View Full Version : Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #6
believe09
07-02-2008, 08:03 PM
I don't think we've heard the entire story, yet. I think something happened with Brooke the night before she was taken to that store.
The next arrest I want to hear about is Denise....and the 3rd man....
Also, does MJ have a brother?
In the affidavit, it states that Gagnon had pictures from Jacques showing juvenile 1 having sex with her minor boyfriend-any chance the minor boyfriend is the same person she supposedly left with once Uncle J told her to go from the house?
gaia227
07-02-2008, 08:03 PM
I think Gagnon knew exactly what was going on. He accessed her myspace at Jacques request and made changes.
Poor Brooke, she did not stand a chance with a mother like she had who allowed her to be subjected to the presence of known sex offenders. It sounds like Brooke tried to fight and he killed her.
May Jacques be someone's little bitch in prison for years and years and years to come.
dark_shadows
07-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Dark Shadows...do you know where the closest medical examiners office would be, I guess that's where they would have taken her. What is the closest "big" town?
My dearest Murdershewrote,:blowkiss:
The ME office is in Burlington. My friend is an ME.
http://healthvermont.gov/hc/med_exam/med_index.aspx
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
According to CNN, body may have been found :( :(
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/02/missing.vermont.girl.ap/index.html
i.b.nora
07-02-2008, 08:04 PM
Police Believe They Have Found Brooke's Body (http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8612211)
"Bethel, Vermont - July 2, 2008
Police believe they have found the remains of Brooke Bennett, 12, of Braintree.
"It is with a heavy heart... and deep sadness... that I announce we have located what we believe to be the remains of Brooke Bennett," said Vt. State Police Col. James Baker. "This death is clearly suspicious. It appears to be foul play."
Police say the remains were found on property on Crocker Road in Randolph near the home of Michael Jacques. Tuesday, investigators found ground there that had been recently disturbed. Wednesday, a search found the body there. Police say Brooke's body was recovered at 4:45 p.m.
"Brooke was located as a result of information developed during the search of Michael Jacques' residence. The information developed led investigators to Crocker Road," explained Baker.
An autopsy will be performed in Burlington to confirm it is Brooke and to try to find the cause of death. Brooke's family was notified of the discovery.
"The painful discovery of Brooke's body today is tragic and heartbreaking," said Baker."
... more
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:05 PM
In the affidavit, it states that Gagnon had pictures from Jacques showing juvenile 1 having sex with her minor boyfriend-any chance the minor boyfriend is the same person she supposedly left with once Uncle J told her to go from the house?I think there is every chance it is him.
Samigirl28
07-02-2008, 08:05 PM
Well, this just breaks my heart! I can't believe this has happened again, but at the same time I'm sure many of us suspected this would be the outcome.
So many people failed this girl and her cousin. Her cousin is so damaged right now she can't be held responsible for anything. She'll always survivor's guilt now to contend with.
Maybe now Vermont will get it's act together. Over and over again, this state has sided with judges' rulings and gone soft on the offenders, and they almost always repeat. They can't be stopped, no matter what type of "treatment" they get. Jacques should NEVER have been allowed to be out of prison for his last offense.
The moms- don't even get me started. I can't feel sympathy for them right now. I truly believe this woman Denise had to have known what was going on, Cassandra- who knows right now, but where was she through all of this- not there for her daughter, that's for sure. Ignorance is NOT an excuse. If my kids go off for more than an hour without checking in, I'm out there checking up.
Shep Smith just indicated that she was raped by one or more men that day! I can't stand this. My deepest sympathies for Brooke's Aunt, Jim Bennett and his wife. My own son was due on July 12, 1995, but came out on the 9th instead. He's healthy and happy, and she should be too.
believe09
07-02-2008, 08:06 PM
Damn it all to hell. And no Death Penalty.
Damn it.
Yeah-OMG, poor, poor baby.
Yeah-OMG, poor, poor baby.
On this we agree :mad:
FourWands
07-02-2008, 08:08 PM
I feel for AR. She must have such terrible survivor's guilt right now...
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:09 PM
I think Shep might be going on what was told to AR prior by her uncle about Brooke going off to the program to have sex with adult men. No mention of other men were in the affidavit except for the minor boyfriend of AR and it stated he never entered the home at that time.
Affidavit containing the evidence against Raymond Gagnon (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf)
Samigirl28
07-02-2008, 08:11 PM
Thanks for clarifying that Seriously- this is terrible enough without that additional bit of info.
I can't help but think that they both were in cahoots and were somehow going to abduct Brooke. There would be no other reason to post that message the day BEFORE her disappearance. Jacques was setting it up to look like an Internet abduction. Maybe, he was doing this just in case she threatened to tell and he decided to kill her.
I just cannot see Gagnon agreeing to get involved in a murder coverup unless this is the tip of the iceberg for both of them. I just have to shake my head. You mean to tell me that Brooke's mother and AR's mother knew or suspected nothing. You will never get me to believe that AR's mother did not know that something was going on with all of those (neon) signs at her house.
I could be wrong, but from what I understood, the last message on Brooke's MySpace blog was originally posted the night before she disappeared (or early a.m.). However, it was accessed twice or so the next evening and 'altered' by the San Antonio based computer (which would be the step dad). FWIW, the original message could have been something completely benign, and changed to make it look sinister (ie she was meeting someone). I'm not quite clear on this, but I'm thinking they may have even attempted to alter the posting time of it.
I'll wait until everything comes out. I know that just prior to the uncle calling LE early the morning after Brooke was reported missing, the uncle and step dad had a long conversation (about 20 minutes). It was after this conversation, I believe, that the uncle called LE to find out what the LE plan of action was for investigating Brooke's disappearance.
Sounds like he was fishing, IMO, to see what to get rid of.
JMHO
fran
murdershewrote
07-02-2008, 08:12 PM
interesting...I thought most crime labs didn't do autopsies, only ME's do. I looked up the Vermont State Crime Lab (one came up in Waterbury VT) but it said nothing about providing autopsy services. Just evidence, DNA and such. Wherever she is, I hope they are the best and find out everything about what happened to Brooke.
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 08:13 PM
The sickest D part of this is that Brooke's death was SO friggin preventable....
As a mother and as a former teacher, I have always felt that my #1 job was to keep my children safe and to protect them in every way humanly possible.
Bless your sweet heart Brookie. May you now be held safe in the comforting arms of God.
dark_shadows
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
The myspace posts were shown tonight on WPTZ, it also showed the ones that Gagnon changed. It showed the actual posts and the fact that the time and date was changed on one. Also that Gagnon changed the posts and changed the user name and password of Brooke's account. He said he got the password from Jacques.
Here is the link to what was posted;
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11201072.PDF
Respectfully,
dark_shadows
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
We can't forget there may still be other victims of Ray Gagnon and Michael Jacques. Everything that AR has said seems to be true and she did say two other girls were in the program with her plus at least one other man (maybe more).
This also doesn't account for the many others they have undoubtedly assaulted up until now. I hope as the charges mount and the reality they will NOT get bail or have the possibility of ever getting out...the children will begin to come forward to testify against these animals.
vickycopsy
07-02-2008, 08:14 PM
Poor Brooke, I am just outraged at the American way of letting rapists, child abusers, child molester go FREE after serving a minimal sentence. I have never believed that rehabilitation for pedophiles or child molesters is possible. This is how I view it:
I am a diet Coke junkie, and if diet Coke became illegal, and I was not legally allowed to "have" it I guess I would have to stop enjoying it. But, if I was surrounded by diet Coke constantly, I would eventually partake in it, because I would always probably want one!
The same with perverts, serving jail time never "stops" them from wanting young children for sex, even therapy can't stop the sexual urges if that is what is in their blood! Putting convicted sex offenders right back into the community where children are readily available is just asking for relapse. It is like putting me on diet! Show me enough candy and eventually I am going to break down and have that Snickers bar.
I am mad big time at the court systems and the idiots who free these rapists and I am mad at Denise and Cassandra for being remiss about thier daughters safety. NO ONE is that stupid or innocent, NO ONE. I am sure Denise and Cassandra both have been around the block enough to know a low life when they see one.
FourWands
07-02-2008, 08:15 PM
My husband just said another Amber Alert has been issued in Vermont... Huh?? Anyone else hear this?
All through this missing person case, police were focusing on this being a myspace person contact to contact. I am thinking... could the person Brooke was talking to could have been her uncle in disguise??? .... to lure her into the "sex ring" ..... he needs to be locked away forever. :behindbar :behindbar
murdershewrote
07-02-2008, 08:16 PM
I just keep having these terrible thoughts that maybe he took her to the sugar house where these "other men" might have been waiting...and that's where she was killed. There might have been other guys there waiting upstairs in his house as well...but as I recall there wasn't any indication from LE that they found evidence of murder in his house, just evidence as to where she was. I just can't help thinking that something really really scared her, for her to end up dead. I'm not trying to downplay that just having your uncle rape you isn't bad enough...but I still feel there is more to come out. If she was being indoctrinating into this sex ring...then I think there may have been others there and she wouldn't have had a chance to fight off a few guys...
IdahoMom
07-02-2008, 08:17 PM
What a sick, sick world we live in. :(
4eyedbuzzard
07-02-2008, 08:24 PM
All through this missing person case, police were focusing on this being a myspace person contact to contact. I am thinking... could the person Brooke was talking to could have been her uncle in disguise??? .... to lure her into the "sex ring" ..... he needs to be locked away forever. :behindbar :behindbar
Very possibly. The myspace comms could have beena fabricated diversion, as was dropping her off at the store only to pick her up later, the clothing found where it was(by Jacques), etc.
