Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #4

[EnvoyDriver61]

The news show was interesting.

Girls leave about 4:30 and are discovered about 5:25. Skyla's mom calls about 5:08 she says (so that could be 5:08-5:13 if clocks are off). That means there were only about 7-10 minutes before grandpa takes out after them, which allows for a cell phone call and concern to be raised when they don't answer. So, that part is interesting.

Google Earth reports the bridge at 6/10 of a mile away. Those girls had PLENTY of time to see something then, meet up with something, and they weren't walking very fast, or they stopped a lot, or were stopped a lot.

It was interesting to see Taylor's house wasn't as far from the road as I thought. The earlier video didn't show the house, just the mailbox.

[STEADFAST]

Has anyone made a definite connection between this Joe Jr to Taylor. I know there was some talk about his wife having the same address as Taylor's grandparents, Peter and Vicki. However, no link was ever provided to prove that to be true.
A lot of people have the same last name and they aren't related, or they are very distant relatives. Also, if the cops knew enough to protect Joe Jr from this killer, then I assume they know who the killer is, or at least have an idea, right?

No, no definite connection has been made. We thought we had one, but it hasn't panned out yet.

[CarpeDiem]

Google Earth reports the bridge at 6/10 of a mile away. Those girls had PLENTY of time to see something then, meet up with something, and they weren't walking very fast, or they stopped a lot, or were stopped a lot.



I think the investigators make a mistake if they are just looking at that day. If Taylor walked this route everyday, and with Skylar with her, they probably did it on Saturday too. So look at who and what was going on for the few days before the murders. Whatever they may have seen or known about, may not have necessarily occurred on Sunday, but the perp came back that day.

[rccook555]

On the Record-Crime Scene Tour

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1503265&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749

Ok i am a bit confused now... On the video it sounds like he said the girls where found by Taylors father "Richard" ( he makes this reference twice at 2 min 26 sec on video and again at 2 min 18 seconds) ... I thought they were found by her grandfather Peter? Is Peters name also Richard? Maybe i am just hearing him incorrectly...

[Annie]

If Taylor's goal was to work with CSI, the may have considered herself a young detective and may have wandered onto something earlier and took Skyla for a look at it. They may not have stayed on the road the whole time. There are so many possibilities here. I wonder if they were ever in the man's truck if he is the one who did this. Could they have been shot once somewhere else, thrown in the back of the truck, and dumped and finished off at the spot where they were found?

[SuziQ]

Ok i am a bit confused now... On the video it sounds like he said the girls where found by Taylors father "Richard" ( he makes this reference twice at 2 min 26 sec on video and again at 2 min 18 seconds) ... I thought they were found by her grandfather Peter? Is Peters name also Richard? Maybe i am just hearing him incorrectly...

Good catch. Hmmmm.

[EnvoyDriver61]

Isn't his name Peter R. Placker? I wonder if locally he goes by Richard, his middle name perhaps?

[JBean]

Ok i am a bit confused now... On the video it sounds like he said the girls where found by Taylors father "Richard" ( he makes this reference twice at 2 min 26 sec on video and again at 2 min 18 seconds) ... I thought they were found by her grandfather Peter? Is Peters name also Richard? Maybe i am just hearing him incorrectly...I thought he said Mr. Placker.

[rccook555]

I thought he said Mr. Placker.

Yes he does at the beginning of the video, but at 2m 26 sec and at 2 min 18 sec it sounds like he is saying Richard Placker... maybe i need to go clean my ears out :eek:

[oceanblueeyes]

I had asked on another page if an automatic is shot rapidly with a sweeping motion. Could it be that quick if the two girls were standing fairly close together? I don't know anything about guns. Maybe I'm thinking more along the lines of a machine gun.

When I think of rapid fire in a sweeping motion I think more of an automatic rifle that has many bullets in it and them coming out in rapid succession. Even that though the perp has to be constantly pointing at his targeted victim.

