Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #20

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around BROOKE'S FORUM (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=163)there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872)and also to read THIS STICKY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67094) before participating. TIA.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.

Welcome all newbies!!!!!!!!!!!! :blowkiss: I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

[Tom'sGirl]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here.
TY christine!

[philamena]

Great, :banghead: I just lost a longgg post. lol
Again, AR has been a victim, of sexual abuse since the age of 8.
It is against the TOS to bash her and I am not afraid to hit the alert button. :blush:

How dare people HERE question if Brooke was sexually active.
Wt is wrong with people? She was only12 years old.

Do gossip mongers have a son or daughter 12 years old?? Think about it.:mad:
I find this infuriating.

My comments are regarding post made yesterday.

[Tom'sGirl]

There is something off with the entire mugshot thing. The only thing I can figure is that the Feds do not want someone(s) to see his face and tip them off. If RG was involved someway in a larger operation, he may not have used his real name...but people might recognize his face, react and get rid of their computers, drives, etc.

Something is way off, hopefully we will learn the "why" soon!

[Hailiejade77]

And it was on July 12th MJ was convicted, two years prior to Brookes birth
Conviction Information

Sexual Offense Conviction(s) Date of Conviction 07-12-1993

* AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT
* KIDNAPPING



OMG,.. I didn't even realize that two years before her birthday he was convicted!

[Tom'sGirl]

And it was on July 12th MJ was convicted, two years prior to Brookes birth
Conviction Information

Sexual Offense Conviction(s) Date of Conviction 07-12-1993

* AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT
* KIDNAPPING



OMG,.. I didn't even realize that two years before her birthday he was convicted!
Yes, I guess I could have not mentioned that, but it was listed on his Vermont Registry records that no longer are there!

Here is what WAS there:
http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393 (http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393)

VERMONT SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY
INFORMATION

State of Vermont | Vermont Department of Public Safety | Division of Criminal Justice Services
Registry Detail

(http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/images/X000005393.jpeg (http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/images/X000005393.jpeg))

Registrant Information

Name: JACQUES,MICHAEL STEPHEN
Date of Birth: 03-18-1966
City: RANDOLPH CENTER
Sex: M
Race: W
Height: 5 feet 08 inches
Weight: 150 lbs
Eye Color: BLU
Hair Color: BRO

Treatment Status: COMPLIANT
Wanted: NO

Reason For Internet Posting
Conviction For Aggravated Sexual Assault

Department Of Corrections
Supervising Office & Phone#
No longer supervised for sexual crime

Conviction Information
Sexual Offense Conviction(s) Date of Conviction
AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT 07-12-1993
KIDNAPPING 07-12-1993

Vermont Sex Offender Registry Home Page
Department of Public Safety Home | State of Vermont Home Page | Email Webmaster
Copyright 2004 The Vermont Department of Public Safety - All rights reserved -
Database as of: Jun 28 2008 at 01:00 am

[LaLaw2000]

It being Brooke's 13th birthday, I am so sorry she is not here to enjoy it. It is so sad.
Brooke was such an innocent victim.

Hailiejade, I hope it is next July 12 when MJ is convicted and sent to death row.

[philamena]

Has LE, a reporter, a local, a relative, anyone explained why no recent pictures of MG are available? What about his mug shot? I can't find a picture of him anywhere.

[Hailiejade77]

It being Brooke's 13th birthday, I am so sorry she is not here to enjoy it. It is so sad.
Brooke was such an innocent victim.

Hailiejade, I hope it is next July 12 when MJ is convicted and sent to death row.

And then maybe another July 12th he will be PUT TO DEATH!:woohoo:

[LaLaw2000]

Has LE, a reporter, a local, a relative, anyone explained why no recent pictures of MG are available? What about his mug shot? I can't find a picture of him anywhere.

You mean RG?

I posted about RG before the new thread was started. I don't think I was supposed to - those posts should have been on the RG thread, I think.

Too many different threads! I did not mean to post where I may not should have!

[LaLaw2000]

And then maybe another July 12th he will be PUT TO DEATH!:woohoo:

That would be great, IMO! And I am not usually even for the death penalty!

[LaLaw2000]

[QUOTE=Tom'sGirl;2375298]Yes, I guess I could have not mentioned that, but it was listed on his Vermont Registry records that no longer are there!

Here is what WAS there:
[FONT=verdana][FONT=verdana]http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393 (http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393)

VERMONT SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY
INFORMATION

State of Vermont | Vermont Department of Public Safety | Division of Criminal Justice Services
Registry Detail

(http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/images/X000005393.jpeg (http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/images/X000005393.jpeg))

Registrant Information

Name: JACQUES,MICHAEL STEPHEN
Date of Birth: 03-18-1966
City: RANDOLPH CENTER
Sex: M
Race: W
Height: 5 feet 08 inches
Weight: 150 lbs
Eye Color: BLU
Hair Color: BRO

Treatment Status: COMPLIANT
Wanted: NO

Reason For Internet Posting
Conviction For Aggravated Sexual Assault

Department Of Corrections
Supervising Office & Phone#
No longer supervised for sexual crime

Conviction Information
Sexual Offense Conviction(s) Date of Conviction
AGGRAVATED SEXUAL ASSAULT 07-12-1993
[FONT=verdana]KIDNAPPING 07-12-1993

Vermont Sex Offender Registry Home Page
Department of Public Safety Home | State of Vermont Home Page | Email Webmaster
Copyright 2004 The Vermont Department of Public Safety - All rights reserved -
Database as of: Jun 28 2008 at 01:00 am

Thanks, Tom'sGirl, for posting that. I had 'saved' that also, only to go back and see that it was gone.
Talk about travesty of justice! That POS was out walking free to be able to do even worse!

[SeriouslySearching]

It is hard to think that today is Brooke's Birthday. :(

[philamena]

You mean RG?

I posted about RG before the new thread was started. I don't think I was supposed to - those posts should have been on the RG thread, I think.

Too many different threads! I did not mean to post where I may not should have!

Now honey you did just fine.
:blowkiss:
I'm trying to play catch up from yesterday.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote=LaLaw2000;2375316 Thanks, Tom'sGirl, for posting that. I had 'saved' that also, only to go back and see that it was gone.
Talk about travesty of justice! That POS was out walking free to be able to do even worse!
[/QUOTE]I have put the info. into the MJ thread also.

[SeriouslySearching]

Something is way off, hopefully we will learn the "why" soon!Yes, it is way off. It reminds me of the Stacy Peterson case and LE hiding Tom...but the difference is that we know Tom is a state's witness. Are they going to let Ray Gagnon walk on this if he gives them the information that will put MJ up to face the DP?!

[philamena]

SNIP

Here is what WAS there:
[font=verdana][font=verdana][FONT=verdana]http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393 (http://170.222.137.2:8080/sor/servlet/SOR?id=X000005393)


I wonder if we will ever know how many innocent lives he's ruined! What a creep.
IMO The state of Vermont made a huge mistake when it freed this predator.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if we will ever know how many innocent lives he's ruined! What a creep.
IMO The state of Vermont made a huge mistake when it freed this predator.Very true, Philamena. (I like your siggy!)

[philamena]

Yes, it is way off. It reminds me of the Peterson case and LE hiding Tom...but the difference is that we know Tom is a state's witness. Are they going to let Ray Gagnon walk on this if he gives them the information that will put MJ up to face the DP?!


Let's hope not.
Imo, RG is in this up to his eyeballs.
He knew what the creep was going to do to Brooke...he's an accessary after the fact if not someone who allowed a 12 year old to be murdered.

[philamena]

Very true, Philamena. (I like your siggy!)


Glad you like it SeriouslySearching. :blowkiss:

[LaLaw2000]

Now honey you did just fine.
:blowkiss:
I'm trying to play catch up from yesterday.

Ty!

:)

[SeriouslySearching]

Great, :banghead: I just lost a longgg post. lol
Again, AR has been a victim, of sexual abuse since the age of 8.
It is against the TOS to bash her and I am not afraid to hit the alert button. :blush:

How dare people HERE question if Brooke was sexually active.
Wt is wrong with people? She was only12 years old.

Do gossip mongers have a son or daughter 12 years old?? Think about it.:mad:
I find this infuriating.

My comments are regarding post made yesterday.I am guilty of doing that last night. I was just so angry at the whole situation. I know that AR is a victim and I know that she was once an innocent little girl just like Brooke. I know I am really just angry with MJ and RG. They are the reason these girls are where they are today. The day cannot come soon enough when they inject MJ and we finally see some justice for both girls. I guess we will have to be satisfied with RG rotting in jail. (Wonder if he will get longer than four years?!)

[LaLaw2000]

Yes, it is way off. It reminds me of the Peterson case and LE hiding Tom...but the difference is that we know Tom is a state's witness. Are they going to let Ray Gagnon walk on this if he gives them the information that will put MJ up to face the DP?!

That had better not happen! I do not think so, SS!

RG has, by his own admission downloaded thousands of CP images, and had a collection of Russian CP also of some children being as young as 5 years old!
THEN LE and FBI found where he had taken CP to his house in Alabama from Texas before going on to Vermont.

Maybe Gagnon has agreed to showing the FBI some of those sites where he had downloaded CP, tho. IMO, there is too much he HAS done for LE or FBI to let him walk! A reduced sentence, maybe. IMO only.

(is it okay to post this on this thread?)

[LaLaw2000]

I am going over to read all of the threads to get caught up.

[Hailiejade77]

Yes, it is way off. It reminds me of the Peterson case and LE hiding Tom...but the difference is that we know Tom is a state's witness. Are they going to let Ray Gagnon walk on this if he gives them the information that will put MJ up to face the DP?!

