Brooke Bennett, 12 yrs. old Randolph, VT #11

[SeriouslySearching]

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[SeriouslySearching]

Here you go: You know what amazes me...how did these two guys think they were going to get away with all this crap? The bs alibis, the paper trails, the planting of evidence? Can they really be THAT stupid? I mean all of this was so transparent to us (not to say that we're not GREAT at what we do because we are), but did they think that LE would buy this crap? Just wondering how connected MJs family is in that town. He obviously felt imperviable to all consequences.

[SeriouslySearching]

Obviously, MJ DID in fact think he could get away with this. His whole life he was given "passes" for his violent behaviors and he certainly did feel he was smarter than LE. Then again, he didn't think he needed to worry about AR and RG turning on him. I bet it came as a HUGE surprise. I believe he thought he had enough on RG not to and he thought he had complete control over RA PLUS the fact she actually participated in the abduction and maybe more...she wouldn't talk.

[Chica]

You know what amazes me...how did these two guys think they were going to get away with all this crap? The bs alibis, the paper trails, the planting of evidence? Can they really be THAT stupid? I mean all of this was so transparent to us (not to say that we're not GREAT at what we do because we are), but did they think that LE would buy this crap? Just wondering how connected MJs family is in that town. He obviously felt imperviable to all consequences.

(bolding in quote mine) I can't help but to think MJ was doing a lot of this unbeknownst to RG. If RG had any idea that Brooke was going to be hurt (much less murdered!), I just don't want to believe that he would willingly be involved with the cover-up. But what reason could MJ have given RG to convince him to go into Brooke's Myspace account and change the log in time(or whatever he did!)?

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8623432

"I have already burned myself. If I could change this I would."

What does Cassandra mean by this statement? I have never heard anyone say this before.

IIRC, Cassandra quite often 'miss-speaks', i.e., uses the wrong words - she may have a very low I.Q., which may explain (but not excuse!) a lot...

[Busylady]

I have no doubt in my mind RG knew Brooke was dead the night he talked to MJ. I also hold every adult in Brookes life equally responsible. Her mother, grandmother, father etc all knew this mans history. I realize Jim may of risked losing visitation etc but isnt that a risk you take to do everything in your power to try and protect your child. If he would of pursued this it might of even resulted in an investigation to see if his concerns of Brooke being at MJs house was a valid concern, and maybe this would of been uncovered years ago and Brooke would still be alive. He originally said it wasnt an issue and the sex offense was a charge from a long time ago, he said he didnt notice anything at family gatherings etc. So if that was his frame of mind, then he is just as responsible in my opinion and I do not think its fair to say well Cassandra failed her but Jim's hands were tied.

[Tom'sGirl]

I have no doubt in my mind RG knew Brooke was dead the night he talked to MJ. I also hold every adult in Brookes life equally responsible. Her mother, grandmother, father etc all knew this mans history. I realize Jim may of risked losing visitation etc but isnt that a risk you take to do everything in your power to try and protect your child. If he would of pursued this it might of even resulted in an investigation to see if his concerns of Brooke being at MJs house was a valid concern, and maybe this would of been uncovered years ago and Brooke would still be alive. He originally said it wasnt an issue and the sex offense was a charge from a long time ago, he said he didnt notice anything at family gatherings etc. So if that was his frame of mind, then he is just as responsible in my opinion and I do not think its fair to say well Cassandra failed her but Jim's hands were tied.
I had posted on another thread that the entire adult clan disgusted me. The plans were even in the works for Brooke to go visit her step-dad in Texas, her dad said that in an interview.

[RR0004]

I just went back and listened to the press conference from last Thursday...and besides hearing a lot of "no comments" (in so many words)...when asked when the autopsy results will be made public (made the US attorney uncomfortable IMO)...the VT attorney general stepped in and stated that the "chapter and verse of the autopsy will not be made known anytime soon"...whether it was in fact a homicide will be made known (again no time was stipulated). There were a lot of interesting questions asked, i.e., was she taken over state lines this past week?, but no answers given due to it being an "ongoing" investigation.

[RR0004]

Does anybody recollect if and how long Jim, Cassandra, and children lived together?

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry, but I do think Jim's hands were tied when it came right down to it. He did voice his concerns many times to Cassandra who did nothing. She had already taken off once with his daughter to Alabama. He was risking this again, imo. Had he known what was to happen, I have no doubt he would have grabbed this child and ran with her as far away as he could get her. He thought her having a mother was a good thing.

[nursebeeme]

hi all... wow....alot has come to light... and it just seems to get more and more disgusting! SS...I agree with your thoughts above...

[Taximom]

Hearing how Jim monitored (and closed) her myspace is enough evidence to me proving he did the best he could, IMO. I seriously can't say I know many fathers that are aware of that danger AND do something about it.

[Busylady]

I do not know, just know that Jim and Cassandra were never married. RG and Cassandra lived in Alabama from the time Brooke was 3-9 yrs of age. I do not know when Ray and Cassandra got married, or if James and Cassandra ever lived together. James and Janet were divorced in 1992 and remarried in 2004.

Does anybody recollect if and how long Jim, Cassandra, and children lived together?

[nursebeeme]

Originally Posted by RR0004 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2353317#post2353317)
You know what amazes me...how did these two guys think they were going to get away with all this crap? The bs alibis, the paper trails, the planting of evidence? Can they really be THAT stupid? I mean all of this was so transparent to us (not to say that we're not GREAT at what we do because we are), but did they think that LE would buy this crap? Just wondering how connected MJs family is in that town. He obviously felt imperviable to all consequences.


RR, I hear ya and ditto it. I am just glad that the same STUPIDITY that they used to kill a little girl has also landed them in the hooscow (old ohio slang for slammer). They are just plain stupid....AND THANK GOD!!! I just wish they had been this stupid a few days sooner...for B's sake...:furious::furious::furious::furious::furiou s::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::fu rious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious ::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::fur ious::furious:

[Chica]

Sorry, but I do think Jim's hands were tied when it came right down to it. He did voice his concerns many times to Cassandra who did nothing. She had already taken off once with his daughter to Alabama. He was risking this again, imo. Had he known what was to happen, I have no doubt he would have grabbed this child and ran with her as far away as he could get her. He thought her having a mother was a good thing.

I totally agree with you SS. In addition, IF Jim were to take Cassandra to court for custody of Brooke, chances are the Judge would talk to Brooke and put a lot of weight into Brooke's wishes, which would most likely be to stay with her mother.

[RR0004]

I do not know, just know that Jim and Cassandra were never married. RG and Cassandra lived in Alabama from the time Brooke was 3-9 yrs of age. I do not know when Ray and Cassandra got married, or if James and Cassandra ever lived together. James and Janet were divorced in 1992 and remarried in 2004.
Wow, BL...I can always trust you to get me the info- oxoxoxox

I also learned something new about Jim and Janet.

Thanks.

[nursebeeme]

I totally agree with you SS. In addition, IF Jim were to take Cassandra to court for custody of Brooke, chances are the Judge would talk to Brooke and put a lot of weight into Brooke's wishes, which would most likely be to stay with her mother.
.........and you know what sucks the most to me....? The fact that all that Brooke can ever get is hindsight...with all the broken families and fathers and mothers...and steps and co~steps, and cousins as old as tippy turtle...that is all she can get...hindsight.

i think this uncle has a more extensive past and others he has abused....

and perhaps this could be some long overdue forsight for Brooke...to find any others that have been victimized by this ABSOLUTE MONSTER...

[Chica]

I just re-read Brooke's obituary notice, and I notice they made a small change. Originally, it stated that she was the daughter of James and Cassandra Bennett. Of course, Cassandra was never a Bennett. It now reads as follows, which of course is still not correct, as it leads one to believe that James' last name is Adams:

She was born July 12, 1995 in Randolph the daughter of James and Cassandra Adams.

[SeriouslySearching]

I do not know, just know that Jim and Cassandra were never married. RG and Cassandra lived in Alabama from the time Brooke was 3-9 yrs of age. I do not know when Ray and Cassandra got married, or if James and Cassandra ever lived together. James and Janet were divorced in 1992 and remarried in 2004.Janet commented she was around Brooke from the time she was only 16 mos. old, IIRC. One would have to assume that Jim wasn't with Cassandra very long...if at all.

[RR0004]

RR, I hear ya and ditto it. I am just glad that the same STUPIDITY that they used to kill a little girl has also landed them in the hooscow (old ohio slang for slammer). They are just plain stupid....AND THANK GOD!!! I just wish they had been this stupid a few days sooner...for B's sake...:furious::furious::furious::furious::furiou s::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::fu rious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious ::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::fur ious::furious:
Well NB...if they're that stupid then that makes the people around them even "stupider" IMO (please no one jump on me for using the word stupid).

BTW...I knew exactly what a "hoosegow" meant (Love It!)...just showing my age I guess.

[nursebeeme]

Wow, BL...I can always trust you to get me the info- oxoxoxox

I also learned something new about Jim and Janet.

Thanks.

YES, THANK YOU BL......:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:ps, have you ever tried to click on the woohoo man? (above)? If you have had just two sips of a beer it is DIFFICULT LOL!!!!!:beersign:

[Chica]

I do not know, just know that Jim and Cassandra were never married. RG and Cassandra lived in Alabama from the time Brooke was 3-9 yrs of age. I do not know when Ray and Cassandra got married, or if James and Cassandra ever lived together. James and Janet were divorced in 1992 and remarried in 2004.

Good find, Busylady! This is the first I've heard about James and Janet being divorced and remarried - and divorced for 12 years, no less!!