Here if we are to believe Mark Furhman and his inside sources then handguns were used. One a revolver which holds 6 bullets and a semi-automatic that probably holds about 10-14 bullets in its magazine.

We do not know where he was positioned when he first started firing. With the revolver closer the more accuracy and more deadly and further away it is not. The size of the revolver also would be a factor. Whether it was a 22 or perhaps a 38, snub nose or long nose etc. I think he first unloaded the revolver on them and they were still alive and that is when he pulled out the semi-automatic to make sure they were dead.

I think they saw him and turned to look at him in the truck and he fired from the truck with the revolver. Once they were on the ground and hurt he then got out of his truck and used the semi-automatic pistol. Saw they were dead, got back in the truck and left the scene quickly. All of this wouldn't take much time at all. As quick as someone can pull a trigger which is lightning fast.

imoo

[FlowerChild]

If Taylor's goal was to work with CSI, the may have considered herself a young detective and may have wandered onto something earlier and took Skyla for a look at it. They may not have stayed on the road the whole time. There are so many possibilities here. I wonder if they were ever in the man's truck if he is the one who did this. Could they have been shot once somewhere else, thrown in the back of the truck, and dumped and finished off at the spot where they were found?
OSBI says they were shot where they were found - and witnesses said they saw them returning home down the road before they were shot. We are only talking 3/4 of a mile from Bridge to home. Plus the shots were heard. The girls were just a few feet from the roadside when they were shot - but not on it - from the video it looks like they were less than 10 feet from the dirt roadway.

The brush is kinda heavy - and there are fences and ditches alongside the road so it would be hard to get a vehicle off the road very far in that area - it's doubtful the POI (with the truck) could have gotten off the road near the bridge or elsewhere off the road to shoot the girls OR get two "shot girls" into the truck bed (or cab) without anyone seeing. This is a fairly busy road actually - a major route from one even smaller town to the services in Weleetka.

OSBI seems to be certain (shell casings, footprint and tire evidence etc) that the killings occured where the girls were found. They have not mentioned anything about a second crime scene and they seem pretty sure of the location, the evidence, the time the girls were shot and the POI. So far they are sticking too the ONE POI, the girls shot where they were found right before they were found and that they walked to the bridge and were coming back.

My Opinion

[EnvoyDriver61]

From the video with Rosser, we also know the girls were found with their heads facing the road, i.e., they fell toward the road after being shot, Taylor farther south on the road than Skyla, who was a couple feet behind her, but her head was toward the road as well (I am pretty sure that is what he said).

One could think if they were shot from the front and fell forward, they would be face down. Did the person then get out, and turn them around to shoot them from the chin? That sounds like a lot of work in a short amount of time. But, it would explain DNA being on the girls possibly as well as reported boot prints.

Since LE is stating they believe there are two shooters, we'd almost have to include a person in the bushes laying on the ground for that type of shot to the chin, as reported by Skyla's mother in our scenarios. Or, someone from across the road. Does anyone know how tall Skyla was?

My speculation only.

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes he does at the beginning of the video, but at 2m 26 sec and at 2 min 18 sec it sounds like he is saying Richard Placker... maybe i need to go clean my ears out :eek:

Yes, he says, "Richard". He also says "yes" when the reporter said "grandfather" but then when he is talking about Mr. Placker he says Taylor's father."

I think I read yesterday that Richard is Peter's middle name.

He must go by Richard instead of Peter.

imoo

[MissHolmes]

The family tree has been partially updated. I will be working on it throughout the day.

http://placker.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=placker&view=9&rand=767200765
Stars added to the front of the name have been added to note they may not be in the
proper place in the tree. But it did seem necessary to add them at this time.

Thanks to those who have sent me additional information :blowkiss:
Please continue to send me any info you may have to add.

[CarpeDiem]

I think I read yesterday that Richard is Peter's middle name.

He must go by Richard instead of Peter.

imoo

That's the situation with my husband, his father and he had the same first name but different middle names, he has always been referred to by his middle name so as not to confuse the two of them. His middle name is still the only one he uses, except on official documents. :waitasec: I always wondered why his parents didn't just make the first names different, DUH.