We need a real life Dexter to take care of all these scum.
Juvenile
07-02-2008, 08:26 PM
The LE did a great job in securing and documenting the evidence needed to put these sick SOB's away for good so they will never take away others' freedom again. It appears this case may bring other potential predators down too.
Brooke must have stayed strong and fought back against these child molesters, and her parents should be proud that she didn't back down. May she rest in peace and Jim and Janet recover emotionally one day. God bless.
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 08:29 PM
The LE did a great job in securing and documenting the evidence needed to put these sick SOB's away for good so they will never take away others' freedom again. It appears this case may bring other potential predators down too.
Brooke must have stayed strong and fought back against these child molesters, and her parents should be proud that she didn't back down. May she rest in peace and Jim and Janet recover emotionally one day. God bless.
And didn't I hear that this Vermont's first ever Amber Alert? Vermont DID DO an excellent job. Thankfully.
pixies
07-02-2008, 08:29 PM
I respectfully disagree. I've got a couple hundred rounds of appropriate rehab in my trunk as we speak, in 3 different calibers.
I love you Adnoid.
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 08:31 PM
How do you know that he ratted out Jacques? It sounds like investigators pieced it together using information gathered from the computer and from cell phone records.
The affidavit includes info from Gagnon.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:32 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Brooke ever got back in the vehicle with that man and her cousin? You could see in the video she was upset and I still say angry. She was almost free. Bless her heart. Why didn't she just go to a phone and call her Dad or Janet? They would have dropped everything to come and get her. :(
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 08:34 PM
All through this missing person case, police were focusing on this being a myspace person contact to contact. I am thinking... could the person Brooke was talking to could have been her uncle in disguise??? .... to lure her into the "sex ring" ..... he needs to be locked away forever. :behindbar :behindbar
That appears to be the case.
pixies
07-02-2008, 08:36 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Brooke ever got back in the vehicle with that man and her cousin? You could see in the video she was upset and I still say angry. She was almost free. Bless her heart. Why didn't she just go to a phone and call her Dad or Janet? They would have dropped everything to come and get her. :(
Because she was a 12 year old little girl being raised by a foolish, dare I say idiot mother and a couple of pedophiles.
She was never taught it was OK to not be a victim.
Ugh, I just want to cry.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
And didn't I hear that this Vermont's first ever Amber Alert? Vermont DID DO an excellent job. Thankfully.THAT needs to change!! Unless there has not been a child missing where there was clear danger until now, I feel they are using the guidelines too strictly. This is not the way the Amber Alert was meant to be used. They are only guidelines and it must be decided on a case by case basis.
That being said, yes...LE did an excellent job in this case.
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
I just keep having these terrible thoughts that maybe he took her to the sugar house where these "other men" might have been waiting...and that's where she was killed. There might have been other guys there waiting upstairs in his house as well...but as I recall there wasn't any indication from LE that they found evidence of murder in his house, just evidence as to where she was. I just can't help thinking that something really really scared her, for her to end up dead. I'm not trying to downplay that just having your uncle rape you isn't bad enough...but I still feel there is more to come out. If she was being indoctrinating into this sex ring...then I think there may have been others there and she wouldn't have had a chance to fight off a few guys...
I don't think there were "a few guys". I think the "ring" was Jacques, Gagnon and one other person, possibly "Tim" who Cassandra had been shacked up with. Or some other relative. I think she just fought back and he killed her out of rage and frustration.
The "all in the family" component is significant, IMHO. One reason the guys stuck together was to "protect" Denise and Cassandra. The third guy may be another brother-in-law, brother, ex-boyfriend, something like that. Somebody who wouldn't want his spouse to suffer if he got arrested.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 08:38 PM
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Brooke ever got back in the vehicle with that man and her cousin? You could see in the video she was upset and I still say angry. She was almost free. Bless her heart. Why didn't she just go to a phone and call her Dad or Janet? They would have dropped everything to come and get her. :(
One of the affidavits said AR told her they were taking her to a party and that's why she went with her.
dark_shadows
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
And didn't I hear that this Vermont's first ever Amber Alert? Vermont DID DO an excellent job. Thankfully.
My very dearest Angelwngs,:blowkiss:
I just went to the store by my house and bought a few things, two of the things being lottery tickets.
I posted on Brooke's thread last weekend about bying lottery tickets here with the Amber Alert on it.
The ones I just purchased no longer have the Amber Alert for Brooke.
There was nothing there that stated any new Amber Alert.
The tickets are updated in real time.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Brooke ever got back in the vehicle with that man and her cousin? You could see in the video she was upset and I still say angry. She was almost free. Bless her heart. Why didn't she just go to a phone and call her Dad or Janet? They would have dropped everything to come and get her. :(
AR told LE that the uncle had told Brooke they were going to 'party.' I think she was waiting around town for AR and the uncle to return.
I think I agree with you, in that something most likely happened the night before. At least, to my inexperienced eyes, Brooke looked a bit distressed at the convenience store, arms crossed protectively in front of her body. She was way too quick to take off the opposite direction once outside the door as well.
That's the part that has me stumped. Why did the uncle take her into the store and have them each walk out separate ways, not even turning to say good-bye? For the benefit of the camera? For an alibi?
Premeditation of what was to come?
Heck, even AR said he threw out his coffee.
JMHO
fran
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:43 PM
The affidavit includes info from Gagnon.Yes, Ray Gagnon is singing like a caged animal and willing to give up MJ...IMO because he did not actually kill her. I had a strong feeling when I read that last affidavit that it would be the case. Ray didn't want a Murder One charge. He is willing to take the child porn and other host of charges...but not that one.
Someone(can't find it right now) earlier had posted a video of the uncle in court..remember his eyes were wild and creepy?? I bet then he was already going for an "Insanity defense'
R.I.P Brooke
MCDRAW
07-02-2008, 08:49 PM
AR told LE that the uncle had told Brooke they were going to 'party.' I think she was waiting around town for AR and the uncle to return.
I think I agree with you, in that something most likely happened the night before. At least, to my inexperienced eyes, Brooke looked a bit distressed at the convenience store, arms crossed protectively in front of her body. She was way too quick to take off the opposite direction once outside the door as well.
That's the part that has me stumped. Why did the uncle take her into the store and have them each walk out separate ways, not even turning to say good-bye? For the benefit of the camera? For an alibi?
Premeditation of what was to come?
Heck, even AR said he threw out his coffee.
JMHO
fran
I don't know if he planned to kill her but he certainly planned to rape her. These people thought they could cover their tracks...they always think they are so smart. I hope someone can get to them, so they can know the fear that Brooke felt. I am praying for Brooke's family.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:50 PM
An Insanity defense won't fly here. Premeditated murder with careful preparation, plotting, and years of sexual assaults will be enough to prevent it from being used. His prior conviction of sexual assault and kidnapping will come into play, too. That alone proves he wasn't insane then either.
MCDRAW
07-02-2008, 08:51 PM
AR told LE that the uncle had told Brooke they were going to 'party.' I think she was waiting around town for AR and the uncle to return.
I think I agree with you, in that something most likely happened the night before. At least, to my inexperienced eyes, Brooke looked a bit distressed at the convenience store, arms crossed protectively in front of her body. She was way too quick to take off the opposite direction once outside the door as well.
That's the part that has me stumped. Why did the uncle take her into the store and have them each walk out separate ways, not even turning to say good-bye? For the benefit of the camera? For an alibi?
Premeditation of what was to come?
Heck, even AR said he threw out his coffee.
JMHO
fran
He certainly created an elaborate scheme which does point to premeditation.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:52 PM
I don't know if he planned to kill her but he certainly planned to rape her. These people thought they could cover their tracks...they always think they are so smart. I hope someone can get to them, so they can know the fear that Brooke felt. I am praying for Brooke's family.I don't have any doubt that he planned to kill her. He was setting it up so that people would think she was "vanished" by an internet predator. This shows intent of murder, imo. He knew when he dropped her off that she was not coming back.
An Insanity defense won't fly here. Premeditated murder with careful preparation, plotting, and years of sexual assaults will be enough to prevent it from being used. His prior conviction of sexual assault and kidnapping will come into play, too. That alone proves he wasn't insane then either.
I agree! but I think he was trying to look crazy lol idiot
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 08:55 PM
He didn't have to try to look crazy. The man is an evil and wicked wacko. Still, he knew exactly what he was doing each and every second. He just didn't care.
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 08:55 PM
My very dearest Angelwngs,:blowkiss:
I just went to the store by my house and bought a few things, two of the things being lottery tickets.
I posted on Brooke's thread last weekend about bying lottery tickets here with the Amber Alert on it.
The ones I just purchased no longer have the Amber Alert for Brooke.
There was nothing there that stated any new Amber Alert.
The tickets are updated in real time.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
Ohhhh, Dear DS... if only it had been removed from the lottery tickets because they had found her alive and able to begin recovery from this horrific trauma.
So very, very sad.
Juvenile
07-02-2008, 08:56 PM
THAT needs to change!! Unless there has not been a child missing where there was clear danger until now, I feel they are using the guidelines too strictly. This is not the way the Amber Alert was meant to be used. They are only guidelines and it must be decided on a case by case basis.
That being said, yes...LE did an excellent job in this case.
SS, first let me say that I agree and identify with your posts more than anyone else on this forum and thank you for your focus and thoughtful posts. I'm not aware of how many abductions have happened in Vermont and therefore have not investigated where the Amber Alert should have been used. There has to be a balance and discretion when it is used. Down here in Texas where the Amber Alert was first initiated, it seems to be used way too often. And maybe the alerts are justified, but the are starting to be on the level of car alarms where nobody pays attention anymore. That said, I always pay attention and am a supporter of the Amber Alert.
