Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #12

[hannahsnana]

That's true, Evelyn, no sketch is going to be 100% accurate.

[concentric]

You can't get a much closer likeness, even if the guy were to be sitting right in front of you for a portrait.

I'd say the witness and artist did a great rendering. I've never seen a closer resemblence in a sketch.

We have to remember that the light also affects color and shape--the angle of sun and shadows.

[frogjustfrog]

Remembering, sorry, but I think it was on Topix, but someone once said POI could be on an Indian Reservation. Hmmmmm on Mapquest, this land where Fairfax and Gray Horse is, IS on Indian Reservation Land.

Also, thinking, if I drove by and saw someone standing along side a road and pickup, I dont think I could have given near the likness that this shows, between Byrd and POI sketch. I think the likeness is uncanny and I pray that this may finally be the break LE needs to put the puzzle all together.

[FlowerChild]

http://i37.tinypic.com/2wd3msx.jpg
Sideview shot in 2007/hair may be tucked inside his tee-shirt/slight bulge in back

His hair is at least past his shoulders (that lump is 6" long, at least, hair gets thinner toward the ends and it could taper to a much longer length that we can't see thru the shirt) - and by now (18 mos later) could be to the small of his back. Like I said, LE requires the hair be pulled off the face and neck in mug shots - in the T-shirt photo and the orange jumpsuit photo Byrd has his hair tucked into his collar - notice in the jumpsuit photo the collar is pulled up over his neck in back (like he's posing for a fashion shot). His hair LOOKS shorter but if you examine it closely, it's long and just "bent" into his shirt above the shoulder. That is not the ends of his hair - I can make my long hair look short too, the same way - just gather it up and leave it loose to my shoulders and hide the fastening...it looks shoulder length until you look closer and realize it isn't CUT at that length but gathered and turned under to appear that length. In those photos Byrd has long hair - and if he is traditional NA and doesn't cut his hair, it could easily be to his waist now.

Just look at the POI sketch - the hair is shown tucked under at the shoulders in that as well, even though we know his hair is waist length.

My Opinion

[GetSmart]

I can't get to my Photo Sop program It's not on my lap top this is the best I could do for now, it kinda gives us an idea

http://i38.tinypic.com/23uoh9u.jpg[/IMG]

[Tom'sGirl]

Remembering, sorry, but I think it was on Topix, but someone once said POI could be on an Indian Reservation.
Yes, that was posted here http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p238#c5234 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p238#c5234) by Sooner Magic who's now a poster here.

[concentric]

Makes you wonder what relationship the person who listed this information has to the investigation--and what that person risked by posting it.

[evelyn24]

Remembering, sorry, but I think it was on Topix, but someone once said POI could be on an Indian Reservation. Hmmmmm on Mapquest, this land where Fairfax and Gray Horse is, IS on Indian Reservation Land.

Also, thinking, if I drove by and saw someone standing along side a road and pickup, I dont think I could have given near the likness that this shows, between Byrd and POI sketch. I think the likeness is uncanny and I pray that this may finally be the break LE needs to put the puzzle all together.


Hmm...very interesting. Thanks for the information.
So many people contributing great info today!!!

[hannahsnana]

I am an Oklahoman, born and bred, and a card-carrying member of the Choctaw Nation. There are no "reservations" in Oklahoma today, but there are areas where tribes have their headquarters. Fairfax is in Osage County. So if he is a native of Fairfax, he is most likely of the Osage Tribe.

[evelyn24]

His hair is at least past his shoulders (that lump is 6" long, at least, hair gets thinner toward the ends and it could taper to a much longer length that we can't see thru the shirt) - and by now (18 mos later) could be to the small of his back. Like I said, LE requires the hair be pulled off the face and neck in mug shots - in the T-shirt photo and the orange jumpsuit photo Byrd has his hair tucked into his collar - notice in the jumpsuit photo the collar is pulled up over his neck in back (like he's posing for a fashion shot). His hair LOOKS shorter but if you examine it closely, it's long and just "bent" into his shirt above the shoulder. That is not the ends of his hair - I can make my long hair look short too, the same way - just gather it up and leave it loose to my shoulders and hide the fastening...it looks shoulder length until you look closer and realize it isn't CUT at that length but gathered and turned under to appear that length. In those photos Byrd has long hair - and if he is traditional NA and doesn't cut his hair, it could easily be to his waist now.

Just look at the POI sketch - the hair is shown tucked under at the shoulders in that as well, even though we know his hair is waist length.

My Opinion

I do believe you're right, and I thought it was tucked into his shirt/jumper at first too.
It is not the end of his hair showing in the pics...it's definitely tucked.
Also, do you know any man who has his hair in a bob cut?!?
lol

[GetSmart]

Boots @ topix posted this..........
Court records show Byrd just got divorce earlier this year and got to keep 94 Chevy pickup (didn't give color)



http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetC... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=162643&db=Rogers)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getp... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=6110431)

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php... (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=057-CF%20%200800097&County=057) -

[oceanblueeyes]

I do believe you're right, and I thought it was tucked into his shirt/jumper at first too.
It is not the end of his hair showing in the pics...it's definitely tucked.
Also, do you know any man who has his hair in a bob cut?!?
lol

I believe she is right too.

They also made him tuck his hair behind his ears so that his frontal and profile shots would be clearer.

It is tucked into his shirt because it is a perfect roll right around the top of the shirt. I bet he wears it just like the POI did. Loosely pulled back on the sides and long ponytail in back.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

Boots @ topix posted this..........
Court records show Byrd just got divorce earlier this year and got to keep 94 Chevy pickup (didn't give color)



http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetC... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=162643&db=Rogers)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getp... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=6110431)

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php... (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=057-CF%20%200800097&County=057) -

I see where there is a hearing set to end visitation.


Motion to Suspend Visitation(HEA) J. Dwayne Steidley
Wednesday, July 30, 2008 at 9:30 AM
NON JURY TRIAL(REV)

[hannahsnana]

Ocean, I see that the three addresses listed in his profile are in Tulsa, which is much closer to Weleetka than Fairfax.

