Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #19

[SeriouslySearching]

I know for a FACT LE and media read here....and don't forget, there are criminals, prosecutors and attorney's also that read here ;):seeya: To the media: If you quote me...please make sure you spell my first name right! S..E..R..I..O..U..S..L..Y. Thanks! :takeabow:

[Starr58]

I have read here about the possible murder by MJ of a 12 yr old girl in Arizona and some have dismissed this as a threat used by MJ to intimidate his victims.

In the blog I posted earlier, an exerpt from the affidavitt states :

"He calmly explained to (.........) that he had killed another girl, that it also happened in a car, that she was 12 years old. The unknown male further explained that the incident occurred in Arizona about seven years ago, that the other girl bit him, that maybe she didn’t intend to bite him, but she did and consequently he slit her throat."

Since the Rutland incident occured in 1992 the possible murder of the Arizona girl occured in 1985. MJ would have been 19, I think. Does anyone have a record of where MJ has resided through out his life? Could he possibly have been in Arizona in 1985?

[CarpeDiem]

SeriouslySearching,

Almost every television show with mini-clad streetwalkers stepping from curbs, and poking their heads into passenger windows, have them saying, "Hey, wanna party?"

Why have I misinterpreted this? :rolleyes:

We're not talking about a prostitute. We're talking about a 12 year old girl.

[SeriouslySearching]

We have checked it out and unless he was on a short trip at the time...we have found no connection to AZ. To my knowledge, we have not found a girl missing or murdered during that time from AZ either. (We have been researching it tho.)

It is possible the girl was only from AZ and was not in AZ at the time, too. Still, we haven't found anything yet.

[christine2448]

I have read here about the possible murder by MJ of a 12 yr old girl in Arizona and some have dismissed this as a threat used by MJ to intimidate his victims.

In the blog I posted earlier, an exerpt from the affidavitt states :

"He calmly explained to (.........) that he had killed another girl, that it also happened in a car, that she was 12 years old. The unknown male further explained that the incident occurred in Arizona about seven years ago, that the other girl bit him, that maybe she didn’t intend to bite him, but she did and consequently he slit her throat."

Since the Rutland incident occured in 1992 the possible murder of the Arizona girl occured in 1985. MJ would have been 19, I think. Does anyone have a record of where MJ has resided through out his life? Could he possibly have been in Arizona in 1985?

Thank you for reminding me of this. I was on the phone with believe09 earlier and we discussed starting a thread on this....here is the link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2373345#post2373345), I think this needs to be discussed :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree. Are we back to the emails are all in code talk again?I don't think there was code talk in the emails other than the mention of the "phone company". No, it was said in the email about the reason why fake Sam was going to be coming in early to make it plausible to Brooke, IIRC.

[DianeB]

DianeB,What is "lit up the bong"? Smoke dope?

A bong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong

A place to buy a bong.
http://www.drbongs.com/

A fruit bong.
http://www.jokeroo.com/funnypictures/charlize.html

You can use just about anything as a bong, as long as it filters smoke (pot, usually) to make it less harsh.

Apparently, "to party" has become a verb with multiple meanings!

[SeriouslySearching]

We're not talking about a prostitute. We're talking about a 12 year old girl.Oh, I totally agree with you, CD! We are also talking about a small town 12 year old girl!

[christine2448]

I don't think there was code talk in the emails other than the mention of the "phone company". No, it was said in the email about the reason why fake Sam was going to be coming in early to make it plausible to Brooke, IIRC.

I am trying to help organize and keep the discussion thread from being so overwhelming....I just started an email thread. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2373362#post2373362)

[ZOOL]

We're not talking about a prostitute. We're talking about a 12 year old girl.

I think I am talking about AR. And my opinion of AR is that she was being groomed.

[VTGirl007]

As a Vermonter who was a teenager not too terribly long ago, I take going to party to mean get drunk and/or hang out with friends.

[VTGirl007]

I just discovered who the probation officer was. He's also the officer in charge of the RSO living next door to my town's busiest school bus stop. That's comforting. Not.

[christine2448]

I just discovered who the probation officer was. He's also the officer in charge of the RSO living next door to my town's busiest school bus stop. That's comforting. Not.

Oy vey.

[christine2448]

Another one

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67275

[galvino]

:clap:Boy Christine, you rock! Thanks all of you for the new threads!!! I think they should help all of us-esp peeps that are just getting on board with this case. I swear i don't remember one that needed this many threads/involved this many people (both on the periphery as well as extended family members) Whew!!!

[InsomniacWoman]

:clap:Boy Christine, you rock! Thanks all of you for the new threads!!! I think they should help all of us-esp peeps that are just getting on board with this case. I swear i don't remember one that needed this many threads/involved this many people (both on the periphery as well as extended family members) Whew!!!

Yes, my thanks too Christine, and everyone's work! I still need alot of catching up to do..renovating my bathroom all week kept me away from the board...I'd rather be here, lol ! :-)

[christine2448]

Yes, my thanks too Christine, and everyone's work! I still need alot of catching up to do..renovating my bathroom all week kept me away from the board...I'd rather be here, lol ! :-)

Okie dokies then, let's trade for a couple of days ;) :blowkiss:

[InsomniacWoman]

Okie dokies then, let's trade for a couple of days ;) :blowkiss:

LOL !! I hear ya ! *hug* :) :)

[Starr58]

Evaluating Vermont's First Amber Alert-B. Bennett


Burlington, Vermont - July 11, 2008

It's construction season in Vermont-- and if you didn't know it-- all you'd have to do is read the electronic billboards... billboards that should have been displaying an Amber Alert when Brooke Bennett went missing two weeks ago.

"They just didn't contact us. If we'd been contacted, we would have put our system in place," said John Zicconi of the Vt. Agency of Transportation.

Vt. State police say they forgot to contact the Agency of Transportation.

"There may have been a little breakdown in communication," admitted Vt. State Police Lt. Mark Lauer


First they Vermont DOC release the POS and then when he kidnappes a child the State Police "forget" to call the Agency of Transportation to activate the electronic billboards!!!!

And they are investigating this case!!! YIKES

It just keeps getting better

[believe09]

We're going to to have to agree to disagree on the relevance of knowing the names of various minors and relatives in photos, AR's half sister's names, and so forth in terms of the actual case of Brooke Bennett's abduction and murder. The only exception I would make is information on AR's boyfriend because he IS involved in the case and information about him could be helpful to figure out what he might have known or not known, but he's a minor and so far LE hasn't given the faintest hint that he had any knowledge of Brooke's fate.

I wasn't speaking of this web site as voyeristic and narcissistic, more of the FaceBooke/MySpace generation that will post and blog about the most private information, their sex lives, drug use, post photos of themselves in compromising situations and seemly not care that it will be available for anyone who has a mind to find it forever.

I am going to come in here and say that there is a line between natural curiosity and morbid curiosity....I have no appetite for the continued presentation of details in this case that have nothing other than salaciousness to recommend them-the names of half siblings and the names and locations of other possible sexual assault victims come to mind. We have been comfortable in the past not only on these threads but on others with using initials. We have always masked or chosen to send by PM myspace pages etc...I realize that I am beating a dead horse, and I will let it go. Let's continue to theorize and toss ideas back and forth...let's go find the safe, lol. Let us channel our energy into finding a way to keep safe the remaining children who are still at the mercy of the adults involved in this monstrocity....just a thought.

I am facinated by the reports from those who are in the community regarding family dynamics, as well as the posts that give me a feel for the location and distances...so please do not stop giving us the scoop!!!

Peace to all....

[MoonFlwr]

Evaluating Vermont's First Amber Alert-B. Bennett


Burlington, Vermont - July 11, 2008

It's construction season in Vermont-- and if you didn't know it-- all you'd have to do is read the electronic billboards... billboards that should have been displaying an Amber Alert when Brooke Bennett went missing two weeks ago.

"They just didn't contact us. If we'd been contacted, we would have put our system in place," said John Zicconi of the Vt. Agency of Transportation.

Vt. State police say they forgot to contact the Agency of Transportation.

"There may have been a little breakdown in communication," admitted Vt. State Police Lt. Mark Lauer


First they Vermont DOC release the POS and then when he kidnappes a child the State Police "forget" to call the Agency of Transportation to activate the electronic billboards!!!!

And they are investigating this case!!! YIKES

It just keeps getting better

:eek:

[LI_Mom]

"There may have been a little breakdown in communication," admitted Vt. State Police Lt. Mark Lauer



A little breakdown? That sounds like being a little pregnant.

[MoonFlwr]

A little breakdown? That sounds like being a little pregnant.

I hate to think about the possibility that this missed opportunity may have resulted in a better outcome in this case!

I wonder really how much it could've helped!? Any ideas, anyone?

I guess, it may be hard to say, given that a TOD has not been released yet.
But, there would've been more eyes out there, at least!

[becca]

A little breakdown? That sounds like being a little pregnant.

no kidding!!! Did these people not do a run through to make sure everything was in place when it was needed?

[LI_Mom]

I hate to think about the possibility that this missed opportunity may have resulted in a better outcome in this case!

I wonder really how much it could've helped!? Any ideas, anyone?

I guess, it may be hard to say, given that a TOD has not been released yet.
But, there would've been more eyes out there, at least!

That was my first thought also BUT since we know she was taken right back to the house & wasn't out in public.... I doubt it would have made a bit of a difference.

We have no idea WHEN Brooke's family expected her home from her sleepover at Brooke's... it makes sense that MJ & AR would have made sure her mom expected she would spend the next day & evening w/ AR.

