In 1998 Jennings did get a speeding ticket in Oklahoma but list his home address as Texas.

There are many instances of records of Christopher Placker as a resident of Oklahoma. Look at the clickable documents on the OSCN website, and at the memorial.

[SuziQ]

I'm finally taking time to watch today's presser. Several witnesses heard gunshots, several witnesses saw the POI pulled over. Brown did not have the exact footage but he was very close to where the girls were found. Sounds like his truck was somewhat perpendicular to the road sticking out. The witnesses couldn't see what he was doing. I'm wondering if his truck blocked the view of the bodies?

Back to watching the presser.

[STEADFAST]

It is interesting that she posted that so recently: Tue, 13 May 2008

She was listed in the memorial that was deleted. You can find it on the web by googling "Jessie Paschal" and going down to the fifth result. You can read Taylor's brothers and sisters on that result blurb, but when you click on it you get to a page that says it has been "merged" with the other memorial page. Then when you go to the page it merged with, the brothers and sisters are not included.

[Busylady]

Think I just figured out why I am confused. The middle names do not match for Vicky - the Vicky that married Peter Placker middle name is Ann, the Vicky that married and divorced Kenneth Paschal middle name is Arnell. I am so so sorry the records were only showing the middle initial the birth year was matching up. Found Linda Kayes birth records and it shows the full middle name of Vicky. Once again I am sorry for confusing anyone or throwing anyone off track.

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm finally taking time to watch today's presser. Several witnesses heard gunshots, several witnesses saw the POI pulled over. Brown did not have the exact footage but he was very close to where the girls were found. Sounds like his truck was somewhat perpendicular to the road sticking out. The witnesses couldn't see what he was doing. I'm wondering if his truck blocked the view of the bodies?

Back to watching the presser.Could be. It would make sense for this to be the vehicle's tire tracks which showed the U-turn. The key is the exact time the shots were heard and when they saw this person. Wasn't Brown asked if the shots came first then the sighting and she didn't answer? I will have to go watch it again.

[SuziQ]

Per presser, he and truck were in the middle of the road. Brown says just outside on the side of the truck.

[STEADFAST]

Think I just figured out why I am confused. The middle names do not match for Vicky - the Vicky that married Peter Placker middle name is Ann, the Vicky that married and divorced Kenneth Paschal middle name is Arnell. I am so so sorry the records were only showing the middle initial the birth year was matching up. Found Linda Kayes birth records and it shows the full middle name of Vicky. Once again I am sorry for confusing anyone or throwing anyone off track.

LOL! I, for one, was and am so confused that really nothing could have made it worse anyway!

[SeriouslySearching]

Think I just figured out why I am confused. The middle names do not match for Vicky - the Vicky that married Peter Placker middle name is Ann, the Vicky that married and divorced Kenneth Paschal middle name is Arnell. I am so so sorry the records were only showing the middle initial the birth year was matching up. Found Linda Kayes birth records and it shows the full middle name of Vicky. Once again I am sorry for confusing anyone or throwing anyone off track.No worries. This whole family thing has been confusing from the beginning! :crazy: You are doing a great job. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Per presser, he and truck were in the middle of the road. Brown says just outside on the side of the truck.Yes, but later the press said in front of the truck...so maybe they changed it when they wrote it up and it is incorrect. Brown also used the terminology, "We are going to find them. It is just a matter of time." towards the end of the presser. (I just saw it on the local news again.)

[SuziQ]

Yes, but later the press said in front of the truck...so maybe they changed it when they wrote it up and it is incorrect.

Argh, It's so hard to tell what's what. So we know he was seen close to where the girls were found. The way or where he was parked (sideways or in the middle of the road) called attention to him. And he was outside his truck.

[STEADFAST]

Argh, It's so hard to tell what's what. So we know he was seen close to where the girls were found. The way or where he was parked called attention to him. And he was outside his truck.

And . . . he was "doing something" "suspicious," according to the report. I wonder what he was doing.

[SeriouslySearching]

If they could see all of him plainly (as they saw his face)...it had to be his mannerisms or the way he looked at them. Was he hiding the weapon maybe?

If he was a "lookout" of sorts..was he acting nervous or trying to get the attention of others with him?

If the girls were truly ambushed as Suzi thinks...was he dropping off others at that time ahead of girls coming back from the bridge?

[txsvicki]

The article said that the man's white pickup was stopped on county line road. Which road is this in comparison to where the girls were found?

[SeriouslySearching]

The County Line Road is the road on which the girls were found.

[STEADFAST]

The article said that the man's white pickup was stopped on county line road. Which road is this in comparison to where the girls were found?

It's the road they were found on. And it was stopped very near to where the girls were found.

[SeriouslySearching]

"He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

Brown has described the man as American Indian, 6-feet-tall with brown eyes and a long black ponytail. Witnesses said the man was seen standing outside his truck on the county road where the girls were later found dead. Brown said witnesses told investigators that truck was blocking the road around the time of the shooting and the man was standing outside the truck. About six witnesses have given the same account, Brown said.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3256954/

He was seen standing near the truck near the time and place the youngsters were shot to death on Sunday afternoon.

http://www.koco.com/news/16589907/detail.html

[Albert18]

My guess is that this is the guy and he was alone. Hopefully at least one of the guns was registered.

