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michelle
07-02-2008, 03:21 PM
Not yet.
Thanks, this thread is moving so fast I cant keep up!:eek:

pjop
07-02-2008, 03:23 PM
First Name: JOHN
Middle Name: STEPHEN
Last Name: GROSENHEIDER

http://www.familywatchdog.us/ViewOffenderConvictions.asp?oID=TX03740858&aID=&at=1&sid=&sp=1&nm=1

Now you guys are confusing me. THIS IS NOT KEVIN THE LANDLORD!!!!


OK. I think I'm straight on that now. Thanks!

evelyn24
07-02-2008, 03:23 PM
nevermind..ss post was edited.

ella's mom
07-02-2008, 03:24 PM
I want to make CERTAIN people understand while the last name is the same...they are not the same person and not from the same city. While they could be related...this has absolutely NO known connection to Brooke's case or the case of AR.
Thanks SS. Got excited.

I deleted both of my posts related to this.

Leila
07-02-2008, 03:25 PM
So they think they are getting closer to finding Brooke? I don't know if that is good news or not since they have only been conducting searches on his property and home.

Does it mean the men have been giving up bits of information? The best thing that could happen is to pit the two men against each other and one caves in (which they are probably doing).

I am outraged by the grandmother's and mother's comments! While we complained about them not speaking out...maybe they should go back to silence. The things they have said lead me to believe that they care more about their lifestyle and those two men than this poor girl. Blaming the real victims in this case isn't going to bode well for anyone!

I recall Sheriff Brown using much the same tactic in the Maria Lauterbach case asking her to just "come home". They found her body soon afterwards.

I'm just catching up on today's thread. I'm outraged at the behavior of Brooke's mother, aunt, and grandmother! If Brooke is found alive and well, I hope her biological father will sue for custody.

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 03:26 PM
How computers help get criminals caught ie; the Brooke Bennett case.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1965161&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749

nanandjim
07-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Not yet.
I also have not gone back and picked up where I left off. So, I want to apologize if this has been mentioned. I now suspect that this Jacques used Brooke's Myspace as a lure for other young girls. I think that he probably pretended that he was a Myspace friend. She probably thought that she was going to meet this friend and visit with a relative of hers. It was MJ setting up this ruse, knowing no one would come and get her at the convenience store. Then, AR is used to lure her back to the house for her initiation sex with MJ. She fights with him or threatens to report him; and he then kills her. That's why he told AR to leave, IMO. I think that Brooke is dead. I hope that I am wrong. I hope AR is able to provide them with enough information to find Brooke. IMO, she did not run away.

I just don't know how Ray Gagnon plays into all of this. Is he a RSO, too? Do you guys think that he molested his stepdaughters? How does he know MJ? Sorry, if all of this has been covered, but there is so much to keep track of.

Class-z
07-02-2008, 03:27 PM
I'm just catching up on today's thread. I'm outraged at the behavior of Brooke's mother, aunt, and grandmother! If Brooke is found alive and well, I hope her biological father will sue for custody.

He shouldn't have to sue for anythihg, the children should be taken away from both these mother's and grandmother's and their parental rights revoked. The birth father should have his child immediately turned over ot him, although I fear she is dead. :(

ella's mom
07-02-2008, 03:28 PM
I'm just catching up on today's thread. I'm outraged at the behavior of Brooke's mother, aunt, and grandmother! If Brooke is found alive and well, I hope her biological father will sue for custody.
I agree - wonder if they are still trying to protect these monsters.

murdershewrote
07-02-2008, 03:29 PM
after reading the affidavit, do the Feds think she was transported over states lines (for sex), that's the way I read it?

fran
07-02-2008, 03:30 PM
I also have not gone back and picked up where I left off. So, I want to apologize if this has been mentioned. I now suspect that this Jacques used Brooke's Myspace as a lure for other young girls. I think that he probably pretended that he was a Myspace friend. She probably thought that she was going to meet this friend and visit with a relative of hers. It was MJ setting up this ruse, knowing no one would come and get her at the convenience store. Then, AR is used to lure her back to the house for her initiation sex with MJ. She fights with him or threatens to report him; and he then kills her. That's why he told AR to leave, IMO. I think that Brooke is dead. I hope that I am wrong. I hope AR is able to provide them with enough information to find Brooke. IMO, she did not run away.

I just don't know how Ray Gagnon plays into all of this. Is he a RSO, too? Do you guys think that he molested his stepdaughters? How does he know MJ? Sorry, if all of this has been covered, but there is so much to keep track of.