Who was Tom???

[Tom'sGirl]

Who was Tom???
Tom Morphey, Drew Peterson's step brother...........another case, not this one!

[Hailiejade77]

Tom Morphey, Drew Peterson's step brother...........another case, not this one!

Oh I thought you were talking about Scott Peterson case,.. ha ha ,. I knew everything on the subject and was like oh who the heck is Tom.

was he the guy that helped him transport the blue container?

[dark_shadows]

I said this before when it was brought up that Jacques was no longer on the registry site for Vermont.

Jacques sex offender info from the registry is not listed any longer because he is not in the community.
He is is custody. therefore, his info on the registry is no longer provided to the public.
The registry is for offenders living in the public, not incarcerated ones.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[LaLaw2000]

I said this before when it was brought up that Jacques was no longer on the registry site for Vermont.

Jacques sex offender info from the registry is not listed any longer because he is not in the community.
He is is custody. therefore, his info on the registry is no longer provided to the public.
The registry is for offenders living in the public, not incarcerated ones.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Hello, dark_shadows!
I have appreciated the information in your posts as you have an inside track, so to speak!

Is there any way you can ask someone if RG's present booking photo comes up looking anything like the pics posted and the pic that was in the newspaper today?

Thanks so much!!!

[Tom'sGirl]

I said this before when it was brought up that Jacques was no longer on the registry site for Vermont.

Jacques sex offender info from the registry is not listed any longer because he is not in the community.
He is is custody. therefore, his info on the registry is no longer provided to the public.
The registry is for offenders living in the public, not incarcerated ones.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows
You sure did d_s, and it was appreciated when you did as so many of us wondered why it was gone. Most States don't remove them, so you cleared that up for us............thank you!

[dark_shadows]

Hello, dark_shadows!
I have appreciated the information in your posts as you have an inside track, so to speak!

Is there any way you can ask someone if RG's present booking photo comes up looking anything like the pics posted and the pic that was in the newspaper today?

Thanks so much!!!
Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
It is nice to hear from you and I appreciate your posts very much.
I have asked for the photo days ago and I am still in the process of providing the booking photo for you.
The photo from my newspaper today and the other days are old photos.
Gagnon has been transferred a few times since his incarceration here in Vermont. He is in Chittenden right now, I posted that a few days ago.
He is being held in protective custody. He will remain there until thursday morning. The booking photo would not be from that facility. He had already been booked prior to his arrival there.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[DeltaDawn]

It being Brooke's 13th birthday, I am so sorry she is not here to enjoy it. It is so sad.
Brooke was such an innocent victim.

Hailiejade, I hope it is next July 12 when MJ is convicted and sent to death row.

Still catching up..watching even though logged in..doing other things in between.

But I had to respond to this post...I understand the number 12 being included, as I think in MJ's mind 12 was still innocent and 13 marked the birth of a teen. In porn circles up to 12 is considered kiddie porn..after that is teen porn..which I think fed into the summer program of AR.. graduating to just having sex with teens she dated and the farmers ( migrant workers) other then her Dad, family or whoever was a teen.

I think AR thought Brooke was taking her place in the program and she (AR) was moving up a level. This is borne out by one article or brief that read they are being held also on prostitution charges. So maybe they had already started to hook AR up with men that paid them money..what else
could her grooming be used for ..if MJ 's fixation was on the 8-12 year old.

[dark_shadows]

You sure did d_s, and it was appreciated when you did as so many of us wondered why it was gone. Most States don't remove them, so you cleared that up for us............thank you!
My very dear sweet TomsGirl,:blowkiss:
I have said this to you before, and I will say it again.....




I am so very proud of you and the work that you do. You have spent countless hours keeping everyone here informed. I am so very grateful my friend.

You greeted me when I first registered here.:)

You mean so much to me and others. Again, I am so very proud of you.

So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[Starr58]

First I would Like to invite other WS's to post their ideas for our lawmakers and Governor Douglas to consider. This can be done in the "Demand Change In Vermont Law" Forum.

1. Include all offenders on the Sex Offender Registry not just those in the Community and include release dates from both probation and incarceration. Sex Offenders need to be "registered" For LIFE.

2.Address of Sex offender. It isn't enough to know who they are. In order to protect children the public needs to know where they are !!!

3. Make the Registry more user friendly. Change from it being searchable by county to be searchable by last name & first name. Similiar to the inmate Locator database.

4. Sex Offender Registry should be a part of the Department of Corrections website. Put all names into one database. Inmates and Sex Offenders.

5. Update Registry Information monthly. This can be accomplished through the information that is gathered from the DOC staffs' monthly contact with offender. Date of contact recorded in registry.

6. Any child related offense- second offense- Can be held without bail.

7. Public notification of release on websites, in newspapers, TV. and Radio.


Those are what I have of the top of my head for improvements and would appreciate others thoughts.


dark shadows...what is our current Vermont Statues for Sexual Assault on a Child, Aggravated Sexual on a Child or any others that should be looked at.

PLease, Please..post responses in the Demand Change In Vermont Law" Forum

[LaLaw2000]

Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
It is nice to hear from you and I appreciate your posts very much.
I have asked for the photo days ago and I am still in the process of providing the booking photo for you.
The photo from my newspaper today and the other days are old photos.
Gagnon has been transferred a few times since his incarceration here in Vermont. He is in Chittenden right now, I posted that a few days ago.
He is being held in protective custody. He will remain there until thursday morning. The booking photo would not be from that facility. He had already been booked prior to his arrival there.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


:blowkiss:

Thank you so very much, dark_shadows!
I deleted my post finally because I was not wanting to ask you to do something you may not feel was right for me to ask you! (convoluted sentence!)

Thanks so much!

[Elley Mae]

I was wandering if RG has retained council and stopped talking or is still talking.

[LaLaw2000]

Still catching up..watching even though logged in..doing other things in between.

But I had to respond to this post...I understand the number 12 being included, as I think in MJ's mind 12 was still innocent and 13 marked the birth of a teen. In porn circles up to 12 is considered kiddie porn..after that is teen porn..which I think fed into the summer program of AR.. graduating to just having sex with teens she dated and the farmers ( migrant workers) other then her Dad, family or whoever was a teen.

I think AR thought Brooke was taking her place in the program and she (AR) was moving up a level. This is borne out by one article or brief that read they are being held also on prostitution charges. So maybe they had already started to hook AR up with men that paid them money..what else
could her grooming be used for ..if MJ 's fixation was on the 8-12 year old.

Thanks, DeltaDawn, for sheding a new light on it for me. Age 12 is also the age of acountability.
This is so sick!! It is a wonder that MJ ever had time for work or could keep his mind on work because of spending so much time dreaming up all of this
s--t! Sick POS!

[dark_shadows]

I wouls like to ask a question here and seek the help of our geneology members if I may, or from anyone else who would know where to find the answer to my question. It has to do with certain people here in Vermont and a man in New York who is well known here and that people here would travel to New York to hear speak.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Tom'sGirl]

I wouls like to ask a question here and seek the help of our geneology members if I may, or from anyone else who would know where to find the answer to my question. It has to do with certain people here in Vermont and a man in New York who is well known here and that people here would travel to New York to hear speak.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
Busylady isn't online right now, but perhaps you could start with her and give her the names in a PM???

[dark_shadows]

Busylady isn't online right now, but perhaps you could start with her and give her the names in a PM???
My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
Thank-you very much, I will do that.
But while I am waiting. I would like to say something that I have wanted to say for a while but have held back. If I may, I would like to post it.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Tom'sGirl]

But while I am waiting. I would like to say something that I have wanted to say for a while but have held back. If I may, I would like to post it.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
Looking forward to your post!

[LaLaw2000]

Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
It is nice to hear from you and I appreciate your posts very much.
I have asked for the photo days ago and I am still in the process of providing the booking photo for you.
The photo from my newspaper today and the other days are old photos.
Gagnon has been transferred a few times since his incarceration here in Vermont. He is in Chittenden right now, I posted that a few days ago.
He is being held in protective custody. He will remain there until thursday morning. The booking photo would not be from that facility. He had already been booked prior to his arrival there.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


Dark_shadows,
Has RG been booked at Chittenden before, and then all they would have to do is reactivate him in their system? Is the transfering RG around for court purposes just putting him as 'housed elsewhere' for the duration of court appearances?

Is there suspension of 'hall movement' when RG is walked on the hall (or the 'walk' as in prison lingo)?

I was wondering also if RG and MJ are allowed to have newspapers and are there TV's in the cell in PC? I would hate to think that he and MJ are reading or seeing anything about themselves! I am not familiar with how Vermont does the PC inmates. I know in the state where I live, PC inmates can even get food from the canteen and also have their newspapers. They are not limited as are the Administrative Lockdown inmates.

Sorry to bombard you with so many questions, but I was wondering about how it is in your state!

***Thank you in advance!

[LaLaw2000]

My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
Thank-you very much, I will do that.
But while I am waiting. I would like to say something that I have wanted to say for a while but have held back. If I may, I would like to post it.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


dark_shadows, I always appreciate your posts. I am interested in anything you have to say!

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks, DeltaDawn, for shedding a new light on it for me. Age 12 is also the age of accountability.
This is so sick!! It is a wonder that MJ ever had time for work or could keep his mind on work because of spending so much time dreaming up all of this
s--t! Sick POS!


You mentioned MJ's having time to work..one of the incentives to releasing him from probation was due to his work..traveling world wide for the company. That made me sick when I heard that..many countries do not have the laws we do for pedos. Some have better laws..some have much worse laws. I thought How many young girls has he either watched or participated with in other countries engaged in this perverted sex?

He is a con man as well as a RSO of children and adults..still wondering about the charge with the 13 year old in 1985, which was not his sister..and we have records on.

