Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #8

[christine2448]

Please continue discussions here.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found at the very bottom of the page.

[SeriouslySearching]

If AR is the step-daughter of MJ...refresh my memory as to her bio father and where is he now? Why isn't he screaming about all this abuse against his daughter?

[SuziQ]

You have to wonder, if the BF was a participant then where was AR? According to AR, her and the BF left the house and were not even there. I hate to say it, but it's possible AR was present during the crime.

[Amster]

If AR is the step-daughter of MJ...refresh my memory as to her bio father and where is he now? Why isn't he screaming about all this abuse against his daughter?

I don't know where he is.....last name is Rice, IIRC.

Do Denise and the perv have a child together?

[Amster]

You have to wonder, if the BF was a participant then where was AR? According to AR, her and the BF left the house and were not even there. I hate to say it, but it's possible AR was present during the crime.

I think so, too.

[evelyn24]

If this was planned for a month, then maybe MJ got the boyfriend's semen from another time, like when he was filming AR and the boyfriend having sex.
The link on the last thread said the LE are accusing MJ of placing the sneaker, and the handkerchief with the semen on it in the opposite direction from where Brooke was found to mislead police. Obviously, LE doesn't think AR's bf is involved if that's the case. Maybe he particpated in the rape, but then left after that with AR?

[dark_shadows]

When is Kevin Grosenheiden going to be extradited here to Vermont?


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[SeriouslySearching]

I hope LE is right in their assumption.

[SeriouslySearching]

When is Kevin Grosenheiden going to be extradited here to Vermont?


Respectfully,
dark_shadowsAs soon as they find all the evidence in TX would be my guess, Dark. The investigation is still ongoing there.

[believe09]

If this was planned for a month, then maybe MJ got the boyfriend's semen from another time, like when he was filming AR and the boyfriend having sex.
The link on the last thread said the LE are accusing MJ of placing the sneaker and the handkerchief with the semen on it in the opposite direction from where Brooke was found to mislead police. Obviously, LE doesn't think AR's bf is involved if that's the case.

Oh yes-i would think that there is a whole lot of work to do before they can place AR's boyfriend at the scene. It is far more likely he is being framed. Victimized and framed-what a bonus!!!

They had better check MJ and Gagnon's cells carefully for cynanide tablets or put them on a suicide watch-I have to believe they planned some type of contingency for if they were caught....

[nanandjim]

You have to wonder, if the BF was a participant then where was AR? According to AR, her and the BF left the house and were not even there. I hate to say it, but it's possible AR was present during the crime.
It wouldn't surprise me if AR and her boyfriend were ordered to dig the grave. I think that AR and/or boyfriend will fill in a lot of the pieces. AR, IMO, was an active participant. Her boyfriend was somehow indoctrinated into this sick club. He will need counseling, too. I wonder what his parents are thinking about all of this.

Good old Denise and her sister...and the grandmother...Where is the grandfather? I wonder what the heck happened in that family to make these woman this way??

[angelwngs]

You have to wonder, if the BF was a participant then where was AR? According to AR, her and the BF left the house and were not even there. I hate to say it, but it's possible AR was present during the crime.

If there is a video of AR and her boyfriend, you also have to wonder if this POS MJ or someone secretly set up cameras to video tape everything upstairs with Brooke as well....

[dark_shadows]

As soon as they find all the evidence in TX would be my guess, Dark. The investigation is still ongoing there.
My dearest SS,:blowkiss:
Thank-you very much.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[believe09]

If there is a video of AR and her boyfriend, you also have to wonder if this POS MJ or someone secretly set up cameras to video tape everything upstairs with Brooke as well....

bingo....IMO.

[CarpeDiem]

You have to wonder, if the BF was a participant then where was AR? According to AR, her and the BF left the house and were not even there. I hate to say it, but it's possible AR was present during the crime.

It's possible but I doubt it. I doubt any greater involvement by the boyfriend too. I think MJ told AR to save that hanky. I also think AR videotaped the two of them having sex previously. If the boyfriend knew, he didn't know his girlfriends step-father wanted/ordered it and was sharing it for his own perverted and criminal pleasure.

It took LE less than 24 hours to get AR to start telling the truth. I think if she knew more or was present at Brooke's murder or the clean-up, it wouldn't have taken a week to find Brooke's body.

[dark_shadows]

Is it safe to assume that A.R. and the boyfriend never left the home like A.R. claimed?

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[Carrington]

I'm betting the BF name and personal information about him will make it's way to the Net shortly. To many teens will know who AR's boyfriend is.

[christine2448]

Did y'all get these links somewhere?

Videos, and pressor I think, can't hear at work!

Federal prosecutors: Tragic day for Vermont

http://www.necn.com/category/32/12462

Uncle of Brooke Bennett charged with her kidnapping (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Uncle-of-Brooke-Bennett-charged-with-her-kidnapping-/1215101304.html)

http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Uncle-of-Brooke-Bennett-charged-with-her-kidnapping-/1215101304.html

[concernedperson]

Is it safe to assume that A.R. and the boyfriend never left the home like A.R. claimed?

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I am thinking that a possibility.

[christine2448]

Part 1 of the news conference (http://www.necn.com/category/32/12462)
Part 2 of the news conference (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Feds-Brooke-Bennetts-uncle-could-face-death-if-convicted-/1215095241.html)
Part 3 of the news conference (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Bennett-uncle-held-on-bail-federal-arrest-warrant-/1215096362.html)

[angelwngs]

Who identified the hanky as Brooke's??? How reliable is that information? It could have been AR's hanky... and MJ just told AR to say it was Brooke's or this could have only been confirmed by MJ, which means less than nothing.

If it was Brooke's hanky and it was saved from a previous visit and set up to use w/ the boyfriend's DNA this AH is more diabolically warped than I thought...

[christine2448]

If there is a video of AR and her boyfriend, you also have to wonder if this POS MJ or someone secretly set up cameras to video tape everything upstairs with Brooke as well....

Oh boy...didn't even think of this.

[concernedperson]

Who identified the hanky as Brooke's??? How reliable is that information? It could have been AR's hanky... and MJ just told AR to say it was Brooke's or this could have only been confirmed by MJ, which means less than nothing.

If it was Brooke's hanky and it was saved from a previous visit and set up to use w/ the boyfriend's DNA this AH is more diabolically warped than I thought...

Wasn't it posted that DNA of Brooke's and AR's BF were found on the hanky? I thought I read that earlier this morning.

[angelwngs]

I am wondering if maybe MJ was making money for the "family" selling sex tapes and other child porn using the internet or hardcopy... Surely the VSP and Feds would have found FedEx /UPS or internet records by now...wouldn't they?

[angelwngs]

Wasn't it posted that DNA of Brooke's and AR's BF were found on the hanky? I thought I read that earlier this morning.

Yep, I think both DNA's were found. My question was who owned the hanky to begin with. If it was AR's or the boyfriends or Brooke's it makes a difference...

[Amster]

dang....the media have the new affidavit.....why won't they release it?

[SuziQ]

If there is a video of AR and her boyfriend, you also have to wonder if this POS MJ or someone secretly set up cameras to video tape everything upstairs with Brooke as well....

Ugh, you are probably correct.

[angelwngs]

I'm betting the BF name and personal information about him will make it's way to the Net shortly. To many teens will know who AR's boyfriend is.

I bet you are right. It's probably only a matter of time...

[Carrington]

Wouldn't surprise me to find out AR's father, Rice is in prison.

[SeriouslySearching]

If there is a video of AR and her boyfriend, you also have to wonder if this POS MJ or someone secretly set up cameras to video tape everything upstairs with Brooke as well....I mentioned this awhile back. The premeditation into Brooke's murder could very well include a fantasy scenario for both MJ and RG and they could have taped it or sent it out live over the internet. People do make snuff films as much as we would like to believe they don't. If it was live, I don't know how LE would obtain proof of it.

[jyram]

Yep, I think both DNA's were found. My question was who owned the hanky to begin with. If it was AR's or the boyfriends or Brooke's it makes a difference...

I don't know a whole lot of preteens/teenagers who carry hankies around... it just seems odd... like it was premeditated/planted... IMO.

[cheko1]

Is it safe to assume that A.R. and the boyfriend never left the home like A.R. claimed?

Respectfully,
dark_shadows


Dark Shadows,

I don't think either of them left the house.

AR seems to be in this big time. She knew what was going to be doing & agreed to help. I think more arrests will be happening soon.

Thank You for all of your info!!!! :blowkiss:

[dark_shadows]

Was A.R.'S boyfriend 16-years-old?


