View Full Version : Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #8
I need more tinfoil for my hat because I was just thinking the same thing. I was thinking why do I feel so different about AR than I did about Hornbeck and others. And then you said "she seemed so into it." That's why for me. However, would I feel different about Hornbeck if I had the details I have in this case?
that's a good thought, about would we feel differently if we had more information on other cases. it's sometimes hard for me to swallow how manipulated people can be, yet we see it time and time again. i'd love to give people the benefit of the doubt, but that's hard to do when it ends as tragically as it did for Brooke! Ah, this is all just so horrible. thanks for your imput!
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 07:42 PM
Whats confusing me some is in all the emails written by chvy and raeul all refer to "dad" - I realize that these are other user names for MJ but I dont understand why they all refer to A.R. father as dad? Hope that makes sense having a tough time trying to explain what I am saying.They refer to MJ as her dad and her bio dad as her father. Remember, the two men writing her are "working with dad" in "Breckenridge" so are supposed to know him. Maybe in E's (chevy) case, he refers to him as his dad because he is due to become his father-in-law someday. Does that help?
Chica
07-03-2008, 07:42 PM
Whats confusing me some is in all the emails written by chvy and raeul all refer to "dad" - I realize that these are other user names for MJ but I dont understand why they all refer to A.R. father as dad? Hope that makes sense having a tough time trying to explain what I am saying.
I know exactly what you are saying...I work for a school district, and when talking about a students parents, we always call them 'mom' or 'dad', i.e., we're talking about Jane Doe, and how her parents don't enforce any rules at home, we might say, "If mom would just make her sit down and do her homework", or, "Dad lets her get away with anything she wants!!". Does that make sense?
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 07:43 PM
So any guess as to what was found at MJ's house that lead to Brooke's grave? It would be interesting to find out whether that evidence came from MJ or AR.
It would also be interesting to know if Juvi 2 ever did pick up AR that day.
philamena
07-03-2008, 07:43 PM
Hi phil:blowkiss:. That was perfect, said only the way you can.:clap::clap::clap::furious:
Hello dear friend. :blowkiss:
Doesn't this case break your heart?
skymom
07-03-2008, 07:44 PM
Always got me covered, don't you? Woohoo! Can you look to see what items he bought? You can just give a word or two and we can figure it out from there.
He ordered three things:
The machine
Dildo for the machine
Waist bar (part of restraining apparatus for the machine)
Sick, sick, sick. :mad:
Skymom
philamena
07-03-2008, 07:44 PM
I don't really believe in the death penalty, partially because I could never imagine sitting on a jury and deciding whether or not a person should live or die, but this is a case where I would actually love to be there and start the drip (g-d forgive me)!!
RR, I think we all feel that way about this case.
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 07:46 PM
Thanks skymom. Absolutely evil.
Taximom
07-03-2008, 07:49 PM
Part of the name of the dildo is "Kong", if that gives you any idea what that one might be like. :(
Busylady
07-03-2008, 07:50 PM
Yes it does help, my brain is just turning to mush.
They refer to MJ as her dad and her bio dad as her father. Remember, the two men writing her are "working with dad" in "Breckenridge" so are supposed to know him. Maybe in E's (chevy) case, he refers to him as his dad because he is due to become his father-in-law someday. Does that help?
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 07:50 PM
I need more tinfoil for my hat because I was just thinking the same thing. I was thinking why do I feel so different about AR than I did about Hornbeck and others. And then you said "she seemed so into it." That's why for me. However, would I feel different about Hornbeck if I had the details I have in this case?Suzi, I think the big difference is that they didn't help kill anyone. Shawn helped kidnap and keep...but he didn't kill him. Plus..the deep planning stages here leaving her time to backout, but as we know...she didn't even consider it that we can tell by the emails and her actions.
The anger she shows towards Brooke, I believe, comes from MJ, E, and C telling her things to build it up as fear based hated such as possibly that Brooke was brought in from the "phone company" or other group to infiltrate and destroy them type of scenario. Brooke is seen as an enormous threat to her "dad" (MJ) or at least it is what they made her believe for a period of time.
Does that make more sense?
Taximom
07-03-2008, 07:51 PM
They refer to MJ as her dad and her bio dad as her father. Remember, the two men writing her are "working with dad" in "Breckenridge" so are supposed to know him. Maybe in E's (chevy) case, he refers to him as his dad because he is due to become his father-in-law someday. Does that help?
