Chit Chat/Off Topic

[little726]

Good afternoon, friends. Is there anyone here from the Galvaston-Houston area?

CC, I know you are from Texas, but I'm not sure where in Texas.

[Tom'sGirl]

Good afternoon, friends. Is there anyone here from the Galvaston-Houston area?

CC, I know you are from Texas, but I'm not sure where in Texas.
My friend lives in a two story home in Houston/Spring to be exact. They told them to just hunker down and stay put!

[little726]

My friend lives in a two story home in Houston/Spring to be exact. They told them to just hunker down and stay put!

I hope your friend will be ok,TG. Just say a prayer.

My mom and son live in Houston (Harris county). They are going to "hunker" down, also. I just hope they made the right decision.

Thanks for writing back :blowkiss:.

[frogjustfrog]

Good late morning everyone! Our rain from Ike has finally stopped here in Oklahoma. I missed church this morning so I am going to watch tv for awhile and catch up on my daily messages from my Father. TtYL. I've decided to use the chitchat thread so I dont do anything wrong. You know how to reach me if you need to. muah! :blowkiss:

[Ruflossn]

HI Frog!
I am going to PM you w/ a quick question.
Just talked to our neighbor. We lost another tree in our backyard due to the storm last night. I am in Branson and called for a quick update on whether we had any damage. When my neighbor answered, the first thing he said was, Good Morning, need to borrow my chain saw? I knew things were not going to be good...... lol

[Claycat]

Oh My Gosh, You had more of the bad weather than we did here in our little town!

[Claycat]

Little, some of my family members live in Houston. They are safe!

:blowkiss:

[KeyboardPlayer]

I was gonna ask you about that, CC... So glad to hear everyone is ok! :)

[little726]

Little, some of my family members live in Houston. They are safe!

:blowkiss:

CC, I'm also glad your family is ok. As far as I know, mine is too.

[Claycat]

I was gonna ask you about that, CC... So glad to hear everyone is ok! :)

Thanks, KP! :blowkiss:

[Tom'sGirl]

Man Gets Life for Strangling Woman & Child (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=27c10516-2bbf-4d61-a71a-81c46e8fe6ac&rss=tick)
San Diego 6 - San Diego,CA,USA

May Dayna now be able to sleep with some peace :rose: (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=27c10516-2bbf-4d61-a71a-81c46e8fe6ac&rss=tick)

[Ruflossn]

Man Gets Life for Strangling Woman & Child (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=27c10516-2bbf-4d61-a71a-81c46e8fe6ac&rss=tick)
San Diego 6 - San Diego,CA,USA

May Dayna now be able to sleep with some peace :rose: (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=27c10516-2bbf-4d61-a71a-81c46e8fe6ac&rss=tick)

So glad this case was closed and the murderer put away. This is so tragic.
:mad:

[frogjustfrog]

In reference to Trino's post on the Rumor's 2 thread, (posting this here so I am not off topic and corrected for being on the wrong thread. I guess I dont know my way around, it seems I always break the rules so, I am sorry to anyone who is offended by my mistakes. I will add all my postings on this thread unless it is a FACTUAL posting related to the topic of the thread) I dont understand the reasoning of the most recent posting by Trino on Rumors2. Please understand I am not trying to sound rude, I'm just confused. The event with the handcuffs and the GJ happened weeks ago. Was there something in this posting that I missed? I would like to be helpful if I am able to.

[cloudajo]

In reference to Trino's post on the Rumor's 2 thread, (posting this here so I am not off topic and corrected for being on the wrong thread. I guess I dont know my way around, it seems I always break the rules so, I am sorry to anyone who is offended by my mistakes. I will add all my postings on this thread unless it is a FACTUAL posting related to the topic of the thread) I dont understand the reasoning of the most recent posting by Trino on Rumors2. Please understand I am not trying to sound rude, I'm just confused. The event with the handcuffs and the GJ happened weeks ago. Was there something in this posting that I missed? I would like to be helpful if I am able to.

Frog, I just replied to Trino.

Don't worry about posting on the wrong thread or any mistakes - I certainly don't care - what's important is getting opinions and sharing information about this case with eachother. And you contribute to that. That's all that matters. :)

I usually just post on General Discussion as the name seems to imply discussing anything pertaining to the case, whether it be fact, opinion, rumor, etc.

[KeyboardPlayer]

McALESTER, Oklahoma -- A polygamist convicted of fatally stabbing his 11-year-old niece and dumping her body in rural Oklahoma was executed Thursday. (http://us.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/25/oklahoma.execution.ap/index.html)

I guess if anyone still wondered about whether they had the DP in OK or not, this should remove all doubt. :)

Cheers,
KP

[Sooner Fan]

:behindbarI never wondered about it. They use it all the time too. Used to when they used the electric chair our lights would dim when they hit the switch. Now they do it by lethal injection. However, in several cases, the inmates were such hard drug users they couldn't find a good vein. One guy even told the attendant...gimmme that needle I can find a vein.

[Sooner Fan]

hiya Keyboard!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hi there Sooner Fan! Nice to see you back online!

Yeah I only wondered about the DP there because I went to the DPIC to check, and I wasn't sure how often it was updated as the laws change.

Cheers,
KP

[Sooner Fan]

there was a moretorum on it until it was re-instated by the US Supreme Court just a couple of months ago and out there they started giving them numbers to get in line.

[Sooner Fan]

Did you watch that football game last night?

[frogjustfrog]

I received a call from a very dear friend in OKC, a few minutes ago. She is very scared. She is in her early 30's and has health issues with heart valves, but now, they have found some kind of a cyst, in her sinus cavity, behind her eye. They are running tests and VERY concerned. This doesnt seem to be something medicine is going to take care of. It will require removal, but is pretty much in an inoperatable location. We know that our Heavenly Father can do ANYTHING! So I signed on to ask whoever may be reading this, to please pray for Stephanie. She is soooooo scared! She is married to a wonderful man,and has a little boy about 10. She has no parents, so she kinda looks up to me as her elder person in her life, for advice. Please keep her in your prayers when she comes to mind.

I thought there was a prayer thread on WS main page, but I couldnt find it, so I hope no one minds that I posted this here. Bless you.
fRoG

[Tom'sGirl]

Hi there Sooner Fan! Nice to see you back online!

Yeah I only wondered about the DP there because I went to the DPIC to check, and I wasn't sure how often it was updated as the laws change.

Cheers,
KP
2008

17 June 2008 Terry Lyn Short 47 Asian OKS Lethal Injection

25 September 2008 Jessie Cummings 52 White OKS Lethal Injection

[Tom'sGirl]

I received a call from a very dear friend in OKC, a few minutes ago. She is very scared. She is in her early 30's and has health issues with heart valves, but now, they have found some kind of a cyst, in her sinus cavity, behind her eye. They are running tests and VERY concerned. This doesnt seem to be something medicine is going to take care of. It will require removal, but is pretty much in an inoperatable location. We know that our Heavenly Father can do ANYTHING! So I signed on to ask whoever may be reading this, to please pray for Stephanie. She is soooooo scared! She is married to a wonderful man,and has a little boy about 10. She has no parents, so she kinda looks up to me as her elder person in her life, for advice. Please keep her in your prayers when she comes to mind.