[SuziQ]

From the video with Rosser, we also know the girls were found with their heads facing the road, i.e., they fell toward the road after being shot, Taylor farther south on the road than Skyla, who was a couple feet behind her, but her head was toward the road as well (I am pretty sure that is what he said).

Would that indicate that they were shot from the woods on thier side of the road and fell toward the road? When I think of people being shot I think of them falling head first. Does that make sense?

ETA: If they were shot from the road, I would expect them to be feet first.

[oceanblueeyes]

OSBI says they were shot where they were found - and witnesses said they saw them returning home down the road before they were shot. We are only talking 3/4 of a mile from Bridge to home. Plus the shots were heard. The girls were just a few feet from the roadside when they were shot - but not on it - from the video it looks like they were less than 10 feet from the dirt roadway.

The brush is kinda heavy - and there are fences and ditches alongside the road so it would be hard to get a vehicle off the road very far in that area - it's doubtful the POI (with the truck) could have gotten off the road near the bridge or elsewhere off the road to shoot the girls OR get two "shot girls" into the truck bed (or cab) without anyone seeing. This is a fairly busy road actually - a major route from one even smaller town to the services in Weleetka.

OSBI seems to be certain (shell casings, footprint and tire evidence etc) that the killings occurred where the girls were found. They have not mentioned anything about a second crime scene and they seem pretty sure of the location, the evidence, the time the girls were shot and the POI. So far they are sticking too the ONE POI, the girls shot where they were found right before they were found and that they walked to the bridge and were coming back.

My Opinion

I don't think he had any intentions of taking their bodies anywhere. He killed them right there when no one was around at that particular moment in time and left the scene.

I think on that stretch of road it would be easy to look both ways and see anybody if they were coming up or down the road.

imoo

[MissHolmes]

Yes, he says, "Richard". He also says "yes" when the reporter said "grandfather" but then when he is talking about Mr. Placker he says Taylor's father."

I think I read yesterday that Richard is Peter's middle name.

He must go by Richard instead of Peter.

imoo

According to Texas birth records for Linda Kaye Placker, Peter's middle name is Steven. :waitasec:

[EnvoyDriver61]

We are only talking 3/4 of a mile from Bridge to home

I wish someone could tell us exactly the distance from Taylor's house to the bridge.

Google Earth shows it as 6/10 of a mile. Reports have stated 1/2 to 3/4 mile.

Obviously, the shorter the distance, the more time Taylor and Skyla had to "mosey," go off the road, stop and talk with others, etc.

At first, when the time was 5:00 to 5:20-5:25, those girls had to walking fairly fast and didn't really have time to stop and meet/talk with anyone in order to be killed by 5:20. But, with nearly 40 minutes, even to walk 3/4 mile and back, is a lot of time.

[JBean]

That is funny. I hear him say mister Placker very clearly. 2 or 3 times in a row. maybe there is a part I am missing.I don;t hear him say Richard at all.

[oceanblueeyes]

That's the situation with my husband, his father and he had the same first name but different middle names, he has always been referred to by his middle name so as not to confuse the two of them. His middle name is still the only one he uses, except on official documents. :waitasec: I always wondered why his parents didn't just make the first names different, DUH.

I think overtime too some people when they are younger may not care for their first names and will take on the middle name because they like it better.

I know quite a few people, men and women that go by their middle names.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

According to Texas birth records for Linda Kaye Placker, Peter's middle name is Steven. :waitasec:

Oh...thanks......maybe Rosser made a boo boo by calling him 'Richard".

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Would that indicate that they were shot from the woods on their side of the road and fell toward the road? When I think of people being shot I think of them falling head first. Does that make sense?

ETA: If they were shot from the road, I would expect them to be feet first.

I wonder when they were first initial shot did they go forward because the shots weren't lethal and they were trying to maybe stand up but when and if he came over there they were already in that position when he fired the second weapon mostly likely the head shots imo.

