View Full Version : Oklahoma's girls gunned down. Why?
Beyond Belief
06-22-2008, 10:50 PM
What is your opinion on what provoked this slaughter?
close_enough
06-23-2008, 12:22 AM
gosh, i want to say revenge of some kind.....it's possible they only wanted one of the girls dead, but had to shoot both .... (the shooter didn't want to leave a witness)....then again, maybe the girls made it to the bridge & saw something they shouldn't have, & like another poster mentioned, the girls were running back home, & the shooter caught up with them, made a U-turn, facing the girls, & shot them....the timing is what's confusing me...i tend to think they never made it to the bridge, or if they did, they immediately started running back home for some reason....but if that's the case, why not use the cell phone & call home, if something was wrong??.....
thrill kill?...maybe.....hmmm, i can't vote my opinion yet...
philamena
06-23-2008, 01:00 AM
I voted revenge.
Like close enough, I too think someone wanted only one of the girls dead. My guess is that the killer felt he had to kill both of them because he couldn't take the chance of one of them talking. I definately think the girls knew the killer.
KR2tonenow
06-23-2008, 01:06 AM
I third that. Revenge.
txsvicki
06-23-2008, 01:10 AM
I say revenge (and even thrill involved) by a sociopath older kid possibly helped by a weaker minded follower of his.
If not this, then I think it was a psychotic person high or coming off drugs who was roaming around with weapons and just shot.
Or, someone, possibly the NA man waiting by his truck for someone to bring something stolen to him that he was buying, such as stolen car parts, gasoline, diesel, etc. Possibly even this older kid bringing it to him.
Tristan
06-23-2008, 04:24 AM
Sorry, but....."Mistaken for a deer??"
What does that mean?
dottierainbow
06-23-2008, 05:55 AM
I put silencing a possible witness. I believe they possible had stumbled on someone stealing anhydrous ammonia or someone actually cooking Meth.
I put silencing a possible witness. I believe they possible had stumbled on someone stealing anhydrous ammonia or someone actually cooking Meth.
Okay, re this meth cooking business. If someone is in the woods cooking meth I would assume this would be just someone cooking a small amount - not a huge meth lab.....
Questions to consider:
1) Would these young girls even know that is what that person was doing?
2) If someone were cooking meth and was noticed, why wouldn't they just pick up their paraphenalia and skeedaddle.
3) If someone were cooking meth out there, I would think it would be for their own consumption. I can't see users such as this having guns or automatic weapons in their possession. I could see if it was a big operation, but if these were one or two small time scum bag druggies just cooking up some meth for themselves, I highly doubt they would be armed. Heck, it's all these people can do to financially keep up with their habit - those guns would have been sold a long time ago to fund their habit.
3) WHY would someone be cooking meth close to an area that was heavily populated by kids as a place to hang?
Just some thoughts..........
Patience
06-23-2008, 08:42 AM
To silence them. I do believe they were witness to criminal activity. Either molestation or other.
oceanblueeyes
06-23-2008, 10:02 AM
Gosh, I wish I could narrow it down to just one motive that I could be comfortable with but I have thought and thought about it and I really cant.
I do believe that it is a possibility of a thwarted abduction that went horribly bad when the girls stood firm and wouldn't get in his truck.
I also think it is possible that these murders were statements to make someone remain silent. I do not think though that it had anything to do with drugs. From what I have read these families had been there for several years so why now after so long? Peter Placker doesn't even have a criminal record. But I do think if Edward Gordon is the brother of Skyla that is more of a plausible theory to get him to shut up and not testify in the upcoming murder trial in July.
What I do not believe and have never believed is these murders had anything whatsoever to do with molestation. Not at the crime scene by the perp nor in the girls past history. I think both children were loved, cherished and protected by their families, not abused.
I do not discount that this may have been a thrill kill or killings done because of opportunity by a stranger lurking the back country roads that was up to no good. It has happened before where killers kill for no reason other than because they knew they could.
So my thoughts are really no clearer on somethings than when all this tragedy began.
southcitymom
06-23-2008, 10:05 AM
To silence them. I do believe they were witness to criminal activity...
This is what I think.
oceanblueeyes
06-23-2008, 10:13 AM
I put silencing a possible witness. I believe they possible had stumbled on someone stealing anhydrous ammonia or someone actually cooking Meth.
