Brooke Bennett, 12 years old Randolph VT #21

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around BROOKE'S FORUM (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=163)there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872)and also to read THIS STICKY (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67094) before participating. TIA.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.

Welcome all newbies!!!!!!!!!!!! :blowkiss: I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

[dark_shadows]

I went to reply and the thread was closed! This is from the last page of thread#20.








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Originally Posted by dark_shadows http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2379813#post2379813)
My very dearest Liz,:blowkiss:
Hello my friend!

Jacques and Gagnon are in state facilities, being held as Federal detainees.
You will not find either one in the BOP listings due to the fact that they are secured in the 2 state facilities until they are sentenced and transported to a Federal Holding Facility. Once there, it will be determined what their main facility will be. If they are sententenced to death, they would most likely end up in the Indiana Federal Facility. I say again, most likely.

Due to the fact that the Feds pay the state of Vermont for a certain amount of beds for detainee holding and detainee release, they are on the headcount of the State of Vermont.
Jacques is in the Northwest Correctional Facility in St. Albans. There is a unit that is a lockdown unit. When a detainee enters that facility, they automatically go to that secure unit. These are 1 man cells. They are assigned a caseworker. They are allowed out of their cell for 1 hour recreation in a secured hallway and to use the phone (collect calls). If their behavior has been found acceptable, or if they are not on PC status, after a period of time, they can exercise in a bullpen or watch tv in a secured room.

As far as Gagnon goes, he is being held in the Chittenden Regional Correctional Facility in South Burlington. He is held in the segragation unit and is only allowed out for 1 hour a day. He would do the 1 hour excercise in the hallway where his cell is. They are 2 man cells, but I believe that Gagnon is being held with no cellmate. That is how it was when Brian Rooney was housed in the same unit.

I hope this helps.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


Wow it's sad that such great CARE is being given to these two POS. I wish someone had taken that much CARE of Brooke and her safety.

d_s, your knowledge of the prison system is utterly amazing!
__________________
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Prov.22:6



Thank-you so very much Miss Lisa!:blowkiss:
I worked in both of those facilities.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Starr58]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....gory=BENNETT01

[lightinthedark]

Miss_Lisa,

No, I have not heard if AR and Cassandra have talked to or seen eachother.

[lightinthedark]

Dark_Shadows,

Thank you so very much for your knowledge! You are a wealth of information!

:blowkiss:

Lightinthedark:)

[miss lisa]

shouldn't we be hearing some murder charges by now or will we have to wait until after the 17th?

[miss lisa]

d_s,
are MJ or RG allowed any form of visitation?

[philamena]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....gory=BENNETT01


Hi Starr, the link isn't working for me.
IS there another link to the timesargus that my have the information?

[Tom'sGirl]

shouldn't we be hearing some murder charges by now or will we have to wait until after the 17th?
We may have to wait to see what the determination of COD is before those charges can/will be charged.

[Starr58]

Hi Starr, the link isn't working for me.
IS there another link to the timesargus that my have the information?

Try this one:

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=BENNETT01

[miss lisa]

We may have to wait to see what the determination of COD is before those charges can/will be charged.

Wouldn't COD/TOD be determined by now just not just disclosed publicly yet?

[dark_shadows]

Dark_Shadows,

Thank you so very much for your knowledge! You are a wealth of information!

:blowkiss:

Lightinthedark:)
My dear Lightinthedark,:blowkiss:
I appreciate that so very much.
Thank-you.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

d_s,
are MJ or RG allowed any form of visitation?
My dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
Jacques would have a visit on closed circuit tv. Both can have attorney visits at approved hours. Attorney visits have to be approved and reasonable notice given. Attorneys do not have to be on the visitor list.
Special requests for visitors must be approved and that could take awhile due to background checks of the visitors reguested. There are certain times and days pertaining to the visits. Both of these are no-contact visits.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[marly56]

Hi Starr, the link isn't working for me.
IS there another link to the timesargus that my have the information?
thanx for the link !

[Medea]

Wouldn't COD/TOD be determined by now just not just disclosed publicly yet?

I would think so, especially since her funeral was open casket. I've thought from the beginning she was strangled or smothered.

There could be all kinds of reasons for the delay...they may not want to file charges until they've completely investigated the child pornography angle and given themselves more time to find the safe in Texas, or they may be negotiating some form of plea agreement with Gagnon about his knowledge of Brooke's death or they may not be satisfied yet that they know what happened at Jacques house and don't want to close out any avenues by laying charges.

[miss lisa]

My dear Lightinthedark,:blowkiss:
I appreciate that so very much.
Thank-you.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


My dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
Jacques would have a visit on closed circuit tv. Both can have attorney visits at approved hours. Attorney visits have to be approved and reasonable notice given. Attorneys do not have to be on the visitor list.
Special requests for visitors must be approved and that could take awhile due to background checks of the visitors reguested. There are certain times and days pertaining to the visits. Both of these are no-contact visits.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

i wonder if either have had ANY visitors besides attorneys...

Soooo....thinking out loud here....
IF KG wanted to visit RG he could?
Does anyone know if RG's attorney is court appointed or paid for by himself or KG?

[dark_shadows]

i wonder if either have had ANY visitors besides attorneys...

Soooo....thinking out loud here....
IF KG wanted to visit RG he could?
Does anyone know if RG's attorney is court appointed or paid for by himself or KG?
Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
No, KG would not be able to visit. Due to the investigation.
I posted Gagnon's attorney's name a few threads ago along with Jacques attorney name.
They both have Federal Public Defenders. Nolan.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[philamena]

Try this one:

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=BENNETT01


Thank you Starr!

[Leila]

Wouldn't COD/TOD be determined by now just not just disclosed publicly yet?

I remember LE saying that they were awaiting toxicology results and it would take about 3 - 4 weeks. So, I'm assuming that they won't release COD/TOD until they have the complete autopsy report with toxicology.

[Tom'sGirl]

I remember LE saying that they were awaiting toxicology results and it would take about 3 - 4 weeks. So, I'm assuming that they won't release COD/TOD until they have the complete autopsy report with toxicology.
I agree Leila, as it's been in other cases, and sometimes we didn't know all for months.

[dark_shadows]

I truly wish that the COD would be out prior to the 17th.

I also want to say that my heart goes out to all of the Law Enforcement agencies who are involved in Brooke's case. My whole heart truly hurts for the ones who found Brooke's body and to the Medical Examiner.
I thank the Special Investigations Unit in Burlington for discovering the forensic data on the computors.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[miss lisa]

I truly wish that the COD would be out prior to the 17th.

I also want to say that my heart goes out to all of the Law Enforcement agencies who are involved in Brooke's case. My whole heart truly hurts for the ones who found Brooke's body and to the Medical Examiner.
I thank the Special Investigations Unit in Burlington for discovering the forensic data on the computors.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I agree. People don't realize how difficult it is on law enforcement. My dad was in law enforcement for 51 years so I can appreciate their position. It's never easy but the pain is amplified when it is a child....

[Elley Mae]

Does anyone know if AR's boyfriend, has been questioned,his cellphone looked at or computer seized.

[nanandjim]

Does anyone know if AR's boyfriend, has been questioned,his cellphone looked at or computer seized.
I'd like to know where AR met her boyfriend. If she met him through Myspace, he may be a setup and part of MJ's circle.

[LI_Mom]

I'd like to know where AR met her boyfriend. If she met him through Myspace, he may be a setup and part of MJ's circle.


He's also a minor. It's most likely he's just a school mate or someone she knows from the community.

[LaLaw2000]

I think that MJ made films and took pics of AR for sale/distribution, and that RG is the computer person for their little network. I just have the feeling that RG was more the brains of the operation.
Whatever the reason the FBI does not want Gagnon's current pic out in the public would be a good reason, so I will accept it. They seem to not want him to be recognized because it may be a tip off to someone else involved in this sordid mess.
I keep going back to Gagnon because I just have this gut feeling that he went by different identities, depending who he might have been dealing with at the time.
I am totally repulsed at all of the people in this case with the exception of Brooke. And AR is a victim as well. However, she is going to have to have inhouse intensive psychological therapy. She is going to be lost in this world if she does not come to terms with the meaning of right and wrong. I honestly hope she can overcome this long term abuse. Through no fault of her own, she has lived in a fantasy world created by MJ. She now has to live in the real world. If it is not court ordered, I do not have the confidence in Denise to follow through with it.
I am waiting also to see if some reporter manages to get a pic of Gagnon going into or out of the courthouse on the 17th. If the FBI orders that no pics are to be in the public of him, then again, I will give up on it until trial. They would have good resaons, I am sure!
Last thing - does anyone know if RG has a relative named Carmen Gagnon? Thanks!

[Elley Mae]

Since AR said that she left the house with Juv2(boyfriend) I assume he was driving,how old do you have to be to get a license in Vermont. I know some states its 15 just curious.

[SeriouslySearching]

I haven't heard the name of Carmen Gagnon before, but I could have missed it. Care to elaborate on why you are asking?

[Elley Mae]

LaLaw2000 you are probably right, as soon as MJ thought he was in trouble he called gagnon for help with the changes on the times.

