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[GetSmart]

Waltzingmatilda and Wolf Mom

:Welcome-12-june:

[wolf mom]

I've been here for 2 years and have a total of 4 posts...this makes 5! Thank you for the welcome GetSmart.

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks for the warm welcome, [[[new friends]]]. ClayCat, what a coincidence! Synchronicity! I love the song and it's a great screen name because I travel so much while sleeping, never staying put for too long. Thanks to all for helping me overcome my shyness about this:~)

[Claycat]

You are an astral traveler, Matilda? How exciting!

[waltzingmatilda]

Yes,it is exciting and exhilarating, ClayCat...the flying part, that is. The scenes are haunting though. I write the dreams down so I remember all the clues presented. In this case, those clues would be a female(older), a bar or saloon, the school, and a basketball court where boys gather to talk and hang out more than to play. These things were shown to me for a reason and hopefully will be helpful in some way. I am a former teacher(resigned in spring for health reasons) and most information I receive are crimes against children.

In a subsequent recurring dream, (no flying in this one) there are reports in all the national news of an arrest in this case. I believe it will be resolved.

Thanks for all your encouragement and for all that you have shared with us.

OT: Wish there was a thread like this on the Caylee forum :)

[Lauren - CA]

Don't be shy Matilda. Your posts are most welcome. :)

[waltzingmatilda]

:hug: Thanks Lauren...you made my day!

[Claycat]

I've been here for 2 years and have a total of 4 posts...this makes 5! Thank you for the welcome GetSmart.

Well, girl, you need to get with it and make some more posts. We are glad you posted here!

:)

[Tom'sGirl]

OT: Wish there was a thread like this on the Caylee forum :)
There is here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71490)

[waltzingmatilda]

Thanks so much [[[T-Girl]]]. I posted my dream on HFTM. (hope it's okay to say that, i'm still kind of new here) It is gut wrenching and takes alot of energy to recall but will try to post it on the WS thread soon.

[Mysterylover]

Thanks so much [[[T-Girl]]].
I posted my dream on HFTM. (hope it's okay to say that, i'm still kind of new here)
It is gut wrenching and takes alot of energy to recall but will try to post it on the WS thread soon.

Waltzing M...I went to HFTM and it seems extremely complicated.
I couldn't find any thing or anyone...
please give me some links...
I am interesting in reading your dream, and helping with other cases etc...thanks

[k4kathy]

I visited HFTM also.I'm glad Matilda brought the site to our attention.I found the site to be a bit complicated,but I think that once I become familiar with it,I will be able to navigate just fine.

[Ruflossn]

I visited HFTM also.I'm glad Matilda brought the site to our attention.I found the site to be a bit complicated,but I think that once I become familiar with it,I will be able to navigate just fine.

Could someone please tell me what HFTM is and how I can find it.
Thanks,
Flossie

[waltzingmatilda]

Hello Everyone, I just pm'd the link to Letsthink. I wasn't sure if it was ok to display links to other sites on this thread.

Ruflossen, It is Helpfindthemissing.org ----> Special requests---->Caylee Forum----->A psychic perspective---->#141 Hope this helps.

Sorry to all of you for being so remiss and not posting it here. It leaves me in a cold sweat and zapped of energy. I should put on a pot of coffee when i write about it....also, I am somewhat shy about this gift but am working on coming out of my shell.:blushing:

Respectfully, Matilda

[Ruflossn]

Matilda~
Thank-you. We are glad you are here. Please don't be shy. All are welcome.

Flossie

[k4kathy]

Matilda~
Thank-you. We are glad you are here. Please don't be shy. All are welcome.

Flossiewww.helpfindthemissing.org

[waltzingmatilda]

Thank you Flossie and thank you Kathy for providing the link. I'm still kinda new at this so I'm unsure of protocol. I truly appreciate all of your kind words. :~)

[RPS]

Hi Claycat-

Out of curiousity, if you go to:
http://www.weleetka.k12.ok.us/Band/Band%20of%20Outlaws%20Web.htm

and scroll down to the very end, to the left photo. Any resemblance there to your sketches?

[Ruflossn]

Hi Claycat-

Out of curiousity, if you go to:
http://www.weleetka.k12.ok.us/Band/Band%20of%20Outlaws%20Web.htm

and scroll down to the very end, to the left photo. Any resemblance there to your sketches?

RPS~
Did you notice that "Nick Burden" is one of the names mentioned in the MySpace link that is provided on the General Topics thread. I have never heard of his name brought before the MySpace link.

[RPS]

RPS~
Did you notice that "Nick Burden" is one of the names mentioned in the MySpace link that is provided on the General Topics thread. I have never heard of his name brought before the MySpace link.

Yep! I been searching on that lead.

[waltzingmatilda]

There is definately a striking resemblance between Claycat's 1 st sketch and this NB, IMO. Look at the mouth and the eyes....

[frogjustfrog]

Waltzing Matilda.... I think I am confused. Was your dream about our girls, or something else. If it was about our girls, I would love to read it.
If it isnt, I just have to pass. I am too tender hearted to get involved in any other case. It just tears my heart to shreds!

[Claycat]

Hi Claycat-

Out of curiousity, if you go to:
http://www.weleetka.k12.ok.us/Band/Band%20of%20Outlaws%20Web.htm

and scroll down to the very end, to the left photo. Any resemblance there to your sketches?

He does look somewhat like the first drawing, but I'm afraid my drawings may be as generic as the POI! There have been several that the first drawing could have fit.

:redface:

[waltzingmatilda]

Frog, I know what you mean, it is soo heartwrenching. It's interesting to me that I saw a female with a ponytail and then the sketch of the POI was released which was a man with a long ponytail. This was not the same ponytail that was shown to me in my dream. I think the description of the POI was just a diversion for whatever reason. I have to wonder if the Ponytail part is true though. Hope this makes sense I haven't had my daily caffiene intake this morning..:)I had a dream about this case a few days before the sketch was released by OSBI. My spirit guide was a cop who's murder was covered up and deemed suicide. She show's things to me while I'm sleeping...much like Alison DuBois' visions on the show "Medium". I've just recently accepted my gift and am sharing more because I feel it would be 'disrespectful' of me to ignore my visons. If I can help by adding just one missing piece of the puzzle then it is worth it to overcome my shyness about my 'gift'.

In this dream I believe I was seeing Skyla's last vision. She walked upon a situation where someone was holding Taylor and thought "Who is this woman trying to hurt Taylor?" The woman had a ponytail that appeared gray. Skyla surprised her I believe because things went black immediately after she was spotted. (It happened quickly) Then peace. Afterwards, I went 'flying' (alot of my dreams involve flying) thru town with her. She showed me a main street with a brick school building at the end of the street which faced looking down main st. I remember getting the message that someone in her peer group was responsible, she didn't speak but pointed out the school, a basketball court adjacent to the school and a bar on the main street which would be down the street from the school. Also, there was some teasing or taunting or sticking out tongues involved and the situation just escalated.

This is difficult for me to share because the things I see are not always pleasant and I hope I haven't offended anyone with this but after reading this forum I had to share. Things like this are difficult to carry around and I'm thankful I found this place. I hope this helps in some way because this case will haunt me till it is solved. It breaks my heart.

[frogjustfrog]

Frog, I know what you mean, it is soo heartwrenching. It's interesting to me that I saw a female with a ponytail and then the sketch of the POI was released which was a man with a long ponytail. This was not the same ponytail that was shown to me in my dream. I think the description of the POI was just a diversion for whatever reason. I have to wonder if the Ponytail part is true though. Hope this makes sense I haven't had my daily caffiene intake this morning..:)
Thank you for sharing that. I have recently become interested in this astral traveling. I believe I have done it myself, although I have never connected it with any event that has happened. I havent even tried. MAybe I should.

The dream doenst tell me alot, as far as things I know about that town or school. The girls went to school in Graham, which is just a little communtiy in the country. There was once a little store there, but not for years. Now it's just a small school there.
There is a bar down at the end of Main Street in Weleetka. Or at least there used to be. I am not sure where it is now.

I have a friend that I met online, who had a very vivid dream about the girls. She swears she was there! She says that the people in her dream, or at least one of them, KNOWS she was there! I wish she would get on here and post, but she is afraid people will think she is crazy, cuz she says she knows exactly what happened. I am not allowed to tell the dream until she decides to do it, or until she tells me I can. But I have spoken with her about this several times, and her story never waivers... and it scares her. She doesnt want to be psychic cuz someone in her family was, and they were very mean. I dont know enough about this stuff to help assure her it is ok, but I believe she believes what she is telling me.
I will try to get back in contact with her to learn more. Thank you so much for posting.
fRoG

[gertrude-gertie]

Frog, I know what you mean, it is soo heartwrenching. It's interesting to me that I saw a female with a ponytail and then the sketch of the POI was released which was a man with a long ponytail. This was not the same ponytail that was shown to me in my dream. I think the description of the POI was just a diversion for whatever reason. I have to wonder if the Ponytail part is true though. Hope this makes sense I haven't had my daily caffiene intake this morning..:)You say in your dream that there was a woman with gray hair in a pony tail. I was just reading on the Theory thread and there were pictures of the funeral with VP. Her hair was pulled back in a pony tail and she has gray hair. This is the only person that I have read about or seen with a gray pony tail. But surely I don't think VP would have anything to do with this crime. JMHO.

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi G.G., Sometimes I wish for more info in my dreams but will accept what I get. I was seeing thru Skyla's eyes. She was running and turned to look for Taylor. She only saw this woman from behind and the woman was holding Taylor back. When she turned everything went black. After that was when we 'flew'. I certainly didn't mean to imply VP did this, please forgive. I do, however think she is very afraid. (for some reason, don't know why)

Let's ponder symbolism of that particular scene. Could the signifance of this 'woman' holding Taylor back be interpreted as 'A woman is holding something back'. This is so sad. I pray for justice for these girls and their families. Respectfully, Matilda

[Mysterylover]

You say in your dream that there was a woman with gray hair in a pony tail.