I thought there was a prayer thread on WS main page, but I couldnt find it, so I hope no one minds that I posted this here. Bless you.
fRoG

Prayer thread here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69955)

[Sooner Fan]

I thought there was a prayer thread on WS main page, but I couldnt find it, so I hope no one minds that I posted this here. Bless you.
fRoG[/quote]

I'll pray for her Frog, and for you to be strong for her.

[frogjustfrog]

I thought there was a prayer thread on WS main page, but I couldnt find it, so I hope no one minds that I posted this here. Bless you.
fRoG

I'll pray for her Frog, and for you to be strong for her.[/quote]

Thank you very much SF! I appreciate it!

And thank you too, TG. I just posted it there.

Have a wonderful weekend, everyone!

[KeyboardPlayer]

My prayers are also with her and you, Frog. :)

[frogjustfrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPlvpN-7xyI

This is especially for GetSmart. Happy Birthday Girlfriend!
Everyone look.... its so cute! :Banane17:

[Sooner Fan]

Het Frog, how's things? When is the trip? I'm having cataracrt surgery in a couple of weeks and my dad may

[Sooner Fan]

have to have his 3rs by bypass soon. I have a drs apt Monday so please pray for all of ua. I prayed.

[Sooner Fan]

MY PC HAS A virus....need to reformat

[Sooner Fan]

neway, I prayed for you and Stephanie last night. I truly believe in the power of prayer, although I realize what we is not
alway what Jesus wants, but I draw great strenth from that. Please be safe and let me know whats going on...if you don't want to pm me, I'll send you my emIL.

[frogjustfrog]

Het Frog, how's things? When is the trip? I'm having cataracrt surgery in a couple of weeks and my dad may

Hi Sooner. I will keep you and your dad in my prayers. Thanks for your prayers also. May not even be a trip with all the hoopla down there.

[Sooner Fan]

Hi Sooner. I will keep you and your dad in my prayers. Thanks for your prayers also. May not even be a trip with all the hoopla down there.

Thanks frog. Keep me posted on the trip. Wish I were going.
:boohoo:

[GetSmart]

:smiley4:
Thank You everybody For The BD Wishes

:grouphug:

[KeyboardPlayer]

I love the happy cookie :D

[YellowDog]

To Frog and Anyone else in the Weleetka area:

Do any of you remember a young man who was found dead in his truck at some lake in that part of the state a few years back? I believe the lake was on an old Indian Reservation area.

[Ruflossn]

To Frog and Anyone else in the Weleetka area:

Do any of you remember a young man who was found dead in his truck at some lake in that part of the state a few years back? I believe the lake was on an old Indian Reservation area.


Yellow Dog,
Was the crime solved or is it considered a "cold case".

[YellowDog]

Yellow Dog,
Was the crime solved or is it considered a "cold case".

I think there were suspects but I don't believe they were ever formally charged.

[k4kathy]

To Frog and Anyone else in the Weleetka area:

Do any of you remember a young man who was found dead in his truck at some lake in that part of the state a few years back? I believe the lake was on an old Indian Reservation area.Do you know which lake it was,YellowDog?There are several lakes in the area.I'll be in the area this weekend,and will ask my former neighbor if she remembers anything.I will also ask her if she has heard anything new on our little girls.

[YellowDog]

Do you know which lake it was,YellowDog?There are several lakes in the area.I'll be in the area this weekend,and will ask my former neighbor if she remembers anything.I will also ask her if she has heard anything new on our little girls.

I can't remember but it's some lake on an old Indian Reservation in the east part of the state. I've been searching and searching for it on the internet.
It seems like one of the guys was named Chase or Jason but I'm not sure of that. I think there were 3 teens or young adults involved. It was about 3 or 4 years ago I believe.

[frogjustfrog]

I can't remember but it's some lake on an old Indian Reservation in the east part of the state. I've been searching and searching for it on the internet.
It seems like one of the guys was named Chase or Jason but I'm not sure of that. I think there were 3 teens or young adults involved. It was about 3 or 4 years ago I believe.


YD... I'm sorry I'm of no help. Not that I can think of anyway. Generally I stay away from this kind of thing, as I am so emotional when it comes to this kind of stuff. I rarely even listen on TV. To tell the truth, I dont even know a think about this Calee case. I just cant handle those things!

Was the lake Tenkiller Lake? That is near Tahlequah, the Cherokee capitol, but I dont know about reservations Tenkiller is a very popular lake in the state. Very pretty with lots of bluffs and stuff.
Sorry I cant help. Can I check in to anything for you?

[YellowDog]

The name was sent to me in a personal message. Thanks everyone. The kids name was Jarret Clark and he was killed around the time he graduated from high school by another boy who was jealous of the attention Jarret paid to his girlfriend. There were three other teenagers involved. The kid who did it died before it went to the Grand Jury.

It was at Fort Gibson Lake and, for some reason, that murder kept coming into my mind in realtion to this one. However, as it turns out, no connection at all. The only reason I thought it might have some bearing months ago when I researched it was because it happend on Indian property.

[frogjustfrog]

The name was sent to me in a personal message. Thanks everyone. The kids name was Jarret Clark and he was killed around the time he graduated from high school by another boy who was jealous of the attention Jarret paid to his girlfriend. There were three other teenagers involved. The kid who did it died before it went to the Grand Jury.

It was at Fort Gibson Lake and, for some reason, that murder kept coming into my mind in realtion to this one. However, as it turns out, no connection at all. The only reason I thought it might have some bearing months ago when I researched it was because it happend on Indian property.

I for one appreciate you for trying, YD. Keep up the good work, hun. It's putting minds to work that could eventually find the one clue needed to solve this hideous crime! :blowkiss:

[frogjustfrog]

well... I am trying to move over here to the chitchat thread. Anyone want to rumor or speculate over here?

[YellowDog]

No one has said anything about the elections. The only thing I can say is I am scared to death if Obama get's in as President. I am worried about our Country and what it stands for and I am worried about our families. I think if Obama get's IN, it will be the downfall of America. I pray that people wake up and SEE who he really is and what he stands for. It is definiately not for the NORMAL everyday citizens. He has an agenda. And I know his agenda does not fit into American society. What is it going to take for people to understand what he is all about? God Help Us!! Thanks for letting me get some of this off my chest. Talk to ya all later. Whether you agree with me or not!!

I think there is a thread for politics.

[GetSmart]

Quote:
Originally Posted by gertrude-gertie http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2844910#post2844910)
No one has said anything about the elections. The only thing I can say is I am scared to death if Obama get's in as President. I am worried about our Country and what it stands for and I am worried about our families. I think if Obama get's IN, it will be the downfall of America. I pray that people wake up and SEE who he really is and what he stands for. It is definiately not for the NORMAL everyday citizens. He has an agenda. And I know his agenda does not fit into American society. What is it going to take for people to understand what he is all about? God Help Us!! Thanks for letting me get some of this off my chest. Talk to ya all later. Whether you agree with me or not!!




