Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #16

[christine2448]

Please continue general discussions here.

Be sure to read this STICKY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67094) before proceeding to post.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found towards the bottom of this page.

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you for the new link Christine and for the Be sure to read this STICKY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67094)

[DeltaDawn]

Thank you Christine for the new thread.

[Busylady]

I was trying to map sex offenders by Brookes home and MJs home and discovered he wasnt there, unfortunately when I put in MJs address it comes back with 3 sex offenders unmappable so no clue how close they are to his home or who they are.

I just feel in my gut there are more involved in this so wanted to check out known sex offenders in the area.

[Tom'sGirl]

I was trying to map sex offenders by Brookes home and MJs home and discovered he wasnt there, unfortunately when I put in MJs address it comes back with 3 sex offenders unmappable so no clue how close they are to his home or who they are.

I just feel in my gut there are more involved in this so wanted to check out known sex offenders in the area.
I'm still at a loss as to why MJ is no longer on the Register :confused:

[w1df10wr]

Thank you Christine for the new thread :)

[RR0004]

I was trying to map sex offenders by Brookes home and MJs home and discovered he wasnt there, unfortunately when I put in MJs address it comes back with 3 sex offenders unmappable so no clue how close they are to his home or who they are.

I just feel in my gut there are more involved in this so wanted to check out known sex offenders in the area.
Very good idea, Busylady!

[Busylady]

Same here, unless it has something to do with being in custody. I know in my state you are still shown on the registry it just shows incarerated as the address.
I'm still at a loss as to why MJ is no longer on the Register :confused:

[barb0301]

I'm still at a loss as to why MJ is no longer on the Register :confused:

Would it be because he is now in custody?

[Tom'sGirl]

Same here, unless it has something to do with being in custody. I know in my state you are still shown on the registry it just shows incarerated as the address.
It does out here also!

[dark_shadows]

Jacques is not on the sex offender registry due to the fact that he is no longer in the community.

The registry is for offenders in the community, not for those incarcerated.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[Tom'sGirl]

Jacques is not on the sex offender registry due to the fact that he is no longer in the community.

The registry is for offenders in the community, not for those incarcerated.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows
Thank you for clearing that up d_s. Our State does not remove them.

[DianeB]

The registry is for offenders in the community, not for those incarcerated.Thank you for the clarification.

Dark_shadows, I hope you don't mind my asking, but are you in some way connected with law enforcement in Vermont? You seem very knowledgeable!

[Busylady]

Thanks for letting us know. Kansas leaves them on the registry.

Jacques is not on the sex offender registry due to the fact that he is no longer in the community.

The registry is for offenders in the community, not for those incarcerated.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[RR0004]

Jacques is not on the sex offender registry due to the fact that he is no longer in the community.

The registry is for offenders in the community, not for those incarcerated.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows
That's my girl...thanks so much for clearing that one up!!

[dark_shadows]

That's my girl...thanks so much for clearing that one up!!
My very dearest RR,:blowkiss:
As always my very dear friend, all of my Love and Respect to you,

Yours truly,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

Thank you for the clarification.

Dark_shadows, I hope you don't mind my asking, but are you in some way connected with law enforcement in Vermont? You seem very knowledgeable!


Dearest DianeB,:blowkiss:
I retired after 14 years as a Correctional Officer for the State of Vermont.
(early retirement 2007)
I worked in both of the facilities that Jacques and Gagnon are held in.
Also during those years, I was a member of the Corrections Security Threat Group.
I was employed by a city Police Department prior to that.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Jaded]

Same here, unless it has something to do with being in custody. I know in my state you are still shown on the registry it just shows incarerated as the address.

My state will show them when incarcerated as well.

[HarvestMoon]

I'm surprised this case has not received more media attention. Nothing has been mentioned on either Nancy Grace or Greta.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm surprised this case has not received more media attention. Nothing has been mentioned on either Nancy Grace or Greta.
Sadly, due to an overload of crime in the news the minute they cover the story, they move on to another one!

[joga]

forgive me if this has been discussed, i really have been trying to keep up!

has there been any discussion of the "Corey" that is referred to in the affidavit? in their e-mail exchanges on page 12? do you think that this is just some other e-mail persona and not someone she actually knew? i'm confused because MJ was saying "please let Corey know...",like it was a real person.

thoughts?

[HarvestMoon]

Sadly, due to an overload of crime in the news the minute they cover the story, they move on to another one!


I wish they would move on from Christie Brinkley and her divorce.

[RR0004]

I wish they would move on from Christie Brinkley and her divorce.
But relevant...he may lose "joint custody" because of his porn addiction.

[DianeB]

Thank you, dark_shadows. Now I understand how you come by your expertise!

[Jaded]

forgive me if this has been discussed, i really have been trying to keep up!

has there been any discussion of the "Corey" that is referred to in the affidavit? in their e-mail exchanges on page 12? do you think that this is just some other e-mail persona and not someone she actually knew? i'm confused because MJ was saying "please let Corey know...",like it was a real person.

thoughts?

joga, there has been speculation regarding this person, but nothing concrete other than the mentions in the Affidavit.

[liljim]

I'm surprised this case has not received more media attention. Nothing has been mentioned on either Nancy Grace or Greta.

i was just about to watch the nancy grace replay, she doesnt talk about the case at all?

thanx for saving me some time :)

[Vegas Bride]

I'm still at a loss as to why MJ is no longer on the Register :confused:

Maybe because he was successful in completing his sex offender class :furious:

VB

[Tom'sGirl]

Maybe because he was successful in completing his sex offender class :furious:

VB
d_s explained it here http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2362806&postcount=11

[eris]

Based on this affidavit :
http://www.websleuths.com/adnoid/bennett/BT11210673.pdf
Page 12

Who is Jacques referring to as "Dad"?
He said on the email to Juvenile 1 -
"Dad is rip**** because he is about to lose his mind because he justs wants it over with. I understand him, but it's better to wait until we are more sure of safety for you and him than if we rush it and mistake is made and things go bad

[Starr58]

RANDOLPH, Vt. -- Family and friends filed into Randolph Union High School on Tuesday night to pay their respects to Brooke Bennett.

Brooke, 12, disappeared on June 25 after she was last seen with her uncle at a convenience store in town. Her remains were found a week later alongside a street near her uncle's house.

Friends and classmates mourned their friend during calling hours Tuesday night.

"She's just a good friend and I loved her, I'll always love her," said Jacquelyn Lumbra, Brooke's classmate and friend. "We used to go swimming. She'd spend the night at my house, I'd spend the night at her house. We just always had fun together."

http://www.wptz.com/news/16825971/detail.html

[eris]

Another email from Chvy_21 to Juvenile :

"Tell Dad to relax"

What the heck - if Jacques owns chvy_21@yahoo.com then who is he referring to as DAD? I have a feeling that 1-2 people are accessing this email not just Jacques IMO.

[eris]

Hmmm these two email addresses chvy21@yahoo.com and raueldom@yahoo.com are only access at MJ's home and work. - Does his laptop have a VPN connections? Does his work allows him to connect using VPN or remote connections? Then if YES - Ray can be anywhere connecting to MJ's VPN connections at work and can access the internet there using Remote connections , use the internet there goes to Yahoo and access these yahoo accounts/emails and it will still show MJ's work's ip address and not his IMO.

[eris]

Sleuthers - any findings on this person David John Alexander Jr - Is this an older son of Denise? - ANCESTRY.COM shows that Denise Woodard is his mother. If he's a son of Denise - where is this guy?

[Schmerty_Jones]

Some how ,it should be possible that these perverts ,nevr have or are unable to have children!

[eris]

I want to see the affidavit for the CellPhone Companies on Text Messaging between their cellphones.

Do you think FEDS have these by now?

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm these two email addresses chvy21@yahoo.com and raueldom@yahoo.com are only access at MJ's home and work. - Does his laptop have a VPN connections? Does his work allows him to connect using VPN or remote connections? Then if YES - Ray can be anywhere connecting to MJ's VPN connections at work and can access the internet there using Remote connections , use the internet there goes to Yahoo and access these yahoo accounts/emails and it will still show MJ's work's ip address and not his IMO.I sure hope that LE will find out for certain if this could have happened. :eek:

[Busylady]

The mother for David John Alexander Jr is Mary Denise Woodard which is not our Denise.

Sleuthers - any findings on this person David John Alexander Jr - Is this an older son of Denise? - ANCESTRY.COM shows that Denise Woodard is his mother. If he's a son of Denise - where is this guy?

[SeriouslySearching]

I want to see the affidavit for the CellPhone Companies on Text Messaging between their cellphones.

Do you think FEDS have these by now?I would assume this was one of the first search warrants served. There were over 25 at the first of the investigation and we haven't seen them. I would say they do have them by now and know what conversations took place between all the parties they suspect are involved in this.