I was just reading on the Theory thread and there were pictures of the funeral with VP.
Her hair was pulled back in a pony tail and she has gray hair.

This is the only person that I have read about or seen with a gray pony tail.

But surely I don't think VP would have anything to do with this crime. JMHO......

Gertrude,
Ofcourse the dream could have another meaning, like V. trying to keep T. under control, not making the same mistakes as other family members.
Could she been holding T. back in order to not allow T. to not 'tell her secret'?
What if the woman with the grey ponytail is holding something back about Taylor's death?

Has anyone heard if there are any female bartenders/drug dealers/people at school/cheerleading/clowns in the area, with a gray look to their hair, and wears a pony-tail?

I understand, in the dream, WaltzingM. only saw the back of the person wearing the pony tail.
Waltzing are you sure it was a female? IF so How? did you notice cloths, shoes ?
How tall compared to T.?


WaltzingM, did you have any feeling of where the girls were or why the woman had hold of Taylor...more small details, please.

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi Letsthink, It's as though I was seeing thru Skyla's eyes during this dream. There was a feeling of confrontation, urgency, feeling out of breath from running. Skyla was in a grassy area and Taylor was in a road where she was being held by a woman. Skyla turned to look and thought "Who is this woman holding Taylor?" Then as the woman began to turn I could see a glimpse of the side of her face. It was clear this was a female because of her curves being more mature than the girls. This is when everything went black and we went flying. I don't know which girl was killed first but I'd say Skyla if I had to guess based on the info I was shown.

Hope your day is going well. sincerely, Matilda:dance:

ps she was taller than Taylor but not alot.

[waltzingmatilda]

Hello everyone. Earlier in the thread there was much discussion about the clowns. I was browsing in the Criminal Records thread and read the rundown of records for both families and found some interesting links about gang related murders in ok city. Read the tatoos on this one convicted & presently awaiting the dp. More interesting links on cr thread.

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=230564&offender_book_id=122041&imageindex=3

Could this be a pay back? You betcha if it is gang related. Do you think the clowns in the guestbook were a warning? Was someone at the funeral that shouldn't have been there and that's who the young man was glaring at in the funeral pics. Soo many unanswered questions and nobody's talking.:silenced: Something is bothering me and I can't put my finger on it:banghead::banghead: Back to house work

[Mysterylover]

Hello everyone. Earlier in the thread there was much discussion about the clowns.
I was browsing in the Criminal Records thread and read the rundown of records for both families and found some interesting links about gang related murders in auk city.
Read the tattoos on this one convicted & presently awaiting the dp. More interesting links on cr. thread.

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal-30&_schema=PORTAL-30&doc_num=230564&offender_book_id=122041&imageindex=3

Could this be a pay back? You betcha if it is gang related.

Do you think the clown in the guest-book were a warning?

Was someone at the funeral that shouldn't have been there and that's who the young man was glaring at in the funeral pics.

Soo many unanswered questions and nobody's talking.:silenced:

Something is bothering me and I can't put my finger on it:banghead::banghead: Back to house work..

WaltzingM...good find.
Isn't the guy in the Mug shot friends with Taylor's sister, Linda's X-boyfriend? Can someone help with my memory on this?

The clown picture in the guest-book was very 'out of place' as well as strange and creepy.....regardless of the intentions.

If I remember correctly, someone dreamed or had a vision about clowns in the early weeks of this case.

Could the person/persons at Taylors funeral have been from a 'gang' possibly out of Okla. city and the reason Taylor's brother was glaring at them/him?

That would be something to be scared of....jmo

[waltzingmatilda]

I transferred it over from the crime thread (hope that's okay).:D Read the links in bold print. I'm not as familiar w/ the players as some of you but feel this could be a clue. Does anyone remember when the Plackers moved there from OK city? Would that date be after these crimes were committed? Is this what the P's were rumored to be running from?

PASCHAL and PLACKER

Joe Mosher AKA William L Mosher) (married to Vicky Paschal-Placker's sister Nell)
incarcerated 3 years

maintaining house where drugs are kept, possession of marijuana, drug distribution w/intent, possession of meth, possession of drug paraphernalia, possession of firearm while committing a felony, possession of a firearm after conviction in 2 felonies, using offensive weapon in felony misc traffic/driving offenses
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=51081319

Tony Carl Paschal (Vicky's Brother)
incarcerated 3 years

2x maintaining house where drugs are kept, distribution w/intent, conspiracy to commit drug crime, distribution of cocaine, distribution of meth, distribution of marijuana, 5x burglary (2nd degree), robbery with a dangerous weapon, assault and battery (domestic),
http://www.criminalsearches.com/details.aspx?id=1529585

Jessie Carl Paschal

DUI, x3 Speeding, Reckless Driving
http://www.odcr.com/results.php?Page...pgplg60kltmgg6

Joe R Placker Jr

possession of controlled substance
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=39928385

Joe R Placker Sr

receiving/concealing stolen property
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=51081319

Christopher Ryan Placker
incarcerated 1 year

2x assault and battery with a deadly weapon, 2x restraining order filed by Touia Ann Duncan (05 and 07)
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=23624724

Linda K Placker

bogus check
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=32497199

James A Placker Jr (son of James A Sr)
incarcerated 2 years

Resisting arrest, possession of marijuana, paraphernalia, burglary (2nd degree), forgery (2nd degree), petty larceny, concealing stolen property, possession of stolen property
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=52609818
paroled 2007
With girlfriend Ashley Lynn Robinson (currently in prison till 2009), Laramie Lee Massey convicted of auto theft plus all above

Mikal E Caudle Linda K Placker's former Boyfriend and Family Friend

assault & battery on police officer, forgery, 2x violation of protective order, resisting arrest, malicious injury to propery
http://www.criminalsearches.com/deta...px?id=29596997

Lanita Sue Bateman (Baby Cousin Nita) DOB 1-12-1982
(not sure of relationship to the Placker-Paschal family ? her mother may be Nora O Bateman (57) - siblings may be Robert W (35) Lakesha (29) and Danny - (could she be an illegitimate child of Joe (William L) Mosher?)
info/photo from Linda K Plackers Web Page http://v4mp-b1tch.tripod.com/index.html
currently incarcerated - life

Murder 1st Degree (life 6-11-03), robbery with a firearm, conspiracy to commit a felony
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...7&imageindex=2
About The Murder (Men are Gang Members -The 107's)
http://www.oscn.net/applications/osc...?citeid=448920
Zjaiton Wood Lanita's Boyfriend and Co-Defendant
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...1&imageindex=3
Tremaine Wood Lanita's Co-Defendant Now On Death Row
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...9&imageindex=7
Crime occurred on Jan 1 2001
Ronnie Wipf was murdered and his friend Arnold Kelinsasser robbed in their room in the Ramada Inn after Lanita and Brandy Warden pretended to be prostitutes and set the two men up to be robbed by the Wood Brothers. Wipf was stabbed to death.
Brandy Warden (the mother of one of Tremaine's sons) turned State's Evidence and was given immunityWHITAKER

Edward Gordon Sklya Whitaker's Brother

Also in March, another defendant, Edward Gordon, pleaded no-contest to second-degree murder and agreed to testify against Graham. Gordon hasn’t been sentenced yet.
http://www.moultrieobserver.com/loca...194225327.html
Edward Gordon, 20, of Baxter Springs, was found guilty of second-degree murder after pleading “no contest” to the charge as part of a plea agreement. The agreement calls for a 10-year prison sentence.
http://www.joplinglobe.com/neo_sek/l...secondarystory

Paschal Cousins
Children of Vicky's Father's Brother Joel Paschal and his wife Lorene

John Eugene Paschal 44
currently incarcerated

possession Of Firearm After Former Con Of Felony, Burglary In The Second Degree After For Con Of Fel, Concealing Stolen Property After Former Con Of Fel, Robbery With Firearm, illegal Poss Of Controlled Substances,
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se..._book_id=33710

Jimmy C Paschal 54

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[Mysterylover]

Very interesting site talking about gangs.

http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2006/11/01/oklahoma-gang-threat-assessment/


This site shows a good picture of a Glock pistol, if anyone is interested in what the gun looks like.
Look at the 5th roll down at Photo Album and click on 'Glock Love'.

http://www.okshooters.com/forums/index.php

[frogjustfrog]

WaltzingM...good find.
Isn't the guy in the Mug shot friends with Taylor's sister's X-boyfriend? Can someone help with my memory on this?

The clown picture in the guestbook was very 'out of place' as well as strange and creepy.....anything is possible with gangs.

If I remember correctly, someone dreamed or had a vision about clowns in the early weeks of this case.

Could the person/persons at Taylors funeral have been from a 'gang' possibly out of Okla. city and the reason Taylor's brother was glaring at them/him?

That would be something to be scared of....jmo

The lady who was dressed as a clown and signed the guestbook, is well known throughtout that area, as doing Christian Ministries dressed as a clown. In defense of good clowns everywhere, I would like to point out that being a clown is not bad. Many children love clowns. Yes, some people are afraid of clowns, but just because these Juggao people took clowns and made them bad, doesnt mean that clowns are bad. Guess what? I used to be a clown! Yes, I did children's birthday parties and the children loved me! I dressed up as a little girl named Cindy Lou and I used to try to kiss the little boys! They would run and laugh, then when my back was turned, run up to me and tug on my skirt for attention.
That lady, who signed the guestbook, is a Christian. Her ministries are great and reach many children and adults alike.

[waltzingmatilda]

Thank you so much for clearing that up. I did not know that it had been determined who signed it. :o

[frogjustfrog]

Thank you so much for clearing that up. I did not know that it had been determined who signed it. :o

You're welcome Sweetie. I just know alot of people have expressed their concerns over that. And I just wanted to add what I know, for whatever it is worth. :innocent: =)

[ginzy]

I know I don't post much, I'm more of a lurker...I live in OK..maybe a couple hrs from where these murders happened. I have never been there, nor do i know anyone from there.
But I think there are some really uncanny resemblences between the scketches and 2 of these boys that have previously been mentioned.