[evelyn24]

This is getting interesting...a pickup, huh?
I bet it's white.
Something made LE bang this man's door down, and it's not because he wasn't on the SO registry.

[FlowerChild]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2739

I photoshopped the hat onto Byrd and showed his hair over his ears. Check it out!

My Opinion

[GetSmart]

The only thing would be if he was with his kids on Sunday but I doubt it. What do you think about the shooting in same county with the white pick up?

[Lucy's mom]

The guy from Topix that gave the information has been posting. Here goes...I included this morning's original note as well:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p312

"live and work in rural osage county. Today I was contacted by the US Marshal service in reference to a man that is sought for questioning in the murder of these two young girls. For the past 8 hours we've been conducting surveillance on a residence where he is supposed to reside in Fairfax Oklahoma. At approximately 0115 hrs. this man was located and arrested on a warrant for failure to register as a sex offender in Osage County. His name was William Henry Byrd. Being a father of 3 my heart goes out to the families involved. God bless."

"Mr. Byrd doesnt have a chevrolet pickup. Mr. Byrd drives a 1988 White Ford Extended Cab, Tag # Osage Nation 13303. It has a diamond plated tool box in the back, it also has red interior. After arresting Byrd on the failure to register warrant I called the Marshal Service told them we had Byrd in custody. I also told them that he was in a white ford pickup. I offered to tow the truck incident to arrest, even though he was arrested while exiting the vehicle in his driveway. The werent interested. Mr. Byrd is being sought for questioning in this case by the OSBI and at this point questioning only."

"as of this moment.n Byrd is still being held in jail. He was questioned this morning but i dont have any of the particulars yet. However i believe he goes before a judge at 3 pm today on the failure to register warrant."

[Lucy's mom]

Sounds like he's a cop. Also, he wanted the email/im to the private investigator in the group, Sam.

[frogjustfrog]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2739

I photoshopped the hat onto Byrd and showed his hair over his ears. Check it out!

My Opinion

Wow! Now can you pull the hair back, like it is in a loose ponytail, and flatten the top of the cap a little? I think it will show almost an exact match!

[evelyn24]

Edit!

[athy]

wow they do look alike

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2739

I photoshopped the hat onto Byrd and showed his hair over his ears. Check it out!

My Opinion


Thank you. I don't know why but when I look at him I feel so afraid. Afraid that he may be the last person these children ever saw before they died.

I keep remembering what Agent Brown said about someone in the "group" needs to call us. Maybe after all this time someone finally did. Maybe his ex-wife.

I am trying to be calm and just wait but it is so hard when we and the families have prayed so hard that justice will come for Taylor and Skyla.

imoo

[evelyn24]

The guy from Topix that gave the information has been posting. Here goes...I included this morning's original note as well:

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/ko...HAR4RS395/p312 (http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p312)
"live and work in rural osage county. Today I was contacted by the US Marshal service in reference to a man that is sought for questioning in the murder of these two young girls. For the past 8 hours we've been conducting surveillance on a residence where he is supposed to reside in Fairfax Oklahoma. At approximately 0115 hrs. this man was located and arrested on a warrant for failure to register as a sex offender in Osage County. His name was William Henry Byrd. Being a father of 3 my heart goes out to the families involved. God bless."

"Mr. Byrd doesnt have a chevrolet pickup. Mr. Byrd drives a 1988 White Ford Extended Cab, Tag # Osage Nation 13303. It has a diamond plated tool box in the back, it also has red interior. After arresting Byrd on the failure to register warrant I called the Marshal Service told them we had Byrd in custody. I also told them that he was in a white ford pickup. I offered to tow the truck incident to arrest, even though he was arrested while exiting the vehicle in his driveway. The werent interested. Mr. Byrd is being sought for questioning in this case by the OSBI and at this point questioning only."

"as of this moment.n Byrd is still being held in jail. He was questioned this morning but i dont have any of the particulars yet. However i believe he goes before a judge at 3 pm today on the failure to register warrant."

Interesting...so he does drive a white ford pickup. However, the Marshal Service wasn't interested in the pickup?
Is that odd?

[evelyn24]

Thank you. I don't know why but when I look at him I feel so afraid. Afraid that he may be the last person these children ever saw before they died.

I keep remembering what Agent Brown said about someone in the "group" needs to call us. Maybe after all this time someone finally did. Maybe his ex-wife.

I am trying to be calm and just wait but it is so hard when we and the families have prayed so hard that justice will come for Taylor and Skyla.

imoo

YES!! Also, didn't Skyla's dad or Taylor's dad (her GD) just recently use the term "group" or "the people hiding him" ...or something like that??

I don't know if Byrd is the POI, let alone the killer, but it looks like he is at least the POI.

[Albert18]

I wonder what his hair looks like right now?

[Claycat]

Here are some more photos. His hair was short in Oct. 2002. By July 2003, it was almost down to his shoulders, so it grows very fast.

http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=193967&offender_book_id=86856&imageindex=4

[frogjustfrog]

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=28318&county=osage&imageindex=5

hoping this pic will post. If not, it is pic number 5 of 8 on the Sex and Violent Crime Offender Registry. It even looks more like the POI, imo

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay maybe I missed it but when did he abscond and fail to register? He has to register every time he moves to another address, so did he recently move?

I wonder how old his kids are and if this marriage happened before he was sent to prison or after.

imoo

[Claycat]

LOL, Frog, we just posted the same link!

[Claycat]

Okay maybe I missed it but when did he abscond and fail to register? He has to register every time he moves to another address, so did he recently move?

I wonder how old his kids are and if this marriage happened before he was sent to prison or after.

imoo

Ocean, I just realized that the original post I made was the sex offender registry. He HAD registered.

This is it.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=28318&county=osage&imageindex=5

[Claycat]

So if he HAD registered, why would they be arresting him for not registering? This is strange!

