Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #7

[Littledeer]

Please continue here.

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Thread 6:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66279 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66279)

[Littledeer]

MissHolmes Family Tree for the Plackers:

http://placker.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=placker&view=9&rand=767200765

MissHolmes Family Tree for the Whitakers:
http://whitakertree.tribalpages.com/

If you have not requested a password to view these trees, you can pm MissHolmes.

[Littledeer]

POI:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/POI1.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

[GetSmart]

Do we have a summary page of all the FACTS yet? I was just thinking about it. I know they are few in between. I think there was a summary somewhere posted for the new people but I can't find it, or is something that is only done when there is a forum page created for the topic?

[Littledeer]

Thank you chicoliving!!!!!!!!! :blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

GetSmart:

No summary of ALL the facts yet. MissHolmes and I have been very busy tonight gathering up information in case we can get a forum. But there is no recap of ALL the facts from what I know.

Anyone??

[GetSmart]

I was going to try & work on something later on tonight for my own sake. If I get anywhere I will pm you.

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

:blowkiss: Sorry, I was trying to sneak in this thread. :)

I hope your still around.

Just read the last page of the last thread. Some interesting information. Want me to bring it over??

What else should be here??

[MissHolmes]

There was a a very nice recap done by FlowerChild awhile back. If we had a forum it would be so handy. To the mods: :blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

I'm sorry MissHolmes. That is what I copied. Thanks for the correction!!!

I'll go back and delete my thread to it!!!

[MissHolmes]

Oh LittleDeer, since you asked I have about 100 links so far for the forum if our prayers are answered.

And very dissappointed there has been no news from LE on this case.

[Littledeer]

LE has been very quiet. Way tooooooo quiet. Nothing for how many days now??

Not even a peep. Something is definately up. I even had a thought on my way to work this morning that they did have the POI, but couldn't say so in case he would be murdered, etc. All sorts of thoughts going through my mind.

[MissHolmes]

Tonight:

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_172185516.html

Officials continue search for suspect in Weleetka murders

OSBI Public Information Officer Jessica Brown said the television show America’s Most Wanted aired a short synopsis about the crime Saturday. There will be another airing this Saturday if no suspect or suspects are found by then...............

[Littledeer]

I haven't had a chance to read much in the latter part of thread 6, but this caught my eye.

Thought I would bring it forward.

According to the article in the June 30 People MAgazine, TAylor had just RECENTLY (a few months ago) been allowed to walk the area around their home.
The girls were 1st told NO when they asked permission to walk to the bridge, but then the GParents thought it would be something for them to do while waiting for Skyla's Mom to call and said OK. Peter (GPa) expected them to be home by the time Skyla's Mother arrived so he called them on Taylor's phone (getting no answer) and then went out to get them.

According to this article it was 1/2 mile to the bridge - a one mile round trip. This is so sad, but the girls had a shed they painted and made into a clubhouse in the backyard area of the Placker Property where they "hung out, had their posters, etc.

My Opinion

[Littledeer]

OSBI Public Information Officer Jessica Brown said the television show America’s Most Wanted aired a short synopsis about the crime Saturday. There will be another airing this Saturday if no suspect or suspects are found by then...............

I don't want to sound nasty, but what the heck. Sounds like, well, we will just sit back for a week, and if nothing happens, then we will try again.

Is it just me?????

[MissHolmes]

I don't want to sound nasty, but what the heck. Sounds like, well, we will just sit back for a week, and if nothing happens, then we will try again.

Is it just me?????

What struck me is maybe they will release a few tidbits on AMW this Saturday night if they don't find the POI.

[evelyn24]

I haven't had a chance to read much in the latter part of thread 6, but this caught my eye.

Thought I would bring it forward.

According to the article in the June 30 People MAgazine, TAylor had just RECENTLY (a few months ago) been allowed to walk the area around their home.
The girls were 1st told NO when they asked permission to walk to the bridge, but then the GParents thought it would be something for them to do while waiting for Skyla's Mom to call and said OK. Peter (GPa) expected them to be home by the time Skyla's Mother arrived so he called them on Taylor's phone (getting no answer) and then went out to get them.

According to this article it was 1/2 mile to the bridge - a one mile round trip. This is so sad, but the girls had a shed they painted and made into a clubhouse in the backyard area of the Placker Property where they "hung out, had their posters, etc.

My Opinion

This story is in the new People on the stands now?

[Littledeer]

Bringing forward the last part of the topic from thread 6.


This is so sad, but the girls had a shed they painted and made into a clubhouse in the backyard area of the Placker Property where they "hung out, had their posters, etc.

Hello!! Maybe the prowlers the other nite was looking for something in the shed!!

[evelyn24]

I don't want to sound nasty, but what the heck. Sounds like, well, we will just sit back for a week, and if nothing happens, then we will try again.

Is it just me?????

I don't read it that way. It sounds as if Brown is saying AMW is reairing the story this week, but only if there hasn't been any arrests by then.

[GetSmart]

This story is in the new People on the stands now?

I think this article has some clues in it. Like I said before in regards to the shed the girls made into a club house & the prowlers & the fact she had just been allowed to walk the area around the home. All I know those poor GPs how he must be beating himself up.

[GetSmart]

We must of posting at the same time. You can delete my post if you want.

[Littledeer]

Your probably right evelyn. I just needed to reread it.

Guess it's just my impatience getting in the way. I really thought that the killer and/or killers of these angels would have been done and over with by now.

RIP Taylor and Skylar

[KR2tonenow]

I think this article has some clues in it. Like I said before in regards to the shed the girls made into a club house & the prowlers & the fact she had just been allowed to walk the area around the home. All I know those poor GPs how he must be beating himself up.

is there a link for it?

[strach304]

Tonight:

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_172185516.html

Officials continue search for suspect in Weleetka murders

OSBI Public Information Officer Jessica Brown said the television show America’s Most Wanted aired a short synopsis about the crime Saturday. There will be another airing this Saturday if no suspect or suspects are found by then...............

Hey, you guys notice that in this version it says the witness said the POI was sitting down. Others stated standing in front of the truck and others said beside the truck with the door open. Important to me and others because we've been looking for a man 6 feet tall but you can't tell tell that if he's sitting down. Hopefully an error in this report only.

[KR2tonenow]

Hey, you guys notice that in this version it says the witness said the POI was sitting down. Others stated standing in front of the truck and others said beside the truck with the door open. Important to me and others because we've been looking for a man 6 feet tall but you can't tell tell that if he's sitting down. Hopefully an error in this report only.

"sitting" outside of his pickup. First time I have seen that. Amazing that there have been 3 instances/witnesses of this POI. But NOONE seeing the shooting, hmmmm.

[strach304]

I think this article has some clues in it. Like I said before in regards to the shed the girls made into a club house & the prowlers & the fact she had just been allowed to walk the area around the home. All I know those poor GPs how he must be beating himself up.

What if something had been dropped on that road or the woods and they were there looking for it. For some reason they thought the girls got possesion of it?

I just read a story on AMW's website where there was a murder committed because the package of drugs was delivered to the neighbors house.

[MissHolmes]

I looked for a link to the People Mag article but couldn't find one.

strach304: I noticed that too. Was he standing or sitting?? Maybe that came from a couple of different witnesses?

[oceanblueeyes]

Hey, you guys notice that in this version it says the witness said the POI was sitting down. Others stated standing in front of the truck and others said beside the truck with the door open. Important to me and others because we've been looking for a man 6 feet tall but you can't tell tell that if he's sitting down. Hopefully an error in this report only.

Well they have now said that more witnesses have come forward that saw him so maybe he was sitting back on the tailgate of his truck when the other witnesses saw him.

Maybe.

[oceanblueeyes]

"sitting" outside of his pickup. First time I have seen that. Amazing that there have been 3 instances/witnesses of this POI. But NOONE seeing the shooting, hmmmm.

It is easy though I would think to look up and down that road to make sure no one was coming before he raised the guns and fired. It only took such a very short time and it was over.

imoo

[GetSmart]

Have we checked on any crimes commited the week-weekend the girls were killed ? I just thought about that.

[tulsa]

Something besides just the name, linking Edward Gordon to Skyla.

This article about the trial in Kansas gives Ed's address as 202 E 20th St, Baxter Springs.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_128223625.html?start:int=15

This court record for Rose Marie Getman lists her address (in 2000 ) as the same place.

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058 (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058)-

[KR2tonenow]

Something besides just the name, linking Edward Gordon to Skyla.

This article about the trial in Kansas gives Ed's address as 202 E 20th St, Baxter Springs.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_128223625.html?start:int=15

This court record for Rose Marie Getman lists her address (in 2000 ) as the same place.

