Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #7

[Littledeer]

Roy is on several forums if you investigate further - no links - sorry. He gleams info from each.

If half of Roy's posts are true, he would have told LE.

Leave Roy at Topix unitl he is proven to be honest.

IMO

[cloudajo]

If you blow up and look closely at the nighttime video shot Sun night you can see in the background a couple of yellow evidence markers on the road that probably mark the location of evidence - footprints wouldn't be visible to the videograher at that distance, but casings would be. I ASSUME that at least one of the evidence markers visible are where casings are located on the roadway - it's about the correct distance for someone shooting from the roadway and people are walking all around them so they probably aren't the footprints or tire tracks.

The interesting thing I noted was the comments on BOTH the early videos (6/8 and 6/9) that they have a suspect in mind. That was later retracted and "no suspects" were being sought (6/10-6/12). Then the POI sketch was released the afternoon of 6/13. Obviously, as this began the Sheriff AND OSBI thought they knew who might have done this, but evidently either they don't want to discuss that early information OR those person(s) were found to have had an ironclad alibi for the time of the murders.

My Opinion

Yes, thanks. Here's the direct link so no one needs to search.
June 9th - 2 Girls Found Dead Near Weleetka: http://www.koco.com/video/16547226/index.html (http://www.koco.com/video/16547226/index.html)

[oceanblueeyes]

He is ocean, he's from Arkansas, his ISP is from Elizabeth, AR
(http://www.topix.com/forum/city/elizabeth-ar)


ARKANSAS?:confused:

I should have known.:mad:

Thanks TG.

[ricquelle]

Somethin Claycat said caught my eye:

He was red-headed and had a heavy forehead with deep-set eyes. He was slender. That was when I got the names Brian and Lazarus.

On another forum apparently one of the posters daughters lives in the area and said this:

The main rumor that my daughter has been telling me since the first day is that law enforcement have been looking to speak to a specific person that is in his early '20's. He is from the area, and I know his name and nicknames, but would rather not put it out there. My daughter told me as far as his physical decscription, he looks like an adult Chucky doll.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333775


Would this describe the redhead you saw?


P.S. Being new, I apologize if I wasn't suppose to quote other forums.

[Littledeer]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/arc...p/t-11884.html (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-11884.html)

OMG check this out Saw it on another place


Twenty-five years later her brother Daryl Creech of Oklahoma hopes to find her.


Funny, Caryl Creech happens to be this girls brother?? interesting reading


This needs verification! Great find Get Smart.

[cloudajo]

If you blow up and look closely at the nighttime video shot Sun night you can see in the background a couple of yellow evidence markers on the road that probably mark the location of evidence - footprints wouldn't be visible to the videograher at that distance, but casings would be. I ASSUME that at least one of the evidence markers visible are where casings are located on the roadway - it's about the correct distance for someone shooting from the roadway and people are walking all around them so they probably aren't the footprints or tire tracks.

The interesting thing I noted was the comments on BOTH the early videos (6/8 and 6/9) that they have a suspect in mind. That was later retracted and "no suspects" were being sought (6/10-6/12). Then the POI sketch was released the afternoon of 6/13. Obviously, as this began the Sheriff AND OSBI thought they knew who might have done this, but evidently either they don't want to discuss that early information OR those person(s) were found to have had an ironclad alibi for the time of the murders.

My Opinion

Re suspect. Yes, I noticed that too. Also, they looked into the tip about the truck full of boys on Wed AM IIRC. Could have been others they had in mind as well.

Koco – Video Posted June 9th
“Leads Gathered in Double Killing” and select “last 30 days”
http://www.koco.com/video/16553563/index.html (http://www.koco.com/video/)

At 18 seconds, the reporter Mark says: “…there is a suspect or it may be suspects in this case. Now the sheriff tells us they have done some interviewing but right now that’s as far as they’ll go…”

At 1:55, the anchor says: “Well, the sheriff department is working with the State Department of Investigation. Authorities tell us like Mark told us that they do have a suspect in mind, but they are still following up on those leads.”

[MissHolmes]

Caryl Creech

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OKOKMULG/2006-07/1153316863


This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Surnames: Brown, Creech, VanMeter, Hitchcock, Leftwich,
Classification: Obituary

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ZaB.2ACI/1188

Message Board Post:

Sallie Brown, a longtime resident of Weleetka was born July 25, 1956 in Wofford Heights, California to Leola Edith and Halley Odetta Creech. She passed away Monday, July 17, 2006 at her home in Weleetka, Oklahoma at the age of 49 years 11 months and 22 days.



Sallie was a Homemaker. She was a member of Endtime Revival Tabernacle.



Sallie was born and raised in Californina and came to Oklahoma in 1972, where she lived 1 year in Dustin, 2 years in Okemah before settling in Weleetka.



Sallie graduated from Seminole State College and attended one year at ECU in Ada, Oklahoma



She was preceded in death by her father Halley Odetta Creech in 1969, her mother Leola Edith (Smith) Creech in 1984, and one sister, Deanna in 2001.



She is survived by her husband, Charles Brown, of the home;

daughter, Martha VanMeter & husband Wesley, Henryetta;

son, Mart Brown, Weleetka;

6 granddaughters, Madelynn, Rachelle,Taylor, & Emily VanMeter all of Henryetta, and Abby Brown, Weleetka; as well as one on the way.

brother, Harvey Creech & wife Cheryl, Corona, California;

brother, Robert Creech, Ridgecrest, California;

sister, Pam Brown & husband Marvin, Weleetka;

sister, Carol Hitchcock & husband Howard, Mesa, Arizona;

brother, Caryl Creech, Lexington, Oklahoma;

brother, Tim Creech, Boley, Oklahoma;

sister-in-law, Jane Leftwich, Tulsa;

special friends, Bill & Betty Chambers, Weleetka;

and Margie Plunkett, Weleetka;

9 nieces & 5 nephews and a host of other relatives & friends.



Pallbearers will be Travis Wallace, Jack Pangle, James Newman, Tim Williams, and Ron Sullivan.



Funeral Services will be held Thursday, July 20, 2006 at 10:00 am at Shurden Chapel in Henryetta officiated by Rev. Michael VanMeter. Burial will be at Endtime Church Cemetery under the direction of Shurden Funeral Home.

[MissHolmes]

oops. Tim Creech is there also in the obit Caryl's brother, connected to Weleetka. What do you know. Need to look more.

[GetSmart]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-11884.html

OMG check this out Saw it on another place


Twenty-five years later her brother Daryl Creech of Oklahoma hopes to find her.


Funny, Caryl Creech happens to be this girls brother?? interesting reading
http://www.ok.gov/launch.php?url=http://www.doc.state.ok.us/offenders/offenders.htm
Lewd Or Indecent Proposals/Acts To Child (http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+853914648575+F) Aaron Creech
Seems like this family has problems also !!

This is what I added

[FlowerChild]

Tim was obviously in prison in Boley (see below) in 2006. This "family connection" could explain why he is now living in Weleetka - he could have family support (and maybe a job) in Weleetka - otherwise why live in such a small, economically depressed area.

John Lilley Correctional Center
P.O. Box 1908
Boley, OK 74829

Phone: (918) 667-3381
Fax: (918) 667-3959
Warden: Glynn Booher
Security Level: Minumum
Opened: 1983

[KR2tonenow]

[quote=MissHolmes;2315706]Caryl Creech

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OKOKMULG/2006-07/1153316863

Sallie Brown, a longtime resident of Weleetka was born July 25, 1956 in Wofford Heights, California to Leola Edith and Halley Odetta Creech. She passed away Monday, July 17, 2006 at her home in Weleetka, Oklahoma at the age of 49 years 11 months and 22 days.

She is survived by her husband, Charles Brown, of the home;

daughter, Martha VanMeter & husband Wesley, Henryetta;

son, Mart Brown, Weleetka;

I gather this is the family.

[GetSmart]

On a lighter note this is really nice

Weleetka Fundraiser Big Success
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0608/528851.html
As authorities continue to search for a person of interest in the murder of two young girls, residents of Weleetka and the surrounding communities gathered together for a fundraiser to help the families cover burial expenses. The event turned out raising a whole lot more than just money.

The cadence was familiar, but the items were unusual. A coconut cream pie, duck decoys, a blue thing that resembled a purse. They were elements of a foreclosure on frustration.

It's been one week since Taylor and Skyla were murdered and no one is accountable.

“Its just made everybody sick,” said one resident. “Don't happen here, but it did,” said another.

“I live two miles from where this happened,” said Bob Nelson, a Weleetka banker, who, like many, is desperate to somehow help. “I've got two grandchildren that age that live there in Weleetka and it's very important not only to catch the person that did this but to help the family.”

And so the word went out. Benefit at a local bar called Marvin's Place. Ribs in the smoker, music on the lawn, and an auction of the heart inside. “We need to put aside all the anger and everything else involved in the deal,” said auctioneer Hank Henke. “We just need to open our hearts and give all we can give.”

Even if that giving turned out to be more than what you got. Case in point? A can of green beans and tuna from an old woman in a nursing home. “That's what she could give but she gave everything she could give right there,” said Henke. Bidding was fast and furious. As if the beans were magical and the tuna was fresh off the boat. “Sold 'em $55 dollars !!! That's the way to start 'em right there!”

“It wasn't expensive at all.” Remember Bob? He had the winning bid. Turns out even bankers can't put a price on community. “Hey, we're not gonna eat 'em, we're gonna save these for a while,” he smiled.

[MissHolmes]

Lets not forget that AMW is suppose to be showing this story tonight.

[Littledeer]

That has been a lot of information on "Creech"! Great job posters!!

But I woud think that LE and OSBI have alredy checked this person out by ow. If not then none of them should be wearing a badge!

Has anyone sent this information to the LE?

[Tom'sGirl]

That has been a lot of information on "Creech"! Great job posters!!