[Claycat]

Steven Michael just posted this at Topix:

"Mr. Byrd doesnt have a chevrolet pickup. Mr. Byrd drives a 1988 White Ford Extended Cab, Tag # Osage Nation 10330. It has a diamond plated tool box in the back, it also has red interior. After arresting Byrd on the failure to register warrant I called the Marshal Service told them we had Byrd in custody. I also told them that he was in a white ford pickup. I offered to tow the truck incident to arrest, even though he was arrested while exiting the vehicle in his driveway. The werent interested. Mr. Byrd is being sought for questioning in this case by the OSBI and at this point questioning only."

[oceanblueeyes]

So if he HAD registered, why would they be arresting him for not registering? This is strange!

He may have initially registered but if he moves he must notify them. If they arrested him then he had not done so when he should, is all I can figure out.

imoo

[evelyn24]

FYI here is an example of an Osage Nation tag:
http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2007/073107-tags.jpg

The look of the tag is pretty destinct with the 'ON' on it. That makes me think someone did get a glance at it, at least long enough to notice it was a tribal tag. Maybe they didn't see specific numbers, but the big ON is hard not to notice at first glance.

[oceanblueeyes]

Steven Michael just posted this at Topix:

"Mr. Byrd doesn't have a chevrolet pickup. Mr. Byrd drives a 1988 White Ford Extended Cab, Tag # Osage Nation 13303. It has a diamond plated tool box in the back, it also has red interior. After arresting Byrd on the failure to register warrant I called the Marshal Service told them we had Byrd in custody. I also told them that he was in a white ford pickup. I offered to tow the truck incident to arrest, even though he was arrested while exiting the vehicle in his driveway. The weren't interested. Mr. Byrd is being sought for questioning in this case by the OSBI and at this point questioning only."

This makes me think that OSBI has been looking for this guy from the get go.

imoo

[christine2448]

I don't see the resemblance between the Byrd guy, and the POI. POI, age 35, indian decent, green eyes

Did they actually give an eye color for POI? Whomever saw him musta got up real close and personal....how could they possibly tell what color eyes he had? I find that odd, fwiw.

eta...nevermind, I see that has been discussed. tia

[Claycat]

Mr. Michael corrected the tag number. He said it was 10330.

[oceanblueeyes]

Now the question I have about Mr. Byrd is he had initially registered but from the sound of it he moved and did not register like the law requires.

Why is that? Why all of a sudden he wants to drop off the radar screen? When did he leave the area where he had previously registered? And where did he go after then?

imoo

[FlowerChild]

Wow! Now can you pull the hair back, like it is in a loose ponytail, and flatten the top of the cap a little? I think it will show almost an exact match!
Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740

[frogjustfrog]

So if he HAD registered, why would they be arresting him for not registering? This is strange!

On this site you posted, it says, COMMENTS by Rose at Glenpool PD. Glenpool is a little town just south of Tulsa on hwy 75, which goes to Henryetta, and through Weleetka

[evelyn24]

Now the question I have about Mr. Byrd is he had initially registered but from the sound of it he moved and did not register like the law requires.

Why is that? Why all of a sudden he wants to drop off the radar screen? When did he leave the area where he had previously registered? And where did he go after then?

imoo

All good questions. I'm sure LE went to see him at his registered address when looking at potential matches to the POI, and that's when they noticed he was gone, or moved.
Hence the warrant.

[Claycat]

Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740

Wow! Thanks to you and GetSmart, we have a great comparison!

[oceanblueeyes]

All good questions. I'm sure LE went to see him at his registered address when looking at potential matches to the POI, and that's when they noticed he was gone, or moved.
Hence the warrant.


I remember Agent Rosser said something about they were not able to question some as they were out of the area at that time. I wonder if this was one of the ones that was conveniently gone.

imoo

[GetSmart]

Man O Man of all nites I am not going to be home !! However I am excited I am going to the Glenn Beck Show tonight.. I am going to be up late catching up for sure LOL
Thanks everyone

[CMorrison64]

Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740


Whether witness or the scum that did it, I can't help but think this is the guy. How eerie do the pics look side-by-side?

[frogjustfrog]

Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740
That's incredible! I sure hope they hold this guy, or at least get dna. He could vanish if they let him go and he suspects they are looking at him as the POI, which, I am sure they are questioning him about.

It is so refreshing to know that LE has been on this all along, and has gotten this far with it. I havent heard any connection yet with him and the guy that was shot in the head by 2 guys with masks on. Has anyone else?

[oceanblueeyes]

Man O Man of all nites I am not going to be home !! However I am excited I am going to the Glenn Beck Show tonight.. I am going to be up late catching up for sure LOL
Thanks everyone

Wow, how cool. Enjoy!

We will be right here most likely. lol

imoo

[sweetheart29]

Glenpool is about 54 miles north of Weleetka. 75 does not run through Weleetka.

[frogjustfrog]

Man O Man of all nites I am not going to be home !! However I am excited I am going to the Glenn Beck Show tonight.. I am going to be up late catching up for sure LOL
Thanks everyone
I know! I was getting ready to go to Okmulgee, but not now! I am glued to my seat and have 2 tv's on!:eek:

[oceanblueeyes]

Glenpool is about 54 miles north of Weleetka. 75 does not run through Weleetka.

Wow that isn't far at all. Thanks.

[Lucy's mom]

The guy from Topix just posted this...

Im thinking they are looking at him as more than a witness. Getting information like this is like pulling teeth.

Byrd who I am told matches the composite (which I havent seen yet.) was supposedly seen in the area on the day of these murders within approximately a 20 minute time period. Before or after the fact, i dont know.

We went ahead and went through the truck. It was pretty clean. I lead an 8 man tactical team. When we got this call we hit fairfax like a pack of coyotes looking for meat. We received a call that the mother had gotten him and fled town due to all the police activity. So we set up surveillance on the house. 8 hours later they come driving down the alley, blacked out. He was driving, mother was in the passenger seat. The mothers house is where he has been staying some of the time. He also had a small camper trailer that sit in the middle of a field. When we creeped is last night it was apparent that he was only sleeping there and probably staying at moms during the day. He was also mowing lawns around fairfax to make money. The truck a 1988 Ford Extended cab, white in color is registered to Byrd in April of this year. Thats about all I know at this point.

