Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #11

[DeltaDawn]

IIRC, Cassandra said she viewed her (Brooke). I'm wondering how that was possible. Even under the best of circumstances, at this time of year and almost a week, her body could not be in that good of shape.


I thought that was weird too SuzyQ..but I think Cassandra doesn't always phrase things the way other people do. I doubt that she physically viewed the body..if decomp was that bad they wouldn't have let her.. Usually if someone is brutally bludgeoned, decomp, or decapitated they don't let family view the individual. Maybe her body was there and mostly covered and she only saw a hand or a foot.

I guess we will know if they are able to hold an open casket funeral that she wasn't as decomposed as has been noted.

[Carrington]

I do not think she was killed right away.

[SuziQ]

Did AR tell the truth about MJ and Brooke getting upstairs? What if Brooke was never taken back to the house but they drove somewhere else?

That makes alot of sense.

[evelyn24]

I´m sorry if there has been a discussion about this earlier, but I´ve been thinking about where he/they actually killed Brooke. IMO it sounds very strange that they would kill her at their home where anyone could just walk in? They had relatives and friends nearby, Denise could have come home earlier etc. How did they know that they could torture and kill Brooke without any interruptions? I also believe that MJ planned to hurt Brooke not just for a day but as long as he could. Did AR tell the truth about MJ and Brooke getting upstairs? What if Brooke was never taken back to the house but they drove somewhere else?

I doubt AR told the truth about Brooke being taken back to her home and going upstairs with MJ. I bet the equipment was set up somewhere else, and that's where they took her.
I don't think they took her back to the house, then transported her to another location.

[SeriouslySearching]

What if upstairs meant the attic instead of the second story? I noticed there is a space over the garages. There he would not be as apt to worry about Denise or Savanna coming home.

Also, I noted on several of the photos of MJ's house that a screen from one of the upstairs windows was laying on the porch roof. Anyone else notice that? Could Brooke have tried to get out a window at one point?

[Medea]

I doubt AR told the truth about Brooke being taken back to her home and going upstairs with MJ. I bet the equipment was set up somewhere else, and that's where they took her.
I don't think they took her back to the house, then transported her to another location.

I don't think AR is smart enough to improvise, once the story Jacques gave her fell apart, she did what the typical not too smart criminal does...she tells the truth but leaves the end out.

I'm sure LE have talked to her boyfriend and his family to determine what he said, what his movements were, etc. and what he says happened. He could have been part of the attack as well, but it seems like he was just a dupe for AR and Jacques.

I disagree that Brooke was not taken to his house. I think she was taken to the house, she was taken upstairs and then, maybe she was moved but I tend to think that his house is his comfort zone....this is where all the planning and plotting and emailing came from.

Plus, who cares if Denise came home?! What's she going to do? Look the other way and start dinner.

[Cornflower]

What if upstairs meant the attic instead of the second story? I noticed there is a space over the garages. There he would not be as apt to worry about Denise or Savanna coming home.


That´s possible. It would have been perfect for him to have Brooke there to be tortured and he could easily switch from his "normal" life to live his sick fantasy just by going to the attic.

[SeriouslySearching]

And the evidence would be out of view of others in the house. I doubt that Denise or Savanna ever went into the attic area much.

[vickycopsy]

In an earlier thread someone on here mentioned "snuff" film. Forgive me for being so ignorant of porn terminology, but what exactly is a "snuff" film?

Thanks..
Vic

[SeriouslySearching]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_movie

In 2000, an Italian police operation broke up a gang of child pornographers based in Russia who, it was claimed, were also offering snuff films for sale to their clients in Italy, Germany, America and Britain. It is unclear whether anything other than child pornography films were ever seized.[12]

(Bolded by me)

[believe09]

In an earlier thread someone on here mentioned "snuff" film. Forgive me for being so ignorant of porn terminology, but what exactly is a "snuff" film?

Thanks..
Vic

filmed murder, usually during somekind of sexual act. it is an urban legend, as there has never been any proof that things like this exist...

[Starr58]

A new person here....have been reading the forum since Brooke became missing.

I have been wondering if anybody knows who reported Brooke missing?

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Starr! A family friend who has not been named and has only been mentioned by someone local. LE then called back to speak with the maternal grandmother.

[believe09]

snip
In 2000 an Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy) police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police) operation broke up a gang of child pornographers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography) based in Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia) who, it was claimed, were also offering snuff films for sale to their clients in Italy, Germany, America and Britain. It is unclear whether anything other than child pornography films were ever seized.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_movie#cite_note-11)
snip


This is interesting considering the association RG made between himself and Russian Child Porn, as well as SS's theory that a film of Brooke's potential abuse might have been made and sold...

[Floh]

A new person here....have been reading the forum since Brooke became missing.

I have been wondering if anybody knows who reported Brooke missing?

Hi and welcome to Websleuths.

the answer to your quesion is, as far as i can work out, a family friend of Cassandra and Grandma's. she made the call they were unwilling to nd when the police came on the phone she handed the apparatus to Grandma.

usually i'm an opinionated poster who can't shut up, but i'm horrified on this one and not quite so vocal as normal. i've read everything.

[Medea]

I thought her grandmother reported her missing?

[Starr58]

Welcome to WS, Starr! Only a family friend who has not been named and has only been mentioned by someone local. LE then called back to speak with the maternal grandmother.

I was just wondering if it might have been Ray Gagnon who could have reported her missing.

[Floh]

I thought her grandmother reported her missing?

No she didn't.

[SeriouslySearching]

filmed murder, usually during somekind of sexual act. it is an urban legend, as there has never been any proof that things like this exist...In 2007 an underground Argentinian film called SNUFF 102, directed by filmmaker Mariano Peralta, was premiered in the Mar Del Plata International Film Festival in Argentina. The premiere was scandalous because members of the audience claimed some scenes in the film were real and demanded the film be banned from the festival. After the end of the premiere the director was attacked by members of the audience.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_movie

While it may be part urban legend, I would say it does exist for a very few sick freaks out there.

[jnodrog]

how old would this pervert MJ been in 1982??
heres an unsolved murder of Pamela Brown.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/homicide/brown_pamela.htm

Allen

[adnoid]

...I think the ultimate was to have a movie where a child was raped, tortured on this machine and then died due to the extreme nature of the the machine, dying from too much violent sex..and I think that is what the autospy will reveal. The machine damaged her so much that she was bleeding and vital organs punctured.

I'll tell you what, I went to the extreme whatever site that was mentioned in the affidavit and looked up the stuff he bought. It's just so disturbing on so many levels, especially because there's nothing to stop some kid from looking it up just like I did. These deviants make out like they are just running some sort of normal, respectable business. But on the "product page" for that main piece of equipment there is a video where some gal talks about it and proceeds to DEMONSTRATE HOW TO USE IT ON HERSELF. Right there for anyone to click.

Thinking of that perv using that thing on that poor little girl filled me with the desire to tie HIM to one with about a 75 horsepower motor, an "attachment" made from a modified baseball bat with sand glued to it, adjusted for about a 6 foot stroke. MJ needs to die in extreme pain, soon, as does everyone else involved in this. There is no reason whatsoever for these filthy molesters to be sharing our oxygen.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was just wondering if it might have been Ray Gagnon who could have reported her missing.No. He was in San Antonio, TX at the time she went missing...until LE says differently.

[Medea]

In 2007 an underground Argentinian film called SNUFF 102, directed by filmmaker Mariano Peralta, was premiered in the Mar Del Plata International Film Festival in Argentina. The premiere was scandalous because members of the audience claimed some scenes in the film were real and demanded the film be banned from the festival. After the end of the premiere the director was attacked by members of the audience.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_movie

While it may be part urban legend, I would say it does exist for a very few sick freaks out there.

To me, this kind of film isn't art and should be banned. ALL it does is encourage nuts to make their own snuff films. I am so fed up with hearing about 'art' and 'free speech' when it refers to violent sexual pornography. We have to draw the line somewhere if we want to remain a civilized society and not revert to a Lord of the Flies existance.

[SeriouslySearching]

how old would this pervert MJ been in 1982??
heres an unsolved murder of Pamela Brown.

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/homicide/brown_pamela.htm

AllenAbout 16 yo, I think. It doesn't say how old Pamela was when she was murdered or even give her birthdate.

[adnoid]

I still cannot get over the fact that the mother allowed her daughter to be around not one but two child molesters. I hope that she can be charged with child endangerment or something!

You and me both. Suppose the "second adult" was one of the OTHER disgusting molesters in this case?

I'll tell you what, if you KNOW someone is a filthy molester you DO NOT allow your children to EVER be in their presence under ANY conditions whatsoever. Zip, done, end of discussion.

[HarvestMoon]

Delta Dawn, I also have a feeling that machine killed her.

[jnodrog]

About 16 yo, I think.
ok thx

Allen

[Cornflower]

I am so fed up with hearing about 'art' and 'free speech' when it refers to violent sexual pornography. We have to draw the line somewhere if we want to remain a civilized society and not revert to a Lord of the Flies existance.

I agree. I don´t care what two (or more) adults do with each other and when it doesn´t happen against anyones will, but I do think that children need much more protection than they are getting these days.

[Medea]

Did anyone else notice that Brooke's father said her grades dropped drastically in 7th grade?

Is it possible Jacques was already molesting her and she had threatened to tell and this is why her abduction was planned and why AR wanted her to suffer and why she had her arms crossed in the Cumberland Farms vide?