[LaLaw2000]

I haven't heard the name of Carmen Gagnon before, but I could have missed it. Care to elaborate on why you are asking?

There has been no mention of a Carmen Gagnon other than by me. I am just wondering. :)

[LI_Mom]

Since AR said that she left the house with Juv2(boyfriend) I assume he was driving,how old do you have to be to get a license in Vermont. I know some states its 15 just curious.

I checked...

In VT you can get a junior license at 16.

[LaLaw2000]

The reason I was wanting to know if RG had a relative by the name of Carmen is because a new listing was made in WhitePages.com in May, 2008 by this name in San Antonio, Texas. Also, a new listing was made in Vermont in May, 2008 by this name. KG's listing was made in May, 2008 for his home in San Antonio, Texas.

A relative by the name of Raymond was listed as living at the residence of Carmen in San Antonio, Texas, in the May, 2008 listing.

Clear as mud? I have just been wondering about possible connections.

[Busylady]

The Ray living with Carmen is Raymond C, not the same RG.

The reason I was wanting to know if RG had a relative by the name of Carmen is because a new listing was made in WhitePages.com in May, 2008 by this name in San Antonio, Texas. Also, a new listing was made in Vermont in May, 2008 by this name. KG's listing was made in May, 2008 for his home in San Antonio, Texas.

A relative by the name of Raymond was listed as living at the residence of Carmen in San Antonio, Texas, in the May, 2008 listing.

Clear as mud? I have just been wondering about possible connections.

[Starr58]

Do we have RG, MJ & KG's midle initials and/or birthdates?

[LaLaw2000]

The Ray living with Carmen is Raymond C, not the same RG.

Thank you, Busylady! I had cross referenced it also, but thought that it was odd that it was a Raymond 'C'. There has been so much deception in this case by KG, RG, and MJ that I thought it was possible that it was RG. They are such liars in their web of deceit!

Thanks again!

[Hailiejade77]

I truly wish that the COD would be out prior to the 17th.

I also want to say that my heart goes out to all of the Law Enforcement agencies who are involved in Brooke's case. My whole heart truly hurts for the ones who found Brooke's body and to the Medical Examiner.
I thank the Special Investigations Unit in Burlington for discovering the forensic data on the computors.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I agree 100%!!! Nicely said Dark Shadows :blowkiss:

[miss lisa]

does anyone know if RG spoke any other language other than English?

[liljim]

i agree, but we wont hear anything before the 17th.

its weird how sometimes DNA/tox/COD can be turned around in just a few days, and other times they say 6-8 weeks. i always felt they massaged those numbers as needed on a case by case basis.

[ZOOL]

I have not found any discussion regarding bebo.com. An advanced google search of that website, using "bmb loves" produces some interesting results.

Someone with access, may find it worthwhile to look deeper.

[liljim]

re: law enforcement working this case, for some reason as i was working in the yard today i thought about this.

about the fact that some people got up today and sat on the edge of the bed going "yep, gonna go deal with child murder all day". and worse.

couldnt have more respect for the people that take on jobs like that.

[Tom'sGirl]

Do we have RG, MJ & KG's midle initials and/or birthdates?
I only know Jacques middle name:Stephen & DOB: 3-18-66

[miss lisa]

I have not found any discussion regarding bebo.com. An advanced google search of that website, using "bmb loves" produces some interesting results.

Someone with access, may find it worthwhile to look deeper.


what is bebo.com?

[Liz]

Raymond Alfred Gagnon, 11/3/67

Sources:
http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_189231932.html

http://www1.doc.state.vt.us/offender/public.pl/response?lname=gagnon&fname=raymond&action=Search

[miss lisa]

lightinthedark,
I understand that you know some family members involved. Would you happen to know if RG or MJ spoke any other language besides English? i.e german or italian?

[Elley Mae]

I did a Texas Public record search on Raymond Gagnon and without a middle intial 13 different addresses,just found that interesting.

[lightinthedark]

lightinthedark,
I understand that you know some family members involved. Would you happen to know if RG or MJ spoke any other language besides English? i.e german or italian?

I don't know anything about RG. I'm not sure about MJ either, but he may know a little spanish, only because I know he has been to Mexico on business before. Again, that is only a guess.

[miss lisa]

I don't know anything about RG. I'm not sure about MJ either, but he may know a little spanish, only because I know he has been to Mexico on business before. Again, that is only a guess.

TY very much! You've been very helpful all day!

[lightinthedark]

TY very much! You been very helpful all day!

:)You're very welcome. This is what happens when you live in a small town, you always know someone that knows something about another.:rolleyes:

[Liz]

My very dearest Liz,:blowkiss:
Hello my friend!

Jacques and Gagnon are in state facilities, being held as Federal detainees.
You will not find either one in the BOP listings due to the fact that they are secured in the 2 state facilities until they are sentenced and transported to a Federal Holding Facility. Once there, it will be determined what their main facility will be. If they are sententenced to death, they would most likely end up in the Indiana Federal Facility. I say again, most likely.

Due to the fact that the Feds pay the state of Vermont for a certain amount of beds for detainee holding and detainee release, they are on the headcount of the State of Vermont.
Jacques is in the Northwest Correctional Facility in St. Albans. There is a unit that is a lockdown unit. When a detainee enters that facility, they automatically go to that secure unit. These are 1 man cells. They are assigned a caseworker. They are allowed out of their cell for 1 hour recreation in a secured hallway and to use the phone (collect calls). If their behavior has been found acceptable, or if they are not on PC status, after a period of time, they can exercise in a bullpen or watch tv in a secured room.

As far as Gagnon goes, he is being held in the Chittenden Regional Correctional Facility in South Burlington. He is held in the segragation unit and is only allowed out for 1 hour a day. He would do the 1 hour excercise in the hallway where his cell is. They are 2 man cells, but I believe that Gagnon is being held with no cellmate. That is how it was when Brian Rooney was housed in the same unit.

I hope this helps.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows


Hi dark_shadows :)

Thank you soo much your reply, and for all of your help answering our questions regarding this case. It's so wonderful we have you to rely on as an invaluable resource here! You're simply the best, d_s! :blowkiss:

[IMBY]

I only know Jacques middle name:Stephan & DOB: 3-18-66

Stephen

[close_enough]

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=BENNETT01

thanks for the link, Starr:)

[luvbeaches]

re: law enforcement working this case, for some reason as i was working in the yard today i thought about this.

about the fact that some people got up today and sat on the edge of the bed going "yep, gonna go deal with child murder all day". and worse.

couldnt have more respect for the people that take on jobs like that.

That's the truth.

I haven't posted but a couple of times here...I am having a hard time keeping up with all the posts, and what's unfolding in the case. Thanks to all the posters here who've taken the time to post. This is really a disturbing case. Truly sickening. :(

[Tom'sGirl]

Raymond Alfred Gagnon, 11/3/67

Sources:
http://www.cullmantimes.com/local/local_story_189231932.html

http://www1.doc.state.vt.us/offender/public.pl/response?lname=gagnon&fname=raymond&action=Search
Thanks Liz!

[Tom'sGirl]

Stephen
My bad, thanks for catching my 'typo' IMBY.

[Liz]

Thanks Liz!

You're welcome, TG!

And thank you for doing a great job keeping us up to date with photos in the photo thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66864)! :)

[christine2448]

re: law enforcement working this case, for some reason as i was working in the yard today i thought about this.

about the fact that some people got up today and sat on the edge of the bed going "yep, gonna go deal with child murder all day". and worse.

couldnt have more respect for the people that take on jobs like that.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[dark_shadows]

I agree. People don't realize how difficult it is on law enforcement. My dad was in law enforcement for 51 years so I can appreciate their position. It's never easy but the pain is amplified when it is a child....

I agree 100%!!! Nicely said Dark Shadows :blowkiss:

Hi dark_shadows :)

Thank you soo much your reply, and for all of your help answering our questions regarding this case. It's so wonderful we have you to rely on as an invaluable resource here! You're simply the best, d_s! :blowkiss:
My dearest Miss lisa, Hailiejade and Liz,:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:
Thank-you so very much. It means alot to me.

So much Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[lightinthedark]

I couldn't agree with you all more. It takes a special kind of person to deal what they deal with on an every day basis and still be able to function.
:clap:

[pjop]

what is bebo.com?

I'm with miss lisa...what's bebo?
Anyone?
My kid's right here...don't wanna look up something bad. :eek:

[christine2448]

I'm with miss lisa...what's bebo?
Anyone?
My kid's right here...don't wanna look up something bad. :eek:


Neva heard of it...don't blame ya...just looked it up, no pop ups or crazy stuff.....seems OK from "initial contact"....LOL!

Bebo is a social media network where friends share their lives and explore great entertainment.

[Leila]

I truly wish that the COD would be out prior to the 17th.

I also want to say that my heart goes out to all of the Law Enforcement agencies who are involved in Brooke's case. My whole heart truly hurts for the ones who found Brooke's body and to the Medical Examiner.
I thank the Special Investigations Unit in Burlington for discovering the forensic data on the computors.



Respectfully,
dark_shadows

I agree. I've known many in LE and first responders, and it incredibly difficult for them and especially when it's a child. Some need counseling to deal with it.