I am beginning to believe that the first shots may have been to the chest areas and the head shots were done after they were already down.

It is hard to predict which way a body will fall when hit. They may have been standing on a sloped area that could have pivoted them more to fall toward the road.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

I wish someone could tell us exactly the distance from Taylor's house to the bridge.

Google Earth shows it as 6/10 of a mile. Reports have stated 1/2 to 3/4 mile.

Obviously, the shorter the distance, the more time Taylor and Skyla had to "mosey," go off the road, stop and talk with others, etc.

At first, when the time was 5:00 to 5:20-5:25, those girls had to walking fairly fast and didn't really have time to stop and meet/talk with anyone in order to be killed by 5:20. But, with nearly 40 minutes, even to walk 3/4 mile and back, is a lot of time.

Does anyone know how far away Skyla lived from Taylor's home?

thanks

[FlowerChild]

From what we have been told the girls were shot from the front - so they would have been facing the killer - who was on the road. That tells me that if the killer came from the bridge he would have had to either turn around (u-turn) in the roadway or stop and get out of the vehicle to shoot the girls so that they fell so close to the road. It does not appear he chased them down - they were facing him and he just shot them - perhaps 1st in the chest and face with the revolver (6 shots) and then in the head (from under the chin) with the automatic (at least 2 shots). While he could have done the 1st shots from the vehicle, the head shots mean he got out and stood over each body.

It's those "kill shots" that make this unique. Most people would stay in the vehicle and get the hell outta there once the girls were down on the ground after the 1st shots. It takes someone acting deliberately (and pretty calmly) to stop, get out a 2nd gun, get out of the vehicle and walk to stand OVER the bodies to shoot them AGAIN. The fact that there were TWO guns and TWO sets of shots and the second set was at point blank range - perhaps with the gun TOUCHING the girls says (to me) it was a pretty calm, collected, deliberate, experienced killer.

My Opinion

[SailorMoon]

I have wondered if they were meeting someone or had been meeting someone down there. One thing I'm sure of...we don't know but about 25% of what Rosser and the cops know.

And when I think/visualize people being shot...I always picture them falling backward.

[FlowerChild]

Does anyone know how far away Skyla lived from Taylor's home?

thanks
We do not know exactly where Skyla's house was but several miles. Not within walking distance. They went to school together but because of the sparse population the district is very large in area and the kids did not live close. I would assume that some kids live as much as 20 miles from the school. Taylor's house was 8 miles from the school.

It probably was at least a 15 minute drive from Skyla's house to Taylors.

My Opinion

[oceanblueeyes]

From what we have been told the girls were shot from the front - so they would have been facing the killer - who was on the road. That tells me that if the killer came from the bridge he would have had to either turn around (u-turn) in the roadway or stop and get out of the vehicle to shoot the girls so that they fell so close to the road. It does not appear he chased them down - they were facing him and he just shot them - perhaps 1st in the chest and face with the revolver (6 shots) and then in the head (from under the chin) with the automatic (at least 2 shots). While he could have done the 1st shots from the vehicle, the head shots mean he got out and stood over each body.

It's those "kill shots" that make this unique. Most people would stay in the vehicle and get the hell outta there once the girls were down on the ground after the 1st shots. It takes someone acting deliberately (and pretty calmly) to stop, get out a 2nd gun, get out of the vehicle and walk to stand OVER the bodies to shoot them AGAIN. The fact that there were TWO guns and TWO sets of shots and the second set was at point blank range - perhaps with the gun TOUCHING the girls says (to me) it was a pretty calm, collected, deliberate, experienced killer.

My Opinion

I am still uncertain that the chin shot is correct but maybe just an assumption on Skyla's grandmother's part. It is just as likely imo that he fired a head shot into the top of her head as she lay there and the bullet exited out the chin area.

On that I am going to wait for the ME who has only said they died from multiple gunshot wounds to the chest and head. The GM also said Skyla was shot in the arm yet Rosser does not say that.