I think there is a thread for politics.

chit·chat (chhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifthttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifchhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/abreve.gifthttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gif)
n. 1. Casual conversation; small talk.
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intr.v. chit·chat·ted, chit·chat·ting, chit·chats To engage in small talk or gossip.



I have no problem with gerti's post after all this is chit-chat. YD I am surprised at your comment. Apparently you are an Obama supporter. She said she just needed to get it off her chest.maybe she felt like it was the right thing to do..Just ignore the post if you find it troublesome
Please no flaming me for this post. :furious:

[Claycat]

I'm afraid I will have to agree with keeping the politics in the politics room. No offense to any of you. I find the subject very inflammatory after the lies and the horror of the last eight years!

I want chit chat to be friendly, and this is already turning ugly.

[frogjustfrog]

No one has said anything about the elections. The only thing I can say is I am scared to death if Obama get's in as President. I am worried about our Country and what it stands for and I am worried about our families. I think if Obama get's IN, it will be the downfall of America. I pray that people wake up and SEE who he really is and what he stands for. It is definiately not for the NORMAL everyday citizens. He has an agenda. And I know his agenda does not fit into American society. What is it going to take for people to understand what he is all about? God Help Us!! Thanks for letting me get some of this off my chest. Talk to ya all later. Whether you agree with me or not!!

I agree with you TOTALLY, Gertie! GOD BLESS AMERICA! Isn't this what our country was founded on? I guess people dont remember their history lessons, but the settlers came to America to be able to worship God freely, and our Nation was founded on that very reason. Now, those freedoms have been practically taken away. But God told John in a dream that these things would happen.... and it seems they are.
Obami... whatever his name is, is NOT about anything America was founded on! I think people cant see the forest for the trees! I pray that anyone who listens to this man, will see past the promises he makes, and see what he really stands for and what he REALLY INTENDS to do to our nation.
As Mom used to tell me, these are things to come. BE READY! I just pray that they arent coming yet!
And as I am able to write this on this chitchat thread, I would like to add, this IS my opinion, to which I am entitled to.
God please bless our nation!
Amen

[Boots-OK]

Friends, friends, friends....

I have strong personal opinions about our current and future political situation; however, I am not willing to risk alienating my friends by posting those beliefs. There have been two many harsh remarks made, imo, on this forum and others.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone's opinion by posting these things? I don't - this is a free country and we are all entitled to our thoughts and we are entitled to openly express them; however, is it worth losing your friends?

I don't believe it is and that's why I will not talk politics on these sites. I value all of you too much and the quickest way to lose a good friend is to argue about politics or religion.

Anything further I have to say regarding politics will be in the voting booth.

[little726]

Friends, friends, friends....

I have strong personal opinions about our current and future political situation; however, I am not willing to risk alienating my friends by posting those beliefs. There have been two many harsh remarks made, imo, on this forum and others.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone's opinion by posting these things? I don't - this is a free country and we are all entitled to our thoughts and we are entitled to openly express them; however, is it worth losing your friends?

I don't believe it is and that's why I will not talk politics on these sites. I value all of you too much and the quickest way to lose a good friend is to argue about politics or religion.

Anything further I have to say regarding politics will be in the voting booth.

Well said, Boot's!

I'm just grateful I live in the U.S.A. and have that choice.

[Ruflossn]

Friends, friends, friends....

I have strong personal opinions about our current and future political situation; however, I am not willing to risk alienating my friends by posting those beliefs. There have been two many harsh remarks made, imo, on this forum and others.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone's opinion by posting these things? I don't - this is a free country and we are all entitled to our thoughts and we are entitled to openly express them; however, is it worth losing your friends?

I don't believe it is and that's why I will not talk politics on these sites. I value all of you too much and the quickest way to lose a good friend is to argue about politics or religion. Anything further I have to say regarding politics will be in the voting booth.

Boots~
Cheers to you!!! I feel the same way. I could not have said it any better. Thank-you for your post.

Hugs to you~
Flossie

[gertrude-gertie]

Friends, friends, friends....

I have strong personal opinions about our current and future political situation; however, I am not willing to risk alienating my friends by posting those beliefs. There have been two many harsh remarks made, imo, on this forum and others.

Do any of you think you are changing anyone's opinion by posting these things? I don't - this is a free country and we are all entitled to our thoughts and we are entitled to openly express them; however, is it worth losing your friends?

I don't believe it is and that's why I will not talk politics on these sites. I value all of you too much and the quickest way to lose a good friend is to argue about politics or religion.

Anything further I have to say regarding politics will be in the voting booth.Boots -- You're right. I sincerely appologize to everyone. I should never have brought up this topic. I was only expressing what has been weighing heavily on my mind. I should have realized this is a very controversial subject. Please excuse me and ignore my posts. Thanks!

Gertie

[gertrude-gertie]

I deleted my original post. Thanks. -- Gertie

[little726]

Boots -- You're right. I sincerely appologize to everyone. I should never have brought up this topic. I was only expressing what has been weighing heavily on my mind. I should have realized this is a very controversial subject. Please excuse me and ignore my posts. Thanks!

Gertie

:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

[Ruflossn]

:thumb: :smoochiesmilie: :grouphug:

Flossie

[GetSmart]

I agree Boots ...Good post.
The reason I took up for Gerti is that sometimes you just need to vent or maybe it was layed on her heart to speak her mind. I think that is ok, just because I don't choose to speak my views out loud I would not want to step on Gerti or any other American that wants to state their view in a friendly manner. That is what upsets me more than anything when people lose their manners & really get upset. I am thankful to be born a woman in the United States of America where we do have these freedoms. I just think people need to play nice and for some reason Religon & Politics strike at the very nerve of most. I guess thats why my Daddy's advice makes since ..Never discuss Religon & Poltics with your friends ..LOL

I LUV YOU GUYS

[Claycat]

I deleted my post as well, because I don't want to lose my friends! We may not agree on everything, but we still have this common bond that pulls us together.

Thanks Boots!

[Ruflossn]

I deleted my post as well, because I don't want to lose my friends! We may not agree on everything, but we still have this common bond that pulls us together.

Thanks Boots!


Love you CC!
:blowkiss:

[adielphia]

Hello everyone. It has been a while since I have been here so was wondering if anyone has heard of any new news about these two beautiful girls?

[Boots-OK]

Hello everyone. It has been a while since I have been here so was wondering if anyone has heard of any new news about these two beautiful girls?

Hello, there Adielphia...

Sure is good to hear from you. No new news...nothing! Hopefully, it is still a very active investigation and something will break soon..

[GetSmart]

http://www.silvitablanco.com.ar/winnie_pooh_2/1halloween-gifs8.gifTRICK OR TREAT !!!!!

I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A SAFE & FUN NIGHT.....

[little726]

http://www.silvitablanco.com.ar/winnie_pooh_2/1halloween-gifs8.gifTRICK OR TREAT !!!!!

I HOPE EVERYONE HAS A SAFE & FUN NIGHT.....

GS, a HAPPY HALLOWEEN to you, too!!!

Thank you!