I do not hold AR accountable for any of her acts..she thought her Mom and sister would die, her throat would be slashed..then later from mails possibly all of them...can you imagine the pressure on this child? Because they used the type of pressure that is family will die..I almost am certain she never thought that Brooke would be murdered..that is also her family. I think AR thought Brooke was her replacement in the Breckenridge program..and she was moving to a different phase.

This is all from the emails..and I admit that the emails seem to show that , but they aren't all the emails that were there certainly. Just enough to indite this bastard. He was given lots of opportunity to reform..but he just couldn't do that...therefore death is the only solution for him.

AR's whole life has been built on this fantasy world that was really a horror world the MJ created to keep her in tow. I find her the victim of him and all those so far included in this sex ring. She now has to deal with the fact people she thought were trying to hurt her and her Dad and family..were a figment of MJ's imagination to get her to comply...can you even imagine this world starting at 9 years old?

[dark_shadows]

Dark_shadows,
Has RG been booked at Chittenden before, and then all they would have to do is reactivate him in their system? Is the transfering RG around for court purposes just putting him as 'housed elsewhere' for the duration of court appearances?

Is there suspension of 'hall movement' when RG is walked on the hall (or the 'walk' as in prison lingo)?

I was wondering also if RG and MJ are allowed to have newspapers and are there TV's in the cell in PC? I would hate to think that he and MJ are reading or seeing anything about themselves! I am not familiar with how Vermont does the PC inmates. I know in the state where I live, PC inmates can even get food from the canteen and also have their newspapers. They are not limited as are the Administrative Lockdown inmates.

Sorry to bombard you with so many questions, but I was wondering about how it is in your state!

***Thank you in advance!
Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
Gagnon was booked in Springfield, he went to Chittenden, to St. Albans and then back to Chittenden. Transfers do not have photos retaken since they are already in the system.
When I worked the unit that he is now housed in, they are not allowed newspapers, tv, ect.
Canteen items ordered would be hygiene and minutes on a calling card for the phone.
He would be placed alone and on 15 minute suicide checks. He would be in a cell alone providing the facility is not overcrowed.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[LaLaw2000]

You mentioned MJ's having time to work..one of the incentives to releasing him from probation was due to his work..traveling world wide for the company. That made me sick when I heard that..many countries do not have the laws we do for pedos. Some have better laws..some have much worse laws. I thought How many young girls has he either watched or participated with in other countries engaged in this perverted sex?

He is a con man as well as a RSO of children and adults..still wondering about the charge with the 13 year old in 1985, which was not his sister..and we have records on.

I do not hold AR accountable for any of her acts..she thought her Mom and sister would die, her throat would be slashed..then later from mails possibly all of them...can you imagine the pressure on this child? Because they used the type of pressure that is family will die..I almost am certain she never thought that Brooke would be murdered..that is also her family. I think AR thought Brooke was her replacement in the Breckenridge program..and she was moving to a different phase.

This is all from the emails..and I admit that the emails seem to show that , but they aren't all the emails that were there certainly. Just enough to indite this bastard. He was given lots of opportunity to reform..but he just couldn't do that...therefore death is the only solution for him.

AR's whole life has been built on this fantasy world that was really a horror world the MJ created to keep her in tow. I find her the victim of him and all those so far included in this sex ring. She now has to deal with the fact people she thought were trying to hurt her and her Dad and family..were a figment of MJ's imagination to get her to comply...can you even imagine this world starting at 9 years old?


DeltaDawn, I had to quote your whole post because it is so good. I see exactly where you are coming from, and I agree. Having said that, there is also another side to it.
The other side involves 'deprograming' AR. She could be classed a 'juvenile delinquent' by the system and be ordered to an inhouse program. I am so afraid that if it is not court ordered, AR will not get the help she needs. She is a victim in the worst way. She has been through too much in her 14 years. I do not trust Denise to follow through on seeing to AR's psychological rehabilitation.
AR's psyche is going to have to be torn down to the ground and rebuilt, IMO. She is going to have to get to the point in her therapy where she comes to terms with her actions. Only after she reaches this level, she can start her upward climb. It will be hard, I know, but she has to be taught right from wrong again, IMO.
While I feel sympathy for her, my greatest sympathy and feeling is concerning Brooke. She is the one who has paid the greatest price through no fault of her own.

I wonder if MJ has gone to Amsterdam, Russia, and the Dominican Republic, to name a few? You are so right - in some countries, MJ's actions short of murder, would be just fine and with no consequences.

[LaLaw2000]

Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
Gagnon was booked in Springfield, he went to Chittenden, to St. Albans and then back to Chittenden. Transfers do not have photos retaken since they are already in the system.
When I worked the unit that he is now housed in, they are not allowed newspapers, tv, ect.
Canteen items ordered would be hygiene and minutes on a calling card for the phone.
He would be placed alone and on 15 minute suicide checks. He would be in a cell alone providing the facility is not overcrowed.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Thank you for your answers, dark_shadows!

:blowkiss:

[dark_shadows]

Looking forward to your post!
My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
I thank-you so much.
Well this has to do with current or past religion.
I can tell you that there have been many many inmates that I have encountered that were from Island Pond and he surrounding areas.
Both men and women that have been incarcerated for sexual abuse.

I will say that when the story first came out about Breckenridge, there was a poster who saw the word "President" and assumed that the Breckenridge Program was involving the President of the United States. No where in the emails does is say "The President of the United States". It simply says "the President". President of an organization.

Here is something that many "old school Vermonters" still partake in and it included Texas;

http://m.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080605/NEWS02/806050314/1001/NEWS&template=wapart

Robert Breckenridge;
http://home.twcny.rr.com/churches/lds.html

I know that Brooke's pastor was a Baptist. He appeared very detatched at Brooke's funeral. Was Jacques side of the family Latter Day Saints?
Stepping on shells her with the religion part.
But I do have to ask after reflecting back on the many inmates I saw with sexual assualts against children from the ones who still sexually abused so many children.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[LaLaw2000]

dark_shadows, just one last question - honest!!
Is RG in a 'paper dress' as he is on suicide watch as well as PC?
I would love to think of him in the paper dress!

[dark_shadows]

dark_shadows, just one last question - honest!!
Is RG in a 'paper dress' as he is on suicide watch as well as PC?
I would love to think of him in the paper dress!
Dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
He would not be in a paper dress. He would be in a suicide suit if Mental Health and security felt that it was a nessesary step.
The gown is made of tear proof cloth and it has velcro on the shoulders and down the back. It is quilted. They come in solid blue or solid green colors. It goes to the knees more or less. He is most likely on 10 or 15 minute suicide checks. If it was any more than that, he would be in a restaint chair on constant watch. He is in a unit, not a restraint chair though. I am just letting you know the options for suicide watch on an inmate here.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[believe09]

Just catching up on the threads here-we do not know that MJ planned to use his machine on Brooke although it is a fair assumption. The reason I am making the distinctions is that with the threads moving so quickly I am watching speculation posted as actual fact, and I was hoping to regroup some myself on what we actually know.

I am increasingly distraught that Denise and Cassandra seem to still have custody of minor children-also an assumption on my part, but it scares me. Granted, we do not have the whole story, but if one or both are not charged by next week, I would love to see us throw our energy at ensuring that changes ASAP!!!!!

[Elley Mae]

Has anyone checked to see if the rental property,the house where the machine was delivered is/was occupied, and could this have been were the assault took place. Were the police ever there.

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks ds for that info. Where will all this end, and when. Do people not understand that children are children and adults are adults..and that sex between the two is one of the oldest taboos..esspecialy within the family? WTH is going on in this country that sexual abuse and incest are now considered part of religion, freedom of choice or any other amendment they want to include? Does no one understand that what our fore fathers meant and what we read into the Constitution today are two very different things. If we need amendments that cover child abuse and sexual abuse..they are not part of freedom or religion..then lets change the Constitution so theses mentally unstable people cannot hide behind it. What kind of BS is that!!!

[LaLaw2000]

Thank you, dark_shadows, for your answers to my questions! :)

[DeltaDawn]

Just catching up on the threads here-we do not know that MJ planned to use his machine on Brooke although it is a fair assumption. The reason I am making the distinctions is that with the threads moving so quickly I am watching speculation posted as actual fact, and I was hoping to regroup some myself on what we actually know.

I am increasingly distraught that Denise and Cassandra seem to still have custody of minor children-also an assumption on my part, but it scares me. Granted, we do not have the whole story, but if one or both are not charged by next week, I would love to see us throw our energy at ensuring that changes ASAP!!!!!

I think that we can rest assured that the sex machine did have something to do with Brooke's torture and/or death or it would not have been in the affadavit from the FEDS. They would not have included anything that was not 100% part of this case. There are many missing emails and other info..but to include this machine in a Federal affadavit means it was used in this crime..rather they spell it out or not. If it hadn't been they would not have gone to the trouble to include it and find out when it was ordered, by whom it was ordered, when it was delivered and where it was delivered. They have alot more info to put together..they wouldn't have even wasted their time or the judges with something that was not part of this case.

Cassandra does not have any other minor children that we know of. I seriously doubt that Denise has AR with her. As far as C goes..she may be with Denise, but under constant protection and supervision by LE.

[dark_shadows]

Thank you, dark_shadows, for your answers to my questions! :)
My dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
Thank-you so much. I am grateful that you are here.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Lola]

d_s, the depth and breadth of your information never ceases to amaze me. :o

[LaLaw2000]

My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
I thank-you so much.
Well this has to do with current or past religion.
I can tell you that there have been many many inmates that I have encountered that were from Island Pond and he surrounding areas.
Both men and women that have been incarcerated for sexual abuse.

