A Psychic Perspective

[Claycat]

I'm posting all the intuitive clues I have gotten about this case so far. Some may just be symbolic, some may be wrong. However, they are all impressions I have picked up.


6-14-2008
The first thing I picked up was the golden arches. (It turned out that members of both families have worked there.)


6-15-2008
I saw the angel that came down to get them. She was very tall and beautiful. She swooped down and wrapped her arms and her wings around them in a gesture of extreme protection (like a swan protecting her young) and took them home.


These are other puzzle pieces.


6-16-2008
I was trying to meditate on this case, and I kept drifting in and out of sleep. I saw the girls standing in a doorway. They were making a face at me, just in fun. They put there heads together, pulled up the outside corner of their mouths and stuck out their tongues. It was as if they were trying to make a face as one face rather than two.

I then got these fragments.

Vehicle idling - I can smell the fumes.
"Just pay, pay for me!" (It was like I heard these words.)
Pop Tarts
They froze - It was sudden. They passed so fast, they didn't realize they were dead at first.
Then I got EternalFlame.com. (This made sense, because it is a funeral parlor.)
However, on googling, I also found that song Eternal Flame (It was originally recorded by The Bangles and more recently by Atomic Kitten.)


Later I tried again.


6-17-2008
It was hard for me to concentrate. I got the words moinahan and sabian. These didn't make any sense to me in the context of the crime.

As my concentration increased, I got the word lasso.

I asked the girls to help me, and I saw the faces of two young men.

I asked for names. I got Brian and Lazarus. (It was strange that there turned out to be someone named Lazarus in the area for awhile. However, the name can also be symbolic. It could be someone who died and was revived.)


Then I tried to draw the faces of the young men I saw in my mind's eye. I drew these on 6-21-2008

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg

[christine2448]

I have to be honest, no disrespect....I have problems with the psychic stuff....but, as an investigator, no stone unturned and my ear is always 'open'.

I did however, search a few words you posted to see if the letter combos would come up with something...
moinahan
mahonia
amnion, honan, nomina
amah, amain, amino, amnia, anima, anion, mania, manna, ohia
aah, aha, amia, amin, anna, anoa, anon, ham, hao, him, hin, hon, main, mana, mano, mho, mina, moan, nah, nana, naoi, noh, noma, nona, ohm

ah, aim, ain, ama, ami, ana, ani, ha, hi, hm, ho, inn, ion, man, moa, mon, nam, nim, nom, oh

aa, ai, am, an, in, ma, mi, mo, na, no, om, on

70 words found.





sabian
basin, nabis, sabin

abas, baas, bani, bans, bias, bins, isba, nabs, nibs, snib

aba, ains, anas, anis, ansa, baa, ban, bas, bin, bis, nab, nib, sab, sain, sib

aas, ain, ais, ana, ani, ba, bi, ins, sin

aa, ai, an, as, in, is, na, si

45 words found.

lasso
lasso
also, lass, loss, ossa, sals, sola, sols
als, ass, las, sal, sol, sos
al, as, la, lo, os, so

20 words found.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...I don't recall being allowed to have a psychic thread before on WS. Is this a new thing?

[Claycat]

That's interesting, Christine2448! I'm going to look at those more closely.

I know Moinahan is a different spelling of Moynahan, which is a name. But Sabian is a cymbal maker, so it didn't make a lot of sense.

A poster on another forum said lasso and pop tarts were terms soldiers used in Vietnam for catching and killing children. (I had not heard that before.)

[Snowlover77]

Hmmm...I don't recall being allowed to have a psychic thread before on WS. Is this a new thing?
I think it's an ok thing to have on here. You just neevr know what it could produce.

[Claycat]

Hmmm...I don't recall being allowed to have a psychic thread before on WS. Is this a new thing?

LittleDeer suggested that we could have a thread like this if you got a forum. I didn't think it would hurt. Real police occasionally consult psychics. Remember that show, Psychic Detectives. Those people were asked to help the police. Some of them actually came up with information that helped.

[christine2448]

Hmmm...I don't recall being allowed to have a psychic thread before on WS. Is this a new thing?

As long as things are done respectfully, no violating TOS ;) I believe these opinions and discussion are OK.

[christine2448]

a different spelling

Ahhh, spelling, hadn't thought of that....that could open up many more possibilities.

[Claycat]

Thanks, Christine, for allowing the thread to stay! I appreciate it. :)

[Tom'sGirl]

I have a vision of the name "Marisa Placker", does that mean anything?

[FlowerChild]

I had a dream - it was like I was there - I was Taylor. I was sitting in a pick-up truck on the drivers side, but I wasn't driving, the door was open - the truck was parked. I was sitting kinda sideways in the seat - my left leg was hanging outside the cab along the side of the seat - in the open door. My right leg was on the left side of the drivers floorboard area. I was relaxed. The seat was a tan/brown plastic bench seat. Someone wearing a peach colored shirt (a man but I get no face) came up to the window (like he was standing on the outside of the door but was leaning in thru the open window) and shot me twice with a pretty large looking handgun - his arm was extended thru the open driver's side window. I get the impression he was left handed. I think the side mirror broke, or was broken, I see a broken drivers side mirror - maybe a few slivers or pieces of it it fell out - not sure. I threw my left arm up over my face and the shots entered on the left side of my chest - on my left side actually - above my waist but below my armpit - one shot was higher, the other lower - in a vertical line where my arm would have been if it was hanging along my side. I could feel the shots go in, I immediately had trouble breathing, couldn't move and felt a dull pain. I fell to my right onto my right side on the seat (it was hot) and then was pulled out (slid out) of the truck by my legs. I saw the steering wheel, it was hard, cracked plastic. I think there was a running board or a step on the truck because I was looking up at the bottom of something on the truck from my position on the ground where I fell. I was lying on dusty ground next to the truck on my right side maybe 2 feet from the side of the truck - with the top of my head facing the rear tire of the truck and my feet toward the front tire - the hubcap on the front (drivers side) wheel was shiny. My right arm was sort of under my head - my left arm just fell limp next to my stomach. I felt nothing, I felt like I was floating, I couldn't breathe but it didn't really seem to matter (breathing, that is) and everything started to fade and I woke up.

It was a really BAD dream and unlike any I have had before (my bad dreams are usually falling or being chased, or I am afraid and trying to scream and can't). I have been immersing myself in this case before bed so it probably means nothing except that it has taken over my sub-conscious and I should do something "cheerier" before bed. I just thought I would share in case it means something. I did not see the "killer" I did not see Skyla, and I was very shocked that this man just shot me with no warning.

[Beyond Belief]

pop tart n. Slang term used for a slutty virgin in her early teens who everyone expects will get knocked up soon.

Urban dictionary

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pop+tart

[Littledeer]

Don't take offense FlowerChild, but I think the posting of your dream is a little too graphic. What if any of the family members are reading here?

I don't think I would want to read anything (even if from a dream) about what my daughters went through. I would think they have enough nightmares of their own in dreaming of the scene.

But I will leave that decison up to the mods.

JMHO

[SeriouslySearching]

When you open up to post dreams and visions of brutal killings, you have to expect that some will be very graphic.

I don't think FC's dream is any more graphic than the things we have discussed on the general threads.

[Claycat]

FlowerChild, what a frightening dream! It sounds so real! You may have been picking up her last moments. It makes me wonder if Taylor was shot first. Did you feel like you knew the shooter, since you seemed to be sitting comfortably in the truck before it happened?

[Claycat]

Tom'sGirl, did you google Marisa Placker? :eek:

Look what the first posting is when you do?

http://www.google.com/search?q=marisa+placker&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


Thanks, BeyondBelief! I wonder if that is how the shooter/shooters thought of the girls.

[Claudia]

Well, that's interesting, isn't it?



Hi Claycat! :)

[Tom'sGirl]

Tom'sGirl, did you google Marisa Placker?
I WILL ADMIT I was being sarcastic when I posted my inquiry, my vision was from reading it the same place you and others did over at Topix!

[PGW]

Did anybody else get creeped out by the clown photos posted in both of the girls guest books? Probably some well-meaning person put it there, but something about it just
gave me an awful gut-feeling about it. I don't know why. I kept thinking about the girls and looking at the photo of that clown and the word smile and it just gave me chills.

Claycat, did I offend you by asking if you'd slightly redo the drawing? I am not much of an artist and you did a good job. I just wanted to see if you could do a second one, for a comparison.

[noZme]

Did anybody else get creeped out by the clown photos posted in both of the girls guest books? snip....



YES. thank you for bringing that up. i was startled then as you, decided it was from a well-meaning person who was just saying "be happy". i bet it someone who has found her calling as a clown for birthday parties, school carnivals & such, where she does in fact spread joy..... but absolutely it was unexpected in the memory books.

[TeeOne]

Did anybody else get creeped out by the clown photos posted in both of the girls guest books? Probably some well-meaning person put it there, but something about it just
gave me an awful gut-feeling about it. I don't know why. I kept thinking about the girls and looking at the photo of that clown and the word smile and it just gave me chills.

Claycat, did I offend you by asking if you'd slightly redo the drawing? I am not much of an artist and you did a good job. I just wanted to see if you could do a second one, for a comparison.

The clown did give me the creeps! I think partyl because you don't expect to see a clown in a memory book...
Also, whenever I see a clown or smiley face now...my mind goes right to the smiley face killers. I know I need to work on that.

[lisay]

I actually appreciate the psychic perspective. I highly doubt the family is reading here and if they are, I would imagine they would be way more offended with the discussions regarding their extended families.

[sweetheart29]

Did anybody else get creeped out by the clown photos posted in both of the girls guest books? Probably some well-meaning person put it there, but something about it just
gave me an awful gut-feeling about it. I don't know why. I kept thinking about the girls and looking at the photo of that clown and the word smile and it just gave me chills.