[pjop]

Thanks to both!

[Busylady]

I could be wrong but in looking at bunches of bebo messages - it appears bmb stands for bebo me back.

[CarolinaGal62]

Newbie here ......been reading for some time and want to say what a GREAT group of folks you have here !

You all do a marvelous job !

Didn't "bmb" on Brooke's my space page stand for Brooke Marie Bennett loves.....so and so ??????:waitasec:

[Busylady]

Yes, but someone suggested to search bebo website using bmb love and see all the things it pulled up. So I was saying so much pulled up because bmb stands for bebo me back.

Newbie here ......been reading for some time and want to say what a GREAT group of folks you have here !

You all do a marvelous job !

Didn't "bmb" on Brooke's my space page stand for Brooke Marie Bennett loves.....so and so ??????:waitasec:

[CarolinaGal62]

Busylady....oops sorry.......did not see that.........

Thanks !!!:)

[philamena]

FINALLY!!!
July 14,2008
Dubie: Vermont Must Get Tough on Sex Offenders
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8669461&nav=menu183_6_3_8

It's the highest responsibility of government to protect its citizens-- from those that are most vulnerable from those that are most dangerous," said Lt. Gov. Brian Dubie, R-

[mercibeaucoup]

Many people are complaining about the terrible probation officers and judges responsible for letting MJ off probation early... as if keeping him on probation longer would have changed anything. If AR is telling the truth, MJ was abusing her even while he was on probation for years, and afterwards. IMO, the problem is not in letting MJ off probation early, but in the nature of our probation system. In a system where a man is living with one grown woman and 2 female children 24 hours a day, how can an officer checking in on them once a month or whatever have any idea what is going on?

[CarolinaGal62]

MJ seemed to have a way of "falling thru the cracks". He thought he was slick, I for one hope and pray he suffers terribly and rots for all he has done !:furious:

[philamena]

I get what you're saying.
Personally, I don't think the probabation period would have protected anyone.
But his non -release because of his sexual crimes would have prevented AR's abuse and Brookes's death.

[philamena]

MJ seemed to have a way of "falling thru the cracks". He thought he was slick, I for one hope and pray he suffers terribly and rots for all he has done !:furious:

Roting for eternity suits me.
He is like another Joseph Duncan.:mad:
I hoped I would never hear about anyone like him again. Yet a few years later, we have this pos who's abused who knows how many. :furious:

[mercibeaucoup]

I get what you're saying.
Personally, I don't think the probabation period would have protected anyone.
But his non -release because of his sexual crimes would have prevented AR's abuse and Brookes's death.

I absolutely agree! I don't understand why we don't keep violent sexual offenders (especially repeat offenders like MJ!) in jail for their entire sentence.

[evelyn24]

I think BMB stood for her initials. It was most likely written by MJ anyway.
He did try to set it up like she was preparing to meet some myspace online lover.

[philamena]

I absolutely agree! I don't understand why we don't keep violent sexual offenders (especially repeat offenders like MJ!) in jail for their entire sentence.

Honey, it makes no sence to me.
Funny isn't it that we follow sexual abuse cases and
we know these perp can't be rehabililted.
But judges free them. :mad:

[Fairy1]

I absolutely agree! I don't understand why we don't keep violent sexual offenders (especially repeat offenders like MJ!) in jail for their entire sentence.

Me neither. I also do not understand what makes the authorities believe that their "rehabilitation" programs will be effective! I honestly do not believe these freaks can be "fixed." Even with what we know about this case already - and there may very well be much more - this was an elaborate scheme to sexually abuse a child. Men (and I use that term loosely) will go to extremes to carry out these crimes. Single mothers need to be more aware and less desparate. And along those lines, since there are SO many single mothers out there, employers need to pay fair wages so these vulnerable women can support their families without risking their well-being and that of their babies. IMO

[KR2tonenow]

FINALLY!!!
July 14,2008
Dubie: Vermont Must Get Tough on Sex Offenders
http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=8669461&nav=menu183_6_3_8
:clap:Great NEWS!!! Go Vermont!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Newbie here ......been reading for some time and want to say what a GREAT group of folks you have here !

You all do a marvelous job !

Didn't "bmb" on Brooke's my space page stand for Brooke Marie Bennett loves.....so and so ??????:waitasec:Welcome to WS, CarolinaGal!

[marly56]

:clap:Great NEWS!!! Go Vermont!!
sounds great but why are not the laws already in place being used. also why all the red tape? why all the foot dragging? why all the behind closed doors meetings? it seems so clear that if someone harms a child the way these freaks do, they should be locked AWAY from civil society.i have to wonder WHO these lawmakers really are, when they turn their head on some of these cases. what are THEY made of?

[MoonFlwr]

Newbie here ......been reading for some time and want to say what a GREAT group of folks you have here !

You all do a marvelous job !

Didn't "bmb" on Brooke's my space page stand for Brooke Marie Bennett loves.....so and so ??????:waitasec:

:Welcome-12-june:

CarolinaGal! :)

From a recent newbie!

[Fairy1]

sounds great but why are not the laws already in place being used. also why all the red tape? why all the foot dragging? why all the behind closed doors meetings? it seems so clear that if someone harms a child the way these freaks do, they should be locked AWAY from civil society.i have to wonder WHO these lawmakers really are, when they turn their head on some of these cases. what are THEY made of?

Yes Ma'am. ITA. What is it going to take to lock these freaks up FOREVER?!?!?!? If you spend any time on these boards, you know this is a multi-faceted issue. Yes - these freaks cannot be fixed, but the women and children they prey on are often unnecessarily vulnerable - for many reasons. The entire issue needs to be addressed on many levels - IMO. If I had been Denise or Cassandra - I would NEVER, EVER, EVER, had placed my babies - male or female - in such a position. I don't want to kick anyone when they're down, but honestly, how much free, unsupervised time did MJ have with AR???? That burden falls on the shoulders of only one person - the ONE who should have been protecting her children. IMHO.

[marly56]

Me neither. I also do not understand what makes the authorities believe that their "rehabilitation" programs will be effective! I honestly do not believe these freaks can be "fixed." Even with what we know about this case already - and there may very well be much more - this was an elaborate scheme to sexually abuse a child. Men (and I use that term loosely) will go to extremes to carry out these crimes. Single mothers need to be more aware and less desparate. And along those lines, since there are SO many single mothers out there, employers need to pay fair wages so these vulnerable women can support their families without risking their well-being and that of their babies. IMO
i was molested by my uncle when i was 4 years old [touched my private once] i got off the couch and ran into the kitchen where my mother was, and i stayed near her . i did not tell her about it untill i was almost 30 years old. i told her about this because i had noticed my uncle was always dating women with young daughters. i was worried about what he might be doing. i had burried that incident of him touching me at 4 years old for so long. then one night me and my mother were looking over some of her family photos and there he was sitting on a couch with a girlfriend of his and on his lap was a beautiful young girl no more than 4 or 5 yrs old.this awful feeling came over me and it triggered my memory of what he did to me [only once]. as we looked further at my mothers photos, i saw a pattern . so many women he had taken photographs with and there was always either 1 or 2 litlle girls included either on his lap or sitting between his legs.my uncle was a very handsome man at 6 ft ,lean body big brown eyes,full head of hair that he wore in a pompadour. he was always grooming himself and flexing his muscles,tight pants rolled sleeves ...pour on the aftershave and walk with a very deliberate stride...and he spoke very softly.when my memory triggered i was rooted to the spot...i felt i had to do something.so i found out the address of his current girlfriend, and i sent her a letter in detail. she did take heed and left him.. i did this with 2 other girlfriends of his also.

[Fairy1]

i was molested by my uncle when i was 4 years old [touched my private once] i got off the couch and ran into the kitchen where my mother was, and i stayed near her . i did not tell her about it untill i was almost 30 years old. i told her about this because i had noticed my uncle was always dating women with young daughters. i was worried about what he might be doing. i had burried that incident of him touching me at 4 years old for so long. then one night me and my mother were looking over some of her family photos and there he was sitting on a couch with a girlfriend of his and on his lap was a beautiful young girl no more than 4 or 5 yrs old.this awful feeling came over me and it triggered my memory of what he did to me [only once]. as we looked further at my mothers photos, i saw a pattern . so many women he had taken photographs with and there was always either 1 or 2 litlle girls included either on his lap or sitting between his legs.my uncle was a very handsome man at 6 ft ,lean body big brown eyes,full head of hair that he wore in a pompadour. he was always grooming himself and flexing his muscles,tight pants rolled sleeves ...pour on the aftershave and walk with a very deliberate stride...and he spoke very softly.when my memory triggered i was rooted to the spot...i felt i had to do something.so i found out the address of his current girlfriend, and i sent her a letter in detail. she did take heed and left him.. i did this with 2 other girlfriends of his also.