I will say that when the story first came out about Breckenridge, there was a poster who saw the word "President" and assumed that the Breckenridge Program was involving the President of the United States. No where in the emails does is say "The President of the United States". It simply says "the President". President of an organization.

Here is something that many "old school Vermonters" still partake in and it included Texas;

http://m.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080605/NEWS02/806050314/1001/NEWS&template=wapart

Robert Breckenridge;
http://home.twcny.rr.com/churches/lds.html

I know that Brooke's pastor was a Baptist. He appeared very detatched at Brooke's funeral. Was Jacques side of the family Latter Day Saints?
Stepping on shells her with the religion part.
But I do have to ask after reflecting back on the many inmates I saw with sexual assualts against children from the ones who still sexually abused so many children.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I just finished reading the articles, dark_shadows. You really might have something there! I have also come in contact with some RSO's when I was working. I do know that there are a couple of RSO's in my area that are of that particular religion. We knew the names, and I just went back to the RSO site and found them when I did the 'city' search. One of them is and old man, and the other is not as old - middle aged.
I, too, would like to know if MJ's Dad was of that religion.
Thanks!

[dark_shadows]

Thanks ds for that info. Where will all this end, and when. Do people not understand that children are children and adults are adults..and that sex between the two is one of the oldest taboos..esspecialy within the family? WTH is going on in this country that sexual abuse and incest are now considered part of religion, freedom of choice or any other amendment they want to include? Does no one understand that what our fore fathers meant and what we read into the Constitution today are two very different things. If we need amendments that cover child abuse and sexual abuse..they are not part of freedom or religion..then lets change the Constitution so theses mentally unstable people cannot hide behind it. What kind of BS is that!!!
My dearest DeltaDawn,:blowkiss:
I am grateful for your post.
Thank-you.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

d_s, the depth and breadth of your information never ceases to amaze me. :o
My very dear Lola,:blowkiss:
Your words mean alot to me and I appreciate you so very much.
So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[DeltaDawn]

My dearest DeltaDawn,:blowkiss:
I am grateful for your post.
Thank-you.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

My dearest ds,

Right back at you..we have a mutual admiration society between us here.

I so appreciate your posts and your very informative statements about
inmates, laws and justice.

With great respect and love,

DD :blowkiss:

[LaLaw2000]

Has anyone checked to see if the rental property,the house where the machine was delivered is/was occupied, and could this have been were the assault took place. Were the police ever there.


The rental property was supposedly next door to the newer house MJ and Denise lived in. I could be very wrong, but seems to me that one of the grandmothers lived in the rental property. You could see that the driveway forked in one of the pics that a local poster made. Also in that pic was a U Haul truck at the rental property. I am going to go look for that particular pic. The poster went to a great deal of trouble to take the pics and I want to give him the credit for the pic!!
I think there may be some outbuilding on the property where MJ kept his toys. I bet that was not his first order! BRB

[dark_shadows]

I just finished reading the articles, dark_shadows. You really might have something there! I have also come in contact with some RSO's when I was working. I do know that there are a couple of RSO's in my area that are of that particular religion. We knew the names, and I just went back to the RSO site and found them when I did the 'city' search. One of them is and old man, and the other is not as old - middle aged.
I, too, would like to know if MJ's Dad was of that religion.
Thanks!
My dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
I want to thank-you so much for taking the time to read the articles.
I so very much appreciate your post.
Brooke's pastor was Baptist, but he appeared very detached. In my opinion from observation. I wonder if the man was a pastor that Cassandra just happen to choose. I would like to know the religion of MJ and his family also LaLaw, maybe we can find that info out soon. Thank-you for the info that you provided about RSO's and their religion.


So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[LaLaw2000]

My dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
I want to thank-you so much for taking the time to read the articles.
I so very much appreciate your post.
Brooke's pastor was Baptist, but he appeared very detached. In my opinion from observation. I wonder if the man was a pastor that Cassandra just happen to choose. I would like to know the religion of MJ and his family also LaLaw, maybe we can find that info out soon. Thank-you for the info that you provided about RSO's and their religion.


So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


You are so welcome, dark_shadows!

I have actually been to a couple of funerals that the paster did not seem to know the deceased. I think it was because they (the family) were not members of any church. It always struck a cord in me that it was a shame that the pastor was actually reading the comments! That is sad.

[LaLaw2000]

Elly Mae, go to the Photo Section of the board if you will and click on the post IMBY did. You can see a slide show where the rental property is located. The U Haul truck is in the pic.
IMBY did a great job!

[dark_shadows]

My dearest ds,

Right back at you..we have a mutual admiration society between us here.

I so appreciate your posts and your very informative statements about
inmates, laws and justice.

With great respect and love,

DD :blowkiss:
Very dearest DeltaDawn,:blowkiss:
I truly Love your posts my friend.

I wish that we were all sitting together in the same room discussing this.
There are so many pieces to this very large puzzle, but piece by piece, we all work together with compassion. Also to preserve the dignity of the deceased victim Brooke.

So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Elley Mae]

LaLaw2000 thank you for that information.

[LaLaw2000]

LaLaw2000 thank you for that information.

:)... no problem!

[christine2448]

Very dearest DeltaDawn,:blowkiss:
I truly Love your posts my friend.

I wish that we were all sitting together in the same room discussing this.
There are so many pieces to this very large puzzle, but piece by piece, we all work together with compassion. Also to preserve the dignity of the deceased victim Brooke.

So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67270

[Elley Mae]

Something else that has been bothering me, does it make sense that MJ wanted to be on the store video with Brooke and them going there separate ways and then going to the duncan donuts to be videoed with out her and picked her up on the way back. Trying to cover his azz.

[dark_shadows]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67270
I was meaning face to face together in person.

[Busylady]

The billing address and delivery address was his home that the family resides in not the rental property. 1820 E Bethel is the home, 1850 E Bethel is the rental property.

Has anyone checked to see if the rental property,the house where the machine was delivered is/was occupied, and could this have been were the assault took place. Were the police ever there.

[Elley Mae]

Sorry busylady I thought I saw a post a couple days ago that stated different order and delivery.

[luthersmama]

Thanks ds for that info. Where will all this end, and when. Do people not understand that children are children and adults are adults..and that sex between the two is one of the oldest taboos..esspecialy within the family? WTH is going on in this country that sexual abuse and incest are now considered part of religion, freedom of choice or any other amendment they want to include? Does no one understand that what our fore fathers meant and what we read into the Constitution today are two very different things. If we need amendments that cover child abuse and sexual abuse..they are not part of freedom or religion..then lets change the Constitution so theses mentally unstable people cannot hide behind it. What kind of BS is that!!!



I believe that sexual exploitation is actually LESS common, on a per capita basis, than in prior generations. Loretta Lynn was married at 14 for pity's sake! Nobody TALKED about it. A young girl who turned up pregnant or with an STD was shipped off and not mentioned again. No f'ing way a young boy would EVER talk about the "fiddling about." There was no education, nobody to report to, no credibility for child witnesses. Just shame and silence and more of the same from generation to generation.

[SeriouslySearching]

The billing address and delivery address was his home that the family resides in not the rental property. 1820 E Bethel is the home, 1850 E Bethel is the rental property.It still makes me wonder who signed for the package that day.

[IMBY]

The rental property was supposedly next door to the newer house MJ and Denise lived in. I could be very wrong, but seems to me that one of the grandmothers lived in the rental property. You could see that the driveway forked in one of the pics that a local poster made. Also in that pic was a U Haul truck at the rental property. I am going to go look for that particular pic. The poster went to a great deal of trouble to take the pics and I want to give him the credit for the pic!!
I think there may be some outbuilding on the property where MJ kept his toys. I bet that was not his first order! BRB

I'm not positive who lived (or lives) in the rental property-- it is the former home of MJ and DJ before their house was built. The "rental" is the one on the right hand side of the forked driveway.

The "grandmother" you may be thinking of might be Lilla Woodard who's address is listed in public records as 1816 which is the residence of MJ's grandfather.

btw, there was some talk about the age of the google satellite photos, because MJ's house does not appear.. just the prepared site shows.
I'm fairly certain that the google images are from around 2001 based on the pics of my house.

[LaLaw2000]

I'm not positive who lived (or lives) in the rental property-- it is the former home of MJ and DJ before their house was built. The "rental" is the one on the right hand side of the forked driveway.

The "grandmother" you may be thinking of might be Lilla Woodard who's address is listed in public records as 1816 which is the residence of MJ's grandfather.

btw, there was some talk about the age of the google satellite photos, because MJ's house does not appear.. just the prepared site shows.
I'm fairly certain that the google images are from around 2001 based on the pics of my house.


IMBY, you did a great job on taking the pics and presentation of the slide show! Thank you!

I was thinking there was a video of one of the grandmothers speaking, and then turning and walking up the driveway. Did Lilla Woodard ever speak? I think it was also said that Cassandra, Brooke, Savannah, and her half brother lived with a grandmother. I simply cannot keep everyone straight!

IMBY, do you know how far off the road Brooke's body was found? I know it was a fresh, shallow grave. If any vehicle had driven off road, the tracks in the grass would have been visible to LE wouldn't they?

I still cannot begin to think what was found in the house that led LE to Brooke's body.

Anyway - GREAT JOB - IMBY!

[LaLaw2000]

It still makes me wonder who signed for the package that day.

I would love to know also, SS.
I want to know what time the package came and who all saw it. If C. was there at the time, she would be very curious as to what was in the package as children all are.
I want to know if Denise knew a package came that day.