[Cornflower]

Also, I noted on several of the photos of MJ's house that a screen from one of the upstairs windows was laying on the porch roof. Anyone else notice that? Could Brooke have tried to get out a window at one point?

I had to look at the photos again, didn´t notice that earlier. It might well be that they had a big fight upstairs and maybe Brooke got injuries already then?

[SeriouslySearching]

Anything is possible when it comes to Jacques. Her grades slipping could be a clue to abuse, but then again...there could be many reasons. Too much time spent on sports, on the cell phone, on the internet, or a host of other things.

[Cornflower]

Did anyone else notice that Brooke's father said her grades dropped drastically in 7th grade?

Is it possible Jacques was already molesting her and she had threatened to tell and this is why her abduction was planned and why AR wanted her to suffer and why she had her arms crossed in the Cumberland Farms vide?

Yes, I read that too. He said that was maybe because of her growing up and becoming a teen. I believe that was because of MJ, too.

[SeriouslySearching]

I had to look at the photos again, didn´t notice that earlier. It might well be that they had a big fight upstairs and maybe Brooke got injuries already then?I can't imagine why that screen is there. I don't imagine LE put it there and it doesn't look damaged like the wind tossed it or something. It is laying pretty flat on the roof anyway. Just thought it looked very out of place.

[Starr58]

A quote from todays Burlington Free Press article "Randolph Searches for Strength" :

"Harty said Brooke’s death recalls a series of sexual assaults in the community about 20 years ago."
“As with this case, there were breaches of trust,” he said. “I suppose memories get short over the years. There’s a generation here that doesn’t have the tie to that time, not having lived through it."


Wonder what series of sexual assaults he is referring to?

[Medea]

I don't think he intended to kill her immediately so I don't think any sex machine is what caused her death.

I believe he intended to take her somewhere..underground bunker, abandoned house and keep her for at least a few days. Even acknowledging he's an insane sex fiend, the amount of planning he did and the length of time does not track to me w/killing her outright.

I believe some type of mistake occured in the so called 'take down'...Brooke fought back, Jacques made the neck restraints too tight, he became enraged because she wasn't compliant like AR and killed her in a rage/panic.

[dark_shadows]

Thanks for posting this, Dark! The pressure should be applied and should get someone to actually do something now.
My very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
You are very welcome.
Something should have been done along time ago like you said before. It is a tragedy that nothing was done sooner.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[SeriouslySearching]

A quote from todays Burlington Free Press article "Randolph Searches for Strength" :

"Harty said Brooke’s death recalls a series of sexual assaults in the community about 20 years ago."
“As with this case, there were breaches of trust,” he said. “I suppose memories get short over the years. There’s a generation here that doesn’t have the tie to that time, not having lived through it."


Wonder what series of sexual assaults he is referring to?It could be in reference to Jacques' assaults on an 8 year old "relative" (possibly his sister) when he was 11 yo. While LE did know about the 100 or so rapes/assaults...the victim failed to press charges and they couldn't do anything to him.

[dark_shadows]

I believe her body was most likely in advanced stages of decomp.
My very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
Was Brooke's mother stated in the article and on video that she viewed Brooke's body, or did she mean that she "viewed" her in a vision???.





Braintree, Vermont - July 5, 2008
"I actually viewed her yesterday and it's just.... I felt her.

The article and video link;
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623432


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[vickycopsy]

Gosh, I am almost sorry I asked what a snuff film was! I am horrified...just horrified. Thanks for the quick replies everyone.

I also have another question, after I read the affidavits, am I correct in understanding that A.R. was M.J.'s step-daughter and that the two of them were in love??? Is this correct? She is not his biological daugher I hope? (Of course, sexual molestation is bad no matter who does it) but if he is A.R.'s biological father I just want to vomit.

[Medea]

Gosh, I am almost sorry I asked what a snuff film was! I am horrified...just horrified. Thanks for the quick replies everyone.

I also have another question, after I read the affidavits, am I correct in understanding that A.R. was M.J.'s step-daughter and that the two of them were in love??? Is this correct? She is not his biological daugher I hope? (Of course, sexual molestation is bad no matter who does it) but if he is A.R.'s biological father I just want to vomit.

She is his step daughter.

But the person she was emailing she believed to be someone other than her stepfather.

I don't think a 14 year old can be "in love" with someone who has abused her allegedly since age 9, whether she has come to think so or not, though.

[Tom'sGirl]

Also, I noted on several of the photos of MJ's house that a screen from one of the upstairs windows was laying on the porch roof. Anyone else notice that? Could Brooke have tried to get out a window at one point?
YES, I noticed that SS when I posted the photo. It appears to be from the window directly in the middle on the upper floor.

[vickycopsy]

She is his step daughter.

But the person she was emailing she believed to be someone other than her stepfather.

I don't think a 14 year old can be "in love" with someone who has abused her allegedly since age 9, whether she has come to think so or not, though.

I agree with you 100% Medea, no WAY can a 14 year old girl who has been (raped) molested since she was 9 be in love with her abuser, NO WAY! She may be brainwashed/victimized into believing so, but she is not in love with M.J.

I only hope her life improves from here on out, and she can get court ordered help and perhaps find a loving, understanding therapist to help her understand that at 9 years old she was not responsible for what an adult did to her.

I am going to say this and back away from the computer slowly..... but I think her mother failed her miserably, and I believe Brooke's mom failed her too. It is a duty as a parent to teach your children to stay away from sex offenders, rapists, and perverts, not move them into your home and allow them to babysit.

[Medea]

I agree with you 100% Medea, no WAY can a 14 year old girl who has been (raped) molested since she was 9 be in love with her abuser, NO WAY! She may be brainwashed/victimized into believing so, but she is not in love with M.J.

I only hope her life improves from here on out, and she can get court ordered help and perhaps find a loving, understanding therapist to help her understand that at 9 years old she was not responsible for what an adult did to her.

I am going to say this and back away from the computer slowly..... but I think her mother failed her miserably, and I believe Brooke's mom failed her too. It is a duty as a parent to teach your children to stay away from sex offenders, rapists, and perverts, not move them into your home and allow them to babysit.

As far as I am concerned Denise, AR's mother, should be charged with child neglect/child endangerment or anything else they can come up with. She should rot in hell for turning a blind eye to her own daughter's abuse.

Brooke's mother, as far as we know, was not directly aware of any abuse, and we don't know that Gagnon, Brooke's former step father abused her or not...but with an admitted stash of 5 years worth of porn and having had sex w/AR...it isn't a stretch to believe he abused Brooke as well. But, yes she failed her daughter in many, many, many ways and I for one hope that she is shunned by her neighbors. She is NO VICTIM and if she gets sympathy becuase her daughter was killed by a known sex predator she allowed her to associate with then all it does is encourage women to continue to favor their men over their children, secure in the knowledge that even when their children are harmed, they will still get sympathy.

I think AR is broken beyond repair, I see a bleak future for her no matter how much therapy she gets.

[w1df10wr]

Did anyone else notice that Brooke's father said her grades dropped drastically in 7th grade?

Is it possible Jacques was already molesting her and she had threatened to tell and this is why her abduction was planned and why AR wanted her to suffer and why she had her arms crossed in the Cumberland Farms vide?

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080628/NEWS/474070131 - the end of the article says Brooke did not have an easy time going from a small Braintree elementary school to 7th grade at larger Randolph Union High School.

Maybe AR tried out for a sport and Brooke made that team instead? Maybe Juv2 made a comment about Brooke and Juv1/AR was upset about it.

[vickycopsy]

Has there been any photos of Denise available? I have seen photos of Cassandra, but not Denise. For some reason, I want to see what she looks like, to put a name with a face I guess. And Gagnon, I have not been able to find a picture of him either!

[gigi2009]

Was Brooke's cell phone ever found? I'm thinking MJ or AR must've gotten rid of it. They had to cover up the texts that AR forwarded to Brooke. Wherever that cellphone is ( if it hasn't been found) I bet there's more evidence along with it. They must have a some sort of place to stash stuff.

[evelyn24]

Her grades rebounded, so I seriously doubt Jacques was molesting her, and causing her grades to drop.

"She had some issues, but she ended up with passing grades. She turned it around all right.”

I also do not think Brooke was killed by the machine. I think she fought back when he tried to restrain her, and it ticked off MJ, and he killed her before he had a chance to do anything too involved with her.

[Busylady]

I don't think its a screen, I think its a vent thing for the porch overhang. My parents have one like that on their back porch overhang.

I can't imagine why that screen is there. I don't imagine LE put it there and it doesn't look damaged like the wind tossed it or something. It is laying pretty flat on the roof anyway. Just thought it looked very out of place.

[TisHerself]

I have never seen so many marriages, divorces, etc in one family before.


I was just thinking the exact sme thing!

[Tom'sGirl]

Has there been any photos of Denise available? I have seen photos of Cassandra, but not Denise. For some reason, I want to see what she looks like, to put a name with a face I guess. And Gagnon, I have not been able to find a picture of him either!
I have none of Denise stored, and only the sketch published of RG.

[Busylady]

Brookes cellphone was left at her home.

Was Brooke's cell phone ever found? I'm thinking MJ or AR must've gotten rid of it. They had to cover up the texts that AR forwarded to Brooke. Wherever that cellphone is ( if it hasn't been found) I bet there's more evidence along with it. They must have a some sort of place to stash stuff.