Good for you - at least you did something!!!! These guys are slick and they give the truly good guys in the world a bad name. They know how to get what they want and a 4-year-old is no match for them. I applaud you for taking a stance....:blowkiss:

[MoonFlwr]

i was molested by my uncle when i was 4 years old [touched my private once] i got off the couch and ran into the kitchen where my mother was, and i stayed near her . i did not tell her about it untill i was almost 30 years old. i told her about this because i had noticed my uncle was always dating women with young daughters. i was worried about what he might be doing. i had burried that incident of him touching me at 4 years old for so long. then one night me and my mother were looking over some of her family photos and there he was sitting on a couch with a girlfriend of his and on his lap was a beautiful young girl no more than 4 or 5 yrs old.this awful feeling came over me and it triggered my memory of what he did to me [only once]. as we looked further at my mothers photos, i saw a pattern . so many women he had taken photographs with and there was always either 1 or 2 litlle girls included either on his lap or sitting between his legs.my uncle was a very handsome man at 6 ft ,lean body big brown eyes,full head of hair that he wore in a pompadour. he was always grooming himself and flexing his muscles,tight pants rolled sleeves ...pour on the aftershave and walk with a very deliberate stride...and he spoke very softly.when my memory triggered i was rooted to the spot...i felt i had to do something.so i found out the address of his current girlfriend, and i sent her a letter in detail. she did take heed and left him.. i did this with 2 other girlfriends of his also.

Wow! Thanks for sharing your story, marly. :rose:

So glad you took action when your memory was jogged! :heart:

[Lola]

BTW, bebo is another social networking site. Bebo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebo), but the initials scenario makes more sense to me.

[eris]

Thank you, Busylady! I had cross referenced it also, but thought that it was odd that it was a Raymond 'C'. There has been so much deception in this case by KG, RG, and MJ that I thought it was possible that it was RG. They are such liars in their web of deceit!

Thanks again!


Try Veromi.Net for Raymond Cagnon

5. CAGNON, RAYMOND A (Age 40) (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=RAYMOND;;A;;CAGNON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;37 0399459;;&2=name&3=people&4=9&5=raymond;;;;cagnon;;;;;;;;;;;;&rc=10)
Associated names:
GAGNON, RAYMOND
Available(2)AvailableCARIBOU, MEPossible Relatives:
GAGNON, DELORIS M (Age 70) (http://www.veromi.net/order.asp?1=DELORIS;;M;;GAGNON;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;27 831719&2=name&3=people&4=9&5=raymond;;;;cagnon;;;;;;;;;;;;&rc=10&rel=Y)

[eris]

The Ray living with Carmen is Raymond C, not the same RG.

hi Busylady

Do you have Raymond C's last name?

[Starr58]

Offenders Required to Register: The Sex Offender Registry Law applies to persons convicted of the following crimes if the person was:
• convicted in Vermont on or after July 1, 1996
• convicted in Vermont or another state PRIOR to July 1, 1996, confined under the custody of the Commissioner of Corrections, and released from confinement in Vermont on or after July 1, 1996
• convicted in Vermont or another state PRIOR to July 1, 1996, and was being supervised in the community in Vermont by the Commissioner of Corrections on July 1, 1996
• convicted or released from confinement in another state on or after July 1, 1986 and who established residence in this state on or after July 1, 1996. An individual is considered to have established a residence in Vermont if they remain in the state for more than 10 consecutive days

A non-resident sex offender who moves to Vermont for full or part time employment or to attend school or college on a full or part-time basis must also register.

The crimes for which offenders must register include:
• Sexual assault
• Aggravated sexual assault
• Lewd and lascivious conduct
• Sexual activity by a caregiver

In addition, the Sex Offender Registry Law applies to persons convicted of any of the following offenses against a victim who is a minor:
• Any offense listed above
• Kidnapping
• Lewd and lascivious conduct with a child
• Sexual exploitation of children
• Procurement or solicitation for prostitution

Conduct which is criminal only because of the age of the victim shall not be considered an offense for purposes of the registry if the perpetrator is under the age of 18
Information Collected: Name; date of birth; general physical description; current address; Social Security number; fingerprints; current photograph; current employment; conviction record, including offense, date of conviction, sentence and any conditions of release or probation.
Administrating Agency: State Department of Public Safety, Department of Corrections.
Timeframe for Registration: Effective September 1, 2001, Vermont adopted Lifetime Registration for Recidivist, Sexual Assault, and Aggravated Sexual Assault. Any registerable offense. An offender must also register if they are attending school, employed or carrying on a vocation in Vermont.

Within 10 days after establishing residence in this state, if convicted in another state, annually within 10 days after each anniversary of the person's date of release, or within 10 days after the anniversary of the person's date of establishment of residence in Vermont if convicted elsewhere, except, if a person is determined to be a sexually violent predator, that person shall report to the department every 90 days; and within three days after any change of address.
Applies to Out of State Offenders: Yes
Duration of Requirement: Offenders must comply with the above requirements for 10 years from the date they are discharged from the supervision of the Vermont Department of Corrections. If they have been designated a Sexually Violent Predator by the court, they must comply with the above requirements until the court orders termination of the designation. Verification of Address: At least once a year they will receive a form letter from VCIC verifying their current address. They must complete the form and return it to VCIC within 10 days.
Penalties for Non-Compliance: Failure to comply with any of the requirements indicated above is grounds for a warrant to be issued for the registrant's arrest. If a registrant is convicted of failing to comply with the law they could be imprisoned for not more than two years and/or fined not more than $1,000. A second or subsequent offense could result in a sentence to imprisonment of no more than three years and/or a fine of not more than $5,000.
Access to Information: Not all information in the registry is available to the public. The public may contact local law enforcement, the registry or search online. Specific information is available to law enforcement only.
Confidentiality Provision: Any person who uses information in this registry to injure, harass, or commit a criminal offense against any person included in the registry or any other person is subject to criminal prosecution.”
Number Registered: 2,439 as of 7/10/07
Percent Compliance: 98%
Internet Access: http://www.dps.state.vt.us/cjs/s_registry.htm

[Starr58]

Sex Offenders convicted prior to 1996 are not registered in Vermont. YIKES!!!:rolleyes:

Vermont Sex Offender Registry does not provide last known address!!! DOUBLE YIKES!!!!:furious:

[ZOOL]

I have not found any discussion regarding bebo.com. An advanced google search of that website, using "bmb loves" produces some interesting results.

Someone with access, may find it worthwhile to look deeper.

bebo.com is a social networking website upon which there are several interesting "hits" for the expression bmb loves u. That in itself is not overly concerning --although the capitalization, spelling, and association of words is fairly indigenous to Brooke. What is more concerning is that Brooke used "SaVaNnAh" [IIRC] in a Myspace location, and there are several interesting uses of "capitalization, spelling, and association" on the bebo.com location:

The first comes from someone named <REDACTED>

[1] <REDACTED>_ftw>bmb loves u lik crazyyyyy & miss u sooooooo much aven seen ya in ages :( :( :( :( x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x ....
upload.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=19907276

The second uses the lower caps for bmb loves

[2] Bernie.C <-BuBBle-x>Course darlin i always hav a gd we nyt haha god im wel dyin ni lyk feel so tird lyk haha wat ya doin d nyt en lv jus chilin in supose haha sur bmb loves ...
.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=250851721 -

The third uses the combination of upper-lower caps

[3] Ox.Créna.Ox. <xxcrenaxx>bmb Loves ya SaRaH xX. 2 week ago. Gagagagagaga wdc magee hows it hangin any gd?? its powerful ovr here its boilin aswell fs bit too warm i got sun stroke ...
.bebo2nd.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=17773335


Finally, if you do an advanced google search solely on the bebo.com website for the expression bmb loves u you get four hits:

[1] SeXy_MuLf <jennifermcparland>alright luv never even of these,,so hows life lol bmb loves u paula xXxX have sum red gear !!!!! 14 weeks ago. Isobel well hoe fs u ever on this hing lol ...
.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4439080786 -

[2] Emma Beck <teenangelxxuk>... watever ur wearin on ya in ur house ya can do ur make up anol down here.ya in ur mums or ur own house tomorro wen i pick ya up??bmb loves u long time! ...
.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=1479606132 -

[3] Josh Long <Baldmyster>hiya darlin wuu2.. hows u? hu u lovin ? wel bmb .. loves u.. n share bk x. 15 hour ago via Mobile · Mizz-Chelsea-O'Connor hello hunni...x wuu2..x ...
.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=4773663286 -

[4] Maria Monaghan <mariaginger>here so i hear ur goin ayia napa can i cum????????????????? well get bk 2 me asap so i can start packin lol bmb loves u xx. 3 week ago ...
.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=14509244 -

I asked about bebo.com merely because I was interested to see if anyone here had any knowledge of bebo and could perhaps persue this line further.

I will add "this is probably nonsense" so no one needs to point that out. :blowkiss:

I believe that the expression bebo me back would not be consistent with the following two words: loves u

[IMBY]

All of those profiles appear to be in UK/Ireland

[Lola]

IIRC Michael Birch (the guy that founded bebo) is a Brit.

[texas48]

A good welcome to you Carolina. :blowkiss:

[Elley Mae]

I just spent some time looking back over previous post and news site,etc in reference to the affidavit, if we are to believe that Rauel is really MJ talking to AR then why would he have asked her to get (collection) from Juv2 and the second source(blacked out).I'm confused, or was this his way of convincing her even more that Rauel existed,or to see if she was following orders be Rauel.

