Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #8

[SeriouslySearching]

Please continue here~

(If you will look at the bottom of the page, you will find the list of the other threads.)

[SeriouslySearching]

POI:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/POI1.jpg

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,366464,00.html

[SeriouslySearching]

I respect your opinion but I disagree on this one. Impression casting can be made on soil just like what is on this road.

LE takes shoe and tire impressions often on dirt roads just like this one.

And yes, they will photograph the prints also.

Hopefully they have done both because there are times that the photographs are unclear and we know it rained and then the road was scraped shortly thereafter.I would think they would have mentioned it tho. Then again, they have been unclear on so many things. I am getting really exasperated with our OSBI and LE right now. They started off so well and then went the way of so many other departments around the country with lack of public information and clarity of the POI.

[oceanblueeyes]

I would think they would have mentioned it tho. Then again, they have been unclear on so many things. I am getting really exasperated with our OSBI and LE right now. They started off so well and then went the way of so many other departments around the country with lack of public information and clarity of the POI.

Yes, they sure seem to be a little bogged down now. Maybe because they have so many leads to check out. As you know in other cases the leads can peter out within a short time and they don't have anymore tips coming in. I guess we should remain hopeful since they are still pursuing leads.

imoo

[bigbuck]

Thanks for the new thread SS. :blowkiss:
If ever there was a case in need of a forum this is it.!

[SailorMoon]

Here's hoping they find someone this week. I just can't imagine what the families are going through.

[SeriouslySearching]

You are welcome, Bucky~ Not sure about needing a forum just yet tho. :) I just didn't want the threads to get too long since LE might be reading here.

[bigbuck]

You may be right my friend but, with eight threads and a poll about the case. I believe it's getting close. Perhaps they should move poor Brianna to cold cases and give this case her spot.

[SeriouslySearching]

Boy, if there ever was an ice cold case...Bri's hit that frozen wall fast. Sadly. That is a good idea tho.

I think a forum might take us so deep into speculation land that we may get lost in the mud and the muck. Oh, well...nothing ventured nothing gained. Right?!

[poco]

QUESTION: They did get some foot prints, am I correct????

Now, assuming the girls had saw something down at the bridge and were running home as apposed to just casually walking, would LE have been able to tell this......... I wonder if they checked.

[SeriouslySearching]

For certain, they got a boot print. They did mention seeing footprints in the plural. We can only hope this is the case and they know if the girls were walking casually or running.

[poco]

For certain, they got a boot print. They did mention seeing footprints in the plural. We can only hope this is the case and they know if the girls were walking casually or running.

IF they were running, that would tell a lot, IMO.

[bigbuck]

Boy, if there ever was an ice cold case...Bri's hit that frozen wall fast. Sadly. That is a good idea tho.

I think a forum might take us so deep into speculation land that we may get lost in the mud and the muck. Oh, well...nothing ventured nothing gained. Right?!

You know SS I have found the threads on this case fasinating. There're posters on board offering all kinds of theories and, even drawings on their visions among other things. I think this case is really bringing out the best that WS has to offer.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe. Girls run tho. They were on a schedule of sorts to get back to the house before Skyla's mother came. They were energetic and probably didn't pay much attention to the heat of the day. If Taylor saw an animal...she might run ahead to get to it...for instance. (Not that this was the case)

[poco]

Maybe. Girls run tho. They were on a schedule of sorts to get back to the house before Skyla's mother came. They were energetic and probably didn't pay much attention to the heat of the day. If Taylor saw an animal...she might run ahead to get to it...for instance. (Not that this was the case)

True, if they hadn't been killed - but they were killed...... if they were running, IMO, they were running from something.

[SeriouslySearching]

You know SS I have found the threads on this case fasinating. There're posters on board offering all kinds of theories and, even drawings on their visions among other things. I think this case is really bringing out the best that WS has to offer.:) I think WSers are on the ball on every case.

I have to get caught up on all the threads the past week, but there have been some fascinating theories floating here. I know everyone wants to find the POS perp/perps who could so brutally do this to two innocent girls. Only a cold blooded, evil POS could live with knowing what was done to them. This case needs to be wrapped up and not hang like the GS murders.

[SeriouslySearching]

True, if they hadn't been killed - but they were killed...... if they were running, IMO, they were running from something.I will have to go back to find the quote of them being shot in the front only. If they had been running from something, I would expect them to have been shot in the back at least once. I think being shot in the front shows surprise and the inability to run away.

[poco]

I will have to go back to find the quote of them being shot in the front only. If they had been running from something, I would expect them to have been shot in the back at least once. I think being shot in the front shows surprise and the inability to run away.

Okay, so they see something - they take off running - he pulls up in the truck to cut them off - they stop running - he jumps out of the car - has a gun in hand. There they stand -

Everything and anything is a possibility, I realize that..... just brain storming.

[SeriouslySearching]

That scenario works for me. The way the truck was positioned according to witnesses...it makes sense.

[Patience]

Could gunshots be heard from 300 yards away? How loud would that be? I wonder if the Plackers heard these shots.

[SeriouslySearching]

Jessica Brown (OSBI) went through this. The wind was blowing furiously in the direction to carry the sound away from their house and coupled with being inside...the AC on, the TV on, and other things buffering the sound...they may not have heard them. The people who did hear them said they were "unusual" which I would take to mean not like a rifle or shotgun which they would normally hear. I believe I read one witness and her son lived a mile away which I find interesting. I would like to know exactly where and what direction from the crime scene.

[SeriouslySearching]

Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

which got me to remember and look for this…

June 12th – Lead Agent Rosser
In a news conference Wednesday, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agent Ben Rosser said investigators are trying to find children who talked to the girls often and knew their habits.

"We're talking to young people because the victims were young,” Rosser said. "We've got leads, and we're talking to their friends, but a lot of people are harder to find than others.”

http://newsok.com/article/3256335 (http://newsok.com/article/3256335)If that is true, it would explain Rosser's comment in the article and also explain why the girls didn't run. They knew the killers, yet had no idea what was coming.Here you go! :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Jessica Brown (OSBI) went through this. The wind was blowing furiously in the direction to carry the sound away from their house and coupled with being inside...the AC on, the TV on, and other things buffering the sound...they may not have heard them. The people who did hear them said they were "unusual" which I would take to mean not like a rifle or shotgun which they would normally hear. I believe I read one witness and her son lived a mile away which I find interesting. I would like to know exactly where and what direction from the crime scene.

True, it certainly would make a difference.

From the one witness we heard from they were outside when they heard the shots. Maybe the others were also.

imoo

[kahskye]

Okay, so they see something - they take off running - he pulls up in the truck to cut them off - they stop running - he jumps out of the car - has a gun in hand. There they stand -

Everything and anything is a possibility, I realize that..... just brain storming.

That's exactly what I was thinking. They probably froze in their tracks when the truck pulled in front of them.

[SeriouslySearching]

If this is the case...what occurred prior to him/them confronting the girls in such a manner?

*saw something they should not have
*overheard something they should not have
*interrupted something in progress
*attempted abduction gone awry
*thrill kill
*revenge kill

[SeriouslySearching]

Could this man have been planning something and he was on a cellphone talking to someone about it...the girls came up on him before he realized they could hear him?

[MeoW333]

Thank you, SS :) i thought maybe it would automatically go to the new thread, with a little help from you it did ;)

[SeriouslySearching]

Did anyone post this? If so, sorry for the duplicate.

False Hope From False Report

Cases that capture the attention of people tend to result in many false leads and false confessions.

"We've had several people who have acted or told other people they did it," says Brown. "They want their 15 minutes of fame. Typically they want people to think that they are dangerous people."

Brown says calls also come in from people who genuinely want to help, but she says those calls can hinder the investigation as well.

"It's not a big deal, but that's counterproductive," says Brown. "We need to get information on the case, specifically on the case, not theories. We have enough theories on our own."

http://www.ksbitv.com/news/20516384.html (Bolded by me)

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank you, SS :) i thought maybe it would automatically go to the new thread, with a little help from you it did ;)You are welcome. I didn't want it to get lost or left out. :)

[Patience]

The guy in the following link is wanted by the FBI in Oklahoma. Kinda looks like the sketch. Apparently has grown his hair long now. Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/badillo_jg.htm


TRANSPORTING A MINOR IN FOREIGN COMMERCE WITH INTENT TO ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY; TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS/VICTIM; FIRST DEGREE RAPE; POSSESSION OF CHILD PORNOGRAPHY JOSE GUSTAVO BADILLO


http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/badillo_jg1.jpghttp://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/badillo_jg2.jpgPhotographs taken in 2005



Alias:Jose Gustavo Bidillo

[Busylady]

Been thinking about this for awhile basically because of another case, where several posters were emailing LE with questions, theories, and information, then posters where emailing LE verifying that the emails people were posting were really from LE etc. It basically resulted in LE no longer communicating with any posters on that case. I wonder if there is anyway to have just one or two people per case be the contact with LE. I do not know how you would go about figuring out who those people would be, but it might prevent alot of duplicate information being sent to LE?