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p312

[Busylady]

Not sure if they are the same - the sex offender is William Henry Byrd III, the divorce is for William Henry Byrd II.

Boots @ topix posted this..........
Court records show Byrd just got divorce earlier this year and got to keep 94 Chevy pickup (didn't give color)



http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetC... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/GetCaseInformation.asp?submitted=true&viewtype=caseGeneral&casemasterID=162643&db=Rogers)

http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getp... (http://www.oscn.net/applications/ocisweb/getpartyrecord.asp?partynamesid=6110431)

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php... (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=057-CF%20%200800097&County=057) -

[frogjustfrog]

Glenpool is about 54 miles north of Weleetka. 75 does not run through Weleetka.

Yes, old highway 75 goes straight thru weleetka, then wetumka. But in Henryetta, they built the Indian Nations Turnpike when I was very young, and this is a newer route for 75.

[oceanblueeyes]

Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740


That is just chilling.

We need this somewhere that it doesn't get lost....just in case.

imoo

[evelyn24]

The guy from Topix just posted this...

Im thinking they are looking at him as more than a witness. Getting information like this is like pulling teeth.

Byrd who I am told matches the composite (which I havent seen yet.) was supposedly seen in the area on the day of these murders within approximately a 20 minute time period. Before or after the fact, i dont know.

We went ahead and went through the truck. It was pretty clean. I lead an 8 man tactical team. When we got this call we hit fairfax like a pack of coyotes looking for meat. We received a call that the mother had gotten him and fled town due to all the police activity. So we set up surveillance on the house. 8 hours later they come driving down the alley, blacked out. He was driving, mother was in the passenger seat. The mothers house is where he has been staying some of the time. He also had a small camper trailer that sit in the middle of a field. When we creeped is last night it was apparent that he was only sleeping there and probably staying at moms during the day. He was also mowing lawns around fairfax to make money. The truck a 1988 Ford Extended cab, white in color is registered to Byrd in April of this year. Thats about all I know at this point. http://www.topix.com/forum/source/ko...HAR4RS395/p312

Yea, I'm thinking they are looking at him as more than a witness too!!

[Busylady]

I really really hope it is somehow connected to the case. What I am having a hard time grasping is that would someone from LE come to a topix board and explain the survillance in detail, explain that they searched the vehicle and what was found etc? Just doesnt make sense to me.

The guy from Topix just posted this...

Im thinking they are looking at him as more than a witness. Getting information like this is like pulling teeth.

Byrd who I am told matches the composite (which I havent seen yet.) was supposedly seen in the area on the day of these murders within approximately a 20 minute time period. Before or after the fact, i dont know.

We went ahead and went through the truck. It was pretty clean. I lead an 8 man tactical team. When we got this call we hit fairfax like a pack of coyotes looking for meat. We received a call that the mother had gotten him and fled town due to all the police activity. So we set up surveillance on the house. 8 hours later they come driving down the alley, blacked out. He was driving, mother was in the passenger seat. The mothers house is where he has been staying some of the time. He also had a small camper trailer that sit in the middle of a field. When we creeped is last night it was apparent that he was only sleeping there and probably staying at moms during the day. He was also mowing lawns around fairfax to make money. The truck a 1988 Ford Extended cab, white in color is registered to Byrd in April of this year. Thats about all I know at this point.http://www.topix.com/forum/source/ko...HAR4RS395/p312 (http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p312)

[GetSmart]

http://i33.tinypic.com/ori1ra.jpg[/IMG]
This is FC Phtoshop embossed look at the lines so much on the mark

[CMorrison64]

I really really hope it is somehow connected to the case. What I am having a hard time grasping is that would someone from LE come to a topix board and explain the survillance in detail, explain that they searched the vehicle and what was found etc? Just doesnt make sense to me.

I was kind of wondering the same thing ... I'm sure there are people in LE that WOULD do that, but this seems kind of strange with this big of a case.

[Lucy's mom]

http://i33.tinypic.com/ori1ra.jpg[/img]
this is fc phtoshop embossed look at the lines so much on the mark
wow!!!

[hannahsnana]

GetSmart, not that I see it embossed, it is an incredible likeness. Thank you. Notice the "marionette" lines from nose to mouth.
I, too, am curious and leery of someone in LE posting this information. I'm grateful to have it, but I hope it doesn't compromise the case.

[evelyn24]

Not sure if they are the same - the sex offender is William Henry Byrd III, the divorce is for William Henry Byrd II.

I think they are different too, because I saw where someone pointed out on Topix that the petitioner (Byrd) was present in court for the divorce hearing at the end of June this year..the 28th I believe?
Anyway, could be two different people.

[FlowerChild]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2741

Another Photoshopped Photo of Byrd with Hat and Hair Similar to POI Sketch

[Tom'sGirl]

I really really hope it is somehow connected to the case. What I am having a hard time grasping is that would someone from LE come to a topix board and explain the survillance in detail, explain that they searched the vehicle and what was found etc? Just doesnt make sense to me.
Been reading my mind again huh? :crosseyed: Go figure, I sure can't, here's the link to his post http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p309#c6718
http://64.13.133.31/pics/up-IBLQBMAIQR5O02P2-l
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p310#c6722
Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department

[evelyn24]

I really really hope it is somehow connected to the case. What I am having a hard time grasping is that would someone from LE come to a topix board and explain the survillance in detail, explain that they searched the vehicle and what was found etc? Just doesnt make sense to me.

Do you think this guy is full of it? If he is I'm going to be p*ssed!!!!
It doesn't seem like something a professional would do (posting inside info on a public board), but maybe this poster is not as important as he claims, but still has a lot information from a friend on the force??
IDK.
I guess we'll have to see where this goes.

