Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #7

[close_enough]

I would think OSBI has investigated ATV tracks in the area. IMO the person is not local. With the average income less than $25,000, certainly $40,000 would be enough to make someone talk.

good point....

[oceanblueeyes]

GPa/Dad went to get the girls because Skyla's mom called and was on her way to PU Skyla. The girls hadn't returned and Taylor didn't answer her cell phone so GPa went to walk up the road and "hurry them" along. He wasn't worried, he just wanted to get Skyla home and ready for her Mom to pick her up.

My Opinion

Right. He explains everything in more detail in the People magazine article. It really is a heartbreaking story.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

sorry canal/ditch we use the them one in the same down here.

BTW Re: Mr Placker's interview, did anyone notice a tent in the background?

OK, gotcha, when we use "canal" it is filled with water.

[Beyond Belief]

I am sort of wanting to put up a poll on this case.

[cloudajo]

If it is the case and Taylor did tell on someone for their involvement in drugs, maybe it was a revenge killing.
Her grandfather keeps referring to "them" as if there is more than one killer. If it is two boys or young adults then he may be right. No one tried to hide the bodies, the overkill is ridiculous. A professional hitman wouldn't do so much overkill. Bullets from 2 different guns in each of the girls. Maybe it was 2 teenage boys shooting, making sure they each had an "equal part" in the killings. It also would explain the overkill and also that the bodies weren't hidden. They could have accessed the girls by ATVs then taken back off into the woods. Kids learn a lot from tv and video games. Maybe they thought they were being "big and bad" by gunning down 2 innocent girls. If the girls were having problems with any boys, and grandpa knew, then it would explain why he keeps referring to "them" and "they". Also if the boys are minors, that may be a roadblock if the parents are refusing to let LE talk to them or are creating an alibi.

To continue this as something to consider, am I allowed to post a similar rumor posted by someone that I read?

[Trino]

I am sort of wanting to put up a poll on this case.

While I believe a poll could work, I have reservations about involving the family. OSBI has eliminated them, and placing these poor people as part of it would be heart-breaking.

[GetSmart]

Trino I agree 100%

[cloudajo]

I would think OSBI has investigated ATV tracks in the area. IMO the person is not local. With the average income less than $25,000, certainly $40,000 would be enough to make someone talk.

Maybe someone has talked recently?

[oceanblueeyes]

While I believe a poll could work, I have reservations about involving the family. OSBI has eliminated them, and placing these poor people as part of it would be heart-breaking.

I totally agree, Trino. IMO we need to tread very lightly.. this afterall.... are the very people that loved Skyla and Taylor the most and the girls no doubt loved them very much too.

imo

[Beyond Belief]

poll is up

[gardenmom]

I enjoy reading everyone's theories and PI work.

This made me remember of something I read after this horrible massacre happened.
Please don't ask me to remember where I read it, I've done a lot of reading a lot of different places.
Someone said, " Two boys ages 18 and 19 yrs. had threatened to kill Taylor, because she had told on them/got them in trouble for DRUGS".....jmo

This has been bothering me since I first heard of this story. The summer after 3rd grade one of my friends was murdered. The killers were 3 people, 2 males and 1 female who thought she knew something about them that she was going to tell. I can't remember, but I think it may have been about drugs. I just went back last year and found articles about it since I was so young when it happened. They lured her over, kidnapped her, and took her to an abandoned building (right next to our school) and threw her out a window. They left her there to die. I think it is possible that this scenerio could be possible in this case. It's possible they were targeting just one girl and the other was just in the wrong place. :mad:

[gardenmom]

Thank you Littledeer & Spazkat, some posters are just a waste of time IMO. I do not post much but I have read this whole thread and many others. I try to only post REAL info.

I love WS new format but it did take me a while to find where the iggy is as I have not had to use it here since the 'Delia Cly' case... a case we actually solved.

Sly

Aha! Now I remember. Sly is the one who cracked that case wide open.:blowkiss:

[concernedperson]

Aha! Now I remember. Sly is the one who cracked that case wide open.:blowkiss:


Wasn't that a big hoax? That case, I mean.

[Tom'sGirl]

Wasn't that a big hoax? That case, I mean.
:crazy: Yep, that's the one cp!

[cloudajo]

NewsOK – June 22nd – Dad’s fun is fully automatic - (Pieces of the article snipped out below)

WYANDOTTE (OK) — Most fathers take their boys to play catch or fish or golf or hike. Mike Case (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Mike+Case&CATEGORY=PERSON) takes his boys to fire machine guns.