Nan:
This will answer a lot of your questions.

fran

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11201072.PDF

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 03:30 PM
Thanks, this thread is moving so fast I cant keep up!:eek:

YW. I understand.

If you haven't read this... You should... It explains much of what has happened today... (YUCK.. Just to warn you, be prepared to be sick...)

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuziQ http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2344062#post2344062)
Gagnon affidavit

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...BT11201072.PDF (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11201072.PDF)

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:30 PM
Sadly, the only hope for Brooke being still alive would be that they "sold" her or otherwise passed her off to other men, imo. It isn't the scenario we would want either way for this darling girl. Here we are tho. :(

dontpanic38
07-02-2008, 03:30 PM
Wow! I appologize for the confusion! I wanted to get the link out here quickly because of the possibility that it was relevant. I understood at the time that the people are two different people, but the last name is not exactly a name you hear a lot, and the fact that two people in the same state with the same uncommon name have child porn tied to them may not be related but the fact that one of the young victims was lead to believe in a huge conspiracy made me think that I had to get it out there for the real slueths to chew on

I will make sure I try to not post in such a frenzy!!! Sorry!!! :)

Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 03:31 PM
I agree - wonder if they are still trying to protect these monsters.


I've seen this exact thing happen first hand with a cousin. Unfortunately the child was basically disowned by the fathers side of the family and she is really messed up. As for her father, who molested other immediate family members, he lives with mommy dearest and can do no wrong.

CarpeDiem
07-02-2008, 03:32 PM
OK. I think I'm straight on that now. Thanks!

Me too. That's been a danger from the start of the discussions with all the hits on names.

Sleuthster
07-02-2008, 03:33 PM
Wow, I wonder if Grandma has read the affidavid. They're dragin the family through the mud again grandma.


Seriously though, I don't think she is alive I am sorry. That report made me sick! That poor girl.

I wonder what finally made the cousin tell the truth? IMO I think she knows even more.

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 03:33 PM
He shouldn't have to sue for anythihg, the children should be taken away from both these mother's and grandmother's and their parental rights revoked. The birth father should have his child immediately turned over ot him, although I fear she is dead. :(

I agree, Class.

Child neglect, child endangerment, contributing to the delinquency of a minor... and about 100 other charges seem apparent.

Class-z
07-02-2008, 03:35 PM
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS/51634168\

If they took her over state lines then couldn't they then go for the death penalty?

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:35 PM
Wow! I appologize for the confusion! I wanted to get the link out here quickly because of the possibility that it was relevant. I understood at the time that the people are two different people, but the last name is not exactly a name you hear a lot, and the fact that two people in the same state with the same uncommon name have child porn tied to them may not be related but the fact that one of the young victims was lead to believe in a huge conspiracy made me think that I had to get it out there for the real slueths to chew on

I will make sure I try to not post in such a frenzy!!! Sorry!!! :)I knew you realized it wasn't the same, but others who don't take the time to read during a blitz here would. I saw it getting out of control quickly. If you find a connection between the men...that is a different story. Someone should check to see if they are related in any way. It is possible. The name to me is German and I have heard it before so there could be many of them in any state. Sorry...didn't mean to sound so bossy and certainly wasn't trying to be rude! I just felt like it wasn't part of the case at this point and people were going to make it so which would terribly confuse things more than they already are. Hugs~ (It was a good find! Just go check out that POS's connections now.)

Chica
07-02-2008, 03:36 PM
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If they took her over state lines then couldn't they then go for the death penalty?

I don't think the feds necessarily think they took Brooke over state lines, BUT, it sounds like Gagnon crossed state lines last summer to have sex with Juvenile 1.

pjop
07-02-2008, 03:36 PM
Wow! I appologize for the confusion! I wanted to get the link out here quickly because of the possibility that it was relevant. I understood at the time that the people are two different people, but the last name is not exactly a name you hear a lot, and the fact that two people in the same state with the same uncommon name have child porn tied to them may not be related but the fact that one of the young victims was lead to believe in a huge conspiracy made me think that I had to get it out there for the real slueths to chew on

I will make sure I try to not post in such a frenzy!!! Sorry!!! :)

No worries. Like you said.....not exactly a common name! And both in Texas.

Liz
07-02-2008, 03:38 PM
Hey, don't panic ;)

I think you did some good sleuthing. For all we know, it could be the same guy, going by a different name now. And then again, maybe it's not. It isn't a common name, that's for sure.