Claycat, did I offend you by asking if you'd slightly redo the drawing? I am not much of an artist and you did a good job. I just wanted to see if you could do a second one, for a comparison. Maybe its cause it just don't fit in with he other pictures. Maybe its creepy cause that it looks like a scary clown. My 7yr son says he would not want to play with that clown either. That there something wrong with it but he does not what wrong with it.

[Littledeer]

Actually I appreciate it too. I just took it too hard in visualizing FlowerChild's dream.

But I'm glad the mods decided to leave it here as long as it stays within the WS rules of posting, etc.

[Claycat]

Thank you all for your input!

I'm glad they kept my thread. I appreciate it very much.

That's weird Tom's Girl. I didn't pick up that you were being sarcastic, because you did me such a kind favor the other day. I have been in so many forums lately, that my head is spinning.

PGW, I'm sorry. I didn't read where you asked me to change the drawing. Someone said the face ought to be a little fuller on the guy on the left, but I don't remember what forum I read that on either. I don't know if I will change it right now. I'm having some trouble with my eyes.

Hi Claudia and TeeOne!

[Beyond Belief]

I like this thread also. I don't want to bore you, but I want to explain why.
Jessie Lunsford website several years ago: psychics were not really welcomed. But, I searched the web trying to find out what the psychics were reporting. I came across an entry that stayed with me. She was off a little, but it was similiar.
Psychic: Saw Jessie under a wooden bridge, the older type. Jessie could see the steeple of a church from where she was. The psychic left out what else she saw. But Jessie was close to or under a wooden porch close to her church.
It was enough for me to be interested.

[Littledeer]

ClayCat:

FYI, if you want to bring over your first psychic posts, I believe you can find them here:

Thread #3 Pg. 12 Post 303

Thread #5 Pg. 7 Post 159

And PGW: Yours in on Thread #7 Pg. 9 Post 205

And concernedperson: Yours in on Thread #7 Pg. 9 Post 217

I didn't want to bring them over without your permission.

:blowkiss:

[Claycat]

Hi, Littledeer! Thanks for those links! :)

I tried to pull it all into one group at the beginning of this thread. It may not be the exact wording, but it's close.

NoZme, thanks for your support!

Hi Lisay and Sweetheart29!

Beyond Belief, that is so interesting about that lady! Thanks for posting that!

Now I need to check out the clown picture!

[PGW]

ClayCat:

FYI, if you want to bring over your first psychic posts, I believe you can find them here:

Thread #3 Pg. 12 Post 303

Thread #5 Pg. 7 Post 159

And PGW: Yours in on Thread #7 Pg. 9 Post 205

And concernedperson: Yours in on Thread #7 Pg. 9 Post 217

I didn't want to bring them over without your permission.

:blowkiss:

Be my guest! I'm okay with it either way.

[PGW]

Maybe its cause it just don't fit in with he other pictures. Maybe its creepy cause that it looks like a scary clown. My 7yr son says he would not want to play with that clown either. That there something wrong with it but he does not what wrong with it.


Thanks for the info, sweetheart. Glad to know it's not just me!

[PGW]

Hi, Littledeer! Thanks for those links! :)

I tried to pull it all into one group at the beginning of this thread. It may not be the exact wording, but it's close.

NoZme, thanks for your support!

Hi Lisay and Sweetheart29!

Beyond Belief, that is so interesting about that lady! Thanks for posting that!

Now I need to check out the clown picture!

Yeah, see what it does to you. Maybe we're picking up on something related to the crime through association and not really because of what was posted?
Maybe the fact that clowns have overexaggerated smiles, which perhaps is what the girls encountered, meaning they knew the shooter?

I'm not blaming the person who posted the clown photos at all. It's just that it did something to me when I saw it.

[Claycat]

Most clowns are scary! A lot of little kids cry when they first see a clown.

The one in the guestbooks didn't bother me. I thought it was kind of odd, though, kind of jarring.

Now, the clown in Poltergeist! That one was terrifying! Also, the one in Stephen King's "It"!

[Beyond Belief]

Information coming out of Weleetka per post in original thread:
"She also said that a psychic was brought in who said that one person did it, but six people know about it."

[KR2tonenow]

I have to be honest, no disrespect....I have problems with the psychic stuff....but, as an investigator, no stone unturned and my ear is always 'open'.

I did however, search a few words you posted to see if the letter combos would come up with something...
moinahan
mahonia
amnion, honan, nomina
amah, amain, amino, amnia, anima, anion, mania, manna, ohia
aah, aha, amia, amin, anna, anoa, anon, ham, hao, him, hin, hon, main, mana, mano, mho, mina, moan, nah, nana, naoi, noh, noma, nona, ohm

ah, aim, ain, ama, ami, ana, ani, ha, hi, hm, ho, inn, ion, man, moa, mon, nam, nim, nom, oh

aa, ai, am, an, in, ma, mi, mo, na, no, om, on

70 words found.





sabian
basin, nabis, sabin

abas, baas, bani, bans, bias, bins, isba, nabs, nibs, snib

aba, ains, anas, anis, ansa, baa, ban, bas, bin, bis, nab, nib, sab, sain, sib

aas, ain, ais, ana, ani, ba, bi, ins, sin

aa, ai, an, as, in, is, na, si

45 words found.

lasso
lasso
also, lass, loss, ossa, sals, sola, sols
als, ass, las, sal, sol, sos
al, as, la, lo, os, so

20 words found.

or could these be NA names?

[January.]

I think it's really interesting to hear the psychic perspective. Please keep us updated if you have any other visions Claycat.

[SeriouslySearching]

You do know that I don't think having a place for this is a bad thing...only that I have been chastized for it more than once on WS. I am just surprised.

I have no feelings on this case...but while at my DD's...we saw a turtle inching his way towards the lake. I told the boys it looked like one of Taylor's turtles was going home. I remembered the stories our posters shared of their experiences (lovely stories). It brought a tear to my eye.

[Claycat]

Thanks, January!

SS, you are making tears come to my eyes, too. My husband saw a turtle crossing the highway this morning. He wanted to stop, but he wasn't in a safe place, so he prayed for it! He said he didn't see the turtle on the way home, so he guesses he made it. We frequently stop on the highway to get turtles out of the way. From now on, I will think of Taylor and Skyla when we do!

[FlowerChild]

It was an awful dream, I had to get up and "walk it off" after. But it wasn't awful in that horror, scary, I'm gonna die way, just awful in the thoughts and sadness it left me with. I didn't really feel any pain, I wasn't scared, it was like I was there, but not really there - just observing what happened from the victims perspective . The only sensation was a brief time of being aware I couldn't breathe - but after that, it didn't seem to be important to breathe any more and I was just looking at everything really closely. And the scene just faded and I woke up.

It was the situation that freaked me out, not what happened to me in the dream. I didn't like being there - in that place, in that situation and after I woke up, the knowledge of what I knew happened to Taylor combined with the vivid dream kept me awake and anxious for a long time. I have never had a dream like this one, and I don't want to have another.

And to answer the question about how Taylor was feeling I can only tell you about my dream - that the sensations I got were "open" to the killer - like innocent flirting and testing out "femininity". A sense of wanting to impress this guy and being thrilled he was paying special attention. He never touched her - but he was encouraging and charming right up to the point he shot her. The killer was very calm, not rushing, just very "matter-of-fact" The response to being shot was more shocked than scared. Not in pain, not freaking out, not fearful, not enough time to feel much at all - maybe 2-3 minutes. In my dream it was fast fast - but not before I looked around and took in every possible detail. It was so vivid and detailed..I could small the dusty road. Whether or not it's true - well I hope that part is - because I would like to think the girls left this earthly plane in a state of wonderment, not fear and pain.

I did not see a face, but the feeling I got was the killer was "so cute" and "so cool" and the other girls would be so jealous. His arms and body seemed young.

Bottom line - I was (in my dream) in the situation by choice and in total disbelief that the killer did what he did and not knowing WHY! Whoever said Taylor (and Skyla) might not have even known they were dead - well in my dream it was a relief to be not aware of my body any more and be able to look around and see everything so clearly. And I can say that I didn't feel "dead" in the dream - I was too busy being amazed by being there, but not really being there - my body, feeling anything physically, was just not an issue - but I desperately wanted to take in every tiny detail.

ALL My Opinion

[GetSmart]

YES. thank you for bringing that up. i was startled then as you, decided it was from a well-meaning person who was just saying "be happy". i bet it someone who has found her calling as a clown for birthday parties, school carnivals & such, where she does in fact spread joy..... but absolutely it was unexpected in the memory books.

That is strange and the little monkey eating a hot dog ...I just don't get it.
I hope it was someone meaning well.

[Mysterylover]

pop tart n. Slang term used for a slutty virgin in her early teens who everyone expects will get knocked up soon.

Urban dictionary

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pop+tart

Possibly when CC had the vision about pop tarts, maybe the "tart" should have been spelled:

Pop Tawt

"What every girl hopes some dood will pop into her one slice toasta of love!
The flirty girl suggested that he warm up his poptawt in her one slice toasta!"...
means about the same thing as "Tart" in " slang", & the Urban dictionary....jmo

[lisay]

I was searching MySpace last night for people from Weleetka. I got to the following myspace from a girl stating she was from Weleetka. Anyway, as I was scrolling down reading comments, I saw this one from "Lizzie": "I love you more HOMIE G POPTART". It may be totally unrelated but the Poptart stood out to me. Here is the myspace I pulled it from:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608

I linked there from this myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82372581

[DeltaDawn]

I was searching MySpace last night for people from Weleetka. I got to the following myspace from a girl stating she was from Weleetka. Anyway, as I was scrolling down reading comments, I saw this one from "Lizzie": "I love you more HOMIE G POPTART". It may be totally unrelated but the Poptart stood out to me. Here is the myspace I pulled it from:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608

I linked there from this myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82372581


Those were some disturbing looking sites for teen girls to have. The pictures, the drugs, etc..I'd say that area does have a drug problem.