[SeriouslySearching]

The mother for David John Alexander Jr is Mary Denise Woodard which is not our Denise.Thanks, Busy! I guess that clears that up! (You are so good!)

[SeriouslySearching]

I see I have a lot of catching up to do here again! Work interferes with my "job" here so much!! I am an entire thread behind now.

I saw "we" had a warning from Christine! Sorry if I am one of the guilty parties on that one, I honestly don't remember. I plead the fifth! LOL

Dark and Vtgirl~ Thanks for posting Gagnon's photo! We finally get to see what that POS looks like! (Pretty much like I thought he did guessing from the sketch) While he does look more professional than MJ, he still looks like scum to me. I still find it quite curious why this is one of the very few photos of him. Where is his mugshot? (Or have I not gotten to it on the next thread yet?) We know he had to have one and they didn't mind putting out MJ's at all.

[w1df10wr]

Another email from Chvy_21 to Juvenile :

"Tell Dad to relax"

What the heck - if Jacques owns chvy_21@yahoo.com then who is he referring to as DAD? I have a feeling that 1-2 people are accessing this email not just Jacques IMO.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080704/NEWS01/80703030

~The affidavit said police were able to determine both characters were created by Jacques and made to appear to be members of the Breckenridge program.~

It would be easy for MJ to masquerade as chvy & rauel, with only email communication to AR, imo. It will be interesting to see if this was only MJ or did he allow others access to those accounts.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was just on the myspace thread. I had always assumed AR thought that Rauel was much older (40s) by the way the conversation read. I never thought about her even considering he was only 19 years old. It puts that email in a different context in how she talked to him, imo. (Of course, we know it was MJ or at least an older man.)

[SeriouslySearching]

Another email from Chvy_21 to Juvenile :

"Tell Dad to relax"

What the heck - if Jacques owns chvy_21@yahoo.com then who is he referring to as DAD? I have a feeling that 1-2 people are accessing this email not just Jacques IMO.My theory is that he refers to MJ being "dad" because she is to believe he was chosen just for her (as suggested in the baby dream) and in this context would call him dad as in future father-in-law. (I could, of course, be totally wrong!)

[eris]

Thanks all for your responses. I hope we can see more affidavits soon.

[eris]

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080704/NEWS01/80703030

~The affidavit said police were able to determine both characters were created by Jacques and made to appear to be members of the Breckenridge program.~

It would be easy for MJ to masquerade as chvy & rauel, with only email communication to AR, imo. It will be interesting to see if this was only MJ or did he allow others access to those accounts.

Hi

I am aware of what FEDS said about the emails but there are things that doesnt make sense and FEDS are just basing their informations ( as far as i can see on the media ) that Jacques is the only one who can access these emails due to the IP address who accessed these two emails.

[eris]

The mother for David John Alexander Jr is Mary Denise Woodard which is not our Denise.

Thanks Busylady

[eris]

I sure hope that LE will find out for certain if this could have happened. :eek:

For LE to find out then they will need to have another SW to access Thermadyne server - But their server might not be logging in IP addresses who connects remotely to the server. Sometimes they authorize users in the server by their username and password only.

[eris]

My theory is that he refers to MJ being "dad" because she is to believe he was chosen just for her (as suggested in the baby dream) and in this context would call him dad as in future father-in-law. (I could, of course, be totally wrong!)

I dont know but AR's responses to those emails seems to be a little bit more serious than just ordinary lovey dovey dream this dream that future talk IMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

For LE to find out then they will need to have another SW to access Thermadyne server - But their server might not be logging in IP addresses who connects remotely to the server. Sometimes they authorize users in the server by their username and password only.I do hope they have a savy Eris of their own who knows this techie stuff! If not, maybe they need to hire you. :) It makes a lot of sense.

[SeriouslySearching]

I dont know but AR's responses to those emails seems to be a little bit more serious than just ordinary lovey dovey dream this dream that future talk IMO.Yes, very serious since they were planning an abduction/torture/murder! However, I was speaking more to the way she was talking to him as opposed to the actual conversation. (Did I mention I just took my benadryl and am fading here?! LOL So I hope this makes sense!)

[eris]

I do hope they have a savy Eris of their own who knows this techie stuff! If not, maybe they need to hire you. :) It makes a lot of sense.

LOL ill volunteer for free! But i am pretty sure that their computer forensic team knew how to deal with these stuff but i had experienced when some LE contacted our department to get some informations/logs on a particular phone number and they said that their study shows we are the provider -LOL the number to check the provider clearly stated that it is an AT&T number and not ours - That tells us that they make simple mistakes too . But most companies who issued laptop to their employees normally have VPN access to their servers, that's why i thought that anybody can be logging in to the server and connect to the internet there and their ip wont show up in any logs.

[eris]

Yes, very serious since they were planning an abduction/torture/murder! However, I was speaking more to the way she was talking to him as opposed to the actual conversation. (Did I mention I just took my benadryl and am fading here?! LOL So I hope this makes sense!)

Yup - make sense :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Eris for those explanations in tech talk. :) I wouldn't have thought about that and it is a valid point in figuring out who could have accessed his email accounts! Now, I am wondering. (also going back to bed!)

[eris]

Thanks, Eris for those explanations in tech talk. :) I wouldn't have thought about that and it is a valid point in figuring out who could have accessed his email accounts! Now, I am wondering. (also going back to bed!)

Goodnight! You give us good insights on this case too - Normally these porn stuff collectors and producers are pretty savvy on computers too - Because if they arent - they'll be busted right away IMO.

[liljim]

i dont see anything in the emails that is inconsistent with the author of all of them being MJ himself.

[Cornflower]

OT: I just learned that a man who raped an 8-year old girl in Finland was convicted for 2 years and 2 months. This was the sentence from the Court of Appeal and the next level would be the Supreme Court - I do hope that they will appeal, I just can´t understand that verdict!:furious:

[VTNance]

Earlier, people were wondering who "Ash" might be in the emails between AR and "Rauel." She says that she wouldn't want anything to happen to her sister, I think, then "that would be like something happening to Ash."

It seems to me that maybe Ash is just somebody made up as part of the Rauel backstory--his little sister or something--just another detail to make him seem more real, and like somebody AR could identify with (she has a little sister too). ???

[texas48]

I'm surprised this case has not received more media attention. Nothing has been mentioned on either Nancy Grace or Greta.
Case was mentioned on Greta last night, not alot of details but some.

[gigi2009]

http://http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html

[MCDRAW]

http://http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html


I can't get this link to work. It says error site can't be found.

[christine2448]

I can't get this link to work. It says error site can't be found.

same for me...I am just going to necn.com and maybe I can see, it's about Brooke's funeral I can tell by the link :(

[cheko1]

DianeB posted this link / I went back to read it again.
Here's a link to the interview a reporter from that paper conducted with Brooke's grandmother, Lucinda Milne.....
.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027 (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880701027)

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”

A good uncle does not murder 'HIS NIECE'!
How can any Grandma say MJ loves his kids when he did what he did to AR???? Plus torture & murder BB & HOW, HOW, HOW?????

I can't comprehend the mentality of this woman. :furious: :furious: :furious:

[christine2448]

same for me...I am just going to necn.com and maybe I can see, it's about Brooke's funeral I can tell by the link :(

Community prepares for funeral of Brooke Bennett | NECN (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html)
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:45:41 UTC
Jul 8, 2008 ... (John Moroney, NECN) - Funeral services will held Wednesday in Vermont for 12-year-old Brooke Bennett. Her body was found last Thursday in a ...
http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html)

[ladonna]

Brooke would have celebrated her 13th birthday this weekend. What a tragedy.

[texas48]

DianeB posted this link / I went back to read it again.
Here's a link to the interview a reporter from that paper conducted with Brooke's grandmother, Lucinda Milne.....
.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027 (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880701027)

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”

A good uncle does not murder 'HIS NIECE'!
How can any Grandma say MJ loves his kids when he did what he did to AR???? Plus torture & murder BB & HOW, HOW, HOW?????

I can't comprehend the mentality of this woman. :furious: :furious: :furious:
I actually believe the entire "family" has a big problem. For her(grandmother}to state "He is just sick" What do they think went on here? How many children did he molest and we know of one child dead...How many more could possibly be dead? But he is "just sick". This case has me completely in disgust.

[lizzybeth]

I thought that comment was made by the neighbor?

[liljim]

DianeB posted this link / I went back to read it again.
Here's a link to the interview a reporter from that paper conducted with Brooke's grandmother, Lucinda Milne.....
.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027 (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880701027)

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”

A good uncle does not murder 'HIS NIECE'!
How can any Grandma say MJ loves his kids when he did what he did to AR???? Plus torture & murder BB & HOW, HOW, HOW?????