Excuse the rambling just something that has been running through my head.

Did anyone post this? If so, sorry for the duplicate.

False Hope From False Report

Cases that capture the attention of people tend to result in many false leads and false confessions.

"We've had several people who have acted or told other people they did it," says Brown. "They want their 15 minutes of fame. Typically they want people to think that they are dangerous people."

Brown says calls also come in from people who genuinely want to help, but she says those calls can hinder the investigation as well.

"It's not a big deal, but that's counterproductive," says Brown. "We need to get information on the case, specifically on the case, not theories. We have enough theories on our own."

http://www.ksbitv.com/news/20516384.html (Bolded by me)

[SeriouslySearching]

He is Hispanic, not NA. (His hair is quite wavy-looking, too.) There is a distinct difference in appearance and people of the area would recognize it.

[evelyn24]

He doesn't really look like the poi.

[oceanblueeyes]

Been thinking about this for awhile basically because of another case, where several posters were emailing LE with questions, theories, and information, then posters where emailing LE verifying that the emails people were posting were really from LE etc. It basically resulted in LE no longer communicating with any posters on that case. I wonder if there is anyway to have just one or two people per case be the contact with LE. I do not know how you would go about figuring out who those people would be, but it might prevent alot of duplicate information being sent to LE?

Excuse the rambling just something that has been running through my head.

I can certainly see why it would be an emotional roller coaster for the families.
That has to be so earth shattering for them.....thinking they have found the killer only for it not to be true.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

Been thinking about this for awhile basically because of another case, where several posters were emailing LE with questions, theories, and information, then posters where emailing LE verifying that the emails people were posting were really from LE etc. It basically resulted in LE no longer communicating with any posters on that case. I wonder if there is anyway to have just one or two people per case be the contact with LE. I do not know how you would go about figuring out who those people would be, but it might prevent alot of duplicate information being sent to LE?

Excuse the rambling just something that has been running through my head.Since Christine has obviously set up a communication with them...I think it should be continued.

I am not surprised at the comments from Jessica Brown. Sleuth sites often won't be viewed from a legitimate standpoint by LE because of such issues. You get too many people sending in theories and speculation when they need actual facts and leads directly relating to the girls (ie. I saw the crime, I know the POI, etc). This is why I rarely contact LE unless there is something very specific to alert them to.

[Claycat]

That's exactly what I was thinking. They probably froze in their tracks when the truck pulled in front of them.

Vehicle idling - I could smell the fumes.

"Just pay! Pay for me!"

pop tarts

They froze. It was sudden. They passed so fast, they didn't realize they were dead at first.

eternal flame

[SeriouslySearching]

Just to let you know about Tulsa's gang problem...here is a perfect example:

Tulsa Police are looking for a group of teenagers they say robbed two men at gunpoint Sunday night.

~snip~

The victims say the teens were hiding between several parked cars, and were carrying handguns and a shotgun.

The suspects are described as four black males between 14 and 16 years old.

http://www.kjrh.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=fd7487cf-79bf-450d-96d3-414a712a4e41&rss=701

More:
(NORTH TULSA, Okla.) June 19 - A drive-by shooting overnight has police searching for answers this morning.

Officers say around 1:30 this morning someone shot into a house where six people, including children were inside asleep.

Police say right now there are no suspects and no witnesses.

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=2b792b64-006f-439f-a12a-d9329a9a7e7a&rss=77

I could post these almost every day here. (The same goes for OKC news.)

[KR2tonenow]

Did anyone post this? If so, sorry for the duplicate.

False Hope From False Report

Cases that capture the attention of people tend to result in many false leads and false confessions.

"We've had several people who have acted or told other people they did it," says Brown. "They want their 15 minutes of fame. Typically they want people to think that they are dangerous people."

Brown says calls also come in from people who genuinely want to help, but she says those calls can hinder the investigation as well.

"It's not a big deal, but that's counterproductive," says Brown. "We need to get information on the case, specifically on the case, not theories. We have enough theories on our own."

http://www.ksbitv.com/news/20516384.html (Bolded by me)

I haven't seen this article SS.

I understand OSBI is unidated. However, there could be that one theory they haven't thought of. I sure hope they aren't rejecting ideas from the public.

They're holding back on key evidence with the public already, probably for there own valid reasons. However, seems to me they are coming to a stand still, with relying on the POI to crack this case.

He is probably in Mexico already.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would have to assume by Brown's comments they are rejecting theories and speculation from the public right now. They need facts and not ideas.

Mexico?!

[KR2tonenow]

I would have to assume by Brown's comments they are rejecting theories and speculation from the public right now. They need facts and not ideas.

Mexico?!

So are we to assume then that based on all the facts, they can catch who did this?

OT: This is a flashback to when the other "Brown" in NC stated that Laurean would be caught, and he was able to flee to Mexico on a bus.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the idea is to follow up the leads they already have to hopefully take them in the right direction to solve this case. People have been coming forward from the immediate area and it is what they need to concentrate on for the moment. They did say their investigation has taken them to Tulsa, OKC, and Sallisaw (IIRC). Maybe from those communities more information will be gleaned and can see where it takes them.

Ah, OK...but in the Laurean case...he had relatives there and he fit in with the culture being he was from Mexico. I could see this NA going almost anywhere in OK, TX, NM, CO and fitting in...which is the problem. He doesn't have to travel very far for that.

I ran across a fella that struck up a conversation with me last week. He mentioned he was Irish and Choctaw (he did not look NA). He also mentioned he had cut his hair which was really long. If his hair had not been reddish/brown and had he looked anything like the sketch...I would have called him in already. (He also had what seemed to be a lazy eye or something.) Anyway, those are the leads they need.

[Tom'sGirl]

So are we to assume then that based on all the facts, they can catch who did this?

OT: This is a flashback to when the other "Brown" in NC stated that Laurean would be caught, and he was able to flee to Mexico on a bus.

You're speaking of the Lauterbach/Laurean case, and yes he did flee to Mexico, he was born there, so no surprise, and now we're waiting to see if he fights Extradition.

This case is different in that the crime was reported immediately and the Media was on top of it from the start. With Sheriff Brown, it was not the case as it took some time before they knew they were dealing with a horrific murder case.

[SailorMoon]

Boy would I like to know what they (they being all LE on this case) and what Skyla's and Taylor's parents think as to what the heck caused this!!

[SeriouslySearching]

LE probably has a good idea, but aren't going to say.

The poor parents and grands must be starting to come out of the shock and into the reality of their girls being gone. I feel so sorry for them not knowing what happened. For their sake, I would hope LE keeps them better informed...but from that article I posted above...I don't know that they are telling them anything either. Very sad.

[tamfish]

Been thinking about this a lot..... here's a theory. First, there seem to be a lot of things about this case being thrown around as FACTUAL that may or may not be. This theory may have already been offered by another poster -- if so, I apologize. I try to keep up with this but it is extremely difficult, as this case is drawing hundreds of posts per day.

My theory:

Botched child abduction by a pedophile.

Most pedophiles would not try to abduct TWO kids at once -- that's pretty ballsy. UNLESS you have a gun -- you could intimidate the kids easily enough to enter your vehicle together. OR you have a partner. Or both.

Since most reports are speaking of only ONE POI at the scene, I'm going with the single abductor with a gun. The girls were found close together -- but not side by side, correct? The abductor stops, threatens them with a weapon. One girl starts to go with him -- the other begins to run. He shoots her. Then he has to shoot the other because she saw everything and can identify him. He adds shots from the 2nd gun to throw off the investigation. (A last minute brainstorm on his part?)

Or maybe the girls were not actually walking TOGETHER at the time. Maybe one had run ahead of the other. Maybe they had a petty argument? Girls that age can and will. Maybe one ran ahead of the other -- the abductor approaches, attempts to abduct her, then realizes the 2nd girl coming up the road, has to shoot her because she's screaming and yelling at him? Then has to shoot the other because she saw everything?

This case is so freakin' confusing. :(

[evelyn24]

I don't know how it went down, but I'm leaning toward an abducton gone wrong, maybe Taylor's cell started to ring, maybe the POI heard another car coming?
Who knows, but that makes most sense to me, other than a thrill killing.

I'm a little sad to hear the LE is no closer in Id'ing the poi.

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't know how it went down, but I'm leaning toward an abducton gone wrong, maybe Taylor's cell started to ring, maybe the POI heard another car coming?
Who knows, but that makes most sense to me, other than a thrill killing.