I do agree with you totally that this man is not new to crimes such as this one. I feel he was cool as a cucumber and calmly got back in his truck and calmly left.

imoo

[SailorMoon]

And that - is the scary part. I totally agree with you. Cold blooded and heartless.



**respectfully snipped**

I do agree with you totally that this man is not new to crimes such as this one. I feel he was cool as a cucumber and calmly got back in his truck and calmly left.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

We do not know exactly where Skyla's house was but several miles. Not within walking distance. They went to school together but because of the sparse population the district is very large in area and the kids did not live close. I would assume that some kids live as much as 20 miles from the school. Taylor's house was 8 miles from the school.

It probably was at least a 15 minute drive from Skyla's house to Taylors.

My Opinion

Thank you. The reason I ask is because I had seen some on another board say that Skyla and Taylor was walking to Skyla's home that day when it happened. Maybe it was put out in the media early on that way as they do get things confused when breaking stories are first happening. I knew that was false information but did not know how far apart they lived from each other.

Thanks again.

[oceanblueeyes]

And that - is the scary part. I totally agree with you. Cold blooded and heartless.

Yes, it is quite frightening.

I don't think he flinched a muscle.

imoo

[Morag]

(snip)...They aren't going to arrest him for a five year old $50 hot check, when his family member was just executed in the road. Nope.
I see this as a true attempt by the LE to get Jr in their custody, protect him and keep him from the killer(s). Oh and to gain info from him too.

Could the hot check guy (Joe?) have been the witness to the POI? Something he may have said to Grandpa could have led to the "They shot the girls" remark which- if true- seems odd. He could have recognized- by sight- the POI and not know his name, but he could have recognized him as an enemy, a threat.


From STEADFAST (post 390):
Connecting gun trafficking to Peter Parker (who, by the way has NO CRIMINAL cases filed against him) is beyond a stretch. Like they say, "If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bus."

So now you are saying that Spiderman is involved? This family tree is confusing. :confused:

[EnvoyDriver61]

From what we have been told the girls were shot from the front - so they would have been facing the killer - who was on the road.


The italicized words are correct and reported.

The bold words may or may not be correct and has to be assumed.

[Busylady]

Same here I have listened to it over and over and only hear Mr. Placker. Had my husband listen also and asked him what name he hears and he hears Mr. Placker as well.

That is funny. I hear him say mister Placker very clearly. 2 or 3 times in a row. maybe there is a part I am missing.I don;t hear him say Richard at all.

[SuziQ]

I have wondered if they were meeting someone or had been meeting someone down there. One thing I'm sure of...we don't know but about 25% of what Rosser and the cops know.

And when I think/visualize people being shot...I always picture them falling backward.

Same here. So if they were shot from in front of them from the road, I would expect them to be feet first.

[oceanblueeyes]

I have wondered if they were meeting someone or had been meeting someone down there. One thing I'm sure of...we don't know but about 25% of what Rosser and the cops know.

And when I think/visualize people being shot...I always picture them falling backward.

They most likely would if they were completely on level ground with the shooter however if they were standing up on a sloped area that rose up some where their body weight would be pitched more toward the road, I think by gravity pull they would topple on their face due to not standing on level ground at the time.

imoo

[lilllbird]

The family tree has been partially updated. I will be working on it throughout the day.

http://placker.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=placker&view=9&rand=767200765
Stars added to the front of the name have been added to note they may not be in the
proper place in the tree. But it did seem necessary to add them at this time.

Thanks to those who have sent me additional information :blowkiss:
Please continue to send me any info you may have to add.

Great job on the family tree! Have we established which nicknames belong to which siblings? For instance, "Willie" may actually be referring to Christopher and his "Wylie" tattoo (and court records link Chris and Touia) and JC may be short for Jessie Carl. Also, according to Taylor's obit on the funeral home website, http://www.shurdenfuneralhome.com/obituary05.html ,half her siblings are Plackers and the other half are Paschals. Can this be reflected in the family tree?