I can't comprehend the mentality of this woman. :furious: :furious: :furious:

this interview took place before it was known that brooke was dead and quite possibly before much was known about the full nature of jacques assault on AR. the line about him "just being sick" is a strange one tho. very odd thing to say given the circumstances. but i think it is the friend who nodded in agreement that said taht line, either that or that columnist is terrible because the way it is written it certainly implies it was the family friend that said it.

"“My family’s being torn apart,” she continued. “Michael has been my son-in-law for 12 years. That’s why I can say that I love him. I hugged him when Brooke went missing. And then I found out about this — well, you know what that did to my stomach.”

Close family friend Lorretta Hutchinson of Randolph nodded in agreement.

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”"

[vermontn03]

Friend: Losing Brooke Like Losing Part Of Herself

Classmates Mourn 12-Year-Old Found Dead In Randolph


RANDOLPH, Vt. -- Family and friends filed into Randolph Union High School on Tuesday night to pay their respects to Brooke Bennett.

Brooke, 12, disappeared on June 25 after she was last seen with her uncle at a convenience store in town. Her remains were found a week later alongside a street near her uncle's house.

Friends and classmates mourned their friend during calling hours Tuesday night.

"She's just a good friend and I loved her, I'll always love her," said Jacquelyn Lumbra, Brooke's classmate and friend. "We used to go swimming. She'd spend the night at my house, I'd spend the night at her house. We just always had fun together."

http://www.wptz.com/2008/0626/16717068_240X180.jpg

http://www.wptz.com/news/16825971/detail.html

[texas48]

The O'Reilly show went into alot of detail about the case last night. Talked about the murder of Brooke but more on the Vermont laws. He really BASHED Vermont because of their lawmakers. Was very informative.

[evelyn24]

OT: I just learned that a man who raped an 8-year old girl in Finland was convicted for 2 years and 2 months. This was the sentence from the Court of Appeal and the next level would be the Supreme Court - I do hope that they will appeal, I just can´t understand that verdict!:furious:
Throughout history, those in power have always been the most corrupt and perverted.
Makes me wonder why there are so many light sentences handed out to child pornographers, and child molesters.

[cheko1]

I actually believe the entire "family" has a big problem. For her(grandmother}to state "He is just sick" What do they think went on here? How many children did he molest and we know of one child dead...How many more could possibly be dead? But he is "just sick". This case has me completely in disgust.


I'm with you texas48........
Sick isn't the word I would use!!!

I am very concerned how many more victims there are. It makes me ill!

[vermontn03]

The O'Reilly show went into alot of detail about the case last night. Talked about the murder of Brooke but more on the Vermont laws. He really BASHED Vermont because of their lawmakers. Was very informative.


Some of the vermont laws are ok, but alot of them need to be looked at and be redone, Alot of vermonters dont even like the laws and some of them just are so stupid.

[becca]

DianeB posted this link / I went back to read it again.
Here's a link to the interview a reporter from that paper conducted with Brooke's grandmother, Lucinda Milne.....
.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027 (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880701027)

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”

A good uncle does not murder 'HIS NIECE'!
How can any Grandma say MJ loves his kids when he did what he did to AR???? Plus torture & murder BB & HOW, HOW, HOW?????

I can't comprehend the mentality of this woman. :furious: :furious: :furious:
she is doing what her daughters learned from her -look the other way, deny, and at least you have a man....

[becca]

Throughout history, those in power have always been the most corrupt and perverted.
Makes me wonder why there are so many light sentences handed out to child pornograghers, and child molesters.
I think you have the answer right there....

[gigi2009]

Community prepares for funeral of Brooke Bennett | NECN (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html)
Wed, 9 Jul 2008 01:45:41 UTC
Jul 8, 2008 ... (John Moroney, NECN) - Funeral services will held Wednesday in Vermont for 12-year-old Brooke Bennett. Her body was found last Thursday in a ...
http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html (http://www.necn.com/Boston/New-England/Community-prepares-for-funeral-of-Brooke-Bennett/1215567941.html)


Thanks for fixing that! I step away from the computer for a minute and see everyone's off and running this morning!

[angelwngs]

DianeB posted this link / I went back to read it again.
Here's a link to the interview a reporter from that paper conducted with Brooke's grandmother, Lucinda Milne.....
.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027 (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880701027)

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”

A good uncle does not murder 'HIS NIECE'!
How can any Grandma say MJ loves his kids when he did what he did to AR???? Plus torture & murder BB & HOW, HOW, HOW?????

I can't comprehend the mentality of this woman. :furious: :furious: :furious:


Nor can I, Cheko. All I can think after reading that quote no matter who may have said it is the quote below by Mark Twain:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain

[cheko1]

this interview took place before it was known that brooke was dead and quite possibly before much was known about the full nature of jacques assault on AR. the line about him "just being sick" is a strange one tho. very odd thing to say given the circumstances. but i think it is the friend who nodded in agreement that said taht line, either that or that columnist is terrible because the way it is written it certainly implies it was the family friend that said it.

"“My family’s being torn apart,” she continued. “Michael has been my son-in-law for 12 years. That’s why I can say that I love him. I hugged him when Brooke went missing. And then I found out about this — well, you know what that did to my stomach.”

Close family friend Lorretta Hutchinson of Randolph nodded in agreement.

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”"


Well the family friend should be eating her words today as she prepares to go to BB funeral. I am glad you pointed out Grandma never said it....
my brain will work better once my Starbucks kicks in!!! LOL :blowkiss:

[cheko1]

she is doing what her daughters learned from her -look the other way, deny, and at least you have a man....


I made a mistake on my previous post........
It was a family friend that stated MJ was a good uncle & he loves his kids.

But Becca you are correct Mom taught her daughters well, deny deny deny!

[becca]

I made a mistake on my previous post........
It was a family friend that stated MJ was a good uncle & he loves his kids.

But Becca you are correct Mom taught her daughters well, deny deny deny!
and when you really think about it , it isn't so hard to understand... these are women that have been taught that you have to have a husband, you have to do what he says to keep him happy, you have to let him take care of the money.... it goes back generations. It didn't start with her, but goes way back. This is how girls were told about life. They are ill prepared for the real world.

[cheko1]

Nor can I, Cheko. All I can think after reading that quote no matter who may have said it is the quote below by Mark Twain:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Mark Twain

Mark Twains quote fits without a doubt. :eek:

[texas48]

I'm with you texas48........
Sick isn't the word I would use!!!

I am very concerned how many more victims there are. It makes me ill!Me being from TEXAS, I normally would not have used the word "sick" to describe this family(even tho statement might have been said by neighbor) but I had to tone down my words cause i am on a message board. I still believe there is something wrong with everyone (and maybe more) involved. The word SICK is very mild compared to what I would like to say. Just trying to be nice.....So disgusted I can't even type as fast as I am thinking...:furious:

[becca]

Me being from TEXAS, I normally would not have used the word "sick" to describe this family(even tho statement might have been said by neighbor) but I had to tone down my words cause i am on a message board. I still believe there is something wrong with everyone (and maybe more) involved. The word SICK is very mild compared to what I would like to say. Just trying to be nice.....So disgusted I can't even type as fast as I am thinking...:furious:

sick was a odd choice of words, but it is sick and demented. Only its not the flu and a few pills won't cure it. There is no cure and no treatment .
I also think that lots of people that don't keep up with the world think it is a curable sickness.

[Cornflower]

Throughout history, those in power have always been the most corrupt and perverted.
Makes me wonder why there are so many light sentences handed out to child pornographers, and child molesters.

Sad and scaring. I feel I need to do something about it!

In this particular case the rapist was 16 years old and has already a history of psychiatric problems.

[RoughlyCollie]

The way I see it, he has a mental defect (not a sickness) which makes him dangerous to society, and he should be put away for life.


Close family friend Lorretta Hutchinson of Randolph nodded in agreement.

“He was a good uncle and he loves his children,” she said. “He’s just sick.”"

[nanandjim]

Thank you for the new link Christine and for the Be sure to read this STICKY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67094)
Is there an echo in the room? :rolleyes:

[adnoid]

For LE to find out then they will need to have another SW to access Thermadyne server - But their server might not be logging in IP addresses who connects remotely to the server. Sometimes they authorize users in the server by their username and password only.



Every VPN I have set up has access logs that record the remote IP address.

[cheko1]

Me being from TEXAS, I normally would not have used the word "sick" to describe this family(even tho statement might have been said by neighbor) but I had to tone down my words cause i am on a message board. I still believe there is something wrong with everyone (and maybe more) involved. The word SICK is very mild compared to what I would like to say. Just trying to be nice.....So disgusted I can't even type as fast as I am thinking...:furious:


You & I are so on the same brainwaves!!!
I'd be banned for life from WS if I wrote what I really thought!
But every so often I have to rant!!! :eek: :mad: :furious:

[bdmama]

I know the woman (grandmas friend) who said that VERY well and I cannot believe those words came out of her mouth, I am willing to bet it was really the grandmother who actually said it.