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 03:38 PM
I don't think the feds necessarily think they took Brooke over state lines, BUT, it sounds like Gagnon crossed state lines last summer to have sex with Juvenile 1.

And w/internet child porn it also makes it a Federal Case, correct...???...

CarpeDiem
07-02-2008, 03:39 PM
don't panic38, :blowkiss:. You did fine.

Amster
07-02-2008, 03:40 PM
In an earlier link....Cassandra describes GAGnon as very intelligent....book smart....

That's great, Cassandra, how do you feel about him being a child rapist?

tamfish
07-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I don't think the feds necessarily think they took Brooke over state lines, BUT, it sounds like Gagnon crossed state lines last summer to have sex with Juvenile 1.

This is apparently true, judging by the affidavit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also a federal matter when someone uses the INTERNET for criminal purposes (as in this case)??

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I don't think the feds necessarily think they took Brooke over state lines, BUT, it sounds like Gagnon crossed state lines last summer to have sex with Juvenile 1.Unless during all this time, Gagnon was allowed to take Brooke to his home in TX. Then they could make a case for that.

I think the Federal charges are stemming from the two passing porn across the internet and messing with Brooke's myspace account. This activity goes directly to Federal.

Class-z
07-02-2008, 03:40 PM
I don't think the feds necessarily think they took Brooke over state lines, BUT, it sounds like Gagnon crossed state lines last summer to have sex with Juvenile 1.

Ah, well the Feds are involved so they could charge death penalty if they find that they killed her and disposed of the body don't we think?

These monsters need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Life in prison is not good enough, they could still get out

The horror of all of this, is just beyond belief

SailorMoon
07-02-2008, 03:41 PM
I thought I read in that affidavit that RG came to vermont and had sex with AR. GEEZE. I'll bet he was a regular visitor to Vermont.

AGAIN-- is Denise blind and deaf?? I haven't seen her but she better freaking be at this point. Her daughter was molested for over 5 years and he brought other men to do it as well. And dear old Cassandra --- she never noticed that Ray was in town?? Bull crap. Charge them both.

I also have not gone back and picked up where I left off. So, I want to apologize if this has been mentioned. I now suspect that this Jacques used Brooke's Myspace as a lure for other young girls. I think that he probably pretended that he was a Myspace friend. She probably thought that she was going to meet this friend and visit with a relative of hers. It was MJ setting up this ruse, knowing no one would come and get her at the convenience store. Then, AR is used to lure her back to the house for her initiation sex with MJ. She fights with him or threatens to report him; and he then kills her. That's why he told AR to leave, IMO. I think that Brooke is dead. I hope that I am wrong. I hope AR is able to provide them with enough information to find Brooke. IMO, she did not run away.

I just don't know how Ray Gagnon plays into all of this. Is he a RSO, too? Do you guys think that he molested his stepdaughters? How does he know MJ? Sorry, if all of this has been covered, but there is so much to keep track of.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:42 PM
If she was killed in VT...no DP no matter what the circumstances.

luthersmama
07-02-2008, 03:43 PM
This is apparently true, judging by the affidavit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also a federal matter when someone uses the INTERNET for criminal purposes (as in this case)??

Yes. And they got into Brooke's account, which is another violation. They apparently transmitted child porn over the internet and across state lines.

They are lifers for sure, even if Brooke is alive (which I doubt).

dontpanic38
07-02-2008, 03:44 PM
I knew you realized it wasn't the same, but others who don't take the time to read during a blitz here would. I saw it getting out of control quickly. If you find a connection between the men...that is a different story. Someone should check to see if they are related in any way. It is possible. The name to me is German and I have heard it before so there could be many of them in any state. Sorry...didn't mean to sound so bossy and certainly wasn't trying to be rude! I just felt like it wasn't part of the case at this point and people were going to make it so which would terribly confuse things more than they already are. Hugs~ (It was a good find! Just go check out that POS's connections now.)


I am looking around, still trying to keep all of the facts and names straight.

I did just run into an obit that lists (A) Kevin as a relative in Anniston Alabama with other relatives in Austin Texas. I have to go back, but why did Alabama jump out at me?
To add to the confusion (sorry!) the obit is from Wisconsin....

Anyway, SS, you do a great job at keeping order and while I have found myself disagreeing with some of your thoughts I really do respect and admire how on top of things you are around here! Thanks!!!