[SuziQ]

They most likely would if they were completely on level ground with the shooter however if they were standing up on a sloped area that rose up some where their bodies would be pitched more toward the road I think by gravity they would topple on their face due to not standing on level ground at the time.

imoo

True, it would be good to know if they were face down or face up.

I noticed in the Greta video that the area is sort of a niche inside the trees and brush. IIRC, Rosser pointed out that Peter was found sitting by where the memorial teddy bear was. That was tucked back in there. Is that an indication that the girls were that far back in there too?

[OrdinaryLife]

I am still very curious about the last 24-36 hours before these angels were murdered. I am curious about what calls were made/received on the mobile phone found at the scene. I am curious who the angels may have met outside the home or on a computer...did they have a computer at the house?

It's possible there was a connection made to/with these angels before. It could have even been someone that Taylor had met during her random walks in the past....

Just tossing "stuff" out there. :)

[SuziQ]

http://newsok.com/town-tries-to-find-normalcy/article/3258373/

(snip)
Weak clues concern kin
Armed with some new information but "nothing solid” from weekend roadblocks, investigators spent much of Monday re-interviewing friends and family members, said Jessica Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON), Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) spokeswoman.
"Everybody surrounding the two children are part of the questioning,” she said

[SuziQ]

I am still very curious about the last 24-36 hours before these angels were murdered. I am curious about what calls were made/received on the mobile phone found at the scene. I am curious who the angels may have met outside the home or on a computer...did they have a computer at the house?

It's possible there was a connection made to/with these angels before. It could have even been someone that Taylor had met during her random walks in the past....

Just tossing "stuff" out there. :)

Yes, it was taken for forensic analysis.

[oceanblueeyes]

Could the hot check guy (Joe?) have been the witness to the POI? Something he may have said to Grandpa could have led to the "They shot the girls" remark which- if true- seems odd. He could have recognized- by sight- the POI and not know his name, but he could have recognized him as an enemy, a threat.


From STEADFAST (post 390):


So now you are saying that Spiderman is involved? This family tree is confusing. :confused:

I am not sure that has anything to do with this case. This guy's bond was only $2000 and all he had to do was pay $200 to a bondsman and walk out that door almost as fast as he came in.

imoo

[CarpeDiem]

I am still very curious about the last 24-36 hours before these angels were murdered. I am curious about what calls were made/received on the mobile phone found at the scene. I am curious who the angels may have met outside the home or on a computer...did they have a computer at the house?

It's possible there was a connection made to/with these angels before. It could have even been someone that Taylor had met during her random walks in the past....

Just tossing "stuff" out there. :)

That's exactly where I think the key is to this. It's in the day's before the murders and everyone the girls were in contact with since school ended. What do the girls do all day, their normal routine, any activities away from home? How long are they usually gone on walks?

[oceanblueeyes]

http://newsok.com/town-tries-to-find-normalcy/article/3258373/

(snip)
Weak clues concern kin
Armed with some new information but "nothing solid” from weekend roadblocks, investigators spent much of Monday re-interviewing friends and family members, said Jessica Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON), Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) spokeswoman.
"Everybody surrounding the two children are part of the questioning,” she said

It is good to see them doing it by the book.

Once the funerals have been held it is very common practice that they go back to talk with family and friends hoping that they now have remembered something they didn't because of all the stress and turmoil they were having to deal with at the time the deaths occurred.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

That is funny. I hear him say mister Placker very clearly. 2 or 3 times in a row. maybe there is a part I am missing.I don;t hear him say Richard at all.I think so,too.

[Morag]

I am not sure that has anything to do with this case. This guy's bond was only $2000 and all he had to do was pay $200 to a bondsman and walk out that door almost as fast as he came in.

imoo

Of course he could have. But would this not be a convenient way to take himinto protective custody without alerting the POI and his associates? If the name(s) of the witness(es) became known, that could be dangerous for those who actually saw Mr. POI. Remember, we don't yet know who described the POI so meticulously.