But I woud think that LE and OSBI have alredy checked this person out by ow. If not then none of them should be wearing a badge!

Has anyone sent this information to the LE?
YES, someone from another site has LD!

[Busylady]

Ok I wanna make sure I got this straight in my head. Melinda Creech disappeared in 1974
Shirley Jean Creech 5/30/1932 in Pennsylvania - died 7/17/2003 in Coweta, OK was Melinda's mother
I have requested a copy of her obit by email, hopefully I will get a response soon.
Caryl Creech is Melindas younger brother. If this is the case the family above cannot be the same as Melindas family correct?

[cloudajo]

I go back and forth on whether I think POI was made up as a cover for someone, just a witness, or involved.

The OSBI website says: "This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found. Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard." And Brown also said: "He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

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I know we don't know if same witnesses saw POI and then the girls alive, or just POI. If witnesses did not see girls but POI by truck, were the girls already shot at that point, and if so, did his truck block the view of the girls? When the witness(es) were coming down the road, would they have seen POI for some time in advance since it was a farily straight road? I drew out a sketch of the road, where the girls were found, where I think the truck was, etc. so I can try to picture it better. But I realize that we don’t know for sure the position or direction of truck or witnesses. Does anyone picture it happening something like this and if not, why not?

· The girls were walking south from the bridge toward Taylor's house on the west side of the road. The POI in the truck was driving south (speculation) and pulled over on the right in front of the girls at an angle, jutting out into the road. (That would put his driver’s side door facing the middle of the road.)
· The POI got out and went over to the girls with 1 gun (or 2 guns).
· Something happened and he shot them (the why could be a number of things, they refused to get in the truck, they had seen something at the bridge, etc.). They fell where they were shot on the west side of the road in the ditch (which looks to be shallow and fairly close to the side of the road).
· He walked back to his truck to get his 2nd gun. He saw a vehicle coming south down the road so he stood outside the truck pretending to be doing something. The witness(es) had to drive slowly around the truck sticking out. The witness(es) were driving by slow to go around and got a good look at POI (I happen to think maybe was a man and a woman in a vehicle, the man noticed more truck/license tag details and the woman noticed his face and clothing).
· Or, the POI demanded that Taylor and Skyla get into the truck, and they refused, then he saw a vehicle coming down the road (how far can you see up the road, it’s a straight road), so he panicked and shot them, then walked around to the driver’s side of the truck and the vehicle passed.
· The POI then got a 2nd gun out of the truck and shot the girls again. He didn’t pick up the shell casings because he needed to get out of there quick; he got back into the truck, made a u-turn, and went back north toward the bridge.

[Tom'sGirl]

Lets not forget that AMW is suppose to be showing this story tonight.
Not forgetting, just a long way off for me time wise :)

[GetSmart]

http://newsok.com/new-sketch-fuels-hope-in-slayings/article/3257467/?tm=1213420113?

I do not remember this part
Authorities continue to speculate that the killer or killers were local residents. But Friday morning, OSBI Special Agent Ben Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said authorities are expanding their investigation to include Oklahoma City, Seminole and Tulsa. At least 14 agents are working the case near Weleetka, Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) said.

[cloudajo]

On a lighter note this is really nice

Weleetka Fundraiser Big Success
http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0608/528851.html
As authorities continue to search for a person of interest in the murder of two young girls, residents of Weleetka and the surrounding communities gathered together for a fundraiser to help the families cover burial expenses. The event turned out raising a whole lot more than just money.

The cadence was familiar, but the items were unusual. A coconut cream pie, duck decoys, a blue thing that resembled a purse. They were elements of a foreclosure on frustration.

It's been one week since Taylor and Skyla were murdered and no one is accountable.

“Its just made everybody sick,” said one resident. “Don't happen here, but it did,” said another.

“I live two miles from where this happened,” said Bob Nelson, a Weleetka banker, who, like many, is desperate to somehow help. “I've got two grandchildren that age that live there in Weleetka and it's very important not only to catch the person that did this but to help the family.”

And so the word went out. Benefit at a local bar called Marvin's Place. Ribs in the smoker, music on the lawn, and an auction of the heart inside. “We need to put aside all the anger and everything else involved in the deal,” said auctioneer Hank Henke. “We just need to open our hearts and give all we can give.”

Even if that giving turned out to be more than what you got. Case in point? A can of green beans and tuna from an old woman in a nursing home. “That's what she could give but she gave everything she could give right there,” said Henke. Bidding was fast and furious. As if the beans were magical and the tuna was fresh off the boat. “Sold 'em $55 dollars !!! That's the way to start 'em right there!”

“It wasn't expensive at all.” Remember Bob? He had the winning bid. Turns out even bankers can't put a price on community. “Hey, we're not gonna eat 'em, we're gonna save these for a while,” he smiled.

It is, thanks.

[philamena]

All I could find is sexual battery, and lewd molestation and that his ex wife and I believe two minor children (just initials shown for them)were subpoena

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=073-CF%20%209900130&County=073-


Does anyone know if it's been confirmed whether the girls were sexually assaulted or not?
If there were not, I don't see a sexual predator killing them without molesting them.

[FlowerChild]

Does anyone know if it's been confirmed whether the girls were sexually assaulted or not?
If there were not, I don't see a sexual predator killing them without molesting them.
OSBI says no - not sexually molested/assaulted. In addition they said the girls were found fully dressed as they were when they left for their walk.

My Opinion

[txsvicki]

Did OSBI correct the information that the POI's white truck was parked perpindicular on the road? That would make it almost straight across the road instead of just parked there on the road. I can't figure out why someone would be across the road like that. It calls more attention than just pulling over at an angle. I keep thinking maybe he ran out of gas just as he was about to make a U turn or turn around to go the other way.

[oceanblueeyes]

I go back and forth on whether I think POI was made up as a cover for someone, just a witness, or involved.

The OSBI website says: "This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found. Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard." And Brown also said: "He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

==============
I know we don't know if same witnesses saw POI and then the girls alive, or just POI. If witnesses did not see girls but POI by truck, were the girls already shot at that point, and if so, did his truck block the view of the girls? When the witness(es) were coming down the road, would they have seen POI for some time in advance since it was a frailly straight road? I drew out a sketch of the road, where the girls were found, where I think the truck was, etc. so I can try to picture it better. But I realize that we don’t know for sure the position or direction of truck or witnesses. Does anyone picture it happening something like this and if not, why not?

· The girls were walking south from the bridge toward Taylor's house on the west side of the road. The POI in the truck was driving south (speculation) and pulled over on the right in front of the girls at an angle, jutting out into the road. (That would put his driver’s side door facing the middle of the road.)
· The POI got out and went over to the girls with 1 gun (or 2 guns).
· Something happened and he shot them (the why could be a number of things, they refused to get in the truck, they had seen something at the bridge, etc.). They fell where they were shot on the west side of the road in the ditch (which looks to be shallow and fairly close to the side of the road).
· He walked back to his truck to get his 2nd gun. He saw a vehicle coming south down the road so he stood outside the truck pretending to be doing something. The witness(es) had to drive slowly around the truck sticking out. The witness(es) were driving by slow to go around and got a good look at POI (I happen to think maybe was a man and a woman in a vehicle, the man noticed more truck/license tag details and the woman noticed his face and clothing).
· Or, the POI demanded that Taylor and Skyla get into the truck, and they refused, then he saw a vehicle coming down the road (how far can you see up the road, it’s a straight road), so he panicked and shot them, then walked around to the driver’s side of the truck and the vehicle passed.
· The POI then got a 2nd gun out of the truck and shot the girls again. He didn’t pick up the shell casings because he needed to get out of there quick; he got back into the truck, made a u-turn, and went back north toward the bridge.

I am convinced that he was the main one involved. I think he was alone. There were several witnesses on that road that day and no one reported that they saw any other suspicious person.

I do think the rest of your theory is most likely correct. He may have already interacted with them closer to the bridge and it did not go his way so he left and drove down the road some and waited for them to come by. I think he did the u-turn so he wouldnt come up behind the vehicle, that had shortly before, passed him.

imo

[SuziQ]

[quote=MissHolmes;2315706]Caryl Creech

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OKOKMULG/2006-07/1153316863

Sallie Brown, a longtime resident of Weleetka was born July 25, 1956 in Wofford Heights, California to Leola Edith and Halley Odetta Creech. She passed away Monday, July 17, 2006 at her home in Weleetka, Oklahoma at the age of 49 years 11 months and 22 days.

She is survived by her husband, Charles Brown, of the home;

daughter, Martha VanMeter & husband Wesley, Henryetta;

son, Mart Brown, Weleetka;

I gather this is the family.

Late last night I did a reverse lookup for Timothys address and C.S. Brown and Carla Brown came up.

[oceanblueeyes]

Did OSBI correct the information that the POI's white truck was parked perpendicular on the road? That would make it almost straight across the road instead of just parked there on the road. I can't figure out why someone would be across the road like that. It calls more attention than just pulling over at an angle. I keep thinking maybe he ran out of gas just as he was about to make a U turn or turn around to go the other way.

Did they actually use the word "perpendicular"?

I thought the witness said the truck was sort of blocking the way. That could have meant that the witnesses' lane was blocked and they had to swing out some on the oncoming side in order to get around him.

imoo

[MissHolmes]

Did OSBI correct the information that the POI's white truck was parked perpindicular on the road? That would make it almost straight across the road instead of just parked there on the road. I can't figure out why someone would be across the road like that. It calls more attention than just pulling over at an angle. I keep thinking maybe he ran out of gas just as he was about to make a U turn or turn around to go the other way.

From post 267, just above it says:

"He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something,"

[MissHolmes]

[quote=KR2tonenow;2315763]

Late last night I did a reverse lookup for Timothys address and C.S. Brown and Carla Brown came up.

Excellent SuziQ!! Ive never used that before.