"How many other boys their age get to shoot a machine gun?” he asked.

Case and his boys — Caleb, 14; Colton, 10; and Connor, 8, all of Mustang — were planning to be among an expected crowd of more than 2,200 people at the eighth-annual Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot and Trade Show on Saturday in the woods outside Wyandotte. The two-day event, which began Saturday, offers a smorgasbord of activities for adrenaline junkies with a love of powerful firearms.

Spectators plunk down a $10 entrance fee to witness such fan favorites as the "Sniper Match” and "Kill the Car,” in which an unmanned vehicle is rolled down a hill into a hailstorm of machine gun fire. At that moment, the rattle of automatic weapons is deafening.

By day, Case is a sergeant with the Oklahoma City Police Department. By night, he is a self-admitted gun fanatic.

Caleb, Colton and Connor routinely host paintball parties on the rural acreage outside Mustang, often coaxing their father into the action. The site is complete with a makeshift fort made of wood, plastic pipes, camouflage and a bunker. A wooden tower is now being construction. Beyond the barbed wire fence that frames their yard is a creek and 2 square miles of woods that provide the boys with endless settings for their war-game adventures. "We love firing guns,” said Caleb, the oldest. "BB guns, paintball guns, water guns, you name it. It's an adrenaline rush.”

Avoiding the stereotype - "I've had people say, ‘Oh my gosh, you let your boys play with guns?'” Pam said. "They're not just lying around. It's not like we have guns sitting on the nightstand or up on a shelf somewhere.”

http://newsok.com/dads-fun-is-fully-automatic/article/3260428/undefined?pg=1 (http://newsok.com/dads-fun-is-fully-automatic/article/3260428/undefined?pg=1)

[concernedperson]

Whoa, that is interesting.It explains the mindset that I feel about this case.

[cloudajo]

Witnesses (Combined)
If I heard Brown correctly in a news conference, she said there were no more than a ½ dozen combined witnesses (unless more came forward after that). At least 2 witnesses about 1 mile away heard shots, several saw POI on the road near where the girls were killed (but we don’t know if they saw the girls alive), at least one witness said he was driving on County Line Road and saw the girls walking together.

Witnesses who saw POI:
· Brown: “There were several people who were actually driving by the area who noticed him and came forward in the last few days.”
· OSBI website: During the many interviews conducted by agents, several people revealed they saw a Native American male near where the girls were killed.
· OSBI believes he was at the scene minutes before the two girls were shot and killed.
· The OSBI website says: "This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found."
· And Brown also said: "He was stopped on the road actually kind of blocking the way there, standing outside his pickup truck, doing something," she said. "And they couldn't really tell what he was doing, so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious."

Male Witness who saw the girls walking on the road together (supposedly minutes before shots were heard):
· Ben Rosser, special agent for the OSBI, said the witness was driving along County Line Road (N. 3890 Road), when he saw the two girls walking together. Rosser on Thursday described the witness, whom he would not identify, as very credible.
· The OSBI agent, however, declined to say what else the eyewitness saw — whether he saw other people along the road or perhaps a vehicle passing him. "That's something for the killers to think about," he said.

Witnesses who heard gunshots:
· Brown also said Friday that a handful of witnesses have come forward to say they heard gunshots, which helps investigators piece together a timeline for the murders.
· Witness Rebecca Kelough (and her son): Reporter: Rebecca Kelough lives less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. Kelough: “The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went de de de de de de, de de de de de, and then de de de. And my son and I were outside. He heard it also.”

[GetSmart]

cloudajo THANKS that was great. I saved it on my comp for reference.

[Morag]

To continue this as something to consider, am I allowed to post a similar rumor posted by someone that I read?

Did anybody say "no"? :confused:

[close_enough]

so it appears witnesses saw only one man outside the truck on the road, near where the girls were found....wonder if the only reason they think there were two shooters, is because of the two guns?.....one man could have used two guns, easily, imo......use one gun first on both the girls, then get the other gun & use it also...would only take seconds to get a pistol out of your pocket & use it last....

[Ruflossn]

Morag~

No one said, "no". But, don't take my word that it is okay to post your info. I am a newbie here and still learning.

[Ruflossn]

Oops~ maybe I should have addressed that to Cloudajo. See what I mean, still learning......................:crazy:

[GetSmart]

I was leaning towards finger prints on shell casings, maybe they got some partial prints is where the 2 shooter idea came into play other than the different types fired. jmo

[close_enough]

To continue this as something to consider, am I allowed to post a similar rumor posted by someone that I read?

i wish you would...i'd be interested

[close_enough]

I was leaning towards finger prints on shell casings, maybe they got some partial prints is where the 2 shooter idea came into play other than the different types fired. jmo

aahhhhh, ok....makes sense..thanks:)

[RoseRed]

To continue this as something to consider, am I allowed to post a similar rumor posted by someone that I read?