[liljim]

it irks me to no end that everyone is still reporting this as "an attempt to initiate brooke into the sex ring "breckenridge".

it was no such thing, it was premeditated kidnap, rape, torture, and murder.

i dont see how anyone could look at all the evidence and conclude anything else, it is IMPOSSIBLE that he had any expectation of letting her go. there was nothing about the plan that would have allowed them to ever let her go.

why isnt anyone reporting this?!

grrrrrrrrrrrr...

edit - whether or not the rape and torture took place is unknown at this point, im sure that LE already knows but we cant say for sure yet. but there can be no doubt that it was the plan to do these things.

[SuziQ]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305


While Michael Jacques continues to be the focal point of the investigation into the death of his niece Brooke Bennett, Vermont corrections officials are re-examining the decision to release Jacques from probation earlier than his 1993 conviction for kidnapping and raping a young female allowed.
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy. (more at link)

[SuziQ]

So the probation officer knew Jacques was married and visited him at home where there were two children. Jacques was not allowed to be with children under 16....what is wrong with this picture?

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305&template=page2

Hoffman said that while on probation, Jacques was subject to regular visits from a probation officer. He was also required to avoid contact with children younger than 16 years old.

[MCDRAW]

I actually believe the entire "family" has a big problem. For her(grandmother}to state "He is just sick" What do they think went on here? How many children did he molest and we know of one child dead...How many more could possibly be dead? But he is "just sick". This case has me completely in disgust.




http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...D=200880701027

I may have read wrong but I thought the family friend made that comment. So it seems that the "sickness" extends further than the family.

[cheko1]

I know the woman (grandmas friend) who said that VERY well and I cannot believe those words came out of her mouth, I am willing to bet it was really the grandmother who actually said it.


bdmama,

I want to thank you for filling us in on the visitation lastnight. So sad!!!!!
Hope you can do the same for the funeral today. I am anxious to find out if Denise goes?

Cassandra & her kids live with Lucinda correct?

I personally found it a odd choice of words to use regardless of who said it. Brooke had been gone close to a wk at that point & not as tho she was a runaway.

[liljim]

im glad that something that might come out of this will be vermont taking a hard look at their laws regarding sexual offenders.

in this case i dont think it mattered that he was released early, or that his probation was cut short, because he was in fact already raping his stepdaughter while he was still on probation and on the day he stood there and the judge told him he was cured.

the problem in this case is that he was released AT ALL.

[MCDRAW]

Some of the vermont laws are ok, but alot of them need to be looked at and be redone, Alot of vermonters dont even like the laws and some of them just are so stupid.


IMO, it's not just Vermont that needs to rethink some of its laws.

[Lola]

she is doing what her daughters learned from her -look the other way, deny, and at least you have a man....

Seems so many of the cases we see have woment that think this way --:furious:

[cheko1]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305


While Michael Jacques continues to be the focal point of the investigation into the death of his niece Brooke Bennett, Vermont corrections officials are re-examining the decision to release Jacques from probation earlier than his 1993 conviction for kidnapping and raping a young female allowed.
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy. (more at link)


Maybe they should put the judge in the cell with MJ to see if she changes her mind about his success in the program.

I seriously can't imagine how the girl he raped & tortured & got 4 yrs for felt, when she heard he had been released. :furious: God bless her!!!!

[becca]

IMO, it's not just Vermont that needs to rethink some of its laws.

Yes there are lots of other states that need to take a long look at their laws. Jessie's Law has only been passed in 33 states.
that leaves a few that have a problem with the wording, or the sentences contained in the law. Wonder why the lawmakers in those states have a problem?:confused:

[becca]

Seems so many of the cases we see have woment that think this way --:furious:
Amazing isn't it? There is no way in the world my MOM would have taught us that. Her mother didn't teach her that way either. Grandma was raised by her grandparents so they taught her different than maybe ggrandma was taught.

[angelwngs]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305


While Michael Jacques continues to be the focal point of the investigation into the death of his niece Brooke Bennett, Vermont corrections officials are re-examining the decision to release Jacques from probation earlier than his 1993 conviction for kidnapping and raping a young female allowed.
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy. (more at link)

Sounds as if the Vermont Department of Corrections might be anticipating a lawsuit. I wonder who the Judge and the probation officer have retained for councel?

[MCDRAW]

Maybe they should put the judge in the cell with MJ to see if she changes her mind about his success in the program.

I seriously can't imagine how the girl he raped & tortured & got 4 yrs for felt, when she heard he had been released. :furious: God bless her!!!!


I agree. If the judge had thought she would have to live by him, I wonder if she would have ruled a different way.

[SuziQ]

Maybe they should put the judge in the cell with MJ to see if she changes her mind about his success in the program.

I seriously can't imagine how the girl he raped & tortured & got 4 yrs for felt, when she heard he had been released. :furious: God bless her!!!!

I'm still trying to work out how he was a probation success story when he was forbidden from being around children under 18 and was living with two children under 16. And also during his probation he was sent back to jail for 4 days for failing to register his new address.

Did everyone read the comment his former PO, who retired in 2002, left in a paper? Where he states that Jacques was so scary he still has nightmares about him? This PO retires, another takes over and suddenly Jacques is a probation success story? And why did two PO officers not enforce Jacques not being allowed around children under 16?

Probation success story my ass.

[becca]

I agree. If the judge had thought she would have to live by him, I wonder if she would have ruled a different way.

What do we know about this judge? How old, how long on the bench, elected or appointed? Anyone local with info?

[MCDRAW]

Old ways of thinking are somtimes hard to break. When my son was a baby, my in laws, thought it was terrible that my husband changed diapers. They just didn't see this as a man's role. My own Dad told me he could have helped my Mother more but he never he thought about it. It just wasn't a man's role, years ago. I think this is basically the same thing as girls being told men should take care of them. It's an old way of thinking.

[becca]

Old ways of thinking are somtimes hard to break. When my son was a baby, my in laws, thought it was terrible that my husband changed diapers. They just didn't see this as a man's role. My own Dad told me he could have helped my Mother more but he never he thought about it. It just wasn't a man's role, years ago. I think this is basically the same thing as girls being told men should take care of them. It's an old way of thinking.
Yes it is and if you read the emails that is what AR was being taught. She had no idea about real love and sharing. Equality never entered the picture.

[cheko1]

I'm still trying to work out how he was a probation success story when he was forbidden from being around children under 18 and was living with two children under 16. And also during his probation he was sent back to jail for 4 days for failing to register his new address.

Did everyone read the comment his former PO, who retired in 2002, left in a paper? Where he states that Jacques was so scary he still has nightmares about him? This PO retires, another takes over and suddenly Jacques is a probation success story? And why did two PO officers not enforce Jacques not being allowed around children under 16?

Probation success story my ass.

I'm with you SuziQ! Why they would even put in he was a success story blows me away. It proves he was a liar, he did absolutely nothing he should of done.....his PO was scared of him. With all the charges against him, what are they thinking????
:bang: :bang:

[MCDRAW]

I wonder if the PO even knew he was living with 2 girls under the age of 16. It talks of regular visits but I wonder if Jacques went in to see him or the PO went to Jacques address. I didn't read the retired Po's comments.

[cheko1]

I agree. If the judge had thought she would have to live by him, I wonder if she would have ruled a different way.

I wonder if she had any daughters?
Because if she did she sure wasn't looking out for them either. Letting this maniac walk the streets.

[Amster]

OMG....from the link above, Judge Amy Davenport now assigns judges to cases, oversees trial complaints and is in charge of judicial education! Vermont needs to clean house. This pathetic excuse for a judge needs to join Cashman in retirement! Too bad she can't be charged with aiding and abetting in Brookes murder!

[becca]

OMG....from the link above, Judge Amy Davenport now assigns judges to cases, oversees trial complaints and is in charge of judicial education! Vermont needs to clean house. This pathetic excuse for a judge needs to join Cashman in retirement! Too bad she can't be charged with aiding and abetting in Brookes murder!

I think someone should be looking into her early retirement in light of her past mistakes. If she was any kind of normal human she would make a statement then announce her moving to Brazil in the next sentence.

[MCDRAW]

I wonder if she had any daughters?
Because if she did she sure wasn't looking out for them either. Letting this maniac walk the streets.


Nor was she watching out for society. IMO, she didn't do her job.

[SuziQ]

I wonder if the PO even knew he was living with 2 girls under the age of 16. It talks of regular visits but I wonder if Jacques went in to see him or the PO went to Jacques address. I didn't read the retired Po's comments.

True, it doesn't state where the visits took place. For some reason I assumed home.

I will try to hunt down the PO's comment. Unless our kind Adnoid, who posted it way back when, can repost it?

[cheko1]

OMG....from the link above, Judge Amy Davenport now assigns judges to cases, oversees trial complaints and is in charge of judicial education! Vermont needs to clean house. This pathetic excuse for a judge needs to join Cashman in retirement! Too bad she can't be charged with aiding and abetting in Brookes murder!