[HarvestMoon]

Gosh, I am almost sorry I asked what a snuff film was! I am horrified...just horrified. Thanks for the quick replies everyone.

I also have another question, after I read the affidavits, am I correct in understanding that A.R. was M.J.'s step-daughter and that the two of them were in love??? Is this correct? She is not his biological daugher I hope? (Of course, sexual molestation is bad no matter who does it) but if he is A.R.'s biological father I just want to vomit.

I know what you mean Vicky, I'm sorry that I saw a picture of that sex machine. :(

[Tom'sGirl]

I also do not think Brooke was killed by the machine.
The machine which listed for $795 was delivered to the Jacques home, however it may have been set up elsewhere.

Another thought, perhaps MJ had photograped all of his sexual tools set up elsewhere and that may have led to where BB was found????

[gigi2009]

Brookes cellphone was left at her home.

Thankyou!

[Busylady]

According to this article which refers to court records Jacques would of been 15 when he began molesting his sister, and at 18 was charged for the crime and it was dismissed.

Jacques’ involvement in alleged sex crimes dates back to 1985, court records show.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080704/NEWS01/80704001/1009

According to a police affidavit charging him with lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor in 1985, Jacques engaged in more than 100 sex acts with an underage female relative over three years when he was a teenager.

The relative became pregnant and had an abortion, the affidavit said. Prosecutors eventually dismissed the case.

[Busylady]

I wonder if upstairs some some type of code word for a different location? The emails in the affidavit refer to upstairs also?

[gigi2009]

I couldn't even bring myself to take a look at the machine, just the names alone on the affidavit freaked me out.

I think they must've have had some sort of code Busylady, iirc, they also referred to "phone company". Whomever that might be.

[Floh]

According to this article which refers to court records Jacques would of been 15 when he began molesting his sister, and at 18 was charged for the crime and it was dismissed.

Jacques’ involvement in alleged sex crimes dates back to 1985, court records show.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080704/NEWS01/80704001/1009

According to a police affidavit charging him with lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor in 1985, Jacques engaged in more than 100 sex acts with an underage female relative over three years when he was a teenager.

The relative became pregnant and had an abortion, the affidavit said. Prosecutors eventually dismissed the case.

The legal system in Vermont staggers me.

[Chica]

I don't think its a screen, I think its a vent thing for the porch overhang. My parents have one like that on their back porch overhang.

It is definitely a screen, IMO, off the middle window, as you can see the 'window panes' much more clearly than the other windows.

[SeriouslySearching]

My very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
Was Brooke's mother stated in the article and on video that she viewed Brooke's body, or did she mean that she "viewed" her in a vision???.





Braintree, Vermont - July 5, 2008
"I actually viewed her yesterday and it's just.... I felt her.

The article and video link;
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623432


Love and Respect,
dark_shadowsIt is a curious statement if she was in severe decomp. I don't know if they can do much repair in that state...so I don't know.

If she was able to be "viewed" then I would have to think that maybe she either didn't die the first days or there must be another explanation for it. I find it odd tho. It just doesn't fit with what LE said for some reason.

[fran]

The machine which listed for $795 was delivered to the Jacques home, however it may have been set up elsewhere.

Another thought, perhaps MJ had photograped all of his sexual tools set up elsewhere and that may have led to where BB was found????

Maybe the 'elsewhere' is the 'sugar house?'

Just a thought
fran

[dark_shadows]

Here is another piece of inside information that I have. I was hanging out with my friend who is also Cassandra's friend on Wednesday night June 25th. I remember the time and date precisely because we were waiting in line for our turn to do videos at a Survivor Open Casting Call that was at the University mall in Burlington, VT.

Anyway, We got there at around 5:30 PM, and we had been there around 30 minutes when my friend got a call on his cell phone. It was Cassandra very upset, crying, saying Brooke was missing and asking if my friend had seen her daughter. I don't know why she called my friend because he doesn't really know her kids. I think he was and still is a source of daily support for her and she thought just in case he had happened to see her daughter since he had driven up to Burlington that day.

It worried my friend but he couldn't really do anything. So anyway, she was crying and just about hysterical at 6pm regardless of when or who actually reported her missing.

For her to call my friend about her missing daughter meant to me that she was basically calling everyone in her phone book.

Was Brooke's cell phone ever found? I'm thinking MJ or AR must've gotten rid of it. They had to cover up the texts that AR forwarded to Brooke. Wherever that cellphone is ( if it hasn't been found) I bet there's more evidence along with it. They must have a some sort of place to stash stuff.

Dearest Gigi,:blowkiss:

It was reported that Brooke's mother said she left the phone at home.

MissVT77 stated that Brooke's mother went through Brooke's phonebook.

I wonder if Brooke's mother also went through the text messages, numbers called, calls recieved and the photos stored on Brooke's phone.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Busylady]

I know nothing at all about sugarshacks would there be sticky stuff from tapping the trees on the ground? Could a shovel of been found that had that residue on it mixed with the dirt? I lean more towards there was a picture of some kind that had to do with the sugarshack area, just trying to think of different things that would lead the police there.

[Medea]

Jacques younger relative refused to testify, most probably pressured by family, I don't see how this can be blamed on the state of Vermont. They almost assuredly only had her testimony as evidence against him.

The problem appears to be the mindset of the community itself, which welcomed him back not once but twice, first after being accused of molesting his younger relative for five years and then after pleading guilty to aggravated kidnapping and rape.

[SeriouslySearching]

According to this article which refers to court records Jacques would of been 15 when he began molesting his sister, and at 18 was charged for the crime and it was dismissed.

Jacques’ involvement in alleged sex crimes dates back to 1985, court records show.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080704/NEWS01/80704001/1009

According to a police affidavit charging him with lewd and lascivious conduct with a minor in 1985, Jacques engaged in more than 100 sex acts with an underage female relative over three years when he was a teenager.

The relative became pregnant and had an abortion, the affidavit said. Prosecutors eventually dismissed the case.Where is the article or whatever it was that stated his victim was 8? I know I didn't dream that! We had an entire discussion of his being 11 yo when he started.

[Medea]

Where is the article or whatever it was that stated his victim was 8? I know I didn't dream that! We had an entire discussion of his being 11 yo when he started.

That is what I remember as well. The accusations were brought to police when she was 15 and he was 18, but she said he had been molesting her since she was 8, which would have made him 11 at the time.

[gigi2009]

Thankyou so much DS-- so much info that things get by me.

[TisHerself]

I still have trouble understanding how Jim Bennett, being in LE, knowing about MJ's history, didn't do more to ensure his daughter's safety. I just don't get it.

I also wonder what kind of dynamic was going on between AR and her mother. Something is extremely "off" with Denise. I'm sorry but if I saw a sex toy in my 14yo's room and she told me she was "holding" it for a friend, boy, that would be a very long conversation indeed.


You are right something is very off with Denise, a 9 yr old being sexually abused by a guy who was obviuosly into some sick stuff. The child has to have shown some signs that something was very wrong, how did her mother not know that something was not right with her child?

[angelwngs]

Maybe the 'elsewhere' is the 'sugar house?'

Just a thought
fran

That is what I have been thinking as well... If so, a mention of it in an email or note or a picture of it in the home somewhere could have lead LE to find her body rather easily if the sugar house was indeed close to property owned by MJ's family as a poster here earlier suggested.

[fran]

FWIW, it seems the statute they're going to try MJ under is the Adam Walsh Act.

fran


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/2008_07_06_Brooke_Bennett_case_could_give_Vermont_ second_look_at_death_penalty/

Vermont Law School professor Michael Mello, an expert on the death penalty, said it could be the first time federal prosecutors seek the death penalty using changes to federal law included in The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.

[Tom'sGirl]

Maybe the 'elsewhere' is the 'sugar house?'

Just a thought
fran
In the photo thread a photo was taken near a 'SugarHouse"

I posted that orignally before it had been released the Brooks body was found, I just got a 'hinky' feeling when I got the AP alert and unfortunately that was the case.

[dark_shadows]

It is a curious statement if she was in severe decomp. I don't know if they can do much repair in that state...so I don't know.

If she was able to be "viewed" then I would have to think that maybe she either didn't die the first days or there must be another explanation for it. I find it odd tho. It just doesn't fit with what LE said for some reason.
Thank-you my very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
That is why I brought it up again. When I posted the link for the story, I bolded her mother's statement about viewing her daughter.
Brooke may have been held captive for days, in the sugar house or somewhere secluded.

We might just find out that she did not pass away the day she went missing.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[calidreamin]

Thank-you my very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
That is why I brought it up again. When I posted the link for the story, I bolded her mother's statement about viewing her daughter.
Brooke may have been held captive for days, in the sugar house or somewhere secluded.

We might just find out that she did not pass away the day she went missing.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Oh you could be so right DS, she could have been held for a few days first. That is a horrible thought and I hope not.:(

[Busylady]

I think you are right it is a screen, window panes are much brighter in the middle window. First glance I thought it was a vent like my parents house, thanks for pointing out the window panes. In addition it appears the frame around the front door is broken? Wondering did police break in the door?

It is definitely a screen, IMO, off the middle window, as you can see the 'window panes' much more clearly than the other windows.

