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Littledeer

06-26-2008, 08:23 PM

On one of the first news videos it talks about the little dog going along with the girls for the walk. Then we heard nothing more about the little dog. Kahskye emailed a reporter and he emailed back that the little dog was found alive the next day at the bridge.

Posted by kahskye:

Here's our answer! :) Just received this from staff writer, Johnny Johnson:

If memory serves, the dog may have been a Chihuahua
The dog was found the next morning by law enforcing I believe somewhere near the bridge ... the dog had not been shot to my knowledge.
There are several dogs at the family's home.

jj

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Littledeer

06-26-2008, 08:29 PM

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I want to know if the dog was dead or alive too. You'd think the dog would stay near the girls and where they were..you know how protective they are...even chihuahuas.

By kahskye:
Just got an email, the dog was alive.
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Littledeer

06-26-2008, 08:39 PM

Posted by MurdersheWrote:

The Character of Chihuahuas

The Chihuahua is an excellent companion for singles and the elderly. They are very spry and can leap as high as cats; they’re also great at avoiding being stepped on! Not daunted by size, they are bold and brave watchdogs that send a threatening, surprisingly deep bark when strangers enter their range. Of course, because they are small, their bark is much worse than their bite!

Chihuahuas tend to act nervous in the company of anybody except their primary owner, but they’re also fun-loving and full of bravado when left to their own devices. Some Chihuahuas are they hard to train, and require “newspaper” training to become housebroken. They are also very gentle creatures that learn quickly and respond well to positive reinforcement.

Chihuahuas enjoy chewing on toys, and you would be surprised at how sharp their little teeth are. Although they are small, they require large, soft chew toys if you want to keep them from chewing on your prized possessions.

The Chihuahua’s Ideal Environment

Chihuahuas are small creatures that don’t require a lot of space; they fit in perfectly with an apartment environment. Because of their size, they are especially sensitive to cold and actually NEED the doggie sweaters you can buy at your local pet store (http://www.essortment.com/all/breedcharacteri_rnxr.htm#). They don’t need a large yard and, quite frankly, shouldn’t be given a place to roam freely as they can easily fit through small spaces.

Also, because of their tiny size, Chihuahuas usually require a body harness rather than a leash and require several walks a day. They tire quickly and really only need to walk a block or so; but if you want to continue walking, you can always carry them around with you.

The Chihuahua’s Companions

Chihuahuas tend to be a “one-person-dog” and become very attached to their primary owner. They tend to get jealous of visitors and act suspicious and “skittish” around strangers. They tend to follow their owner all over the house and get nervous when you leave their field of vision.

Chihuahuas and children are not a good combination; because of their size, they are easily intimidated by loud noise and sudden movement. Their only defense when faced with a teasing child may be to snap and bite. They are fragile animals and should not be allowed to sleep with their owners because you can accidentally roll over and injure them.
Chihuahuas, like other dog breeds, need gradual socialization to keep them from picking fights with larger dogs and strangers. They don’t get along with other dogs because any other dog breed will attempt to dominate them, and cats are intimidating for them, too. The only animal companion that is safe for a Chihuahua is another Chihuahua. Even if you live in an apartment, there will probably be enough room and enough love to go around if you choose to adopt two of this breed!

Littledeer

06-26-2008, 08:50 PM

Posted by kahskye:

Temperament: Chihuahuas are bold or shy, playful and very alert. They love to alert their owners to whatever is going on, and some tend to bark. Some breeds are afraid when the wind blows, while others will challenge dogs many times the size of themselves. They tend to be quite devoted to one person. They are sometimes reserved with strangers and a favorite among the elderly. They are graceful, humorous, and a good watchdog. Although playful, Chihuahuas are not to be messed around with. They can be aggressive towards other dogs and wary of strangers. On top of that, they are quite fragile and do not tend to realize it when picking a fight.

http://puppydogweb.com/caninebreeds/chihuahua.htm

Littledeer

06-26-2008, 08:51 PM

It is believed the dog was Taylor's.

Claycat

06-26-2008, 09:45 PM

It's too bad dogs can't talk!

Littledeer

06-26-2008, 10:12 PM

I agree Claycat!!!!

I am always asking my dog to "talk" to me!!!

And I am sure, if Taylor's dog could have been able to tell what happene,. he/she would have!!!