I sincerely hope BB mom & Denise doesn't profit from any type of lawsuit against the court system. They both are as demented as the judge. IMHO That said:

I feel the system entirely let Brooke & AR down plus how many others? .....something needs done.

[SuziQ]

Nor was she watching out for society. IMO, she didn't do her job.

Neither did the PO, who I think needs to be investigated. The new PO's info is 180 degrees off from the former PO. IMO, it sounds like the new PO faked his reports and did no follow up with Jacques. Or the new PO is without a brain.

[becca]

I sincerely hope BB mom & Denise doesn't profit from any type of lawsuit against the court system. They both are as demented as the judge. IMHO That said:

I feel the system entirely let Brooke & AR down plus how many others? .....something needs done.

If they tried to sue the lawyers would have a field day with their own lack of morals ... they both knew of his past and still let their children around him. They are accomplices in my book.

[cheko1]

Nor was she watching out for society. IMO, she didn't do her job.


She sure wasn't doing her job!
She needs fired ASAP!!!! JMO

[DianeB]

One of Brooke's friends who was interviewed at the wake last night made an interesting comment about Brooke's personality.

Another friend and classmate Kira Mason moved to the area eight months ago.

"She just made me feel like I belonged and she just treated me as nicely as she could, like I was one of her best friends all the time," Mason said.

<snip>

Friends said Brooke was a strong-willed girl who stood up for herself.

"She was very confident about herself, and if she didn't get her way, she would throw a fit. But if she didn't, she's straight back to being happy," Mason said.The double use of the word 'didn't' is a little confusing, but this makes me wonder if Brooke was able to fight back enough to have left scratches or cuts or even bite marks on MJ.

Article is here.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16826010/detail.html

[cheko1]

If they tried to sue the lawyers would have a field day with their own lack of morals ... they both knew of his past and still let their children around him. They are accomplices in my book.


Yes & I feel they both need locked up with their adoring hubbie & Ex hubby!!!

[MCDRAW]

Neither did the PO, who I think needs to be investigated. The new PO's info is 180 degrees off from the former PO. IMO, it sounds like the new PO faked his reports and did no follow up with Jacques. Or the new PO is without a brain.


Or someone was pressuring the new PO to release Jacques.

[becca]

Yes & I feel they both need locked up with their adoring hubbie & Ex hubby!!! There is nothing so far to say that might not happen down the road.

[VTNance]

Did everyone read the comment his former PO, who retired in 2002, left in a paper? Where he states that Jacques was so scary he still has nightmares about him? This PO retires, another takes over and suddenly Jacques is a probation success story? And why did two PO officers not enforce Jacques not being allowed around children under 16?

Probation success story my ass.

I kept trying to read that quote, and I could not find it. The link took me to a Fox News story, and I scrolled through the comments under it, but did not find the probation officer's.

If anyone could possibly paste this on the board, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks

[MCDRAW]

I really don't think the judge and the PO are running to cover their butts for fear of a law suit. There will be an invetigation and I am assuming they will be cleaning house. If the judge is elected, I doubt she will be re elected.

[cheko1]

One of Brooke's friends who was interviewed at the wake last night made an interesting comment about Brooke's personality.

The double use of the word 'didn't' is a little confusing, but this makes me wonder if Brooke was able to fight back enough to have left scratches or cuts or even bite marks on MJ.

Article is here.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16826010/detail.html


I hope she left scars all over him!!!!!
I pray she got at least one good swing at him.

But the :chicken: chit probably used a taser on her, if she got out of control.

[DianeB]

Or someone was pressuring the new PO to release Jacques. I could believe that if the reasoning was something unrelated to him, like a case-load/understaffing issue.

I'm just not sure this weasel had the kind of personal clout that could influence how his case was handled. Is his family that prominent?

[becca]

I really don't think the judge and the PO are running to cover their butts for fear of a law suit. There will be an invetigation and I am assuming they will be cleaning house. If the judge is elected, I doubt she will be re elected.
By the winter I would bet there are lots of people out of jobs that had a hand in this .

[cheko1]

There is nothing so far to say that might not happen down the road.

In my book they both were accomplices. Denise implicated herself already, so it could be. I'm sure after the funeral today anything could happen.

[bdmama]

While Michael Jacques continues to be the focal point of the investigation into the death of his niece Brooke Bennett, Vermont corrections officials are re-examining the decision to release Jacques from probation earlier than his 1993 conviction for kidnapping and raping a young female allowed.
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy. (more at link)


I hope Brookes father & stepmother sue the pants off the state of Vermont, if this is the case. I am so outraged at the laws in this state, makes me want to go to Montpelier and B**chslap every single one of those idiots sitting in office!

[becca]

I hope Brookes father & stepmother sue the pants off the state of Vermont, if this is the case. I am so outraged at the laws in this state, makes me want to go to Montpelier and B**chslap every single one of those idiots sitting in office!
I'd be cheering you on!!!:clap: Not one of them would get a free pass either.

[becca]

In my book they both were accomplices. Denise implicated herself already, so it could be. I'm sure after the funeral today anything could happen.
doesn't Vermont have child endangerment laws?

[MrsMush99]

O/T a bit, but I was wondering if there could be threads started on different topics. It's very hard for some people to keep up before having to read through hundreds of posts. Everything is all on threads without separate topics. I think, it would be much easier to access information and to find what we are looking for. This thread is #16 and there are pages and pages of information that I'm sure could be spread out. Just a suggestion.

[Amster]

Are all RSOs prevented from being around children? Or, just the RSOs where the child is the victim?

[texas48]

Yes & I feel they both need locked up with their adoring hubbie & Ex hubby!!!
Truer words have never been spoken cheko1. Every state has problems or lack of their laws but it is up to us as parents to protect our children in every way. We can not place blame on everyone else for what happened. Us as a society have to speak up. Parents can not just sit back and say they have done all they can do. One cannot say "I cannot keep up with my children 24-7" We as parents have to put our kids first and be involved in their lives even to the point of being over protective. These parents(all of them) knew what they had around them and their children. It was not up to the state of Vermont to say "You kids can not go anywhere around MJ" PARENTS MUST THINK!!!!!

[MCDRAW]

I hope Brookes father & stepmother sue the pants off the state of Vermont, if this is the case. I am so outraged at the laws in this state, makes me want to go to Montpelier and B**chslap every single one of those idiots sitting in office!


Brooke's father also knew Jacques was a RSO. He said it wasn't an issue.

[Medea]

I hope Brookes father & stepmother sue the pants off the state of Vermont, if this is the case. I am so outraged at the laws in this state, makes me want to go to Montpelier and B**chslap every single one of those idiots sitting in office!

I can't agree there, everyone in the family including the father knew full well that Jacques was a sex offender, and they all chose to let Brooke associate with him including sleep over at his home.

The real fault lies with Cassandra and Denise not the state of Vermont.

How are you going to sue the state when you knowingly let your 12 year old daughter spend time with a known rapist?

[bdmama]

www.wcax.com is saying they will be having live coverage of funeral on website but can't find link to video.

[VTNance]

I'm just not sure this weasel had the kind of personal clout that could influence how his case was handled. Is his family that prominent?

The family has been in the area for many generations and owns land, and a couple of businesses, but IMO it would be quite a stretch to say "prominent."

[SuziQ]

Below is a link to the post from Adnoid regarding the PO's comment. Bold is by me.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2350264&postcount=185

Below is a link to the post from the PO, it's on page 4, July third 4:39PM by Paul McNaughton. It's too long to post here. You really need to read the entire comment.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/07/03/once-a-pedophile-always-a-pedophile/comment-page-4/#comments

(snip)
I was Michael Jacques Probation Officer for a number of years, His conviction was not for an assault against a child. His victim was a young woman - a fellow employee at his workplace. However it was a violation of a position of authority and trust, just as it is with pedophiles and child molesters. His offense involved kidnapping and aggravated sexual asault It was a pre meditated crime. He had assembled a “rape kit” which he kept in his car. He raped and mentally tortured his victim for the entire night. At daybreak he took her to his killing spot, in the woods at his grandfather’s farm, put her on her knees, pulled her head back from the rear and placed a knife against her neck, actually drawing blood in the process. The victim managed to get him to relent at the last possible moment after promising to fabricate a story. (more at link)

[VTNance]

[QUOTE=SuziQ;2364008]Below is a link to the post from Adnoid regarding the PO's comment. Bold is by me.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2350264&postcount=185

Below is a link to the post from the PO, it's on page 4, July third 4:39PM by Paul McNaughton. It's too long to post here. You really need to read the entire comment.

Thank you so much, SuziQ.

It is chilling to me that he took this woman to his grandfather's farm, to approximately the same place he buried Brooke.

