Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #13

[Busylady]

Thanks! That helps me understand.
A U-4 form is for people who work in securities or stock trading. You need to update any information regarding lawsuits, criminal activity, etc. I also believe you need to provide fingerprints as well. Least my wife had to where she works.

[jnodrog]

Isn't Manchester NH closer?
No it isnt manchester would be about 2 hrs

[Busylady]

Im not sure, if it means they tried to verify his location 3/28/08 and could not.

Oh thanks, Busylady. I didn't notice that before. What I had noticed was that he had verified his registration on 3/28/08. So, he's missing since then, I guess? Or hmmmm .... what??

[gigi2009]

Im not sure, if it means they tried to verify his location 3/28/08 and could not.


Actually, I think it means he updated in March and he has NO absconds (fleeing) on his record.

[evelyn24]

I think the month long planning among all the male POS's was 30 days of hot and heavy and sick foreplay for the group. This toook lots of advanced thought and I think they really got off on it.

IMO, I also do not believe that AR knew the depth of evil or excitement this brought to C or E or MJ or GG or Sam or who ever else is involved.
She is a 14 year old victim who has severed severe physical and mental torture and abuse for years. All her actions and wods scream survival ( victim style) = IMO


They were all MJ.

[adnoid]

And in this case you have the FBI involved & possibly DHS.... it pays to be extra careful that you don't get dragged in for questioning.

I don't mind being questioned, actually, since I didn't do it. It's the screwballs that I find annoying.

[edgeofnight]

I wonder where inside the house in Alabama LE found the porn. I'm sure RG hid it in a place he felt no one would be able to find it, at least I would think.

[petra]

They were all MJ.

Yes. I know that...but AR did not , at that time.

[Busylady]

I thought that at first also so put in the name John Smith to see how other reports read, they all list an address in the address section, deceased, incarerated, or abscounded.

Actually, I think it means he updated in March and he has NO absconds (fleeing) on his record.

[petra]

I wonder where inside the house in Alabama LE found the porn. I'm sure RG hid it in a place he felt no one would be able to find it, at least I would think.

Good question..was it AL LE or FBI? Maybe they tossed the entire inside.
It has been vacant suppsedly from anywhere from 6-12 months depending on which article you read.

[Liz]

Good thinking, Busylady!


About RG's Cullman house --- I bet a neighbor or two called in after that article ran and reported RG's recent appearance there.

Which makes me wonder even more *why* aren't we getting pix of Gagnon?? Arghhh!

[galvino]

I wonder where inside the house in Alabama LE found the porn. I'm sure RG hid it in a place he felt no one would be able to find it, at least I would think.


Love your screen name- reminds me of my soap watching days- If they made up a scenario like this on a soap, no one would believe it!

I'll bet he thought he hid it well (like that skeezeball Mel Ignato did), but wasn't as smart. Maybe he'll find G*D in prison just like ole Mel.

Anyone notice how little this was on the newscasts today? My opinion is that it is just getting so lurid and disgusting that mainstream media has decided that the general public would be too grossed out by the turn of events and they should just focus on Christie Brinkley and A-Rod so as not to offend our sensabilities. THAT pizzes me off- that may be one reason that people never think it could happen within their family... media just hypes the case while the kid is missing for the ratings, but once it gets gross, they drop it and the folks that only get news from them never learn more.

Ooops- sorry for my mini rant!

[LI_Mom]

I think it's more likely authorities have asked the media to refrain from speculating so they can build a strong case against ALL the creeps involved.

I doubt we'll hear much more about developments in the case except for maybe the official cause of death & any other arrests.

[eris]

I wonder why Ray moved to Texas. His old employer at Cullman, REHAU is pretty big and he has a house there while at San Antonio, he's just renting a room and works for a company that is the same size as REHAU. Not only that, why he didnt sell his house at Cullman after accepting a job in Texas when he's all by himself and his families are in Vermont. What's her relationship with Deloris Gagnon of Vermont?What's in it for him at Texas?

[DeltaDawn]

Where is the evidence of this? So far the Feds have not even hinted at these guys MAKING porn llet alone distributing it. There has been not a hint of any films or stills of AR being out there on the Internet, just in Gagnon's possession. Not a hint about any camere equipment found at anyone's residence.

I very well might be wrong but I do not think these fools were involved in distrubuting child porn beyond sharing it amongst themselves.


Let's just say it is my gut instinct..just like it was my gut instinct she was murdered..which has panned out ..because her death is listed as homicide now.

Remember this is just my opinion, which I feel I am as welcome to as you are to yours.

[edgeofnight]

Galvino, thank-you. I picked that screen name because my grandma and I enjoyed watching the Edge of Night soap together.

[eris]

Good thinking, Busylady!


About RG's Cullman house --- I bet a neighbor or two called in after that article ran and reported RG's recent appearance there.

Which makes me wonder even more *why* aren't we getting pix of Gagnon?? Arghhh!


I wonder why previous affidavits didnt show that someone try to access Brooke's Myspace from an IP address in Cullman Library. Will this means that they just discovered this just recently?

[eris]

When is Brooke supposed to go to Texas to stay with Ray? Anyone?

[missVT77]

I wonder why MJ didn't abuse Brooke's older sister? He was around her when she was young like these other girls he couldn't leave alone.

[Liz]

:Welcome-12-june: to websleuths, eris and edgeofnight!

[eris]

:Welcome-12-june: to websleuths, eris and edgeofnight!


Thanks Liz. I registered 2007 but just used my account just now :eek:

[adnoid]

I wonder why previous affidavits didnt show that someone try to access Brooke's Myspace from an IP address in Cullman Library. Will this means that they just discovered this just recently?

Or that they did not need to use that information to get what they wanted. Either one.

[eris]

I wonder why MJ didn't abuse Brooke's older sister? He was around her when she was young like these other girls he couldn't leave alone.


How about Ray - Did he abuse Savanna and Brooke . Cassandra said Ray is a very intelligent man - smart book man - but hey they divorced - I wonder why. Maybe because Cassandra caught him with these kiddie porn stuff? I would like to know as well why Cassandra and Ray divorced.

[Busylady]

I wonder if he did and she just never told.

I wonder why MJ didn't abuse Brooke's older sister? He was around her when she was young like these other girls he couldn't leave alone.

[Tom'sGirl]

I wonder why MJ didn't abuse Brooke's older sister? He was around her when she was young like these other girls he couldn't leave alone.
We don't know, or of the other members in the family that may, or may not ever say anything!

[strach304]

Christine...what if all that was a ruse to keep them looking in Texas...when in fact his stuff was in Alabama? I find it difficult to believe that he left Texas without properly getting rid of evidence/ material himself...but then again, I just woke up from a nap so may have missed a whole lot in the last couple of hours.

Don't feel bad I've been keeping up and for the life of me I cannot understand why Gagnon didn't destroy the porn in Alabama now that we know he flew there. Those new charges and info came out today. If he called Kevin to destroy the laptop and get rid of the safe in Texas why didn't he himself do the same in Alabama now that we know he was there?

[DeltaDawn]

Don't feel bad I've been keeping up and for the life of me I cannot understand why Gagnon didn't destroy the porn in Alabama now that we know he flew there. Those new charges and info came out today. If he called Kevin to destroy the laptop and get rid of the safe in Texas why didn't he himself do the same in Alabama now that we know he was there?


Because he just wasn't about to get rid of his porn collection..didn't they say 5 years worth, he thought the Alabama house was safe because he hadn't been formally living there and hadn't changed Brooke's email or myspace from there.

For some reason he thought of that place as his safe haven..which means I wonder what else went on there?

[jnodrog]

Im not so sure there was a safe in Texas, maybe just another ruse to get them looking in the wrong direction, these guys all definetly communicated a lot in those days.

Allen

[olepi]

Because he just wasn't about to get rid of his porn collection..didn't they say 5 years worth, he thought the Alabama house was safe because he hadn't been formally living there and hadn't changed Brooke's email or myspace from there.

For some reason he thought of that place as his safe haven..which means I wonder what else went on there?

Five years of collecting. That means he started is cp thing when Brooke was still 7 and living with him.

[strach304]

He claimed the 5 years of russian porn was what was in the safe he asked his roommate to get rid of. At least that's what he told the feds. He lived in Alabama for something like 6 years with Brooke and her family. No way LE wasn't gonna check him out. Especially since he flew, that would be LE's first clue. They had cell phone records e-mails etc. that he was confronted with. Etc. and all that :blowkiss:

[jnodrog]

Remember do any of us know what went on in the MJ home the night before??
everything couldnt have just been peachy, with all this stuff planned, no way


Allen

[raeann]

It seems most likely that he took the items from Texas to Alabama to hide them, along with whatever he had already left there. Kevin in Texas probably disposed of an empty safe as part of the plan to divert the authorities and cause further delays in their investigation. The plan was that MJ had also diverted the attention to someone else, so they felt that they had a double layer of security for themselves. If the safe was ever located, they could just claim that someone had found it in the dumpster and stolen whatever was inside.

[Leve]

All the talk about AR has me thinking.

MJ raped his 8 year old sister when he was 11. His father was apparently raping her as well. Maybe MJ too was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. That excuses nothing of course - just throwing that out there.