[SeriouslySearching]

In the photo thread a photo was taken near a 'SugarHouse"

I posted that orignally before it had been released the Brooks body was found, I just got a 'hinky' feeling when I got the AP alert and unfortunately that was the case.That is because you are so good. :)

[Medea]

I think its highly unlikely Brooke was kept alive for days, I would suspect that once the Vermont State Police and FBI got a look at Jacques criminal record they put him high on the list of suspects and that his movements were probably watched after at least the 2nd day.

[DeltaDawn]

Now I need to go back and reread some of the initial media storys to see what what with dates , ages, etc. This case is so shockingly disgusting that I can't keep it all straight as well as I usually do. Thank goodness we have a forum so we can access past info quickly.

[Busylady]

Thats a possibility, I so badily do not want to believe that though.

Thank-you my very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
That is why I brought it up again. When I posted the link for the story, I bolded her mother's statement about viewing her daughter.
Brooke may have been held captive for days, in the sugar house or somewhere secluded.

We might just find out that she did not pass away the day she went missing.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[becca]

FWIW, it seems the statute they're going to try MJ under is the Adam Walsh Act.

fran


http://www.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/2008_07_06_Brooke_Bennett_case_could_give_Vermont_ second_look_at_death_penalty/

Vermont Law School professor Michael Mello, an expert on the death penalty, said it could be the first time federal prosecutors seek the death penalty using changes to federal law included in The Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.
its well written and very hard to defend against.

[TisHerself]

For her to call my friend about her missing daughter meant to me that she was basically calling everyone in her phone book.


This is a 12 yr old child we are speaking about 12 yrs old! why on God's sweet earth was she wandering around VT supposidly going to visit some mythical friend's relative in a hospital. Why did her mother know nothing about this? she had no clue who this friend was. Her 12 yr old daughter was missing ALL day she does not even call the police someone else has to at 9PM.
So she calls some people and is upset forgive me if that does not gather any sympathy from me. I just want to repeat again she was 12 yrs old, she should not have been anywhere without her mother's knowledge.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think you are right it is a screen, window panes are much brighter in the middle window. First glance I thought it was a vent like my parents house, thanks for pointing out the window panes. In addition it appears the frame around the front door is broken? Wondering did police break in the door?
Door frame seems intact Busy, I can better view it from my computer. There is crime tape there, maybe that's what you're seeing ???

[DeltaDawn]

I think by the time line she was already dead. She was abducted on the 25th. She was reported missing that evening. The police even spoke with Jacques that evening.

Then he calls them back as early as 1AM on the 26th playing the concerned uncle, but LR knew better.

By later on the 26th they have already started the forensics on his computer. He had no real time from the time he was first alerted to LE knowing to do anything without the cops being aware of it. I think this is when he was scurrying around trying to figure how to download to RG, dump his own hard drive and still have the film intact on RG's computer and his missing hard drive.

I am sure she was gone by sometime on the 25th and that it was part of the filming. I think it happened at his house, I think he cleaned up what he could immediately and by the time Cassandra is speaking with police he had already started talking with Ray G.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think its highly unlikely Brooke was kept alive for days, I would suspect that once the Vermont State Police and FBI got a look at Jacques criminal record they put him high on the list of suspects and that his movements were probably watched after at least the 2nd day.While we see them do this on tv all the time, the truth is...they don't. You can look at the Peterson case and know that they SHOULD have followed DP when he took off on his "trip", but they did not.

The photo TG posted was listed on July 2. They didn't start digging around that place until at least June 30th. She went missing on the 25th. So there could be a couple of days or so where he could have been keeping her alive.

Maybe the plan was to keep her alive until Ray could get up there. Until we know the TOD officially or they come out and say she was killed on the day she went missing...anything is possible.

[TisHerself]

I believe this whole plot was very well planned..for atleast 1 to 2 months. The equipment, the story of getting her to the house, the story of where she was, the planting of evidence and gathering of that evidence from AR's boyfriend..these were not last minute or spur of the moment accidents. Brooke was supposed to die a horrible death due to sex and that machine. MJ's mind had become so warped that this was the ultimate act for him. And he would have taped it, because that would be the trophy. Somewhere they will find evidence and be able to view much of what went on that day..unless it was totally destroyed..but my bet is it was downloaded to Gagnon's computer on the internet and that is why that computer is missing. It was never in the safe..nor will it be now. It is somewhere hidden.


Totally agree with what you said.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is a 12 yr old child we are speaking about 12 yrs old! why on God's sweet earth was she wandering around VT supposidly going to visit some mythical friend's relative in a hospital. Why did her mother know nothing about this? she had no clue who this friend was. Her 12 yr old daughter was missing ALL day she does not even call the police someone else has to at 9PM.
So she calls some people and is upset forgive me if that does not gather any sympathy from me. I just want to repeat again she was 12 yrs old, she should not have been anywhere without her mother's knowledge.When my child was 12 yo, if she was at a friend's house...I called frequently to "check in" with her. For starters, she would have had her cell phone with her at all times. Next, I would have called first thing that morning to verify any plans they might have for the day and make arrangements for her coming home later. I would have talked to the *cough* adult in charge about those plans.

For a mother who ALWAYS knew where her children were...she sure never bothered to pick up the phone to ask until it was essential for her to do so.

[Medea]

While we see them do this on tv all the time, the truth is...they don't. You can look at the Peterson case and know that they SHOULD have followed DP when he took off on his "trip", but they did not.

The photo TG posted was listed on July 2. They didn't start digging around that place until at least June 30th. She went missing on the 25th. So there could be a couple of days or so where he could have been keeping her alive.

Maybe the plan was to keep her alive until Ray could get up there. Until we know the TOD officially or they come out and say she was killed on the day she went missing...anything is possible.


I have a feeling they are not going to be able to get a very tight TOD based on the strange wording they gave about 'believing' it was Brooke, etc. though sometimes too much is read into the literal language that people under stress use...it could mean nothing, it could mean her body was seriously decomposed.

On what date did they get the search warrent for his home/computer? You could back it up by probably 12-24 hours from that time as to when he became a prime suspect?

Also, SP didn't have a record and everyone who knew him thought he was a charmer, even his in laws...not sure that parallels a known sex offender in terms of how/when police look at him

[philamena]

People don't realize its someone that the family or at least the child knows... not some stranger. The predators are living and working with the children.

Shout if from the roof tops, sista.:clap:
That's what parent's don't 'get'. :banghead:
Most sexual abusers know their victims.:furious:
Parents need to learn to protect their children.

[DeltaDawn]

While we see them do this on tv all the time, the truth is...they don't. You can look at the Peterson case and know that they SHOULD have followed DP when he took off on his "trip", but they did not.

The photo TG posted was listed on July 2. They didn't start digging around that place until at least June 30th. She went missing on the 25th. So there could be a couple of days or so where he could have been keeping her alive.

Maybe the plan was to keep her alive until Ray could get up there. Until we know the TOD officially or they come out and say she was killed on the day she went missing...anything is possible.


By the timeline thread they were already checking Jaques computers, etc and AR was already starting to cave.

I think LE was letting them talk until they had the body recovered, but they knew by the end of the 26th they had their perps. I think they may even have the film or parts of it..I do believe that there has been a film and money involved in this. I also think the machine was used. Nobody spends that sort of money on something like that and doesn't use it. The take down and tie up , I think, referred to getting Brooke into position and tied and cuffed to this machine. I still think AR may have helped with tht and then been told to leave. I don't think she knew it result in Brooke's death..maybe injury and torture, but not death.

[Tom'sGirl]

I have a feeling they are not going to be able to get a very tight TOD based on the strange wording they gave about 'believing' it was Brooke, etc. though sometimes too much is read into the literal language that people under stress use...it could mean nothing, it could mean her body was seriously decomposed.
I agree with you on any definate TOD, unless AR or someone else knows exactly when it happened.

As to decomp, I don't live in that area so please correct me if I mis-read, but the temps recorded for that week following 6-25-08 were mild.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have a feeling they are not going to be able to get a very tight TOD based on the strange wording they gave about 'believing' it was Brooke, etc. though sometimes too much is read into the literal language that people under stress use...it could mean nothing, it could mean her body was seriously decomposed.

On what date did they get the search warrent for his home/computer? You could back it up by probably 12-24 hours from that time as to when he became a prime suspect?

Also, SP didn't have a record and everyone who knew him thought he was a charmer, even his in laws...not sure that parallels a known sex offender in terms of how/when police look at himDP had a dead exwife tho and a sister-in-law who had already reported to LE that he had lied repeatedly about different things before they ever questioned him. He was their immediate suspect even if they didn't say so. Last person to see her alive.

[Carrington]

Well, we know MJ was free to roam around and find the "evidence" all by his lonesome.
IMO

[Leila]

I am wondering if they possibly got divorced, but then got back together just never remarried, then after he came home from being deployed they decided to make it legal type thing? Nikolas was born during that period so obviously they were still together.

I'm just trying to catch up with today's thread (busy with two grandchildren), but I think this is a very likely scenario. It's probable that for some reason James and Janet were divorced, but remained friends. Over the years, whatever problems led to their divorce were resolved, they still loved each other a child, and then made a commitment to re-marriage.

I noted that at the vigil on Tuesday evening, when James spoke to those attending, he was carrying a small child. It appears that he and Janet have had another child since their re-marriage.

[Medea]

I agree with you on any definate TOD, unless AR or someone else knows exactly when it happened.

