Maricopa Jane Doe 1999 Thread #5

[christine2448]

Please continue general discussion here.

[believe09]

let's think about the possibility that she was closer to 13 than 15...perhaps that is why she lied to the strip club saying she was 15...that would put her at the same age as the girl KTL was charged with trafficking...

[absinthe]

It kills me how young she was.

[not_my_kids]

Hi everyone, new-ish to the forums, not new to this case. She is one of my pet cases. I've got 2 questions, can anyone give me a simplified version of what has gone on in threads 3-5? Please? I'm starting to have brain malfunctions and info overload trying to read them all from the beginning. I'd really appreciate it. I got up to about the middle of Thread #3 and realized that I had not comprehended anything for the last dozen posts. I saw something here in this thread about a strip club? Can I get clued in on that at least?
next on the list of questions, have we been looking for people with major scars or birthmarks that were in the spot where our girl has her tattoo? It is possible that when she went missing she had a birthmark on her chest and covered it up with a tattoo. I'm sure somebody already brought that up and I missed it.
The work that has been done here already is truly amazing.

[not_my_kids]

And I came up with another question...I know... I am the genuine definition of PITA. Id there any way to get a listing of emancipated minors from the area from around that time? I think it might be a possibility.

[Cubby]

Hi not my kids, welcome to WS.

Somewhere in the LE report, a witness interviewed said MJD had applied to be a dancer at a Strip Club, but was denied because of her age. HTH.

I like your idea about emancipated minors.

[not_my_kids]

Ok, caught myself up, the questions still stand though.
Thanks Cubby.

[Zanko]

Ok, caught myself up, the questions still stand though.
Thanks Cubby.

I think if you asked 10 people, they'd have 10 different summations of threads 3 and 4, but here's a go:
We were considering contacting the female in the vehicle with MJD, her name is Lindsey. There was a possibility of getting some media attention through a reporter who was interested in interview someone local (Arizona) regarding Websleuths. The police report has been discussed at lengths. It was confirmed that there was a ring with the initials "DMA" on it. Someone in the police report claims that MJD went by the street name "Cory or Carla". MJD had real diamonds in the jewelry she carried. There has been some discussion about the driver of the vehicle. His name is Alonzo but he was referred to as "William" in one part of the police report.

What have I missed? Anyone want to add?

[christine2448]

I'd have to say there is much much more.....I just don't have time, sadly, to recap.

[believe09]

Hey guys: not to interupt but a huge child sex ring bust went down in the last few days and included perps picked up in Phoenix!!! http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/06/25/child.prostitutes/index.html

[Fairy1]

Welcome NMK - great to have new eyes, insight and determination here! Please let me know if you still have questions and I'll attempt to answer them for you. We now have seen the original police report and portions of the ME's report. I would like to know where LE stands on this investigation right now. Seems ADF and Lipsey have been in pretty consistent trouble since (and before!) MJD took that fatal flight out the window. I don't see Alonzo suddenly opening up much about it at this stage. But I do not believe Lipsey was sufficiently pursued in terms of his knowledge of and relationship with MJD. Since he seems to be in perpetual legal trouble, I sure wish LE would take an opportunity to negotiate for some concrete information.

BTW - I have read the police report completely twice now and still feel I'm missing something. Both times LE questioned Lipsey, they asked him if he knew Kansas City Slim or KC or KC Slim. I don't see anywhere where that came from. Does anyone know???

[Fairy1]

BTW - again - I like the idea of looking at emancipated teens as this is not something we have pursued before. It could explain why no one has been looking for her. However, I can't see any court granting emancipation to someone this young. I really don't know much about it, but I would assume the teen would have to prove they had somewhere safe to live and a legitimate way to earn a living. That would definitely not be a strip club or prostitution.

[believe09]

Maybe one or more of the pimps picked up just might remember our MJD-might be a good time for the reporter to poke around??

[believe09]

Welcome NMK - great to have new eyes, insight and determination here! Please let me know if you still have questions and I'll attempt to answer them for you. We now have seen the original police report and portions of the ME's report. I would like to know where LE stands on this investigation right now. Seems ADF and Lipsey have been in pretty consistent trouble since (and before!) MJD took that fatal flight out the window. I don't see Alonzo suddenly opening up much about it at this stage. But I do not believe Lipsey was sufficiently pursued in terms of his knowledge of and relationship with MJD. Since he seems to be in perpetual legal trouble, I sure wish LE would take an opportunity to negotiate for some concrete information.

BTW - I have read the police report completely twice now and still feel I'm missing something. Both times LE questioned Lipsey, they asked him if he knew Kansas City Slim or KC or KC Slim. I don't see anywhere where that came from. Does anyone know???

KC Slim and Kansas City Slim are aliases of his in the sex trade, I believe...

[VASHLEY88]

Welcome NMK - great to have new eyes, insight and determination here! Please let me know if you still have questions and I'll attempt to answer them for you. We now have seen the original police report and portions of the ME's report. I would like to know where LE stands on this investigation right now. Seems ADF and Lipsey have been in pretty consistent trouble since (and before!) MJD took that fatal flight out the window. I don't see Alonzo suddenly opening up much about it at this stage. But I do not believe Lipsey was sufficiently pursued in terms of his knowledge of and relationship with MJD. Since he seems to be in perpetual legal trouble, I sure wish LE would take an opportunity to negotiate for some concrete information.

BTW - I have read the police report completely twice now and still feel I'm missing something. Both times LE questioned Lipsey, they asked him if he knew Kansas City Slim or KC or KC Slim. I don't see anywhere where that came from. Does anyone know???


I was under the impression that KC Slim was a gang?.. or gang members affiliated in a gang

And I know in the state of AZ (however that may not be where she's from and I am aware that laws differ elsewhere) you must be at least 16 years of age with transportation, a valid address but you DO NOT have to be attending school.. however; you do have to work to provide adequate income. And I don't believe in 1999 the age of child emancipation was set at 16 because Janet Napolitano just recently changed that.. not sure if it was older or younger before..

in fact.. I don't think there was ever really a statute for it to be honest..

[believe09]

For the purposes of this board and the newbies, I would mention that there is a local reporter from Phoenix who is interviewing local WS'ers with MJD as a byline. Many of the sleuthers have put feelers out in Milwaukee among other places for missing foster children or organizations that are familiar with the sex industry and perhaps sex trafficking. FMW is the primary contact for the LE who is pursuing the case as an active investigation, and mod Christine 2448 is handling the reporter. Absinthe has the ME report and FmW the police report. We are still waiting for any photos they have to share, specifically ones that include articles of clothing, her jewelry and her possible pair of shoes from Alonzo's car. Our stated purpose is to try and ID this child, although it is hard not to quarterback the investigation into the events....She has fingerprints in AFIS and DNA in CODiS. LE checked her prints in local adult databases, but I think we still have a question mark if they ran them out of state....Last I heard, LE thinks she is from Mojave County, so we have ads on Craigslist asking for information.

[Fairy1]

For the purposes of this board and the newbies, I would mention that there is a local reporter from Phoenix who is interviewing local WS'ers with MJD as a byline. Many of the sleuthers have put feelers out in Milwaukee among other places for missing foster children or organizations that are familiar with the sex industry and perhaps sex trafficking. FMW is the primary contact for the LE who is pursuing the case as an active investigation, and mod Christine 2448 is handling the reporter. Absinthe has the ME report and FmW the police report. We are still waiting for any photos they have to share, specifically ones that include articles of clothing, her jewelry and her possible pair of shoes from Alonzo's car. Our stated purpose is to try and ID this child, although it is hard not to quarterback the investigation into the events....She has fingerprints in AFIS and DNA in CODiS. LE checked her prints in local adult databases, but I think we still have a question mark if they ran them out of state....Last I heard, LE thinks she is from Mojave County, so we have ads on Craigslist asking for information.

TYVM Believe! I would like to know where the Mohave County info came from. I still think the Craigslist posting is a good idea. Maybe we should fan out to Wisconsin??? Someone, somewhere knows who this baby is!

[Teresa Larson]

345 arrested, kids rescued in prostitution busts



Hundreds of people have been arrested and 21 children rescued in what the FBI is calling a five-day roundup of networks of pimps who force children into prostitution.
The Justice Department says it targeted 16 cities as part of its "Operation Cross Country" that caps off five years of similar stings nationwide.
Many of the children forced into prostitution are either runaways or what authorities call "thrown-aways" — kids whose families have shunned them. Officials say they are preyed upon by organized networks of pimps who lure them in with shelter or drugs, then often beat, starve or otherwise abuse them until the children agree to work the streets.
"We together have no higher calling than to protect our children and to safeguard their innocence," FBI Director Robert Mueller said Wednesday. "Yet the sex trafficking of children remains one of the most violent and unforgivable crimes in this country."
In all, authorities arrested 345 people — including 290 adult prostitutes — during the operation that ended this week. Since 2003, 308 pimps and hookers have been convicted in state and federal courts of forcing youngsters into prostitution, and 433 child victims have been rescued, Mueller said.
The cities targeted in this week's sting are: Atlanta; Boston; Dallas; Detroit; Houston; Las Vegas; Los Angeles; Miami; Montgomery County, Md.; Oakland, Calif.; Phoenix; Reno, Nev.; Sacramento, Calif.; Tampa; Toledo, Ohio and Washington.
The problem of child prostitution has taken on a new urgency in recent years with the growth of online networks where pimps advertise the youngsters to clients. The FBI generally investigates child prostitution cases that cross state lines.
The cases aren't easy to convict.
In April 2006, for example, charges against a Nevada man resulted in a hung jury after his 14-year-old victim refused to testify against him. Months later, however, a second jury found Juan Rico Doss of Reno, Nev., guilty of forcing two girls — ages 14 and 16 — to sell sex in Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco and Oakland.
A University of Pennsylvania study estimates nearly 300,000 children in the United States are at risk of being sexually exploited for commercial uses — "most of them runaways or thrown-aways," said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
"These kids are victims. This is 21st century slavery," Allen said. "They lack the ability to walk away."