I feel for AR but I would never want her around my child. She needs extremely extensive therapy, I hope they do charge her and sentance her to a mental hospital where we all know she'll get help. MJ can be blamed for what he created in AR.

[jnodrog]

It seems most likely that he took the items from Texas to Alabama to hide them, along with whatever he had already left there. Kevin in Texas probably disposed of an empty safe as part of the plan to divert the authorities and cause further delays in their investigation. The plan was that MJ had also diverted the attention to someone else, so they felt that they had a double layer of security for themselves. If the safe was ever located, they could just claim that someone had found it in the dumpster and stolen whatever was inside.
i think thats right, the safe deal was just to get them looking elsewhere protecting the actual site in Alabama.


Allen

[eris]

Or that they did not need to use that information to get what they wanted. Either one.

That's true . And this could tell us that there are many more IP address, email address that are possibly involved here.

[edgeofnight]

Thanks Liz for the welcome. That one e-mail about being in Africa and hunting keeps bothering me. I keep thinking he perhaps was hunting, hunting for a victim.

[jnodrog]

i also still dont get this myspace profile that said BROOKE HIGH DEAD, i know it wasnt hers, but come on the name with death, how many Brookes died then.

my mind still thinks there is atleast one more person out there that was changing stuff also.

and if i understood correctly LE did not have to actually log in to BROOKES myspace page where the date would change, but yet her page changed date on 7/2/2008.

Allen

[Spazkat9696]

i also still dont get this myspace profile that said BROOKE HIGH DEAD, i know it wasnt hers, but come on the name with death, how many Brookes died then.

my mind still thinks there is atleast one more person out there that was changing stuff also.

and if i understood correctly LE did not have to actually log in to BROOKES myspace page where the date would change, but yet her page changed date on 7/2/2008.

Allen


anytime you log in the date automatically updates.

[jnodrog]

anytime you log in the date automatically updates.
i remember someone posting here that the police did not have to log in that way.

Allen

[RR0004]

i think thats right, the safe deal was just to get them looking elsewhere protecting the actual site in Alabama.


Allen
I think I do agree with this!

[RR0004]

i remember someone posting here that the police did not have to log in that way.

Allen
Yup...a ways back...there are ways to emulate into your computer...some guy from India did it when I was having trouble with my laptop. I just don't know how it wouldn't show.

[RR0004]

Thanks Liz for the welcome. That one e-mail about being in Africa and hunting keeps bothering me. I keep thinking he perhaps was hunting, hunting for a victim.
I thought that as well. This guy isn't a total dummy...he knew the specifics of an African safari. AR's response back was a bit off...as if she was 'warning" him to be careful. Perhaps, he was hunting for a "spot".

[close_enough]

Galvino, thank-you. I picked that screen name because my grandma and I enjoyed watching the Edge of Night soap together.

ah yes....my Granny watched the show also...remember As The World Turns, & The Secret Storm?

welcome:)

[olepi]

Remember do any of us know what went on in the MJ home the night before??
everything couldnt have just been peachy, with all this stuff planned, no way


Allen

I imagine nothing happened the night before. MJ and AR still needed to get Brooke to Cumberland Farms the next morning for their alibi. As far as we know, Brooke had no reason to fear these people. Her parents never mentioned to her that her uncle was a RSO.

Although it's a possibility that Brooke was killed accidentally during the initial "takedown", I think MJ would be careful not to allow that to happen. With all this planning, he wouldn't make the mistake of killing Brooke too early. That's why he needed AR - to keep Brooke's guard down. Brooke would never suspect both of them attacking her. She could've been tied to that thing and had her clothes cut off later. By the time she realized she should've been fighting for her life, it was probably too late.

I would also imagine that MJ either shot video or took pictures of it and he made sure AR was in them, at least initially. That would be a good reason for AR to lie when she was interviewed by LE.

[eris]

i remember someone posting here that the police did not have to log in that way.

Allen

The Police dont login themselves. The admins of Myspace logins as administrator or with a high priviledge settings on the server and access the accounts in a different ways. They will have more informations like sources of accounts and ip address visiting those particular pages. And they print all these informations for LE or Feds to see.

[Liz]

You're welcome, edgeofnight! :)

[becca]

Yup...a ways back...there are ways to emulate into your computer...some guy from India did it when I was having trouble with my laptop. I just don't know how it wouldn't show.
LEcan log in thru myspace's database. they don't log in the way you and I do.... so nothing would change as far as showing online or the date.

[Tom'sGirl]

As far as we know, Brooke had no reason to fear these people. Her parents never mentioned to her that her uncle was a RSO.
YES, her parents were aware and her father and step mother discussed this with her often !

[VTNance]

All the talk about AR has me thinking.

MJ raped his 8 year old sister when he was 11. His father was apparently raping her as well. Maybe MJ too was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. That excuses nothing of course - just throwing that out there.

I feel for AR but I would never want her around my child. She needs extremely extensive therapy, I hope they do charge her and sentance her to a mental hospital where we all know she'll get help. MJ can be blamed for what he created in AR.

Amen to that, Leve. It is highly probably MJ was abused from a very young age, and he was certainly groomed to be a sadist and predator by his own father, with whom he began raping his own sister when he was just ELEVEN years old! We are not sparing him a lot of sympathy, despite the fact we can see that he too was the product of a horrid environment.

AR may have been "only" as involved as she says or she may have been much more involved. But in either case, she has been groomed and molded by a very, very, very sick person. She deserves sympathy and she needs a lot of help, but as well, the larger community, especially children in her school, deserve to be protected. She was broken and warped by an unbelievable sadist. I would be very apprehensive to have her in my child's school.

[eris]

I think Jacques and Ray married Cassandra and Denise for their children. They possibly even placed some hidden cameras on the showers, kid's room and etc.
:(

[angelwngs]

He claimed the 5 years of russian porn was what was in the safe he asked his roommate to get rid of. At least that's what he told the feds. He lived in Alabama for something like 6 years with Brooke and her family. No way LE wasn't gonna check him out. Especially since he flew, that would be LE's first clue. They had cell phone records e-mails etc. that he was confronted with. Etc. and all that :blowkiss:

Won't it be wonderful when modern technology advances to the point that regular pay phones become pay-cellphones and all snailmail can be traced to its sender the same that way email is now traced using an ISP number! It will sure put the brakes on criminal communication!

[jnodrog]

LEcan log in thru myspace's database. they don't log in the way you and I do.... so nothing would change as far as showing online or the date.
okay then her page date changed on 7/2/2008.
i wonder how.

[close_enough]

YES, her parents were aware and her father and step mother discussed this with her often !

about Ray Gagnon, or Jacques?.....i thought her father said he didn't know much about MJ?....didn't Brook's father also know she was going to go visit Gagnon's family in TX too?

[olepi]

YES, her parents were aware and her father and step mother discussed this with her often !

from article:
Brooke's father Jim Bennett and her stepmother Janet, said they knew of Jacques' history as a sex offender, he never saw any signs of trouble when Brooke and her uncle were together at family gatherings.

“That's not something you tell a little girl,” Janet Bennett, Brooke's stepmother, told the Valley News of Lebanon, N.H. “She was just a beautiful little girl.”

Jim Bennett said parents needed to keep a close eye on their children, even around family because, “It's not just strangers you've got to watch out for.”

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/215599592

[jnodrog]

I think Jacques and Ray married Cassandra and Denise for their children. They possibly even placed some hidden cameras on the showers, kid's room and etc.
:(
you may be on to something there.

Allen

[close_enough]

I think Jacques and Ray married Cassandra and Denise for their children. They possibly even placed some hidden cameras on the showers, kid's room and etc.
:(

i think a lot of sick freaks do that ..... :mad:

[eris]

Won't it be wonderful when modern technology advances to the point that regular pay phones become pay-cellphones and all snailmail can be traced to its sender the same that way email is now traced using an ISP number! It will sure put the brakes on criminal communication!

voice and video transmissions over the net via tcp/ip is going to be hard to trace for evidences. IMO.

[close_enough]

from article:
Brooke's father Jim Bennett and her stepmother Janet, said they knew of Jacques' history as a sex offender, he never saw any signs of trouble when Brooke and her uncle were together at family gatherings.
“That's not something you tell a little girl,” Janet Bennett, Brooke's stepmother, told the Valley News of Lebanon, N.H. “She was just a beautiful little girl.”

Jim Bennett said parents needed to keep a close eye on their children, even around family because, “It's not just strangers you've got to watch out for.”
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/215599592

ahhhh...ok ...thanks for the article

eta.....well, DUH!!!!! (re: bold) especially a known sex offender...are ALL of these folks just plain stupid???

[eris]

you may be on to something there.

Allen

If Jacques is willing to pay for those sex machines for a grand then a hidden camera that can be placed in any room is easier to purchase. I think he used this kind of camera when Juvenile 2 and AR had sex before. I wonder if Ray placed this on the cullman's house so he was in a hurry to go back to Alabama to remove them

[olepi]

thanks for bolding that. I wanted too, just didn't know how.