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058 (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058)-

There's a pic of Edward Gordon on this link.

[strach304]

what ya thinking Tulsa? Were they both living there together at the same time?

Welcome to websleuths :blowkiss:

[strach304]

Have we checked on any crimes commited the week-weekend the girls were killed ? I just thought about that.

No but where do we look? I was hoping for some news of a located body. That may tie in with a drug deal type execution orthe POI turning up dead, etc.

[MissHolmes]

This guy, Creech, was mentioned earlier on by SeriouslySearching. Thought I might put up the pictures. This guy Creech lives in Weleetka, and is listed in the sex and violent offender directory. Oklahome LE puts out warrants for arrests in Eastern Oklahoma just a couple of days ago. I just wonder if anything could be connected here.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/sors.sor_data.retreive_img_data?no=49318

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/sors.sor_data.retreive_img_data?no=49225

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/images/Composite.jpg

[GetSmart]

Nunya, (6/15/2008 5:01:21 PM)
friends of ours own property out by keystone. even though their entire property is fenced. their three kids aged 10, 13 and 15 are not allowed to wander about their own property of 150 acres, let alone beyond their gate and onto the country roads around their property. they are scared to death of the low lifes and meth users living in the back hills. they recently got robbed during the daytime hours. there is not enough law enforcement to police the area thoroughly. they now have a security system that sends images of their property and home to their computers at work.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080614_12_Almos62838

I found this on a newspaper site link above. It tells its own story I think.

[oceanblueeyes]

This guy, Creech, was mentioned earlier on by SeriouslySearching. Thought I might put up the pictures. This guy Creech lives in Weleetka, and is listed in the sex and violent offender directory. Oklahome LE puts out warrants for arrests in Eastern Oklahoma just a couple of days ago. I just wonder if anything could be connected here.

MissHolmes, this guy just creeps me out. Remove the facial hair and he sure favors the composite. Isnt he a level three sex offender?

But surely this guy would be known in that area wouldnt he? Or has someone already identified him and this is why they may have an arrest warrant out for him.

Are they keeping this close to the vest until they nab him?

imo

[SuziQ]

This guy, Creech, was mentioned earlier on by SeriouslySearching. Thought I might put up the pictures. This guy Creech lives in Weleetka, and is listed in the sex and violent offender directory. Oklahome LE puts out warrants for arrests in Eastern Oklahoma just a couple of days ago. I just wonder if anything could be connected here.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/sors.sor_data.retreive_img_data?no=49318

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/sors.sor_data.retreive_img_data?no=49225

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/images/Composite.jpg

Is there an arrest warrant out for Creech? If so, that would be a suspicious coincidence.

[Leila]

Please continue here.

Thread 1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65845 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65845)

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Thread 3: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66072 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66072)

Thread 4: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66136 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66136)

Thread 5: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66203 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66203)

Thread 6:http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66279 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66279)

Thanks LIttledeer! You're doing a great job of starting a new thread and bringing all the pertinent information over to the new thread! :)

[Trino]

The guy is, indeed, creepy, although I don't believe this tragedy is related to a sex crime.

My theory:

The two girls - because they were walking - found a bag/box containing either drugs or cash. The POI may have been trolling the road and saw them pick it up. After the witness(es) drove by, he went after the girls. I also think he asked them for the bag/box, which they handed over to him. However, because he could be identified, he killed them. HE could mean more than one individual.

[evelyn24]

There probably wasn't a sex crime committed, but an attempted one that backfired or was foiled in some way causing this man to panic, and shoot the girls..IF it was a sex offender who did this.

[GetSmart]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_11_A1_hOSBIs543824

Joe Mosher, an uncle of Taylor, said the two families are still trying to cope with the death of the two girls.
"It's pretty tough for them. We're still trying to find out what happened, because this is tragic — just so tragic," Mosher said. "From what information we've received so far, I got a call from North Carolina of all places, saying there was two guns involved and maybe three people.

[T-Rex]

SuziQ--you asked about the post about heroin and the Tiger Mountain salvage yard, from the Topix board; here it is. (It's from Roy, the 'pot-stirrer,' though.)

#1109 "Hey, I would think that since tulsa and okc police havent seen any good horse in this neck of the woods for 20 some years that they might just find it interesting that the small amounts that they found in the past few month most likely came out of tigar mountain wrecking yard just up the road from waleetka. Those mexicans have been bringing alot of horses in and locking them in the big barn waiting for the buyer to must the funds to make the perchase. catch my drift? Watch those mongals. thenm some bad asses.. lmao."

That's pretty wild about ClayCat's Golden Arches vision panning out!!

[Leila]

Something besides just the name, linking Edward Gordon to Skyla.

This article about the trial in Kansas gives Ed's address as 202 E 20th St, Baxter Springs.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/siteSearch/apstorysection/local_story_128223625.html?start:int=15

This court record for Rose Marie Getman lists her address (in 2000 ) as the same place.

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058 (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=058-TRC%200005253&County=058)-

Welcome to Websleuths Tulsa! :)

Thanks for the information! This does prove a tie between Edward Gordon and Rose (Gordon) Whitaker.

[evelyn24]

I think it's a shame people are so pathetic and desperate for some kind of attention they would use the murder of two little girls to get that attention.
This "Roy" person is obviously a loser pretending he knows something with his little cryptic posts, and all for the purpose of attention..and look...he's being quoted here and on the CTV boards.
Mission accomplished.
I'm not faulting anyone here for quoting him, I just find it more than offensive this person "Roy" is playing games with such a tragedy. IMO

[SeriouslySearching]

I am just almost angry there has been nothing to report on this case. Surely, things are moving forward...but we sure aren't seeing it, if so! They were so good to hold pressers daily when this began and now it seems they are shifting over to a backburner already. I know they must be working on it, but it is in their best interest to have the public involved. To clam up and to give us nothing for so long only leads to more speculation. This case needs some facts and less speculation before it implodes. People are anxious, angry, and wanting some answers. Now it is a weekend and we know that there will be no real news. I hate to say it...but I think it means they really have nothing solid to go on at this point.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it's a shame people are so pathetic and desperate for some kind of attention they would use the murder of two little girls to get that attention.
This "Roy" person is obviously a loser trying to pretend he knows something for the purpose of attention..and look...he's being quoted here and on the CTV boards.
Mission accomplished.
I'm not faulting anyone here for quoting him, I just find it more than offensive that this person is playing games with such a tragedy. IMOHe is a troll. He gets his jollies from starting arguments and making absurd comments across the country most likely. No, people should not pay attention to that fool. He is offensive and means to be. Anytime you read the gossip section of a paper or a news outlet...you need to be aware of his kind and realize they are only there to get a rise out of people who actually fall for his "trolling abilities". They are everywhere.

[evelyn24]

I am just almost angry there has been nothing to report on this case. Surely, things are moving forward...but we sure aren't seeing it, if so! They were so good to hold pressers daily when this began and now it seems they are shifting over to a backburner already. I know they must be working on it, but it is in their best interest to have the public involved. To clam up and to give us nothing for so long only leads to more speculation. This case needs some facts and less speculation before it implodes. People are anxious, angry, and wanting some answers. Now it is a weekend and we know that there will be no real news. I hate to say it...but I think it means they really have nothing solid to go on at this point.
ITA.
I think it's either one of two things..1) the LE is on the trail of someone/people and they want the element of surprise, or 2) there is nothing new to report.

[s_finch]

SuziQ--you asked about the post about heroin and the Tiger Mountain salvage yard, from the Topix board; here it is. (It's from Roy, the 'pot-stirrer,' though.)

#1109 "Hey, I would think that since tulsa and okc police havent seen any good horse in this neck of the woods for 20 some years that they might just find it interesting that the small amounts that they found in the past few month most likely came out of tigar mountain wrecking yard just up the road from waleetka. Those mexicans have been bringing alot of horses in and locking them in the big barn waiting for the buyer to must the funds to make the perchase. catch my drift? Watch those mongals. thenm some bad asses.. lmao."

That's pretty wild about ClayCat's Golden Arches vision panning out!!


I went back and read and missed where her visioned panned out, can someone fill me in? Thanks!

[TeeOne]

People Magazine, page 114

Murder On A Country Road...

The brutal shooting deaths of tow young girls out for a stroll bring grief and fear to the quiet rural community of Weleetla, OK. by Howard Breuer



Afew months ago 13 year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker started pressing her family for more independence, including freedom to walk the area around her home in rural Weleeka, Okla. Reluctantly her grandmother Vicky Placker, who along with Taylor's grandfather Peter had raised Taylor as their own child, agreed. "'You know, you've got to face it, I'm getting older,'" Vicky, 47 recalls Taylor saying. :So, I started to let her walk in front of the house but reminded her, 'It don't matter how old you get, Taulor, 'till the day that I die, you gonna be my baby.'"