[Chica]

O/T a bit, but I was wondering if there could be threads started on different topics. It's very hard for some people to keep up before having to read through hundreds of posts. Everything is all on threads without separate topics. I think, it would be much easier to access information and to find what we are looking for. This thread is #16 and there are pages and pages of information that I'm sure could be spread out. Just a suggestion.

Hi MrsMush! There are several (2 pages) threads already started on different topics pertaining to Brooke's case, i.e., photos; affidavits; myspace links; media; etc.:blowkiss:

[Amster]

Fox News just showed a portion of the funeral....said they are getting the feed from their local Fox affiliate. Cassandra, Savanna, Jim Bennett and Janet were shown....

[bdmama]

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html
video of funeral

[MrsMush99]

Fox News just showed a portion of the funeral....said they are getting the feed from their local Fox affiliate. Cassandra, Savanna, Jim Bennett and Janet were shown....

I started a thread for funeral information. Please post it there so that it doesn't get lost in the thread. Thanks.

[DianeB]

I know it's only my interpretation, but the fact that the PO referred to Jacques' "killing spot" makes me think it was a place he may have used more than once.

I am seriously skeeved out by that, but thank you for posting the link.

[MrsMush99]

Hi MrsMush! There are several (2 pages) threads already started on different topics pertaining to Brooke's case, i.e., photos; affidavits; myspace links; media; etc.:blowkiss:

I know, but I thought it would be easier to have more spread out. For instance I started a Brooke's funeral thread, so all the information about her funeral could be posted there so people don't have to look through pages and pages of posts just to find the funeral information.

Also, there is a lot of information about the PO. Maybe a thread could be started for that as well.

[christine2448]

O/T a bit, but I was wondering if there could be threads started on different topics. It's very hard for some people to keep up before having to read through hundreds of posts. Everything is all on threads without separate topics. I think, it would be much easier to access information and to find what we are looking for. This thread is #16 and there are pages and pages of information that I'm sure could be spread out. Just a suggestion.

There are 2 pages of threads started on different topics. The reason we opened a forum is so that posters could organize and spread out....the hard part is, getting everyone to do it ;)

[Carrington]

I don't know if the VT jails are overcrowded.
But, my guess is yes. If they have to made a decision on which one to set free, I would vote for the non-violent criminals.
Petty crimes such as pot smoking shouldn't take up space.

It's just another war the US in losing. The war on drugs and the war on pedophiles.
IMO

[MrsMush99]

There are 2 pages of threads started on different topics. The reason we opened a forum is so that posters could organize and spread out....the hard part is, getting everyone to do it ;)

I'm trying, LOL. I looked at the second page and it is mostly stickies and closed threads. Hopefully people will post on new threads, the problem might be that people stay on the general discussion threads and don't look at the forum.

[MrsMush99]

Please post all information about Brooke's funeral in this thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2364037#post2364037

Thanks in advance.

[DeltaDawn]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305

snip/
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy.
"We're still trying to understand that," said Hofmann, who became commissioner in 2005. "We have indications in the case file that the department would not support the release, because of the violent nature of the offense.
"It is clear to me the department didn't support (Jacques's release)," Hofmann said
/snip

Sounds to me like the probation department and the judge were not on the same page. I hate to say this, but did someone get to the judge in this instance?

[angelwngs]

www.wcax.com (http://www.wcax.com) is saying they will be having live coverage of funeral on website but can't find link to video.

Now saying due to technical difficulties that they will not be able to carry it live...

[vermontn03]

Was searching todays news and this is what I found.

We need better laws to protect our children

Wednesday, July 9
Editor of the Reformer:


Many have said that rural Vermont is a great place to raise a family. The small town setting and sense of community gives us a feeling that our children our safe here. That coupled with the many programs that are offered to keep kids safe and healthy make Vermont a place where many come to reside.
But can't Vermont do a better job in protecting our kids from sexual predators? Particularly our legal system and our legislature. While writing this I thought maybe it's too early in regards to the tragic event that happened in Randolph. But has the state been too late in enacting a Jessica's Law?
A little over one year ago, we had a child rapist get an intial 60-day sentence after confessing to violating a 6-year-old girl for four years. The increase in sexual predators went from 700 in 2001 to 2,400 in 2006. Are they coming here because it's safer for them?
The man charged in last week's heinous crime was first charged with a sex crime 23 years ago. He was 18 and had sex with a 15-year-old. That case was dismissed. In 1993 when he was 26, he was convicted of raping an 18-year-old in Rutland. In this case the court records showed a violent and humiliating crime. His sentence was for six years and 14 years of probation. He spent four years in jail and petitioned for early release of probation which was granted seven years early in 2006. Now, two years later we have this incident.

http://www.reformer.com/ci_9824943?source=most_viewed

[Medea]

I don't know if the VT jails are overcrowded.
But, my guess is yes. If they have to made a decision on which one to set free, I would vote for the non-violent criminals.
Petty crimes such as pot smoking shouldn't take up space.

It's just another war the US in losing. The war on drugs and the war on pedophiles.
IMO


Yeah, its crazy. By definition, a non violent offense, other than possibly massive fraud that leaves the victims penniless and ruins their lives, are not as serious as violent crimes. Victimless crimes: drugs, gambling, prostitution are even less important, though I know many disagree about these crimes being victimless, I say if its a willing seller and a willing buyer, tax it, regulate it and worry about criminals who leave victims.

[vermontn03]

Now saying due to technical difficulties that they will not be able to carry it live...


WCAX has been having difficulties all morning long.

this is what I get when I go to wcax.


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[GoodAim]

Wrong person -- unnecessary post!

[Carrington]

Now saying due to technical difficulties that they will not be able to carry it live...

I'm watching it.
A preacher is speaking, kids are screaming.

[Starr58]

doesn't Vermont have child endangerment laws?

LOL.....Seldom used law!!.... I am ashamed to admit that I am a Native Vermonter !!!

I have had extensive experience and contact with the DOC, DCF, Family Court, Criminal Court, and many Vermont Legislators through my profession and personal life.

Property tax reform, protecting the enviroment, and civil unions are the priority for the Vermont Legislature.

I had a family member who was incarcerated and another person involved in the crime, who was NOT to be in contact with him, was allowed to send mail, have phone contact and visit him until it was brought to DOC attention. Their response was to then ship the family member out of state. hmmmm....retaliation maybe for the error being brought to the Commisioner attention???
Interesting that the taxpayers paid for him to be transferred out of state and then returned to Vermont 12 days later.

DCF ..... visit the Vermont Agency of Human Services website and read the HHS Federal Review of DCF that was done in 2007. Quite a eye opener....

Child endangerment....Up until last year and because the Federal Regulations required a change for continued Federal funding, children born addicted were NOT being reported to DCF as it was NOT recognized in policy or statue to be a "reportable incident."

I could give you lots more examples but I think you get my drift....BTW....Vermont is recognized as one of the top 10 safest states for children, LOL....

[DianeB]

I'm watching it, too. Is this link not working for you?

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/

The little kid who was screaming is Cyrus, Brooke's half-brother.

[vermontn03]

I'm watching it, too. Is this link not working for you?

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/

The little kid who was screaming is Cyrus, Brooke's half-brother.


no the link is not working its just keeps loading

[DianeB]

This one, too?

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html

[Txstrace]

no the link is not working its just keeps loading

It's working for me.

Thank You!

[becca]

LOL.....Seldom used law!!.... I am ashamed to admit that I am a Native Vermonter !!!

I have had extensive experience and contact with the DOC, DCF, Family Court, Criminal Court, and many Vermont Legislators through my profession and personal life.

Property tax reform, protecting the enviroment, and civil unions are the priority for the Vermont Legislature.

I had a family member who was incarcerated and another person involved in the crime, who was NOT to be in contact with him, was allowed to send mail, have phone contact and visit him until it was brought to DOC attention. Their response was to then ship the family member out of state. hmmmm....retaliation maybe for the error being brought to the Commisioner attention???
Interesting that the taxpayers paid for him to be transferred out of state and then returned to Vermont 12 days later.

DCF ..... visit the Vermont Agency of Human Services website and read the HHS Federal Review of DCF that was done in 2007. Quite a eye opener....

Child endangerment....Up until last year and because the Federal Regulations required a change for continued Federal funding, children born addicted were NOT being reported to DCF as it was NOT recognized in policy or statue to be a "reportable incident."

I could give you lots more examples but I think you get my drift....BTW....Vermont is recognized as one of the top 10 safest states for children, LOL....

No wonder its in the top 10, they don't report the bulk of the crimes.... but then again we are not aware of all the unreported crimes against children.

[nanandjim]

Please excuse me if this has already been posted!

There was an "Ash" mentioned in an affidavit here on websleuths.

I think AR emailed something like, "I wouldn't want anything to happen to…., it would be like someone killing Ash" ---- this is very paraphrased by me.

I will look for the page in adnoid's affidavits for you. Think it's like the 5th one listed.