[close_enough]

thanks for bolding that. I wanted too, just didn't know how.

yw:)

take your mouse & left click & move over (shade) the area you want in bold....then click the "B" above...hope these instructions make sense!

[olepi]

thanks totally missed that

[VTNance]

I think Jacques and Ray married Cassandra and Denise for their children. They possibly even placed some hidden cameras on the showers, kid's room and etc.
:(

Agreed. There could be kids out there who came over for sleepovers/parties who were photographed and never had any idea. :(

[close_enough]

"celebrity divorces rocking the headlines" ugh.....was hoping Greta would discuss Brooke's case...maybe she will later *sighs*

[Tom'sGirl]

from article:
Brooke's father Jim Bennett and her stepmother Janet, said they knew of Jacques' history as a sex offender, he never saw any signs of trouble when Brooke and her uncle were together at family gatherings.

“That's not something you tell a little girl,” Janet Bennett, Brooke's stepmother, told the Valley News of Lebanon, N.H. “She was just a beautiful little girl.”

Jim Bennett said parents needed to keep a close eye on their children, even around family because, “It's not just strangers you've got to watch out for.”

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/215599592

http://i31.tinypic.com/2ng96wg.jpg

Janet says her husband, Mike Bennett had told Cassandra about Jacques being a ROS. Also said Brooke went often to her cousins house. Says they spoke often with Brooke about the situation with Jacuqes.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1960962&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749 (http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=1960962&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b 0c12f2749)

[kk's mom]

big help Fran - thanks!

See if this helps you KK's mom

fran

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080703/NEWS01/80702039

[olepi]

huh? Guess I'm not sure who to believe. If she did know, it would make more sense having AR around.

and thanks for the link.

[MCDRAW]

from article:
Brooke's father Jim Bennett and her stepmother Janet, said they knew of Jacques' history as a sex offender, he never saw any signs of trouble when Brooke and her uncle were together at family gatherings.

“That's not something you tell a little girl,” Janet Bennett, Brooke's stepmother, told the Valley News of Lebanon, N.H. “She was just a beautiful little girl.”

Jim Bennett said parents needed to keep a close eye on their children, even around family because, “It's not just strangers you've got to watch out for.”

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS01/215599592



I'm sorry but this is why I think Jim Bennett is as guilty as Cassandra for not keeping Brooke safe.

[Pinkhammer]

Thanks to all the great researchers here for today's updates. The FBI must be working on finding the other Grosenheider right now. No wonder it quickly became a Federal case. There 's a huge child porn operation involved here (IMHO). How else could a creepy ex-con like Jacques afford that nice new house and the other property? He has to be deeply involved in a ring. Hope they all get caught!

[twinkiesmom]

I thought that as well. This guy isn't a total dummy...he knew the specifics of an African safari. AR's response back was a bit off...as if she was 'warning" him to be careful. Perhaps, he was hunting for a "spot".

You're kidding, right?

[Tom'sGirl]

huh? Guess I'm not sure who to believe. If she did know, it would make more sense having AR around.

and thanks for the link.
I'd believe more words, than a written statement myself. The fact remains all the adults knew of MJacques, and yet let all their kids be around him.

And, YW

[Jaded]

i think thats right, the safe deal was just to get them looking elsewhere protecting the actual site in Alabama.


Allen

Just like the tennis shoe, panties and planted semen were to get them looking elsewhere. I also don't think RG would just toss out his five years of collected kiddie porn. This case just makes the bile rise up in the back of my throat.

[eris]

This is why i dont trust Kevin Grosenheider :

He said that he has known Gagnon for four years and that Gagnon had been renting the room for about six months.
Grosenheider said he knew little about Gagnon's past

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHjvw1NOFGPL0mQ-JPqYfuNZF1LgD91N965O3

He knew little about Ray's past but knew him for 4 years and he let him live with them for 6 months? Her fiancee said Ray Gagnon moved with them a year ago - so is it 6 months ago or 1 year ago?

A woman who answered the phone at Gagnon's residence in San Antonio but declined to give her name said Gagnon had moved in with her and her boyfriend about a year ago. She said Gagnon worked as an engineer in the city.
http://www.vnews.com/07022008/4932399.htm

[olepi]

Thanks to all the great researchers here for today's updates. The FBI must be working on finding the other Grosenheider right now. No wonder it quickly became a Federal case. There 's a huge child porn operation involved here (IMHO). How else could a creepy ex-con like Jacques afford that nice new house and the other property? He has to be deeply involved in a ring. Hope they all get caught!

I think the only reason he has a nice house is he bought it when anybody with a pulse could get a mortgage (5 yrs ago). His knowledge of computers seems to be lacking as well. Remember, he handed police the laptop that contained all those emails.

[Tom'sGirl]

This is why i dont trust Kevin Grosenheider :

He said that he has known Gagnon for four years and that Gagnon had been renting the room for about six months.
Grosenheider said he knew little about Gagnon's past

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jHjvw1NOFGPL0mQ-JPqYfuNZF1LgD91N965O3

He knew little about Ray's past but knew him for 4 years and he let him live with them for 6 months? Her fiancee said Ray Gagnon moved with them a year ago - so is it 6 months ago or 1 year ago?

A woman who answered the phone at Gagnon's residence in San Antonio but declined to give her name said Gagnon had moved in with her and her boyfriend about a year ago. She said Gagnon worked as an engineer in the city.
http://www.vnews.com/07022008/4932399.htm
Well, I wouldn't have used the word "trust", but rather believe and NO, I don't believe anything he or any of the other players in this case so far. They're all going to lie/have lied to try and save their butts.

[SuziQ]

http://www.waaytv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8629241

(snips)
Gagnon, who presently owns a home in Cullman, Alabama, is alleged to have possessed child pornography images on computer media which he stored in his former residence on or about June 26, 2008. The complaint also alleges that GAGNON attempted to access a missing twelve year-old Vermont girl's MySpace page through a Cullman library's public computer on or about June 26, 2008.

The United States Attorney and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the Northern District of Alabama are assisting federal authorities in Vermont in their ongoing investigation

[eris]

Well, I wouldn't have used the word "trust", but rather believe and NO, I don't believe anything he or any of the other players in this case so far. They're all going to lie/have lied to try and save their butts.

I agree

[close_enough]

huh? Guess I'm not sure who to believe. If she did know, it would make more sense having AR around.

and thanks for the link.

"huh?" here too....Brooke was still "missing" at that interview at Fox ... (not that it makes a point or anything; just something i noticed).....


& thanks from me also, TG...

[SuziQ]

I think the only reason he has a nice house is he bought it when anybody with a pulse could get a mortgage (5 yrs ago). His knowledge of computers seems to be lacking as well. Remember, he handed police the laptop that contained all those emails.

IMO, the house is less than a year old. Googlemaps only shows dirt at that location. And Google images are usually no older than two years.

[close_enough]

Thanks to all the great researchers here for today's updates. The FBI must be working on finding the other Grosenheider right now. No wonder it quickly became a Federal case. There 's a huge child porn operation involved here (IMHO). How else could a creepy ex-con like Jacques afford that nice new house and the other property? He has to be deeply involved in a ring. Hope they all get caught!

they will.....

[SuziQ]

RG is making the rounds in Alabama news. The articles talk about keeping computer media at his Cullman home. That sounds like discs or hardrives.

[MCDRAW]

http://www.waaytv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8629241

(snips)
Gagnon, who presently owns a home in Cullman, Alabama, is alleged to have possessed child pornography images on computer media which he stored in his former residence on or about June 26, 2008. The complaint also alleges that GAGNON attempted to access a missing twelve year-old Vermont girl's MySpace page through a Cullman library's public computer on or about June 26, 2008.

The United States Attorney and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the Northern District of Alabama are assisting federal authorities in Vermont in their ongoing investigation


And there is absolutely nothing on the local news about this.

[eris]

http://www.waaytv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8629241

(snips)
Gagnon, who presently owns a home in Cullman, Alabama, is alleged to have possessed child pornography images on computer media which he stored in his former residence on or about June 26, 2008. The complaint also alleges that GAGNON attempted to access a missing twelve year-old Vermont girl's MySpace page through a Cullman library's public computer on or about June 26, 2008.

The United States Attorney and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the Northern District of Alabama are assisting federal authorities in Vermont in their ongoing investigation

Computer Media - meaning the images is in a DVD, CD or other computer storage

[olepi]

The state affidavit for MJ states they've been living in their current residence for 5 years.

Also, google maps, esp. in rural areas can be older than populated areas, which is flown more often.

[SuziQ]

http://www.fox44.net/Global/story.asp?S=8631696

(snips)
No plans for charges against the girl police say helped Jacques to kidnap Bennett. Court records say a teenage relative -- who he's accused of sexually assaulting -- helped lure Bennett to his home. In an interview the girl told police Jacques planned to initiate Bennett into a sex program called Breckenridge. Court papers say Jacques used an elaborate scheme, with several email addresses, under aliases, to make the girl believe she was part of a larger sex ring. Prosecutors say that shows Jacques used fear and sex to manipulate the relative into helping him.
Currently Bennett's former step-dad, Ray Gagnon, has only been charged with trying to get in the way of the investigation by destroying evidence. But court papers say investigators still aren't sure if he played any role in the alleged kidnapping.
Both men will be back in court at the end of next week on these charges.