I'm a little sad to hear the LE is no closer in Id'ing the poi.
Just my opinion here, but if the POI heard a car coming it seems to me he wouldn't start discharging his firearm as it would only attract attention.

About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.

[GetSmart]

Originally Posted by cloudajo http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2317667#post2317667)
Comment posted on Youtube:
"I have family that live fairly close to Waleetka and "rumors" are that one of the girls told on a boy at school for drugs and he openly told her he would kill her 2 wks before this happen. The police went to talk to him and he had suddenly "ran away" from home and cant be located according to his parents. Its also thought the parents knows he had something to do with this and are helping him hide out because they refuse to report him as a missing person."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU (http://youtube.com/watch?v=p9bGWVgKmuU)

Have you read the comments related to this link...all of them? I know we frown on "gossip" but I caught a comment from someone that stated he talked to the GF

Now to something else..I was watching a show about these kids who made their own gang up they wanted to be bad azz boys anyway for no reason other than being mean basicaly they took their friend and shot her, on a dirt road in the back of the head. I think the show was on Tru TV.

[philamena]

J...
SNIP
About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.

That is a very important question.

[SailorMoon]

That is a very important question.


Didn't they call her? That's what prompted them to PHYSICALLY go search for her/them??

[SweetPea2]

Just my opinion here, but if the POI heard a car coming it seems to me he wouldn't start discharging his firearm as it would only attract attention.

About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.
I thought g'pa DID call, she didn't answer so he went looking for her.

[Albert18]

What is so striking about this case are the odd factors. I could see one or two but this case seems to have three.

* The crime itself. Two young girls gunned down not far from the one girl's home on a late Sunday afternoon. Two young girls and it's not sexual?

* The behavior of LE. They need public assistance to solve the case but they seem to be pushing the public away. First Sheriff Rice and now OSBI's Brown "complain" about the publics input. Well sorrrry. At first I thought they were keeping everything so hush hush to protect witnesses but I don't think that anymore. I think the public is being patted on the head and told to go outside and play.

* The behavior of the families. The families are either behaving the way they are because this is their style or personalities or there is more going on in the background then we know. I don't know what to think.

[Busylady]

It is my understanding that the grandmother did try and call her but got no answer, therefore the grandfather went to look for them.

Just my opinion here, but if the POI heard a car coming it seems to me he wouldn't start discharging his firearm as it would only attract attention.

About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.

[MCDRAW]

I thought they called too. When there was no answer the Grandfather then went to look for them.

[sweetheart29]

Just my opinion here, but if the POI heard a car coming it seems to me he wouldn't start discharging his firearm as it would only attract attention.

About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.

They did call it she did not answer it. So grandpa went looking for them.

[GetSmart]

The bodies of 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker were found Sunday by Taylor's grandfather, Peter, after he became worried when his wife tried calling the girl's cellular phone and got no answer.


http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8450014 < Story has one girl's photo


This statement is on the very first thread.

[Busylady]

The other thing I have wondered is because of the outrage of two innocent young girls being murdered, if LE is getting a tight lip on things because they want to make sure they have everything they need to make an arrest stick, and they do not want the towns people to know what direction the investigation is going in for fear of people taking things into their own hands.

[CarpeDiem]

The other thing I have wondered is because of the outrage of two innocent young girls being murdered, if LE is getting a tight lip on things because they want to make sure they have everything they need to make an arrest stick, and they do not want the towns people to know what direction the investigation is going in for fear of people taking things into their own hands.

Yes, and look at past issues with jury selections, etc. Too much media hurts.

[evelyn24]

Just my opinion here, but if the POI heard a car coming it seems to me he wouldn't start discharging his firearm as it would only attract attention.

About Taylors cell phone, since she carried it with her, I wonder why her grandparents didn't call her to come home instead of going to look for her.

I'm not talking about him shooting when he heard a car, but the car stopped him from the abduction, and he shot after the car passed. Maybe he already tried to talk to the girls and was ignored, or they said something smart to him.
Maybe he's been in jail for a sex crime and didn't want to go back and killed them to prevent them from telling. Maybe he's a registered sex offender, but in another state, and the poi is not registered in the state he currently lives (oklahoma)?
idk..just throwing out theories.

[Tom'sGirl]

Didn't they call her? That's what prompted them to PHYSICALLY go search for her/them??
Maybe they did and I missed that part.

[Leila]

True, if they hadn't been killed - but they were killed...... if they were running, IMO, they were running from something.

I had unexpected company for the weekend and haven't been able to read/post for two days, but it doesn't look like there much in the way of new information.

I doubt the girls were running as they were both shot in face/head and chest. They were confronted by their killer(s).

[DeltaDawn]

I don't know if anyone posted this article yet but here is the link.

http://www.adaeveningnews.com/local/local_story_172185516.html

SNIP/
Last Friday, investigators released a sketch of a man they are calling a “person of interest.” A witness reported seeing the man sitting outside of a pickup shortly before, near where the girls were killed.
/SNIP

Interesting to me because I wasn't aware prior to this that he was sitting. I, for some reason, always thought of him standing by the truck. But up until this I don't beleive they ever released what position the POI 's body was in when the witness saw him.

If he was infact sitting, then sitting doing what? Waiting for someone? Just sitting outside the truck along a dirt road, near a woods. Hmmm..makes me think a drug deal was going down in the woods and he was waiting / guarding the area.

[Tom'sGirl]

Didn't they call her? That's what prompted them to PHYSICALLY go search for her/them??
Yes, I overlooked it!

[Tom'sGirl]

The bodies of 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker were found Sunday by Taylor's grandfather, Peter, after he became worried when his wife tried calling the girl's cellular phone and got no answer.


http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8450014 < Story has one girl's photo


This statement is on the very first thread.

Thanks, I overlooked it!

[Tom'sGirl]

They did call it she did not answer it. So grandpa went looking for them.
Yes, I overlooked it, thanks!

[GetSmart]

Easy to do !! It all runs together after a while :)

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, I overlooked it, thanks!

LOL TG..Did you overlook it? Just teasing...DD

[Tom'sGirl]

LOL TG..Did you overlook it? Just teasing...DD
I sure as he!! did DD :) That's what I get for not reading from the beginning of this case..........sigh!

[Tom'sGirl]

Easy to do !! It all runs together after a while :)
My own fault GS, I have no excuse :bang:

[Leila]

Here you go! :)

This theory does sound plausible. But it's been two weeks and I would think that law enforcement would have been able to find a teenager/classmate by now. Even if the parents did send the boy to an undisclosed location, LE has the resources to check into relatives and friends. Other teens and classmates would probably talk too. They're notorious for not being able to keep secrets.

Now, I can see a teen getting angry and making the threat - "I'm going to kill you" without intending on carrying through with that threat. But then when the person the teen said it to ends up being killed, the teen gets scared and runs away, thinking he'll be blamed because he said the words. This part of the rumor could very well be true.

But there's other elements of this case that suggest that it was likely an adult or adults that carried out this horrific crime. The POI is one element this case that's puzzling, and I think the key to this case is with the POI.

[GetSmart]

Now Thats just funny..lol

[Trino]

I've read the posts from Day One, and I don't believe this was an abduction. Evidence suggests the girls were walking, not running. The bodies were found close together. There appears no evidence of an attack either, which probably means no DNA on the girls. The case is baffling, to say the least.

[Morag]

A statement from Jessica Brown (I think) about encouraging someone to come forward, we know you weren't involved, something like that? I've been looking for it to no avail. Here is the only thing that was close, and it's not it:

Jessica Brown, an OSBI Spokesperson said, "We know someone has information out there, whether or not they're scared or why they're not coming forward we do not know. But they do not have to be worried because if we can get the people off the streets who did this there's nothing to worry about at that point in time. We need to get this resolved as quickly as possible."

[SeekingJana]

From Morag's post. This part would't copy:
Jessica Brown, an OSBI Spokesperson said, "We know someone has information out there, whether or not they're scared or why they're not coming forward we do not know. But they do not have to be worried because if we can get the people off the streets who did this there's nothing to worry about at that point in time. We need to get this resolved as quickly as possible."

Notice the use of the plural " people" in the sentence- " But they do not have to be worried because if we can get the people off the streets who did this.. etc".

I don't know at what point in the investigation the plural was used, but apparently at some point, LE believed there were more than one person involved, which I believe is likely. Would they say this solely because 2 guns were used to shoot both girls, or from other evidence or eyewitness testimony?
It is a crime of overkill, as many have already said here. I wonder if there is physical evidence such as shoe prints pointing to two perps instead of one.

I tend to think the man in the white truck, the one who was seen and who has a composite sketch was either a lookout for whatever a person or persons were doing in the woods or was an innocent onlooker of the unusual activity. I don't think the person or persons who did the shooting were there to abduct little girls.