If they didn't expect her until that night... I can understand why they didn't start to worry right away. Kids have fun & stretch the curfew all the time.... the kid is with her cousins.

[Chica]

That was my first thought also BUT since we know she was taken right back to the house & wasn't out in public.... I doubt it would have made a bit of a difference.
We have no idea WHEN Brooke's family expected her home from her sleepover at Brooke's... it makes sense that MJ & AR would have made sure her mom expected she would spend the next day & evening w/ AR.

If they didn't expect her until that night... I can understand why they didn't start to worry right away. Kids have fun & stretch the curfew all the time.... the kid is with her cousins.

...but we don't really know when she was taken back to the house...all we really know is what AR said in the affidavits, and I'm not sure we can believe everything she said..I think she may be minimizing her part in this. Just a thought.

[VTNance]

When reading through the 18-page affidavit, there are several anomalies which caught my eye. One of those was the expression "going to party" verses "at the party". Perhaps it is a typographical error on the part of someone [note: I will have to locate the reference to say just who] at one point however it could be exactly what it was intended to be i.e. going to party. Further on in reading, we learn from an exchange between E and AR, that AR's "plan" calls for Brooke to be inticed by the prospects of having sex with Sam who theoretical has the "hots" for Brooke.

All this seems to contradict the belief that Brooke was naive, or was an innocent player in the upcoming events leading into June 25. Perhaps she was partly mentally prepared but also wary.

There's also a place in the e-mails where AR is suggesting ways they might get "the problem" (Brooke) where they want her, and she says: "I guess you could have some hot guy pick her up adn [sic] say that he is going to **** her at his house then he brings her to his house, which is really to you."

What do you make of that? "Some" guy? "say that he is going to **** her at his house"? And also, "you could have some hot guy pick her up,"

What do you make of this?

I will say this, even in a small town in Vermont, there are kids that "grow up" 'way too fast.

[LI_Mom]

...but we don't really know when she was taken back to the house...all we really know is what AR said in the affidavits, and I'm not sure we can believe everything she said..I think she may be minimizing her part in this. Just a thought.

That's true BUT it's a pretty safe guess they either took her directly to the house OR some hidden location where the attack would take place.

My point is that this wasn't the type of kidnapping where the victim is out in public for any length of time. The Amber Alert couldn't have saved her.

[CarpeDiem]

I hate to think about the possibility that this missed opportunity may have resulted in a better outcome in this case!

I wonder really how much it could've helped!? Any ideas, anyone?

I guess, it may be hard to say, given that a TOD has not been released yet.
But, there would've been more eyes out there, at least!

Unfortunately, I don't think it would have helped Brooke or made a difference in her outcome. But making sure it never happens again will help someone else.

[VTNance]

]
If they didn't expect her until that night... I can understand why they didn't start to worry right away. Kids have fun & stretch the curfew all the time.... the kid is with her cousins.

.....and her uncle, the convicted kidnapper and rapist.

[LI_Mom]

There's also a place in the e-mails where AR is suggesting ways they might get "the problem" (Brooke) where they want her, and she says: "I guess you could have some hot guy pick her up adn [sic] say that he is going to **** her at his house then he brings her to his house, which is really to you."

What do you make of that? "Some" guy? "say that he is going to **** her at his house"? And also, "you could have some hot guy pick her up,"

What do you make of this?

I will say this, even in a small town in Vermont, there are kids that "grow up" 'way too fast.

I think that's AR thinking out loud.... of ideas that would appeal to HER.


I doubt they would have settled on ANY plan that had the potential to scare Brooke away... they'd want to make her feel a little grown up but not in so over her head that she backed out or worse yet... mentioned any concerns to anyone.

[VTNance]

That's true BUT it's a pretty safe guess they either took her directly to the house OR some hidden location where the attack would take place.

My point is that this wasn't the type of kidnapping where the victim is out in public for any length of time. The Amber Alert couldn't have saved her.

Agreed. I think it's pretty certain they went right back to the house, it is only a distance of maybe 7 miles, not on any heavily traveled roads. I don't think the Amber Alert could have made a bit of difference. But, at least if it is ever needed again, people will be more on the ball about how to put it in motion.

[LI_Mom]

.....and her uncle, the convicted rapist.

Don't forget.... it was a Wednesday.... it's probable that her family believed her Aunt AND Uncle would be at work during the day.


At almost 13 years old, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to allow a child to spend a day with a 14+ year old cousin.

After all, this is a very small & safe community where most kids probably have a lot of freedom that they don't have in cities or some suburbs.

[CarpeDiem]

I think that's AR thinking out loud.... of ideas that would appeal to HER.


I doubt they would have settled on ANY plan that had the potential to scare Brooke away... they'd want to make her feel a little grown up but not in so over her head that she backed out or worse yet... mentioned any concerns to anyone.

It's too bad we don't have the exact text messages to Brooke, what "Sam" - MJ through AR - specifically did say to Brooke. And what she was replying back about the plans to AR.

It was noticeable, even when these messages first came out, that he didn't go for AR's ideas either.

[LI_Mom]

Agreed. I think it's pretty certain they went right back to the house, it is only a distance of maybe 7 miles, not on any heavily traveled roads. I don't think the Amber Alert could have made a bit of difference. But, at least if it is ever needed again, people will be more on the ball about how to put it in motion.

And hopefully they'll have a test run.... just to make sure.

[VTNance]

At almost 13 years old, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to allow a child to spend a day with a 14+ year old cousin.

Without any adult supervision all day long? Who is overseeing what they do on the Internet or what they watch on TV? One of Brooke's MySpace accounts had already been shut down by her bio dad because he did not like some of the activitiy he saw on it. Kids are great but I sure wouldn't make a practice of leaving a 13 and 14 y.o. at home alone all day, there is just too much trouble to be gotten into.

And, in the house of a registered sex offender, even if you didn't think he was going to be home? That seems pretty unreasonable to me. JMHO

[liljim]

im sure you didnt mean it to be, but i find this post pretty offensive.

just my opinion.

When reading through the 18-page affidavit, there are several anomalies which caught my eye. One of those was the expression "going to party" verses "at the party". Perhaps it is a typographical error on the part of someone [note: I will have to locate the reference to say just who] at one point however it could be exactly what it was intended to be i.e. going to party. Further on in reading, we learn from an exchange between E and AR, that AR's "plan" calls for Brooke to be inticed by the prospects of having sex with Sam who theoretical has the "hots" for Brooke.

All this seems to contradict the belief that Brooke was naive, or was an innocent player in the upcoming events leading into June 25. Perhaps she was partly mentally prepared but also wary.

[DianeB]

im sure you didnt mean it to be, but i find this post pretty offensive.

just my opinion.
Liljim, I don't find it offensive so much as sad. Do we know what kind of conversations were occurring on the Myspace page Brooke's dad had taken down?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that AR was pretty boy-crazy, if her email comments about looking forward to "farmer season" are accurate. If Brooke spent much time around her, the conversation would have veered at some point to boys and sex.

Whether Brooke would have - as we said when I was a kid - "gone all the way" - is open to question.

[becca]

Agreed. I think it's pretty certain they went right back to the house, it is only a distance of maybe 7 miles, not on any heavily traveled roads. I don't think the Amber Alert could have made a bit of difference. But, at least if it is ever needed again, people will be more on the ball about how to put it in motion.
The Amber Alert was issued and broadcast thru the media just not on the electronic billboards by the roads.

[DianeB]

The Amber Alert was issued and broadcast thru the media just not on the electronic billboards by the roads.Do we know who reported seeing her at the laundromat, and whether that report was made as a result of the Amber Alert?

[olepi]

The Amber Alert was issued and broadcast thru the media just not on the electronic billboards by the roads.

Does anyone know whether it was text messaged out to people who subscribe to Amber Alerts?

[VTNance]

Do we know who reported seeing her at the laundromat, and whether that report was made as a result of the Amber Alert?

I think that info came from a few people around the town, who came forward after the police asked if anyone had seen her. Don't know about the Amber Alert, if it had already been issued at that time

[Chica]

That's true BUT it's a pretty safe guess they either took her directly to the house OR some hidden location where the attack would take place.

My point is that this wasn't the type of kidnapping where the victim is out in public for any length of time. The Amber Alert couldn't have saved her.

You are probably right...I was thinking that if they had the highway signs on, and if MJ transported Brooke somewhere while she was still alive (which I think is a strong possibility, since we don't know TOD), that someone could have seen his vehicle and reported it. In hindsight, however, I doubt he would have been transporting her via highway...if he transported her at all, I would think it was via back roads...so much still not known!

Thank you for replying - I appreciate hearing another perspective.:blowkiss:

[texas48]

I'm sure castration is not a cure-all but it seems to me it might go a long way towards helping some.

From a Washington Post story: "One Danish study suggested the rate of repeat offenses dropped from 80 percent to 2.3 percent after surgical castration."
The Louisina law for any type of sex crimes is 1st offence=Judge has the right to decide on castration...2nd offfence=mandatory castration. The state did have the dealth penalty in certain sex crime cases but was ousted by Supreme court...La. governor was saying last night they was fighting hard to get dealth penalty back. The do not fool around with these types of crimes, especially when children are involved. GOOD for you Louisiana.:blowkiss:

[LI_Mom]

It's too bad we don't have the exact text messages to Brooke, what "Sam" - MJ through AR - specifically did say to Brooke. And what she was replying back about the plans to AR.

It was noticeable, even when these messages first came out, that he didn't go for AR's ideas either.

Yes, they only released just enough info so they could make the preliminary arrests & know the subjects would not be released.

