3 yr old abused, almost to death

[Liz]

3 Year old girl had "dead flesh from ankles to toes", in abuse case; Mom and boyfriend charged

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_061808_toddlerabuse.16c293bb.html

ST. MARIES, ID -- A three year old girl is in critical condition at Sacred Heart Medical Center in Spokane after suspected abuse by her mother and live-in boyfriend that left the girl with dead flesh on her legs and arms.

More at link above.

When found the little girl was fading in and out of consciousness. She required some type of immediate surgery to save her life, and currently has a 50% chance of survival.

Prayers for this dear child.

[pedinurse]

OMG, that is horrible...
i wonder if it was some kind of horrible burn that got infected? or if they put some kind of tourniquet around the limbs to cut off the circulation (a ponytail holder can do this).
POOR BABY!!!! that is very disturbing!!

[pedinurse]

5 words regarding that mother (and her boyfriend... ack!):

never allowed to breed again!

[Liz]

The locals were saying things like, "skip the trial and just hang them"!

I don't know, maybe the little girl was left out in the cold and got frostbite? I just don't know!

And that dude sure looks rough for 29!

[pedinurse]

yeah, they both look rough... i bet the locals would be more than pleased to give them a taste of their own medicine!!

[Liz]

I didn't think the mother looked too bad.

Here's the KXLY version of the story - with a pic of the perps:

http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8520602

[BeavisMom62]

How strange. I wonder what they did to that poor child? I hope she makes it.

[imthemom]

The locals were saying things like, "skip the trial and just hang them"!

I don't know, maybe the little girl was left out in the cold and got frostbite? I just don't know!

And that dude sure looks rough for 29!

I agree just hang them but torture them first.:furious:

[Floh]

Throw them away.

[ceeaura]

I hope she makes it!
That dude sure does look rough and scary looking :(

Children are suffering everywhere and I feel so helpless.It just breaks my heart.

[Rino]

Yeah, he sure looks like he hit the wall hard. I agree with the locals, just punish the sob's

[SewingDeb]

Deputy's report:
http://www.krem.com/images/061808_toddlerabuse.pdf

He says the two adults were indifferent to the child's condition.

[SewingDeb]

She met him on the internet and let him take care of her child while she worked from home. This just makes me sick!

[teonspaleprincess]

It seems that the abuse of children is getting worse and worse. Not the number of cases, but the manner in which so-called parents are abusing the kids. It is like every case is one-upping the other in terms of severity and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Prayers for this poor little girl. Dear Lord, Please let her survive and be placed in a home where she will know love and a tender touch. Amen.

[Linda7NJ]

Could she been beaten and stuffed in a freezer as punishment?

Just when I think I can't read of something else worse than the story before .........I do.

[Claycat]

It does seem like the abuse is worse and worse. Poor kid!

If they don't put these people to death, which they should, they should at least have them fixed so they can't ever have any more children, and then lock them away forever.

[colomom]

The Dreamin' Demon site is posting links to MySpace pages (ugh)....

HIS (http://www.myspace.com/tattooloves269)
HERS (http://www.myspace.com/whiskey_07)

[Spazkat9696]

How sad. I hope they got to her in time. I wonder why parents ,if you choose to call them that, choose one child and treat them badly while treating the others fine. Don't get me wrong I'm glad the 6 year old was seemingly unharmed. I just wonder the mid-set. How can you target your own child like that.

[Mygirlsadie]

The myspace pages really make me sick..hers is all about oh I love my babies first and then my horses blah blah blah...his is all about oooh i'm so bad, I can kick your butt blah blah blah..LOSERS!

[Liz]

The Dreamin' Demon site is posting links to MySpace pages (ugh)....

HIS (http://www.myspace.com/tattooloves269)
HERS (http://www.myspace.com/whiskey_07)

On 6/17 Charles Smith's listed his mood as "evil". Also his profile states, "Love me or hate me I'm not going away *itch's"

Dude's flexing his muscles because he can beat up a 3 yr old! :rolleyes:

[believe09]

About me:
I'm all about having fun and trying new things, rite after the kids are taken care of. my kindness is never ending as long as its not abused.

Huh-her idea of taking care of her kids and her kindness are head-scratchin'.:waitasec:

[believe09]

I bet it was ice. For prolonged periods of time. And somehow I am betting potty training was involved. And he was punching her....OMG. I hope I am wrong. The 6 year old's father saw her 3 weeks ago and said both seemed fine??? No way.

[Salem]

So - following back her my space it seems she started talking seriously to this guy in Sept 2007. I wonder how long they have lived together?

The LE statements says the little girl may have been frostbit. They must of left her outside with no shoes. Also her hands were affected. The description was horrible. This poor baby. The six year old is old enough to talk, so she can possibly shed some light on what was happening. I feel bad for her also, having to witness such ugliness.

I hope both these POS fry. If mom works from home, why did the BF have the kid? That doesn't make sense to me. Also, her injuries were ongoing and possibly infected. That doesn't happen in an hour. She was part of this, no way out. She can blame it on the BF all she wants, the facts, as reported, show that she did not care enough to get treatment for her daughter nor stop the BF from whatever he was doing. She is just as guilty!

Salem

[Lucy's mom]

About me:
I'm all about having fun and trying new things, rite after the kids are taken care of. my kindness is never ending as long as its not abused.

Huh-her idea of taking care of her kids and her kindness are head-scratchin'.:waitasec:
I saw that too. What an absolutely horrible mother. If anyone, especially a man, laid a hand on my daughter, I would be the one going to jail.

[Floh]

It does seem like the abuse is worse and worse. Poor kid!

If they don't put these people to death, which they should, they should at least have them fixed so they can't ever have any more children, and then lock them away forever.

Well. what Claycat said.

[Floh]

I have rarely said this: i want them to die a slow, painful, death.

[Liz]

I have rarely said this: i want them to die a slow, painful, death.


I can understand that, Floh. These people are just plain sickening! :sick:

[NewMom2003]

I have rarely said this: i want them to die a slow, painful, death.


I've been thinking that a lot too lately. :furious:

[texasgirl]

OMG!! Prayers for this poor little girl...

Some people just shouldn't have kids...and according to his myspace--he has 6!!

[January.]

I have rarely said this: i want them to die a slow, painful, death.

I'm right there with you :furious:

[Liz]

Look at this precious child, Kyra, and someone tell me how anyone can abuse and neglect a child like this?

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_061908_childabuseupdate.1cc7b361.html

Kyra had more surgery today and is still in critical condition.

Prayers for that precious little doll!

[colomom]

Look at this precious child, Kyra, and someone tell me how anyone can abuse and neglect a child like this?


I call it....POSSESSION

prayers for baby girl....

[imthemom]

Look at this precious child, Kyra, and someone tell me how anyone can abuse and neglect a child like this?

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_061908_childabuseupdate.1cc7b361.html

Kyra had more surgery today and is still in critical condition.

Prayers for that precious little doll!

Did you see where an Illinois sherrif that dealt with him before called him a piece of ****. I thought that was pretty dang funny but I could thing of some other things to call these two. I hope someone gets them before it even goes to trial.

[Liz]

Illinois Sheriff calls Idaho child abuse suspect "a piece of (expletive)"
http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_061808_toddlerabuse.16c293bb.html

Krem2 news spoke with Perry County (IL) sheriff, where the suspect, Charles Smith, used to live and learned he had run-ins with the law back there.

Smith is accused in the child abuse case of his girlfriend's 3 yr old daughter, Kyra Wine.

Sheriff Keith Kellerman said he had to deal with Smith (article gives city name, instead of suspect's name) a couple of times, including a domestic violence case and a few traffic violations. Kellerman said, "He's a piece of (expletive)."

More at link ...

[Liz]

Did you see where an Illinois sherrif that dealt with him before called him a piece of ****. I thought that was pretty dang funny but I could thing of some other things to call these two. I hope someone gets them before it even goes to trial.

I was typing the above post as you were posting.

Also caught the tail end of a news report where the guy's mom swears he would never hurt a child and they plan to defend him. Supposedly she (his mom) posted to his myspace. Yeah mom ... your lil Charlie wouldn't hurt a fly, right? :rolleyes:

[Tom'sGirl]

I can understand that, Floh. These people are just plain sickening! :sick:
More than sickening gal friend!

He looks like a skinny tweeker to me, and his contant postings on her MySpace sound like he is!

[texasgirl]

Seeing Kyra's picture makes me even more mad that her mother could allow this or contribute to this baby's suffering! She looks like my little girl did at that age and it makes my blood boil!

I am SO thankful that someone called the police and got her the help she so desperately needed. That person is an angel from above IMO. God bless this precious little girl...I can't imagine what she went through to have the injuries she had.

[Salem]

These people are such scum, I can't stand it. Watching the video of the babysitter. She said that man was left home with the girls all the time. GROSS! I'm screaming out loud here. Scum. I hope someone beats them in the jail house and I hope it hurts!

Salem

[Liz]

I just heard on KHQ news that Kyra's condition has been upgraded to "serious" just a few hours ago. Glad to get some encouraging news about her. Also heard she's had numerous surgeries. Keep praying that she continues to recover.

KREM news interviewed her father, Tom, and he was saying he just wants to know *why*. Also mentioned that Kyra asked for her car seat and wants to go home. Bless her sweet little heart.

Should be more on 6pm news.

[Tom'sGirl]

I just heard on KHQ news that Kyra's condition has been upgraded to "serious" just a few hours ago. Glad to get some encouraging news about her. Also heard she's had numerous surgeries. Keep praying that she continues to recover.

KREM news interviewed her father, Tom, and he was saying he just wants to know *why*. Also mentioned that Kyra asked for her car seat and wants to go home. Bless her sweet little heart.

Should be more on 6pm news.
Thanks for the update Liz!

[Idaho4Groenes]

This abuse case happened in my town. St. Maries. Ugh. I'd be one of the angry locals someone mentioned earlier. But seriously, I'm considering going down to the jail and showing them what's up. I wonder how they would like me to pull up their skulls? :furious:

Here's the quote that his mommy put on his MySpace: "this is his mother, i know my son wouldnt hurt any child, HIS INNOCENT DONT BELEAVE EVERYTHING YOU READ. HIS FAMILY WILL DEFEND HIM UNTIL THE DAY WE DIE!!!!!!!" *rolls eyes*

On a better note, as Liz mentioned, her condition is up to serious now. Here's an article from the Spokesman Review with a little more detail.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=15381

Prayers for sweet Kyra.
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/media/photos/20080620_kyra-wine.jpg

[Liz]

I heard that on the news tonight I4G .... I can't even contemplate that her scalp was pulled up?! :mad: What kind of monster does that!? :furious:

Heartbreaking to think a child would get upset & start crying because it was time to go home with/to mommy. Children should be looking forward to seeing Mommy! :(

I4G - Thanks for giving us Smith's mother's quoted message left on his my space.

Definitely saying prayers for Kyra, her sister and their daddy.

[evelyn24]

This makes me sick. Look at her, how can anybody do this? What mother allows a man off the internet into her home?
Sheesh.

[Busylady]

A video where Kyra's father speaks. Can just hear in his voice he loves this little girl.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/report-kyra-wines-father-speaks/2055381446

[Zanko]

So does his dear mum think aliens came in and abused this child while he was oblivious to it happening? Or that he is somehow an abused and controlled spouse? Mommy needs to wake up and smell the roses!