I honestly don't know if this is relevant in any way, but this is all public information about a young girl who passed away very close to Randolph, VT. If it is not relevant, I apologize. Since it is a beautiful, young lady who passed away so young, and lived so near MJ, it seems relevant to post it. It is in public records/ venue/media, etc.

Here is the memorial page for Ashley -- who passed away at age 16 in Bethel, which is near Randolph, VT, not too far from MJ.

http://ashley-elmore.memory-of.com/Timeline.aspx (http://ashley-elmore.memory-of.com/Timeline.aspx)

There is also an official SSDI notification of her death, a matter of (sad) public record:

Ashley Elmore, born Sept. 24, 1989, died July 22, 2006

Pasted from <http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?auth=&cj=1&nt=exact&start=0&firstname=Ashley&dmo=07&death=2006&o_xid=0002370638&o_lid=0002370638 (http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?auth=&cj=1&nt=exact&start=0&firstname=Ashley&dmo=07&death=2006&o_xid=0002370638&o_lid=0002370638)>

Hope the sleuthers here can either debunk this supposed connection or research it further. Thanks,
GoodAim
Thanks for this link. Someone (can't remember) posted a comment from a poster who said that another girl had committed suicide because of being abused and she couldn't take it any longer. I wonder how this young girl died and if she knew MJ and AR.

[Jaded]

Please excuse me if this has already been posted!

There was an "Ash" mentioned in an affidavit here on websleuths.

I think AR emailed something like, "I wouldn't want anything to happen to…., it would be like someone killing Ash" ---- this is very paraphrased by me.

I will look for the page in adnoid's affidavits for you. Think it's like the 5th one listed.

I honestly don't know if this is relevant in any way, but this is all public information about a young girl who passed away very close to Randolph, VT. If it is not relevant, I apologize. Since it is a beautiful, young lady who passed away so young, and lived so near MJ, it seems relevant to post it. It is in public records/ venue/media, etc.

Here is the memorial page for Ashley -- who passed away at age 16 in Bethel, which is near Randolph, VT, not too far from MJ.

http://ashley-elmore.memory-of.com/Timeline.aspx (http://ashley-elmore.memory-of.com/Timeline.aspx)

There is also an official SSDI notification of her death, a matter of (sad) public record:

Ashley Elmore, born Sept. 24, 1989, died July 22, 2006

Pasted from <http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?auth=&cj=1&nt=exact&start=0&firstname=Ashley&dmo=07&death=2006&o_xid=0002370638&o_lid=0002370638 (http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi?auth=&cj=1&nt=exact&start=0&firstname=Ashley&dmo=07&death=2006&o_xid=0002370638&o_lid=0002370638)>

Hope the sleuthers here can either debunk this supposed connection or research it further. Thanks,
GoodAim

This is the myspace memorial that I was talking about, and couldn't find any info on the girl. Thanks for posting this.

[CarpeDiem]

The little kid who was screaming is Cyrus, Brooke's half-brother.

What a cutie he is. I kept thinking if they took that bow tie off of him and unbuttoned the top button on his shirt, he might be more comfortable.:waitasec:

[vermontn03]

What a cutie he is. I kept thinking if they took that bow tie off of him and unbuttoned the top button on his shirt, he might be more comfortable.:waitasec:


exactly seeing that it is very hot and muggy here. i cant imagine being dressed like that in this heat. i would die.

[Adalena935]

But relevant...he may lose "joint custody" because of his porn addiction.

Big difference between adults viewing adult porn than child assualts & photographing child porn and murder that this case is about.

If any adult has an adult porn addiction that's their problem.

Adults sexually assaulting and murdering children is crimes against the state. In this case transporting child porn across state lines is a Federal Crime.

[Lola]

On page 4 is a note from her mom. Apparently this girl was the victim of an auto accident. She had been drinking and drove under the influence.

[lonetraveler]

Just my thoughts. I went to sleep thinking about this murder and woke up this morning thinking about it. There are a few things bothering me regarding AR's statements regarding her participation in the abduction and murder of Brooke Bennett. 1. MJ stated in e-mail that he needed her help in taking Brooke down and tying her up. (words made you think that he could not do it without her help, ie., he didn't want Brooke tasered that early in the game). 2. AR agreed to help with getting her tied and ready. 3. She also wanted to see Brooke humiliated (ie., someone urinating in her mouth) and 4. She also wanted to watch.....she wanted to see Brooke suffer. OK. Now, read her statements on the Affadavit. Nothing is stated saying that she helped MJ get her up the stairs, and helped tie her up. Also, nothing is stated that she watched any action being taken with Brooke. How is it that all of a sudden, she admits that she helped abduct Brooke then innocently sat and watched TV with Brooke until MJ ASKED! Brooke to go upstairs with him?????? Are we to believe that she did not help restrain Brooke and that she did not get her satisfaction from seeing Brooke humiliated, raped, tortured and murdered????? Are we to think that Brooke just meekly followed MJ up the stairs like a lamb being led to the slaughter????? Are we just a little bit curious as to how AR's boyfriend just appears and disappears at AR's convenience????? I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm not buying her story about her involvement after abducting Brooke. Her e-mails on her personal plans of participation and the statement given to police (after multiple lies) doesn't add up. She is lying through her teeth. CYA time.

[i.b.nora]

Regarding Ashley Elmore:

http://www.rherald.com/News/2006/0727/Front_page/f02.html

Randolph Teen Killed
In Route 12A Accident

Ashley Elmore, also known as Ashley Townsend, a 16-year-old girl who would have been a senior this year at the Randolph Technical Career Center, was killed instantly in an automobile crash Saturday on Route 12A in Roxbury.

[lonetraveler]

I have tried to access the channel 5 live feed on the funeral but I only get the channel 5 tv blue screen. Can someone who is watching let the rest of us know if Denise is attending and if she is, is she sitting with her sister?

[Medea]

My understanding is that the moderators have asked people not to accuse of AR of any criminal complicity in Brooke's disappearance.

So I will just say, which I think is okay, that in my opinion she has not told the full truth in the affivadavit.

[MrsMush99]

I have tried to access the channel 5 live feed on the funeral but I only get the channel 5 tv blue screen. Can someone who is watching let the rest of us know if Denise is attending and if she is, is she sitting with her sister?


Please see the funeral thread. WCAX.com will be showing the funeral shortly.

[Amster]

What a cutie he is. I kept thinking if they took that bow tie off of him and unbuttoned the top button on his shirt, he might be more comfortable.:waitasec:

Instead of having big brother chase after him or grandpa try to control him, perhaps a family friend could have been designated to take him outside if he started screaming. I felt sorry for Savanna....Cyrus was a distraction.

[Amster]

I have tried to access the channel 5 live feed on the funeral but I only get the channel 5 tv blue screen. Can someone who is watching let the rest of us know if Denise is attending and if she is, is she sitting with her sister?

It's over...

[MrsMush99]

It's over...

Yes but wcax will be showing it since they technical difficulties. It's on the Funeral thread.

[GoodAim]

Regarding Ashley Elmore:

http://www.rherald.com/News/2006/0727/Front_page/f02.html

Randolph Teen Killed
In Route 12A Accident

Ashley Elmore, also known as Ashley Townsend, a 16-year-old girl who would have been a senior this year at the Randolph Technical Career Center, was killed instantly in an automobile crash Saturday on Route 12A in Roxbury.

THANKS for this information. It's very sad and it obviously has nothing to do with Brooke's case. I appreciate your clearing this up so quickly. Maybe someone can even delete my post --- I'll try --- to not mix this young girl up in this case.

[Dante7]

>AR may have been aware that Brooke was going to be killed. In one of her >emails she mentioned wanting to see her "suffer", and there was that >peculiar passage about who would "have time" with Brooke, and how much. >Why would time have been an issue if she was to remain alive?


I took it as having time participating in that session with her. Wanting to see her suffer also doesn't necessarily mean that they intended to kill her.

I know it looks possible that they intended to kill her immediately, but I still have doubts in my head and still haven't seen official evidence to say one way or the other.

[Dante7]

By definition, a non violent offense, other than possibly massive fraud that leaves the victims penniless and ruins their lives, are not as serious as violent crimes. Victimless crimes: drugs, gambling, prostitution are even less important, though I know many disagree about these crimes being victimless, I say if its a willing seller and a willing buyer, tax it, regulate it and worry about criminals who leave victims.



My sentiments exactly. :clap:

[Adalena935]

I know it's only my interpretation, but the fact that the PO referred to Jacques' "killing spot" makes me think it was a place he may have used more than once.

I am seriously skeeved out by that, but thank you for posting the link.

Me too. I was thinking he may have killed animals there because he's never been convicted of killing humans, yet.

[Lola]

My understanding is that the moderators have asked people not to accuse of AR of any criminal complicity in Brooke's disappearance.

So I will just say, which I think is okay, that in my opinion she has not told the full truth in the affivadavit.