[CMorrison64]

Do you think this guy is full of it? If he is I'm going to be p*ssed!!!!

I think the rest of us will be right along with you!!!!

[evelyn24]

How about what BUSY posted? About the divorce papers being from another man, not the SO Byrd?
If the divorce papers are the same man, how is it that he had custody with his record, and how is it that he was in court on June 28th 2008 with his attorney but yet he's not up to date with his current address on the SO registry??
If this is the same man, then I'm not sure the info from the "cop" on Topix is true.

[Lucy's mom]

I think the rest of us will be right along with you!!!!
He says he's this:

Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/kotv/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p312

[Busylady]

The poster says he is a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department

[evelyn24]

He says he's this:

Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department

Ah..so he's an NA too, or do all nationalities work on this force?

[Busylady]

In addition, there was a restraining order issued in 2000 for the Byrd and his wife involved in the custody and divorce. Byrd was incarcerated in 2000.

How about what BUSY posted? About the divorce papers being from another man, not the SO Byrd?
If the divorce papers are the same man, how is it that he had custody with his record, and how is it that he was in court on June 28th 2008 with his attorney but yet he's not up to date with his current address on the SO registry??
If this is the same man, then I'm not sure the info from the "cop" on Topix is true.

[Lucy's mom]

He's on the website but whether it's him is unknown. No picture though.

http://www.osagetribe.com/law/index.aspx

[hannahsnana]

Lycy's mom, that makes a little more sense. They were probably assisting because of it being on tribally owned land.

[Tom'sGirl]

Do you think this guy is full of it? If he is I'm going to be p*ssed!!!!
It doesn't seem like something a professional would do (posting inside info on a public board), but maybe this poster is not as important as he claims, but still has a lot information from a friend on the force??
IDK.
I guess we'll have to see where this goes.
He says in the link I posted above "Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department". Guess it wouldn't be hard to find out with one call! 1-800-286-1867.

[evelyn24]

http://www.osagetribe.com/law/index.aspx


Sergeant Steve M. Denton
???

[evelyn24]

In addition, there was a restraining order issued in 2000 for the Byrd and his wife involved in the custody and divorce. Byrd was incarcerated in 2000.

Well..and that too..lol
Thank you BL for pointing this out, a lot of people didn't notice and thought the divorce petitioner was the same man as the registered SO.
Obviously, they are not the same guy.

[Busylady]

LOL I just tried calling, get a recording that Nancy Thomas is not available and to leave a message. Tried the 800 number and the direct number got the same message.
He says in the link I posted above "Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department". Guess it wouldn't be hard to find out with one call! 1-800-286-1867.

[evelyn24]

Lycy's mom, that makes a little more sense. They were probably assisting because of it being on tribally owned land.


ITA. I think this guy is legit, and I'm usually very cynical about posters who claim to be a part of a case in some way.
I hope he doesn't make a fool of me. :(

[CMorrison64]

Has there been anything in the actual news about this guy or that they have someone detained and being questioned?

[Tom'sGirl]

He's on the website but whether it's him is unknown. No picture though.

http://www.osagetribe.com/law/index.aspx
The photo he has posted at TOPIX is the same guy in photos at your link, now the question is why would be posting at of all places TOPIX about case sensitive information?

[LifeSaver]

http://www.usmarshals.gov/falcon08/news_releases/061908-e-ok.htm

[Lucy's mom]

ITA. I think this guy is legit, and I'm usually very cynical about posters who claim to be a part of a case in some way.
I hope he doesn't make a fool of me. :(
I agree. I'm still trying to find out though if by him providing all of this information to everyone including his name and rank, if that is against protocol. Maybe not though becasue I think it's an indian tribe department and I'm thinking that the same rules might not apply. Does anyone know?

[GetSmart]

Thought I would bring pic over for those who haven't seen it

http://i35.tinypic.com/r96p.jpg[/IMG]

[FlowerChild]

Byrd is a level 3 offender (but not aggravated)

In Oklahoma, Level 3 sex offenders are required to verify their home address every ninety days. Obviously Byrd did not do so - but it doesn't matter, he can be picked up at any time since he is considered a high risk for re-offending (for life). If OSBi suspects Byrd being involved with the Weleetka case, they are going to move in as if he is armed and dangerous - regardless of his record.

Like I said, Byrd may have family or friends in the Weleetka area - betcha somebody in the area turned him in. He isn't a local but the locals who know him might turn him in.

My Opinion

[oceanblueeyes]

He says in the link I posted above "Im a Sergeant for the Osage Nation Police Department". Guess it wouldn't be hard to find out with one call! 1-800-286-1867.

I don't want to call and get him in trouble. I want him to keep talking.:)

imoo

[LifeSaver]

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Operation-FALCON-Targets-Oklahomas-Violent-Offenders/1$42341

[LifeSaver]

From what I can see FBI did a nationwide sweep, this is more than likely why this Byrd was arrested. It was called Operation Falcon.

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree. I'm still trying to find out though if by him providing all of this information to everyone including his name and rank, if that is against protocol. Maybe not though because I think it's an indian tribe department and I'm thinking that the same rules might not apply. Does anyone know?

I know they have their own jurisdictional rules and laws and if the other outside agencies don't like it they don't have any sayso on what they can say or not.

imoo

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't want to call and get him in trouble. I want him to keep talking.:)

imoo
Yeah, true ocean, sometimes 'chest pounders' say a little toooooo much :D

[Claycat]

http://www.osagetribe.com/law/index.aspx


Sergeant Steve M. Denton
???

Steve "Michael" Denton?

[sweetheart29]

On this site you posted, it says, COMMENTS by Rose at Glenpool PD. Glenpool is a little town just south of Tulsa on hwy 75, which goes to Henryetta, and through Weleetka

Yes, old highway 75 goes straight thru weleetka, then wetumka. But in Henryetta, they built the Indian Nations Turnpike when I was very young, and this is a newer route for 75.