[Sooner Fan]

Hello all, I, too, have been away for a while, Hubby was very sick and in the hospital. I tried following the progress of this but my heart wasn't in it. But....I'm back! and hubby is much better. I've missed talking to you all. Thank you all for the heart felt good wishes of hope in my despare.

[Claycat]

Sooner Fan, I'm so glad your husband is better! :blowkiss:

[ArizonaGiGi]

Hi SoonerFan!! good to see u and everyone else.
the weather is finally getting cold here leaves dropped off the trees. I guess it's that time of year because when i was in the grocery store yesterday they were playing Christmas music.!:eek: I know, i know, they have had the Christmas tree's out at walmart for a month now but still..............

[KeyboardPlayer]

To all,

HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Cheers,
KP

[ArizonaGiGi]

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/christmasturkeyf.jpg (http://www.guy-sports.com/humor/videos/video_thanksgiving.htm)

[Sooner Fan]

Happy thanksgiving and love to all my friends!! Justice is coming soon. :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Sooner Fan]

Hi SoonerFan!! good to see u and everyone else.
the weather is finally getting cold here leaves dropped off the trees. I guess it's that time of year because when i was in the grocery store yesterday they were playing Christmas music.!:eek: I know, i know, they have had the Christmas tree's out at walmart for a month now but still..............
It was 40 degrees here today (Quakerstown,Pa) but temps dropping fast and expecting sleet and snow. Good thing we have no time limit getting home as the mountains in WV are insanely unsafe. At least we have 4 wheel drive lexus....

[little726]

And a Happy Thanksgiving, to all of you!

[Sooner Fan]

Hi SoonerFan!! good to see u and everyone else.
the weather is finally getting cold here leaves dropped off the trees. I guess it's that time of year because when i was in the grocery store yesterday they were playing Christmas music.!:eek: I know, i know, they have had the Christmas tree's out at walmart for a month now but still..............

We are in Illinois and trying to get home. I did note the Sooners got picked over Texas....that whole bcs is a big mess...seems like every year someone gets screwed. I'm so anxious to get home...Oh did I mention my one and only grandbaby decided to walk for the first time on her 1st birthday...

New pics to follow

[Missing Sarah]

OK, now we can say whatever..!!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Can I start?

"Whatever". :D

Hi MS!

[Lauren - CA]

Can I start?

"Whatever". :D

Hi MS!

Am I allowed to say "Smarta**

[sheza]

Go for it!

[ArizonaGiGi]

boots u WIN!!!!

[Missing Sarah]

:eek:

[ArizonaGiGi]

good to see everybody over here where we're supposed to be. don't wanna see our posts go "poof"!!!

[KeyboardPlayer]

Am I allowed to say "Smarta**
Thank you Lauren! :) :) :)

[GetSmart]

I guess so ... where did they go?

[sheza]

Weleetka1 was you in the band?

[Lauren - CA]

I do not think Weleetka 1 followed us here.

[ArizonaGiGi]

surprise!!!!!!!

[Missing Sarah]

Ok, its alright to post names in here...? I'm totally confused, Plus...I have lost Sheza....

[Claycat]

No, Sarah, this is the chit/chat room on the main forum! No real names!

[Ruflossn]

Ok, its alright to post names in here...? I'm totally confused, Plus...I have lost Sheza....

Hi MS!
Sorry i missed your Bday. Is Sheza still on here?

[sheza]

Nope still here, GiGi has made a room for me.

[Missing Sarah]

Ok, there you are....I thought I'd lost you ...and would never find ya.
I need to go back and delete my posts

[Ruflossn]

Ok, its alright to post names in here...? I'm totally confused, Plus...I have lost Sheza....

MS,
have you been to our room? You need to see She's avatar. Love it.

[Ruflossn]

Nope still here, GiGi has made a room for me.

Hi She,
Have you seen your new Holiday Horse in the room?

[Missing Sarah]

I doubt, Weleetka follows us here. It was interesting chatting with him.

[sheza]

NO I haven't.. I have a new Horse?

[Ann Fan]

Someone had better hunt down W1 = I don't think he came in here. And MS - I have a feeling your posts will be deleted if you don't get to it right away. Poof.

[GetSmart]

MS dont delete just change names to protect the innoncent

[Lauren - CA]

Sheza go to our private room , look what GS did for you. YOu're gonna love it

[sheza]

Ok I'll go look.

[weleetka1]

I was in the Class of 75. No band for me. It was Voodoo (Ray) Votah who was the Band Leader. Are you old enough to know who that was?

[Ruflossn]

NO I haven't.. I have a new Horse?

It is not exactly new.........Just a more holiday spirited horse. Our friends were giving us he*l for not having Christmas avatars. They took matters into their own hands. You will see what we are talking about. It looks great.

[Ann Fan]

Ok - now we are in the right room. I don't know if you saw it on the other thread W1 but I asked what type of work you do with such degrees - nothing specific - just in general.

[Ruflossn]

W1~
Don't take offense to all the questions, we are just a nosy bunch of sleuthers. (Who obviously have nothing to do on a freezing Sunday night. LOL)

[weleetka1]

Yepperdoodle. I made it.

[Ann Fan]

Has the environmental science aspect of things changed greatly in your field since you finished your degree? I understand that is one of the most desired fields these days.

[sheza]

Mr. Votah who could forget! Do you remember any twirlers?
I was in band also.

[Ruflossn]

oman, i don't think i'll ever post again after this...i am worn out.!!

lol!!!

[weleetka1]

I'm a Senior Officer in the U.S. Public Health Service. The more Weleetkans told me "You can't do that" the more bound and determined I became. Back in the day I grew a ponytail myself. heck, it was 1973!

[sheza]

Weleetka1 you are 51? I am 50.

[weleetka1]

Are you ready for this Sheza. One of my best friends in 1972 was Marla Hull. She was an awesome twirler. Also mu cousin, then Kim Boling.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Hi W1 - glad to see you made it to the party room lol

I remember the ponytails the guys had in 70's were longer than the girls hair

[Lauren - CA]

Sheza, did you like the horse? Am I in the right room to ask that?? LOL

[weleetka1]

Then I must know you. My best belated friend was Mark Pennington.

[sheza]

Marla married Scrutchfield didn't she?

[Claycat]

LOL, I just said, in the other thread, that people with an MPH usually work for the government!

[sheza]

Mark Pennington I was so sad when he died.

[weleetka1]

I grew it to remind the ropers I was free'r than them. It's funny how just a short time later they partied like I did, and then Willie and Waylon hit the scene. It was like cats and dogs getting along, finally.

[weleetka1]

Explicative. Terry and I chased many a fair lady in the day ... Usually in Okmulgee. Yahoo!

[sheza]

Hi Clay..GiGi.. Lauren..AF..Boots..Sarah..Key, I got caught up talking to Weleetka1 >

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hey there Sheza! Sorry, I've been in the room and trying to get some website work done. :)

[KeyboardPlayer]

Hi MS! Something wrong?

[ArizonaGiGi]

W1 are you familiar enough with Weleetka as of late, to have an opinion of the murders and who-dun-it?

[sheza]

I was a twirler, younger than Marla.

[Missing Sarah]

I'm just busy deleting posts...