[close_enough]

I'd believe more words, than a written statement myself. The fact remains all the adults knew of MJacques, and yet let all their kids be around him.
And, YW

yep....bottom line...ALL did:cursing:

[close_enough]

RG is making the rounds in Alabama news. The articles talk about keeping computer media at his Cullman home. That sounds like discs or hardrives.

yeah, like maybe picture CD's?

[close_enough]

I'm sorry but this is why I think Jim Bennett is as guilty as Cassandra for not keeping Brooke safe.

don't be sorry, Mac....i think he is also...jmo

[SuziQ]

And there is absolutely nothing on the local news about this.

And still no mugshot!

[close_enough]

I think the only reason he has a nice house is he bought it when anybody with a pulse could get a mortgage (5 yrs ago). His knowledge of computers seems to be lacking as well. Remember, he handed police the laptop that contained all those emails.

good points made there!

[SewingDeb]

Im not really sure what this means, just posting anyting I come across for any players potentially involved.

May Actions


John Stephen Grosenheider (CRD #2072154, Registered Representative, Austin, Texas) was barred from association with any NASD member in any capacity. The sanction was based on findings that Grosenheider failed to update his Form U-4. Grosenheider also failed to respond to NASD requests for information. (NASD Case #C06000022)

http://finra.complinet.com/finra/display/display_viewall.html?rbid=1189&element_id=1159003002

It sounds like he is a stockbroker.

[Sailor Bug]

It's such a sick sick world with these SO freaks preying on our children...sharing pictures, videos etc...protecting one another!! Grosenheider definately KNOWS more than he stated to LE Re removal of the safe filled with 5 years of child porn :O(
I'm outraged that Cassandra AND Denise ALLOWED these children to be placed in such an unsafe environment...THESE woman ALSO need to be charged with child endangerment...obviously if the SO laws there are EXTREMELY lax for these perverts...what hope is there for the protection of the children...God I pray major changes are made...starting with some more charges of these "mothers"!!! What a sick, heartbreaking case!!

[close_enough]

And still no mugshot!

yeah...what's up w/that?...he admitted to him & MJ having sex with a minor, in one of the affidavits....what's the big deal?..show his face!

[eris]

yeah...what's up w/that?...he admitted to him & MJ having sex with a minor, in one of the affidavits....what's the big deal?..show his face!


I just found his pic http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/swholiday/images/pedophile.jpg

[MCDRAW]

They finally mentioned Ray Gagnon on channel 42 news.

[SuziQ]

I just found his pic http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/swholiday/images/pedophile.jpg

Lol, you brat.

[VTNance]

Does anyone know where Denise is supposed to have been all day, the day Brooke was kidnapped? Was she supposed to be at work, what time did she get home, etc.?

She married a known violent SO shortly after he got out of prison. Doesn't that make it seem likely she was into his sick ways? I don't buy that she's just so stupid that she could find what she did and just shrug it off. She herself stated she found child porn, didn't she? Could she be charged with something just for failing to report that?:eek:

[adnoid]

IMO, the house is less than a year old. Googlemaps only shows dirt at that location. And Google images are usually no older than two years.

Google Earth and Google Maps show open land where my house is, and we started construction in October 2004.

[close_enough]

http://www.fox44.net/Global/story.asp?S=8631696

(snips)
No plans for charges against the girl police say helped Jacques to kidnap Bennett. Court records say a teenage relative -- who he's accused of sexually assaulting -- helped lure Bennett to his home. In an interview the girl told police Jacques planned to initiate Bennett into a sex program called Breckenridge. Court papers say Jacques used an elaborate scheme, with several email addresses, under aliases, to make the girl believe she was part of a larger sex ring. Prosecutors say that shows Jacques used fear and sex to manipulate the relative into helping him.
Currently Bennett's former step-dad, Ray Gagnon, has only been charged with trying to get in the way of the investigation by destroying evidence. But court papers say investigators still aren't sure if he played any role in the alleged kidnapping.
Both men will be back in court at the end of next week on these charges.

it sure sounds like Ray Gagnon knew of the kidnapping plan....imo

[raeann]

One of the best things that could happen might be if AR was charged with some type of offense in this disaster. It would be to her benefit in many ways, since it would allow continued official supervision of her life for a number of years. Court appointed advocates could make sure that she complied with psychiatric treatment and would prevent the ever intelligent Denise from moving another SO into the house to prey on her and her little sister. Besides making sure that she continues counseling, some sort of court ordered community service would help her to feel self-worth and to feel that she is making up in some small way for her part in Brooke's death. She might even begin to feel that her own torture and abuse were not endured for nothing, if she could in some way help others because of that injury and pain.

[Starr58]

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8628727


Vermont's chief medical examiner has ruled the death of 12-year-old Brooke Bennett a homicide. But so far, no charges have been filed relating to her death.

That information came out during the first federal court appearance of Brooke's uncle, Michael Jacques, 42. He is charged with kidnapping her. A judge ordered he remain in federal custody.

"A lot of work done over the holiday, lot of work left to be done," said Bill Sorrell, D-Vt. Attorney General.

Sorrell had little comment as he left federal court, but said the investigation into the disappearance and death of 12-year-old Brooke was continuing.
State sexual assault charges against her uncle, Michael Jacques, were dropped Monday so federal prosecutors could pursue their case that he kidnapped her. Jacques made his first appearance in federal court.

Prosecutor Craig Nolan outlined the feds' case against him-- saying he had used the internet to plan and carry out the kidnapping, using aliases and a juvenile to help him. Nolan said Jacques planted phony evidence-- altering Brooke's MySpace page to suggest she was meeting someone she met online, and leaving her clothing near the floating bridge in Brookfield.

Prosecutors argued the nature of the offense, the weight of the evidence, and Jacques' criminal history made him a risk of flight and a danger to the community. Jacques' lawyer did not challenge the motion, and the judge ruled him detained pending trial.

Also in court Monday-- Brooke's former stepfather, Ray Gagnon, 40, of San Antonio, Texas. His lawyer left court without comment, but told the judge she did not contest the government's motion to keep him in custody.

The judge ordered he, too, was a flight risk and could obstruct the investigation.

Both Jacques and Gagnon will be back in federal court on July 17 for probable cause hearings. We may learn more about the government's case at that time.

We also don't know how Brooke died. Prosecutors said it is a homicide, but the actual cause will require more investigation. Again, federal prosecutors have not yet charged anyone with a homicide. The only charge against Jacques right now is connected to Brooke's kidnapping.

Meanwhile, more charges were announced against Gagnon today. Prosecutors in Alabama have filed child pornography charges against him. They say he had images stored in his former home in Cullman, Alabama. It is not clear how or even if those charges will relate to the federal case against him in the Brooke Bennett case.

[close_enough]

It sounds like he is a stockbroker.

thanks Deb...i couldn't make a whole lot of sense out of that, earlier...

[Starr58]

Does Ray Gagnon have any brothers? Sisters? who his parents might be?

[close_enough]

I just found his pic http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/swholiday/images/pedophile.jpg

yikes!....lol

[olepi]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com?

[eris]

Does Ray Gagnon have any brothers? Sisters? who his parents might be?

The FEDS says that he has families in Vermont. I dont know his relationship with Deloris Gagnon.

[strach304]

I think Jacques and Ray married Cassandra and Denise for their children. They possibly even placed some hidden cameras on the showers, kid's room and etc.
:(
That is actually a very common practice that happens more than we'd like. The ones that stick out in my mind the most are from the personal ads for dating. Many of those but with the advancement of all these online dating sites I'd think that's a prime hunting ground now.

In this particular case I myself have the same opinion as you. Another coincidence? Nah!!!

[RR0004]

I just found his pic http://www.stomptokyo.com/sings/swholiday/images/pedophile.jpg
Thanks for the chuckle!

[Taximom]

That form requires fingerprinting and crime disclosure amongst a lot of other info. His license was taken away because he wasn't in compliance and wasn't responding to their requests...wonder what he was hiding?!

All of these bums are criminals in one way or another. It appears that way to me anyway.

[liljim]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com?

yes althought it took quite a while to load this time, the last time this was mentioned i went to the site and the page loaded right away.

this time it took 20 seconds or more before it started to show the title banner then the rest slowly filled in.

[eris]

Thanks for the chuckle!


:crazy: That's the pic i can find that is closest to his sketch

[RR0004]

One of the best things that could happen might be if AR was charged with some type of offense in this disaster. It would be to her benefit in many ways, since it would allow continued official supervision of her life for a number of years. Court appointed advocates could make sure that she complied with psychiatric treatment and would prevent the ever intelligent Denise from moving another SO into the house to prey on her and her little sister. Besides making sure that she continues counseling, some sort of court ordered community service would help her to feel self-worth and to feel that she is making up in some small way for her part in Brooke's death. She might even begin to feel that her own torture and abuse were not endured for nothing, if she could in some way help others because of that injury and pain.
Can you even imagine this child, AR, returning to school in the fall?