[Beyond Belief]

just fyi: found this comment on a news article. interesting.
NYC Sherlock, Jackson heights (6/16/2008 7:32:13 PM)
The man in the sketch is not Native American! He is a registered sex offender who recently moved back to Weleetka. He was given probation and served 7 years instead of 40 years. He is 6 feet tall with very DARK BROWN hair, HAZEL EYES, wears a PONY TAIL, is in his early 40's and has a history of violence involving a CHILD. OKLAHOMA does not notify residents that 4 [FOUR] NEW registered sex offenders hit the tiny town of Weleetka in the last 2 months! Two of them have FAMILIES there.
Wake up Weleetka and other towns and demand notification!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080614_12_A4_spancl222893

[Claycat]

Somethin Claycat said caught my eye:



On another forum apparently one of the posters daughters lives in the area and said this:



http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?threadid=333775


Would this describe the redhead you saw?


P.S. Being new, I apologize if I wasn't suppose to quote other forums.


Ricquelle, thank you so much for this. I have been offline for awhile, because I am trying to draw pictures of the guys' faces. I won't look at this link until I'm finished, because I don't want the description to influence me. Thanks, again!

When I finish my drawings, I will post a link to them.

[philamena]

OSBI says no - not sexually molested/assaulted. In addition they said the girls were found fully dressed as they were when they left for their walk.

My Opinion

Thanks FlowerChild. :)

[evelyn24]

Did AMW run a piece on the story??

[SuziQ]

just fyi: found this comment on a news article. interesting.
NYC Sherlock, Jackson heights (6/16/2008 7:32:13 PM)
OKLAHOMA does not notify residents that 4 [FOUR] NEW registered sex offenders hit the tiny town of Weleetka in the last 2 months! Two of them have FAMILIES there.
Wake up Weleetka and other towns and demand notification!
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080614_12_A4_spancl222893

That's probably the 4 unmappable offenders referred to at Family Watchdog.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowMap.asp?frm=0

[SuziQ]

I'm confused on the unmappable thing if the state S/O offender site lists and address. I guess Family Watchdog could have missed the address for Timothy like I did. Here is a link to the other four.

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ShowList.asp

[GetSmart]

Oh please we need forum page

[Beyond Belief]

I thought I had read where there was property being used in Weleetka for a building (Creek Nation) used for those coming out of jail to help them find jobs, etc. I think I read it in notes when I was reading about the casino, in the Creek Nation newspaper or whatever it is they publish.

[SuziQ]

Has anyone checked looked closely at crimes commited in Weleetka and surrounding towns? The reason I ask is I'm a bit befuddled by the Sheriffs initial comments regarding no trouble and not many crimes in the community. I don't remember the exact wording. Now we all know that most criminals don't get scared straight. And there is IMO, a high amount of people in Weleetka and surrounding towns that are in the justice system or related to someone who is. That has to have resulted in local crimes. I would bet rural Oklahoma as in anywhere else rural in the U.S. has it's fair share of Meth related goings on. So is the sheriff in the dark or uninformed about what's going on in his county? He comes of as being a smart guy.

[oceanblueeyes]

OSBI says no - not sexually molested/assaulted. In addition they said the girls were found fully dressed as they were when they left for their walk.

My Opinion

I am beginning to wonder about that. OSBI sure seems to think DNA evidence will be found at that scene.

But even if they weren't it doesn't mean that this wasn't his intentions and he could not contain them in order to abduct them so in anger he may have shot them both. IIRC, even the police said that it may have been an attempt to abduct them, didn't they?

imoo

[MissHolmes]

These newly released sex offenders all have physical addresses in Weleetka. All are aggravated except the second one.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=190&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30

Timothy P Creech 528 1st Street Weleetka, OK Begin Date: 05/14/2008

Will Ernest Frye Jr Rt.1, Box 147, Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880 Begin Date: 04/18/2008

Michael James Hensley physical address: 520 Cherokee Begin Date: 04/09/2008
PO Box 113 , Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880

Billy Ray Walker Jr 114 W. 1st Street Weleetka Oklahoma 74880 Begin Date: 04/21/2008

[Ruflossn]

Hello All~
I have a couple of questions:

1) Has it been confirmed that the girls had a gunshot through their mandible / floor of the mouth /(whatever you call it) I read that the girls (or at least one of them) had an open casket. If they had been the recipient of that kind of wound, would it be possible to have an open casket funeral?

2) Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does having a forum on this crime serve? I do not know what a forum entails. If it is so advantageous, why do we not have one. Are their certain requirements that we have not met? (A certain # of posts, a certain # of days since the crime was committed, etc.............)

[oceanblueeyes]

Has anyone checked looked closely at crimes committed in Weleetka and surrounding towns? The reason I ask is I'm a bit befuddled by the Sheriffs initial comments regarding no trouble and not many crimes in the community. I don't remember the exact wording. Now we all know that most criminals don't get scared straight. And there is IMO, a high amount of people in Weleetka and surrounding towns that are in the justice system or related to someone who is. That has to have resulted in local crimes. I would bet rural Oklahoma as in anywhere else rural in the U.S. has it's fair share of Meth related goings on. So is the sheriff in the dark or uninformed about what's going on in his county? He comes of as being a smart guy.

No I haven't Suzi other than the ones discussed here.

All I remember them commenting on that this was their first murders since the 80s and that the area where the children were found was not a drug invested area.

imoo

[MissHolmes]

And 1st street is the northern most street heading out of town on the maps. Two of them live on 1st street. Not that it means anything, just saying...

[GetSmart]

Has anyone checked looked closely at crimes commited in Weleetka and surrounding towns? The reason I ask is I'm a bit befuddled by the Sheriffs initial comments regarding no trouble and not many crimes in the community. I don't remember the exact wording. Now we all know that most criminals don't get scared straight. And there is IMO, a high amount of people in Weleetka and surrounding towns that are in the justice system or related to someone who is. That has to have resulted in local crimes. I would bet rural Oklahoma as in anywhere else rural in the U.S. has it's fair share of Meth related goings on. So is the sheriff in the dark or uninformed about what's going on in his county? He comes of as being a smart guy.

I started a search & found different things that have taken place & I got side tracked. Remember the post about the meth lab blowing up across from city hall. That town is not far from the area

[MissHolmes]

Hello All~
I have a couple of questions:

1) Has it been confirmed that the girls had a gunshot through their mandible / floor of the mouth /(whatever you call it) I read that the girls (or at least one of them) had an open casket. If they had been the recipient of that kind of wound, would it be possible to have an open casket funeral?

2) Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does having a forum on this crime serve? I do not know what a forum entails. If it is so advantageous, why do we not have one. Are their certain requirements that we have not met? (A certain # of posts, a certain # of days since the crime was committed, etc.............)

Number 1 I dont know

Number 2: Then everything related can go to its own thread, and be semi organized so we don't have to look alot to find previous information that has been posted. Just one advantage I can think of :)

[SuziQ]

I thought I had read where there was property being used in Weleetka for a building (Creek Nation) used for those coming out of jail to help them find jobs, etc. I think I read it in notes when I was reading about the casino, in the Creek Nation newspaper or whatever it is they publish.

I guess something like that could explain the sudden influx of sex offenders to the area. But good lord, can't they find people a bit less scary to help?

[oceanblueeyes]

Hello All~
I have a couple of questions:

1) Has it been confirmed that the girls had a gunshot through their mandible / floor of the mouth /(whatever you call it) I read that the girls (or at least one of them) had an open casket. If they had been the recipient of that kind of wound, would it be possible to have an open casket funeral?

2) Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does having a forum on this crime serve? I do not know what a forum entails. If it is so advantageous, why do we not have one. Are their certain requirements that we have not met? (A certain # of posts, a certain # of days since the crime was committed, etc.............)

No it has not been confirmed. In fact I just re-read a link that said the chidren were not seen by their families( except Taylor's poor dad) until they were at the funeral home. I think the grandmother may have surmised things that are not factual. I would think the shots to the head where right into the skull area and not the chin.



imoo

[SuziQ]

No I haven't Suzi other than the ones discussed here.

All I remember them commenting on that this was their first murders since the 80s and that the area where the children were found was not a drug invested area.

imoo

Thank you, your recollection is much better than mine.

[Ruflossn]

Number 1 I dont know

Number 2: Then everything related can go to its own thread, and be semi organized so we don't have to look alot to find previous information that has been posted. Just one advantage I can think of :)


Thanks MissHolmes! It would be lovely to not have to continually try and remember what page and post # I read something of interest. Finally I am getting smart and have a notepad by the computer so that I can save time and frustration!!! :waitasec:

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello All~
I have a couple of questions:

1) Has it been confirmed that the girls had a gunshot through their mandible / floor of the mouth /(whatever you call it) I read that the girls (or at least one of them) had an open casket. If they had been the recipient of that kind of wound, would it be possible to have an open casket funeral?

2) Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does having a forum on this crime serve? I do not know what a forum entails. If it is so advantageous, why do we not have one. Are their certain requirements that we have not met? (A certain # of posts, a certain # of days since the crime was committed, etc.............)
Have patience, you're a 'newbie' so I know it can be frustrating.

There are hundreds of cases posted about crime here daily, not all get their own Forum.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks MissHolmes! It would be lovely to not have to continually try and remember what page and post # I read something of interest. Finally I am getting smart and have a notepad by the computer so that I can save time and frustration!!! :waitasec:

It is overwhelming.

imo

[Ruflossn]

Thanks Oceanblueeyes. I agree that some of what the Grandmother said has muddled the pool of facts. Not her fault ~ just the fault of human nature.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you, your recollection is much better than mine.

You are too kind. Sometimes it is and sometimes I am :waitasec: :)!

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Oceanblueeyes. I agree that some of what the Grandmother said has muddled the pool of facts. Not her fault ~ just the fault of human nature.