[weleetka1]

Your handle makes you "sound like a dentist. But fear not for me. I live in Tucson where it was 65 degrees F today.

[Missing Sarah]

I remember Terry Scrutchfield..didn't he have a younger brother.? I can't think of his name..

[sheza]

W1 what is your thoughts on the murders?

[sheza]

Ronnie Scrutchfield was married to Carolyn Puckett.

[Missing Sarah]

Yeah Yeah, Ronnie...thank you very much Sheza...

[weleetka1]

In the early days it was easier to get things done. As you move up the ladder, you actually tend to lose control of getting things done. My experience is that the people who supervise you made through the back door, and it goes downhill from there.

[sheza]

W1 was you still in touch with Mark at the time he died?

[GetSmart]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=365&pictureid=5047
Ok Sheza I will bring pic to you !!LOL

[weleetka1]

It was Ronny.

[Missing Sarah]

Ronny Ronny, it was....I wonder what happened to him.
Its easy to lose track of people, once you move away.

[sheza]

OMG GS my horse is beautiful!! Thank you.

[Missing Sarah]

A friend of mine used to be nuts over Ronny, she was older and chased after him a lot.
She was married at the time.

[KeyboardPlayer]

GS is really quite good with the graphic design, eh?

[Lauren - CA]

Sheza you need to change your picture so you can match the rest of us!

[sheza]

GS I'm impressed.

[Ann Fan]

Yes, that GS is quite handy to have around.

[Missing Sarah]

I seen the Plackers at WallyWorld Saturday....I spoke, but I doubt either of them knew who I was.
They were doing some Christmas shopping, didn't see Jennifer or Linda.

[sheza]

I will try and change it Lauren.

[sheza]

I saw the Placker last night at the casino... Peter, Vickie and Linda.

[weleetka1]

Sheza. Thank you. Mark and I were roomates in college. We lived across the street from each other in 1972 by the Outlaw football field. We, ski'd Lake Eufala like we owned it. I saw Mark for the last time in February 2002 when Julie called me to say he was really bad, and if I ever wanted to se him again, I should come. Before that, in January, Mark and I went to see Lord of the Rings. Mark was avoraciuos reader, and loved Tolkein. When mom was dying of cancer, my wife and I stayed with Mark. He had been having a lot of breathing problems, and finally he was diagnosed. As my wife and I passed Mark coming home from the hospital he had been in in Tulsa, as we we were goinf to see mom, he stopped us (August 2001). Garland and Ruthie were in the front seat, Mark in the back rolled down the window and told us he had lung cancer, but the doctor said "they" were gonna manage it. Well, you know the rest. He was my best friend, ever.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I'm sorry I was posting to ask you if you minded if I use the horsey avatar and W1 posted a very personal post. I didn't mean to be o/t and I don't know how to delete this post. I feel like a cad.

[Missing Sarah]

Oh really, I hope they won a big jackpot.
Linda, had cleaned up a little. I wish, they would both get teeth ..while they have the extra funds.!!

[Claycat]

Weleetka1, we have lost 2 family members in the last year to lung cancer, and my MIL's lung cancer is being managed now.

I'm sorry about your friend!

[Missing Sarah]

Awww, that is so sad. Sorry for the loss of your bestfriend.!!

[Ruflossn]

He was my best friend, ever.

W1~ I am so sorry for your loss of friendship. My best friend is like my sister. If I lost her, a huge part of my life would be gone. I am truly sorry. Even if it was years ago, I know you still miss him.

[Boots-OK]

Weleetka1 - do you stay in touch with any of the Weleetka locals? If so, have any of your contacts given you any "inside" info?

[weleetka1]

I was discussing a lot of this with Missing Sarah. and Sheza. Other folks in legal trouble with meth would be Mark Mason. I would have to be in Weleetka for an extended stay to "hear" things. That meth crap has sure ruined a lot of previously good people throughout Oklahoma. We haven't heard credible evidence meth was involved, but my guess is that it plays a part somewhere in this atrocity of murdering two angels in the fashion is sounds like it was done in.

[Boots-OK]

I was discussing a lot of this with Missing Sarah. and Sheza. Other folks in legal trouble with meth would be Mark Mason. I would have to be in Weleetka for an extended stay to "hear" things. That meth crap has sure ruined a lot of previously good people throughout Oklahoma. We haven't heard credible evidence meth was involved, but my guess is that it plays a part somewhere in this atrocity of murdering two angels in the fashion is sounds like it was done in.

I don't know M. Mason - but, I agree with the rest of your comment about meth's effects on people.

[Missing Sarah]

Ok, I'm going to run a name by you. Randy Dwiggins...did you run around with him any at all..?

[Lauren - CA]

I am sorry for anyone suffering a loss, no matter how long ago it was. It just reinforces that our loved ones will always be with us no matter what!

[Ruflossn]

I was discussing a lot of this with Missing Sarah. and Sheza. Other folks in legal trouble with meth would be Mark Mason. I would have to be in Weleetka for an extended stay to "hear" things. That meth crap has sure ruined a lot of previously good people throughout Oklahoma. We haven't heard credible evidence meth was involved, but my guess is that it plays a part somewhere in this atrocity of murdering two angels in the fashion is sounds like it was done in.


W1, that has been my thoughts from the beginning of this terrible crime. Drugs (probably meth) will be a factor. To what etent we don't know but, drugs will play a part. imo.

[Claycat]

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=386062&offender_book_id=216228

[Mysterylover]

W1, that has been my thoughts from the beginning of this terrible crime. Drugs (probably meth) will be a factor.

To what etent we don't know but, drugs will play a part. imo.....

Ruflossn,...My thoughts too.
Quote:
The psychological effects of methamphetamine include, euphoria, dysphoria, increased attention, increased alertness, excessive talking, rapid speech,
irritability, nervousness, anxiety, paranoia,
delusions of grandeur, panic, aggressive and sometimes violent behavior, severe depression, suicidal tendencies, hyperactivity and excitability, increased sense of well-being, and emotional lability.

Occasionally excessive and/or chronic use of methamphetamine can lead to amphetamine psychosis,
with side effects such as hallucinations, paranoia, delusions, and thought disorder..... [19][16][18]
[edit]

[Claycat]

The killer/s being hopped up on meth makes a lot of sense to me, too.

[Houndacres]

I would like to ask a question and I hope this is the correct place to post it. I have read some opinions that the shooting indicated an 'overkill' and could mean a 'hit' on the girls. I've never thought that a hit was carried out by younger persons in this case. And, I do think the crimes were committed by younger persons. I don't think an adult would risk 13 shots in daylight that close to Taylor's home. As a teacher, I have always been interested in the 'mind' and how it works. I recently had a discussion with a child psychologist about increasing violence in young children. She suggested that a child's mind will justify an action (even if it's wrong) if that person has seen it over and over. Seeing something over and over will create a 'learning pathway' in a child's mind and they will do what they have learned. This is a major concern with such violent video games that are available to young children these days. I've seen some teenagers play these games for hours on end. They would certainly have to be effected by this in some way. Many things about the shootings are very similiar to what is seen in popular video games these days. Perhaps the shootings weren't a hit, but the product of teenagers acting out what they have learned?? I don't think this is the motive, I still think it has to do with the girls walking upon some type of drug involvement. But, perhaps an explaination of why teenagers would do an 'overkill' ??