[close_enough]

The FEDS says that he has families in Vermont. I dont know his relationship with Deloris Gagnon.

yeah, that name came up early on...she's related, but i don't know if she's RG's sister-in-law, or sister.....she's 40 yrs old, thereabouts....

[eris]

That is actually a very common practice that happens more than we'd like. The ones that stick out in my mind the most are from the personal ads for dating. Many of those but with the advancement of all these online dating sites I'd think that's a prime hunting ground now.

In this particular case I myself have the same opinion as you. Another coincidence? Nah!!!

And IMO Kevin is joining the club - His live-in partner has a 17 year old daughter :eek:

[strach304]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com?


Worked for me.:)

[close_enough]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com?

i can...i got this

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8628727

eta...& thanks!

[Liz]

yes althought it took quite a while to load this time, the last time this was mentioned i went to the site and the page loaded right away.

this time it took 20 seconds or more before it started to show the title banner then the rest slowly filled in.


Hi and welcome to WS, liljim. Are you in VT? Because I just tried to access the WCAX site and got the "Under Construction" notice, that some mentioned getting earlier today.

Some members here earlier were thinking it was only accessible by state of VT residents.

[DianeB]

New member here (thanks to chicoliving for the registration assistance!).

Something has been bothering me for days about one of the emails included in an affidavit and I haven’t seen it discussed.

The excerpt of an email from ‘Rauel’ instructing AR to have sex with her boyfriend and get a semen sample goes on to say that she should “get some from” (lined through, but still legible) “dad too.”

We know that Rauel is one of the pseudonyms used by MJ. What would be the purpose of his telling her to collect a sample from himself?

http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/Brooke%20Bennett%20Affidavit%20Jul%203%20emails.pd f

[eris]

yeah, that name came up early on...she's related, but i don't know if she's RG's sister-in-law, or sister.....she's 40 yrs old, thereabouts....


I was curious on who lives on that S royalton's house too - Imagine Michale, AR and Ray was able to have a sex "party" there. :mad:

[strach304]

And IMO Kevin is joining the club - His live-in partner has a 17 year old daughter :eek:

Hopefully she'd be safe because she's too old.

[eris]

Hopefully she'd be safe because she's too old.

Yeah but we dont know how long Kevin and his fiancee been living together

[close_enough]

Does anyone know where Denise is supposed to have been all day, the day Brooke was kidnapped? Was she supposed to be at work, what time did she get home, etc.?
She married a known violent SO shortly after he got out of prison. Doesn't that make it seem likely she was into his sick ways? I don't buy that she's just so stupid that she could find what she did and just shrug it off. She herself stated she found child porn, didn't she? Could she be charged with something just for failing to report that?:eek:

i have no idea..i haven't read anything about her whereabouts that day...seems like one should be charged with something, if they fail to report child porn......gosh, just awful:(

[SewingDeb]

You're welcome Close Enough. I should have said was a stockbroker. After a conviction like that, the company would not want to be associated with him in any way.

[philamena]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com? (http://www.wcax.com?)

I can.

WCAX News has learned that Jacques was first charged with a sex crime 23 years ago but it was dismissed. And, we have also learned that after a 1993 rape conviction, a judge released him from probation EARLY despite the strong objections of prosecutors.

[jnodrog]

I was curious on who lives on that S royalton's house too - Imagine Michale, AR and Ray was able to have a sex "party" there. :mad:
what house is this??

Allen

[philamena]

From the above link:

Eight years later, Jacques was convicted of a kidnapping and raping an 18-year-old woman in Rutland.
Court records say she was gagged and handcuffed with a rope around her neck while he subjected her to depraved and humiliating sexual violence for four hours.


Where is adnoid???
This creep doesn't deserve a trial.

[eris]

what house is this??

Allen

The house of Ray Gagnon's family in Vermont

[SuziQ]

New member here (thanks to chicoliving for the registration assistance!).

Something has been bothering me for days about one of the emails included in an affidavit and I haven’t seen it discussed.

The excerpt of an email from ‘Rauel’ instructing AR to have sex with her boyfriend and get a semen sample goes on to say that she should “get some from” (lined through, but still legible) “dad too.”

We know that Rauel is one of the pseudonyms used by MJ. What would be the purpose of his telling her to collect a sample from himself?

http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/Brooke%20Bennett%20Affidavit%20Jul%203%20emails.pd f

MJ pretending to be Rauel, was just making a request to get sex for himself that night.

[SewingDeb]

can anybody else access www.wcax.com?

I can. Seems to be working now.

[Tom'sGirl]

Hi and welcome to WS, liljim. Are you in VT? Because I just tried to access the WCAX site and got the "Under Construction" notice, that some mentioned getting earlier today.

Some members here earlier were thinking it was only accessible by state of VT residents.
I too get the same message Liz, maybe it's because we're on the West Coast???

[jnodrog]

From the above link:


Where is adnoid???
This creep doesn't deserve a trial.
my understanding was that the woman was from Rutland but actually was taken from a Barre bar.

Allen

[SuziQ]

The house of Ray Gagnon's family in Vermont

That's what I assumed, but do we have confirmation of that?

[Taximom]

The WCAX site opened slowly for me, but it opened.

[close_enough]

New member here (thanks to chicoliving for the registration assistance!).

Something has been bothering me for days about one of the emails included in an affidavit and I haven’t seen it discussed.

The excerpt of an email from ‘Rauel’ instructing AR to have sex with her boyfriend and get a semen sample goes on to say that she should “get some from” (lined through, but still legible) “dad too.”

We know that Rauel is one of the pseudonyms used by MJ. What would be the purpose of his telling her to collect a sample from himself?

http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/Brooke%20Bennett%20Affidavit%20Jul%203%20emails.pd f

wow...hmmm, good catch!....yeah, you can see it ..."yes i ****** (juv 2) right before my dad got home" yada yada yada...then..."i will get some from dad tonight too"

wonder if "get some" means.......hmmm

[close_enough]

The WCAX site opened slowly for me, but it opened.

yeah, i had no problem either, TM..

[eris]

That's what I assumed, but do we have confirmation of that?

Yep - South Royalton Vermont - i dont have the full address but this was mentioned in the news - this is the place where Jacques and Ray had sex with AR

Gagnon also told law enforcement that in June 2007 in Royalton, he and Jacques simultaneously engaged in sex acts with the girl described in the affidavit as Juvenile 1.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701028

[close_enough]

MJ pretending to be Rauel, was just making a request to get sex for himself that night.

how very sickening....& she did it, good god! (some of this is hard to take reading)....wasn't it mentioned in her affidavit that she never met this Raule Domingo person?

[philamena]

my understanding was that the woman was from Rutland but actually was taken from a Barre bar.

Allen

Thank you jnodrog. :)

[close_enough]

Yep - South Royalton Vermont - i dont have the full address but this was mentioned in the news - this is the place where Jacques and Ray had sex with AR

was that address in one of the affidavits???...i know i read about them both having sex with a female minor (Ray Gagnon's affidavit, i believe), but can't remember if it gave an address....

eta....i checked the affidavit....it only states "at a residence in South Royalton"

[DianeB]

MJ pretending to be Rauel, was just making a request to get sex for himself that night.

Playing the sympathy card? He was already on her case about the "rumors that your mom has done some thinking about divorcing your dad" and had been taking phone calls from (as he put it) "your FATHER".

Man, what a slimeball.

[Liz]

I too get the same message Liz, maybe it's because we're on the West Coast???

I can access the direct link to the article -
http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8628727

BUT, just cannot seem to reach their home page.


Eta - welcome Diane B, and any other new people :)

[SuziQ]

Yep - South Royalton Vermont - i dont have the full address but this was mentioned in the news - this is the place where Jacques and Ray had sex with AR

Gagnon also told law enforcement that in June 2007 in Royalton, he and Jacques simultaneously engaged in sex acts with the girl described in the affidavit as Juvenile 1.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701028

Yes, but I don't think it's ever been published who the Royalton house belongs to.

[LaLaw2000]

Well, I wouldn't have used the word "trust", but rather believe and NO, I don't believe anything he or any of the other players in this case so far. They're all going to lie/have lied to try and save their butts.

Hi, TomsGirl!
This case is so crazy! Read this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25521336

I haven't read finished catching up reading, so I do not know if this has been posted yet.

[philamena]

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8632059


Randolph, Vermont - July 7, 2008
It's been five days since Brooke Bennett's body was found in Randolph, and the community is struggling to comprehend what happened. A team of mental health professionals has gathered in Randolph, to help those affected by the tragedy learn how to cope.

[eris]

I'd like to know also if FEDS was able to track down IP ADDRESS use to access the Rauel Domingo's email. I understand that they saw from Jacques work computer that emails from Rauel originated from the PC. What about IP address? Well i do believe that LE will already request that from the email provider. Rauel Domingo is possibly a shared email of Ray and Jacques - Look at Raymond Alfred Gagnon's name - Rauel can be short for Raymond Alfred

[close_enough]

Yes, but I don't think it's ever been published who the Royalton house belongs to.

there's a Rhea Gagnon in South Royalton.....per veromi.com

no age shown, or "possible relatives" though

eta....but i think someone posted very early on that Gagnon is a very common name up in those parts...