[Busylady]

Its Raymond C Gagnon - which is not in anyway connected in my opinion. Just another Raymond that lives in Texas.

hi Busylady

Do you have Raymond C's last name?

[lightinthedark]

I just spent some time looking back over previous post and news site,etc in reference to the affidavit, if we are to believe that Rauel is really MJ talking to AR then why would he have asked her to get (collection) from Juv2 and the second source(blacked out).I'm confused, or was this his way of convincing her even more that Rauel existed,or to see if she was following orders be Rauel.

The way it was worded, made me believe that Rauel was telling AR to get a collection from Juv2 and to "get some" from (blacked out)... "get some" meaning sex. That's how I took it, I could be wrong. JMO.

[believe09]

i was molested by my uncle when i was 4 years old [touched my private once] i got off the couch and ran into the kitchen where my mother was, and i stayed near her . i did not tell her about it untill i was almost 30 years old. i told her about this because i had noticed my uncle was always dating women with young daughters. i was worried about what he might be doing. i had burried that incident of him touching me at 4 years old for so long. then one night me and my mother were looking over some of her family photos and there he was sitting on a couch with a girlfriend of his and on his lap was a beautiful young girl no more than 4 or 5 yrs old.this awful feeling came over me and it triggered my memory of what he did to me [only once]. as we looked further at my mothers photos, i saw a pattern . so many women he had taken photographs with and there was always either 1 or 2 litlle girls included either on his lap or sitting between his legs.my uncle was a very handsome man at 6 ft ,lean body big brown eyes,full head of hair that he wore in a pompadour. he was always grooming himself and flexing his muscles,tight pants rolled sleeves ...pour on the aftershave and walk with a very deliberate stride...and he spoke very softly.when my memory triggered i was rooted to the spot...i felt i had to do something.so i found out the address of his current girlfriend, and i sent her a letter in detail. she did take heed and left him.. i did this with 2 other girlfriends of his also.

You are very brave. Has your uncle indicated to anyone in your family that your letter are taking place?

[texas48]

The way it was worded, made me believe that Rauel was telling AR to get a collection from Juv2 and to "get some" from (blacked out)... "get some" meaning sex. That's how I took it, I could be wrong. JMO.
Was it ever comfirmed by LE that Raul did not exsist and that these "members" were made up by MJ?

[lightinthedark]

Was it ever comfirmed by LE that Raul did not exsist and that these "members" were made up by MJ?

LE stated that Raul's email was only accessed from MJ's home and work. And I think they mentioned from only his computers?? Anyone remember? Also, MJ told LE that the Chevy_21 (known as "E") email address was his.

[Medea]

LE stated that Raul's email was only accessed from MJ's home and work. And I think they mentioned from only his computers?? Anyone remember? Also, MJ told LE that the Chevy_21 (known as "E") email address was his.

That's what I remember..all emails sent from Jacques computers...but I don't remember him admitting that Chevy was his email address.

[SailorMoon]

Morning all. Catching up after being sick for a couple of days. Has anything new come out? Official COD, anyone "officially" charged with murder - etc.?? Thanks.

[Hailiejade77]

Morning all. Catching up after being sick for a couple of days. Has anything new come out? Official COD, anyone "officially" charged with murder - etc.?? Thanks.

nothing yet SailorMoon. I have a feeling that we aren't going to get any more new information for quite some time. I think they are going to keep everything to themselves for awhile.

[lightinthedark]

That's what I remember..all emails sent from Jacques computers...but I don't remember him admitting that Chevy was his email address.

Him admitting to the Chevy email address is in the affidavit with all of the emails.

[LI_Mom]

Morning all. Catching up after being sick for a couple of days. Has anything new come out? Official COD, anyone "officially" charged with murder - etc.?? Thanks.

Nothing at all new.


I think LE will announce her COD when the results are in & announce any new charges they file & that's about all.

I doubt the FBI cares that the public is interested in following any new developments. Unless it might serve to help them find missing info they need, the FBI's ONLY concern is bringing this case to trial & in pursuing the CP trail left by MJ & RG.

[marly56]

You are very brave. Has your uncle indicated to anyone in your family that your letter are taking place?
i wrote the letters anonymously. a great way to get ones point across without the burden.

[SailorMoon]

Thanks for the replies. So I assume then that AR is still with Denise? ((((scratching head hard on that one))))

[Starr58]

I have to admit that I find it frustrating and insulting to Brooke that there has been no known action taken on this case other than searching a dump for a safe and determining this was a homicide.

My fear is that they cannot prove or determine who actually commited the homicide. Could of been numerous or many people. I know it appears to have been MJ but it needs to be proven and if it could be proven that he was the one regardless of the cause it would seem he would have been charged by now. No?

maybe I am being too impatient...

[Medea]

I have to admit that I find it frustrating and insulting to Brooke that there has been no known action taken on this case other than searching a dump for a safe and determining this was a homicide.

My fear is that they cannot prove or determine who actually commited the homicide. Could of been numerous or many people. I know it appears to have been MJ but it needs to be proven and if it could be proven that he was the one regardless of the cause it would seem he would have been charged by now. No?

maybe I am being too impatient...

I'd say right now there is enough evidence to prove Jacques committed the murder based only on what is known publicly: detailed plan to abduct and rape her, testimony placing Brooke last alive in his home, planting false evidence, history of sex crimes. I suspect they already also have the cause of death as well as statements from Juvenile 2, more statements from AR and possibly more statements from Gagnon. And if he had help, the other accomplices would be likewise charged with murder whether they actively participated or not...under the joint venture rule the state doesn't even have to know who committed the murder to get a conviction, but of course it helps.

I'd also say that the FBI investigation spanning at least 3 states is evidence that they are leaving no stone unturned in getting evidence against Jacques and Gagnon.

What's the rush? Jacques isn't going anywhere and neither is Gagnon. My feeling is they are going to wait until they have ALL the charges ready to go, rather than doing it piecemeal.

[Starr58]

Did they ever find MJ’s computer hard drive to his desktop? I remember he lied and said it was being repaired. Seems impossible that it would be in the missing safe. hmmmmm wonder ???:rolleyes:

[LI_Mom]

I'd say right now there is enough evidence to prove Jacques committed the murder based only on what is known publicly: detailed plan to abduct and rape her, testimony placing Brooke last alive in his home, planting false evidence, history of sex crimes. I suspect they already also have the cause of death as well as statements from Juvenile 2, more statements from AR and possibly more statements from Gagnon. And if he had help, the other accomplices would be likewise charged with murder whether they actively participated or not...under the joint venture rule the state doesn't even have to know who committed the murder to get a conviction, but of course it helps.

I'd also say that the FBI investigation spanning at least 3 states is evidence that they are leaving no stone unturned in getting evidence against Jacques and Gagnon.

What's the rush? Jacques isn't going anywhere and neither is Gagnon. My feeling is they are going to wait until they have ALL the charges ready to go, rather than doing it piecemeal.

ITA!!



It's the defendants that usually benefit from a 'speedy trial.' Sometimes it's a smart tactic to force them to try you fast BEFORE they can gather all the evidence they need.

Once they formally announce charges.... the clock starts ticking.

[LI_Mom]

Did they ever find MJ’s computer hard drive to his desktop? I remember he lied and said it was being repaired. Seems impossible that it would be in the missing safe. hmmmmm wonder ???:rolleyes:

They checked Best Buy & learned it was never taken there.

If it ever existed, good luck finding it. He could have buried it somewhere, mailed it somewhere, dumped it somewhere.


For the life of me, I don't understand why these freaks download CP onto their actual computers... it makes no sense.

It makes much more sense that they'd download stuff ONLY onto removable drives so there's no trace on their computers & it's easier to hide.

[texas48]

I have to admit that I find it frustrating and insulting to Brooke that there has been no known action taken on this case other than searching a dump for a safe and determining this was a homicide.

My fear is that they cannot prove or determine who actually commited the homicide. Could of been numerous or many people. I know it appears to have been MJ but it needs to be proven and if it could be proven that he was the one regardless of the cause it would seem he would have been charged by now. No?

maybe I am being too impatient...We are all impatient but All has to understand that LE/FBI is working on this case 24/7. Just because we don't see headlines of information does not mean they are not doing their job. The authorities are doing their job. There is alot to this case..maybe more than WE will ever know and maybe more than we want to know. FBI will keep most info close to their chest but THEY are doing their job. TRUST !!!!!

[texas48]

Did anyone watch the O'Reilly Factor last night? What a great show. He vows not to let up on Vt. or the Gov. Was a great interview. You Go O'Reilly!:woohoo:

[lightinthedark]

We are all impatient but All has to understand that LE/FBI is working on this case 24/7. Just because we don't see headlines of information does not mean they are not doing their job. The authorities are doing their job. There is alot to this case..maybe more than WE will ever know and maybe more than we want to know. FBI will keep most info close to their chest but THEY are doing their job. TRUST !!!!!

I don't believe anyone is doubting that LE/FBI is doing their job and working on this 24/7.