Yes, please, I am also interested.

[SLY]

Aha! Now I remember. Sly is the one who cracked that case wide open.:blowkiss:

Nope but thanks, it was everyones work. I just read through all the FACTS that y'all had already gathered.
So many had worked so very hard, if all that work had not been done & there for me to stumble on & the name Sly & Cly so similar Delia would still have her photo probable on Childseek Network.

Wish we could do the same to this case. It so sucks feeling so helpless & I don't understand why there is not more info in a town of that size.


Sly

[close_enough]

This has been bothering me since I first heard of this story. The summer after 3rd grade one of my friends was murdered. The killers were 3 people, 2 males and 1 female who thought she knew something about them that she was going to tell. I can't remember, but I think it may have been about drugs. I just went back last year and found articles about it since I was so young when it happened. They lured her over, kidnapped her, and took her to an abandoned building (right next to our school) and threw her out a window. They left her there to die. I think it is possible that this scenerio could be possible in this case. It's possible they were targeting just one girl and the other was just in the wrong place. :mad:

yes, i'm thinkin that's possible also.....

such a horrible story about your friend:(

[SLY]

Wasn't that a big hoax? That case, I mean.

Yes it was, a very sick hoax that hurt many, many people. I titled the thread "Delia Cly is a HOAX" when I had the facts: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39205&page=3

But this killing of 2 little girls is not a hoax put on by a sad mentally ill person that fooled so very many people and organizations & I wish so much that we knew more & could actually help.

Sly

[cloudajo]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

which got me to remember and look for this…

June 12th – Lead Agent Rosser
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)

[gardenmom]

cloudaho, that is interesting and it wouldn't surprise me at all.

[close_enough]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

which got me to remember and look for this…

June 12th – Lead Agent Rosser
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)

hmmm, well that's interesting.....but what about this grown man in the middle of the road, outside his truck, i wonder...could he have just been someone passing by, noticed the girls off the side of the road, got scared, & jumped back in his truck?....but why would he be practically in the middle of the road, as if making a U-turn?...i guess it's possible he saw them, made a U-turn to get a better look, then left the scene......

eta...thanks for the info!

[Ruflossn]

Cloudajo~

That rumor sounds very plausible to me. We commented earlier that we wish someone locally could shed some light on the towns people knowledge or thoughts on what happened to cause these two beautiful girls to be killed so ruthlessly. Thanks for the input.

[txsvicki]

Nope but thanks, it was everyones work. I just read through all the FACTS that y'all had already gathered.
So many had worked so very hard, if all that work had not been done & there for me to stumble on & the name Sly & Cly so similar Delia would still have her photo probable on Childseek Network.

Wish we could do the same to this case. It so sucks feeling so helpless & I don't understand why there is not more info in a town of that size.


Sly

I never read much here about that case. Is it the one that turned out to be a lady with mental problems (verified by her husband) and never had been missing or taken as a little girl?

[close_enough]

Cloudajo~

That rumor sounds very plausible to me. We commented earlier that we wish someone locally could shed some light on the towns people knowledge or thoughts on what happened to cause these two beautiful girls to be killed so ruthlessly. Thanks for the input.

it does to me too....this kept nagging at me as a revenge killing, for some reason...

[Ruflossn]

hmmm, well that's interesting.....but what about this grown man in the middle of the road, outside his truck, i wonder...could he have just been someone passing by, noticed the girls off the side of the road, got scared, & jumped back in his truck?....but why would he be practically in the middle of the road, as if making a U-turn?...i guess it's possible he saw them, made a U-turn to get a better look, then left the scene......

eta...thanks for the info!


Perhaps the two shooters could have been the young student and the older drug dealer? Just thoughts and truly I do not have the where with all to start thinking along a new thought pattern tonight. This case just emotionally wears me out. I feel so badly for the family members of the two girls. I can't imagine the emotions they have felt for the past two weeks. So sad~

[cloudajo]

I was leaning towards finger prints on shell casings, maybe they got some partial prints is where the 2 shooter idea came into play other than the different types fired. jmo

I sure hope they were able to get some prints.

Here is the evidence I noted that Brown mentioned earlier on.

Brown: Evidence from scene includes tire tracks, footprints, ballistics, DNA/blood evidence – blood is probably the girls but we still have to test. (All taken to crime laboratory.)