[Tom'sGirl]

I was thinking there was a video of one of the grandmothers speaking, and then turning and walking up the driveway. Did Lilla Woodard ever speak? I think it was also said that Cassandra, Brooke, Savannah, and her half brother lived with a grandmother. I simply cannot keep everyone straight!
RANDOLPH — Lucinda Milne took a break Tuesday afternoon; she’d been making dozens of yellow and purple ribbons for tonight’s vigil.

Her granddaughter, Brooke Bennett, 12, has been missing for a full week.

“There was a time for tears,” Milne said. “And then I was angry for a full day. Now I’m just numb. We want Brooke, and we need to stand by and wait. Every day and every minute that goes by is harder and harder.”

Brooke lived at Milne’s West Braintree home with her mother, Cassandra Gagnon, and her siblings, Savanna Andress, 18, and D.A., 15.

Milne said the family was close and loving.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701027/1007/NEWS02

[Tom'sGirl]

I would love to know also, SS.
I want to know what time the package came and who all saw it. If C. was there at the time, she would be very curious as to what was in the package as children all are.
I want to know if Denise knew a package came that day.
It wouldn't have just been a package, it would have been oversized.

Tracking info. is available oneline, IF you know your order number. I think LE has all that info.

[Hailiejade77]

My dearest LaLaw,:blowkiss:
I want to thank-you so much for taking the time to read the articles.
I so very much appreciate your post.
Brooke's pastor was Baptist, but he appeared very detached. In my opinion from observation. I wonder if the man was a pastor that Cassandra just happen to choose. I would like to know the religion of MJ and his family also LaLaw, maybe we can find that info out soon. Thank-you for the info that you provided about RSO's and their religion.


So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

From watching the funeral I was under the impression that the pastor was Jim's pastor. He said that he Baptized little C (Brooke's younger half brother Jim and Janet's son)

[dark_shadows]

I just posted this on the Amber Alert thread, this shows what the lack of communication was here in Vermont.

We do not have billboards here.
Video at link.



http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8662622




Burlington, Vermont - July 11, 2008
It's construction season in Vermont-- and if you didn't know it-- all you'd have to do is read the electronic billboards... billboards that should have been displaying an Amber Alert when Brooke Bennett went missing two weeks ago.
"They just didn't contact us. If we'd been contacted, we would have put our system in place," said John Zicconi of the Vt. Agency of Transportation.
Vt. State police say they forgot to contact the Agency of Transportation.



More at link.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[LI_Mom]

My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
I thank-you so much.
Well this has to do with current or past religion.
I can tell you that there have been many many inmates that I have encountered that were from Island Pond and he surrounding areas.
Both men and women that have been incarcerated for sexual abuse.

I will say that when the story first came out about Breckenridge, there was a poster who saw the word "President" and assumed that the Breckenridge Program was involving the President of the United States. No where in the emails does is say "The President of the United States". It simply says "the President". President of an organization.



http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8580434

In the police affidavit, it says the victim was told the president of the United States had selected her for the sex program. The president assigns a trainer, and her trainer would be Michael Jacques. And then she was abused-- almost tortured-- on a weekly basis in many different ways for the next five years. The victim testified she had met three men as part of the "Breckenridge" ring who had told her what types of sexual activity she needed to work on to graduate.

[IMBY]

IMBY, you did a great job on taking the pics and presentation of the slide show! Thank you!

I was thinking there was a video of one of the grandmothers speaking, and then turning and walking up the driveway. Did Lilla Woodard ever speak? I think it was also said that Cassandra, Brooke, Savannah, and her half brother lived with a grandmother. I simply cannot keep everyone straight!


I believe that Lilla Woodard is DJ's grandmother (According to Brooke's obituary, Brooke's maternal great-grandmother). Brooke's maternal grandmother is listed as Lucinda Milne.

IMBY, do you know how far off the road Brooke's body was found? I know it was a fresh, shallow grave. If any vehicle had driven off road, the tracks in the grass would have been visible to LE wouldn't they?

I still cannot begin to think what was found in the house that led LE to Brooke's body.

Anyway - GREAT JOB - IMBY!

There are very few signs of vehicle tracks going off road anywhere along Crocker Road. There are a few... but nothing that looks like there was heavy LE traffic. At least not visible from the road. I just took a drive and it was getting dark. I'll try to get some more pics.

Edit: Sorry Tom'sGirl, didn't see your posts.

[LI_Mom]

I think that we can rest assured that the sex machine did have something to do with Brooke's torture and/or death or it would not have been in the affadavit from the FEDS. They would not have included anything that was not 100% part of this case. There are many missing emails and other info..but to include this machine in a Federal affadavit means it was used in this crime..rather they spell it out or not. If it hadn't been they would not have gone to the trouble to include it and find out when it was ordered, by whom it was ordered, when it was delivered and where it was delivered. They have alot more info to put together..they wouldn't have even wasted their time or the judges with something that was not part of this case.

Cassandra does not have any other minor children that we know of. I seriously doubt that Denise has AR with her. As far as C goes..she may be with Denise, but under constant protection and supervision by LE.

Cassandra has a 15 year old son.

Cassandra's ex-husband RG had NO RECORD prior to Brooke's death.

We do NOT know what the circumstances regarding Brooke's sleepover were....

IF she sent her daughter there thinking her sister would be home during that night AND that both Denise AND MJ would be at work the following morning... I don't feel Cassandra is the monster people are making her out to be.

If only Cassandra knew that AR was the one she had to keep Brooke away from.

[olepi]

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8580434

In the police affidavit, it says the victim was told the president of the United States had selected her for the sex program. The president assigns a trainer, and her trainer would be Michael Jacques. And then she was abused-- almost tortured-- on a weekly basis in many different ways for the next five years. The victim testified she had met three men as part of the "Breckenridge" ring who had told her what types of sexual activity she needed to work on to graduate.

Can anybody else see where it refers to the President of the United States? I dont'. I see the word 'president', but assumed it meant the top guy at Breckenridge.

[LI_Mom]

Something else that has been bothering me, does it make sense that MJ wanted to be on the store video with Brooke and them going there separate ways and then going to the duncan donuts to be videoed with out her and picked her up on the way back. Trying to cover his azz.


Wasn't the DD story a lie?

In any event, it makes sense that he would want to be noticed leaving town WITHOUT Brooke.... that confirms their story that someone picked her up.

[LI_Mom]

Can anybody else see where it refers to the President of the United States? I dont'. I see the word 'president', but assumed it meant the top guy at Breckenridge.

Where is that particular affidavit?

All I know is that this is how the story was reported in the news from the very beginning.... there was mention of the Pres. of the USA.

So if inmates are referring to it, it's not necessarily because they have some type of insight/knowledge BUT because they probably read the same thing we all did.

[olepi]

There was a link to the affidavit in the article you posted. I think it's a case where the media is 'enhancing' the story, or sloppy reporting.

[dark_shadows]

Can anybody else see where it refers to the President of the United States? I dont'. I see the word 'president', but assumed it meant the top guy at Breckenridge.

Dearest Olepi,:)
Thank-you for your post.
The poster (li mom) posted what the news story said and bolded it,

not the actual affidavit of course.

You are right, it does not say "the President of the United States".

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[christine2448]

There was a link to the affidavit in the article you posted. I think it's a case where the media is 'enhancing' the story, or sloppy reporting.


Where is that particular affidavit?

All I know is that this is how the story was reported in the news from the very beginning.... there was mention of the Pres. of the USA.

So if inmates are referring to it, it's not necessarily because they have some type of insight/knowledge BUT because they probably read the same thing we all did.



We have a thread for affidavits here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66875)

[LI_Mom]

Dearest Olepi,:)
Thank-you for your post.
The poster (li mom) posted what the news story said and bolded it,

not the actual affidavit of course.

You are right, it does not say "the President of the United States".

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


Yep, either it's the usual slopping reporting OR is it possible Breckenridge is also mentioned in another affidavit?


Either way... it's easy to see why some people are mentioning the "Pres. of the USA" in connection with Breckenridge. The very idea of it is SO absurd, it really sticks in your mind.

[olepi]

Dearest Olepi,:)
Thank-you for your post.
The poster (li mom) posted what the news story said and bolded it,

not the actual affidavit of course.

You are right, it does not say "the President of the United States".

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Thank you d_s. I was only pointing out the difference between the article written by the media and the affidavit linked within said article. I had missed your earlier post where you already mentioned it.

[dark_shadows]

Thank you d_s. I was only pointing out the difference between the article written by the media and the affidavit linked within said article. I had missed your earlier post where you already mentioned it.
Dearest Olepi,:blowkiss:
Thanks again for your post.
Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

Where is that particular affidavit?

All I know is that this is how the story was reported in the news from the very beginning.... there was mention of the Pres. of the USA.

So if inmates are referring to it, it's not necessarily because they have some type of insight/knowledge BUT because they probably read the same thing we all did.

What do you mean that inmates are refering to it??

[christine2448]

RANDOLPH — Lucinda Milne took a break Tuesday afternoon; she’d been making dozens of yellow and purple ribbons for tonight’s vigil.

Her granddaughter, Brooke Bennett, 12, has been missing for a full week.

“There was a time for tears,” Milne said. “And then I was angry for a full day. Now I’m just numb. We want Brooke, and we need to stand by and wait. Every day and every minute that goes by is harder and harder.”

Brooke lived at Milne’s West Braintree home with her mother, Cassandra Gagnon, and her siblings, Savanna Andress, 18, and D.A., 15.

Milne said the family was close and loving.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080702/NEWS01/80701027/1007/NEWS02


Thanks TG... ;)

[LI_Mom]

What do you mean that inmates are refering to it??