[believe09]

TYVM Believe! I would like to know where the Mohave County info came from. I still think the Craigslist posting is a good idea. Maybe we should fan out to Wisconsin??? Someone, somewhere knows who this baby is!

I can do a copy paste unless someone else wants to give it a go? Let me know!

[BeavisMom62]

Christine, any updates on the reporter?

I just read believe's post where it was mentioned that we are waiting for any pictures. I could just picture all of us, if and when the pics are posted, with our noses pressed to the comp screen, staring and staring for hours at these pics that we have waited so eagerly for, for such a long time.

[believe09]

That just made me laugh out loud!!!

Christine, any updates on the reporter?

I just read believe's post where it was mentioned that we are waiting for any pictures. I could just picture all of us, if and when the pics are posted, with our noses pressed to the comp screen, staring and staring for hours at these pics that we have waited so eagerly for, for such a long time.

[Fairy1]

Just a thought - if MJD was a prostitute, why would she have been seeking employment at a strip club? I really don't think she was hooking - at least not yet. Or maybe she was just trying to get away from it. IDK - IDK - IDK!!!

[Zanko]

Just a thought - if MJD was a prostitute, why would she have been seeking employment at a strip club? I really don't think she was hooking - at least not yet. Or maybe she was just trying to get away from it. IDK - IDK - IDK!!!

Good catch! I didn't even think of that!

Did anyone ever figure out where the KC Slim/Kansas City Slim reference (in the police report) originated from?

[Fairy1]

Good catch! I didn't even think of that!

Did anyone ever figure out where the KC Slim/Kansas City Slim reference (in the police report) originated from?

I don't think the police report explains the nickname actually. But if that is Lipsey's street name, it would imply he's from Missouri - IMO. Great, another mystery! Jeez. LE needs to have a meaningful conversation with him.

[Cubby]

I don't think the police report explains the nickname actually. But if that is Lipsey's street name, it would imply he's from Missouri - IMO. Great, another mystery! Jeez. LE needs to have a meaningful conversation with him.

I agree! It occured too me she was too well groomed to be a hooker. How do we know the condoms weren't planted on her, or she just didn't carry them as a safety precaution, lots of teens are sexually active. Were the condom packages tested for prints? Who's were on them? With the shoes, how do we know they were MJD's and not LDJ'S? Did they have the same shoe size? Where they right size shoes for MJD?

[BeavisMom62]

That just made me laugh out loud!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[BeavisMom62]

I agree! It occured too me she was too well groomed to be a hooker. How do we know the condoms weren't planted on her, or she just didn't carry them as a safety precaution, lots of teens are sexually active. Were the condom packages tested for prints? Who's were on them? With the shoes, how do we know they were MJD's and not LDJ'S? Did they have the same shoe size? Where they right size shoes for MJD?
Were the condoms found ON her or with her, with all the other stuff that was found in the street? they may have been Lindseys? :waitasec:

[believe09]

Were the condoms found ON her or with her, with all the other stuff that was found in the street? they may have been Lindseys? :waitasec:

I am on the fence about them-if she had them on her, then to me I think it is interesting that she did not have them in her purse if she was simply a sexually active teenager...it pushes me to the possibility of her being a prostitute. They were found on the hwyetc...

[Fairy1]

I am on the fence about them-if she had them on her, then to me I think it is interesting that she did not have them in her purse if she was simply a sexually active teenager...it pushes me to the possibility of her being a prostitute. They were found on the hwy etc...

So are you thinking she had them in her pocket? That seems kind of odd to me, but I agree that if they were found on the highway, they would have been hers. Seems to me that if she did have a purse with her, she might have had the presence of mind to grab it before she jumped - if she did jump intentionally. I wonder how well LE searched the desert in the area for other personal effects??? I've always thought that ADF & LDJ had plenty of time to toss her stuff out the window before they were stopped. If I'm not mistaken, it would be nothing but desert between those mile markers. Her purse or backpack could have been anywhere in between. The police report did not say anything about them searching for her possessions.

[Cubby]

I am on the fence about them-if she had them on her, then to me I think it is interesting that she did not have them in her purse if she was simply a sexually active teenager...it pushes me to the possibility of her being a prostitute. They were found on the hwy etc...

Who's to say Alonzo didn't force her to take them during the argument? I'll only be convinced they were solely hers IF Alonzo's and/or LDJ's prints weren't on them. (Unless he was driving like a big shot with leather gloves)

ETA: How long was Alonzo in AZ? Where was he from prior to being there? IIRC LDJ stated she was only in AZ a few months. Was Alonzo from AZ? Most people in the Phoenix area are from other area's. If Alonzo wasn't born in AZ we should, imo, look into where he was from and put feelers out there.

[VASHLEY88]

So are you thinking she had them in her pocket? That seems kind of odd to me, but I agree that if they were found on the highway, they would have been hers. Seems to me that if she did have a purse with her, she might have had the presence of mind to grab it before she jumped - if she did jump intentionally. I wonder how well LE searched the desert in the area for other personal effects??? I've always thought that ADF & LDJ had plenty of time to toss her stuff out the window before they were stopped. If I'm not mistaken, it would be nothing but desert between those mile markers. Her purse or backpack could have been anywhere in between. The police report did not say anything about them searching for her possessions.

I have thought about this, too. Ugh, I don't feel this case was combed over well enough sometimes. There is still a great deal of "fill in the blanks", even with the police report. I find it odd that someone with no known residence would be getting in the car with someone without a purse, backpack or any type of personal belongings knowing that they were going across the country. That's why I don't believe ADF told her anything about going to Miami. Wouldn't she want to grab some items before she went? Or did he tell her he would buy her everything like tampons, shampoo, soap, clothing and make up-- you know.. "essentials" for girls.. with his lousy 100 bucks?

I strongly feel that there has to be some kind of missed personal effect if she was aware of going to Miami.

[Zanko]

It's bothered me that the things in the vehicle were released so quickly to LDJ. The trunk was said to have tote bags. How could LE tell who the bags belonged to? Plus the miscellaneous papers. There could be valuable information that could be gleaned from them helping to identify MJD. Why was the inventory so vague? It was clear from the get-go that MJD was not expected to regain consciousness. Does it seem to anyone else that this case was not treated with as much care as it might have been if she had died immediately upon impact? Did they drop the ball because they thought she was going to survive?

[VASHLEY88]

This is in response to the post above-- I think that maybe they did expect her to survive, after all.. she did survive for a day while not on life support.

Another thing I wanted to add is what was on that transaction when LDJ supposedly purchased some items at Ajax? Did she buy condoms? Did LDJ or ADF plant them on MJD to make it appear that she was already a hooker (assuming she was only being "groomed" or wasn't a prostitute at all). I don't know what that would prove but.. just a thought. Some of those purchased items may have been important. Like, perhaps they already knew MJD and LDJ went in and bought the condoms and gave a couple to MJD. That would change the whole sequence of events..

GAH!.. identity, not crime, I know.






I wonder how to get a hold of an emancipation list.. that was a brilliant idea. And it would make a lot of sense as to why no one was ID'ing her if she was vouching for herself legally..

[BeavisMom62]

This is in response to the post above-- I think that maybe they did expect her to survive, after all.. she did survive for a day while not on life support.

I wonder how to get a hold of an emancipation list.. that was a brilliant idea. And it would make a lot of sense as to why no one was ID'ing her if she was vouching for herself legally..

True, but even if she was emancipated, why wouldn't ANYONE be looking for her? Even if she had a falling out with her "family", you would think she would have friends or other relatives or co-workers, school mates, something? Sad to think she was so alone in the world.

[Fairy1]

It's bothered me that the things in the vehicle were released so quickly to LDJ. The trunk was said to have tote bags. How could LE tell who the bags belonged to? Plus the miscellaneous papers. There could be valuable information that could be gleaned from them helping to identify MJD. Why was the inventory so vague? It was clear from the get-go that MJD was not expected to regain consciousness. Does it seem to anyone else that this case was not treated with as much care as it might have been if she had died immediately upon impact? Did they drop the ball because they thought she was going to survive?

I totally agree! I think they dropped the ball because they thought she was just another hooker from the streets. Course they only had Alonzo's and Lindsey's statements to back that up initially. Seems to me they should have taken that with a grain of salt!

Did LE actually turn over the evidence they found in the car to LDJ or just the car itself? I was thinking they still had everything they took out of the car. Gosh I sure hope they didn't give her everything! I was bothered enough just knowing they gave her the car! And what ever happened to that car? If she flew home to Washington, she left the car in Arizona, right?

[Fairy1]

Hey Vashley - have you read anything on the ME report thread? Most of us haven't seen the entire report yet, but Absinthe and Believe have posted some of the info. Believe made a post earlier today that explained some of MJD's injuries. Can you take a look and let us know what you think? I find it really hard to believe the hospital ever thought she would survive, but I'm certainly no expert! Also, take a look a the drugs they found in her system in autopsy and tell us if you think they would have been administered by medical staff. And lastly, I'm not sure how long after the accident happened the autopsy was conducted, but I'm wondering if any of the drugs she allegedly did with ADF & LDJ would still have been in her system. Would the hospital have done a tox screen when they first brought her in? Sorry to be so needy - but I NEED ANSWERS!!! :blowkiss:

[Teresa Larson]

A lot of dancers are prostitutes also. It helps them get more clients. I have known several dancers that were prostitutes.