[tiredblondy]

And that - is the scary part. I totally agree with you. Cold blooded and heartless.

I agree and Mark Furman said not only was he cold blooded but was probably used to this and had done it before.

[OrdinaryLife]

http://newsok.com/town-tries-to-find-normalcy/article/3258373/

(snip)
Weak clues concern kin
Armed with some new information but "nothing solid” from weekend roadblocks, investigators spent much of Monday re-interviewing friends and family members, said Jessica Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON), Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) spokeswoman.
"Everybody surrounding the two children are part of the questioning,” she said

Sounds like LE is reviewing, which is a good thing. It was such a traumatic event for friends and family, but now that a short period has passed, perhaps someone will remember something that hadn't thought of before.

[lisay]

Just saw this....
http://newsok.com/domestic-dispute-ends-with-arrest-in-weleetka/article/3258502/?tm=1213720268

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe the shot in the legs idea came from Skyla's grandmother's interview with Nancy Grace. Someone posted a link to it back in one of the other threads but I don't know which one.I posted it because Skyla's grandmother said the mother told her there were shots to the legs, but she personally did not raise the blanket to see for herself. She did see the other wounds or the vicinity of the gauze covering them. She also said they believed the girls were killed in the first shots and they then unloaded the gun on them. This was on Greta, not NG.

Also, in order for the grandmother to see the frontal wound sites, Skyla had to have been laying on her back. If OSBI said their faces were towards the road, this would mean the shooter was standing in front of them and they fell backwards either North or South instead of backwards into the weeds.

[tiredblondy]

I have a thought. On tv when they have a snitch they usually arrest them with anyone else they bust. What if the check guy was the snitch and they arrested him so he would be protected in jail? This may have already been discussed. I'm just now getting on the computer today. Forgive me if it has.

[Morag]

I have wondered if they were meeting someone or had been meeting someone down there. One thing I'm sure of...we don't know but about 25% of what Rosser and the cops know...

SailorMoon, I, too, wondered about the regular walks to the bridge, and if there was a "cute guy" involved. And one thing I'm sure of...we don't know but about 25% of what our teenaged kids are up to!

Also, the afternoon temps must have been in the 90's down there- it would have taken a "cute guy" to make me walk to the bridge or elsewhere in the Texas of my youth on a hot day. Although I doubt a teenager did this deed, if they were meeting up with someone near the bridge, then there is info to be had from that someone.

[SeriouslySearching]

You've gotta be kiddin' me SS. Taylor is just killed, along with her best friend, gunned down execution style, making national news and you don't think it's anything more than just the cops figured out he had a warrant from five years back?
They aren't going to arrest him for a five year old $50 hot check, when his family member was just executed in the road. Nope.
I see this as a true attempt by the LE to get Jr in their custody, protect him and keep him from the killer(s). Oh and to gain info from him too.This is how it is done in Oklahoma. They may not actively pursue serving a Bench Warrant of when it is insignificant as a hot check...they will wait until the person makes some contact with LE either by calling them or by LE dealing with them on another matter...THEN they will serve the warrant and arrest them. They always check for outstanding warrants on people they are checking out for other things. I have seen this happen time after time. It may not be the way it is done in other parts of the country, but I promise it is the way it is done here.

[SeriouslySearching]

I had a feeling the time the girls left the house was wrong either due to clocks being wrong or people just not paying much attention. Glad they finally figured that out! While it does change the timeline a bit, I don't consider it that significant other than it gives more time for the girls to make it to the bridge easier and back. It also would give more time for them to have been in some discussion with the perp/perps.

[SuziQ]

Just saw this....
http://newsok.com/domestic-dispute-ends-with-arrest-in-weleetka/article/3258502/?tm=1213720268

Holy ****

[EnvoyDriver61]

If OSBI said their faces were towards the road, this would mean the shooter was standing in front of them and they fell backwards either North or South instead of backwards into the weeds.

I only watched that video once, but I thought Rosser said the girls heads were toward the road, not merely there faces, which puts them more at an angle to the road rather than their faces which would put them more parallel to the road.