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=512524&offender_book_id=302018


I think he looks like the sketch on the left. Was he near there when these crimes occured??


and this kid I think looks like the one on the right.

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=300828556&albumID=249965&imageID=1786928

anyone else see the resemblence?

[PGW]

For the record, that was ME who started the alarm about the eerie feeling from the clown photo posted in the book. It gave me an eerie feeling then, the association of clowns to these two girls, and it has continued to give me an eerie odd feeling. I also explained that it wasn't necessarily the person who posted the picture, but rather, the strong intuition that came through to me about clowns in association with the death of these two beautiful little children.

That being said, THIS WEEK IN CHICAGO AREA, Oct. 14, I think, as reported on Fox News website, A MAN DRESSED AS A CLOWN tried to ENTICE OR COHERESE CHILDREN into his vehicle and had the door open of the vehicle. He was driving A WHITE TRUCK.

Whether he was in OK area this summer or not, I KNOW that when I saw the clown photo in that funeral guest book, I had the worst feeling regarding this type of thing.

[waltzingmatilda]

PGW, Thanks for clarifing, I couldn't remember who first brought attention to the clowns but remember much talk about them and the music group titled Insane Clown Posse.

I did see that story about the clown trying to lure children into his white truck and, like you, thought of this case immediately and it gave me the creeps. I hope LE is aware of this as we must leave no stone unturned. All my best, Matilda

[Claycat]

For the record, that was ME who started the alarm about the eerie feeling from the clown photo posted in the book. It gave me an eerie feeling then, the association of clowns to these two girls, and it has continued to give me an eerie odd feeling. I also explained that it wasn't necessarily the person who posted the picture, but rather, the strong intuition that came through to me about clowns in association with the death of these two beautiful little children.

That being said, THIS WEEK IN CHICAGO AREA, Oct. 14, I think, as reported on Fox News website, A MAN DRESSED AS A CLOWN tried to ENTICE OR COHERESE CHILDREN into his vehicle and had the door open of the vehicle. He was driving A WHITE TRUCK.

Whether he was in OK area this summer or not, I KNOW that when I saw the clown photo in that funeral guest book, I had the worst feeling regarding this type of thing.

OMG! PGW, I had not heard about the clown in a truck! How weird! Oddly enough, many children are afraid of clowns, so maybe that was a deterent!

[Bern]

Hi, I am new to this thread. I found it while searching info on Caylee. I had a dream a few nights after this story aired on CNN about Taylor and Skyla.

I won't bore you with all the details, but I got that Taylor knew this person and she was a "hit" and it was all business and he said "regrettable" in my dream. When I say knew him, I mean recognized him. I also feel he was impotent. He felt she knew something or saw something. I also felt that the drawing of the POI may have been a lie, or there was something about the his mouth or teeth as he sort of hid them with his hand in my dream. I didn't see the drawing until a week after this dream and it had some similarities to the person I saw. I also got that the crime scene was staged in some way. I saw 13 empty shell casings. 10 stacked up and 3 lying down. So this tells me it was random or spur of the moment but something was staged. I also feel something was taken from one of the girls. I did see a purse, not two but one. Not sure what or why. I felt that Tayor has the target and Skyla just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I decided to post this as I haven't read a lot about this case as I don't live in OK and there isn't much I have run across. But today I saw the post about finding her purse on her arm and decided to just put this out there.

My prayers go out to the families.

[little726]

Hi, I am new to this thread. I found it while searching info on Caylee. I had a dream a few nights after this story aired on CNN about Taylor and Skyla.

I won't bore you with all the details, but I got that Taylor knew this person and she was a "hit" and it was all business and he said "regrettable" in my dream. When I say knew him, I mean recognized him. I also feel he was impotent. He felt she knew something or saw something. I also felt that the drawing of the POI may have been a lie, or there was something about the his mouth or teeth as he sort of hid them with his hand in my dream. I didn't see the drawing until a week after this dream and it had some similarities to the person I saw. I also got that the crime scene was staged in some way. I saw 13 empty shell casings. 10 stacked up and 3 lying down. So this tells me it was random or spur of the moment but something was staged. I also feel something was taken from one of the girls. I did see a purse, not two but one. Not sure what or why. I felt that Tayor has the target and Skyla just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I decided to post this as I haven't read a lot about this case as I don't live in OK and there isn't much I have run across. But today I saw the post about finding her purse on her arm and decided to just put this out there.

My prayers go out to the families.

Bern, thank you for posting your insight into this awful crime.

[Claycat]

Bern, you are right on about so much of the info. When I saw the POI image, it turned to dust and fell off the screen (in my mind's eye). It turns out that the person the witnesses saw looked somewhat different from that drawing. The girls were shot a total of 13 times, so the 13 casings would be correct. And, as you found out, you were correct about the purse.

I saw Taylor's face in one of my visions, and she turned pale. I felt she was the main target, too.

[Bern]

Hi Clay Cat,

I went back to my dream notes yesterday, and I have an entry for "a back room card game" that was also in that dream, I had this dream June 13th of all dates. thanks for the info about the shells, I have chills, now. In my dream the POI, sort of just appeared in front of me and I was so scared and shocked to see him. This sounds crazy, but he appears to me in a familar place, a fish counter were I shop, so I think she knew him from a familar place or he works for a market or fish market. So i think Taylor knew him and was surprised to see him. I know a bit of sign language, and in the dream the POI sort of had his three fingers up to his mouth and they were cuped. Two fingers to the mouth means lie, but you know in a dream how you can't always see it clear, it could have been he was hiding his teeth, or there was something wrong with his mouth as a symbol for lies or studdering. Dreams are hard to figure out. I also thought because of the POI in my dream he had the name of Jim or James or a J name. I also think he was clever or thought he could out wit everyone. In my dream we end up in a "Shrink's office with clients but they are sort of dead, so maybe he has done this before? I really believe he is still there, in that town, and I think the police have a good idea who it is, but they are fishing him out.

[Mysterylover]

Hi Clay Cat,

I went back to my dream notes yesterday, and I have an entry for "a back room card game" that was also in that dream, I had this dream June 13th of all dates. thanks for the info about the shells, I have chills, now. In my dream the POI, sort of just appeared in front of me and I was so scared and shocked to see him.
This sounds crazy, but he appears to me in a familar place, a fish counter were I shop, so I think she knew him from a familar place or he works for a market or fish market.
So i think Taylor knew him and was surprised to see him.

I know a bit of sign language, and in the dream the POI sort of had his three fingers up to his mouth and they were cupped.
Two fingers to the mouth means lie, but you know in a dream how you can't always see it clear, it could have been he was hiding his teeth, or there was something wrong with his mouth as a symbol for lies or studdering.

Dreams are hard to figure out. I also thought because of the POI in my dream he had the name of Jim or James or a J name.

I also think he was clever or thought he could out wit everyone.

In my dream we end up in a "Shrink's office with clients but they are sort of dead, so maybe he has done this before?
I really believe he is still there, in that town, and I think the police have a good idea who it is, but they are fishing him out......

Bern, "He thought he was clever and could out wit everyone"...Very interesting......how old did you feel he was in your dream?

I've always had questions about the crime scene not being disturbed, the gap in time before LE was called, the shoulder bag, the dog, as well as the 'time' line and the over-kill.

Seeing the POI in your dream could he have been using his fingers to his mouth to say 'quite'/ stop screaming/ keep your mouth shut/ don't tell, or 'you should have listened to what I said' ?

or could he been on drugs, possibly a Meth user and his teeth are turning black, falling out or decaying?...:put em up:

[Mysterylover]

Hi, I am new to this thread. I found it while searching info on Caylee. I had a dream a few nights after this story aired on CNN about Taylor and Skyla.

I won't bore you with all the details, but I got that Taylor knew this person and she was a "hit" and it was all business and he said "regrettable" in my dream. When I say knew him, I mean recognized him.

I also feel he was impotent.

He felt she knew something or saw something.
I also felt that the drawing of the POI may have been a lie, or there was something about the his mouth or teeth as he sort of hid them with his hand in my dream.

I didn't see the drawing until a week after this dream and it had some similarities to the person I saw.

I also got that the crime scene was staged in some way. I saw 13 empty shell casings. 10 stacked up and 3 lying down.

So this tells me it was random or spur of the moment but something was staged. I also feel something was taken from one of the girls.

I did see a purse, not two but one. Not sure what or why.

I felt that Tayor as the target and Skyla just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I decided to post this as I haven't read a lot about this case as I don't live in OK and there isn't much I have run across.
But today I saw the post about finding her purse on her arm and decided to just put this out there.

My prayers go out to the families...........

Does anyone know IF the use of certain drugs, like Meth, cause impotence?

Defination of im·po·tent (mp-tnt)
adj.
1. Lacking physical strength or vigor; weak.
2. Lacking in power, as to act effectively; helpless: "Technology without morality is barbarous; morality without technology is impotent" Freeman J. Dyson.

a. Incapable of sexual intercourse, often because of an inability to achieve or sustain an erection.
b. Sterile. Used of males.

4. Obsolete Lacking self-restraint.

Adjective
1. not having the power to influence people or events
2. (of a man) incapable of sexual intercourse
impotence

[Bern]

Hi Letsthink,

I get he was in his late 40 's to 50s. I got this dream b4 the composite came out. So when I saw it on CNN I wrote down what I dreamt. I know now that the no. of shell casings are correct and a purse was found, so maybe something else is correct also. I felt real strong about the hand jester being, his teeth or the composite is a lie or wrong. Could be both. I felt that something was taken, bc, in the dream after I see him and he startles me, I am looking at a box of trinkets, like small buttons, old jewelry and he takes something and it turns into a "prize" and he puts it in a his box of jewels.

I thought maybe the backroom card game, gambling, could be he is involved in high stakes card games?

I don't think he did this alone, but he may have hired someone to do this or was there with some one else. But I feel like he waited and took them by surprise.