But on June 8 the family's worst fears came true. That Sunday afternoon Taylor and her best friend, Skyla Whitaker, 11, asked if they could walk a half mile up a dirt road to a bridge over a creek. "At first I told her no, but then I figured it would be okay because it was something they could do before Skyla's mother picked her up," says Peter, 48, a mechanic who moved the family from Oklahoma City three years ago in search of a safer environment. When the girls didn't return as quickly as expected or answer Taylor's cell phone, Peter went looking for them. He came upon their bodies in a ditch halfway to the bridge. They had each been shot multiple times-with two different guns-in the head and chest.

Police offered no clues to a motive but did release a sketch of a potential witness who was described as an approximately 35-year-old Native American man with a long ponytail. Witnesses told police they saw him stopped in a white pickup near the scene about the time of the murders. Investigators last week said they were examining the tracks and show imprints near the spot where the girls were found. Given the remoteness of the crime scene, police have said they believe the killer or killers were locals who knew the area well.

The senseless crime stunned the community. Taylor and Skyla were inseparable friends who attended Graham public School, where they were 2 of 10 students in a combined 5th-6th grade class. They loved to hang out in a shed turned clubhouse on the Placker property, where they painted the ceiling a Cotton-candy blend of white, blue and purple and decorated the walls with their names and those of their favorite stars Zac Efron, Vanessa Hudgens and Miley Cyrus. Joe Mosher, Taylor's great uncle, was among the hundreds of people who attended the girls' back-to-back funerals on June 13. "The hardest thing in my life," he says. "was looking into those open caskets and seeing these ended lives."

At Skyla's funeral her sister Rosita Gordon recalled that Skyla loved her family and her 13 cats and wanted to be a veterinarian. "She loved to play in the sand. She loved scary movies. She loved her school. And she loved the rain." At Taylor's funeral the Rev. Ron King said he could celebrate the girls' lives but couldn't explain their deaths. "These were just babies. How do you make sense of this?" Peter Placker agrees. "I'm going to feel the same way whether they catch them or not," he says, teary-eyed. "But I want them caught-just so I can find out why." *

People June 30, 2008 pg 115



A MEMORIAL

"I grieve for both of the..: says Taylor's grandfather Peter Placker, returning to where he discovered the bodies. Picture of the dirt road where they were found and a memorial of flowers piled wide and high above the ditch.

Picture: Children release balloons after Skyla's funeral "A Friend Lost"

Picture, Witness Lost - Sketch of POI

[FlowerChild]

As to the People Mag info, I subscribe and this article is in the issue I received today (dated June 30) with Tim Russert on the cover. As far as I know, there is no online link...yet. The articles sometimes are available online a week or two after the issue is on news stands. Until it goes online, all I can do is paraphrase the contents that are "new" to us.

It's only a two page article - mostly photos. The POI sketch is included - in a small size - but it is a national mag - anything helps.

My Opinion

[T-Rex]

SFinch--someone posted from a blog that the girls' mothers worked together at McDonald's.

[evelyn24]

Thank you TeeOne.
:)

[MissHolmes]

June 19, 2008

U.S. Marshals "Operation FALCON" Clears Over 490 Warrants in Muskogee

Muskogee, OK – In one of the largest fugitive initiatives ever undertaken in the Muskogee area, the U.S. Marshals, teamed with law enforcement agencies throughout eastern Oklahoma, arrested 290 fugitives and cleared 493 warrants during a recent week-long 10 county sweep.

http://www.usmarshals.gov/falcon08/news_releases/061908-e-ok.htm

Ya gotta wonder who they picked up.
Been looking around for arrest warrants for Creech, nothing yet.

[MCDRAW]

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http://placker.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=placker&view=9&rand=767200765

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http://whitakertree.tribalpages.com/

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[GetSmart]

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s..._book_id=219644 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644)

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ARM: TAT L T-MID L ARM GRIM REAPER ARM: TAT R T-R UPPR ARM , FADED T-MID ARM http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Sentence
CRF# County Offense Conviction Term Term Code Start End

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/pobtrans.gif 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 0M 0D Incarceration 11/20/1996 11/27/1990 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 6M 0D Probation 09/14/1988 11/27/1990 96-121 OKFU Dui Subsequent 11/20/1996 3Y 0M 0D Probation 11/20/1996 12/14/1999 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 15Y Incarceration 09/26/2001 02/28/2008 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 5Y Probation 09/17/2001 09/16/2021 99-130 WAGO Lewd Molestation Afcf (Suspended) 09/17/2001 20Y Probation 02/28/2008 02/27/2028 http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Facility

This is just too close to those girls. WTF with his record why is he among people?

[MCDRAW]

Thank you.

[TeeOne]

Thank you TeeOne.
:)

you're welcome.
FC - I just posted the People article one page back.

[evelyn24]

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s..._book_id=219644 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644)

TIMOTHY P CREECH
ODOC# 176500 http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif image 1 of 9 > (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:x=new%20String%28window.location%29;location. replace%28x.replace%28/%5C&imageindex=%5B%5E%5C&$%5D*/,%27%27%29+%27&imageindex=2%27%29;)
19 Feb 2008
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Alias
No data available http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif IDs
ODOC#: 176500 Birth Date: 01/16/1965 Appearance
White Male; 6 ft. 0 in. tall; 174 pounds; Brown hair; Hazel eyes; http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Body Marks
ARM: TAT L T-MID L ARM GRIM REAPER ARM: TAT R T-R UPPR ARM , FADED T-MID ARM http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Sentence
CRF# County Offense Conviction Term Term Code Start End

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/pobtrans.gif 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 0M 0D Incarceration 11/20/1996 11/27/1990 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 6M 0D Probation 09/14/1988 11/27/1990 96-121 OKFU Dui Subsequent 11/20/1996 3Y 0M 0D Probation 11/20/1996 12/14/1999 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 15Y Incarceration 09/26/2001 02/28/2008 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 5Y Probation 09/17/2001 09/16/2021 99-130 WAGO Lewd Molestation Afcf (Suspended) 09/17/2001 20Y Probation 02/28/2008 02/27/2028 http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Facility

This is just too close to those girls. WTF with his record why is he among people?


I agree. His last drug offense was over a decade ago, but his sexual battery was just 7 years ago, and recent probation.
Hmmm
Clearly LE searched all recent paroled violent offenders. I hope so.

[Feeling Nostalgic]

Hi Everyone. I'm a newbie so please bare with me. I have been following this particular case since the very start. I have read every posting. Yet there is a chance someone may have already mentioned the following .......... Everyone is focusing on the cap and long hair. Every time I read that I keep thinking to myself that this could have been a disguise. Hats are sold with hair (ponytails) sewn into them. There could be a chance that this POI could have been wearing such a cap. Just a thought.

[MissHolmes]

Here are 9 pictures of Timothy Creech from different years. Enough to give you nightmares......

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644&imageindex=9

[MCDRAW]

Hi Everyone. I'm a newbie so please bare with me. I have been following this particular case since the very start. I have read every posting. Yet there is a chance someone may have already mentioned the following .......... Everyone is focusing on the cap and long hair. Every time I read that I keep thinking to myself that this could have been a disguise. Hats are sold with hair (ponytails) sewn into them. There could be a chance that this POI could have been wearing such a cap. Just a thought.


Welcome and I hadn't thought of a disguise. Good idea.

[TeeOne]

Hi Everyone. I'm a newbie so please bare with me. I have been following this particular case since the very start. I have read every posting. Yet there is a chance someone may have already mentioned the following .......... Everyone is focusing on the cap and long hair. Every time I read that I keep thinking to myself that this could have been a disguise. Hats are sold with hair (ponytails) sewn into them. There could be a chance that this POI could have been wearing such a cap. Just a thought.

Welcome!
Good thinking, I haven't heard the disguise idea before, but could be.

[MCDRAW]

Here are 9 pictures of Timothy Creech from different years. Enough to give you nightmares......

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644&imageindex=9



He certainly is creepy.

[GetSmart]

I'm sorry pics were huge, but his hair grew alot from 2001 to 2004. He is one scary mofo

[TeeOne]

Here are 9 pictures of Timothy Creech from different years. Enough to give you nightmares......

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644&imageindex=9

He is scary looking, gives me the heebeejeebees
But he does look like the POI.....