Class-z
07-02-2008, 03:44 PM
If she was killed in VT...no DP no matter what the circumstances.

which means there are no deals to be made with these two. They have nothing to loose keeping quiet

All the info is having to come from a little girl.

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 03:45 PM
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208a_royalton.html

STATE OF VERMONT
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
VERMONT STATE POLICE
PRESS RELEASE
PRESS CONFERENCE CANCELLED
MISSING BROOKE BENNETT
July 2, 2008
(more at link)

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:45 PM
I thought I read in that affidavit that RG came to vermont and had sex with AR. GEEZE. I'll bet he was a regular visitor to Vermont.

AGAIN-- is Denise blind and deaf?? I haven't seen her but she better freaking be at this point. Her daughter was molested for over 5 years and he brought other men to do it as well. And dear old Cassandra --- she never noticed that Ray was in town?? Bull crap. Charge them both.LE stated that Ray was a regular visitor to VT because "he had relatives there" and then he added something to the affect of "Let's just leave it at that.". Now I know what he meant. They knew he did come for that purpose, but weren't going to release it.

Obviously, Ray Gagnon is talking A LOT. Which is great! I wonder what Uncle Creepy is saying? Ray is giving him up.

ella's mom
07-02-2008, 03:46 PM
I knew you realized it wasn't the same, but others who don't take the time to read during a blitz here would. I saw it getting out of control quickly. If you find a connection between the men...that is a different story. Someone should check to see if they are related in any way. It is possible. The name to me is German and I have heard it before so there could be many of them in any state. Sorry...didn't mean to sound so bossy and certainly wasn't trying to be rude! I just felt like it wasn't part of the case at this point and people were going to make it so which would terribly confuse things more than they already are. Hugs~ (It was a good find! Just go check out that POS's connections now.)
Just did a search for Kevin Grosenheider in Texas. I could not find a San Antonio residence, but possible relatives include a J Grosenheider (age 47).

When I did the opposite search for John Stephen Grosenheider. Possible relative included Kevein D Grosenheider (age 57).

Not positive that these are the same people. Will keep looking.

Cities THIS kevin have lived in include:
San Marcos
Austin
Kerrville
Pflugerville

Hope that helps

Amster
07-02-2008, 03:46 PM
So....I wonder if A.R. has explained what Brooke was doing that morning? Why she acted so strange in the store? Why she went in the opposite direction when she left the store?

Hopefully, at this point, A.R. has someone besides pathetic Denise with her during questioning. Someone she can feel safe with....

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:47 PM
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208a_royalton.html

STATE OF VERMONT
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
VERMONT STATE POLICE
PRESS RELEASE
PRESS CONFERENCE CANCELLED
MISSING BROOKE BENNETT
July 2, 2008
(more at link)Oh, NO! I hope it doesn't mean what I fear it does, Suzi.

CarpeDiem
07-02-2008, 03:47 PM
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208a_royalton.html

STATE OF VERMONT
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
VERMONT STATE POLICE
PRESS RELEASE
PRESS CONFERENCE CANCELLED
MISSING BROOKE BENNETT
July 2, 2008

(more at link)


Hopefully that means they are going to sit down with her Dad and give him some information, before they give it to the world. :confused:

believe09
07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
I know I could be behind all of you but this link is very very specific on what happened to Brooke according to her cousin
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2008/07/02/vigil_planned_for_missing_vt_girl/

Leila
07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
I am going to defend her Bio father, Jim, here. He was never married to her mother. They were totally split up by the time Brooke was 16 mos. old. We don't know about the legal agreement they had between them concerning his rights or if they had one at all. He stayed in her life and tried to protect her while he had her under his roof, but he was in no position to dictate to the mom what happened at her home without proof. He did express his concerns many times, but the mother failed to protect her and willingly put Brooke in the care of MJ on a regular basis. While he should have taken further action against the mother in hindsight, if he had lost in court to win custody...he may have lost his daughter to that horrid family then because of the secrets they were hiding. The mother could have simply moved to TX and out of his reach for visits.

The best thing in Brooke's life is her father, step-mother, and half-siblings.