I think there are probably a mountain of phone logs, MySpace messages and emails that they have to go through.

We hear up to the time that they get back from Cumberland Farms & there's no mention of AR leaving the house when Brooke goes upstairs.

Was that the plan they settled on? If so, then what if AR ran into someone from Brooke's family who expected them to be together that day? Was she going to say Brooke ran off with some kid & sound the alert THAT early????

It seems way too reckless to have AR wandering around in public during the day.

[liljim]

Liljim, I don't find it offensive so much as sad. Do we know what kind of conversations were occurring on the Myspace page Brooke's dad had taken down?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that AR was pretty boy-crazy, if her email comments about looking forward to "farmer season" are accurate. If Brooke spent much time around her, the conversation would have veered at some point to boys and sex.

Whether Brooke would have - as we said when I was a kid - "gone all the way" - is open to question.


what i find offensive is the particular wording "All this seems to contradict the belief that Brooke was naive, or was an innocent player in the upcoming events leading into June 25."

i dont see how it contributes to the story/investigation AT ALL to speculate about brooke's possible sexual activity or intentions leading up to the day she was abducted. i dont think there is any strong evidence regarding the matter, and i think the speculation included in the post is particularly wild and very questionable.

[EYL]

FYI, if it matters, AR's my space was logged into today

[Fairy1]

Don't forget.... it was a Wednesday.... it's probable that her family believed her Aunt AND Uncle would be at work during the day.


At almost 13 years old, I don't think it's unreasonable for parents to allow a child to spend a day with a 14+ year old cousin.

After all, this is a very small & safe community where most kids probably have a lot of freedom that they don't have in cities or some suburbs.

IIRC - they didn't know she was with MJ. She said she was going to visit a friend's relative in the hospital, right? It may very well be that Brooke's mom had told her never to be alone with MJ. She was a typical teen pushing the envelope. Telling her parents she was going with a friend to visit a relative in the hospital when she THOUGHT she was going to a "party."

[SeriouslySearching]

As soon as Christine gets the emails put in order...they are ready for you to rip apart on that thread. :) I think I will suggest she move the posts dealing with that topic over there, too.

[LI_Mom]

The Louisina law for any type of sex crimes is 1st offence=Judge has the right to decide on castration...2nd offfence=mandatory castration. The state did have the dealth penalty in certain sex crime cases but was ousted by Supreme court...La. governor was saying last night they was fighting hard to get dealth penalty back. The do not fool around with these types of crimes, especially when children are involved. GOOD for you Louisiana.:blowkiss:

And yet, we hear of women who also commit horrible sex crimes against minors.

Sexual crimes do NOT require a penis or testicles or even a sex drive.

[Starr58]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA071108.01B.Vermont_Killing.EN.3f2d36a.html

FBI scours landfill for trashed safe

"The affidavit said Gagnon acknowledged that he had downloaded child pornography onto a laptop computer and hard drives he kept in his safe.

In the safe, he also kept photos he received from Jacques of an underage couple engaged in sexual acts, according to the affidavit. "

[Starr58]

Why wasn't KG charged with destroying evidence?

[SeriouslySearching]

And yet, we hear of women who also commit horrible sex crimes against minors.

Sexual crimes do NOT require a penis or testicles or even a sex drive.I agree! I think they are a bit naive about rape of anyone. Castration won't stop them...it will only make them angrier and more sadistic, imo.

[CarpeDiem]

The Amber Alert was issued and broadcast thru the media just not on the electronic billboards by the roads.

They managed to get through to the State Lottery Commission too. The Alert was printed on all VT Lottery Tickets.

[LI_Mom]

IIRC - they didn't know she was with MJ. She said she was going to visit a friend's relative in the hospital, right? It may very well be that Brooke's mom had told her never to be alone with MJ. She was a typical teen pushing the envelope. Telling her parents she was going with a friend to visit a relative in the hospital when she THOUGHT she was going to a "party."

To tell the truth, I can't keep all the lies straight. lol

I think the hospital story was supposed to be what Brooke told AR & MJ when they dropped her off. (When in reality they were telling Brooke the story about the make believe party)

All her mother needed to know was that she planned on spending the day with her cousin... IF her mother believed MJ would be at work, why would she be concerned?????

We don't know whether Cassandra works & what HER schedule was that day. We DO know that Brooke's sister Savanna was working that day... or at least MJ & AR mentioned her being at work on 'the' day.

[DianeB]

i dont see how it contributes to the story/investigation AT ALL to speculate about brooke's possible sexual activity or intentions leading up to the day she was abducted. i dont think there is any strong evidence regarding the matter, and i think the speculation included in the post is particularly wild and very questionable.I have to disagree with you here. If we're discussing the investigation, there is no doubt that one avenue LE will be trying to get a handle on is whether Brooke was consensually sexually active, and if so, with whom. It's possible that many people in her family would be unaware if she was, but likely that AR would have been privy to that kind of information given her own situation.

That said, I agree with you that it's not a cheerful subject to be discussing about a murdered 12 year old girl, but at this point we know very little about her. My gut feeling is that she was not sexually active, but the dad shutting down her myspace page gives me pause.

[DianeB]

Why wasn't KG charged with destroying evidence?Or obstructing justice?

I hope he's sweating bullets right about now.

[texas48]

I understand that people get emotionally involved and want to feel a part of things, so I can see why people would want to see the funeral. But, truth is, people want to see all kinds of things that are inappropriate. I'm sure if they televised executions they would get fantastic ratings. But, its not appropriate, neither is televising the funderal of a 12 year old girl who died under horrific circumstances.

But, like I said, I'm old fashioned. I don't agree with the need to report verbatim graphic information or for the public to see the autopsy reports or all kinds of voyeristic things that are done in the name of the public's right to know or society's increasingly narcissistic tendency of posting/photographing/blogging about what used to be private life.Thats what is great about our country. WE have the right to decide for ourselves if we want to watch whatever is broadcast or we have the right to read whatever is written. It is like a television station....you can always turn the chanel.

[Starr58]

Or obstructing justice?

I hope he's sweating bullets right about now.

I would hope they at least polygraphed him prior to spending week looking through the landfill

[DianeB]

As soon as Christine gets the emails put in order...they are ready for you to rip apart on that thread. :) I think I will suggest she move the posts dealing with that topic over there, too.I saw your transcriptions, and the first thing I thought of were those old Palmolive commercials with Madge ("You're soaking in it!"). I'll bet your poor fingers could use a good massage after all that typing - although I never understood why anyone would soak their hands in dishwashing liquid.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to disagree with you here. If we're discussing the investigation, there is no doubt that one avenue LE will be trying to get a handle on is whether Brooke was consensually sexually active, and if so, with whom. It's possible that many people in her family would be unaware if she was, but likely that AR would have been privy to that kind of information given her own situation.

That said, I agree with you that it's not a cheerful subject to be discussing about a murdered 12 year old girl, but at this point we know very little about her. My gut feeling is that she was not sexually active, but the dad shutting down her myspace page gives me pause.:confused: How do you make the huge leap from her dad shutting down her myspace to her being sexually active?!

Her father said he didn't like who she was talking to or something to that effect, IIRC. I think if he read her my space messages and there were some he felt came from strangers (such as MJ playing his stupid parts), then Jim did what ANY good father SHOULD do and shut it down! There is nothing to indicate he did it for ANY overt sexual reasons at all.

[CarpeDiem]

Or obstructing justice?



He was. And did not fight a move by the fed's on July 7th to further his detention on the charge.

[Chica]

Why wasn't KG charged with destroying evidence?

My guess is (if, in fact, he wasn't charged!) is because he claims he did not know what was in the safe. His story is that he was just doing a friend a favor.:rolleyes:

[LI_Mom]

I agree! I think they are a bit naive about rape of anyone. Castration won't stop them...it will only make them angrier and more sadistic, imo.

ITA!!!

This "castration" idea is brought up time & time again in order to placate the public, imo.

The brain is the most important sex organ.... maybe in the future, when science has advanced their understanding of brain functions psychosurgery will be the answer... because we certainly can't count on mentally ill or sexually deviant people to take medications.

Of course, there's that slippery slope.... in the wrong hands, power like this can be a real horror for lots of innocent people.

[texas48]

We aren't exactly normal people here. We are about as involved in these cases as you can get without actually being a part of LE or the media. We got into this case because we had a missing 12 year old girl who vanished under suspicious circumstances. When we get into a case that takes such obvious horrific turns, we are going to continue to investigate. We also become very emotionally involved because we do care about the people we come to "know" on a certain level. It is hard not to.

If a person is adverse to investigating everything that comes out in a case...they need to understand it is what we do here. We research every detail and try to piece together what actually took place. Sometimes the details are very gruesome, but they are essential parts of the investigation. They wouldn't be released if there were not some logical reason for LE having done so. I don't consider us as "voyeristic" or as having a "narcissistic tendency of posting/photographing/blogging about what used to be private life".

I don't know of many high profile cases where they don't show the funeral or at least the people coming and going. It may not fall under the public's right to know, but I haven't heard many families who are truly offended by it either. The public is and has been notably supportive of the families in such cases.This is exactly how I feel about it all. Many families in situations like this agree to have the funeral televised in order for "many" to attend,to pay their respect. If the falimly had wanted private service they could have requested that.