Stealing it from where? Would these girls even know what that meant if they just saw someone loading up fertilizer?
From what we have read Taylor walked the road to the bridge and back. Would they be cooking meth right on that road with all the passerbys that went up and down that road frequently?
Stealing it from where? Would these girls even know what that meant if they just saw someone loading up fertilizer?
From what we have read Taylor walked the road to the bridge and back. Would they be cooking meth right on that road with all the passerbys that went up and down that road frequently?
I doubt that one - I believe there is more to it then some druggies cooking up some meth...............
Also, what kind of people carry automatic weapons???? You think an abductor out looking for a kid would carry an automatic weapon - I don't. And you think they said get in the car and the girls said "no" - and the abductors said "oh okay, then we will have to blow you away." They could have forced them into the vehicle by gunpoint or picked them up and just put them in their car.......
Okay, for me I'm ruling out abductor and meth user (not dealer) - USER!!!!
oceanblueeyes
06-23-2008, 10:21 AM
I doubt that one - I believe there is more to it then some druggies cooking up some meth...............
That just doesn't seem plausible to me but I respect everyone's opinion nor do I think it is some long delayed drug retaliation against this particular family. Now if it had happened to the immediate family of Joe Placker Sr or Joe Jr...I would give that more weight but it didn't.
Whomever this thug is he sure is remaining out of sight. No one seems to know him in that small town so he has to be a stranger there.
imo
oceanblueeyes
06-23-2008, 10:30 AM
I doubt that one - I believe there is more to it then some druggies cooking up some meth...............
Also, what kind of people carry automatic weapons???? You think an abductor out looking for a kid would carry an automatic weapon - I don't. And you think they said get in the car and the girls said "no" - and the abductors said "oh okay, then we will have to blow you away." They could have forced them into the vehicle by gunpoint or picked them up and just put them in their car.......
Okay, for me I'm ruling out abductor and meth user (not dealer) - USER!!!!
We really don't know what transpired. Maybe he had already tried to coax them into the truck when they were closer to the bridge and they simply ignored his advances and kept walking. We don't know how much that rejection may have angered him. He may have gone on ahead and waited for them at the spot they were killed and they had no time whatsoever to react to anything other than Skyla taking a few steps back before she was brought down too.
We also have no confirmation that the weapons were automatic..they could be semiautomatics and I don't think it is odd that he had these two weapons already in his truck. He very well could have had more than the two guns he used.
imo
TeeOne
06-23-2008, 11:10 AM
lol - Looking at the votes, every option got atleast one vote. Talk about differences of opinion!
lol - Looking at the votes, every option got atleast one vote. Talk about differences of opinion!
Yeah, but I'm probably right - lol!!!!!
Meyahna
06-23-2008, 11:17 AM
Maybe the guy had just killed someone whose body was in his car and the girls saw it or he thought they did. Maybe he went to this isolated area to dump a body. Just throwing ideas.
Maybe the guy had just killed someone whose body was in his car and the girls saw it or he thought they did. Maybe he went to this isolated area to dump a body. Just throwing ideas.
That is a good idea to throw out there and I think it has been mentioned before..... if that were the case, the girls had to have been high tailing it back to the house - why not call their grandpa on their cell phone?? Because they were just too scared and started running. Who the heck Knows, BUT I SURE WANT TO!!!!
THEY BETTER SOLVE THIS ONE!!!!
bigbuck
06-23-2008, 12:01 PM
I'm still leaning toward an abduction gone bad. Perhaps they froze out of fear or simply refused to get in the truck.
Meyahna
06-23-2008, 12:05 PM
That is a good idea to throw out there and I think it has been mentioned before..... if that were the case, the girls had to have been high tailing it back to the house - why not call their grandpa on their cell phone?? Because they were just too scared and started running. Who the heck Knows, BUT I SURE WANT TO!!!!
THEY BETTER SOLVE THIS ONE!!!!
Yes, these poor girls, such a shame. I hope they'll find the guy quick let's hope the sketch will lead to tips.
SeriouslySearching
06-23-2008, 12:06 PM
Discussion: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66442
I voted for silencing of a witness. I still think it is drug related and the perp/perps did not know the girls. Wrong place, wrong time.