[imthemom]

This is so horrible. I can't believe this poor baby has survived. Thank God someone called before it was too late and she was actually checked on. I will never understand mother's who choose boyfriends over their children. It makes me angrier than anything in this world:furious:. What were they using the syringe and the baster for in the bedroom? She was obviously bleeding also because there was blood found in the house. Poor baby, prayers for Kyra.

[Mygirlsadie]

Him and his mama are pure trash. Oh and sweet Kyra's mom? She's even worse...

[Idaho4Groenes]

Today's Spokesman article. MULTIPLE reports to CPS. NOTHING done. :furious:

Nurse, care provider say they told state of neglect

A nurse and a former child care owner say they made at least five complaints total to Idaho Health and Welfare Services about possible abuse of a 3-year-old St. Maries girl who was recovering Friday from multiple surgeries in a Spokane hospital.

“I reported to CPS, in detail, three times, and they’ve done nothing,” said Solitaire Lounsbury, a referral nurse at Fairchild Air Force Base who lives in St. Maries and got to know Kyra Wine and her 6-year-old sister, Amanda Wine, because they occasionally attended the same child care center her children attend. The operator of that child care, Norma Mabbutt, said she also tried to alert social workers.

More: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=15392

[Mygirlsadie]

OMG! How and WHY does this happen?! We have read over and over again here at WS about little children being killed and abused/tortured who have been reported to CPS multiple times.. I don't get it? I'm getting so freakin annoyed at this.. :furious:




Today's Spokesman article. MULTIPLE reports to CPS. NOTHING done. :furious:

Nurse, care provider say they told state of neglect

A nurse and a former child care owner say they made at least five complaints total to Idaho Health and Welfare Services about possible abuse of a 3-year-old St. Maries girl who was recovering Friday from multiple surgeries in a Spokane hospital.

“I reported to CPS, in detail, three times, and they’ve done nothing,” said Solitaire Lounsbury, a referral nurse at Fairchild Air Force Base who lives in St. Maries and got to know Kyra Wine and her 6-year-old sister, Amanda Wine, because they occasionally attended the same child care center her children attend. The operator of that child care, Norma Mabbutt, said she also tried to alert social workers.

More: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=15392

[Zanko]

Whenever contacting Child Welfare, make sure that you end the call with asking exactly who you are talking to and log the date and time and content of the call. Make sure the call taker is aware you are documenting all of this. Just maybe the person taking the report will perk up when they realize that you are carefully documenting when the report was made and who it was made to. Be sure to clarify any response you get, such as if the call taker (screener) says that the call will be "followed up on" or "logged" or "not logged." If you don't see any intervention and no change (or not appropriate change) be persistent and keep calling and recording.
Too often I have seen calls to CW not be followed up on. I think sometimes reports are dismissed too easily because of overwhelming work loads???

[Salem]

From Idaho's link above:

"Simnit said that when residents call the state to report possible abuse, they must offer details about what happened and should call immediately about the suspected abuse occurs. When asked what type of specifics the agency would need, she said: “I don’t have a manual to quantify what level of specific detail.”

What a bunch of BS. CPS is trying to cover its hiney here! They are supposed to check out all calls. Some calls, if it is not real "specific" they have 10 working days to respond to. All others, they have 24 hours. The teen daughter brought this to the attention of the bus driver and the principal, both mandatory reporters and CPS was told at LEAST 5 times. No excuse, and if I was that little girl's dad, I would be suing someone for failure to report, failure to act and failure to notify. :furious::furious::furious:

Salem

[SewingDeb]

In one of the links on this thread, I read where the boyfriend would stay up 48 hours at a time. That makes me think Meth.

[SewingDeb]

Little Kyra Wine improving, wants out of hospital

http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_062008_tomwine.21610cb8.html

[SewingDeb]

Salem, I missed it somewhere....I didn't know there was teenage daughter who reported it to the bus driver and the principal. I am disgusted that nothing was done before now.

[Tom'sGirl]

In one of the links on this thread, I read where the boyfriend would stay up 48 hours at a time. That makes me think Meth.

Oh yeah, definitely! I mentioned that I thought he looked like a tweeker just from his photo.

[SewingDeb]

He really does.

This is from an article about a totally different abuse case but this is what police said and maybe we should keep this in mind:

Meanwhile, Troyer said the case raises a number of larger issues — such as CPS procedures that he said give police too little information too late. He also said that a public that diligently calls CPS to report suspected child abuse might be better off calling police instead.

"I just don't understand why people have been brainwashed into calling CPS," Troyer said. "It's a crime; it should be investigated by police."



http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003814038_abuse31m.html

[SewingDeb]

This is also informative from the link I posted about another case:

Troyer said things might have been different if detectives had known about the eight prior complaints.

Under CPS policy, intake workers decide whether to forward complaints to law enforcement by filling out what's known as a "blue sheet." But the blue sheets don't always provide important information, Troyer said — like details about prior complaints.

"We get blue sheets with two or three sentences on them," Troyer said. "We just get piles and piles of blue sheets and no way of tracking them."

[philamena]

Troyer said things might have been different if detectives had known about the eight prior complaints.

That breaks my heart. Eight complaints and thuis child was left in the home. :banghead:

[Liz]

Salem, I missed it somewhere....I didn't know there was teenage daughter who reported it to the bus driver and the principal. I am disgusted that nothing was done before now.

Deb - the (15 yr old) teenager that reported possible abuse was the daughter of the woman that sometimes watched the Wine children (Norma Mabbutt). The teen rode the bus to school with Amanda Wine, the 6 yr old. The teen reported to the principal (and the school bus driver) that the girl's face seemed swollen and just not looking right; and when asked about it, Amanda's replies seemed hesitant and rehearsed.

I'm wondering if a 15 yr old can pick up on this child's apparent abuse ... why in heaven isn't the 6 yr old's school teacher picking up on it!?!?! (I know it's alleged abuse, but my mind is pretty convinced at this point.)

The above info was in the link provided by Idaho4Groenes but I'll post it again in case anyone missed it:

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=15392

[colomom]

That's it for me. If I suspect an abuse of a child...I am calling the police and I will exaggerate, if necessary.

I am sick of reading how CPS has dropped the ball.....

[Liz]

It's truly a shame, isn't it colomom?

I'm feeling physically sick just thinking about what this poor little girl went through. I read this earlier article, which states that most of her scalp was 'pulled up' and she is missing most of her hair. I'd never even heard of such a thing before, but imagining it is just horrific!

And, the county prosecutor, Douglas Payne, said it was the worst case of child abuse he'd ever seen!


http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8531672&nav=menu683_2

[believe09]

They were either dragging her or holding her by her hair-that is how her scalp was pulled up and away from her skull. I am betting the turkey baster and the cup had her bowls or bladder...did any of you read Sybil?

This case leaves me speechless, almost hollow. Who are these women that are so weak they let these men destroy their children? I don't get it....

[colomom]

Oh god yeah, I read Sybil...changed my outlook forever. I thought the same when I read about the "tools" of their abuse.

Torture of a child is lower than low, sicker than sick and Satan's playground. And I am NOT a religious person.

Evil, plain and simple.

[Zanko]

I was trying not to sound jaded with my earlier post. I am a mandatory reporter to CW if there is any suspected abuse or neglect or even if I have third hand info about suspected abuse or neglect. I have been actually laughed at by CW workers for making a report that the screener obviously felt was a waste of her time. Calling the Police doesn't do much better unless the abuse is extremely obvious and blatant, which is rarely the case, especially early on. There is definitely something wrong with the system when multiple reports of abuse/neglect can go uninvestigated.

[colomom]

I was trying not to sound jaded with my earlier post. I am a mandatory reporter to CW if there is any suspected abuse or neglect or even if I have third hand info about suspected abuse or neglect. I have been actually laughed at by CW workers for making a report that the screener obviously felt was a waste of her time. Calling the Police doesn't do much better unless the abuse is extremely obvious and blatant, which is rarely the case, especially early on. There is definitely something wrong with the system when multiple reports of abuse/neglect can go uninvestigated.

While I can appreciate the lack of action taken in most cases Zanko, maybe because nobody is bleeding, I will not be still. I will make such a nuisance of myself that they will arrest me for calling so often. I don't care who laughs.

I agree with your last sentence...totally.

[SewingDeb]

Liz, thank you for the link and info. You would think the teacher would notice if a teenager noticed.

[believe09]

FWIW, I had a long conversation with a friend who was a corrections officer in a unit that housed inmates who had committed crimes like this. He said the public has no idea how much these inmates are hated-even the ones who are guarded get spit on, feces flung at then and urine...they are constantly screamed at and threatened by other inmates, and if they are not in a protection program, let's just say what we have read and imagine is not the half of what they go through...male or female. Small consolation I suppose, but there is a rough justice...

[Salem]

Liz, thank you for the link and info. You would think the teacher would notice if a teenager noticed.

Yes Liz - thanks for clarifying for me. I was angry and not checking to make sure I made sense :crazy:

This is a very disturbing case and unexcusable on so many different levels.

Given some things that have happened in my area, I second the recommendation to call the police. I believe the police have to respond, at least in CA and unlike CPS, the police can not wait 10 days if "they" don't think it is serious. You can just ask for a "welfare" check. Things seem to fall into place much faster when the police are notified.

Salem

[Liz]

Salem, no prob. Actually I had to read back as I didn't even know what you were referring to. You're sure right about this being disturbing and unexcusable.

Yesterday I found some comments on a blog, and one or two people claim to know "Charlie". They were going on about what a sweet guy he was and how he'd never do anything to hurt a child. Depriving a child of medical care that almost killed them is pretty harmful, imo!

Oh, apparently meth seems to be the general consensus.

I wonder how little Kyra is doing? Anyone heard anything?

[Salem]

I haven't seen anything new for the past 2 days. I just re-read a few of the articles. If I was this little girl's mom, I would shoot the bast*!&. I wonder if we can send messages to him and her mom while they are in jail. Or maybe to the other inmates giving them all the details available in the media. What sick, sick, sick POSs.

Salem

[SewingDeb]

Surgeons removed all the toes from Kyra Wine’s left foot, part of the toes on her right and part of a pinky finger.

As the 3-year-old lay in a hospital bed at Sacred Heart Medical Center recovering from surgery, she asked her grandma for an orange popsicle.

“She was savagely devouring a red popsicle when I got there,” Deanna Wine said. “She was on her third.”

Then she asked for an orange one.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/nhb/media/smgr10.htm

[Tom'sGirl]

Surgeons removed all the toes from Kyra Wine’s left foot, part of the toes on her right and part of a pinky finger.

As the 3-year-old lay in a hospital bed at Sacred Heart Medical Center recovering from surgery, she asked her grandma for an orange popsicle.

“She was savagely devouring a red popsicle when I got there,” Deanna Wine said. “She was on her third.”

Then she asked for an orange one.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/nhb/media/smgr10.htm
Thanks for the update Deb.............so sad!

[Liz]

Thanks for the update Deb.............so sad!

Ditto.
Heartbreaking.