Do we know who owns the land? Is it public information?

Thanks,
Maria

[GetSmart]

Do we know who owns the land? Is it public information?

Good idea.

[murdershewrote]

to me, that POI is long gone out of the area, and I mean far away from there. Otherwise, seems somebody would have ID'd him by now. The town isn't that big. If he was a local, somebody would have "missed" him by now, so maybe he wasn't from around there after all.

[close_enough]

LOL TG..Did you overlook it? Just teasing...DD

lol, i was going to post the same thing :p

[SailorMoon]

Okay....to me, the POI is a description that fits about 50% of the men in that area, maybe not that high, but close. I live in the DFW area and I can think of 2 men that I know here that fits that description.

So...is the POI even real? Let's say yes. And maybe he did go bee bopping down the road and see that, or thought he saw the girls lying there and figured crap....I'm the prime suspect, they are going to pin this on me and split. Not what most of us would do, but possible.

And do you think its possible that ole OSBI and LE know who did this -- have a good idea and are waiting on the proof or waiting on them to screw up, therefore, the shoo shooing of the theories by public?? I'm not sure what the heck to think anymore. I just hope LE knows.

[close_enough]

Okay....to me, the POI is a description that fits about 50% of the men in that area, maybe not that high, but close. I live in the DFW area and I can think of 2 men that I know here that fits that description.

So...is the POI even real? Let's say yes. And maybe he did go bee bopping down the road and see that, or thought he saw the girls lying there and figured crap....I'm the prime suspect, they are going to pin this on me and split. Not what most of us would do, but possible.

And do you think its possible that ole OSBI and LE know who did this -- have a good idea and are waiting on the proof or waiting on them to screw up, therefore, the shoo shooing of the theories by public?? I'm not sure what the heck to think anymore. I just hope LE knows.

i think it's very possible, SM....(your scenario in bold)

[GetSmart]

SM "therefore, the shoo shooing of the theories by public??"

I was kind thinking that maybe one of theories have hit the nail on the head & the LE doesn't want the cat out of the bag.

[Tom'sGirl]

lol, i was going to post the same thing :p
Okay you and DD, go ahead and make me feel bad :Banane28:

[SailorMoon]

That could be as well Smart -- or, it could simply be that they feel they are wasting too much times listening to rambling biddies like me with their versions of ---"let me tell you what I think happened..." But I don't recall ever hearing an agency discourage tips before.. has anyone else?? Too too confusing and I do think theres a lot of stuff we have no idea of.

For instance..I remember with the Groene case...they found a minimal amount of weed and their smoking utensils in the bedroom and some more under the stairs. But we never heard anything about any drugs until way after. Which, I think was smart, because drugs played no part in what happened there. But do you see what I mean...who knows what we DON'T know.

[close_enough]

Okay you and DD, go ahead and make me feel bad :Banane28:

lol, sorry, but it was just sooooo easy...:Banane37:

[Leila]

I thought g'pa DID call, she didn't answer so he went looking for her.

Yes, grandma or grandpa tried to call Taylor's cell phone a couple of times, and after it was not answered, that's when grandpa decided to go looking for the girls.

[GetSmart]

What we don't have access to is info you are so right. That is why I sure wish we a local to fill us in.

[poco]

Well, IMO, it had to be something pretty damn big for someone to blow away two little girls................

[Albert18]

So...is the POI even real? Let's say yes. And maybe he did go bee bopping down the road and see that, or thought he saw the girls lying there and figured crap....I'm the prime suspect, they are going to pin this on me and split. Not what most of us would do, but possible.


But OSBI says he was seen by the witness minutes before the gunshots. So the girls should have still been alive at that point.

So did the witness who drove by the POI also see the girls? They must have been there somewhere if OSBI says the POI was seen minutes before the gunshots.

[murdershewrote]

IMHO, honestly I don't think LE has a clue who did this.

[Leila]

to me, that POI is long gone out of the area, and I mean far away from there. Otherwise, seems somebody would have ID'd him by now. The town isn't that big. If he was a local, somebody would have "missed" him by now, so maybe he wasn't from around there after all.

I agree.........if the POI was a local person, he would have been identified already, especially with the reward money being higher than the average annual income of most residents in the area.

I tend to think the POI was not a local, but perhaps he knew his way around the area from previous trips there.

If the POI had any involvement in the crime, I tend to think he's long gone from the area and in hiding somewhere.

[FlowerChild]

I've read the posts from Day One, and I don't believe this was an abduction. Evidence suggests the girls were walking, not running. The bodies were found close together. There appears no evidence of an attack either, which probably means no DNA on the girls. The case is baffling, to say the least.
The 1st article (Fox) says the ME stated the girls were shot in the FACE and CHEST (vs Head and Body) - it says to me that they were walking (people saw them walking, they made no "SOS" call home) and were confronted by their killer - face to face.

I have to agree with Trino - Pedophiles don't kill kids they TRY to abduct - there is no reason - even if the person is KNOWN to the children why would he kill them - he hadn't DONE anything or touched them (their word against his) - there was no reason to kill the girls - especially in such a hideous (non-sexual) manner...pedophiles are usually trying to AVOID detection, not openly invite onlookers or witnesses. Multiple gunshots (extreme overkill) is certainly not the MO of a pedophile. If the killer is the POI--- well the POI was standing or sitting outside his vehicle - a vehicle OPENLY and OBVIOUSLY parked askew in the road - not skulking around in the bushes hiding himself from public view.

This killing says to me:
ONE Killer
-The Killer was an adult - at least 20 years old
-The Killer was serious about killing both girls - multiple shots, 2 firearms, no doubt the girls were dead when he left
-The Killer was not nervous - or inexperienced - this killing was ugly - young girls, multiple gunshots, up close, in their face, and it wasn't "silent" or "clean" - head/face shots?? Those are bloody and ugly and nasty...they sicken even experienced LE officers
-The Killer felt "justified" - almost a feeling of vengeance, vigilante justice, or settling a score here. The killer left "piles" of bullet casings lying in the road where he stood and shot these girls. It seems so personal, so targeted, so blatantly "screw you" somehow. There was anger, but it was controlled anger - he didn't just spray bullets everywhere - every shot was targeted to kill...not maim, not warn, not hurt...KILL. And he didn't leave until he was sure the girls were dead...even though it might have taken longer and risked detection or getting caught.
-The Killer felt it was more important that the girls were dead, than it was to not be observed or caught or clean up any evidence. I think the casings just weren't a concern - this killer came with one or two "throw away guns" (premeditated). The killer had to know how busy that road was - and he was seen by someone because the POI was seen by several people - and he just didn't care. It also tells me that he didn't worry about being recognized - like he wasn't from the area and was not associated with either family in any way.

My instincts tell me that the killer targeted Taylor and Skyla - but in my mind the target might not specifically have been them - as in personally Taylor and Skyla. It could have been that the Killer was
- mad at a similar girl or girls
- or he was targeting one of the girls over a problem with someone (not immediate family) associated with one family
- or maybe he is delusional or mentally ill and one of the girls reminded him of someone else - a daughter or a sister
- or maybe he was delusional or mentally ill and thought the girls were "bad or "evil"

I just get that feeling that the Killer was shooting and shooting - like once he started he couldn't stop until he had emptied two guns. Almost like he had a "fit" and when it was over, he was calm and "normal" again and just got in his vehicle and drove away. Now if it is true that there were "execution" shots under the chins of the girls I would lean more toward a killer who knew at least ONE of the girls or her family and the family was the general target.

Otherwise, I am not sure that in the Killers mind, he killed Taylor and Skyla - he may believe he killed something "evil" or someone who abused him or was responsible for some death or loss in his life. Maybe the Killer (in some delusional, even drug addled state) blames one of the girls (or in general maybe girls from their school or area?) for (choose one) his divorce, his wife leaving him, losing custody of his kid(s), his child's death, his childs illness, losing his home, losing his job etc etc etc. I seems to me, the Killer almost tried to "erase" the girls as individuals and make them (in his mind) representative of some bigger evil he was compelled to eradicate and killing them with such "force" gave the Killer relief from something inside him.

I believe there must be SOME link between the Killer and one of the girls or her family, OR a link between the Killer and something the girls were generally a part of or represented to the Killer. I don't think both the location and the victims were "random" - either he was after a family OR he was after a "look" or area or an organization or something the girls represented to him personally.

My Opinion

[SeekingJana]

Could someone who knows how please do a land search and find out who owns the land where the girls were killed? I know it's a matter of public record, but I don't know how to do it. The may not be important at all, or it may be very important.
If the landowner is not local, it would be more important, perhaps.