Wonder if he/she has doggie nightmares??

christine2448

06-27-2008, 12:28 PM

FlowerChild

06-27-2008, 01:26 PM

I am at work and can't view this....have you all seen this? Can you tell me about it?? (scroll down to Greta investigates)_

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Why was a dog at murder scene of two Oklahoma girls?
It's about the "gunpowder/explosive" sniffing dog going over the crime scene for missed casings. They didn't find any - OSBI had already searched with a metal detector and thought they had them all, just wanted to be sure. The interview also revealed that the OSBI does know the guns used and other details, which they are not releasing to the media. The OSBI said Wed "the noose is tightening".

My Opinion

christine2448

06-27-2008, 01:30 PM

It's about the "gunpowder/explosive" sniffing dog going over the crime scene for missed casings. They didn't find any - OSBI had already searched with a metal detector and thought they had them all, just wanted to be sure. The interview also revealed that the OSBI does know the guns used and other details, which they are not releasing to the media. The OSBI said Wed "the noose is tightening".

My Opinion

Duh....I thought it was about one of the girls dogs...thanks Flower!

dragonfly

06-27-2008, 03:05 PM

Speaking of Dogs...

I have been reading along and trying to make sense of this case. LOL
If the police dog that was brought in found nothing and if I remember right was suppose to alert to gunpowder. And if their pet that went with them on the walk that day was found at the bridge....What if the two girls were actually killed at the bridge and dump along side the road.

kahskye

06-27-2008, 03:10 PM

Annie

06-27-2008, 03:24 PM

I don't have the link, but I read somewhere that they found footprints that the girls and little dog made it to the bridge and were walking back.

I wonder how they knew the footprints were from that day and not the day before. We don't know if they might have walked down there on Saturday afternoon too. Unless the witnesses saw them, they might not have made it to the bridge that day and the prints could have been from an earlier time. Could they have been shot somewhere else one time and brought there to finish the job? There are too many questions that have not been answered. I am afraid they may never be answered. I am so afraid this won't be solved, and I just hope it doesn't happen to other children.

Littledeer

06-27-2008, 07:39 PM

Annie:

I'm not an expert on "dirt roads", but your question is a very good one. How does LE know or feel that the footprints were from that day??

There was supposed to be some grading done on that road, was it possible that it had some pre-planning work done on it prior to the day the girls were killed?

I'm sure LE has contacted the company to find out what, if anything, they did to the road prior to the day they actually did the grading. (Which, I am still amazed at that it happened!!) :mad:

Mysterylover

07-08-2008, 08:34 AM

On one of the first news videos it talks about the little dog going along with the girls for the walk.
Then we heard nothing more about the little dog. Kahskye emailed a reporter

and he emailed back that the little dog was found alive the next day at the bridge.....................

Posted by kahskye:

We know the girls would NOT have left the little dog at the bridge...

The girls would have been possibly carrying the little dog when they were shot in the chest, so why wasn't the dog shot also?

think about the position, against your body as you carry a dog..

What IF the girls was shot from someone under the bridge, while looking over the edge, thus the shots under their chin and in the legs and arm.

The little dog stayed where the shooting happened...where it was dropped...
the shooters take the girls up the road, near the house to throw off LE and finished killing them beside the road?

IF the shooting happened 300 yds. from the home, why didn't the dog run home? the little dog had been to the bridge with T. most every day, IF it is like most dogs it knew the way home... Dogs aren't stupid and GP was there within minutes, and didn't see the dog.....WHY was the dog waiting for T. at the bridge?.....jmo

ArizonaGiGi

03-10-2009, 08:24 PM

found by investigators early the next morning and delivered back to the Plackers house around 5am, a family member told me directly

Ruflossn

03-10-2009, 09:29 PM

The dog that authorities returned to the family no longer resides w/ the family. This was told to me directly by a family member.

k4kathy

03-10-2009, 10:31 PM

The dog that authorities returned to the family no longer resides w/ the family. This was told to me directly by a family member.Do you know where the dog is now?

Claycat

03-10-2009, 10:56 PM

No one knows, Kathy! I hope the little dog is okay.

ArizonaGiGi

03-10-2009, 11:17 PM

Do you know where the dog is now?