ETA - does that mean James had an affair with Cassandra while married to Janet???

[Busylady]

Not that it matters a great deal, but I think that Cassandra and Denise are actual step sisters. Denise mother is Lucinda and father James, Cassandra father Dennis Adams and bio mother ?. Dennis and Lucinda were married and then divorced in 1981.

[SeriouslySearching]

I just re-read Brooke's obituary notice, and I notice they made a small change. Originally, it stated that she was the daughter of James and Cassandra Bennett. Of course, Cassandra was never a Bennett. It now reads as follows, which of course is still not correct, as it leads one to believe that James' last name is Adams:

She was born July 12, 1995 in Randolph the daughter of James and Cassandra Adams. They should fire the person who can't get it correct! Sheesh! Brooke deserves better!

[nursebeeme]

if they're that stupid then that makes the people around them even "stupider"


OMG THAT IS THE BEST THING I HAVE HEARD IN THIS CASE! AND ALSO IS A GREAT EXPLAINATION FOR ONE HELL OF A LOT!!! wHO SAID THAT ONE LINE...'STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES'? OH YEAH.....FOREST...FOREST GUMP.

:woohoo:seriously try to catch woohoo man.....he is FAST!

[RR0004]

Well, I guess through all her pain, Cassandra is worried about how her name will appear in the newspaper. (sorry...it could have been Jim's relatives who wanted to dissociate themselves from the woman).

I get what many are saying, I know I SHOULD feel bad for Cassandra ( to not doesn't jive with my moral structure)...and maybe one day I will...but I just can't right now.

[SeriouslySearching]

Good find, Busylady! This is the first I've heard about James and Janet being divorced and remarried - and divorced for 12 years, no less!!

ETA - does that mean James had an affair with Cassandra while married to Janet???I would like to know more about this "divorced for 12 years" stuff myself. Interesting. Busy, are you sure about that?! :eek:

[Busylady]

Thats what I am thinking, and Jim was in the military and no idea how many times he was deployed. I am sure Jim remained in contact there was an article that said he saw Brooke a couple times a year when she lived in Alabama. What I am not understanding is if Janet and James were divorced before Brooke was born and then got back together and remarried in 2004, how much would Janet of really seen Brooke before 2004. Guess that Janet and James stayed great friends after there divorce and she spent that couple times a year with Brooke also for 6 years?

Janet commented she was around Brooke from the time she was only 16 mos. old, IIRC. One would have to assume that Jim wasn't with Cassandra very long...if at all.

[RR0004]

YES, THANK YOU BL......:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:ps, have you ever tried to click on the woohoo man? (above)? If you have had just two sips of a beer it is DIFFICULT LOL!!!!!:beersign:
Oh, NB...you always make me laugh!!

[nursebeeme]

Hearing how Jim monitored (and closed) her myspace is enough evidence to me proving he did the best he could


I agree tmom

[Busylady]

No Janet and Jim were divorced before Brooke was born. Let me find the article talking about them remarrying.

Good find, Busylady! This is the first I've heard about James and Janet being divorced and remarried - and divorced for 12 years, no less!!

ETA - does that mean James had an affair with Cassandra while married to Janet???I would like to know more about this "divorced for 12 years" stuff myself. Interesting. Busy, are you sure about that?! :eek:

[RR0004]

I would like to know more about this "divorced for 12 years" stuff myself. Interesting. Busy, are you sure about that?! :eek:
Ok...my brain is fried...spell it out for me...

[RR0004]

I would like to know more about this "divorced for 12 years" stuff myself. Interesting. Busy, are you sure about that?! :eek:
I just figured what ETA meant...only took me about a thousand of hours to do it too!

[nursebeeme]

RG and Cassandra lived in Alabama from the time Brooke was 3-9 yrs of age


BL...do you happen to know (or anyone else) what took G to Texas...and how did he come to live with his roommate? I think that would be interesting to know and perhaps telling.....

[SeriouslySearching]

Thats what I am thinking, and Jim was in the military and no idea how many times he was deployed. I am sure Jim remained in contact there was an article that said he saw Brooke a couple times a year when she lived in Alabama. What I am not understanding is if Janet and James were divorced before Brooke was born and then got back together and remarried in 2004, how much would Janet of really seen Brooke before 2004. Guess that Janet and James stayed great friends after there divorce and she spent that couple times a year with Brooke also for 6 years?Brooksaunt, I believe, said that Janet and Jim went to Alabama several times a year to be with Brooke. They even thought about buying a house there to be near her. So I figured they were together for those years.

[Busylady]

Stevens explained this week that her daughter and her former and future son-in-law "had some problems a while back, and were divorced."
The distance between the two —geographically, anyway—grew dramatically wider in January, when James, a member of the Vermont Army National Guard, was deployed to Iraq for a 12-to-18-month tour of duty.
The estranged couple "started emailing each other, since he was over in Iraq, and, the next thing you know, they are getting remarried on the 19th," Nickolas’ grandma reported.

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html

[SeriouslySearching]

I just figured what ETA meant...only took me about a thousand of hours to do it too!Great! Now tell ME what it means! LOL I always thought it was "Edited To Add", but never was sure.

[RR0004]

Not that it matters a great deal, but I think that Cassandra and Denise are actual step sisters. Denise mother is Lucinda and father James, Cassandra father Dennis Adams and bio mother ?. Dennis and Lucinda were married and then divorced in 1981.
Huh??

[nursebeeme]

I just figured what ETA meant...only took me about a thousand of hours to do it too!


are you blonde like me???? LOL...I had a culminating moment last week with ETA..and I am an open heart nurse and an army wife....you would think I would be the queen of annacronysms....and you also would think I could spell annacronysms LOL...:woohoo:catch woo hoo man...

[nursebeeme]

Huh??
DUDE...I COMPLETELY DITTO THAT HUH! HUH???? WTH????? and just when I thought I had the family tree un kinked...

[Chica]

Stevens explained this week that her daughter and her former and future son-in-law "had some problems a while back, and were divorced."
The distance between the two —geographically, anyway—grew dramatically wider in January, when James, a member of the Vermont Army National Guard, was deployed to Iraq for a 12-to-18-month tour of duty.
The estranged couple "started emailing each other, since he was over in Iraq, and, the next thing you know, they are getting remarried on the 19th," Nickolas’ grandma reported.

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html

I don't see where they were divorced for 12 years though...and they have a 6 year old and a 9 year old in September 2004, so I am guessing it wasn't 12 years...

ETA (now that everyone knows what it means!heheh): This is the first I heard of this though, Busylady - GREAT find! :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Stevens explained this week that her daughter and her former and future son-in-law "had some problems a while back, and were divorced."
The distance between the two —geographically, anyway—grew dramatically wider in January, when James, a member of the Vermont Army National Guard, was deployed to Iraq for a 12-to-18-month tour of duty.
The estranged couple "started emailing each other, since he was over in Iraq, and, the next thing you know, they are getting remarried on the 19th," Nickolas’ grandma reported.

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.htmlWhat a sweet story with such a tragic ending for all of them. :( It brings tears to my eyes to think of Brooke at 9 yo. and how excited she must have been not only to see her dad, but about the wedding. Little girls always love weddings.

[Chica]

I don't see where they were divorced for 12 years though...and they have a 6 year old and a 9 year old in September 2004, so I am guessing it wasn't 12 years...

ETA (now that everyone knows what it means!heheh): This is the first I heard of this though, Busylady - GREAT find! :)

Oh for crying out loud...Brooke is the 9 year old...I better get to bed - I can't even think anymore.:blushing::slap::doh:

[RR0004]

are you blonde like me???? LOL...I had a culminating moment last week with ETA..and I am an open heart nurse and an army wife....you would think I would be the queen of annacronysms....and you also would think I could spell annacronysms LOL...:woohoo:catch woo hoo man...
Oh no...yes blond (ok with a little help)!!

...and I'm an educator...and TA...so in my book ETA means estimated time of arrival!!

Sorry for OT chatter...back to business...

[Tom'sGirl]

Stevens explained this week that her daughter and her former and future son-in-law "had some problems a while back, and were divorced."
The distance between the two —geographically, anyway—grew dramatically wider in January, when James, a member of the Vermont Army National Guard, was deployed to Iraq for a 12-to-18-month tour of duty.
The estranged couple "started emailing each other, since he was over in Iraq, and, the next thing you know, they are getting remarried on the 19th," Nickolas’ grandma reported.

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html
I think you or someone else posted this link a long way back because I read it, but no one replied???

[RR0004]

Stevens explained this week that her daughter and her former and future son-in-law "had some problems a while back, and were divorced."
The distance between the two —geographically, anyway—grew dramatically wider in January, when James, a member of the Vermont Army National Guard, was deployed to Iraq for a 12-to-18-month tour of duty.
The estranged couple "started emailing each other, since he was over in Iraq, and, the next thing you know, they are getting remarried on the 19th," Nickolas’ grandma reported.

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html
Catching Brooke's name in print made me cry...knowing that she had a whole lifetime of happy times ahead of her.

Thanks, Busylady.

[nursebeeme]

The plans were even in the works for Brooke to go visit her step-dad in Texas, her dad said that in an interview. disturbing...but makes sense!

[Busylady]

LOL - see if I can explain this one.