Abduction - i.e. like in a pedophile?????
I still think they would have just picked them up and thrown them in the truck. Besides, IMO, pedophiles are wimps and I don't see them driving around the countryside with guns shooting kids who refuse to get into their car. I can, however, see them more likely being scared $hitless and getting the H out of dodge.
bigbuck
06-23-2008, 12:33 PM
Abduction - i.e. like in a pedophile?????
I still think they would have just picked them up and thrown them in the truck. Besides, IMO, pedophiles are wimps and I don't see them driving around the countryside with guns shooting kids who refuse to get into their car. I can, however, see them more likely being scared $hitless and getting the H out of dodge.
Yes as in pedophile! IMO this POS could have easily become enraged if the girls refused his demands, backed away from him, or maybe even pulled out a phone to call for help. Also how many children are killed by these wimps every year??
Yes as in pedophile! This POS could have easily become enraged if the girls refused his demands, backed away from him, or maybe even pulled out a phone to call for help. Also how many children are killed by these wimps every year??
True, but only after they have had their "fun" with them......
bigbuck
06-23-2008, 12:45 PM
True, but only after they have had their "fun" with them......
True also. Perhaps there's a first time for everything....
:blowkiss:
True also. Perhaps there's a first time for everything....
:blowkiss:
One of the reasons this case is so interesting ---- there are no many possibilities. I would love to at least have some news - any news......
oceanblueeyes
06-23-2008, 02:05 PM
Abduction - i.e. like in a pedophile?????
I still think they would have just picked them up and thrown them in the truck. Besides, IMO, pedophiles are wimps and I don't see them driving around the countryside with guns shooting kids who refuse to get into their car. I can, however, see them more likely being scared $hitless and getting the H out of dodge.
Pedophiles are ruthless, unpredictable and dangerous.
It would be very hard if it was only one person to get two girls to cooperate in order to contain them.
I can see pedophiles capable of anything and many times they can kill the ones they have targeted.
I think these girls froze in their tracks when they looked into his eyes. He may have already started trying to lure them to ride with him before they even got back to the place where they were shot and killed and they totally gave him the cold shoulder before then and walked on. Then when they got to the same place a witness said he was stopped, he was waiting for them, already with murder on his mind imo and when they came there he killed them both and left as if nothing had happened.
weasel
06-23-2008, 02:13 PM
I was wondering if maybe it could just be two other kids, out playing with their parents guns, and something happened? Maybe they shot the girls because the girls saw them with the guns and they didn't want to get told on. Kids don't always think rationally.
tempusfugit
06-23-2008, 02:55 PM
To silence them. I do believe they were witness to criminal activity. Either molestation or other.
I agree...
close_enough
06-23-2008, 06:47 PM
i thought about this case last night, in bed.....i voted just now, & i'm sticking with revenge, regardless if the youtube posts are true or not.....i must agree with poco also....i don't see a pedo trying to abduct both girls, then shooting them...i don't see this as gang/drug related either though....
January.
06-23-2008, 10:59 PM
I still think it's because they witnessed something, probably drug related.
christine2448
06-24-2008, 12:26 AM
I don't know and I can't even guess at this point.
evelyn24
06-24-2008, 12:31 AM
I say an abduction gone wrong, or just a "thrill kill", and by that I also include someone who was pissed at society or was triggered by some personal conflict, and the girls were just a target to release that anger.
DeltaDawn
06-24-2008, 01:45 PM
I voted for the silencing of possible witness. I think the girls happened upon a drug deal or cooking and that was that. They knew this person therefore they had to be silenced. I am thinking he maybe a friend of a friend that they didn't know well, but could recognize on the street.
I think something was going down in the woods behind them. The police helicopters spent sometime that evening searching that woods. They were looking for someone or something.
Claudia
06-24-2008, 04:34 PM
I cannot for the life of me imagine why someone would go into the "woods" to cook their meth. Why risk hauling all the ingredients & equipment out in the middle of several homes & start cooking it up? The stuff reeks to high heaven & they would be a heck of a lot safer sealed up in a house instead. Who manufactures drugs out in the open???
BTW, Hi everyone! :Banane19: I'm Claudia & I have been a lurker for a while, but this case is driving me so crazy that I just had to jump in the convo.