[Rhett]

Well has anyone heard a word out of MJ's wifes mouth? Is she supporting him? Also Brooke's mother, I have only heard her speak maybe twice. Are they supporting this jerk?

[Hailiejade77]

Well has anyone heard a word out of MJ's wifes mouth? Is she supporting him? Also Brooke's mother, I have only heard her speak maybe twice. Are they supporting this jerk?

I can't remember who it was on here, but they know someone that is a family friend of the Jacques and they said that Denise is NOT supporting MJ at all. It is somewhere on this forum or the thread before it. I just don't have the time to find it,.. lol :crazy:

[christine2448]

I can't remember who it was on here, but they know someone that is a family friend of the Jacques and they said that Denise is NOT supporting MJ at all. It is somewhere on this forum or the thread before it. I just don't have the time to find it,.. lol :crazy:

It was lightinthedark

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Quote:
Originally Posted by miss lisa http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2379396#post2379396)
I would like to know which side she is standing on at the moment. AR's or MJ's....

I heard from a friend of the family that Denise is NOT on mj's side at all.

[madge]

I am really surprised that there is not any news on this case. NG usually covers these and she hasn't had anything on since the arrests.

First post here BTW. Thanks moderators and forum owners.

[lightinthedark]

I can't remember who it was on here, but they know someone that is a family friend of the Jacques and they said that Denise is NOT supporting MJ at all. It is somewhere on this forum or the thread before it. I just don't have the time to find it,.. lol :crazy:

That was me. I haven't heard anything about Cassandra being supportive of him, I can't imagine that she is. Then again, this case has been freakishly twisted from the get go, so who knows.

[lightinthedark]

I am really surprised that there is not any news on this case. NG usually covers these and she hasn't had anything on since the arrests.

First post here BTW. Thanks moderators and forum owners.

Welcome Madge :wave:

[Lola]

No comments from anyone in the family is the best for the Prosecutor at this point. They need to get as much information and evidence as possible, but it does not need to be in the public domain.

[dark_shadows]

Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[calidreamin]

Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Thank you for the info d s you are a sweetheart!:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[lightinthedark]

Thanks for the link Dark_Shadows :)



Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

Dearest Calidreamin and Lightinthedark,:blowkiss:
You are both so very welcome.

I thought that ones here would like to watch the updates live and as it happens.
I also posted it on the Federal charges discussion thread for all to discuss the outcome of the court appearances.


Love and Respect for the both of you,
dark_shadows

[miss lisa]

Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Do you know if there will be any form of cameras allowed in the courtroom for Gagon?

[miss lisa]

That was me. I haven't heard anything about Cassandra being supportive of him, I can't imagine that she is. Then again, this case has been freakishly twisted from the get go, so who knows.

lightinthedarK,:blowkiss:
Has your source said how AR's little sister is handling the situation? Does she know that her daddy is in jail & why?:confused:

[Elley Mae]

Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows
Thanks for the information D_S you are wonderful

[lightinthedark]

lightinthedarK,:blowkiss:
Has your source said how AR's little sister is handling the situation? Does she know that her daddy is in jail & why?:confused:

Good question.
No, my source has not mentioned anything about any of the children. My source hasn't revealed much aside from DJ not being supportive of MJ.
Wish I had more info.

[close_enough]

Just to let people know the court times for Gagnon and Jacques.

Thursday at 2pm for Gagnon and thursday 3pm for Jacques.
WPTZ will be broadcasting on their Livestream video outside of the courthouse.
The link;

http://www.wptz.com/video/11306790/index.html


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

bumping this up....hope someone will keep bumping this thru Thursday, or i'll forget....

[dark_shadows]

Do you know if there will be any form of cameras allowed in the courtroom for Gagon?
Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
Last I knew, no cameras are allowed in the courtroom, that is why WPTZ will be outside. The Feds are very strict about this.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Thanks for the information D_S you are wonderful

My dearest Elley Mae,:blowkiss:
All of my Love to you my dear.


Yours truly,
dark_shadows

[dark_shadows]

bumping this up....hope someone will keep bumping this thru Thursday, or i'll forget....
My dear sweet Close,:blowkiss:
You are simply the best.

When I get out of work, I will go to the thread link below to find out what happened.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66884


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[miss lisa]

Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
Last I knew, no cameras are allowed in the courtroom, that is why WPTZ will be outside. The Feds are very strict about this.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows



My dearest Elley Mae,:blowkiss:
All of my Love to you my dear.


Yours truly,
dark_shadows

dark :blowkiss:
I know nothing about the courthouse there, will they be taking RG & MJ into the courthouse some back way or a covered entrance for patrol cars? OR at an entrance where the news cameras can get a clear shot????

[dark_shadows]

dark :blowkiss:
I know nothing about the courthouse there, will they be taking RG & MJ into the courthouse some back way or a covered entrance for patrol cars? OR at an entrance where the news cameras can get a clear shot????
Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
The U.S. Marshals will escort them to the building. The transport vehicles have tinted glass, so that photos could not be taken upon their arrival to the courthouse. They are not transported by Vermont DOC, they are transported my the U.S. Marshal Service.
I never escorted inmates to the Federal Courthouse, we did not do that. In other courthouses, there was always a garage that we went into out of public eye.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Mohabi]

sounds great but why are not the laws already in place being used. also why all the red tape? why all the foot dragging? why all the behind closed doors meetings? it seems so clear that if someone harms a child the way these freaks do, they should be locked AWAY from civil society.i have to wonder WHO these lawmakers really are, when they turn their head on some of these cases. what are THEY made of?

I hate to say this but all of this would be unnecessary if they'd get the DP after the FIRST time. They can't be fixed anyway and paying for their support for 25 years is money we could all spend on something a lot more worthwhile.

[christine2448]

enuff w/the mushies.....dearest this and kisses that.....yuck. :blowkiss: ;) :sick:

[philamena]

I am really surprised that there is not any news on this case. NG usually covers these and she hasn't had anything on since the arrests.

First post here BTW. Thanks moderators and forum owners.


You're right madge. I haven't heard a word about Brooke's murder in a few days.
BTW-Welcome to WS.

[dark_shadows]

enuff w/the mushies.....dearest this and kisses that.....yuck. :blowkiss: ;) :sick:
That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.

[Jaded]

i was molested by my uncle when i was 4 years old [touched my private once] i got off the couch and ran into the kitchen where my mother was, and i stayed near her . i did not tell her about it untill i was almost 30 years old. i told her about this because i had noticed my uncle was always dating women with young daughters. i was worried about what he might be doing. i had burried that incident of him touching me at 4 years old for so long. then one night me and my mother were looking over some of her family photos and there he was sitting on a couch with a girlfriend of his and on his lap was a beautiful young girl no more than 4 or 5 yrs old.this awful feeling came over me and it triggered my memory of what he did to me [only once]. as we looked further at my mothers photos, i saw a pattern . so many women he had taken photographs with and there was always either 1 or 2 litlle girls included either on his lap or sitting between his legs.my uncle was a very handsome man at 6 ft ,lean body big brown eyes,full head of hair that he wore in a pompadour. he was always grooming himself and flexing his muscles,tight pants rolled sleeves ...pour on the aftershave and walk with a very deliberate stride...and he spoke very softly.when my memory triggered i was rooted to the spot...i felt i had to do something.so i found out the address of his current girlfriend, and i sent her a letter in detail. she did take heed and left him.. i did this with 2 other girlfriends of his also.
Marly, thank you for sharing that. I think it is great that you sent letters to his girlfriends.

I haven't been online for a few days and am trying to catch up. LOTS of reading to do!

[KatK]

enuff w/the mushies.....dearest this and kisses that.....yuck. :blowkiss: ;) :sick:

:blowkiss:

I dunno, I think maybe the world could use more tender hearts. It is sad, if you really think about it, that it is uncommon enough for people to be affectionate in their day to day interactions, that it inspires people to recoil and have mixed/negative reactions. The world has become more hardboiled. It's *SAD*! :twocents::twocents:

[christine2448]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.

Now you made me CRY! OMG! I was TOTALLY JOKING! You know better! Smootchies Boochies, kiss, kiss, hug, hugs! :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: We have joked about this many times in chat and I always pull out the trout when people get mushy! Oy Vey! Much love and respect for you!

[miss_vegemite]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.

Well I love the respect that you show to fellow posters DS. I really hope you don't change:blowkiss:

[Jeana (DP)]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.

Darlin, don't you DARE change one thing about yourself or the way you post. That was completely out of line and uncalled for. It may have been an attempt at humor, but I personally didn't think it was funny. You're much loved here and your posts have always been respectful and welcomed.

[christine2448]

Darlin, don't you DARE change one thing about yourself or the way you post. That was completely out of line and uncalled for. It may have been an attempt at humor, but I personally didn't think it was funny. You're much loved here and your posts have always been respectful and welcomed.


:razz:don't stir the pot.....if you knew me at all, you'd know that is a joke w/me and many in chat. I meant nothing and don't appreciate you 'calling me out' when I already feel like crap for hurting the feelings of ona my favorite posters here :razz:

I was trying to lighten up for a sec, in the lull.... and I apologize again. Jeesh.