Thanks!
Maria

[SeekingJana]

FlowerChild said: "I believe there must be SOME link between the Killer and one of the girls or her family, OR a link between the Killer and something the girls were generally a part of or represented to the Killer. "

I have had the feeling that there is a link between the killer and one of the girls from the very beginning, when I was not feeling well enough to post on the case. The other was killed because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Because so much of the girls' backgrounds is unknown, I think the intended target could be either girl equally, at this point in what we know. I think the extreme silence about their families other than Mr. Plaket and his wife is also indicative of LE supressing info for a reason.

One thing I keep wondering about: There is a tent shown in the Plaket yard during one of the interviews with Taylor's grandfather.
Is anyone local to the case who might know anything about why there's a tent in his yard in near 100 degree weather? It's WAY too hot in this part of the country for being closed up in a tent for any period of time.
It's one of those things I wonder about.. not that it's sinister.

Maria

[oceanblueeyes]

The 1st article (Fox) says the ME stated the girls were shot in the FACE and CHEST (vs Head and Body) - it says to me that they were walking (people saw them walking, they made no "SOS" call home) and were confronted by their killer - face to face.

I have to agree with Trino - Pedophiles don't kill kids they TRY to abduct - there is no reason - even if the person is KNOWN to the children why would he kill them - he hadn't DONE anything or touched them (their word against his) - there was no reason to kill the girls - especially in such a hideous (non-sexual) manner...pedophiles are usually trying to AVOID detection, not openly invite onlookers or witnesses. Multiple gunshots (extreme overkill) is certainly not the MO of a pedophile. If the killer is the POI--- well the POI was standing or sitting outside his vehicle - a vehicle OPENLY and OBVIOUSLY parked askew in the road - not skulking around in the bushes hiding himself from public view.

This killing says to me:
ONE Killer
-The Killer was an adult - at least 20 years old
-The Killer was serious about killing both girls - multiple shots, 2 firearms, no doubt the girls were dead when he left
-The Killer was not nervous - or inexperienced - this killing was ugly - young girls, multiple gunshots, up close, in their face, and it wasn't "silent" or "clean" - head/face shots?? Those are bloody and ugly and nasty...they sicken even experienced LE officers
-The Killer felt "justified" - almost a feeling of vengeance, vigilante justice, or settling a score here. The killer left "piles" of bullet casings lying in the road where he stood and shot these girls. It seems so personal, so targeted, so blatantly "screw you" somehow. There was anger, but it was controlled anger - he didn't just spray bullets everywhere - every shot was targeted to kill...not maim, not warn, not hurt...KILL. And he didn't leave until he was sure the girls were dead...even though it might have taken longer and risked detection or getting caught.
-The Killer felt it was more important that the girls were dead, than it was to not be observed or caught or clean up any evidence. I think the casings just weren't a concern - this killer came with one or two "throw away guns" (premeditated). The killer had to know how busy that road was - and he was seen by someone because the POI was seen by several people - and he just didn't care. It also tells me that he didn't worry about being recognized - like he wasn't from the area and was not associated with either family in any way.



My Opinion

Very thought provoking FlowerChild and well done.

Your first paragraph sparked a memory about Joesph Duncan. He always drove a red car. He had a red Grand Am and he was driving a red Jeep Cherokee when he was finally apprehended. In his blog he always said he wanted to be noticed and scoffed at those who saw him in plain sight but yet saw nothing even though he preyed on children. His was wearing a bright red tee-shirt when he came into the little store with Shasta. He was bold and brazen just like this POI sure seemed to be. So I don't think we can say for certain that pedophiles/murderers aren't bold enough to want to be seen. It may be a part of the game they relish in their twisted evil minds.

[FlowerChild]

We have a real forum....now we need to add a few topics - I'd like to request a thread for "photos, graphics and sketches we have either made or gathered. I don't want to look thru a "Media Thread" for maps, individual photos, the POI sketch etc.

Having our own separate area is AWESOME, THANKS Websleuths and Mods!

[Littledeer]

:woohoo:Our request got answered! Guess I had better get busy then. FYI, MissHolmes and I split up the gathering of information, she took the even pages and I took the odd pages.

She has not been able to give me what she has so far. Since FlowerChild requested a Map Thead, I will start that one with my information and MissHolmes can add her's. Would any one mind if the maps are out of date sequence??

[oceanblueeyes]

FlowerChild said: "I believe there must be SOME link between the Killer and one of the girls or her family, OR a link between the Killer and something the girls were generally a part of or represented to the Killer. "

I have had the feeling that there is a link between the killer and one of the girls from the very beginning, when I was not feeling well enough to post on the case. The other was killed because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Because so much of the girls' backgrounds is unknown, I think the intended target could be either girl equally, at this point in what we know. I think the extreme silence about their families other than Mr. Plaket and his wife is also indicative of LE suppressing info for a reason.

One thing I keep wondering about: There is a tent shown in the Plaket yard during one of the interviews with Taylor's grandfather.
Is anyone local to the case who might know anything about why there's a tent in his yard in near 100 degree weather? It's WAY too hot in this part of the country for being closed up in a tent for any period of time.
It's one of those things I wonder about.. not that it's sinister.

Maria

Maybe they had company that have stayed with them and when they sat outside they sat in the tent where it would be shaded instead of the hot sun. Is it too hot for a tent? It has been over 100 degrees here and people are still camping out and kids have tent sleepovers. My grandson just went to one this past weekend.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

IMHO, honestly I don't think LE has a clue who did this.

I am beginning to think the same and they have had way long enough to check out family members and any sex offenders in the area.

Seems like they are stumped.

imoo

[FlowerChild]

:woohoo:Our request got answered! Guess I had better get busy then. FYI, MissHolmes and I split up the gathering of information, she took the even pages and I took the odd pages.

She has not been able to give me what she has so far. Since FlowerChild requested a Map Thead, I will start that one with my information and MissHolmes can add her's. Would any one mind if the maps are out of date sequence??

I don't think anyone cares about the order - just that we can locate things. Maybe call it "the Crime Scene" so we can include the photos of the scene, aerial photos, etc
Just My Thoughts

[EnvoyDriver61]

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

[cloudajo]

Questions/Thoughts:


Witnesses who saw POI:

If you read the description of the witnesses who “came forward” or revealed during interviews they saw POI, they always mention that the witnesses saw the POI outside the truck. Unless the witnesses drove by in a very short time frame, doesn’t it sound more likely it was several people in one vehicle? I mean, how long would the guy have been standing outside the truck? They said he was “doing something and they couldn’t really tell what he was doing so they kept driving because it looked a little suspicious.” They must not have been going very fast if they had to pull around him, probably driving by pretty slowly. Do you think they said what he was doing but the OSBI doesn’t want to say what he was doing? I mean, was he scratching his head, leaning over, looking around, what? And if the witnesses thought it looked suspicious, the driver probably looked in the rear view mirror after passing. Did they see the POI do anything then, like reach into the truck for something, walk around the truck, get into the truck, still continue to stand there?

Male Witness who saw the girls walking on the road together (supposedly minutes before shots were heard):

We don’t know the details, but the OSBI said the witness was driving along County Line Road when he saw the two girls walking together. I wonder if they were hurrying and did they look nervous, or were they walking at a normal pace chatting with each other, and did they look happy and unconcerned? If they had seen something at the bridge or interrupted something, would they have called someone on their cell or would they have kept it to themselves and just try to get home as quickly as possible?

[cloudajo]

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

I can almost hear one of those loud cheery ring tones that teens have out there on the road. Might be disconcerting to someone.

[SuziQ]

Woo hoo! We have a forum! You all have been busy. I'm going back to catch up.

[cloudajo]

Evidence
How long does it typically take to test for fingerprints? I know they can run fingerprints in the (AFIS?) system, but what do they do with any footprint or tire print samples? Do they just hold onto them until they have someone in custody to try to match?

Not sure if this is in place yet.
Phase 2 of OKLeX is the sharing of data information from several state law enforcement agencies. This data is being shared to permit local law enforcement to run searches on people, vehicles and places. Only Law Enforcement will have the ability to use this information based upon a certification process. Please see the latest bulletin to understand the training component for Phase 2.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/Oklex/ (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/Oklex/)
http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/index.html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Law_Enforcement_Programs/index.html)

9/20/06
During the week, world-renowned forensic examiner William Bodziak is teaching OSBI latent print personnel the art and science of footwear impressions. Bodziak will spend up to 40 hours on footwear evidence collection from crime scenes and comparison of impressions of known and unknown samples

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2006_Press_Releases/PR-2006-9-20_Footwear_Impressions_Specialist_Teaches_at_OSBI .html (http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2006_Press_Releases/PR-2006-9-20_Footwear_Impressions_Specialist_Teaches_at_OSBI .html)

[SeekingJana]

From the media link Christine posted: http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/a....html#findmore (http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n24/idn2008.06.12.01.14.37.html#findmore)

For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com. "She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Um, it's been a long time since I was a 12-13 year old, but a quarter of a mile for " exercise"? We ran and biked for MILES at that age. So, was Taylor maybe meeting a little crush there from ages 12 to 13? She had a cell phone, maybe the boy did too. Is it significant?