[TeeOne]

Those were some disturbing looking sites for teen girls to have. The pictures, the drugs, etc..I'd say that area does have a drug problem.

My son lives in Muskogee and I was talking to him about the drug problem in OK. He said it is HUGE. And he moved there from a big city.

[gaia227]

I was searching MySpace last night for people from Weleetka. I got to the following myspace from a girl stating she was from Weleetka. Anyway, as I was scrolling down reading comments, I saw this one from "Lizzie": "I love you more HOMIE G POPTART". It may be totally unrelated but the Poptart stood out to me. Here is the myspace I pulled it from:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608

I linked there from this myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82372581


What a delightful young woman......
did anyone notice the "song" playing on her site is called "Murder" by KidCrusher?

[Claudia]

What a delightful young woman......
did anyone notice the "song" playing on her site is called "Murder" by KidCrusher?


Does anyone know what exactly a "Juggalette" is?

That was one happy, sunshiney place to visit, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

[SailorMoon]

Interesting..the one myspace site was ICP themed (Insane Clown Possee) a group/band. I listen or listened to them alot...relatively harmless - my kids have too, (but then again, I'm over 40 and not that influential). Don't get me wrong, they like their weed and cussing..but...not worse than most rap they play these days.

[TeeOne]

Does anyone know what exactly a "Juggalette" is?

That was one happy, sunshiney place to visit, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

Thank God my child rearing days are over......:eek:

[SailorMoon]

Unfortunately, I got this one!! Its what the fans are called of the group Insane Clown Possee. Juggalos are boys and juggalettes are girls. Not that harmful...trust me.

Does anyone know what exactly a "Juggalette" is?

That was one happy, sunshiney place to visit, wasn't it? :rolleyes:

[SailorMoon]

I feel like I need to justify my ICP knowledge!! ;) Yes, they do have songs that talk of killing people, but I've always taken it as more of a theatric thing. I'm very suprised that someone that young has a) even heard of them (although it looks like she heard of them through her family) and b) even likes them.

They aren't that widely known and I'm always shocked when I see a "hatchet man" sticker or any ICP gear on anyone. Okay.....carry on.

Needless to say...their music doesn't fit in with my now Christian lifestyle...so I can't say that I even have their cd.

(((No guilty conscience here at all!!))))

[Claudia]

Thank God my child rearing days are over......:eek:


That's right - rub it in. :crazy:

[SailorMoon]

Good one Claudia. Yeah, TeeOne, you rub it in!!

[TeeOne]

And, I won't be raising any of my grandkids (knock on wood).

[Claudia]

And, I won't be raising any of my grandkids (knock on wood).


...and we all know how common that is nowadays. Sad.

[PGW]

Interesting..the one myspace site was ICP themed (Insane Clown Possee) a group/band. I listen or listened to them alot...relatively harmless - my kids have too, (but then again, I'm over 40 and not that influential). Don't get me wrong, they like their weed and cussing..but...not worse than most rap they play these days.

Which kind of takes me back to the jolt several of us received from the clown photos posted in both guests books for the sweet girls who are no longer with us. I'm not saying whoever posted the clown photos was an ICP fan,
but just the fact it was a clown photo gave me chills, and bothered others. So could mean, right on track with the local young person scenerio shooter.

I'm also not saying that the Insane Clown Possee (and I have a couple of their early songs because of my niece) fans on the myspaces you're talking about are THE people connected to the shooting, but I am saying that the shooter if he's local and I believe he is, could be a fan of ICP because it's what the local kids in that area are interested in - etc.

I have that stupid dating game song or whatever by the clown possee.
They've been around awhile now. My niece has been out of high school for some years now. She's in her 20's.

[PGW]

Also, Claycat, were you able to make the changes I suggested on the sketch you did? Where are you today? I want to see what happens when we combine what both of us saw.

[SailorMoon]

Good point PGW - the clowns on the funeral books were weird, I'll give you that. I would have never made that connection...but now that you mention it....."we're down with the clowns" and a lot of their other sayings are coming back in my memory. Hmmm. Oh, this one I was digging for (don't ask what song) but "wicked clowns, wicked clowns, don't F with us..."

I mean they couldn't very well leave an ICP clown in the guestbook, but had to flip it around a bit. Now I'm getting the heebie jeebies.

Maybe their "calling card" so to speak.

And why the picture of Jessica Placker in the guestbook??? ((As I said, I'm getting creeped out))

[TeeOne]

Good point PGW - the clowns on the funeral books were weird, I'll give you that. I would have never made that connection...but now that you mention it....."we're down with the clowns" and a lot of their other sayings are coming back in my memory. Hmmm. Oh, this one I was digging for (don't ask what song) but "wicked clowns, wicked clowns, don't F with us..."

I mean they couldn't very well leave an ICP clown in the guestbook, but had to flip it around a bit. Now I'm getting the heebie jeebies.

Maybe their "calling card" so to speak.

And why the picture of Jessica Placker in the guestbook??? ((As I said, I'm getting creeped out))

I just visited ICP website. I'm not even afraid of clowns, but they scare me.

[lisay]

I went to a training on gangs a few months ago. They referred to Juggalos as a gang related to the ICP. I'm sure there are lots of ICP fans that are not in a gang though.

[SailorMoon]

I'm not!! But seriously..that's an interesting point. I'm always telling my kids (who are bored, blah blah..who have a laptop, satellite tv, car, etc) That where I grew up...small town on a river in the midwest..there was freaking nothing to do. Nothing. We had 3 channels. Not even a stop light in our town. Who knows what kids find to do for entertainment nowadays.

I went to a training on gangs a few months ago. They referred to Juggalos as a gang related to the ICP. I'm sure there are lots of ICP fans that are not in a gang though.

[Tom'sGirl]

Good point PGW - the clowns on the funeral books were weird, I'll give you that. I would have never made that connection...but now that you mention it....."we're down with the clowns" and a lot of their other sayings are coming back in my memory. Hmmm. Oh, this one I was digging for (don't ask what song) but "wicked clowns, wicked clowns, don't F with us..."

I mean they couldn't very well leave an ICP clown in the guestbook, but had to flip it around a bit. Now I'm getting the heebie jeebies.

Maybe their "calling card" so to speak.

And why the picture of Jessica Placker in the guestbook??? ((As I said, I'm getting creeped out))
Which Guestbook are you speaking of, I haven't read them as of yet!

Sorry, never mind, I found it!

[Busylady]

The clowns in the guest book don't bother me, nor does the picture of Jessica Placker. To me the person who put the clowns might be a professional that does it for birthday parties etc and was just trying to be cheerful. Most people do associate clowns with a happy time not some evil thing. Remember the purpose of the guestbook is for the family of the loved ones to read and see all the people that have been touched by their loved one. Maybe when Vickie goes through the book, seeing a picture of Jessica will bring comfort to her, I do no see what is creepy about her putting the picture there.

[Claycat]

I was searching MySpace last night for people from Weleetka. I got to the following myspace from a girl stating she was from Weleetka. Anyway, as I was scrolling down reading comments, I saw this one from "Lizzie": "I love you more HOMIE G POPTART". It may be totally unrelated but the Poptart stood out to me. Here is the myspace I pulled it from:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608

I linked there from this myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82372581

Whoa, Lisay, you really caught my attention with this one. "Homie G. Poptart!" Do you think Lizzie was saying Homie Girl Poptart? Do you think these kids call each other Poptarts? It would make a lot of sense. This is getting stranger and stranger.

PGW, I haven't drawn anything yet. I slept really late this morning. I have years of sleep deprivation to make up for. Sorry!

Hi, all you lovely people!

[TeeOne]

Claycat, For your info and becuz I know your curious, on the main thread here they just posted a video and pictures of the bridge....

[Beyond Belief]

The bridge in nothing but a road built over the river with concrete sides about 4 ft high. It was clear in Greta's tour of the crime scene. The LE guy was standing on it during the interview.

[PGW]

No problem, Claycat! I totally understand! Glad you posted the ones you did. It's okay if you don't revise them.

Interesting bridge photos. I wonder if there was a bridge in three mile away area where the boys were?

[winteryns]

Did anybody else get creeped out by the clown photos posted in both of the girls guest books? Probably some well-meaning person put it there, but something about it just
gave me an awful gut-feeling about it. I don't know why. I kept thinking about the girls and looking at the photo of that clown and the word smile and it just gave me chills.

Claycat, did I offend you by asking if you'd slightly redo the drawing? I am not much of an artist and you did a good job. I just wanted to see if you could do a second one, for a comparison.
I didn't see the clowns. Do you have the link? Do you know what page is was on?

[PGW]

Winteryns, I saw it in the photo gallery section of the guest book - in both books but different clown photos in both, same clown person, though. It was like second page of the photo gallery at the time. I'm not blaming the person who posted them, just saying the association to clowns with these girls' murder gave me chills.

[winteryns]

Winteryns, I saw it in the photo gallery section of the guest book - in both books but different clown photos in both, same clown person, though. It was like second page of the photo gallery at the time. I'm not blaming the person who posted them, just saying the association to clowns with these girls' murder gave me chills.

Thanks. I didn't realize that they had photo albums. Freaky pictures to post. I'm not a big clown fan and my hubby is scared of them.

[Lyn1001]

The area I grew up in was pretty familiar with ICP. I actually don't know too many people outside of MI that are ICP fans! Some of their fans are a bit off, but some are completely normal. I had a friend who partied with them after a concert and said they are actually really cool people, although they are partiers!