ETA: I just read over on another thread about these "mobile meth labs". Never heard of such a thing, and I am unfortunately very familiar with the drug scene (or should I say used to be) - these guys are clear idiots. Cooking out in the open like that has GOT to be the dumbest move ever. As they say, consider the source, I suppose.
Beyond Belief
06-24-2008, 04:51 PM
I cannot for the life of me imagine why someone would go into the "woods" to cook their meth. Why risk hauling all the ingredients & equipment out in the middle of several homes & start cooking it up? The stuff reeks to high heaven & they would be a heck of a lot safer sealed up in a house instead. Who manufactures drugs out in the open???
BTW, Hi everyone! :Banane19: I'm Claudia & I have been a lurker for a while, but this case is driving me so crazy that I just had to jump in the convo.
Hi Claudia, welcome.....:)
Claudia
06-24-2008, 05:11 PM
Hi Claudia, welcome.....:)
Thanks! Glad to be here. You guys are totally on top of things!
Beyond Belief
06-24-2008, 05:16 PM
This case is mind boggling. I sure wish they would pick up these guys.
Leila
06-24-2008, 06:12 PM
Welcome Claudia!
I feel the motive may be revenge against a family member by an enemy they made. Both Taylor's and Skyla's family left Oklahoma City because of the violence there, escaping to what they felt was a safer environment. But, both families have family members who've been arrested for criminal activities, or have associated with criminals.
I don't feel the girls witnessed meth being cooked. I feel meth cookers would seek out a more secluded area than a road that's been described as a well-traveled road, leading to a bridge that's a known area where teens hang out.
I don't feel the girls witnessed a drug exchange. From what I understand, drugs are packaged and the package is exchanged for money. If the girls witnessed a drug exchange they wouldn't know what's in the package and make the assumption they were seeing a drug exchange.
I doubt it was an abduction gone wrong, as in most cases of child abduction the abductor flees when he's not successful. I think too, that an abductor would prowl more urban areas looking for a victim.
So, I voted for revenge.
Claudia
06-24-2008, 06:23 PM
Welcome Claudia!
I feel the motive may be revenge against a family member by an enemy they made. Both Taylor's and Skyla's family left Oklahoma City because of the violence there, escaping to what they felt was a safer environment. But, both families have family members who've been arrested for criminal activities, or have associated with criminals.
I don't feel the girls witnessed meth being cooked. I feel meth cookers would seek out a more secluded area than a road that's been described as a well-traveled road, leading to a bridge that's a known area where teens hang out.
I don't feel the girls witnessed a drug exchange. From what I understand, drugs are packaged and the package is exchanged for money. If the girls witnessed a drug exchange they wouldn't know what's in the package and make the assumption they were seeing a drug exchange.
I doubt it was an abduction gone wrong, as in most cases of child abduction the abductor flees when he's not successful. I think too, that an abductor would prowl more urban areas looking for a victim.
So, I voted for revenge.
I agree with you 100% on this.
Thanks for the welcome!
annie mae
06-24-2008, 06:52 PM
Hello. I just heard on my Fox 23, here in Tulsa, that new info is going to be annouced about the murders. Also, Girl Scout Info too. blessings to all here, annie
Beyond Belief
06-24-2008, 07:10 PM
They are saying inclusive on the dna in girl scout killing. Suspect has passed away however.
Beyond Belief
06-24-2008, 07:44 PM
News is saying a special dog will be taken to the scene of the Weleetka murders.
Littledeer
06-26-2008, 11:24 PM
Why not "none of the above"??
I was going to give the vote on "mistaken for deer", but then I realized that is ludicrous. IMO
But after looking and thinking of the other options, I couldn't vote for any of them either at this point.
So, it left me with none of the above. (At this point of time) Which is not an option!
:)
w1df10wr
06-27-2008, 04:27 AM
Voted I don't know - so many possibilities.
christine2448
06-27-2008, 01:06 PM
Why not "none of the above"??
I was going to give the vote on "mistaken for deer", but then I realized that is ludicrous. IMO
But after looking and thinking of the other options, I couldn't vote for any of them either at this point.
So, it left me with none of the above. (At this point of time) Which is not an option!
:)
Wouldn't this fit? I don't know and can't even guess.