[Snowlover77]

I had a thought as to why the witness couldn't come forward at the time...maybe he was driving his pregnant wife to hospital to have baby and time was of the essence with her contractions coming very fast and hard. And wife has baby and husband is busy soaking in the glory of his newborn and then a couple of days later after all ahs settled down..he remembers things and then goes to police.
It's a thought. Trying to think of a reasonable reason why someone,"couldn't," go to police sooner. This witness may even be familiar with this person standing by the truck. Just thinking out loud.

[oceanblueeyes]

If they could see all of him plainly (as they saw his face)...it had to be his mannerisms or the way he looked at them. Was he hiding the weapon maybe?

If he was a "lookout" of sorts..was he acting nervous or trying to get the attention of others with him?

If the girls were truly ambushed as Suzi thinks...was he dropping off others at that time ahead of girls coming back from the bridge?

I think you may be right.

I think he may have already positioned himself waiting for the girls and when the vehicle drove by he hid the gun from view. I think when he used all 6 bullets in the revolver he retrieved the semi-automatic from inside of his truck.

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

I was beginning to think that too, Albert...except the OSBI kept using the plural pronouns.

Rosser said his bureau and the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Office were looking into burglaries, carjackings, sexual assaults and complaints of shots fired in an effort to find a suspect.

"I just think that until we identify these guys and pick them up, I think anybody in that area should have some caution about their outdoor activities," he told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html (Bolded by me)

"We're going to find them. It's just a matter of time," said OSBI's Jessica Brown.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8488761 (Bolded by me)

[oceanblueeyes]

I was beginning to think that too, Albert...except the OSBI kept using the plural pronouns.

Rosser said his bureau and the Okfuskee County Sheriff's Office were looking into burglaries, carjackings, sexual assaults and complaints of shots fired in an effort to find a suspect.

"I just think that until we identify these guys and pick them up, I think anybody in that area should have some caution about their outdoor activities," he told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html (Bolded by me)

"We're going to find them. It's just a matter of time," said OSBI's Jessica Brown.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8488761 (Bolded by me)

I think they are just using that because they cant rule in that he did this all alone at this time. They just said yesterday I believe that it may be one shooter or two. I just see Rosser saying that as keeping their options open.

imoo

[SuziQ]

I think you may be right.

I think he may have already positioned himself waiting for the girls and when the vehicle drove by he hid the gun from view. I think when he used all 6 bullets in the revolver he retrieved the semi-automatic from inside of his truck.

imo

A revolver would be too slow. Per Brown, the girls had no time to react and they were only five feet apart.

[c2cd208]

Wow you have all been busy. I took a nap!

Thank you for bringing to light why there were two last names. I knew there had to be something to it, it just confused me.

[txsvicki]

It was said that if the reason the man couldn't come forward was told he would be identified.

[SuziQ]

Here is J. Brown's quote:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0806/12/ng.01.html

JESSICA BROWN: We believe they were shot there at the scene, not shot elsewhere and taken there. We don`t believe they had time to run away, to move, to get out of the way of these bullets.

[SeriouslySearching]

When I heard them say it, it didn't sound like they were thinking about it at the time...as they were careful to be deliberate when talking about him. Does that make sense?

[lisay]

Here is some criminal info. on Christopher Ryan Placker, Weleeta, OK.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=19541&db=Cleveland

[c2cd208]

I found a comment here: http://www.topix.net/forum/source/kwtv/TSFFML83F092O77PD/p8 from someone who lives very close to this scene that tells a little about how to County Line Road is traveled. Post # 146

There is only 1 house on the road that the girls were found on, but it is a heavily traveled road

Snip

More to the comment at link

[SeriouslySearching]

He got a plea bargain on those assault with a deadly weapons charges. I wonder who he assaulted.

[KR2tonenow]

I was just doing that when I saw the drawing above and wanted to repost it. It is so sweet. See the little turtle?

Here is one I found and another one that Tamfish found:

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=189526&offender_book_id=82817

ok, I say keep these visible for any possible leads on "witness". This guy is close. Yet not the POS.

Thanks.

[STEADFAST]

He got a plea bargain on those assault with a deadly weapons charges. I wonder who he assaulted.

I don't know. Touia Duncan and her minor child took out a protective order against him twice. There's a picture of a Touia on Linda Kaye Placker's poetry site. She's shown with two of Linda's brothers, who she calls J.C. and Willey (Touis is identified as "Willey's wife".
There's also a picture of Taylor on there when she was younger.

http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/id14.html

[KR2tonenow]

And . . . he was "doing something" "suspicious," according to the report. I wonder what he was doing.


Can they be more vague?? What was he doing!?

[oceanblueeyes]

A revolver would be too slow. Per Brown, the girls had no time to react and they were only five feet apart.

I thought Mark Furhman said according to his inside sources one gun was a revolver and the other one was of a higher power (semi-automatic)?