[MissHolmes]

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=073-CF%20%209900130&County=073- (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=073-CF%20%209900130&County=073-)

Most current address and contact information.
Name: CREECH, TIMOTHY PAUL Date of Birth: 01/16/1965 Address: PO BOX 771

WELEETKA OK 74880 Phone:
Description: 6', 170 LBS, HAZEL EYES

[Leila]

ITA.
I think it's either one of two things..1) the LE is on the trail of someone/people and they want the element of surprise, or 2) there is nothing new to report.

Evelyn..............I hope it's number 1. Otherwise, this case may go cold.

[Leila]

Hi Everyone. I'm a newbie so please bare with me. I have been following this particular case since the very start. I have read every posting. Yet there is a chance someone may have already mentioned the following .......... Everyone is focusing on the cap and long hair. Every time I read that I keep thinking to myself that this could have been a disguise. Hats are sold with hair (ponytails) sewn into them. There could be a chance that this POI could have been wearing such a cap. Just a thought.

Welcome to Websleuths Feeling Nostalgic! :)

Interesting thoughts regarding the possibility of a disguise.

[FlowerChild]

He is scary looking, gives me the heebeejeebees
But he does look like the POI.....
I don't think he looks at all like the POI - he does not (IMO) look like a Native American - and people in Weleetka do know what a NA looks like. It seems unlikely anyone familiar with NA's would see Creech close enough to provide that detailed POI sketch and call him a Native American. He appears to be of Germanic heritage to me and his eyes are noticably "pale" blue-green-ish and his hair is brown and wavy - not "black" and straight. Plus he appears to have significant body hair - again, not a NA trait.

Obviously he is a nasty person and a convicted felon and sex offender who, at last report, resided in Weleetka. All of which assure me that local (and probably state) LE went and checked him out within 48 hours. While amateur sleuthing can aid LE in some cases, I don't think in this case, LE failed to check out a local offender. In two weeks they have not named the POI or ANY POI and I think if this guy was not found and cleared, they would have named him within the 1st week. Surely we are not the only folks who made the connection (due to the hair length and height alone) - betcha LE did too - but this guy appears more long-haired "biker" than NA.

My feeling from the sketch is that the AGE may be off - by as much as 20 years. The posture and feel of the sketch TO ME appear to say someone of at least 50-55 - NOT 35. NA men often do not look their age in the face - but often body and posture are a sign that they are older. The rather stooped posture shown in the profile may be an indication of an older (than 35) POI.

As always, just......
My Opinion

[SuziQ]

Creech was recently released released from incarceration on 2-28-2008 after serving 7 years of a 15 year sentence. With his physical description and proximity to the girls he needs to be seriously considered.

Does the begin date of 5-8-2008 under the address mean he just moved to his current address?

PO Box 771, Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880 US. County: Okfuskee. Begin Date: 05/14/2008
Jurisdiction: Weleetka Police Department. Comments: PHys: 528 1st Street Weleetka, OK per Okfuskee CO

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=30516&first_name=timothy&last_name=creech&imageindex=4

[GetSmart]

I am thinking that yes . Also another thought was he in jail with the Placker crew at any time? did you notice it stated one of his tats ...."Grim Reaper"

[SuziQ]

FC, if Creech only moved to the area three weeks before the girls were murdered, then not many if anyone would have recognized him. I also come back to the comment Rosser made early on that they had not been able to locate and talk to everyone they needed to. Have they located those people? I don't remember the exact wording.

[KR2tonenow]

[quote=TeeOne;2314554]People Magazine, page 114

Murder On A Country Road...

Thank you for the article, was this the first time Taylor went for a walk on this country road?

[SuziQ]

I am thinking that yes . Also another thought was he in jail with the Placker crew at any time? did you notice it stated one of his tats ...."Grim Reaper"

It would be nice to know the exact physical address of where he was living.

[Feeling Nostalgic]

Thank you for the welcome. I noticed that I had not read anything regarding the chance that the cap could be one of those that contain sewn in hair. If this person is a local I am sure they would not want to take the chance of being immediately recognized. One of the quickest and cheapest disguises is one of those caps.

[KR2tonenow]

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/s..._book_id=219644 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644)

TIMOTHY P CREECH
ODOC# 176500 http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif image 1 of 9 > (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:x=new%20String%28window.location%29;location. replace%28x.replace%28/%5C&imageindex=%5B%5E%5C&$%5D*/,%27%27%29+%27&imageindex=2%27%29;)
19 Feb 2008
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Alias
No data available http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif IDs
ODOC#: 176500 Birth Date: 01/16/1965 Appearance
White Male; 6 ft. 0 in. tall; 174 pounds; Brown hair; Hazel eyes; http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Body Marks
ARM: TAT L T-MID L ARM GRIM REAPER ARM: TAT R T-R UPPR ARM , FADED T-MID ARM http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Sentence
CRF# County Offense Conviction Term Term Code Start End

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/pls/portal30/pobtrans.gif 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 0M 0D Incarceration 11/20/1996 11/27/1990 88-57 OKFU Unlawful Delivery Of Marijuana 09/14/1988 1Y 6M 0D Probation 09/14/1988 11/27/1990 96-121 OKFU Dui Subsequent 11/20/1996 3Y 0M 0D Probation 11/20/1996 12/14/1999 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 15Y Incarceration 09/26/2001 02/28/2008 99-130 WAGO Sexual Battery Afcf (Split Sent) 09/17/2001 5Y Probation 09/17/2001 09/16/2021 99-130 WAGO Lewd Molestation Afcf (Suspended) 09/17/2001 20Y Probation 02/28/2008 02/27/2028 http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/images/pobtrans.gif Facility

This is just too close to those girls. WTF with his record why is he among people?


Why is he out of prison to boot!

[MissHolmes]

I am thinking that yes . Also another thought was he in jail with the Placker crew at any time? did you notice it stated one of his tats ...."Grim Reaper"

Uncle Tony Paschal got out of prison I believe May of this year.

[SuziQ]

Why is he out of prison to boot!

And a PO Box is not a very good heads up for the people living around him.

[KR2tonenow]

Here are 9 pictures of Timothy Creech from different years. Enough to give you nightmares......

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=176500&offender_book_id=219644&imageindex=9

In these mug shots the eyes look the same as the sketch to me!

[KR2tonenow]

And a PO Box is not a very good heads up for the people living around him.

Right, All I can say is this guy hit me RIGHT off. If he is part of a gang, biker, or lone lunatic, maybe the community is too scared to finger him.
I sure hope LE checks this one out!

[KR2tonenow]

Uncle Tony Paschal got out of prison I believe May of this year.

Can you forward his docs:)

[KR2tonenow]

And a PO Box is not a very good heads up for the people living around him.

What do you think of the Lewd molestation charge? Why did they release him after 7 years? thoughts?

[Kellee]

I don't think he looks at all like the POI - he does not (IMO) look like a Native American - and people in Weleetka do know what a NA looks like. It seems unlikely anyone familiar with NA's would see Creech close enough to provide that detailed POI sketch and call him a Native American. He appears to be of Germanic heritage to me and his eyes are noticably "pale" blue-green-ish and his hair is brown and wavy - not "black" and straight. Plus he appears to have significant body hair - again, not a NA trait.

Obviously he is a nasty person and a convicted felon and sex offender who, at last report, resided in Weleetka. All of which assure me that local (and probably state) LE went and checked him out within 48 hours. While amateur sleuthing can aid LE in some cases, I don't think in this case, LE failed to check out a local offender. In two weeks they have not named the POI or ANY POI and I think if this guy was not found and cleared, they would have named him within the 1st week. Surely we are not the only folks who made the connection (due to the hair length and height alone) - betcha LE did too - but this guy appears more long-haired "biker" than NA.

My feeling from the sketch is that the AGE may be off - by as much as 20 years. The posture and feel of the sketch TO ME appear to say someone of at least 50-55 - NOT 35. NA men often do not look their age in the face - but often body and posture are a sign that they are older. The rather stooped posture shown in the profile may be an indication of an older (than 35) POI.

As always, just......
My Opinion

I agree that Creech does not look typically NA and does not resemble the sketch, IMO. Having said that, I think that we should be careful not to discount possibilities based on 'typical' NA traits. My ex was almost full-blood Cherokee with dark brown wavy hair, green eyes, very hairy forearms and lower legs (though he only had 17 hairs on his chest, LOL) and now sports a beard! (That must have taken forever to grow!). My point is that no matter the degree of Indian blood, there are those that do not fit the 'typical' category.