The dog is dead. It was told directly to me by a family member.
It may or may not be relevant but is interesting that the dog ran towards the bridge and hid out all night instead of home

Claycat

03-10-2009, 11:37 PM

Gosh, Gigi, I just thought the dog was gone. I didn't realize he was dead. Well, he's with the girls now.

k4kathy

03-11-2009, 12:00 AM

The dog is dead. It was told directly to me by a family member.
It may or may not be relevant but is interesting that the dog ran towards the bridge and hid out all night instead of home

I find it interesting.Sure can't help but wonder why the dog ran towards the bridge,instead of running home,which would have been closer.Why didn't the dog want to go home?I can only come up with one reason a family pet would avoid their own territory,and that reason would be fear/sensing danger.

Mysterylover

03-12-2009, 06:17 PM

I find it interesting.Sure can't help but wonder why the dog ran towards the bridge,instead of running home,which would have been closer.
Why didn't the dog want to go home?

I can only come up with one reason a family pet would avoid their own territory,and that reason would be fear/sensing danger....

K4kathy, I find it too much of a coincidence that the little dog, eye witness to the girls murders, is dead. Hmmmm!!

I'd like to know how the brave little guy died ?

Any person that would throw animals out in the country in the cold rain to slowly starve to death is a cold hearted person..imo.. :beagle:

ArizonaGiGi

03-12-2009, 06:59 PM

The dog is dead. It was told directly to me by a family member.
It may or may not be relevant but is interesting that the dog ran towards the bridge and hid out all night instead of home

I should have added that I do not believe that the dog is dead. SHE (the family member who told me the dog is dead) believes it is dead.

I was told by a local that all 3 of the families dogs were dumped in a local mans yard by PP very soon after the murders. PP pulled up in a pick up truck and put them all out. I don't believe they were dumped for any reason other than that the new house the Plackers were renting didn't allow pets so the pets were disposed of. Not the best way to treat your fuzzy friends but some people (esp in the country) don't seem to know of any other way.

Not sure what happened to all the cats. I never heard. They are most likely just still hanging around the house and woods area hunting for their dinner or have taken up with new homes around the area.

ps the local man whose yard they were dumped at fed the dogs for awhile and then they just seemed to go away. Someone in the area has possibly taken in one or all of them. I would love to find the little chihuahua type dog that with the girls' that day. It would sure have a story to tell!

ArizonaGiGi

03-12-2009, 07:01 PM

I find it interesting.Sure can't help but wonder why the dog ran towards the bridge,instead of running home,which would have been closer.Why didn't the dog want to go home?I can only come up with one reason a family pet would avoid their own territory,and that reason would be fear/sensing danger.

K4 it has bothered me alot. I agree that the dog normally would have run home so something or someone was standing in the direction of "home". Between it and home so the only way to run is towards the bridge, away from home.Poor thing

k4kathy

03-12-2009, 09:34 PM

I should have added that I do not believe that the dog is dead. SHE (the family member who told me the dog is dead) believes it is dead.

I was told by a local that all 3 of the families dogs were dumped in a local mans yard by PP very soon after the murders. PP pulled up in a pick up truck and put them all out. I don't believe they were dumped for any reason other than that the new house the Plackers were renting didn't allow pets so the pets were disposed of. Not the best way to treat your fuzzy friends but some people (esp in the country) don't seem to know of any other way.

Not sure what happened to all the cats. I never heard. They are most likely just still hanging around the house and woods area hunting for their dinner or have taken up with new homes around the area.

ps the local man whose yard they were dumped at fed the dogs for awhile and then they just seemed to go away. Someone in the area has possibly taken in one or all of them. I would love to find the little chihuahua type dog that with the girls' that day. It would sure have a story to tell!Oh hell no!Tell me its not so.PP dumped the dog that Taylor had with her?Wow,what a sensitive guy.I SMELL A RAT!If this is really true,then something here just isn't right.Think about it.

Ruflossn

03-12-2009, 10:18 PM

Gosh, Gigi, I just thought the dog was gone. I didn't realize he was dead. Well, he's with the girls now.

Claycat,
The dog that was w/ Skyla and Taylor on the day they were murdered is not dead. It no longer resides w/ the family but, it has not died. The horse that belonged to Taylor is also no longer w/ the Plackers but, the horse is alive and being well taken care of. I know you have a soft heart for animals and I did not want you to feel badly. (I posted the same info in an earlier post about the dog).

Flossie

Mysterylover

03-13-2009, 06:16 PM

I should have added that I do not believe that the dog is dead. SHE (the family member who told me the dog is dead) believes it is dead.