And for the record to all, my forum name is a play on words of my given name and has been my nickname since I could understand words, although maybe not the best choice for this forum
;)
philamena
07-02-2008, 08:57 PM
Any pics of the posstepdad released yet?
HesterMofet
07-02-2008, 09:01 PM
I have been following this case since the beginning and while I have not posted my opinion I wanted to thank everyone here for being such a great resource for information and support.
When Brooke was reported missing, I really had hope she was alive. I rarely have that with missing children, but I was hopeful she had gone off to meet someone or run away to be with friends who were hiding her. Even when the abuse of her cousin surfaced, I thought maybe she ran to get away from it.
But it was not to be. As I write this, I am crying for Brooke and her cousin. I cannot imagine the terrors they suffered and what the cousin will continue to suffer. I am sure I am not the only one here who thinks that AR is a very brave young woman for coming forward. She must've been terrified that the men from "Breckenridge" would come and take her away, too. I hope she gets the help she needs to get through this and be able to go on with her life. She is a heroine for overcoming her own fear and telling the truth.
Again, thank you all for all the information. Now Brooke can come home.
May justice prevail and anyone involved in this never see the light of day again.
galvino
07-02-2008, 09:01 PM
I'm not so sure that he planned to murder her- I think he probably planned to keep her as a sex slave in the sugar shack or somewhere else for a while and that the time he would hold her he could scare her enough about "Breckenridge" that when he allowed her to go home (maybe in time to go to school) he would be assured that she wouldn't tell (like A. R.). I think she fought and he killed her then. He got Gagnon to help cover up because he was involved in the pedo-ring.
JMO, of course
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:03 PM
Thanks, Juvenile. Very nice of you to say.
I know that sometimes it seems the Amber Alert can be overused, but I do not think it can. If one person pays attention to it and brings a child home alive then it served the purpose. I know it has been used here in OK many times and I applaud them for it. I don't know what our record is...but I do know it is an effective tool for LE in the recovery of missing children. I hope that Vermont and other states will rethink their procedures when it comes time to alert the public and take advantage of the Amber Alert system if a child is suspected of being abducted with or without vehicle descriptions etc. It truly is a lifesaver.
Glad to know about your screenname! :) It is fine. (You may want to add something in your signature that you are actually older tho. lol)
angelmom
07-02-2008, 09:03 PM
pulled from http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=0a3258a67f62d69b67cdf7f208afd3 96&topic=2980.200
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p149/Morgan2112_2006/crockerroad3.jpg
Amster
07-02-2008, 09:05 PM
He knew she was not coming back....set up to look like an internet perv got her. But, why? Did he try something with her that night? Was he afraid she would tell on him? If so, why let her wander around town? And, why was she wandering around town? We know there was never any internet "friend" she was sneaking off to meet.
He definitely planned to kill her....:furious:
galvino
07-02-2008, 09:05 PM
Does anyone else here find the androgynous/over dramatic announcer voice on Nancy Grace as annoying as I do? And what's up with Gagnon and Jacques being french names but proncounced wierd?! POS! Merde'
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:06 PM
Any pics of the posstepdad released yet?I haven't had the heart to look yet, Philamena. I don't think I want to see him today. :furious:
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 09:06 PM
They said they noticed disturbed ground on July 1st then today dug it up. At around 4:30 PM or so they dicovered her. The location was found as a result of information found in the uncle's house.
This sounds as if they were dotting their "i's" and crossing their "t's" to conduct the investigation and search to the letter and by the book...
Good for them! I hope they can legally NAIL each and every human responsible for Brookie's tragedy to the WALLS of H%##...
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:07 PM
I haven't had the heart to look yet, Philamena. I don't think I want to see him today. :furious:
I understand but I was to see what this lowlife looks like. :furious:
Amster
07-02-2008, 09:09 PM
I understand but I was to see what this lowlife looks like. :furious:
I've only seen a sketch of him....
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:09 PM
I've only seen a sketch of him....
Amster,
Thanks for the response. :)
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:12 PM
Investigation Timeline -Good info.Covers each days investigation.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80702030/1007/NEWS02
http://cmsimg.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:13 PM
He looks like a POS dried on the sole of a nasty shoe laying in the bottom of a scum bucket dropped into the depths of hell to me right now. I would hate to get the image in my head that he is actually human.
close_enough
07-02-2008, 09:15 PM
The remains of brooke were found
i guess i'm not real surprised, but gosh:(
angelmom
07-02-2008, 09:16 PM
Have they ever confirmed the sighting at the laundromat at 9:45?
Who saw her? Did that really happen or was it fabricated by the cousin/uncle/someone else?
If an uninvolved witness really did see her, what do you think that was all about? How many 12yos hang out at a laundromat?
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:17 PM
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208b_royalton.html
STATE OF VERMONT
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
VERMONT STATE POLICE
PRESS CONFERENCE
UPDATE ON MISSING BROOKE BENNETT
Date of Press Conference: July 2, 2008
Statement of Colonel James Baker, Director of the Vermont State Police:
It is with a heavy heart and deep sadness that I announce that we have located what we believe to be the remains of Brooke Bennett on Crocker Road in Randolph, Vermont. (more at link)
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:18 PM
Have they ever confirmed the sighting at the laundromat at 9:45?
Who saw her? Did that really happen or was it fabricated by the cousin/uncle/someone else?
If an uninvolved witness really did see her, what do you think that was all about? How many 12yos hang out at a laundromat?
I was wondering if it was AR's BF.
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:18 PM
http://www.enews20.com/content/news/news_8884.jpgRest in peace dear Brooke.
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:19 PM
He looks like a POS dried on the sole of a nasty shoe laying in the bottom of a scum bucket dropped into the depths of hell to me right now. I would hate to get the image in my head that he is actually human.
:blowkiss:Thanks SS. That pretty much satisfied my curiosity.
Ladybass0711
07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
I really believe that there is alot more involved then what is being let out. I hinted at it last nite, and it was immidiatly thrown out, I think it should be looked at as a very possible option..
Espacially with mom, and sister already married to sex offenders, they were brought up in this, Not making excuses, but saying that this is typical of what I said last nite!
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
I wonder if AR's boyfriend is the one same one that's in the pictures?? If so he is guilty of statutory rape of AR. She is only 14 and he is at least 16 because he can drive. It seems as if AR was repeatedly victimized by all the males in her life.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:20 PM
I would have to say it was from an outside source that saw her. One young man was on camera the other day saying he saw her walking alone presumably after she left the store. The cousin stated she helped the uncle drop her off and get her back to his house so other people most likely did see her.
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:21 PM
http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/press/press_070208b_royalton.html
(snip)
A press conference will be scheduled for tomorrow at 10:00 AM at the US Attorney’s Office in Burlington. The media should arrive at 9:30 AM.
Carrington
07-02-2008, 09:21 PM
I'm a couple of pages behind, but I wanted to add this.
We do not know when Brooke was murdered, for all we know she could have been a prisoner at the sugarhouse for days.
We also don't know when Gagnon appeared on the scene. Jacques knew he was being observed closely by LE, he might have had Gaagnon do the dirty work. Maybe just the burial part, but, I'm betting he is up to his eyeballs in this murder.
Ignorance is no excuse, Denise and Cassandra. Grandma what do you have to say now? Wasn't there also a Great Uncle that had something to say when this all stated?
This really really upsets me....
Carrington
07-02-2008, 09:25 PM
I wonder if AR's boyfriend is the one same one that's in the pictures?? If so he is guilty of statutory rape of AR. She is only 14 and he is at least 16 because he can drive. It seems as if AR was repeatedly victimized by all the males in her life.
I'm wondering how much he knew about the Jacques sickening lifestyle.
It seems to me a girl would confide something to her boyfriend. :waitasec:
IMO
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:26 PM
I wonder if AR's boyfriend is the one same one that's in the pictures?? If so he is guilty of statutory rape of AR. She is only 14 and he is at least 16 because he can drive. It seems as if AR was repeatedly victimized by all the males in her life.Good point! I hope they go after him, too! (I would have to assume he is the one in the photos.) LE needs to take every single one of them down for this including Cassandra, Denise, and even Grandma.
:furious::furious::furious:
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:26 PM
Video of todays presser:
http://www.wptz.com/news/16773664/detail.html#
Trino
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
I'm wondering how much he knew about the Jacques sickening lifestyle.
It seems to me a girl would confide something to her boyfriend. :waitasec:
IMO
Gosh do I ever live a protected life.
I cannot understand the women marrying these low lifes nor can I understand them not knowing what was going on practically in front of them. What relationships did the mothers have with their daughters that an initiation into a sex ring could happen?
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8610899&nav=4QcRCsS5
The story that Brooke may have been meeting someone she met on the online networking site MySpace-- police say Jacques made that up. He showed police a posting made sometime after midnight June 25-- the day she disappeared.
In part, it reads, "I do want to see you in the morning, so please meet me.... u know where. I think i have a good plan to sneak around this. My Mom will kill me but then I'm going 2 Texas and she will get over it. Sorry I was such a baby last time. Promise u not this time!! U can bring ur friend but u have 2 admit that's pretty weird."
http://wcax.images.worldnow.com/images/8580434_BG4.jpg
dark_shadows
07-02-2008, 09:29 PM
Wasn't there also a Great Uncle that had something to say when this all stated?
This really really upsets me....