[weleetka1]

MS:

I thought I'd check in before I go outside and rinse of the pool decking. I got tired and went to bed without telling anybody last night. Sorry. Anyway, Randy Dwiggins? There were three Dwiggins at WHS. Jeff was the cousin to Randy and his brother (the one I can't remember). Jeff is doing very well. Gary, that was Randy's brother. My first day at WHS in 1972, in Mr. Hanes Biology class, Gary asked me: You wanna hook it? I said hook it, whats that. He told me and I said no thanks. That woulkd have been my second fist fight in Weleetka, and he out weighed me then by 15 to 20 pounds for sure. Randy was from the Class of 76, alomg with Linda Bridges and Anna Griffin.

[sheza]

Weleetka1 BM?

[Missing Sarah]

Weleetka1 ...
Yeah, you did suddenly just vanish last night.
Needless to say you have our curiosity highly elevated.."as to who you are". LOL
I'm going to toss a name out.. it doesn't really matter who you are...I mean, you are as clueless as to who Sheza and I are.
Would your first name happen to be "Randy"?
About cleaning your deck...I wish, I were out cleaning my pool deck with the warmth of the sunshine on my face......its FREEZING here.!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS...to you ! I'm happy you made it out of Weleetka, and proud that you are successful and fought for the opportunity to watch your dreams come to life.

[sheza]

Locals want to help find who killed Taylor and Skyla but like everyone else we know nothing about the crime. If the OSBI and LE's would share something/anything maybe we could help.

[sheza]

W1 Gary died, I'm not sure if it was before Mark passed or soon after.

[sheza]

W1, Linda Bridges married Phillip Burden.
Mark Mason has slowed down with age : )

[weleetka1]

Sheza, Mark Mason would do just about anything for a buck back in the 70's and 80's. This isn't meant to be deragatory; Mark's dad Roger was a hardcore alcoholic. Addiction to anything was possible, and happened to both Mark and his older brother Mike. Involvement with drugs and alcohol around Weleetka was out of controlin the 70's and 80's in our dear Weleetka.

And, No, my name is not Randy. The only Randy's I new were; Richardson, Dwiggins, and Wilcox.

Thanks for the update on Gary.

[weleetka1]

I forgot to tell you my wife and I lived in Claremore AUG 87 - FEB 88. We lived on the far east end of the City Lake just across that little dam. I saw a six foot water moccasin streak right by there once, as it went into the lake.

[weleetka1]

The last time I have partied with Ronny was at Lake Eufala in about 1997. Of course I wa with Fuzzhead, Mike Smith, and Puckett. I think Carolyn was the one that busted out Ronny's windshield when she caught him running around on her. Who needs Peyton Place when you come from Weleetka.

[weleetka1]

ClayCat, may the lord bless and keep your MIL healthy.

[weleetka1]

Outstanding ClayCat!

[weleetka1]

I asked for updates earlier from some friends there on a different website. I didn't get any.

[weleetka1]

Sheza:

It would be helpful to know if "going to the bridge" had a frequency, and what the pattern, if any, there may be.

[gertrude-gertie]

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone!!!!

Gertie

[Lauren - CA]

Thank you Gertie. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.

[Ruflossn]

Sheza:

It would be helpful to know if "going to the bridge" had a frequency, and what the pattern, if any, there may be.


It was reported that Taylor walked to the bridge reguarly. I believe a family member (father?) stated she walked to the bridge for exercise. There is probably a link in the media thread that would answer your question. I am to tired to try and locate it. Sorry..........

[sheza]

W1.. I'll try one more time and stop bugging ya GP or MP?

[weleetka1]

Sheza. Was there a third "P"? Or, which were you in the same class as? If you figure me out, your powers of deduction are pretty doggone good. You were likely in the class of 76 or 77 (Fuzzhead, Riddle, Turbeville, Hull, etc). The WHS Class of 77 has an exclusive website. Thats who I polled a few months ago about any Talor and Skyla updates. You would have to ask Theresa Kern for access, as she's the administrator. Did you ever go to the pool hall when Vern Harrison ran it? It was great place to mess around at. You could hear the Eagles, and the Spinners to you hearts content.

[weleetka1]

Thanks Ruflossn. That alone still would have to be called to question. I wonder if either child was insured. Both families look economically challenged to me. A way to get quick money that was unchallenged is certainly a motive. The next time I go to Weleetka, which will likely be April or May, Ill check the area where the "angels" were struck down. My claimed hometown is Weleetka, and these brutal murders cut me to the quick.

[Ruflossn]

Thanks Ruflossn. That alone still would have to be called to question. I wonder if either child was insured. Both families look economically challenged to me. A way to get quick money that was unchallenged is certainly a motive. The next time I go to Weleetka, which will likely be April or May, Ill check the area where the "angels" were struck down. My claimed hometown is Weleetka, and these brutal murders cut me to the quick.

W1~ You are correct in saying the families are economically challenged. I do not belive either child had insurance. Immediately after the girls were killed, an Uncle of Taylor was on the news asking for money to help with the cost of the funeral. I am not from Weleetka, but Oklahoma is my home. It is in my blood. I love the wind, the plains, the Sooners. When I am out of sorts, the first place I seek is Oklahoma. It calms my soul. I have been to Weleetka and have been to the Memorial. If you are interested in the "sleuthing" part of this tragedy, be sure and study up on the crime scene. It is interesting to see where the bodies were found in reference to the bridge, the home of Taylor etc..................

~Merry Christmas Eve~

[KeyboardPlayer]

Wishing all my friends here on WS a very

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

[little726]

I would also like to wish everyone a "Blessed Holiday."

[weleetka1]

Houndacres: Meth heads (tweakers) also have a lot of "awake time". Dependent on how long and the dosage/purity of their meth, the extent of brain damage occuring, is also a factor here. Ruflosn presented some "lay" expalanation of what a tweaker may experience. However, the bio chemical and anatomical processess deterioration are also happening. I'm saying tweakers play a lot of video games, so what to say their pschoses isn't also acting like a kid in a n adultd body. Just a twist to your good possible scenario.

[Houndacres]

W1, this is what I see happening also. These young adults, hyped up on meth, playing violent video games for hours and hours, would create a pathway, a rut if you will, in their brain. This is what their actions would imitate when given a situation to react to.

[YellowDog]

I still see this as a revenge killing for something one of the girls did or knew that they had threatened to divulge.

[Claycat]

I still see this as a revenge killing for something one of the girls did or knew that they had threatened to divulge.

I still see it as a revenge or payback killing, too, YellowDog. However, it is very likely they were hopped up on meth, as well. I often think it was payback to one of the families rather than just to the girls. The worst thing you can do to someone is kill their children!

[weleetka1]

ClayCay and Houndacres: I think you two both have a good slant to consider. If I had the time I would put everthing we know or speculate into a spreadsheet, and see where the line is straightest. We could likely see some good possibiluities. Notice I didn't say we could see some likely possibilities. If we see what we think we have, then maybe we could see what the missing questions are, so we could fill things in a better.