[LaLaw2000]

Can anyone find any Vermont relatives of Raymond A. Gagnon in Vermont?

[close_enough]

meant to welcome you, Diane...gosh, so many new folks here, i can't keep up....it's great:)

[w1df10wr]

The WCAX site opened slowly for me, but it opened.

It didn't open for me earlier. Just now, the page opened very quickly.

[eris]

Yes, but I don't think it's ever been published who the Royalton house belongs to.


Right.

[LaLaw2000]

there's a Rhea Gagnon in South Royalton.....per veromi.com

no age shown, or "possible relatives" though

eta....but i think someone posted very early on that Gagnon is a very common name up in those parts...

Hi, close_enough!
I am a new poster here - newbie, LOL.
Anyway, I do not think that we will find any relatives for a Raymond A. Gagnon in Vermont. Look him up in People Finders! Check result #10.

[nanandjim]

Have any of you guys seen that artist's drawing of Ray Gagnon? If so, please go to the "Myspace" thread and see the

photo that I posted and tell me if you think that the framed photo on the wall behind the girl looks like Ray.

[eris]

my understanding was that the woman was from Rutland but actually was taken from a Barre bar.

Allen


Are you from VT?

[SuziQ]

there's a Rhea Gagnon in South Royalton.....per veromi.com

no age shown, or "possible relatives" though

eta....but i think someone posted very early on that Gagnon is a very common name up in those parts...

Thanks!

[ShinaLite]

Hi everyone, I'm Shary and new here...

I have been reading all the threads the last two days...So much info!! You all sure are on top of things wow!

I had a question...In the affidavit there is an email to AR where MJ states that "Kevin" is really "hot for her" or something to that effect...Do you think he could be speaking about Kevin Grosenheider or is it just another imaginary person from Breckenridge??..

Of course we couldn't really know for sure but it's again another one of those coincidences that seem to keep popping up!!

[LaLaw2000]

That form requires fingerprinting and crime disclosure amongst a lot of other info. His license was taken away because he wasn't in compliance and wasn't responding to their requests...wonder what he was hiding?!

All of these bums are criminals in one way or another. It appears that way to me anyway.

Do you think he has assumed a new name? I kind of do!

[Tom'sGirl]

Hi, TomsGirl!
This case is so crazy! Read this link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25521336

I haven't read finished catching up reading, so I do not know if this has been posted yet.
Those poor neighbors, just never know who lives near you!

[close_enough]

Hi, close_enough!
I am a new poster here - newbie, LOL.
Anyway, I do not think that we will find any relatives for a Raymond A. Gagnon in Vermont. Look him up in People Finders! Check result #10.

i only got 1 match...the one with relatives Deloris & Cassandra...i didn't see a result #10....(i don't have a membership or anything for that site though)...what's result #10?

& welcome LL:)

[Adalena935]

Where is the evidence of this? So far the Feds have not even hinted at these guys MAKING porn llet alone distributing it. There has been not a hint of any films or stills of AR being out there on the Internet, just in Gagnon's possession. Not a hint about any camere equipment found at anyone's residence.

I very well might be wrong but I do not think these fools were involved in distrubuting child porn beyond sharing it amongst themselves.



http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf)
Gagnon affidavit
http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Jacques_affidavit.pdf (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Jacques_affidavit.pdf)
Jacques affidavit

The FBI & State Attorney General don't word it exactly the same as you, but it's in these affidavits. To send one child porn photo one time to one person using the Internet carries a life sentence in federal prison. That's making and distributing child porn on the Internet. The Federal codes are in the affidavits. Gagnon confessed to raping one child in Vermont in 2007 and having photos of the named juveniles that he received by Internet.

Enough for probable cause which LE states at the end of the document. It's also not a stretch since Gagnon confessed to FBI to having 5 yrs worth of child porn by Internet that they have been sharing same with others of like-mind using the net to distribute it.

Gagnon confessed to photographic equipment's use and LE names witnesses in those affidavits. It's not all in one paragraph. They don't word it exactly the same as you or I have. It's there though. It's what the charges are all about. Look up the codes they name and you'll see what those laws say & how they pertain to what these adults did re; this case.

[DianeB]

I had a question...In the affidavit there is an email to AR where MJ states that "Kevin" is really "hot for her" or something to that effect...Do you think he could be speaking about Kevin Grosenheider or is it just another imaginary person from Breckenridge??..

Of course we couldn't really know for sure but it's again another one of those coincidences that seem to keep popping up!!

He talks about "Kevin" and "raker" hanging around in the fields, so I think they're locals. Speaking of coincidences, there is a "Raker" listed on veromi.com in S. Royalton...

[LaLaw2000]

i only got 1 match...the one with relatives Deloris & Cassandra...i didn't see a result #10....(i don't have a membership or anything for that site though)...what's result #10?

& welcome LL:)

Thanks for the Welcome!

Most all of them have a blank where the relative space is!

[close_enough]

Hi everyone, I'm Shary and new here...

I have been reading all the threads the last two days...So much info!! You all sure are on top of things wow!

I had a question...In the affidavit there is an email to AR where MJ states that "Kevin" is really "hot for her" or something to that effect...Do you think he could be speaking about Kevin Grosenheider or is it just another imaginary person from Breckenridge??..

Of course we couldn't really know for sure but it's again another one of those coincidences that seem to keep popping up!!

i noticed that also...wasn't there another name...actually there were a few names mentioned.....wonder who Ash is?...someone close to (juv 1?) i suppose.......

my eyes are getting tired...i've worked hard the last 4 days, & i get to sleep in tomorrow (day off).......night all:)

[close_enough]

Thanks for the Welcome!

Most all of them have a blank where the relative space is!

oh, ok....hmm

[LaLaw2000]

Those poor neighbors, just never know who lives near you!

I know. But something is not right here!

[close_enough]

He talks about "Kevin" and "raker" hanging around in the fields, so I think they're locals. Speaking of coincidences, there is a "Raker" listed on veromi.com in S. Royalton...

that's interesting!.....

[SuziQ]

He talks about "Kevin" and "raker" hanging around in the fields, so I think they're locals. Speaking of coincidences, there is a "Raker" listed on veromi.com in S. Royalton...

You guys might be on to something.

RG= Rauel

KG=Kevin

Raker=S. Royalton house.

[Taximom]

Do you think he has assumed a new name? I kind of do!

I can't find any info on that NASD case (probably because it was 2001). It looks like he was an independent member, not associated with a brokerage firm or bank (at least for that case or at that time). Maybe I missed something else here about him, but there had to be some investigation going on where he didn't want to re-register OR provide whatever information they were looking for. It could have turned into a criminal case at some point.

I just think it's strange how so many of the involved and their acquaintances or family members are criminals! Well, not strange, but y'all know what I mean.

[Adalena935]

Hi, close_enough!
I am a new poster here - newbie, LOL.
Anyway, I do not think that we will find any relatives for a Raymond A. Gagnon in Vermont. Look him up in People Finders! Check result #10.

http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name (http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name)

138 Gagnon surnames in VT with other possible relatives in the far right column.

[Busylady]

I have looked but way too many Gagnon names and no way to verify that it is his family.

Can anyone find any Vermont relatives of Raymond A. Gagnon in Vermont?

[ShinaLite]

He talks about "Kevin" and "raker" hanging around in the fields, so I think they're locals. Speaking of coincidences, there is a "Raker" listed on veromi.com in S. Royalton...


you know that was my first thought too...the fields being literally farming fields but then I sorta wondered if the term was used as it is as say in any big organization "out in the fields"
traveling, recruiting ect..
He seemed to want AR to think Breckenridge was this big organization...in which even the president was involved!!

Interesting about Raker...

[LaLaw2000]

You guys might be on to something.

RG= Rauel

KG=Kevin

Raker=S. Royalton house.

I think so also, except for one thing.
I do not want to violate TOS, so is it permissible to say something such as 'in my opinion' meaning I am not saying I could even be right?

[LaLaw2000]

http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name (http://www.peoplelookup.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&searchform=name)

138 Gagnon surnames in VT with other possible relatives in the far right column.


Hi, Adalena! I am not getting the same result! :(

[Reannan]

First, I just want to say that you guys and gals are doing an astounding job with this case - as usual. I do have one question that may be a stupid question. Where did the name "Breckenridge" come from for the sex ring??? That seems odd to me. Any ideas???

[w1df10wr]

i noticed that also...wasn't there another name...actually there were a few names mentioned.....wonder who Ash is?...someone close to (juv 1?) i suppose.......

my eyes are getting tired...i've worked hard the last 4 days, & i get to sleep in tomorrow (day off).......night all:)

I thought it was mentioned in a previous thread that Ash might be the younger sister of AR.

[Busylady]

Im not sure how much family Gagnon even has in VT. When it was said he was here frequently to visit family and thats all they were saying on that, could mean that he came to see Cassandra and the step children. In 2000 he lived in Alabama and Cassandra moved there to be with him.

They actually moved there before 2000, but didnt get married until 2000.

[Busylady]

I wish we could figure that out, I have racked my brain trying to come up with any ideas at all and I am at a loss.