Dearest Carrington,:)
Yes, here is the article;
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8580434&nav=4QcRaFh8
From the link;
Family members of Brooke Bennett were on hand for the arraignment. However, they said little about either case.
"Brooke's mom is my niece, and that is my niece I was sitting with up there. They are sisters. This is not doing a good thing for my family. That is about all I have to say," said Brooke's great-uncle, Storm Woodard.
Jacques' wife Denise left the court without comment.
REspectfully,
dark_shadows
dottierainbow
07-02-2008, 09:30 PM
It annoys me when the announcer is overly dramatic,.I believe Nancy can be overly dramatic too. I love her show... but hate the dramatic voice. Hi friend!
I was hoping Brooke would be found but alive.
Does anyone else here find the androgynous/over dramatic announcer voice on Nancy Grace as annoying as I do? And what's up with Gagnon and Jacques being french names but proncounced wierd?! POS! Merde'
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:33 PM
Cassandra is 11 years older than Ray. I know what she must have been getting out of it. Denise had the land, the house, the money, and whatever else to consider before putting her children first. Grandma seems to have enjoyed the company of MJ very much as she "loves him".
The children of the two families appear to be quite literally pimped out by their own mothers to satisfy their husbands and keep them around while they looked the other way.
galvino
07-02-2008, 09:35 PM
Dottie- I went to college with Nancy Grace, and she was that way at Mercer! But I agree with you FRIEND, the overly dramatic makes me nuts! I just cant stand that one particular announcer esp- I can't tell if it is a femininish male voice or a 'manly' female made to sound worse b/c of the over dramatics. Oh- I know- It's PAT!
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:40 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701028
(snips)
Federal prosecutors said in a news release this evening that Jacques is charged with kidnapping Brooke. Court papers, including a sworn police account of events, will be made public in the morning.
If authorities can prove Jacques killed his niece, he would be eligible for the federal death penalty, said Michael Mello, a professor at Vermont Law School in South Royalton.
That entry was posted at 11:40 p.m. June 24 -- nearly 10 hours before Brooke was seen at the convenience store. The post was edited from the same computer 15 minutes later and again at 10:36 p.m. June 25, about 90 minutes after her family reporter her missing.
“Law enforcement believes that this posting was made to make it appear that Bennett was abducted by someone she met on the internet or communicated with on the internet,” Rachek wrote.
During this 10:36 p.m. log-in, the time of the original posting was manually changed to 7:46 a.m. June 25, Rachek wrote. That updated time was before Brooke disappeared.
The MySpace page was again accessed at 11:18 p.m. and 11:25 p.m. June 25 from a computer at the San Antonio home Gagnon, 40, rents. Gagnon later told police Jacques provided him with the user name and password June 25, and Gagnon logged in and changed the user name and password.
Carrington
07-02-2008, 09:41 PM
Dearest Carrington,:)
Yes, here is the article;
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8580434&nav=4QcRaFh8
From the link;
Family members of Brooke Bennett were on hand for the arraignment. However, they said little about either case.
"Brooke's mom is my niece, and that is my niece I was sitting with up there. They are sisters. This is not doing a good thing for my family. That is about all I have to say," said Brooke's great-uncle, Storm Woodard.
Jacques' wife Denise left the court without comment.
REspectfully,
dark_shadows
Thanks dark_shadows
I'm eyeballing him also! Not accussing, just looking in his direction.
PoppyMcTwist
07-02-2008, 09:43 PM
Does anyone know if Jacques has lived in other states? Mark Klass suggested that LE take another look at any unsolved missing child cases in the Vermont area, but I'd like to know if the POS traveled much or ever resided in another state. Also, what were the 3 years he was incarcerated -- 1992'-1995' ?
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
Does anyone else here find the androgynous/over dramatic announcer voice on Nancy Grace as annoying as I do? And what's up with Gagnon and Jacques being french names but proncounced wierd?! POS! Merde'
There are sort of "traditional mispronunciations" of French-Canadian names. There is a writer by the name of Brian Jacques whose name is always pronounced "Jakes".
But I have another thing to throw out, particularly to the New Englanders: as I recall, there used to be a certain amount of suspicion about French-Canadians, aka "Canucks", that pegs them as trailer trash, incestuous, sneaky, lusty criminals. Is that attitude still floating around?
Edited by Adnoid: To clarify, the poster was describing a prejudice that she believes existed at one time, NOT how she herself feels about Canadians today (or ever), eh?
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 09:46 PM
These pedo perps cannot be rehabilitated. That is a joke, America needs to wake up to that. That family gave those girls to the pedos for their own financial security. They are as dumb as dirt, they knew what was going on but chose to have a blind eye! The facts speak for themselves. Shame on them! :furious: Shame, shame! :furious:
Leila
07-02-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't have any doubt that he planned to kill her. He was setting it up so that people would think she was "vanished" by an internet predator. This shows intent of murder, imo. He knew when he dropped her off that she was not coming back.
Another possible theory...................Jacques contacted Gagnon in Texas, who changed Brooke's MySpace page to indicate she was leaving to meet someone and going to Texas.
Gagnon went to Vermont, but I don't think he was there prior to Brooke's disappearance, or involved in her murder.
The original plan may have been for Jacques and possible others to rape Brooke, and Gagnon was to meet with them, and take Brooke to Texas, fulfilling what was stated on her MySpace page. Brooke may have then been taken over the border into Mexico and into a prostitution ring.
Gagnon is said to have had a large collection of porn, including some from Russia and other countries, so he may have contacts with foreign prostitution rings.
Jacques may have flown into a rage because Brooke resisted and fought and he killed her changing the original plan.
Does anyone know if Jacques has lived in other states? Mark Klass suggested that LE take another look at any unsolved missing child cases in the Vermont area, but I'd like to know if the POS traveled much or ever resided in another state. Also, what were the 3 years he was incarcerated -- 1992'-1995' ?
Brianna Maitland - 17 - missing since 3/19/04
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6287
i know a lot of people here know about her case :(
evelyn24
07-02-2008, 09:47 PM
This is so damn sad.
And to think they weren't even going to report her missing. The scumbags..all of 'em (excluding the bio dad).
Especially, those sisters...Cassandra and Denise.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:47 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701028
(snips)
Federal prosecutors said in a news release this evening that Jacques is charged with kidnapping Brooke. Court papers, including a sworn police account of events, will be made public in the morning.
If authorities can prove Jacques killed his niece, he would be eligible for the federal death penalty, said Michael Mello, a professor at Vermont Law School in South Royalton.
Thank GOD! Prison is far too good for him when he paid for a ticket straight to Hell! :devil:
michelle
07-02-2008, 09:48 PM
Thank GOD! Prison is far too good for him when he paid for a ticket straight to Hell! :devil:I agree!
galvino
07-02-2008, 09:48 PM
Thanks for that info Luthersmama! so they are possibly of French-Canadian descent- makes sense because of the locale- Eh?
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:50 PM
200 Gather to Mourn Brooke
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS/711028943
The gathering tonight was originally organized as a vigil for Brooke’s safe return.
Gary Finch, Brooke’s homeroom and math teacher at Randolph Union High School, said Brooke was a very energetic and enthusiastic learner. He said she was always volunteering in class.
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 09:53 PM
Brianna Maitland - 17 - missing since 3/19/04
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6287
i know a lot of people here know about her case :(
It looks like Jacques was into really young girls lately. Brianna would have been too old. I think that "Breckinridge" is derived from the novel and movie "Myra Breckinridge" about a person who has a sex-change operation. Jacques and Gagnon perhaps would have preferred to have sex with boys, but couldn't quite cope with that so they selected pre-pubescent girls. The cousin hit puberty and Jacques had to look for a replacement. The woman that Jacques had raped years ago was 18, but my hunch is that his current appetite, that he shared with Gagnon, was for younger girls.
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Thanks for that info Luthersmama! so they are possibly of French-Canadian descent- makes sense because of the locale- Eh?
Oui. Beaucoups Canucks en Vermont.
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Brianna Maitland - 17 - missing since 3/19/04
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6287
i know a lot of people here know about her case :(
I remember her. Her car was found smashed into an abandoned barn or something. I remember there was talk of a possible connection to some NH cases. But I don't remember details.
Carrington
07-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Wonder how Storm Woodard feels tonight.
"I had my thoughts, before this"
http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=cec1567b-b9e7-4f3d-b340-426018696500
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:55 PM
Thanks for posting that, Philamena. It is so nice to see Jim and Janet have that kind of support from the community. Brooke's teachers and school friends must be hit very hard as well with this news. I am glad they didn't cancel the gathering as it is neccessary for them to be there for one another.
Juvenile
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
Thanks, Juvenile. Very nice of you to say.
I know that sometimes it seems the Amber Alert can be overused, but I do not think it can. If one person pays attention to it and brings a child home alive then it served the purpose. I know it has been used here in OK many times and I applaud them for it. I don't know what our record is...but I do know it is an effective tool for LE in the recovery of missing children. I hope that Vermont and other states will rethink their procedures when it comes time to alert the public and take advantage of the Amber Alert system if a child is suspected of being abducted with or without vehicle descriptions etc. It truly is a lifesaver.
Glad to know about your screenname! :) It is fine. (You may want to add something in your signature that you are actually older tho. lol)
Noted and agree on both points. Unfotunately, only good parenting could have saved Brooke and this very sad thread. I have to believe that she served a purpose in this world in bringing awareness to child abuse and getting these scumbags out of the public where we all know that they would've continued to harm others.
philamena
07-02-2008, 09:56 PM
I will NEVER understand how some people in Brooke's life allowed her to be friends with a registered sex offende/ uncle!! :furious: :banghead:
Her mother and aunt need to be investigated. :furious:
Her mother should be jailed for stupidity.:behindbar
I remember her. Her car was found smashed into an abandoned barn or something. I remember there was talk of a possible connection to some NH cases. But I don't remember details.