Ick now I remember a part from one of the fake ID emails telling AR to get closer to her dad (I'm assuming MJ). ICK ICK ICK
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 07:53 PM
Juvenile one is just that--- a juvenile.
She has probably been brainwashed and raped for years.
Let's not attack a victim.
If not for her, no one would have found Brooke, right?
J1 provided much needed info.
I feel very conflicted about AR. However, I do believe at some point a victim stops being a victim when they becomes a perp and needs to be held accountable. Otherwise we'd never be able to send any child molesters to prison as most started out as victims themselves. How should AR be treated in this? Court ordered counseling at least. Because we can't let her screwed up family be in charge of that.
Littledeer
07-03-2008, 07:54 PM
:furious::furious:
:furious::furious:
keybbboard sticking...sorry
no words for what I've read so far
Poor Brooke!!!!!!
has safe been found yet?
(got upset and spilled pepsi all over it last night reading affidavits...sick, sick, sick)
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 07:55 PM
Suzi, I think the big difference is that they didn't help kill anyone. Shawn helped kidnap and keep...but he didn't kill him. Plus..the deep planning stages here leaving her time to backout, but as we know...she didn't even consider it that we can tell by the emails and her actions.
I certainly agree with that.
colomom
07-03-2008, 07:56 PM
He ordered three things:
The machine
Dildo for the machine
Waist bar (part of restraining apparatus for the machine)
Sick, sick, sick. :mad:
Skymom
It is very clear that for Uncle Creepy this was not about sex for pleasure and there is certainly no love involved. Those "machines" are all about control, dominance and rape.
He is insignificant and powerless. He is a weasel. This is all about his trying to compensate for his nothingness.
I still think the "ring" is 2 or 3 close individuals. Also known as maggots.
Carrington
07-03-2008, 07:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOqQEUWZ3lM
4 minutes in shows close-up of the Jacques house.
A couple of people wanted to see if they could place a value on it.
Edited to correct link-I hope
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 07:58 PM
Part of the name of the dildo is "Kong", if that gives you any idea what that one might be like. :(
Can you even begin to imagine the anger and fury that Brooke's real father is experiencing over the details involved in Brooke's torture and death?
OMG.......If Brooke were our daughter, my husband would have to be physically restrained for the rest of MJ's natural life on this Earth... :furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious:
This is one case that due process should not even apply...
philamena
07-03-2008, 07:58 PM
I'm driving by a place on my way home that sells a package deal - enough to treat 50 child molesters with a 0% recidivism guarantee (http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=326) - for about $32. I'm buying.
I'd like to go with you.
I also need to let you know that I think these scumbags should suffer first. :furious::furious:
twinkiesmom
07-03-2008, 07:58 PM
I got the impression from the poorly redacted version that AR might have been gaslighted to believe her helping in the scheme would somehow protect "dad" from the other adult members of the group.
Anyhow, after seeing it (Thanks, Chica), it does seem like some of the shorter redactions referred to "dad" and if you add 2+2 that the other she was corresponding to was really dad assuming a different persona (at least the Raoul persona if not another one), it really gets sicker (and it seems more logical as to how she may have been tricked).
Littledeer
07-03-2008, 07:59 PM
I thought I was up to date,
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Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2349280#post2349280)
Suzi, I think the big difference is that they didn't help kill anyone. Shawn helped kidnap and keep...but he didn't kill him. Plus..the deep planning stages here leaving her time to backout, but as we know...she didn't even consider it that we can tell by the emails and her actions.
but who is "him?"
colomom
07-03-2008, 08:00 PM
keybbboard sticking...sorry
(got upset and spilled pepsi all over it last night reading affidavits.
LittleDeer....FYI (http://www.ehow.com/video_113592_clean-keyboard-spills.html)
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:01 PM
Because MJ IS her parent that would be getting the divorce and losing his "time" with AR. MJ aka "E" wanted AR to tell Denise and the counselor that AR didn't like the way mom was treating her "dad" (MJ) in an effort to make Denise feel guilty, I guess. (From what was said about AR's father being around, we need to find out more about him. Obviously, MJ knew Denise was talking to him and he was jealous.)
Was there something in the affidavit that talked about going to a cousnelor? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.
KR2tonenow
07-03-2008, 08:03 PM
NG reporting NOW!
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 08:04 PM
Was there something in the affidavit that talked about going to a cousnelor? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.