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw your transcriptions, and the first thing I thought of were those old Palmolive commercials with Madge ("You're soaking in it!"). I'll bet your poor fingers could use a good massage after all that typing - although I never understood why anyone would soak their hands in dishwashing liquid.Thanks! I type really, really fast. It didn't take me long...it was the trip to the store and the phone calls which made it seem much longer. LOL My fingers are still flying just fine since it is what I do all day every day at the office and here. (Maybe they should have "finger" olympic games! hehehe I would so win!)

I remember as a teenager trying that! Hahahahaha~ My mom used to laugh so hard at me. It only made your hands soapy. (I used it to wash my hair with it then, too! Worked great after basketball practice and cheerleading! LOL)

[VTNance]

what i find offensive is the particular wording "All this seems to contradict the belief that Brooke was naive, or was an innocent player in the upcoming events leading into June 25."

i dont see how it contributes to the story/investigation AT ALL to speculate about brooke's possible sexual activity or intentions leading up to the day she was abducted. i dont think there is any strong evidence regarding the matter, and i think the speculation included in the post is particularly wild and very questionable.


Liljim, I appreciate what you are saying. Brooke was an innocent victim, whatever her experience was (or was not) with boys. But, I respectfully disagree that it has nothing to do with the investigation... because it could tell us a lot about what kind of things went on over at Jacques' house. IF these guys were involved in a porn ring (and I know not everyone thinks they are...but we don't know)...they had to have somebody to photo.... it could have been kids who thought they were just having a good time "partying" but did not know they were being caught on camera. I know that sounds sick, but is possible! I certainly didn't raise my questions about that (not in the post you mentioned) to slander Brooke. Only to try to figure out the truth. "JMHO" and RIP Brooke.

[becca]

Does anyone know whether it was text messaged out to people who subscribe to Amber Alerts?
Good question and I have no answers.... maybe someone local could answer that. I know I get them on my phone here in Fl.I also get an email from FDLE.

[DianeB]

:confused: How do you make the huge leap from her dad shutting down her myspace to her being sexually active?!

Her father said he didn't like who she was talking to or something to that effect, IIRC. I think if he read her my space messages and there were some he felt came from strangers (such as MJ playing his stupid parts), then Jim did what ANY good father SHOULD do and shut it down! There is nothing to indicate he did it for ANY overt sexual reasons at all.This is Mr Bennett's quote about her myspace page:

The girl established her first MySpace account under her father's supervision, but he later pulled the plug on it a couple of months ago after they learned about some of her activity on it, according to the father, James Bennett, 41, of Bethel.

"We told her when we set it up there that's things you're not gonna' do," he said. "We had a little respect problem after a month or so, so we shut it off. There was an issue, and we decided it was not appropriate for her to have it. We changed the password so she couldn't use it," he said.

She later set up an account from another computer, which Bennett said he didn't know until a week ago. The girl lives with her mother in Braintree, not with Bennett.
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/NEWS/604791185

What kind of posted text/photos(?) would have caused him to change her password? My personal interpretation was that they were of a mature nature (couldn't think of another plausible reason), and he was uncomfortable with it.

Of course I could be wrong!

[Starr58]

He was. And did not fight a move by the fed's on July 7th to further his detention on the charge.

Kevin G was NOT charged. Gagnon was. Correct?

[CarpeDiem]

This is Mr Bennett's quote about her myspace page:


http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/NEWS/604791185

What kind of posted text/photos(?) would have caused him to change her password? My personal interpretation was that they were of a mature nature (couldn't think of another plausible reason), and he was uncomfortable with it.

Of course I could be wrong!

We don't allow our teens to use myspace yet (don't know if we will ever), but if/when they are on there, vulgarity/swearing/fighting would be reasons they would lose the privilege.

[LI_Mom]

:confused: How do you make the huge leap from her dad shutting down her myspace to her being sexually active?!

Her father said he didn't like who she was talking to or something to that effect, IIRC. I think if he read her my space messages and there were some he felt came from strangers (such as MJ playing his stupid parts), then Jim did what ANY good father SHOULD do and shut it down! There is nothing to indicate he did it for ANY overt sexual reasons at all.

Phones, cell phones, IMs, PMs, emails, library computers, friends' computers, WI-FI connections....

it's IMPOSSIBLE for a parent to keep their child in a bubble these days.

Technology is here to stay. The best we can do is learn how to RECOGNIZE the way predators will also use these technologies & learn to protect our loved ones as well as ourselves.

Child AND adult.... we have a false sense of security chatting with people anonymously & it doesn't take long to develop a 'bond' with complete strangers.

We MUST rethink the definitions of stranger in this new day & age & how that affects all our lives.

[DianeB]

We don't allow our teens to use myspace yet (don't know if we will ever), but if/when they are on there, vulgarity/swearing/fighting would be reasons they would lose the priviledge.I hadn't considered the profanity angle - yes, bad language could also have been the cause of her dad's action.

I don't use myspace - is there a lot of profanity on there?

[CarpeDiem]

Kevin G was NOT charged. Gagnon was. Correct?

I'm sorry, you said KG and I read RG. My apologies.

[Busylady]

I will go back and try and find the article, but IIRC he mentioned he didnt like the language and there were some people too old that he didnt know on her friends list that he wasnt comfortable with.



This is Mr Bennett's quote about her myspace page:


http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/NEWS/604791185

What kind of posted text/photos(?) would have caused him to change her password? My personal interpretation was that they were of a mature nature (couldn't think of another plausible reason), and he was uncomfortable with it.

Of course I could be wrong!

[SeriouslySearching]

ITA!!!

This "castration" idea is brought up time & time again in order to placate the public, imo.

The brain is the most important sex organ.... maybe in the future, when science has advanced their understanding of brain functions psychosurgery will be the answer... because we certainly can't count on mentally ill or sexually deviant people to take medications.

Of course, there's that slippery slope.... in the wrong hands, power like this can be a real horror for lots of innocent people.I am waiting on the day when science can narrow down the brain at all. We know so little about our original "computer" at this point.

Until then, locking them away or the DP is the only "cure" for pedophiles. It is obsessive thinking with a combination of innate behavior, retarded sexuality, and several psychological disorders, imo. How do they really expect to find a cure for them when we can barely cure mere depression in people?!

[LI_Mom]

This is Mr Bennett's quote about her myspace page:


http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080626/NEWS/604791185

What kind of posted text/photos(?) would have caused him to change her password? My personal interpretation was that they were of a mature nature (couldn't think of another plausible reason), and he was uncomfortable with it.

Of course I could be wrong!

If a person sets their MySpace profile to "private" then the only people who can leave pics or messages are friends you approve. And then it depends on what YOUR kid does & what kind of friends he/she has.

If you set it to public, you can get all sorts of SPAM that's not suitable for children.

I don't understand why MySpace doesn't clean up it's own act & stop allowing spam & questionable posts EXCEPT maybe in an adults only area.

It's hard to believe how kids speak these days anyway.... and I'm not talking about bad kids. Ick.

[InsomniacWoman]

[QUOTE=LI_Mom;2374277]We don't know whether Cassandra works & what HER schedule was that day. QUOTE]

I just found this news transcript on a TV3 CAX website, (not sure if this has been posted here earlier):

http://tv3.wcax.com/n/sat6p.htm

But in part there is a quote (among many) by Cassandra as saying: "Gagnon: "They have no idea. I could have been right next to her and someone could have grabbed her. I was at work and I knew where my children were. They always talk to me, so if people want to judge me, that's their choice, but to hell with them."

What I'm puzzled about is if Cassandra means she was at work on June 25th.
Then again, she probably was. She also mentions that she never allowed her daughter to visit MJ's house if another adult wasn't present.

As I've said, I'm not sure if the quotes from TV3 CAX website had been posted earlier here, I just found it now, after doing a Google search on Cassandra's name, to see if something came up as to if she worked and where.

[DianeB]

I will go back and try and find the article, but IIRC he mentioned he didnt like the language and there were some people too old that he didnt know on her friends list that he wasnt comfortable with.But wouldn't that be all the more reason that LE would want to know whether she was sexually active? Wasn't that the angle they were pursuing before she was found, that she'd run off with someone she met on myspace?

[SeriouslySearching]

They managed to get through to the State Lottery Commission too. The Alert was printed on all VT Lottery Tickets.I think this is a great idea! I haven't checked to see if we do that, but we should. We sell tons of Lottery tickets and people read them. (Give away millions to get people to take notice of our missing...but if it works? Why not?)

[becca]

I think this is a great idea! I haven't checked to see if we do that, but we should. We sell tons of Lottery tickets and people read them. (Give away millions to get people to take notice of our missing...but if it works? Why not?)
I like that idea. I don't think we do that here. But all states with a lottery should. Its one more way to inform the public of a missing child.

[DianeB]

If a person sets their MySpace profile to "private" then the only people who can leave pics or messages are friends you approve. And then it depends on what YOUR kid does & what kind of friends he/she has.Do we know if either of Brooke's myspace pages were private, or were they made private when she went missing?

[Busylady]

James Bennett said there had been some tension a month ago regarding Brooke's MySpace page. He actually helped her set up the page originally, but then had taken it down due to some inappropriate language. But he said overall she is really a good kid and had no reason to run away.

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8558608&ClientType=Printable

So he had shut down the one myspace account towards the end of May. The last log on date for the account that I thought was shut down was 3/20/2008. I wonder if there was even more myspace accounts, than the 3 we knew about?

[SeriouslySearching]

But wouldn't that be all the more reason that LE would want to know whether she was sexually active? Wasn't that the angle they were pursuing before she was found, that she'd run off with someone she met on myspace?While I agree with discussing things pertinent to a case to the max, I honestly don't believe that Brooke being abducted, tortured, and murdered has anything to do with if she was active or not. I don't think we need to be going there personally. Since when is a victim's prior sexual behavior part of such a case? We don't even go there when we discuss a hooker being abducted/tortured/murdered.