No, I don't blame her a bit either. She isn't an expert.........she is just a grandma trying to make sense of a senseless situation. My heart goes out to all of them.

imoo

[cloudajo]

Did AMW run a piece on the story??

No, not that I saw.

[oceanblueeyes]

No, not that I saw.

OMG! They said they were going to unless the POI had been found.

And surely if that had happened they would have reported that to the media and stated whether he has been ruled in or out.

imo

[Ruflossn]

OMG! They said they were going to unless the POI had been found.

And surely if that had happened they would have reported that to the media and stated whether he has been ruled in or out.

imo

I just thought the same thing! B4 I get to excited, I am going to see if I can find the website and look at their line up 2nite.

[dasaky]

Wow, this really hits home. My FIL and his wife lived directly across the street from Graham School, and my two BIL's and nephew went there. We went down there to visit almost every weekend for years. They've since moved closer to Henryetta, and one of my BIL's works at the McD's there. Also, my nephew is a policeman in Henryetta! This is just crazy! I'm going to have to make some phone calls and see what I can report back.

[Ruflossn]

Wow, this really hits home. My FIL and his wife lived directly across the street from Graham School, and my two BIL's and nephew went there. We went down there to visit almost every weekend for years. They've since moved closer to Henryetta, and one of my BIL's works at the McD's there. Also, my nephew is a policeman in Henryetta! This is just crazy! I'm going to have to make some phone calls and see what I can report back.

dasaky~
It has been reported the Mothers of both of the young victims work at a McDonalds. (Maybe in Henryetta)? Just thought you might want to know........

[dasaky]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's way too many coincidences. Kind of like that 6 degrees of separation thing.

[SuziQ]

Wow, this really hits home. My FIL and his wife lived directly across the street from Graham School, and my two BIL's and nephew went there. We went down there to visit almost every weekend for years. They've since moved closer to Henryetta, and one of my BIL's works at the McD's there. Also, my nephew is a policeman in Henryetta! This is just crazy! I'm going to have to make some phone calls and see what I can report back.

Please do!

[Ruflossn]

Okay~ I could find nothing on the AMW website that showed tonights line up of stories. Maybe someone watched it and will report back if the re-aired the girls stories.

[oceanblueeyes]

Please do!

Suzi, do you know the address for the Plackers comparative to where Creech lives?

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay~ I could find nothing on the AMW website that showed tonights line up of stories. Maybe someone watched it and will report back if the re-aired the girls stories.

Ok thanks for checking, Ruflossn.

imo

[GetSmart]

This is killing me. I set the DVR it was highlighted red & hit accept recording. NOTHING.. NADA.. it did not record AMW. For the life of me I can not figure out what happen.

[Tom'sGirl]

This is killing me. I set the DVR it was highlighted red & hit accept recording. NOTHING.. NADA.. it did not record AMW. For the life of me I can not figure out what happen.
It will be on out here in an hour & half........

[GetSmart]

Nearby City Distance from Weleetka to...
Dustin, OK 7.46 miles
Wetumka, OK 9.02 miles
Henryetta, OK 11.30 miles
Okemah, OK 11.63 miles
Dewar, OK 13.88 miles
Schulter, OK 15.99 miles
Cromwell, OK 18.11 miles
Okmulgee, OK 22.23 miles
Boley, OK 22.41 miles
Holdenville, OK 23.07 miles
Wewoka, OK 23.59 miles
Morris, OK 24.41 miles
Calvin, OK 26.22 miles
Paden, OK 27.06 miles
Beggs, OK 28.39 miles
Canadian, OK 29.30 miles
Stuart, OK 30.11 miles
Crowder, OK 30.15 miles
Seminole, OK 31.13 miles
Eufaula, OK 31.44 miles
Prague, OK 32.65 miles
Bowlegs, OK 32.87 miles
Boynton, OK 34.65 miles
Allen, OK 35.24 miles
Checotah, OK 35.81 miles
Weleetka, Oklahoma ZIP Codes: 74880

[Ruflossn]

It will be on out here in an hour & half........

Okay Tom'sGirl, We are relying on you! :blowkiss:

[Tom'sGirl]

Okay Tom'sGirl, We are relying on you! :blowkiss:
LOL, I can only tell you if the segment is aired tonight and see if anything new is on there. Usually isn't as it's taped so far in advance of anything new!

[Invisible]

SuziQ--you asked about the post about heroin and the Tiger Mountain salvage yard, from the Topix board; here it is. (It's from Roy, the 'pot-stirrer,' though.)

#1109 "Hey, I would think that since tulsa and okc police havent seen any good horse in this neck of the woods for 20 some years that they might just find it interesting that the small amounts that they found in the past few month most likely came out of tigar mountain wrecking yard just up the road from waleetka. Those mexicans have been bringing alot of horses in and locking them in the big barn waiting for the buyer to must the funds to make the perchase. catch my drift? Watch those mongals. thenm some bad asses.. lmao."

That's pretty wild about ClayCat's Golden Arches vision panning out!!

Is "Roy" supposed to be from the area? Too bad that he misspelled Weleetka as Waleetka.

[TxJillyBean]

I saw nothing about this on AMW tonight. I am dispointed...I feel they should have at least shown the sketch.

[Tom'sGirl]

Is "Roy" supposed to be from the area? Too bad that he misspelled Weleetka as Waleetka.
No, he's from Arkansas and just likes to post 'stuff' and act like he knows what's going on. I posted earlier that his ISP is from Elizabeth, AR and not even from Oklahoma============> :crazy: posters! :)

[TeeOne]

Okay~ I could find nothing on the AMW website that showed tonights line up of stories. Maybe someone watched it and will report back if the re-aired the girls stories.

I watched AMW and there was no mention of Taylor & Skyla's murders or any POI...."nodda"
I was very disappointed!

[Smugshots]

I only caught the last 20 minutes of AMW, no mention of this crime.

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks to those posters for reporting about AMW. It's happened before in cases we've followed here, they say it will be aired, and it isn't until a later date.

[Elphaba]

I watched AMW... nothing... not one darn thing... it kind of shocked me... I thought for sure that Walsh and company would have been banging this one out and demanding immediate attention to the case, from viewers.

[SuziQ]

Suzi, do you know the address for the Plackers comparative to where Creech lives?

No, but again, IIRC:crazy:, he's close to the Junior High.

[cloudajo]

On OSBI Website, Press Releases section.

Just for reference, the same OSBI forensic artist Harvey Pratt who sketched POI in this case also sketched a likeness of someone seen walking to an Okmulgee woman’s house in May 08, and the woman was then found beaten to death.

If you look at the two links, you’ll see the sketch Harvey created based on several witness descriptions in the first link and the real picture of the person they arrested 4 days later. Interesting to see how the sketch and real person compare.

Sketch: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-05__Sketch_Released_in_Okmulgee_Murder_Case.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-05__Sketch_Released_in_Okmulgee_Murder_Case.html)

Person Arrested after sketch released: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-09_Okmulgee_Murder_Arrest.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-09_Okmulgee_Murder_Arrest.html)

OSBI Press Release Archive: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/index.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/index.html)

[oceanblueeyes]

I watched AMW... nothing... not one darn thing... it kind of shocked me... I thought for sure that Walsh and company would have been banging this one out and demanding immediate attention to the case, from viewers.

Reminds me of the Greone case. At first it received such media attention but 2 weeks later when Natalee Holloway went missing the children's story dropped from sight. Not one photo.......nothing until 5 weeks later when Duncan brought Shasta into Denny's in her hometown.

So I guess other cases have replaced this case. That is very sad to think about imo.

[oceanblueeyes]

No, but again, IIRC:crazy:, he's close to the Junior High.

LOL, I see you.:)

He is a level three sex offender yet lived close to a school?:eek:

thanks.

[GetSmart]

On OSBI Website, Just for reference, the same OSBI forensic artist Harvey Pratt who sketched POI in this case also sketched a likeness of someone seen walking to an Okmulgee woman’s house in May 08, and the woman was then found beaten to death.

If you look at the two links, you’ll see the sketch Harvey created based on several witness descriptions in the first link and the real picture of the person they arrested 4 days later. Interesting to see how the sketch and real person compare.

Sketch: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-05__Sketch_Released_in_Okmulgee_Murder_Case.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-05__Sketch_Released_in_Okmulgee_Murder_Case.html)

Person Arrested after sketch released: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-09_Okmulgee_Murder_Arrest.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-05-09_Okmulgee_Murder_Arrest.html)

OSBI Press Release Archive: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/index.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/index.html)

Thought this might help. The sketch looks like an older man. The pic looks like a much younger guy. jmo

[evelyn24]

OMG! They said they were going to unless the POI had been found.

And surely if that had happened they would have reported that to the media and stated whether he has been ruled in or out.

imo

I started watching with only 30 minutes left, and nothing..nada on the case.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thought this might help. The sketch looks like an older man. The pic looks like a much younger guy. jmo

Well many times it is the person's perception that is conveying and agreeing to the composite rather than the artist.

With there being many witnesses in this case I am sure they too have looked at the drawing and voiced their opinions that it does look like the POI.

imo

[cloudajo]

Thought this might help. The sketch looks like an older man. The pic looks like a much younger guy. jmo

Yes, the sketch does look older, yet the description with it said "approximately 20 years old."

Thanks. How did you attach the pic like that?

[evelyn24]

Reminds me of the Greone case. At first it received such media attention but 2 weeks later when Natalee Holloway went missing the children's story dropped from sight. Not one photo.......nothing until 5 weeks later when Duncan brought Shasta into Denny's in her hometown.

So I guess other cases have replaced this case. That is very sad to think about imo.

Yes, but there isn't another "big" case going on right now, and two murdered kids would usually get some attention on AMW.
Are we sure it was said that AMW would do another segment tonight??