I see now. Some reason I always thought the turnpike was hwy 75.

[oceanblueeyes]

Yeah, true ocean, sometimes 'chest pounders' say a little toooooo much :D

How fortunate for us sometimes, huh?:)

I sure hope he does know what he is talking about. Imo this is not the typical absconded SO arrested ......this man is a dead ringer for the POI in this case.

imoo

[hannahsnana]

Maybe he's just as eager to see this crime solved as we are, and maybe he doesn't know about Websleuths, only Topix. And yes, tribal police are an entity of their own, and don't have a relationship to local LE other than what they offer.

[FlowerChild]

Lycy's mom, that makes a little more sense. They were probably assisting because of it being on tribally owned land.
They HAVE to assist on tribal lands - even if OSBI is the agency in charge, on tribal lands they MUST coordinate with Tribal LE. Tribal LE is not the same as OSBI and they have different "rules". Since this suspect is a RSO who is unregistered nothing is "private" - including the details of his arrest. All public record. The Officer giving this info has not revealed anything that is not available in PUBLIC records - NOTHING is private in the case of a level 3 sex offender.

Nothing germaine to the case has been leaked except that OSBI wishes to question this person in relation to the Weleetka case. OSBI has questioned and polygraphed 100's of people so far. Obviously NONE of those people have been arrested in association with the case - Byrd hasn't been arrested in relation to the case either, they just wanna talk to him.

Details of an arrest will not damage a case so long ast there were grounds - and in the case of an currently unregistered level 3 SO - they already have all the grounds they need.

My Opinion

[hannahsnana]

FlowerChild, you are right, tribal police have jurisdiction on tribally owned land, not local LE. You made me feel a little better about him giving out information.

[YellowDog]

Here ya go!
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740

You must be a Photoshop expert!. That does look much more like the drawing.

[evelyn24]

http://www.officer.com/web/online/Top-News-Stories/Operation-FALCON-Targets-Oklahomas-Violent-Offenders/1$42341

This story is about a sweep that happened last month, and this operation is four years old and seems to target violent fugitives.
I'm not sure William Byrd would be on their list when you look at who they are targeting. The man we are talking about isn't what I would consider a dangerous fugitive, at least not yet.
And considering he just recently failed to update his address on the SO registry when he moved to his mom's place (according to the poster on Topix), I doubt he was a target of 'Operation Falcon.'

[LifeSaver]

I'm not sure about all tribes, but Weleetka and surrounding areas are Creek Indian, and their tribal police are referred to as LightHorseman

[LifeSaver]

What adjustments do I need to make to stop getting mail from here

[evelyn24]

What adjustments do I need to make to stop getting mail from here

Go to your "USER CP" at the top left of your page, then on the left column and you'll see a link to "EDIT OPTIONS"

[ArizonaGiGi]

I don't have a link for it, but her grandfather stated in an interview that she slept in a sleeping bag and I believe he said "in front of the TV". I was just wondering if this was a temporary arrangement or if she slept there all the time. For some reason, it just struck me as strange.

YD, I agree with YOU that it is strange. I think everything detail could be important. I am not trying to belittle the family; that perhaps they are poor and couldn't afford a bed for Taylor. I feel that this could be important because if she did have a bed and chose to sleep on the floor, WHY. Did she not want to be "disturbed" in her bed. Was she afraid to sleep in her bed for some reason? I am trying to think outside the box and to me this could be very important and telling information. Could also be nothing.

[ArizonaGiGi]

I do know that Native Americans are allowed to keep their hair long while they are in prison, although there has been some controversy over this recently. His hair is tucked in. If he put it over his ears with the cap on to further hide his features, it looks like him.

To my way of thinking, if mugshot #1 is the first one you see while searching, it's no wonder that nobody picked him out earlier. Click back to photo #1 to see what I'm saying.

http://docapp8.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=229&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&offender_id=28318&county=osage&imageindex=1

I think his hair could be long in these photos because in the orange jumpsuit with the collar his hair is obviously tucked in but if you look at #7 where he is facing right, his hair is kind of bubbling out a little and if you look closely at his back it looks like there is a bump going down his back. A ponytail??? I think both of the mugshots have his hair tucked into his shirt, so we have no idea how long his hair really is.
never mind, still catching up on the posts and I see Tomsgirl already pointed the "bulge" out.

[christine2448]

NOTE. I noticed while catching up in the previous thread posts there have been posts brought in their ENTIRETY from TOPIX. This is NOT allowed UNLESS you have permission from poster whom you are copying. What you CAN do is bring a snip then link to post, that we will allow. (good stuff found and brought over btw ;) )

[Lucy's mom]

NOTE. I noticed while catching up in the previous thread posts there have been posts brought in their ENTIRETY from TOPIX. This is NOT allowed UNLESS you have permission from poster whom you are copying. What you CAN do is bring a snip then link to post, that we will allow. (good stuff found and brought over btw ;) )

That would be me. I'm so sorry! I had no idea!
:bang:

I must say, you mods are on it!!! :blowkiss:

[oceanblueeyes]

YD, I agree with YOU that it is strange. I think everything detail could be important. I am not trying to belittle the family; that perhaps they are poor and couldn't afford a bed for Taylor. I feel that this could be important because if she did have a bed and chose to sleep on the floor, WHY. Did she not want to be "disturbed" in her bed. Was she afraid to sleep in her bed for some reason? I am trying to think outside the box and to me this could be very important and telling information. Could also be nothing.

:waitasec:It wasn't Taylor.

It was Skyla's father William that said that.


"William says the most painful part is at home, "I get up in the morning. I'll look over where she slept. All curled up in a sleeping bag part of the time where she would watch TV all night. She's not there, she's not there," says William."