[DianeB]

But in part there is a quote (among many) by Cassandra as saying: "Gagnon: "They have no idea. I could have been right next to her and someone could have grabbed her. I was at work and I knew where my children were. They always talk to me, so if people want to judge me, that's their choice, but to hell with them."I always thought that was a strange thing to say - how could someone grab your child from your side?

I attributed her self-defensiveness to recriminations she must have been receiving privately, and questions she was being asked by LE.

[LI_Mom]

I am waiting on the day when science can narrow down the brain at all. We know so little about our original "computer" at this point.

Until then, locking them away or the DP is the only "cure" for pedophiles. It is obsessive thinking with a combination of innate behavior, retarded sexuality, and several psychological disorders, imo. How do they really expect to find a cure for them when we can barely cure mere depression in people?!

I wonder if they ever CAN map out the brain completely so it can be 'tweaked.' There might be too many variables that make it impossible.

I worry if you make pedophilia a death penalty offense... does an anti-death penalty leaning legal system make it even harder to convict pedophiles?

Anyway.... another thought.... how about segregation like they used to do with leper colonies. IF this was strictly by choice & security was of the highest priority... I think that might be one way to deal with the problem in a humane way.

[SeriouslySearching]

James Bennett said there had been some tension a month ago regarding Brooke's MySpace page. He actually helped her set up the page originally, but then had taken it down due to some inappropriate language. But he said overall she is really a good kid and had no reason to run away.

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8558608&ClientType=Printable

So he had shut down the one myspace account towards the end of May. The last log on date for the account that I thought was shut down was 3/20/2008. I wonder if there was even more myspace accounts, than the 3 we knew about?Sadly, they didn't have to be myspace accounts. They could be AOL, Yahoo, etc. They could even be on sites we aren't aware of that her friends were. She could have been anywhere on the internet.

[Busylady]

Maybe I live in a different world, but language and having 16 or 17 yr olds on their myspace would not make me question if they were sexually active. She was 12 yrs old!!!!

But wouldn't that be all the more reason that LE would want to know whether she was sexually active? Wasn't that the angle they were pursuing before she was found, that she'd run off with someone she met on myspace?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if they ever CAN map out the brain completely so it can be 'tweaked.' There might be too many variables that make it impossible.

I worry if you make pedophilia a death penalty offense... does an anti-death penalty leaning legal system make it even harder to convict pedophiles?

Anyway.... another thought.... how about segregation like they used to do with leper colonies. IF this was strictly by choice & security was of the highest priority... I think that might be one way to deal with the problem in a humane way.Who cares about being humane to people who rape children?! I am for the DP all the way. I know of a cure for it...it is to put that brain out of commission for good. Either DP or Lobotomy. Or both.

[VTNance]

While I agree with discussing things pertinent to a case to the max, I honestly don't believe that Brooke being abducted, tortured, and murdered has anything to do with if she was active or not. I don't think we need to be going there personally. Since when is a victim's prior sexual behavior part of such a case? We don't even go there when we discuss a hooker being abducted/tortured/murdered.

It has nothing to do with Brooke's kidnap & murder. But it may have something to do with Jacques and his activities. That's how I see it, I surely don't mean any disrespect to Brooke in any way, shape or form, if I bring up such questions.

[InsomniacWoman]

I attributed her self-defensiveness to recriminations she must have been receiving privately, and questions she was being asked by LE.

True, very true!

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe I live in a different world, but language and having 16 or 17 yr olds on their myspace would not make me question if they were sexually active. She was 12 yrs old!!!!The fact of the matter is...Brooke DID NOT meet someone she met on myspace. She thought she was meeting someone that AR set her up with. This does NOT call into question her morality. I personally believe this 12 year old girl was innocent and naive about such things.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, Busy!

[becca]

This is my 2 cents on some of the topics being posted about. Never do we as sleuths and advocates for victims , re victimize them. Alive or not... we do not make them victims over and over again. Once was enough.... plus the families are victims.... even though I don't give the mothers a free pass , they are still family members. This family is far and wide due to divorces and re marriages. The many members of it are now victims right along with Brooke. There are children involved here.... not only Brooke's siblings but Juv1/AR has a sister. Even AR herself is a victim and all the talk about how she is a lost cause is horrible... she is still a child and not a lost cause. Yes she has been damaged beyond belief but we don't throw our children away. We work to save them. She might never have a normal life , but she is worth a shot at it. Every child is. It just takes work. Hopefully the state will see that she gets the help she needs to point her in the right direction.
I guess I'll step off my soap box. I didn't mean to offend anyone, just stick up for the victims, including the family.

[DianeB]

While I agree with discussing things pertinent to a case to the max, I honestly don't believe that Brooke being abducted, tortured, and murdered has anything to do with if she was active or not. I don't think we need to be going there personally. Since when is a victim's prior sexual behavior part of such a case? We don't even go there when we discuss a hooker being abducted/tortured/murdered.What if her uncle had molested her previously? Wouldn't that be germane to the discussion?

[VTNance]

What if her uncle had molested her previously? Wouldn't that be germane to the discussion?

diane B., we are on the same page, no disrespect meant to Brooke or anyone who disagrees, but I think it is pertinent. Not making any kind of moral judgement about Brooke, just trying to get the real picture by asking those questions. ("Just the facts ma'am")

And sadly, there are definitely kids in 7th and 8th grade who are sexually active, esp. those from families who leave them unsupervised/unguided/expose them to things like porn (in ARs house) and even just the crap that is on mainstream TV and movies. it is really sad but true.

[LI_Mom]

Do we know if either of Brooke's myspace pages were private, or were they made private when she went missing?

I don't remember.

The page her father made for her had the password changed so she couldn't even log in to her own site.

Then she made a new page BUT as we know MJ had her password to that account so the public never really knew WHAT her page might have looked like BEFORE she was reported missing.


I think most of the people from that town made their pages private after the news broke so they wouldn't be hounded.

[SeriouslySearching]

It has nothing to do with Brooke's kidnap & murder. But it may have something to do with Jacques and his activities. That's how I see it, I surely don't mean any disrespect to Brooke in any way, shape or form, if I bring up such questions.Respectfully, I would ask that we refrain from branding Brooke in such a way. We have no facts to back it up and it is pure speculation. If she were being abused before she was so viciously murdered, I think we would be hearing it in the charges against these perps.

[Busylady]

All myspaces are automatically private if you list the age as 14. So yes all her pages would of been private.

[VTNance]

Respectfully, I would ask that we refrain from branding Brooke in such a way. We have no facts to back it up and it is pure speculation.

I am not "branding" Brooke in any way, shape, or form. I didn't even say she WAS active I merely asked some questions regarding the e-mails which seemed strange to me and pertinent. But I will stop. I appreciate everyone's concern for Brooke. Good night.

[DianeB]

As I posted earlier, I personally don't think she was sexually active yet.

However, I think LE would be remiss in not pursuing the possibility when creating her profile, if for no other reason than to discount AR's email suggestion that Brooke could be lured by the prospect of meeting up with a "hot guy".

[LI_Mom]

diane B., we are on the same page, no disrespect meant to Brooke or anyone who disagrees, but I think it is pertinent. Not making any kind of moral judgement about Brooke, just trying to get the real picture. ("Just the facts ma'am")

And sadly, there are definitely kids in 7th and 8th grade who are sexually active, esp. those from families who leave them unsupervised/unguided/expose them to things like porn (in ARs house) and even just the crap that is on mainstream TV and movies. it is really sad but true.

But it's ONLY speculation. We don't even know WHAT their final plan was to tell Brooke.

There's NO reason to believe she was sexually active or even beyond the stage of holding hands or maybe playing Spin the Bottle at a boy/girl party.

But if she was sexually active..... why should that make ANY difference in this case?

[becca]

But it's ONLY speculation. We don't even know WHAT their final plan was to tell Brooke.

There's NO reason to believe she was sexually active or even beyond the stage of holding hands or maybe playing Spin the Bottle at a boy/girl party.

But if she was sexually active..... why should that make ANY difference in this case?
It wouldn't. LE knows enough from the autopsy. They don't need us to speculate on this subject.

[LI_Mom]

[quote=LI_Mom;2374277]We don't know whether Cassandra works & what HER schedule was that day. QUOTE]

I just found this news transcript on a TV3 CAX website, (not sure if this has been posted here earlier):

http://tv3.wcax.com/n/sat6p.htm

But in part there is a quote (among many) by Cassandra as saying: "Gagnon: "They have no idea. I could have been right next to her and someone could have grabbed her. I was at work and I knew where my children were. They always talk to me, so if people want to judge me, that's their choice, but to hell with them."

What I'm puzzled about is if Cassandra means she was at work on June 25th.
Then again, she probably was. She also mentions that she never allowed her daughter to visit MJ's house if another adult wasn't present.

As I've said, I'm not sure if the quotes from TV3 CAX website had been posted earlier here, I just found it now, after doing a Google search on Cassandra's name, to see if something came up as to if she worked and where.

Yes, I also always assumed she was at work that day.

It's a Wednesday.... a day when all the adults are at their jobs.


Sadly, the biggest danger to Brooke was AR & nobody knew it.

[SuziQ]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?

[LI_Mom]

It wouldn't. LE knows enough from the autopsy. They don't need us to speculate on this subject.

Exactly.

IMO, Brooke is a TOTALLY innocent victim. And I happen to think she was targeted because she WAS sexually innocent.