[GetSmart]

Cut & Paste Then shrank...
I am losing my mind there are things I read that I just do not remember seeing in the article the first time ie..

Mosher said drugs may have played a role in the death of his niece and her girlfriend.

"The girls might have walked up on some guys cooking dope," he said. "There's been more of that stuff going on here in the past two years."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/10/national/main4168258.shtml?source=related_story
A neighbor, Ross Padgett, said drugs and the criminal element are worse than ever.

"Marijuana, meth, coke, you name it," he said. "A number of the meth cookers are right over in this community. They are busting them so hard in the cities, they are going rural." He lifted his shirt to reveal a 9 mm pistol, saying, "I'm not worried."

He said his 10-year-old son, Dakota, arms himself with a knife when he goes out to play on the family's land. The boy has also been trained with a gun.

[Busylady]

I can not even imagine raising kids in this enviornment. If my 10 yr old had to carry a knife to protect themselves while out playing I would be long gone to another area.

Cut & Paste Then shrank...
I am losing my mind there are things I read that I just do not remember seeing in the article the first time ie..

Mosher said drugs may have played a role in the death of his niece and her girlfriend.

"The girls might have walked up on some guys cooking dope," he said. "There's been more of that stuff going on here in the past two years."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/10/national/main4168258.shtml?source=related_story
A neighbor, Ross Padgett, said drugs and the criminal element are worse than ever.

"Marijuana, meth, coke, you name it," he said. "A number of the meth cookers are right over in this community. They are busting them so hard in the cities, they are going rural." He lifted his shirt to reveal a 9 mm pistol, saying, "I'm not worried."

He said his 10-year-old son, Dakota, arms himself with a knife when he goes out to play on the family's land. The boy has also been trained with a gun.

[Ruflossn]

I can not even imagine raising kids in this enviornment. If my 10 yr old had to carry a knife to protect themselves while out playing I would be long gone to another area.

Busylady~
I can not imagine my daughter having to learn such things in childhood!
I would move ASAP.

JMO~

[FlowerChild]

Tim Creech lives at the same address as a CS Brown - obviously he is not living alone, he is living with family. Creech's address is on E 1st St in the little town of Weleetka and is probably 5+ miles (or more) from the Placker home. I don't have the physical address of the Placker home to use to determine the exact distance between the two locations. It would defintely require a vehicle.

I wouldn't take too seriously the whole Tim Creech is the POI from a Tulsa World Forum. And the POI Sketch defnitely show a NA male with waist length black hair and brown (not hazel) eyes. At this point Creech comes up in association with Taylor and Skyla on Google. I think IF it was Creech, he would be in custody or LE would be looking for him by name and using an accurate description listing his correct hair and eye color and the tattoos etc.The POI sketch has not changed to reflect Tim Creech.

I wish we had some connection to LE just so we can find out IF Creech has been located and cleared or if he is missing. He is reporting his address (and is living with family) and has only been at that address for 3 or 4 weeks (probably he was in work-release elsewhere 1st) - it may be that he doesn't even have a car, a DL or access to a vehicle. The guy is a violent creep and obviously his personal and family history is ugly. He is being accused all over the place of murdering two children in cold blood - but the case is 2 weeks old tomorrow and as far as we know, Creech is neither in custody or wanted.

My Opinion

[evelyn24]

Tim Creech lives at the same address as a CS Brown - obviously he is not living alone, he is living with family. Creech's address is on E 1st St in the little town of Weleetka and is probably 5+ miles (or more) from the Placker home. I don't have the physical address of the Placker home to use to determine the exact distance between the two locations. It would defintely require a vehicle.

I wouldn't take too seriously the whole Tim Creech is the POI from a Tulsa World Forum. And the POI Sketch defnitely show a NA male with waist length black hair and brown (not hazel) eyes. At this point Creech comes up in association with Taylor and Skyla on Google. I think IF it was Creech, he would be in custody or LE would be looking for him by name and using an accurate description listing his correct hair and eye color and the tattoos etc.The POI sketch has not changed to reflect Tim Creech.

I wish we had some connection to LE just so we can find out IF Creech has been located and cleared or if he is missing. He is reporting his address (and is living with family) and has only been at that address for 3 or 4 weeks (probably he was in work-release elsewhere 1st) - it may be that he doesn't even have a car, a DL or access to a vehicle. The guy is a violent creep and obviously his personal and family history is ugly. He is being accused all over the place of murdering two children in cold blood - but the case is 2 weeks old tomorrow and as far as we know, Creech is neither in custody or wanted.

My Opinion

I wish LE would have another short presser..just to update the public. Maybe address some of the rumors, if they can.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Hello All~
I have a couple of questions:

1) Has it been confirmed that the girls had a gunshot through their mandible / floor of the mouth /(whatever you call it) I read that the girls (or at least one of them) had an open casket. If they had been the recipient of that kind of wound, would it be possible to have an open casket funeral?

2) Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages does having a forum on this crime serve? I do not know what a forum entails. If it is so advantageous, why do we not have one. Are their certain requirements that we have not met? (A certain # of posts, a certain # of days since the crime was committed, etc.............)

1) I'd like to know that as well.

2)I think :waitasec: that a forum is kinda like a book. The title would be Two girls killed in Oklahoma or something similar. When you click it open, it would have "chapters" or threads. You would see topics such as; ammunition, timeline, relatives, theories, media links, photos, etc. That way we file posts under specific categories and we wouldn't have to read and re-read all the threads and pages just to find something specific we are looking for.
Hope that's correct and makes sense.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Is "Roy" supposed to be from the area? Too bad that he misspelled Weleetka as Waleetka.


LMAO !

[CarpeDiem]

I can not even imagine raising kids in this enviornment. If my 10 yr old had to carry a knife to protect themselves while out playing I would be long gone to another area.

Those statements in that article were so strange. I did one of these about the 10 year old and the knife thing - :eek:. I would never have my child carrying around a weapon to go play, and it wouldn't serve it's purpose anyway, a 10 year old kid is no match for a drugged out adult or teen.

[c2cd208]

Maybe I am crossing the line here, however I grew up in the "country" and @ 13 I would not have had to beg my parents to be alowed to take a walk down the road. For granted I grew up in a different generation as these two young ladies, however they had to have some secrets in order to be so protective of their 13 yo young woman. I think there is a lot that has been discovered in this forum that LE is aware of yet cant not quite finger. I feel the grandparents were where they were for a reason. But why only go such a little distance? I think the G-pa knows who is behind this, only he does not the exact person who carried out the "deed" He said "They" when he was speaking of the murders, I do feel that those words carry some revelance to this case.

[poco]

Maybe I am crossing the line here, however I grew up in the "country" and @ 13 I would not have had to beg my parents to be alowed to take a walk down the road. For granted I grew up in a different generation as these two young ladies, however they had to have some secrets in order to be so protective of their 13 yo young woman. I think there is a lot that has been discovered in this forum that LE is aware of yet cant not quite finger. I feel the grandparents were where they were for a reason. But why only go such a little distance? I think the G-pa knows who is behind this, only he does not the exact person who carried out the "deed" He said "They" when he was speaking of the murders, I do feel that those words carry some revelance to this case.

I have yet to see a link where he is actually quoted as saying "they" upon finding their bodies and who did he say this to? Isn't it just as possible that later, after it came up that there were possibly two shooters he was making reference to them at that point and saying "they shot them."

[c2cd208]

I have yet to see a link where he is actually quoted as saying "they" upon finding their bodies and who did he say this to? Isn't it just as possible that later, after it came up that there were possibly two shooters he was making reference to them at that point and saying "they shot them."
Quite possible, which would make him witness to the event or there-after which makes it possible that he was one of ther person(s) that helped come up with the sketch that was released to the puclic. But why only one sketch of a POI? Why not two? This entire case is strange.

Some people have made reference here to the Groan Case, however earlier I was thinking about Jeramy Jones, even though I know for a fact it could not have been him (he is on death row), he was mentioned when it come to another case in the general area of two missing girls that have never been found, Laura Bible, and Ashley Freemon. Their bodies have never been found and it was another "Best Friends" situation. They were missing from Welch, OK which is 144 miles apart, however given the time involved a person could have migrated.

So if it was not a "hit" maybe is was a serial killer.

[oceanblueeyes]

I have yet to see a link where he is actually quoted as saying "they" upon finding their bodies and who did he say this to? Isn't it just as possible that later, after it came up that there were possibly two shooters he was making reference to them at that point and saying "they shot them."

I agree, poco and I am not even sure he said it at all. When something is said to someone, then that someone tells another someone and that someone tells another it is a known fact that words can be added or omitted. Talk about hearsay! lol

But even if he did immediately I see nothing sinister about this at all. Everyday of my life I hear people use "they" when they are uncertain exactly on who did the crime or how many. I have found using "they" has a more generalized term even when without a shadow of a doubt I know they are talking about one person only.

The POI sketch has to be very close imo. I am sure all the other eye witnesses that saw this guy that day were ask to look at the composite as well.

I sure wish they would get a break in this case.

IMO

[Trino]

I have thought and thought about a motive in this case.

1. I don't believe the family (extended family) is involved.
2. This was not a sexual attack nor does it sound like an abduction attempt, and Creech seems focused on sexual attacks.
3. IMO it was not a senseless act of violence.
4. Just the fact that the POI(s) had major weapons suggests drugs or criminal activity.

Again, with drugs in the area, I think the bridge was a drop-off place, i.e. money for drugs, and I think the girls found something. They were walking and could easily have found a bag, etc. Suppose they found money... The POI could not possibly let them get away.

I also think the POI saw them with it, confronted them, then killed them because they could identify him.

Finally, I'm not so sure the POI(s) is local, meaning around the immediate area.

[cloudajo]

Does anyone think any of the leads on the POI have turned up something solid yet? Just reading on the OSBI website about another case where they had a press release issued when they were interviewing the POI and then another same day press release with arrest.