[TxJillyBean]

Good evening all, I am a newbie here but have been following the threads on these murders for several days. I am very impressed with what all ya'll have discovered about these two families.
On this Creech guy.... How can he get away with having a PO Box for his address??? That just does not seem right to me.

Most current address and contact information.
Name: CREECH, TIMOTHY PAUL Date of Birth: 01/16/1965 Address: PO BOX 771

WELEETKA OK 74880 Phone:
Description: 6', 170 LBS, HAZEL EYES

[KR2tonenow]

Good evening all, I am a newbie here but have been following the threads on these murders for several days. I am very impressed with what all ya'll have discovered about these two families.
On this Creech guy.... How can he get away with having a PO Box for his address??? That just does not seem right to me.

Most current address and contact information.
Name: CREECH, TIMOTHY PAUL Date of Birth: 01/16/1965 Address: PO BOX 771

WELEETKA OK 74880 Phone:
Description: 6', 170 LBS, HAZEL EYES

Welcome, TXJB:
Good question, is it because they are in the country??

[SuziQ]

Right, All I can say is this guy hit me RIGHT off. If he is part of a gang, biker, or lone lunatic, maybe the community is too scared to finger him.
I sure hope LE checks this one out!

Local LE stated the locals were scared to talk. I wonder if this guy has any scary and intimidating relatives in the area.

[KR2tonenow]

Local LE stated the locals were scared to talk. I wonder if this guy has any scary and intimidating relatives in the area.

Exactly! Would be easy with some many fugitives/warrants in that county
to be fearful.

I wouldn't live there!

[TxJillyBean]

Welcome, TXJB:
Good question, is it because they are in the country??

Thank you for the welcome.....
I don't know to much about OK laws....but I feel pretty sure in Texas you must a physical address. Especially being a sex offender...and a level three aggrivated sex offender. Very odd to me

[SuziQ]

Good evening all, I am a newbie here but have been following the threads on these murders for several days. I am very impressed with what all ya'll have discovered about these two families.
On this Creech guy.... How can he get away with having a PO Box for his address??? That just does not seem right to me.



Welcome! Having an unmappable address is one area that allows sex offenders fall through the cracks. All they have to do is say they live in their car when they are actually living in an apartment somewhere and the neighbors would have no way of knowing. BTW, there are 4 unmappable offenders in Weleetka according to Family Watchdog. Makes you wonder if LE would be able to locate these offenders if they needed to.

[FlowerChild]

Why is he out of prison to boot!
It appears he got a 15 year sentence in 2001 and served about half of it - which is about the norm. He is now on probation/parole till 2028.

[KR2tonenow]

Thank you for the welcome.....
I don't know to much about OK laws....but I feel pretty sure in Texas you must a physical address. Especially being a sex offender...and a level three aggrivated sex offender. Very odd to me

you are absolutely right! He also needs to be registered with the sex offender registry.

[SuziQ]

It appears he got a 15 year sentence in 2001 and served about half of it - which is about the norm. He is now on probation/parole till 2028.

Sentenced to 15 years in prison and 20 years probation? That must have been one severe crime he commited against a child.

[SuziQ]

you are absolutely right! He also needs to be registered with the sex offender registry.

He is, but it doesn't list a physical address.

[KR2tonenow]

It appears he got a 15 year sentence in 2001 and served about half of it - which is about the norm. He is now on probation/parole till 2028.

very scary!:eek:

[KR2tonenow]

He is, but it doesn't list a physical address.

Ok thanks! His offense seems pretty extreme, and I bet they haven't located him yet.

[Busylady]

Physical address - Creech

PO Box 771, Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880 US. County: Okfuskee. Begin Date: 05/14/2008
Jurisdiction: Weleetka Police Department. Comments: PHys: 528 1st Street Weleetka, OK per Okfuskee CO SO

[TxJillyBean]

I just pray they find who ever did this and get them off of the streets. This is just so sad to think their young lives had to end this way. I have been heart broken about this since the moment I heard it on the news. In my opinion...I think it will be someone that is a local. I think it is also someone that knew the family and I believe the girls new who it was as well.
But...thats just my opinion.

[FlowerChild]

There is a Lola Creech who attended high school in Weleetka from 1978-1982

[TxJillyBean]

Physical address - Creech

PO Box 771, Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880 US. County: Okfuskee. Begin Date: 05/14/2008
Jurisdiction: Weleetka Police Department. Comments: PHys: 528 1st Street Weleetka, OK per Okfuskee CO SO


Well at least there is a physical address...
Anyone how far it is from Taylors house?

[FlowerChild]

Sentenced to 15 years in prison and 20 years probation? That must have been one severe crime he commited against a child.
Do we know it was against a child? All registered sexual offenders are not CHILD offenders.

[SuziQ]

Physical address - Creech

PO Box 771, Weleetka, Oklahoma 74880 US. County: Okfuskee. Begin Date: 05/14/2008
Jurisdiction: Weleetka Police Department. Comments: PHys: 528 1st Street Weleetka, OK per Okfuskee CO SO

Thank you!

ETA: for some reason I looked at that and thought it was the police department address.

[SuziQ]

Do we know it was against a child? All registered sexual offenders are not CHILD offenders.

If you click on the offenses it will describe the charges:

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=30516&county=Okfuskee

Sex Offender Registration Offenses http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/pobtrans.gifCause, Procure, Or Permit - Injury / Sex Abuse (http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+6401106043+F)
CRF# 1999-130. County: Wagoner. City: Wagoner. State: Oklahoma. Date: 09/17/2001 http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/pobtrans.gifLewd Or Indecent Proposals/Acts To Child (http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/ifetch?Oklahoma_Statutes.99+853914648575+F)
CRF# 1999-130. County: Wagoner. City: Wagoner. State: Oklahoma. Date: 09/17/2001

[Busylady]

All I could find is sexual battery, and lewd molestation and that his ex wife and I believe two minor children (just initials shown for them)were subpoena

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=073-CF%20%209900130&County=073-

Do we know it was against a child? All registered sexual offenders are not CHILD offenders.

[Busylady]

I missed it too first time around when I read your post, was searching through the sex offenders pages and saw it then.

Thank you!

ETA: for some reason I looked at that and thought it was the police department address.

[FlowerChild]

There is another person (not Creech) listed at the same address in Weleetka - maybe Creech has a roomate or it could be a "halfway house" or other supervised group living facility. Weleetka has about 15 streets total, I would assume LE has located Creech and verified his whereabouts on the date/time in question - if they were looking for him (ie: thought the POI might be Creech) I think they would have issued a BOLO on him. It could even be that Creech has already appeared in a line-up and been cleared. SO are LE's 1st stop when children have been killed.

I think after 2 weeks with NO information turning toward a Non NA appearing POI or Creech, we are covering and re-covering old territory. Every few days for 2 weeks Creech shows up here as the possible POI. I just think it's not him - it isn't going to be someone that easy. I betcha Creech has been turned in (from just his address in Weleetka and his last mugshot with a ponytail) 500 times in the last 2 weeks.
My Opinion

[evelyn24]

There is another person (not Creech) listed at the same address in Weleetka - maybe Creech has a roomate or it could be a "halfway house" or other supervised group living facility. Weleetka has about 15 streets total, I would assume LE has located Creech and verified his whereabouts on the date/time in question - if they were looking for him (ie: thought the POI might be Creech) I think they would have issued a BOLO on him. It could even be that Creech has already appeared in a line-up and been cleared. SO are LE's 1st stop when children have been killed.

I think after 2 weeks with NO information turning toward a Non NA appearing POI or Creech, we are covering and re-covering old territory. Every few days for 2 weeks Creech shows up here as the possible POI. I just think it's not him - it isn't going to be someone that easy. I betcha Creech has been turned in (from just his address in Weleetka and his last mugshot with a ponytail) 500 times in the last 2 weeks.
My Opinion


lol..probably.

I think any sex offender who was recently paroled would be the first on LE's list.
Hopefully they have looked at Mr. Creech already.
It doesn't hurt for us to mull it over, though.

[Busylady]

In my opinion this was not a sexually motivated crime. I do agree its a great idea to look at everything though. It has been rather shocking to me the amount of illegal activities and domestic violence that seems to surround this family and associates.

[SuziQ]

I think after 2 weeks with NO information turning toward a Non NA appearing POI or Creech, we are covering and re-covering old territory. Every few days for 2 weeks Creech shows up here as the possible POI. I just think it's not him - it isn't going to be someone that easy. I betcha Creech has been turned in (from just his address in Weleetka and his last mugshot with a ponytail) 500 times in the last 2 weeks.
My Opinion

You may think it's not him, but are you 100% correct 100% of the time? And hey, you might be right. Why don't you let the rest of us worry about whether we are wasting our time or not. About once a day for the past two weeks you state you think we are either wasting our time or checking out information that will lead to a dead end. The last time I checked there isn't any new earth shattering leads to follow. In fact the info pool has dried up. Zilch, nada, nothing. So IMO, it does not hurt during the down time to go back and revisit info that we already have.