[VASHLEY88]

Hey Vashley - have you read anything on the ME report thread? Most of us haven't seen the entire report yet, but Absinthe and Believe have posted some of the info. Believe made a post earlier today that explained some of MJD's injuries. Can you take a look and let us know what you think? I find it really hard to believe the hospital ever thought she would survive, but I'm certainly no expert! Also, take a look a the drugs they found in her system in autopsy and tell us if you think they would have been administered by medical staff. And lastly, I'm not sure how long after the accident happened the autopsy was conducted, but I'm wondering if any of the drugs she allegedly did with ADF & LDJ would still have been in her system. Would the hospital have done a tox screen when they first brought her in? Sorry to be so needy - but I NEED ANSWERS!!! :blowkiss:

I know I should be answering this in the ME thread.. but the drug(s) listed in her system were antihistamine derivatives and/or numbing agent (Lidocaine) and the others seem to be administered possibly prior to blood transfusion, however I need to double-check that. None of the drugs listed really seem to have recreational value.. so I doubt she was using them to get "high". HOWEVER, if the Lidocaine was cut in cocaine, the cocaine could easily be out of her system within a couple of hours. If she smoked marijuana, it would most definitely be in her system but it's I hear it's not unusual for a ME to not screen for that since it's not potentially toxic. If she did any other drugs, the half-life varies depending on the substance, so I would need to know the time the autopsy was performed to be able to tell you if I thought she had possibly done any drugs prior to the incident. Metabolisms vary, too..

As far as her injuries go, she had some neck and of course head trauma-- the extent of her head trauma -- brain death-- would have definitely left her in a permanant vegetative state.. if she were on life support her heart and lungs may continue to function but she probably wouldn't regain consciousness..

So, what are we trying to find in the autopsy report, anyway?..

[Fairy1]

I know I should be answering this in the ME thread.. but the drug(s) listed in her system were antihistamine derivatives and/or numbing agent (Lidocaine) and the others seem to be administered possibly prior to blood transfusion, however I need to double-check that. None of the drugs listed really seem to have recreational value.. so I doubt she was using them to get "high". HOWEVER, if the Lidocaine was cut in cocaine, the cocaine could easily be out of her system within a couple of hours. If she smoked marijuana, it would most definitely be in her system but it's I hear it's not unusual for a ME to not screen for that since it's not potentially toxic. If she did any other drugs, the half-life varies depending on the substance, so I would need to know the time the autopsy was performed to be able to tell you if I thought she had possibly done any drugs prior to the incident. Metabolisms vary, too..

As far as her injuries go, she had some neck and of course head trauma-- the extent of her head trauma -- brain death-- would have definitely left her in a permanant vegetative state.. if she were on life support her heart and lungs may continue to function but she probably wouldn't regain consciousness..

So, what are we trying to find in the autopsy report, anyway?..

Thanks! I was mostly interested in any recreational drugs they may have found - to backup ADF & LDJ's statements. Mostly in relation to the stop at the residence for a drug buy. We were also trying to figure out her position when she went out the window. My DD got in my car last night and demonstrated how she thought MJD may have done sort of a somersault when she went out the window. We were attempting to determine her position when she went out the window - that would result in the major injuries to the back of her head rather than her face. Also, there was no indication she attempted to break her fall with her hands.

Not that the circumstances of her jump or push or fall will help us to determine who she is. I need to refocus......

[VASHLEY88]

If she had a lip augmentation, that could also explain the lidocaine..

just thought I'd throw that out there..

ETA- the swelling in her lip. She may have injured it before and was seen by urgent care.. assuming she was too young for plastic surgery..

[believe09]

If she had a lip augmentation, that could also explain the lidocaine..

just thought I'd throw that out there..

ETA- the swelling in her lip. She may have injured it before and was seen by urgent care.. assuming she was too young for plastic surgery..

i know i keep repeating this, but i think she was punched in the mouth

[VASHLEY88]

i know i keep repeating this, but i think she was punched in the mouth

So do I.

[Fairy1]

So do I.


Me three!

[VASHLEY88]

I know I need to refocus-- but hear me out-- if she was punched in the mouth prior to the accident, and went to urgent care and received treatment (Lidocaine).. she HAD to of given a name/social security/etc.

Or perhaps the lidocaine was from something completely different.. maybe administered by medical personnel (don't know why they'd give her numbing agent if she was unconscious and couldn't feel pain anyway)..

Could seriously be from cocaine, though.. her fat lip just throws me off.. I don't see how see received trauma to the back of her head/neck and got a fat lip in the process..

LDJ said something about her "messing with the wrong people"... ?



ETA

Notice the swelling in her face is OPPOSITE from the swollen lips?

[Fairy1]

I know I need to refocus-- but hear me out-- if she was punched in the mouth prior to the accident, and went to urgent care and received treatment (Lidocaine).. she HAD to of given a name/social security/etc.

Or perhaps the lidocaine was from something completely different.. maybe administered by medical personnel (don't know why they'd give her numbing agent if she was unconscious and couldn't feel pain anyway)..

Could seriously be from cocaine, though.. her fat lip just throws me off.. I don't see how see received trauma to the back of her head/neck and got a fat lip in the process..

LDJ said something about her "messing with the wrong people"... ?



ETA

Notice the swelling in her face is OPPOSITE from the swollen lips?

They said the swelling on the right side of her face was due to leakage of spinal cord fluid. I am inclined to believe that Alonzo hit her in the mouth and that was what scared her enough to jump out the window. That's just my guess.

[Marstan]

Good catch! I didn't even think of that!

Did anyone ever figure out where the KC Slim/Kansas City Slim reference (in the police report) originated from?

Lipsey contacted LE himself. He said he did not know the girl but that someone called KC Slim or Kansas City Slim would probably know. He denied knowing MJD. However, he is going to trial on July 15 for pandering underage girls, pimping in other words, along with four other females. This guy knows something that is for sure.

The guy that owned the automobile sales place said MJD was fighting/arguing with a guy in front of his shop, he said a guy drove up in a blue Cadillac and drove away with MJD. He did not give a description of the driver of the car but said the guy had dark curly hair. (Is that correct?) I want to know who she was fighting with when Alonzo picked her up, was it Lipsey? Since I have not seen a picture of Lipsey, I have no idea but it could be possible it was him.

[Teresa Larson]

Kelly went to court today also.

[VASHLEY88]

They said the swelling on the right side of her face was due to leakage of spinal cord fluid. I am inclined to believe that Alonzo hit her in the mouth and that was what scared her enough to jump out the window. That's just my guess.

Oh yeeah.. hmmmmmmmmmmmm...

[Marstan]

Kelly went to court today also.

I believe that was for the defense to show their evidence and witness list as they had not given anything to the prosecution.

I also want to throw this out at y'all. What if, when MJD was being pushed or she jumped out of the window, she grabbed the necklace from Lindsey Dejong's neck? Otherwise, as she was skidding down the road there would at least be a tear around her neck where the chain caused more friction and a cut could be found there. However, if it came off of LD, then there would be no marks on MJD's neck.

Those of you that have copies of the ME report could you please send me a copy? Or at least look at any injuries she may have had in her neck area.

Thanks.

[Zanko]

The car dealership guy said that the light skinned black man fighting with MJD was the same one that was on the T.V. My understanding is that Alonzo was interviewed on T.V. regarding this "fall". It'd be interesting if we could see a copy of the interview. Especially and uncut version. I'd like to read his body language.

[Teresa Larson]

Is this the same person??? :waitasec:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32024859 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32024859)

[Fairy1]

Lipsey contacted LE himself. He said he did not know the girl but that someone called KC Slim or Kansas City Slim would probably know. He denied knowing MJD. However, he is going to trial on July 15 for pandering underage girls, pimping in other words, along with four other females. This guy knows something that is for sure.

The guy that owned the automobile sales place said MJD was fighting/arguing with a guy in front of his shop, he said a guy drove up in a blue Cadillac and drove away with MJD. He did not give a description of the driver of the car but said the guy had dark curly hair. (Is that correct?) I want to know who she was fighting with when Alonzo picked her up, was it Lipsey? Since I have not seen a picture of Lipsey, I have no idea but it could be possible it was him.

Are you sure about this? The police report clearly states - twice - that LE asked Lipsey if he knew Kansas City Slim. Why would he have voluntarily stepped up if he had nothing to add and no idea who MJD was?

I too would like to know who she was supposedly fighting with. It sort of sounded like it was Alonzo - which makes me POSITIVE he did know her name. On the other hand, if it was her pimp (Lipsey - IMO), Alonzo surely would have seen that as an opportunity to move in and recruit her.

[Teresa Larson]

Kelly never volunteered any information When asked if he knew MJD or K C Slim he said no. Another prostitute (Robin Angers aka Robin White) who they spoke with was the one that told police that Kelly was MJD's pimp. She said she'd even testify to this.

[Zanko]

Someone posted something that gave me a sort of "ah-ha" moment. There was no evidence that she put her hands out when she "fell" out of the vehicle! Who doesn't put up their hands to brace themselves in a fall? I'm beginning to believe that she wasn't fully conscious in the vehicle and was tossed out to cover up the fact that she'd already received a blow (or blows) to the head. This would also give them plenty of time to coordinate their stories. If you've obviously inflicted serious harm to someone, it might be feasible to toss them out of a car window and hope that they'd be found and it would be assumed that they were hit in traffic. I mean, "she jumped out of the window" sounds like a lame excuse for being caught in this sort of plot. JMO.

[Cubby]

And we know RA is actually RW AND that she too was working as a prostitute? Do you have a link? I saw some arrest records for her for forgery, but that was all, and I thought she was someone who resided in the immediate area of the store LDJ went in.

[Auburnmommyof2]

I believe that was for the defense to show their evidence and witness list as they had not given anything to the prosecution.