-----------------
Different case, press release made when OSBI was interviewing POI for a murder (and gives the person’s name): http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2007_Press_Releases/PR-3-19-2007_OSBI_Investigates_Early_Morning_Lincoln_Count y_Shooting.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2007_Press_Releases/PR-3-19-2007_OSBI_Investigates_Early_Morning_Lincoln_Count y_Shooting.html)
Same day press release that the POI was then arrested: http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2007_Press_Releases/PR-3-19-2007_OSBI_Makes_Arrest_in_Morning_Shooting.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2007_Press_Releases/PR-3-19-2007_OSBI_Makes_Arrest_in_Morning_Shooting.html)

OSBI - Forensic Laboratory
Some Weleetka Videos for reference
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Forensic_Laboratory/index.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Forensic_Laboratory/index.html)

[GetSmart]

Trino I am agreeing with you. Unless something else comes into play to change my mind. The local quotes about drugs ect.. seem to play right into that line of thinking.

[oceanblueeyes]

I have thought and thought about a motive in this case.

1. I don't believe the family (extended family) is involved.
2. This was not a sexual attack nor does it sound like an abduction attempt, and Creech seems focused on sexual attacks.
3. IMO it was not a senseless act of violence.
4. Just the fact that the POI(s) had major weapons suggests drugs or criminal activity.

Again, with drugs in the area, I think the bridge was a drop-off place, i.e. money for drugs, and I think the girls found something. They were walking and could easily have found a bag, etc. Suppose they found money... The POI could not possibly let them get away.

I also think the POI saw them with it, confronted them, then killed them because they could identify him.

Finally, I'm not so sure the POI(s) is local, meaning around the immediate area.

But even OSBI has said it may have been a failed attempt at abduction.

Trying to contain two people is hard to do so they may not have cooperated with him and he became livid about their defiance and did this as retaliation for being rejected.

imoo

[Ruflossn]

According to the ADA Evening Newspaper:

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_172185516.html

Officials continue search for suspect in Weleetka murders
Randy Mitchell Staff Writer

"OSBI Public Information Officer Jessica Brown said the television show America’s Most Wanted aired a short synopsis about the crime Saturday. There will be another airing this Saturday if no suspect or suspects are found by then".


I hope that I am not breaking any rules at the Websleuths website by posting the quotes above. I did post the link. Is that allowed? Sorry for all the questions, I am still learning my way around Websleuths.

My point is posting the above is what I gather, AMW did not show anything about the Oklahoma murders. I did not watch the show last night, but others on this site did and none reported seeing anything on updates, follow ups, etc........ I hope that the above article is correct and the reason that they didn't show anything is that LE is close to an arrest.

If I broke any rules with the above info., please let me know.

[SuziQ]

Ruflossn, you did fine with the link and quote. I've been thinking quite often of your bolded quote since AMW didn't air anything on the girls.

[cloudajo]

According to the ADA Evening Newspaper:

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_172185516.html

Officials continue search for suspect in Weleetka murders
Randy Mitchell Staff Writer

"OSBI Public Information Officer Jessica Brown said the television show America’s Most Wanted aired a short synopsis about the crime Saturday. There will be another airing this Saturday if no suspect or suspects are found by then".


I hope that I am not breaking any rules at the Websleuths website by posting the quotes above. I did post the link. Is that allowed? Sorry for all the questions, I am still learning my way around Websleuths.

My point is posting the above is what I gather, AMW did not show anything about the Oklahoma murders. I did not watch the show last night, but others on this site did and none reported seeing anything on updates, follow ups, etc........ I hope that the above article is correct and the reason that they didn't show anything is that LE is close to an arrest.

If I broke any rules with the above info., please let me know.

Thanks, no you certainly didn't break any rules. I was wondering the same thing - does it mean they have something?

[Ruflossn]

Thanks for letting me know that I successfully accomplished my first link on Websleuths. YEA! Slowly but surely, I am learning the ropes.

:woohoo:

[oceanblueeyes]

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

His office has been used for interviews and for lie detector tests, but Rice said most of the loose ends have been tied up and investigators may be close to a big break in the case.

"I believe they are on the right track, and that it's not too far away,” he said. "This is definitely not a dead end as some people think. I know that with something of this magnitude you want someone in jail this second, but there's so much to look at, and so many leads. They have a responsibility to do this right all the way.

[SuziQ]

Thanks for the link ocean. That's a positive article. It appears locating the POI is not an easy task.

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

(snip)
"That sketch was in the paper and plastered all over the news,” Rice said. "Do you have any idea how many Indians we have in this county who have long hair and wear a baseball cap?”

Approximately two-thirds of the county has some sort of relation to the Creek tribe, Rice (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Eddy+Rice&CATEGORY=PERSON) said, and that meant fielding and checking out dozens and dozens of calls saying that the sketch looked like someone. "And we have to check them all out,” he said. "We were overwhelmed, but everyone just wants to help, and we understand that.”

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for the link ocean. That's a positive article. It appears locating the POI is not an easy task.

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

(snip)
"That sketch was in the paper and plastered all over the news,” Rice said. "Do you have any idea how many Indians we have in this county who have long hair and wear a baseball cap?”

Approximately two-thirds of the county has some sort of relation to the Creek tribe, Rice (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Eddy+Rice&CATEGORY=PERSON) said, and that meant fielding and checking out dozens and dozens of calls saying that the sketch looked like someone. "And we have to check them all out,” he said. "We were overwhelmed, but everyone just wants to help, and we understand that.”


YW, Suzi.

It sure looks like the POI is the key to this case though.

imoo

[Mysterylover]

No, the image I saw would not be old enough or mature enough to even begin producing a mustache. I would place him around 14 maybe if I had to give an actual age. Didn't get another boy with him with his image, just him.
He was very boyish but big for his age. Stocky. That's all I got on him.
Well no, a striped shirt. Boots.

Thanks for responding to me, everybody.

I don't feel like the spurned love theory fits this. It's a good theory, but doesn't feel right.
I enjoy reading everyone's theories and PI work.

This made me remember of something I read after this horrible massacre happened.
Please don't ask me to remember where I read it, I've done a lot of reading a lot of different places.
Someone said, " Two boys ages 18 and 19 yrs. had threatened to kill Taylor, because she had told on them/got them in trouble for DRUGS".....jmo

[evelyn24]

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

His office has been used for interviews and for lie detector tests, but Rice said most of the loose ends have been tied up and investigators may be close to a big break in the case.

"I believe they are on the right track, and that it's not too far away,” he said. "This is definitely not a dead end as some people think. I know that with something of this magnitude you want someone in jail this second, but there's so much to look at, and so many leads. They have a responsibility to do this right all the way.

Oh Ocean, thank you.
This could be the reason for AMW not airing an update with the sketch last night.
This coming week could bring us some breaking news.

[Mysterylover]

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

His office has been used for interviews and for lie detector tests, but Rice said most of the loose ends have been tied up and investigators may be close to a big break in the case.

"I believe they are on the right track, and that it's not too far away,” he said. "This is definitely not a dead end as some people think. I know that with something of this magnitude you want someone in jail this second, but there's so much to look at, and so many leads. They have a responsibility to do this right all the way.

I had the previous understanding the girls were laying, face up...this article says face down....which would make a big difference in this crime picture.

Quote: Taylor and Skyla were found lying face down in a ditch on the west side of the road.
It became Choate's crime scene, but because the nearest cell phone tower was to the east, it was Rice's office that got the emergency call that sent his deputies scrambling.....imo

[cloudajo]

http://newsok.com/help-with-case-comes-across-boundary-lines/article/3260415/?tm=1214085708

His office has been used for interviews and for lie detector tests, but Rice said most of the loose ends have been tied up and investigators may be close to a big break in the case.

"I believe they are on the right track, and that it's not too far away,” he said. "This is definitely not a dead end as some people think. I know that with something of this magnitude you want someone in jail this second, but there's so much to look at, and so many leads. They have a responsibility to do this right all the way.

Thanks. They may have something or they may just be methodically going through every lead (hundreds?) they already have and are holding off for the time being on things like AMW.

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks. They may have something or they may just be methodically going through every lead (hundreds?) they already have and are holding off for the time being on things like AMW.

I don't know. All of a sudden I think something is going to happen this week to break this case.

With AMW not showing this segment convinces me they do have a suspect and they have found him.

They just have to be very careful nowadays and do the full investigation the proper way.

I really have hope now.

imoo

[evelyn24]

I don't know. All of a sudden I think something is going to happen this week to break this case.

With AMW not showing this segment convinces me they do have a suspect and they have found him.

They just have to be very careful nowadays and do the full investigation the proper way.

I really have hope now.

imoo

Me too..:clap:
Here's to hoping, anyway.

I don't think they want to arrest anyone yet until all loose ends are tied up and they have a strong case, because the poi could lawyer up in a second.

[cloudajo]

I had the previous understanding the girls were laying, face up...this article says face down....which would make a big difference in this crime picture.

Quote: Taylor and Skyla were found lying face down in a ditch on the west side of the road.
It became Choate's crime scene, but because the nearest cell phone tower was to the east, it was Rice's office that got the emergency call that sent his deputies scrambling.....imo

Mystery, thanks for pointing that out. What needs to be considered with that?

[Mysterylover]

No, I don't blame her a bit either. She isn't an expert.........she is just a grandma trying to make sense of a senseless situation. My heart goes out to all of them.

imoo
Very sad and scary..
I know they were Taylors grandparents, which leads some to look at them as older,
but in fact, they were young in my opinion, 48 years old....

correct me if I'm wrong about the ages.
all you guys are great websleuths with good common sense and idea's....

[cloudajo]

With what we do know about the 2 guns, would there typically be smoke or strong smell from guns while the guns were being fired, or would it depend?