I was told by a local that all 3 of the families dogs were dumped in a local mans yard by PP very soon after the murders.
PP pulled up in a pick up truck and put them all out.

I don't believe they were dumped for any reason other than that the new house the Plackers were renting didn't allow pets so the pets were disposed of. Not the best way to treat your fuzzy friends but some people (esp in the country) don't seem to know of any other way.

Not sure what happened to all the cats. I never heard. They are most likely just still hanging around the house and woods area hunting for their dinner or have taken up with new homes around the area.

ps the local man whose yard they were dumped at fed the dogs for awhile and then they just seemed to go away. Someone in the area has possibly taken in one or all of them. I would love to find the little chihuahua type dog that with the girls' that day. It would sure have a story to tell!

Guys, Am I the only one to find this very strange?

If some unknown person had just murdered my daughter and her best friend, I would immediately get some of the biggest and meanest guard dogs I could find to live in my yard.
What better 'burglar alarms and criminal deterent than a 'big dog"?....

First I would look for a rent house that would allow my dogs. Then I would have my best friend, my dog sleeping in my bedroom at night.
I could sleep at nights knowing the dogs would let me know when someone was snooping around my place....

Yet, he gets rid of the dogs when the killer is still out there!.::beagle:..:nono:

Ruflossn

03-13-2009, 08:56 PM

ML,
That is a great thought. However, I can assure that the family now have "guard dogs". They have relocated and have dogs that would be a detriment to anyone attempting the family harm. At the time the family moved, they just wanted "out". Everyday, they were having to drive by the site of the murders and living in the original home, they did not feel safe. When they left their home, they were seeking safety and a sanctuary away from the deep grief and stress that were brought about by living in the house near the murder site.

ArizonaGiGi

03-14-2009, 02:17 PM

Claycat,
The dog that was w/ Skyla and Taylor on the day they were murdered is not dead. It no longer resides w/ the family but, it has not died. The horse that belonged to Taylor is also no longer w/ the Plackers but, the horse is alive and being well taken care of. I know you have a soft heart for animals and I did not want you to feel badly. (I posted the same info in an earlier post about the dog).

Flossie

Since you are friends with the family and say it is not dead, perhaps you can share with us where the dog is ? You must know that it is alive to say that? And as you say, the horse is alive and being taken care of maybe YOU know where the little chihuahua and the two other large dogs are that the family owned when Taylor was killed?

I posted what I "heard" happened to the 3 dogs but I cannot say with certainty like you that it is NOT dead. I just hope and want to believe that it is not. We all want for the little dog and two big dogs to be safe and sound but I cannot confirm that they are.

Maybe you can help us out as we all want to know.

ArizonaGiGi

03-14-2009, 02:21 PM

Guys, Am I the only one to find this very strange?

If some unknown person had just murdered my daughter and her best friend, I would immediately get some of the biggest and meanest guard dogs I could find to live in my yard.
What better 'burglar alarms and criminal deterent than a 'big dog"?....

First I would look for a rent house that would allow my dogs. Then I would have my best friend, my dog sleeping in my bedroom at night.
I could sleep at nights knowing the dogs would let me know when someone was snooping around my place....

Yet, he gets rid of the dogs when the killer is still out there!.::beagle:..:nono:

I do find it strange too Mystery. That'd be the last thing I would get rid of if my daughter had been murdered but I guess we all handle tragedy differently and can't know how we would react until in their shoes?

Not all people are animal lovers. I am and can say for sure that you'd have to pry it outta my arms!

k4kathy

03-14-2009, 02:44 PM

Strange is an understatement.This doesn't even make sense.

chi-mama

03-14-2009, 03:14 PM

Strange is an understatement.This doesn't even make sense.

Right on. I just cannot get my mind around this. Could there be more meaning than we are seeing? Also, wondering if the dog could have had some evidence maybe DNA on it?

Ruflossn

03-14-2009, 04:28 PM

Since you are friends with the family and say it is not dead, perhaps you can share with us where the dog is ? You must know that it is alive to say that? And as you say, the horse is alive and being taken care of maybe YOU know where the little chihuahua and the two other large dogs are that the family owned when Taylor was killed?

I posted what I "heard" happened to the 3 dogs but I cannot say with certainty like you that it is NOT dead. I just hope and want to believe that it is not. We all want for the little dog and two big dogs to be safe and sound but I cannot confirm that they are.

Maybe you can help us out as we all want to know.