I also want to throw this out at y'all. What if, when MJD was being pushed or she jumped out of the window, she grabbed the necklace from Lindsey Dejong's neck? Otherwise, as she was skidding down the road there would at least be a tear around her neck where the chain caused more friction and a cut could be found there. However, if it came off of LD, then there would be no marks on MJD's neck.

Those of you that have copies of the ME report could you please send me a copy? Or at least look at any injuries she may have had in her neck area.

Thanks.
I'm curious if the chain necklace was broken, or removed my first responders?

[Auburnmommyof2]

I also am curious if they found anything under her fingernails that would indicate a fight?

[Teresa Larson]

And we know RA is actually RW AND that she too was working as a prostitute? Do you have a link? I saw some arrest records for her for forgery, but that was all, and I thought she was someone who resided in the immediate area of the store LDJ went in.


It's on the police report and yes she did live in the area. I found out she has the alias when I did a search for her police record. There is a picture of her too.

[Fairy1]

Kelly never volunteered any information When asked if he knew MJD or K C Slim he said no. Another prostitute (Robin Angers aka Robin White) who they spoke with was the one that told police that Kelly was MJD's pimp. She said she'd even testify to this.

The report does not state that RA was a prostitute. She said she would testify that Lipsey was MJD's pimp.

[Teresa Larson]

If you go here and type in her name check the alias box and the inactive box it will bring it up about Robin http://www.inmatesplus.com/

[Cubby]

Thank you. I thought she was a resident of the area, and did not recall the report indicating in any way she was a prostitute.

Now, if she was willing to testify that Lipsey was in fact MJD's pimp, I wonder what additional info she might know about MJD or Lipsey. A time line of some sort? Did she know where MJD resided?

I think she would be an asset if we could find a way to contact her. Maybe she recalls some things that LE did not ask, or she did not feel relevent which may in fact be so.

[Teresa Larson]

The report does not state that RA was a prostitute. She said she would testify that Lipsey was MJD's pimp.


Oppps! Yes you are right!! I guess I just assumed that she was a prostitute also since she lived in the area and knew about MJD trying to get the dancing job.

[VASHLEY88]

Thank you. I thought she was a resident of the area, and did not recall the report indicating in any way she was a prostitute.

Now, if she was willing to testify that Lipsey was in fact MJD's pimp, I wonder what additional info she might know about MJD or Lipsey. A time line of some sort? Did she know where MJD resided?

I think she would be an asset if we could find a way to contact her. Maybe she recalls some things that LE did not ask, or she did not feel relevent which may in fact be so.

Good idea..

[Fairy1]

It's on the police report and yes she did live in the area. I found out she has the alias when I did a search for her police record. There is a picture of her too.

It is in the report that she lived in the area - hence the questioning. It does not state she was a prostitute. Read it again. Not that it's relevent, but if you're going to make statements in your posts, they should be factual.

[Fairy1]

Good idea..

Her phone number is included in the police report. Doubt it's still good, but we can try!

[Cubby]

Thanks Fairy and Vashley. I don't think that tele would still be current.

Let's put a list of questions together......

Getting too late for me to think right now- and I took something to try to get to sleep, so will see what I can dig up tomorrow.

[VASHLEY88]

Thanks Fairy and Vashley. I don't think that tele would still be current.

Let's put a list of questions together......

Getting too late for me to think right now- and I took something to try to get to sleep, so will see what I can dig up tomorrow.

Sounds like a good idea. Wonder how we can get a current number?

[christine2448]

I am so tired, but trying to keep up with y'all....all I can manage is :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

Sounds like a good idea. Wonder how we can get a current number?

I just called the number that's listed in the report. No answer or answering machine, but it's still a good number. I'll try again tomorrow.

[Fairy1]

I am so tired, but trying to keep up with y'all....all I can manage is :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

Good enough for me!

[Cubby]

Fairy - did you check a reverse directory to see who the number is currently registered too? I'm too tired to look now, but I know a few exist.

[Fairy1]

Fairy - did you check a reverse directory to see who the number is currently registered too? I'm too tired to look now, but I know a few exist.

No - I don't know how to do that!

[Cubby]

No - I don't know how to do that!


let me find it, since you have the tele.... bbs.

ETA: Here is one, don't know if they are pay or not.
http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/

here is the reverse white pages.
http://www.whitepages.com/reverse_phone

I'm sure she is still in the PHX area.... and I think a few members here have access to pay sites if we need them.

[Fairy1]

let me find it, since you have the tele.... bbs.


OK - area code will be 602....

[Fairy1]

Is this the same person??? :waitasec:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32024859 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=32024859)

I don't think she's old enough. LDJ would be 27 or 28 by now.

[absinthe]

Thanks y'all...great work..

[VASHLEY88]

OK - area code will be 602....

Thanks Fairy and Cubby! :blowkiss:

If I knew how to do all of that, I would but Fairy, if you want to give me any numbers in case you come up with a bunch, let me know so we can work between the two of us to knock them out.

Glad to be active on the case again!

[Cubby]

according to white pages the tele on the LE report is non published.

Will dig around tomorrow to see who has access to pay sites to help get some info.

YW Vashley!

[Fairy1]

according to white pages the tele on the LE report is non published.

Will dig around tomorrow to see who has access to pay sites to help get some info.

YW Vashley!

I will PM you the number. I would love to reach Robin - she had a lot of information at the time!

[Cubby]

Got your pm thanks.

For anyone searching, RA is listed both with an I and Y. There is also another RL White with a different birth year (69). Our RLA/W has a birth year of 71.

The W may be a married name or maiden name....

Some of the questions I would have for RA would include
MJD's residence. Where did she stay, who was she staying with?
How long had you seen her in the area (weeks, months)?
Did she notice MJD usually wearing a chain or necklace with a ring? ( in case MJD tore the chain off LDJ's neck while leaving the car)
Notice a regional accent.
Did she mention any old bf, family, schools, area she may have came from, reason she left? A sibling or family member she was particularly fond of.A regional accent?
or anything that might help ID her.
I might also ask what she might recall- just let her talk, which could lead to more questions if something stands out.

For all we know, RA may not be aware MJD remains unidentified.

Which leads me thinking again about the LE report and releasing the car and contents so quickly. Did LE process everything in the car- bags etc. before it was returned? I can't help but think LE's immediate reaction was to process the "crime" scene and if this little girl hadn't already been reported missing, she would be in a few days. I don't believe they thought at the time, this gal would be UI'd 10 years later.


RA might also be an excellent resource to help with some of the composite pictures and which most closely resemble MJD. Or some of the possible matches, we don't know to have been positively eliminated.

[fmw63]

Lipsey contacted LE himself.

Nope. One detective had gotten info that Lipsey might know something. That detective then contacted the one writing that particular report. Then they both visited Lipsey.

[quote]

The reference to a light-skinned black man was made by a resident of the nearby apartments:
:rolleyes:

[Fairy1]

Got your pm thanks.

For anyone searching, R is listed both with an I and Y. There is also another RL White with a different birth year (69). Our RLA/W has a birth year of 71.

The W may be a married name or maiden name....

Some of the questions I would have for RA would include
MJD's residence. Where did she stay, who was she staying with?
How long had you seen her in the area (weeks, months)?
Did she notice MJD usually wearing a chain or necklace with a ring? ( in case MJD tore the chain off LDJ's neck while leaving the car)
Notice a regional accent.
Did she mention any old bf, family, schools, area she may have came from, reason she left? A sibling or family member she was particularly fond of.A regional accent?
or anything that might help ID her.
I might also ask what she might recall- just let her talk, which could lead to more questions if something stands out.

For all we know, RA may not be aware MJD remains unidentified.

Which leads me thinking again about the LE report and releasing the car and contents so quickly. Did LE process everything in the car- bags etc. before it was returned? I can't help but think LE's immediate reaction was to process the "crime" scene and if this little girl hadn't already been reported missing, she would be in a few days. I don't believe they thought at the time, this gal would be UI'd 10 years later.


RA might also be an excellent resource to help with some of the composite pictures and which most closely resemble MJD. Or some of the possible matches, we don't know to have been positively eliminated.

Great questions and points Cubby! I was thinking tonight that she had to have been living somewhere. We need to find out where - the lanlord may not have been made aware of what happened and they may have wondered what happened to her? Or other tenants. Robin may very well have some answers!

[Fairy1]

Nope. One detective had gotten info that Lipsey might know something. That detective then contacted the one writing that particular report. Then they both visited Lipsey.



Nope again. The auto dealer manager said he saw ")

The reference to a light-skinned black man was made by a resident of the nearby apartments:
:rolleyes:

This is the part that confuses me! Was she fighting with Lipsey and then got into the car with Alonzo or was she fighting with Alonzo? Who was the guy the other guy saw on the news???

[fmw63]

Great questions and points Cubby! I was thinking tonight that she had to have been living somewhere. We need to find out where - the lanlord may not have been made aware of what happened and they may have wondered what happened to her? Or other tenants. Robin may very well have some answers!


Hmmm. Just thought of something - if she was (allegedly) so eager to leave on a road trip, then maybe anyone who knew her also knew of her desire to leave and might not have known she was really missing...:waitasec:

[Fairy1]

Hmmm. Just thought of something - if she was (allegedly) so eager to leave on a road trip, then maybe anyone who knew her also knew of her desire to leave and might not have known she was really missing...:waitasec:

Honestly, I don't think she had any knowledge or intention of leaving town with them. I think she got into the car to party with them and they tried to recruit her and take off with her and she freaked when she figured it out. That' just MO.

[fmw63]

This is the part that confuses me! Was she fighting with Lipsey and then got into the car with Alonzo or was she fighting with Alonzo? Who was the guy the other guy saw on the news???