[SuziQ]

http://www.koco.com/news/16623209/detail.html

A man described by authorities as a person of interest in the killings of two Weleetka girls is taken into custody, authorities said. (more at link)

[OrdinaryLife]

Yes, it was taken for forensic analysis.

Thank you for the info. It could be interesting to see where Taylor had been concerning the internet. At the very least, it could exclude some possibilities that have been shared here.

[Spazkat9696]

:clap::clap::clap::clap: person of interest found.

[January.]

I'm confused. The first link says the person taken into custody is not connected to the investigation, yet the second link says it's the POI. Unless it's two separate incidents, then it makes sense. If they really did find the POI as in the second link, why only that tiny little one-sentence mention of it??

[Beyond Belief]

http://www.koco.com/news/16623209/detail.html

A man described by authorities as a person of interest in the killings of two Weleetka girls is taken into custody, authorities said. (more at link)
I hope they got the right guy. Thank goodness.

[SuziQ]

I'm confused. The first link says the person taken into custody is not connected to the investigation, yet the second link says it's the POI. Unless it's two separate incidents, then it makes sense. If they really did find the POI as in the second link, why only that tiny little one-sentence mention of it??

And the front page of Koco says man arrested not involved in the killings. But the actual article says they found the POI. Are there two different incidents here? It's confusing.

[SuziQ]

Article updated:

http://www.koco.com/news/16629920/detail.html
A man arrested during an incident at a school in Weleetka was deemed to be mentally ill and has no involvement in an investigation into the killings of two girls, troopers said (more at link)

ETA:So what about the POI?

[Lyn1001]

I think the confusion is because they originally thought the guy was possibly the POI, but then later realized it wasn't. That may be why there are two "different" stories.

[Lyn1001]

In regards to the position of the bodies, I know Skyla's grandmother saw them face up, but could that be because of the EMTs? Is it possible they were face down but turned over by the EMTs? I know there has been a lot of discussion on how we think they would have fallen after being shot. I thought if they were moved in the course of the EMTs work, it may make more sense.

[Littledeer]

Drat, it sure would have been great if it had been the POI!!!!!

Like I've said earlier, this guy is being protected somewhere. IMO

I'm sure that his name, etc. are in all the state and federal databases by now including a picture of him.

Unfortunately, his picture is not showing up to the general population in other areas of OK and in other states.

[Littledeer]

GREAT JOB MISSHOLMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[winteryns]

In regards to the position of the bodies, I know Skyla's grandmother saw them face up, but could that be because of the EMTs? Is it possible they were face down but turned over by the EMTs? I know there has been a lot of discussion on how we think they would have fallen after being shot. I thought if they were moved in the course of the EMTs work, it may make more sense.

I think you are right.

[Littledeer]

Even Peter himself being first on the scene might have turned the girls over to see if they had a pulse??

[murdershewrote]

yeah, it is confusing. I'm reading it that the original article was updated today with the finding of the POI.

[KR2tonenow]

http://www.koco.com/news/16623209/detail.html

A man described by authorities as a person of interest in the killings of two Weleetka girls is taken into custody, authorities said. (more at link)


What is with the media sending out wrong info!!:confused:

[MissHolmes]

GREAT JOB MISSHOLMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks Littledeer :blushing:

[Claycat]

The family tree has been partially updated. I will be working on it throughout the day.

http://placker.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=placker&view=9&rand=767200765
Stars added to the front of the name have been added to note they may not be in the
proper place in the tree. But it did seem necessary to add them at this time.

Thanks to those who have sent me additional information :blowkiss:
Please continue to send me any info you may have to add.

This is awesome, MissHolmes! Good job! This shows that Peter does have a brother named Joe! Maybe that proves the relationship!

[Littledeer]

I've started thread #5.

Please continue over there. I'll ask one of the mods to close this one. It is getting to long.

MissHolmes, not to worry, I will bring your tribalpages over!!!!!!