Yes, AR was going to a counselor with her mother, I believe...and MJ as whoever he was pretending to be in that particular email was preping her about what to say to the counselor...
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:05 PM
A.R. father is Shawn E. Rice per birth records
She married Shawn E. Rice 4/7/1990
could not locate divorce records for Shawn and Denise
Denise marries Scott R. Rice
per divorce records Denise divorced Scott R. Rice on 6/10/1997
from what I can tell by track it - Shawn E and Scott R are brothers but not confirmed
Why on earth would this woman marry brothers? She is clearly insane!
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:06 PM
Am I reading correctly that he started raping this relative when he was 11?!!!
Judge OKed Early Probation Release for Jacques
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8618279
(snips)
Court records released today show his sex crime history began in 1985 when he was 18, charged with having sex with a 15-year-old relative.
She told police he had sex with her at least 100 times starting when she was eight.
But she refused to testify against him, so the charge of lewd and lascivious conduct had to be dismissed.
Eight years later, Jacques was convicted of a kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old woman in Rutland. (much more at link....must read)
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:06 PM
part of the name of the dildo is "kong", if that gives you any idea what that one might be like. :(
omg!!
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:07 PM
am i reading correctly that he started raping this relative when he was 11?!!!
judge oked early probation release for jacques
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8618279
(snips)
court records released today show his sex crime history began in 1985 when he was 18, charged with having sex with a 15-year-old relative.
she told police he had sex with her at least 100 times starting when she was eight.
but she refused to testify against him, so the charge of lewd and lascivious conduct had to be dismissed.
eight years later, jacques was convicted of a kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old woman in rutland. (much more at link....must read)
omg! Omg!
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:09 PM
He can't just burn those things so they have to be somewhere. I would believe that LE has them or will find them.
I tell you, this case is like a nightmare that doesn't end. We are just getting small pieces of it and I cannot imagine the poor agents and officers that are living it right now. Listening to AR's stories, MJ's stories, RG's stories, then having to go to find her body knowing it all beforehand. I don't know how they handle it. :( I know I couldn't. I would snap like a twig and end up in some loony bin somewhere.
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:10 PM
I feel very conflicted about AR. However, I do believe at some point a victim stops being a victim when they becomes a perp and needs to be held accountable. Otherwise we'd never be able to send any child molesters to prison as most started out as victims themselves. How should AR be treated in this? Court ordered counseling at least. Because we can't let her screwed up family be in charge of that.
I sooo wish she was taken out of that environment now!!
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Ick now I remember a part from one of the fake ID emails telling AR to get closer to her dad (I'm assuming MJ). ICK ICK ICK
I still believe the two of them were talking in code...so as to not be found out or connected in some way.
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:16 PM
Good article pointing out the problems with Vermonts justice system in dealing with child sexual assault. Judge Davenport was Judge Cashman's boss:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182151,00.html
(snips)
Today in a shocking editorial, the far left Brattleboro Reformer (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('Brattleboro Reformer');) editorialized, "The national conservative media, without knowing any of the facts of the case, presented [Judge] Cashman as, in the words of conservative talk show host Bill O'Reilly last week, `the worst judge in the USA.' Cashman is forcing the citizens of the state to think long and hard about crime and punishment and the costs all of us must share. Lengthy jail terms without rehabilitation will not accomplish anything. A different approach is needed, one divorced from cheap political demagoguery."
This is how insane things are now in Vermont. This newspaper believes long prison terms for child rapists accomplish nothing. Somehow I thought protecting kids by keeping vicious child predators locked up, somehow I thought that was part of America's justice system. I guess I was wrong.
But Vermont may not even be part of America anymore. While general crime in that state is down in 2004, sex crimes rose 59 percent and half the victims were children.
Vermont Judge Amy Davenport (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('Judge Amy Davenport');) has also emerged as a villain. She could remove Cashman from criminal cases and put him in civil court. Ms. Davenport has not done that.
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:16 PM
Also...MJ seems to have had a whole lot of time on his hands...would love to know what his absentee rate was at his place of business.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:18 PM
Am I reading correctly that he started raping this relative when he was 11?!!!
Judge OKed Early Probation Release for Jacques
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8618279
(snips)
Court records released today show his sex crime history began in 1985 when he was 18, charged with having sex with a 15-year-old relative.
She told police he had sex with her at least 100 times starting when she was eight.
But she refused to testify against him, so the charge of lewd and lascivious conduct had to be dismissed.