Lucinda
married
James Woodard
(they had 3 children that I can find Denise Woodard being one of them)
they divorce in 7/17/1974

Questionable on this one cant find a second source to verify
Lucinda then marries 8/4/1974
Harvey Searcy
have one child
divorced

Lucinda
married
Dennis B. Adams
(cannot find any children born of the marriage)
I believe Cassandra Adams is Dennis biological father from a previous marriage
they divorce 3/20/1981

Lucinda
married
Thomas A. Milne
Divorced 5/14/1995

Lucinda Woodard was born in 1950
Cassandra Adams was born in 1957 or 58 - she can not possibly be the child of Lucinda and it explains why Cassandra maiden name shows Adams on birth records for Brooke.


Huh??

[Chica]

LOL - see if I can explain this one.

Lucinda
married
James Woodard
(they had 3 children that I can find Denise Woodard being one of them)
they divorce in 7/17/1974

Questionable on this one cant find a second source to verify
Lucinda then marries 8/4/1974
Harvey Searcy
have one child
divorced

Lucinda
married
Dennis B. Adams
(cannot find any children born of the marriage)
I believe Cassandra Adams is Dennis biological father from a previous marriage
they divorce 3/20/1981

Lucinda
married
Thomas A. Milne
Divorced 5/14/1995

Lucinda Woodard was born in 1950
Cassandra Adams was born in 1957 or 58 - she can not possibly be the child of Lucinda and it explains why Cassandra maiden name shows Adams on birth records for Brooke.

You are AWESOME! And what a gift you have for explaining this convaluted lineage - I now get it!:blowkiss:

[nursebeeme]

I know I SHOULD feel bad for Cassandra ( to not doesn't jive with my moral structure)...and maybe one day I will...but I just can't right now.



I hear ya rr~dude!

[nursebeeme]

Jim was in the military and no idea how many times he was deployed


What is Jim's real last name (I am still stuck on the first layer of family members and, quite frankly, dizzy from the confusion. I can look up Jim on the military data bases if anyone can pump out his complete name.

[RR0004]

LOL - see if I can explain this one.

Lucinda
married
James Woodard
(they had 3 children that I can find Denise Woodard being one of them)
they divorce in 7/17/1974

Questionable on this one cant find a second source to verify
Lucinda then marries 8/4/1974
Harvey Searcy
have one child
divorced

Lucinda
married
Dennis B. Adams
(cannot find any children born of the marriage)
I believe Cassandra Adams is Dennis biological father from a previous marriage
they divorce 3/20/1981

Lucinda
married
Thomas A. Milne
Divorced 5/14/1995

Lucinda Woodard was born in 1950
Cassandra Adams was born in 1957 or 58 - she can not possibly be the child of Lucinda and it explains why Cassandra maiden name shows Adams on birth records for Brooke.
Oh, thanks Busylady. So there's no blood relation...

[byomoi]

BusyLady,
EXCELLENT sleuthing!!

[RR0004]

What is Jim's real last name (I am still stuck on the first layer of family members and, quite frankly, dizzy from the confusion. I can look up Jim on the military data bases if anyone can pump out his complete name.
James Bennett

[nursebeeme]

LOL - see if I can explain this one.

Lucinda
married
James Woodard
(they had 3 children that I can find Denise Woodard being one of them)
they divorce in 7/17/1974

Questionable on this one cant find a second source to verify
Lucinda then marries 8/4/1974
Harvey Searcy
have one child
divorced

Lucinda
married
Dennis B. Adams
(cannot find any children born of the marriage)
I believe Cassandra Adams is Dennis biological father from a previous marriage
they divorce 3/20/1981

Lucinda
married
Thomas A. Milne
Divorced 5/14/1995

Lucinda Woodard was born in 1950
Cassandra Adams was born in 1957 or 58 - she can not possibly be the child of Lucinda and it explains why Cassandra maiden name shows Adams on birth records for Brooke.
Thanks BL! But dang~! I need to tape my brain back in my skull cap now LOL (sick nurse humor).. That is quite the conundrum! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Busylady]

I am wondering if they possibly got divorced, but then got back together just never remarried, then after he came home from being deployed they decided to make it legal type thing? Nikolas was born during that period so obviously they were still together.

[Busylady]

James A. Bennett

What is Jim's real last name (I am still stuck on the first layer of family members and, quite frankly, dizzy from the confusion. I can look up Jim on the military data bases if anyone can pump out his complete name.

[Busylady]

In the big picture I do not think it makes a difference, they consider themselves sisters, and Lucinda Brookes grandma. It was just driving me batty trying to figure out the age discrepancy between Cassandra and Lucinda, knew no way Lucinda could be her biological mother.

[nursebeeme]

I am wondering if they possibly got divorced, but then got back together just never remarried, then after he came home from being deployed they decided to make it legal type thing? Nikolas was born during that period so obviously they were still together. BL, could N be an R&R baby? Trust me, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of babies conceived during RandR since the war started.

[RR0004]

BL-Thanks again for another GREAT JOB!!

[RR0004]

BL...do you happen to know (or anyone else) what took G to Texas...and how did he come to live with his roommate? I think that would be interesting to know and perhaps telling.....
Good question...also widens the search for possible victims IMO.

[Busylady]

Could very well be, or could just simply be that they were together type thing. I believe when Janet says she and Jim visited Brooke a few times a year while she was in Alabama. It is also possible there is an error in the data base showing wrong year for divorce, thats been known to happen frequently thats why I always try and go to another data base to verify.


BL, could N be an R&R baby? Trust me, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of babies conceived during RandR since the war started.

[dark_shadows]

I just have to jump in here and say that James and the thing about Iraq has been posted here a few times. Also in the same article is the fact that James and Janet were married and remarried. Alot of the info about the family is from the newspaper articles, obituaries, ect. that have been linked in all of these threads. It is hard finding all of links and having them all on one thread. :(

Here is the link;

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[Busylady]

I have no clue, I thought maybe he had family there but the Gagnon name is alot more popular name than I imagined and not knowing anything else about his family its hard to trace the roots.

Good question...also widens the search for possible victims IMO.

[Busylady]

That is correct, you take names posted in articles and such and run with the names and you find additional information. Genealogy sites are wonderful tools, and I have spent the last 4 years researching my husbands family so have several paid memberships which gives access to alot of information.

I just have to jump in here and say that James and the thing about Iraq has been posted here a few times. Also in the same article is the fact that James and Janet were married and remarried. Alot of the info about the family is from the newspaper articles, obituaries, ect. that have been linked in all of these threads. It is hard finding all of links and having them all on one thread. :(

Here is the link;

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[petra]

In the big picture I do not think it makes a difference, they consider themselves sisters, and Lucinda Brookes grandma. It was just driving me batty trying to figure out the age discrepancy between Cassandra and Lucinda, knew no way Lucinda could be her biological mother.

Job well done, BL. Thank you

From the obit--


She is survived by her mother Cassandra Gagnon of Braintree, her father and step-mother James and Janet Bennett of Bethel, a sister Savanna Andress of Braintree, 3 brothers; Dennis Andress of Braintree, Nickolas Bennett and Cyrus Bennett both of Bethel, her maternal grandmother Lucinda Milne of Braintree, her paternal grandmother Arlene St. Pierre of Bethel, her maternal grandfather Dennis Adams of St. Petersburg, FL, her maternal great-grandmother Lilla Woodard of Randolph Center and her step-grandparents Osmyn and Sandra Stevens of Bethel.

[nursebeeme]

not sure if this is the one....but it is actually the only one that fits....any chance that he was with a guard or active duty unit during iraq? His latest contact number has a toledo, Ohio area code... I know that ako is slow to update with change of duty station info...

james.bennett23 (javascript:doUserDetail('james.bennett23'))SPC JamesBennettjames.bennett23@us.army.mil (james.bennett23@us.army.mil)419-320-0489National Guard OHARNG 2-107 Cav HHT

[dark_shadows]

not sure if this is the one....but it is actually the only one that fits....any chance that he was with a guard or active duty unit during iraq? His latest contact number has a toledo, Ohio area code... I know that ako is slow to update with change of duty station info...

james.bennett23 (http://javascript<b></b>:doUserDetail('james.bennett23'))SPC JamesBennettjames.bennett23@us.army.mil (JamesBennettjames.bennett23@us.army.mil419-320-0489National)419-320-0489National Guard OHARNG 2-107 Cav HHT
Dearest Nurse,:)
I just posted that.:confused:
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[nursebeeme]

I just have to jump in here and say that James and the thing about Iraq has been posted here a few times. Also in the same article is the fact that James and Janet were married and remarried. Alot of the info about the family is from the newspaper articles, obituaries, ect. that have been linked in all of these threads. It is hard finding all of links and having them all on one thread. :(

Here is the link;

http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html


Respectfully,
dark_shadows danke, DS...and sorry for repeating. I swear I have been a good girl and tried to read every post.... You rock, dude

[Busylady]

There is so many post, so many different threads, and sometimes it moves so quickly its hard to catch it all sometimes.

[nursebeeme]

Dearest Nurse,:)
I just posted that.:confused:
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I am so sorry! I didn't see you had posted that already. :loser:I am a loser...LOL

[dark_shadows]

That is correct, you take names posted in articles and such and run with the names and you find additional information. Genealogy sites are wonderful tools, and I have spent the last 4 years researching my husbands family so have several paid memberships which gives access to alot of information.
My dearest Busylady,:blowkiss::blowkiss:
I am trying to figure out how to organize those articled pertaining to the family members on a thread. Those articles have alot of info in them. Alot!
So how can the thread be done??

I used to have subscriptions for a few also. It began to get a little expensive, so I just had to go with newspaper articles. So much is found in articles and obituaries, they hold a wealth of info. A friend of mine gave me some old newspapers that his mother had whoreded for years. I spent so many hours reading through those papers and found things that I had forgotten about.