MJ was getting bored with an experienced & willing 'partner.'

[LI_Mom]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?

Amen SuziQ.

[becca]

Exactly.

IMO, Brooke is a TOTALLY innocent victim. And I happen to think she was targeted because she WAS sexually innocent.

MJ was getting bored with an experienced & willing 'partner.'
He is the one that really needs talked about .... not Brooke.
You can smear him from Vermont all the way to Fl and I wouldn't care one iota.... the kids are another story.

[CarpeDiem]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?

Thank You Suzi. The betrayal, confusion, pain she must have felt is unmeasurable. It's absolutely heartbreaking when you allow your self to think of her final hours. :(

[Native New Yorker]

often are of course forced into sexual activity...and it would indeed be germane to this case if ( as I posted a few days ago) Brooke had been forced into activity, and then wanted to stop. This could have been a motive for killing her, as she would then know too much, and be dangerous.
I do not view any of this as libelous, it just goes to speculation of how far back her victimization went.

And speaking in general terms, and not about this case....
Yes, it is a scary world in which to raise children. To all parents, I would say, spend time with your children, even if it means financial sacrifice...kids are more important than a nice house or car. Of course, if you are working long hours just to put food on the table, that is very different.
KNOW your children, their friends, their music. Do not just become an outsider to their lives as they become teens. Too many parents back off at this time.Time spent with your children is like money in the bank. That goes for all of us, rich or poor....married or single, when it comes to our children, they are truly our most precious resource.
Off my soapbox now, hope I have not offended anyone...and good night to all.

[LI_Mom]

often are of course forced into sexual activity...and it would indeed be germane to this case if ( as I posted a few days ago) Brooke had been forced into activity, and then wanted to stop. This could have been a motive for killing her, as she would then know too much, and be dangerous.
I do not view any of this as libelous, it just goes to speculation of how far back her victimization went.

And speaking in general terms, and not about this case....
Yes, it is a scary world in which to raise children. To all parents, I would say, spend time with your children, even if it means financial sacrifice...kids are more important than a nice house or car. Of course, if you are working long hours just to put food on the table, that is very different.
KNOW your children, their friends, their music. Do not just become an outsider to their lives as they become teens. Too many parents back off at this time.Time spent with your children is like money in the bank. That goes for all of us, rich or poor....married or single, when it comes to our children, they are truly our most precious resource.
Off my soapbox now, hope I have not offended anyone...and good night to all.

The reason I don't buy the theory is because they spent SO LONG planning this kidnapping.

IF someone is a risk to you... you deal with it IMMEDIATELY, you don't take chances.

No they were leisurely in their planning how to reel her in.... there only concern was making sure people were at work & wouldn't spoil their fun.

[RR0004]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?
To be honest Suzi, I can't imagine anything she experienced that day...the poor sweet thing.

[RR0004]

The reason I don't buy the theory is because they spent SO LONG planning this kidnapping.

IF someone is a risk to you... you deal with it IMMEDIATELY, you don't take chances.

No they were leisurely in their planning how to reel her in.... there only concern was making sure people were at work & wouldn't spoil their fun.
Or perhaps, they were waiting for someone to come?

[RR0004]

While I agree with discussing things pertinent to a case to the max, I honestly don't believe that Brooke being abducted, tortured, and murdered has anything to do with if she was active or not. I don't think we need to be going there personally. Since when is a victim's prior sexual behavior part of such a case? We don't even go there when we discuss a hooker being abducted/tortured/murdered.
I totally agree!

[RR0004]

Thats what is great about our country. WE have the right to decide for ourselves if we want to watch whatever is broadcast or we have the right to read whatever is written. It is like a television station....you can always turn the chanel.
Great point!

[RR0004]

I read the affidavit again and the (take down) went from wednesday back to monday and then changed again to wednesday, I also wandered if the police were at the funeral for the protection of savanna, she was not well liked, and or was viewed as a threat.And I still find it strange that Brooke would leave her cellphone home. But the police could have located it. Makes me wander,just my thoughts.
I know it had been briefly discussed EM that perhaps MJ returned her phone to her house sometime during the day.

[SeriouslySearching]

Is anyone watching Fox news?!

[SeriouslySearching]

Are we reporting that the Gov of VT is now saying that it was a mistake to release MJ before?! Because according to them...it is what HE is saying now. Does that mean it was a mistake to do it...or a mistake was made and is the reason they did it?!

Sorry, was just a replay of Greta without Greta.

[RR0004]

Are we reporting that the Gov of VT is now saying that it was a mistake to release MJ before?! Because according to them...it is what HE is saying now. Does that mean it was a mistake to do it...or a mistake was made and is the reason they did it?!

Sorry, was just a replay of Greta without Greta.
Thanks, SS...I think calling it a mistake is a great understatement. The guy was lucky he wasn't in office at the time. But, good 'ole Howard Dean was!

[SeriouslySearching]

This is my 2 cents on some of the topics being posted about. Never do we as sleuths and advocates for victims , re victimize them. Alive or not... we do not make them victims over and over again. Once was enough.... plus the families are victims.... even though I don't give the mothers a free pass , they are still family members. This family is far and wide due to divorces and re marriages. The many members of it are now victims right along with Brooke. There are children involved here.... not only Brooke's siblings but Juv1/AR has a sister. Even AR herself is a victim and all the talk about how she is a lost cause is horrible... she is still a child and not a lost cause. Yes she has been damaged beyond belief but we don't throw our children away. We work to save them. She might never have a normal life , but she is worth a shot at it. Every child is. It just takes work. Hopefully the state will see that she gets the help she needs to point her in the right direction.
I guess I'll step off my soap box. I didn't mean to offend anyone, just stick up for the victims, including the family.Bravo, Becca! You certainly did not offend me!

[SeriouslySearching]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?I could not agree more with that scenario! Thanks, Suzi!

[SeriouslySearching]

As I posted earlier, I personally don't think she was sexually active yet.

However, I think LE would be remiss in not pursuing the possibility when creating her profile, if for no other reason than to discount AR's email suggestion that Brooke could be lured by the prospect of meeting up with a "hot guy".I don't believe I saw the original post where you stated you didn't, but if you think that "hot guy" means sex...you don't know the lingo. We are not interested in any past experience she has had unless LE determines it could be important which I don't think so. If they determine she was molested, I don't consider that her being "active" in any terms. Now, can we put this to rest?!

[Fairy1]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?

Yes ma'am! Totally, totally, totally agree. Thank you!

[SeriouslySearching]

Seriously you guys, all Brooke wanted was to meet a guy she thought was in to her. That's all. He was unfortunately for her, completely made up by MJ and AR. Give the girl a break. She had no clue what was coming at her. Doesn't anyone remember when they were 12? Can you imagine Brooke's broken heart when she realized it was all a lie and she had been betrayed by people close to her?It is what breaks my heart over and over. Before anything physical happened to Brooke, this is what breaks my heart. She trusted people that betrayed her so badly.

If I could put them all in a category to be punished for the brutality of that, I would.

[marly56]

hot guy =sexy appearance

[SeriouslySearching]

hot guy =sexy appearanceThanks, Marly! Means he is a cute boy. I believe she only saw his photo. (which was fake) To her..was a cute boy.

And I sadly remembered that her cousin also pretended that it was a cute boy interested in her for her birthday.

I must say...it makes me angry at AR even more even though I know she is a victim. She is certainly part of this. When DO we draw the line of victim and perp?

[marly56]

does anyone suspect that the adult emails on brookes site [that caused her father to shut down the site] where mj posing as someone else?

[SeriouslySearching]

does anyone suspect that the adult emails on brookes site [that caused her father to shut down the site] where mj posing as someone else?The timing is right and yes..I have wondered about that. It wouldn't surprise me. There was something that Jim took his stand on.

[marly56]

from what ive read ,brooke was an all around wholesome girl ,she laughed alot, made friends easily, innocent girl verses creepo pedophile. if brooke had survived she could have been the one in the family to break the victim cycle.

[SeriouslySearching]

from what ive read ,brooke was an all around wholesome girl ,she laughed alot, made friends easily, innocent girl verses creepo pedophile. if brooke had survived she could have been the one in the family to break the victim cycle.Thanks for saying it! I think you are so right. She was the one.

Sadly, the reason she was targeted.

[VTGirl81]

As a Vermonter who was a teenager not too terribly long ago, I take going to party to mean get drunk and/or hang out with friends.

I agree and I'm a small town Vermont girl who was a teenager less than ten years ago.

[SeriouslySearching]

When you stop to think about what really happened here...it is devastating. Her cousin lured her into a death trap which included this sexual deviation from their uncle...both of them trusted him...while uncle talked her cousin into helping trap her with five years of abuse to control her. They killed her after brutally abusing her. How do we deal with it?! I am angry, hurt, then comes emotions I don't know about...mostly how I would like to string him up myself...but know I can't. I can't even imagine how her father must feel. The sorrow and anger that must be inside of him. I applaud him for being there now. I would be so angry...that perp might not be seeing his justice yet again. That POS doesn't deserve a trial...again.

[Busylady]

In reading the emails again, it broke my heart. On one hand we have this 14 yr old girl talking "dirty" and seems so angry, then she says Keep my dad, me and my family safe please.

In my opinion, AR was convinced if she didnt please the Breckenridge group harm would come to her family. For 5 years MJ basically controlled every thought this young girl had by using fear I think. What a horrible thing for her to feel like the safety of her family was all on her shoulders. MJ could of convinced her Brooke was a danger, heck he could of told her that he knew Brooke had told someone about the secret Breckenridge group and the group was blaming her for letting Brooke find out and they were not happy with her, just like he told her that her mom was talking about divorce etc. So she had to fix the "problem" so Breckenridge would be happy with her and her dad, mom, and sister would be safe.