Maura Murray
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maura_Murray
englishleigh
07-02-2008, 09:58 PM
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701028
(snips)
If authorities can prove Jacques killed his niece, he would be eligible for the federal death penalty, said Michael Mello, a professor at Vermont Law School in South Royalton.
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
michelle
07-02-2008, 09:58 PM
I will NEVER understand how the people in Brooke's life allowed her to be friends with a registered sex offender uncle!! :furious: :banghead:
Her mother and aunt need to be investigated. :furious:
Her mother should be jailed for stupidity.:behindbar:clap:
It looks like Jacques was into really young girls lately. Brianna would have been too old. I think that "Breckinridge" is derived from the novel and movie "Myra Breckinridge" about a person who has a sex-change operation. Jacques and Gagnon perhaps would have preferred to have sex with boys, but couldn't quite cope with that so they selected pre-pubescent girls. The cousin hit puberty and Jacques had to look for a replacement. The woman that Jacques had raped years ago was 18, but my hunch is that his current appetite, that he shared with Gagnon, was for younger girls.
I am kinda in the middle..after reading yesterday about the 18 year old..I think HE just likes to rape girls but thought it would be best to"keep it in the family" so not to get caught...just not sure.. I have been looking at these cases for a couple of days now...:confused:
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:05 PM
It looks like Jacques was into really young girls lately. Brianna would have been too old. I think that "Breckinridge" is derived from the novel and movie "Myra Breckinridge" about a person who has a sex-change operation. Jacques and Gagnon perhaps would have preferred to have sex with boys, but couldn't quite cope with that so they selected pre-pubescent girls. The cousin hit puberty and Jacques had to look for a replacement. The woman that Jacques had raped years ago was 18, but my hunch is that his current appetite, that he shared with Gagnon, was for younger girls.While I do think Jacques and Gagnon's preferences are younger pre-pubescent girls as you said, they did not choose to have sex with young males nor did they show a proclivity towards boys at all. I see absolutely no connection to the novel or movie. They were decidedly into the girls, imo. They coped just fine arranging sex with the young girls by using a sick farce to get them to perform and to fear the entire US government. Breckenridge is probably a reference to one of the actual towns or cities by that name. It was made up only to sound "official".
Amster
07-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Wonder how Storm Woodard feels tonight.
"I had my thoughts, before this"
http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=cec1567b-b9e7-4f3d-b340-426018696500
I despise these people....:mad:
What is even sicker....Mark Klass pointed out that while MJ was going through his "treatment" he was molesting A.R. Therapy is worthless for these pervs.
galvino
07-02-2008, 10:11 PM
No kidding,Carrington- I hope he feels like the proverbial turd in the punchbowl if he had his suspicions before this and didn't say anything so as not to make a 'stink'. If he suspected something because "it takes one to know one", or had been told by Denise about things that had occurred in her home and did nothing, then I would like to sink that floating pos with that ammo adnoid mentioned earlier.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:12 PM
While I do think Jacques and Gagnon's preferences are younger pre-pubescent girls as you said, they did not choose to have sex with young males nor did they show a proclivity towards boys at all. I see absolutely no connection to the novel or movie. They were decidedly into the girls, imo. They coped just fine arranging sex with the young girls by using a sick farce to get them to perform and to fear the entire US government. Breckenridge is probably a reference to one of the actual towns or cities by that name. It was made up only to sound "official".
I agree although I do see similarities between "Breckenridge" and "The Company" used in the kidnapping of Colleen Stan.
dark_shadows
07-02-2008, 10:12 PM
While I do think Jacques and Gagnon's preferences are younger pre-pubescent girls as you said, they did not choose to have sex with young males nor did they show a proclivity towards boys at all. I see absolutely no connection to the novel or movie. They were decidedly into the girls, imo. They coped just fine arranging sex with the young girls by using a sick farce to get them to perform and to fear the entire US government. Breckenridge is probably a reference to one of the actual towns or cities by that name. It was made up only to sound "official".
Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
I agree totally. Great post.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
angelmom
07-02-2008, 10:13 PM
While I do think Jacques and Gagnon's preferences are younger pre-pubescent girls as you said, they did not choose to have sex with young males nor did they show a proclivity towards boys at all. I see absolutely no connection to the novel or movie. They were decidedly into the girls, imo. They coped just fine arranging sex with the young girls by using a sick farce to get them to perform and to fear the entire US government. Breckenridge is probably a reference to one of the actual towns or cities by that name. It was made up only to sound "official".
I agree. And I'm not even sure they were into "pre-pubescent" so much as "controllable." The girl MJ raped was 18 and landed him in prison. His other victim is 14 and he was still abusing her. And if you look at the video of Brooke, she is almost 13 and already getting a womanly figure.
I think they are just into rape and a younger girl is easier to control, plus that's who they had access to.
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
My heart is broken. If only this monster had been reported by the other victim. From this day forward we need to impress/force whatever it takes, the schools, churches, kids clubs, whomever to lecture kids to report these monsters immediately. Apparently whatever is being done now isn't getting through to the kids.
God Bless you, Brooke. My promise to you is to educate victims to report immediately.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
I am kinda in the middle..after reading yesterday about the 18 year old..I think HE just likes to rape girls but thought it would be best to"keep it in the family" so not to get caught...just not sure.. I have been looking at these cases for a couple of days now...:confused:Rape and torture is all about control. MJ and Ray had complete control of the girls in the family. After MJ's stint in jail for that rape/kidnapping, he made it so that the intimidation was such that he wasn't too worried about getting caught. They were sending this stuff over the internet...passing it around and probably selling it, too.
Frankly, Brooke's murder could have been a fantasy event for both of them and I would not be shocked to learn he either video taped it or it went out live over the internet. I still believe that AR was distributed and also went out live over the internet which was the reason she mentioned taking "directions for sex" from other men by phone and internet.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
I will NEVER understand how some people in Brooke's life allowed her to be friends with a registered sex offende/ uncle!! :furious: :banghead:
Her mother and aunt need to be investigated. :furious:
Her mother should be jailed for stupidity.:behindbar
I agree, and I think there is a special place reserved for all of them :devil:
calidreamin
07-02-2008, 10:15 PM
This is so sad! I have been at a birthday party with my kids since this afternoon and stopped at a Dunkin Donuts on the way home. Nancy Grace was on the tv there saying that Brooke had been found dead. Everyone in the shop was so upset. I could barely drive home I felt so sick.:mad::behindbar
PoppyMcTwist
07-02-2008, 10:17 PM
I agree. And I'm not even sure they were into "pre-pubescent" so much as "controllable." The girl MJ raped was 18 and landed him in prison. His other victim is 14 and he was still abusing her. And if you look at the video of Brooke, she is almost 13 and already getting a womanly figure.
I think they are just into rape and a younger girl is easier to control, plus that's who they had access to.
It was said on NG that he began raping one of his victims when she was 9 years old. I can't even think of a strong enough cuss word to describe this POS.
galvino
07-02-2008, 10:18 PM
Spazz- I agree, and wonder if he ever heard about that, or the Leonard Lake/Charles Eng case. He is obviously disturbed and enamored with inflicting terror/mind control to hop him up sexually, so I wonder if they will find books or internet searches about other cases- heck even the case of Fritzl recently. (although he doesn't look terribly well read or edumacated now, does he?
SS- I agree w/you that Breckenridge was a name he made up because to a 9/12 yr old it sounds "big". Shoot, he probably went to Breckenridge Colorado once and couldn't pay for a lift ticket!
evelyn24
07-02-2008, 10:19 PM
I agree. And I'm not even sure they were into "pre-pubescent" so much as "controllable." The girl MJ raped was 18 and landed him in prison. His other victim is 14 and he was still abusing her. And if you look at the video of Brooke, she is almost 13 and already getting a womanly figure.
I think they are just into rape and a younger girl is easier to control, plus that's who they had access to.
Oh I'm sure they were into pre-pubescent...hence all the child porn. And he STARTED with AR when she was nine. What more proof do you need?
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 10:21 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I want this guy hung in the town square IMMEDIATELY.:furious::furious::furious::furious::f urious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
galvino
07-02-2008, 10:22 PM
He looks as creepy as CHester Arthur Stiles & Couey. Wonder if he ever went to Nevada and dumped child porn in the desert?
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:23 PM
good one:clap:
He looks as creepy as CHester Arthur Stiles & Couey. Wonder if he ever went to Nevada and dumped child porn in the desert?
KR2tonenow
07-02-2008, 10:25 PM
adding this to the sad NEWS :(
Missing Vermont girl found dead
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 10:26 PM
It looks like Jacques was into really young girls lately. Brianna would have been too old. I think that "Breckinridge" is derived from the novel and movie "Myra Breckinridge" about a person who has a sex-change operation. Jacques and Gagnon perhaps would have preferred to have sex with boys, but couldn't quite cope with that so they selected pre-pubescent girls. The cousin hit puberty and Jacques had to look for a replacement. The woman that Jacques had raped years ago was 18, but my hunch is that his current appetite, that he shared with Gagnon, was for younger girls.
I mentioned in a very early post here about the "Cult Classic" movie from the 1970's, "Myra Breckinridge". I thought it sounded connected as soon as I read that Breckinridge was the name given to the 'sex ring'.