A revolver can kill someone Suzi....in rapid fire this girls wouldn't have had a chance to react before being hit. Police use to carry 38 revolvers all the time for their own protection. I just don't agree that a revolver couldn't bring these girls to their knees and quickly.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

I must get too much into Mark F. to listen half the time because I didn't hear him say that. LOL (Just a little humor) Was that tonite? I am watching the rerun at midnight.

[Snowlover77]

Mark Furhman is easy on the eyes...that is for sure!

[SuziQ]

I thought Mark Furhman said according to his inside sources one gun was a revolver and the other one was of a higher power (semi-automatic)?

A revolver can kill someone Suzi....in rapid fire this girls wouldn't have had a chance to react before being hit. Police use to carry 38 revolvers all the time for their own protection. I just don't agree that a revolver couldn't bring these girls to their knees and quickly.

imoo

The girls didn't react. And that's per J Brown with OSBI. I'm sure a revolver could be involved. I just don't think it was used first. It was probably used for the headshot which appears to be an insurance shot. Yes, LE carry revolvers, but the are for the most part outgunned. Sure a revolver could bring someone to their knees. But both girls at the same time? They were only five feet apart. One shot and the other would have ran or reacted. They were both dropped where they were.

[philamena]

Two weapons and different calibers. Can one POI be packing two different weapons and shoot both angels with such precision, such accuracy??? Sorry, I don't think so...

Two perps and two guns.

That's what I think too Data.

[KR2tonenow]

Okay, if we go on the theory that there was 2 POS, then why was only one man standing by the truck in the middle of the road seen?

[SeriouslySearching]

Because the other was in the woods doing something illegal perhaps? Or the other two were in the woods getting set up for an ambush of the girls and he was the getaway driver? They had just shot the girls and the other was inside the truck ducked down not to be seen? He was waiting on the others who had not arrived yet and they shot the girls when they did arrive? (I could do this all night)

[KR2tonenow]

In the woods, I think. There is so much brush in there for anyone to hide. I wish that reliable witness could give us more info.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would like to know what side of the road his truck was on.

[txsvicki]

I just don't get how it could be drug related since the guy was seen by at least 6 people. Why weren't the drug runners seen by anyone and why shoot the girls and make sure that all the witnesses remembered the truck and the guy standing there. I'm thinking this was a couple of drunk, high, angry guys who were either going to impulsively abduct the girls or it was a thrill killing. Hopefully it won't be something really senseless like the guy was out there trying to steal gas because he was running really low.

[KR2tonenow]

Did OSI say how far the truck was from where the reliable witness saw the girls, did we get a timeline yet?

[KR2tonenow]

I just don't get how it could be drug related since the guy was seen by at least 6 people. Why weren't the drug runners seen by anyone and why shoot the girls and make sure that all the witnesses remembered the truck and the guy standing there. I'm thinking this was a couple of drunk, high, angry guys who were either going to impulsively abduct the girls or it was a thrill killing. Hopefully it won't be something really senseless like the guy was out there trying to steal gas because he was running really low.

Gosh, I hope not. I think an abduction gone bad, that's where I am leaning towards. Sexual predators and the 2 girls probably told them where to go. Pushed the wrong button on some crazed lunatics.

[KR2tonenow]

Here is some criminal info. on Christopher Ryan Placker, Weleeta, OK.
http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=19541&db=Cleveland

Thanks for this info. It could be possible since OSI admitted that they thought these POS were local.

Could be the connection they may have. Someone Christopher might had known from a bar, or jail, something??

Since the ratio is higher in more likely murders are done by people who are known to eachother, this is a plausible connection.

Can someone pass this onto OSI...make sure they are aware?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't. I am sure they are well aware of any record the family has. They already cleared the family and friends.

[KR2tonenow]

That's right, thanks.

[SeriouslySearching]

I just don't get how it could be drug related since the guy was seen by at least 6 people. Why weren't the drug runners seen by anyone and why shoot the girls and make sure that all the witnesses remembered the truck and the guy standing there. I'm thinking this was a couple of drunk, high, angry guys who were either going to impulsively abduct the girls or it was a thrill killing. Hopefully it won't be something really senseless like the guy was out there trying to steal gas because he was running really low. He wasn't seen by 6 people. This was the total of all witnesses so far. One was the person who saw the girls. One was the person who saw the man. And the rest were the people who heard the "unusual" gunshots.

[philamena]

I would like to know what side of the road his truck was on.

Me too, SS. I'm rereading articles, rereading posts here and I'm looking at the maps---looking for a hint at the direction the truck was going. Either the hint isn't there or I can't see it.
Since it's reported that the girls were walking towards the house, were the shooters in a vehicle that was coming towards them? Or did the vehicle drive past the girls and someone in the vehicle shot from the bed of the truck?

[KR2tonenow]

I thought OSI said that a vehicle made a U - turn, based on tire tracks.

I think they came up from behind turned around so the vehicle was facing the girls.