I am sure by now she has been told that the Breckenridge group was all a lie, she may not believe it yet. I pray that she gets the intense counseling she needs, and can begin to heal.

[becca]

SS you asked where is the line from victim to perp.... for me it will take alot more than what we know now. She was an abused child for years... she was brainwashed ... but she is a child.... so for now she is still a victim.... one that needs compassion not judgment,therapy not insults, a new town to live in, not be reminded every time she goes to a store 5 yrs from now what happened to her cousin...because of her.... when in reality it is because of her evil step father. The RSO that her mother married and brought home.

[marly56]

after reading how violent mj was in the attack of the 18 yr old victim, i shudder to think of abuse ar was subject to. she probably developed some sort of alter-persona in order to survive in such close quarters with that creep....i cant even imagine at a young age living day to day with truama and fear and being stuck there with no one to help stop it.

[ShinaLite]

after reading how violent mj was in the attack of the 18 yr old victim, i shudder to think of abuse ar was subject to. she probably developed some sort of alter-persona in order to survive in such close quarters with that creep....i cant even imagine at a young age living day to day with truama and fear and being stuck there with no one to help stop it.
I can imagine hearing he was released after 4 years didn't help with that trauma for that first victim....
thinking in her mind "she told"
and he was there out on the streets possibily coming to take revenge...
I know as a victim of a violent crime and getting that call the person has been released is devestating on ones life...I can almost guarentee she knew he was out there free....and honestly, the fear never ends....
you may heal, it is possible....but you don't forget and you never stop feeling afraid...IMO
Ican't imagine what it's like to actually have to live day to day with them..that's a whole other ballgame..AR SURVIVED....She lived in surivor mode for the last few years.....she's a kid too...who functioned in the best possible way she knew how and maybe it kept her alive....

[SeriouslySearching]

SS you asked where is the line from victim to perp.... for me it will take alot more than what we know now. She was an abused child for years... she was brainwashed ... but she is a child.... so for now she is still a victim.... one that needs compassion not judgment,therapy not insults, a new town to live in, not be reminded every time she goes to a store 5 yrs from now what happened to her cousin...because of her.... when in reality it is because of her evil step father. The RSO that her mother married and brought home.Yes, Becca...but you left out...she led another to literal slaughter. How do you rectify that with a victim? I want so much to feel for her. I know we have to. This is a difficult hurdle for so many, including me. She is an innocent victim to begin with and she grows into HIM. We have to take it into consideration that she is not the person she was born into...at 14 years old...she is not a person anymore that we would know after she had been molded from 9 years old under his jurisdiction. She is like him. We have to divide our emotions. It is difficult.

[becca]

after reading how violent mj was in the attack of the 18 yr old victim, i shudder to think of abuse ar was subject to. she probably developed some sort of alter-persona in order to survive in such close quarters with that creep....i cant even imagine at a young age living day to day with truama and fear and being stuck there with no one to help stop it.
My gut reaction is to curl up in a corner somewhere and cry... then I get angry at the RSO and the state that turned him out to do this. Then I get sad for Brooke all over again... then I get angry again.... until he is put on deathrow I think those are my two reactions saddness and anger.
I also have a little hope thrown in there for AR to get all the help she needs to adjust to reality. This child has been through some awful things in 5 yrs. Would any of us have been able to deal with that? Just think about that... anytime we start to throw blame in her direction we need to put ourselves in her shoes. She didn't start this fire, she was used as the fuel for it. The fire was started by the RSO years ago... he took down alot of people in his path.... not jjust Brooke or AR but other family members and even a whole town.

[becca]

Yes, Becca...but you left out..she led another to literal slaughter. How do you rectify that with a victim? I want so much to feel for her. I know we have to. This is a difficult hurdle for so many, including me. She is an innocent victim to begin with and she grows into HIM. We have to take it into consideration that she is not the person she was born into...at 14 years old...she is not a person anymore that we would know after she had been molded from 9 years old under his jurisdiction. She is like him. We have to divide our emotions. It is difficult.
We don't know alot of the facts right now. We don't know exactly when her persona changed or if it ever did. All we know is from a couple of emails... she could have typed gibberish and some would still throw blame... we can't step into that blame game if we do then we are no better than the tabloids.... we need understanding first so that we have more information on what kind of mind control MJ used ... we know alot of it was the safety of her family. I know people that would kill if their families were threatened. This is the only way of life she has known for 5 yrs... do we know if she was a happy kid before? have we got any info on that part of her life...Before the RSO? See what I mean about not having all the facts? In order to come to a conclusion we need to know more.
In order to fully understand a crime we must be able to put ourselves in each person involved shoes... that way we see what they see.

[ShinaLite]

i would bet AR herself started feeling like a bad person the first time step dad touched her....from that moment on she lost all self worth...
She probably felt guilty from day one because the truth is thats what kids feel when they are molested....they shouldn't...we know this as adults but they do...they feel dirty, ashamed and somehow at fault...
I believe she can heal...I dont think she would be a danger to anyone but herself if she doesnt get help....
But with help i think she can heal and be whole...at what age do we stop giving hope to kids? She's a kid who has a whole other 4/5 ths if not more of life to live....
but who is going to see to it she gets that help? I dont think she should be criminally charged but god somehow there had to be a way that it is made sure she gets help....we definitley are trying to move forward to make sure that RSO never see the light of day but there should also be somekind of movement that mandates that victims get the intensive help they need too....cause you wonder are these parents ( like the mom's in this case) really going to make sure that happens?

Not all but alot of the kids we cry for today will be the people we want to see burned at the stake tomorrow...we cant just put a bandaid on this cancer...we need to treat the disease from all angles...imo

[SeriouslySearching]

I cry for Brooke and what everyone lost. I cry for AR and the innocence she lost. However, I am having a hard time forgiving AR. I think that every day that I hear more or that I see she could have changed things...I grow more towards that line of victim/perp. It is a line that is so blurred that we don't know when it is actually crossed...but this case is different...it was like a lamb led to slaughter for me. She had so many opportunities to say, "NO!"...but transcribing all the emails earlier...told me she was more than involved...she wanted this and demanded this to happen to Brooke.

[becca]

i would bet AR herself started feeling like a bad person the first time step dad touched her....from that moment on she lost all self worth...
She probably felt guilty from day one because the truth is thats what kids feel when they are molested....they shouldn't...we know this as adults but they do...they feel dirty, ashamed and somehow at fault...
I believe she can heal...I dont think she would be a danger to anyone but herself if she doesnt get help....
But with help i think she can heal and be whole...at what age do we stop giving hope to kids? She's a kid who has a whole other 4/5 ths if not more of life to live....
but who is going to see to it she gets that help? I dont think she should be criminally charged but god somehow there had to be a way that it is made sure she gets help....we definitley are trying to move forward to make sure that RSO never see the light of day but there should also be somekind of movement that mandates that victims get the intensive help they need....
Not all but alot of the kids we cry for today will be the people we want to see burned at the stake tomorrow...we cant just put a bandaid on this cancer...we need to treat the disease from all angles...imo

You are so right. We do need to better take care of the victims. We now OFFER some therapy... no make it a Mandatory thing....
This child deserves so much better than she got ... Brooke deserved better.... Savanna deserves better... they all do... one wrong person in a family took so many ....

[becca]

I cry for Brooke and what everyone lost. I cry for AR and the innocence she lost. However, I am having a hard time forgiving AR. I think that every day that I hear more or that I see she could have changed things...I grow more towards that line of victim/perp. It is a line that is so blurred that we don't know when it is actually crossed...but this case is different...it was like a lamb led to slaughter for me. She had so many opportunities to say, "NO!"...but transcribing all the emails earlier...told me she was more than involved...she wanted this and demanded this to happen to Brooke.
What kind of junk was the RSO feeding her about Brooke. Did he make Brooke out to be the one person that could ruin her family. Would Brooke be the one that would take the one thing she still had away? Who knows what kind of trash he was regurgitating to her. He is the vile evil one in this... she is a child that was manipulated into thinking one way and one way only For the good of her family .
We know that SOs are not hardwired right. we don't know if she is , we know nothing about her first 9 yrs... so we can't just throw her under the bus and say she's just as evil... we don't have enough information. We know what LE put out there to get the RSO and the other perp in jail. There is alot missing.

[ShinaLite]

I cry for Brooke and what everyone lost. I cry for AR and the innocence she lost. However, I am having a hard time forgiving AR. I think that every day that I hear more or that I see she could have changed things...I grow more towards that line of victim/perp. It is a line that is so blurred that we don't know when it is actually crossed...but this case is different...it was like a lamb led to slaughter for me. She had so many opportunities to say, "NO!"...but transcribing all the emails earlier...told me she was more than involved...she wanted this and demanded this to happen to Brooke.