First, I just want to say that you guys and gals are doing an astounding job with this case - as usual. I do have one question that may be a stupid question. Where did the name "Breckenridge" come from for the sex ring??? That seems odd to me. Any ideas???

[close_enough]

I think so also, except for one thing.
I do not want to violate TOS, so is it permissible to say something such as 'in my opinion' meaning I am not saying I could even be right?

yes!....in your opinion (imo):)

[SuziQ]

I think so also, except for one thing.
I do not want to violate TOS, so is it permissible to say something such as 'in my opinion' meaning I am not saying I could even be right?

Yes. I use IMO, all the time! lol

[LaLaw2000]

yes!....in your opinion (imo):)

IN MY OPINION, Raker is Kevins long lost brother/cousin - whichever!

[Adalena935]

First, I just want to say that you guys and gals are doing an astounding job with this case - as usual. I do have one question that may be a stupid question. Where did the name "Breckenridge" come from for the sex ring??? That seems odd to me. Any ideas???

That's a good question. I have no idea. I wonder if that information will come out during trial(s)? Kind of an interesting sidenote.

[ShinaLite]

I think so also, except for one thing.
I do not want to violate TOS, so is it permissible to say something such as 'in my opinion' meaning I am not saying I could even be right?

noted :) eek don't want to get banned my first day posting....will include "in my own opinion" when I am speculating...

Thanks Lalaw...

[Adalena935]

Hi, Adalena! I am not getting the same result! :(

Ah, it times out pretty fast. Just google People Search. It'll give you some listings. Click on the 1st listing.

Then type in just the last name (gagnon) & Vermont (for the state)

You'll get 138 listings.

[LaLaw2000]

Have any of you guys seen that artist's drawing of Ray Gagnon? If so, please go to the "Myspace" thread and see the

photo that I posted and tell me if you think that the framed photo on the wall behind the girl looks like Ray.

nanandjim,

Looking at Savannah's MySpace page, scroll down and click on friend JOHN. He has a heck of a banner for someone. UGH

[VTNance]

I do have one question that may be a stupid question. Where did the name "Breckenridge" come from for the sex ring??? That seems odd to me. Any ideas???

I was reading the thread quite a way back that listed some of Jacques' relatives. There was a great-uncle (?) that had moved to Vestaburg, MI. I don't know how long ago. Anyway, I checked on the RSO map there just to see if he might be on it. He wasn't, but there is a "Breckinridge Road" on the map!

[DianeB]

Has a new affidavit been released?

According to a story just posted in the online edition of the Cullman Times,

The document also reveals that a former co-worker of Gagnon, Bill Barksdale, contacted authorities after seeing a TV report on Gagnon’s charges to inform them Gagnon owned a home in Cullman.

An unnamed relative of Barksdale, who lives near the residence, said they recently observed Gagnon entering the residence with computers, the document states.

How many computers does this guy have?

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_189231932.html

[LaLaw2000]

Ah, it times out pretty fast. Just google People Search. It'll give you some listings. Click on the 1st listing.

Then type in just the last name (gagnon) & Vermont (for the state)

You'll get 138 listings.


Yes, but are any possible relatives Raymond A. Gagnon?

[Adalena935]

I must say this is quite startling information about U.S. District court in Alabama bringing charges against Gagnon today for posession of child porn in that state. I'm glad. I believe the federal prosecutors will end up with a lot of evidence against these two men and put them away for life.

[LaLaw2000]

Has a new affidavit been released?

According to a story just posted in the online edition of the Cullman Times,

The document also reveals that a former co-worker of Gagnon, Bill Barksdale, contacted authorities after seeing a TV report on Gagnon’s charges to inform them Gagnon owned a home in Cullman.

An unnamed relative of Barksdale, who lives near the residence, said they recently observed Gagnon entering the residence with computers, the document states.

How many computers does this guy have?

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_189231932.html


:eek::eek::eek::eek:

[Adalena935]

I was reading the thread quite a way back that listed some of Jacques' relatives. There was a great-uncle (?) that had moved to Vestaburg, MI. I don't know how long ago. Anyway, I checked on the RSO map there just to see if he might be on it. He wasn't, but there is a "Breckinridge Road" on the map!

Well that's quite a coincidence isn't it. These people are so creepy.

[Adalena935]

Yes, but are any possible relatives Raymond A. Gagnon?

I have no idea. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them are.

[RR0004]

http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf)
Gagnon affidavit
http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Jacques_affidavit.pdf (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Jacques_affidavit.pdf)
Jacques affidavit

The FBI & State Attorney General don't word it exactly the same as you, but it's in these affidavits. To send one child porn photo one time to one person using the Internet carries a life sentence in federal prison. That's making and distributing child porn on the Internet. The Federal codes are in the affidavits. Gagnon confessed to raping one child in Vermont in 2007 and having photos of the named juveniles that he received by Internet.

Enough for probable cause which LE states at the end of the document. It's also not a stretch since Gagnon confessed to FBI to having 5 yrs worth of child porn by Internet that they have been sharing same with others of like-mind using the net to distribute it.

Gagnon confessed to photographic equipment's use and LE names witnesses in those affidavits. It's not all in one paragraph. They don't word it exactly the same as you or I have. It's there though. It's what the charges are all about. Look up the codes they name and you'll see what those laws say & how they pertain to what these adults did re; this case.
IIRC from the affidavit...and heck if I want to go back and take another look, he confessed to her grabbing his _ _ _ _ _ and putting it in her mouth...he said he never had vaginal intercourse with AR. (Yeah, like any of us believe him!) Is there a code for rape in the affidavit?

[Tom'sGirl]

GAGNON, RAYMOND A (Age 40)
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http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifAssociated names:
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GAGNON, RAY
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CULLMAN, ALhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
RANDOLPH, VThttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLOOMINGDALE, GAhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLUE SPRINGS, MShttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
CARIBOU, ME
Possible Relatives:
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GAGNON, DELORIS N (Age 40)
GAGNON, CASSANDRA M (Age 51)
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Possible Roommates / Associates:
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KIRK, CATHIE LEE<--------------?

[LaLaw2000]

I have no idea. Wouldn't surprise me if some of them are.

Well, it is just my opinion that Raymond Alfred Gagnon is a ficticious name until I know better. Also he and Cassandra were married in Alabama. IMO, IMO, IMO

In the white pages online, this guy has several phone numbers unless he kept changing them for some reason. And I am going to add IMO, IMO, IMO. It is not fact, just my speculation!

[RR0004]

:eek::eek::eek::eek:
It (meaning his bringing in the computers) had to be before he was arrested back in Vermont...and part of the new charges announced today.

[LaLaw2000]

GAGNON, RAYMOND A (Age 40)
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http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifAssociated names:
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GAGNON, RAY
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifAvailable(5)Available
CULLMAN, ALhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
RANDOLPH, VThttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLOOMINGDALE, GAhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLUE SPRINGS, MShttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
CARIBOU, ME
Possible Relatives:
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
GAGNON, DELORIS N (Age 40)
GAGNON, CASSANDRA M (Age 51)
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
Possible Roommates / Associates:
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
KIRK, CATHIE LEE


That's it, Tom'sGirl!

Wanna bet that the woman at the San Antonio residence is the possible room mate listed here?

[LaLaw2000]

It (meaning his bringing in the computers) had to be before he was arrested back in Vermont...and part of the new charges announced today.

YES!!

And now he has been caught redhanded! I just hope none of the images are of any of the Vermont girls.

[w1df10wr]

GAGNON, RAYMOND A (Age 40)
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifAssociated names:
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
GAGNON, RAY
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifAvailable(5)Available
CULLMAN, ALhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
RANDOLPH, VThttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLOOMINGDALE, GAhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
BLUE SPRINGS, MShttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
CARIBOU, ME
Possible Relatives:
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
GAGNON, DELORIS N (Age 40)
GAGNON, CASSANDRA M (Age 51)
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
Possible Roommates / Associates:
http://www.veromi.net/images/spacer.gif
KIRK, CATHIE LEE<--------------?

Thank you, Tom'sGirl.

The Deloris Gagnon age 40 could be Raymond's sister, cousin or ex wife?

[Taximom]

IIRC from the affidavit...and heck if I want to go back and take another look, he confessed to her grabbing his _ _ _ _ _ and putting it in her mouth...he said he never had vaginal intercourse with AR. (Yeah, like any of us believe him!) Is there a code for rape in the affidavit?

:mad: Oh, that part made me mad. Like he was just standing there naked while she's being raped by MJ and she voluntarily reaches out and :behindbar.

[LaLaw2000]

Forgot to add that he sure did not bring those with him on the plane!

[ShinaLite]

It (meaning his bringing in the computers) had to be before he was arrested back in Vermont...and part of the new charges announced today.

If he was in the mind set of bringing all that stuff to Alabama to hide it, then why the whole part about him calling the KG to get rid of the safe....why didn't he take this too? Or did he and KG lied?

imo

[Adalena935]

Has a new affidavit been released?

According to a story just posted in the online edition of the Cullman Times,

The document also reveals that a former co-worker of Gagnon, Bill Barksdale, contacted authorities after seeing a TV report on Gagnon’s charges to inform them Gagnon owned a home in Cullman.