[SeriouslySearching]

Did OSI say how far the truck was from where the reliable witness saw the girls, did we get a timeline yet?Only that he was seen near the place and there near the time the girls were killed. They are not going to release a timeline of the shots heard and when the person saw this guy. I wish they would, but they want to keep it quiet for some reason. They probably won't release it due to calling him a "potential witness" for the moment.

[KR2tonenow]

Kind of like this scenario:
i i i i
i i
i i
i i i :: girls
i
i
i
i truck

bridge

[SeriouslySearching]

Is that a secret code? LOL

[KR2tonenow]

It's late, haha.

Can we sketch on here??

[gardenmom]

It was said that if the reason the man couldn't come forward was told he would be identified.

Curious. Where did you read this? I wonder if it was a mail carrier, UPS, etc. Or as someone said, maybe an event that took them away for a couple of days, like the birth of a baby. What else?:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Go ahead, but I am heading off to bed! I am exhausted. Today seemed to last a very long time for some reason.

[STEADFAST]

Kind of like this scenario:
i i i i
i i
i i
i i i :: girls
i
i
i
i truck

bridge
I've been picturing it more like
iiii
ii
iii ::girls
i::truck
i
i
i
i
bridge

[KR2tonenow]

Go ahead, but I am heading off to bed! I am exhausted. Today seemed to last a very long time for some reason.

thanks for all your input!

[SeriouslySearching]

Curious. Where did you read this? I wonder if it was a mail carrier, UPS, etc. Or as someone said, maybe an event that took them away for a couple of days, like the birth of a baby. What else?:confused:A truck driver. (Mail carrier isn't out on Sunday) A farmer. A salesman who was working out of town. Could be so many things. (I think the birth of a baby was a huge stretch myself)

[SeriouslySearching]

thanks for all your input!You are very welcome! Ditto!

[KR2tonenow]

I've been picturing it more like
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Do you think the truck came from behind?

[SeriouslySearching]

Good question. At this point, I have no clue to figure out which way it was coming or facing at the time the people saw it.

[Leila]

One of her brothers or sisters must be her biological parent.
At least one of these relatives has a violent criminal record.
I wonder about this relative's associates.

Steadfast.................I've been following this story from the beginning, but just haven't taken the time to post. I've wondered all along about the family relationships, and wondered if one or both of Taylor's parents has a criminal history, which necessitated the grandparents raising Taylor.

Just one more possible theory.............if one or both of Taylor's biological parents are involved in some sort of criminal activity, could they have made a enemy, who swore retaliation and tracked down the Placker family with the intent to kill a member of the Placker family? They may have been lying in wait for a member of the family, and saw the two girls emerge from the Placker property and walk down the road. Not knowing if both girls were members of the family, or just one, they shot them both. This would account for shooting the girls multiple times and in the face. A revenge shooting.

[STEADFAST]

Do you think the truck came from behind?

I don't see how we can guess whether the girls were heading north or south, whether the truck was heading north or south, whether the truck came from in front or behind the girls, or whether it made the U-Turn before or after the girls were killed.

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast.................I've been following this story from the beginning, but just haven't taken the time to post. I've wondered all along about the family relationships, and wondered if one of both of Taylor's parents has a criminal history, which necessitated the grandparents raising Taylor.

Just one more possible theory.............if one or both of Taylor's biological parents are involved in some sort of criminal activity, could they have made a enemy, who swore retaliation and tracked down the Placker family with the intent to kill a member of the Placker family? They may have been lying in wait for a member of the family, and saw the two girls emerge from the Placker property and walk down the road. Not knowing if both girls were members of the family, or just one, they shot them both. This would account for shooting the girls multiple times and in the face. A revenge shooting.

I've certainly considered that possibility, too.

[SeriouslySearching]

LE has already determined the direction the girls were walking was South towards Taylor's house. I think they are sure because of the footprints and the witness who saw them walking minutes before they were shot. The rest we won't know until they release it.

The other question is if the person who saw the man also saw the girls walking? If they did not, it would mean the girls were already gone or hidden...because they would have to be seen in that immediate time frame either walking to or from the bridge.

[txsvicki]

Curious. Where did you read this? I wonder if it was a mail carrier, UPS, etc. Or as someone said, maybe an event that took them away for a couple of days, like the birth of a baby. What else?:confused:

I watched Nancy Grace and Greta yesterday. I'm not positive on which show it was said, but the lady who is giving interviews said it. I believe she is the spokesperson or LE.

[STEADFAST]

LE has already determined the direction the girls were walking which was South towards Taylor's house. Best guess is because of the footprints and the witness who saw them walking minutes before they were shot. The rest we won't know until they release it.

I missed that they released the direction the girls were walking. I only saw that the girls were found on the west side of the road. Was that in the news conference? I haven't watched it.

[Snowlover77]

seems like the witness would be a local if releasing some information would make his identity known. if it was a truck driver, how would we know where he was from, his identity,etc.......it's got to be someone who lives in that town...where people know people.....if cops just said a truck driver, etc...how does that make his identity known? but if it is a local truck driver..that's very different.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have cited many articles and quotes of them stating the girls were "returning" from the bridge which could only mean South towards Taylor's house. Yes, they were found on the West side of the road.