Second odd thing: Taylor was the only girl in the 6th grade at her school and Skyla was the only girl in the 5th grade.
It may mean nothing, or maybe a group of boys wanted one of the " only girls" gone.

Also, I read that LE definitely thinks the shooter or shooters are locals. The reason given was the remote location of the murders.

WHO owns the land, please? Can someone who knows how to do this please find out and post the name and if they are local to the area? It is public information.

Respectfully,
Maria

[GetSmart]

Has anyone found the presser for today, Mon. , the one at the link is from Fri & she says another on Mon.

[cloudajo]

:woohoo:Our request got answered! Guess I had better get busy then. FYI, MissHolmes and I split up the gathering of information, she took the even pages and I took the odd pages.

She has not been able to give me what she has so far. Since FlowerChild requested a Map Thead, I will start that one with my information and MissHolmes can add her's. Would any one mind if the maps are out of date sequence??

Littledeer, I have a forum question: Do we just continue to post on the numbered thread, but if we post a picture or map, etc., we should also post it in the Photos, Maps thread as well?

[Littledeer]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

[cloudajo]

Could someone who knows how please do a land search and find out who owns the land where the girls were killed? I know it's a matter of public record, but I don't know how to do it. The may not be important at all, or it may be very important.
If the landowner is not local, it would be more important, perhaps.

Thanks!
Maria

I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that either!

[cloudajo]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

Great, thanks and thanks to everyone who set it up.

[oceanblueeyes]

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

Hi Envoy!

I can understand and that is a possibility as much as anything else.

But I don't think so. I think they were dead when Taylor's mother called. It just seems logical ,to me anyway, if the phone rang the perp would have to move lightening fast even to stop them from activating the button. And if he could move that fast he would have taken the phone and threw it far away from them or simply crushed it with his boot.

I don't think he even noticed the phone or cared. There was nothing on it that would tie him to the crime anyway imo.

If the girls left home at around 4:30 by the time Taylor's mom called about 5:10, 40 minutes had lapsed. More than ample time to do this very quick crime, unfortunately.

imoo

[SailorMoon]

Well, IMO, it had to be something pretty damn big for someone to blow away two little girls................

That is absolutely correct. If any theory fits...that's it. It was freaking big. Someone wasn't playing.

[oceanblueeyes]

Could someone who knows how please do a land search and find out who owns the land where the girls were killed? I know it's a matter of public record, but I don't know how to do it. The may not be important at all, or it may be very important.
If the landowner is not local, it would be more important, perhaps.

Thanks!
Maria

Maybe it is owned by the county. Usually if they have county maintained roads the right of way on each side also belongs to the county. From what I recall the right of way is usually 15-20 feet on each side of the road.

imoo

[GetSmart]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

[oceanblueeyes]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

Someone posted the weather for that day but I cant remember who it was now. I don't remember any precipitation being mentioned that day but the next day it rained heavily. But the family said that LE was out there until 3am so maybe they collected everything. Especially if they knew the rains were coming.

imoo

[SuziQ]

From the media link Christine posted: http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/a....html#findmore (http://newsfeedresearcher.com/data/articles_n24/idn2008.06.12.01.14.37.html#findmore)

For a year, Taylor had made the quarter-mile walk down the road to the bridge daily as exercise, Placker told FOXNews.com. "She hardly ever does it at the same time every day," he said. "Sometimes she'll do it in the morning, sometimes she'll do it in the afternoon, sometimes she'll do it about an hour or two before dark."

Um, it's been a long time since I was a 12-13 year old, but a quarter of a mile for " exercise"? We ran and biked for MILES at that age. So, was Taylor maybe meeting a little crush there from ages 12 to 13? She had a cell phone, maybe the boy did too. Is it significant?

Second odd thing: Taylor was the only girl in the 6th grade at her school and Skyla was the only girl in the 5th grade.
It may mean nothing, or maybe a group of boys wanted one of the " only girls" gone.

Also, I read that LE definitely thinks the shooter or shooters are locals. The reason given was the remote location of the murders.

WHO owns the land, please? Can someone who knows how to do this please find out and post the name and if they are local to the area? It is public information.

Respectfully,
Maria

So a year wouldn't be recently. Or am I misunderstanding Gma's comment about letting Taylor walk to the bridge only recently?

[SeekingJana]

So a year wouldn't be recently. Or am I misunderstanding Gma's comment about letting Taylor walk to the bridge only recently?
Taylor had been walking to the bridge and back at random times for one year, every day, since she was 12. They moved there from Ok City.

[SuziQ]

That is absolutely correct. If any theory fits...that's it. It was freaking big. Someone wasn't playing.


It was at least big in the killers head. When we find out the motive it may be something utterly stupid an insignificant.

[SuziQ]

Taylor had been walking to the bridge and back at random times for one year, every day, since she was 12. They moved there from Ok City.

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

[PGW]

Clay Cat, really good job with the drawings. I realize those are the images you had, and I don't want to mess you up on that, but what I saw was similar but with some differences. I was wondering if you could do the differences for me, just to see what it looks like. I hope I've not made a bad request. It's just you're very close on that one to what I saw, only much younger face, need the freckles sprinkled, need eyes changed a little and face a little wider. But close!

I could be wrong, though, what I said.

I'm reading well-thought-out theories on here. How do we know an atv didn't drive up nearby and the driver waited in the woods for those girls, then came out from a tree? I really want to believe that the killing was accidental because it is so brutal, but thats just the way I am about things. So facing the fact that obviously it was intentional, from all these facts posted in here and these good theories, how do we know it's the man in the white truck responsible? What if he was a higher up drug dealer and the real killer was younger and told to take care of the tattle-tell girl or be killed himself?
I'm just guessing here. Or what if he was just an innocent driver who the killer saw pass down the road and to not implicate himself, the killer after realizing people knew he was in that area, had to come up with a story about the driver of the truck being out of the car?

Is that road the only place people saw the person of interest? He didn't show up anywhere nearby? Convenience stores? Any witnesses from places like that? Or only people who saw him on the road?

[SailorMoon]

Good good post and analysis FlowerChild, and interesting facts that you brought up Ocean. I never knew that about Duncan.

Very thought provoking FlowerChild and well done.

Your first paragraph sparked a memory about Joesph Duncan. He always drove a red car. He had a red Grand Am and he was driving a red Jeep Cherokee when he was finally apprehended. In his blog he always said he wanted to be noticed and scoffed at those who saw him in plain sight but yet saw nothing even though he preyed on children. His was wearing a bright red tee-shirt when he came into the little store with Shasta. He was bold and brazen just like this POI sure seemed to be. So I don't think we can say for certain that pedophiles/murderers aren't bold enough to want to be seen. It may be a part of the game they relish in their twisted evil minds.

[SeekingJana]

I don't know if this is related, or if it has been mentioned before now, but I found it on the NewsOK site.
http://newsok.com/article/3098530

Seven alleged members of a motorcycle gang are facing federal charges of selling stolen guns and contraband cigarettes.
Thomas Kirby, 63; Wesley George, 49; James Oleson, 42; Dennis Shepherd, 54; Smith Justin Beal, 58; Joe Placker, 54; and Linda Shepherd, age not given, were indicted July 24 by a federal grand jury in Oklahoma City. All of them are members or associates of the Bandidos motorcycle gang, the indictment states. They allegedly conspired to sell guns and cigarettes out of Kirby's Oklahoma City apartment between November 2004 and June 2006, according to court papers.

General Info about the Bandido's from a Google search:
..."Bandidos' alliance with the Outlaws began in 1978 in an effort to expand their drug network. The Outlaws provide the Bandidos with cocaine that they get from Colombian and Cuban suppliers...They also own a nightclub together in Oklahoma City. The clubs consider themselves sister organizations and wear each other's tatoos.

There are 2 Joe Plackers in the OK DOC system. One is 54, the other is in his 30's.
Are they relatives?

Just interesting..considering we don't know anything about Taylor's family other than her grandparent's names.

[SuziQ]

Has anyone found the presser for today, Mon. , the one at the link is from Fri & she says another on Mon.

The presser linked from Friday is actually a presser from a week ago Friday and the following Monday is the last presser held that I'm aware of. I don't think there has been a presser in the past week.

[KR2tonenow]

The other thing I have wondered is because of the outrage of two innocent young girls being murdered, if LE is getting a tight lip on things because they want to make sure they have everything they need to make an arrest stick, and they do not want the towns people to know what direction the investigation is going in for fear of people taking things into their own hands.