[Tricia]

When someone unintentionally hurts someones feelings and that person apologizes then it should be all over.

We all know and love Christine. We know she wouldn't hurt a fly let alone any poster here on purpose.

When I read what she wrote I laughed because I know Christine.

Christine has apologized. If someone has a problem with that for some reason please contact me. Otherwise, carry on.

Tricia

[Starr58]

:razz:don't stir the pot.....if you knew me at all, you'd know that is a joke w/me and many in chat. I meant nothing and don't appreciate you 'calling me out' when I already feel like crap for hurting the feelings of ona my favorite posters here :razz:

I was trying to lighten up for a sec, in the lull.... and I apologize again. Jeesh.


*spank spank* Naughty naughty.....:bang:

[Fairy1]

Awww c'mon - we all know that Christine didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings! I, for one, appreciate her sense of humor just as much as I appreciate Dark Shadow's sweetness. We need them both! And not for nothing, but Christine has been pretty liberal with the hugs lately herself!

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: :blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[philamena]

dark_shadows,
(Come back after you eat dinner dear friend. )
Question, and I apologize if I somehow missed this if it was asked before :blush:, will cameras be allowed in the courtroom for the upcoming hearings?

Do you know if the 2 creeps are in solitary confinement?

[texas48]

enuff w/the mushies.....dearest this and kisses that.....yuck. :blowkiss: ;) :sick:Thanks christine..

[texas48]

You're right madge. I haven't heard a word about Brooke's murder in a few days.
BTW-Welcome to WS.
It has been on the O'Reilly Factor everynight. Last night they were hounding the Governor last night. O'Reilly says they will continue to blast Vt. lawmakers.

[Spazkat9696]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.


DS please come back your knowledge of VT and the legal system there is priceless. I love you just the way you are :blowkiss:

[texas48]

:razz:don't stir the pot.....if you knew me at all, you'd know that is a joke w/me and many in chat. I meant nothing and don't appreciate you 'calling me out' when I already feel like crap for hurting the feelings of ona my favorite posters here :razz:

I was trying to lighten up for a sec, in the lull.... and I apologize again. Jeesh.It certainly helps to lighten up so thanks christine for trying to do that. Please don't feel like ......... We need more like you.

[Starr58]

As public servants, our most important responsibility is to protect the most vulnerable among us from harm. Children represent our greatest hope for a better tomorrow and it is heart-wrenching for all of us when we are confronted with cases of abuse – especially sexual abuse against children.

There has been a great deal of talk, finger-pointing and grandstanding in recent days regarding the tragedy of Brooke Bennett’s death. This does nothing to serve Brooke’s memory. This does nothing to address the failures of that particular case and, more importantly, it does nothing to protect children all across our state who deserve to grow up in a safe and loving community.

Last week, I called for an immediate and aggressive internal investigation surrounding a probation officer’s 2004 recommendation that a judge grant Michael Jacques an early discharge from probation. Both the position of the probation officer and decision of the judge in that case couldn’t have been more wrong. I have demanded an overhaul of the department’s policies and practices to ensure that no judge can irresponsibly use the misguided recommendation of a probation officer to release a repeat sex offender from probation.

While that investigation is underway, and until a full report is issued by the Department, I have ordered that under no circumstances will a probation or parole officer or any other individual, department or agency support the early release of any sex offender before they have served their maximum sentence.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/NEWS/813679555

[MoonFlwr]

dark_shadows,
(Come back after you eat dinner dear friend. )
Question, and I apologize if I somehow missed this if it was asked before :blush:, will cameras be allowed in the courtroom for the upcoming hearings?

Do you know if the 2 creeps are in solitary confinement?

Not sure if you have read back on this thread, philamena, but DS posted this earlier...(pg 2 of this thread)

Originally Posted by dark_shadows View Post
'My very dearest Liz,
Hello my friend!

Jacques and Gagnon are in state facilities, being held as Federal detainees.
You will not find either one in the BOP listings due to the fact that they are secured in the 2 state facilities until they are sentenced and transported to a Federal Holding Facility. Once there, it will be determined what their main facility will be. If they are sententenced to death, they would most likely end up in the Indiana Federal Facility. I say again, most likely.

Due to the fact that the Feds pay the state of Vermont for a certain amount of beds for detainee holding and detainee release, they are on the headcount of the State of Vermont.
Jacques is in the Northwest Correctional Facility in St. Albans. There is a unit that is a lockdown unit. When a detainee enters that facility, they automatically go to that secure unit. These are 1 man cells. They are assigned a caseworker. They are allowed out of their cell for 1 hour recreation in a secured hallway and to use the phone (collect calls). If their behavior has been found acceptable, or if they are not on PC status, after a period of time, they can exercise in a bullpen or watch tv in a secured room.

As far as Gagnon goes, he is being held in the Chittenden Regional Correctional Facility in South Burlington. He is held in the segragation unit and is only allowed out for 1 hour a day. He would do the 1 hour excercise in the hallway where his cell is. They are 2 man cells, but I believe that Gagnon is being held with no cellmate. That is how it was when Brian Rooney was housed in the same unit.'

I hope this helps.


Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

[Tom'sGirl]

It certainly helps to lighten up so thanks christine for trying to do that. Please don't feel like ......... We need more like you.
:other_beatingA_DeadLets move on shall we?

[miss lisa]

As public servants, our most important responsibility is to protect the most vulnerable among us from harm. Children represent our greatest hope for a better tomorrow and it is heart-wrenching for all of us when we are confronted with cases of abuse – especially sexual abuse against children.

There has been a great deal of talk, finger-pointing and grandstanding in recent days regarding the tragedy of Brooke Bennett’s death. This does nothing to serve Brooke’s memory. This does nothing to address the failures of that particular case and, more importantly, it does nothing to protect children all across our state who deserve to grow up in a safe and loving community.

Last week, I called for an immediate and aggressive internal investigation surrounding a probation officer’s 2004 recommendation that a judge grant Michael Jacques an early discharge from probation. Both the position of the probation officer and decision of the judge in that case couldn’t have been more wrong. I have demanded an overhaul of the department’s policies and practices to ensure that no judge can irresponsibly use the misguided recommendation of a probation officer to release a repeat sex offender from probation.

While that investigation is underway, and until a full report is issued by the Department, I have ordered that under no circumstances will a probation or parole officer or any other individual, department or agency support the early release of any sex offender before they have served their maximum sentence.
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/NEWS/813679555



"I have ordered that under no circumstances will a probation or parole officer or any other individual, department or agency support the early release of any sex offender before they have served their maximum sentence."
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
It's about time!!!

[Starr58]

Listen to a broadcast of Vermont Attorney General Bill Sorrell explain his position on Jessica's Law.

http://www.vpr.net/episode/44000/

In the wake of Brooke Bennett's death, we take a closer look at Vermont's sex offender laws. The body of the 12-year-old Braintree girl was found last week, and federal prosecutors have charged her uncle with kidnapping. Now, some lawmakers are calling for an investigation into the state's sex offender laws, and for the passage of "Jessica's Law", which requires a 25-year minimum sentence for sex offenders. Attorney General Bill Sorrell explains Vermont's current sex offender laws, how they've changed, and why Vermont has a national reputation as being lenient on offenders. (Listen

[philamena]

Not sure if you have read back on this thread, philamena, but DS posted this earlier...(pg 2 of this thread)




MoonFlwr :blowkiss:
Thanks for posting that for me. I really appreciate it.

[Starr58]

Tuesday July 15, 2008
Bob Kinzel

Montpelier, Vt.

Senate Democratic leaders have unveiled plans to hold 6 public hearings in the coming months to investigate several different aspects of the Brooke Bennett murder case.

Senate President Peter Shumlin says one focus of the hearings will be to consider the effectiveness of the state's sex offender treatment program in reducing the rate of recidivism.

Shumlin wants the Senate Judiciary committee to review the state's treatment program to determine if it reduces re-offending rates.

Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.

Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over
50%:

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/81326/

[Fairy1]

Tuesday July 15, 2008
Bob Kinzel

Montpelier, Vt.

Senate Democratic leaders have unveiled plans to hold 6 public hearings in the coming months to investigate several different aspects of the Brooke Bennett murder case.

Senate President Peter Shumlin says one focus of the hearings will be to consider the effectiveness of the state's sex offender treatment program in reducing the rate of recidivism.

Shumlin wants the Senate Judiciary committee to review the state's treatment program to determine if it reduces re-offending rates.

Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.

Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over
50%:

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/81326/

N.O. W.A.Y. Sorry - but this can't be true. This cannot possibly be based on violent sex offenders....IMO. My guess is, they lump in 18 yo boyfriends having consensual sex with their 16 or 17 year old girlfriends and that completely changes the curve. Anyone who spends the slightest amount of time on Websleuths knows that these guys cannot be fixed. I would love to see what the treatment program entails. MJ devised an elaborate plan to molest a young girl (at least!). That alone should prove how determined these freaks are in their evil endeavors. When are the "authorities" EVER going to get it?


:confused::confused::confused:

[becca]

Good question, but a better one is how many more children have to be murdered by these POS before someone realizes they can't be fixed. They do not all the sudden become normal... they are hardwired wrong. Therapy will not fix it.