[believe09]

They thought the dead skin on the toddler’s hands, feet and buttocks were freezer burns. The child may have been put in a freezer as a disciplinary measure. Investigators considered that too, said Benewah County Sheriff Robert Kirts. “It was one of the possibilities we discussed because of the condition of her feet,” Sheriff Kirts said. Officers have since ruled it out. “We don’t think so,” he said. Dehydration seemed a more likely cause of the deadening of the extremities Haynes and Smith told deputies they weren’t sure how the injuries occurred. According to a deputy report, the couple seemed indifferent of the toddler’s condition. Smith’s preliminary hearing is scheduled June 30 at 1:30 p.m. A hearing date for Haynes is pending. The case is under investigation. In addition to the dead flesh on her extremities, Kyra suffered injuries elsewhere on her body. “She had wounds here and there,” said her grandmother. “Those are healing up really well.” Doctors are monitoring the remaining digits for signs of healing. More surgeries could follow. “We don’t know what’s going to happen,” said Mrs. Wine. “We don’t know what may come up.” She said the family has a benefit fund at the St. Joe Credit Union for Kyra’s future medical issues. “It’s for those things that Kyra will need, that Medicaid won’t pay for,” she said.

[Liz]

Smith’s preliminary hearing is scheduled June 30 at 1:30 p.m. A hearing date for Haynes is pending. The case is under investigation.


Prior to the above report, both Haynes and Smith had preliminary hearings scheduled for 1:30 on Monday, June 30th.

Then the report above, had Haynes' hearing postponed. Now both Haynes' and Smith's preliminary hearings have been postponed.

I'm getting worried that prosecutors may not have sufficient evidence to hold these two, and that's why the postponement. I bet that lady that called the cops is concerned about these two getting out of jail. Gee, let's pray that there is enough evidence to keep both these sub-humans incarcerated for a long time so the children, their father, and the community in general will be better.

[Ciara]

This story makes me want to cry and also to hate with a passion those pair of cretins......I'd love to see them locked in a freezer along with all those saying what a "sweet" guy he was.......Ugh!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Not to sound like a *itch here but where was Grandma when the little girl was being abused?





Surgeons removed all the toes from Kyra Wine’s left foot, part of the toes on her right and part of a pinky finger.

As the 3-year-old lay in a hospital bed at Sacred Heart Medical Center recovering from surgery, she asked her grandma for an orange popsicle.

“She was savagely devouring a red popsicle when I got there,” Deanna Wine said. “She was on her third.”

Then she asked for an orange one.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/nhb/media/smgr10.htm

[Spazkat9696]

Maybe grandma was the one who turned them in. It said the reporter called because she was not allowed to see the children. If I read it correctly.

[believe09]

Maybe grandma was the one who turned them in. It said the reporter called because she was not allowed to see the children. If I read it correctly.


The babysitter was not allowed to see them as well. I look several times a day for updates on this case...I want to know why, although I will never receive the answer.

[Salem]

I'm with you believe09 - this one really gets to me too! This poor baby was really let down by the system.

It sounds like Grandma is the dad's mother, so I would venture to guess haynes kept her away from the children as much as she was able to. I don't really know, I'm just guessing. Or, she could live in another state and just came to be with Dad and the girls when she found out what happened? Grandparents don't always live close.

Salem

[believe09]

I can't stand it-I mean really can't. At least 5 calls made by professional people, including nurses. For both girls. Nothing. Not a wellbeing check-nothing. Na-thing. Sorry-it is making me crazy.

[Salem]

Ohhhh - I know. It is so frustrating. But, hopefully, this will shake their system up and maybe some new policies will be put in place that will ensure other don't fall through the cracks.

And she's getting better now. The poor little thing. It just breaks my heart.

I'm holding on to the thought that mom is having some rough times in the local pokey. I wish I knew someone in there I could slip a note to. I'm just hoping the women in there with her are "helping" her out, if you know what I mean.

Salem

[Zanko]

Ohhhh - I know. It is so frustrating. But, hopefully, this will shake their system up and maybe some new policies will be put in place that will ensure other don't fall through the cracks.

And she's getting better now. The poor little thing. It just breaks my heart.

I'm holding on to the thought that mom is having some rough times in the local pokey. I wish I knew someone in there I could slip a note to. I'm just hoping the women in there with her are "helping" her out, if you know what I mean.

Salem
It would be nice if it shook up their system. In the state I live in, after several cases like this where it was apparent that CW dropped the ball, they instituted a new rule that not all calls from mandatory reporters (daycares, social services, teachers...) had to be logged at all! Prior to this ruling, all calls from mandatory reporters at least had to be logged, if not followed up on. I guess they are more interested in covering their legal behinds. (I'm being grumpy and jaded). I know there are a lot of wonderful workers for CW and some that aren't so wonderful. But, I'm talking about the system being messed up.

[Salem]

It would be nice if it shook up their system. In the state I live in, after several cases like this where it was apparent that CW dropped the ball, they instituted a new rule that not all calls from mandatory reporters (daycares, social services, teachers...) had to be logged at all! Prior to this ruling, all calls from mandatory reporters at least had to be logged, if not followed up on. I guess they are more interested in covering their legal behinds. (I'm being grumpy and jaded). I know there are a lot of wonderful workers for CW and some that aren't so wonderful. But, I'm talking about the system being messed up.

Zanko - this is terrible. I was hoping that calls would not only have to be logged, but that CPS would make it a rule that they "laided eyes on the child." I really, really, really hope this case does not cause a backlash that will make it easier for CPS to avoid actual contact with a child. That would be horrible.

Maybe we need some federal rules for how CPS acts and when they actually view a child. Then all agencies would have to act the same in this regard. Another reason to call the police and ask for the "welfare" check.

So sad......

Salem

[nursebeeme]

Hi all,
What also is strange is the lack of anger in the bio dad during the raw interview with him. Very strange!

[believe09]

Bio Dad is probably medicated-I cannot even fathom how much you would feel like you failed your child if you saw her relatively healthy and 3 weeks later the hair had been ripped off of her head and she had dead flesh...forgive the recap.

[Liz]

Harrison firefighters hold fundraiser for Kyra
http://www.kxly.com/global/story.asp?s=8621683

Kyra is slowly getting better and has been transferred from the ICU unit to the pediatric unit at Sacred Heart Hospital.

The Harrison Fire Dept fired up three barbeque grills on the 4th of July, cooking up hamburgers and hot dogs, to help aid in her recovery.

The report also mentioned that she had suffered from internal bleeding.

Praying Kyra's perpetrators get everything they deserve!

[Idaho4Groenes]

The Harrison fundraiser got $4,000. And Kyra is now in satisfactory condition! I'm not sure if the link will work, cuz I had to have a password, but give it a shot. It's from the St. Maries paper.

Also, a spaghetti feed fundraiser will be in St. Maries at the Elks Lodge on Saturday July 25 from 5-8 pm.

Kyra in satisfactory condition
http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/07/09/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=3004c2455a3599a2c0c620d153949f 1ded53adf3cac1eeab04f71a0c36511b961a728482a516aa73 2172404a276344ba39f958f9b7c1f2e8912307198d5dfdbf2b 09d7d249673e48b93d9ecc76992aed5040ec5bb868006d9df6 8e6816641a2928fe2a33762da0f000224544b789a563b4f75f 24f850eb753ffe50c9cb16b52d298c79f73543a256f57fc1a3 4ed567e995dcd7ffae249106e092fb8fa569e62e003d6abf70 65b9acfc997214aaf6a36f9632850fe0ad29ee2ce5ef5f35f2 2fad10ed3dde0756451d6502b8f1fce9635de12b7cbc96e305 1914a7f77a76a31a3346ed86f610fd5eeecc86a15f3a86f3e8 14e8e45a0d0461b0edaedce2c5812426

Kyra Wine’s condition was upgraded to satisfactory and the 3-year-old was moved from ICU to the pediatrics ward.

[snip]

Doctors will remove vacuum bandages this week that assist in healing and providing oxygen to the wounds on Kyra’s feet.

“They are going to remove the dressings and see how well they did,” said Mrs. Wine. “Overall, she’s doing really good.”

A firemen fundraiser last weekend in Harrison raised approximately $4,000 for the girls.

[snip]

The state agency itself is being scrutinized after several people accused the department’s child protective services of taking no action despite receiving calls from concerned neighbors.

The agency refuses to answer questions regarding the calls it received.

Michelle Britton, administrator for Health and Welfare's Division of Family and Community Services, said privacy laws prevent her from commenting.

“I cannot tell you how many calls,” she said. “It is truly private.”

Joyce Broadsword, who is the vice-chair of the Senate Health and Welfare Committee, said an internal investigation is underway, as well as an investigation by the Keeping Children Safe panel n a watchdog group that reports to the legislature.

“I have every confidence if there is a problem it will be taken care of,” Sen. Broadsword said.

[Tom'sGirl]

The Harrison fundraiser got $4,000. And Kyra is now in satisfactory condition! I'm not sure if the link will work, cuz I had to have a password, but give it a shot. It's from the St. Maries paper.

Your link worked fine, thanks so much for the update!

[Tricia]

Wow. This is just mind numbing.

Look at this guy. He is a major tweeker. How in the world a mother could let this skinny sore covered creep near her children is beyond me. What in the world would any female find the least bit attractive.

Nobody is perfect, especially me but honest to God, if I even DATED someone who didn't think my kid was the greatest, let alone abuse him, he is TOAST. Gone, Done,...TOAST sorry, i said that already

This might be irrational but my anger raging more for the mom. Don't get me wrong, I could throw the switch on the boyfriend and go out dancing after but it makes me crazy when I read about women who let their boyfriends abuse their children.

[kazzbar]

Wow. This is just mind numbing.

Look at this guy. He is a major tweeker. How in the world a mother could let this skinny sore covered creep near her children is beyond me. What in the world would any female find the least bit attractive.

Nobody is perfect, especially me but honest to God, if I even DATED someone who didn't think my kid was the greatest, let alone abuse him, he is TOAST. Gone, Done,...TOAST sorry, i said that already

This might be irrational but my anger raging more for the mom. Don't get me wrong, I could throw the switch on the boyfriend and go out dancing after but it makes me crazy when I read about women who let their boyfriends abuse their children.
Great post, Tricia....all I can say is this woman and many like her have no self respect or esteeem...Women who let their boyfriends abuse there kids are just 'low life' in my book.

[Mygirlsadie]

That's right! My guy better just ADORE my 3 little beauties or he can hit the road and i'm not even playing.. My step-dad and mom got married when I was 5yrs old and to this day I can feel the love he has for me I know he adores me just as my mom does and I am so greatful for that. Also I don't go for guys with sores..nope just doesn't do it for me.





Wow. This is just mind numbing.

Look at this guy. He is a major tweeker. How in the world a mother could let this skinny sore covered creep near her children is beyond me. What in the world would any female find the least bit attractive.

Nobody is perfect, especially me but honest to God, if I even DATED someone who didn't think my kid was the greatest, let alone abuse him, he is TOAST. Gone, Done,...TOAST sorry, i said that already

This might be irrational but my anger raging more for the mom. Don't get me wrong, I could throw the switch on the boyfriend and go out dancing after but it makes me crazy when I read about women who let their boyfriends abuse their children.

[Salem]

Idaho - thanks for the update. The link worked just fine for me. I got teary-eyed reading that big sister Amanda is getting therapy, taking swimming lessons and is now playing like a normal 6-year old. Poor baby.

It will be a long road for Kyra, but it looks like she is going to make it and it sounds like Grandma Wine and dad have got her covered. Grandma seems to be spending a lot of time at the hospital with her, thank goodness.

And Tricia - I don't think it is irrational to rage at the mom in this situation! Mom needs to be held accountable. She put her daughters in a very dangerous position, could see what was happening, probably contributed to what was happening, and did nothing to help her children. I could throw the switch on her too!