Hey Gigi~
Yes, I could answer the question about where the chihuahua is living. However, I think it is best answered by a phrase I will borrow from you ~
Reason: "feel better not gonna go there peace"

Take Care Gigi,
Hope you are well.
Flossie ;)

Ruflossn

03-14-2009, 04:56 PM

Right on. I just cannot get my mind around this. Could there be more meaning than we are seeing? Also, wondering if the dog could have had some evidence maybe DNA on it?

Months ago, I tried to read up on whether human DNA could be found on animals. And, if it were found, could it be beneficial in bringing about a conviction in a murder or other violent crime. I could find many examples where animal DNA found on humans helped in the the prosecution and conviction of a perp. (dog / cat hair found on a victim that would match dog / hair found in a perps home etc......) However, I have never been able to find an example of human DNA being found on an animal and then being used in a criminal court of law. If anyone has knowledge of this situation, I would love to read about it.

As for the chihuahua having DNA that could have proved beneficial in providing evidence in the murders of Skyla and Taylor, I believe any DNA (or other forensic evidence) that could have been documented from the dog was probably lost once the dog ran off. The area where the girls were murdered is rural. It rained that night and I believe if there had been any evidence available on the dog, it was destroyed by the environment. Again, this is jmo.

Below is a link to a DNA site that provides some quick insight into DNA / animals.

http://www.dnacenter.com/forensic/animal.html

Shed hair, urine, and other biological samples from dogs or other animals may be transferred by a suspect from one place to another, such as from the home to the crime scene.

ArizonaGiGi

03-14-2009, 09:12 PM

Hey Gigi~
Yes, I could answer the question about where the chihuahua is living. However, I think it is best answered by a phrase I will borrow from you ~
Reason: "feel better not gonna go there peace"

Take Care Gigi,
Hope you are well. :blowkiss:You are so sweet
Flossie ;)

You know where the dog is living? OMG That is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance:

Then you won't mind arranging to have it talk to the psychic on here that talks to dogs. She says she can talk to it by phone. Anybody remember how to contact the lady that volunteered to talk to the little chihuahua?

That'll be great because I'm sure that poor little doggy can solve the mystery of who shot Taylor and Skyla! The families will be so happy as well as all the sleuthers on here! Wow you can solve this thing!

Oh RUF you rock !];)

little726

03-14-2009, 09:18 PM

GiGi & Ruf...you crack me up! Thanks for the chuckle, I really needed it!!!!

Ruflossn

03-15-2009, 09:37 AM

uflossn;3457897]Hey Gigi~
Yes, I could answer the question about where the chihuahua is living. However, I think it is best answered by a phrase I will borrow from you ~
Reason: "feel better not gonna go there peace"

Take Care Gigi,
Hope you are well. :blowkiss:You are so sweet
Flossie ;)

Gigi~
I have no idea how that font became so enlarged.
Probably when I changed the font itself, I inadvertently hit the size of the font as well..... It seems the size of the font has offended you. My apologies. I am going to back and try to change the font to a normal size. Once again, my apologies.

Flossie

Ruflossn

03-15-2009, 09:53 AM

Gigi~
I have no idea how that font became so enlarged.
Probably when I changed the font itself, I inadvertently hit the size of the font as well..... It seems the size of the font has offended you. My apologies. I am going to back and try to change the font to a normal size. Once again, my apologies.

Flossie
You know where the dog is living? OMG That is fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :dance:

Then you won't mind arranging to have it talk to the psychic on here that talks to dogs. She says she can talk to it by phone. Anybody remember how to contact the lady that volunteered to talk to the little chihuahua?

That'll be great because I'm sure that poor little doggy can solve the mystery of who shot Taylor and Skyla! The families will be so happy as well as all the sleuthers on here! Wow you can solve this thing!

Oh RUF you rock !];)

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I am unaware how I can solve "this whole thing". When I posted that the dog in question was alive and well, it was simply to offer comfort to those that are animal lovers and have a soft spot for Taylor's dog. It seems now that my assurances that were s/pose to offer comfort have caused you to become antagonistic towards me.

As for the dog and a psychic working together, I have my reservations about that but, at this point I would be happy to have anyone / anything help this case. When I next visit w/ the family, if I feel the time is appropriate, I will mention this to them. However, my friendship w/them was established because of the death of Taylor but, it is maintained on many other levels. If I feel comfortable broaching the subject, I will. The death of Taylor and the crime itself is not something that we often discuss. I hope this will finally put to rest the questions surrounding the dog.