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ddb1b5c5-7321-4363-b24b-258807374579

It sounds like at times she fell asleep while watching tv like a lot of kids do.



imoo

[FlowerChild]

Native American History in Oklahoma - A Quick Review

The 5 Civilized Tribes brought to Oklahoma Territory on the Trail Of Tears are Choctaw, Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw and Seminole

Unlike AZ and NM (home of the Navajo Nation and other Pueblo and Cliff Dwellers) Ok does not have closed reservations - OK has "Tribal Lands". Official Tribal lands, 1st given to the tribes after the Trail OF Tears (and reduced and divided many times by the Govt since) MUST remain in the hands of only tribal members. The land or property cannot be sold or even given to a person who is not a tribal member. The land stays with Tribal members forever. Law Enforcement on official tribal lands is usually left to Tribal LE with assistance from Federal, State and Local LE.

Now there are MANY tribes in Oklahoma - and one of the largest is the Osage Tribe - who are the Southern branch of the Sioux Tribe.

Current NA Tribes in Oklahoma (Official List)
Alabama-Quassarte Tribal Town
Apache Tribe of Oklahoma
Caddo Nation of Oklahoma
Cherokee Nation
Cheyenne-Arapaho Tribes of Oklahoma
Chickamauga Cherokee Nation White River Band
Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma
Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma
Potawatomi Nation
Comanche Tribe of Oklahoma
Delaware Tribe of Oklahoma
Eastern Shawnee Tribe of Oklahoma
Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma
Kaw Tribe of Oklahoma
Kialegee Tribal Town
Kickapoo Tribe of Oklahoma
Kiowa Tribe
Miami Tribe of Oklahoma
Modoc Tribe of Oklahoma
Muscogee - (Creek) Nation
Natchez Nation
Osage Nation of Oklahoma
Otoe-Missouri Tribe
Ottawa Tribe of Oklahoma
Pawnee Nation of Oklahoma
Peoria Indian Tribe of Oklahoma
Ponca Tribe of Oklahoma
Quapaw Tribe of Oklahoma
Sac & Fox Nation
Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma
Seneca-Cayuga Tribes of Oklahoma
Shawnee Tribe
Thlopthlocco Tribal Town
Tonkawa Tribe of Oklahoma
United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians
Wichita and Affiliated Tribes
Wyandotte Nation of Oklahoma
Yuchi (Euchee) Tribe

Obviously it can become confusing and it is hard for people who did not grow up in OK to understand - but this is one reason why it may be extremely difficult to locate a POI who is NA - most of the state's natives (me included) have some NA blood and in some areas of OK 100% of the population is NA Tribal Members. Tribal lands usually are strikingly poor appearing areas - in part because homes must be built with cash because no Mortgage company will loan money to build a home on land they cannot repossess (NA Tribal Land cannot have a lien attached to it). I looked at the figures for the Graham School Skyla and Taylor Attended and over 60% of the students are classified as Native American.

Hope this gives a little insight....

My Opinion

[ArizonaGiGi]

:waitasec:It wasn't Taylor.

It was Skyla's father William that said that.


"William says the most painful part is at home, "I get up in the morning. I'll look over where she slept. All curled up in a sleeping bag part of the time where she would watch TV all night. She's not there, she's not there," says William."

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ddb1b5c5-7321-4363-b24b-258807374579

It sounds like at times she fell asleep while watching tv like a lot of kids do.



imoo

Thank you OBE Thank you :blowkiss:
I am no longer concerned. The father says she "part of the time". Crushing up theory and filing in "trash" .

[oceanblueeyes]

Thank you OBE Thank you :blowkiss:
I am no longer concerned. The father says she "part of the time". Crushing up theory and filing in "trash" .

You're welcome.

It does get confusing sometimes.

I have to go back at times and re-read articles to make sure I have it right.

Well it seems they may have run off the Osage policeman over there. I hate when that happens when all we have to do is wait a day or two and see what happens concerning the absconded sex offender.

imoo

[Lucy's mom]

You're welcome.

It does get confusing sometimes.

I have to go back at times and re-read articles to make sure I have it right.

Well it seems they may have run off the Osage policeman over there. I hate when that happens when all we have to do is wait a day or two and see what happens concerning the absconded sex offender.

imoo
That website is something else! I see so many people on there trying to do good and help share questions and concerns over the killer of these two beautiful girls. And then you have a couple of rotten eggs who have to come in and spoil the whole thing. I just saw another post from someone blasting Sam. If it's not Roy their blasting it's Mary or Sam or W2C. I'm sure there's more but I can't keep up. So sad that they have to stoop so low when two girls were viciously murdered and most are trying to help. MHOO.

[evelyn24]

You're welcome.

It does get confusing sometimes.

I have to go back at times and re-read articles to make sure I have it right.

Well it seems they may have run off the Osage policeman over there. I hate when that happens when all we have to do is wait a day or two and see what happens concerning the absconded sex offender.

imoo

I know...errr.
Hopefully, we'll hear something soon.
Didn't he say (before he left), that Byrd was to meet with a judge today at
3pm CDT??

[oceanblueeyes]

I noticed that what he was convicted of is rape by instrumentation. I'm having a hard time figuring out what this is. I automatically thought of sodomy but I don't think that's what this is. Anyone enlighten me?

1111.1 RAPE BY INSTRUMENTATION.

"Rape by instrumentation is an act within or without the bonds of matrimony in which any inanimate object or any part of the human body, note amounting to sexual intercourse is used in the carnal knowledge of another person without his or her consent and penetration of the anus or vagina occurs to that person. Provided, further, that at least one of the circumstances specified in Section 1111 of this title has been met."

§21-1114.

A. Rape in the first degree shall include:

1. rape committed by a person over eighteen (18) years of age upon a
person under fourteen (14) years of age; or

2. rape committed upon a person incapable through mental illness or
any unsoundness of mind of giving legal consent regardless of the age
of the person committing the crime; or

3. rape accomplished with any person by means of force, violence, or
threats of force or violence accompanied by apparent power of
execution regardless of the age of the person committing the crime; or

4. rape by instrumentation resulting in bodily harm is rape by
instrumentation in the first degree regardless of the age of the
person committing the crime; or

5. rape by instrumentation committed upon a person under fourteen (14)
years of age.