[Busylady]

I agree we just have to keep looking and keep looking. Revisiting info is good also I think, you pick up things you miss the first time, new people coming to the board and fresh eyes may pick up something old eyes missed. Plus I think sometimes it is a case of connecting the dots, and if you don't keep on something you might miss an important link.

You may think it's not him, but are you 100% correct 100% of the time? And hey, you might be right. Why don't you let the rest of us worry about whether we are wasting our time or not. About once a day for the past two weeks you state you think we are either wasting our time or checking out information that will lead to a dead end. The last time I checked there isn't any new earth shattering leads to follow. In fact the info pool has dried up. Zilch, nada, nothing. So IMO, it does not hurt during the down time to go back and revisit info that we already have.

[txsvicki]

I think that Taylor very recently being allowed to walk around off of her family property on her own could be a very big clue. Taylor may have seen things going on down at that bridge that other less supervised kids were aware of, keeping quiet about, or maybe in on with an older person. OR, a doped up violent sexual predator could have recently spotted Taylor on other occasions and has been stalking for the right time to try an abduction of one or even both girls. It's heartbreaking to think that a young girl, like all at that age, is trying to grow up a little bit and explore just a little ways from home to meet up with other friends and is mowed down without ever getting to have more freedoms and grow. I know I worried this year about my 11 year old grandson wanting to walk down the avenue with his friend after school. I never allowed it before, but he really wanted to now and it was his last year of grade school. I'd watch him til he got across the street then drive home and stand on the sidewalk and watch til he got almost home. I only then went into the house so I wouldn't embarass him. I can only imagine how Taylor's grandparents feel.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I think that Taylor very recently being allowed to walk around off of her family property on her own could be a very big clue. Taylor may have seen things going on down at that bridge that other less supervised kids were aware of, keeping quiet about, or maybe in on with an older person. OR, a doped up violent sexual predator could have recently spotted Taylor on other occasions and has been stalking for the right time to try an abduction of one or even both girls. It's heartbreaking to think that a young girl, like all at that age, is trying to grow up a little bit and explore just a little ways from home to meet up with other friends and is mowed down without ever getting to have more freedoms and grow. I know I worried this year about my 11 year old grandson wanting to walk down the avenue with his friend after school. I never allowed it before, but he really wanted to now and it was his last year of grade school. I'd watch him til he got across the street then drive home and stand on the sidewalk and watch til he got almost home. I only then went into the house so I wouldn't embarass him. I can only imagine how Taylor's grandparents feel.

It's so hard to be a parent these days. And harder to keep your kids safe.
I was thinking that Taylor walked the road to the bridge and back for exercise every day, but maybe it was a new thing she was doing since Summer began.

[FlowerChild]

You may think it's not him, but are you 100% correct 100% of the time? And hey, you might be right. Why don't you let the rest of us worry about whether we are wasting our time or not. About once a day for the past two weeks you state you think we are either wasting our time or checking out information that will lead to a dead end. The last time I checked there isn't any new earth shattering leads to follow. In fact the info pool has dried up. Zilch, nada, nothing. So IMO, it does not hurt during the down time to go back and revisit info that we already have.
The 3rd most "found" reference (on Google) to this guy is WS? He is referenced about 50 times on here in 5 threads. He has been "checked out" a LOT.

And yes, people can continue to repost the same info every day if they like, and revisit Creech as the POI every day too. But here, at least, it isn't new information and it has been posted over and over and over. There isn't any new info being released by LE but I sure don't think that means we should content ourselves with daily repetitions of the same information on Weleetka's only long-haired, 6' tall, non-ethnic Sex Offender because we're not getting anything new to chew on from LE.

Sometimes I don't have a lot of time to read the new posts and contribute - and it's pages of the same info on Creech almost every other day, and on every thread. I even started researching Creech in Weleetka to find out if there were family connections or a history of criminal acts by Creech in Weleetka - but I find refrences to him mostly in Wagoner County. Anyway, if it was new information on Creech or even anything that showed he knew or had connections to any of the Placker or Whitaker Family, or had a habit of jacking tweenagers/girls with a gun it would be great. It never goes any further than he is the right height, has a pony tail (or did in February) has a mug shot that looks something like the POI, smoked/sold marijuana and is a nasty, violent, abusive sort of guy - at least with his wife (or ex wife) in front of their kids.

If we are going to push ahead with Creech as a viable suspect what we don't have (yet) is how do we tie Creech to the murders of Taylor and Skyla? How do we connect him to the families? Why would Creech have been on that road, or anywhere near the Placker house? What could the girls have known (or seen Creech do and ID'd him) that would have threatened Creech enough to kill two girls in broad daylight? Has he ever been known to own, carry or use a gun? Just bringing up his name and record answers no questions and gets us not one inch closer to moving past him or focusing more on him. If people really believe Creech is the POI, then we should be working to substantiate the accusations against him by digging out as much as possible on him to support the belief he is the POI. Those who are convinced, build a convincing case against Creech.

So that's what frustrates me - and yes, IMO, it is very repetitive and as such, unproductive. Just because there is no new info doesn't mean we should sit here and wheel spin - there is still so much to be gleaned from what we do know.

My Opinion

[SuziQ]

FC, you sure have alot of "rules". Maybe you could give the rest of us a break from them? IMO, what's repetetive and unproductive is your repeated posts regarding what should and should not be discussed here. I'm sorry you are frustrated, but there are many new people here that may not have heard about him. And many regulars who may have missed the discussion, which is why he was brought up again. I'm sure those posters would appreciate a little more respect. And frankly, what is discussed and how much it's discussed is not your decision to make.

[Littledeer]

SuziQ and FlowerChild:

I am requesting nicely that you both please refrain from posting what is or is not acceptable to post here. Those terms have been spelled out in the TOS. Sometimes a certain person or information will be posted more than once by different posters. That is to be expected with new posters coming in who haven't had the time to read all the threads we have so far. (or even from long time posters who might think it is worth repeating). As long as it is not continuously in post after post after post, (meaning one after another), it shouldn't bother anyone.

If a post and/or poster bothers you, just ignore it.

That being said, please keep up the good work!!!!! :blowkiss: There's lots to do (finding information, theorizing, etc.) and look how many new posters this case has brought to WS!! A big welcome to all!!!!!!

I am hoping we get a forum soon!!! (hint hint)

:blowkiss:

[Trino]

Well they have now said that more witnesses have come forward that saw him so maybe he was sitting back on the tailgate of his truck when the other witnesses saw him. Maybe.

Good morning (here, at least). I had a good night's sleep and time to think about this case - again!

I've had a lot of difficulty with the POI drawing. First of all, looking at the side and front views, I would have difficulty recognizing them as the same person. IMO the front view is a rather handsome guy; the side view is not very flattering. Then, the description plagues me. It says the POI has hazel eyes. Think about driving by someone at even 15 mph. Would you be able to describe what color the person's eyes were?

I still believe the girls picked up a bag/container from a cash/drug drop. The POI could not let them get away with this.

[DeltaDawn]

I'm sorry pics were huge, but his hair grew alot from 2001 to 2004. He is one scary mofo


I think he maybe our guy. Combine drugs and sex and this guy rings the bell. He also has that look that he could stare down passers by on the road .. they did say that the witnesses noticed POI enough to be concerned when this happened. It could be locals do know him..but he wouldn't be hanging with a crowd that would turn him in..if you get my drift. But it should be easy enough for LE to check on what kind of vehicle is registered to him or his friends. IMO LE probably also knows who he hangs out with.

The incident at the Plackers where they heard someone outside around there house really is worth investigating. Was someone afraid that GP saw the tail end of their pick up leaving the scene or that the girls had something that belonged to them? Tweekers would be crazy enough to return to the scene, and paranoid enough too. I think this is a case where the girls saw something they shouldn't have, either that day or the day before. I think that drugs are possibly involved.

[Trino]

If we're just centering the discussion on TC, I'm guessing that LE has been focusing on him for a while. Why, however, hasn't OSBI or news media mentioned him?

[Beyond Belief]

If they have done line ups with some of these guys and the witnesses cannot positively ID them, will we hear nothing. Lots of cases go unsolved even though LE thinks they have their guy because witnesses fail to be positive.:mad:

[Trino]

Wonder where Timothy has been hanging out since his release. Do you suppose OSBI is looking for him and can't locate him? He's a level 3 sex offender with a lifetime registration. Seems a good reason to detain him if he hasn't registered his address.