Have a great day Gigi~
Flossie

sheza

03-15-2009, 01:38 PM

Taylors dog was found the day after the murders.
Plackers moved, a neighbor reported the dogs were "dropped off" at his house.
The neighbor did not keep the dogs.
Whereabouts unknown.

Ruflossn

03-15-2009, 02:28 PM

GiGi & Ruf...you crack me up! Thanks for the chuckle, I really needed it!!!!

Hi Little~
I am glad that I could provide you a chuckle for you.
I can promise you that was not my intention. :doh:

Flossie

Mysterylover

03-15-2009, 04:15 PM

Right on. I just cannot get my mind around this. Could there be more meaning than we are seeing? Also, wondering if the dog could have had some evidence maybe DNA on it?...

chi-mama, Good points!
I feel the little dog was an important piece of evidence IF it had blood splatter on it?

It would have been a big clue if LE could have had the dogs, track where T.'s little dog had walked that Sunday..imo..

Missing Sarah

03-15-2009, 07:22 PM

The dogs in question ... were shot moments after they were dumped off. Farmers, do not take in, or adopt stray dogs, why would anyone think they are alive?

MeoW333

03-16-2009, 11:47 AM

waltzingmatilda

03-16-2009, 02:06 PM

I wonder if the poor little chihuahua had any noticeable signs of injury....like a limp from being kicked perhaps. If the dog was protective and agressive towards the murderer(s) then one swift kick could have easily confused the poor animal or knocked the pup unconscious. With all the activity occuring during and after the murders in that area, it is not surprising to me that the traumatized little dog hid out for awhile.

I could not ever get rid of an animal belonging to one of my children whether they had been murdered or not. JMO

k4kathy

03-16-2009, 04:34 PM

So the Plackers or PP just dumps off the family pets at some man's yard!!?? You can sure tell a lot about how people treat their animals. No bond there evidently, just disposable. Disgusting maybe they should take a look at Peter Placker since he was first on that scene he could have messed up evidence himself.
Very Interesting that the little dog waited at the bridge for the girls and didn't follow to the crime scene or return to the house. That in itself, says a lot.I agree.I read somewhere...that alot can be learned by the way an owner treats their pet.Supposedly tells alot about their character.
Wouldn't it have broken Taylors heart to know that her dog was kicked to the curb?I bet there were many people who would have gladly adopted those dogs.

Ruflossn

03-17-2009, 02:17 PM

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Ruflossn
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ML,
That is a great thought. However, I can assure that the family now have "guard dogs".
They have relocated and have dogs that would be a detriment to anyone attempting the family harm.
At the time the family moved, they just wanted "out".

Everyday, they were having to drive by the site of the murders and living in the original home, they did not feel safe.

When they left their home, they were seeking safety and a sanctuary away from the deep grief and stress that were brought about by living in the house near the murder site. Quote
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Ruflossin, The above 2 posts are yours..
I'll try to explain what I see here..
IF I understand correctly, PP throws his dogs and possibly cats in someone's yard to be homeless and slowly starve, or be shot...imo

Overlooking how these dogs could have warned a family member IF the killers returned.

Leaving a time-gap at his house with nothing to alert the family of a stranger approaching the house day or night.

Even though the killer has not been arrested, P. got rid of these dogs and T.'s beloved chihuahua??

My question is: HOW could any loving parent get rid of their murdered child's most loved possession, so quickly? This is beyond my understanding!.

They move and now have more dogs, just different ones..:( yet, didn't keep T's tiny chihuahua....Hmmm!

Hello~
I swore I was not going to address this issue anymore. :doh:
This is the last time I will post anything to do w/ this. If people want to believe me that is fine. If people choose not to believe me that is fine.

Taylor's dog was not dumped. The dog is alive and doing well. It is well loved and taken care of. The information about the dog(s) being dumped is incorrect. Taylor's dog is healthy and living a great life.

As for having 'guard dogs', this family loves animals. All kinds of animals. They live in an area that can house a lot of animals. All the animals that are "owned" by this family are loved and taken care of. The only animal that is no longer residing w/ the family is Taylor's horse.

ML,
I hope this answers your questions. I also hope that the post did not come across as abrupt. That was not my intention. I have addressed this issue and people still continue to believe what others have said about the dog(s). I am not going to try and convince anyone of what I know is the truth.