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi Bern, I'm so glad you posted your dream, as it is very interesting and included clues which could be valuable. I too had a dream but could not see the perps face. All I could see was a ponytail. i interpreted this to be a woman. Were you able to see the perps hair in your dream?

There was a bar or saloon in my dream. My intuition tells me this person may have gone drinking after the crimes were committed. JMO. The backroom card game ties in to this as the perp could have gone to a casino as opposed to a bar. I too feel that others were involved. Just lookin for commonalities here. Welcome and please keep posting. WM ;~)

[Ruflossn]

Bern~
Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.

Ruflossn

[Bern]

Hi WM,

I don't think he had a pony tail, but once again, it was a dream and you know how that goes. I did get grey hair, and his face was older, and I don't think he was Amer. Indian to tell you the truth. That's why I don't think the POI drawing was correct. JMO not that people didn't tell the truth, just that something was different about what I dreamed. The POI, may have been there, just not connected to this or he was in disguise maybe?

[ArizonaGiGi]

Bern, welcome to WS and thanks for posting. I found your dream very interesting! Yes the poi may have been in a disguise. I recall that one witness or maybe more than one, stated that he had hazel eyes. I live near an apache reservation and I have never never seen an American Indian with anything but brown eyes. Sometimes they have lighter brown eyes but still brown. This tells me that that POI may not have been AI but disguised.

Hi CC and everybody else. I know off topic but this is the only thread anyone is posting on lately. :)

[waltzingmatilda]

Hi AGG. Yep, we've gotta keep these threads alive so these young girls are remembered and the murders are found and put behind bars.

Bern, I saw grey hair as well.

I've had a subsequent dream since my original where I wake in the morning and my S/O turns on the t.v. while he's getting ready for work and just as the sound comes on, I hear the newsman reporting that an arrest has been made in this case. Praying that day comes sooooon......

[Bern]

WM,

I hope your dream comes true:crazy: I used to think I was crazy and never talked about this stuff, but I find that a lot of what I get has meaning and I don't care what people think any more.

[little726]

Have any of our psychic's seen wolves in their dreams or visions?

[Ruflossn]

Does anyone know IF the use of certain drugs, like Meth, cause impotence?

Defination of im·po·tent (mp-tnt)
adj.
1. Lacking physical strength or vigor; weak.
2. Lacking in power, as to act effectively; helpless: "Technology without morality is barbarous; morality without technology is impotent" Freeman J. Dyson.

a. Incapable of sexual intercourse, often because of an inability to achieve or sustain an erection.
b. Sterile. Used of males.

4. Obsolete Lacking self-restraint.

Adjective
1. not having the power to influence people or events
2. (of a man) incapable of sexual intercourse
impotence

Letsthink~
Yes, meth can cause impotence.

http://mental-health.emedtv.com/methamphetamine/methamphetamine-sexual-side-effects.html

Side Effects
Short Term Effects:

Increased heart rate, blood pressure, metabolism; feelings of exhilaration, energy, increased mental alertness;aggression, violence, psychotic behavior
Long Term Effects:

Memory loss, cardiac and neurological damage; impaired memory and learning, tolerance, addiction

Methamphetamine Sexual Side Effects: An Overview

* Changes in sex drive (libido).

* Impotence, which is usually defined as a total inability to achieve erection, an inconsistent ability to do so, or a tendency to sustain only brief erections. Ultimately, impotence is the repeated inability to get or keep an erection firm enough for sexual intercourse. It is also known as erectile dysfunction (or ED for short

Flossie

[Claycat]

Have any of our psychic's seen wolves in their dreams or visions?

About this case? Or just in general?

I saw a huge black wolf by the side of the road in a small town in southern New Mexico. There should have been no wolves that size and color in that area. The Mexican wolves in the region are smaller and gray. I was kind of spooked about it.

[Lauren - CA]

WM,

I hope your dream comes true:crazy: I used to think I was crazy and never talked about this stuff, but I find that a lot of what I get has meaning and I don't care what people think any more.

Welcome Bern, please continue to share your thoughts and dreams. I find your interpretations very insightful.

[Lauren - CA]

Hi, I am new to this thread. I found it while searching info on Caylee. I had a dream a few nights after this story aired on CNN about Taylor and Skyla.

I won't bore you with all the details, but I got that Taylor knew this person and she was a "hit" and it was all business and he said "regrettable" in my dream. When I say knew him, I mean recognized him. I also feel he was impotent. He felt she knew something or saw something. I also felt that the drawing of the POI may have been a lie, or there was something about the his mouth or teeth as he sort of hid them with his hand in my dream. I didn't see the drawing until a week after this dream and it had some similarities to the person I saw. I also got that the crime scene was staged in some way. I saw 13 empty shell casings. 10 stacked up and 3 lying down. So this tells me it was random or spur of the moment but something was staged. I also feel something was taken from one of the girls. I did see a purse, not two but one. Not sure what or why. I felt that Tayor has the target and Skyla just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I decided to post this as I haven't read a lot about this case as I don't live in OK and there isn't much I have run across. But today I saw the post about finding her purse on her arm and decided to just put this out there.

My prayers go out to the families.

In what way do you feel the crime scene was staged? Just regarding the shell casings?

[Lauren - CA]

Hi WM,

I don't think he had a pony tail, but once again, it was a dream and you know how that goes. I did get grey hair, and his face was older, and I don't think he was Amer. Indian to tell you the truth. That's why I don't think the POI drawing was correct. JMO not that people didn't tell the truth, just that something was different about what I dreamed. The POI, may have been there, just not connected to this or he was in disguise maybe?

Do you get the feeling that the POI was the murderer? The pony tail has been mentioned several times. Do you feel the pony tail was "fake"?

[Bern]

Lauren,

I don't think the POI looked like he did in the drawing, or he was not the person who did this. My dream is telling me that there is "something wrong with the drawing" or the POI. I don't know what that is. I just know that I got it was "wrong". I didn't see a pony tail and the person was older.

As far as "staging". When something is stacked up of placed in a dream, it means to me, that some one tampered with it. They set it up to look a certain way, or they did the crime in a way to send a message. I did drawings of what I saw in my dream, so I could remember it. I am being shown staged. Iwould think someone moved something, or placed bodies in a postion, or some thing like that. Not saying that is what was done, but something like that.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Lauren,

I don't think the POI looked like he did in the drawing, or he was not the person who did this. My dream is telling me that there is "something wrong with the drawing" or the POI. I don't know what that is. I just know that I got it was "wrong". I didn't see a pony tail and the person was older.

As far as "staging". When something is stacked up of placed in a dream, it means to me, that some one tampered with it. They set it up to look a certain way, or they did the crime in a way to send a message. I did drawings of what I saw in my dream, so I could remember it. I am being shown staged. Iwould think someone moved something, or placed bodies in a postion, or some thing like that. Not saying that is what was done, but something like that.

That would make sense to me.

[little726]

About this case? Or just in general?

I saw a huge black wolf by the side of the road in a small town in southern New Mexico. There should have been no wolves that size and color in that area. The Mexican wolves in the region are smaller and gray. I was kind of spooked about it.

Yes, concerning this case.

I came across a picture of a white male, who could pass as NA. He lived in Sulfur, OK. until sometime in August 08. He then moved to Calif. He was so much into wolves, that he had raised a litter of them from babies.

I thought maybe he was on that back road turning them loose and Taylor and Skyla seen him.

I don't think that is reason enough to kill someone, though.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Yes, concerning this case.

I came across a picture of a white male, who could pass as NA. He lived in Sulfur, OK. until sometime in August 08. He then moved to Calif. He was so much into wolves, that he had raised a litter of them from babies.

I thought maybe he was on that back road turning them loose and Taylor and Skyla seen him.

I don't think that is reason enough to kill someone, though.

Wow - thats interesting. I wonder if he was checked out? Hope so.
ps I like your new avitar.

[Lauren - CA]

Lauren,

I don't think the POI looked like he did in the drawing, or he was not the person who did this. My dream is telling me that there is "something wrong with the drawing" or the POI. I don't know what that is. I just know that I got it was "wrong". I didn't see a pony tail and the person was older.

As far as "staging". When something is stacked up of placed in a dream, it means to me, that some one tampered with it. They set it up to look a certain way, or they did the crime in a way to send a message. I did drawings of what I saw in my dream, so I could remember it. I am being shown staged. Iwould think someone moved something, or placed bodies in a postion, or some thing like that. Not saying that is what was done, but something like that.

Thanks for clarifying.

[PGW]

Have any of our psychic's seen wolves in their dreams or visions?


No. But my family's crest has a wolf in it.

[Bern]

I haven't seen any wolves, but can you tell me where the discussion about casinos was? I had a back room card game in my dream. Like poker. What is the connection all about. I read something about a book and how the casinos made out?

[little726]

I haven't seen any wolves, but can you tell me where the discussion about casinos was? I had a back room card game in my dream. Like poker. What is the connection all about. I read something about a book and how the casinos made out?

Hi, Bern.

I think the discussion about the casinos was on the rumor thread. The Plackers were seen at the casino. I'll go look for it.

[little726]

[QUOTE=Bern;2868446]I haven't seen any wolves, but can you tell me where the discussion about casinos was? I had a back room card game in my dream. Like poker. What is the connection all about. I read something about a book and how the casinos made out?[/QUOTe

Heres the thread where it starts talking about the casinos; http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69449&page=2 post #33, started by Sheza.

[Bern]

Thank you Little,

I read the posts, I was thinking maybe the POI had a connection with a Casino or that he spends a lot of time in card rooms. I know nothing of gambeling, don't do it, waste of money to me. LOL.

Do you get any info, other than dreams?

[little726]

Thank you Little,

I read the posts, I was thinking maybe the POI had a connection with a Casino or that he spends a lot of time in card rooms. I know nothing of gambeling, don't do it, waste of money to me. LOL.

Do you get any info, other than dreams?


No, Bern, I don't have dreams or visions. I wish I did. I just use the internet to research this terrible crime.