[Snowlover77]

something else...there is a good possibility the witness could be a minor, too. that makes alot of sense as to not putting more information out there.

[STEADFAST]

I have cited many articles and quotes of them stating the girls were "returning" from the bridge which could only mean South towards Taylor's house. Yes, they were found on the West side of the road.

Oh good. Much easier to search here than on Google News.
Thanks.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think it matters much who the witness is really as long as he came forward finally to tell them what he saw. They said he had valid reasons for waiting and he was reliable. It is enough for me.

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh good. Much easier to search here than on Google News.
Thanks.LOL You can't take my word for it?! I assure you...I researched the hell outta that one! Go check it out if you must.

[Snowlover77]

it matters to some who are trying to figure out the who and why he waited days to report. A piece of the puzzle always matters to me.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ross said shell casings were found at the scene, as well as tire tracks and footprints. Ross would not release the caliber of the gun believed to have been used in the shooting. The girls had walked to a bridge along the dirt road, which is a popular gathering place for residents in the rural county, which is about 90 miles east of Oklahoma City.

http://www.newsok.com/clues-sought-i...undefined?pg=1

[SeriouslySearching]

OKEMAH — Authorities investigating the weekend slayings of two girls near Weleetka received a break in the case Thursday when a witness claimed he saw them just a few minutes before they were shot to death.

Ben Rosser, special agent for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the witness was driving along County Line Road (N. 3890 Road), three miles northeast of Weleetka, when he saw the two girls walking together.

~snip~

The girls had made it to the bridge and were walking home when they were killed, execution-style. Both of their bodies were found within a few feet of each other.

Rosser would not divulge how investigators determined the time the two were killed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=12&articleID=20080613_12_A4_hInves907999

[STEADFAST]

LOL You can't take my word for it?! I assure you...I researched the hell outta that one! Go check it out if you must.

That's not it, you maniac! I'm trying to be organized and have a screen shot of each important detail, so that later when things get all confused or there's a trial, I'll have it to reference instead of trying to do the impossible -- remember or wade through all the posts and get expired links, etc.

[STEADFAST]

OKEMAH — Authorities investigating the weekend slayings of two girls near Weleetka received a break in the case Thursday when a witness claimed he saw them just a few minutes before they were shot to death.

Ben Rosser, special agent for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said the witness was driving along County Line Road (N. 3890 Road), three miles northeast of Weleetka, when he saw the two girls walking together.

~snip~

The girls had made it to the bridge and were walking home when they were killed, execution-style. Both of their bodies were found within a few feet of each other.

Rosser would not divulge how investigators determined the time the two were killed.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=12&articleID=20080613_12_A4_hInves907999

Why, thank you, ma'am.:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Trying to save you some time. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Snow, they aren't going to release who the witnesses are as long as there is a killer/are killers running loose possibly in their area. If they mowed down two little girls, they have to realize that they would have no problem going after witnesses. It is best to let the people be safe than to reveal who they are. Until they catch them...they will not give us any clue as to who they are or why they came forward when they did. I imagine those people are rather frightened.

[STEADFAST]

Trying to save you some time. :)

I appreciate it! I'm moving day after tomorrow and closing on a house on Monday. Hope all our stuff moves itself, because I am unable to do anything except try to gather every possible piece of information on this case. Don't want this to go the way of some other cases, where a year later I'm sure of something but I can't post it because the citation no longer exists. Yeah, that would be terrible.:rolleyes:

[SeriouslySearching]

OK..I am going to go to bed and watch everything I ever wanted to know about Tim Russert since it is all that is on now. RIP Tim.

[SeriouslySearching]

I appreciate it! I'm moving day after tomorrow and closing on a house on Monday. Hope all our stuff moves itself, because I am unable to do anything except try to gather every possible piece of information on this case. Don't want this to go the way of some other cases, where a year later I'm sure of something but I can't post it because the citation no longer exists. Yeah, that would be terrible.:rolleyes:Do what I do when I move: Take ten teenagers, boxes, tape, and pizza...mix together with soda and demand they be careful while loading/unloading. LOL

[c2cd208]

So we can track some of where we have read, here are some quotes and links, it is starting to get a little confusing:

At 5:08 p.m. Sunday, Whitaker (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=James+Whitaker&CATEGORY=PERSON) called to let Taylor's grandfather know she was on her way to pick up Skyla.