Two things caused me to think that the movie "Myra Breckinridge" could very well have been seen as an enjoyable "cult classic' movie to the likes of MJ and his followers. First, the movie was originally given an "X" Rating which was later reduced to an "R" rating making it available for young overnight guests, to watch on late night tv. Second, I noticed that many online reviews mentioned both rape and sodomy scenes in the movie. Using this movie, would be an opportunity for MJ to initiate and ease young girls into his perverted world with Mae West and Raquel Welch on screen to assist him in the process...
Who knows what goes on in the SICK PERVERTED pee brained mind of a sexual predator... Breckinridge... now is only symbolic of a precious young life which was ended far, far to soon by an evil monster of a man.
concernedperson
07-02-2008, 10:27 PM
Wonder how Storm Woodard feels tonight.
"I had my thoughts, before this"
http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=cec1567b-b9e7-4f3d-b340-426018696500
You know this just isn't right. If he had thoughts why didn't he do the right thing? Instead he defended his nieces in the courtroom interview when he was just as guilty for not acting on his "thoughts". In order for one to have thoughts there is suspicion. Suspicion is because of actions noted.
There can no be putting this under the rug now. Victims left and right. So, the next question is ....what are they going to do about protecting the rest of the children in the families?
Or maybe it shouldn't be left to them to decide. Maybe full evaluations should be conducted on any and all children in the collective families. The adults may have and/or most likely victims of sexual abuse too. But, it has to stop and it has to be recognized for what it is.
This is a terrible situation no matter how it evolves. Brooke is the ultimate victim and those responsible need to be punished.
calidreamin
07-02-2008, 10:28 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I want this guy hung in the town square IMMEDIATELY.:furious::furious::furious::furious::f urious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
KR2tonenow
07-02-2008, 10:29 PM
snip {Bennett's mother, Cassandra Gagnon, said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.}snip
O Brother!!!!!!!
calidreamin
07-02-2008, 10:31 PM
snip {Bennett's mother, Cassandra Gagnon, said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.}snip
O Brother!!!!!!!
That mother needs to have her head examined! :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
galvino
07-02-2008, 10:32 PM
I also think that "Breckenridge" consisted of the 2 POS they have in custody, but was masterminded and controlled by that moron Jaques, and participated in by GAGnon when he was in town, and they may have gotten AR to get her boyfriends involved by performing sex in front of the camera. When you are abused sexually, acting out and being hyper sexual at a young age comes w/the territory. Others adult males may have been involved in trading images online. He probably TOLD AR there were more men involved in order to seem legit- dis she say that she performed sex acts w/anyone other than Unkle Jerk and GAG non? I would think we would have gotten word if LE or the Feds were 'interrogating' anyone else. I could be wrong tho!
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:32 PM
He looks as creepy as CHester Arthur Stiles & Couey. Wonder if he ever went to Nevada and dumped child porn in the desert?He is worse. He was creating the child porn that Stiles' dumped in the desert.
Sleuthster
07-02-2008, 10:34 PM
adding this to the sad NEWS :(
Missing Vermont girl found dead
OMG I am so sad, and I am so angry!! Words just can't describe.
KR2tonenow
07-02-2008, 10:34 PM
That mother needs to have her head examined! :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
Honestly,I could think of alot worse things:rolleyes:
angelwngs
07-02-2008, 10:35 PM
snip {Bennett's mother, Cassandra Gagnon, said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.}snip
O Brother!!!!!!!
OMG! :eek: This sounds as if it could have been the reaction of a female in the P. Ramsey genepool........... Dear Lord Help Us All....
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 10:35 PM
That mother needs to have her head examined! :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
I second that calidreamin!
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:35 PM
OMG I am so sad, and I am so angry!! Words just can't describe.We know. We are right there with you.
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 10:36 PM
Video from Shep on Fox before the announcement of Brooke's death.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1969422&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b 7ea0a1398
galvino
07-02-2008, 10:37 PM
SS- Stiles also created the porn dumped in the desert- that is how we got him- he was IN those movies along with the toddler he raped! The only thing that makes Jaques MORE of a creep is that he murdered his victim
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:38 PM
SS- Stiles also created the porn dumped in the desert- that is how we got him- he was IN those movies along with the toddler he raped! The only thing that makes Jaques MORE of a creep is that he murdered his victim
:offtopic:did they ever catch him?
Fairy1
07-02-2008, 10:40 PM
I am so very sorry about Brooke. Damn these sick freaks to HE**! I fully believe there will be more arrests in connection to this "ring." And sadly, probably more victims as well. This case I'm linking may have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything, but you never know. The name and the Texas connection......:confused:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breckenridge_tara.html
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 10:41 PM
Thanks for the link, Suz.
KR2tonenow
07-02-2008, 10:43 PM
I am so very sorry about Brooke. Damn these sick freaks to HE**! I fully believe there will be more arrests in connection to this "ring." And sadly, probably more victims as well. This case I'm linking may have absolutely NOTHING to do with anything, but you never know. The name and the Texas connection......:confused:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breckenridge_tara.html
Very interesting find, this could have been going on since 1992. Their first victim could very well be this poor woman.
SuziQ
07-02-2008, 10:45 PM
Video: Hundreds gather to remember Brooke:
http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Hundreds-gather-to-remember-Brooke-Bennett-/1215048535.html
luthersmama
07-02-2008, 10:47 PM
Well, I guess it doesn't really matter what "Breckinridge" means or what these creeps were "into". Gagnon has spilled the beans in order to get federal time instead of state. They aren't going to get out alive. If they do not get charged on federal capital charges they will not be entitled to free legal advice. If they are put on death row they will get a state-appointed attorney to handle their appeals. I don't see them getting out of jail ever. Its just a matter of where they do their time and whether or not they pay for their appeals.
Poor Brooke. Poor cousin who was raped for 5 years and then had to turn on her daddy. Poor Jim and family So sad. Could have been prevented. I hope somebody learns and another life is saved. And I hope any other children of Cassandra and Denise are removed ASAP. Wussies. They must have suspected.
Tom'sGirl
07-02-2008, 10:48 PM
:offtopic:did they ever catch him?
:offtopic:Reply
They sure did, on a fluke........driving a car without plates while still in the area.
englishleigh
07-02-2008, 10:48 PM
WAS there a connection to Cullman, Alabama? Someone posted that Brooke lived there a few years ago...was that with POS Sick Freak and her mom? And that there's a missing 12 -yo girl from Cullman, too? Asking b/c I live in Alabama...
Mohabi
07-02-2008, 10:48 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but I want this guy hung in the town square IMMEDIATELY.:furious::furious::furious::furious::f urious::furious::furious::furious::furious:
I second that thought! There must be a ONE strike rule, no second chances.
Hanging in the town square is permanent therapy and it works!
My heart and thoughts go out to Brooke's father and his wife, and to the other little girl who will have to live with these horrible memories.
believe09
07-02-2008, 10:48 PM
Snip
"To the community, thank you so much for all your support and help, and I hope I can keep continuing to get that," said Brooke's mother, Cassandra Gagnon. She wore a photo pin of her daughter on her T-shirt.
She said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.
Snip
She is hoping for continued support in her community...I see.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:49 PM
SS- Stiles also created the porn dumped in the desert- that is how we got him- he was IN those movies along with the toddler he raped! The only thing that makes Jaques MORE of a creep is that he murdered his victimHas been a long day. Of course, he did. :doh:
amomandherblog
07-02-2008, 10:50 PM
That's what I'm hoping. That's the only real hope we have that Michael Jacques will receive anything resembling proper punishment.
I am so depressed. I never really thought Brooke had run away, but deep down, I was still hoping. I've been too depressed to even come on here and post.
englishleigh
07-02-2008, 10:50 PM
Well, I guess it doesn't really matter what "Breckinridge" means or what these creeps were "into". Gagnon has spilled the beans in order to get federal time instead of state. They aren't going to get out alive. If they do not get charged on federal capital charges they will not be entitled to free legal advice. If they are put on death row they will get a state-appointed attorney to handle their appeals. I don't see them getting out of jail ever. Its just a matter of where they do their time and whether or not they pay for their appeals.
Poor Brooke. Poor cousin who was raped for 5 years and then had to turn on her daddy. Poor Jim and family So sad. Could have been prevented. I hope somebody learns and another life is saved. And I hope any other children of Cassandra and Denise are removed ASAP. Wussies. They must have suspected.
I wonder if Denise and Cassandra are just STUPID. Not making excuses for them, but they might just both be airheads.
jnodrog
07-02-2008, 10:50 PM
How is it that this myspace page of Brookes was accessed today??
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=358797754
Thought this is the one password was changed so said by the guy in Texas?
Is there still someone out there?
Allen
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:52 PM
Snip
"To the community, thank you so much for all your support and help, and I hope I can keep continuing to get that," said Brooke's mother, Cassandra Gagnon. She wore a photo pin of her daughter on her T-shirt.
She said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.
Snip
She is hoping for continued support in her community...I see.She doesn't deserve community support as she failed miserably to protect this darling girl who is now dead and she put her in that position to begin with. I have no sympathy for her.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:53 PM
How is it that this myspace page of Brookes was accessed today??
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=358797754
Thought this is the one password was changed so said by the guy in Texas?
Is there still someone out there?
AllenLE is accessing it now.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:53 PM
I wonder if Denise and Cassandra are just STUPID. Not making excuses for them, but they might just both be airheads.No one is that stupid or that blind.
Mohabi
07-02-2008, 10:54 PM
I wonder if Denise and Cassandra are just STUPID. Not making excuses for them, but they might just both be airheads.