[Mysterylover]

Thank you Little,

I read the posts, I was thinking maybe the POI had a connection with a Casino or that he spends a lot of time in card rooms.
I know nothing of gambeling, don't do it, waste of money to me. LOL.

Do you get any info, other than dreams?

Bern,
That's an excellent point I haven't seen mentioned...this got me thinking.
What IF, someone had an addiction to gambling and owed a casino a lot of money?
Possibly the POI...came to "collect" $$$$$ owed and got very mad because this person kept dodging him?
I question the fact the family ran right to the casino after this horrible crime when they got some $$$$ in their pockets...:no:

[Bern]

Dreams are so unclear at times, I wasn't sure if the card game meant that the POI went to a card game or people involved with gambling and drugs got him to do it.

I also saw in another dream 4 men with their backs to me, at the edge of a pond or lake. They had backpacks and fishing poles. I interpreted that to mean that 4 officers were "fishing for info" maybe undercover and had things they weren't showing ie; backpacks. The 4 of swords means police.

So I think they are still with this, don't give up.

[Lauren - CA]

Bern,
That's an excellent point I haven't seen mentioned...this got me thinking.
What IF, someone had an addiction to gambling and owed a casino a lot of money?
Possibly the POI...came to "collect" $$$$$ owed and got very mad because this person kept dodging him?
I question the fact the family ran right to the casino after this horrible crime when they got some $$$$ in their pockets...:no:

That's a very good point Letsthink. But also everyone deals with grief differently. Personally, I would not be going to a casino. I would probably be locked up in my house in the dark and not want to be seen by anyone. Maybe they want to blow the money because of what it represents? I mean, would you feel good about using that money? I highly doubt I would.

[Bern]

Where did this money come from? And how much was it? what was it to be used for? :confused:

[Claycat]

Bern, I like the yin and yang cats!

[Lauren - CA]

Where did this money come from? And how much was it? what was it to be used for? :confused:

Bern, the money came from all over. As soon as this tragedy hit the airwaves, Uncle Joe Mosher made mention that the families "had nothing" and pretty much were dirt poor. Hence, two funds were set up at the bank and thousands rolled in from all over the world. The rumour is, that over $100 grand was given to each family. It was supposed to be used to cover the funeral and burial costs.

[noZme]

Editing to add: I type slowly & see my question may have been answered... can anyone verify that amount?


I thought casinos only dealt with cash.... can anyone refute that? When high rollers are at the tables, I suppose they are playing off a line of credit, but the average guy purchases chips when he comes in. Of course there are neighborhood poker games where someone could run up a large debt; but from what I have read, Taylor's folks played nickel slots. $20 could last all evening......I have never thought gambling money was a factor, but I have entertained thoughts of drug money figuring into the killings.

Has it been reported how much money was donated to the girls' families? Was it more than enough for funeral & burial expenses? I think people make contributions for final costs, then expect any excess amount will go into a search or reward fund..... not many would send $$$ thinking "I feel badly for you, here, go have a good time & forget about your troubles"..... The Anthony's in Orlando have brought the donation glitch to light.

Anyway, I bet the Plackers have spent no more time or money at the casino than before. There could be a revenge factor connected with one of their children, but I just do not think it would have been directed at either girl's parents.

just my opinion...which, with 3 bucks, will buy you a cup of coffee.

[Lauren - CA]

Bern, here is a link to the original story about the family needing financial assistance for the funerals and the bank info:


http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=8450014

[Boots-OK]

Re: Donations

There were earlier links to reports that the bank(s) had to hire additional personnel to accept the phone calls day and night to receive the donations.

The actual amounts have not been disclosed by the banks or LE, to my knowledge. All donations are in addition to Oklahoma's established victim fund which would provide up to $20K, iirc, to each family for burial expenses, etc.

[ArizonaGiGi]

It was a rumor that each family got $100k. A very trusted rumor IIRC from a local, but never substantiated.
Last I heard, the reward fund was $30k. Now if it was more like $100k I think we have us a killer in custody. Too bad if extra donations above the costs of the funerals didn't go into the reward fund.

[oceanblueeyes]

It was a rumor that each family got $100k. A very trusted rumor IIRC from a local, but never substantiated.
Last I heard, the reward fund was $30k. Now if it was more like $100k I think we have us a killer in custody. Too bad if extra donations above the costs of the funerals didn't go into the reward fund.

I really wished that was true but sometimes no matter what the reward amount is people are not going to come forward with what they know for various reasons. A major factor could be self preservation having such a fear as to what may happen to them individually or friends and family members if they told. They also could have been there when it happened and fear they too would be arrested and charged.

I just see so many cases where it takes years for that certain someone to step forward and finally reveal what they know. For example: The woman who finally revealed what she knew in the Lita Sullivan murder case took 10 years to come forward and only did so because she was out of the relationship with the hit man hired by James Sullivan to kill Lita. This woman was even there the day that James Sullivan met the hit man and paid him off in cash while instructing how he wanted him to murder his wife. Her excuse? She said she feared he would kill her too.

Many times it happens when the person is no longer fearful or has moved away from the suspect(s) or their relationship has finally been severed for some reason.

The best hope I see is these killers have girl friends or close buddies and one day they will split up or will have major differences one day and then separate. Then maybe they will talk about what they know.

For now all that know the truth are protecting each other. I pray that changes and soon.

imoo

[Bern]

Lauren,

Thanks for the update and link, like I said in another post, I didn't keep up with this, bc, I didn't get much on my e-searches.

This makes me feel more like the POI was connected to a casino and drugs and he was "hired" to do this to send a message. A message to someone in the P family. I don't think the GRANDPARENTS. Someone else. JMO

I look on the Ink blot thread because I believe in both. I have read the reaction to the tips left for the Anthony case and they are funny.:crazy: Sad, but funny. I see why police and LE hate psychics. I had no idea they got such crap and had to go through all of these leads and waste time and money.

[little726]

Lauren,

Thanks for the update and link, like I said in another post, I didn't keep up with this, bc, I didn't get much on my e-searches.

This makes me feel more like the POI was connected to a casino and drugs and he was "hired" to do this to send a message. A message to someone in the P family. I don't think the GRANDPARENTS. Someone else. JMO

I look on the Ink blot thread because I believe in both. I have read the reaction to the tips left for the Anthony case and they are funny.:crazy: Sad, but funny. I see why police and LE hate psychics. I had no idea they got such crap and had to go through all of these leads and waste time and money.

Bern, back when this happened and PP found the girls, he said"They can't hurt me any more than they have." Maybe you are right.

[Claycat]

I have read the reaction to the tips left for the Anthony case and they are funny.:crazy: Sad, but funny. I see why police and LE hate psychics. I had no idea they got such crap and had to go through all of these leads and waste time and money.

I've been putting off reading that. It makes people who pick up serious info look bad, because of the charlatans! There are some psychics that the police work with, but they are a small group.

I would make darn sure I was certain about my info before I contacted the police. I did contact OSBI on this case and asked them to look at this thread.

As far as finding someone, I wish the dead could point to a map and let us know where they are. It's not that easy. I get messages or confirmations for the living more than I do directions. Spirits are no longer concerned with their earthly bodies. They are more concerned in sending their love to their families and friends, because it's the love that lasts forever!

[Ruflossn]

Spirits are no longer concerned with their earthly bodies. They are more concerned in sending their love to their families and friends, because it's the love that lasts forever!

CC~
That is beautiful.

xxooxxoo
Flossie

[Bern]

Claycat,

I agree with you. I just wish people would know that and not judge all of us. I have gotten some things very right on this case and didn't know it until recently. I don't get enough to solve a crime, but I do get "hints" about it. I don't rely just on my intuitions, I do use common sense. I think a lot of "hunches" that LE gets, is intuition. They just don't call it that.

Hope I didn't offend you, sorry if I did.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I think the best cops use their intuition.

[sheza]

Editing to add: I type slowly & see my question may have been answered... can anyone verify that amount?


I thought casinos only dealt with cash.... can anyone refute that? When high rollers are at the tables, I suppose they are playing off a line of credit, but the average guy purchases chips when he comes in. Of course there are neighborhood poker games where someone could run up a large debt; but from what I have read, Taylor's folks played nickel slots. $20 could last all evening......I have never thought gambling money was a factor, but I have entertained thoughts of drug money figuring into the killings.

Has it been reported how much money was donated to the girls' families? Was it more than enough for funeral & burial expenses? I think people make contributions for final costs, then expect any excess amount will go into a search or reward fund..... not many would send $$$ thinking "I feel badly for you, here, go have a good time & forget about your troubles"..... The Anthony's in Orlando have brought the donation glitch to light.

Anyway, I bet the Plackers have spent no more time or money at the casino than before. There could be a revenge factor connected with one of their children, but I just do not think it would have been directed at either girl's parents.

just my opinion...which, with 3 bucks, will buy you a cup of coffee.


Oklahoma casino nickel slots max is anywhere from $3.00 to $5.00 a roll,
(cash only) The donations to the families was VERY large and the excess did not go to the reward fund.

[sheza]

[QUOTE=Bern;2868446]I haven't seen any wolves, but can you tell me where the discussion about casinos was? I had a back room card game in my dream. Like poker. What is the connection all about. I read something about a book and how the casinos made out?[/QUOTe

Heres the thread where it starts talking about the casinos; http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69449&page=2 post #33, started by Sheza.

When I first posted the casino post, the Whitaker's have not returned but the Placker's go regularly.

[Mysterylover]

[QUOTE=little726;2868643]

When I first posted the casino post, the Whitaker's have not returned but the Placker's go regularly......

Hmmm!...So the Placker's are gambling in the casino regularly...interesting...
does anyone know IF that was their 'habit' before the violent murders?..

With a hundred grand, more or less, why blow it at a casino, when uncle Joe had said they were 'down and out broke' when the murders occurred?

Seems at their age, they would prefer to buy a little piece of land and a little house to call their own with that money.