ClayCat: Didn't the early witness reports say the POI was spotted with a Chevy truck?

[Ruflossn]

ClayCay and Houndacres: I think you two both have a good slant to consider. If I had the time I would put everthing we know or speculate into a spreadsheet, and see where the line is straightest. We could likely see some good possibiluities. Notice I didn't say we could see some likely possibilities. If we see what we think we have, then maybe we could see what the missing questions are, so we could fill things in a better.

ClayCat: Didn't the early witness reports say the POI was spotted with a Chevy truck?

W1~
The spread sheet idea is a great one. The truck has never, to the best of my knowledge, been identified as definite Chevy or Ford. I have heard both referenced. The tailgate was down and that is one reason that there was confusion about the make of the vehicle. (At least that is what was explained to me by a local). The most notable thing to me is that the truck was white, and clean. Meaning, it did not appear to have been drivin down dusty, Oklahoma roads. So, where did the truck come from.............:confused:

[weleetka1]

Ruflossn: I had to check. I checked KOTV and got the following extract.

OSBI says the man is part Native American. He's about 35 years old and 6 feet tall with mid-length hair. They say he was in a white Chevy or Ford single cab pickup with a narrow chrome strip down the side with Oklahoma plates.

I mean even a year range would help. You would think the OSBI would have run a description through the DMV for all OK registered vehicles fitting. I believe there is more description on the vehicle available, just not to us. Just the witnesses, the POI, and possibly the OSBI.

[Claycat]

According to what I have heard, the man was actually more like 25. I don't believe the final drawing had been shown to witnesses to see if it was accurate or not.

Dust in the wind...

[Houndacres]

I have a feeling the POI is not the person who committed these horrible crimes. I have also felt it was payback, but not to the P's. I still lean heavily to the girls having trouble with someone and this was their payback from young persons involved. They were hyped up on drugs and the shootings came easy to them. They are not wracked with guilt. I think the girls knew them and walked upon them. There was a reason the other persons were at the bridge, drugs perhaps? The POI may have been involved with the drugs and knows who these persons are. Perhaps that's why he has just disappeared? out of safety for himself?

[Claycat]

Hi Houndacres! Some of us were wondering if the POI was a supplier.

[KeyboardPlayer]

If he wasn't there to take a leak, what other reason could there be to block the road and stand outside the truck?

[Claycat]

If he wasn't there to take a leak, what other reason could there be to block the road and stand outside the truck?

True! I'm sure he was part of the crime. It's just that the drawing of the POI and the real POI don't match, in my opinion.

[KeyboardPlayer]

I'm not 100% convinced he was directly involved, but I believe he knows something. I have heard about some discrepancies between the sketch and the real POI, but without seeing him myself, I can't say for sure.

[Houndacres]

ClayCat,
If he was there to deal drugs, I would think he lives locally. From what I've read of your visit to the bridge, and the pictures I've seen, this is not a place that just anyone could find. Since he had a 'meeting' there, he would have to be familiar with the area. So, now the killer(s) know that someone can identify them. If he wasn't part of the shootings, I think he's gone, he running, and not from the police. The police are probably the least of his worries right now.
But what really amazes me, is that someone else knows this guy in the truck. There are others who might have had dealings with him, are his neighbors, work with him?? Seems to me that somebody knows more than has been told. Someone can identify the POI. Perhaps he's not a suspect, but LE just wants to interview him. I would hope that someone would call LE and give them this info, even if they don't reveal their identity.

[Claycat]

Yes, they are definitely local, Houndacres. We certainly believe that!

I think there are people that do know and are afraid or have some kind of skewed sense of loyalty. There is one person who is feeling pretty awful at this point. (Check the psychic thread. I picked up on someone and felt my life was over. Fortunately, one of our group called me and saved me.) I don't know that he is feeling remorse. It's more like he realizes he has ruined his life and his future.

[weleetka1]

ClayCat: The "skewed sense of loyalty" is the sociological mores of the drug sub culture that was very present when I lived in Oklahoma, and in Weleetka. This also relates directly to the subcultures preoccupance with drug seeking; and absolute protection of the drug source.

[Boots-OK]

ClayCat: The "skewed sense of loyalty" is the sociological mores of the drug sub culture that was very present when I lived in Oklahoma, and in Weleetka. This also relates directly to the subcultures preoccupance with drug seeking; and absolute protection of the drug source.

Hi, W1...

I'm going hmmmmmmm - not because there's anything in your post that I disagree with but the way you worded that (bolded portion) grabbed me!!

[weleetka1]

Boots - OK, it's probably just as true today as it ever was there. I think it's gonna have to take some WS'ers to figure things out (with credible facts or darn good reliable sourced info) to get something in front of OSBI.

[Claycat]

Absolute protection of the drug source is why, I think, we don't have the second suspect!

[weleetka1]

ClayCat: As we learned in Physics "forces occur in pairs." Man, if we could just find the one thing, whatever it is, we could start trying to see things that relate to that one thing.

[Albert18]

When you people who live in Oklahoma go outside do you see a lot of eggs, because Oklahoma State layed quite a few.

Missouri made Northwestern look like USC. I wonder who the imposter was who was playing QB for Missouri.

So far Kansas is the only Big 12 team who hasn't acted like half of their blood has been drained out. We shall see what today brings.

[k4kathy]

"Something" made the killer/s use the county line road that day,there is some reason.If LE could compile a list of 50 people who travel that road the most,I bet at least one of the killers names would be on the list.Also,I wonder if one of the killers had something wrong with them,like overweight,mentally behind,speech empediment,bad acne,etc., that made them feel awkward socializing with others as a group.May have had girl problems/mother issues.Probably never took part in school sports or other social activities.Learning disability,maybe.Has never been popular with peers.Hobbies might include hunting and fishing.A loner for the most part,perhaps.JUst a fews possibilities I thought about.Anyone here interested in behavioral science?

[weleetka1]

k4kathy, look at my drug sub culture reply above. A look at sociological aspects should also be considered; given the volume of people in OK who are in a drug sub culture and don't realize it. I mean as an extention to say having a family member who is a tweaker, the innocent family member may be killed (as happens often enough here in Tucson) if the tweaker defaults on a payment to their "dealer".

[k4kathy]

k4kathy, look at my drug sub culture reply above. A look at sociological aspects should also be considered; given the volume of people in OK who are in a drug sub culture and don't realize it. I mean as an extention to say having a family member who is a tweaker, the innocent family member may be killed (as happens often enough here in Tucson) if the tweaker defaults on a payment to their "dealer".I agree.I have thought that drugs were somehow involved in this case from the beginning.
I have a few theories of my own which I haven't shared publicly due to the fact that I could be very wrong.At this point,I won't rule out any possibilties though...will keep a very open mind.

BTW... Happy New Year !! I wish everyone peace and happiness.

[Mysterylover]

ClayCat,
If he was there to deal drugs, I would think he lives locally.
From what I've read of your visit to the bridge, and the pictures I've seen, this is not a place that just anyone could find.

Since he had a 'meeting' there, he would have to be familiar with the area.