Littledeer
06-27-2008, 06:49 PM
:blowkiss:christine
Wouldn't this fit? I don't know and can't even guess.
That pretty much sums it up!
But I do have a guess or two, but they are not given as an option.
I voted revenge.
Like close enough, I too think someone wanted only one of the girls dead. My guess is that the killer felt he had to kill both of them because he couldn't take the chance of one of them talking. I definately think the girls knew the killer.
I am thinking the same but maybe one girl was killed because of knowing something and just maybe the killer/s knew she would have surely told the other.
ITA with your last sentence!
Sly
docwho3
07-08-2008, 02:10 AM
I am hopeful that this one will be solved. I think it is possible that L.E. is getting farther with this case than we know. I don't have any inside info but this case has some characteristics that would seem to make it solvable.
oceanblueeyes
07-08-2008, 11:13 AM
Because OSBI seems to be having a hardship connecting the murderer to this crime I am still leaning that the killer or killers have no connections to either girl and that is why they are trying to rule everyone out that they get a lead on. Up to 450 leads now, iirc.
I do have faith that they will solve this one. They are still trying to eliminate everyone, even the ones who may have been false leads. They gave a polygraph yesterday to someone so they are still going strong on this case. But when the killer or killers are unknown and LE cant establish a motive their net becomes much larger and wider. A daunting task for any police agency and a long and laborious one.
imoo
reefshadow
07-22-2008, 07:04 AM
Because OSBI seems to be having a hardship connecting the murderer to this crime I am still leaning that the killer or killers have no connections to either girl and that is why they are trying to rule everyone out that they get a lead on. Up to 450 leads now, iirc.
I do have faith that they will solve this one. They are still trying to eliminate everyone, even the ones who may have been false leads. They gave a polygraph yesterday to someone so they are still going strong on this case. But when the killer or killers are unknown and LE cant establish a motive their net becomes much larger and wider. A daunting task for any police agency and a long and laborious one.
imoo
I agree with you that the perp knew neither girl, and personally I think this was random and a thrill kill without real motive, and possibly carried out by 2 people (or monsters I should say). None of the other possibilities "smell" right to me.
If they can't pin a perp any other way, there is a very strong possibility that they will get caught because of the guns. People that are crazy enough to do this type of crime in broad daylight WILL screw up in another way, and it seems like it is rather often that the guns lead the way right back to the perp.
Praying for closure for those heartbroken families and sweet girls... :(
Dr. Pennypacker
07-22-2008, 09:55 AM
gut feeling.....girls went to bridge to meet boys
boys rebuked and shot girls
Dr. Pennypacker
07-22-2008, 10:30 AM
crime of passion
hence the overkill
Mysterylover
07-23-2008, 10:09 PM
That just doesn't seem plausible to me but I respect everyone's opinion nor do
I think it is some long delayed drug retaliation against this particular family.
Now if it had happened to the immediate family of Joe Placker Sr or Joe Jr...I would give that more weight but it didn't.
Whomever this thug is he sure is remaining out of sight. No one seems to know him in that small town so he has to be a stranger there.
imo
The only reason I keep retaliation on my list of possibilities, is because of the secrecy surrounding Taylor's birth parents...WHY?
Could it be possible, the killer knew who Taylors bio-parents were and the murders were in retaliation for something in their past??...imo
Mysterylover
07-23-2008, 10:12 PM
gut feeling.....girls went to bridge to meet boys
boys rebuked and shot girls
Excellent point...
At ages 13 and 11 girls do start wanting boys to notice them....so of course the girls want to be around the boys....jmo
annie mae
07-24-2008, 02:21 PM
The only reason I keep retaliation on my list of possibilities, is because of the secrecy surrounding Taylor's birth parents...WHY?