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

Dark Shadows,

I don't think either of them left the house.

AR seems to be in this big time. She knew what was going to be doing & agreed to help. I think more arrests will be happening soon.

Thank You for all of your info!!!! :blowkiss:
My very dearest Cheko,:blowkiss:
Thank-you very much.

Cyber Hugs to you.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[cheko1]

I don't know a whole lot of preteens/teenagers who carry hankies around... it just seems odd... like it was premeditated/planted... IMO.


Probably was a kleenex

[SuziQ]

Christine, thanks for the link to the presser. I've been looking all over for it. Now if we could just find the lastest affidavit....

[SeriouslySearching]

I am wondering if maybe MJ was making money for the "family" selling sex tapes and other child porn using the internet or hardcopy... Surely the VSP and Feds would have found FedEx /UPS or internet records by now...wouldn't they?Not if they were doing it in TX and the evidence is conveniently gone. Also, they could have other people doing the distribution who are smarter than MJ and RG about leaving a trail. I would love to see their bank statements etc. and know if they were living within those means. I am sure that LE is checking all of that out, but they mentioned the Russian connection of child porn to RG. Child porn is BIG business and I don't see them just trading it without getting compensation for it.

[pjop]

Was A.R.'S boyfriend 16-years-old?


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I think there is the assumption that he is b/c, according to AR, she left with him when MJ told her to. We are assuming he is 16 and drove away but I don't think any of us knows, for certain.

[jyram]

Probably was a kleenex

good point, I was taking it very literally.

[Carrington]

It would be helpful to know when Ray Gagnon arrived on the scene.
The only information I have seen, stated over the weekend ????????

[swanniee11]

This just gets deeper and deeper. I have to say nothing is shocking in this case anymore. AR has lied before and maybe she's trying to protect her bf as well who knows, she is a confused scared child and she should be, she has nowhere to turn. (lets not forget she was 9 when this started)I'm sure they're looking at bf's computer as well. This will all come out.

[SeriouslySearching]

Probably was a kleenex(Shrugs shoulders) That is what I said, too!

[angelwngs]

I don't know a whole lot of preteens/teenagers who carry hankies around... it just seems odd... like it was premeditated/planted... IMO.

I was thinking of it as more of a head wrap hankie... a 'DooRag'...(sp?) You know the colored kind with black spots on it... and young people often have these... (even old people... I have about 10 of them I use as headbands to work in my flower garden...the young kids who hang out at our pool tease me for wearing a 'Doo Rag'... )

[CarpeDiem]

I don't know a whole lot of preteens/teenagers who carry hankies around... it just seems odd... like it was premeditated/planted... IMO.

I definitely think it was planted but the hankie word is probably wrong. I'm thinking it was most likely a bandana. You see teens often carry those around, especially boys. But both will also use them on their head.

[CarpeDiem]

I was thinking of it as more of a head wrap hankie... a 'DooRag'...(sp?) You know the colored kind with black spots on it... and young people often have these... (even old people... I have about 10 of them I use as headbands to work in my flower garden...the young kids who hang out at our pool tease me for wearing a 'Doo Rag'... )

The word you are looking for is 'bandana', and I agree. :blowkiss:

[jyram]

Is the affidavit with the current charges released? (I'm really new at this, if my vocabulary isn't being used correctly, feel free to correct me...)

[angelwngs]

Not if they were doing it in TX and the evidence is conveniently gone. Also, they could have other people doing the distribution who are smarter than MJ and RG about leaving a trail. I would love to see their bank statements etc. and know if they were living within those means. I am sure that LE is checking all of that out, but they mentioned the Russian connection of child porn to RG. Child porn is BIG business and I don't see them just trading it without getting compensation for it.

GREAT Points, SS! :clap:

[CarpeDiem]

Was A.R.'S boyfriend 16-years-old?


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

It is a presumption that he is atleast 16, as it was said he was driving. I don't think any official word has been given on his age, other than he is a minor.

[SuziQ]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS/23639390

(snip)
E-mails quoted in an affidavit released Thursday accuse Jacques of coercing or enlisting the second girl to participate, including by tying Bennett down if that became necessary.

The girl wrote, "yes. I will help," one e-mail said.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, could be a bandana.

[dark_shadows]

I think there is the assumption that he is b/c, according to AR, she left with him when MJ told her to. We are assuming he is 16 and drove away but I don't think any of us knows, for certain.
Thank-you Pjop, I am wondering whose vehicle he used an if he had a junior operators licence. Anyone age 16 here has a junior operators licence and there are restictions.


respectfully,
dark_shadows

[jyram]

The word you are looking for is 'bandana', and I agree. :blowkiss:
That makes a lot more sense... I kept imagining what my dad kept in his suit coat pocket with the monogram on it for church on Sundays and would use to blow his nose once in a while.

[SailorMoon]

Just what I was thinking as well. Who knows what these sick freaks have done....I'll bet we're just at the tip of the iceberg on this one. And as I've said in so many cases....not that it gives much comfort...but Brooke's death definitely put these 2 sick freaks behind bars for good. I have to find something positive out of this.

I don't know a whole lot of preteens/teenagers who carry hankies around... it just seems odd... like it was premeditated/planted... IMO.

[SuziQ]

Did you all read post 49?

[Spazkat9696]

Dark Shadows,

I don't think either of them left the house.

AR seems to be in this big time. She knew what was going to be doing & agreed to help. I think more arrests will be happening soon.

Thank You for all of your info!!!! :blowkiss:


I agree, and it's so upsetting to think she may have been forced to have a bigger part in this than she has already admitted.

[angelwngs]

The word you are looking for is 'bandana', and I agree. :blowkiss:

:blushing: :silenced: :blushing: ... Just ask me if I feel like an Idiot right now... LOL

Yes, the word my menopausal brain farted memory banks was groaping for was Bandana! Thanks you CD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This age 50+ or - one or two is driving me nuts... I keep stopping in mid sentence and have no idea what word I am trying to spit out....Geese... Thank you CD for picking up my slack!)

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think we can make that presumption tho. These men were into pre-pubescent sex. I think a 16yo male might not fit into their category, but maybe. I would think he would be younger with the body less of a man and more boylike. They were filming this not only for themselves, but to share among their peers, imo.

Then again, she is 14 now and we don't know how old she was when these were made. Maybe they wanted teenage sex flicks and he is 16. Wouldn't that make it illegal then? What are the statutes in VT on teen sex?

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, could be a bandana.

I may have heard wrong but I thought they said that the "hankie" or whatever had Brooke's blood and other bodily fluids on it and the DNA doesn't match MJ?

But I could have misunderstood her.

What if the hankie has semen on it?

imoo

[angelwngs]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS/23639390

(snip)
E-mails quoted in an affidavit released Thursday accuse Jacques of coercing or enlisting the second girl to participate, including by tying Bennett down if that became necessary.

The girl wrote, "yes. I will help," one e-mail said.

OMG :eek: I wonder if these were authentic emails with her ISP and not doctored by MJ to implicate her.

[cheko1]

This just gets deeper and deeper. I have to say nothing is shocking in this case anymore. AR has lied before and maybe she's trying to protect her bf as well who knows, she is a confused scared child and she should be, she has nowhere to turn. (lets not forget she was 9 when this started)I'm sure they're looking at bf's computer as well. This will all come out.

Yes she has lied & LE is well aware of it.......
I bet that girl is getting drilled big time by LE / as she should be.
Its not as though she is a willing witness, she is trying to hide info & cover up for MJ. I am certain the FBI has stated to her over & again your out of danger now AR / its ok / your safe & alive. Now tell the truth.....

If she is holding back info she can be in BIG trouble too. Yes she was gotten into this when she was 9 / now she is 5 yrs older & needs to tell the truth.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS/23639390

(snip)
E-mails quoted in an affidavit released Thursday accuse Jacques of coercing or enlisting the second girl to participate, including by tying Bennett down if that became necessary.

The girl wrote, "yes. I will help," one e-mail said.

He also is charged with planting evidence, including some of Bennett's clothing and a plastic bag containing semen, in Brookfield to make it appear someone else had abducted the girl.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS/23639390

I guess that answers our questions.

[SeriouslySearching]

OMG :eek: I wonder if these were authentic emails with her ISP and not doctored by MJ to implicate her.Since we know she actually did help in the abduction it would point to those being from her.

[Cornflower]

Has it been mentioned when exactly the sextape of AR and her boyfriend was made?