Ooops! I must be going crazy... I went back (pg. 2) & reread your original post:

"I will say that when the story first came out about Breckenridge, there was a poster who saw the word "President" and assumed that the Breckenridge Program was involving the President of the United States. No where in the emails does is say "The President of the United States". It simply says "the President". President of an organization."




Inmate... poster..... it's close enough, isn't it? :crazy:

[dark_shadows]

Ooops! I must be going crazy... I went back (pg. 2) & reread your original post:

"I will say that when the story first came out about Breckenridge, there was a poster who saw the word "President" and assumed that the Breckenridge Program was involving the President of the United States. No where in the emails does is say "The President of the United States". It simply says "the President". President of an organization."




Inmate... poster..... it's close enough, isn't it? :crazy:


I am not here to have my posts picked apart and misconstrued.

Put me on ignore.

Posters here should not be refered to as inmates either.

Last I am going to say about that.

[LI_Mom]

I am not here to have my posts picked apart and misconstrued.

Put me on ignore.

Posters here should not be refered to as inmates either.

Last I am going to say about that.

With all due respect, I wasn't picking apart your words....

You mentioned some confusion concerning "president" vs. "president of the USA" & I was pointing out why some people DID in fact believe AR mentioned the POTUS. That's exactly what the news reported to us.


And the last comment was merely poking fun for such an absurd mixup. A joke.... thus the smilie.

[Tom'sGirl]

Where is that particular affidavit?

All I know is that this is how the story was reported in the news from the very beginning.... there was mention of the Pres. of the USA.

So if inmates are referring to it, it's not necessarily because they have some type of insight/knowledge BUT because they probably read the same thing we all did.

http://i34.tinypic.com/28rjfqx.jpg

[Hailiejade77]

I am off to bed everyone. Just wanted to say one more time. Happy 13th Birthday Brooke Bennett. You will get justice that you deserve and the sick and evil people that did this to you will pay!

[evelyn24]

http://i34.tinypic.com/28rjfqx.jpg

I definitely read that to mean the president of the breckenridge organization, not the president of the united states.
The news media and their sloppy reporting caused some posters so think it was the president of the united states.

[RR0004]

I just posted this on the Amber Alert thread, this shows what the lack of communication was here in Vermont.

We do not have billboards here.
Video at link.



http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8662622




Burlington, Vermont - July 11, 2008
It's construction season in Vermont-- and if you didn't know it-- all you'd have to do is read the electronic billboards... billboards that should have been displaying an Amber Alert when Brooke Bennett went missing two weeks ago.
"They just didn't contact us. If we'd been contacted, we would have put our system in place," said John Zicconi of the Vt. Agency of Transportation.
Vt. State police say they forgot to contact the Agency of Transportation.



More at link.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows
OMG! Just when you think you've heard it all!!

[dark_shadows]

This is on the front page of my newspaper today.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080713/NEWS01/80712014&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

http://cmsimg.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?


http://cmsimg.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?The footprints have faded; the K-9s are back in their kennels. Yet 10 days after police found the body of slain 12-year-old Brooke Bennett near Randolph Center, a forensics team at the Burlington Police Department still coaxes evidence from the chief suspects’ digital trail.

Sgt. Kris Carlson, who commands the Vermont Internet Crimes Against Children task force, said Friday that sifting through hard drives, peripherals and networks will take three specialists at least another three weeks.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h117/imanillusion/Gagnon.jpg


Undated family photo of Gagnon sitting at a computor. Photo courtesy of The Burlington Free Press used with permission.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[texas48]

Great, :banghead: I just lost a longgg post. lol
Again, AR has been a victim, of sexual abuse since the age of 8.
It is against the TOS to bash her and I am not afraid to hit the alert button. :blush:

How dare people HERE question if Brooke was sexually active.
Wt is wrong with people? She was only12 years old.

Do gossip mongers have a son or daughter 12 years old?? Think about it.:mad:
I find this infuriating.

My comments are regarding post made yesterday.I am new here and I have to ask....what is an "alert button"? Why would you be afraid to hit it? What happends when you do hit it?

[ZOOL]

observe the lower, far left corner of the family-Gagnon photo: a teddy bear....
:puke:

[ZOOL]

I am new here and I have to ask....what is an "alert button"? Why would you be afraid to hit it? What happends when you do hit it?

Texas48,

I imagine that the "alert button" is the red, triangulated exclaimation point in the upper right corner of a post. "Hitting" the mark will alert a moderator to a questionable posting.

[dark_shadows]

observe the lower, far left corner of the family-Gagnon photo: a teddy bear....
:puke:
Dearest ZOOL,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for your post. That was the first thing that stood out when I saw the photo on the front page of the paper today. I felt sick also.



Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Talisman]

dark_shadows, :blowkiss:

Thank you for all of your hard work here!!

I was one of those posters that was confused about the 'President' comment. Thank you for clearing that up.

Lots of love to you!!:blowkiss:

[marly56]

Texas48,

I imagine that the "alert button" is the red, triangulated exclaimation point in the upper right corner of a post. "Hitting" the mark will alert a moderator to a questionable posting.
thanx ZOOL

[ZOOL]

You are welcome, Marly56!

[dark_shadows]

dark_shadows, :blowkiss:

Thank you for all of your hard work here!!

I was one of those posters that was confused about the 'President' comment. Thank you for clearing that up.

Lots of love to you!!:blowkiss:
My sweet Talisman,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for your very thoughtful words my friend.

You always brighten my day. Always.

So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[ZOOL]

Dearest ZOOL,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for your post. That was the first thing that stood out when I saw the photo on the front page of the paper today. I felt sick also.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Good morning, ds --

The little white object on the left of the terminal screen looks like a ceramic Snow White. (Probably just my imagination,...running away with myself....)

:singing:

forgive me,
and apologies to the Temptations,
pun intended

[VTNance]

Great, :banghead: I just lost a longgg post. lol
Again, AR has been a victim, of sexual abuse since the age of 8.
It is against the TOS to bash her and I am not afraid to hit the alert button. :blush:

How dare people HERE question if Brooke was sexually active.
Wt is wrong with people? She was only12 years old.

Do gossip mongers have a son or daughter 12 years old?? Think about it.:mad:
I find this infuriating.

My comments are regarding post made yesterday.

I need to say something. I found this post incredibly mean. I am not a gossip monger and yes I do have children. And I know from them, and from being involved with their school, that there are sad and terrible things that go on with a lot of children, in Brook's age group and all age groups. It is heartbreaking. I asked some questions about some strange things in the evidence and what they might mean. That is was "sleuths" do. Brooke for much of her life was around two men who are now up on federal charges for child pornography. It isn't a gigantic stretch of the imagination to wonder if this may have affected her life previous to the murder. I didn't ask that question to be salacious but because I want to find out the truth about the criminals that took Brooke's life.

If we are not allowed to question the evidence and discuss what it may mean, this board is pointless. For you to suggest that I brought up these questions just to be mean or gossipy is just disgusting.

I'm with Dark Shadows, put me on "ignore." This will be my last post.

[Leve]

I HOPE (an angry rant)

I hope that MJ is fried.
I hope if MJ somehow ends up with only prison time that the other inmate humiliate and degrade him just like I suspect he did Brooke.
I hope Cassandra and Denise end up penniless living with their "he's just sick" mother.
I hope Savannah and Jim file a wrongful death claim and get all properties of MJ plus however much the jury awards them from the state of Vermont- I hope Savannah heals from this trauma and goes on to become a self sufficient woman possibly even a future law maker herself
I hope that little "C" is removed from this situation although who would take care of her both sides of her family appear dysfunctional. I hope a trust fund is set up for her future.
I hope the laws in Vermont change to start protecting the child instead of the perverts.

END OF RANT

[dark_shadows]

Good morning, ds --

The little white object on the left of the terminal screen looks like a ceramic Snow White. (Probably just my imagination,...running away with myself....)

:singing:

forgive me,
and apologies to the Temptations,
pun intended
My dearest ZOOL,:blowkiss:
It is very nice to see you. Good morning to you too.

I did not see that one. Good eyes ZOOL. I do not think that it is your imagination because I just looked at it.

So much Love and Respect for you,
dark_shadows

[ZOOL]

<SNIP>

...If we are not allowed to question the evidence and discuss what it may mean, this board is pointless. For you to suggest that I brought up these questions just to be mean or gossipy is just disgusting.... , put me on "ignore." This will be my last post.

VTNance,

Hold on a second. It's easier to step back and take a breath. I imagine that most of the anger should be directed at me since I began the topic with a posting much earlier than yours. I know you are mad. You deserve to be. But try not to take everyone's anger upon your shoulders.

It was my election to post an inquiring comment upon a very sensitive subject at the wrong time.

zool

[Talisman]

I need to say something. I found this post incredibly mean. I am not a gossip monger and yes I do have children. And I know from them, and from being involved with their school, that there are sad and terrible things that go on with a lot of children, in Brook's age group and all age groups. It is heartbreaking. I asked some questions about some strange things in the evidence and what they might mean. That is was "sleuths" do. Brooke for much of her life was around two men who are now up on federal charges for child pornography. It isn't a gigantic stretch of the imagination to wonder if this may have affected her life previous to the murder. I didn't ask that question to be salacious but because I want to find out the truth about the criminals that took Brooke's life.

If we are not allowed to question the evidence and discuss what it may mean, this board is pointless. For you to suggest that I brought up these questions just to be mean or gossipy is just disgusting.

I'm with Dark Shadows, put me on "ignore." This will be my last post.


This case is just so gut wrenching and heart breaking that emotions are very raw. It disturbed me to the point of having to walk away from it for awhile. When I did decide to come back to read threads about Brooke's murder there seemed to be many posts that were leaning towards blaming the victims. Usually that doesn't happen here at Websleuths and it sickened me!!!