I really respect your opinion but I have to take note with the part where you say she had so many opprotunities to say NO...
You are speaking and thinking from a totally different place than I think AR was in..Your speaking and thinking as a knowledgable and heathly adult..I dont think she felt she could say NO..MJ made sure of that..
My god she's 14!! A kid who's world of trust is the adults around her...
I know around 14 i started testing my parents but dang I was still scared of coming home with my report card..I cant imagine how it would have been with threats of my mother or sister being murdered...can you only imagine??
How can you say no....I dont believe alot of her emails in the affidavit...about being excited about the farming and how she loved getting f** She was saying what she knew this imaginary group wanted to hear...while probably all the while wanting to graduate so she could get out...i read them and totally see the bs....i totally feel a girl saying what she knows she needs to say to survive and make them happy imo

[becca]

i hate to leave a good discussion but baby is back to sleep now and that is where i'm going while I can... I know this is off topic and I'll read the answers later but babies are work... this one is a cranky baby. I can't find alot that this one likes... from his clothes to his formula... 2 months old and he's already acting like a full grown man...

[SeriouslySearching]

I recognize what you are saying, but in what she told them...I don't see it at all. She was all for this abduction/torture/murder of her own cousin. She had NO remorse at all that showed in any part of what she wrote. She knew what was going to happen. This is hard for me to excuse as severe abuse now. She had no remorse, no guilt, nothing that would say that she related to Brooke other than she hated her. This is so troubling to me even after abuse.

[ShinaLite]

I recognize what you are saying, but in what she told them...I don't see it at all. She was all for this abduction/torture/murder of her own cousin. She had NO remorse at all that showed in any part of what she wrote. She knew what was going to happen. This is hard for me to excuse as severe abuse now. She had no remorse, no guilt, nothing that would say that she related to Brooke other than she hated her. This is so troubling to me even after abuse.

i understand that ...its troubling to me too...but i wonder what she really knew and really felt deep inside...I dont think the answers to that are really in those emails...I definitely feel this girl needs intensive help...I hope she doesn't fall to the side lines....

[Busylady]

I understand what you are saying, but you have to remember we do not have all the emails. What did MJ tell AR about Brooke that made AR so angry at Brooke. Did he tell her she had to fix this problem or they were going to kill her mom, dad, and sister? The one email that throws in that the Breckenridge group is not happy with her right now. What where they unhappy about, what were the reprecussion if they remained unhappy with her? What did she have to do to make them happy with her? There are alot of missing pieces.

I recognize what you are saying, but in what she told them...I don't see it at all. She was all for this abduction/torture/murder of her own cousin. She had NO remorse at all that showed in any part of what she wrote. She knew what was going to happen. This is hard for me to excuse as severe abuse now. She had no remorse, no guilt, nothing that would say that she related to Brooke other than she hated her. This is so troubling to me even after abuse.

[Starr58]

Lets remember that abuse of any kind is typically generational.

The chances of AR or any other child in this "family" recovering from MJ"s influence and affects of the sexual abuse is dependent on the adults ability and desire to face their own past abuse.

The family from the beginning requested that LE not speak about the "family dynamics" which indicates to me that the family is committed to keeping the "secret of sexual abuse" a secret. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep!!

No family member has spoken out in defense of these children. Not a one!!! IF the adults were willing to acknowledge their own parts in the victimization of these children then I then might have some hope for the children. It doesn't look to me like that has happened, is happening or will happen.

Sadly I don't believe the cycle will be broken in this family therefore Brooke is now in a much better place than if this had not occured. JMO

[ShinaLite]

Lets remember that abuse of any kind is typically generational.

The chances of AR or any other child in this "family" recovering from MJ"s influence and affects of the sexual abuse is dependent on the adults ability and desire to face their own past abuse.

The family from the beginning requested that LE not speak about the "family dynamics" which indicates to me that the family is committed to keeping the "secret of sexual abuse" a secret. We are only as sick as the secrets we keep!!

No family member has spoken out in defense of these children. Not a one!!! IF the adults were willing to acknowledge their own parts in the victimization of these children then I then might have some hope for the children. It doesn't look to me like that has happened, is happening or will happen.

Sadly I don't believe the cycle will be broken in this family therefore Brooke is now in a much better place than if this had not occured. JMO

great post and something i was alluding to in one of mine...if those parents arent going to step up where is it as we as a society can???....

it takes a villiage...right??

and if we truly want to see these cycles end shouldnt we hit it from all sides?

mandatory treatment for victims as well..

[IMBY]

I've read every thread on this forum related to this case.

LOTS of rampant speculation.

LOTS of presumptions of guilt... and presumptions of innocence.

Often, human beings are pretty selective in what they choose to believe-- or choose NOT to believe, or to even consider as possibilities-- regardless of the evidence. Especially in cases such as these, where there may be a personal, visceral, repugnance involved.

It would seem to me that first and foremost, a "sleuth" must maintain objectivity and consider everything.

Naturally, forming hypotheses* and following leads is what solves cases... however, forming preconceived notions of the behaviors of any of those involved does not lead to answers. Or justice.

Of course, the actual merit of voicing those hypotheses on a public forum is probably debatable. I wouldn't mind seeing a separate thread for that.


* hypothesis- n. :a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation

[marly56]

I cry for Brooke and what everyone lost. I cry for AR and the innocence she lost. However, I am having a hard time forgiving AR. I think that every day that I hear more or that I see she could have changed things...I grow more towards that line of victim/perp. It is a line that is so blurred that we don't know when it is actually crossed...but this case is different...it was like a lamb led to slaughter for me. She had so many opportunities to say, "NO!"...but transcribing all the emails earlier...told me she was more than involved...she wanted this and demanded this to happen to Brooke.
i agree she had the choice to say no. but i recall that mj told her that breckenridge was mad at her..WHO KNOWS what pain she would face when she did not give total compliance. the 18 year old victim that he brutalized stated that mj told her during the rape and abduction that he had murdered a 12 year old girl . and then theres his threat of slitting a girls throat. ar must have been terrified of him on a very deep deep level and she went along to get along.

[marly56]

When you stop to think about what really happened here...it is devastating. Her cousin lured her into a death trap which included this sexual deviation from their uncle...both of them trusted him...while uncle talked her cousin into helping trap her with five years of abuse to control her. They killed her after brutally abusing her. How do we deal with it?! I am angry, hurt, then comes emotions I don't know about...mostly how I would like to string him up myself...but know I can't. I can't even imagine how her father must feel. The sorrow and anger that must be inside of him. I applaud him for being there now. I would be so angry...that perp might not be seeing his justice yet again. That POS doesn't deserve a trial...again.
i understand the reality of what you are bringing forth. this case is so tragic.

[Elley Mae]

I found it odd that AR apparently had to beg to be in the (summer farming program) if that is correct. As stated in the Emails. Evidently (they) were mad at her for something.

[Elley Mae]

I can only hope that when he is in prison that he is not in a situation like Manson (protective custody) and that he is made to suffer at the hands of other inmates. It still amazes me when you the pictures of these pedos its like the writing is on the wall. I have seen people in public that Have that look and they give me the willys.

[believe09]

We need to step back a little on some of the known facts here:
We do not have a COD or TOD if I haven't missed something huge. The assumption that Brookes was lured to her death by her cousin, that her uncle actually did the killing and that she was tortured sexually first is just an assumption at this point....

[marly56]

brookes father did time in iraq so im sure if mj did do it,the police and corrections officers will view the father with respect and ''take care'' of the situation.

[texas48]

But ....

Castration, my arse!
How bout a beheading?!
Beheading would be good too.That is a great thought!

[texas48]

Castration is ineffective because there is a world of things a pedophile can still do to harm his victim including assault with objects.

This is another thing that sounds good on the surface, but really isn't.

Chemical castration is more effective, but only if they take the medicine.
I like the Louisiana law on sex crimes. CASTRATION. And you are correct that a pedophile can continue to do great deal of harm but did I forget to mention that in Louisiana along with castration is a very long prision term. La. takes these types of crimes very seriouly.

[becca]

We need to step back a little on some of the known facts here:
We do not have a COD or TOD if I haven't missed something huge. The assumption that Brookes was lured to her death by her cousin, that her uncle actually did the killing and that she was tortured sexually first is just an assumption at this point....
This is true, we know very little for a fact. Brooke is dead, We don't know any details other than the Feds have the uncle on kidnapping charges. The leap was made to HE MURDERED her. WE don't know that and if the FEDS knew it they would have brought those charges by now. or They might know it and can't yet prove it.

[evelyn24]

This is true, we know very little for a fact. Brooke is dead, We don't know any details other than the Feds have the uncle on kidnapping charges. The leap was made to HE MURDERED her. WE don't know that and if the FEDS knew it they would have brought those charges by now. or They might know it and can't yet prove it.
We know she was a victim of homicide, that info was released to the media last week.
This is what we do here...speculate with known facts at hand, and I think it's pretty safe to speculate HE killed her.

[ZOOL]

I am going to come in here and say that there is a line between natural curiosity and morbid curiosity....I have no appetite for the continued presentation of details in this case that have nothing other than salaciousness to recommend them-the names of half siblings and the names and locations of other possible sexual assault victims come to mind. We have been comfortable in the past not only on these threads but on others with using initials. We have always masked or chosen to send by PM myspace pages etc...I realize that I am beating a dead horse, and I will let it go. Let's continue to theorize and toss ideas back and forth...let's go find the safe, lol. Let us channel our energy into finding a way to keep safe the remaining children who are still at the mercy of the adults involved in this monstrocity....just a thought.

I am facinated by the reports from those who are in the community regarding family dynamics, as well as the posts that give me a feel for the location and distances...so please do not stop giving us the scoop!!!

Peace to all....

Medea,

...let's go find the safe, lol.

Now that's a great idea. I say, If CG called KG at 4:30 am ET (or appx 2:30-3:00 am Antonio time [right?]), what does Mrs. KG say? Is there a Mrs.?

Wouldn't a Mrs. take note of a peculiar KG walking out early in the morning with a safe in his arms?