This goes to show, regardless of the amount of money given some people, they stay broke and nothing changes....:wolf2:

[Bern]

I was wondering also if any one knew if anything was "missing" either from one of the girls or the crime scene? In my vision I posted I had gotten 13 empty shell casing, brass (not sure if I said what kind of casing). 10 were stacked and 3 laying down. I said b4 that means staged to me, but I also heard in my head if you will, "it's not what you see, it's what you don't see" I never really got that. I did see the POI take a trinket and put it in his "treasure box" and it turns to some kind of valuable jewelry. So I always wondered if the LE said anything about, shell casings missing or some thing from Taylor's purse missing?? Just wondering.

Thanks

[little726]

I was wondering also if any one knew if anything was "missing" either from one of the girls or the crime scene? In my vision I posted I had gotten 13 empty shell casing, brass (not sure if I said what kind of casing). 10 were stacked and 3 laying down. I said b4 that means staged to me, but I also heard in my head if you will, "it's not what you see, it's what you don't see" I never really got that. I did see the POI take a trinket and put it in his "treasure box" and it turns to some kind of valuable jewelry. So I always wondered if the LE said anything about, shell casings missing or some thing from Taylor's purse missing?? Just wondering.

Thanks

Not that I know of, Bern. But I have read where the killer does take something from their victim(s).

[sheza]

I was wondering also if any one knew if anything was "missing" either from one of the girls or the crime scene? In my vision I posted I had gotten 13 empty shell casing, brass (not sure if I said what kind of casing). 10 were stacked and 3 laying down. I said b4 that means staged to me, but I also heard in my head if you will, "it's not what you see, it's what you don't see" I never really got that. I did see the POI take a trinket and put it in his "treasure box" and it turns to some kind of valuable jewelry. So I always wondered if the LE said anything about, shell casings missing or some thing from Taylor's purse missing?? Just wondering.

Thanks

I don't know of anything missing, OSBI has said very little about this case.
Lots of speculation about OSBI having the dog RETURN to the crime scene,
perhaps looking for bullets that exited and should be in the ground where the girls were found. (lots of local speculation)

[Bern]

Thank you both, that is interesting.

[Mysterylover]

I was wondering also if any one knew if anything was "missing" either from one of the girls or the crime scene?
In my vision I posted I had gotten 13 empty shell casing, brass (not sure if I said what kind of casing). 10 were stacked and 3 laying down.

I said b4 that means staged to me, but I also heard in my head if you will, "it's not what you see, it's what you don't see" I never really got that.

I did see the POI take a trinket and put it in his "treasure box" and it turns to some kind of valuable jewelry.
So I always wondered if the LE said anything about, shell casings missing or some thing from Taylor's purse missing??.... Just wondering.

Thanks

Bern, Very interesting.
I always suspected there was a reason for Taylor carrying the large shoulder bag. Was T's shoulder bag ever tested for drug residue?

In the beginning, Peter said he took a cell phone from Taylor while she lay on the ground and called 911..did he take if from her shoulder bag, what else?.....Hmmmm!

The dream relates to clues and symbols.
I suspect the 'trinket' in your dream was not a 'trinket' but something else, like crystal meth or rock of crack cocaine, etc.

Please describe the 'feeling you got about the size, color and use' of the treasure box..and why would a man have a treasure box?..:waitasec:

[Bern]

I got the feeling that the killer, took something from one of the girls, but in my dream it was just to take something. I also felt it was stealing, I know I don't get that but that was the "feeling". Also it was like a souvenir of some kind and to him it was a "find" or "treasure to keep", I never thought of drugs from the girls.

I was shown the purse. I just noted it and drew it and never knew if there was one or not until I found this thread. So the purse has meaning, I just don't know what. I saw it as a plain square purse with a shoulder strap.

[Bern]

Treasure box, well, it was just what I called it because it had treasure in it. Like jewels, or gold or rings and stuff. The box is open and I can see him put what he took into the box, (it is just a square box with a open lid) it turns into a beautiful jeweled broach of some kind, old and valuable. The broach is sort of a silver, a lacy design of a shield. It is encrusted with small diamonds. But what he took is not valuable, it just becomes valuable when he places it in this box. So to him, it is a treasure.

[Mysterylover]

Treasure box, well, it was just what I called it because it had treasure in it. Like jewels, or gold or rings and stuff.
The box is open and I can see him put what he took into the box, (it is just a square box with a open lid) it turns into a beautiful jeweled broach of some kind, old and valuable.
The broach is sort of a silver, a lacy design of a shield.
It is encrusted with small diamonds.
But what he took is not valuable, it just becomes valuable when he places it in this box. So to him, it is a treasure.....

Bern, As I read your description, I thought of a silver police badge/shield...:cop:

[Ruflossn]

Treasure box, well, it was just what I called it because it had treasure in it. Like jewels, or gold or rings and stuff. The box is open and I can see him put what he took into the box, (it is just a square box with a open lid) it turns into a beautiful jeweled broach of some kind, old and valuable. The broach is sort of a silver, a lacy design of a shield. It is encrusted with small diamonds. But what he took is not valuable, it just becomes valuable when he places it in this box. So to him, it is a treasure.

Bern~ Often serial killers will take something from the crime victim as a trophy. They keep the "trophy" so that they can relive the experience of their sick experience again and again. Often killers have been caught and LE will find that the murderers have kept the trophies someplace special so that they are the only ones aware of their existance. There is also evidence that has shown murderers will steal jewlery from a crime victim and then give it to a loved one. The murderer gets a perverse pleasure out of knowing the family member is wearing a piece of jewelry that came from one of their crimes.

[Bern]

Hi Let'sthink,

It was the kind of shield that you hold up to deflect arrows.

Flossie,

I think that is what he did, he took something to keep to relive this crime.
I can't remember what he took, but it was among small buttons, and just little invaluable stuff. One he takes it, it becomes valuable.

[waltzingmatilda]

OMG Flossie, I've never thought about that. How horrible to discover that ones spouse has another secret monster life, but to also learn you were given a gift belonging to a victim would be mortifying. I have a friend on the Caylee forum whose best friends death was ruled a suicide but my friend & the family feel it was murder because a ring was missing from the victims finger. Your post made me think of that sad case.

Thank you for enlightening me. Hugs, Matilda

[Ruflossn]

OMG Flossie, I've never thought about that. How horrible to discover that ones spouse has another secret monster life, but to also learn you were given a gift belonging to a victim would be mortifying. I have a friend on the Caylee forum whose best friends death was ruled a suicide but my friend & the family feel it was murder because a ring was missing from the victims finger. Your post made me think of that sad case.

Thank you for enlightening me. Hugs, Matilda


Hi Matilda~
Was LE aware your friend has a missing ring? I would be interested in reviewing the case. If it is not to intrusive, could you give me the name of the victim and I can research it online. I am sorry for your friends loss of their family member.
Hugs to you also!
Flossie

[waltzingmatilda]

Flossie, I sent you a pm:blowkiss:

[Claycat]

A couple of days before we left on our trip to Weleetka, this reflection appeared on my wall. I ran and grabbed the camera. We felt like it was a blessing on our trip!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/tmpphptETG2L.jpg

[ArizonaGiGi]

CC that is a beautiful picture. Thanks for sharing!

[Claycat]

Since the first image I got were the golden arches, I wanted to share this photo of the golden arches in Henryetta.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/tmpphpfPNM7M.jpg

[waltzingmatilda]

Claycat, thanks so much for sharing with us. I know it was very emotional for you and the others. I look forward to all of your thoughts and impressions. Blessings to you all. matilda

[Claycat]

YW, Matilda! It is a pleasure to share.

I have to tell you that when I walked down that road holding a friend's hand, I felt an opening up. It's hard to describe. It was as if suddenly all of heaven was listening! All of our words and all of the love we felt was being intensified and absorbed! I know the girls were there listening and walking with us.

We walked down the road to look towards the Placker house. I stood in quiet meditation for awhile. I was suddenly on the shore of a sea of endless golden light. It was almost as if I was seeing through Taylor's eyes. I could see Skyla to my left. She was dressed in a swimsuit or play suit of some kind. It was as if we were about to swim in that beautiful ocean! I believe I was given a little glimpse of heaven.

[Claycat]

Today I was out walking my dog, and the smell of the ocean came to me so strongly, it was like I was again standing on the shore! The wind was blowing from the west/southwest, so there was no way it was on the wind.

[waltzingmatilda]

Claycat, That was me walking my dogs on the beach here in NC this morning. LOL :)

OT sometimes the smell of my Granny's perfume ovecomes me so suddenly it's disarming...yet comforting.

[Claycat]

Maybe that was you, WM! LOL!

I need to hear more about this ring!

[Claycat]

When we went to Weleetka, one of my walk buddies (Hugs, Buddy!) got a piece of crime scene tape that was still hanging in the trees, and gave it to me to have something to touch. I had been having trouble touching it, because I got a jarring feeling. Well, I sat down with it this morning. I did not have much success with it though. The first thing that happened was the pain that started in the ring finger on my left hand. I know Taylor was shot in one of her hands, but I don't remember which. That isn't surprising. The next thing I was aware of was hills and valleys. I was seeing images of kindergarten pointy hills and the spaces in between. Hills and valleys, hills and valleys... Then I heard a metallic female voice, "So young... I am..."

It was cold this morning, and I couldn't get warm. That may have been distracting me. I'm a bit out of practice. I will keep trying.

[ArizonaGiGi]

When we went to Weleetka, one of my walk buddies (Hugs, Buddy!) got a piece of crime scene tape that was still hanging in the trees, and gave it to me to have something to touch. I had been having trouble touching it, because I got a jarring feeling. Well, I sat down with it this morning. I did not have much success with it though. The first thing that happened was the pain that started in the ring finger on my left hand. I know Taylor was shot in one of her hands, but I don't remember which. That isn't surprising. The next thing I was aware of was hills and valleys. I was seeing images of kindergarten pointy hills and the spaces in between. Hills and valleys, hills and valleys... Then I heard a metallic female voice, "So young... I am..."