As to decomp, I don't live in that area so please correct me if I mis-read, but the temps recorded for that week following 6-25-08 were mild.

That's what I thought, I am mystified as to the strange language the police used about finding Brooke, but maybe we're all reading too much into it, or not.

I haven't been able to come up with a good explanation for why or how Jacques thought AR's boyfriend's semen was going to help him....he's the dumbest wanna be criminal mastermind to come along in quite a while. Another reason I don't think he was able to keep Brooke alive beyond possibly a handful of hours. IMO she was dead by the time she was reported missing.

[Carrington]

Janet looked Pregnant to me.

[angelwngs]

Timeline Thread-Originally Posted by Seriously Searching
sniip~quote-
[9:26 p.m.: Jacques makes the first of four phone calls that evening to Raymond Gagnon, a close friend and Bennett's former stepfather, who is now living in Texas. Jacques supplies Gagnon with Bennett's MySpace username and password. Gagnon logs onto her profile twice later, police say, and changed her password to the account.]end quote ~snip

This makes me wonder. Obviously, since Gagnon has had sex w/AR, MJ had power over Gagnon to influence him to assist in this attempted cover-up, but why did he/they choose Brooke? MJ had visited Gagnonseveral times in Texas. MJ had shared photographs of AR and her young boyfriend having sex.
In addition to being monsters, sexually preying on children, both men have one other thing in common. They both have step-daughters and one of them has a step-daughter who he has 'successfully' brainwashed into participating for several years in what she believes to be a sexring.

Do you think Brooke was initially chosen because MJ had a step-daughter under his control and Gagnon wanted the same?

In the beginning do you think that MJ could have encouraged Gagnon's participation by convincing him that he (MJ) would capture Brooke, train her and then send her to him?

[Medea]

In looking at the timeline I guess it is possible that Jacques was not the prime suspect until possibly the 27th or even 28th based on police statements and when they got the computer forensics. So it is possible that he kept Brooke alive for maybe a day and then killed her when things started to get too hot, though I still tend to think she died that first day/night.

[evelyn24]

I'm pretty sure LE was onto sicko uncle as soon as they ran a check on him.
I don't think he had the opportunity to keep her somewhere and keep going back to visit her.
Considering she was buried, I think she was killed the same day she went missing.
I don't think he necessarily planned on keeping her alive for days anyway.
I think all the planning was for one thing..to throw the LE off in another direction so not to suspect him after he killed her.
Why else would he plant clothes in the opposite direction with bloody panties, and semen on a tissue (that he requested AR get on the 23rd) if he didn't want LE to think she was probably dead and gone.
I think his plan was to rape, torture and kill Brooke, and be done with it. Not to keep her somewhere for days.
He knew as soon as she went missing, the LE would be called, and be all over the area.
Noway he planned on her being tied up somewhere near his home alive for days.
He focused on Brooke and she became his fantasy, and he knew he'd have to kill her to get her to be with him sexually, because she'd tell on him. All the planning was for that one day, the day he took her , raped her, and killed her, and that's it...no plans for extented abuse over days.
That's my opinion.

[becca]

That's what I thought, I am mystified as to the strange language the police used about finding Brooke, but maybe we're all reading too much into it, or not.

I haven't been able to come up with a good explanation for why or how Jacques thought AR's boyfriend's semen was going to help him....he's the dumbest wanna be criminal mastermind to come along in quite a while. Another reason I don't think he was able to keep Brooke alive beyond possibly a handful of hours. IMO she was dead by the time she was reported missing.

the semen would lead LE to AR's boyfriend.... when Brooke was found they would do a rapekit ... must have been him.... couldn't be any other explanation for the semen being there. SETUP.

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree with you on any definate TOD, unless AR or someone else knows exactly when it happened.

As to decomp, I don't live in that area so please correct me if I mis-read, but the temps recorded for that week following 6-25-08 were mild.

June

25-78
26-73
27-81
28-73
29-81
30-71

July

1-77
2-80


Still on the warm side. Nights ranged from 52 - 62 degrees.

[DeltaDawn]

No I think the whole purpose was to take pics and film the rape, torture and death by sex of a 12 year old child..just sick fun for profit for this crew.

[Carrington]

http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html

-Newser) – Vermont authorities found the body of a missing 12-year-old girl in a fresh grave yesterday"

FRESH

[Tom'sGirl]

I noted that at the vigil on Tuesday evening, when James spoke to those attending, he was carrying a small child. It appears that he and Janet have had another child since their re-marriage.
Yes, that would be Cyrus

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, we know MJ was free to roam around and find the "evidence" all by his lonesome.
IMOGood point!

[becca]

Timeline Thread-Originally Posted by Seriously Searching
sniip~quote-
[9:26 p.m.: Jacques makes the first of four phone calls that evening to Raymond Gagnon, a close friend and Bennett's former stepfather, who is now living in Texas. Jacques supplies Gagnon with Bennett's MySpace username and password. Gagnon logs onto her profile twice later, police say, and changed her password to the account.]end quote ~snip

This makes me wonder. Obviously, since Gagnon has had sex w/AR, MJ had power over Gagnon to influence him to assist in this attempted cover-up, but why did he/they choose Brooke? MJ had visited Gagnonseveral times in Texas. MJ had shared photographs of AR and her young boyfriend having sex.
In addition to being monsters, sexually preying on children, both men have one other thing in common. They both have step-daughters and one of them has a step-daughter who he has 'successfully' brainwashed into participating for several years in what she believes to be a sexring.

Do you think Brooke was initially chosen because MJ had a step-daughter under his control and Gagnon wanted the same?

In the beginning do you think that MJ could have encouraged Gagnon's participation by convincing him that he (MJ) would capture Brooke, train her and then send her to him?
I don't think so, he lives in a room of someone else's house with people around it would be hard to explain a slave.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?

[Medea]

the semen would lead LE to AR's boyfriend.... when Brooke was found they would do a rapekit ... must have been him.... couldn't be any other explanation for the semen being there. SETUP.

How could he be sure that Juvenile 2 would NOT have an alibi, though? If say, the BF went straight home or to a party, then it would be pretty obvious he didn't kill Brooke.

That means Jacques is either really stupid and overthought it or Juvenile 2 is more involved..Jacques knows Juvenile 2 does NOT have an alibi for the time of Brooke's death because he was with him.

Though, trying to get into the demented mindset of a demented fool like Jacques may be pointless. He has incriminated himself more than if he just drove her to the woods, raped and killed her and dumped her body without an email trail outlining his plans and the involvement of at least 3 other people to some degree.

[HarvestMoon]

I don't think so, he lives in a room of someone else's house with people around it would be hard to explain a slave.

I think he still owns an empty house somewhere.

[DeltaDawn]

Copied from SS's timeline thread on this forum:


SNIP/
June 26:

1 a.m.: Jacques leaves a message for a state police detective inquiring about the state of the investigation.

Sometime during the day, Jacques tells state police that he found one of Bennett's sneakers on the side of a road in Brookfield. Police later find blood, semen and torn girl's underwear nearby - evidence they now believe Jacques planted.

5:25 p.m.: An Amber Alert - the state's first - is issued by state police for Bennett. The FBI becomes involved in the case.

The second juvenile female, whom Jacques is accused of sexually assaulting over a period of five years, tells police she lied to them about going to Dunkin Donuts with Jacques after dropping Bennett off.

Forensic analysis begins on Jacques' laptop computer. Police first discover the "Chevy Truck" e-mail alias that he used in communication with the second juvenile female. Jacques tells police that the hard drive for his desktop computer is missing because it malfunctioned and he brought it to a Best Buy in Lebanon, N.H. to be repaired or replaced.



June 27:

10:30 a.m.: Police announce the discovery of Bennett's sneakers at a press conference in Burlington. They ask anyone who saw her that morning in Randolph on June 25 to come forward.

Police dive teams search the area of Sunset Lake near the Floating Bridge in Brookfield. Police say they are focusing on a person that Bennett may have been communicating with via MySpace, but stopped short of calling it abduction.

After a police inquiry, representatives of Best Buy say there is no record of Jacques dropping off a computer hard drive.

/SNIP

By the end of the day on the 26th they knew they had their guy, Jacques. They were waiting to find Brooke's body and then see who else popped into this investigation....RG and Kevin. That's what I think anyway. So I don't see how he had time on the 26th to kill and dispose of Brooke..that all had to take place during the day and evening of the 25th.

What a fool Jacques was to play the concerned uncle calling the police, etc..insinuating himself into the investigation. Of course he thought he was being wise in doing this..but he was wrong. They didn't even have to try to find him..he was hiding in plain sight. What a disgusting peice of filth.

[SeriouslySearching]

Timeline Thread-Originally Posted by Seriously Searching
sniip~quote-
[9:26 p.m.: Jacques makes the first of four phone calls that evening to Raymond Gagnon, a close friend and Bennett's former stepfather, who is now living in Texas. Jacques supplies Gagnon with Bennett's MySpace username and password. Gagnon logs onto her profile twice later, police say, and changed her password to the account.]end quote ~snip

This makes me wonder. Obviously, since Gagnon has had sex w/AR, MJ had power over Gagnon to influence him to assist in this attempted cover-up, but why did he/they choose Brooke? MJ had visited Gagnonseveral times in Texas. MJ had shared photographs of AR and her young boyfriend having sex.
In addition to being monsters, sexually preying on children, both men have one other thing in common. They both have step-daughters and one of them has a step-daughter who he has 'successfully' brainwashed into participating for several years in what she believes to be a sexring.