[SailorMoon]

I was talking to my kids last night about the ICP and she said that last year when they went to Illinois to visit they asked their cousin what kind of music they listened to and she said ICP. My kids got a kick out of it because it's like 3 or 4 years ago that we were into it...kind of like their cousin's area was behind the times so to speak.

[Lyn1001]

According to my husband, ICP was formed in '88, and he was really into them about 14/15 years ago!

[SewingDeb]

Winteryns, I saw it in the photo gallery section of the guest book - in both books but different clown photos in both, same clown person, though. It was like second page of the photo gallery at the time. I'm not blaming the person who posted them, just saying the association to clowns with these girls' murder gave me chills.

Is that in the photo album link on the guest book? If so, I didn't see in on Taylor's album. There were only two pictures posted, a lit candle and an angel. Am I looking in the wrong place?

[Lyn1001]

I was able to find it under the photo link in Taylor's book. I'm not sure where you are looking, but there are 6 pictures. The second one is the clown.

[SailorMoon]

It's to the right in the guest book under view photos I think.

[Claycat]

Lyn1001, that's pretty interesting about ICP. I hadn't heard of them before, and I am a pretty big music fan of many different genres.

[barbanneb]

I also had a dream about this case. In the dream they knew this person and that they got into his car. In the dream I had it was a convertible with the top down. I saw a dark color and brown. The brown may be the interior color of this car. One girl (Taylor)got in the front seat and one in the back.

A gun was raised by the driver shooting the one in the front seat in the head area.(This was unexpected) The gun had a round barrel like a revolver and was black with something on the end of it. My guess is a silencer even though it looked tapered and shorter than the silencers I see for sale. It could been made by the shooter.
The man driving the car and responsible was about 50 years old and white.
I did not see a second shooter.

The place was on a E/W road facing westbound stopped at railroad tracks. My perspective was from behind them.(The a few miles north of where they lived???)

I woke up and did not see what happened after the first shot.

This dream was on 6-11-08

The only other detail was this was an antique type 1930's convertible. I can't imagine anyone using their prize car for this crime, so I think this in some way identifies the offender in some way.

Thanks for having an open mind, and allowing this information to be posted here.

[oceanblueeyes]

The clowns in the guest book don't bother me, nor does the picture of Jessica Placker. To me the person who put the clowns might be a professional that does it for birthday parties etc and was just trying to be cheerful. Most people do associate clowns with a happy time not some evil thing. Remember the purpose of the guestbook is for the family of the loved ones to read and see all the people that have been touched by their loved one. Maybe when Vickie goes through the book, seeing a picture of Jessica will bring comfort to her, I do no see what is creepy about her putting the picture there.

I don't see it either. I thought it most likely was a clown used for a birthday party. Clowns have always represented a happy time to me. I find nothing at all scary about them. I cant count the many birthday parties I have attended over the years that has the Clown or Clowns there and the children love it.

I just thought it was a photo of a happy memorable time.

LOL I didn't even know some people are scared of clowns or think they are evil. I have never seen an evil clown......I have seen some hilarious ones though.

imoo

[winteryns]

I don't see it either. I thought it most likely was a clown used for a birthday party. Clowns have always represented a happy time to me. I find nothing at all scary about them. I cant count the many birthday parties I have attended over the years that has the Clown or Clowns there and the children love it.

I just thought it was a photo of a happy memorable time.

LOL I didn't even know some people are scared of clowns or think they are evil. I have never seen an evil clown......I have seen some hilarious ones though.

imoo

I never thought of clowns scary until my hubby started pointing things out to me. He doesn't scare easy but they spoke the crap out of him..lol..I think it's kinda funny because he is such a big brute of a guy. I look at clowns a bit different now.

ETA..the John Gacy thing didn't help either. Also..remember the movie IT?

[ArizonaGiGi]

I find the photos of the clown creepy, but I hate clowns. The monkey thing eating the hot dog is even weirder.
Hopefully the clown in the photo is a happy memory for Taylor and Skyla and that's why it's there. (?)

Hey, someone on here bought a little garden turtle that had two angels sitting on it's back. That would be a nice picture in the guest book. Anyone remember who bought it?

[Claycat]

Gigi, I think she said she was going to post a photo of the turtle with the angels. There have been so many posts, I can't remember who did it!

[Claycat]

Barbanneb, thanks for posting your dream. It seemed so surreal!

[KR2tonenow]

I was searching MySpace last night for people from Weleetka. I got to the following myspace from a girl stating she was from Weleetka. Anyway, as I was scrolling down reading comments, I saw this one from "Lizzie": "I love you more HOMIE G POPTART". It may be totally unrelated but the Poptart stood out to me. Here is the myspace I pulled it from:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=205106608

I linked there from this myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=82372581

Is this the 18 year old that called in the prank to OSBI, or possibly a friend of this girl. I liked to know the definition of Homie G Poptart.

[Claycat]

Is this the 18 year old that called in the prank to OSBI, or possibly a friend of this girl. I liked to know the definition of Homie G Poptart.

It may mean homie girl poptart, KR. That 2nd girl is 17 and lives in Weleetka. I have been looking for the girl from Henryetta, Brittany Stanton, on my space, but I have had no luck yet!

[KR2tonenow]

It may mean homie girl poptart, KR. That 2nd girl is 17 and lives in Weleetka. I have been looking for the girl from Henryetta, Brittany Stanton, on my space, but I have had no luck yet!

I think these kids all know eachother.

What do think about the school having a connection: kids being involved or know about this crime?

Were you able to get any Myspace with Brian?

[DeltaDawn]

After looking on the web for quite awhile for the pop tart thing..that seems to be a reference to this age group of girls.. for whatever reason.

[Littledeer]

This is totally off the wall, but Pop Tarts is also used on the Fox News site.

[Claycat]

The poptart think seems to be key.

KR, I didn't check for any brians. Doh!

[Annie]

I had a dream about this a couple of nights ago. I usually don't dream about the cases I follow, but I did this one. In my dream the girls were talking to two boys they knew and suddenly three others started shooting at them from something higher up like the bed of a truck. I woke myself up but I couldn't get it off my mind for a while. The dream didn't last long, and I have had several theories about the case, but this wasn't one of them. I hope they solve this soon and I hope I don't dream about it again. It feels too real.

[SeriouslySearching]

The term "poptart" has been used many times in reference to Brittney Spears et al. It comes from the media, imo.

[Claycat]

I had a dream about this a couple of nights ago. I usually don't dream about the cases I follow, but I did this one. In my dream the girls were talking to two boys they knew and suddenly three others started shooting at them from something higher up like the bed of a truck. I woke myself up but I couldn't get it off my mind for a while. The dream didn't last long, and I have had several theories about the case, but this wasn't one of them. I hope they solve this soon and I hope I don't dream about it again. It feels too real.

Whoa, Annie! This reminds me of the truck full of boys with guns that they supposedly questioned and cleared. You may be onto something!


SS, it's interesting the things we find out when we start looking. I wouldn't have known poptarts meant anything but breakfast treats until I picked up on that. It's amazing what we learn! It's the context that is unfortunate...

[PGW]

I went searching online last night and discovered there is a lady clown who does this as a ministry for Christ. She also does prophesy. She performed at several places in Weleetka including the library there, in 2007 and 2006. She is called ribbons the clown and has a website as such.

Then I did a search on ICP and found some older sites from last year where a girl and several others in Weleetka were wanting to have an Insane Clown Possee meetup in their area. The closest meet-up at the time was in OKC, I think. Anyway, there's photos of the people and where they are from and a couple of the guys look kind of old to be doing ICP meetups. One looked rather scary. The younger ones with all the gesturing and makeup etc. didn't bother me, but one of them on there wasn't painted up and looked to me like the kind you'd warn your children not to meet with at a meet-up of any kind.

So back on the chill I got from looking at the clown photos in the guestbook, not because of the photos but because of the association, is it possible the girl who failed the lie detector test had actually tried to have an ICP meetup and realized when the guy he arrived that he was just too scary? Maybe that's how she knew him but didn't know him, etc. Didn't you say Claycat that she was from Henryetta? There was a girl from Henryetta in the want an ICP meetup page that I found. There was Weleetka, Henryetta, Norman, and I forgot where else.

[PGW]

One more thing, last night an impression regarding this case, involving a long wooden cane. Not cane just cut from the woods, but a walking cane sort of.

[Claycat]

Wow, good research, PGW! Do you have a link to the photo of the group with the scary guy?

That's interesting about the cane. Maybe someone involved needs a cane? Maybe one of the perps hurts his leg?

[PGW]

Thanks, Claycat! You help keep me motivated. Re: the cane - no, did not see it used as a crutch. It was in a horizontal position, not straight up and down.

The links:

Here's one, for OKC area, but there are people from other areas as well. However, this does not have the Henryetta girl. I'm retracing my steps from last night to see if I can find it. But here's one of the ICP links where they want to meet up in OKC area - quite interesting. There's a NA in there quite proud of being NA and ICP. But kind of weird to me that people would list themselves as rapists and axe-murders. I can see where someone who is a bit off might think this is for real or feels like really acting out what the others are playing. Strong words in here. I'm rather appalled, and honestly, I have an open mind.

http://icp.meetup.com/cities/us/ok/oklahoma_city/

[PGW]

There's a Brian on there, Claycat. Two different times. I thought of your impression of Brian.

[SeriouslySearching]

One more thing, last night an impression regarding this case, involving a long wooden cane. Not cane just cut from the woods, but a walking cane sort of.People use those when hiking, don't they? I know my ex made one for that purpose.

[PGW]

Here's where I searched for ICP fans near Weleetka:

http://psychopathicrecords.meetup.com/cities/us/ok/weleetka/

there were none in Weleetka, but some fans are in vicinity. This is not the site where I saw the Henryetta girl. I'm still tracking back.