I would agree with your assessment.

[Adalena935]

There's no evidence JUVENILE 1 knew Brooke was going to be murdered. Spending time with her meant they didn't live together.

[nanandjim]

THANKS for this information. It's very sad and it obviously has nothing to do with Brooke's case. I appreciate your clearing this up so quickly. Maybe someone can even delete my post --- I'll try --- to not mix this young girl up in this case.
Yes, it is sad. Kids just do not realize that they can die in an instant. It happened to a few of my friends when I was a teenager.

[Starr58]

Randolph, Vermont - July 9, 2008

Funeral services were held this morning in Randolph for 12-year-old Brooke Bennett, who was murdered two weeks ago.

Hundreds of people from the community crowded into a large tent on the grounds of Randolph Union High School.

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8647568

[SuziQ]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080709/FRONTPAGE/807090305

snip/
In an interview yesterday, Vermont Commissioner of the Department of Corrections Rob Hofmann said that while the judge who approved Jacques's early release indicated in her ruling that a probation officer supported the decision, internal documents show the department was opposed to letting Jacques off probation. Hofmann said the department is investigating the discrepancy.
"We're still trying to understand that," said Hofmann, who became commissioner in 2005. "We have indications in the case file that the department would not support the release, because of the violent nature of the offense.
"It is clear to me the department didn't support (Jacques's release)," Hofmann said
/snip

Sounds to me like the probation department and the judge were not on the same page. I hate to say this, but did someone get to the judge in this instance?

I don't know the chain of command, but is probations part of corrections? Because the PO wrote that Jacques was a "probation success story". Which is weird because the original PO said Jacques was the stuff of nightmares.

[lonetraveler]

I should have read the sticky but I wrongly assumed that it was covering using minor's names. I'm confused how this board is going to "Crime Sleuth" this crime without considering the most compelling statements made by the most valuable witness. Although it is very effident that AR is a victim herself, I don't see how her statements and actions in this case can be ignored. Without them, there isn't much evidence to discuss. I do apologize if my opinions that she has not been truthful may imply to some that she is guilty of any crime.

[Medea]

There's no evidence JUVENILE 1 knew Brooke was going to be murdered. Spending time with her meant they didn't live together.

True, but there is substantial evdence that Juvenile 1 knew Brooke was going to be abducted and raped. I believe "spending time with her" was in the context of spending time with her AFTER the 'take down' was accomplished not just in the context of spending time with her in a normal way....unless I read it wrong.

I would say there is no evidence at this time that Juvenile 2 had any knowledge of the plot.

[Dante7]

I know it's only my interpretation, but the fact that the PO referred to Jacques' "killing spot" makes me think it was a place he may have used more than once.

possible, but remains to be seen. If there were precdent for that comment's indicating prior use of that area for murders, we'd likely have known about it by now.

But interesting nonetheless- clearly he has preferred patterns. Grandfather's farm? What may have happened there earlier in his life? Do we know what this area was speficially used for, if anything? "Killing spot" could simply indicate a place where animals were slaughtered.

Just speculating off the top of my head.

[Medea]

I should have read the sticky but I wrongly assumed that it was covering using minor's names. I'm confused how this board is going to "Crime Sleuth" this crime without considering the most compelling statements made by the most valuable witness. Although it is very effident that AR is a victim herself, I don't see how her statements and actions in this case can be ignored. Without them, there isn't much evidence to discuss. I do apologize if my opinions that she has not been truthful may imply to some that she is guilty of any crime.


My interpretation is that its okay to discuss the facts as laid out in the affivadt without making any judgements about AR's complicity as a perpetrator...e.g. not accusing her of having committed any crimes...but I am new here so not really sure.

[evelyn24]

There's no evidence JUVENILE 1 knew Brooke was going to be murdered. Spending time with her meant they didn't live together.
I don't think so.
I'm pretty sure MJ was talking about AR getting in some "fun time" once they took Brooke down.

[nanandjim]

My understanding is that the moderators have asked people not to accuse of AR of any criminal complicity in Brooke's disappearance.

So I will just say, which I think is okay, that in my opinion she has not told the full truth in the affivadavit.
Let's see how many people we can have walk on eggshells until this forum is down to a select few. Geez... :rolleyes:

I also do not think that she has told the truth about her involvement. Does that mean that she is complicit in anything? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if she had lured more than one person to MJ.

From the affidavits and released emails, it is obvious that AR and MJ were devising lies to get Brooke into the house to set her up for the take down. When you agree to help an adult tie up and take down an unwilling participant, nothing good can result from that. I think that MJ intended to murder Brooke to keep her from talking. He made the mistake of letting his employee go years ago and went to prison for it. I don't think that he intended on making that mistake again.

[nanandjim]

...
I'm pretty sure MJ was talking about AR getting in some "fun time" once they took Brooke down.
Unless I am a total idiot, this is what he meant. I thought that AR responded that she didn't want to spend time with Brooke.

[christine2448]

II'm confused how this board is going to "Crime Sleuth" this crime without considering the most compelling statements made by the most valuable witness.

There is a difference in "considering the most compelling statements made by the most valuable witnessess" and bashing victims, name calling, posting names that haven't been released by LE.

[liljim]

it is clear that they did not plan to kill her immediately, they specifically say that MJ was to get several hours with her, and that AR could also get time with her.

it is also clear that MJ knew brooke was not going to be released - EVER.

there was no intention of inducting her into a sexual training program, or sex ring. their intention is made clear in the limited emails the police have released - she is a threat, this "has to be done", she should suffer.

they planned her disappearance, framing someone else for it, they planned to rape and sexually torture her, this is all in MJ and AR's own words. there was no chance she could be let go after that, they knew this.

it is unmistakable that MJ knew he was going to have to kill brooke, and i would argue that it wasnt just an extremely likely outcome, but that it was his intention the whole time. i think just the evidence we know right now strongly supports that version of events.

[Floh]

possible, but remains to be seen. If there were precdent for that comment's indicating prior use of that area for murders, we'd likely have known about it by now.

But interesting nonetheless- clearly he has preferred patterns. Grandfather's farm? What may have happened there earlier in his life? Do we know what this area was speficially used for, if anything? "Killing spot" could simply indicate a place where animals were slaughtered.

Just speculating off the top of my head.

I trust L.E. is doing/has done a sweep of the area for other possible human graves?

[Amster]

Most of what we know happened to Brooke came from A.R in the affidavits. If that info can't be discussed, then we can't talk about Denises' statements in the affidavits, either, since those concerned A.R. So....is it that A.R. can't be discussed? Or, she can be discussed, just no opinions if she is guilty of anything?

[MrsMush99]

There is a difference in "considering the most compelling statements made by the most valuable witnessess" and bashing victims, name calling, posting names that haven't been released by LE.

OK, I understand completely what you are saying, I think. So it is ok to discuss AR's involvement in this case??? The emails she wrote, etc...???

[MrsMush99]

Most of what we know happened to Brooke came from A.R in the affidavits. If that info can't be discussed, then we can't talk about Denises' statements in the affidavits, either, since those concerned A.R. So....is it that A.R. can't be discussed? Or, she can be discussed, just no opinions if she is guilty of anything?


I went to read Denise's statement and it's all blacked out. Am I missing something? Not looking in the right place?

[Adalena935]

Just my thoughts.

snip

Just a FYI. Have you read the STICKY?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67101&page=7 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67101&page=7)

[Amster]

I went to read Denise's statement and it's all blacked out. Am I missing something? Not looking in the right place?

I think there are 2 versions of the affidavit. One heavily censored and one, not so much.

[evelyn24]

True, but there is substantial evdence that Juvenile 1 knew Brooke was going to be abducted and raped. I believe "spending time with her" was in the context of spending time with her AFTER the 'take down' was accomplished not just in the context of spending time with her in a normal way....unless I read it wrong.

I would say there is no evidence at this time that Juvenile 2 had any knowledge of the plot.

Exactly...!!

[SuziQ]

OK, I understand completely what you are saying, I think. So it is ok to discuss AR's involvement in this case??? The emails she wrote, etc...???


My understanding the problem from yesterday evolved from discussing a minor who was not named publicly by the media and in the affidavits. Although I'm always confused by protecting a vic when it's up in the air whether a vic is a vic or a perp. The media has reported that the feds have no plans to charge AR with a crime. Then reported that the feds declined to say whether AR faces any charges. :waitasec:

[MrsMush99]

Unless I am a total idiot, this is what he meant. I thought that AR responded that she didn't want to spend time with Brooke.

I think that's exactly what was meant also. I DID NOT take it to mean that she didn't know if she wanted to spend time with her while she was at her house.

[MrsMush99]

My understanding the problem from yesterday evolved from discussing a minor who was not named publicly by the media and in the affidavits. Although I'm always confused by protecting a vic when it's up in the air whether a vic is a vic or a p