MSNBC Video – Jun 11th
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25098696#25098696 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25098696#25098696)

[close_enough]

Perhaps the two shooters could have been the young student and the older drug dealer? Just thoughts and truly I do not have the where with all to start thinking along a new thought pattern tonight. This case just emotionally wears me out. I feel so badly for the family members of the two girls. I can't imagine the emotions they have felt for the past two weeks. So sad~

yeah, it's sad....wonder if the girl's parents knew she'd been threatened by this kid?

[txsvicki]

I hope they are putting the squeeze on the boy's parents if this is true. If the NA man was not involved, I hope he's not laying dead somewhere and his truck hidden.

[close_enough]

I hope they are putting the squeeze on the boy's parents if this is true.

ditto!....if this is true, LE will find this kid..

[Ruflossn]

I was wondering if the girls were out of school at the time of the murders? If not, I wonder if school authorities would have known of the supposed threat? I remember reading an article that included quotes from the school principal. He seemed like he was very involved with the students and deepley saddened by the murders.

[KR2tonenow]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

which got me to remember and look for this…

June 12th – Lead Agent Rosser
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)

If this is the case, I gather OSBI would have interviewed this boy by now.
But could be a possibilty for sure!

[Ruflossn]

ditto!....if this is true, LE will find this kid..

You are right, if this turns out to be a "kid" that did this, it will only be a matter of time B4 he is found. I say that because I think of hardened criminals as knowing how to duck, cover and run better than a pissed off kid.

[SLY]

I never read much here about that case. Is it the one that turned out to be a lady with mental problems (verified by her husband) and never had been missing or taken as a little girl?

Kinda sorta of... she did not have a husband at the time but a few ex's. But it was verified by many people in the end. Sadly there was also a crooked sheriff in on it too who was also in some other trouble. Hard to remember with out rereading as it was 2 years ago

Sly

[cloudajo]

I was wondering if the girls were out of school at the time of the murders? If not, I wonder if school authorities would have known of the supposed threat? I remember reading an article that included quotes from the school principal. He seemed like he was very involved with the students and deepley saddened by the murders.

I was wondering when school let out too.

[KR2tonenow]

I was wondering when school let out too.
I thought it was stated the Friday, before the murder on Sunday.

[cloudajo]

Is this the school?

May 9 Last Day of School

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htm

[close_enough]

I was wondering if the girls were out of school at the time of the murders? If not, I wonder if school authorities would have known of the supposed threat? I remember reading an article that included quotes from the school principal. He seemed like he was very involved with the students and deepley saddened by the murders.


good question about the school authorities knowing or not.....school let out here, May 22nd....the girls were killed June 8th....i'm not saying that OK schools would end for the summer the same as TN, but i would say the girls would probably have been in school, when/if this happened....(going back two weeks & all)

[SLY]

I'm hoping for prints on the casings also. But should there also be good tire or foot prints also???

I remember a case long ago where a Mother found the car that ran over her Daughter. She did so much work on her own searching but did indeed find the one responsible.

Guess we don't have any locals but would there be good tracks??? Is that why LE said they died where they were shot because they could tell that there were no signs in the dirt of the girls trying to get away from their killer???

I can't help but feel these two precious girls knew their killer.

Sly

[Ruflossn]

I promised myself (and my family) that I would get off this computer at 11:00. (I am on CST) I can not get sucked into another late night of Websleuthing!!!! I think I need help. :)

G'night All~

[txsvicki]

If one of the girls had told on a boy, you'd think that he would have been in jail or juvie or even arrested for questioning by now if he'd been selling drugs. Maybe the kid, if it's true, was seen doing drugs and his parents were told instead of any school or LE authorities. There might not be a drug dealer involved.

[close_enough]

Is this the school?

May 9 Last Day of School

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htm

hey, good catch!.....hmmm, the threat wouldn't have had to have been made IN school.....the poster only said "told on a boy at school"...meaning it was a classmate....still, very interesting...

[close_enough]

I promised myself (and my family) that I would get off this computer at 11:00. (I am on CST) I can not get sucked into another late night of Websleuthing!!!! I think I need help. :)

G'night All~

LOL....g'nite:)

[SeriouslySearching]

Quite a read! Interesting thoughts on the case.

Welcome to all the newbies! Glad you can join us~

AMW seems to be failing in a lot of ways lately. I wonder why? I was so disappointed last week when John Walsh or someone didn't simply take two seconds to hold up the sketch and now nothing?! They need to revamp perhaps and Walsh needs to ramp up that show to reflect more accuracy and up-to-date information.