I'm not pointing any fingers at you, You just happened to post about it now.

Personally, I am sick of the victims being targeted. The victims have suffered horribly ending with the murder of a beautiful young 12 year old. Not sure why things seem so different here at Websleuths the past week or so, but I hope it stops!!

[texas48]

I need to say something. I found this post incredibly mean. I am not a gossip monger and yes I do have children. And I know from them, and from being involved with their school, that there are sad and terrible things that go on with a lot of children, in Brook's age group and all age groups. It is heartbreaking. I asked some questions about some strange things in the evidence and what they might mean. That is was "sleuths" do. Brooke for much of her life was around two men who are now up on federal charges for child pornography. It isn't a gigantic stretch of the imagination to wonder if this may have affected her life previous to the murder. I didn't ask that question to be salacious but because I want to find out the truth about the criminals that took Brooke's life.

If we are not allowed to question the evidence and discuss what it may mean, this board is pointless. For you to suggest that I brought up these questions just to be mean or gossipy is just disgusting.

I'm with Dark Shadows, put me on "ignore." This will be my last post.VTNance..I want to say THANK YOU for your post. I am new here and I have never thought anything I read was mean or gossipy..just very informative and believe that this is what this is all about. We are all here and should be able to post as we want or ask questions as along as we abide by the rules. The "I'm not afraid to hit the alert button" had me somewhat stunned. I am a mother of 3 and grandmother of 7. I did not feel anyone was bashing Brooke by questioning anything. Thnks again VTNance and please continue to post.

[texas48]

VTNance,

Hold on a second. It's easier to step back and take a breath. I imagine that most of the anger should be directed at me since I began the topic with a posting much earlier than yours. I know you are mad. You deserve to be. But try not to take everyone's anger upon your shoulders.

It was my election to post an inquiring comment upon a very sensitive subject at the wrong time.

zoolThank :woohoo:you ZOOL for the info the the ALERT BUTTON and also for all your very informative post. Anger should not be directed toward anyone on this board. We all try and help each other. I think the remark about gossipers was uncalled and downight rude. Quess I better watch out or the Alert Button could be hit at anytime!!!! Only kidding..Thanks again ZOOL for all your great questions and comments and especially your HELP!

[ZOOL]

Thanks, Texas48 --

I'm going to go away for awhile now, and look into the subject matter of the hacking that has been taking place over the course of the past week.

I'll be back. Hopefully VTNance, will be too.

Reading through the subthreads on AFFIDAVITS and PHOTOS and FAMILY TREES and BRECKENRIDGE is interesting reading too.

[becca]

This case is just so gut wrenching and heart breaking that emotions are very raw. It disturbed me to the point of having to walk away from it for awhile. When I did decide to come back to read threads about Brooke's murder there seemed to be many posts that were leaning towards blaming the victims. Usually that doesn't happen here at Websleuths and it sickened me!!!

I'm not pointing any fingers at you, You just happened to post about it now.

Personally, I am sick of the victims being targeted. The victims have suffered horribly ending with the murder of a beautiful young 12 year old. Not sure why things seem so different here at Websleuths the past week or so, but I hope it stops!!
Which was the point of my little rant on the last thread. We never re victimize the victims. The family is part of that too. They are victims of a system and a parent that didn't think. These mothers do not get a free pass, but the children didn't have a choice in this.
I swore I wouldn't post on this case again, but its a bit hard not to when the subject is victims.
Philamena was trying to make a point about that. We do not make the victims , victims again. To discuss certain things does that. For long time posters here it makes them angry, they are all about the victims getting justice not wondering if a 12 yr old was sexually active. The mere thought of that put a lot of us in a tail spin.
The subject has no bearing on the case,any more than saying a girl got raped because she wore a short skirt. Or better yet a rape victims sexual history.... its not brought up. Has nothing to do with the crime at hand.
sorry for another rant, but it makes my blood boil... victims are victims... we need to keep that in mind.

[Cornflower]

These mothers do not get a free pass, but the children didn't have a choice in this.

When I joined this community I was very pleased to notice that people treat eachother nicely and write about this case very professionally. I understand that there are lots of things that are very hard to talk about. However I´ve been a bit surprised about the turn that the conversations have taken. I don´t see a point in identifying people from the funeralphotos, if someone could explaine why that is relevant to the case I´d be happy to know.
My strong oppinion is that ALL the children here are victims. All of them.
JMO.

[twinkiesmom]

How dare people HERE question if Brooke was sexually active.
Wt is wrong with people? She was only12 years old.


Incest is a crime in which silence leads to death and more victims. Light needs to be shined in dark corners in this case. Brooke can not be hurt by our questions.

If Brooke was sexually active at 12...it would make prior abuse almost a certainty given the family structure (close contact with two pedophiles).

[adnoid]

...sifting through hard drives, peripherals and networks will take three specialists at least another three weeks...

There's a job I sure know how to do but could never sign up for. I don't think I could contain my desire to pull out my .357 and dispatch the disgusting child porn scumbags personally. Anyone who has any desire to look at that stuff has no reason to live.

My BIL was a CO at a state prison here. He told me they kept the child molesters separated because the other prisoners would kill them. I don't see the problem - I look at it as "peer review".

The picture of that sick monster sitting at the computer - and you know what he was doing there - fills me with a seething rage.

[ZOOL]

becca,

You may find "The Problem Of Evil: Comprehending the Incomprehensible" (http://www.vnews.com/07092008/4941888.htm), Wednesday's (7/9) editorial in the Vermont Valley News daily a worthwhile read.

zool

[becca]

becca,

You may find "The Problem Of Evil: Comprehending the Incomprehensible" (http://www.vnews.com/07092008/4941888.htm), Wednesday's (7/9) editorial in the Vermont Valley News daily a worthwhile read.

zool

Thank you for the link, it was interesting. I still think that without all the facts we are so easily led down the rumor path. We must wait until we know the facts before we can discuss if this then that... otherwise we are just blowing in the wind. and using bandwidth for idle gossip.
To fully understand evil one must be on a first name basis with it.

[Tom'sGirl]

This is on the front page of my newspaper today.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080713/NEWS01/80712014&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
http://cmsimg.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?
Respectfully,
dark_shadows
Dearest d_s, I was so glad you posted the photo, I have it with the photo caption but with the time difference didn't get it posted.

I know some guys may have a few things around one's desk if your kids make them, but SnowMen, Teddy, and an Angel or whatever makes me wonder what they represent?

[Native New Yorker]

As far as I am concerned, the only pix that we should be interested are those of the monsters...so that we can put a face to evil. The victims ( of which there are many), well, I do not see the point in trying to ID their pix.

As to the issue of sexual abuse prior to the murder, VT Nance, I hope you come back.
Some of you have things ( in my opinion) bassackwards!
When a child is sexually active ( thinking of AR here) dollars to donuts, there has been molestation! The molestation almost always causes sexual acting out, to coin a clinical phrase.
I think that any interest expressed here as far as the victim's sexual activity was strictly about motive ( being part of their sick system, perhaps, and then wanting out) or being molested and threatening to tell.
It is a totally FALSE analogy to liken this to accusing a rape victim of wearing a short skirt!
No child wants to be molested, but once they are, it impacts their lives in EVERY way, most apparently in sexual ways.
The only gossipy thing I have seen on these boards has been the attempts to ID funeral pix...and even that I liken to rubbernecking at a car crash...just a side of human nature that is not so noble, but certainly not cruel!
You cannot take sexual activity out of the equation with these families. Like it or not, they were all living in a cesspool with two perverts. Bound to be repercussions, which damaged probably all the children in those families, one fatally.

[Native New Yorker]

Dark shadows, thank you for posting that pic of RG. For putting a face to evil.

I agree with Adnoid...we all know what that sicko was doing online.....very disturbing!

[CarpeDiem]

I know some guys may have a few things around one's desk if your kids make them, but SnowMen, Teddy, and an Angel or whatever makes me wonder what they represent?

Christmas. I think the pic was taken at Christmas time.

[IMBY]

I honestly don't believe that anyone's intent here is to "re-victimize" the victims. Everyone here has shown (rightfully) nothing but compassion and sympathy for them.

In a previous post I talked about the rampant speculation (which I dislike) aspect of this forum, and about hypothesizing.

People are trying to understand WHY Brooke was "targeted" and the events that led to her kidnapping and death.

We certainly don't have all of the facts in this case.

Per the affidavit, we know that AR said that there were three other girls "enrolled" in Breckenridge.
She also said "the first who 'does it' lives and the second gets her throat cut".

Of course you may disagree, but how does questioning anyone's potential previous involvement in Breckenridge not have a bearing on the case?

By considering all of the possibilities, perhaps it would increase understanding (and yes, intellectual growth). Perceptions are tricky... I did not see ANYONE "blaming the victims" in any way, shape, manner or form.

But on the other hand, the idea of considering some questions/hypotheses "taboo" with regard to discovering facts that may possibly speak DIRECTLY to motive and/or opportunity seems a little misguided if not counterproductive. IMHO.

If you think that Brooke's "history" (if any) is not being looked into by LE, I think you are mistaken.

As I said in another post, however, whether or not a public forum is the place to discuss these things is debatable... I'm fairly certain that there are people lurking/reading this forum that know things pertaining to this case that have not yet been revealed, and may be equally upset by some of the misinformation presented here.

I, for one, appreciate any discussion---

My 2¢

Edit:
While I was typing, twinkiesmom put it much more succinctly:
Incest is a crime in which silence leads to death and more victims. Light needs to be shined in dark corners in this case. Brooke can not be hurt by our questions.

If Brooke was sexually active at 12...it would make prior abuse almost a certainty given the family structure (close contact with two pedophiles).