Just a guess here - the man arguing was id'd by the auto dealer mgr as the one "on tv", which would have been Alonzo. (This questioning was Thursday, the same day as Alonzo's tv interview) Now, he couldn't id either girl as MJD, but one girl's size and color of clothing matched MJD's. Neither witness said anything about a car driving up and anyone getting in.
I wonder what kind of car Lipsey had?

[Fairy1]

Just a guess here - the man arguing was id'd by the auto dealer mgr as the one "on tv", which would have been Alonzo. (This questioning was Thursday, the same day as Alonzo's tv interview) Now, he couldn't id either girl as MJD, but one girl's size and color of clothing matched MJD's. Neither witness said anything about a car driving up and anyone getting in.
I wonder what kind of car Lipsey had?

IDK - but the description of the car matches Alonzo's car. Seems to me if Alonzo and MJD had something to fight about, he knew her damn name!

[fmw63]

Before it was registered in Phoenix in Dec 1998, it was in Skokie, IL. Registered again in Aug 1999 in Phoenix, then Sept 1999 in Nine Mile Falls, WA, then totalled in 2000.

Hmmm. Skokie's only an hour & a half from Milwaukee, but almost 1800 miles from Phoenix.:waitasec:

or maybe I should sleep now, it's after 2am.:Banane37:

[christine2448]

I am so confused...who is Robyn??

[phenolred]

I am so confused...who is Robyn??

She was a witness that was interviewed in the police report. She indicated some info re: MJD. She stated Lipsey was MJD's Pimp and would even testify to that...I cant remember what else she said in the report. But it seems she knew enough and might know more, maybe LE didnt know at the time to ask her certain questions.

She was pretty forth coming in the report and would probably be an assest to ask further questions.

[BeavisMom62]

I know I need to refocus-- but hear me out-- if she was punched in the mouth prior to the accident, and went to urgent care and received treatment (Lidocaine).. she HAD to of given a name/social security/etc.

Or perhaps the lidocaine was from something completely different.. maybe administered by medical personnel (don't know why they'd give her numbing agent if she was unconscious and couldn't feel pain anyway)..

Could seriously be from cocaine, though.. her fat lip just throws me off.. I don't see how see received trauma to the back of her head/neck and got a fat lip in the process..

LDJ said something about her "messing with the wrong people"... ?



ETA

Notice the swelling in her face is OPPOSITE from the swollen lips?

Lidocaine is also used to treat cardiac arrythmia, which I could imagine might have been a problem for her after such a massive trauma.

[believe09]

I believe that was for the defense to show their evidence and witness list as they had not given anything to the prosecution.

I also want to throw this out at y'all. What if, when MJD was being pushed or she jumped out of the window, she grabbed the necklace from Lindsey Dejong's neck? Otherwise, as she was skidding down the road there would at least be a tear around her neck where the chain caused more friction and a cut could be found there. However, if it came off of LD, then there would be no marks on MJD's neck.

Those of you that have copies of the ME report could you please send me a copy? Or at least look at any injuries she may have had in her neck area.

Thanks.

I do not believe that the necklace came off, but I believe it was removed for treatment at the scene by the emt's...like her clothing was removed. JMO

[believe09]

Lidocaine is also used to treat cardiac arrythmia, which I could imagine might have been a problem for her after such a massive trauma.

This is my vote.

[phenolred]

I think the Lidocaine was given via IV during intubation, everything I have found so far in terms of Intubating a head trauma patient indicates Lidocaine is given IV proir to intubation esp in head traumas because they feel it help decrease intercranial pressure.

It is well known that laryngeal instrumentation and endotracheal intubation is associated with a marked, transient rise in intracranial pressure (ICP). Patients with head injury requiring endotracheal intubation are considered particularly at risk from this transient rise in ICP as it reduces cerebral perfusion and thus may increase secondary brain injury. The favoured method for securing a definitive airway in this patient group is by rapid sequence intubation (RSI). In the United States the Emergency Airway Course teaches emergency physicians to routinely administer intravenous lidocaine as a pre treatment for RSI in this patient group in an attempt to attenuate this rise in ICP.

http://emj.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/18/6/453

[Cubby]

Before it was registered in Phoenix in Dec 1998, it was in Skokie, IL. Registered again in Aug 1999 in Phoenix, then Sept 1999 in Nine Mile Falls, WA, then totalled in 2000.

Hmmm. Skokie's only an hour & a half from Milwaukee, but almost 1800 miles from Phoenix.:waitasec:

or maybe I should sleep now, it's after 2am.:Banane37:

Interesting! Does this report also state who the car was registered to at the time? (I couldn't find any that weren't pay sites. :banghead: ) Was the car registered to Alonzo in Skokie?

[phenolred]

P.S. Robin, Robyn is also the one who said MJDs name was Cory or Carla

[christine2448]

Thanks pheno.

[fmw63]

Interesting! Does this report also state who the car was registered to at the time? (I couldn't find any that weren't pay sites. :banghead: ) Was the car registered to Alonzo in Skokie?

Don't know. I'll ask the detective if he can check this out next time I talk to him.

[VASHLEY88]

This is my vote.

Probably right. I was just thinking about this because if the lidocaine was topically applied (which it would be in incidents where skin irritation was present.. e.g. if she was punched in the mouth), there probably wouldn't be enough to show up in the tox screen. It was most likely given intravenously by the emergency department because of her low heart rate. I didn't even think about that.

Thanks BM62!

[Lucy's mom]

I spoke to Kevin Hughes who was the lead detective on the Doris Ann Mcleod case. What a nice guy. Anyway, we can eliminate Doris' sister (Shanna) as MJD as he is in contact with her. I am going to send him the link to this website as he was interested in taking a look and learning more about the case. I told him that there might be a possible Wisconsin connection and that peaked his interest. BTW, it is Doris' birthday today. RIP Doris.

[Lucy's mom]

True, but even if she was emancipated, why wouldn't ANYONE be looking for her? Even if she had a falling out with her "family", you would think she would have friends or other relatives or co-workers, school mates, something? Sad to think she was so alone in the world.
One thing that Det. Hughes did ask was the condition of her teeth. I remember someone saying that her teeth were in good condition (from the ME report). He said that it sounds like she was most likely a foster child as they take good care of dental and medical while in foster care. That could also explain why no one is looking for her (parents, siblings, friends).

[Cubby]

Lucy'smom, Thanks for the update! I was just wondering about this last night. :blowkiss:

On another note, I have come up with NADA on finding Robin. :banghead:
Maybe someone else can take a stab at it.

[VASHLEY88]

One thing that Det. Hughes did ask was the condition of her teeth. I remember someone saying that her teeth were in good condition (from the ME report). He said that it sounds like she was most likely a foster child as they take good care of dental and medical while in foster care. That could also explain why no one is looking for her (parents, siblings, friends).

I know of a foster care family in Yuma, AZ. I used to be very good friends with some of the girls.. but this was probably close to 7 years ago. I wonder if the family still resides there. I'd like to contact them, even though we suspect MJD may be from Wisconsin just to see if they can lead me in the right direction. I doubt MJD ever lived with them, but I guess it's worth a shot. They may be able to pass her picture/info along to social services or something. What do you guys think?

[Cubby]

I know of a foster care family in Yuma, AZ. I used to be very good friends with some of the girls.. but this was probably close to 7 years ago. I wonder if the family still resides there. I'd like to contact them, even though we suspect MJD may be from Wisconsin just to see if they can lead me in the right direction. I doubt MJD ever lived with them, but I guess it's worth a shot. They may be able to pass her picture/info along to social services or something. What do you guys think?


It's worth a try! Heck, at this point just about anything is worth a try.

[VASHLEY88]

It's worth a try! Heck, at this point just about anything is worth a try.

I don't know how to do the whole yellow or white pages thing on how you guys get current numbers and stuff nor do I have time right now, but if I can PM someone with their names and area code, would someone be willing to try and get me their number?

[VASHLEY88]

Wisconsin Child Welfare Bureau emailed me back and forwarded MJD's information to the legal counsel and they will further assist us.

I am not allowed to post the email because of confidentiality issues.. :waitasec:

ETA

I cannot post everything, but the email sounds promising. They are contacting other counties in Wisconsin if nothing comes up for Milwaukee and said someone will be getting back to me. Let's keep our fingers crossed!

[Auburnmommyof2]

Wisconsin Child Welfare Bureau emailed me back and forwarded MJD's information to the legal counsel and they will further assist us.

I am not allowed to post the email because of confidentiality issues.. :waitasec:

ETA

I cannot post everything, but the email sounds promising. They are contacting other counties in Wisconsin if nothing comes up for Milwaukee and said someone will be getting back to me. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
Thank you!

[christine2448]

Wisconsin Child Welfare Bureau emailed me back and forwarded MJD's information to the legal counsel and they will further assist us.

I am not allowed to post the email because of confidentiality issues.. :waitasec:

ETA

I cannot post everything, but the email sounds promising. They are contacting other counties in Wisconsin if nothing comes up for Milwaukee and said someone will be getting back to me. Let's keep our fingers crossed!


Awesome! :woohoo:

[Cubby]

Awesome Vashley! TY so much! :blowkiss:

[VASHLEY88]

New possibilities for MJD on ME website.. interesting.. check it out..



WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING THE POSSIBILITY SHE MIGHT BE: Ekaterina Shcherbakova, Jaycee Dugard, Amber Crum, Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias, Heather Silver, Michaela Garecht, Amber Jean Swartz Garcia, Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Monique Daniels, Kaelin Glazier

[BeavisMom62]

I see Michaela is still a contender. She was one of my favorites but I always thought Ekaterina looked so much like our MJD. Glad to see she is on the list too. Vashley, is there a link?

[christine2448]

New possibilities for MJD on ME website.. interesting.. check it out..



WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING THE POSSIBILITY SHE MIGHT BE: Ekaterina Shcherbakova, Jaycee Dugard, Amber Crum, Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias, Heather Silver, Michaela Garecht, Amber Jean Swartz Garcia, Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Monique Daniels, Kaelin Glazier

Bolded are ones turned in by us, not sure about the others. I recall Amber Jean...I thought she had been ruled out already.....what others ones y'all? I can't recall.

[BeavisMom62]

We also looked at Jaycee Dugard, AMber Crum (I think) and Heather Silver off the top of my head.

[VASHLEY88]

I thought Monique Daniels was also turned in by us?

[christine2448]

I see Michaela is still a contender. She was one of my favorites but I always thought Ekaterina looked so much like our MJD. Glad to see she is on the list too. Vashley, is there a link?


(http://www.maricopa.gov/Medex/Unidentified/search.aspx?caseNum=99-0305)

[VASHLEY88]

Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias,Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Kaelin Glazier.. these are the ones I don't quite recall..

Kaelin Glazier seems like a possibility.

http://www.unsolved-crimes.com/glazier.html

[christine2448]

Lisa Zaharias & Shannon Marie Sherrill sound familiar, but can't be 100% we discussed them. They don't call me Dory fer nothin'.

[Cubby]

Wisconsin Child Welfare Bureau emailed me back and forwarded MJD's information to the legal counsel and they will further assist us.

I am not allowed to post the email because of confidentiality issues.. :waitasec:

ETA

I cannot post everything, but the email sounds promising. They are contacting other counties in Wisconsin if nothing comes up for Milwaukee and said someone will be getting back to me. Let's keep our fingers crossed!


Thanks for the update! I'm glad they are looking into some of these girls who went missing at such young ages. It occured to me MJD wasn't reported missing around the time of the accident because whoever had her did not have legal custody of her. And, in the case of parental or stranger abduction MJD was already listed as missing - does that make sense? Or whoever had her did not have legal custody or guardianship and was unable to file a missing persons report.

[phenolred]

Lisa Zaharias & Shannon Marie Sherrill sound familiar, but can't be 100% we discussed them. They don't call me Dory fer nothin'.

Shannon Sherrill is a very familiar one to me she went missing as a small child in the 80's It was a small town here in Indiana,

I dont think she resembles her at and I cant remember off the top of my head how old but it seems like she would be to old to be a match

also, Maybe she rings a bell because several years ago there was a lady from the internet that called her family pretending to be Shannon.

She was later arrested and brought here Indiana to face charges for doing that to the girls family

here is a link to her story
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sherrill_shannon.html

[Fairy1]

Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias,Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Kaelin Glazier.. these are the ones I don't quite recall..

Kaelin Glazier seems like a possibility.

http://www.unsolved-crimes.com/glazier.html




Sadly - Kaelin was found deceased this past April - victim of homicide. :mad:

[VASHLEY88]

Sadly - Kaelin was found deceased this past April - victim of homicide. :mad:

Oooh, I didn't know that. That's terrible.. :mad:

Guess she will soon be taken off ME's list

[Lucy's mom]

Sadly - Kaelin was found deceased this past April - victim of homicide. :mad:
Here's the link regarding Kaelin's death...

http://www.co.jackson.or.us/Page.asp?NavID=2329

[Auburnmommyof2]

I still think it would be very helpful to see a picture of the girl LE first thought was MJD but was located in jail in Texas. This would help us have a good visual of MJD, imo.

[Auburnmommyof2]

Christine, I just sent you a message on YIM

[phenolred]

I dont see Coral Hall listed as being in the process of testing

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hall_coral.html

[Cubby]

I dont see Coral Hall listed as being in the process of testing

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hall_coral.html

Wasn't it recently posted somewhere LE is working on confirmed sightings of Coral in NE Indiana- Merriville and Gary- after she went missing. She was sighted with another runaway with her, along with an adult male. they were spotted at a Motel. There was a link with the post, I just can't seem to find it right now.

[MsRyber]

I am on the fence about them-if she had them on her, then to me I think it is interesting that she did not have them in her purse if she was simply a sexually active teenager...it pushes me to the possibility of her being a prostitute. They were found on the hwy with the general trail of her blood, clothing, skin etc...


She was wearing a black skirt. Not sure if the skirt even had pockets.

But again, I think that just a normally sexually active teenager wouldn't be hanging around the people she was, going to known drug houses, etc.
Just too far out there, IMO.
She may not have been a very experienced girl on the street (13-15years old, still shocking to me), but she obviously knew enough about the trade to get to where she was.

[Zanko]

Since these names were just added to the ME's site, why would Kaelin Glazier be listed? Do they not know she was found deceased in April? Did I miss something?

[MsRyber]

Honestly, I don't think she had any knowledge or intention of leaving town with them. I think she got into the car to party with them and they tried to recruit her and take off with her and she freaked when she figured it out. That' just MO.

I agree. Seems more logical.

[Lucy's mom]

Hi all,

Besides Kelly Lipsey (the pimp) being from Wisconsin, was there anything else that connected MJD to that state? It's so hard to go from post to post to find more connections so I was hoping that someone here might know. Our detective friend in Dane County, Kevin Hughes, is inquiring. :blowkiss:

[Cubby]

Hi all,

Besides Kelly Lipsey (the pimp) being from Wisconsin, was there anything else that connected MJD to that state? It's so hard to go from post to post to find more connections so I was hoping that someone here might know. Our detective friend in Dane County, Kevin Hughes, is inquiring. :blowkiss:


Not sure if this will help, but Lipsey was arrested for trafficking 3 or 4 IIRC minor girls from "back east" as prostitutes. One was 13, one or two of the girls were never identified- by name. LE, FMW63 is the one who has been in most contact with the detective/LE working on this case in AZ and has more details regarding that particular arrest. Perhaps she could answer some of your questions in more detail. Maybe send her a pm.

HTH and please Thank Detective Hughes for taking the time to look at this!

:blowkiss:

[Lucy's mom]

Not sure if this will help, but Lipsey was arrested for trafficking 3 or 4 IIRC minor girls from "back east" as prostitutes. One was 13, one or two of the girls were never identified- by name. LE, FMW63 is the one who has been in most contact with the detective/LE working on this case in AZ and has more details regarding that particular arrest. Perhaps she could answer some of your questions in more detail. Maybe send her a pm.

HTH and please Thank Detective Hughes for taking the time to look at this!

:blowkiss:
Perfect, I'll wait for FMW63. I'll tell Det. Hughes you said that. He really does seem to care!

[believe09]

Wisconsin Child Welfare Bureau emailed me back and forwarded MJD's information to the legal counsel and they will further assist us.

I am not allowed to post the email because of confidentiality issues.. :waitasec:

ETA

I cannot post everything, but the email sounds promising. They are contacting other counties in Wisconsin if nothing comes up for Milwaukee and said someone will be getting back to me. Let's keep our fingers crossed!

wooohooo:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[fmw63]

LE, FMW63 is the one who has been in most contact with the detective/LE working on this case in AZ and has more details regarding that particular arrest. Perhaps she could answer some of your questions in more detail. Maybe send her a pm.


He. HE:cool:

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[Cubby]

He. HE:cool:

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:


Oh sorry! LOL! :blushing:

[fmw63]

Oh sorry! LOL! :blushing:



's okay :)

[Lucy's mom]

I received this a couple hours agop from the detective at Dane County in WI:

"I just briefly checked our records. There are about a dozen Lipseys in the area, but no Kelly. I'll delve into it a little deeper next week.

Have a good weekend and thanks for not giving up on this kid.

Hope. There's always hope.

Kevin"

I'll let you know what he finds next week. FMW63 is going to talk to his contact as well.

[Aphra]

Det. Hughes sounds like a good guy.

[BeavisMom62]

thanks Christine. Good to see more info on her on this site. But what happened to the updated composite pics? I can't remember if they were on this site, but they had been updated and I thought they looked very close. Not like the ones they are still using.

[BeavisMom62]

Lisa Zaharias & Shannon Marie Sherrill sound familiar, but can't be 100% we discussed them. They don't call me Dory fer nothin'.

I thought that Lisa Zaharias sounded familiar too.

[BeavisMom62]

I dont see Coral Hall listed as being in the process of testing

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hall_coral.html
I forgot about her but I remember the name. Wasn't she eliminated by WS a while ago? (Another Dory here, Christine!:crazy:)

[Zanko]

Is anyone else puzzled by the list on the ME's page? Here is a post from thread #1, posted by Christine2448 on July 18, 2007:

Quote:
just rec'd this from fellow MySpacer:

I just got this..

We are in the process of comparing Jane Doe to Ekaterina, it doesn't
seem like it will be a match.

Thanks again for your interest!

Suzi Dodt, Investigator
Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office
dodts@mail.maricopa.gov <mailto:dodts@mail.maricopa.gov>
Unquote

So now they are considering her?

I also have been told that they are considering DANYEL SPARPANA, but she wasn't on the list. Plus one of the names has already been located deceased. I check the ME's site frequently and this list was put up recently.

I'm glad they are considering and reconsidering, but I'm frustrated that people put a lot of care and thought into making a report about a possible match, get told "no, it's not her" and then, thinking that LE has done their homework, the person is crossed off the list of possibilities prematurely. :confused:

[BeavisMom62]

Since these names were just added to the ME's site, why would Kaelin Glazier be listed? Do they not know she was found deceased in April? Did I miss something?
I thought it strange also. I wonder how often that site is updated? But from the new info, it seems it must have been updated recently. So you would think it would be correct. Doesn't make sense to me.