Eight years later, Jacques was convicted of a kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old woman in Rutland. (much more at link....must read)OMG! Yes, that is what it says, Suzi. He would have been 11 years old the first time he raped her. (How in the hell did they get that information?! We need more contacts!)
This sends shivers down my spine because of him telling AR about the 12 yo he killed in AZ in 1985. He could have reacted that way after being found out and when they dismissed the charges...he couldn't risk going to jail as close as he came then. He didn't have to live there at the time, he could have only been traveling around.
This POS was born without a conscience! He is pure evil. I have seen some bad ones, but this guy makes Satan look like a friendly fella.
Busylady
07-03-2008, 08:23 PM
possibility that Denise Jacques is the Sales and Market Administrator for Catamount Commercial Park in Randolph VT.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:24 PM
I still believe the two of them were talking in code...so as to not be found out or connected in some way.AR and MJ?! I guess I don't understand what you mean. I saw no reason for code there. They were blunt and upfront about the plan.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:25 PM
possibility that Denise Jacques is the Sales and Market Administrator for Catamount Commercial Park in Randolph VT.Now, we are getting somewhere!! Thanks, Busylady! Sounds like a good paying job at least.
Chica
07-03-2008, 08:28 PM
Am I reading correctly that he started raping this relative when he was 11?!!!
Judge OKed Early Probation Release for Jacques
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8618279
(snips)
Court records released today show his sex crime history began in 1985 when he was 18, charged with having sex with a 15-year-old relative.
She told police he had sex with her at least 100 times starting when she was eight.
But she refused to testify against him, so the charge of lewd and lascivious conduct had to be dismissed.
Eight years later, Jacques was convicted of a kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old woman in Rutland. (much more at link....must read)
As I recall, someone local to Vermont who-knows-someone-who-knows-someone-who-knows of MJ's family, previously (yesterday maybe?) said that they had heard that MJ and his father were charged but not prosecuted for raping MJ's sister...I pretty much passed it off as rumor/gossip, but this article has me saying OMG!!
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:29 PM
OMG! Could that girl he raped when he was young be his sister we heard about earlier?! They did say she was a relative.
I haven't even let myself go ballistic over that entire article yet. The affidavit was enough to stifle for the moment. I have to keep a handle on my BP and it is about to boil over.
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:29 PM
I just noticed that on page 12 of the new affidavit, it is talking about C and it says "Please let Corey know that I will see him, just can't be this weekend. I am hoping that Monday or Tuesday night we can get together and C has said that, right now, we still can." Do we think Corey is C's supposed name (Clearly C is really MJ, but who is Corey)? Or are the C's just a coincidence?
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 08:29 PM
As I recall, someone local to Vermont who-knows-someone-who-knows-someone-who-knows of MJ's family, previously (yesterday maybe?) said that they had heard that MJ and his father were charged but not prosecuted for raping MJ's sister...I pretty much passed it off as rumor/gossip, but this article has me saying OMG!!
Exactly. It makes what we heard and were told was rumor now have substance!
Busylady
07-03-2008, 08:30 PM
2279 VT RT 66. Catamount Commercial Park. P.O. Box 410. Randolph, VT 05060. Denise Jacques. Sales and Marketing Administrator. 802-728-3400
Aadco Medical Inc.
Route 66 Catamount Commercial Park
PO Box 410
Randolph , VT
05060-0410
Phone: (802) 728-3400
Toll-free: (800) 225-9014
FAX: (802) 728-3107
E-mail: djacques@aadcomed.com (djacques@aadcomed.com)
Not 100% sure its our Denise Jacques - I figured this was ok to post because it comes up by google search? If not please delete or let me know and I will delete.
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 08:33 PM
I just noticed that on page 12 of the new affidavit, it is talking about C and it says "Please let Corey know that I will see him, just can't be this weekend. I am hoping that Monday or Tuesday night we can get together and C has said that, right now, we still can." Do we think Corey is C's supposed name (Clearly C is really MJ, but who is Corey)? Or are the C's just a coincidence?