Taylor's dog was not dumped by her dad.

Flossie

Missing Sarah

03-17-2009, 09:34 PM

Well, I deeply regret if my information is incorrect. I was told by the person who actually killed the dumped dogs, but..I couldn't swear it was a truthful statement, I wasn't a wittness to the killings.
So, I guess in a court of law it would be considered hear say, and thrown out.
I don't mean to be hateful, but...anyone with eyes can clearly tell how well maintained the house, yard were.
Which leads me to believe the animals were probably treated in the same manner.
Although, its not right to judge people for how they live, raise their children...blah blah...we do!
This is my last post about the dogs, how important were they to anyone...?? Its all petty.. this "dog room" is petty.

k4kathy

03-17-2009, 10:47 PM

Native New Yorker

03-18-2009, 12:19 AM

I agree, as a lifelong animal lover, none of this adds up! I would possibly be too devastated to take care of pets, if one of my kids were murdered, so then I would ask a friend or relative to step in and help with the pets...
Unless, perhaps, these people have a different view of owning a pet? I have also encountered that in some places I have lived, a very, very casual relationship with animals, occasional feeding, non-existent care for injured animals, very sad....
To me, all of this "dog stuff" does tie in with the crime, as it speaks to behavior of the family surrounding the crime......

Ruflossn

03-18-2009, 11:01 AM

Very good points,MS.
Ruflossin,you might resent me for this,but I have a feeling someone has lied through their teeth to you,and taken advantage of your goodheartedness.Sorry,just calling how I see it.

Hi k4kathy~
I do not resent your opinion at all. And no need to apologize. How could I resent someone who sees me as having good heartedness? :)

Flossie

sheza

03-18-2009, 02:27 PM

waltzingmatilda

03-18-2009, 07:34 PM

I have a poodle and if someone shot a gun around her she would run straight home no matter where she was.
The only reason she would not is if the person that made the scary loud noise was there.
Then if she was made to be around that person she would tremble/shake.

This is a very insightful observation on dog behavior, sheza. I have 2 'grandogs' (large mixed breeds) ,who I helped raise while my kids lived at home, in additon to my 2 chihuahua mixes. After my daughter moved out, her apt. was burglarized and trashed by her ex boyfriend while she and her roommates were working and her dog was home alone during the break-in. Poor fellow is still traumatized although it has been several years since the incident. He displays nervous yet aggressive behaviour to this day when a male of short stature is present. He's a handsome lab/border collie mix.:)

ArizonaGiGi

03-18-2009, 09:01 PM

I have a poodle and if someone shot a gun around her she would run straight home no matter where she was.
The only reason she would not is if the person that made the scary loud noise was there.
Then if she was made to be around that person she would tremble/shake

Sheza
I NEVER even thought of it that way. But you're right. Being a dog person I totally understand what you are saying. So maybe the little chihuahua KNEW the shooter(s) ! Which brings me to think.... Hmmmm ....

I am now wondering if that could be why it was removed from the house and "relocated" to the farmers place?? :eek: I really really hope not.

WM, would you mind posting the info you found re: the person that talks to dogs? that'd be great if we could have her talk to the dog. It may be the break in the case?!?!

ArizonaGiGi

03-19-2009, 01:55 AM

Here is the info from re: psychic. This was posted by USARDOG back on page 20 of the Psychic thread;

Beatrice Lydecker talks to dogs. If the dog was there with the girls, he/she saw the killing and Beatrice might be able to get a description from the dog. She does readings over the phone... I have met her and was very impressed with what she is able to do.

Bea@BeaLydecker.com <Bea@BeaLydecker.com>

Me talking here: I think it's worth a shot to have this person "talk" to Taylors dog. One of our members (USARDOG) has met this person and speaks highly of them. That's good enough for me. Now if it comes down to $$ I will gladly pay Bea for her time. It's the least I can do for the girls.
RUF can you arrange this since you know how to locate the chihuahua? This may be the break we have all been waiting for.

Thank you WM for finding this information! You rock!

wfgodot

03-19-2009, 12:17 PM

'Yes,' said Father Brown, 'I always like a dog, so long as he isn't spelt backwards.'
(...)
'The dog could almost have told you the story, if he could talk,' said the priest. 'All I complain of is that because he couldn't talk you made up his story for him, and made him talk with the tongues of men and angels. It's part of something I've noticed more and more in the modern world, appearing in all sorts of newspaper rumours and conversational catchwords; something that's arbitrary without being authoritative. People readily swallow the untested claims of this, that, or the other. It's drowning all your old rationalism and scepticism, it's coming in like a sea; and the name of it is superstition.'