I am very proud of you Busylady.


So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

I am so sorry! I didn't see you had posted that already. :loser:I am a loser...LOL

Dearest Nurse,:):)
Lol thanks for the laugh! I really needed that.

:blowkiss:

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[nursebeeme]

My dearest Buzylady,:blowkiss::blowkiss:
I am trying to figure out how to organize those articled pertaining to the family members on a thread. Those articles have alot of info in them. Alot!
So how can the thread be done


could I suggest doing them by period of time to show progression and change in said relationships...as they certainly shifted with every puff of air in the sky...

[Busylady]

I will see if I can come up with anything, maybe go through the articles copy and paste the family member info, and then show the link? My subscription is going run out on Ancestry and I very seriously doubt I will renew at $398 bucks a year now, when I started this it was around $100 for the year and it has just skyrocketed over the last 4 years. They have added alot of new info, but I have also found alot of misinformation on dates and such, bad links to obits, things like that so have to double check everything anyway with a different data base. So think I will stick with the smaller data bases in the future.
My dearest Buzylady,:blowkiss::blowkiss:
I am trying to figure out how to organize those articled pertaining to the family members on a thread. Those articles have alot of info in them. Alot!
So how can the thread be done??

I used to have subscriptions for a few also. It began to get a little expensive, so I just had to go with newspaper articles. So much is found in articles and obituaries, they hold a wealth of info. A friend of mine gave me some old newspapers that his mother had whoreded for years. I spent so many hours reading through those papers and found things that I had forgotten about.

I am very proud of you Buzylady.


So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[missVT77]

hi all, I'm here and up again tonight! Went to a family bbq today. Nobody can really even talk about this case yet, it is so baffling and hard to accept. VT is a small world and my family is huge and from this area, so many people had connections and knew the players involved in real life.

I hope if we get autopsy results I hope they can bring me and others who are deeply upset like me some peace. Hopefully for some reason Jacques could not go through with his plan and ended up killing her quickly and painlessly.

[dark_shadows]

I will see if I can come up with anything, maybe go through the articles copy and paste the family member info, and then show the link? My subscription is going run out on Ancestry and I very seriously doubt I will renew at $398 bucks a year now, when I started this it was around $100 for the year and it has just skyrocketed over the last 4 years. They have added alot of new info, but I have also found alot of misinformation on dates and such, bad links to obits, things like that so have to double check everything anyway with a different data base. So think I will stick with the smaller data bases in the future.
My dearest Busylady,:blowkiss:
I am wondering how to get the article links that are already here. That is what I mean by the article links.:) Not for you to look them up lol.

I know that it is going to be a pain in the azz to find the links and then put them on a thread. There are so many threads here and so many posts with links.:eek:


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Busylady]

Not sure if this has been posted.

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_185230015.html

Jason Canter, who lives across the street from the address, confirmed Thursday Gagnon did reside there. He went on to say FBI agents searched Gagnon’s former residence Wednesday and questioned him about Gagnon, who Canter said he did not know.

“They kept to themselves,” he said about the Gagnons.

Local law enforcement officers declined to comment on Gagnon.

“Right now I’m really not at liberty to say much of anything about that,” said Cullman County Sheriff Tyler Roden. Cullman Police Chief Kenny Culpepper also declined to comment on the case.

Gagnon’s listing in the Cullman City Directory from 1998 to 2007 indicates he lived in Cullman for almost a decade. His address was 1628 Katherine St. NW.


This shows even more they are really checking him out!! I dont understand the 1998 to 2007 thought he had been in Texas for 4 years? Maybe directory not updated?

[w1df10wr]

not sure if this is the one....but it is actually the only one that fits....any chance that he was with a guard or active duty unit during iraq? His latest contact number has a toledo, Ohio area code... I know that ako is slow to update with change of duty station info...

james.bennett23 (javascript:doUserDetail('james.bennett23'))SPC JamesBennettjames.bennett23@us.army.mil (james.bennett23@us.army.mil)419-320-0489National Guard OHARNG 2-107 Cav HHT


http://www.rherald.com/news/2004/0916/Front_page/f01.html - that article from Sept 16th, 2004 listed Staff Sgt. James Bennett of the Vermont Army National Guard, 1st Battalion, 86th Field Artillery. Unit deployed in Janurary 2004 for 12 to 18 months. Brooke's obit lists Bethel, VT for James & Janet.

I don't think the OH James Bennett is the same one.

[dark_shadows]

Not sure if this has been posted.

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_185230015.html

Jason Canter, who lives across the street from the address, confirmed Thursday Gagnon did reside there. He went on to say FBI agents searched Gagnon’s former residence Wednesday and questioned him about Gagnon, who Canter said he did not know.

“They kept to themselves,” he said about the Gagnons.

Local law enforcement officers declined to comment on Gagnon.

“Right now I’m really not at liberty to say much of anything about that,” said Cullman County Sheriff Tyler Roden. Cullman Police Chief Kenny Culpepper also declined to comment on the case.

Gagnon’s listing in the Cullman City Directory from 1998 to 2007 indicates he lived in Cullman for almost a decade. His address was 1628 Katherine St. NW.


This shows even more they are really checking him out!! I dont understand the 1998 to 2007 thought he had been in Texas for 4 years? Maybe directory not updated?
Dearest Busylady,:blowkiss:
Thank-you very much.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[nursebeeme]

hi all, I'm here and up again tonight! Went to a family bbq today. Nobody can really even talk about this case yet, it is so baffling and hard to accept. VT is a small world and my family is huge and from this area, so many people had connections and knew the players involved in real life.

I hope if we get autopsy results I hope they can bring me and others who are deeply upset like me some peace. Hopefully for some reason Jacques could not go through with his plan and ended up killing her quickly and painlessly.
Welcome! And so sorry about what you must be going through. You say you know the players....based on what you knew of them, did you ever think something like this could have happened? If so why? And if not, what gave you good feelings about them..... I know that no one person is ever all good...and no one person is ever all bad... Rather..a series of bad choices and decisions lead to tragedy.

[nursebeeme]

Gagnon’s listing in the Cullman City Directory from 1998 to 2007 indicates he lived in Cullman for almost a decade. His address was 1628 Katherine St. NW.


This shows even more they are really checking him out!! I dont understand the 1998 to 2007 thought he had been in Texas for 4 years? Maybe directory not updated?

BL, do you think he may have had two places he lived? VT in the summer and Texas in the winter? It is also very possible that the directory has not been updated...

[missVT77]

Thanks nursebeeme. I feel lucky that I did not know anyone personally who was intimately involved in this. It is so mesed up. I just know a lot of people who did/do know them. Just friends of friends and family.

And I feel certain that nobody thought anything strange of them. I believe my cousin & wife had dinner with Micheal Jacques and his wife and two other couples maybe three weeks ago, and that is just a normal thing to do. They all behaved completely normal I would guess, otherwise something would have come out before now.

[nursebeeme]

I don't think the OH James Bennett is the same one.


My thinking was that he was assigned downrange with another guard unit (happens frequently...esp with guard and reserves) and it happened to be that Ohio unit (numbers and contact info are very slow to load between military moves).

One thing I am sure of...is that every single service member has an ako email and there was no James A.. and there were two James with no middle name....one of them being a specialist and stationed in BFE (he was active guard reserve/AGR), and the one that I think is James, with the Ohio number listed for his current unit.

[Busylady]

This gives a time frame on Cassandra and Rays marriage and living in Alabama

http://www.vnews.com/07022008/4932399.htm

Gagnon and Bennett's mother, Cassandra Gagnon, married in Alabama in 2000, and separated in 2004, according to court documents. Their divorce was finalized in 2006.

When she was 3 years old, Brooke Bennett moved with her mother to Cullman, Ala., to live with Gagnon, according to Bennett's biological father, Bethel Constable James Bennett. Bennett and her mom stayed with Gagnon for about six years before returning to the Randolph area a few years ago, James Bennett said.

[nursebeeme]

Thanks nursebeeme. I feel lucky that I did not know anyone personally who was intimately involved in this. It is so mesed up. I just know a lot of people who did/do know them. Just friends of friends and family.

And I feel certain that nobody thought anything strange of them. I believe my cousin & wife had dinner with Micheal Jacques and his wife and two other couples maybe three weeks ago, and that is just a normal thing to do. They all behaved completely normal I would guess, otherwise something would have come out before now.

dude that sucks! I am so sorry for you and your family and friends! I am sure you must feel like you have been raped and/or violated...esp when you didn't even see it coming...

dang...

My prayers, thoughts, and wishes are with you and yours. Stay strong... and I know that is advice easier given then taken....

now...to cheer you up.......pet woohoo man....I am just about ready to kick his little purple ass! He goes so fast that I cannot click on him!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::wooho o::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[Busylady]

Raymond Gagnon, who has been living on the Northwest Side for the past year

Cassandra Gagnon, Brooke's mother, said she and Gagnon were married about five years until divorcing in July 2006. She said her ex-husband moved to Alabama, then San Antonio, and that when Brooke disappeared, he traveled back to Vermont.

Raymond Gagnon had been living in a home off Bandera Road when news broke of Brooke's disappearance. A woman who answered the phone at the residence but declined to give her name said Raymond Gagnon had moved in with her and her boyfriend about one year ago. She said he worked as an engineer in San Antonio.
“He was very shocked, and he was upset that (Brooke) was missing,” the woman said.
A neighbor called Gagnon “reclusive,” adding, “I did see the FBI at his house at around 3 in the morning (on Tuesday).”
The neighbor declined to give his name out of fear of being tagged an “informant

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA.070208.1B.GAGNON.3c7c32e.html

[nursebeeme]

:rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::r ocker:BL....did anyone tell you lately that YOU ROCK?! WELL, YOU DO!