Cloud, I was about to post that article on the kids and father doing the "sport" of fully automatic weapons. It does offer insight into the way men in OK raise their children...and the one in the story is LE! Go figure.

By day, Case is a sergeant with the Oklahoma City Police Department. By night, he is a self-admitted gun fanatic.

http://newsok.com/dads-fun-is-fully-automatic/article/3260428/?tm=1214180878

[close_enough]

If one of the girls had told on a boy, you'd think that he would have been in jail or juvie or even arrested for questioning by now if he'd been selling drugs. Maybe the kid, if it's true, was seen doing drugs and his parents were told instead of any school or LE authorities. There might not be a drug dealer involved.

that's possible, imo....

[RoseRed]

hey, good catch!.....hmmm, the threat wouldn't have had to have been made IN school.....the poster only said "told on a boy at school"...meaning it was a classmate....still, very interesting...

Yes it is interesting and makes as much sense as a "hit" because of family ties.

[SeriouslySearching]

Is this the school?

May 9 Last Day of School

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htmIt is possible there were days added on to the school year due to the ice storms during the winter months. They have to make up those days at the end of the year. May 9th is extremely early for school to be let out. Most schools let out near the end of May and some into June.

[close_enough]

Yes it is interesting and makes as much sense as a "hit" because of family ties.

i kept feeling like this was a revenge killing, but couldn't put my finger on exactly what person the revenge was being targeted toward...a family member or one of the girls themselves.....

[philamena]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are
SNIP
http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)

cloudajo,
That is interesting.
Personally, I don't think a young kid or a teen would shoot the girls as many times as they were shot. Know what I mean? I think a kid would shoot once or twice, get scared and run. I also don't think a kid would have the guts -for lack of a better term--to shoot the girls under the chin, at close range.

Anyone heard anything about forensics besides most won't be ready for weeks?

Has LE revealed how far away the shooter was from the girls? Can someone tell me if they were shot with a handgun or a rifle? TIA

[SeriouslySearching]

I hope they hold a presser tomorrow. The lack of information this past week has been frustrating.

Rehashing everything, I think I will have to go back to my original thoughts on this case. Drugs and the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[close_enough]

cloudajo,
That is interesting.
Personally, I don't think a young kid or a teen would shoot the girls as many times as they were shot. Know what I mean? I think a kid would shoot once or twice, get scared and run. I also don't think a kid would have the guts -for lack of a better term--to shoot the girls under the chin, at close range.
Anyone heard anything about forensics besides most won't be ready for weeks?

Has LE revealed how far away the shooter was from the girls? Can someone tell me if they were shot with a handgun or a rifle? TIA

sadly, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the shooter was a kid (11, 12, 13 yrs old)
.....

[philamena]

I hope they are putting the squeeze on the boy's parents if this is true. If the NA man was not involved, I hope he's not laying dead somewhere and his truck hidden.

:eek: Good point txsvicki. Someone could have taken things into their own hands without knowing if they had the right guy.

[philamena]

sadly, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the shooter was a kid (11, 12, 13 yrs old)
.....

close_enough,
I hope not. I suppose that could happen, especially in this day and time when sadly, crime is practically a sport. :(

[Tom'sGirl]

Has LE revealed how far away the shooter was from the girls? Can someone tell me if they were shot with a handgun or a rifle? TIA
No, they haven't philamena, that will probably be determined by Forensic experts.

They haven't released info. on what caliber casing they found either, may be a small caliber rifle like a .22 and a handgun, just dunno.

[Tom'sGirl]

sadly, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the shooter was a kid (11, 12, 13 yrs old)
.....
Very well could be close. It could have been kids driving a truck and kids riding in the back of a truck who did the shooting

[RoseRed]

sadly, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the shooter was a kid (11, 12, 13 yrs old)
.....

I totally agree and have felt revenge from another child/teen/early twenties all along. Young people are capable of horrendous crimes as we see in the news all the time.

[philamena]

No, they haven't philamena, that will probably be determined by Forensic experts.

They haven't released info. on what caliber casing they found either, may be a small caliber rifle like a .22 and a handgun, just dunno.
Tom'sGirl,
Thanks so much for the info.

[Victor]

My conclusion, so far:

It seems like it had to be two different shooters. That is, if the girls weren't tied up, and they were both shot in the front part of their heads.