[Carrington]

Michael Desautels, the federal public defender representing Jacques, did not immediately return calls Thursday morning.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS/23639390

No big time lawyer involved yet......

[SeriouslySearching]

Has it been mentioned when exactly the sextape of AR and her boyfriend was made?No and I had just changed my post above to reflect that thought while you were posting. GMTA.

I posted: Then again, she is 14 now and we don't know how old she was when these were made. Maybe they wanted teenage sex flicks and he is 16. Wouldn't that make it illegal then? What are the statutes in VT on teen sex?

[SuziQ]

I wish we had the current affidavit to make sure the media is reporting correctly the accusation of enlisting AR's help , but did AR really respond she would help or was that MJ pretending to be AR?

[SuziQ]

Has it been mentioned when exactly the sextape of AR and her boyfriend was made?

I don't think it has.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish we had the current affidavit to make sure the media is reporting correctly the accusation of enlisting AR's help , but did AR really respond she would help or was that MJ pretending to be AR?AR has already admitted she agreed to help in the abduction, Suzi. It was in Gagnon's affidavit, wasn't it? (Sorry if I am mistaken...trying to get ready for work and think at the same time here. LOL)

[becca]

I wasn't going to follow this case but it has my attention due to the strange family dynamics and plain perverted things going on that "no one knew about". give me a break.... none are so blind as those that will not see. Where the heck was the mother in all this? worried about what her next dollar instead of her child? What the heck is wrong with these women? children are a gift from God , not a gift to give to an adult male.

[SuziQ]

AR has already admitted she agreed to help in the abduction, Suzi. It was in Gagnon's affidavit, wasn't it? (Sorry if I am mistaken...trying to get ready for work and think at the same time here. LOL)

As far as luring Brooke to the house I think. ITA, It wouldn't be a leap to suspect she agreed to help with other things as well though.

[SeriouslySearching]

Brooke's mother was still entertaining the step-father with frequent visits to VT. She is also 11 years older than he is which tells me why she looked the other way.

Denise (AR's mother) had a nice set up with the house, the land, and the money it appears. Seeing the photos of that POS MJ, she wasn't with him for his looks. She is the one who absolutely did know what was going on and did nothing.

[SeriouslySearching]

As far as luring Brooke to the house I think. ITA, It wouldn't be a leap to suspect she agreed to help with other things as well though.Oh, I see what you are getting at now. Right. No, it wouldn't be a stretch. However, I think part of the deal to lure Brooke was with the agreement she would tie her up if need be.

[missVT77]

I talked to a friend who works down there and was at the vigil. He says he heard about Mike Jaques (the uncle). That when he was a juvenile, before he could be charged, him and his father got busted for raping his sister. If you can find out who his father is maybe you can find evidence of this.

[missVT77]

I also heard about the uncle that he was fired from a job a while ago (like over 5 years ago, maybe 10) for embezlement. And that neither his job then nor his job now knew anything about his previous convictions.

[Taximom]

I also heard about the uncle that he was fired from a job a while ago (like over 5 years ago, maybe 10) for embezlement. And that neither his job then nor his job now knew anything about his previous convictions.

There's a "Stephen B. Jacques" listed as a possible relative of MJ on a free search site. (age 65 in Barre, VT)

[SeriouslySearching]

I talked to a friend who works down there and was at the vigil. He says he heard about Mike Jaques (the uncle). That when he was a juvenile, before he could be charged, him and his father got busted for raping his sister. If you can find out who his father is maybe you can find evidence of this.Thanks, MissVT! That is certainly news that we need to run down and check out!

[Beyond Belief]

I talked to a friend who works down there and was at the vigil. He says he heard about Mike Jaques (the uncle). That when he was a juvenile, before he could be charged, him and his father got busted for raping his sister. If you can find out who his father is maybe you can find evidence of this.
what state was in in before vt?

[concernedperson]

I talked to a friend who works down there and was at the vigil. He says he heard about Mike Jaques (the uncle). That when he was a juvenile, before he could be charged, him and his father got busted for raping his sister. If you can find out who his father is maybe you can find evidence of this.

Oh man, if true, it is a lifetime of abusing people and involves more than one generation.

[angelwngs]

I talked to a friend who works down there and was at the vigil. He says he heard about Mike Jaques (the uncle). That when he was a juvenile, before he could be charged, him and his father got busted for raping his sister. If you can find out who his father is maybe you can find evidence of this.

I was wondering if his own childhood background would not come into play here... From what I have seen, these perversions often go back several generations...

[Carrington]

I also heard about the uncle that he was fired from a job a while ago (like over 5 years ago, maybe 10) for embezlement. And that neither his job then nor his job now knew anything about his previous convictions.

Yes, we knew he had a Grand Larceny charge. But no details.
Thanks

[missVT77]

My friend is the one who is close with Brooke's mother. He said that her ex step-father in Texas (I am not good with names, sorry, the one who is in jail now) would send the kids really good gifts and send for them to come visit and come up to visit. And that she always thought it was a little odd, but never anything to be worried about.

[missVT77]

Just sharing what I know from the local gossip/rumor mill with you folks.

[evelyn24]

I also heard about the uncle that he was fired from a job a while ago (like over 5 years ago, maybe 10) for embezlement. And that neither his job then nor his job now knew anything about his previous convictions.

That must be were his Grand Lanceny charge come from on MJ's rap sheet.

[Busylady]

Stephen B. Jacques of Barre City Vt, dob 1/17/1943 died 9/13/1990 and was divorced at that time.

There's a "Stephen B. Jacques" listed as a possible relative of MJ on a free search site. (age 65 in Barre, VT)

[angelwngs]

My friend is the one who is close with Brooke's mother. He said that her ex step-father in Texas (I am not good with names, sorry, the one who is in jail now) would send the kids really good gifts and send for them to come visit and come up to visit. And that she always thought it was a little odd, but never anything to be worried about.

Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

[evelyn24]

Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

I think she is referring to Brooke's mom, Cassandra.
That is the one who has the ex in Texas.

[angelwngs]

Does anyone have access to census reports on Ancestry.com? We could verify children's names and city and state with dates they lived there for the father and son...

[missVT77]

> Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

My friend said that Bennett's mother thought it was a little odd/strange that her ex was still so involved with her and her kids lives.

[SuziQ]

MissVT, that's horrible!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if this has any connection to his claim of raping and murdering a 12 yo girl in AZ?

[dark_shadows]

Brooke's mother was still entertaining the step-father with frequent visits to VT. She is also 11 years older than he is which tells me why she looked the other way.

Denise (AR's mother) had a nice set up with the house, the land, and the money it appears. Seeing the photos of that POS MJ, she wasn't with him for his looks. She is the one who absolutely did know what was going on and did nothing.
Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
They were in a nice home as people can see from the photos of it.
Where did the money come from for that home?
Bank records are probably being checked. Was there money made in setting up a website with "pay per view" of the videos made of A.R. with her boyfriend and ones of A.R. with anyone else?
I just have a hard time believing that Jacques and Denise lived in a home like that. I expected alot less of the home prior to seeing it on TV.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[angelwngs]

> Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

My friend said that Bennett's mother thought it was a little odd/strange that her ex was still so involved with her and her kids lives.

Thank you missVT for explaining. That explains a lot, IMO! Thanks for all of the new information as well. :clap:

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh man, if true, it is a lifetime of abusing people and involves more than one generation.


IIRC he told his first rape victim (that we know of for now) that he had killed a 12 year old girl in Arizona that was going to tell on him.

Do we know if he ever lived, worked or whatever in Arizona?

imoo

[Busylady]

Problem is most census records stop the year of 1930.

Does anyone have access to census reports on Ancestry.com? We could verify children's names and city and state with dates they lived there for the father and son...

[dark_shadows]

> Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

My friend said that Bennett's mother thought it was a little odd/strange that her ex was still so involved with her and her kids lives.
Dear MissVT,:blowkiss:
If she thought it was strange, why did she allow her daughter around him and to stay with him?


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[angelwngs]

Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
They were in a nice home as people can see from the photos of it.
Where did the money come from for that home?
Bank records are probably being checked. Was there money made in setting up a website with "pay per view" of the videos made of A.R. with her boyfriend and ones of A.R. with anyone else?
I just have a hard time believing that Jacques and Denise lived in a home like that. I expected alot less of the home prior to seeing it on TV.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

ITA, DS! That is where my mind is going as well! There is something more going on in Vermont & Texas than just these two guys satisfying their sicknesses, IMO.

[Carrington]

> Please explain...and that who thought it was odd? You said 'she'... AR's mother?