In the press conference at 10:00 this morning a reporter asked a question that apparently none of us were able to make out what he/she was asking and the annswer was two male names... Corey Raker and Kevin _____. We missed the last name of Kevin but most everyone discussing it here then felt it was Kevin from Texas who disposed of the safe with the laptop in it.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:34 PM
I just noticed that on page 12 of the new affidavit, it is talking about C and it says "Please let Corey know that I will see him, just can't be this weekend. I am hoping that Monday or Tuesday night we can get together and C has said that, right now, we still can." Do we think Corey is C's supposed name (Clearly C is really MJ, but who is Corey)? Or are the C's just a coincidence?Glad you brought that up. If Corey refered to someone in her real life, you would think that LE would not have mentioned those names in the presser or left them in the affidavit. It sounds as if they are made up names of some other personas that MJ has created somewhere. Myspace? Another site? Maybe Corey and the other 3 are supposed to be boys involved in the "Breck" with her that she hasn't met, but talks to on the phone or something.
AR believes that "C" is Rauel Domingo (MJ). Since he uses C and E as "covert names"...I wonder who A, B, and D are?
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:38 PM
As I recall, someone local to Vermont who-knows-someone-who-knows-someone-who-knows of MJ's family, previously (yesterday maybe?) said that they had heard that MJ and his father were charged but not prosecuted for raping MJ's sister...I pretty much passed it off as rumor/gossip, but this article has me saying OMG!!
There's gotta be stuff out there about his dad's charges. What an effed up group of people. His dad passed away in 1990 I think. Hopefully he's rotting in jail.
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:38 PM
Thanks SS and Angel. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything! Too many people involved to keep straight!
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:39 PM
Thanks Busylady!
philamena
07-03-2008, 08:40 PM
I feel very conflicted about AR. However, I do believe at some point a victim stops being a victim when they becomes a perp and needs to be held accountable. Otherwise we'd never be able to send any child molesters to prison as most started out as victims themselves. How should AR be treated in this? Court ordered counseling at least. Because we can't let her screwed up family be in charge of that.
:)I respect your opinion SQ, but I don't see it that way. Especially if the person is underaged.
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:40 PM
Just watched the youtube video that showed his house. It's huge. How did they afford that??
Tom'sGirl
07-03-2008, 08:41 PM
Always got me covered, don't you? Woohoo! Can you look to see what items he bought? You can just give a word or two and we can figure it out from there.
I tried to figure how to post it, so just copied it to a tiny here
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wsk8qt&s=3
englishleigh
07-03-2008, 08:41 PM
I just don't know how much of this I can stand to hear or read about. This might be the worst case of molestation and murder I've heard about....and they are all horrendous. :( :( :furious:
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:42 PM
AR and MJ?! I guess I don't understand what you mean. I saw no reason for code there. They were blunt and upfront about the plan.
No...with all the dad stuff...
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:43 PM
Stephen B. Jacques of Barre City Vt, dob 1/17/1943 died 9/13/1990 and was divorced at that time.
Busylady, I hope you don't mind me bumping up this post regarding MJ's dad.
philamena
07-03-2008, 08:43 PM
It is very clear that for Uncle Creepy this was not about sex for pleasure and there is certainly no love involved. Those "machines" are all about control, dominance and rape.
He is insignificant and powerless. He is a weasel. This is all about his trying to compensate for his nothingness.
I still think the "ring" is 2 or 3 close individuals. Also known as maggots.
Let's not forget that his other need for the machine means his p**** is very very small.
SailorMoon
07-03-2008, 08:44 PM
I went to the site and slimed myself and looked. The 2 attachments (waist bar and vac u lock d**** were recommended). He's surely got other things and how was he paying for all this??
I think that AR was telling "them" what they wanted to hear in the emails. How would you like to be her bf - thinking you were the only one and now finding out who all you shared that "space" with. I'm assuming she was on some "wicked" birth control. I swear, he over used that word so much (wicked) that I never want to hear it again.
All I remember is he also bought an attachment for it. I'm kicking myself for not saving the original affidavit.
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:44 PM
Glad you brought that up. If Corey refered to someone in her real life, you would think that LE would not have mentioned those names in the presser or left them in the affidavit. It sounds as if they are made up names of some other personas that MJ has created somewhere. Myspace? Another site? Maybe Corey and the other 3 are supposed to be boys involved in the "Breck" with her that she hasn't met, but talks to on the phone or something.
AR believes that "C" is Rauel Domingo (MJ). Since he uses C and E as "covert names"...I wonder who A, B, and D are?