[Busylady]

The more I think about this the more I wonder are there victims in Alabama, Texas, and Vermont?

[w1df10wr]

My thinking was that he was assigned downrange with another guard unit (happens frequently...esp with guard and reserves) and it happened to be that Ohio unit (numbers and contact info are very slow to load between military moves).

One thing I am sure of...is that every single service member has an ako email and there was no James A.. and there were two James with no middle name....one of them being a specialist and stationed in BFE (he was active guard reserve/AGR), and the one that I think is James, with the Ohio number listed for his current unit.


Thank you, nursebeeme for explaining. :)

[RR0004]

I'm glad to see that the FBI working so hard...thank G-d they don't keep normal business hours! They're working their tails off trying to get as much info on this guy before they're due in court.

[nursebeeme]

The more I think about this the more I wonder are there victims in Alabama, Texas, and Vermont?
DITTO CAM ON THAT DUDE! I doubt this was the first time...it was too well planned and organized. IMHOO

[Busylady]

LOL thank you! This case has just consumed me, and I am on medical leave, cant really do much of anything so I sit here and search and search looking for answers. Next week my time will be more limited because daughter will be done with day camp, but until then I am glued to the computer.

:rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker::r ocker:BL....did anyone tell you lately that YOU ROCK?! WELL, YOU DO!

[dark_shadows]

dude that sucks! I am so sorry for you and your family and friends! I am sure you must feel like you have been raped and/or violated...esp when you didn't even see it coming...

dang...

My prayers, thoughts, and wishes are with you and yours. Stay strong... and I know that is advice easier given then taken....

now...to cheer you up.......pet woohoo man....I am just about ready to kick his little purple ass! He goes so fast that I cannot click on him!:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::wooho o::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:


Dear Nurse,:)
That dude thing that you keep saying in your posts are driving me nuts!

WTF.

Bad choice of words with saying the rape thing.
The other things also.

How old are you???

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[SuziQ]

Gagnon’s listing in the Cullman City Directory from 1998 to 2007 indicates he lived in Cullman for almost a decade. His address was 1628 Katherine St. NW.

This shows even more they are really checking him out!! I dont understand the 1998 to 2007 thought he had been in Texas for 4 years? Maybe directory not updated?

Thanks for posting this. It's good to know the FBI is picking RG's life apart.

I wonder if Kevin G and RG both lived and worked in Cullman, Al. Then transfered to Texas?

[nursebeeme]

RR...you go! You are barking up the right tree on that one! (although you always seem to be barking up the right trees on every case...you little sleuth, you!)


They're working their tails off trying to get as much info on this guy before they're due in court.

[Busylady]

In following some other cases in the past, I have to say I am so so impressed with how Vermont LE has handled this. They have done an amazing job keeping the public informed with as much information as they can, and they appear to be leaving no stone unturned.

I'm glad to see that the FBI working so hard...thank G-d they don't keep normal business hours! They're working their tails off trying to get as much info on this guy before they're due in court.

[nursebeeme]

suziQ!!! woman!!!!! hello!!!!!!! QUICK!!! SHADOW PERSON STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!!!

[dark_shadows]

suziQ!!! woman!!!!! hello!!!!!!! QUICK!!! SHADOW PERSON STANDING RIGHT BEHIND YOU!!!!!
You need to discuss Brooke's case or find some other playground to romp in, this is not the place for it.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[SuziQ]

Nurse, Thanks for the heads-up. I've been trying to catch the woohoo man all night.

[nursebeeme]

Miss Vermont.... what is the buzz in your area? (and NO I am not media or anything pertaining to it...just in case you are wondering LOL)...:-)

Have they been holding counseling sessions with kids that B went to school with? I cannot imagine how hard it must be on all the teens.....being out for the summer with no school structure and support to help out with the grief.

[nursebeeme]

:woohoo::woohoo:Nurse, Thanks for the heads-up. I've been trying to catch the woohoo man all night.
dude...you don't even know...that woohoo man is a pain in my a~s~s~`! :woohoo:

[Busylady]

In a 2006 obit it says Kevin Grosenheider of Anniston, Ala, someone who has better map skills than I do see how close that is to Cullman? Also an article states that while in Cullman it is believed Gagnon worked for REHAU, Kevin said he had known Gagnon for four years so he had to know him in Alabama. Kevin also said he had rented a room to him for 6 months, yet in the other article it states he had lived at the address for a year?

Thanks for posting this. It's good to know the FBI is picking RG's life apart.

I wonder if Kevin G and RG both lived and worked in Cullman, Al. Then transfered to Texas?

[RR0004]

LOL thank you! This case has just consumed me, and I am on medical leave, cant really do much of anything so I sit here and search and search looking for answers. Next week my time will be more limited because daughter will be done with day camp, but until then I am glued to the computer.
I know the feeling Busylady...

You are so very appreciated!

[dark_shadows]

I know the feeling Busylady...

You are so very appreciated!
My dearest RR,:blowkiss:
That is so very true. We are all proud of our Busylady.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Busylady]

This is an article about a motorcyle program that Del, Larry, Gary, and Kevin were all involved in. Says that Kevin lived in Alabama at that time but I dont find a date on there so not sure when it ocurred.

http://www.hillcountrybmw.com/Reports/BarberAMA.pdf

[SuziQ]

In a 2006 obit it says Kevin Grosenheider of Anniston, Ala, someone who has better map skills than I do see how close that is to Cullman? Also an article states that while in Cullman it is believed Gagnon worked for REHAU, Kevin said he had known Gagnon for four years so he had to know him in Alabama. Kevin also said he had rented a room to him for 6 months, yet in the other article it states he had lived at the address for a year?

Googlemaps says Anniston and Cullman are 114 miles apart.

[nursebeeme]

:saythat::puke::puke::puke: Bennett and her mom stayed with Gagnon for about six years before returning to the Randolph area a few years ago, James Bennett said.

And this is the same 'GAG~ME' that had sex with B's cousin (actually in a threesome type of thing per the affidavit).

ONE SICK BASTARD

[Busylady]

David Adams and James Soda are connected on the Public Indexes for Ray Gagnon at the Cullman address.

[Busylady]

Its further apart than I thought, but its still possible some people do drive a distance to work everyday.

Googlemaps says Anniston and Cullman are 114 miles apart.

[nursebeeme]

Cassandra Gagnon, Brooke's mother, said she and Gagnon were married about five years until divorcing in July 2006. She said her ex-husband moved to Alabama, then San Antonio, and that when Brooke disappeared, he traveled back to Vermont.



And this is the same gag~me...that was the recipient of at least three disclosed cell phone calls that lasted each, at least 20 minutes...from MJ to Gag.

NICE.

(and that info is in previous links here per phone calls)

and then we have the computer and a safe getting thrown away in between.

[RR0004]

David Adams and James Soda are connected on the Public Indexes for Ray Gagnon at the Cullman address.
Ok...now I know that Randolph is a small town...but is everyone a relative of everybody?!

[Cornflower]

I´m praying for all those people who are working with this case. They are doing an excellent job and I hope they get every help they need to deal with their thoughts about this sickness.

[SuziQ]

David Adams and James Soda are connected on the Public Indexes for Ray Gagnon at the Cullman address.

There's the Adam's name again.

Grrrrr. WS is super slow for me tonight. I'm going to sign off. Catch everyone tomorrow.

[Busylady]

I have never seen so many marriages, divorces, etc in one family before.

Ok...now I know that Randolph is a small town...but is everyone a relative of everybody?!

[Busylady]

I am wondering if it is maybe a brother to Cassandra? But with Adams being such a popular name and not knowing Cassandra's biological moms I am at a loss how to figure that one out.

There's the Adam's name again.

Grrrrr. WS is super slow for me tonight. I'm going to sign off. Catch everyone tomorrow.

[nursebeeme]

Dear Nurse,:)
That dude thing that you keep saying in your posts are driving me nuts!

WTF.

Bad choice of words with saying the rape thing.
The other things also.

How old are you???

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Dark,
So sorry if my language is offensive to you. I truly am. I am just trying to lighten the load with a little humor. All things said and done (and I am an open book), I am an open heart nurse and the wife of an army LTC with four years until retirement. I had cancer when I was 15 (hodgkin's lymphoma) and beat it. I wore a wig with two sided tape when I cheered (and it only fell off once during a performance).

I am, proudly, nearing 40 but I do not act it or feel it or live it... And I think that will keep me going, easily, another 15 years past my prime. I like to write, garden, knit, and am currently making a quilt that I started during my husband's first deployment to Iraq.

:eek:and so sorry for going OT and also sorry for offending you for saying dude.

I will behave now.......

[nursebeeme]

Dear Nurse,:)
That dude thing that you keep saying in your posts are driving me nuts!

WTF.

Bad choice of words with saying the rape thing.
The other things also.

How old are you???

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

also....sorry if I was not clear...but I was referring to VT77 and how she did not even know that something sinister was up with a person she knew in her town...I was trying to say that I could understand how she could feel violated by that..by not knowing...

again...sorry if I offended anyone.... especially VT77 And I am sorry if I did.