My friend said that Bennett's mother thought it was a little odd/strange that her ex was still so involved with her and her kids lives.

So, Cassandra was NOT all that clueless about her ex/not official ex (?)
Ray A Gagnon. :mad:

[angelwngs]

Problem is most census records stop the year of 1930.

I thought that up to the 60's were just released... Every 30 years...due to projected lifespan or something or other about being able to trace people using census...???... I think Ancestry.com just emailed me something about this...but I no longer have an account with them...

[TxJillyBean]

I have been lurking since this all began and I just have to say....This is one of the sickest things I have ever heard about. My heart just sank yesterday when the press conf was postponed and then announced that they had found this beautiful young girl. My daughter is 13 and if anything like this ever happened I would be tearing the blasted walls down where they are holding these two POS's to get my hands on them. I hope they FRY for this!!!!! I am so mad about this I can't even think straight.

[Cornflower]

No and I had just changed my post above to reflect that thought while you were posting. GMTA.

I posted: Then again, she is 14 now and we don't know how old she was when these were made. Maybe they wanted teenage sex flicks and he is 16. Wouldn't that make it illegal then? What are the statutes in VT on teen sex?

I also thought about MJ planting evidence against boyfriend - could it be that he made the tape to have more on AR´s boyfriend to keep him for not telling? That he already then had decided to kill Brooke?

[missVT77]

Well I really have no idea, I don't even know her or the details situation and so I can't speak for her. But I do think there could be many legitimate reasons for a person to do this and it happens in cases where there is no abuse.

Dear MissVT,:blowkiss:
If she thought it was strange, why did she allow her daughter around him and to stay with him?


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

ITA, DS! That is where my mind is going as well! There is something more going on in Vermont & Texas than just these two guys satisfying their sicknesses, IMO.
My dearest Angelwngs,:blowkiss:
Thank-you so much. I have wanted to say that since I saw the house on TV. I would like to know what the house and parcel are appraised at.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[Beyond Belief]

The Jacques family has roots as far back as the 1600's in Vt.

[murdershewrote]

I saw the photo of the house last night too...it looks very large and pretty nice, more than I could afford. So how does RSO, who's been in prison for quite a few years, afford to keep that house?

Wendy Murphy was on Fox last night and she was going bonkers (rightly so) over Vermont's pride in their programs to "rehabilitate/cure" sexual offenders. Apparently these programs are very well known and SO's come from all over to get into these Vermont "programs" which of course we all know don't work. She was calling for all the good people of VT to revolt and call their senators and representatives to do something in light of what is coming out in this case.

[LanieCoz]

Not sure if I'm allowed to post it, but I believe I found MJ's current place of employment or previous. .... I found a profile for him on peekyou.com and DAC Group is listed as his work.

[SeriouslySearching]

IIRC he told his first rape victim (that we know of for now) that he had killed a 12 year old girl in Arizona that was going to tell on him.

Do we know if he ever lived, worked or whatever in Arizona?

imooI posted this one minute before you did. LOL

I wonder if this has any connection to his claim of raping and murdering a 12 yo girl in AZ?

[calidreamin]

My dearest Angelwngs,:blowkiss:
Thank-you so much. I have wanted to say that since I saw the house on TV. I would like to know what the house and parcel are appraised at.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I thought the same thing when I saw that house and land on tv! How in the world do they afford that?

[missVT77]

There is speculation around here too that there was some kind of underage prostitution ring, because there really doesn't seem to be any way Jacques could afford that nice of a house. I believe he is/was a shift supervisor, which is not a job where you have a $250k house.

However houses are pretty cheap down there in the boonies. Here is a $220k house for sale in Randolph: http://www.beangroup.com/real_estate/listings/Homes/VT/Randolph/651065

This one is cool-looking and it is only $125k http://www.beangroup.com/real_estate/listings/Homes/VT/Randolph/649205

[Amster]

I'm getting confused again....

Isn't it Denise that is older than her husband?

Isn't the house they keep showing in the media Denise and MJs house?

:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Not sure if I'm allowed to post it, but I believe I found MJ's current place of employment or previous. .... I found a profile for him on peekyou.com and DAC Group is listed as his work.Hi, Lanie~ Dark found his current employer for us: Thermaldynamics (IIRC). Please post away!!

Wow! What is Peekyou.com and should I look?! Great finds!

[Busylady]

I have a membership and there are no census older than 1930. The email you might be referring to is the one that discussed the myth that the 1960's census information had been destroyed. Here is a portion of the email about when they will be released.

The original 1960 U.S. Census documents were recorded on microfilm, and all that microfilm is still in good condition, locked up at the National Archives. In compliance with U.S. laws, the complete 1960 U.S. Census documents on microfilm will be released to the public in the year 2032, 72 years after the original enumeration.

I thought that up to the 60's were just released... Every 30 years...due to projected lifespan or something or other about being able to trace people using census...???... I think Ancestry.com just emailed me something about this...but I no longer have an account with them...

[MissHolmes]

I thought that up to the 60's were just released... Every 30 years...due to projected lifespan or something or other about being able to trace people using census...???... I think Ancestry.com just emailed me something about this...but I no longer have an account with them...

Census Schedules Available
to the Public
Individual records from the Federal pop-
ulation censuses are confidential for 72
years, by law (Title 44, U.S. Code)

[Carrington]

He (MJ) was a Project Manager at Thermal Dynamics.

[missVT77]

Does someone have a link to the house so I can see it? I haven't seen it personally. I am pretty experienced with real estate in this area.

[SeriouslySearching]

PeekYou is a people search engine that indexes people and their links on the web. The name "PeekYou" is explained as a contraction of People and Seek.[1] Founded in April 2006 by Michael Hussey (the founder of RateMyTeachers and RateMyProfessors), PeekYou claims to have indexed over 130 million people[2], mostly in the US and Canada. The search results are built from publicly available URLs, including MySpace profiles, Friendster, LinkedIn, Wikipedia, blogs, homepages, and news sources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeekYou

[CarpeDiem]

Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
They were in a nice home as people can see from the photos of it.
Where did the money come from for that home?
Bank records are probably being checked. Was there money made in setting up a website with "pay per view" of the videos made of A.R. with her boyfriend and ones of A.R. with anyone else?
I just have a hard time believing that Jacques and Denise lived in a home like that. I expected alot less of the home prior to seeing it on TV.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

It's possible he could make enough for where he was living to afford that home, but I think they had two incomes coming in, AR's Mom was working too. If he lucked out and got into sales, the bonuses alone would have given him some big checks. Here's where he was working:

http://www.thermadyne.com/thermaldynamics/

[Taximom]

"Thermadyne" is listed as MJ's employer (and laptop owner) in the Gagnon affidavit.

[SeriouslySearching]

A PeekYou profile helps other people find your websites, social-networking pages, photos or anything else about you online. You can also create a profile for friends or relatives to ensure that they may also be easily found online.

http://www.peekyou.com/faq/

So is this how people could keep track of his porn sites? I guess I don't understand why he would want people to be able to track him.

[Busylady]

No if I recall correctly Denise is around 38.

I'm getting confused again....

Isn't it Denise that is older than her husband?

Isn't the house they keep showing in the media Denise and MJs house?

:confused:

[angelwngs]

My dearest Angelwngs,:blowkiss:
Thank-you so much. I have wanted to say that since I saw the house on TV. I would like to know what the house and parcel are appraised at.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Dear DS,
I noticed in front of MJ's home the very high grass which looked to be fescue that was so tall it was seeding out. Two things came to mind... My father always said that people whose homes are hidden from clear sight all too often have something to hide...and another thought was that if has a nice home and a rental home right nextdoor, he has obviously been making money hand over fist since his incarceration and his 'successful exit' from the rehabilitation program. Where did that money come from? Did he pay cash downpayments for the homes or check? Were the recorded downpayments and deposits under $10,000.00 to hide it from IRS?

If someone is doing something illegal and they need to invest their "earnings", they might not be too concerned about neatly cutting the grass to encourage Great Curb Appeal.

[Amster]

My friend is the one who is close with Brooke's mother. He said that her ex step-father in Texas (I am not good with names, sorry, the one who is in jail now) would send the kids really good gifts and send for them to come visit and come up to visit. And that she always thought it was a little odd, but never anything to be worried about.

Seems Brookes mom never worried about anything....especially, her youngest child. Does your friend know who "Tim" is and if he's still living with Cassandra?