I believe that's what the sherriff's office said that they are keeping everything close to the vest.

[oceanblueeyes]

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only recently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?


I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

[SuziQ]

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

Thanks for the clarification.

[cloudajo]

I just can't get over all the rain they had at the same time & didn't I hear somewhere that the county graded the rd right after.
Did we ever hear if scent dogs were brought in.

I didn't hear of or see any scent dogs, but I could be wrong.

Area Weather on June 8, 2008
History for Okmulgee, OK
Actuals:
Mean Temperature 84 °F / 28 °C
Max Temperature 91 °F / 32 °C
Min Temperature 78 °F / 25 °C
Precipitation 0.00 in / 0.00 cm

http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOKM/2008/6/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Weleetka&req_state=OK&req_statename=Oklahoma (http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KOKM/2008/6/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=Weleetka&req_state=OK&req_statename=Oklahoma)

[close_enough]

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

i wondered the same thing, suzi.....:confused:

[close_enough]

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

aahhhhh...hmm

[close_enough]

i'm not watching TV, but i have to assume Nancy Grace didn't discuss this with anything new.....?

[KR2tonenow]

claudajo:

Yes. By the way, the following threads are up. Photos, etc. started by Tom'sGirl. I am going to delete the one I started for the maps as it only shows links. Tom'sGirl made a good point it should be visual and she is good at that!

Also, a Transcripts/Documents thread is up, and Videos.

Help yourselves to add to these.

TY, LD and MH congrats and Great Job!:)

[SeriouslySearching]

The article that stated the POI was sitting outside the truck could be wrong. They have determined the man was 6 feet tall and would be almost impossible to tell from a sitting position, imo.

[oceanblueeyes]

It was at least big in the killers head. When we find out the motive it may be something utterly stupid an insignificant.

It certainly very well could be, Suzi. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

imoo

[SailorMoon]

Good point. It may be something like they interrupted or saw something, he/they jumps on them and threatens them, saying they are going to tell, they say, no, no we won't, we'll just leave and not tell a soul. We don't have a cell phone or anything...and then ring a linga ling...phone rings, setting him/they into a rage -- calling them liars and bam, he snaps. I know, far out, but the whole event is.

Good thoughts FC.

I'd like to add that the killer truly believed that the girls HAD to die. There wasn't time to decide or mull over whether they had to die; THEY HAD TO DIE, in the killer's mind. They may not have even known what they did. It might have been an innocent action. I'm still thinking the first cell phone call from grandmother looking for the girls was made while the girls were alive and may have provided the impetus for the girls' death.

I don't know why, other than it's very early in the time frame for them to be dead already, but I feel the phone call was a trigger somehow that lead to the girls death. The killer wasn't sure maybe what, if, how, why the girls saw or heard anything, but they couldn't take a chance.

[oceanblueeyes]

The article that stated the POI was sitting outside the truck could be wrong. They have determined the man was 6 feet tall and would be almost impossible to tell from a sitting position, imo.

Brown said that there are several witnesses that have come forth now about seeing this man. Could this be another witness from the first one?

imo

[Claycat]

Congratulations on the forum, everyone! You have worked hard for this!

:clap:

[SeriouslySearching]

Brown said that there are several witnesses that have come forth now about seeing this man. Could this be another witness from the first one?

imoYes, that is possible. If he was sitting outside of his truck...why would a guy sit near the middle of the road? Was he sitting in wait then? If the people saw him moments before and the other witness saw the girls walking moments before...are they actually the same witnesses and they saw both? If they thought the guy was acting suspicious after seeing the girls walking...why in the hell did they not stop the girls?! Turn in the guy?! Go to the nearest house to warn someone?! Could this have easily been prevented if someone had taken the time to do something?!

[SeekingJana]

I noticed that was part was not in quotes. He could have simply said we started let her walk in the past year.

His words are much more clear and concise in the People magazine article. Once again I think this is another ad-lib or misinterpretation put out by the media.

In that article he said recently in the past few months.

He also said he had already told them "no" that day when they asked for permission to walk to the bridge but they kept on and he gave in and thought it would give them something to do while Skyla waited for her mom to call.



imoo

I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I've found an article which says she was homeschooled until recently and was not allowed out of their yard until a few months ago. That's weird too.
Maria

[FlowerChild]

Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school - the Graham school district covers 48 Square miles
Tyler (age 13) was the only girl in 6th grade
Skyla (age 11) was one of 5 girls in the 5th grade
The classes were combined - 6 girls, 5 boys - 11 kids total in the combined class

The Bandidos/Placker Family
Joe Placker Sr is Peter's Brother
Joe Placker Jr is Joe Sr's son
Joe Placker Sr was involved in the arrest of 7 men in OKC associated with the Bandidos Motorcycle Gang
The Placker/Paschal Family has several members in prison, formerly in prison as well as family members married to or involved with people who are or have been in prison
Peter and Vicky are NOT involved in criminal activity and have no records
Joe Mosher is Vicky's Brother-In Law
We do not know who the bio parents of Taylor are/were - she called Peter Dad and Vicky Mom - even though they were in reality, her Grandparents - even Vicky and Peter's other kids called Taylor their sister.

The Whitaker Family
Rose Whitaker (Skyla's Mother) has a son (Edward Gordon) who is currently in prison serving time for a drug-related shooting - he did plea bargain and will testify against others also indicted
Rose's parents (Skyla's Maternal G-Parents The Farrows) live in the area
Skyla's Bio Father is Kim Getman of Baxter Springs KS - William Whitaker is her adoptive father
Previous Rose Farrow was married to Gordon, then Getman, now Whitaker

Family Info In General
We have a pretty thorough family tree for the Placker/Paschal family and at least some of the Whitaker Family - MissHolmes put these together and can provide a link and password to view.

We also have some family history for the Creech family as Tim Creech is a registered Sex Offender and has been cited multiple times here as matching the POI sketch and living in Weleetka - at this time, he is NOT connected to the crime in any way

Vicky Paschal-Placker and Rose Whitaker both work at the Henryetta McDonalds

The Whitaker and Placker Families moved from OKC to Weleetka together in 2005 - they did know each other before they lived in Weleetka - both families left OKC to get away from crime and violence - Peter Placker stated thet they moved "for Taylor"

Taylor was home schooled before the family moved to Weleetka

[Tom'sGirl]

*snipped for length

Classmates-Graham School
The Bandidos/Placker Family
The Whitaker Family
Family Info In General

Good condensed breakdown FC, good post.

[DeltaDawn]

So what's up with the Gma's comment about Taylor bugging her and telling her she's getting bigger and they only resently relented to letting her start walking to the bridge?

She may have been allowed to walk the road everyday for a year, but only so far. Walking to the bridge and back may have been recent. Usually parents let their children do things in increments.

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, that is possible. If he was sitting outside of his truck...why would a guy sit near the middle of the road? Was he sitting in wait then? If the people saw him moments before and the other witness saw the girls walking moments before...are they actually the same witnesses and they saw both? If they thought the guy was acting suspicious after seeing the girls walking...why in the hell did they not stop the girls?! Turn in the guy?! Go to the nearest house to warn someone?! Could this have easily been prevented if someone had taken the time to do something?!

That was my question too SS a few pages back? Why would the POI be sitting outside the truck? Was he waiting for others who were taking care of business, possibly drugs, in the woods?

To me the fact that the POI was sitting outside the truck is a big clue, rather then standing or being inside the truck. Sitting denotes someone not expecting to have to do much..as opposed to standing, which is more of an action pose..that's why I think the girls happened upon people coming out of the woods with drugs and the cooking equipment for meth.

I do think there is definitely more than one person involved.. I think there are three. The guy sitting outside the truck is both driver and lookout, then 2 people involved in whatever was going on in the woods..drugs possibly. I think that they came out of the woods the same time the girls walked up to the scene..then were shoot by two of them.

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm sorry that I misunderstood. I've found an article which says she was home schooled until recently and was not allowed out of their yard until a few months ago. That's weird too.
Maria

Don't worry about it SJ. It is confusing. Peter Placker said that they moved to Weleetka about three years ago but yet some articles have said they recently moved there. I think most likely once they moved there Taylor had gone to public school at Graham and had been homeschooled when they lived in OKC.

There are a lot of inconsistencies in the media stories. That just happened in the Maria Lauterbach case too. I guess it is a sign of the times and that journalism has changed drastically.

imoo

[SeekingJana]

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

Maria

[SeriouslySearching]

I hope this incident wakes parents up to the dangers lurking on an isolated country road to children in general. The grandmother had the right idea and shouldn't have listened to Taylor, imo. I wouldn't have allowed it even if she screamed and cried about being "unfair" and "the other kids do it!". Things are not what they once were, but country roads aren't a good place for any female to be walking no matter what the age.