[nursebeeme]

You need to discuss Brooke's case or find some other playground to romp in, this is not the place for it.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

omg....I have really done something...like peeing on your cereal! Dang! I know Suziq from back in the day at Steve Huff's! SORRY AGAIN!!!!:rant: It won't happen again....

[nursebeeme]

it is believed Gagnon worked for REHAU


is that how we would google it...'rehau'? BL, do you think there are any applications, licenses, etc that he may hold or have applied for to do this type of work?

[RR0004]

Good-night all...thanks for all your help (again)!!

[nursebeeme]

good night to you too RR...and sorry if my 'dude' language offended you or anyone else... I was just trying to lighten the mood a little (which is almost impossible considering the circumstances).

Bis morgan meine freund!

[dark_shadows]

This is from today;

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080706/NEWS/80705010&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL


The fleeting life of Brooke Bennett


BETHEL — Brooke Bennett’s smile beamed from at least two dozen photographs gracing a bulletin board in the home of Jim and Janet Bennett, the 12-year-old’s father and stepmother.

On Wednesday, a few hours before police announced the discovery Brooke’s body, a single red candle burned below the pictures. A slide show of photographs, most of them cheerful ones of Brooke and her step-siblings, played across the idle screen on Jim Bennett’s computer.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

I just re-read Brooke's obituary notice, and I notice they made a small change. Originally, it stated that she was the daughter of James and Cassandra Bennett. Of course, Cassandra was never a Bennett. It now reads as follows, which of course is still not correct, as it leads one to believe that James' last name is Adams:

She was born July 12, 1995 in Randolph the daughter of James and Cassandra Adams.
Dearest Chica,:blowkiss:
The official obituary is the one from the funeral home. It is on the obituary thread. This is what it states, stiil.

http://www.dayfunerals.com/index.cfm


From the link;

She is survived by her mother Cassandra Gagnon of Braintree, her father and step-mother James and Janet Bennett of Bethel,


More at link.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Chica]

Dearest Chica,:blowkiss:
The official obituary is the one from the funeral home. It is on the obituary thread. This is what it states, stiil.

http://www.dayfunerals.com/index.cfm


From the link;

She is survived by her mother Cassandra Gagnon of Braintree, her father and step-mother James and Janet Bennett of Bethel,


More at link.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Good Morning DS!:blowkiss:

In the second paragraph, it states: She was born July 12, 1995 in Randolph the daughter of James and Cassandra Adams. But you are correct, in that the fourth paragraph states: She is survived by her mother Cassandra Gagnon of Braintree, her father and step-mother James and Janet Bennett of Bethel.

[dark_shadows]

Good Morning DS!:blowkiss:

In the second paragraph, it states: She was born July 12, 1995 in Randolph the daughter of James and Cassandra Adams. But you are correct, in that the fourth paragraph states: She is survived by her mother Cassandra Gagnon of Braintree, her father and step-mother James and Janet Bennett of Bethel.
My dearest Chica,:blowkiss:
Thanks Chica and good morning.
I missed that part!


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

A New Call for Jessica's Law in Vermont
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623135
Randolph, Vermont -- July 5, 2008
Brook Bennett's murder has brought back calls for a tougher law against adults who sexually prey on children. More than thirty states -- but not Vermont -- have enacted Jessica's law, setting a 25-year minimum prison sentence for convicted child sex offenders.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

Video;



Braintree, Vermont - July 5, 2008
"I actually viewed her yesterday and it's just.... I felt her. I felt that she was still with me. It's been awful," says Cassandra Gagnon, Brooke's mother.




Brooke's Parents Speak

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623432



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[becca]

A New Call for Jessica's Law in Vermont
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623135
Randolph, Vermont -- July 5, 2008
Brook Bennett's murder has brought back calls for a tougher law against adults who sexually prey on children. More than thirty states -- but not Vermont -- have enacted Jessica's law, setting a 25-year minimum prison sentence for convicted child sex offenders.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

considering what they have now on the books doesn't seem to be working , they need to pass Jessie's law or some thing very similar quickly.

[becca]

Video;



Braintree, Vermont - July 5, 2008
"I actually viewed her yesterday and it's just.... I felt her. I felt that she was still with me. It's been awful," says Cassandra Gagnon, Brooke's mother.




Brooke's Parents Speak

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623432



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

someone needs to keep the mother quiet. She is making herself look guilty by association. she is not going to get much sympathy if she keeps going. She didn't even call police to report her daughter missing , if I understand it .
So she knew where her children were at all times? Didn't think so.

[Taximom]

"You don't expect that kind of thing from family. It's just very hard to comprehend all of it," says Jim Bennett, Brooke's father.
==

This is another statement I have trouble understanding. When are people going to realize that sex offenders could care less if their victims are family, friends, or strangers?! This is the whole "not going to happen in my little town" mentality.

[becca]

People don't realize its someone that the family or at least the child knows... not some stranger. The predators are living and working with the children.

[SeriouslySearching]

Busylady~ I find it quite interesting that Kevin and Ray may have a connection that possibly goes back to Alabama. Birds of a feather and all that.

I noted that Kevin's fiance also has a 17 yo girl. They should certainly be talking to her, too.

[jnodrog]

Just so everyone knows, i actually drove out to the MJ home site yesterday. Verry eery feeling, the grass is really high near the road, and the house actually sits somewhat behind what is an old farm house. MJ house is on the west side of E Bethel Rd, just prior to the intersection of E Bethel Rd and Crocker Rd.

Allen

[jnodrog]

If i remember on the television they had a road closed at the intersection of Crocker Rd and Kingsbury Rd. I cant find the video anymore but i think thats what i saw. But cant remember which road the Police were actually up on.

Allen

[becca]

were they at the house? I would think they aren't done collecting evidence yet.

[Carrington]

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_185230015.html

The home is vacant. Maybe Gagnon still owns it.
:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

"You don't expect that kind of thing from family. It's just very hard to comprehend all of it," says Jim Bennett, Brooke's father.
==

This is another statement I have trouble understanding. When are people going to realize that sex offenders could care less if their victims are family, friends, or strangers?! This is the whole "not going to happen in my little town" mentality.You are absolutely right! They don't care. It isn't about anyone except themselves.

I don't know what else he could say. If he said what he actually felt right now, they couldn't print it. He must be dying inside. To come home from Iraq after seeing such horrors there to having your daughter brutally raped and murdered by her uncle...I am sure he never expected it. My heart really goes out to him. As near as I can tell, Jim is truly the only decent man in that whole family situation. (I wish he would shave his mustache tho.)

[Taximom]

I have to agree about Jim, SS. I don't think this would have happened to Brooke had she been living with him (and not because of the location).

[jnodrog]

were they at the house? I would think they aren't done collecting evidence yet.
Did not notice anyone at MJ home but let me tell you this that house is very well hidden back off the road, grass really high. There was a black car in the yard of the old farm house that sets in front of MJ home.

Allen

[Leve]

I have been following this case from the very beginning. I actually told my 12 year old niece about it because she's as much as a crime buff as I am and I wanted her to see the dangers of meeting strangers on My Space "first hand". Thank God she didn't continue to follow this nightmare!

I want to compliment all of you - you are absolutely awesome! I read mostly at work and cannot assess a lot of the links but I can always keep up due to your outstanding posts.

Now my reason for leaving lurkdom:

I keep thinking about the hospital story and the convenience store video tape. I came up with a theory on it. If JM told Brooke her mother wouldn't let her attend his "party" and meet her crush Same, she may have gone along with the hospital lie so Mom wouldn't know where she was. So she went into the store so if Mom checked her story, she wouldn't have been with JM. It would also explain why nobody saw her meeting back up with him, she was sneaking around. Also she may have appeared so odd on the video because she was aware of the camera and that usually makes people self-conscious. I hate to think that she was trcked into helping in her own kidnapping, but this just makes sense to me.

[SeriouslySearching]

were they at the house? I would think they aren't done collecting evidence yet.They are going to rip that house and the property apart looking for anything and everything they can find. Denise won't have much left when they are finished. They should rip up every floorboard and look behind every wall for additional evidence. (Remember the guy that filmed his actions and tucked it down into a vent he closed then carpeted over? Years later, someone redoing the carpeting found it. I can't recall his name or the case tho.)

[jnodrog]

The area south of MJ home on Crocker Rd has several little off side logging trails, and a few older vacan looking buildings, a couple as soon as you enter Crocker Rd and a few down at the intersection of Crocker Rd and Kingsbury Rd.

The steet signs for Crocker Rd near MJ home have been removed at some point.

Allen

[gigi2009]

I still have trouble understanding how Jim Bennett, being in LE, knowing about MJ's history, didn't do more to ensure his daughter's safety. I just don't get it.

I also wonder what kind of dynamic was going on between AR and her mother. Something is extremely "off" with Denise. I'm sorry but if I saw a sex toy in my 14yo's room and she told me she was "holding" it for a friend, boy, that would be a very long conversation indeed.

[jnodrog]

They are going to rip that house and the property apart looking for anything and everything they can find. Denise won't have much left when they are finished. They should rip up every floorboard and look behind every wall for additional evidence. (Remember the guy that filmed his actions and tucked it down into a vent he closed then carpeted over? Years later, someone redoing the carpeting found it. I can't recall his name or the case tho.)
It appears that nobody was around the MJ home definetly driveway was not blocked or police taped, but it is very hard to see up to the house from the road.


Allen

[gigi2009]

Also was the equipment that MJ ordered ever received?

[SeriouslySearching]

Did not notice anyone at MJ home but let me tell you this that house is very well hidden back off the road, grass really high. There was a black car in the yard of the old farm house that sets in front of MJ home.