I'd also like to know about "Ash"
RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:45 PM
I tried to figure how to post it, so just copied it to a tiny here
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wsk8qt&s=3
Thanks TG.
believe09
07-03-2008, 08:46 PM
As I recall, someone local to Vermont who-knows-someone-who-knows-someone-who-knows of MJ's family, previously (yesterday maybe?) said that they had heard that MJ and his father were charged but not prosecuted for raping MJ's sister...I pretty much passed it off as rumor/gossip, but this article has me saying OMG!!
MissVT was the local who was posting that her source was a friend of Brooke's mother, and that at the vigil the topic of discussion was how MJ and his father had repeatedly raped his sister starting at a young age....Oh My Lord.
Regarding the devices that MJ purportedly ordered, it has to be OK to mention that the devices were for penetration of either sex and that the waist bar was a device used to prevent any movement of the person who was strapped into it....got what I am saying? Just the idea that this was used on a child has made me sick to my stomach all evening....the idea of it being used on an adult is mind boggling enough.
Those who were asking about "snuff"-it is worth mentioning that it has always been an urban legend that it existed for sale...probably since the days of 8mm films. I myself didn't even believe in it's existence with the advent of so much available porn on the internet....not until the Groene case in Idaho. And in this case I think the goal of the whole operation was a snuff film...God help that poor girl. I want to be very, very wrong.
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:47 PM
I'd also like to know about "Ash"
Where did it say Ash? Someone quoted earlier it was on page 10 of the affidavit. The only copy I have is the blacked out copy, so was it in the original or did I just miss it?
Busylady
07-03-2008, 08:47 PM
No problem, still digging away to 100% confirm.
Busylady, I hope you don't mind me bumping up this post regarding MJ's dad.
believe09
07-03-2008, 08:48 PM
As a separate comment, I want to say I think that AR believes Chevy is Gagnon, not MJ whom we know it is....jmo.
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 08:50 PM
I went to the site and slimed myself and looked. The 2 attachments (waist bar and vac u lock d**** were recommended). He's surely got other things and how was he paying for all this??
I think that AR was telling "them" what they wanted to hear in the emails. How would you like to be her bf - thinking you were the only one and now finding out who all you shared that "space" with. I'm assuming she was on some "wicked" birth control. I swear, he over used that word so much (wicked) that I never want to hear it again.
Holy cow, and how your "stuff" was stolen by your GF and used by her dad to frame you for murder? So far I'm only seeing the BF as an unknowing poor schmuck in the entire sick episode. That could really mess a guy up for life.
Of course we could find out later the BF is involved up to his neck in this the way the case is going.
wicket
07-03-2008, 08:50 PM
Let us hope that Brooke is the impetus for many changes in VT and elsewhere. This should open many eyes even eyes that refuse to see.
MJ's wife had to know something was going on - women know these things, right? She was either afraid of him or turned a blind eye. Hate to say it but he doesn't look very bright but then - looks are deceiving.
I hope VT sticks to turning over every rock, boulder, computer, and follows the trail to clean up the filth in and around that house and or other houses that are involved. :mad:
My question: when Gagnon called Texas to have his landlord dump his safe with pornographic material he evidently compiled -have they found the material? And will the landlord be charged since he realized what was in the safe and still tossed it out?
DeltaDawn
07-03-2008, 08:50 PM
I am just horrified at how this is unfolding. Have been watching, listening ..but not posting as I had a new grandchild on the way.. And he is beautiful just born on the July 1st. I think that this is going to unfold into even larger areas..how did these perverts exist for so long and only get their wrists slapped and then early parole. We need to stop this behavior now.. it is obvious generations are involved here..and for not this horrible crime against Brooke..gone on forever. When will we learn that this type of pedophile can not and will not be rehabilitated? There should be a national bill after this..not state by state but national..once a pedo always a pedo...lock them in an asylum and be done..or fry them..but don't release them.
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 08:51 PM
MissVT was the local who was posting that her source was a friend of Brooke's mother, and that at the vigil the topic of discussion was how MJ and his father had repeatedly raped his sister starting at a young age....Oh My Lord.
Regarding the devices that MJ purportedly ordered, it has to be OK to mention that the devices were for penetration of either sex and that the waist bar was a device used to prevent any movement of the person who was strapped into it....got what I am saying? Just the idea that this was used on a child has made me sick to my stomach all evening....the idea of it being used on an adult is mind boggling enough.
Those who were asking about "snuff"-it is worth mentioning that it has always been an urban legend that it existed for sale...probably since the days of 8mm films. I myself didn't even believe in it's existence with the advent of so much available porn on the internet....not until the Groene case in Idaho. And in this case I think the goal of the whole operation was a snuff film...God help that poor girl. I want to be very, very wrong.