Nobody can be THAT stupid.....??*&^!%@*#%^#
Carrington
07-02-2008, 10:55 PM
Video from Shep on Fox before the announcement of Brooke's death.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1969422&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b 7ea0a1398
Mike and Denise's House looks brand new.
Is not having grass and high weeds normal for that area?
Or was it just built and they just moved in?
I know they also have another house "next door"
:confused:
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:56 PM
WAS there a connection to Cullman, Alabama? Someone posted that Brooke lived there a few years ago...was that with POS Sick Freak and her mom? And that there's a missing 12 -yo girl from Cullman, too? Asking b/c I live in Alabama...You have my attention. Who is she?!
englishleigh
07-02-2008, 10:56 PM
Nobody can be THAT stupid.....??*&^!%@*#%^#
I guess I am for posting such a thing. :bang:
englishleigh
07-02-2008, 10:57 PM
You have my attention. Who is she?!
Not sure...someone posted it several threads back. I missed looking at it.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:57 PM
WAS there a connection to Cullman, Alabama? Someone posted that Brooke lived there a few years ago...was that with POS Sick Freak and her mom? And that there's a missing 12 -yo girl from Cullman, too? Asking b/c I live in Alabama...
I believe MJ said he killed a 12 year old in Arizona as a threat to his 18 year old victim. MJ could have came down for a visit, but it's probably not the same girl. That would have been before 93.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 10:58 PM
:offtopic:Reply
They sure did, on a fluke........driving a car without plates while still in the area.
Thanks
jnodrog
07-02-2008, 10:59 PM
I just wanted to say to everyone here ive never seen so much information found out, and very good info.
I would have to say Everyone involved in the search did a great job, as we all know some ppl are never found.
Even though it really pisses me off (i have dealt with this as my niece was murdered in Barre) it is not easy.
But im glad she was found to be brought home.
Thank you to all of you.
Allen
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 10:59 PM
I believe MJ said he killed a 12 year old in Alabama as a threat to his 18 year old victim. MJ could have came down for a visit, but it's probably not the same girl. That would have been before 93.He used the threat that he raped and killed a 12 yo girl in AZ in 1985 on AR. While I did think it was just a ruse...maybe not. We need to keep looking into that. Maybe even in our UIDs.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:00 PM
I believe MJ said he killed a 12 year old in Alabama as a threat to his 18 year old victim. MJ could have came down for a visit, but it's probably not the same girl. That would have been before 93.
Im pretty sure in the article it said Arizona.
Respectfully :)
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Story is on Greta right now.
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Gretas' talking about the case now.:mad:
Carrington
07-02-2008, 11:01 PM
Snip
"To the community, thank you so much for all your support and help, and I hope I can keep continuing to get that," said Brooke's mother, Cassandra Gagnon. She wore a photo pin of her daughter on her T-shirt.
She said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.
Snip
She is hoping for continued support in her community...I see.
I hate it when I am sitting at my computer with my mouth hanging open.
Mohabi
07-02-2008, 11:01 PM
I guess I am for posting such a thing. :bang:
No you're not, dearest Englishleigh, you were just trying to be graceful and give them the gift of doubt...
Hugs!
Sleuthster
07-02-2008, 11:01 PM
You have my attention. Who is she?!
I think she is referring to KC Storm Swain
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1086775&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
There was another post earlier back on here about her.
You know anything is a possibility. That POS MJ had this planned out, who's to say that he hasn't done this before. I would like to know where exactly he's lived in the past 20 years. We have a few in Fl that a Sick POS like him could have had his hands in, first one comes to mind is Jennifer Odom.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 11:02 PM
Sorry about that I edit my post.
galvino
07-02-2008, 11:03 PM
Yeah Spazz- he has his own thread here!
You know ya'll, I have been lurking for a long time here and on IS, only posting recently and I just want to make an observation-
When Stiles news broke- everyone in America was shocked and sickened. Before that when Jessica Lundsford was murdered everyone was shocked and sickened. Before that... every case shocks and sickens ALL of us. there is always a case that comes before, and ones that come after which are deplorable and could have been prevented. People like Adam Walsh, Mark Klaas, Mark Lundsford and the many other parents of murdered children have made so many strides in passing legistature to help (ie Jessie's Law, Amber Alerts, etc.) and I applaud that! But we can enact law after law to help people, but I see the problem being solved (very simplistically) ONLY if
1) Laws are more stringent for 1st time sex offenders (not against the 17 yr old with a 15 yr old girlfriend) in EVERY STATE and are the same across the US.
AND
2) Children are educated about what is appropriate and not appropriate conduct. We can not leave that kind of education up to the parents because, as this case so clearly illustrates, There are a LOT of moronic/drug addled/growth stunted/irresponsible parents out there who will not take the time and care to talk to their children about these matters, or pay attention to the signs that are smacking them in the face because of their unwillingness to believe that evil resides in their OWN families. I know be/c I lived this (tho not to this extent).
I am so f*cking sick of this happening to children that I think that this tragedy may be the imputus (sp) that makes me get off my ample butt and do something about it. I am just so tired of reading about this kind of thing, each one more horrific than the last, and only being able to express my outrage on places like this. I just don't know the best way to do that. Any suggestions?
(sorry for my rant!)
brighidin
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Wonder how Storm Woodard feels tonight.
"I had my thoughts, before this"
http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=cec1567b-b9e7-4f3d-b340-426018696500
Let me get this straight:
This great-uncle had suspicions.
Cassandra knew MJ was a RSO and when confronted by the father said it wasn't an issue.
Denise was practically slapped in the face with proof that MJ was raping her daughter.
And no one did a damn thing.
Unbelievable. When I got home this evening and saw two whole threads had been filled today I knew that the case had probably taken a turn for the worse. How tragic...and preventable.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
Yeah Spazz- he has his own thread here!
You know ya'll, I have been lurking for a long time here and on IS, only posting recently and I just want to make an observation-
When Stiles news broke- everyone in America was shocked and sickened. Before that when Jessica Lundsford was murdered everyone was shocked and sickened. Before that... every case shocks and sickens ALL of us. there is always a case that comes before, and ones that come after which are deplorable and could have been prevented. People like Adam Walsh, Mark Klaas, Mark Lundsford and the many other parents of murdered children have made so many strides in passing legistature to help (ie Jessie's Law, Amber Alerts, etc.) and I applaud that! But we can enact law after law to help people, but I see the problem being solved (very simplistically) ONLY if
1) Laws are more stringent for 1st time sex offenders (not against the 17 yr old with a 15 yr old girlfriend) in EVERY STATE and are the same across the US.
AND
2) Children are educated about what is appropriate and not appropriate conduct. We can not leave that kind of education up to the parents because, as this case so clearly illustrates, There are a LOT of moronic/drug addled/growth stunted/irresponsible parents out there who will not take the time and care to talk to their children about these matters, or pay attention to the signs that are smacking them in the face because of their unwillingness to believe that evil resides in their OWN families. I know be/c I lived this (tho not to this extent).
I am so f*cking sick of this happening to children that I think that this tragedy may be the imputus (sp) that makes me get off my ample butt and do something about it. I am just so tired of reading about this kind of thing, each one more horrific than the last, and only being able to express my outrage on places like this. I just don't know the best way to do that. Any suggestions?
(sorry for my rant!)
philamena
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
My heart is broken. If only this monster had been reported by the other victim. From this day forward we need to impress/force whatever it takes, the schools, churches, kids clubs, whomever to lecture kids to report these monsters immediately. Apparently whatever is being done now isn't getting through to the kids.
God Bless you, Brooke. My promise to you is to educate victims to report immediately.
Absolutely BB.:clap::clap::clap:
gitana1
07-02-2008, 11:06 PM
This just sucks. I've been lurking for a few days since I heard about this story. Taking care of my sick father and no time to write, nothing much to add. But, I held out hope while reading all your posts. I just wanted to feel a story like this could end up okay, I guess. Just ONE of these kids surviving, even though I know it's so rare. I heard the news around 5:30 p.m. pacific standard time on Nancy Grace. I feel so sad for this little girl. She seemed so joyful. I also feel resigned, which is not good. Powerless to prevent this kind of thing from happening. It seems that no matter what we do, this kind of evil is allowed to continue. Is a one strike law so hard to understand? How about a nationwide policy of aggressively prosecuting mothers for neglect and abuse when they allow their children to be unattended around the boyfriend, uncle, etc, and something goes wrong? How about mandatory sentences for mothers who allow their children to be unattended with an SO when they KNOW the POS is a sex offender? Why can't we make kids a priority in this country? What's so damn hard about that?
Leila
07-02-2008, 11:07 PM
My heart is broken. If only this monster had been reported by the other victim. From this day forward we need to impress/force whatever it takes, the schools, churches, kids clubs, whomever to lecture kids to report these monsters immediately. Apparently whatever is being done now isn't getting through to the kids.
God Bless you, Brooke. My promise to you is to educate victims to report immediately.
I agree! I wonder why no one in the community took note that a RSO was living there, in a household that included at least one young girl - AR. Teachers, local LE, and other community organizations should have been foremost in teaching children about predators.
I'm angry, as I'm sure everyone here is, that this was preventable had Brooke had a decent and responsible mother. The family, including Cassandra, Denise, and the maternal grandmother, are all to blame for not taking steps to prevent their daughters/granddaughters from falling prey to sex offenders. :mad:
philamena
07-02-2008, 11:07 PM
That mother needs to have her head examined! :behindbar:behindbar:behindbar
And her azz kicked. :furious::furious::furious:
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:08 PM
It is good to know that WSers are more informed and up-to-date than Greta's reporters on the scene. WTG, WSers!
dimples37398
07-02-2008, 11:09 PM
Wonder if there could be any possibility of him knowing any info about this missing child.....