Otherwise if it was just one shooter, both of the girls wouldn't have been shot in the chest & facial area. After the first girl was shot by the 'supposed' lone gunman (if the girls were just walking along the road), the 2nd girl would have screamed 'bloody murder' at the top of her lungs, and run like hell. At that point you couldn't shoot her in the chest & face anymore. Maybe in the back, or the back of her head as she was running. But then her body would have been found many yards away from her friend's, which it wasn't.

Nope, it seems like the girls were ambushed head-on in a lightning-like strike by 2 cold-blooded murderers.

By the way, the stories say the girls were shot in the head. But I don't think any of the reports so far have said what part of the head. Front, back, side? (Except maybe one was shot under her chin?)

Anybody know? :confused:

[Tom'sGirl]

My conclusion, so far:

It seems like it had to be two different shooters. That is, if the girls weren't tied up, and they were both shot in the front part of their heads.

Otherwise if it was just one shooter, both of the girls wouldn't have been shot in the chest & facial area. After the first girl was shot by the 'supposed' lone gunman (if the girls were just walking along the road), the 2nd girl would have screamed 'bloody murder' at the top of her lungs, and run like hell. At that point you couldn't shoot her in the chest & face anymore. Maybe in the back, or the back of her head as she was running. But then her body would have been found many yards away from her friend's, which it wasn't.

Nope, it seems like the girls were ambushed head-on in a lightning-like strike by 2 cold-blooded murderers.

By the way, the stories say the girls were shot in the head. But I don't think any of the reports so far have said what part of the head. Front, back, side? (Except maybe one was shot under her chin?)

Anybody know? :confused:

The girls, who were best friends, were shot a number of times in the head and chest with weapons of two different calibers, leading authorities to think two gunmen were involved.

http://www.kansascity.com/440/story/662917.html

[philamena]

Welcome Victor.
The OSBI said the girls were shot in the head. One of the grandma's said the girls were shot under the chin with the bullet exiting through the back of the head.

[KR2tonenow]

Welcome Victor.
The OSBI said the girls were shot in the head. One of the grandma's said the girls were shot under the chin with the bullet exiting through the back of the head.

Welcome Victor. These girls had no chance to run.

[Fairy1]

I do not believe it will be a teenager or random killing. Everything here points to a professional hit - IMO. Under the chin? Jeez. I also do not believe the POI is the actual killer. This was a "country" road, but there seems to have been a lot of traffic on that road. Anyone familiar with the area would have known that. Honestly don't kinow what to think here. My heart goes out to the families. Poor little babies. Whatever happened, they did absolutely nothing wrong - ever at all.

[evelyn24]

I'm not sure the grandmother was correct with her 'under the chin' comment. Also, the way the ear witnesses have described the gun fire, it seems like one shooter.

[Victor]

Welcome Victor.
The OSBI said the girls were shot in the head. One of the grandma's said the girls were shot under the chin with the bullet exiting through the back of the head.

and KR2TONENOW wrote:

"Welcome Victor. These girls had no chance to run."

Thanks for the inputs. Both of which confirm my above deductions, which point to 2 killers.

[RoseRed]

I'm not sure the grandmother was correct with her 'under the chin' comment. Also, the way the ear witnesses have described the gun fire, it seems like one shooter.

Maybe, but have you noticed that was the last interview by anyone in Skyla's family. Also the MySpace page for the McDonald's person stated there is more that happened but she would not say more because LE have not given more information. I believe there were injuries that have not been made public and there is more to this than we are aware of.

[txsvicki]

If the boy who one of the girls got into trouble threatened to kill is the one who ran away, and is the one that "isn't so easy to find" he may not be a young teen. If the parents won't turn him in as a runaway then he could be around age 17, but still considered a minor. If a kid that age hung around the bridge and maybe at school offering drugs, doing drugs and causing trouble he could be a sociopath and capable of shooting someone. Usually those types get into trouble and go on a rampage at the school, but this could be different. This scenario could also account for someone knowing the girls recent habits, possibly even a few phone calls with others who unknowingly told him their plans to go walking. I hope we hear something this week and I hope the NA man is cleared, because I'm also one who wasn't so sure that he did it. I thought he was waiting there for someone to bring something stolen to him that he needed, which could still be possible, and even involving this boy.

[Patience]

Please may we have a forum for this case? Pleeese?

I believe that the girls were going to tell on someone for something criminal, i.e. molestation or other criminal activity. Taylor wanted to be a forensic scientist and was a member of SWAT thus appeared to be a proactive and responsible member of her community and would go to the authorities or a trusted adult if she had information and the perp knew this and was angry and wanted to silence them.