[LanieCoz]

Sorry in advance if im re-posting info. guys! Just kinda seeing what I can come up with... I found for a possible relative of Jacques I found a Angelina Jacques, Mona L Jacques, & Brian Matthew Jacques. I wonder if one of the two females could be his sister... I would be interested in what she has to say about her POS brother.

[CarpeDiem]

"Thermadyne" is listed as MJ's employer (and laptop owner) in the Gagnon affidavit.

Yes, that is the corporate name, I believe he was based out of the subsidiary -Therbal Dynamics Corporation in Lebanon, NH.

[TisHerself]

AR has already admitted she agreed to help in the abduction, Suzi. It was in Gagnon's affidavit, wasn't it? (Sorry if I am mistaken...trying to get ready for work and think at the same time here. LOL)


I have been lurking but reading all the posts, my heart just breaks for Brooke how very very sad.
What I wanted to say was about AR, I am really not getting as to why they did leave Brooke at the convenience store and then go back and pick her up. She obviously was not meeting anyone so why were they leaving her there? It makes no sense. And why did he go into the convenience store with just Brooke, (he bought nothing for her) AR was also in the car so why just Brooke? Did he know that the video camera was in that store and would video tape them?
I don't believe they left her at the store and then went back and picked her up, JMHO she was told by the Uncle to go the other way when they left the store, ( video camera would see this) then got in his car.
Some others have mentioned that they think something happened the night before, I tend to agree with that.
I know that AR is a victim also and my heart goes out to her, but I do not hink she is telling the whole truth.

[swanniee11]

Well MJ's father passed away in 1990, AR said they've been living in that house approx 5 years and before that the house next to it. They own both properties. Maybe MJ inherited $ to build this new home? Just throwing it out there. IMO

[missVT77]

Here is a page where you can search all property transactions done in Orange County VT since 2001. Not sure it will be helpful in this case to determine home worth: http://miva.burlingtonfreepress.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?proptransform2.mv+yearstring=2008&county=Orange

[swanniee11]

Sorry in advance if im re-posting info. guys! Just kinda seeing what I can come up with... I found for a possible relative of Jacques I found a Angelina Jacques, Mona L Jacques, & Brian Matthew Jacques. I wonder if one of the two females could be his sister... I would be interested in what she has to say about her POS brother.


Or she could be married and not go by Jacques.

[Taximom]

Thanks, CarpeDiem. :blowkiss:

TisHerself, I keep thinking the only reason he took her (made her?) into the store was to make sure she was seen on camera going the other way when they left (for his alibi). That was mighty strange, wasn't it?

[KR2tonenow]

Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
They were in a nice home as people can see from the photos of it.
Where did the money come from for that home?
Bank records are probably being checked. Was there money made in setting up a website with "pay per view" of the videos made of A.R. with her boyfriend and ones of A.R. with anyone else?
I just have a hard time believing that Jacques and Denise lived in a home like that. I expected alot less of the home prior to seeing it on TV.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

I found it interesting as well. It was mentioned that Jacques owned alot of property around there as well.

I think this is where Federal comes in (along with kidnapping Brooke, et al). I gather the money comes from child pornography. Laundered money.

It was stated that Garnan rents a room, in a home in TX!

[SeriouslySearching]

I have been lurking but reading all the posts, my heart just breaks for Brooke how very very sad.
What I wanted to say was about AR, I am really not getting as to why they did leave Brooke at the convenience store and then go back and pick her up. She obviously was not meeting anyone so why were they leaving her there? It makes no sense. And why did he go into the convenience store with just Brooke, (he bought nothing for her) AR was also in the car so why just Brooke? Did he know that the video camera was in that store and would video tape them?
I don't believe they left her at the store and then went back and picked her up, JMHO she was told by the Uncle to go the other way when they left the store, ( video camera would see this) then got in his car.
Some others have mentioned that they think something happened the night before, I tend to agree with that.
I know that AR is a victim also and my heart goes out to her, but I do not hink she is telloing the whole truth.Because he was setting up her kidnapping and murder. He had been planning it since May according to LE reports. He had to devise a plan where the cameras saw him drop her off and he was leading police to believe she met someone on the internet (they faked posts about meeting a boy there) to explain her disappearance. They did leave her at the store and the cousin was instrumental in helping get her back to the house where he raped her...then he murdered her (but not sure where yet).

[Taximom]

There was something about the Jacque's moving to the current home from a home next to it.

[Beyond Belief]

Usually a counties property appraisors website will show you tax value.

[VTGirl81]

Still no sign of the latest affidavit yet? I think that will answer a lot of our questions.

[Amster]

Has anyone found the new affidavit, yet? Fox just did a report....

[Beyond Belief]

i keep thinking Jacques gave Brooke some money at the store.

[LanieCoz]

Or she could be married and not go by Jacques.

They have an AKA name underneath "Angelina Jacques" it says "Angelina Benoir" and her age is 39.

[Taximom]

Death Penalty possible:
http://www.wptz.com/news/16773664/detail.html
Authorities cannot even say yet whether the girl was murdered. But the federal charges against Jacques provide for the death penalty in kidnappings resulting in a child's death. (more at link)

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[TisHerself]

Thanks, CarpeDiem. :blowkiss:

TisHerself, I keep thinking the only reason he took her (made her?) into the store was to make sure she was seen on camera going the other way when they left (for his alibi). That was mighty strange, wasn't it?

Yep I agree it was for an alibi, and it is very strange, it makes no sense to me that they left her there and then went back and picked her up I just don't believe that. I believe he told her to go the other way, and my question why did she obey him?:waitasec:

[Taximom]

She might be married to Bruce E. Benoir (age 41), and go by "Angel".

[dark_shadows]

Well I really have no idea, I don't even know her or the details situation and so I can't speak for her. But I do think there could be many legitimate reasons for a person to do this and it happens in cases where there is no abuse.
Dearest MissVT,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for your post.
Please do not take this post as any disrespect, I am grateful to meet you here.
I can see no legitimate reason at all for anyone to allow there vulnerable child to be around someone who they feel that it is odd/strange to be around their child. The instinct of a mother to protect her child is powerful. Even in the animal world.
If I had a gut feeling about anyone in my childs live, you bet your ass that there is no way in hell that I would allow that person near my child.

Parental duty.....
Parents have the duty to ensure that thier children are safe in their custody, they teach them to be safe in a world where evil walks among us.
Brooke's father, Mr. Bennett showed that when he took away the MySpace that Brooke had. All of us are grateful for that.

"Stranger danger" something taught to children, but what about "family danger".

It is up to us as parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles to plant the seeds in the minds of our little loved ones. Our angels that we are to protect. If a parent or family member, or even a friend suspects something or knows something steps need to be taken to protect the child. Not to keep it hush because the family worries about their name or image. A child's life is more important than that.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[VTGirl81]

I found the new affidavit...sorry if this was already posted...

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

[TisHerself]

Because he was setting up her kidnapping and murder. He had been planning it since May according to LE reports. He had to devise a plan where the cameras saw him drop her off and he was leading police to believe she met someone on the internet (they faked posts about meeting a boy there) to explain her disappearance. They did leave her at the store and the cousin was instrumental in helping get her back to the house where he raped her...then he murdered her (but not sure where yet).


Why did they leave her at the store? she wasn't meeting anyone, so they just left her there to hang around or get home by herself?, it makes no sense

[murdershewrote]

Fox News website is reporting uncle could face DP for the federal kidnapping charges.

Maybe he had already threatened her the night before and she had to go with him to the store and go along with all of this charade...

[SuziQ]

Yep I agree it was for an alibi, and it is very strange, it makes no sense to me that they left her there and then went back and picked her up I just don't believe that. I believe he told her to go the other way, and my question why did she obey him?:waitasec:

I'm thinking she may have been asked to go buy donuts and Duncan Donuts and meet them at the car on the street away from cameras. There was that strange DD statement from AR in the affidavit.

[TisHerself]

I'm thinking she may have been asked to go buy donuts and Duncan Donuts and meet them at the car on the street away from cameras. There was that strange DD statement from AR in the affidavit.


OK that makes sense:)

[dark_shadows]

Hi, Lanie~ Dark found his current employer for us: Thermaldynamics (IIRC). Please post away!!

Wow! What is Peekyou.com and should I look?! Great finds!
Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for posting that.
I posted that days ago, I forgot to add that he was a salaried employee.
Wonder what the salaried employee makes.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Taximom]

Myspace for Bruce E. Benoir possibly related to Angelina Jacques (aka Benoir)
http://www.myspace.com/racingchefs32 (not much there)

[LanieCoz]

I found the new affidavit...sorry if this was already posted...