[texas48]

As far as I am concerned, the only pix that we should be interested are those of the monsters...so that we can put a face to evil. The victims ( of which there are many), well, I do not see the point in trying to ID their pix.

As to the issue of sexual abuse prior to the murder, VT Nance, I hope you come back.
Some of you have things ( in my opinion) bassackwards!
When a child is sexually active ( thinking of AR here) dollars to donuts, there has been molestation! The molestation almost always causes sexual acting out, to coin a clinical phrase.
I think that any interest expressed here as far as the victim's sexual activity was strictly about motive ( being part of their sick system, perhaps, and then wanting out) or being molested and threatening to tell.
It is a totally FALSE analogy to liken this to accusing a rape victim of wearing a short skirt!
No child wants to be molested, but once they are, it impacts their lives in EVERY way, most apparently in sexual ways.
The only gossipy thing I have seen on these boards has been the attempts to ID funeral pix...and even that I liken to rubbernecking at a car crash...just a side of human nature that is not so noble, but certainly not cruel!
You cannot take sexual activity out of the equation with these families. Like it or not, they werrkere all living in a cesspool with two perverts. Bound to be repercussions, which damaged probably all the children in those families, one fatally.Thanks Native New Yorker. You said this well. Bassackwards is a good ole Texas word and you used it perfectly. We need all the posters, so, come on back. I always need your words of wisdom and your help, especially with that darn ole alert button....

[Taximom]

observe the lower, far left corner of the family-Gagnon photo: a teddy bear....
:puke:

Did he live by himself when this photo was taken?

[Native New Yorker]

Thanks, Texas....I have not left the board...and do not plan to...
I wonder where I done picked up a Texas expression? I learned it from my father, who was a Brooklyn boy....he must have learned it in the Army....

Imby, and twinkiesmom, I totally agree with what you both said....

[LI_Mom]

I need to say something. I found this post incredibly mean. I am not a gossip monger and yes I do have children. And I know from them, and from being involved with their school, that there are sad and terrible things that go on with a lot of children, in Brook's age group and all age groups. It is heartbreaking. I asked some questions about some strange things in the evidence and what they might mean. That is was "sleuths" do. Brooke for much of her life was around two men who are now up on federal charges for child pornography. It isn't a gigantic stretch of the imagination to wonder if this may have affected her life previous to the murder. I didn't ask that question to be salacious but because I want to find out the truth about the criminals that took Brooke's life.

If we are not allowed to question the evidence and discuss what it may mean, this board is pointless. For you to suggest that I brought up these questions just to be mean or gossipy is just disgusting.



I think a big problem with discussing this case is that we have some very basic facts but even those are just snippets of a very large picture.

Trying to fill in the blanks leads to all kinds of speculation about all the people who definitely were or might have been involved.

There has been next to NO new info released since the arrests.... coverage of the funeral doesn't give us any new insight into the case.... of course it led to more speculation.

[Hailiejade77]

I think a big problem with discussing this case is that we have some very basic facts but even those are just snippets of a very large picture.

Trying to fill in the blanks leads to all kinds of speculation about all the people who definitely were or might have been involved.

There has been next to NO new info released since the arrests.... coverage of the funeral doesn't give us any new insight into the case.... of course it led to more speculation.

I think you hit the nail on the head!
I think everyone has been so heartbroken about this case and we just want to see justice and figure out WHY this happened to this precious little girl!

[nanandjim]

Dearest d_s, I was so glad you posted the photo, I have it with the photo caption but with the time difference didn't get it posted.

I know some guys may have a few things around one's desk if your kids make them, but SnowMen, Teddy, and an Angel or whatever makes me wonder what they represent?
Once again, this is an old photo, IMO. He is wearing the same glasses as in the other two photos. It may have been taken five years ago, but looks can change a lot in five years...Believe me...It has unfortunately happened to me. :o

[SuziQ]

I'm a bit confused on the apartment thing. Am I to understand that Ray rented an apartment in addition to a room at KG's house? Can someone clear that up for me?

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080712/NEWS04/807120353/1004/NEWS03

(snip)
That San Antonio landfill may be the dumping site for trash from a local apartment rented by Raymond Gagnon, Bennett's former stepfather who is facing charges in Alabama for possession of child pornography.

The 40-year-old Gagnon allegedly instructed his landlord last month to throw away a safe containing a computer stored at his apartment that police say contained volumes of child pornography, including sexual photos of an underage female witness involved in Bennett's disappearance.

"We are working to locate a hard drive or laptop computer that was disposed of at the instruction of Mr. Gagnon," Vasys said early Friday afternoon. "Based on information we have received, this landfill is the dumping site for trash from his apartment."

[DianeB]

Thanks v. much for posting this photo, dark_shadows.

The first thing that struck me was the presence of the case full of DVD's and the hookup between the computer and the TV monitor.

[fran]

I just posted this on the Amber Alert thread, this shows what the lack of communication was here in Vermont.

We do not have billboards here.
Video at link.



http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8662622




Burlington, Vermont - July 11, 2008
It's construction season in Vermont-- and if you didn't know it-- all you'd have to do is read the electronic billboards... billboards that should have been displaying an Amber Alert when Brooke Bennett went missing two weeks ago.
"They just didn't contact us. If we'd been contacted, we would have put our system in place," said John Zicconi of the Vt. Agency of Transportation.
Vt. State police say they forgot to contact the Agency of Transportation.



More at link.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Thank you for this link and article DS.

How sad that they didn't do it right, the Amber Alert. But, I don't think, in this case, it would have made any difference. Brooke may have already been dead and no one saw her leave with the accused kidnapper anyway, except AR.

It's better that they realize their flaw now and correct it, because next time, it MAY make a difference.

FWIW, the very first Amber Alert in California, right after it became law, positively saved the lives of TWO young teenagers who'd been kidnapped and abused. He was actually in the process of attempting to kill them when LE swooped in, literally, and saved their lives. It was a road worker, who'd seen the Amber Alert, notified LE that he'd seen them turn down a small country road, in the middle of nowhere.

Thank you for all the hard work you've done on this case, DS. It's sincerely appreciated by many of us, who are watching the case but not necessarily posting now as we're waiting for some 'new facts' to come out.

JMHO
fran

[SeriouslySearching]

Bassackwards is a good ole Texas word and you used it perfectly.I thought that was an Oklahoma word?! :P

[Tom'sGirl]

Once again, this is an old photo, IMO. He is wearing the same glasses as in the other two photos. It may have been taken five years ago, but looks can change a lot in five years...Believe me...It has unfortunately happened to me. :o
I agree, the whole 'big glasses thing goin on' looks like his other photos. But, maybe he still wears that type??? The computer set-up also looks outdated.

In the caption below the photo it said undated family Photo.
http://i36.tinypic.com/2iw1zeo.jpg

[fran]

I'm a bit confused on the apartment thing. Am I to understand that Ray rented an apartment in addition to a room at KG's house? Can someone clear that up for me?

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080712/NEWS04/807120353/1004/NEWS03

(snip)
That San Antonio landfill may be the dumping site for trash from a local apartment rented by Raymond Gagnon, Bennett's former stepfather who is facing charges in Alabama for possession of child pornography.
."

Oh Goodness! SuziQ.....:crazy:

This shows why so many people here get confused. This isn't reporting, it's 'mis-reporting.'

Whoever wrote this needs to read what's been written before, it's obvious they're very confused.

He rented a 'room' but his landlord of the 'room' claims to have dumped the computer or harddrive at an apartment building trash bin.

JMHO
fran

[dark_shadows]

Thanks v. much for posting this photo, dark_shadows.

The first thing that struck me was the presence of the case full of DVD's and the hookup between the computer and the TV monitor.
My dearest Diane,:blowkiss:
It is clear that it was in the winter months due to the fact that there are snowmen figures in the photo. It does not mean that it was taken at Christmas time, it could have been before or after in the winter months.
Yes the DVD's and the hookup are something that struck. When I posted the photo I made sure to include that it is an undated photo.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[PomMom12]

I just read on the Fox News website that the FBI is now looking in a landfill for the ex-stepfather's safe. I hope they find it!

[fran]

Thanks Native New Yorker. You said this well. Bassackwards is a good ole Texas word and you used it perfectly.

LOL, IMO, most likely that term can be claimed by all 50 states as their 'word.' Heehee,...........my parents were from Massachusetts but I was born and raised in California and I remember this word from waaayyyy back.
:D

fran

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for posting that, Dark~ I am not surprised they don't know how to initiate the Amber Alert system properly in VT since they have not bothered to use it up until now. Too bad the trial run happened to be for Brooke and they obviously failed miserably in using it correctly. I have said before that I am shocked this is the first time it had ever been used in a missing child case there. This needs to change and they need to review their guidelines. I think someone should point out to LE in VT that the guidelines are not to be taken literally and it should be done on a case by case basis.

[dark_shadows]

I agree, the whole 'big glasses thing goin on' looks like his other photos. But, maybe he still wears that type??? The computer set-up also looks outdated.

In the caption below the photo it said undated family Photo.

http://i36.tinypic.com/2iw1zeo.jpg

My very dearest Tom'sGirl,:blowkiss:
Yes, it is an old photo and you are right in saying that the caption says "undated" photo. I am the one who put that caption there to stress that it is an old photo. I put that there so that posters would know that it is old and that there would not have to be any question that is is in fact old and undated.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[SuziQ]

Oh Goodness! SuziQ.....:crazy:

This shows why so many people here get confused. This isn't reporting, it's 'mis-reporting.'

Whoever wrote this needs to read what's been written before, it's obvious they're very confused.

He rented a 'room' but his landlord of the 'room' claims to have dumped the computer or harddrive at an apartment building