I agree. I saw an interview with Jim and Janet Bennett on Nancy Grace on Monday evening. At that time it was stated that Jim had a tour of duty in Iraq that also took him away from his family and Brooke for a period of time. The Bennetts said that they told Brooke that she could come to them with anything at any time, leaving the door open so to speak as a safe haven. I believe the Bennetts should have had custody of Brooke.

believe09
07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
Hopefully that means they are going to sit down with her Dad and give him some information, before they give it to the world. :confused:

Uh-oh

philamena
07-02-2008, 03:48 PM
I am totally sickened by today's 'news'.
We suspected it..... but how could this child's ***** mother allow her to be around her step father and uncle who are sexual predators? flippin sick sick sick. :furious::furious::furious::behindbar

To take this young girl and take her innocence and most likely her life. :banghead:

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:49 PM
Initially a press conference was scheduled for 4:00 this afternoon (July 2, 2008) at the Whitcomb High School in Bethel, VT. This press conference is cancelled as a result of no additional information to report.

If breaking information develops, Sgt. Tara Thomas of the Vermont State Police will call for an immediate press conference. This will be done via e-mail. If this occurs, the press conference will be held at the Whitcomb High School in Bethel, Vermont.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208a_royalton.html

Well...we know this is a huge whopper as we know for a fact this affidavit brings to light definite additional information to report.

cheko1
07-02-2008, 03:49 PM
I have been following this since it started, as it is in my neck of the woods. I was finally just activated to speak on the site.

Anyway, I think that we can assume that AR was threatened into doing this, as I doubt she ever would it done it without that threat. How sad. She must be feeling terrible right now. But something tells me she knows me that she is scared to tell.

Welcome to WS VTGirl!

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 03:50 PM
which means there are no deals to be made with these two. They have nothing to loose keeping quiet

All the info is having to come from a little girl.

Well, it may not be legal or politically correct, but LE/Feds could tell them that the two of them would find the rest of their lives being lived in much "safer conditions" IF THEY HELP THEM FIND BROOKE...

Otherwise the "general population" of inmates might just choose 'have their way with them'...in a most violent way.

tamfish
07-02-2008, 03:50 PM
I am looking around, still trying to keep all of the facts and names straight.

I did just run into an obit that lists (A) Kevin as a relative in Anniston Alabama with other relatives in Austin Texas. I have to go back, but why did Alabama jump out at me?
To add to the confusion (sorry!) the obit is from Wisconsin....

Anyway, SS, you do a great job at keeping order and while I have found myself disagreeing with some of your thoughts I really do respect and admire how on top of things you are around here! Thanks!!!

Dontpanic: Maybe Alabama jumped out at you because Brooke's sister (stepsister?) Savanna, on her myspace, uses the name "Bamababy" or something similar??

luthersmama
07-02-2008, 03:52 PM
which means there are no deals to be made with these two. They have nothing to loose keeping quiet

All the info is having to come from a little girl.

Not true. Gagnon has spilled all sorts of info. He is apparently trying to cooperate so as not to be charged with conspiracy to commit murder. Although he faces serious charges as it is, a conspiracy charge in state court would be bad for him.

concernedperson
07-02-2008, 03:52 PM
Initially a press conference was scheduled for 4:00 this afternoon (July 2, 2008) at the Whitcomb High School in Bethel, VT. This press conference is cancelled as a result of no additional information to report.

If breaking information develops, Sgt. Tara Thomas of the Vermont State Police will call for an immediate press conference. This will be done via e-mail. If this occurs, the press conference will be held at the Whitcomb High School in Bethel, Vermont.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208a_royalton.html

Well...we know this is a huge whopper as we know for a fact this affidavit brings to light definite additional information to report.

I think it just means that LE doesn't want to talk about any of this right now. Since things are happening fast they may have developed other leads...other people etc. and are investigating fast and furious.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:53 PM
Well, it may not be legal or politically correct, but LE/Feds could tell them that the two of them would find the rest of their lives being lived in much "safer conditions" IF THEY HELP THEM FIND BROOKE...

Otherwise the "general population" of inmates might just choose 'have their way with them'...in a most violent way.There is a strict policy in place for sexual offenders in prisons and they are never permitted in general population. I don't think that threat will work.

I think they both know they are serious trouble and facing a lifetime in Prison tho. I just think Ray might be talking because he knows that he did not kill her and it will squarely put that on MJ.

christine2448
07-02-2008, 03:54 PM
I know I could be behind all of you but this link is very very specific on what happened to Brooke according to her cousin
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2008/07/02/vigil_planned_for_missing_vt_girl/

Thanks believe....here is the entire affidavit:

Gagnon affidavit

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...BT11201072.PDF (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11201072.PDF)

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 03:55 PM
I think it just means that LE doesn't want to talk about any of this right now. Since things are happening fast they may have developed other leads...other people etc. and are investigating fast and furious.