Do you think Brooke was initially chosen because MJ had a step-daughter under his control and Gagnon wanted the same?

In the beginning do you think that MJ could have encouraged Gagnon's participation by convincing him that he (MJ) would capture Brooke, train her and then send her to him?No. I think he was obsessed with Brooke and had this fantasy playing out in his head. I do think RG may have known about the plan tho...including the murder, but wasn't in on it other than the cover up.

[fran]

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?

IIRC, he (RG) was in Vermont on the 30th, because that's the day he called his roommate in Texas at 3 a.m.

JMHO
fran

[becca]

I think he still owns an empty house somewhere.

In Texas or Vermont?

[DeltaDawn]

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?


Sure looks like that could be him, SS..the hair line, the beard, the body posture and width of shoulders.

[HarvestMoon]

In Texas or Vermont?

Neither of those states. But I do remember seeing a picture somewhere of an empty house that he still owns.

[DeltaDawn]

Neither of those states. But I do remember seeing a picture somewhere of an empty house that he still owns.

I think it is in Alabama, if you are talking about RG .

[HarvestMoon]

I think it is in Alabama.

I think you are right.

[Chica]

Sure looks like that could be him, SS..the hair line, the beard, the body posture and width of shoulders.

OMG - SS - I owe you an apology: When I first read your comment, I wondered how you could possibly have come to that conclusion, when we never even saw a photo of RG...now, after DeltaDawn agreed with you that it could be him, I looked at the 'sketch', and you are right - it could be/probably IS RG! OMG!!!!!:eek:

[becca]

I think it is in Alabama.

If he still owns a house in Alabama you can bet its been checked out too. Brooke and Cassandra lived there with him so that wouldn't make sense either to hide her there. Its a known place. IF they were going to hide her out somewhere , its not someplace that can be tied to either one of them. But maybe someplace tied to either Denise or Cassandra ....
oh I'm going to H..l for what I just thought....

[RR0004]

Of course she will. She doesn't hold herself responsible for this any more than Cassandra does!
OMG...do you really thinks so? I can't even imagine...

[Medea]

If Gagnon was going to 'get Brooke' then he would have been in Vermont for the 'take down' and I think Jacques wanted her for himself anyway.

There isn't any evidence he was involved or had knowledge of Brooke's planned abduction before it happened. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I think he did more to help Jacques cover it up beyond a single myspace entry, but I don['t so far see his involvement in planning it.

[fran]

I believe this whole plot was very well planned..for atleast 1 to 2 months. The equipment, the story of getting her to the house, the story of where she was, the planting of evidence and gathering of that evidence from AR's boyfriend..these were not last minute or spur of the moment accidents. Brooke was supposed to die a horrible death due to sex and that machine. MJ's mind had become so warped that this was the ultimate act for him. And he would have taped it, because that would be the trophy. Somewhere they will find evidence and be able to view much of what went on that day..unless it was totally destroyed..but my bet is it was downloaded to Gagnon's computer on the internet and that is why that computer is missing. It was never in the safe..nor will it be now. It is somewhere hidden.

Ok, sincer I'm tech challenged with computers, let me ask a question for anyone who is computer savvy.....

It's my understanding that once something is on the internet, even email, it's there FOREVER. Meaning, even with email, it has to go through a main server or storage facility or whatever they call them, before it's delivered to addressee. Correct?????

SO, whatever files these two idiots may have shared back and forth between these two ISP addresses, could they be retrieved through their provider?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, LOL. The question even confuses myself. :confused:

fran

[Busylady]

It might be the tape, but the tape is yellow. To the right of the door starting about midway on the handle it looks like the door frame molding is broken its a jagged black strip? I was trying to find the original video but no luck so far.

Door frame seems intact Busy, I can better view it from my computer. There is crime tape there, maybe that's what you're seeing ???

[becca]

Ok, sincer I'm tech challenged with computers, let me ask a question for anyone who is computer savvy.....

It's my understanding that once something is on the internet, even email, it's there FOREVER. Meaning, even with email, it has to go through a main server or storage facility or whatever they call them, before it's delivered to addressee. Correct?????

SO, whatever files these two idiots may have shared back and forth between these two ISP addresses, could they be retrieved through their provider?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, LOL. The question even confuses myself. :confused:

fran

The answer in a nutshell is yes.... it can be found. Even if you delete something from your computer.... data recovery can get it back.

[fran]

If Gagnon was going to 'get Brooke' then he would have been in Vermont for the 'take down' and I think Jacques wanted her for himself anyway.

There isn't any evidence he was involved or had knowledge of Brooke's planned abduction before it happened. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. I think he did more to help Jacques cover it up beyond a single myspace entry, but I don['t so far see his involvement in planning it.

I thought this am I read an article where they interviewed an 'unknown female' at the phone # for the roommate's home. She said something about RG being very upset when his niece disappeared. So I'm leaning towards, he didn't know about the 'take down.'

Who knows what those phone calls were about. I think we'll have to wait until we see just exactly what he gets charged with. I'm pretty confident if he's ANY WAY involved in Brooke's disappearance, the FBI knows by now.

JMHO
fran

[Busylady]

Could very well be!

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?

[fran]

The answer in a nutshell is yes.... it can be found. Even if you delete something from your computer.... data recovery can get it back.

See, the problem is, BOTH harddrives are gone. The one in Texas and the one from MJ in Vermont. So, to me, that would leave the only possibility would be IF it passed through the service provider and can be retrieved from their computer records.

Does that make sense?

fran

[Carrington]

http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html

The Sugarhouse looks like a good place to hid Brooke.
Gagnon could have buried her, Juvie 2 is also a possible.

Unless AR/MJ told LE, they would have no way of knowing whose DNA they had in her underpants. Exception would be if juvie 2 had a prior.
I think Duct Tape will become a factor in this case.

[Busylady]

They are, there is an article earlier in the thread about them checking out the Alabama home and a picture of the home.

If he still owns a house in Alabama you can bet its been checked out too. Brooke and Cassandra lived there with him so that wouldn't make sense either to hide her there. Its a known place. IF they were going to hide her out somewhere , its not someplace that can be tied to either one of them. But maybe someplace tied to either Denise or Cassandra ....
oh I'm going to H..l for what I just thought....

[concernedperson]

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?

That could be him. All we have seen is the sketch with the same type of beard and this fellow in the pic has that type of beard.

[Medea]

I thought this am I read an article where they interviewed an 'unknown female' at the phone # for the roommate's home. She said something about RG being very upset when his niece disappeared. So I'm leaning towards, he didn't know about the 'take down.'

Who knows what those phone calls were about. I think we'll have to wait until we see just exactly what he gets charged with. I'm pretty confident if he's ANY WAY involved in Brooke's disappearance, the FBI knows by now.

JMHO
fran

Well, look what Jacques has on him? He surely knows about his Russian kiddie porn collection, having visited him in Texas, and he 100% knows about Gagnon having sex with AR in 07.

I'd say he probably threatened him and Gagnon helped in the cover up to protect himself...if Jacques and AR go down, Gagnon goes down too, which is exactly what happened.

However, the timing of the change he made is pretty incriminating, I can't think of anything close to a believable excuse Jacques could have given for changing Brooke's Myspace page, what possible innocent explanation could there be? And all those phone calls the night she disappeared. So who knows.

Do we know whether Jacques called Gagnon or Gagnon called Jacques? That might make a difference...Gagnon could have been saying 'dude, did you do something to Brooke' vs. Jacques calling for assistance or to give a progress report.

These men are freaking morons.

[Medea]

See, the problem is, BOTH harddrives are gone. The one in Texas and the one from MJ in Vermont. So, to me, that would leave the only possibility would be IF it passed through the service provider and can be retrieved from their computer records.

Does that make sense?

fran


It doesn't seem like either one was smart enough to use any of the anonomyzer [sp?] or other privacy technology that is out there that makes it more difficult to match up computers with online activity.

It isn't impossible to cover your tracks, otherwise there would be no internet child pornography industry.

[ladonna]

Someone posted a few pages back that Brooke's obit had been changed. I can't seem to locate that post, can someone remind what the change was please?

[evelyn24]

It's easy to hide your IP with one of those programs if you're trying to fool the average person or a website administrator looking to trace an IP. However, there isn't a program alive that could hide your IP from good computer forensics analysis. After all, the program to hide your IP is loaded onto your PC.

[Starr58]

[QUOTE=Tom'sGirl;2354555]The machine which listed for $795 was delivered to the Jacques home, however it may have been set up elsewhere.

Another thought, perhaps MJ had photograped all of his sexual tools set up elsewhere and that may have led to where BB was found????[/QUOTE


How do we know it was delivered to his home? Is that an assumption or is there proof of that somewhere?

The point of the "tools" being photographed is a excellent point

[Tom'sGirl]

Hey...is it possible that this could be RG in the background on this photo of MJ in court on the 30th? http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html (look at the photos on the left) Where was he on the 30th?
Better visual of unidentifed man in courtroom at this video.
http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=37a75e092920270e36b512881986ba22158c3542

[gigi2009]

[QUOTE=Tom'sGirl;2354555]The machine which listed for $795 was delivered to the Jacques home, however it may have been set up elsewhere.