A conflicting time here: ( http://newsok.com/two-girls-11-and-13-found-shot-on-roadside-near-weleetka/article/3254870/?tm=1213059480 ) Family members said Taylor and her friend went for a walk down the road at about 5:30 p.m. to a bridge and appeared to be heading home when they were killed

Taylor's grandfather found the girls' bodies after he went to look for them when they did not return

Tire tracks were found on the dirt road and were preserved, as well as other evidence found at the scene

The girls were found fully clothed in T-shirts and shorts. Both had multiple gunshot wounds


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html
Peter Placker, Taylor's grandfather, found the girls dead about 300 yards north of their home on Sunday after the girls did not answer a cell phone they had with them, Rosser said. Placker immediately called police

This link talks about the POI
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/crime
"He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

Nancy Grace Interview with CLAUDIA FARROW http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/12/nancy.grace/index.html?eref=rss_latest
GRACE: When did you learn of this -- this murder?
FARROW: Well, Sunday afternoon. My daughter was the second person to arrive on the scene. And the daddy of Taylor wouldn't let her near Skyla. And she called us at our home, and we flew over there to see about her because we knew something was drastically wrong. So it was Sunday afternoon, probably 5:20.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Curious. Where did you read this? I wonder if it was a mail carrier, UPS, etc. Or as someone said, maybe an event that took them away for a couple of days, like the birth of a baby. What else?:confused:

maybe he drives a memorable vehicle and didn't want the POS to go looking for him. We drive an older, kinda unusual vehicle and are very careful not to flip the bird etc when ppl make us mad while driving. Well that and we don't want to get shot at or run off the road. :rolleyes:

[poco]

This link talks about the POI
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html?sPage=fnc/us/crime
"He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."



Okay, I'm confused. There was a guy stopped in the road - THEY couldn't tell what he was doing - who is THEY?????

[ArizonaGiGi]

seems like the witness would be a local if releasing some information would make his identity known. if it was a truck driver, how would we know where he was from, his identity,etc.......it's got to be someone who lives in that town...where people know people.....if cops just said a truck driver, etc...how does that make his identity known? but if it is a local truck driver..that's very different.

maybe he's the person who lives in the one house on that road?

[c2cd208]

Okay, I'm confused. There was a guy stopped in the road - THEY couldn't tell what he was doing - who is THEY?????
THEY---- The witness that come forward.
The link to the entire story is posted with that blurb. Being we can not post entire articles I just wanted to take part of it so we could remember where we heard what.

Sorry to have confused you. It was all starting to get confusing so I wanted to remember where I read what.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Okay, I'm confused. There was a guy stopped in the road - THEY couldn't tell what he was doing - who is THEY?????

the witness had a passenger maybe?

[poco]

the witness had a passenger maybe?

I am so totally confused now - from reading the last few pages it sounds like there was a major traffic jam on this little old dirt road - could someone pull this all together for me and put it all in a nutshell as to who was on this road....????

[c2cd208]

Here is an article that was just published this morning: http://newsok.com/new-sketch-fuels-hope-in-slayings/article/3257467/?tm=1213420113?

Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) described the man authorities want to interview as American Indian, 6 feet tall, with brown eyes and a long black ponytail. She said a couple of witnesses told the OSBI (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) they saw the man near where the girls were found dead. Other witnesses said they heard gunshots but did not report seeing the man or his white truck, Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) said.

Snip... More at link

[c2cd208]

I am so totally confused now - from reading the last few pages it sounds like there was a major traffic jam on this little old dirt road - could someone pull this all together for me and put it all in a nutshell as to who was on this road....????
Apparently this is a well traveled COUNTY road. It was dirt BTW somone asked earlier if it was paved. It is not paved, it is dirt. As a matter of fact it become rutted up from all the travel and the recent rain that the road has now been grated. If you look at the google maps you can see that the road they were on was county line road, a road that marks the split between where one county begins and another on ends. I can easily see many folks traveling along such a road.

The bridge that the girls would walk to was a common stopping point for many people. The bridge area was used as an illegal dumping ground for garbage, and a shooting ground for others.

[poco]

Thanks for the link....

So from what I am gathering here - on that road that evening there were the two little girls, the shooter or shooters, a man who we have a composite drawing of and a witness who is not being revealed.


From that link:
At the time of the shooting Sunday afternoon, the man was seen by witnesses blocking the backwoods dirt road where the two girls were found shot in the chest and head, fully clothed, she said.

Plus other WITNESSES - plural???????

[c2cd208]

Thanks for the link....

So from what I am gathering here - on that road that evening there were the two little girls, the shooter or shooters, a man who we have a composite drawing of and a witness who is not being revealed.


From that link:
At the time of the shooting Sunday afternoon, the man was seen by witnesses blocking the backwoods dirt road where the two girls were found shot in the chest and head, fully clothed, she said.

Plus other WITNESSES - plural???????
You got it! I know it is all confusing to muddle through all the posts.

[poco]

You got it! I know it is all confusing to muddle through all the posts.

Dang, well who the heck are the "other witnesses". Seems pretty stupid of whoever shot them to have done so with that many people around. I was thinking more along the lines of a less traveled country dirt road. Seems like this road was loaded with people.............

If this is the case, someone had to have seen something of significance.

[c2cd208]

Dang, well who the heck are the "other witnesses". Seems pretty stupid of whoever shot them to have done so with that many people around. I was thinking more along the lines of a less traveled country dirt road. Seems like this road was loaded with people.............

If this is the case, someone had to have seen something of significance.
From what I understand a total of six people have come forward with information. Only the one, or set that helped come up with the composit are the only one(s) who seen the white truck and man. The other people from what I understand... Some said they had seen the girls walking prior to the shooting and another witness(s) mentioned a truck with some young boys who have now been identified, questioned and cleared.