Here's where I clicked on the Henryetta link and there's 32 ICP juggolos and ettes in that vacinity all wanting to start a meetup:

http://psychopathicrecords.meetup.com/cities/us/ok/henryetta/

this is still not the place where I saw the one Henryetta fan who was female. I'll keep looking. However, still interesting.

[PGW]

People use those when hiking, don't they? I know my ex made one for that purpose.

You're right. I never thought of that! My flash impression of it was it was in the hands of a male and it was up about chest high and held by two hands straight out across, not up and down like as an aid for walking. It was more or less as a weapon, I would think, in that aspect.

[PGW]

http://www.ribbonstheclown.com/news.html

Ribbons the Clown ministry and halfway down page is clipping of Weleetka fest where she performed in 2006.

[Claycat]

There was a link earlier to a girl called Juggalette on my space..

[bluestarzz]

PGW or anyone? on her /his link?
did you see Darek A.L. post?
it says indian res in MT, but a guthrie ok location?
interesting....
bluestarzz

[SailorMoon]

Thanks PGW for confirming that I'm not obsessed and crazy. I found Ribbons a few days ago but didn't post it because I thought I was really obsessing about it too much. I thought she looked like the clown in the photo and that explained the photos in the guestbook a little more to me. I just hope they find the killer.

I just think if it was a group of boys, that someone would break or be giving off signs that something was up. I know I sure would be. I couldn't keep that a secret.

http://www.ribbonstheclown.com/news.html

Ribbons the Clown ministry and halfway down page is clipping of Weleetka fest where she performed in 2006.

[Littledeer]

Have to say that you guys are doing great!! I was leary about having this thread, but not now.

Have you been able to interpret all of your intuitions as one yet? Does that even happen? Maybe, there's something in your collective interpretations that would come out as over 90% of a fact when collectivey put together?

If I am not making sense, Sorry!!! It's not that I don't believe in intutions, I do, (Listen to my gut instincts all the time), but this is not what you have.

You have dreams, senses, etc.

:blowkiss: Here's hoping that we find this SOB and/or SOB'S soon!!


s n

[Claycat]

Thanks, Littledeer! Sometimes we never figure out all the puzzle pieces. Sometimes they make sense later. Many times the people who are involved are the only ones who could make sense of the images or feelings or words.

(For instance, I was picking up some things about a friend of mine. One of the things I saw was a lion statue, like you would see at the gates or steps of a mansion. Not long after that, she went home for Christmas across the country. She called me, shocked, because her mother had given her step-father a lion statue for Christmas. LOL!)

[PGW]

PGW or anyone? on her /his link?
did you see Darek A.L. post?
it says indian res in MT, but a guthrie ok location?
interesting....
bluestarzz

I did notice that, bluestarzz! It did stand out! I'm familiar with Guthrie area, too. So that's what I noticed first, was the Guthrie name because I remembered visiting there a number of times in the past. Then when I read the rest of the post I thought hmmmmm.

[Claycat]

I looked for that, bluestarzz, and I couldn't find it.


On Monday, I got an image of the same guys I drew sketches of.

6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them in an old house or shack. One (the redhead) is sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. They may not have used rifles for the crime, but this is how they picture themselves.

If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone wild, and that is totally possible. Sometimes it's hard to separate what comes through you from what comes from you.

[bluestarzz]

claycat,
it is not there, his site as her friend? omg..does he read us? very strange.....
it was there under that name...the day i posted it.
bluestarzz

[GetSmart]

http://outthecometsass.blogspot.com/2008/06/two-girls-murdered-in-oklahoma.html
I found this to be really interesting...good read

Murder of Two Girls in Weleetka, Oklahoma
Sunday, June 8, 2008 Weleetka, OK
time found: around 5:30 pm in a ditch on a dirt road
Left 20-25 minutes earlier: walking on an isolated dirt path to a bridge where people meet, deal drugs, play, etc.

Sun 19 Gemini (H8); Moon 28 Leo (H10); ASC (5:10 pm) 7 Scorpio (so. DESC 7 Taurus); NN 21 Aquarius (H4)

Scorpio Rising will rule Murder, Revenge, Paranoia, Debt & Money Owed.

This is multiplied ten fold by Scorpio's House. The 8th House is loaded with the conjunction of Sun, Venus & MercuryRX in Gemini. The Sun-Venus conjunction is to the degree. Venus rules girls. It also rules the Descendant which could describe the victims. Gemini rules Twins so it's interesting that two girls were murdered. This could also indicate more than one murderer.

Furthermore, Gemini is on the cusp of the 8th House. This could indicate multiple motives for murder, murder due to bad words and miscommunications, or also a random murder and mistaken identity. Ruler of the 8th House is very powerful but also Retrograde. Retrogrades are sometimes said to bring people from the past back into one's life. This coupled with presence in the house of revenge seems to be saying something about that theme.

The Chart Ruler, which I suppose would describe the murderer is Pluto. Pluto is at 1 Capricorn and has just passed into the 2d House of Money & Values.

Capricorn rules parents. There's another indicator that parents, perhaps a Father, is somehow involved in that there is a conjunction of Moon in Leo to Saturn in Virgo. Saturn is squaring the 8th House cusp. This could just describe the scene which happened very close to the Grandfather's house. He is the one who found them.

In addition to the Scorpio/Pluto problems in this chart, Mars is conjunct the South Node and conjunct the Midheaven. Mars is violent and rules guns. The girls were shot in the face (Mars), a sign of extreme anger and hatred. The Moon had just passed over Mars which can create very volatile emotions.


More at link

[Claycat]

claycat,
it is not there, his site as her friend? omg..does he read us? very strange.....
it was there under that name...the day i posted it.
bluestarzz

That was strange for it to have disappeared!

[Claycat]

GetSmart, thanks for the chart! That is bizarre!

[gracefuljf1505]

im not sure why yet but the words moan, nana, bias, sol and loss are standing out to me.....hmmm.....maybe i will look at this case a little more

I have to be honest, no disrespect....I have problems with the psychic stuff....but, as an investigator, no stone unturned and my ear is always 'open'.

I did however, search a few words you posted to see if the letter combos would come up with something...
moinahan
mahonia
amnion, honan, nomina
amah, amain, amino, amnia, anima, anion, mania, manna, ohia
aah, aha, amia, amin, anna, anoa, anon, ham, hao, him, hin, hon, main, mana, mano, mho, mina, moan, nah, nana, naoi, noh, noma, nona, ohm

ah, aim, ain, ama, ami, ana, ani, ha, hi, hm, ho, inn, ion, man, moa, mon, nam, nim, nom, oh

aa, ai, am, an, in, ma, mi, mo, na, no, om, on

70 words found.





sabian
basin, nabis, sabin

abas, baas, bani, bans, bias, bins, isba, nabs, nibs, snib

aba, ains, anas, anis, ansa, baa, ban, bas, bin, bis, nab, nib, sab, sain, sib

aas, ain, ais, ana, ani, ba, bi, ins, sin

aa, ai, an, as, in, is, na, si

45 words found.

lasso
lasso
also, lass, loss, ossa, sals, sola, sols
als, ass, las, sal, sol, sos
al, as, la, lo, os, so

20 words found.

[Mohabi]

im not sure why yet but the words moan, nana, bias, sol and loss are standing out to me.....hmmm.....maybe i will look at this case a little more

Interestingly, Sabian and Lasso are pets of mine. Sabian is a cat, still alive. Lasso was my dog, died September 2007. No connection of course, just a coincidence that both names would come up in the list.

[Claycat]

Interestingly, Sabian and Lasso are pets of mine. Sabian is a cat, still alive. Lasso was my dog, died September 2007. No connection of course, just a coincidence that both names would come up in the list.

Hi Mohabi! Sabian and Lasso were words I picked up in my first post on this thread.

That is a very strange coincidence, or maybe more of a synchronicity! Read my post carefully and see if anything makes sense to you or if you pick up anything. Maybe the synchronicity is a heads-up for you!

[Littledeer]

Okay, I'll bite. What is synchronicity?

Is that a correlation in words? Synch means be in attuned..........right?

[Claycat]

Hi Littledeer!

A synchronicity is a coincidence that has meaning to your life. I believe it is a divine confirmation that you are on the right path. I sometimes refer to synchronicities as signposts.

It was a term invented by Carl Jung. You can google the term. Wikipedia has some good information about it.

[Mysterylover]

I'm posting all the intuitive clues I have gotten about this case so far. Some may just be symbolic, some may be wrong. However, they are all impressions I have picked up.


6-14-2008
The first thing I picked up was the golden arches. (It turned out that members of both families have worked there.)


6-15-2008
I saw the angel that came down to get them. She was very tall and beautiful. She swooped down and wrapped her arms and her wings around them in a gesture of extreme protection (like a swan protecting her young) and took them home.


These are other puzzle pieces.


6-16-2008
I was trying to meditate on this case, and I kept drifting in and out of sleep. I saw the girls standing in a doorway. They were making a face at me, just in fun. They put there heads together, pulled up the outside corner of their mouths and stuck out their tongues. It was as if they were trying to make a face as one face rather than two.

I then got these fragments.

Vehicle idling - I can smell the fumes.
"Just pay, pay for me!" (It was like I heard these words.)
Pop Tarts


Later I tried again.


6-17-2008
It was hard for me to concentrate. I got the words moinahan and sabian. These didn't make any sense to me in the context of the crime


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg....................

ClayCat...when I read your impression of the "girls making a face" I instantly, strangely thought of a CLOWN....