AllenThanks for checking it out. Always good to hear from the locals on what is actually taking place. The old farm house must be the rental property. I wish we knew who really lives there, if anyone. The black car could very well be FBI or LE.

[gigi2009]

It appears that nobody was around the MJ home definetly driveway was not blocked or police taped, but it is very hard to see up to the house from the road.


Allen

I would think that they wouldn't allow anyone in the house until they were completely done searching. At least I hope so. I wonder if Denise will attend the funeral on Wednesday with AR.

[calidreamin]

It appears that nobody was around the MJ home definetly driveway was not blocked or police taped, but it is very hard to see up to the house from the road.


Allen

Thank you for the information, it must have been a very creepy feeling to be there in person.

[SeriouslySearching]

Also was the equipment that MJ ordered ever received?I don't believe that it would have been in the arrest warrant if not. In other words, they probably have the receipt for it, knows who signed for it, and were determined to find it since it coincided with Brooke's disappearance/murder.

[becca]

The red flags were all over the place and no one not Denise, not Cassandra not Jim no one I repeat paid a bit of attention to them. I would love to know why.... is MJ such a charmer that he had the whole family fooled? IF that is the case he's one award short of an Oscar...

[calidreamin]

I have to agree about Jim, SS. I don't think this would have happened to Brooke had she been living with him (and not because of the location).

I think you are probably right TM this probably wouldn't have happend to Brooke if she was living with her dad.:(

[SeriouslySearching]

I would think that they wouldn't allow anyone in the house until they were completely done searching. At least I hope so. I wonder if Denise will attend the funeral on Wednesday with AR.Of course she will. She doesn't hold herself responsible for this any more than Cassandra does!

[jnodrog]

I would think that they wouldn't allow anyone in the house until they were completely done searching. At least I hope so. I wonder if Denise will attend the funeral on Wednesday with AR.
There was definetly not a lot of human activity around, but you cant see the house well.
The vehicle at the farm house was an older car and didnt look like police type vehicle.

and driveways were not blocked like early on.

Allen

[SeriouslySearching]

A New Call for Jessica's Law in Vermont
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8623135
Randolph, Vermont -- July 5, 2008
Brook Bennett's murder has brought back calls for a tougher law against adults who sexually prey on children. More than thirty states -- but not Vermont -- have enacted Jessica's law, setting a 25-year minimum prison sentence for convicted child sex offenders.



Respectfully,
dark_shadowsThanks for posting this, Dark! The pressure should be applied and should get someone to actually do something now.

[jnodrog]

Thank you for the information, it must have been a very creepy feeling to be there in person.
Down Crocker rd is pretty secluded but i saw no police tape showing general area where she may have been buried.

1 ile from his home was reported i think, and that is a ways down Crocker Rd.

Allen

[calidreamin]

Of course she will. She doesn't hold herself responsible for this any more than Cassandra does! I am sure you both are right that she would show up, what an absolute disgrace.

[SeriouslySearching]

There was definetly not a lot of human activity around, but you cant see the house well.
The vehicle at the farm house was an older car and didnt look like police type vehicle.

and driveways were not blocked like early on.

AllenAh, OK. Thanks for clearing that up for me. It would be difficult to tell if they released the house yet, but sounds like possibly they have. I hope they tore the living hell out of it!

[SeriouslySearching]

Down Crocker rd is pretty secluded but i saw no police tape showing general area where she may have been buried.

1 ile from his home was reported i think, and that is a ways down Crocker Rd.

AllenI am sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but on the news they had it at a quarter of a mile away from the house to the burial site.

[gigi2009]

Of course she will. She doesn't hold herself responsible for this any more than Cassandra does!


I think it would be very interesting to see how that all plays out. I'm still trying to figure out how the timing was placed. Initially, it was supposed to happen the week before. Was the date of the equipment order ever known? I have to go back and look. Perhaps, if the equipment wasn't delivered yet, MJ wasn't intending to use it on Brooke. Or maybe that's exactly what they were waiting on and hence the delay. So after he covers up Brooke in the field, did he go dump the equipment somewhere?

[jnodrog]

I am sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but on the news they had it at a quarter of a mile away from the house to the burial site.
Does anyone know just how far away from MJ home it was??


Allen

[becca]

I have a question... does anyone know exactly who reported Brooke missing? Why the delay? Unless MJ orchestrated that too... oh don't call she probably will come home. No sense in calling 911... blah blah
meaning he needed time to bury Brooke.

[gigi2009]

I have asked that myself a few times. I'm not sure anyone has the answer. I'm really curious how that all came about.

[olepi]

I had thought it was Brooke's grandmother that called her in missing.

[jnodrog]

im curious as to what in the home of MJ would have brought them to Crocker Rd.

[becca]

I had read it was a family friend.... that is a big red flag when the mother isn't the one to make the 911 call.

[gigi2009]

The order was placed on June 16th. On June 20th, emails between AR and MJ(posing as someone else) discussing the "take-down" for that coming Wednesday. Hmm...

[jnodrog]

i also think that AR and her boyfriend may have been present during the whole thing, also whoever planted the evidence was definetly an amateur, cause they left the baggy behind that held the evidence, im sure as soon as they found that stuff they knew it was planted.

Allen

[gigi2009]

That's what I saw too--family friend first noticed her missing, then grandma called around 9pm. What family friend and where's Mom at 9pm? Had she spoken to Brooke at all that day?

[gigi2009]

i also think that AR and her boyfriend may have been present during the whole thing, also whoever planted the evidence was definetly an amateur, cause they left the baggy behind that held the evidence, im sure as soon as they found that stuff they knew it was planted.

Allen



I don't think the boyfriend knew what was going on. AR stated that he wasn't part of "breckenridge". Also she had to gather the evidence from him surreptitiously to plant later.

[becca]

That's what I saw too--family friend first noticed her missing, then grandma called around 9pm. What family friend and where's Mom at 9pm? Had she spoken to Brooke at all that day?

Exactly my point.... something amiss with that. A family friend noticed her missing? What the heck.... no one in that house could see she wasn't there? Arent there other kids in that house? a sister? yet no one noticed? if they did they called MJ and he told them what HE found on her myspace page.. which then led everyone to believe she ran away with a boy. she would come home because a . she is only 12
b. she had no money
c. no cell phone on her
d. well if the BOY was young then they would both turn up .

Wonder if they are missing her now? I know that is mean but how can you live in a house with other people and hours go by without missing them? I can't even go to the bathroom without someone yelling where are you?
So a 12 old should have been noticed not there.. a few phone calls and boom 911 is called... but they waited until 9 pm... why? its already dark, a real search can't start until the next morning...

[SuziQ]

My understanding is the family friend had to convince Gma and Cassandra to let her call. Then when LE called the friend back the friend handed gma the phone.

ETA: Gma and Cassandra did not want to call LE.

[becca]

My understanding is the family friend had to convince Gma and Cassandra to let her call. Then when LE called the friend back the friend handed gma the phone.

ETA: Gma and Cassandra did not want to call LE.

Like I said REDFLAGS. What is wrong with these people? Do they do everything that MJ says ? ( I know we have no hard evidence that he wanted them to wait) but it all seems so obvious that someone or something made them delay or not want to call at all.

[gigi2009]

My understanding is the family friend had to convince Gma and Cassandra to let her call. Then when LE called the friend back the friend handed gma the phone.

ETA: Gma and Cassandra did not want to call LE.



SERIOUSLY?????!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Does anyone know if the family friend was another parent? Or a kid?

Also, AR has a facebook page as well as myspace.


ETA----there also happens to be a myspace page in their circle of friends that has a "sam" same b-day as brooke.

[Carrington]

My understanding is the family friend had to convince Gma and Cassandra to let her call. Then when LE called the friend back the friend handed gma the phone.

ETA: Gma and Cassandra did not want to call LE.

That's the way I understand it.
Brooke had already been missing 12 hours.
I think she was missing alot longer than that. They just didn't know it.

[missVT77]

I think Cassandra's statements aren't doing her any favors in regards to public relations, that's for sure. But I believe she is in emotional pain so intense. Hell if this case keeps ME up at night, who is a stranger to her daughter, she must not have slept a wink since it happened. They probably have to keep her medicated.

[becca]

I think Cassandra's statements aren't doing her any favors in regards to public relations, that's for sure. But I believe she is in emotional pain so intense. Hell if this case keeps ME up at night, who is a stranger to her daughter, she must not have slept a wink since it happened. They probably have to keep her medicated.

She just needs to stop talking PERIOD.
As far as the sleepless nights , I've had my share of those. Missing/murdered children do that to me. I went days without sleep over one little girl... she is still dear to my heart always will be. But that one was kind of personal.

[Carrington]

MJ/AR seemed to be more concerned about Savanna than Cassandra.
IMO

[becca]

MJ/AR seemed to be more concerned about Savanna than Cassandra.
IMO

Maybe she had a clue and asked AR if her step dad was a bit too friendly? That right there would set MJ off. Just a simple question.

[missVT77]

Here is another piece of inside information that I have. I was hanging out with my friend who is also Cassandra's friend on Wednesday night June 25th. I remember the time and date precisely because we were waiting in line for our turn to do videos at a Survivor Open Casting Call that was at the University mall in Burlington, VT.

Anyway, We got there at around 5:30 PM, and we had been there around 30 minutes when my friend got a call on his cell phone. It was Cassandra very upset, crying, saying Brooke was missing and asking if my friend had seen her daughter. I don't know why she called my friend because he doesn't really know her kids. I think he was and still is a source of daily support for her and she thought just in case he had happened to see her daughter since he had driven up to Burlington that day.