Salem

[Spazkat9696]

I'm glad she's doing better. Now not to be funny but can you walk with out your toes? I thought your pinky toe was vital to your ability to walk.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm glad she's doing better. Now not to be funny but can you walk with out your toes? I thought your pinky toe was vital to your ability to walk.
Actually it's you big toe that does most of the work.

She will learn to walk without her toes, and probably have a customized shoe made with toe inserts. She's very young and will learn in time to adjust to walking, although it may take some time.

[Salem]

She will probably become the star of the softball team!

Salem

[Idaho4Groenes]

Change made at H&W office

At least one Health and Welfare employee was fired in the wake of an investigation into a local child abuse case.

Sources who didn’t want to be identified said that a Child Protective Services worker is on a leave of absence from the St. Maries office following the Kyra Wine incident.

The worker isn’t expected to return.

[snip]

A St. Maries fire fundraiser last week raised $5,500 toward health care needs for Kyra and her sister Amanda.

Another fundraiser is set for the St. Maries Elks this weekend.

More: http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/07/23/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=c8bcfa2c6d18ed9d9f1df222fbca79 08984c983491846699ef46d8fade448d75127e356d2967fb68 a05323af0a4b5463cefcd118532319989700c8bb377b800d12 9a3b888585f3ca33bd99ce175eca1e6bead55cc4d7eb9da23a 0a4b1046939e83c258dc3a03718a9e63ec8be1a923e30cbebc 018163c0c715d3a273519e7cdd6b7cd38578acf09a3663ff70 050c9067f496ca957926d31a13900774534f57ddfba705b9ca 93428938409085d3e21a7e566015e174acd67f1b3d71d8ee1b dc589b5b7bf9650a2fc355293f6cf4a09e1d3409e187dc988c 6e7f31ebb6c2366dc5b9f7f71261ddb6da72e316a5ccd05b3a 34cc8fc0774b4c9841cb181b2cf71407

[Salem]

Change made at H&W office

At least one Health and Welfare employee was fired in the wake of an investigation into a local child abuse case.

Sources who didn’t want to be identified said that a Child Protective Services worker is on a leave of absence from the St. Maries office following the Kyra Wine incident.

The worker isn’t expected to return.

[snip]

A St. Maries fire fundraiser last week raised $5,500 toward health care needs for Kyra and her sister Amanda.

Another fundraiser is set for the St. Maries Elks this weekend.

More: http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/07/23/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=c8bcfa2c6d18ed9d9f1df222fbca79 08984c983491846699ef46d8fade448d75127e356d2967fb68 a05323af0a4b5463cefcd118532319989700c8bb377b800d12 9a3b888585f3ca33bd99ce175eca1e6bead55cc4d7eb9da23a 0a4b1046939e83c258dc3a03718a9e63ec8be1a923e30cbebc 018163c0c715d3a273519e7cdd6b7cd38578acf09a3663ff70 050c9067f496ca957926d31a13900774534f57ddfba705b9ca 93428938409085d3e21a7e566015e174acd67f1b3d71d8ee1b dc589b5b7bf9650a2fc355293f6cf4a09e1d3409e187dc988c 6e7f31ebb6c2366dc5b9f7f71261ddb6da72e316a5ccd05b3a 34cc8fc0774b4c9841cb181b2cf71407

Well the article tried to excuse the behavior of the H&W agency and the Board could find no "fault" but whatever..... at least someone is getting fired, no matter what they say publicly.

Thanks Idaho for the update.

And bless all those fundraisers. I'm sending prayers that they make a lot of money.

Salem

[Idaho4Groenes]

I agree about the article, Salem. They tried to play it off as not being connected, but whatever.

My dad was at the fundraiser this past weekend. He said that there was so many people there it was unbelieveable. It was a spaghetti feed that started at 5:00. He said that when he first arrived at about 5:15, it was already full with no place to sit. There was so many people that he waited in line at least 45-60 mintues before he even got food. By the time he left, the line was still just as long as it was when he first got there. That is one thing about St. Maries. There may be a lot of crap that goes on, but when someone needs help, people step up big time. I'll get a number on the amount raised as soon as I can. :)

[Tricia]

I agree about the article, Salem. They tried to play it off as not being connected, but whatever.

My dad was at the fundraiser this past weekend. He said that there was so many people there it was unbelieveable. It was a spaghetti feed that started at 5:00. He said that when he first arrived at about 5:15, it was already full with no place to sit. There was so many people that he waited in line at least 45-60 mintues before he even got food. By the time he left, the line was still just as long as it was when he first got there. That is one thing about St. Maries. There may be a lot of crap that goes on, but when someone needs help, people step up big time. I'll get a number on the amount raised as soon as I can. :)

Thank you very much Idaho4Groenes. It is wonderful and so helpful to have a WS member right there on the "scene" as they say.

I appreicate your updates. This case is too important to fade away until justice is served.

[believe09]

Tell your dad Thank you for me Idaho-this case has been KILLING me. If your dad can think of anything that the little girls might need and can come up with a place to send it, I would be delighted to send some treats on behalf of my three cuties who will never ever know this kind of pain....

[Salem]

I agree about the article, Salem. They tried to play it off as not being connected, but whatever.

My dad was at the fundraiser this past weekend. He said that there was so many people there it was unbelieveable. There may be a lot of crap that goes on, but when someone needs help, people step up big time. I'll get a number on the amount raised as soon as I can. :)

Respectfully snipped for space.

Idaho - give you dad a hug for me and let him and anyone he cares to share with, know that there are many of us out here in cyberland that support him and the community in their efforts to help these young girls.

Salem

PS - Believe - you have a great heart!

[Liz]

http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/07/23/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=c8bcfa2c6d18ed9d9f1df222fbca79 08984c983491846699ef46d8fade448d75127e356d2967fb68 a05323af0a4b5463cefcd118532319989700c8bb377b800d12 9a3b888585f3ca33bd99ce175eca1e6bead55cc4d7eb9da23a 0a4b1046939e83c258dc3a03718a9e63ec8be1a923e30cbebc 018163c0c715d3a273519e7cdd6b7cd38578acf09a3663ff70 050c9067f496ca957926d31a13900774534f57ddfba705b9ca 93428938409085d3e21a7e566015e174acd67f1b3d71d8ee1b dc589b5b7bf9650a2fc355293f6cf4a09e1d3409e187dc988c 6e7f31ebb6c2366dc5b9f7f71261ddb6da72e316a5ccd05b3a 34cc8fc0774b4c9841cb181b2cf71407

Thanks for the link, I4G. My heart just breaks for Kyra and her sister. I cried when I read that part of Kyra's foot has had to be removed. It's unbelievable to me that a mother could ever allow this type of physical deterioration in her child to go without medical care. I feel almost certain that if someone hadn't stepped up and reported this to police, Kyra wouldn't be with us today.

I'm grateful to all in the community that have stepped up to help. These girls are going to need professional counseling, for awhile, I'm guessing. I think the State of Idaho ought to step and cover those expenses --- it seems like it's the least they can do, afterall.

Do you know if Kyra is still hospitalized?

[Liz]

Found an update on charges against the two perps that I don't believe has been posted.

St. Maries couple face additional abuse charges
Updated: July 16, 2008 03:57 PM PDT

St. Maries, Id. -- The St. Maries couple charged with severely abusing their 3-year-old toddler will face additional charges.

The girl's mother, 26-year-old Christina Haynes, and her mother's boyfriend, 29-year-old Charles William Smith, initially faced charges of felony injury of a child

Haynes and Smith now face two counts each of aggravated battery and injury to a child.

More at link:
http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8686753

Bear in mind, that the article is from the 16th of July.

ETA: I just went to the St. Maries Gazette Record (http://www.gazetterecord.com/) and see on the front page that this piece of work of a so-called mother, Chrisina Haynes, has been released from jail. (I'm not able to read the article as I'm not a subscriber but I'll see what I can find elsewhere.)

[Idaho4Groenes]

Damn, I'm not at my dad's so I don't have our Gazette Record subscription password. I'll have him email it to me and hopefully be able to get that article up by tomorrow.

Also, thank you Tricia, Believe, Salem, and Liz for your kind thoughts and words. Believe, I'm not sure about an address to send things to them personally, but I will look around and see what I can find. I know there is a bank account for monetary donations, which might already be posted here, but if it's not I'll get more info on that too.

[Salem]

Liz & Idaho - Thank you for keeping us updated. Idaho - I can't wait to see that article. How the heck did she get out? Who posted her bail? Or is she blaming everything on her POS boyfriend? Boyfriend is nooooooo excuse - she could she what was happening and I'm sure she helped!!!

I'm furious!

Salem

[Idaho4Groenes]

Finally got the passwords. Here is the article. Boy is it a good read. :rolleyes: I hope what Mr Payne said was just to get the judge to rethink letting her out. All other reports have said Kyra is doing well.


Haynes gets release from jail

A woman accused of severely abusing her three-year-old daughter, Kyra, will be released from the Benewah County Jail as soon as her bond issues are resolved.

Despite arguments from the prosecutor to keep Christina Haynes incarcerated, Judge Pat McFadden accepted a request by her attorney to use $75,000 in real property in lieu of the $200,000 bail he set last month.

At a Monday hearing defense attorney Dave Rogers said he wanted to ask the court to release Haynes on her own recognizance because she wasn’t a flight risk.

Instead Haynes’ grandmother offered her property to ensure that her granddaughter wouldn’t flee if she was released from jail where she has been since mid-June.


“She has no prior record, she no longer has a home, she no longer has a job,” said Mr. Rogers. “I would like her to see a doctor.”

He said the woman would live in Post Falls with her mother and stepfather. Both are certified foster parents.

[snip]

Mr. Payne (prosecuting attorney) said he met with physicians who said the three-year old is being prescribed methadone and is still “suffering miserably.”

“She still has open wounds five or six weeks later, she’s had multiple amputation surgeries,” he said. “It’s as serious a child abuse case as I have seen in my career.”

More: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/07/30/news/news04.txt?sessinfo=75d5e68093c76ce6d1fb1a3077ee1f 3e5284d2893e53e3436b36c3e05882611d7133ecdd2aa904fe d0c8682b43e9160f2e473f2ec83089bf81d35d848deb24e59b 827e6115902780311e20fbca531a95181a66e3e223f1f4873d bca26172f87be25908af6c2f266a58546deda3ea016b82cbd5 147f98a6c47e37c6e130405e060902806d62e992975e5638f4 9974bb7b3a6679ddda23e11ebf87340bfe8658387c028cc305 4942abcde3d157b82066abe629ad0b59f1584f73213cd7328f 74753bd4f454dec89de524bd9adcffc5c88b196d909eb21a5b ef8f9d52d0f0750b3796165749b161cf38c70686c685afe94a 3ffc27c04ea3177a69f7afcd4dea41be

[Salem]

Wow! Are they giving Kyra methadone because these POSs were shooting her up? I have never heard of methadone being used as a pain killer, only as a way to get some one off meth and/or heroin.

What does this mean? Were they shooting her up with heroin so that they could continue to abuse her and she would not cry? UGHGGHGHGHGHGHGH

I have to tell you, if I met this woman on the street, I would go to jail. There is no way I would be able to keep my mouth shut, and given that I am not really a quiet person to begin with, anyone else on that street would hear whatever I said.