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilbur_heide.html
Amster
07-02-2008, 11:09 PM
Snip
"To the community, thank you so much for all your support and help, and I hope I can keep continuing to get that," said Brooke's mother, Cassandra Gagnon. She wore a photo pin of her daughter on her T-shirt.
She said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.
Snip
She is hoping for continued support in her community...I see.
Where did she say this? Did people throw rotting fruit and veggies at her? Eggs? :furious:
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 11:10 PM
Greta did say something in regards to Jacques mugshot.
greta, "no one would ever say, I wish he was my uncle".
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:13 PM
I would like info on who decided to let MJ out of prison after serving only 3 years. A parole board, a judge? And then swamp them with phone calls and emails!
This should hang over their heads like a ton of bricks.
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 11:14 PM
Yeah Spazz- he has his own thread here!
Does he really, or are you joking? I would love to track down where he has lived in the past, and I think a time line of that information would be helpful.
gitana1
07-02-2008, 11:15 PM
Sounds like a good idea MissHolmes. Judges don't like their decisions to come back to haunt them and when they do, it sends a message out to others to watch their steps when issuing such rulings.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:16 PM
By the way, great posts tonight...Everyone! Very thoughtful and even the angry ones are very well stated. I like the ideas of changing the laws and informing children of abusers etc. I am proud to be part of such a caring and intelligent group of people. Hugs~
Education is the key, but the sad reality is that some children will always fall prey to these men because of the fear they inflict upon them. The kids in this case didn't have a chance against them. Maybe we need to start putting the fear of God into the Judicial system and the Attorneys who represent these scumbags to get them back into society! Let them serve EQUAL time with the re-offender when it happens! (No ifs to worry about there.) I would say there would be a swift change in sentencing for these creeps!!
DeterminedPI
07-02-2008, 11:16 PM
I would love to know how many other children hve fallen victim to these ***holes!
Amster
07-02-2008, 11:17 PM
I would like info on who decided to let MJ out of prison after serving only 3 years. A parole board, a judge? And then swamp them with phone calls and emails!
This should hang over their heads like a ton of bricks.
AMEN!
How can we find out? Also, who was "treating" him?
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 11:17 PM
Did Vermont ever pass Jessica's Law?
concernedperson
07-02-2008, 11:18 PM
It is good to know that WSers are more informed and up-to-date than Greta's reporters on the scene. WTG, WSers!
We work hard at it. This is a passion that defies news coverage as we have seen too much, felt too much, and daily provide info on victims. Whether anyone notices or each other we are making awareness. It needs to be more on a national scale...quit worrying so much about your boss, your traffic tickets etc.
It is time to protect children, not just in reading programs but from terrible abuse in homes and from other predators. It is an old cliche...our children are our future. How can we give them a future when they are damaged from internal abuse? The other old cliche is it takes a village...well it does. The worldwide village that takes note and demands answers and accountability.
Amster
07-02-2008, 11:18 PM
Did Vermont ever pass Jessica's Law?
NO :furious::furious:
galvino
07-02-2008, 11:19 PM
Miss Holmes- Chester Stiles has his own thread here (I will refer to him as POS #!), the guy that video taped himself raping a toddler
POS #2 would be these two pukes (Unkie Creepy & GAG-non)
jnodrog
07-02-2008, 11:20 PM
I noticed that the Bishes (thier daughter was murdered i believe in Ma.) were up here for the Vigil tonight.
They are looking for some law changes involving minor children.
Allen
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:20 PM
Did Vermont ever pass Jessica's Law?
Just googled it, cant see that they have yet.....
Spazkat9696
07-02-2008, 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by believe09 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2345345#post2345345)
Snip
"To the community, thank you so much for all your support and help, and I hope I can keep continuing to get that," said Brooke's mother, Cassandra Gagnon. She wore a photo pin of her daughter on her T-shirt.
She said she was "very surprised" by her ex-husband's alleged involvement.
Snip
Am I the only one who sees a fund for Brooke in mom's name being set up to help with expenses. Yes I think Brooke should have nice services, but I think mom is going to make this all about her. It has always been about her. Maybe if she had put Brooke first this would not have happened. I admit I was unsure if the mom knew MJ was a RSO, and I even gave her the benefit of the doubt at first. Now however I know better, and I have no sympathy for her, just Brooke. I support Brooke, but I have support for her mom. Mothers are supposed to protect their children. She didn't do that, so in my eyes she was not a mother to Brooke.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:21 PM
I would love to know how many other children have fallen victim to these ***holes!As soon as the ink dries on the new charge of murder one and knowing neither one will be getting out of jail on some ridiculously low bail by some Judge that has no spine...I expect we will see more surface. They have to be assured of their safety and that no "government program" truly exists to come and kill them.
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 11:21 PM
NO :furious::furious:
Ok, thats where we start. Get with Bill O"Reilly and start storming Vermont with emails. Put the screws to them and make them take responsibility for this tragedy.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:23 PM
Ok, thats where we start. Get with Bill O"Reilly and start storming Vermont with emails. Put the screws to them and make them take responsibility for this tragedy.
Agree, agree!
nursebeeme
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
The next arrest I want to hear about is Denise....and the 3rd man....
who are Denise and the third man?
oceanblueeyes
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
Does anyone know if Jacques has lived in other states? Mark Klass suggested that LE take another look at any unsolved missing child cases in the Vermont area, but I'd like to know if the POS traveled much or ever resided in another state. Also, what were the 3 years he was incarcerated -- 1992'-1995' ?
He told the first girl he raped that he had killed a 12 year old girl from Arizona.
Sorry if this has already been said. I am just coming on line and trying to catch up.
I am so sorry to see it end this way but in my heart I felt that it would with this man in Brooke's environment.
imoo
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
Am I the only one who sees a fund for Brooke in mom's name being set up to help with expenses. Yes I think Brooke should have nice services, but I think mom is going to make this all about her. It has always been about her. Maybe if she had put Brooke first this would not have happened. I admit I was unsure if the mom knew MJ was a RSO, and I even gave her the benefit of the doubt at first. Now however I know better, and I have no sympathy for her, just Brooke. I support Brooke, but I have support for her mom. Mothers are supposed to protect their children. She didn't do that, so in my eyes she was not a mother to Brooke.I hope that Jim and Janet take over the services...planning and otherwise. Let her egg donor attend, but not let her take a role in anything else. If any monies is going to come to the family from the community, it should go to Jim and Janet as well.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
If you read this: http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070117/OPINION02/701170333/1022/OPINION02
it tells you why Jessica's law hasnt been passed yet. It is the legislature.
MCDRAW
07-02-2008, 11:26 PM
These men are cons. They can convince people of anything. We had a RSO move into our neighborhood. My friend lived next door to him. She was furious to begin with, the next thing I know I see them visiting with each other. Her children playing with his children. I called her and jumped on her and she told me that she thought he was innocent. I told her that is what they what you to believe. That is how they lure their victims. Thankfully he has moved out of our neighborhood. This woman isn't stupid but once she got to know him, he convinced not only her but her husband that he was innocent. I'm not saying Brooke's mother or aunt didn't know or shouldn't have known...I just know that these men are cons and can convince people that they would never do such a thing.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Here is a link to get the emails of the lovely Vermont legislature:
http://www.leg.state.vt.us/legdir/legdir2.htm
Beyond Belief
07-02-2008, 11:27 PM
News coming up on Greta on Tara Grinstead.
I would like info on who decided to let MJ out of prison after serving only 3 years. A parole board, a judge? And then swamp them with phone calls and emails!
This should hang over their heads like a ton of bricks.
This sounds like a great idea. How can we find out. They all have Brooke's blood on their hands.
SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 11:28 PM
who are Denise and the third man?Denise is the wife of Michael Jacques, who was just charged with kidnapping Brooke and will soon be charged with her murder. MJ is Brooke's uncle and the man who along with Brooke's step-father, Ray Gagnon has been raping her cousin (his daughter) for the past 5 years or so. We do not know the identity of the 3rd man yet.
MissHolmes
07-02-2008, 11:28 PM
The Vermont Legislature
Legislative Directory E-Mail Addresses for Senators
2007-2008 Legislative Session
Senator State House Address Home Address Work Address Claire Ayer cayer@leg.state.vt.us Susan Bartlett sbartlett@leg.state.vt.us John Campbell jcampbell@leg.state.vt.us vt13@aol.com Bill Carris bcarris@leg.state.vt.us bill.carris@carris.net bill.carris@carris.net Donald "Don" Collins dcollins@leg.state.vt.us James Condos jcondos@leg.state.vt.us George Coppenrath gcoppenrath@leg.state.vt.us george.coppenrath@gmail.com Ann Cummings acummings@leg.state.vt.us William Doyle wdoyle@leg.state.vt.us Ed Flanagan EFlanagan@leg.state.vt.us Harold Giard hgiard@leg.state.vt.us Robert Hartwell rhartwell@leg.state.vt.us hartlaw@sover.net Vincent Illuzzi villuzzi@leg.state.vt.us M. Jane Kitchel janek45@hotmail.com Sara Branon Kittell skittell@leg.state.vt.us Virginia "Ginny" Lyons vlyons@leg.state.vt.us vvlyons@cs.com Mark MacDonald mmacdonald@leg.state.vt.us senatormark@aol.com Hull Maynard Hull@sover.net Richard McCormack rmccormack@leg.state.vt.us dick@mccormack4vt.com Hinda Miller hmiller@leg.state.vt.us hinda@deforestconcepts.com Kevin Mu