At the end of yesterdays presser the reporters were up in arms not getting answers. I think VSP doesn't want to answer specifically what happened to Brooke and if they are looking for a body.

Class-z
07-02-2008, 03:56 PM
I know I could be behind all of you but this link is very very specific on what happened to Brooke according to her cousin
http://www.boston.com/news/local/vermont/articles/2008/07/02/vigil_planned_for_missing_vt_girl/

We know that Uncle Creepy took Brooke back to the house and for what. Has that house been taped off yet as a crime scene?

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:57 PM
I think it just means that LE doesn't want to talk about any of this right now. Since things are happening fast they may have developed other leads...other people etc. and are investigating fast and furious.I think it is quite possible at this point they may have found Brooke's body. They pull pressers frequently for that reason. Altho, you could be right and it is they don't have time nor want to discuss the affidavit.

dontpanic38
07-02-2008, 03:57 PM
Didn't Brooke live in Alabama? I don't really pay a lot of attention to any of the myspace angle because it gets too confusing. I can see now that the last name is not as uncommon as I thought but I still believe that there are a lot more to this than I believed possible...

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:57 PM
We know that Uncle Creepy took Brooke back to the house and for what. Has that house been taped off yet as a crime scene?Yes. They have been processing it for days now.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 03:58 PM
Didn't Brooke live in Alabama? I don't really pay a lot of attention to any of the myspace angle because it gets too confusing. I can see now that the last name is not as uncommon as I thought but I still believe that there are a lot more to this than I believed possible...Yes, Brooke lived in Alabama with Ray and Cassandra until she was nine, IIRC. (6 years) Her father and stepmom were considering buying a house to be close to her, but Cassandra moved back to VT instead.

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 03:59 PM
I think it is quite possible at this point they may have found Brooke's body. They pull pressers frequently for that reason. Altho, you could be right and it is they don't have time nor want to discuss the affidavit.

True SS. After this many years of sleuthing you learn to take que's. A presser being pulled, tarps being set up, searchers no longer searching.

We haven't seen tarps in this case. Anyone know if the searchers are still out right now?

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 03:59 PM
There is a strict policy in place for sexual offenders in prisons and they are never permitted in general population. I don't think that threat will work.

I think they both know they are serious trouble and facing a lifetime in Prison tho. I just think Ray might be talking because he knows that he did not kill her and it will squarely put that on MJ.

Thank you, SS, for clearing that legality up for me. Still and yet, "accidents" could happen... If it can be used as a threat to them, I hope they use it...

I agree that Ray is talking now in order to keep his head above the rising Poo... I pray he knows enough to lead them to Brooke and QUICK!

Class-z
07-02-2008, 04:01 PM
Yes, Brooke lived in Alabama with Ray and Cassandra until she was nine, IIRC. (Four years) Her father and stepmom were considering buying a house to be close to her, but Cassandra moved back to VT instead.

I thought it was 3-9, that her bio father said 6 years? Not that, that really matters.

I'm so spitting mad, how this all could go on for so many years and no one saved these babies. I'm just sick

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 04:01 PM
What tarps?! :eek:

I'm talking past experience not this case! lol. Sorry for the confusion.

SuziQ
07-02-2008, 04:04 PM
I edited post 310 to state we haven't seen tarps. Sorry for misleading.

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:04 PM
Thanks SS. Got excited.

I deleted both of my posts related to this.


I also deleted mine

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 04:04 PM
I'm talking past experience not this case! lol. Sorry for the confusion.Whew~! Thanks, Suzi! Yes...being on these type of cases...you do get to where you read between the lines with LE a lot and see the way things happen time and again. It just isn't going to surprise me to find it is the case, but for the time being...we just don't know their reasoning so I shouldn't speculate. (spanking my fingers for putting it out there already.)

jyram
07-02-2008, 04:06 PM
Yes, Brooke lived in Alabama with Ray and Cassandra until she was nine, IIRC. (Four years) Her father and stepmom were considering buying a house to be close to her, but Cassandra moved back to VT instead.

The myspace account also said Cullman, Egypt...it was determined that Cullman is in Alabama. Brooke lived with Cassandra and Ray in Alabama, as SS stated.
Sorry no link to the myspace.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 04:06 PM
I thought it was 3-9, that her bio father said 6 years? Not that, that really matters.

I'm so spitting mad, how this all could go on for so many years and no one saved these babies. I'm just sickYes...you are correct and I was wrong on how long. Thanks!