Did anyone get the same impression?.........jmo

[Mysterylover]

Good point PGW - the clowns on the funeral books were weird, I'll give you that. I would have never made that connection...but now that you mention it....."we're down with the clowns" and a lot of their other sayings are coming back in my memory. Hmmm. Oh, this one I was digging for (don't ask what song) but "wicked clowns, wicked clowns, don't F with us..."

I mean they couldn't very well leave an ICP clown in the guestbook, but had to flip it around a bit. Now I'm getting the heebie jeebies.

Maybe their "calling card" so to speak.

And why the picture of Jessica Placker in the guestbook??? ((As I said, I'm getting creeped out))

I couldn't find any pictures of Taylor / with her friends/ in the guestbook?...imo

[Claycat]

I had not thought of that, Mysterylover!

[Mysterylover]

I also had a dream about this case. In the dream they knew this person and that they got into his car. In the dream I had it was a convertible with the top down. I saw a dark color and brown. The brown may be the interior color of this car. One girl (Taylor)got in the front seat and one in the back.

A gun was raised by the driver shooting the one in the front seat in the head area.(This was unexpected) The gun had a round barrel like a revolver and was black with something on the end of it. My guess is a silencer even though it looked tapered and shorter than the silencers I see for sale. It could been made by the shooter.
The man driving the car and responsible was about 50 years old and white.
I did not see a second shooter.

The place was on a E/W road facing westbound stopped at railroad tracks. My perspective was from behind them.(The a few miles north of where they lived???)

I woke up and did not see what happened after the first shot.

This dream was on 6-11-08

The only other detail was this was an antique type 1930's convertible. I can't imagine anyone using their prize car for this crime, so I think this in some way identifies the offender in some way.

Thanks for having an open mind, and allowing this information to be posted here.

a thought about the dreams:
A 1930's convertible car would possibly be in someone's garage, old barn or a warehouse...
the man that owns the car may use a wooden cane....maybe the white truck is stored there also.....imo

[Mysterylover]

[QUOTE=Claycat;2320590]I'm posting all the intuitive clues I have gotten about this case so far. Some may just be symbolic, some may be wrong. However, they are all impressions I have picked up.

6-14-2008
The first thing I picked up was the golden arches. (It turned out that members of both families have worked there.)

These are other puzzle pieces.

Later I tried again.

6-17-2008
It was hard for me to concentrate. I got the words Moinahan and Sabian.

These didn't make any sense to me in the context of the crime.

As my concentration increased, I got the word lasso.

I asked the girls to help me, and I saw the faces of two young men.

I asked for names. I got Brian and Lazarus. (It was strange that there turned out to be someone named Lazarus in the area for awhile. However, the name can also be symbolic. It could be someone who died and was revived.)


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/casscat/phpevhi72PM.jpg.......snipped for space..Quote

Just a thought, Doesn't Montana have a Sen. by the name Moinahan?

Could this be a far-out clue to the killer or the truck being from Montana, possibly a Montana connection some way to these murders ???....jmo

[Ruflossn]

Hi Ya'll~
I was reviewing things at the Topix forum and I ran across this post:



Psychic offers lead
United States
#1
Tuesday Jun 10

"Look for a young Mexican man, name of Ernesto, last name similar to Montoya. Wearing white tee shirt, jeans. Slight build, faint mustache. Motive: used girls for target practice".



I have no idea if it is legit. but, I did think it was interesting that the name "Montoya" is mentioned and on June 17th Claycat got the word Moinahan. It is a strange coincidence that both picked up similar names.

So sad that this case is not in the news and is still open. I hope it does not get thrown into the "cold case" category.

[Claycat]

You both have some really interesting ideas! I need to learn to put the puzzle pieces together.

[barbanneb]

a thought about the dreams:
A 1930's convertible car would possibly be in someone's garage, old barn or a warehouse...
the man that owns the car may use a wooden cane....maybe the white truck is stored there also.....imo


I just wanted to add that the type of gun is also an antique. I really thought that there was something on the end of the gun, but learned that the front sights are large on some antique handguns/revolvers would have that tapered look to them. This is a picture of what I believe I saw (in the dream)
http://i31.tinypic.com/2v1pysl.jpg




Are they sure that was the place where the original shooting occurred, or could part of it have happened elsewhere?

[DeltaDawn]

I don't believe anything I read in Topix on this case. If you all are psychics..then by now you know that Roy, Buds and several on there are not for real..they are the ones I would be concerned about. Why are they so disruptive..what have they got to lose..and why do they write false info constantly.

I am not doubting you as psychics..I have a friend I have known since childhood who is ...but if you are on Topix and looking for info there..then your psychic sense has gone haywire..those people are frauds..even an intuitive knows that.

[Ruflossn]

I don't believe anything I read in Topix on this case. If you all are psychics..then by now you know that Roy, Buds and several on there are not for real..they are the ones I would be concerned about. Why are they so disruptive..what have they got to lose..and why do they write false info constantly.

]I am not doubting you as psychics I have a friend I have known since childhood who is ...but if you are on Topix and looking for info there..then your psychic sense has gone haywire..those people are frauds..even an intuitive knows that.


Delta Dawn~
I am not a psychic or intuitive.
I have never claimed to be either.

[Claycat]

Delta Dawn, the people whose input I was very interested in on topix were Columbo and Sam. I was told, by someone outside of topix, that Columbo might be a legitimate source of information.

I am intuitive, but I'm not always accurate. It's hard to tell, sometimes, if information is coming from me or through me.

:)

[DeltaDawn]

I really don't give Columbo or Sam much credence there either. I know they have hinted they are in, or were in, some type of le or profiling..but their posts just don't ring true to me.

There are a couple of posters there that seem to be local and very sincere..I hope they can get on our board here and help out.

[Tom'sGirl]

I really don't give Columbo or Sam much credence there either. I know they have hinted they are in, or were in, some type of le or profiling..but their posts just don't ring true to me.

There are a couple of posters there that seem to be local and very sincere..I hope they can get on our board here and help out.
Sam the Super Cop is nothing more than self proclaimed investigator, follows cases online and posts like he did years ago at Webbslueths (not to be confused with this site)..............nothing more.

I can be a reserve deputy, doesn't mean I'm an Ex-Lawman :)

[Claycat]

That leaves Columbo.

[oceanblueeyes]

That leaves Columbo.

I find Columbo much more logical and reasonable.

I am so glad that Roy has gone but I am sure he can't stay away and will return. I was so tired of reading his filthy words and the demeaning way he talked to so many. I can't believe some were even trying to flirt with him. lol

Oh my that was a hoot.

imoo

[Claycat]

I was meditating again today, and I asked the question of where the killer/killers might be. A skunk that had been shot, or injured somehow, came up to me in my mind's eye. It was trailing blood. It looked up at me. I know, cryptic as heck, but that's how it comes. Wounded Skunk? A place, a street?

[Claycat]

I was told there was a homestead called Skunk or Skunkstead in the Canadian River bottoms between 5-7 miles from the scene of the murders. It would be interesting to know if they had checked that place out.

[frogjustfrog]

[QUOTE=Claycat;2372970]I was meditating again today, and I asked the question of where the killer/killers might be. A skunk that had been shot, or injured somehow, came up to me in my mind's eye. It was trailing blood. It looked up at me. I know, cryptic as heck, but that's how it comes. Wounded Skunk? A place, a street?[/QUOTE
Hi Claycat.
I was watching on Topix, and I saw where it was described to you, an old homestead, later purchased by an oil company. I read the story and found it interesting.
My question is, has any of that information helped you any where this skunk feeling is concerned? I've been trying to check on things related to skunk, in that area, and came up with nothing. I have never heard of this story but find it very interesting due to me loving to know the history of the area I was raised near. I am assuming this 5-7 miles could mean it was closer to Dustin or maybe even Wetumka, OK

[Claycat]

Hi Frog, thanks for your thoughts about this. That was a really interesting story about that area, wasn't it! LE should check out of the way places like that, in case anyone is hiding there.

[Claycat]

Ruflossn, to answer your question from the other thread - I saw where Roy was talking about some weed smelling like skunk. Maybe that is significant, but that was not really what I was feeling. It was what I got when I was thinking about where the perps might be hiding. Of course, it could be near a pot growing area. Who knows? This is getting more confusing by the minute.

:confused:

[Ruflossn]

Hi Claycat,

It is confusing. There are so many unanswered questions. I hope that when the DNA results are returned from the lab, some if not all the questions will be answered.

[Claycat]

I sure hope something is answered. Tonight my husband was complaining that I was obsessed with this case. He is right!

[Claycat]

This isn't necessarily psychic, but I had a strange dream this morning before I awakened. I dreamed there was a woman searching desperately for the killers. She was dressed in long sleeves and had a floppy hat on. She was hacking her way through a densely vegetated area with a machete.

[Claycat]

Frances at Topix gave me this link. It speaks of a skunk berry that grows in Oklahoma and is used in a Kiowa gourd dance ceremony.

http://gourddancing.homestead.com/GourdDanceOrigins.html

[GetSmart]

This isn't necessarily psychic, but I had a strange dream this morning before I awakened. I dreamed there was a woman searching desperately for the killers. She was dressed in long sleeves and had a floppy hat on. She was hacking her way through a densely vegetated area with a machete.

I think that is symbolic of all of us here!!

[Claycat]

I think that is symbolic of all of us here!!

You are so right, GetSmart, we are all desperately seeking answers! We are having to hack through a jungle to do it. That is so perceptive of you!

This is why I need people, who are grounded, to help me figure out what I'm getting! Awesome! Thanks, GetSmart!