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

Is this link working for anyone??

[concernedperson]

Is this link working for anyone??

Nope.

[Taximom]

OK, that must be a relation. A 16 yr old Kariiii (friend of Bruce) has a private myspace (won't list it here) that says "We love you Brooke" :(

[murdershewrote]

From Fox News website:

The affidavit included information about sexually suggestive e-mails with two additional addresses, including one for someone named Ruel Domingo, but Anderson said those e-mails originated from IP addresses at Jacques' home and office.

E-mails accuse Jacques of coercing or enlisting the second girl to participate, including by tying Bennett down if that became necessary.
The girl wrote, "yes. I will help," one e-mail said.

[LanieCoz]

OK, that must be a relation. A 16 yr old Kariiii (friend of Bruce) has a private myspace (won't list it here) that says "We love you Brooke" :(

Also, if you're looking at that page one can only conclude that she is MJ's neice. Her status says "Karriiii! My Uncle is such a butthole'

[MCDRAW]

Dear MissVT,:blowkiss:
If she thought it was strange, why did she allow her daughter around him and to stay with him?


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


As far as we know Gagnon hasn't been convcted of any sexual crimes. She probably never thought it had anything to do with a sexual nature. Again not taking up for the Mother, I would just think that Gagnon came out of left field on this one.

[Taximom]

Also, if you're looking at that page one can only conclude that she is MJ's neice. Her status says "Karriiii! My Uncle is such a butthole'


There ya go. I missed that! I did notice she was "Angry".

[SailorMoon]

OMG. Freaking WHOA. WHOA. and more WHOA. Must read everyone...but hold on. Explains more of our questions.

I found the new affidavit...sorry if this was already posted...

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

[Taximom]

I found the new affidavit...sorry if this was already posted...

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

When I click on this a box pops up asking for my password! :eek: I'm not a member, I guess.

[SuziQ]

I found the new affidavit...sorry if this was already posted...

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

Well, well, well, page 16 explains how the kleenex came into play.

[evelyn24]

OMG. Freaking WHOA. WHOA. and more WHOA. Must read everyone...but hold on. Explains more of our questions.

It's not working for me. What does it say? Summary?

[LanieCoz]

There ya go. I missed that! I did notice she was "Angry".


Do you happen to have the URL link to Brooke's older sister? If you do, could you PM it to me please??

[LanieCoz]

Well, well, well, page 16 explains how the kleenex came into play.


SuziQ,

That link won't open up for me... is it possible for you to either try re-posting or e-mailing it to me please?

[calidreamin]

OMG. Freaking WHOA. WHOA. and more WHOA. Must read everyone...but hold on. Explains more of our questions.

AGH!!! Just read it and have never felt so disgusted in my life! It also answers the question about how the boyfriends seman got on the hankerchief. His girlfriend planted it there at the request of Jaques. :mad::mad:

[CarpeDiem]

SuziQ,

That link won't open up for me... is it possible for you to either try re-posting or e-mailing it to me please?

Me too, there isn't even a link on their main page.

[murdershewrote]

won't open for me either...yes, please repost if you can...thx!

[SuziQ]

I don't have another link, but to summarize. The uncle instructed AR to have her BF come on her stomach and immediately wipe up the semen with a handkerchief, put it in a plastic bag and hide it. The plastic bag and handkerchief were later found with the items Brooke's uncle planted.

[evelyn24]

AGH!!! Just read it and have never felt so disgusted in my life! It also answers the question about how the boyfriends seman got on the hankerchief. His girlfriend planted it there at the request of Jaques. :mad::mad:

Thank you. That at least answers one question.

[SuziQ]

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

[Taximom]

SuziQ, spill! I can't get the link to work for me and I can't find it on the argus site. :(

LanieCoz, I don't have Brooke's older sister's myspace link. It might be elsewhere here unless she's a minor (can't remember!). Sorry. :blowkiss:

[SailorMoon]

omg and I just closed out of it.....Basically that MJ who was going by 2 different email aliass (chevy21 and that raulone) emailed AR with various requests. One, was the have Juv 2 (her bf) do the deed on her stomach, wipe it off with a hanky, put it in a bag and text him saying..its done. Also, he sent a couple of txts to AR looking like they were from someone named "sam" about wanting to move the party to Wed and that he was hot for Brooke or something and for her to forward those to brooke's cell phone.

It's juicy and I couldn't believe what I was reading. Geeze louise. I guess the original date for the kidnap was Monday, but they changed it to Wed. or Thursday because the c*** Savannah works on those days as well.

[Taximom]

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

Now I get this:
Sorry, the requested page cannot be found. To return to the previous page, please click here (javascript:history.back(1)).

[LanieCoz]

SuziQ, spill! I can't get the link to work for me and I can't find it on the argus site. :(

LanieCoz, I don't have Brooke's older sister's myspace link. It might be elsewhere here unless she's a minor (can't remember!). Sorry. :blowkiss:


Okay, thanks a bunch.

[rccook555]

Now I get this:
Sorry, the requested page cannot be found. To return to the previous page, please click here (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1)).

I have this saved as a file if anyone cant get it open. PM me your email and i will email it to you.

[CarpeDiem]

Now I get this:
Sorry, the requested page cannot be found. To return to the previous page, please click here (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1)).

That's exactly what I get. Too many people trying to access? I always can pull these documents up with no problem.

[rccook555]

Okay, thanks a bunch.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119388490

[MCDRAW]

You know I have been trying to figure out why a convicted RSO would think he could get away with an abduction...especially someone from his own family. I think now that he had planned to blame it on A.R. 's boyfriend if the internet thing didn't pan out. The boyfriend may have been in on it, who knows, there are so many twist and turns in this case. This was definitly premediated. I beleive he thought about this long and hard. I think he has been planning this for years before he put everything into motion a month ago.

[christine2448]

http://www.timesargus.com/assets/pdf/BT4968673.PDF

Not working for me either, dag gum it. What's goin on??

[Jade]

Nope.

It did for me. Now not.

Graphic. Diabolical. Horrible.

The girl willingly participated in advance planning of Brooke’s capture. Got the semen from boyfriend and put on tissue in baggie and hid it. Boy friend not part of Breck.

J. used emailed personas to upset the girl about her Mom being bitchy and threatening divorce. The girl doesn’t want that.

Making sure Mom and aunt aren’t around so changed the date of the “party”.

Confusing whom all the emails are from but some one J. or girl was mad at Brooke.

God, what a mess.

[Busylady]

Angelina and Bruce have 3 children. Karri 1992, Boy born 1993, girl born 1997.

Also, if you're looking at that page one can only conclude that she is MJ's neice. Her status says "Karriiii! My Uncle is such a butthole'

[LanieCoz]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=119388490


Thanks!

[LanieCoz]

Angelina and Bruce have 3 children. Karri 1992, Boy born 1993, girl born 1997.


So, im guessing Angelina is his sister.

[angelwngs]

OMG!!!!!!!!!! This SICK POS needs to FRY! Convincing this child to participate in the REAL LIFE HORROR STORY!!!!!!!!!!

And it was a white hankerchief... not a colored bandana as we thought it might be, but MJ told her in email exactly what to use and how to get her boyfriend's semen on the hankerchief and then to put it into a ziplock baggie...

:eek: I know that I am going to be SICK now...

[Taximom]

That's exactly what I get. Too many people trying to access? I always can pull these documents up with no problem.

LOL I know! This sucks. I'm usually the one that's emailing others w/the info.

Thanks, rccook!!

[MCDRAW]

Yep I agree it was for an alibi, and it is very strange, it makes no sense to me that they left her there and then went back and picked her up I just don't believe that. I believe he told her to go the other way, and my question why did she obey him?:waitasec:


I know he staged it for his Alibi. I just wonder if he didn't say something to make her angry and tell her she could just walk home. He leaves then comes back for her. The party excuse doesn't work for me. Wouldn't she have wondered why they ended up back at M. J.'s. Just wondering.

[christine2448]

Suzi, please save to your harddrive and put in attachment for me and email!?! So I can get it up for those having troubles!

[Leila]

I'm just trying to catch up with today's thread, and watched the three parts of the press conference. At the very end of part 3, a reporter asked if the family (I assume Brooke's mother, aunt, grandmother) were cooperating with LE. The federal attorney responded saying words to the effect that the people in the Randolph area have cooperated. I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that the federal attorney was side-stepping the question. His answer was broad and he didn't specifically say that the family was cooperating.

Did I hear that right?