So, now the killer(s) know that someone can identify them.

If he wasn't part of the shootings, I think he's gone, he running, and not from the police. The police are probably the least of his worries right now.
But what really amazes me, is that someone else knows this guy in the truck.
There are others who might have had dealings with him, are his neighbors, work with him??
Seems to me that somebody knows more than has been told. Someone can identify the POI. Perhaps he's not a suspect, but LE just wants to interview him. I would hope that someone would call LE and give them this info, even if they don't reveal their identity....

Has anyone heard why the Uncle was on that road around that same time?..:waitasec:

[Ruflossn]

Has anyone heard why the Uncle was on that road around that same time?..:waitasec:

This is a question that we all have wondered. No one seems to be able to tell us. So frustrating!!!!

[GetSmart]

I find it interesting that in the very beginning the LE said he thought they stumbled upon something..

This article below touches on the "came upon something idea..but it is not the article I was thinking of ...there was one written like on the first day after
http://www.newsok.com/clues-sought-in-slaying-of-girls-in-weleetka/article/3255420

Investigators spent most of the evening Sunday looking for clues in the area where the girls were found. Tire tracks preserved before heavy rains hit the area late Sunday show that a vehicle traveled down the road, then turned around near the ditch where the girls were found.
"We're not sure whether it was somebody passing by," Ross said. "It's an active area for people to throw from the bridge, shoot from the bridge."
Ross said the road, while remote, the road gets a fair amount of local traffic. The investigation so far has been focused on people who may live in the area or be familiar with the country roads.
"It's not likely someone pulled of the interstate or the highway and just stopped there," Ross said. "It's possible they went to meet somebody, or interrupted something or maybe it was a personal attack."

[k4kathy]

Has anyone heard why the Uncle was on that road around that same time?..:waitasec:I've wondered the same thing,Mysterylover.
Also,I'm still confused about the initial 911 call.PP said he was alone when he discovered the girls's bodies and called 911.But we all know it was VP's voice on the 911 recording released to the media.And who's cellphone was used to make the call?

[Mysterylover]

I've wondered the same thing,Mysterylover.
Also,I'm still confused about the initial 911 call.
PP said he was alone when he discovered the girls's bodies and called 911.
But we all know it was VP's voice on the 911 recording released to the media.
And who's cellphone was used to make the call?....

K4Kathy, I agree, seems very confusing, for a case that should be very simple.
I have had questions on the 'time-line' from the very beginning.
IF PP was alone, where was Uncle J?

I feel certain someone in the P house knows WHY this murder happened...:doh:

[Missing Sarah]

You've just discribed my suspect "Jerry P."..
1. Loner
2. Social issues
3. Traverles the road quite often lives w/in a mile from the crime scene.
4. Violent temper, has quite a gun collection. Always, has a loaded gun handy in his car, or truck and has a tendency to use them to.
I wish, one of you would read all the charges against him in Okfuskee County...they range ..assault with a deadly weapon, to pointing a gun with intent ...to assault and batteries, restraining orders..you name it!!

[Missing Sarah]

http://www1.odcr.com/results.php?Page=0&PHPSESSID=PoNndHs9raMVzTvJhM1yTMQtBE8

[Claycat]

http://www1.odcr.com/results.php?Page=0&PHPSESSID=PoNndHs9raMVzTvJhM1yTMQtBE8

In spite of this, I can't find a record of him serving time. Isn't that strange? I wonder if he served any prison time at all?

[GetSmart]

Jerry P...Does any pics of him exist

[weleetka1]

MS, I noticed in your link it is Jerry D. P.. That was the name listed for his payment to the court for the Restraining Order. Is his place on the Okmulgee County side of the road, or Okfuskee? I haven't lived in Weleetka since the early 80's. When Dad passed away, mom remarried, and I really have been there bu about once year since. This P character must have been doing his misdeeds after that time, because I would have at least known of him, and avoided him. There is a Jerry D. P. on the ODOC Offender Lookup, but he's listed in Tulsa County. He was born in 1945. Is he that old? There is picture of that Jerry D. P.

[Missing Sarah]

Hello Weleetka1,
P's old home place is on the west side, both of his parents are deceased and he lives there alone. His sister Carolyn B. built a home on the family acreage, but needless to say, she was forced to vacate and move. You can see she has a permanent restraining order against JP.
I'd guess his shack would be about 1/4 mile S...SW...of the Plackers.
Again, he has ...and still is the only suspect that jumped out at me.
Back in the early 80s he was institutionalized...(attempted suicide)..at Carl Alberts mental hospital in McAlaster...while there he met a young lady ..with issues of her own...the two married...unfortuately they had 2 little girls. His mother finally couldn't stand the abuse anylonger...she called DHS and the girls were taken..the mother attended classes the DHS offered...and the girls were placed back into the home.
Later...because of sexual abuse ... the two girls were taken...and this time adopted out.
Sometime in the early 90s...Pamela P choked to death in the wee morning hours...while eating a WEINER.!!
Jerry P. is wicked.

[little726]

You've just discribed my suspect "Jerry P."..
1. Loner
2. Social issues
3. Traverles the road quite often lives w/in a mile from the crime scene.
4. Violent temper, has quite a gun collection. Always, has a loaded gun handy in his car, or truck and has a tendency to use them to.
I wish, one of you would read all the charges against him in Okfuskee County...they range ..assault with a deadly weapon, to pointing a gun with intent ...to assault and batteries, restraining orders..you name it!!

MS, Jerry P. is a very dangerous man. I noticed some of his cases were dismissed, one was found "not guilty" by a jury, and some don't even show a record for him.

I read somewhere, that OSBI has checked him out. Maybe LE is just waiting for him to screw up, again.

[weleetka1]

Howdy MS. I wonder if JP is an undiagnosed schitzophrenic? I remember once in Ada we were having Fuzzheads B-day around Deer Creek. We had some "party goods" besides beer, more like the fungal type (possibly). One of our "friends, a male about 23, and a gun nut, dissappeared. He had had some of the party goods. As we're wondering where this person is at, a gunshot (rifle) went between our group. Then we heard him yell from the tree line some kinda odd request, and then if we didn't honor it, the next round would find one of us. We unassed the place! I called his friend Connie, and she told us he was actually a diagnosed schitzophrenic! Wow. He didn't bother to communicate that critical information to us.

[GetSmart]

Wow MS with the info you gave I now remember Frog had serious concerns about this fellow too!!! hum...

weleetka1...LOL "party goods" besides beer, more like the fungal type (possibly).

Been there done that... My friend had a Saint Bernard and Lord they can dig a hole big enough to hold a VW..honest !! well she fell in one of the holes and we lost her for about 3 hours.... she was laughing and smoking her cigarette when we found her...Oh back in the day LOL

[weleetka1]

Well GS, I didn't want to incriminate myself. That why I bureaucratically encryted the "party goods" statement. It's funny; party goods were not illegal before the Pilgrams landed ... Ha. I checked your album. You are living the life! I love the desert, but I sure miss close availability of large bodies of water. My ex-wife in the 70's was pretty upset when I didn't hook back up with her in Bradenton. Tampa area is beautiful!