Salem

[Tom'sGirl]

Wow! Are they giving Kyra methadone because these POSs were shooting her up?
FOR PAIN.........

Methadone is a synthetic opioid with potent analgesic effects. Although it is associated commonly with the treatment of opioid addiction, it may be prescribed by licensed family physicians for analgesia.

Methadone's unique pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics make it a valuable option in the management of cancer pain and other chronic pain, including neuropathic pain states. It may be an appropriate replacement for opioids when side effects have limited further dosage escalation. Metabolism of and response to methadone varies with each patient.

http://www.aafp.org/afp/20050401/1353.html (http://www.aafp.org/afp/20050401/1353.html)

[Salem]

Thank you Tom's Girl! I did not know this. I appreciate your clarification. I thought maybe the evil parents were giving her drugs on top of everything else.

Salem

[Liz]

Just heard on KXLY that Haynes did get released due to her grandmother putting her property up! I can't believe they would even consider allowing Haynes to stay at her mom and step-fathers --- IF they are foster parenting at this time! :mad:

Thanks for the article update, I4G! Will post more tomorrow. Too tired tonight.

[Tricia]

Wow! Are they giving Kyra methadone because these POSs were shooting her up? I have never heard of methadone being used as a pain killer, only as a way to get some one off meth and/or heroin.

What does this mean? Were they shooting her up with heroin so that they could continue to abuse her and she would not cry? UGHGGHGHGHGHGHGH

I have to tell you, if I met this woman on the street, I would go to jail. There is no way I would be able to keep my mouth shut, and given that I am not really a quiet person to begin with, anyone else on that street would hear whatever I said.

Salem

Methadone is used as a pain killer in extreme cases. Meaning extreme pain. This is so tragic.

[wildTrose]

if mom and step dad are foster parents they need their license taken away then for not reporting the condition of that child! and why are they letting this child abuser anywhere near other children?
i bet grandmaw ends up losing her property.....

[hipmamajen]

Yeah, sometimes they give methadone for migraines. :(

[Liz]

if mom and step dad are foster parents they need their license taken away then for not reporting the condition of that child! and why are they letting this child abuser anywhere near other children?
i bet grandmaw ends up losing her property.....

I don't understand why you would think Christina's mom and step-father should have their foster care licenses taken away, because of Christina's negligence. I just don't get that.

BUT, I sure hope and pray they are not currently fostering any children, while Christina is living with them. I think that would be a huge mistake!

[wildTrose]

I don't understand why you would think Christina's mom and step-father should have their foster care licenses taken away, because of Christina's negligence. I just don't get that.

BUT, I sure hope and pray they are not currently fostering any children at this time, while Christina is living with them. I think that would be a huge mistake!
Because they failed their grandchild by not reporting what was going on with her...unless they live hours away and did not see their granddaughter but a couple times a year

[Liz]

Because they failed their grandchild by not reporting what was going on with her...unless they live hours away and did not see their granddaughter but a couple times a year

I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I highly doubt most grandparents would turn their head(s) to abuse of a grandchild; but especially not to that as horrific as Kyra's.

The grands live in Post Falls and the grandchildren lived in St. Maries. I'm guessing its a couple hours drive.

[Salem]

Methadone is used as a pain killer in extreme cases. Meaning extreme pain. This is so tragic.

Thanks Tricia. This just breaks my heart. That poor baby.

Salem

[Liz]

Spokane's KXLY report about Haynes release:

Kyra Wine's mother released from jail
Posted: July 31, 2008 08:05 PM PDT
Updated: July 31, 2008 08:07 PM PDT

ST. MARIES, Idaho - The mother accused in one of the worst cases of child abuse in the Inland Northwest is now out of jail.

Continued at link:
http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=8771316

The above report states that Christina's boyfriend, Charlie Smith, is being held on a $25,000 bond, which I'm sure is incorrect. I'm almost positive he's being held on a quarter million dollar bond.

IIRC, I read 'somewhere' that Charlie Smith's court date is Sept 12th.

Also, according to KXLY, Kyra is still hospitalized. (Gee, I wonder if mommy dearest is allowed to visit Kyra????)

[Tom'sGirl]

The above report states that Christina's boyfriend, Charlie Smith, is being held on a $25,000 bond, which I'm sure is incorrect. I'm almost positive he's being held on a quarter million dollar bond.
You're right, it was an error since it was stated

Smith's bond was set at $250,000 and Haynes' bond was $200,000.

in article here http://www.krem.com/topstories/stories/krem2_061808_toddlerabuse.16c293bb.html

[Liz]

I saw a bit of an update last week on KXLY but was unable to find anything on their website about it.

Little Kyra is still hospitalized and her mom is prohibited from visiting her (thank goodness). A couple of Christina's former neighbors were seeking to get "Orders of Protection", from Christina Haynes. I gathered that was due to their fear of retaliation for calling LE to do a wellness check on Kyra. The judge denied those requests.

What I thought was strange is that Christina has been ordered to live with her parents, in Post Falls, ID. Her former neighbors live in St. Maries, which is a considerable distance away.

Maybe Idaho4Groene's will have a better update for us, soon.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Hey everyone. I am hoping to get more information when our local paper comes out again on Wednesday. I will pass on whatever I find out from there. Also, just to clarify, Post Falls is only about an hour away from St. Maries.

[believe09]

Kyra undoubtedly has neuropathic pain from her amputations and injuries. For the judge not to grant the Orders of Protection is sad-those people tried to get the children help in a dangerous situation.

In terms of the foster parenting, I would think that Kyra's mom was a danger to children. Period. If they are actively fostering children, I think there is an issue there.

[redmamatwo]

I just heard about this. I can't believe that poor baby had to endure that kind of torture and now to lose parts of her own body. I sincerely hope these people get some serious time, I assume you can't get the death penalty for this right? Too bad.

[believe09]

I just heard about this. I can't believe that poor baby had to endure that kind of torture and now to lose parts of her own body. I sincerely hope these people get some serious time, I assume you can't get the death penalty for this right? Too bad.

I mean, bio mom is out on bond...this is the part that kills me.

[Liz]

Hey everyone. I am hoping to get more information when our local paper comes out again on Wednesday. I will pass on whatever I find out from there. Also, just to clarify, Post Falls is only about an hour away from St. Maries.

Thanks, I4G! I am about an hour from St. Maries but have never been to Post Falls. Appreciate any & all info you can provide, Idaho!

Kyra undoubtedly has neuropathic pain from her amputations and injuries. For the judge not to grant the Orders of Protection is sad-those people tried to get the children help in a dangerous situation.

In terms of the foster parenting, I would think that Kyra's mom was a danger to children. Period. If they are actively fostering children, I think there is an issue there.

Thinking of what Kyra's had to endure is just heartbreaking & I'm sure we are not privy to the full extent of her injuries.

I agree about the Orders of Protection. I mean, what could it hurt? Thank God for neighbors like this, because one neighbor is the reason Kyra is alive today!

I hope Christina's parents are not currently fostering any children. IMO, that would be a crime.

I mean, bio mom is out on bond...this is the part that kills me.

You know, that is the way our justice system works. Her bond was quite high. I hope her poor grandmother doesn't end up losing her house that she put up, so Christina could be freed!

[Idaho4Groenes]

For some reason I'm not being allowed to access the online version of the Gazette Record today. I will post the article as soon as I can, but for now I will just summarzie from the actual paper. Not much new info, but here it is.

Smith asks judge to dismiss second felony. Charles Smith is the boyfriend. He was charged with felony child abuse, but then a second charge of felony battery was added several weeks later. The motion to drop the second charge will be heard in a hearing on the 15th. Smith's preliminary hearing is set for September 12, and he, unlike Christina Haynes, is still in Benewah County Jail on $250,000 bond.

[believe09]

For some reason I'm not being allowed to access the online version of the Gazette Record today. I will post the article as soon as I can, but for now I will just summarzie from the actual paper. Not much new info, but here it is.

Smith asks judge to dismiss second felony. Charles Smith is the boyfriend. He was charged with felony child abuse, but then a second charge of felony battery was added several weeks later. The motion to drop the second charge will be heard in a hearing on the 15th. Smith's preliminary hearing is set for September 12, and he, unlike Christina Haynes, is still in Benewah County Jail on $250,000 bond.

There was no sexual battery charge? Now that surprises me. I thought she had been attacked in that way as well....regardless, he is due both sets of charges, but I wonder if he will plead guilty if the second is dropped-we have seen the value of children in this country-it is a toss up if felony child abuse will carry true punishment with it.

[Liz]

<snipped>
Smith asks judge to dismiss second felony. Charles Smith is the boyfriend. He was charged with felony child abuse, but then a second charge of felony battery was added several weeks later. The motion to drop the second charge will be heard in a hearing on the 15th. Smith's preliminary hearing is set for September 12, and he, unlike Christina Haynes, is still in Benewah County Jail on $250,000 bond.


Thanks for the update, I4G! I've been searching all over and listening to local news because I'd heard that Smith was supposed to be back in court today, but I've come up with nada!

[Idaho4Groenes]

I'm kind of surprised there's been nothing that I've seen either on local news. And unfortunately, our local newspaper only comes out once a week on Wednesdays. Hopefully they will say something then at least.

[Openmind]

It was postponded until 9/12. This article was in the SR this afternoon.

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/tools/story_breakingnews_pf.asp?ID=16176

[Idaho4Groenes]

Thanks Openmind! Guess I didn't read the paper very thoroughly this morning. :crazy:

[Openmind]

Happens to me all the time. I had just seen it on SR.

[Idaho4Groenes]

New article in the Gazette Record today. Not really any new info though. As you will see, it is customary for my paper to print 90% similar stories for weeks in a row. :rolleyes:

Hearing re-set for Sept. 12
A Hells Gulch man accused of seriously injuring a three-year-old child had his court appearance postponed again last week

Since Charles W. Smith, 29, was arrested more than two months ago and accused of causing extensive injuries to Kyra Wine, his live-in girlfriend's daughter, Smith's attorney has continued to delay his court appearances.

He is now scheduled to appear Sept. 12 to felony charges of injury to a child and aggravated battery.

Smith's attorney William Butler said he plans to ask a judge to drop the aggravated battery charge at the preliminary hearing.


He currently sits in the Benewah County jail on $250,000 bond.

More at link, but its just repeat info: http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/08/20/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=c881d884573e5e1d7f4a4e93714506 156ceeabdb1eb2f804c9424617b0b284320292dc42cfaec7c3 48d3b8094881519762021461499c4bb6411a1615b8dcd0c66e 9eab7ad218455e6d2f560904acadfb558999ed50a8c18d3148 a5856e63c097b0dedb04507c210def00fcf9fd0a2195e54b47 5d20860369ea2ac9b8c10cabfc52299cda5c638e75f784e44a ef46dc65712046f4208b8c058d849c8e068c752550025041a3 46a71b469d77e06acfab4a3e474aa4c92fbf13e89925d68767 a8f1b46e5480760bac36eff0e67d0475c53903443910c50507 7e8a57cb2a86f8891e4286bb0708a1c2a11d21b59ecc27d289 a8363a321707e18eac5b5d7377023910

[believe09]

New article in the Gazette Record today. Not really any new info though. As you will see, it is customary for my paper to print 90% similar stories for weeks in a row. :rolleyes:
Hearing re-set for Sept. 12
A Hells Gulch man accused of seriously injuring a three-year-old child had his court appearance postponed again last week

Since Charles W. Smith, 29, was arrested more than two months ago and accused of causing extensive injuries to Kyra Wine, his live-in girlfriend's daughter, Smith's attorney has continued to delay his court appearances.