[cloudajo]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

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Reporter: Rebecca Kelough lives less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. Both were shot multiple times. Rebecca heard the shots.

Kelough: “The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went de de de de de de, de de de de de, and then de de de. And my son and I were outside. He heard it also.”


http://www.kjrh.com/mediacenter/loca...com&navCatId=3 (http://www.kjrh.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=92879@kjrh.dayport.com&navCatId=3)

[Trino]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

I thought OSBI stated there was one car (unknown # of occupants) that actually saw the POI and that the other witnesses were ones who heard gunfire. However, several posters have alluded to there being more physical witnesses to the POI. BUT, Timothy Creech is local. Wouldn't the witnesses have been able to identify him?

[DeltaDawn]

Albert and PoorPaula, thanks for posting earlier video of woman who heard shots.

Just to re-cap, she and her son were outside and heard the shots - they live less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. They heard what sounded like automatic weapon fire.

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Reporter: Rebecca Kelough lives less than 1 mile from where Taylor and Skyla died. Both were shot multiple times. Rebecca heard the shots.

Kelough: “The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went de de de de de de, de de de de de, and then de de de. And my son and I were outside. He heard it also.”


http://www.kjrh.com/mediacenter/loca...com&navCatId=3 (http://www.kjrh.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=92879@kjrh.dayport.com&navCatId=3)


Cloud thank you for bringing that to our attention.

The automatic weapon fire says to me drugs or meth being cooked, bought or sold. They would carry automatic weapons to be able to secure their area..whatever was going down. I don't think an ordinary citizen out on a Sunday late afternoon would be carrying an automatic weapon...but I could be wrong.

[cloudajo]

Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
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Shotgun:




Also known as a fowling piece or scattergun
· Come in wide variety, including breech loading double barreled shotguns, pump-action, bolt-action, lever-action, and semi-automatic models
· Typical use is against small and/or fast moving targets
· The spreading of the shot allows the user to point the shotgun close to the target rather than having to aim precisely as in the case of a single projectile
· Disadvantages of shot are limited range and limited penetration of the shot
· Advantages are enormous stopping power at short range, more than nearly all handguns and comparible to most rifle cartridges
· Wide spread of shot produced makes it easier to aim and to be used by inexperienced marksmen
· Multiple wound channels of a defensive load are far more likely to produce a disabling wound than a rifle or handgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun)

[DeltaDawn]

If we're just centering the discussion on TC, I'm guessing that LE has been focusing on him for a while. Why, however, hasn't OSBI or news media mentioned him?

News media won't mention him until he is named the POI due to liable and slander. OSBI isn't going to mention his name until they are positive it is him. I think mentioning his name before arrest wouldn't help because he likely has friends and associates who would hide him anyway and not turn him in to LE.

Of course that seems to be the case with whoever this POI is that witnesses saw. No one seems to know him..yet the police felt it was someone local involved. Maybe it is a local and the POI is not local, since it's possible there is more then 1 person involved.

[Elphaba]

[FONT=Arial]Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
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Shotgun:

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

[cloudajo]

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

Yes, and I wonder:

Was it typical to hear gunshots in the area? If so, was it typical to hear "automatic weapon fire" -like shots?
Who went to the bridge on Sundays and that Sunday?
What time were the boys there? Did they see Taylor and Skyla? Did they know them?
Did the boys hear the shots?
What did Taylor's cell phone show with regard to any text messages or calls incoming/outgoing before they went to the bridge?

[Trino]

I asked about that, too, yesterday. I would hope that LE would have ran ballistic tests on the guns the boys were using down there before declaring them not involved. There is a scenario that could have easily played out: the boys got bored with shooting down by the bridge and decided to shoot the girls for the thrill of it. As I see it, they had a gun/(maybe guns?)... they were in the area shooting... it should have put them at the top of the suspect list until their gun was thoroughly tested in a lab.

If I correctly recall, OSBI has eliminated the boys, since Rosser stated they were 3 miles away. I'm certain their weapons were scrutinized, too. I also don't think the boys would have been shooting semi-automatic weapons, which it appears these weapons were, although OSBI has not released the type of weapons yet.

[cloudajo]

If I correctly recall, OSBI has eliminated the boys, since Rosser stated they were 3 miles away. I'm certain their weapons were scrutinized, too. I also don't think they boys would have been shooting semi-automatic weapons, which it appears these weapons were, although OSBI has not released the type of weapons yet.

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings (http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings)

[cloudajo]

Some posters at IS sent the info about Creech to OSBI and also called tip line too. Not that the OSBI didn't have the info before as many have stated, but it can't hurt...

[oceanblueeyes]

Sorry, I know things have been posted about the possible guns used. Can someone re-cap what we know other than 2 guns used and shell casing found? I don't know much about guns, but was reading again about the boys who were down at the bridge shooting that Sunday and who had a shotgun. Not sure what kind of shotgun. Rosser said there is nothing to indicate they are suspects. But I want to know more about that.
----------------------------------------
Shotgun:




Also known as a fowling piece or scattergun
· Come in wide variety, including breech loading double barreled shotguns, pump-action, bolt-action, lever-action, and semi-automatic models
· Typical use is against small and/or fast moving targets
· The spreading of the shot allows the user to point the shotgun close to the target rather than having to aim precisely as in the case of a single projectile
· Disadvantages of shot are limited range and limited penetration of the shot
· Advantages are enormous stopping power at short range, more than nearly all handguns and comparable to most rifle cartridges
· Wide spread of shot produced makes it easier to aim and to be used by inexperienced marksmen
· Multiple wound channels of a defensive load are far more likely to produce a disabling wound than a rifle or handgun

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shotgun)






A shotgun is used primarily to bring down small game such as birds.

I do not believe a shotgun was used even though a close up shot would be horrific and deadly. The shotgun pellets come out in a spraying pattern widening as they are disbursed. The further away the less power. If the pellets enters the body it can do massive damage especially if fired at a close distance. There would be no way that the ME could tell that there were so many shots made to the children because a shotgun blast literally can rip the tissue, skin and bone away. Also the casings are usually plastic with brass on the end and I am not aware that they automatically eject where the shotgun "shells" would be found on the ground there. With LE using "bullet casings" this IMO shows it was not a shotgun that was used. Shotgun shells are not considered "bullets" but are called "shells". Bullets means it was one projectile like a handgun or a rifle etc.

If a shotgun had been used to the chest and head then the caskets would have been closed from viewing IMO.

imo

[SuziQ]

I thought OSBI stated there was one car (unknown # of occupants) that actually saw the POI and that the other witnesses were ones who heard gunfire. However, several posters have alluded to there being more physical witnesses to the POI. BUT, Timothy Creech is local. Wouldn't the witnesses have been able to identify him?

He only moved to the area three weeks before the girls were killed. So he may not be recognizable to many people.

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

[SuziQ]

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

I don't mind. Was the one posted a few pages back the entire article? Also, is there a link yet so the copyright rules aren't violated?

[MissHolmes]

The article was posted on this thread #50. No reason not to post it again but just shows how much we need a forum.

Does anyone want me to put up what was said in the People magazine article?

imoo

[SuziQ]

A shotgun is used primarily to bring down small game such as birds.

imo

I know you've mentioned a rapid fire revolver in the past. You know alot more about guns than I do. What's your guess as to what two weapons were used?

[GetSmart]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't mind. Was the one posted a few pages back the entire article? Also, is there a link yet so the copyright rules aren't violated?

I better hold off because I don't want to infringe on the copyright laws.

I just saw it on another site and thought some of the posters here may be interested.

imo

[SuziQ]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

That type of help can be transient. I wonder if they've located them all?

[oceanblueeyes]

I know you've mentioned a rapid fire revolver in the past. You know alot more about guns than I do. What's your guess as to what two weapons were used?

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

[Littledeer]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?

[cloudajo]

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

Thanks for the info.

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?

No, even when a gun is rapidly fired. The shooter always has the target in their sight and the gun aimed at the target.

All of these shots were specifically toward the girls. By hitting them in the head and chest shows his aim was for them and vital areas.

imoo

[GetSmart]

oceanblueeyes:

That sounds so horrific! If the gun was fired that way, would that mean there was no "aim" taken, just a rapid firing. Possibly the last shot being an exact aim to the girls head to ensure they were dead?


"There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html#) told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html
ETA link

[Littledeer]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as oppossed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

[Littledeer]

GetSmart:

Could you post a link so when we get our forum (hint hint), so it can be posted under the media thread?