[FlowerChild]

Very sad and scary..
I know they were Taylors grandparents, which leads some to look at them as older,
but in fact, they were young in my opinion, 48 years old....

correct me if I'm wrong about the ages.
all you guys are great websleuths with good common sense and idea's....
If you are speaking about the woman interviewed it was SKYLA's G-Mother (Rose Whitaker's Mother) who was interviewed. They (Skyla's maternal G-Parents) live nearby. Rose called her mother to the scene after she arrived and was told Skyla was dead. I think she (the G-Mother) said she did see Skyla's body at the scene.

My Opinion

[Mysterylover]

Mystery, thanks for pointing that out. What needs to be considered with that?
IMO, It says, either they were shot from behind, which means they could have been running from someone OR
if they were laying face up, as we read in the beginning, they would have been shot while facing the shooter..

Of course, if they were shot in the legs and arms, like was first mentioned, they could have been short from behind, possibly with a .22, and the larger automatic pistol used after they were down.....I think the only people that knows the exact way the girls was laying, is the people that was on the scene.

I also read, they were laying next to each other, then I read Taylor was laying near the road,
then another site said, Skylar was about 5 ft. back toward the weeds from Taylor and
then I read on another site they were laying about 8 ft. apart......all the true facts do matter....IF Skylar was 5-8 ft. from Taylor, I would assume she had enough notice of "something or someone" an was scared and backing away...
IF they lay side by side, seems they were "mowed down" with no warning.... I would assume was a "HIT".....:mad:..jmo

[FlowerChild]

I had the previous understanding the girls were laying, face up...this article says face down....which would make a big difference in this crime picture.

Quote: Taylor and Skyla were found lying face down in a ditch on the west side of the road.
It became Choate's crime scene, but because the nearest cell phone tower was to the east, it was Rice's office that got the emergency call that sent his deputies scrambling.....imo
The problem with that info is that it doesn't say in the article WHO said the bodies were face down in a ditch. The info is not attributed nor part of Choate's quote. And Rosser (OSBI) clearly described the scene in an interview for Greta VS's show and said and indicated that Taylor was in the ditch and Skyla was about 5' (or so) further off the road in the grassy/brushy area and both had their heads facing the roadway. Rosser was very clear that Skyla was not beside Taylor, but nearby - he was specifically pointing to a teddy bear at the memorial that would have placed Skyla sort of behind Taylor about 5-6 feet and to to one side.

The only person who would know for sure the face-up or face-down position would be Taylor's G-Pa (Peter Placker). He was the 1st person on the scene. The shots were described as "to the chest" (not to the back)- which tells me at least some of the gunshots were made while the girls were facing the shooter.

My question now is - were they KNEELING when they were shot? Shots just to the chest and head sounds like they could have been???

My Opinion

[FlowerChild]

My "sketch" of the scene Rosser (OSBI) described to Greta VS.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2080

I MADE THIS based on what Rosser said and indicated by pointing and gestures in the video. It is MY ANALYSIS only - drawn on a frame of the actual video of the scene. Rosser did NOT say if they were face up or face down.

My Opinion

[Mysterylover]

The problem with that info is that it doesn't say in the article WHO said the bodies were face down in a ditch. The info is not attributed nor part of Choate's quote. And Rosser (OSBI) clearly described the scene in an interview for Greta VS's show and said and indicated that Taylor was in the ditch and Skyla was about 5' (or so) further off the road in the grassy/brushy area and both had their heads facing the roadway. Rosser was very clear that Skyla was not beside Taylor, but nearby - he was specifically pointing to a teddy bear at the memorial that would have placed Skyla sort of behind Taylor about 5-6 feet and to to one side.

The only person who would know for sure the face-up or face-down position would be Taylor's G-Pa (Peter Placker). He was the 1st person on the scene. The shots were described as "to the chest" (not to the back)- which tells me at least some of the gunshots were made while the girls were facing the shooter.

My question now is - were they KNEELING when they were shot? Shots just to the chest and head sounds like they could have been???

My Opinion

Flower, sounds correct....The kneeling would have taken "time". I remember it said, T. was shot under the chin, exiting the top of the head...that "shot" leaves a question, also.
Do you think by Skyla being 5 ft. away from Taylor, in the thick weeds, was she backing away and getting ready to run?

OR was the girls coming out of the woods? Any thoughts?

[DeltaDawn]

I had wondered if they were in fact running to get away from something they saw and headed into the woods to try to hide. Maybe there is a path known to them in the woods that would have hidden them from the road, but parallel so they could still make it home.

Also we have discussed lots of info from witnesses that could ID the POI. Have there been any witnesses that came forward to say they saw the girls at anytime during their walk? Did they say where they saw them, what direction they were headed at that time and the time it was? That would seem as important as the POI. Perhaps someone saw the POI, lets say at the bridge and the girls at the bridge, and then the POI at the location near where the bodies were found..that person may have unknowingly have seen something else that they took as normal but was really abnormal for the girls. Hope that made some sense.

[FlowerChild]

I don't think they would have been in the woody/brushy area except to relocate a turtle off the road (which Taylor did like to do). The woody/brushy areas are full of ticks, chiggers and mosquitos - I don't think the girls were just hanging out or walking in there without a good reason.

Taylor fell practically ON the roadway - I think Skyla was trying to escape - maybe shot down mid-stride. And the only place to escape was toward the roadway - brush was pretty thick. She either was moving toward Taylor when she was shot (1st) or moving away from the shooter backward and then started to run forward when the shots started.

Or both girls could have been kneeling beside each other next to the road and Taylor fell where she was kneeling and Skyla was able to get up, step backward and stumble a few steps and then fell from a standing position a few feet from Taylor.

Don't know, just what I think might have happened - I do know that these were older girls who knew about ticks, chiggers, spiders, snakes etc and probably would not have been tromping around off a perfectly good road in waist- chest-high brush without a reason.

My Opinion

[CarpeDiem]

Don't know, just what I think might have happened - I do know that these were older girls who knew about ticks, chiggers, spiders, snakes etc and probably would not have been tromping around off a perfectly good road in waist- chest-high brush without a reason.

My Opinion

I don't know, most country kids do know about ticks, etc., but do they care, does it stop them from going in woods and exploring? I have yet to see that happen with my own kids. They only REALLY care about stuff like that when they become parents themselves and it's not about them.

[Mysterylover]

I had wondered if they were in fact running to get away from something they saw and headed into the woods to try to hide. Maybe there is a path known to them in the woods that would have hidden them from the road, but parallel so they could still make it home.

Also we have discussed lots of info from witnesses that could ID the POI. Have there been any witnesses that came forward to say they saw the girls at anytime during their walk? Did they say where they saw them, what direction they were headed at that time and the time it was? That would seem as important as the POI. Perhaps someone saw the POI, lets say at the bridge and the girls at the bridge, and then the POI at the location near where the bodies were found..that person may have unknowingly have seen something else that they took as normal but was really abnormal for the girls. Hope that made some sense.

DD...excellent questions.....whats behind those bushes and woods?... I would bet there a "deer paths" thru the brush & woods, there are where I live, wide enough to walk on..
IF the witnesses was close enough to see the PIO's eye color...I don't understand WHY they didn't know whether it was a chev. or ford truck.

Did they see the girls on the road at the SAME TIME...
IF so, where?
walking or running in what direction, and how close to this POI ?.....jmo

[Pocono Sleuther]

I don't know, most country kids do know about ticks, etc., but do they care, does it stop them from going in woods and exploring? I have yet to see that happen with my own kids. They only REALLY care about stuff like that when they become parents themselves and it's not about them.

It sure doesn't stop my girls!! LOL Yes, they know about bugs etc, but they'll still chase the frogs on their grandpa's land into the high grass.

I had NO idea T was shot under the chin. Where was that mentioned? That's an execution.

[FlowerChild]

I don't know, most country kids do know about ticks, etc., but do they care, does it stop them from going in woods and exploring? I have yet to see that happen with my own kids. They only REALLY care about stuff like that when they become parents themselves and it's not about them.
I was a country girl and by age 13 I did care about having to pick 100 seed-ticks off myself or having scratches and chigger bites all over my newly shaved legs....would their idol, Miley have ticks and bumps and scratches on her?

Plus, they went walking down a road IN SHORTS before Skyla's mother came to get her - not exploring in the brush and weeds - and the brush was high - would have been almost as tall as Skyla a few feet off the road there. Plus it might have been pretty muddy too - OK has been getting a LOT of rain this month.

Not to mention snakes, spiders etc......

And Taylor WASN'T off the road - she fell practically ON the roadway. I think they were on the road and the killer(s) approached them as they walked on the road.

My Opinion

[Mysterylover]

It sure doesn't stop my girls!! LOL Yes, they know about bugs etc, but they'll still chase the frogs on their grandpa's land into the high grass.

I had NO idea T was shot under the chin. Where was that mentioned? That's an execution.

Pocono...It doesn't stop any of mine from cutting through an area, to a field or river or picking black berries, or riding ATV's etc..
IF I'm not mistaken, I read where one of the grandmothers that was on the scene said this...moo

[noZme]

about discussion of the position of the bodies......the girls likely saw the gun & whether they froze in fear or tried to flee, i believe will be revealed in trial. using footprints, tiretracks, location of ejected casings & layout of the scene investigators probably have a good picture of the events. osbi knows much more than has been released. i think they may even have someone in custody but are not ready to charge him/them for this.* i do believe major news is coming soon.

if they fell forward or backward depends not only on what part of the body was shot, or if they were in motion. the intervals between shots & whether they were standing on perfectly level ground or one foot more into the ditch would have factored into the position. also. the shooter may have altered the positions...... this part of "sleuthing" is too upsetting to me & better left to the pros. i read every post & blurr the visuals that come with some. it is likely the last moments of conciousness were horrific & choose to not go there.