It worried my friend but he couldn't really do anything. So anyway, she was crying and just about hysterical at 6pm regardless of when or who actually reported her missing.

[becca]

Here is another piece of inside information that I have. I was hanging out with my friend who is also Cassandra's friend on Wednesday night July 25th. I remember the time and date precisely because we were waiting in line for our turn to do videos at a Survivor Open Casting Call that was at the University mall in Burlington, VT.

Anyway, We got there at around 5:30 PM, and we had been there around 30 minutes when my friend got a call on his cell phone. It was Cassandra very upset, crying, saying Brooke was missing and asking if my friend had seen her daughter. I don't know why she called my friend because he doesn't really know her kids. I think he was and still is a source of daily support for her and she thought just in case he had happened to see her daughter since he had driven up to Burlington that day.

It worried my friend but he couldn't really do anything. So anyway, she was crying and just about hysterical at 6pm regardless of when or who actually reported her missing.

ok she's calling friends, crying at 6pm.... what happens in those three hours that she still doesn't call herself? what stops her? my first gut reaction would be to call the last person I KNEW she was with... then 911 and from there on what LE told me to do.

[believe09]

Here is another piece of inside information that I have. I was hanging out with my friend who is also Cassandra's friend on Wednesday night July 25th. I remember the time and date precisely because we were waiting in line for our turn to do videos at a Survivor Open Casting Call that was at the University mall in Burlington, VT.

Anyway, We got there at around 5:30 PM, and we had been there around 30 minutes when my friend got a call on his cell phone. It was Cassandra very upset, crying, saying Brooke was missing and asking if my friend had seen her daughter. I don't know why she called my friend because he doesn't really know her kids. I think he was and still is a source of daily support for her and she thought just in case he had happened to see her daughter since he had driven up to Burlington that day.

It worried my friend but he couldn't really do anything. So anyway, she was crying and just about hysterical at 6pm regardless of when or who actually reported her missing.

i am certain you meant June 25th, but wow-I wonder if she just wanted to share or was genuinely panicked because she had clearly lost track of her daughter, and perhaps had not been paying attention to her wear abouts for a while? It's kind of like Russian roulette-you convince yourself everything will be fine until it all goes horribly wrong....

[missVT77]

Well I would feel hesitation in calling LE, especially with a teenager. Someone said, I'm not sure if it was here or where I heard this, that the family waited until the last possible moment where she COULD be home from Dartmouth if her cover story (which they all believed at the time) was true. Like the end of visiting hours + travel time.

[believe09]

ok she's calling friends, crying at 6pm.... what happens in those three hours that she still doesn't call herself? what stops her? my first gut reaction would be to call the last person I KNEW she was with... then 911 and from there on what LE told me to do.

Oh you know she called MJ/Denise/AR at some point....you absolutely positively know she called them first. And like Adnoid said ages ago-they did not call LE because they knew, even if it was just in their hearts, that it had something to do with him...JMO.

[missVT77]

Whoops, thanks, I will go back and edit my post.

i am certain you meant June 25th, but wow-I wonder if she just wanted to share or was genuinely panicked because she had clearly lost track of her daughter, and perhaps had not been paying attention to her wear abouts for a while? It's kind of like Russian roulette-you convince yourself everything will be fine until it all goes horribly wrong....

[believe09]

Well I would feel hesitation in calling LE, especially with a teenager. Someone said, I'm not sure if it was here or where I heard this, that the family waited until the last possible moment where she COULD be home from Dartmouth if her cover story (which they all believed at the time) was true. Like the end of visiting hours + travel time.

Hmmm-I could be pursuaded that this is the case too! i never thought of that.

[becca]

Well I would feel hesitation in calling LE, especially with a teenager. Someone said, I'm not sure if it was here or where I heard this, that the family waited until the last possible moment where she COULD be home from Dartmouth if her cover story (which they all believed at the time) was true. Like the end of visiting hours + travel time.

The hole in that would be who was the friend and who was driving them? Did Cassandra even know that info? one quick phone call puts that to bed and on to 911.

[gigi2009]

SERIOUSLY?????!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!! Does anyone know if the family friend was another parent? Or a kid?

Also, AR has a facebook page as well as myspace.


ETA----there also happens to be a myspace page in their circle of friends that has a "sam" same b-day as brooke.


I am reposting this in case it got missed. So does anyone know if it was an adult that first clued in mom or another kid?

[Carrington]

They (family) didn't even have a clue who the friend was that she was supposed to go the hospital with, as far as I can tell.
IMO

[missVT77]

For her to call my friend about her missing daughter meant to me that she was basically calling everyone in her phone book.

[MCDRAW]

Its further apart than I thought, but its still possible some people do drive a distance to work everyday.


I don't know what type of work they did but I don't think there is much available in Anniston. Most people that live in Cullman work either in Birmingham or Huntsville. Then again I don't know what type of work either of them did/do. So it is possible.

[MCDRAW]

The hole in that would be who was the friend and who was driving them? Did Cassandra even know that info? one quick phone call puts that to bed and on to 911.


I'm sure MJ was telling the story and made it very believable. On the other hand, Police tend to think that teenagers are runaways before they believe they are missing.

[CarpeDiem]

Like I said REDFLAGS. What is wrong with these people? Do they do everything that MJ says ? ( I know we have no hard evidence that he wanted them to wait) but it all seems so obvious that someone or something made them delay or not want to call at all.

Absolutely, I'm sure they got all kinds of stories from MJ about where the girls were, why they don't need to worry. I bet AR was also instructed to ignore any calls from them until late that night. I'm interested in the family friend part. Is it just someone they were bitching to about Brooke not being home, and they said "this is bull, doesn't add up"? I'm not sure how negligent I feel they were that day until we know when Brooke was suppossed to be home from the sleepover at her cousins and who was suppossed to get her home. Is that how the family friend got involved, they were to pick Brooke up from MJ's and take her home??

Edited to add, forget all that, LOL, because it's not fitting with what MissVT just said about her friend's phone call, and now Cassandra is hysterical three hours before the police are even called.

[DeltaDawn]

I am trying to figure how MJ had enough time to rape, torture, murder Brooke and then clean up, dispose of the body and all evidence..even the machine? He had to have help in this somewhere along the line that morning into afternoon into evening.

Denise had to know something about her husband and her daughter..I just don't buy her total lack of knowledge about those two. There had to be tons of porn, gadgets, etc around that house and tons of clues with her daughter..that she just chose to ignore.

I think that MJ and whoever else was involved all covered for MJ until they thought they had everything in order. Thank God someone outside the family finally convinced Mom and Grandmom to let them call the police. Otherwise they might have waited until morning to call. Which was extactly what MJ wanted..then they would thin she ran off with someone on the internet.

I think they fancied themselves in the porn business (MJ, Gagnon and the man in Texas, Kevin). I think the ultimate was to have a movie where a child was raped, tortured on this machine and then died due to the extreme nature of the the machine, dying from too much violent sex..and I think that is what the autospy will reveal. The machine damaged her so much that she was bleeding and vital organs punctured.

[Medea]

I think Cassandra's statements aren't doing her any favors in regards to public relations, that's for sure. But I believe she is in emotional pain so intense. Hell if this case keeps ME up at night, who is a stranger to her daughter, she must not have slept a wink since it happened. They probably have to keep her medicated.

I can't summon up more than the basic sympathy that she never expected her daughter would be murdered by Jacques.

She never let her be alone with him? What a crock. I suppose the other "adult" was his worthless, look the other way wife, her sister Denise, who is so blindingly stupid she allegedly had no idea her own daughter was being raped and turned into a predator right under her nose.

This man was accused of rape by a family member and CONVICTED of aggravated rape and kidnapping!!!!!!!!

I wouldn't let any adult woman I know go near someone with that kind of record, let alone condone an idiot sister to marry him or let my young daughter EVER be in his presence.

Cassandra is pathetic excuse for a mother.

Not to mention HER OWN ex husband the conneseur of Russian child porn who had no problem having sex with his 13 year old niece.

[Busylady]

Do you think during that 3 hours Cassandra would of called Brookes dad to see if he had seen her? I would think that would be one of the first people she called. So why didnt he call police? As far as the friend calling police, maybe the friend was there with Cassandra, Cassandra was too upset friend dialed 911 and then handed the phone to Cassandra after police answered.

[Medea]

I am trying to figure how MJ had enough time to rape, torture, murder Brooke and then clean up, dispose of the body and all evidence..even the machine? He had to have help in this somewhere along the line that morning into afternoon into evening.

Denise had to know something about her husband and her daughter..I just don't buy her total lack of knowledge about those two. There had to be tons of porn, gadgets, etc around that house and tons of clues with her daughter..that she just chose to ignore.

I think that MJ, Denise and whoever else was involved all covered for MJ until they thought they had everything in order, then someone outside finally convinced Mom and Grandmom to let them call the police.

My guess is that Brooke was accidentally killed during the initial rape, MJ probably strangled her. I doubt he had time to use much of his torture devices on her.

[missVT77]

> My guess is that Brooke was accidentally killed during the initial rape, MJ probably strangled her. I doubt he had time to use much of his torture devices on her.

Yes this is my thought and hope as well. He only had until maybe 5pm I think when his wife probably got home from work to do whatever. Everything including hide the body probably. And that involved digging a big hole.

I think maybe very early on he realized it wouldn't be as easy as he thought and abandoned any elaborate plans in hope of trying to cover it up and save his own ass from life in prison.