It was cold this morning, and I couldn't get warm. That may have been distracting me. I'm a bit out of practice. I will keep trying.


Claycat, Taylor was shot in the right hand but was wearing a yellow metal ring on the fourth finger of her left hand

[Claycat]

Claycat, Taylor was shot in the right hand but was wearing a yellow metal ring on the fourth finger of her left hand

Thanks, AZGiGi!

[Mysterylover]

Claycat, Taylor was shot in the right hand but was wearing a yellow metal ring on the fourth finger of her left hand......

ArizonaZ...Isn't that the hand and finger most wear a wedding band on? ... Hmmmm!.. :blowkiss:

[Claycat]

I was feeling very bleak today, like all my hopes and dreams were gone, like life was nothing but a wasteland. My buddy told me to put the crime scene tape away, that I was picking up on one of the killers, that that is what he is feeling right now. I believe that is totally true, because after I was made to realize what was happening, I felt like my blood was flowing into my limbs and renewing me. Suddenly the colors looked bright again. Thank you, friend, for opening my eyes!

[sheza]

Claycat, Skyla's family was bothered about how short her finger nails had been cut
(halfway back) and said one of her finger tips was missing, for the investagation I guess.

[Claycat]

Sheza, that makes me feel sick about her fingertip missing!

Lauren was talking about how she wished she could watch videos of our girls and hear their voices. That put me into a sort of reverie. I was daydreaming and suddenly I heard voices. I heard young girls laughing. Then I got an image of Taylor next to a Christmas tree. She was opening a box and laughing. I feel Skyla was there. Maybe it was a gift exchange last Christmas?

I'm starting to hear some things now, as well as seeing them. It's kind of strange.

[Lauren - CA]

Claycat, Skyla's family was bothered about how short her finger nails had been cut
(halfway back) and said one of her finger tips was missing, for the investagation I guess.

Sheza where did you hear that. Was that on the autopsy report. I had not heard that.

[USARDOG]

Good morning all... I am joining you in the discussion of this case, and hope I am welcome. I believe the spirit of perhaps the 2 girls, is reaching out to have this case solved. Last night while reading your thoughts and images, it came to me quite clearly that:

This was done by "young" people.
There is a strong satanic influence... Much evil here.
There was a pickup truck involved. An older truck, one of those old square types. I felt it a Ford, but it also could be a Chevy. It is multi colored, black, white, and red. The black I believe is that flat black primer. I saw the dash as being red.
There were several people who were involved 2 shooters, but with them was a
"Weak one." Someone who is not liked so much, not trusted by the others, and is prone to crack when the heat is on. He may be killed over this also at some point, to make sure he doesn't talk.
This was done for "fun," and because they think they can. They envision themselves as being a very strong "gang," or posse, and are quite sure of this. Don't think they will ever be caught even though they are close by, and are known to many, but few think them capable of this.

I don't often get things like this coming in to me, though in the past I have had a couple.

Please, a little about me... I can't spell, it is not a function of my brain, but do not confuse my inability to spell, with an inability to think. :) I have owned and trained Urban Search dogs. Am in the process of raising and training another, but am off to a slow start as I have been finishing grad school and it has been very difficult and time consuming. I am in the medical field.

I say, greetings to all, and wish you all good.

[Claycat]

USARDOG, I am so glad you are joining us! We need all the help we can get! We want justice for our girls!

[little726]

I second what CC said.

Welcome USARDOG!!!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Welcome USARDOG, we're glad your'e joining us! Our little angels need justice, and like CC said, we'll take all the help we can get. :)

Cheers,
KP

[Ruflossn]

Welcome USARDOG~
I am so happy to have your input on this case. How did you hear about it?
The truck was noted to have been a white truck, clean, possibly w/ a chrome stripe. The make/model was never released to the public.

Again, Welcome!!!
Ruflossn

[Lauren - CA]

Welcome USARDOG! We appreciate everyone's interest and opinions on this case. As for spelling, you are safe among us. We do not judge anyone.

[USARDOG]

Thanks all...

Hi Ruf. I have been interested in this case since it happened, but am a new poster to WS.

The truck... A white truck was noted in the area I believe, dirven by I someone who appeared to be of Native American decent? Does that mean it was the truck used by the killers? The truck I saw in my "seeing", was of several colors, older, one of the square type...

[Houndacres]

SARdog . . Hi. Do you know if any handlers/dogs were brought in and if so, was there any scent evidence discovered during their search? In one local case, a search and recovery unit was brought in and hit on a cigarette butt left at the crime scene. This piece of evidence was highly important in the arrest and conviction.

[USARDOG]

No, am not aware of it, but it is a good idea. I was thinking of an explosives dog to search for cases if none have been recovered. Or, perhaps a metal detector to search for the spent bullets in the ground.

I would think cases were a great place to start. Usually they yield finger prints...

[Houndacres]

Is your avatar a Malinois? What breed do you train? I have bloodhounds, but have not trained them for SAR. My girl's parents were both titled in mantrailing. Unfortunately, SAR dogs are often called out too late. If the killers left behind a scent article . such as touching the casings, it could be used to make an ID?? Is that possible?

[USARDOG]

Yes Malinois! Or as some have called them, "smart German Shephards on speed." :) Not sure if an article dog would work this late, but an explosives dog would still likely be able to smell the gun powder in the spent case if any were still on scene. A metal detector would also be useful in several ways.

Yes, it is very difficult to load a bullet into a mag without leaving finger prints on it. If they have cases, they most likely have finger prints. Cases without fingerprints would show some serious intent.

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hello Houndacres and USARDOG! There was a dog brought to the crime scene in this case. See the following link: http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0608/531249.html

[Ruflossn]

No, am not aware of it, but it is a good idea. I was thinking of an explosives dog to search for cases if none have been recovered. Or, perhaps a metal detector to search for the spent bullets in the ground.

I would think cases were a great place to start. Usually they yield finger prints...

Hello~
A dog was brought in to search for explosives. (specifically trained for the task etc....) You can read about it on the media thread.

As for the white truck w/ the POI. It has never been decided (publicly, LE may know the truth) whether the person w/ the white truck was the killer or simply someone in the area. (In the area for whatever reason) Your thoughts about a multi color truck could certainly be associated w/ someone other than the NA POI.

Thanks again for your imput.
Flossie

[Ruflossn]

Hi KP!!!!
Thanks for providing the canine link for USARDOG. I am at work and did not have the time. Stay warm my friend!!!

Love you, Miss you.
Talk later.
Flossie

[Houndacres]

In my opinion only, I don't think this was premeditated. I think it was a short window of opportunity. LE has been less than 'forthcoming' with info on this case. Perhaps on purpose and that's not always a bad thing. Maybe they have recovered the casings? I know there was some discussion on shell casings, but I don't know the facts enough to quote them.
I am very interested in the phychic perspective. In your sighting, was it possible the shooter/s were in the back of the truck?
The man that trained my bh also breeds and trains all the Malinois for LE and shutzhund sports. My favorite though was 'Malinois Football' . . that was a hoot!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hi Flossie! You are most welcome. I'm trying to stay warm, it's up to a tropical 19F here now. Love you and miss you as well! :)

Cheers,
KP

[Houndacres]

Thank you for the link. I was not aware of this. Sorry to ask things that have already been discussed. My family thinks I am consumed with this case. . maybe I am. But, I feel like the answer is just 'right there' if only they would look! I can't explain the feeling. I also have this 'cloud' over my head feeling that others are in danger until this case is solved. The cloud feeling keeps coming back over and over.

[KeyboardPlayer]

Thank you for the link. I was not aware of this. Sorry to ask things that have already been discussed. My family thinks I am consumed with this case. . maybe I am. But, I feel like the answer is just 'right there' if only they would look! I can't explain the feeling. I also have this 'cloud' over my head feeling that others are in danger until this case is solved. The cloud feeling keeps coming back over and over.
There is no need to apologize, we appreciate the fact that you are here! My family thinks the same of me, actually. It's hard to describe to them, I just keep saying "I gotta do what I gotta do". :)

I agree about others feeling they are in danger until this case is solved. I've heard that from some of them personally. :(

[USARDOG]

Very interesting... So they either have cases, or did not find them. Being they brought the dog in says to me, they didn't think they had them all, or they had none. The cases "should" yield a L or R thumb print at least. Few people, not out to make a hit, put on gloves before loading their rounds in a mag. I too, for what ever reason, think this was a thrill killing, so do not see the killers as thinking ahead enough to put on gloves when they loaded their weapons.

Truck... Yes, I felt one shooter started in the back of the truck, the other out.

Malinois football... :) There is little most Mals love more than a ball, perhaps only their people!

[stormie]

One night about a week after the murders when I was going home I was stopped in two roadblocks. In both stops they wanted to know if I lived in the area. In the second stop they showed me a picture of the POI and wanted to know if I had any ideas about him. In the first stop they asked me if I had seen a multi colored white truck in the area. They said it might look like it had the primer spots. I had not seen anything like that. A couple of weeks later my husband was talking to my brother who lives on the place next to us. He said that he had seen a truck like that in the area, but hadn't since the murders.

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hi Stormie! Thanks for joining us here! :)

Very interesting information. So something that looked like the POI truck was spotted in the area, but not since the murders. So either they were local and "got out of Dodge", or they were not local at all. Either way it's hard to be optimistic. :(

[ArizonaGiGi]

snip;[USARDOG quote]

This was done by "young" people.
There is a strong satanic influence... Much evil here.
There was a pickup truck involved. An older truck, one of those old square types. I felt it a Ford, but it also could be a Chevy. It is multi colored, black, white, and red. The black I believe is that flat black primer. I saw the dash as being red.
There were several people who were involved 2 shooters, but with them was a
"Weak one." Someone who is not liked so much, not trusted by the others, and is prone to crack when the heat is on. He may be killed over this also at some point, to make sure he doesn't talk.
This was done for "fun," and because they think they can. They envision themselves as being a very strong "gang," or posse, and are quite sure of this. Don't think they will ever be caught even though they are close by, and are known to many, but few think them capable of this.
...................................
In this article there are several mentions similar to your vision;
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[Lauren - CA]

Thank you for the link. I was not aware of this. Sorry to ask things that have already been discussed. My family thinks I am consumed with this case. . maybe I am. But, I feel like the answer is just 'right there' if only they would look! I can't explain the feeling. I also have this 'cloud' over my head feeling that others are in danger until this case is solved. The cloud feeling keeps coming back over and over.