[SailorMoon]

I think someone realized that they really needed to black out some more things make a warning!! It was like a sex story.

Basically, MJ was acting like he was 2 different people, this "chevy21" guy and "rauldom". The ones from "rauldom" were telling her that he couldn't believe they were going to come down on her dad like that, that rumor around town was that her mom had been talking to her ex and was going to divorce her dad...and for her to really come on to her dad.

Unbelievable reading. I hope they put it back up. It was about 13 pages total, with at 3 pgs of juicy stuff. What a perv he was. Mentioned tasering Brooke if he had to.

Also, something about an order from a sexstore - totalling $1k plus for 3 items, can remember what they were exactly that were delivered to his home. Also, that he told LE the hard drive in his home computer (not the laptop) had gone out and he'd dropped it off at Best Buy. Well.....of course BestBuy had no record of him ever dropping off anything.

Now I get this:
Sorry, the requested page cannot be found. To return to the previous page, please click here (http://javascript<b></b>:history.back(1)).

[angelwngs]

Nope.

CP, Call me and I will read it to you...if you'd like. (If I can... It is really, really AWFUL!) It is still opened on my computer.

[Amster]

For some reason, Juvenile 1 really seems to hate Brooke and Savannah. And, I think she was there for the torture and murder of Brooke. She is totally gone, mentally. Evidently, in her short life, she has had experiences that no sane person can even imagine. :furious:

I believe the guy she says she had sex with...that she can't remember because she was drugged....is Gagnon. :mad:

MJ says he talked to the store clerk about Brooke using the phone if her friend didn't show up. Lying POS. :rolleyes:

[fran]

The perversion in this case equals what happened in the Groene case, IMO. This shows how these perverts can NOT be rehabilitated.

OhMyGosh! These poor, poor, children.

How can this happen in front of so many other's noses?

I'm just sick

fran

[CarpeDiem]

Suzi, please save to your harddrive and put in attachment for me and email!?! So I can get it up for those having troubles!

I sure would appreciate that. :blowkiss:

[Taximom]

Thanks for the info, everyone. This is absolutely disgusting.

[AliVada]

I would too

K in Texas

[rccook555]

Sorry all, i am trying to get this file sent to everyone. I am having some trouble uploading the file the email. Never has this problem before. Working hard on it and hopefully will get it sent to you very soon.

Can i not attach this as a PDF file?

[Taximom]

Thank you, rccook!

[VTGirl81]

I have never read anything so sick and digusting in my life. I am going to be physically ill.

[dark_shadows]

When the link is up, can someone please post it on the MySpace and email link thread so others can find it at a glance?

Rccook, can you please help with that?

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[jnodrog]

Okay, thanks a bunch.
http://www.myspace.com/BamaBabay07

[rccook555]

Ok think i got it now, will be sending in a minute.

[MCDRAW]

I am so glad the feds have taken over...if ever someone deserved the death penalty it's M.J.

[Amster]

OMG....just horrible. A.R. isn't being truthful about Brooke being initiated. Brooke was to be tortured and killed. No doubt about it. Good thing LE got the e-mails, or A.R. would still be covering for MJ.

Was the hard drive from MJs computer found?

[MissHolmes]

This is so bizarre. He talks about being in Africa on safari hunting, killed a zebra and water buffalo. It goes on an on. You couldnt make this stuff up.

[CarpeDiem]

http://www.myspace.com/BamaBabay07

I feel bad for her too. All these lives destroyed. :confused:

[rccook555]

Ok just sent it off, if you didnt get it please let me know!

[SeriouslySearching]

We actually have an Affidavit thread for those, Dark. :) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2348063#post2348063

[SuziQ]

Suzi, please save to your harddrive and put in attachment for me and email!?! So I can get it up for those having troubles!

Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I had to give my son a ride to a friends house. I didn't save the affidavit and I can't even find the link to it now...anywhere. Grrrrrrrrrr!

[Smugshots]

For some reason, Juvenile 1 really seems to hate Brooke and Savannah. And, I think she was there for the torture and murder of Brooke. She is totally gone, mentally. Evidently, in her short life, she has had experiences that no sane person can even imagine. :furious:

I believe the guy she says she had sex with...that she can't remember because she was drugged....is Gagnon. :mad:

MJ says he talked to the store clerk about Brooke using the phone if her friend didn't show up. Lying POS. :rolleyes:

It does seem Juvenile 1 had it in for Brooke too! I believe it was an e-mail from Juvenile 1 that stated she wanted Brooke to suffer and for someone to pee in her mouth so she could see how it felt. WTH was that about!!!

Also, in one of the e-mails from MJ's where he is asking Juvenile 1 to help with the tie up, he says he could just tazer her, but doesn't want her to experience it that early in the morning because she'll be getting plenty of it later.

Does anyone know what the e-mail from the guy supposed to be in Africa was about? I assume this was MJ too, and Juvenile 1 replied to the e-mail, was MJ in Africa recently?

[Jen_in_Indy]

Ok just sent it off, if you didnt get it please let me know!

I got it! Thanks!:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww, I can't believe I can't read it. GRRRR! If someone could put it up page by page on the Affidavit thread...that would be so great! Please! :)

[Taximom]

Shoot, when searching for something yesterday I ran across something with Jacques and Africa but I didn't bother going to it as it was jumbled. ARGH. I wonder what I was searching for at the time. :mad:

[jyram]

If someone is emailing copies of the affidavit, I would love to have one too.

jyram@hotmail.com

[rccook555]

Awww, I can't believe I can't read it. GRRRR! If someone could put it up page by page on the Affidavit thread...that would be so great! Please! :)


I would be glad to SS if i knew how. :waitasec: If someone wants to walk me through how to do it i will post it.

[dark_shadows]

We actually have an Affidavit thread for those, Dark. :) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2348063#post2348063
Dearest SS,:blowkiss:
Sorry, did not see that, how did I miss that!
Thank-you my friend. The link to that affidavit is there for everyone I hope.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Amster]

The "Africa" e-mail was sent from MJs laptop.....all those e-mails were.

Amazing....horribly amazing

[SuziQ]

Sorry all, i am trying to get this file sent to everyone. I am having some trouble uploading the file the email. Never has this problem before. Working hard on it and hopefully will get it sent to you very soon.

Can i not attach this as a PDF file?

Thank you!

[Taximom]

I don't have it yet. Wah. Maybe it's a yahoo email problem.

[rccook555]

I don't have it yet. Wah. Maybe it's a yahoo email problem.

I will sent it again Taximom...

[Smugshots]

Shoot, when searching for something yesterday I ran across something with Jacques and Africa but I didn't bother going to it as it was jumbled. ARGH. I wonder what I was searching for at the time. :mad:

Interesting, there is a e-mail sent to AR from apparently one of MJ's e-mails, he's e-mailing from Africa, he's hunting animals, and misses her so much.

[Leila]

This just gets deeper and deeper. I have to say nothing is shocking in this case anymore. AR has lied before and maybe she's trying to protect her bf as well who knows, she is a confused scared child and she should be, she has nowhere to turn. (lets not forget she was 9 when this started)I'm sure they're looking at bf's computer as well. This will all come out.

I've wondered if Child Protective Services have intervened and is AR still with the rest of the family or has been placed in some sort of foster care - protective custody?

My concern arises from the fact that the grandmother's only statement was that "this has upset the family", and made no plea for Brooke's safe return. I think the family - Denise, Cassandra, and the grandmother know or have a pretty good idea as to what happened.

[SuziQ]

I guess the fact that the bf's stuff ended up on a hankie confirms that AR and not her uncle pretending to be AR was communicating in those emails. I am horrified for what happened to Brooke after reading the little details of torture planned and hate they had for Brooke. IMO it sounds like it was planned for AR to be there the entire time. I'm wondering if the BF ever picked AR up at all? I think this story is going to get worse before it gets better.

[fran]

OMG....just horrible. A.R. isn't being truthful about Brooke being initiated. Brooke was to be tortured and killed. No doubt about it. Good thing LE got the e-mails, or A.R. would still be covering for MJ.

Was the hard drive from MJs computer found?

I doubt if the harddrive has been found. LE even checked with BestBuy and they don't have any record of the uncle bringing the computer in.

We've seen this before, the harddrive mysteriously disappearing. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it's because there's something damaging to the perp. Too late for this guy, though. The laptop gave plenty of information.