Edited to add one more thing: Think about the time of day that this happened, it was a Sunday around 5+PM, at that time and being the day (Sunday) there might have been more traffic than normal due to that is the time that a lot of people travel to night services at church. Just a thought. Night services normally take place around 6PM and most people like to get to church a little early to visit and get settled in before the service.

[poco]

From what I understand a total of six people have come forward with information. Only the one, or set that helped come up with the composit are the only one(s) who seen the white truck and man. The other people from what I understand... Some said they had seen the girls walking prior to the shooting and another witness(s) mentioned a truck with some young boys who have now been identified, questioned and cleared.

Wow, I didn't realize that many people witnessed something. If so, someone had to have seen the vehicle the shooters were in, possibly not knowing at the time they saw the vehicle that they were shooters.....

Which, can be taken two ways - you'd think that road would be mainly traveled by locals - so in all probability if you lived in that area you would know the other vehicles you saw if it was local one - OR, if you saw a vehicle you didn't recognize as to who owned it, you would kind of at least remember that, too.

If that makes sense........ lol

[c2cd208]

Ok I have been skimming back through the topix board again.
Post #43 dated June 11th
Link: http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p2
Can you describe this man "Paul"? Is he a white male, mid-30ish, light complexion, dark "scruffy" hair, unshaven, very slim build, less than 5'10" tall, blue eyes? Please tell me... This is very important! Thank you.

This post sounds like it come from one of the actual witness(s) Could this be from the person who took a little while to come forward?

[poco]

Ok I have been skimming back through the topix board again.
Post #43 dated June 11th
Link: http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p2


This post sounds like it come from one of the actual witness(s) Could this be from the person who took a little while to come forward?

They are talking about some guy named Roy in the topix board, too.... Wow, too much information.....

[c2cd208]

Roy has been a stick stirrer thats about all there really is to that IMO. At the start of it all he gets into a religion debate then switch hits to some other things. In one part he talks about the girls being raised in good Christian Homes, then goes on later to talk about sexual abuse. I think he is full of smoke myself.

[poco]

They are talking about some guy named Roy in the topix board, too.... Wow, too much information.....

I'm totally confused, but thanks for the information you did give me. That helps.

[c2cd208]

You were on the right track, take Roy out of the equasion and you'll be back on track. Those kind of boards are filled with ALL kinds of folks and you have to more or less filter through the trash. But sometimes there are clues in the gossip.

[poco]

You were on the right track, take Roy out of the equasion and you'll be back on track. Those kind of boards are filled with ALL kinds of folks and you have to more or less filter through the trash. But sometimes there are clues in the gossip.

Wish I had more time to spend on this - I could sit here all day and do this.....

[strach304]

Possible witness or witnesses that saw the truck weren't supposed to be together if ya know what I mean. That's a very good composite sketch if accurate as well as details about the truck. I'd think the passenger got the best look at the face whereas the deatails of the truck would be more noticed by a male. How many women here would say a ford or chevy truck single cab truck?

[EnvoyDriver61]

As many have stated, it's difficult to wrap yourselve around this case, primarily, IMO, due to time, distance, witness/evidence.

First off is the timing.

Reports state the girls left around 5:00 p.m. Sunday to walk. Skyla's mother calls about 5:08. Grandmother takes this call and tells Grandfather to call the girls' cellphone and tell them to return. No answer and he takes off looking for them. LE believes deaths occurred around 5:20-5:25 (reports indicate that they don't think sexual assault is involved because girls are found clothed and indicate that there wasn't enough time for sexual assault to occur). Grandfather's 911 call is reported at either 5:40 p.m. or 5:41 p.m. Skyla's mother arrives at Taylor's house from either south (common assumption) or north and is flagged by grandfather so that she cannot see the bodies (why I think she came from the north).

So timing: all this occurs between 4:55 to 5:41.

4:55 - 5:00 Girls leave house. (assumed)
5:08 - 5:10 Skyla's mother calls (reported in interview)
5:13 - 5:25 Sometime in this time frame, Grandfather attempts to call girls to tell them to return (assumed)
5:10 - 5:25 Witnesses reported seeing girls walking and the suspicious person (don't know if they are the same witness or two different ones) assumed since girls are seen alive)
5:20 - 5:25 Assumed time of death (reports say sexual assault unlikely because whole event takes place in 20-25 minutes)
5:25 - 5:30 Grandfather leaves on foot to look for girls (assumption because he is going north toward the girls and doesn't see white pickup in the road (not reported at least,) so murder has already occurred)
5:38 - 5:39 Grandfather finds girls and
5:40 Grandfather calls 911

Next is the distance:

Reports are that they made it to the bridge and were returning. Bridge on Yahoo maps looks about 3/4 mile away and some reports say it is 3/4 mile away. Other reports are that it is 6/10 mile away. One early report says that the girls were found 1/4 mile (200-300 yds) from Taylors house on west side of County Line Rd. and the bridge was another 1/4 mile from that. So, you have 3/4 mile, 3/5 mile, 1/2 mile as to how far the bridge was from Taylor's house.