An unnamed relative of Barksdale, who lives near the residence, said they recently observed Gagnon entering the residence with computers, the document states.

How many computers does this guy have?

http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_189231932.html

Oh my gosh, what a find. Thanks for posting this story. It's kind of interesting the way they word some of the charges. I'm not exactly sure if they're talking about the initial state charges or the federal charges. I know he'll be charged federally for transporting child porn across state lines and I don't mean physical necessary. Them transporting it by Internet is crime enough to put them away for life.

Thank heavens for all the good people who are helping LE's efforts in this. These men are no good and need to be removed from society. No doubt neither will see the light of day again as well they shouldn't.

ETA: Neither of them are the sharpest knives in the drawer.

[LaLaw2000]

If he was in the mind set of bringing all that stuff to Alabama to hide it, then why the whole part about him calling the KG to get rid of the safe....why didn't he take this too? Or did he and KG lied?

imo

I think it is pretty safe to say that they are all liars at this point. I also think they were big time into manufacturing, selling, and swapping child porn and no telling what all else.

[DianeB]

Forgot to add that he sure did not bring those with him on the plane!

Two words: flash drive. You can store thousands of pictures on those puppies, and they're no bigger than a cigarette lighter.

However, he would have had to give them to the TSA rep at the airport to make sure nothing was magnetically erased. Would like to see what that footage shows.

[LaLaw2000]

noted :) eek don't want to get banned my first day posting....will include "in my own opinion" when i am speculating...

Thanks lalaw...


:).... Yw

[ShinaLite]

I think it is pretty safe to say that they are all liars at this point. I also think they were big time into manufacturing, selling, and swapping child porn and no telling what all else.


imo, it sure is looking that way...

[DianeB]

My personal opinion is that Gagnon had any number of removable hard drives. He kept some in the safe that he asked Grosenheider to dump at a different apt. complex, but could easily have kept a flash drive or two on him at all times for a quick 'fix'. Euww.

[Jaded]

Okay, here is something that is bothering me from the Affidavit of RG (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf):


Brooke was last seen at 9:20 AM on June 25th at Cumberland Farms, and she was not reported missing until around 9 PM EST on June 25. From page 6 of the Affidavit for RG it states that a "...Myspace posting set forth in paragraph 6 of this affidavit was initially posted from JACQUES laptop computer on June 24, 2008 at 11:40:35 PM EST. This forensic information is consistent with information provided by Myspace." [emphasis added] Post that she allegedly made at that time.



Just 4 Skittlemeup

I know i promised never 2 post u on this page but i know u read both of mine all the time. I don't care use my other one at my cousins because my aunt and uncle gotta know my passwords and stuff and get freaked. Nobody but u and me can know about the other one! I do want to see you in the morning so please meet me... u know where. I think i have a good plan to sneak around this. My mom will kill me but then I'm going 2 Texas and she will get over it. Sorry I was such a baby last time. Promise u not this time!! U can bring ur friend but u have 2 admit that's pretty weird.

I cant wait 2 see what u got me 4 my b-day surprise!! Ur so good 2 me when we r able 2 b together. I hate that I wont see u till ur classes start again in the fall but i love that we can b together one more time. It just might last me for the summer. They say ur first is the one u always want and that's u baby! This girl don't sneak out of her house at 2 in the morning 4 just any man! OMG if only people knew me 4 real!

See you there!

Question: Why was it done the night before she was reported missing if her disappearance/death wasn't premeditated?

[jyram]

I don't think the ppl search stuff is really current, either...which site do you use? I use intelius...
a little OT, but I've been married for two years and I find absolutely nothing on me under my married name, but a wealth of info under my maiden name.

[eris]

If he was in the mind set of bringing all that stuff to Alabama to hide it, then why the whole part about him calling the KG to get rid of the safe....why didn't he take this too? Or did he and KG lied?

imo

Looks like it. Imagine , he's in Texas already - he went to Alabama to clean up some mess - but didnt clean up his mess in San Antonio first and have somebody else do it? Hmmm I would think that if Kevin is innocent on this then the Safe is already empty when he asked him to throw it or Kevin is lying and didnt throw anything at all IMO.

[RR0004]

If he was in the mind set of bringing all that stuff to Alabama to hide it, then why the whole part about him calling the KG to get rid of the safe....why didn't he take this too? Or did he and KG lied?

imo
I'm thinking it was a lie...and to throw LE off...have them going in a different location. Geniuses they're not.

[Taximom]

Okay, here is something that is bothering me from the Affidavit of RG (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf):


Brooke was last seen at 9:20 AM on June 25th at Cumberland Farms, and she was not reported missing until around 9 PM EST on June 25. From page 6 of the Affidavit for RG it states that a "...Myspace posting set forth in paragraph 6 of this affidavit was initially posted from JACQUES laptop computer on June 24, 2008 at 11:40:35 PM EST. This forensic information is consistent with information provided by Myspace." [emphasis added] Post that she allegedly made at that time.



Question: Why was it done the night before she was reported missing if her disappearance/death wasn't premeditated?

I agree with you that this was premeditated. MJ had this whole story made up that AR caught Brooke up late at night posting on her TX bf's myspace before her "disappearance".

I sure would like to know why Brooke had to be killed.

[RR0004]

Okay, here is something that is bothering me from the Affidavit of RG (http://blackpearl.wcax.com/documents/Gagnon_affidavit.pdf):


Brooke was last seen at 9:20 AM on June 25th at Cumberland Farms, and she was not reported missing until around 9 PM EST on June 25. From page 6 of the Affidavit for RG it states that a "...Myspace posting set forth in paragraph 6 of this affidavit was initially posted from JACQUES laptop computer on June 24, 2008 at 11:40:35 PM EST. This forensic information is consistent with information provided by Myspace." [emphasis added] Post that she allegedly made at that time.



Question: Why was it done the night before she was reported missing if her disappearance/death wasn't premeditated?
It was planned for at least a month.

[RR0004]

I agree with you that this was premeditated. MJ had this whole story made up that AR caught Brooke up late at night posting on her TX bf's myspace before her "disappearance".

I sure would like to know why Brooke had to be killed.
I've asked myself that a thousand times, "WHY?"

[DianeB]

On the night Brooke was reported missing, Jacques called RG's cell at least six times, according to one of the affidavits. Four calls were between 9:30 -11pm, which is also the time period in which the VT state police detectives came to his home.

Jacques called Gagnon's cell again at 12:40ish and spoke to him for 23 minutes. One minute later he called the detective for an "update", and immediately thereafter made another 20+min. call to Gagnon's cell.

Gagnon flew to Alabama the following day and (according to Fox News) "acknowledged trying to access the account again from a public computer in the Cullman library "on or about" June 26, the next day. "

I'm guessing his vacant house no longer had web access, or he'd have done it there.

Maybe he figured his porn collection back in TX would be safe for the time being, but wanted to clean out anything incriminating in the Alabama house in case the cops went there looking for Brooke.

[SeriouslySearching]

Everyone has been really busy today! Wow! Great job as always, WSers!

Welcome to the new members here! :wave: I have a lot of catching up to do this evening or I would properly welcome you.

My head is spinning with all the new information. The idea that Rauel could be RG had crossed my mind before, but the Kevin and Raker are quite interesting theories. It is possible, but you would think by now that they would be in custody because LE would have been able to trace some correspondence to MJ and to AR from their accounts.

The house in S. Royalton is curious, too. I had not stopped to think about where the act had taken place between AR, MJ, and RG. I looked it up before and it seemed so close to MJ's house tho. I guess I dismissed it then. I think we do need to figure this out.

Maybe one of our computer savy techies could answer this for me: If they were sending out live shots from a webcam...how would the FBI be able to verify it? Can they verify it? Can they tell where the live shots were received? Can you "record" or otherwise keep a live session via webcam? I would like to know more about this aspect of it. I wouldn't put it past them to have done many things with a live cam with AR or others (including as someone mentioned about the hidden cameras in the bathrooms or showers etc.).

While the FBI and LE have mentioned they don't believe the child sex ring is larger, it is obvious the child porn ring could very well be. We have one man alone running to 3 states in 2 days to cover their @sses. I don't believe he did this for the child porn he downloaded on his computers. It had to be something much more, imo.

[VTNance]

I've asked myself that a thousand times, "WHY?"

IMO: to fulfill MJ's depraved fantasy, record it, and profit from it.

[Adalena935]

IIRC from the affidavit...and heck if I want to go back and take another look, he confessed to her grabbing his _ _ _ _ _ and putting it in her mouth...he said he never had vaginal intercourse with AR. (Yeah, like any of us believe him!) Is there a code for rape in the affidavit?

By codes I mean the laws. There's many code (Law) violations listed in both affidavits against Gagnon & Jacques. I think the legal term for rape is sexual assault, but not positive.

The codes named in the affidavits tell what the violations are that Law Enforcement has against them at any rate. Federal statute is anyone under 18 is a child by law. There are many sexual acts named in the affidavits but it doesn't matter because any sexual activity with any minor is against the law &a