This case is just horrible.

fran

[Cornflower]

1) AR must have kept secret her hate towards Brooke, otherwise Brooke hadn´t visited her so often. Unless Brooke just said she wanted to see her but was actually forced to go there because of MJ. What caused AR to hate her so much? Was Brooke getting more attention than AR? She had been abused for many years so I would think she could be jealous in a way that an abused person is.

2) MJ does have a lot of money if he´s been to Africa not to mention the house they live in. I´m willing to believe that they did indeed make money with childporn but how come RG lives at a rented place?

[MCDRAW]

Awww, I can't believe I can't read it. GRRRR! If someone could put it up page by page on the Affidavit thread...that would be so great! Please! :)


I would appreciate it too!

[TxJillyBean]

I just read it.....WTH....That is just disgusting....I can not believe what I just read. I hope they FRY his ass good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cried most of the way through it. Juv1 is surely messed up because of this, she may never recover. Sad Sad Sad

[Taximom]

It looks like there is an event planner (just skimming) named MJ in Africa. No relation. Does he use MJ as his name when emailing "from Africa"?

He just doesn't look like the type that could plan all this out. Of course, it went badly in the end, but I can't believe all this worked w/these teen girls and at least one boy.

[angelwngs]

Suzi, please save to your harddrive and put in attachment for me and email!?! So I can get it up for those having troubles!

Christine, I tried to email it to you, as well as to post it already opened here at WS and it will not download into an attachment to send. It says 'invalid file'...

[Smugshots]

I guess the fact that the bf's stuff ended up on a hankie confirms that AR and not her uncle pretending to be AR was communicating in those emails. I am horrified for what happened to Brooke after reading the little details of torture planned and hate they had for Brooke. IMO it sounds like it was planned for AR to be there the entire time. I'm wondering if the BF ever picked AR up at all? I think this story is going to get worse before it gets better.

I think it was planned that AR would be there too, cause it was asked and she replied whether she wanted any time with her. That's when she replied she wasn't sure she wanted time with her, but wanted her to suffer.

There was one e-mail to AR saying something like he's glad they let her be in the Summer program and that was a good idea she had, wonder what that idea she had was?

[LanieCoz]

My goodness. I thought the other affidavits were bad (which they certainly are). I can't even finish reading this one right now. Ugh, I just can't even find the words for this.

[SuziQ]

IMO, MJ was pretending to be a covert member of Breckenridge from Africa. He was never in Africa.

[TxJillyBean]

Christine, I tried to email it to you, as well as to post it already opened here at WS and it will not download into an attachment to send. It says 'invalid file'...

I have it saved if anyone needs it.

[SuziQ]

I think it was planned that AR would be there too, cause it was asked and she replied whether she wanted any time with her. That's when she replied she wasn't sure she wanted time with her, but wanted her to suffer.

There was one e-mail to AR saying something like he's glad they let her be in the Summer program and that was a good idea she had, wonder what that idea she had was?

I noticed that as well.

[dark_shadows]

What A.R. did before, during and after Brooke's horrifying death is unspeakable.
I have been waiting to hear if she ends up in our juvenille facility. Woodside Juvenile Rehabilitation Center.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[Taximom]

IMO, MJ was pretending to be a covert member of Breckenridge from Africa. He was never in Africa.

ITA. He's the Great Pretender.

[Amster]

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but, nobody was in Africa. MJ wrote those e-mails from his work laptop. Not sure who A.R thought she e-mailing with, though. Sounds like she thought he was her lover....ugh....a 14 year old having a lover....I'm too old for this.

[Taximom]

Got it, rccook. Thank you again!

[jnodrog]

I have it saved if anyone needs it.
could you send to me
message me for email

[Jen_in_Indy]

Correct me if I'm wrong.....but, nobody was in Africa. MJ wrote those e-mails from his work laptop. Not sure who A.R thought she e-mailing with, though. Sounds like she thought he was her lover....ugh....a 14 year old having a lover....I'm too old for this.

Ok. (I'm slowly getting through the affidavit.) So, we don't know who AR thought she was talking to??

[SuziQ]

What A.R. did before, during and after Brooke's horrifying death is unspeakable.
I have been waiting to hear if she ends up in our juvenille facility. Woodside Juvenile Rehabilitation Center.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

ITA. Sadly a vic sometimes crosses over to being a perp. The perp victimizes someone and they in turn victimize someone else. A never ending cycle.

[KarainTexas]

Hi TXJean... I would love to read (well, maybe not but we are curious) been following from the beginning.

Do you mind?

kara@ennispaint.net

thank you SO much!!!

[Smugshots]

IMO, MJ was pretending to be a covert member of Breckenridge from Africa. He was never in Africa.


That's what doesn't make any sense, I can't understand how AR didn't realize these were all coming from MJ? I think more men have been introduced to her through MJ.

[Leila]

I have it saved if anyone needs it.

I'm so late getting online today, and have to leave shortly to pick up my grandson - 60 mile round trip. I'm way behind and don't know what everyone is talking about regarding an affidavit.

If there's something being emailed out to members, I'd love to have a copy. My email is:

misssyron@yahoo.com

Please note that there's three (3) of the letter S in my name. :)

[evelyn24]

1) AR must have kept secret her hate towards Brooke, otherwise Brooke hadn´t visited her so often. Unless Brooke just said she wanted to see her but was actually forced to go there because of MJ. What caused AR to hate her so much? Was Brooke getting more attention than AR? She had been abused for many years so I would think she could be jealous in a way that an abused person is.

2) MJ does have a lot of money if he´s been to Africa not to mention the house they live in. I´m willing to believe that they did indeed make money with childporn but how come RG lives at a rented place?

I think she was trying to make the POS MJ happy with her hateful comments toward Brooke, and was going along with his plans and adding her own evil comments just to please him.
I really do not hold her responsible, because she's been raped since nine, and her head is so screwed up that it's going to many years to straighten it out.

[MCDRAW]

ITA. Sadly a vic sometimes crosses over to being a perp. The perp victimizes someone and they in turn victimize someone else. A never ending cycle.


I'm thinking A.R. has crossed the line in this case.

[murdershewrote]

sorry, I haven't been able to get into the affidavit. Does it sound like Brooke was involved in this much earlier, maybe being raped by her uncle? I think it's possible...and then they wanted to escalate things to involve other men...this tie down business makes me sick. I'm so afraid she was tied down and then finally strangled, or worse. Was there any hint of LE finding blood in the house or any vehicles?

[LucyVino]

Can I have a copy sent to me as well I know it will probably make me sick but curiosity is killing me.

Thanks!

[Smugshots]

What A.R. did before, during and after Brooke's horrifying death is unspeakable.
I have been waiting to hear if she ends up in our juvenille facility. Woodside Juvenile Rehabilitation Center.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I realize AR is a victim too, but after reading some of her e-mails she sent, I have a hard time believing her complete innocence in this.

Plus, now's her chance to tell LE everything, but it seems to me she might not be telling the entire truth even now.

BTW, Hi dark_shadow, always enjoy reading your posts.

[TisHerself]

I know he staged it for his Alibi. I just wonder if he didn't say something to make her angry and tell her she could just walk home. He leaves then comes back for her. The party excuse doesn't work for me. Wouldn't she have wondered why they ended up back at M. J.'s. Just wondering.


I thought that also, if they had told her she was going to a party ( which is odd in itself since it was only like 10am) who has a party at that time? Why was she sitting watching TV? didn't she question were this party was. I think there are a lot of things that just don't fit and are not true.

[Claycat]

I would have felt sorry for AR, but she is now an accomplice to murder. I realize she is a victim, but she is old enough to know right from wrong. She needs major rehab!

[SuziQ]

sorry, I haven't been able to get into the affidavit. Does it sound like Brooke was involved in this much earlier, maybe being raped by her uncle? I think it's possible...and then they wanted to escalate things to involve other men...this tie down business makes me sick. I'm so afraid she was tied down and then finally strangled, or worse. Was there any hint of LE finding blood in the house or any vehicles?

I would have to re read the affidavit. My impression is that Brooke had no clue what was going on and what was going to happen. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[TxJillyBean]

Can I have a copy sent to me as well I know it will probably make me sick but curiosity is killing me.

Thanks!


If any one needs a copy just PM me....I have dial up so it takes about 3 minutes to send. I will get it out as quick as I can.

[rccook555]

For those not able to see the Affidavits, Ladybass is working on getting them posted in the Affidavits thread here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66875

Thanks again Ladybass!!:blowkiss:

[Smugshots]

I would have to re read the affidavit. My impression is that Brooke had no clue what was going on and what was going to happen. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree, I think this was meant to be her first and last time.