Could it be possible, the killer knew who Taylors bio-parents were and the murders were in retaliation for something in their past??...imo
For the past week I have been trying to go slow and read every post concerning this horrid crime and trust me I am still not done. I have to go along with your thoughts, I read all your posts, about the motive plus other things. And why the big secret surrounding Taylor's real parents? are they in the witness protection program? wouldn't doubt that. And this.... in all the thought about who was the 911 first caller plus whereabouts of the "Plackers"? did not any of those folks ( Plackers and Grandmother) pass a car, or see one during this scrambling? I know that is far-fetched but the time-line is so tight,so to speak, doses this make the POI the killer? Also, Placker 's words of "they killed them" has always stuck in the back of my mind. Now this is all my opinion. I am truly just sharing my thoughts and pray no matter what the case, the killer(s) are found and prosecuted to the fullest. blessings to us all at Websleuths and my prayers to the girls, Taylor & Skyla
Bargle
07-24-2008, 09:30 PM
While I voted 'Thrill kill', it could also be 'silencing a witness' or something that hasn't occurred to us. There's just too little to go on for me to have a firm opinion at this time.
cwgrlfromhell
09-05-2008, 03:39 AM
I am thinking it was a a 'crackhead'. Sometimes these people imagine all kinds of things that aren't true. I live relatively close to this town- and let me tell you- we have major meth problems. It could have been something as simple as 'they looked like cops.' It's a shame. I know I held my kids a little closer the day I heard.
oceanblueeyes
09-05-2008, 08:39 PM
I am thinking it was a a 'crackhead'. Sometimes these people imagine all kinds of things that aren't true. I live relatively close to this town- and let me tell you- we have major meth problems. It could have been something as simple as 'they looked like cops.' It's a shame. I know I held my kids a little closer the day I heard.
I continue to believe this was senseless killings maybe spurned on by meth paranoia. I think the girls knew these guys. I do think it was at least two and maybe more in their vehicle.
Did the killers have a deep dark secret? Did the girls inadvertently discover that secret without meaning to do so? I think that is a great possibility.
imoo
Ruflossn
09-06-2008, 01:57 AM
I continue to believe this was senseless killings maybe spurned on by meth paranoia. I think the girls knew these guys. I do think it was at least two and maybe more in their vehicle.
Did the killers have a deep dark secret? Did the girls inadvertently discover that secret without meaning to do so? I think that is a great possibility.
imoo
hi Ocean,
I believe that it was 2 young males who
1) were caught in a "compromising position" or
2) were caught w/ drugs.
I think they got mad at the girls and murdered them. I also think you are correct when you say that they probably went immediately to a family member or friends house and acted like nothing had happened.
Very Scary behavior imo.
Flossie
ginzy
10-10-2008, 03:00 PM
gut feeling.....girls went to bridge to meet boys
boys rebuked and shot girls
maybe an ex-girlfirend or a girlfriend of one of the boys??? IDK but that theory seems really possible.
or maybe one of them had an older boyfriend ???
Mysterylover
10-10-2008, 08:02 PM
For the past week I have been trying to go slow and read every post concerning this horrid crime and trust me I am still not done. I have to go along with your thoughts, I read all your posts, about the motive plus other things.
And why the big secret surrounding Taylor's real parents? are they in the witness protection program? wouldn't doubt that.
And this.... in all the thought about who was the 911 first caller plus whereabouts of the "Plackers"?
did not any of those folks ( Plackers and Grandmother) pass a car, or see one during this scrambling?
I know that is far-fetched but the time-line is so tight, so to speak, does this make the POI the killer?
Also, Placker 's words of "they killed them" has always stuck in the back of my mind. Now this is all my opinion.
I am truly just sharing my thoughts and pray no matter what the case, the killer(s) are found and prosecuted to the fullest. blessings to us all at Websleuths and my prayers to the girls, Taylor & Skyla.....
Annie Mae...wish we knew the answers..:waitasec:
I really believe that the killers were high on Meth. I also think that Taylor was a "hit" and Skyla was just there. The way they were shot and killed, shows lots of rage. More rage aimed at Taylor. The time line is so tight that this had to be planned. These children were so close to home, I just can't understand this. I think they were sending a message to some one in that family. IMO
Boots-OK
10-22-2008, 07:26 PM
I really believe that the killers were high on Meth. I also think that Taylor was a "hit" and Skyla was just there. The way they were shot and killed, shows lots of rage. More rage aimed at Taylor. The time line is so tight that this had to be planned. These children were so close to home, I just can't understand this. I think they were sending a message to some one in that family. IMO
Thanks Bern for your input. Many readers have voiced this same (or similar)
opinion! All insight and thoughts are welcome here - we are all joined together in wanting justice for these girls and their loved ones!
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