* remember taylor's step-brother in okc was arrested days after the murders? he had an outstanding warrant for some piddly offense. i think he declined to be interviewed when all the family was asked to make statements, so cops picked him up on that charge. that is an option often used by law enforcement... also just happening to see "failure to make a complete stop" , "unlit tag light" or any other little charge that will suffice to bring a person in for questioning on a completely different matter........ anyway, think it possible that someone, even the poi, is in custody now (but not in ofuskee county)... that is the only explanation i have for amw not mentioning this case last night. the producers of that show have a history of repect & cooperation with all investigative agencies so there is no other reason for a sensational case like this to not take center stage on at least 1 of the 2 week's programs since these children were murdered.

[Mysterylover]

I wish LE would have another short presser..just to update the public. Maybe address some of the rumors, if they can.

Eve...good ideas...keep it in the publics mind.

Another thing I've notice in reading the different articles is this:

Seems around 6 witnesses saw the POI on the dirt road that Sunday.
Some witnesses saw the girls, all in less that 1 hour.

What TIME did each witness see each person on that dirt road?

YET, I have not read anything about anyone seeing the girls laying beside the road murdered.

This leads me to believe the girls was killed, minutes before the grandfather walked down the road....jmo

[Littledeer]

FYI:

I have not heard anything yet on the forum request, but did send a followup email today on it.

Hopefully, since AMW did not air anything about Taylor and Skylar and the POI on Saturday night it does mean that the LE are close to making an arrest. :clap:

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think they would have been in the woody/brushy area except to relocate a turtle off the road (which Taylor did like to do). The woody/brushy areas are full of ticks, chiggers and mosquitoes - I don't think the girls were just hanging out or walking in there without a good reason.

Taylor fell practically ON the roadway - I think Skyla was trying to escape - maybe shot down mid-stride. And the only place to escape was toward the roadway - brush was pretty thick. She either was moving toward Taylor when she was shot (1st) or moving away from the shooter backward and then started to run forward when the shots started.

Or both girls could have been kneeling beside each other next to the road and Taylor fell where she was kneeling and Skyla was able to get up, step backward and stumble a few steps and then fell from a standing position a few feet from Taylor.

Don't know, just what I think might have happened - I do know that these were older girls who knew about ticks, chiggers, spiders, snakes etc and probably would not have been tromping around off a perfectly good road in waist- chest-high brush without a reason.

My Opinion

If Taylor free fell upon being hit then she would have been standing about four and a half to 5 feet away from where her head was resting when found. I would estimate her height maybe 4'10" to 5".

I think the uneven ditch area made these girls pitch forward. If their weight was not evenly distributed and they were leaning toward the road when hit then the gravity could cause them to fall forward where the least resistance was.

Or when they both were initially hit but still alive they may have thrown themselves to the ground in a protective mode and the last burst of shots were done as the girls were already laying there. The ME has not confirmed that what Skyla's grandmother has said is true. I just read an article that said none of the family members other than Peter saw the girls bodies before they saw them at the funeral home.

Now Skyla was probably not as tall as Taylor around 4'5" maybe and for her head to be positioned 5 feet away from Taylor she was most likely up on the rising sloped area standing closer to where it rises into the woods when hit.

This makes me believe that Taylor was shot first then Skyla but Skyla did not have much time to retreat either and only made it a short distance.

I have never seen a child worry about ticks and mosquitoes. That is why parents remain vigilant and usually inspects their child closely to make sure no ticks are embedded. They do the same for adults that go into wooded areas. Misquotes are just a way of life for those who live in rural country areas. Usually a parent will spray mosquito spray on the child before they venture out or if they are old enough they will do it when the parent reminds them to.

Many kids go bug hunting if they live in the country......looking for strange bugs.

imoo

[Littledeer]

FlowerChild:

In your picture of the memorial at the roadside with A & B being Taylor and Skylar where you thought they were positioned at, did you and other one else notice might be a entrance to a field?


The reason I am asking is this, in one of the earlier articles it mentioned that the memorial with the flowers was "near a field where the girls were found". I believe this is the link to that article. I have so many that I am tracking. Would that mean that right behind them was a field, or maybe down to the right or left of the memorial?

http://newsok.com/article/3254870

[T-Rex]

I don't see this being planned.
I think either the shooter had a grudge, and seized the opportunity, or he chose them at random.

[Tom'sGirl]

oceanblueeyes:

It was you that provided the picture of the memorial at the roadside with A & B being Taylor and Skylar where you thought they were positioned at. Right?
No, it wasn't ocean, see link by FC
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2316474&postcount=370

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes:

It was you that provided the picture of the memorial at the roadside with A & B being Taylor and Skylar where you thought they were positioned at. Right?

The reason I am asking is this, if one of the earlier articles it mentioned that the memorial with the flowers was "near a field where the girls were found". I believe this is the link to that article. I have so many that I am tracking. Would that mean that right behind them was a field, or maybe down to the right or left of the memorial?

http://newsok.com/article/3254870



No, I am sorry that wasn't me. I think it was FlowerChild if I am not mistaken.

I really don't know but it is common to see a grouping of thick trees and then an open field not to far away but from what I have seen of the crime scene I have not seen an open field being shown.

Sorry I couldn't be of help.

imoo

[GetSmart]

Wow, this really hits home. My FIL and his wife lived directly across the street from Graham School, and my two BIL's and nephew went there. We went down there to visit almost every weekend for years. They've since moved closer to Henryetta, and one of my BIL's works at the McD's there. Also, my nephew is a policeman in Henryetta! This is just crazy! I'm going to have to make some phone calls and see what I can report back.


Hello dasky!! Have you any news for us yet ?

[Littledeer]

Thanks Tom'sGirl!!

I went back and edited my original post.

:blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

No, I am sorry that wasn't me. I think it was FlowerChild if I am not mistaken.

I really don't know but it is common to see a grouping of thick trees and then an open field not to far away but from what I have seen of the crime scene I have not seen an open field being shown.

Tom'sGirl corrected me that it was not you but FlowerChild and I did go back and edited my original post.

Maybe the article was saying that behind where the girls were found is an open field as opposed to my thinking the girls were found away from the memorial site.

I was thinking that maybe the girls were in this field and saw something and then ran towards the road.

[Littledeer]

O/T:

Welcome to WS to any new sleuthers that I have not welcomed yet!!

[Claycat]

Disclaimer: These are images from my head! I have not actually seen these people. When I got the names Brian and Lazarus, these are like the images I got. I cannot draw as well as I used to; my vision is getting wonky. I just wanted to know if there might actually be people in the area like this. Thanks!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks Tom'sGirl!!

I went back and edited my original post.

:blowkiss:
From your link, did you view the footage taken at Taylor's funeral? I'm trying to figure out IF there was some problem/concern going on as I couldn't make out what was said as the audio isn't constant.
http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1606789529 (http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1606789529)

[SeekingJana]

As some of you know, I've been dealing with serious health issues along with a death in my immediate family.. I apologize in advance if my questions are either insensitive- appearing to those of you who have followed the murders from the beginning or if my questions are ill-informed. I have NOT had time to read all the locked threads because there is so much there.

Two thoughts came to mind immediately when I read of these little girls being shot and one is being discussed frequently.
That is that they came upon 2 people either dealing drugs or 1 person making a pickup of drugs. Of course, two people are more likely due to the 2 guns used and the fact that neither girl was able to run away.
So, with that in mind:
1) Does anyone know if drug- sniffing dogs have been sent to the area, and if not, do you have any speculation as to why not?

2) This question is a bit harder to ask and I mean no disrespect towards the families of either victim. One of the girls was being raised by her grandparents. My heart goes out to them. There have also been references to " unsavory things" in both family's backgrounds.
So my question is: Is there a party named by the courts to be financially responsible for either girl who is known to have ties to the criminal element in the area? If so, I would look right there first. In other words, to have the child killed to avoid any legal or financial responsibility. We see it happen so often with pregnant women, why not with children who may have a parent who is either financially strapped or possibly just now re-entering society and having to be responsible financially?

I know that one motive supposes that the girls came upon probably strangers, the other supposes a direct familial relationship. If they were running away, then something happened to alarm them. If I saw someone making a drug deal with another person, I probably wouldn't recognize it as such unless someone told me. Some of us have never been around that element of society and like children, probably wouldn't recognize what was happening. I wonder if one of these girls did recognize the man or one of the men.
Have neighbors all checked out clean?

Thank you for reading.
Maria

[Littledeer]

Tom'sGirl:

No I haven't viewed the video. I am on dial up and it usually takes forever and a day.........but I will now and maybe there is another video I can find for you on the funeral.

[SuziQ]

Disclaimer: These are images from my head! I have not actually seen these people. When I got the names Brian and Lazarus, these are like the images I got. I cannot draw as well as I used to; my vision is getting wonky. I just wanted to know if there might actually be people in the area like this. Thanks!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg

You are very artistic. What ages are you feeling these guys are?

[Tom'sGirl]

Tom'sGirl:

No I haven't viewed the video. I am on dial up and it usually takes forever and a day.........but I will now and maybe there is another video I can find for you on the funeral.

I have DSL, it's not my connection, but rather whomever took the footage, but thanks LD!

[SuziQ]

SeekingJana, I am so sorry you are having a rough time. I hope life is better for you soon.

#1, I don't know and that's an excellent idea.

#2 We could probably figure that out if we could figure out who Taylors biological parents were. So far we've had no luck.

[Claycat]

SuziQ, late teens, early twenties

[FlowerChild]

I have looked at several videos of the area - both by OSBI and various media and there may have been a field between the Placker home and where the girls were found. There is not one (that I can see) behind the girls for at least 50 feet (there is a LARGE tree back there almost dead center) and not a lot of the area between the girls and the bridge has been shown with any detail. I will look on Google and see if I can find an aerial shot of the location - that might help us. If I do I will put it in an album here so we can refer back.

The photo with t