[DianeB]

Tuesday July 15, 2008
Bob Kinzel
Montpelier, Vt.

Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.

http://www.vpr.net/news_detail/81326/
Are they measuring the recidivism rate of these offenders as it applies only to the Vermont jail system, or is he saying that only 5% will be re-incarcerated anywhere?

It's easy to manipulate statistics to reflect whatever point of view you're promoting.

[becca]

Are they measuring the recidivism rate of these offenders as it applies only to the Vermont jail system, or is he saying that only 5% will be re-incarcerated anywhere?

It's easy to manipulate statistics to reflect whatever point of view you're promoting.
When you are in charge of them you can do that and pat yourself on the back at the same time... and not loose your balance... isn't life grand ?
Sometimes I think the officials should be locked up too. :banghead:

[Salem]

Yes it is easy to manipulate statistics. It would be nice to get a copy of his report to see what he based his number on!

Salem

[Fairy1]

Are they measuring the recidivism rate of these offenders as it applies only to the Vermont jail system, or is he saying that only 5% will be re-incarcerated anywhere?

It's easy to manipulate statistics to reflect whatever point of view you're promoting.

Good point. And yes, they will say anything to be re-elected. On the backs of our babies. Lovely.

[DianeB]

I think a little email to Bill O'Reilly is in order.

(I'm not a huge fan of his, but on this issue I think he's spot on.)

[Salem]

I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

[lightinthedark]

:clap: Good job!


I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

[Alcina]

I just sent the following email to the guy who wrote the story. Let's see if we get a reply:

"Mr. Kinzel - you recently wrote an article about Vermont's Senate holding 6 meeting regarding sex offender treatment programs. In that article you wrote the following:
"Corrections commissioner Rob Hoffman says the answer is yes. Based on a ten year study, he says convicted sex offenders who complete the program have one of the lowest recidivism rates of inmates in the entire Vermont jail system - the rate is roughly 5%.
Convicted offenders who refuse treatment are 6 times more likely to re-offend and the rate for the general prison population is just over 50%:"
My questions are: is there any way to get a copy of is report? Have you seen the report? If you have seen the report, can you explain the 5% reoffend rate? What is that number based on?
Any further information you provide would be greatly appreciated."

Salem

Awesome! :woohoo:

[becca]

Is this public servant appointed by the Gov of Vermont or how does he get to this job? I wish to know .... there is some information I think he should be aware of.

[Fairy1]

Is this public servant appointed by the Gov of Vermont or how does he get to this job? I wish to know .... there is some information I think he should be aware of.

Regardless of how he got his "job" - please do enlighten him! And anyone else who is deluded on this subject. :blowkiss:

[RR0004]

That is the way I have posted since I have been here.

I will not do it any longer. I did not know that you felt this way.

Sorry if I have offended anyone with my writing style.

My heart truly hurt when I read that post.
For your heart...which is HUGE btw...oxoxoxoxoxoxo

[RR0004]

:razz:don't stir the pot.....if you knew me at all, you'd know that is a joke w/me and many in chat. I meant nothing and don't appreciate you 'calling me out' when I already feel like crap for hurting the feelings of ona my favorite posters here :razz:

I was trying to lighten up for a sec, in the lull.... and I apologize again. Jeesh.
FWIW...I knew you meant it in jest.
We've all been traumatized by reading this board for the last month. Some are having a harder time than others dealing with the stressors.
We should all take a collective deep breath...and exhale.

Hugs and kisses to all!

[LaLaw2000]

They checked Best Buy & learned it was never taken there.

If it ever existed, good luck finding it. He could have buried it somewhere, mailed it somewhere, dumped it somewhere.


For the life of me, I don't understand why these freaks download CP onto their actual computers... it makes no sense.

It makes much more sense that they'd download stuff ONLY onto removable drives so there's no trace on their computers & it's easier to hide.

I am back and just now getting caught up reading the posts.

Remember when LE was searching with a metal detector? It was in an article early on and I cannot find the reference to it. Does anyone else remember? Anyway, I do not feel that they were looking for Brooke's grave with a metal detector - I think they may have been looking for something else MJ buried. A hard drive, maybe? When this case goes to trial, we are going to find out so much about the whole thing!

We try to think logically and come up with answers, but MJ and RG (IMO) are so off the charts that logical does not apply to them!

[LaLaw2000]

Dearest Miss lisa,:blowkiss:
The U.S. Marshals will escort them to the building. The transport vehicles have tinted glass, so that photos could not be taken upon their arrival to the courthouse. They are not transported by Vermont DOC, they are transported my the U.S. Marshal Service.
I never escorted inmates to the Federal Courthouse, we did not do that. In other courthouses, there was always a garage that we went into out of public eye.

Love and Respect,
dark_shadows

Hi, dark_shadows!
Our courthouse has an underground drive into a basement area. Then a Federal Marshall comes down in the elevator, then goes back up with the inmate and transporting officers. The Federal Marshalls here have 2 'holding cells' in their offices - one for females and one for males.
dark_shadows, I see Gagnon will be in court first. Gagnon will have to be gone from the courthouse before Jacques arrives, won't he?
I will be very interested in what the outcome of the court appearances will be.
Thank you for all the information you have provided, dark_shadows!!! You are greatly appreciated!

[LaLaw2000]

As public servants, our most important responsibility is to protect the most vulnerable among us from harm. Children represent our greatest hope for a better tomorrow and it is heart-wrenching for all of us when we are confronted with cases of abuse – especially sexual abuse against children.

There has been a great deal of talk, finger-pointing and grandstanding in recent days regarding the tragedy of Brooke Bennett’s death. This does nothing to serve Brooke’s memory. This does nothing to address the failures of that particular case and, more importantly, it does nothing to protect children all across our state who deserve to grow up in a safe and loving community.

Last week, I called for an immediate and aggressive internal investigation surrounding a probation officer’s 2004 recommendation that a judge grant Michael Jacques an early discharge from probation. Both the position of the probation officer and decision of the judge in that case couldn’t have been more wrong. I have demanded an overhaul of the department’s policies and practices to ensure that no judge can irresponsibly use the misguided recommendation of a probation officer to release a repeat sex offender from probation.

While that investigation is underway, and until a full report is issued by the Department, I have ordered that under no circumstances will a probation or parole officer or any other individual, department or agency support the early release of any sex offender before they have served their maximum sentence.

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080715/NEWS/813679555

VERY good!! Now it needs to be KEPT that way. Change the laws NOW.

[miss lisa]

Could they have possibly been looking for the "machine" as well?

[LaLaw2000]

Could they have possibly been looking for the "machine" as well?

I don't know, miss lisa. Could be. Who knows since Jacques is so demented!

[miss lisa]

Further speculation of what LE could have been looking for with a metal detector:

The Machine he ordered
A weapon (knife/gun)
Hard drive
Metal lock box with videos/cash in it
hand cuffs

Anything else????

[LaLaw2000]

Further speculation of what LE could have been looking for with a metal detector:

The Machine he ordered
A weapon (knife/gun)
Hard drive
Metal lock box with videos/cash in it
hand cuffs

Anything else????


I think that would pretty well cover it! I do hope LE found whatever it was.

[SUPI]

I very much appreciate the link given for this interview. I listened to the interview in full. This was an excellent chance to see just what the thinking by the gov in Vermont. The tap dancing was spectacular, some of the best I've ever experienced. To summarize what I thought he had to say quickly, those who are targeted by these POSs should be careful. It is important that we realize they are out there and to take common sense care to protect our children. Jessica's law seems a bit harsh and the POSs will be afraid to confess making the prosecutors job harder to get a conviction. Talked about MJ and how he would have been treated under Vermont's new tougher laws they have today than when he was prosecuted for the kidnapping and sexual assault of a 18 year old. It sounds like he might have gotten another 2 years or so but nothing is mandatory. The Atny Gen pointed out that this was a case involving an 18 year old, and not a child. Lots of $ and time out there being used to coax the offender to confess since it is so hard to get a conviction when the child is unable, unwilling, to testify. He also mentions how hard it is when the child isn't able to sound convincing. If this guy has his way you will not see Jessica's law in Vermont. He glosses over DNA and other possible evidence in favor of the child's quality of telling their story on the stand.

Again, do not expect there to be any change here unless it is to do some cosmetic changes that will be aimed at making the taxpayer feel better. I'd be interested in some feed back.

[Elley Mae]

I had posted a couple days back that I thought it was a metal detector, after looking at it gain I then said that it appeared to be a light (uv). Maybe someone else could take a look.

[becca]

I very much appreciate the link given for this interview. I listened to the interview in full. This was an excellent chance to see just what the thinking by the gov in Vermont. The tap dancing was spectacular, some of the best I've ever experienced. To summarize what I thought he had to say quickly, those who are targeted by these POSs should be careful. It is important that we realize they are out there and to take common sense care to protect our children. Jessica's law seems a bit harsh and the POSs will be afraid to confess making the prosecutors job harder to get a conviction. Talked about MJ and how he would have been treated under Vermont's new tougher laws they have today than when he was pr