Amster
07-02-2008, 04:06 PM
A.R. has said there were 3 men....we know who 2 of them are....I'm almost afraid to find out who the 3rd one is. Also, are there other girls? Or, was this just another lie told by creepy?

From the way Brooke was acting in the store video....I have a feeling that there are more awful facts we haven't heard, yet.

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Yes, Brooke lived in Alabama with Ray and Cassandra until she was nine, IIRC. (6 years) Her father and stepmom were considering buying a house to be close to her, but Cassandra moved back to VT instead.


And if I read correctly GAG has child porn of 5 yr olds? LOVELY

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 04:08 PM
I have to go to work now. Keep up the good work here and keep us posted!!

SailorMoon
07-02-2008, 04:08 PM
Who knows how many pervs have looked at all her friend on her myspace pages. I wonder who else has her password and who is logging in.

philamena
07-02-2008, 04:09 PM
I really hope that she did just run away, and now that Jacques and Gagnon are in jail, she'll feel safe enough to come back. I really, really do hope that. But I just have a hard time imagining anyone that age staying gone for this long on her own. My daughter is the same age, and pretty independent, but I don't for a minute think she'd ever stay gone for a full week. Not willingly.

I would love to believe she ran away--- but the odds are against it. :(
Her uncle and step dad are repeat sexual offenders. One of them was the last person seen with Brooke. :(
Some of Brooke's clothes/shoes were found.
One of the scumbags destroyed/took her belongings.
They killed her imo.

Has anyone found a picture of Brooke's stepdad? TIA

barb0301
07-02-2008, 04:11 PM
Just did a search for Kevin Grosenheider in Texas. I could not find a San Antonio residence, but possible relatives include a J Grosenheider (age 47).

When I did the opposite search for John Stephen Grosenheider. Possible relative included Kevein D Grosenheider (age 57).

Not positive that these are the same people. Will keep looking.

Cities THIS kevin have lived in include:
San Marcos
Austin
Kerrville
Pflugerville

Hope that helps

There is a Kevin Grosenheider here in San Antonio, not even 5 miles from my house, and not even 2 miles from my son's middle school. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: It is "the" Kevin Grosenheider Gagnon was staying with. However, I have not yet found anything on him being a RSO. Am still looking for a connection with him and the other Grosenheider listed earlier.

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:11 PM
I would love to believe she ran away--- but the odds are against it. :(
Her uncle and step dad are repeat sexual offenders. One of them was the last person seen with Brooke. :(
Some of Brooke's clothes/shoes were found.
One of the scumbags destroyed her belonging.
They killed her imo.

Has anyone found a picture of Brooke's stepdad? TIA

Has anyone found Gags 1st sexual offense?

philamena
07-02-2008, 04:14 PM
FOX says federal indictment unsealed, says Brooke's uncle brought her back tohouse for sex

NOOOOOOOOoooooooo :eek: :( :(
My Gawd she is only 12.

Sorry but these poslowlifes need to die. :furious:
I agree with whoever said a firing squad should be used.

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:17 PM
There is a Kevin Grosenheider here in San Antonio, not even 5 miles from my house, and not even 2 miles from my son's middle school. :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: It is "the" Kevin Grosenheider Gagnon was staying with. However, I have not yet found anything on him being a RSO. Am still looking for a connection with him and the other Grosenheider listed earlier.


Is address is listed as 5414 Timber Pond Rd San Antonio TX If this helps you

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:19 PM
Correct me if i'm wrong. Gags is renting a room from Grosenheider. Where exactly was Brooke going to stay when she went to visit him? LOVELY

Class-z
07-02-2008, 04:20 PM
I edited post 310 to state we haven't seen tarps. Sorry for misleading.

Oh, thank God, I'll delete mine

barb0301
07-02-2008, 04:21 PM
Is address is listed as 5414 Timber Pond Rd San Antonio TX If this helps you

Yep, that's it - I think the FBI was there early this morning, from what I am hearing. He is not listed as RSO in Texas.

philamena
07-02-2008, 04:26 PM
Has anyone found Gags 1st sexual offense?

swanniee,
I'm looking, no luck yet.