[SeriouslySearching]

That was my question too SS a few pages back? Why would the POI be sitting outside the truck? Was he waiting for others who were taking care of business, possibly drugs, in the woods?

To me the fact that the POI was sitting outside the truck is a big clue, rather then standing or being inside the truck. Sitting denotes someone not expecting to have to do much..as opposed to standing, which is more of an action pose..that's why I think the girls happened upon people coming out of the woods with drugs and the cooking equipment for meth.Or was he waiting on the girls specifically and ducked down to surprise them as they came up on the truck from the other side?

[FlowerChild]

Thanks Tom'sGirl :blowkiss:

Now that we have a forum I thought a little brief recap would help orient the new people coming in who haven't been keeping up with this case since day one. It is VERY COMPLICATED and keeping just the Placker Family alone straight is daunting. It's a just simple, straightforward recap of the most basic facts we know that seem to come up in varying levels of accuracy over and over again. I hope it helps all the new people (WELCOME!) get right into the case and hopefully help find some answers if they don't have to read all 100+pages of posts to glean the facts we do have.

Heck I get confused and have to refer back over and over and I have notes, screen caps, files and have been on here a LOT since this started and I know the area. New folks must be totally lost by the time they get to the whole the GParents are sometimes called Mom and Dad - depending on the source - not to mention the whole "who's a Paschal and who's a Placker" thing.

I will add anything I think is important and repost this in new "general" threads as they are started.

My Opinion

[SeriouslySearching]

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

MariaIt could be that other remote communities tap into their school for classes instead of bussing the students there. I do know some schools use this for ill students and some with special needs. It does seem like a rather large number for computer classes tho.

[Pocono Sleuther]

From FC's post above:
"We do not know who the bio parents of Taylor are/were - she called Peter Dad and Vicky Mom - even though they were in reality, her Grandparents - even Vicky and Peter's other kids called Taylor their sister."

Can someone please clarify this for me? Was she adopted? I must be lost or confused, neither of which surprise me. LOL But where exactly did this child come from and how did they get custody?

[oceanblueeyes]

It could be that other remote communities tap into their school for classes instead of bussing the students there. I do know some schools use this for ill students and some with special needs. It does seem like a rather large number for computer classes tho.

Maybe one has to be a Junior or a Senior to qualify? Plus like you mentioned, special needs children.

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

Pocono~ The simple answer is that we don't know anything for certain...at least that I am aware of.

[oceanblueeyes]

From FC's post above:
"We do not know who the bio parents of Taylor are/were - she called Peter Dad and Vicky Mom - even though they were in reality, her Grandparents - even Vicky and Peter's other kids called Taylor their sister."

Can someone please clarify this for me? Was she adopted? I must be lost or confused, neither of which surprise me. LOL But where exactly did this child come from and how did they get custody?

No one has revealed that. Maybe the family thinks it should remain a private matter. The police address them as Taylor's parents.

All we know is Taylor looked at these two people as her Mom and Dad.

imoo

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe one has to be a Junior or a Senior to qualify? Plus like you mentioned, special needs children.

imoSmaller schools with one or two students can join with many other students in remote locations to actually make up a classroom via the internet.

http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/media/downloads/schoolsweb/news/technology/hotschools.pdf

“Distance Education Courses for Public Elementary and Secondary School Students: 2002-03.” This public school district survey was the first nationally representative study to examine technology-based distance education availability, course offerings, and enrollments in the nation’s public elementary and secondary schools. For this study, distance education courses were defined as credit-granting courses offered to elementary and secondary school students enrolled in the district in which the teacher and students were in different locations.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubSearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2007028

[oceanblueeyes]

Smaller schools with one or two students can join with many other students in remote locations to actually make up a classroom via the internet.

http://www.schools.nsw.edu.au/media/downloads/schoolsweb/news/technology/hotschools.pdf

“Distance Education Courses for Public Elementary and Secondary School Students: 2002-03.” This public school district survey was the first nationally representative study to examine technology-based distance education availability, course offerings, and enrollments in the nation’s public elementary and secondary schools. For this study, distance education courses were defined as credit-granting courses offered to elementary and secondary school students enrolled in the district in which the teacher and students were in different locations.

http://nces.ed.gov/pubSearch/pubsinfo.asp?pubid=2007028

Thanks for the info.

imo

[SeriouslySearching]

I am not sure it applies to the Graham school or not, but it is a possibility. You are welcome, Ocean.

[Fairy1]

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

Maria

I believe this is due to the rural nature of the area. Might be difficult for some kids to physically get to school. I live in a big city, so I can't say for sure, but I assume this is common in rural and farming communities. My FIL was raised on a farm long, long ago and he says school was definitely not a priority for them. If they had to work the farm, that took precedence. I'm sure if they had had the Internet back then, they would have been able to complete their studies. As it was, it really was not important. And they all still passed and graduated!

[Tom'sGirl]

I hope this incident wakes parents up to the dangers lurking on an isolated country road to children in general. The grandmother had the right idea and shouldn't have listened to Taylor, imo. I wouldn't have allowed it even if she screamed and cried about being "unfair" and "the other kids do it!". Things are not what they once were, but country roads aren't a good place for any female to be walking no matter what the age.
That's exactly what the Graham School Supt. said in this video, he wouldn't let his kids do it!
http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1616709196 (http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1616709196)

[GetSmart]

Remember on the Trenton Duckett case we had members that sent us pics from the apt ect. Does anyone have more local pics of area or access to someone who might? Just a thought. By the way we are coming up on the 2 yr for Trenton aren't we?

I also have been trying to locate recent arrest records but they do it different in this area than here. Heck I love it you can just go to county jail site & see recent arrest without putting in names.

[SeriouslySearching]

That's exactly what the Graham School Supt. said in this video, he wouldn't let his kids do it!
http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1616709196 (http://www.newsok.tv/?titleID=1616709196)He is a wise man. :)

[MissHolmes]

Does anyone think it would be a good idea to start a thread for Websleuther's synopsis'? Not a timeline, but for instance Flowerchild has some excellent recaps. Thoughts?

[SeriouslySearching]

Sure...go for it. That is what a forum is for...to expand and keep things categorized so it is easier to find your way around a case. :)

[MissHolmes]

Synopsis and recaps thread is up.

[MissHolmes]

Sure...go for it. That is what a forum is for...to expand and keep things categorized so it is easier to find your way around a case. :)

Excellent SS on your new thread Theories: Who and Why? :clap:

[SeriouslySearching]

You don't need to get excited. LOL I will post a few threads I think might be helpful. We have started quite a few forums on here. No biggie.

[Tom'sGirl]

You don't need to get excited. LOL I will post a few threads I think might be helpful. We have started quite a few forums on here. No biggie.
YES, quite a few!:)

[CarpeDiem]

From FlowerChild's post about the school Tayler and Scyla attended: "Classmates-Graham School
There are 97 TOTAL STUDENTS physically attending this school - another 150 or so attend by "computer" and are not physically present at the school."

What would be the cause of 150 students not physically attending school in the elementary grades in a town this small? ( only 97 students physically attending).
I am quite sure I am missing something!!

Maria

Cyber-school has become BIG in our area. We've met a lot through sports programs that are using it. For some, it is an alternative to home school. Other's use it on a year by year basis if their kids are struggling socially but not academically. Other's, when the parents are not happy with the teachers or administration of the schools themselves. Another group is parents whom travel a lot with their work and wish to keep the kids with them and go as a family.

[Tom'sGirl]

Cyber-school has become BIG in our area. We've met a lot through sports programs that are using it. For some, it is an alternative to home school. Other's use it on a year by year basis if their kids are struggling socially but not academically. Other's, when the parents are not happy with the teachers or administration of the schools themselves. Another group is parents whom travel a lot with their work and wish to keep the kids with them and go as a family.
Out here we call it Independent Study, in the beginning students only had to show up twice a month at school to turn in their assigned work, and pick up more. Now that they can do this online, some rarely go to school except when it's mandatory.

[SeriouslySearching]

No wonder it was mentioned that some of their friends were more difficult to track down. This could very well be the reason and it was nothing sinister.

[SeekingJana]

Out here we call it Independent Study, in the beginning students only had to show up twice a month at school to turn in their assigned work, and pick up more. Now that they can do this online, some rarely go to school except when it's mandatory.

OH WOW, I was born way too soon. I was a very smart kid who lived way out in the country. Doing independent study would have been a complete joy to me!! Loved the world, loved the academic work but hated being held back by other students. I had no clue schools were doing this, since my only living child is just out of college. :)
Maria

[SeriouslySearching]

I just noticed we have a "psychic" thread now. I thought this was a huge no-no on WS?

[Fairy1]

I hope this incident wakes parents up to the dangers lurking on an