He is now scheduled to appear Sept. 12 to felony charges of injury to a child and aggravated battery.

Smith's attorney William Butler said he plans to ask a judge to drop the aggravated battery charge at the preliminary hearing.


He currently sits in the Benewah County jail on $250,000 bond.

More at link, but its just repeat info: http://gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/08/20/news/news01.txt?sessinfo=c881d884573e5e1d7f4a4e93714506 156ceeabdb1eb2f804c9424617b0b284320292dc42cfaec7c3 48d3b8094881519762021461499c4bb6411a1615b8dcd0c66e 9eab7ad218455e6d2f560904acadfb558999ed50a8c18d3148 a5856e63c097b0dedb04507c210def00fcf9fd0a2195e54b47 5d20860369ea2ac9b8c10cabfc52299cda5c638e75f784e44a ef46dc65712046f4208b8c058d849c8e068c752550025041a3 46a71b469d77e06acfab4a3e474aa4c92fbf13e89925d68767 a8f1b46e5480760bac36eff0e67d0475c53903443910c50507 7e8a57cb2a86f8891e4286bb0708a1c2a11d21b59ecc27d289 a8363a321707e18eac5b5d7377023910

Thanks, I-no offense but the article is a little underwhelming by characterizing the brutalization of this child as "a man accused of seriously injuring..." that could be breaking her arm-not torturing her in some way that caused her to lose digits and chunks of flesh, not to mention hair.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Experts hired for Haynes

A judge granted a request for the county to pay for expert witnesses in the Kyra Haynes child abuse case.

In an order that again postponed the preliminary hearing of Christina L. Haynes and Charles Smith, Magistrate Pat McFadden last week granted a request that $1,500 be set aside for the defense.

Public defender Dave Rogers, who represents Haynes, asked the court for the money last week.

“I would like to be able to shed some light on how this case came to be,” he said.


More at link: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/08/27/news/news02.txt?sessinfo=df8e594a413d5f1d45a1e5985955a4 393f486bd5d75254f5b781a62c4a0a988239029932ab75148f d39ccb7337c61e01191243ad29dbb2d4ca24d7cc01885f14e4 63217924c0f84c63f12b3087eed69d0e26393e5f10c676c113 cc55a889e27bf6855da9a15e075ce80b54ffc48907b7eee286 cb530aac0b2a75036ad34122b70bf856d7a3b46f4e2e994dd4 4ddaebd926a272ebd9fd1c7e39d84a2c296f8c04b4088c26e6 9db473667307c7c7cf9aedaa129f0237fbd790b01cb21cd033 7d36fe401552112c012a919b892a2224de95c5ca8a797e931f 20d19363ffd9e314022e8b3d8df37fd349d78838bcf884ca57 8479211f0ac8f49ff963a21c883ed290

Not a clue what these experts are going to be looking into. For one, I don't care "how this case came to be", if they're talking about why "mom" and "stepdad" abused poor Kyra.

[Liz]

Snippets from:
Plea deal offered in horrific abuse case
08:20 PM PDT on Wednesday, September 24, 2008

26-year-old Christina Haynes is charged with aggravated battery and felony injury to a child. Her daugher, Kyra Wine, spent nearly three months in the hospital recovering from repeated abuse.

As part of the deal on the table, Haynes would plead guilty to injury to a child and testify against her boyfriend, 29-year-old Charles Smith. Haynes could face ten years in prison. However, Benewah Co. Prosecutor Doug Payne tells KREM 2 News he would recommend the judge suspend five years of that sentence.

more:
http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/idaho/stories/NW_092408IDN_kyra_abuse_plea_deal_TP.ac29599c.html

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

IMO, "Momster" doesn't deserve any deal! :mad:

[teonspaleprincess]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone that has been keeping us updated. This is one of those cases that stick with you.

[Liz]

Healing - 1 Day at a Time
By Ralph Bartholdt
Published: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:36 AM PDT

Kyra Wine will be fitted with prosthetics in the next few weeks.

In the meantime the three-year-old must learn to put weight on her stubs.

“That’s what they call them,” said her grandmother Deanna, an EMT and the head of the local ambulance service.

The “stubs” are what remains of Kyra’s feet. Surgeons at Sacred Heart Medical Center amputated most of the toddler’s feet in June to remove dead flesh authorities say Kyra suffered as a result of abuse inflicted by her mother and mother’s boyfriend at their Hells Gulch home.

more:
http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/10/01/news/week39-news02.txt

I noticed in the previous posted article, it stated that Kyra now lives with her father. But this local article states that the girls live with their grandparents.
Unless maybe their Dad lives with his parents?

[Liz]

Just wanted to say thank you to everyone that has been keeping us updated. This is one of those cases that stick with you.

It sure has stuck with me. It is sooo sad. Yet Kyra is sooo lucky to be alive. Thank God for that person that called the police for a wellness check on her!

[jnTexas]

They thought the dead skin on the toddler’s hands, feet and buttocks were freezer burns. The child may have been put in a freezer as a disciplinary measure. Investigators considered that too, said Benewah County Sheriff Robert Kirts. “It was one of the possibilities we discussed because of the condition of her feet,” Sheriff Kirts said. Officers have since ruled it out. “We don’t think so,” he said. Dehydration seemed a more likely cause of the deadening of the extremities Haynes and Smith told deputies they weren’t sure how the injuries occurred. According to a deputy report, the couple seemed indifferent of the toddler’s condition. Smith’s preliminary hearing is scheduled June 30 at 1:30 p.m. A hearing date for Haynes is pending. The case is under investigation. In addition to the dead flesh on her extremities, Kyra suffered injuries elsewhere on her body. “She had wounds here and there,” said her grandmother. “Those are healing up really well.” Doctors are monitoring the remaining digits for signs of healing. More surgeries could follow. “We don’t know what’s going to happen,” said Mrs. Wine. “We don’t know what may come up.” She said the family has a benefit fund at the St. Joe Credit Union for Kyra’s future medical issues. “It’s for those things that Kyra will need, that Medicaid won’t pay for,” she said.

i think CPS should be held liable for all the expenses that need to be paid for.

[Liz]

Pleas entered in Kyra Wine abuse case
Posted: Oct 17, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
Updated: Oct 17, 2008 05:49 PM PDT

Snippets from article:

Christina Haynes and her boyfriend Charles William Smith are charged with abusing Christina's three-year-old daughter Kyra Wine earlier this year.

Charles Smith pleaded not guilty to the charges. After Smith entered his plea Christina Haynes tried to plead guilty to injury to a child. Benewah County Prosecutor Douglas Payne said her attempt to enter a guilty plea was something you don't normally see under these circumstances.

Attorneys want a mental evaluation and so her plea was not accepted and her arraignment was continued until mid-November.

Back in June Kyra Wine was taken from her home and flown to Sacred Heart Medical Center for emergency surgery. At the time doctors gave her a 50-50 chance of survival with injuries ranging from bruising all over her body to dead flesh on her hands and feet which required doctors to amputate most of her feet.

Outside the courtroom Friday morning, Kyra's family members said Kyra is doing much better, but still needs to be fitted with prosthetics for her feet. A fundraiser has been planned for October 25th to raise money to help with medical bills.

Full article here:
http://www.kxly.com/Global/story.asp?S=9196137&nav=menu683_2

[Chezhire]

I am praying for this baby - thank god for the folks who finally got through to someone about her condition. I am at a loss for words at what this child had to go through. I just put my 2 1/5 year old daughter to bed and I cannot IMAGINE EVER LETTING ANYONE like this near her EVER. The mother certainly has her time coming with her maker.

[BeavisMom62]

They were either dragging her or holding her by her hair-that is how her scalp was pulled up and away from her skull. I am betting the turkey baster and the cup had her bowls or bladder...did any of you read Sybil?

This case leaves me speechless, almost hollow. Who are these women that are so weak they let these men destroy their children? I don't get it....
OMG, you're right Believe. I remember that part of Sybil well. I was young when I first saw that movie and it made me cry. How sick! And why are they charged with felony injury to a child? It sure sounds like attempted murder/manslaughter to me!! :furious:

[BeavisMom62]

Just heard on KXLY that Haynes did get released due to her grandmother putting her property up! I can't believe they would even consider allowing Haynes to stay at her mom and step-fathers --- IF they are foster parenting at this time! :mad:

Thanks for the article update, I4G! Will post more tomorrow. Too tired tonight.

FOSTER PARENTS?!?:mad: Then where the h*ll where they? If the monster is staying with them, does that mean they are close by?!? If they are close by, did they not see the child? I understand monster's way of thinking about not allowing the paternal grandparents to see the girl, but did she also not allow her own parents to see her? I would have thought that CERTIFIED foster parents would have seen something. GGGrrrrrrr....:furious:

[BeavisMom62]

Any more updates Idaho? Does anyone know the answer to the question about where the bio father is? Does he live with his parents? If not, why doesn't he have the children? Nothing against the Gparents at all, they certainly sound loving and stable. Thank God. Any more news about the pleas? I can't believe they wouldn't accept momsters guilty plea! How ridiculous! I still think they should be charged with attempted murder.

[believe09]

I want so badly to do something for this little angel, but what could possibly be fitting as long as she never, ever, ever knows another day of pain and suffering again? I mean, I wish I could make a deal with God because she should be done...:(

[Idaho4Groenes]

Sorry I haven't been staying updated with this lately. I just looked though, and Kyra is home with her grandparents. Picture of her at the link below. This is a cool article about healing and a lot of info about Kyra and how she is living now. Healing - One day at a time (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news02.txt)

Another dinner benefit is planned for Kyra. Hoping to raise $4,000. Story here (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/10/15/news/news03.txt?sessinfo=0b46f6fa58ed502f63fdb8edcb260b aa94d60e202bdd6d20b8df9b120c5eb7bdf9d151371e19d26f 4f78fc90a35a162b85a2a45a18b6a6b0ebad83986b1e7c49da 5062088d95787aac7be24b61170676b506f15607d65e24fa8d 75ba80a0faf9924522b087f19fde7524031074ace111c964fd d289fc43ac0647a909649795664ae65d67f9aaeb7d82304d0d 5f35b7b66e2dfd1c03176bf2617b5d67dbdf6b0ba4e35df477 286d1c65563ad3d1190d362a57275a5d899342aa27c2a9682a 1073b681d3c394ed97d5c2ac71da6e78c091e1b829a2df7a79 fde7a8f3f31ce0f71c9de379d8aa5553299f274bcfd39fce66 b4b138e2615a83e13134d4ea4c90362b).

Local article about the plea deal here (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news01.txt).

[CaliKid]

Idaho, can you tell us why Kyra isn't with her father?

[Idaho4Groenes]

Idaho, can you tell us why Kyra isn't with her father?

Sorry, I'm not sure. I haven't heard much about him at all. I'll see if I can find out anything though.

[mykidsmom1119]

THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY! I just can't wrap my brain around who would do this. How can a mother let this happen? OMG! I'm so upset.

[BeavisMom62]

THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY! I just can't wrap my brain around who would do this. How can a mother let this happen? OMG! I'm so upset.

I second that MKM! Some people do not deserve the life given to them. :mad:

[CaliKid]

Sorry, I'm not sure. I haven't heard much about him at all. I'll see if I can find out anything though.