[BeavisMom62]

Wasn't it recently posted somewhere LE is working on confirmed sightings of Coral in NE Indiana- Merriville and Gary- after she went missing. She was sighted with another runaway with her, along with an adult male. they were spotted at a Motel. There was a link with the post, I just can't seem to find it right now.
Just MHO but I, personally, never really thought that Coral resembled MJD all that much.

[BeavisMom62]

Perfect, I'll wait for FMW63. I'll tell Det. Hughes you said that. He really does seem to care!
Wow, how wonderful! It seems that alot of the time, particularly with cold cases, the LE and detectives are too busy working on more current matters to take too much time to spend on these old ones. Thank him for all of us, LM! :blowkiss:

[BeavisMom62]

He. HE:cool:

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
There should be some sort of sex sign next to our names! Lots of times its so hard to tell by the name. I've done that so many times.

[BeavisMom62]

Is anyone else puzzled by the list on the ME's page? Here is a post from thread #1, posted by Christine2448 on July 18, 2007:

Quote:
just rec'd this from fellow MySpacer:

I just got this..

We are in the process of comparing Jane Doe to Ekaterina, it doesn't
seem like it will be a match.

Thanks again for your interest!

Suzi Dodt, Investigator
Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office
dodts@mail.maricopa.gov <mailto:dodts@mail.maricopa.gov>
Unquote

So now they are considering her?

I also have been told that they are considering DANYEL SPARPANA, but she wasn't on the list. Plus one of the names has already been located deceased. I check the ME's site frequently and this list was put up recently.

I'm glad they are considering and reconsidering, but I'm frustrated that people put a lot of care and thought into making a report about a possible match, get told "no, it's not her" and then, thinking that LE has done their homework, the person is crossed off the list of possibilities prematurely. :confused:
I agree Zanko. too many chiefs and not enough indians? Too many cooks spoils the stew? Too many spoons in the pot? There should be some sort of way to consolidate all the information and keep it current! :mad:

[christine2448]

In ref to, posting Kelly's mom info....which I will go now and edit, leaving his contact info, mom's name doesn't need to be in the mix, IMO.



Just askin, how does this help solve the case? Posting the mom of a known pimp?

If we had a reason to know her and his address, we didn't have to include her...get my drift? We don't need to post addresses/phone all over the place of the 'innocents', IMO.....in our investigations, there are ways to do it, share it, w/o posting everything.

I think that is the point. Public record or not......we don't have to divulge everything we find for everyone.

[Cubby]

In ref to, posting Kelly's mom info....which I will go now and edit, leaving his contact info, mom's name doesn't need to be in the mix, IMO.



Just askin, how does this help solve the case? Posting the mom of a known pimp?

If we had a reason to know her and his address, we didn't have to include her...get my drift? We don't need to post addresses/phone all over the place of the 'innocents', IMO.....in our investigations, there are ways to do it, share it, w/o posting everything.

I think that is the point. Public record or not......we don't have to divulge everything we find for everyone.


A few posts back someone asked for any relevent info on KL other than solely his being from WI. ( WI LE had presented that question to one of our WS members) I think this was in response to that question. Though, I guess that kind of detail should probably be sent via pm or email, and just a note letting us know it's been done so we don't duplicate a bunch of work.

[Fairy1]

I received this a couple hours agop from the detective at Dane County in WI:

"I just briefly checked our records. There are about a dozen Lipseys in the area, but no Kelly. I'll delve into it a little deeper next week.

Have a good weekend and thanks for not giving up on this kid.

Hope. There's always hope.

Kevin"

I'll let you know what he finds next week. FMW63 is going to talk to his contact as well.

I am loving this guy! And you too Lucy's Mom! :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Teresa Larson]

A few posts back someone asked for any relevent info on KL other than solely his being from WI. ( WI LE had presented that question to one of our WS members) I think this was in response to that question. Though, I guess that kind of detail should probably be sent via pm or email, and just a note letting us know it's been done so we don't duplicate a bunch of work.

Thank you Cubby that is exactly right that's why I posted it. I wouldn't have done so if it wasn't public information already.

[christine2448]

Thank you Cubby that is exactly right that's why I posted it. I wouldn't have done so if it wasn't public information already.

I understand your thoughts and 100% believe your intentions are honorable! Nothing less!

Just feel sometimes we don't need to divulge all.....I can't watch every post. :blowkiss: if I have missed this happening is all I mean.

Nothing personal towards any poster in my comments, they were MO.

[Fairy1]

I'm a little disappointed in the current list LE is checking for a match. WE know that Kaelin's remains were found months ago and it's not like it's confidential information - LE could check the same resources that we do - right here! In fact, there is a lot of information here they should be checking regularly. I'm curious to know why they already do not believe Ekaterina is a match? She's always been one of my top possibilities. Coral - not so much.

[christine2448]

I'm a little disappointed in the current list LE is checking for a match. WE know that Kaelin's remains were found months ago and it's not like it's confidential information - LE could check the same resources that we do - right here! In fact, there is a lot of information here they should be checking regularly. I'm curious to know why they already do not believe Ekaterina is a match? She's always been one of my top possibilities. Coral - not so much.

I believe they are saying Ekaterina is being checked right now for a match...am I misunderstanding?

[Fairy1]

I believe they are saying Ekaterina is being checked right now for a match...am I misunderstanding?

Yes - but according to Suzi's message, it sounds like they're already thinking it's not a viable match. Why would that be???

[christine2448]

I believe they are saying Ekaterina is being checked right now for a match...am I misunderstanding?
WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESEARCHING THE POSSIBILITY SHE MIGHT BE: Ekaterina Shcherbakova, Jaycee Dugard, Amber Crum, Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias, Heather Silver, Michaela Garecht, Amber Jean Swartz Garcia, Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Monique Daniels, Kaelin Glazier
Yes...

[christine2448]

Yes - but according to Suzi's message, it sounds like they're already thinking it's not a viable match. Why would that be???


Oh, dang, sorry, missed suzi's message.....dang. :blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

Is anyone else puzzled by the list on the ME's page? Here is a post from thread #1, posted by Christine2448 on July 18, 2007:

Quote:
just rec'd this from fellow MySpacer:

I just got this..

We are in the process of comparing Jane Doe to Ekaterina, it doesn't
seem like it will be a match.

Thanks again for your interest!

Suzi Dodt, Investigator
Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office
dodts@mail.maricopa.gov <mailto:dodts@mail.maricopa.gov>
Unquote

So now they are considering her?

I also have been told that they are considering DANYEL SPARPANA, but she wasn't on the list. Plus one of the names has already been located deceased. I check the ME's site frequently and this list was put up recently.

I'm glad they are considering and reconsidering, but I'm frustrated that people put a lot of care and thought into making a report about a possible match, get told "no, it's not her" and then, thinking that LE has done their homework, the person is crossed off the list of possibilities prematurely. :confused:

See? And I just noticed the date - nearly a year ago. No excuse. IMO, of course.

[Lucy's mom]

A few posts back someone asked for any relevent info on KL other than solely his being from WI. ( WI LE had presented that question to one of our WS members) I think this was in response to that question. Though, I guess that kind of detail should probably be sent via pm or email, and just a note letting us know it's been done so we don't duplicate a bunch of work.
DidI do something wrong? I was only asking what other possible connections there are to Wisconsin other than Lipsey so that I cn share with the WI LE. I didn't ask for info about his mother. If I read incorrectly...I'm sorry! It's been a long day :-)

[Cubby]

No LM, you did nothing wrong. WS TOS we are supposed to use initials and not full names in certain cases.....and there is some confusion with where and when certain things are applicable. I think it is ok to post the full name if the person has been convicted of the crime....

I was answering Christines question in response to why your question was answered. This forum has been flying so it's hard to keep up and Christine has her hands full!

TY for getting WI LE involved! You rock! :blowkiss:

FYI, Kelly Lipsey, did have some court cases for traffic violations and an eviction listed in Milwaukee just prior to his arrival in AZ. These would be in public records in mid to late 98. Some earlier. If this helps your detective friend in any way.

[Fairy1]

DidI do something wrong? I was only asking what other possible connections there are to Wisconsin other than Lipsey so that I cn share with the WI LE. I didn't ask for info about his mother. If I read incorrectly...I'm sorry! It's been a long day :-)

No worries - if this POS continues to use his Mom's address as his own, it is public record anyway. It's just not fair to HER - and that's his fault - not yours!

[christine2448]

Ty Fairy, that is exactly what I mean.....and Cubby, it's so hard to know what's right and what's not. I am on everyone's 'side' here.....just trying to keep things smooth and 'right'. You all freakin' ROCK! :blowkiss:

[Lucy's mom]

No LM, you did nothing wrong. WS TOS we are supposed to use initials and not full names in certain cases.....and there is some confusion with where and when certain things are applicable. I think it is ok to post the full name if the person has been convicted of the crime....

I was answering Christines question in response to why your question was answered. This forum has been flying so it's hard to keep up and Christine has her hands full!

TY for getting WI LE involved! You rock! :blowkiss:

FYI, Kelly Lipsey, did have some court cases for traffic violations and an eviction listed in Milwaukee just prior to his arrival in AZ. These would be in public records in mid to late 98. Some earlier. If this helps your detective friend in any way.
Thank you so much for clarifying! I just wanted to make sure I didn't over step boundaries...aka policies and procedures:-) I'll let our WI LE know about Lipsey's past. Hopefully, that might lead us somewhere!!!!

[Fairy1]

Ty Fairy, that is exactly what I mean.....and Cubby, it's so hard to know what's right and what's not. I am on everyone's 'side' here.....just trying to keep things smooth and 'right'. You all freakin' ROCK! :blowkiss:

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: You rock too!

[believe09]

Yes - but according to Suzi's message, it sounds like they're already thinking it's not a viable match. Why would that be???

Is she alive?