[cloudajo]

NewsOK - Mon, Jun 23rd
Investigators still tracking leads in girls' killing

WELEETKA -- Authorities say they have plenty of leads but no new developments in the slayings two weeks ago of two young girls on along a back country road near Weleetka.

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Oklahoma+State+Bureau+of+Investigation&CATEGORY=ORGANIZATION) spokeswoman Jessica Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) said Sunday investigators are still working leads in the killings of 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Taylor+Paschal-Placker&CATEGORY=PERSON) and 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Skyla+Whitaker&CATEGORY=PERSON).

Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) said OSBI agents spent the weekend re-canvassing the area where the girls bodies were found.

Brown (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Jessica+Brown&CATEGORY=PERSON) says a sketch produced of a possible witness has led to dozens of leads, but they still haven't identified the man.

http://newsok.com/investigators-still-tracking-leads-in-girls-killing/article/3260988/?tm=1214216342 (http://newsok.com/investigators-still-tracking-leads-in-girls-killing/article/3260988/?tm=1214216342)

[Littledeer]

Claudajo:

I see you already posted it!!

[Trino]

Good Morning. I turned in early last night and must say you all have been busy since then.

On the classmate...

The girls were in grades 5 and 6. Knowing how kids (even boys) gossip, I think classmates would have been tattling all over about another kids in their class. Then, too, I just don't see an adult helping a kid take out two girls, although stranger things have happened. I think OSBI is correct to focus on the adult male near the scene, but this guy most likely isn't local.

[Mysterylover]

Please may we have a forum for this case? Pleeese?
I believe that the girls were going to tell on someone for something criminal, i.e. molestation or other criminal activity.

Taylor wanted to be a forensic scientist and was a member of SWAT thus appeared to be a proactive and responsible member of her community and would go to the authorities or a trusted adult if she had information and the perp knew this and was angry and wanted to silence them.............

Good point, gonna tell or already told on someone.

YES, Taylor was headed in the right direction, to be a FINE young lady.
She was definately a "blessing" to those around her in the short time she was here....imo

[Mysterylover]

cloudajo,
That is interesting.
Personally, I don't think a young kid or a teen would shoot the girls as many times as they were shot. Know what I mean? I think a kid would shoot once or twice, get scared and run. I also don't think a kid would have the guts -for lack of a better term--to shoot the girls under the chin, at close range.

Anyone heard anything about forensics besides most won't be ready for weeks?

Has LE revealed how far away the shooter was from the girls? Can someone tell me if they were shot with a handgun or a rifle? TIA

I don't agree...Think about ALL the school shootings.
These kids have come-in to these school class-rooms with the guns blazing....
School had only been out about a week...so this could have been his 1st chance to get "even"....It could definately be a local teen...imo

[Claycat]

If the boy who one of the girls got into trouble threatened to kill is the one who ran away, and is the one that "isn't so easy to find" he may not be a young teen. If the parents won't turn him in as a runaway then he could be around age 17, but still considered a minor. If a kid that age hung around the bridge and maybe at school offering drugs, doing drugs and causing trouble he could be a sociopath and capable of shooting someone. Usually those types get into trouble and go on a rampage at the school, but this could be different. This scenario could also account for someone knowing the girls recent habits, possibly even a few phone calls with others who unknowingly told him their plans to go walking. I hope we hear something this week and I hope the NA man is cleared, because I'm also one who wasn't so sure that he did it. I thought he was waiting there for someone to bring something stolen to him that he needed, which could still be possible, and even involving this boy.

This is the thing I have been considering, too, Txsvicki. I also have the feeling the NA man in the drawing may have had nothing to do with it as well.

[oceanblueeyes]

............

Good point, gonna tell or already told on someone.

YES, Taylor was headed in the right direction, to be a FINE young lady.
She was definitely a "blessing" to those around her in the short time she was here....imo

Yes, she was. You can tell just by hearing her father speak that he was very proud of Taylor and had every right to be. He seemed very proud that Taylor was interested in forensics. He, after all, is the one that told everyone about what Taylor liked to do and what a wonderful young girl she truly was.

imoo

[Annie]

I don't agree...Think about ALL the school shootings.
These kids have come-in to these school class-rooms with the guns blazing....
School had only been out about a week...so this could have been his 1st chance to get "even"....It could definately be a local teen...imo

School had actually been out about a month. They started the school year early and got out early. I think posters had been posting that they had only recently finished the school year based on their own area. This calendar shows that school was out on May 9.