Thanks. I hope Kyra is recovering from her abuse. What an awful ordeal to begin your life with.

[SewingDeb]

Child abuse plea deal on hold

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/idaho/stories/NW_101808IDN_child_abuse_plea_KS.1265c13bf.html

[believe09]

The first thing that struck me when I finally saw a picture of the child's mother was , HUh, that is some long beautiful hair she has...wonder if she has ever been dragged around by it? Could she possibly know how it feels to be tortured like that not to mention the rest of what was done to angel girl. I dread the trial in a way because if she took a plea, then she is going to testify to what was actually done, and I will be compelled to read it because I am going to want to understand how the child came to lose chunks of her body. There is no equivalent justice for this mother who will serve 5 years or so and the boyfriend who is looking at aggravated battery which might be what, 15 years if the judge is tough?

Sorry all.

[ginzy]

people like that make me sick. they looked like tweekers to me too.

[Liz]

Sorry I haven't been staying updated with this lately. I just looked though, and Kyra is home with her grandparents. Picture of her at the link below. This is a cool article about healing and a lot of info about Kyra and how she is living now. Healing - One day at a time (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news02.txt)

Another dinner benefit is planned for Kyra. Hoping to raise $4,000. Story here (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/10/15/news/news03.txt?sessinfo=0b46f6fa58ed502f63fdb8edcb260b aa94d60e202bdd6d20b8df9b120c5eb7bdf9d151371e19d26f 4f78fc90a35a162b85a2a45a18b6a6b0ebad83986b1e7c49da 5062088d95787aac7be24b61170676b506f15607d65e24fa8d 75ba80a0faf9924522b087f19fde7524031074ace111c964fd d289fc43ac0647a909649795664ae65d67f9aaeb7d82304d0d 5f35b7b66e2dfd1c03176bf2617b5d67dbdf6b0ba4e35df477 286d1c65563ad3d1190d362a57275a5d899342aa27c2a9682a 1073b681d3c394ed97d5c2ac71da6e78c091e1b829a2df7a79 fde7a8f3f31ce0f71c9de379d8aa5553299f274bcfd39fce66 b4b138e2615a83e13134d4ea4c90362b).

Local article about the plea deal here (http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2008/09/24/news/news01.txt).

Thanks, Idaho!

Thought it was odd that the article at the 2nd link, about the benefit dinner, fails to provide the date.

When I read the story at the 3rd link, I was asking myself where I'd heard the name of Judge Fred Gibler before. I asked myself this previously and thought it must be the Duncan trial. Sure enough, Judge Gibler presided over the horrific triple murder case in Coeur d'Alene. Remembering Brenda and Slade Groene, as well as Mark McKenzie. May they never be forgotten.

Thank goodness this little angel Kyra did survive. Thanks to a caring and concerned neighbor! God bless her, for that!

The first link requires a subscription to read, so I'm hoping you'll consider filling us in, when you get a chance.

Kyra's is one of the cases that I just cannot seem to get out of my mind.

ETA I found the date for the fundraiser - October 25th.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Girl’s abuser gets 10-year sentence

Despite a call for leniency by the defense, and a recommendation for an eight-year fixed prison sentence by the prosecutor, 1st District Judge Fred Gibler on Friday sentenced Smith to the maximum allowed in Idaho for felony injury to a child.

Calling the 10-year ceiling for the felony “unfortunate,” Gibler said he was bound to the law.

“It could be seen as lenient,” he said, adding, “I think the possibility of parole would be improper in this case.”

More: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/mar/14/girls-abuser-gets-10-year-sentence/

[Lovejac]

OMG :eek:!

http://www.myspace.com/tattooloves269

This guy was logged in to his MySpace on 3/18/09, mood listed as calm WTF!

Says, I pray for everyone!!

[Salem]

Girl’s abuser gets 10-year sentence

Despite a call for leniency by the defense, and a recommendation for an eight-year fixed prison sentence by the prosecutor, 1st District Judge Fred Gibler on Friday sentenced Smith to the maximum allowed in Idaho for felony injury to a child.

Calling the 10-year ceiling for the felony “unfortunate,” Gibler said he was bound to the law.

“It could be seen as lenient,” he said, adding, “I think the possibility of parole would be improper in this case.”

More: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/mar/14/girls-abuser-gets-10-year-sentence/

I'm glad the judge gave him the maximum he could get, with NO parole! Hope the POS mom gets the same. These guys were monsters!

Bless Kyra and may the angels stay with her and Amanda from here on out!

Salem

[teonspaleprincess]

I think the laws need to be changed. I know that the judge gave him all that he could, but that is in no way enough for the torture he put that poor baby through.

[passionflower]

THIS MAKES ME SO ANGRY! I just can't wrap my brain around who would do this. How can a mother let this happen? OMG! I'm so upset.

You and me also!:furious:
This baby is mamed forever!
I say freeze them for punishment and just walk away and forget them..........
eye for an eye.........

[InMyDreams]

You and me also!:furious:
This baby is mamed forever!
I say freeze them for punishment and just walk away and forget them..........
eye for an eye.........

yep... but do that after they get their toes and fingers amputated!

[believe09]

TG for no parole at least-this kills me because she will still be a minor when the perp is released....she should be allowed to spend the rest of her life without the specter of either perp on her horizon.

[Liz]

Girl’s abuser gets 10-year sentence

Despite a call for leniency by the defense, and a recommendation for an eight-year fixed prison sentence by the prosecutor, 1st District Judge Fred Gibler on Friday sentenced Smith to the maximum allowed in Idaho for felony injury to a child.

Calling the 10-year ceiling for the felony “unfortunate,” Gibler said he was bound to the law.

“It could be seen as lenient,” he said, adding, “I think the possibility of parole would be improper in this case.”

More: http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/mar/14/girls-abuser-gets-10-year-sentence/


I just got caught up to speed on this case. Not sure if the link below is the same story as the one you posted. And then there's another one from Craig's List with someone who is very unhappy with the sentencing.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/mar/13/man-sentenced-10-years-abusing-kyra-wine/

http://spokane.craigslist.org/vnn/1077467501.html

May God bless both Kyra and Amanda, and keep them safe!

[Liz]

One of the stories posted on WS today made me think of little Kyra Wine, and wonder about the criminal disposition of her mother's momster's case. Several others were following this horrific case so I thought I'd update it. I found this:

Kyra Wine's mom faces 5 years in prison for abuse

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_051609IDN-kyra-wine-KS.c7c17bb.html

Basically, Christina Haynes pled guilty and would normally face a 10-yr prison sentence for her crime(s). But since she cooperated and took a plea deal, she may only end up serving five years.

She's scheduled to be sentenced on July 17th

[LotsaLatte]

OMG :eek:!

http://www.myspace.com/tattooloves269

This guy was logged in to his MySpace on 3/18/09, mood listed as calm WTF!

Says, I pray for everyone!!

And again on 07/12/2009 :furious:

[Liz]

And again on 07/12/2009 :furious:

That could be his girlfriend, Christina, the mothermomster of little Kyra, logging in to his myspace.

I just looked him up in the Idaho Dept of Corrections:

CHARLES WILLIAM SMITH #92201

Status:
Inmate

Date of Birth:
03/19/1979

Mailing Address:
IDAHO STATE CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION UNIT 14
P.O. Box 14
Boise Idaho 83707

Phone Number:
208-336-0740

IDOC Sentence Information

The sentence information shown is for active sentences under the jurisdiction, custody, and/or supervision of the Idaho Department of Correction only.

Offense
Sentencing County
Case No.
Sentence Satisfaction Date

INJURY TO A CHILD 18-1501 (1) BENEWAH CR08-785 06/16/2018


So it should be about another 8 years and 11 months before Charles is able to update his myspace.

If there is any new logging activity after tomorrow (the date 'momster, Christina Haynes, is 'supposed' to be sentenced), then we'll know it isn't/wasn't her logging into his myspace.

[Liz]

I was just looking up the court docket info, and it looks like Christina's sentencing date has been postponed a week, until 7/24.

Fred M. Gibler 07/24/2009 9:30 AM Sentencing CR-2008-0000784 Felony Christina Louise Haynes 001
Prosecutor: Payne, Douglas P - Defense Attorney: Rogers, David B
Charges:
I18-1501(3) {F} Children-injury To Child
I18-907 Battery-aggravated


She is going before the same judge that POS Joseph Duncan went before. I'm pretty sure her child-abusing b/f also went before the Honorable Judge Gibler, as well. He seems like a very good judge, imo.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Smith seeks lighter sentence

The attorney for the man who beat 3-year-old Kyra Wine filed a motion to have his client’s sentence reduced.

Charles W. Smith through his attorney, Will Butler, is asking the court to consider reducing his 10-year sentence, but paperwork filed June 29 doesn’t specify how much the sentence should be reduced.

The motion asks Judge Fred Gibler to consider Smith’s clean prison report as one of the steps to allowing a hearing to reduce the sentence.

More: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2009/07/15/news/week27-news01.txt?sessinfo=869d8e92bce018f6f14539146d636f 21c2f023b343db7d5345b7b293989136132433d21381cf25fc be484d6c13d5bd08ee131fa4416b4a8beeb809d6338ac23314 bb42797bd36d90e3f80c6e87a29c9cc87c12409a4986aa9c8d 650265709c3bc1ac963218cf93fc65eaa63b62ad0a196c452d ee0df4ac5897dc6d7a8a941949e9af1b03dc7630dddda0779d 3ca1f6034332d4e53afae561bb81f4484526a5bf7c8b6e952e 985be3969d11d8639a8b6f9e69f74a098f29ab1e4d2f162f02 9fd1ad786f19e68054b15e0d3a6680ffbb0cef3832ab4c7044 2795f0fb0ae262cf7ede7ed72e1d9d1353dbddd807d4bb16d5 26ffb210451984e2ccf8f76e4d0763da

[Disguiseduser0308]

Smith seeks lighter sentence

The attorney for the man who beat 3-year-old Kyra Wine filed a motion to have his client’s sentence reduced.

Charles W. Smith through his attorney, Will Butler, is asking the court to consider reducing his 10-year sentence, but paperwork filed June 29 doesn’t specify how much the sentence should be reduced.

The motion asks Judge Fred Gibler to consider Smith’s clean prison report as one of the steps to allowing a hearing to reduce the sentence.

More: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2009/07/15/news/week27-news01.txt?sessinfo=869d8e92bce018f6f14539146d636f 21c2f023b343db7d5345b7b293989136132433d21381cf25fc be484d6c13d5bd08ee131fa4416b4a8beeb809d6338ac23314 bb42797bd36d90e3f80c6e87a29c9cc87c12409a4986aa9c8d 650265709c3bc1ac963218cf93fc65eaa63b62ad0a196c452d ee0df4ac5897dc6d7a8a941949e9af1b03dc7630dddda0779d 3ca1f6034332d4e53afae561bb81f4484526a5bf7c8b6e952e 985be3969d11d8639a8b6f9e69f74a098f29ab1e4d2f162f02 9fd1ad786f19e68054b15e0d3a6680ffbb0cef3832ab4c7044 2795f0fb0ae262cf7ede7ed72e1d9d1353dbddd807d4bb16d5 26ffb210451984e2ccf8f76e4d0763da

This petition is infuriating. Is there anyway for little Kyra's pain and suffering to be reduced? Is it possible to reduce the loss of her extremities? :behindbar

To Smith: Do your time, you POS. Nothing about Kyra's life will ever be the same. How dare you and your attorney ask for a reduced sentence after what was done to her!