Thanks!!

[cloudajo]

I really don't know but I would think one had to be a lower caliber and one a larger caliber. That could mean both could have been long guns or handguns. There is such a wide range to pick from.

But from the description given I am thinking it was a semi-automatic fired first...tat, tat, tat.....to Taylor and then tat,tat, tat to Skyla in a rapid fire posture. He may have only had 6 bullets left in his clip for that weapon (makes me wonder if he had been target practicing too that day) so he fired the lower powered caliber last which still can be lethal and imo it was so unnecessary. I think they would have died from the first multiple wounds they sustained.

imo

The one witness we heard from (Rebecca Kelough) described what sounded like automatic weapon fire (5 sounds, 5 sounds, 3 sounds). She says "The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went..." almost like she heard different types of shots. I wonder if she heard other shots as well and if so, was there a lapse in time between rapid fire shots and other shots?

[GetSmart]

This is a link to news stories relating
http://www.topix.com/wire/city/weleetka-ok/p3

Weleetka Wire (Page 3)

Comprehensive News Feed for Weleetka, OK.

[SuziQ]

The one witness we heard from (Rebecca Kelough) described what sounded like automatic weapon fire (5 sounds, 5 sounds, 3 sounds). She says "The ones that sounded like automatic weapon fire went..." almost like she heard different types of shots. I wonder if she heard other shots as well and if so, was there a lapse in time between rapid fire shots and other shots?

Hearing two different weapons at the same time would most likely indicate two people. I'm interpreting her saying the first two bursts were from one weapon. Not sure of her description on the the third set.

[SuziQ]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as oppossed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

I'll defer that question to our resident gun expert. lol.

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings (http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings)

Why would the Grandpa allow his "daughter" to go down to a bridge with boys shooting guns anyway?

[KR2tonenow]

Some posters at IS sent the info about Creech to OSBI and also called tip line too. Not that the OSBI didn't have the info before as many have stated, but it can't hurt...

Do you have the link?

[KR2tonenow]

The article was posted on this thread #50. No reason not to post it again but just shows how much we need a forum.

What needs to be done to get a forum?

[KR2tonenow]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html
GP talking about her walks.
"She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Also It was mentioned that that road was used by alot of ranchers & farmers.. How about a ranch hand?

When is the exact date Taylor started walking these roads? Was it started since school was out, by the way I think Friday was the last day of school and she was shot on Sunday.

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attending? What do we know about the population of Weeleka?
Do the parents of these boys have criminal pasts? What are the teachers like that teach at this school? Could something have happened at the school and the girls were silenced?

[GetSmart]

This area is a hot bed for this stuff. Right under their nose..hello

Published: June 20, 2008 12:05 pm
Suspected meth lab burns across from city hall
By Susan Brittingham and Jeremy HIggins
Staff Writers

A suspected drug lab was apparently operating within a stone’s throw from the city’s police and fire department and no one noticed until it exploded.

Law enforcement officials allege two men set up a meth lab in a house at 305 N. First St. According to fire department officials, that house caught fire early Thursday morning.

http://www.mcalesternews.com/homepage/local_story_172120531.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

[KR2tonenow]

"There's obviously an issue here where the shooter wanted these girls dead and certainly carried that to its fullest extent," Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation Inspector Stan Florence (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html#) told FOX News.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,365081,00.html
ETA link


TY, for the update!
<snip
Rosser said they believe someone from the community may have committed the crime.
"The reason we're just looking at possibly a local person: Because of the location there, it's just not likely somebody pulled off U.S. 75 or I-40 and just stopped there," he said.
>snip

There you go. Someone isn't talking, or afraid to talk to to OSBI.

Also,
For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com.

[Littledeer]

What needs to be done to get a forum?

A lot of begging :) I sent an email already for a request to have a forum. We will have to wait and see what the decision is.

[oceanblueeyes]

I'll be the first to say I don't know anything about guns.

So this question might sound stupid for those who know guns.

Are we talking rifles here as opposed to shot guns? When I think of rifles, I think of it being up on the shoulder and the shooter looks through a hole for the aim? With a shot gun, I'm not picturing this, I'm picturing someone lifting the gun and aiming by visual by the waist area or thereabouts.

Is this close???

Yes, they raise the rifle to their shoulder take aim and fire....even when using a shotgun that is done. Most people have scopes on their rifles although if the target is close no scope is needed.

But a shotgun was not used in these crimes imo. A shotgun blast has a very significant distinct BOOM! each time it is shot. Anyone growing up around guns would know instantly the difference between hearing an automatic or semi-automatic weapon being fired from a shotgun.

The reason I don't necessarily believe it was a full automatic instead of a semi-automatic is the short pause from one set of shots to the other then the last group. We will see these mass shooters use AK15-47s or whatever that do these school killings. They point the gun toward a group of people and continuously let a spray of bullets expel from the barrel of the gun. They usually have no lulls but use all the bullets and then use a different gun or reload.

I am not a gun expert by any means but I do know about them growing up around them here in the south.

imoo

[KR2tonenow]

A lot of begging :) I sent an email already for a request to have a forum. We will have to wait and see what the decision is.

sounds good!

[Morag]

Thanks. Perhaps he said they were 3 miles away at the time the girls were shot then?

Because this article says the bridge is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser says the boys told them they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. I assume he meant at Bad Creek Bridge.
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The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said.

Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser (http://newsok.com/keysearch/?er=1&CANONICAL=Ben+Rosser&CATEGORY=PERSON) said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”

http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings (http://www.newsok.com/news/weleetkaslayings)

I still find it hard to discount entirely the bunch of boys with a gun or guns. The bridge was a hangout spot. Taylor walked there every day, although at various times. Could she have been texting, IM-ing, talking to a boy to arrange the meetings? Maybe he was an older boy. Maybe there was an unpleasant encounter on the Sunday, when he was with his friends. It's not hard to imagine a flirtatious situation suddenly turning ugly, and the girls high-tailing it back home. There was the cryptic message from LE about, we know you weren't involved, tell us what you know. (I will try to find this).

And Rosser said, twice:

[SIZE="3"]"We have thought from the worst-case scenario — just a haphazard shooting — to they possibly walked down to meet someone, to possibly they walked down there, even though it's a short distance, they may have interrupted something," Rosser said. "So we're looking at everything right now."
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/no-leads-in-murder-of-oklahoma-girls.html

It's possible they may have interrupted something at the bridge.”
The bridge along County Line Road is a popular place for teens to gather and shoot guns, Rosser said.
Agents looked into a tip Wednesday morning that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area around the time of the killings.
"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun,” Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects.”
http://newsok.com/article/3255944/?print=1


Yes, there is the POI who has been described by someone or someones. I find it odd that if there were two someones who were able to spot hazel eyes at a drive-by distance, there were also two someones who don't know the difference between a ford and a chevy. They saw the OK plate, wouldn't the name of the vehicle be nearby?

Although it's hard to imagine boys doing this deed, we do know that the herd/pack mentality occasionally takes over. And since seeing execution-style killings on tv or in video games is common, the urge or instinct to do it might be overpowering for a youth with a gun who has been challenged. What if the witness(es) are actually some of the boys who had been shooting by the creek? There could have been several, two or more who talked to LE and said oh, yes, we shoot there every Sunday- and one or more who say they saw the POI.
Upon reflection, I find this scenario more likely than any other.(JMHO)

[oceanblueeyes]

TY, for the update!
<snip
Rosser said they believe someone from the community may have committed the crime.
"The reason we're just looking at possibly a local person: Because of the location there, it's just not likely somebody pulled off U.S. 75 or I-40 and just stopped there," he said.
>snip

There you go. Someone isn't talking, or afraid to talk to to OSBI.

I wonder though did most people even know Creech since he had only moved there three weeks earlier.

I think they have no idea who this man is and LE cant be 100% positive either that he is local. He certainly may not be.

imoo

[Littledeer]

So the sound of the gun being fired would tell what type of gun/rifle it was? But then that would only be if the person that heard the sounds knew the difference to begin with.

I would think since LE has the shell casings, they know what was used but are not releasing the information to not jeopardize the case if people are arrested??

I can't see any other reason on why they haven't or won't release this information.

IMO

[Busylady]

I do not think it was an all boy school. It is a very small school with a small number of students, but on the memorial video for Taylor there are several pictures of the class and cheerleading pictures with more than just her and Skyla.

When is the exact date Taylor started walking these roads? Was it started since school was out, by the way I think Friday was the last day of school and she was shot on Sunday.

What does anyone know about this all boy school, that these 2 young girls were attendi