....but I'm sad to say I'm afraid your are not wrong...
I think this was exactly his motive and it might explain how he paid for a lot of things...large nice home, 2007 chevy pick-up, 2nd home nextdoor, and $1000.00 worth of torture devices... IMO:furious:
jep0216
07-03-2008, 08:51 PM
Nancy Grace just said that she assumes that there would be immunity for the girl (AR) if she testifies. And the lawyer she was questioning agreed it was likely. RIDICULOUS! I understand she was likely brainwashed, but give me a break!
believe09
07-03-2008, 08:51 PM
Let us hope that Brooke is the impetus for many changes in VT and elsewhere. This should open many eyes even eyes that refuse to see.
MJ's wife had to know something was going on - women know these things, right? She was either afraid of him or turned a blind eye. Hate to say it but he doesn't look very bright but then - looks are deceiving.
I hope VT sticks to turning over every rock, boulder, computer, and follows the trail to clean up the filth in and around that house and or other houses that are involved. :mad:
My question: when Gagnon called Texas to have his landlord dump his safe with pornographic material he evidently compiled -have they found the material? And will the landlord be charged since he realized what was in the safe and still tossed it out?
Man I wish oh wish I was in TX-we are talking about a safe here....it can be found. It is buried or in a pond or in a warehouse-not in a dumpster.
philamena
07-03-2008, 08:52 PM
Just watched the youtube video that showed his house. It's huge. How did they afford that??
Yep, it's huge. I'm guessing that house has be worth at least 300,000.00
The pos must have made lots of money with the sex ring.:furious::furious::furious:
SailorMoon
07-03-2008, 08:54 PM
But if they were talking in code and if they knew who each other was (AR knows its dad a/k/a MJ) then why leave the cyber and paper trail for pete's sakes???? Why not just talk to each other??
I still believe the two of them were talking in code...so as to not be found out or connected in some way.
DEPUTYDAWG
07-03-2008, 08:55 PM
There is more we don't know. On page 1, item 4 of the complaint the agent says he only included enough information to secure a criminal complaint.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/assets/pdf/BT11210673.PDF
That is common in complaint affidavits - almost always boilerplate language. It is true that the agents will keep their information limited to what is most important to give to the judge for the complaint, and not give additional info. Rightly so.
KR2tonenow
07-03-2008, 08:56 PM
This thread is getting long.
angelwngs
07-03-2008, 08:57 PM
Man I wish oh wish I was in TX-we are talking about a safe here....it can be found. It is buried or in a pond or in a warehouse-not in a dumpster.
The way internet passwords were handed out, I wonder if the truth was that the combination to the safe was given to the landlord and he disposed of the laptop separately from disposal of the safe...
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 08:57 PM
I tried to figure how to post it, so just copied it to a tiny here
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wsk8qt&s=3Just so you know...I wasn't woohooing this horrible thing he purchased. I reread that comment I made and wanted to clarify it. It was because you saved it before it faded to black, so to speak. You are always on the job.
It is the one I figured tho which is even worse. It would inflict severe damage while keeping her completely restrained and was one of the cheaper ones to be able to do so. I would like it to be used on him from now until the day they inject him so the only relief he gets from dying is to stop the pain of torture. He is deserving.
I am going to be sick now.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 09:01 PM
But if they were talking in code and if they knew who each other was (AR knows its dad a/k/a MJ) then why leave the cyber and paper trail for pete's sakes???? Why not just talk to each other??AR did not know it was MJ behind ANY of the names on the computer. She could freely talk about those "men" to MJ because they were all in "Breck" tho. No reason for code language.
KR2tonenow
07-03-2008, 09:02 PM
Let's not forget that his other need for the machine means his p**** is very very small.
:clap::clap::clap:
DeltaDawn
07-03-2008, 09:02 PM
Yep, it's huge. I'm guessing that house has be worth at least 300,000.00
The pos must have made lots of money with the sex ring.:furious::furious::furious:
Exactly my thoughts also..making lots of money and enjoying this heinous activity at the same time.....I want to first cut off their balls, no painkillers given, then hang them from the highest tree in that own. How dare they do this for generations..how dare they hurt innocent people!!!