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htm

[oceanblueeyes]

If the boy who one of the girls got into trouble threatened to kill is the one who ran away, and is the one that "isn't so easy to find" he may not be a young teen. If the parents won't turn him in as a runaway then he could be around age 17, but still considered a minor. If a kid that age hung around the bridge and maybe at school offering drugs, doing drugs and causing trouble he could be a sociopath and capable of shooting someone. Usually those types get into trouble and go on a rampage at the school, but this could be different. This scenario could also account for someone knowing the girls recent habits, possibly even a few phone calls with others who unknowingly told him their plans to go walking. I hope we hear something this week and I hope the NA man is cleared, because I'm also one who wasn't so sure that he did it. I thought he was waiting there for someone to bring something stolen to him that he needed, which could still be possible, and even involving this boy.

Good morning txsvicki!

Where is this story coming from? Who said that she got a boy in trouble? Was it recently? What trouble did the boy get into?

Surely if that was true LE would have gone to him first thing, I would think.

thanks

[SeriouslySearching]

They are relatively certain he was involved in some way. It is possible there is more than one person, but the witnesses didn't get a clear description or perhaps see them at all. The NA man is going to be the key to solving this case. They need more information out to the public...such as narrowing down the year of the vehicle, the size of the boot print, and other things they do know as fact. It doesn't surprise me they haven't found him because of the many men who fit the same description in Oklahoma. People need more information.

[oceanblueeyes]

This is the thing I have been considering, too, Txsvicki. I also have the feeling the NA man in the drawing may have had nothing to do with it as well.

Why do you think that Clay? Even the police right now are still pursuing leads on this person.

I think he is very much real and deeply involved or OSBI would come out and state not to look for him anymore because they have found he was not a part of the murders.

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

School had actually been out about a month. They started the school year early and got out early. I think posters had been posting that they had only recently finished the school year based on their own area. This calendar shows that school was out on May 9.

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/calendar.htmAgain, the calendar could be wrong. They had several snow days to make up for the ice storms.

However, I don't really think it matters when they let school out. I don't believe a child was the killer and neither do LE. They are looking for a NA male who most likely had nothing to do with school.

[oceanblueeyes]

They are relatively certain he was involved in some way. It is possible there is more than one person, but the witnesses didn't get a clear description or perhaps see them at all. The NA man is going to be the key to solving this case. They need more information out to the public...such as narrowing down the year of the vehicle, the size of the boot print, and other things they do know as fact. It doesn't surprise me they haven't found him because of the many men who fit the same description in Oklahoma. People need more information.

Yes, they do, SS. It seems that no other witness has come forward stating they saw any other suspcious person on the road that day. By all accounts he was alone.

I am hoping upon hope that they did the forensics they should have done. I was little taken aback when the officer was talking about the boot print and tire prints. He said they photographed them. Surely they made cast impressions right away before the rains came?

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

I am not certain we need a forum yet. So far, we have few facts and lots of speculation. (To my knowledge, WS doesn't have "intuition" threads either as we try to stay away from those things.)

[SeriouslySearching]

Ocean, it is possible because of the makeup of the road itself that casting wasn't possible. The dirt road might not have supported the mixture to bring out the detail. They can tell as much from clear photographs so this part doesn't worry me.

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, it is possible because of the makeup of the road itself that casting wasn't possible. The dirt road might not have supported the mixture to bring out the detail. They can tell as much from clear photographs so this part doesn't worry me.

They have become so high tech today they can retrieve almost any impression. They use to use heavy thick plaster that worked better if the impression had some depth to it but now that they use a latex thin material they don't need the impression to be a certain way. It will pick up the most minute detail. Much clearer than a photograph.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

If the dirt on the road is mere dust...it won't stand up to casting even with the latex. With photographs, they can make overlays of the impressions to create a comparison method. They use this technique for many things and it is effective.

[SeriouslySearching]

Time for a new thread! Please continue here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2318281#post2318281

[oceanblueeyes]

If the dirt on the road is mere dust...it won't stand up to casting even with the latex. With photographs, they can make overlays of the impressions to create a comparison method. They use this technique for many things and it is effective.

I respect your opinion but I disagree on this one. Impression casting can be made on soil just like what is on this road.

LE takes shoe and tire impressions often on dirt roads just like this one.


And yes, they will photograph the prints also.

Hopefully they have done both because there are times that the photographs are unclear and we know it rained and then the road was scraped shortly thereafter.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66442 :)

[MeoW333]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

which got me to remember and look for this…

June 12th – Lead Agent Rosser
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)

If that is true, it would explain Rosser's comment in the article and also explain why the girls didn't run. They knew the killers, yet had no idea what was coming.

[SeriouslySearching]

MeoW~ I moved your post here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2318696#post2318696