[believe09]

When he pled guilty why did he not have to make a full confession, or did he? IIRC, no one was clear on what had been done to her that caused the dead flesh...how can a shorter sentence even be considered unless he has confessed and shown remorse for her treatment?

I am not being salacious in looking for the detail-I think that the two of them need to be completely unmasked.

[Liz]

July 24, 2009
Girl’s mother gets 10 years in St. Maries abuse case

Testimony about Christina Haynes’ mental state didn’t sway a judge today from imposing a 10-year prison sentence on the St. Maries woman, whose child, Kyra Wine, almost died in one of the worst neglect cases in Benewah County.

Haynes’ mental-health issues didn’t excuse her from seeking medical help for her 3-year-old daughter, who was discovered by police at Haynes’ home last summer covered in scabs and feces, First District Judge Fred Gibler said.

The girl almost died as a result of injuries suffered at the hands of Haynes and her boyfriend Charles W. Smith, who Haynes met online and invited to live with her and her children at a farm north of St. Maries. Kyra’s feet were amputated and she lost a kidney, part of a finger and has patches on her head where hair won’t grow back. Judge Gibler said the 27-year-old Haynes probably wasn’t as culpable as Smith, who was sentenced earlier this spring to a maximum 10 years for child abuse.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/jul/24/girls-mother-gets-10-years-st-maries-abuse-case/

[LaLaw2000]

10 years is not enough, IMO.

[Liz]

10 years is not enough, IMO.

I agree, LaLaw. If you read the article, it sounds like she'll be out in five. The second five years is "indeterminate". I'm not positive what that means but it sounds to me like she might get out on "house arrest" or probation or something.

I disagree with Judge Gibler that she was not as culpable as Charles Smith. As Kyra's biological mother, imo, she's all the more culpable. But then of course, they brought in that she was 'allegedly' suffering from dissociation.
:rolleyes:

[LaLaw2000]

Yes, she will most likely be out in 5 years or even less. In most states 'good time' means you get 2 days off the sentence for every one day served if you are considered to be a good inmate and not have writeups, etc.

Also, you can get additional time off for any courses you take while incarcerated. Then the last 6 months of your sentence you can request to be sent to a halfway house.

However; in cases such as this, I think there should be no 'good time', etc.

Sad that 10 years never even really means 10 years. Not justice for Kyra, IMO.

[Liz]

Here's a link to Spokesman.com's "Huckleberries" column question/poll on today's sentencing.

Question: Should Kyra Wine’s mother have received the same sentence as her abusive boyfriend, Charles W. Smith?

http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/hbo/2009/jul/24/kyra-wines-mom-gets-10-years-too/

I'm thinking that there will be a lot of commentary added later.

[Liz]

Indeterminate sentences
Indeterminate sentencing is a system of sentencing in which a legislature establishes maximum and minimum terms for each crime and a judge makes a discretionary decision as to what the maximum and minimum sentences should be for each convicted offender. For those whose sentence is prison, a parole board determines the amount of time each inmate serves under correctional supervision.

The theory behind indeterminate-sentencing statutes is rehabili-tation—the sentence should meet the needs of the individual offender, and the offender should be locked up until there is evidence that he or she has been “cured.” In states with indeterminate sentencing, parole boards can release inmates once they have served the minimum part of their sentences. Good-time laws further reduce the amount of time served. Good time reduces a portion of an offender's sentence for good behavior while in prison.

The impact of indeterminate sentencing
Benefits of sentence-reduction programs, such as good-time laws and early parole release, include promotion of discipline within prisons (because inmates are motivated to engage in good behavior in order to earn or avoid losing good time) and the reduction of prison overcrowding. Critics complain that most offenders are released from prison before serving their full sentences and that indeterminate sentences produce gross sentencing disparities because they allow judges too much discretion.

http://articles.directorym.com/Sentencing_Statutes_and_Guidelines_Idaho-r1045838-Idaho.html

Sounds like IF the parole board determines that Christina is "cured" (of the "dissociation") :rolleyes: - in five years, she'll be free as a bird.

[Idaho4Groenes]

Later this summer 4-year-old Kyra Wine will put on her prosthetic feet and start her second year of preschool.

Her mother, 27-year-old Christina Haynes, will start her first year in prison.

[snip]

“She’s a ferocious 4-year-old,” her grandmother Deanna Wine said.

Kyra attended preschool last year and is anticipating attending again this year.

“She loves preschool,” Mrs. Wine said.

Despite having to wear a net on her head that helps promote skin to cover the open patch of flesh, and her prosthetics, her peers accept her, said Mrs. Wine.

MUCH MORE: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2009/07/29/news/news05.txt?sessinfo=45dfd0c2ce2a8ce783e3c0de0a43d7 4eddd93cfbafa8590ce223f0b63137d53f1994c50d257a1d04 49355409e9eccf18e2350820e5454d082086e4f99a45418501 b8c8ff13d1240e8e79feeacea08b1f90f83b4db7462cc4d07b f417e70155df8b93c73f43755ca927d30b51c6b5b90ae447cc 6e21da6203d9430fff492f3f619f20d69be5d1f9c0cb0222d1 63ea793191847e7ec0d8254b18d46b98f3836441228a3c8cae be829c175d0234b5632ed8c75e224dea640b98aa16d9c36915 97abb4068319251dcf1fe2bd1e53e6e159a010c5482113d010 5901d5d9d7479e1bd4b7aa4570b119a500ee612abac5032402 fc8036421b025078c9a7653d2ebc1831

[Idaho4Groenes]

Crime brings legislation

Joyce Broadsword and others think ten years is not enough.

Now that Christina Haynes and Charles Smith are behind bars for the abuse of Kyra Wine, legislators can respond to the outcry from local citizens and officials that a maximum ten-year sentence for felony child abuse is not enough.

Sen. Broadsword said the bill is already drafted and calls for a 20-year maximum sentence.

More: http://www.gazetterecord.com/articles/2009/08/05/news/news02.txt?sessinfo=023c5212b1ebe7277f083619a4efe1 33f6b4c4a0e20b6fb587e6e1306251fea655f8185b2eec8e50 92d0dfb26546a68a965cedc47b311c534f142bd9056c1f1aa1 9e8c6efbf86292947b256586e9137c073e5d635955fad895c7 cdd0c7174f4ff6bac351bd6d69352b9110f047ef698008eb2e 2f77341bfc50bee7f3f9242a1d6e6b5e88c15eb7b54074795b f80c746b0e34c574f7662ce8fce2f0e385699056715dc67b0e a443b003e1cfc12371e634cf248a07e508f2b6b719f752f1b3 389f93951a47abf4b90c17764fff82e12c0bd642c43d35f81b a004ce89c9d7669a7bc71a0789486a6c7dbb7d632633cb7fd8 d05cfc23782f59d203fa70fb60093bf4

[Boyz_Mum]

IMO, 20 years isn't long enough to hold these monsters.

[Salem]

Thanks for the updates, everyone. This case is just so heartbreaking. Kyra will only be 8-13 years old when the POS's get out. How do you think she is going to feel knowing that they are back in her community?

Are the grandparents going to move her out of the area? Or will she be forced to live with the terror that they are going to come and get her?

A possible 5 years with time off for good behavior and mom could be out in 2.5 years, less if time served counts. What will Kyra do then?

Good for Idaho legislators.

I really think it is time to do something about all the plea deals and indeterminate sentencing. Some of these POSs get off so easy it is mind boggling.

Salem

[believe09]

Could be a silly question, but did monster-mom lose her parental rights? If so, I would be seriously tempted to change names and head out before she has a prayer of being released. Or the other one.

[JoeDean]

This is so very sad and heartbreaking the way some adults abuse and mistreat the babies in the world.These people never seem get more than a slap on the wrist and then they want that reduced to nothing. :behindbar

[Boyz_Mum]

This is so very sad and heartbreaking the way some adults abuse and mistreat the babies in the world.These people never seem get more than a slap on the wrist and then they want that reduced to nothing. :behindbar

I agree. These people get a slap on the wrist and then are able to walk out of jail. In the meantime, Kyra has to use prosthesis to walk with. It's not right.:mad:

[LCoastMom]

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This creep-show: Charles W Smith, who's atty told the world what a great guy he is; he described lil' Kyra's abuser as a nice guy and a good babysitter! Mr atty do you have children you would like to hire him to care for??

Someone is logging in on his MySpace acct... His picture with the pumped up biceps, from abusing children is still there, but it is private.


They never found the cause of the baby's injuries. Even after 3 months in the hospital recovering, she still has years of surgeries ahead of her... She has just learned to walk again. And her momster sat crying over her own prison sentence!

Please!! You'll be out and young enough to start over, before your lil daughter is fully healed!

Smith, the mom's live-in boyfriend and babysitter of the 2 Wine girls, 3 and 6 at the time of the injuries; was sentenced to the max of 10 years. The judge said he would give more time if he could!!

The mother who was said to be suffering from a disassociation, a form of denial that prohibited her from understanding the severity of Kyra’s injuries ... yet she knew that she couldn't let other's see her lil girl... including relatives and a former babysitter who was coming over to see the girls!! Christina Hayes got 5 yrs plus 5 years indeterminate sentencing.

After the hearing Christina's mother cried and said it is hard to understand her daughter being guilty of something she didn't comprehend!

I don't believe it!! Neither did the courts....

Payne, the prosecutor, argued that the defendant knew how extreme her daughter’s injuries were because she prohibited neighbors, friends and relatives from seeing the girl before county deputies made a welfare check at the Hells Gulch home in June 2008.

I'd love to have this judge give lessons to these pro criminal judges who let them off with a slap on the wrist!

We are supposed to be more advanced than an eye for an eye, but how about a year for a year. You mess with someone, leave them messed up for life, you give up your life. Either DP or Life w/o Parole...

[Columbo]

One of the stories posted on WS today made me think of little Kyra Wine, and wonder about the criminal disposition of her mother's momster's case. Several others were following this horrific case so I thought I'd update it. I found this:

Kyra Wine's mom faces 5 years in prison for abuse

http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/NW_051609IDN-kyra-wine-KS.c7c17bb.html

Basically, Christina Haynes pled guilty and would normally face a 10-yr prison sentence for her crime(s). But since she cooperated and took a plea deal, she may only end up serving five years.

She's scheduled to be sentenced on July 17th

Maybe someone has already said this, but if they were convicted of attempted murder I wonder if the sentence would be longer? Sorry if this sounds like it's out in left field; I'm not a lawyer !

[Idaho4Groenes]

Stronger child abuse sentencing will see Senate vote
February 24th, 2010

A proposal to double the maximum sentence for felony injury to a child from 10 to 20 years in prison was approved by a Senate panel Wednesday. It now faces a vote by the full Senate. Sen. Joyce Broadsword, R-Sagle, began working on the proposal after hearing about the case of Kyra Wine, a 3-year-old girl in northern Idaho who was abused by her mother’s boyfriend last June. During a Senate Judiciary and Rules Committee Wednesday, Broadsword said another case involving a 2-month-old girl whose leg was broken, reported by the Spokesman-Review, is another example of why penalties should be strengthened.

More: http://www.idahoreporter.com/2010/stronger-child-abuse-sentencing-will-see-senate-vote/