Another thought, perhaps MJ had photograped all of his sexual tools set up elsewhere and that may have led to where BB was found????[/QUOTE


How do we know it was delivered to his home? Is that an assumption or is there proof of that somewhere?

The point of the "tools" being photographed is a excellent point


It's listed in the affidavit that the order was supposed to be delivered to his home address.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote=Tom'sGirl;2354555]The machine which listed for $795 was delivered to the Jacques home, however it may have been set up elsewhere.

Another thought, perhaps MJ had photograped all of his sexual tools set up elsewhere and that may have led to where BB was found????[/QUOTE


How do we know it was delivered to his home? Is that an assumption or is there proof of that somewhere?

The point of the "tools" being photographed is a excellent point
The amount of the order and description of what was ordered, and to where delivered was listed in the affidavit.

[RR0004]

I´m sorry if there has been a discussion about this earlier, but I´ve been thinking about where he/they actually killed Brooke. IMO it sounds very strange that they would kill her at their home where anyone could just walk in? They had relatives and friends nearby, Denise could have come home earlier etc. How did they know that they could torture and kill Brooke without any interruptions? I also believe that MJ planned to hurt Brooke not just for a day but as long as he could. Did AR tell the truth about MJ and Brooke getting upstairs? What if Brooke was never taken back to the house but they drove somewhere else?
Excellent point!

[w1df10wr]

Someone posted a few pages back that Brooke's obit had been changed. I can't seem to locate that post, can someone remind what the change was please?

Originally it said daughter of James and Cassandra Bennett. That was changed to daughter of James and Cassandra Adams, since they were not married. Hopefully they have corrected that to James Bennett and Cassandra Adams.

[jep0216]

And the evidence would be out of view of others in the house. I doubt that Denise or Savanna ever went into the attic area much.

I thought Savanna was Brooke's step-sister...why would she be at the Uncle's house?

[ladonna]

Originally it said daughter of James and Cassandra Bennett. That was changed to daughter of James and Cassandra Adams, since they were not married. Hopefully they have corrected that to James Bennett and Cassandra Adams.


Thank you so much!

[Starr58]

IIRC, he (RG) was in Vermont on the 30th, because that's the day he called his roommate in Texas at 3 a.m.

JMHO
fran

Could the murder have occured in Texas??? Maybe the sex tools were delivered there?

[HarvestMoon]

Could the murder have occured in Texas??? Maybe the sex tools were delivered there?

The tools were delivered to Jacques house in Vt.

[RR0004]

Thank-you my very dearest SS,:blowkiss:
That is why I brought it up again. When I posted the link for the story, I bolded her mother's statement about viewing her daughter.
Brooke may have been held captive for days, in the sugar house or somewhere secluded.

We might just find out that she did not pass away the day she went missing.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
I too hate to think that this poor child lived in terror for days. But, something has stuck in my mind...besides going back to MJs house and finding a "clue" as to Brooke's whereabouts (does anybody remember the exact date of the first search of the house?) shortly before finding her body...they also referred to having found earth that had been recently disturbed (or something to that effect). Locals, what was the weather like the week Brooke was missing? I know that the first aerial search had to be called off due to weather, but when I went to check weather history it kept giving me the same forecast which leads me to believe the information wasn't accurate. Had there ben a lot of rain?

[Busylady]

Because Michael Jacques is also Savannas uncle, so its feasible that she too would visit and spend time with A.R.

I thought Savanna was Brooke's step-sister...why would she be at the Uncle's house?

[Busylady]

Thanks!! I think its a good possibility that it may be RG

Better visual of unidentifed man in courtroom at this video.
http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=37a75e092920270e36b512881986ba22158c3542

[RR0004]

I have a feeling they are not going to be able to get a very tight TOD based on the strange wording they gave about 'believing' it was Brooke, etc. though sometimes too much is read into the literal language that people under stress use...it could mean nothing, it could mean her body was seriously decomposed.

On what date did they get the search warrent for his home/computer? You could back it up by probably 12-24 hours from that time as to when he became a prime suspect?

Also, SP didn't have a record and everyone who knew him thought he was a charmer, even his in laws...not sure that parallels a known sex offender in terms of how/when police look at him
Not everyone...I know people from the area who thought he was FOS...what happened didn't surprise them. He was known to be a pathological liar. He is the textbook definition of "sociopath". A word that comes to mind when I think of MJ as well.

[RR0004]

Well, we know MJ was free to roam around and find the "evidence" all by his lonesome.
IMO
Very good point!

[jep0216]

Better visual of unidentifed man in courtroom at this video.
http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=37a75e092920270e36b512881986ba22158c3542


I just pulled up 2 different screens and had the picture from the court room on one and the sketch on another and had them side by side. They really do look alike. Aside from the glasses worn in the sketch and the fact that we can't really see the top of his head (to see if he really was balding on top like the guy seen sitting back in the courtroom) they really do look like the same person. Why on earth would he be there though?

[Starr58]

[quote=Starr58;2354774]
The amount of the order and description of what was ordered, and to where delivered was listed in the affidavit.

After reviewing the affadavitts posted on Websleuths I was unable to find that information. Could someone direct me?

[RR0004]

Timeline Thread-Originally Posted by Seriously Searching
sniip~quote-
[9:26 p.m.: Jacques makes the first of four phone calls that evening to Raymond Gagnon, a close friend and Bennett's former stepfather, who is now living in Texas. Jacques supplies Gagnon with Bennett's MySpace username and password. Gagnon logs onto her profile twice later, police say, and changed her password to the account.]end quote ~snip

This makes me wonder. Obviously, since Gagnon has had sex w/AR, MJ had power over Gagnon to influence him to assist in this attempted cover-up, but why did he/they choose Brooke? MJ had visited Gagnonseveral times in Texas. MJ had shared photographs of AR and her young boyfriend having sex.
In addition to being monsters, sexually preying on children, both men have one other thing in common. They both have step-daughters and one of them has a step-daughter who he has 'successfully' brainwashed into participating for several years in what she believes to be a sexring.

Do you think Brooke was initially chosen because MJ had a step-daughter under his control and Gagnon wanted the same?

In the beginning do you think that MJ could have encouraged Gagnon's participation by convincing him that he (MJ) would capture Brooke, train her and then send her to him?
Ugh...I hate to think so!!

[Starr58]

[QUOTE=Tom'sGirl;2354781]

After reviewing the affadavitts posted on Websleuths I was unable to find that information. Could someone direct me?


I apologize ....I have located it.

[RR0004]

I'm pretty sure LE was onto sicko uncle as soon as they ran a check on him.
I don't think he had the opportunity to keep her somewhere and keep going back to visit her.
Considering she was buried, I think she was killed the same day she went missing.
I don't think he necessarily planned on keeping her alive for days anyway.
I think all the planning was for one thing..to throw the LE off in another direction so not to suspect him after he killed her.
Why else would he plant clothes in the opposite direction with bloody panties, and semen on a tissue (that he requested AR get on the 23rd) if he didn't want LE to think she was probably dead and gone.
I think his plan was to rape, torture and kill Brooke, and be done with it. Not to keep her somewhere for days.
He knew as soon as she went missing, the LE would be called, and be all over the area.
Noway he planned on her being tied up somewhere near his home alive for days.
He focused on Brooke and she became his fantasy, and he knew he'd have to kill her to get her to be with him sexually, because she'd tell on him. All the planning was for that one day, the day he took her , raped her, and killed her, and that's it...no plans for extented abuse over days.
That's my opinion.
...and it's still the STUPIDEST plan I ever heard!!

Dear, dear, Brooke...

[RR0004]

No I think the whole purpose was to take pics and film the rape, torture and death by sex of a 12 year old child..just sick fun for profit for this crew.
Somehow DD I think money may be involved.

[Dante7]

I am still uncertain as to WHAT he planned to do w/Brooke...so much planning to just kill her right off seems odd.

My own theory as well.



I think he may have had a place he was going to take her and hold her hostage, even though thats more out of a bad movie than real life,


And that's stopped people when?

there are people who keep sex slaves

Gary Heidnick springs to mind...

and this seems to make more sense given the elaborate planning he did and the getting of his step daugther involved.

Yep- the depth of the planning doesn't seem to jibe with the idea of killing her right off, or obtaining that much equipment for just one use. Hence my speculation as to her death being accidental.

[RR0004]

http://www.newser.com/story/31545.html

-Newser) – Vermont authorities found the body of a missing 12-year-old girl in a fresh grave yesterday"

FRESH
Hey,...thanks...just got to your post...it was odd that they said that, right?

I'm so trying to catch up...2 more pages to go!

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks!! I think its a good possibility that it may be RG
Except he's not wearing glasses like in the sketch.

[RR0004]

I don't think so, he lives in a room of someone else's house with people around it would be hard to explain a slave.
Also a strange environment for a child to come to for a visit.

[SailorMoon]

And we certainly know he'd have ONE HECK of an interest in MJ and where his case is going....big time.

Okay...I really hate to ask this..but I've been away from the board since Friday afternnoon. Anything ELSE freaky, strange or new developments happen or any other weird info? I took a break after the uh....purchase of the 3 toys from the website. Catch me up in a nutshell. headed back out to church in about 30 min. Appreciate it.

That could be him. All we have seen is the sketch with the same type of beard and this fellow in the pic has that type of beard.