RR0004
07-02-2008, 04:28 PM
Thanks believe....here is the entire affidavit:

Gagnon affidavit

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...BT11201072.PDF (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11201072.PDF)
Ok...I've been out most of the day so I need to catch up. But, I did just read the affidavit...the SOB (Gagnon)...his stepdaughter's own cousin...I'm so IRATE...I can't even calm myself down...and that's all I've read so far...I knew Jacques was stupid enough to catch his own sorry a** up. His work laptop...brilliant...can't refuse...IT'S NOT HIS PROPERTY!! I'm computer illiterate and even I know they can trace IP addresses. Hell, FBI could even emulate into the family computer just by knowing the serial number. Poor Brooke...what a stupid little twit her cousin was. I apologize for my anger. I'll be back after I read and calm down.

concernedperson
07-02-2008, 04:28 PM
swanniee,
I'm looking, no luck yet.

I thought I had read that he had no criminal background. Stand to be corrected. Of course, he will have one now.

angelmom
07-02-2008, 04:29 PM
I am looking around, still trying to keep all of the facts and names straight.

I did just run into an obit that lists (A) Kevin as a relative in Anniston Alabama with other relatives in Austin Texas. I have to go back, but why did Alabama jump out at me?
To add to the confusion (sorry!) the obit is from Wisconsin....

Anyway, SS, you do a great job at keeping order and while I have found myself disagreeing with some of your thoughts I really do respect and admire how on top of things you are around here! Thanks!!!

Anniston and Cullman are not that far apart IIRC. We recently drove through both on our way somewhere.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Anniston+&1s=AL&2c=Cullman&2s=AL

I checked. Actually they are about 100 miles apart. But I guess it is not out of the realm of possibility that Gagnon and Grosenheider know each other from there.

Busylady
07-02-2008, 04:30 PM
I know this might be pure concidence but the John Grosenheider that was posted earlier mothers maiden name is Adams - same as Cassandras. Still doing some searching.

philamena
07-02-2008, 04:32 PM
I thought I had read that he had no criminal background. Stand to be corrected. Of course, he will have one now.


concernedperson,
Gosh, could it be that this is the first time he's been caught?

This case makes me literally sick to my stomach.

christine2448
07-02-2008, 04:32 PM
Ok...I've been out most of the day so I need to catch up. But, I did just read the affidavit...the SOB (Gagnon)...his stepdaughter's own cousin...I'm so IRATE...I can't even calm myself down...and that's all I've read so far...I knew Jacques was stupid enough to catch his own sorry a** up. His work laptop...brilliant...can't refuse...IT'S NOT HIS PROPERTY!! I'm computer illiterate and even I know they can trace IP addresses. Hell, FBI could even emulate into the family computer just by knowing the serial number. Poor Brooke...what a stupid little twit her cousin was. I apologize for my anger. I'll be back after I read and calm down.

IIRC the cousin was being abused also, please don't attack the victims here. Correct me if I am wrong or misunderstood.

luthersmama
07-02-2008, 04:33 PM
New article with artist's sketch of Gagnon

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8610899

bdmama
07-02-2008, 04:34 PM
My mother just came to my house and was at the Post office here in Randolph and said Jim & Janet Bennett were walking into the local police station, which is next to the post office. Not surei f this means anything or not....

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:34 PM
swanniee,
I'm looking, no luck yet.


I didn't find anything either which is why i'm confused that people are saying this is his 2nd offense, From what I'm gathing this would be his 1st bust. Something keeps telling me that these 2 freaks met in some kind of counseling situation. I have nothing to back this up, so IMO!!!

swanniee11
07-02-2008, 04:34 PM
my mother just came to my house and was at the post office here in randolph and said jim & janet bennett were walking into the local police station, which is next to the post office. Not surei f this means anything or not....


oh god!

luthersmama
07-02-2008, 04:36 PM
I didn't find anything either which is why i'm confused that people are saying this is his 2nd offense, From what I'm gathing this would be his 1st bust. Something keeps telling me that these 2 freaks met in some kind of counseling situation. I have nothing to back this up, so IMO!!!

They married sisters. I would assume they met that way.

bdmama
07-02-2008, 04:37 PM
Not sure why they would be going to the local police instead of VSP....maybe to discuss the vigil tonight??

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 04:39 PM
My mother just came to my house and was at the Post office here in Randolph and said Jim & Janet Bennett were walking into the local police station, which is next to the post office. Not surei f this means anything or not....

Oh....That doesn't sound good to me...

CarpeDiem
07-02-2008, 04:39 PM
IIRC the cousin was being abused also, please don't attack the victims here. Correct me if I am wrong or misunderstood.

:clap:

christine2448
07-02-2008, 04:41 PM
Continue here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2344550#post2344550)