It's ok Houndacres. I have been consumed with this case from Day 1. I think it is because of the senselessness of it, and the fact that no one is safe in this damn world. It makes you feel so vulnerable.

I am not psychic but believe I have a very strong intuitive gift. I know I was brought to these girls for a reason. It's like your cloud feeling. I can't explain it either but it won't go away.

[Boots-OK]

Welcome to all the newcomers and thank you so much for your posts.

I really love the work these trained dogs do and appreciate the patience and work it must take. It's "a calling", IMO, to be involved in working with these animals and I admire all of you who do it. Kudos to all of you and to the magnificent dogs.

Much like Lauren, I do not consider myself psychic; however, there are occasions when my intuition regarding people and events are quite strong. I've always had difficulty with the POI. I trust one of the witnesses who saw the Native American by the white truck. I'm just not certain the person seen was involved in the murders.

I recall another poster, on a different forum, who asked about an older pickup with primer and red paint. This was soon after the murders. Hmmmmmmm

Thanks again for your valued input and informative posts. We just have to keep digging.

[Claycat]

After thinking about my experience with the crime scene tape, I have come to a conclusion. Dirty Cop! IMO

[Lauren - CA]

After thinking about my experience with the crime scene tape, I have come to a conclusion. Dirty Cop! IMO

Claycat, did you come to this conclusion after holding the tape and what brought you to this conclusion?

[Claycat]

Claycat, did you come to this conclusion after holding the tape and what brought you to this conclusion?

Lauren, I would say partly based on the tape and partly some sleuthing and rumors local to the area. Also, the majority of Glocks are owned by LE. I believe the POI is a dirty cop. However, I believe he is only one of two perps, and the other is the suspect currently in jail.

OSBI, have you checked LE guns?

[GetSmart]

This snippet is from another post I did.. but I think there is an important clue here...and then again maybe the POI thought he saw something... turned around and & holy moly got out of dodge..because he did see 2 girls shot up on the side of the road...

http://www.newsok.com/clues-sought-i...rticle/3255420 (http://www.newsok.com/clues-sought-in-slaying-of-girls-in-weleetka/article/3255420)

Investigators spent most of the evening Sunday looking for clues in the area where the girls were found. Tire tracks preserved before heavy rains hit the area late Sunday show that a vehicle traveled down the road, then turned around near the ditch where the girls were found.

[USARDOG]

Claycat, Your perceptions are extra ordinary... Let me give you a hand with pistol knoledge. While I am not an expert I would say: Glocks... The portion owned by LE is quite small compared to those owned by average citizens. Glocks 9mm-.40-.45 and 10mm are some of the most reliable and widely available guns on the marked today. Renound for their accuracy, and dependability, they were designed for the Austrian Army. Glock was the fisrt of a new generation of polymer framed handguns, light, strong, accurate and durable... Coupled with the new .40 cartridge, represented a mile stone in the advancement of handguns. I would not be surprised if there weren't around 1 million Glock pistols in the US to date.

[Claycat]

Claycat, Your perceptions are extra ordinary... Let me give you a hand with pistol knoledge. While I am not an expert I would say: Glocks... The portion owned by LE is quite small compared to those owned by average citizens. Glocks 9mm-.40-.45 and 10mm are some of the most reliable and widely available guns on the marked today. Renound for their accuracy, and dependability, they were designed for the Austrian Army. Glock was the fisrt of a new generation of polymer framed handguns, light, strong, accurate and durable... Coupled with the new .40 cartridge, represented a mile stone in the advancement of handguns. I would not be surprised if there weren't around 1 million Glock pistols in the US to date.

Thanks, USARDOG! Thank you, as well, for the lesson in guns. I made the mistake of assuming. A lot of LE persons carry Glocks, don't they?

[Mysterylover]

One night about a week after the murders when I was going home I was stopped in two roadblocks. In both stops they wanted to know if I lived in the area.
In the second stop they showed me a picture of the POI and wanted to know if I had any ideas about him.
In the first stop they asked me if I had seen a multi colored white truck in the area.
They said it might look like it had the primer spots. I had not seen anything like that. A couple of weeks later my husband was talking to my brother who lives on the place next to us. He said that he had seen a truck like that in the area, but hadn't since the murders.....

Stormie, Have you heard anyone describe the color and type trucks/vehicles Uncle J., Linda, Peter and other family members may have driven/owned that day?

What do you think about the following thoughts/theory?:
Someone in the P. family meets the POI at the bridge that Sunday evening to make a drug deal or make a 'full payment' for money owed....

they supposedly hand the POI 'the drugs or money, or stolen guns' in a paper bag and leaves quickly, before the POI has a chance to check whats in the bag..
because they know they have CHEATED/ shorted the POI...possibly taken his money.

the POI quickly drives up the road to confront that person, but the 'rip-off person' has disappeared on the P. property...furious, hi on meth and fed up with excuses and being "taken/ripped off & put-off' again, he feels he is left NO other choice but to shoot the girls...jmo...:chicken:

[k4kathy]

Thanks, USARDOG! Thank you, as well, for the lesson in guns. I made the mistake of assuming. A lot of LE persons carry Glocks, don't they?CC,I do believe the Glock is a very popular choice among law enforcement.The Glock is the standard issued firearm for FBI agents.Personally.I can't see the average Joe owning a Glock since they are a bit on the pricey side.But....there are other ways of obtaining a gun other then purchasing one.Also,from what I understand,it takes some practice to become accustomed to shooting a Glock accurately.Seems to me the assessories and ammo aren't exactly cheap either(I found this info. by doing a yahoo search on Glocks)<<<<which leads me to believe the shooter didn't own the gun,or bought it off the street,or it is stolen.Only a serial number could tell that story though.I have a very good friend who has been in law enforcement a long time.I'll ask him what he thinks the most preferred firearms are.Like you,I assumed it was a Glock.

[Mysterylover]

Lauren, I would say partly based on the tape and partly some sleuthing and rumors local to the area. Also, the majority of Glocks are owned by LE. I believe the POI is a dirty cop. However, I believe he is only one of two perps, and the other is the suspect currently in jail.

OSBI, have you checked LE guns?.....

Claycat, good question, lets hope OSBI checked ALL LE glocks...

Since Glocks sell for around $500.00 and the amino is expensive, I do not see a teenager or young person owning a Glock, unless it was a stolen gun or borrowed or sneaked out of the house or car.
How many people in a community of a 1,000 people would even own a .40 Glock ?

A .40 cal Glock is a law enforcement gun and a mans gun, nothing a woman or teenager would choose to carry or shoot, like a .38 S&W.

[Claycat]

Thank you for the good info, Kathy and ML! I believe I am going to call OSBI and ask them if LE guns have been checked.

[little726]

Thank you for the good info, Kathy and ML! I believe I am going to call OSBI and ask them if LE guns have been checked.

Good luck, CC! Maybe you should give them a piece of your mind, while you have them on the phone! :eek:

[k4kathy]

Thank you for the good info, Kathy and ML! I believe I am going to call OSBI and ask them if LE guns have been checked.
Ask all LE within a certain radius to come forward if they own or use a Glock,AND also ask all LE to list everyone they know who packs a Glock.

[Missing Sarah]

I once owned a Glock 9MM..and both of my daughters had one too.
We bought them together at a gun show.
Very nice gun...although I never fired mine, I sure felt secure with it laying on my night stand.
So, I'd guess lots of people own them for protection in todays...world of violence.

[Houndacres]

For years, my best friend was a LE officer and she carried a glock. The officer who teaches the DARE program in my 5th grade classroom also carries a glock. Both had to purchase their own. Local LE depts do not issued glocks as standard equipment. A relative of mine used to be the fire arms trainer for LE in Illinois. He said that glocks are popular (or became popular) because they were made out of composite(graphite), had little kick back due to light weight, and wouldn't set off metal detectors. I think they now include specific parts that are made of metal.

[Houndacres]

Not to disagree, but I can't see a LE officer using a registered glock in a crime when he/she knows it can be traced back to them.

[GetSmart]

We also have a Glock in our collection.. got it at Gun Show too MS...I also got a T-shirt that day ... it was neat...Hard Glock Cafe LOL

[USARDOG]

Yes, Claycat, Glocks of varied caliber are carried by 60-80% of LE in today's world. They were the first to discover the utility of this gun and it is still highly favored by LE.

[USARDOG]

K4, the info you have found, IMO is not accurate. Glocks are not pricy by many standards, and when considering the dependability, cheaper guns are not favored.

Ammunition is not priced by the gun brand, but by the caliber. 9mm is very popular and quite cheep. 40, a bit more but not outrageous. 45, still not bad. 357 Sig is now getting popular as was the 10mm for some time. This is the more expensive ammo but not used by LE much.

There is no getting use to shooting a Glock that I am aware of. I have shot many, and it shoots the same as any other semi auto, but I personally am not a fan of their "safety" design, but will say, it is quick to put into action. Their triggers can be improved with a little work, and yield this a very, very good shooting gun. Aim and squeeze... is about all there is to it.

Accessories are readily available and reasonably priced. All in all, the Glock is the hand gun of choice for MANY, and excellent shooting, and extremely durable and accurate handgun.

The 40 Glock shoots very much like a 38 special, but more accurate. The recoil system in the Glock is quite effective. A 45 1911, is has far more recoil, even though they are much heavier.

[Tom'sGirl]

For the past couple of pages the posts/discussion has been everything that is NOT re