[fran]

Frances at Topix gave me this link. It speaks of a skunk berry that grows in Oklahoma and is used in a Kiowa gourd dance ceremony.

http://gourddancing.homestead.com/GourdDanceOrigins.html

LOL, FWIW, I googled 'skunk berry' and came to a cannibus site. ;)

I also think this paragraph in your linked article could be significant. Maybe? They were killed two weeks after Memorial Day?

fran



http://gourddancing.homestead.com/GourdDanceOrigins.html

.............snip.................
There was no formal organization then, as the Tia-pe-go had disbanded,but beginning in September of 1956, some of the descendents of the original members have formed new organizations, and today the century-old warrior dance is held at least annually for armed forces days and other special occasions. It is enjoyed not only by the Kiowa's, but also many other visiting tribes.

"It's just like prayer songs, it just makes you happy, and makes people feel good. When we sing these songs, we want to help people who may be mourning and want to come back, or may be sick, or have troubles. When we hear the drum and the song, they want to live-they want to go on to hear these good things among the homes and their children" (Isaac's 1975).

[frogjustfrog]

LOL, FWIW, I googled 'skunk berry' and came to a cannibus site. ;)

I also think this paragraph in your linked article could be significant. Maybe? They were killed two weeks after Memorial Day?

fran



http://gourddancing.homestead.com/GourdDanceOrigins.html

.............snip.................
There was no formal organization then, as the Tia-pe-go had disbanded,but beginning in September of 1956, some of the descendents of the original members have formed new organizations, and today the century-old warrior dance is held at least annually for armed forces days and other special occasions. It is enjoyed not only by the Kiowa's, but also many other visiting tribes.

"It's just like prayer songs, it just makes you happy, and makes people feel good. When we sing these songs, we want to help people who may be mourning and want to come back, or may be sick, or have troubles. When we hear the drum and the song, they want to live-they want to go on to hear these good things among the homes and their children" (Isaac's 1975).

I googled skunkberry and it took me back to marijuana

[GetSmart]

"When we sing these songs, we want to help people who may be mourning and want to come back"

CC What about your Lazarus statement?

[hannahsnana]

I don't use Google (can't stand it). I use Yahoo, and I typed in skunk berry. Two words.

[justathought]

I was told there was a homestead called Skunk or Skunkstead in the Canadian River bottoms between 5-7 miles from the scene of the murders. It would be interesting to know if they had checked that place out.

Okay, I'm dense, I tried googling...but how do I get to the story on
Topix about the homestead...etc. Thanks.

[Claycat]

"When we sing these songs, we want to help people who may be mourning and want to come back"

CC What about your Lazarus statement?

Wow! Lots of synchronicity!

[Claycat]

Okay, I'm dense, I tried googling...but how do I get to the story on
Topix about the homestead...etc. Thanks.

I'll find it for you.

Here it is. Roy's story starts with the first post.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p263

He adds to the info in later posts.

[justathought]

Put this on the wrong thread earlier. Thanks. I read it. Don't post much because there seem to be lots of "rules" and folks argue a lot. Had enough of that in real life. However, this case is no longer in the news at all it seems and it is so puzzling and sad.

[Claycat]

This was from the first page:

6-16-2008
I was trying to meditate on this case, and I kept drifting in and out of sleep. I saw the girls standing in a doorway. They were making a face at me, just in fun. They put there heads together, pulled up the outside corner of their mouths and stuck out their tongues. It was as if they were trying to make a face as one face rather than two.

Ruflossn pointed this next post out to me, or I probably wouldn't have noticed. This is from FlowerChild's post on 7-14-2008.

"He does know the Paschal-Placker and Whittaker Families, not best friends or anything, but he does know them. He has driven by the Placker home at least once a week in the past and he has seen Taylor and sometimes both girls running and playing around the Placker home. He says the girls were cute active cut-ups, sometimes pulling faces at people driving by if they knew the car or popping up and waving and making hand signals (all from the Placker Yard) - if he honked they'd stick out their tongues at him, then hide their faces and then grin and giggle at him. His words were, "Their smiles would melt anyone's heart, everyone around her loved those girls."

When I read this, I got goosebumps and began to cry.

[BhamMama]

Frances at Topix gave me this link. It speaks of a skunk berry that grows in Oklahoma and is used in a Kiowa gourd dance ceremony.

http://gourddancing.homestead.com/GourdDanceOrigins.html

That would be Ribes glandulosum aka white currant, sometimes called gooseberry. Not a weed, it's a bush, 1 to 6 feet tall. When the leaves are bruised or crushed they smell like skunk. Also known as skunk currant, the berries are tart and were used for fertility and healing by many tribes.

Plants grow well in marshy areas, riverbanks, meadows and roadsides.

You'd def know if anyone had disturbed a bush, they really, really stink. The smell lingers on clothing and hair.

[Claycat]

Thanks, BhamMama!

[PGW]

sorry, mistake

[Tom'sGirl]

TOM'S GIRL - I tried not to think about this case so that nothing is forced, and tonight, two different things came to me when I went in to read the news and saw the article on the latest OKC story about the girls. What I got has to do with you. Very specifically.
Tom's Girl knows it's him.

I have no idea what that means. Have you posted on here who you think it is? I don't know why I got that so strongly. But I did.

The next message is also for you, and I apologize because I realize you aren't into this kind of thing and that it is rude of me to bring you in, but this is what I got and I'm going with it.

Find Ruth.

Whatever that means, I do not know.

Again, I apologize. I don't know why it's directed at you, and I feel rather crazy for repeating it, but it was really quite strong.

I try not to do a lot of this anyway. But if I pick up something, it has meaning, a lot of times. It might not make sense to me, though, or even to you, but there must be a reason. The message was not that you were covering or hiding for anyone, but rather a confirmation that you are right. It seems rather important that you know this.

It seemed important enough that I risk looking stupid and crazy for posting it.
I have no idea what the heck you're speaking of, or where my nic here came up :crazy: Could you enlighten me?

[PGW]

never mind. I'm sorry.

Could you just erase your post with my message there, please?

sorry I came in here and did this. I should have thought about it before posting it.

[GetSmart]

I don't know anything about this kinda of thing but I will say this..when I read that about Ruth... This is the first thought that came in my head..so I wll post it because maybe it will help anyone that comes upon it..
When you do your searching / sleuthing / surfing...the name Ruth might come into play somewhere maybe in the article, maybe kin or maybe another victim of the killer.

know I feel goofy..LOL

[Claycat]

I just found out that the students at the Weleetka schools are known as the Outlaws. I didn't know that!

That's so weird, because of my post from June 30!

6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them. One (the redhead) sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone haywire.

I believe they didn't use rifles for this crime, but this is how they picture themselves.

[Tom'sGirl]

never mind. I'm sorry.

Could you just erase your post with my message there, please?

sorry I came in here and did this. I should have thought about it before posting it.
No problem, I think it all kinda funny myself :)

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't know anything about this kinda of thing but I will say this..when I read that about Ruth... This is the first thought that came in my head..so I wll post it because maybe it will help anyone that comes upon it..
When you do your searching / sleuthing / surfing...the name Ruth might come into play somewhere maybe in the article, maybe kin or maybe another victim of the killer.

know I feel goofy..LOL
I'm now interested in what the he!! you guys are talking about:confused:

[Tom'sGirl]

I just found out that the students at the Weleetka schools are known as the Outlaws. I didn't know that!

That's so weird, because of my post from June 30!

6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them. One (the redhead) sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone haywire.

I believe they didn't use rifles for this crime, but this is how they picture themselves.
I know, I just read you post over at TOPIX!

[Claycat]

Also, Columbo said something about checking all the outlaws, that you'd find at least one of them.

[GetSmart]

Wow CC that is is something. We just have to keep looking under rocks or anywhere that this killer will be

[PGW]

Okay, Tom's girl, the message I got yesterday, intuitively, was that "Tom's Girl knows it's him." Also a message to you, to, "Find Ruth."

It is what I got and I apologize again, but you did say you wanted to figure out what we're talking about, and that's it. Why the message came to me to tell you specifically to "find Ruth", I don't know. I've not been on this thread lately to read anything at all until yesterday when I came in to post. Why the message was "Tom's Girl knows it's him", again I do not know. Maybe because you're in this forum and because you look at facts. I just don't know. I don't know anything about you, and I don't know why the message would be directed to you.

I tried very hard to forget all of it and then very late last night or earlier this morning, when I was sleeping, I had the feeling suddenly that I was back in Oklahoma. This young slender man in his 20's, who might have Native America blood but did not match the composite photo and had stronger European features, handed me some Native American items that I did not understand what they were other than they are important. They were whittled pieces of wood, small, and my first thought was matchsticks, but then I realized they weren't small enough to be matchsticks. Each stick had a small Native American symbol on it. One symbol resembled what in music would be the "sharp" icon, in other words a rectangle box with an extended line coming out from two opposite corners from the rectangle.

During this time, a woman who had medium length hair, almost touching her shoulders, dark brown hair, I think, don't really remember color other than her hair was straight and then curled under around below her chin, young face, showed me something written by her son. It looked like quotes or lines of poetry, but most of it was quotes. She said they never knew who killed her son. He died when he was an older teen. They lived in the vicinity of where the girls lived, but felt like another town. I got the impression of the victim of being a tall young man, dark hair with some short curls on top of his head.
Kept a notebook of writings.

Then there was this very old bed, wooden headboard, dark wood, and somehow it related to the two girls. A very creepy white male in his 40's approached and indicated he was a neighbor from not too far away. There were other females there and everybody hurried out the door, to get away from him.

This doesn't match up with my premis this whole time about the shootings coming from the group with the guns in the vicinity.

But at the risk of being crazy two days in a row, and pulling along Get Smart with me, :),
this is what I got.

Claycat, just wanted to say you are doing an incredible job.

[hannahsnana]

PGW, there is a Ruth Oil Company with locations in Okemah and Henryetta.

[cloudajo]

I just found out that the students at the Weleetka schools are known as the Outlaws. I didn't know that!

That's so weird, because of my post from June 30!