All sex crime perps should be castrated..no counseling it does no good..this isn't something you can think or talk someone out of...just cut off their balls..and still keep them in jail so they don't influence the next generation.
believe09
07-03-2008, 09:03 PM
Just so you know...I wasn't woohooing this horrible thing he purchased. I reread that comment I made and wanted to clarify it. It was because you saved it before it faded to black, so to speak. You are always on the job.
It is the one I figured tho which is even worse. It would inflict severe damage while keeping her completely restrained and was one of the cheaper ones to be able to do so. I would like it to be used on him from now until the day they inject him so the only relief he gets from dying is to stop the pain of torture. He is deserving.
I am going to be sick now.
We knew you were not cheering about the device, SS and you absolutely got it right that this was going to do some damage if it was in fact used on poor Brooke-and if it was used on her, then the damage was completely intentional of course and there was absolutely no plan to let her live.
So what is the payout for any video of this and who has MJ's hard drive? Do you think whatever the score was happened to be worth the DP or life without parole in a federal prison?
Getting back to a time line, they had about how many days to disappear the hard drive before the feds started catching up with them???
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 09:03 PM
You are right, K! Please continue here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66913
SuziQ
07-03-2008, 09:04 PM
More on Judge Davenport (released MJ early) and Judge Cashman:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,181875,00.html
(snip)
It is getting worse up in Vermont, as some in the green mountain state have launched a counter attack to defend Judge Edward Cashman (javascript:siteSearch('Judge Edward Cashman');), who sentenced 34-year-old man Mark Hulett (javascript:siteSearch('Mark Hulett');) to 60 days in prison for raping a six-year old girl over a four year period. Hulett is set to get out March 4th.
And now we learn that Hulett's best friend is also accused of abusing the little girl. 33-year old Derek Kimball has been charged with sexual assault. No trial date has been set.
Not only did Hulett rape the girl himself, but he may have set up another man to do the same thing. And Hulett gets 60 days.
Judge Cashman should have been gone last week, but so far no Vermont official has moved against him. And his boss, Superior Court Judge Amy Davenport, who could transfer him to civil court has refused to do.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 09:12 PM
I answered your post on the new thread, Believe. hint...hint...
RR0004
07-03-2008, 09:15 PM
Where did it say Ash? Someone quoted earlier it was on page 10 of the affidavit. The only copy I have is the blacked out copy, so was it in the original or did I just miss it?
page 9...in the middle of the page.
RR0004
07-03-2008, 09:18 PM
As a separate comment, I want to say I think that AR believes Chevy is Gagnon, not MJ whom we know it is....jmo.
i was wondering about that after i just went back and re-read more.
SeriouslySearching
07-03-2008, 09:19 PM
Please continue here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66913
We already moved the discussion. Come join us while we get someone to close this thread. :)
RR0004
07-03-2008, 09:25 PM
But if they were talking in code and if they knew who each other was (AR knows its dad a/k/a MJ) then why leave the cyber and paper trail for pete's sakes???? Why not just talk to each other??
I guess they honestly believed it would never come back and stick to them. Or maybe they thought they would have enough time to get rid of it? Wasn't it you (oops I think it was SS) who thought because he'd been there before he knew about "due process"? Except...it was a work computer. And like you, I keep thinking how could they not...they were planning a murder!!
close_enough
07-03-2008, 09:32 PM
thanks for the "investigation timeline", TG.....
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS01/80702039
poor child:(
RR0004
07-03-2008, 09:37 PM
Good to know!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/03/missing.vermont.girl/index.html
Asked Thursday if a ring of child abusers is at large, Anderson said he did "not believe there was a continuing danger to the public."
Vermont Attorney General William H. Sorrell added, "There's nothing from this investigation that's been turned up, nor otherwise are federal and state authorities aware of any ongoing efforts to recruit young girls or boys here in Vermont to have sex with adults."
Dante7
07-03-2008, 09:40 PM
Hi DS:blowkiss:--thanks for all the info posted by you-
What do you think about snuff...hate to even raise it :mad:
Possible, but, if so, if you mean a murder filmed for later distribution, it would be the first confirmed case of this happening.
Murders filmed for personal viewing technically don't qualify as "snuff"
A technicality, I know, but an important one.
Dante7
07-03-2008, 09:42 PM
IMO, if AR actually wrote these emails herself, she may have been writing what she thought MJ ánd aliases wanted to hear--to please him--with the 'dirty and tough talk
I'd wondered that as well. How much of this was her going along with MJ out of fear and/or love? Seems plausible to me.
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