Round trip if they did make it to the bridge from Taylor's house to where they were found is 1.5 miles (3/4 there and 1/2 back), .95 miles (6/10 there and .35 back), or 3/4 mile (1/2 there and 1/4 back).

If they did make it to the bridge and back and LE seems to think they did, then the shorter distances are probably more accurate.

Finally, witness reports and evidence:

6 people say they either saw the truck and person, saw the girls walking (moments from being shot supposedly, so we assume they were walking back south), or heard the unusual gunshots. There is supposedly a U-turn track near where the girls were shot. They were shot at the spot where the bodies were found. They were shot from the front. But, where they facing east when shot, kind of in a drive-by fashion, or where they shot facing north (having been confronted from someone coming up from behind, or where they shot from the south, the U-turn being in front of the girls).

A boot print is reported to have been found. Truck is white with a chrome strip on the side either a Chevy or Ford with OK plates. (I think it is a Chevy/GMC since they use that chrome on the side to tell what kind of truck it is: 1500, 2500, or Silverado, etc.)
The POI was described as acting suspicious, outside of the truck, with the truck parked at almost a perpendicular angle to the road.

Questions I have:
From a time standpoint, how did the girls cover that distance to the bridge and back? They are only 1/4 mile from the house when they are shot. If Skyla's mother calls at 5:08, how long did grandfather try to reach the girls on the cell before walking out after them?
1/4 shouldn't take but 5 minutes to walk, even slowly. And he doesn't see anything suspicious in the distance while walking. If Skyla's mother calls and says she is coming for the girls and they call the girls to come back, and Skyla's mother takes about 30 minutes to get to the house (5:08 to past 5:41, time of 911 call) what does that say how far they bridge is and how fast they think the girls are travelling? Reports indicate grandfather was concerned when girls didn't answer cellphone and took out after them shortly thereafter. But, if Skyla's mother calls at 5:08, why does he wait at least 15-20 minutes to go find the girls?
How could the girls have made that distance if the bridge was indeed 3/4 mile away? If they did make the bridge and were returning, it had closer.

If the girls saw something suspicious, why didn't they call home? Seems the phone wasn't answered
closer to the beginning of the walk.
Were the girls shot from a car for all the shots, or did someone get out and finish them off
upclose?

[SuziQ]

SS, thank you for the below link. I found the below snips interesting. And LE knows what time the girls were murdered. They don't say what time, but they mentioned the unanswered cell phone call. A good indication that they didn't answer because they were dead. Time frame is even tighter than before. Girls leave the house around five and grandpa finds them at 5:30. What time exactly did grandma try to call the girls?

(snips)
The OSBI agent, however, declined to say what else the eyewitness saw — whether he saw other people along the road or perhaps a vehicle passing him.

"That's something for the killers to think about," he said.

Another new development in the case is that authorities now know what time the two were murdered.

Skyla Jade Whittaker, 11, and Taylor Dawn Paschal-Placker, 13, had left Taylor's home on County Line Road around 5 p.m. Sunday for a stroll northward to the Bad Creek bridge, about a half-mile away.

Their bullet-riddled bodies were found at 5:30 p.m. by Taylor's grandfather, Peter Placker, who had gone looking for them when she didn't answer her cell phone.
Rosser would not divulge how investigators determined the time the two were killed.


http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectID=12&articleID=20080613_12_A4_hInves907999

[poco]

Okay, this town has a population of 1000. The people that normally travel that road are probably from that area. I would think in a city with a population of 1000 that almost everyone would know everyone else and what they drive...............

If you see a familiar car/person, you probably wave or honk.

If you see an unfamiliar car/person, you would notice that too.

Why isn't it possible that the killers weren't even in a car - that they were on foot and came out of the woods?

[SuziQ]

If the girls saw something suspicious, why didn't they call home? Seems the phone wasn't answered
closer to the beginning of the walk.
Were the girls shot from a car for all the shots, or did someone get out and finish them off
upclose?

You have a pretty good synopsis. Thanks for doing that. The timeline is still up in the air though and even tighter than before.

With such a tight timeline I wonder if the girls ever went as far as the bridge and turned around and headed home? Looking at the OSBI footage where they are measuring. It appears they were looking at something that happened from a distance. I really feel the girls were picked off at a distance with a semi-automatic, then finished off up close with a revolver. One person could accomplish this, but I'm hoping for two as one of them might talk.

[SuziQ]

Okay, this town has a population of 1000. The people that normally travel that road are probably from that area. I would think in a city with a population of 1000 that almost everyone would know everyone else and what they drive...............

If you see a familiar car/person, you probably wave or honk.

If you see an unfamiliar car/person, you would notice that too.

Why isn't it possible that the killers weren't even in a car - that they were on foot and came out of the woods?

It's possible. That would make the perp someone who lives within walking distance. Maybe he/she/they live in the woods. And maybe that's the reason for the air s