[believe09]

Is anyone else puzzled by the list on the ME's page? Here is a post from thread #1, posted by Christine2448 on July 18, 2007:

Quote:
just rec'd this from fellow MySpacer:

I just got this..

We are in the process of comparing Jane Doe to Ekaterina, it doesn't
seem like it will be a match.

Thanks again for your interest!

Suzi Dodt, Investigator
Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office
dodts@mail.maricopa.gov <mailto:dodts@mail.maricopa.gov>
Unquote

So now they are considering her?

I also have been told that they are considering DANYEL SPARPANA, but she wasn't on the list. Plus one of the names has already been located deceased. I check the ME's site frequently and this list was put up recently.

I'm glad they are considering and reconsidering, but I'm frustrated that people put a lot of care and thought into making a report about a possible match, get told "no, it's not her" and then, thinking that LE has done their homework, the person is crossed off the list of possibilities prematurely. :confused:

Dana had a birthmark on her L knee according to the site-don't see enough roadrash to cover a birthmark for MJD-but I guess it depends on what the birthmark looked like.

[believe09]

Maybe we should go through the list of possibles on the ME site and do our own ruling in or out? We could start a sep. thread...

[VASHLEY88]

Maybe we should go through the list of possibles on the ME site and do our own ruling in or out? We could start a sep. thread...

I think this is a good idea because obviously there are some girls mentioned on ME's list that either definitely are not her.. or have a strong possibility. Before I posted that ME had updated the site, I knew there was going to be some friction here as some of the girls, clearly, have been discussed before and we were either told it wasn't a match or got no response back! :mad:

[believe09]

Ekaterina Shcherbakova, Jaycee Dugard, Amber Crum, Melissa McGuinn, Lisa Zaharias, Heather Silver, Michaela Garecht, Amber Jean Swartz Garcia, Jennifer Shawn Vagher, Shannon Marie Sherrill, Monique Daniels, Kaelin Glazier

Pick your favorites-I can take whomever.

[Zanko]

I'll take Amber Crum.

[Fairy1]

I'm confused! What are we doing with the girls LE is in the process of checking right now?

[Zanko]

My understanding is that there is at least one name on the list that is known to have been found deceased.

So, maybe I've got this all confused, but I collected information on Amber Crum. Born September 25, 1981 and missing on December 26, 1983. She would have been 17 years old in January of 1999. So the age fits, maybe a little on the high range. She was missing from Dallas, Texas. Initially her mother's boyfriend (James B. Monroe) was charged with killing her, but no evidence was found and the charges were dropped. Recently there is some who believe that David Elliot Penton killed Amber, although he has never charged (although currently incarcerated for something else). A former cell mate says that he "all but confessed to Amber's abduction".

So could MJD be Amber Crum? Maybe. There are a few composites out there of her and a picture of her when she was 2-years-old. I don't find anything else about her. I was surprised that there wasn't more pictures.

Here's a comparison: http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
The only thing I'd say is that it appears that Amber's ears stick out more than MJD. Oh, and yes I saved the picture as Nicole Crum by accident!

[believe09]

Good work Zanko-was this a non family abduction and do you know if there is DNA on file for Amber or prints?

I will take Kaelin Glazer, and Monique Daniels

[believe09]

Links:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/glazier.htm
http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/MCC/glazier_kaelin.shtml
http://www.ktvl.com/news/remains_1186117___article.html/glazier_ruch.html

Her remains were located in April of 2008-this might have already been brought up, which is why NCMEC took her case down.

[believe09]

DOB: 1976, which puts her on the high, high side of age, not to mention if she were MJD why would she say she was 15 when she went to the club where she was looking to be a dancer?

Links:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&LanguageCountry=en_US&searchLang=en_US&caseLang=en_US&orgPrefix=NCMC&caseNum=787775&seqNum=1
http://www.emcorgroup.com/index.cgi/63913
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/mdaniels.html
http://doenetwork.org/cases/607dfok.html

Distinguishing charecteristics: A mole on her L upper lip, scars on her L ankle and shin, chipped incisor tooth.

It appears that MJD had none of the above. Monique had auburn hair, not brown.

I think she is too old, and too many charecteristics that do not match, but that is JMO. The Doenetwork site indicates that someone saw her leaving with a white male, but Monique's sister believes some kind of foul play was involved with their stepfather.

[believe09]

DOB-1980, 4 inch scar running across her abdomen. Even accounting for shrinkage over time, that scar would have been evident at autopsy, so I think she is a no go, not to mention I do not think she looks at all like MJD-JMO. In 2003 someone called the family claiming to be Shannon and the family believed it was her. Then it turned out to be a hoax. What a world! They arrested the prankster...
http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster193.htm
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0307/29/se.07.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93423,00.html

[Zanko]

Good work Zanko-was this a non family abduction and do you know if there is DNA on file for Amber or prints?



The case is listed as non family abduction. I couldn't find anything about her DNA being on file. But her prints must be, because several years after her disappearance a girl was found in California (I believe) who was thought to be her. She was ruled out by comparing fingerprints.

[believe09]

The case is listed as non family abduction. I couldn't find anything about her DNA being on file. But her prints must be, because several years after her disappearance a girl was found in California (I believe) who was thought to be her. She was ruled out by comparing fingerprints.


Her prints must not be in AFIS or they would have ruled her out right away with MJD? FMW-is there a chance you can ask your LE Contact if MJD's prints are in AFIS and DNA in CODIS??

[Zanko]

In the police report it says that they took MJD's fingerprints. On the ME website it now says, "unavailable". I'm wondering if they were some how compromised? It'd be helpful to know one way or the other.

[Fairy1]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/z/zaharias_lisa.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/silver_heather.html


I think Heather is too old to be MJD. She was already 18 went she went missing in 1997.

Because of the circumstances of Lisa's abduction, I can definitley understand why her mother would not have come forward to report her missing. That being said, Lisa's baby picture shows a strong resemblance to her mother, who is pictured below the case summary. I don't see MJD in her. Also, Lisa would only have been 13 and even though it's within the range, I think that's a bit too young for our MJD.

MOO!!!

[Zanko]

Being a very visual person I needed to see the faces with the names. Wasn't sure if I should post this on Eliminated or Possible Matches or here.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD2.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD3.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD4.jpg

I'd love to update with photos (for those without a photo) if possible and to add anyone else that we've considered or want to know if they are being considered.

Let me know if I got any information incorrect, too! Thanks!

[believe09]

I just realized that Racheal Hayson isn't on either list, right? That was the last tip I called in. I will check with the detective tomorrow.

[Fairy1]

Being a very visual person I needed to see the faces with the names. Wasn't sure if I should post this on Eliminated or Possible Matches or here.

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD2.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD3.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD4.jpg

I'd love to update with photos (for those without a photo) if possible and to add anyone else that we've considered or want to know if they are being considered.

Let me know if I got any information incorrect, too! Thanks!

Great job Zanko - thank you! I sent in Elena Soldatova quite awhile and Suzi Dodt said it wasn't a match - due to age. I sure thought it was! Oh well.....

[PoppyMcTwist]

I'm not sure how to set up a link, but has anyone checked out MEGAN GINEVICZ ?

IMO facial structure is similar to the photo of Megan as a toddler.

Her hair is listed as brown but it sure looks blonde in the composite.

[Fairy1]

I'm not sure how to set up a link, but has anyone checked out MEGAN GINEVICZ ?

IMO facial structure is similar to the photo of Megan as a toddler.

Her hair is listed as brown but it sure looks blonde in the composite.

Hiya and welcome Poppy McTwist! Here's Megan's Charley Project link:


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/ginevicz_megan.html

[believe09]

I'm not sure how to set up a link, but has anyone checked out MEGAN GINEVICZ ?

IMO facial structure is similar to the photo of Megan as a toddler.

Her hair is listed as brown but it sure looks blonde in the composite.

Welcome Poppy- with a DOB of 1978, it puts her on the very high side of MJD, whom authorities really believe would be between 13 and 15, but never say never!

[phenolred]

Great job Zanko - thank you! I sent in Elena Soldatova quite awhile and Suzi Dodt said it wasn't a match - due to age. I sure thought it was! Oh well.....


I really see the resemblence with Elena too, What I find interesting is that they quickly elimininated Elena based on being too old.

However, they have Monique Daniels as pending and she was born in 1976 and Elena was born in 1977.

[Zanko]

Thanks Phenolred! I will post an update with all the information I get, within the week. I am wondering if anyone has had any luck on finding pictures or any information on a few of those listed as "not a match": Tiffany Chapman, Trinity Lorentz, Christina Richard and Jamie Schill. I couldn't find them. I found that Jennifer Collins had been located safely (thank God!) and all that was listed for Elisabeth Sibthrop (not Sibthrip as on ME's site) was that the case was "resolved" which I hope means that she was found safely, but I don't know.

[rccook555]

Thanks Phenolred! I will post an update with all the information I get, within the week. I am wondering if anyone has had any luck on finding pictures or any information on a few of those listed as "not a match": Tiffany Chapman, Trinity Lorentz, Christina Richard and Jamie Schill. I couldn't find them. I found that Jennifer Collins had been located safely (thank God!) and all that was listed for Elisabeth Sibthrop (not Sibthrip as on ME's site) was that the case was "resolved" which I hope means that she was found safely, but I don't know.

Only missing Tiffany Chapman i could find is here.(no pic) She is listed as having an armband tattoo and pierced tongue. DOB 7/22/83 possibly in the company of an adult male.
http://nl.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC863953c1.PA_

ETA..seems my link doesnt work...
Tiffany;Chapman;Endangered Runaway;Female;7/22/83;Blairsville;5/22/99;White;508;130;Blue;Blonde;Blairsville Police Department (Pennsylvania) - 1-724-34