[evelyn24]

...and it's still the STUPIDEST plan I ever heard!!

Dear, dear, Brooke...

Yea, MJ pretty much did every single thing he could do wrong.
Calling LE to ask about the investigation the next day, then finding her clothing on the side of the road.
That's text book suspicious behavior to LE.

ETA.
As far as it not making sense that he would get the machine just for one day? Well..there's always AR to use it on, you know.
After reading all the affidavits, I don't think her death was an accident on the 25th, and she was suppose to be kept for days.
Nah..all the communication I read was all about what was going to happen that one day (the 25th) and what was going to be done to Brooke. MJ even asked AR if she wanted some time alone with Brooke the day they were to take her down.
MJ didn't want the "take down" to be no later than the 25th for some reason, right?
I think having Brooke all day alone was his goal...then to mislead LE with all the myspace postings and the semen.

[RR0004]

If he still owns a house in Alabama you can bet its been checked out too. Brooke and Cassandra lived there with him so that wouldn't make sense either to hide her there. Its a known place. IF they were going to hide her out somewhere , its not someplace that can be tied to either one of them. But maybe someplace tied to either Denise or Cassandra ....
oh I'm going to H..l for what I just thought....
FBI did check Alabama connection.

[w1df10wr]

Thank you so much!

You're welcome. :)

[RR0004]

Ok, sincer I'm tech challenged with computers, let me ask a question for anyone who is computer savvy.....

It's my understanding that once something is on the internet, even email, it's there FOREVER. Meaning, even with email, it has to go through a main server or storage facility or whatever they call them, before it's delivered to addressee. Correct?????

SO, whatever files these two idiots may have shared back and forth between these two ISP addresses, could they be retrieved through their provider?

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, LOL. The question even confuses myself. :confused:

fran
I think they could feasibly know where they've been (websites accessed, etc.) but we need to find a computer guru to learn about the "saving" of files. If I'm not mistaken it's on the hardrive only.

[becca]

Also a strange environment for a child to come to for a visit.

Yes it is... now why would a mother let a soon to be 13 yr old girl go visit a man that rents a bedroom from another family? Where was she to sleep?

[RR0004]

The answer in a nutshell is yes.... it can be found. Even if you delete something from your computer.... data recovery can get it back.
Oh...well then they know a whole lot more than they released in those affidavits!!!

[Dante7]

I believe her body was most likely in advanced stages of decomp.


It's been warm and wet up here for a while, but I don't think that she would have decomposed quite that severely in that space of time.

[becca]

It's been warm and wet up here for a while, but I don't think that she would have decomposed quite that severely in that space of time.

this is going to sound morbid and not for the faint of heart... two words plastic bag.

[RR0004]

The answer in a nutshell is yes.... it can be found. Even if you delete something from your computer.... data recovery can get it back.
Without the harddrive? Good to know...thanks!

[Dante7]

[QUOTE=RR0004;2354849]I think they could feasibly know where they've been (websites accessed, etc.) but we need to find a computer guru to learn about the "saving" of files. If I'm not mistaken it's on the hardrive only.

Server may have records of transactions, whether or not they have full content would depend on what they were using. Files uploaded or downloaded directly likely wouldn't be there.

[dark_shadows]

this is going to sound morbid and not for the faint of heart... two words plastic bag.
My dearest Becca,:blowkiss:
There is another word to add to your two words....lime.


(or other farming materials to speed decomposition)


Love and respect,
dark_shadows

[becca]

Without the harddrive? Good to know...thanks!
I didn't say that .... she asked about computers... I answered.
if anything was sent thru a IP it can be found.

[becca]

My dearest Becca,:blowkiss:
There is another word to add to your two words....lime.


(or other farming materials to speed decomposition)


Love and respect,
dark_shadows

you are right... or to slow it down... depending on what you use.

[RR0004]

I just pulled up 2 different screens and had the picture from the court room on one and the sketch on another and had them side by side. They really do look alike. Aside from the glasses worn in the sketch and the fact that we can't really see the top of his head (to see if he really was balding on top like the guy seen sitting back in the courtroom) they really do look like the same person. Why on earth would he be there though?
...and it looks like he has the same jail garb on, too.

[becca]

[QUOTE=RR0004;2354849]I think they could feasibly know where they've been (websites accessed, etc.) but we need to find a computer guru to learn about the "saving" of files. If I'm not mistaken it's on the hardrive only.

Server may have records of transactions, whether or not they have full content would depend on what they were using. Files uploaded or downloaded directly likely wouldn't be there.
depends on the ISP.. just how much is kept and for how long.

[concernedperson]

I didn't say that .... she asked about computers... I answered.
if anything was sent thru a IP it can be found.

I can verify that. I had a problem and all authorities needed was my ISP provider and addresses and they can contact and go through the server.

[RR0004]

And we certainly know he'd have ONE HECK of an interest in MJ and where his case is going....big time.

Okay...I really hate to ask this..but I've been away from the board since Friday afternnoon. Anything ELSE freaky, strange or new developments happen or any other weird info? I took a break after the uh....purchase of the 3 toys from the website. Catch me up in a nutshell. headed back out to church in about 30 min. Appreciate it.
I think he was pulled in for questioning on the 30th.

[Tom'sGirl]

...and it looks like he has the same jail garb on, too.
NO, he'a wearing a tee-shirt with a logo or insignia on the left side of the tee.

[DeltaDawn]

Except he's not wearing glasses like in the sketch.

He may have been wearing contacts when he first appeared ..was the sketch done on the same day as the videos?

[RR0004]

Yes it is... now why would a mother let a soon to be 13 yr old girl go visit a man that rents a bedroom from another family? Where was she to sleep?
My opinion of that woman keeps taking a dive...

[becca]

My opinion of that woman keeps taking a dive...

my opinion doesn't have too far to go to reach the bottom.

[RR0004]

NO, he'a wearing a tee-shirt with a logo or insignia on the left side of the tee.
Good eyes...all I saw was dull blue.

I couldn't get at the second picture...

[Lola]

my opinion doesn't have too far to go to reach the bottom.

You ladies are too kind.

[DeltaDawn]

These guys are so bizarre that his hard drive may have ended up in the town dumpster. Jacques told them his computer was at Best Buy..how dumb was that knowing the next morning they could check that out..which they did. The time line shows they were already working on Jacques computers on the 26th..when he told them his other computer was at Best Buy being repaired..on the Th they checked ..Best Buy had never had his computer.

The morning of the 27Th is only 2 days from the 25Th, they had his computers on the 26th..1 day after Brooke was missing on the 25Th. And I think the fool willingly complied with that because he felt he had taken care of all evidence pointing else and the computer was clean.

Vermont and the Feds have alot more info then they have made public. I still believe that this was a sick sadistic pedophile death that was caught on film. Jacques had progressed from pedophile to torture to murder.

His plan all along was to try to frame his step daughter and her boyfriend, then RG. It just didn't work that way....he framed himself by being so involved from the get go with LE.

I say they have DNA, THE MACHINE, THE PIC/VIDEO FILES OF SAID CIRCUMSTANCE AND OTHER EVIDENCE WE ARE NOT AWARE OF YET.

[Tom'sGirl]

He may have been wearing contacts when he first appeared ..was the sketch done on the same day as the videos?
NO, it was drawn on July 2nd.............I've posted a larger and better sketch in the Photo thread.

[Tom'sGirl]

Good eyes...all I saw was dull blue.

I couldn't get at the second picture...
I have a few screen-caps from that day in court.

[w1df10wr]

Yes it is... now why would a mother let a soon to be 13 yr old girl go visit a man that rents a bedroom from another family? Where was she to sleep?

RG was step father to Brooke and her siblings for several years.

Perhaps Cassandra didn't know that he lived with another family? He had only lived there for about 6 months. There is a teenager in that household, maybe Brooke was going to stay in her room?

[becca]

RG was step father to Brooke and her siblings for several years.

Perhaps Cassandra didn't know that he lived with another family? He had only lived there for about 6 months. There is a teenager in that household, maybe Brooke was going to stay in her room?

I asked my roommate the question and she has two sons.... if you had an ex husband and he rented a room from someone else would you allow your almost 13 yr old daughter go visit in another state and she said NO WAY.
Why would I let my daughter stay with first people I don't know and second why would I let her around an older teenager that I don't know? sorry not buying the maybe she didn't know.... she had to know.

[jep0216]

NO, it was drawn on July 2nd.............I've posted a larger and better sketch in the Photo thread.


Now seeing the larger and clearer sketch, I am not convinced that the sketch and the picture of the man sitting behind MJ in court is the same person. The sketch clearly shows hair on the top of his head and the man in the court is definitely balding and has almost no hair on the top of his head.

[cheko1]

Video;



Braintree, Vermont - July 5, 2008
"I actually viewed her yesterday and it's just.... I felt her. I felt that she was still with me. It's been awful," says Cassandra Gagnon, Brooke's mother.




Brooke's Parents Speak

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623432



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Thanks for this article DS!!!

I agree the Mom needs to keep quiet!
Everytime she opens her mouth she inserts her foot a little further.

Apparently she is suggesting Denise her sister is a adult who she could trust??? Ummmm Not in this lifetime!

I''ve been gone the weekend so trying to get caught up. Not sure I can but working on it! You guys been real busy here!!!! :blowkiss:

Thank you all for your hard work!