6-30-2008

I think these guys fancy themselves as some kind of young guns, outlaws. I get an olde tyme image of them. One (the redhead) sitting next to a table with his ankle resting on his knee, a rifle across his lap. The other is standing, like Billy the Kid, with his rifle standing by his side. He has a Dick Cheney snarl on his face. They know they have gone past the point of no return and have become legends in their own minds. That image is so clear. If it is not an intuitive image, then my imagination has gone haywire.

I believe they didn't use rifles for this crime, but this is how they picture themselves.

CC, I saw that - very interesting. Here's a link to the Weleetka Outlaws football team (7-8th grade) for reference. This is the first place I looked when Outlaws were mentioned and thinking about teens.

http://www.weleetka.k12.ok.us/Athletics/Football/JH%20Football.htm (http://www.weleetka.k12.ok.us/Athletics/Football/JH%20Football.htm)

[Albert18]

You know a place that has old oil spilled on the ground and on stuff can develop an odd skunky smell.

[frogjustfrog]

Okay, Tom's girl, the message I got yesterday, intuitively, was that "Tom's Girl knows it's him." Also a message to you, to, "Find Ruth."

It is what I got and I apologize again, but you did say you wanted to figure out what we're talking about, and that's it. Why the message came to me to tell you specifically to "find Ruth", I don't know. I've not been on this thread lately to read anything at all until yesterday when I came in to post. Why the message was "Tom's Girl knows it's him", again I do not know. Maybe because you're in this forum and because you look at facts. I just don't know. I don't know anything about you, and I don't know why the message would be directed to you.

I tried very hard to forget all of it and then very late last night or earlier this morning, when I was sleeping, I had the feeling suddenly that I was back in Oklahoma. This young slender man in his 20's, who might have Native America blood but did not match the composite photo and had stronger European features, handed me some Native American items that I did not understand what they were other than they are important. They were whittled pieces of wood, small, and my first thought was matchsticks, but then I realized they weren't small enough to be matchsticks. Each stick had a small Native American symbol on it. One symbol resembled what in music would be the "sharp" icon, in other words a rectangle box with an extended line coming out from two opposite corners from the rectangle.

During this time, a woman who had medium length hair, almost touching her shoulders, dark brown hair, I think, don't really remember color other than her hair was straight and then curled under around below her chin, young face, showed me something written by her son. It looked like quotes or lines of poetry, but most of it was quotes. She said they never knew who killed her son. He died when he was an older teen. They lived in the vicinity of where the girls lived, but felt like another town. I got the impression of the victim of being a tall young man, dark hair with some short curls on top of his head.
Kept a notebook of writings.

Then there was this very old bed, wooden headboard, dark wood, and somehow it related to the two girls. A very creepy white male in his 40's approached and indicated he was a neighbor from not too far away. There were other females there and everybody hurried out the door, to get away from him.

This doesn't match up with my premis this whole time about the shootings coming from the group with the guns in the vicinity.

But at the risk of being crazy two days in a row, and pulling along Get Smart with me, :),
this is what I got.

Claycat, just wanted to say you are doing an incredible job.

As was mentioned before, there is an old hermit like man named Patterson, who, it has been previously said in other thread, that he has avoided jail or imprisonment due to the fact that he was found crazy... not mentally right. He lives in the woods almost due West to the Plackers, in a little house, the old homestead. It was once said that he could've walked thru the woods up to where the children were. That maybe he was sick of hearing them play and that it drove him nuts because his own children had been taken away from him years ago. That he could have been watching them for awhile since his property abuts up to Plackers, it seems.
There is a clearing on mapquest... for power lines, very near his house. this clearing goes up near the bridge.
I wonder if there was a Ruth in his life?

[Claycat]

You know a place that has old oil spilled on the ground and on stuff can develop an odd skunky smell.

Yeah! That Skunkstead place that Roy was talking about was evidently purchased by an oil company. It would be interesting if it were that Ruth oil company.

[Claycat]

Thanks, PGW! That was a fascinating dream/vision you had!

Frog, I guess they must have talked to him. I'm wondering if Patterson is the one who claimed to have killed them early on. They said it was someone with mental problems.

[frogjustfrog]

Thanks, PGW! That was a fascinating dream/vision you had!

Frog, I guess they must have talked to him. I'm wondering if Patterson is the one who claimed to have killed them early on. They said it was someone with mental problems.

I dont think it was cuz this Patterson man is much older, and his children were taken away from him when they were young. They are probably grown up by now.

[Claycat]

Remember, a ways back, we were talking about the clown faces in the guest books. PGW was especially interested in this. Everyone kind of thought they were creepy. Well, there is more.

Look at #8596 at this link! It talks about clown tattoos and that Zjalton Wood you all were just talking about. The person referred to PGW's talk in the psychic thread about the clown in the guest books and how creepy that was. Evidently this Wood has a clown tattoo. Anyway, it is a curious post.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/wele.../p381#lastPost (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p381#lastPost)

I remember noting that it was odd that one of the convict records I found had a clown tattoo. This is getting bizarre. I'm going to see if I can remember who else had a clown tattoo.


Here it is. I had posted this link to a Dillon Harris from Okfuskee County who had been in prison for assault with dangerous weapons. Look at the list of tattoos! Bingo! Clown face!

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/se...book_id=302018 (http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=512524&offender_book_id=302018)

[Claycat]

I think Buttons, the clown, just wanted to show sympathy and cheer at the same time. I may be wrong. Often there are guide posts along the way, which some refer to as synchronicity. (Synchronicity is a coincidence that is no coincidence. In fact, I don't know if I believe in coincidence. I believe things are intentional.) There was the synchronicity of Buttons posting her message and the fact that there is such a thing as the Insane Clown Posse, and the fact that there are many violent felons with clown tattoos. There was the synchronicity of me finding the name Dillon Harris with a clown tattoo and this guy Jlaton Wood with a clown tattoo. One of them is distantly connected to the Plackers through a female accomplice. The other is a violent ex-con from Okfuskee county. Then there is the fact that the name Dillon Harris is kind of an unusual compilation of Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, who took innocent young lives. I'm not suggesting Dillon Harris is one of the shooters. It's just strange that he has these two names, like two killers risen from the dead, like Lazarus. Then there is the gang connection. Gangs mentioned who picked up their bullet casings at the site of a murder. Bullet casings in a little pile on a lonely Weleetka road, where someone intended to pick them up. All synchronicities! All relevant?

[PGW]

Claycat, go up and read the last page just now of the #14 thread on the two girls discussion. Something on that page is triggering an intuitive response on my part. I'm getting, "back up, back up, back up," somebody yelling those words who is with the truck. It's like there were two people in the truck, but not one of the victims. Also getting that Skyla was shot first. I try not to do this because it's weird, and I know people think it's weird, and all of that. But this case, something about it, just calls to me. I'm getting that Taylor screamed out Skyla's name. Maybe it's just one person in the truck and the other person is standing by the road yelling at the person in the truck to "back up, back up, back up." I think they are spotting something wrong. I don't think the truck has the killer. What if the girls were shot earlier than the arrival of the truck and the truck was to try and find the crime scene and retrieve the bodies and evidence only witnesses came along and so they couldn't? Maybe parked funny at an angle so could put them in the back of the truck as in, someone else did the shooting and ran back to someone they knew who could go retrieve everything for them because the shooter couldn't go back. That would be the "back up, back up, back up," part. The shooter or shooters, telling the person with the truck, the location of the little girls', which means the shooter did not have a way to remove the bodies himself from the crime scene.

[PGW]

Wait, Claycat, it's thread number 15, not 14.

[Claycat]

PGW, I feel the jangle and the discordance. However, I'm not getting much more than that!

[Claycat]

8-10-2008

Earlier this evening, I was sleeping. I was having weird dreams, but I think I got more clues. I'm not certain.

I think one young man has a pearl-handled or ivory-handled knife that his father or some family member gave him.

One young man has a large overbearing mother with a loud, shrill voice. She takes a small yappy dog with her wherever she goes. I believe this young man has an underlying hatred of women.

[Claycat]

Someone had posted about the Southerns and Harris and the Keloughs, too in the main thread.

I was having very disturbing dreams this morning.

8-13-2008

Two young men/teenagers/twenties? running, running, through the wood, through pastures, hiding, hiding. I kept hearing the name Kelough over and over, though it may have been suggested by what I'm reading. Then the scene switched and I was standing in front of a vending machine. I got some kind of pastry or candy out. I bit into it, and the center was full of wiggling things. Whoever did this is rotten to the core.

I no longer get the sense of any vehicle. It may be at the bottom of some water somewhere.

Again, I get no sense of the POI. He is like dust in the wind. He has no substance. He may be real; he may not.

[c2cd208]

I have been apprehensive about posting this. I am not psychic, but sometimes I have feelings, drams etc. I mentioned this to someone and was encouraged to post it here. Please do not ridicule me. This may mean something, it may not. But here it goes:


I had a feeling about something and was hoping it would turn up in the reports, but it did not. I feel Skyla having a gold trinket of some kind. I feel she had a gold trinket she carried because she felt like it was good luck. It was supposed to be on a chain, but she did not have it on a chain, she instead carried it with her in her pocket all the time. I can’t make out what the trinket is but I feel like it’s a small golden trinket. I concentrated more on this last night and I get the feeling like it was a trinket shaped like a cat. I don’t even know if she liked cats, or possibly this trinket was a gift from someone who was special in her life. There were no notes in the ME report as to what items the girls had on their possession, and I do not know of a place to find the LE report. I don’t think the trinket has anything to do with the murder just that I felt that Skyla should have had this with her.

[Claycat]

C2C, thank you so much for sharing this with us! Don't ever be afraid to share what you feel or what you think. You may be very right about this charm