G.K. Chesterton, "The Oracle of the Dog" (1923)

sheza

03-19-2009, 03:03 PM

This is a very insightful observation on dog behavior, sheza. I have 2 'grandogs' (large mixed breeds) ,who I helped raise while my kids lived at home, in additon to my 2 chihuahua mixes. After my daughter moved out, her apt. was burglarized and trashed by her ex boyfriend while she and her roommates were working and her dog was home alone during the break-in. Poor fellow is still traumatized although it has been several years since the incident. He displays nervous yet aggressive behaviour to this day when a male of short stature is present. He's a handsome lab/border collie mix.:)

I do believe Taylor's dog would have showed some different behaviors if payed close attention to.... clues!

sheza

03-19-2009, 03:18 PM

I wish investigators would pay closer attention to the pets of victims of crime.
Especially house pets.

waltzingmatilda

03-20-2009, 07:15 PM

I wish investigators would pay closer attention to the pets of victims of crime.
Especially house pets.

I agree sheza. Your post reminded me of Nicole Brown Simpson's dog which was heard barking by neighbors the night she and Ron Goldman were murdered. If the neighbors had only investigated why........
:doh:

ArizonaGiGi

03-20-2009, 07:57 PM

I agree sheza. Your post reminded me of Nicole Brown Simpson's dog which was heard barking by neighbors the night she and Ron Goldman were murdered. If the neighbors had only investigated why........
:doh:

killed by a family member

wfgodot

03-22-2009, 05:28 PM

I still think we're barking up the wrong tree (sorry) with the dog thing, but do want to interject that the dog in the Simpson case was famously described by a passerby that infamous night, at the trial, as having made A PLAINTIVE WAIL, which is a phrase which will stick in the language for some time to come.

I referenced the Chesterton quote (above) because, at the time I found this thread, I was reading that very story, and thus couldn't resist. If you all like mystery detective things, he's a very good read---Chesterton was English, and a Roman Catholic, and his Father Brown series thus is a bit theological for some tastes, but he's a great writer and the rewards of reading him are many. (Or try his novel "The Man Who Was Thursday," which is in my all-time Top Five. Alarmingly good, that one.)

SailorMoon

03-22-2009, 05:33 PM

I just find it so freaking sad, disgusting, a lot of emotions come to mind that its been almost a year and it appears (to me anyway) that LE has no clue. I check in every now and then....was the dog moved to another home??? If so...that's telling, to me.

wfgodot

03-22-2009, 05:46 PM

When I'm not being snooty and advertising myself by issuing forth with Chesterton quotes and pretending I'm above the fray, SailorMoon, I do occasionally take time to read things more closely than I did, perhaps, on first read, and I think your logic in that is impeccable: it could in fact be very telling, as a human decision and not as a matter of the dog "telling" us something him- or herself, but as a matter of the owners indirectly doing so. I see what you mean, and a very good point it is. Because I, too, "find it so freaking sad, disgusting, a lot of emotions come to mind" that this case is languishing and all but about to disappear. And a detail like that, about the dog, could be very close to home indeed. I apologize for not thinking beyond my first impulse.

Mysterylover

04-26-2009, 12:22 PM

Sheza
I NEVER even thought of it that way. But you're right.
Being a dog person I totally understand what you are saying.

So maybe the little chihuahua KNEW the shooter(s) ! Which brings me to think.... Hmmmm ....

I am now wondering if that could be why it was removed from the house and "relocated" to the farmers place?? :eek: I really really hope not.

ArizonaGiGi,
Animals are more intelligent than some people would think...
Yes, I believe the little Chihuahua saw who murdered the girls and remembered that traumatizing event that day.

The girls was 'supposely' less than 300 feet from the P. house when shot 13 times, and the little Chihuahua did not run to the P. yard or T.'s playhouse for safety, or to hide, instead running in the direction of the bridge..

I always felt that had some meaning behind it.

Now someone in the P. family gets rid of T.'s tiny dog...this comes across to me as being very cold and unattached...who's ideal was that?..Hmmmm!!

I have never heard of anything like this being done when a loved one dies...