B. In all other cases, rape or rape by instrumentation is rape in the
second degree.
************************************************** **********************************

I believe his victim was under the age of 14. I think that is why he is rated a Level III due to the severity of the rape by instrumentation.

I wonder if he was married back then and if it was maybe a family member.

imoo

[deborah1]

Does anyone know what happend to the ctv message boards?

[evelyn24]

Supposedly they were hacked.

[christine2448]

Does anyone know what happend to the ctv message boards?

Who cares? :confused:

[oceanblueeyes]

I know...errr.
Hopefully, we'll hear something soon.
Didn't he say (before he left), that Byrd was to meet with a judge today at
3pm CDT??


Yes he did. I hope he comes back but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't.

I bet the Judge will delay the decision whether he is going back to prison for violating his conditions in order to give OSBI ample time to try and interrogate him. Although they can detain him for 48 hours for questioning irrc.

imoo

[little726]

Search Results
We found the following 1 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/
Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency
BYRD WILLIAM HENRY 10/07/1959 48 Out of Custody Bonded out Osage County Sheriff's Office


I just found this information at VINELink. Byrd, was bonded out today.

Could someone check, also, to make sure I am right?

[evelyn24]

I'm dying to know where this Byrd arrest leads. I hope SM comes back..or at least comes here to post!
I don't think SM from was making this up...I believe every thing he said.
Call me naive, but his story has the ring of truth to it. Isn't that what Hemingway said? Truth has a certain ring to it!

[little726]

Offender Details
Offender Record
Offender ID: 903589 Offender Name: WILLIAM HENRY BYRD Date of Birth: 10/07/1959 Age: 48 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: Bonded out Date: 07/17/2008 Race: Native American Gender: Male

[evelyn24]

Search Results
We found the following 1 offender(s). NOTE: Names in italic are alias names. Register/
Details Last Name First Name Date of Birth Age Custody Status Facility/Reason Reporting Agency
BYRD WILLIAM HENRY 10/07/1959 48 Out of Custody Bonded out Osage County Sheriff's Office


I just found this information at VINELink. Byrd, was bonded out today.

Could someone check, also, to make sure I am right?

Yes, he was let go today.
I guess they aren't too interested in him, or else they'd keep him for questioning.
:confused::confused:
He was picked up, though..just like the poster on Topix said.

Back to the drawing board, Ocean??

[little726]

Ok. Thanks. I had not read it anywhere.

[Claycat]

Here's the link, in case anyone wants to look.

https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/searchResultsAction.do

[evelyn24]

Ok. Thanks. I had not read it anywhere.


No, thank you!! You're the first person to bring this information the board. We were wondering what became of his arrest, and if they were holding him..etc.

[hannahsnana]

I looked at the other forum (don't post there anymore). SamtheSuperCop told Steven Michael that he maybe shouldn't post there for the time being, and then in another post told SM he was going to call him. It appears that SamtheSuperCop wants SM to talk to him only.

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, he was let go today.
I guess they aren't too interested in him, or else they'd keep him for questioning.
:confused::confused:
He was picked up, though..just like the poster on Topix said.

Back to the drawing board, Ocean??

Well I just be darn.

He sure looked like the POI.

Maybe his lawyer fought it and said they had nothing to hold him on and he refused to talk to LE. Maybe being registered is not such a big deal. It sure would be to me though.

But that doesn't mean that OSBI can't pick him up at anytime.

When did Steven Michael say they arrested him? How long would it take the OSBI in charge of this case to get to him?

imoo

[Busylady]

The warrant for William Henry Byrd was issued 6/2/08

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=057-CF%20%200800097&County=057 (http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=057-CF%20%200800097&County=057)-

[evelyn24]

Thanks busylady. Yea, he failed to contact them and there was a warrant issued. The warrant definitelty is not related to Taylor and Skyla's murder, but I think that was a given.
Warrants are issued immediately when the person doesn't contact them every 90 days, correct?

[Busylady]

Im not sure the number of days, on the sex offender registry it shows his address was verified 5/5/08 so I am not sure why 6/2 a warrant was issued? Maybe because he wasnt living where he said he was on 5/5/08?

Thanks busylady. Yea, he failed to contact them and there was a warrant issued. The warrant definitelty is not related to Taylor and Skyla's murder, but I think that was a given.
Warrants are issued immediately when the person doesn't contact them every 90 days, correct?

[evelyn24]

Well I just be darn.

He sure looked like the POI.

Maybe his lawyer fought it and said they had nothing to hold him on and he refused to talk to LE. Maybe being registered is not such a big deal. It sure would be to me though.

But that doesn't mean that OSBI can't pick him up at anytime.

When did Steven Michael say they arrested him? How long would it take the OSBI in charge of this case to get to him?

imoo


If I can remember correctly, SM said WB was arrested early this morning by SM and his officers at the request of the federal marshals who supposedly told him OSBI wanted to question WB.
Also, WB was to be seen by the judge at 3pm CDT, according to SM.
I have no other details. :confused:

[evelyn24]

Im not sure the number of days, on the sex offender registry it shows his address was verified 5/5/08 so I am not sure why 6/2 a warrant was issued? Maybe because he wasnt living where he said he was on 5/5/08?

That's probably the case. It's possible someone tried to contact him for some reason and discovered he moved and a warrant is automatically issued.
I have no clue at this point what the deal is with this guy.
If I were to guess, I'd say that LE was interested in talking to him and that's why they asked for the surveillance of his mom's home and his arrest, but after talking to him, they realized he wasn't the poi.
:confused:

[Claycat]

Offender Details
Offender Record
Offender ID: 903589 Offender Name: WILLIAM HENRY BYRD Date of Birth: 10/07/1959 Age: 48 Custody Status: Out of Custody Reason: Bonded out Date: 07/17/2008 Race: Native American Gender: Male

Yes! Thank you little726! This was valuable information!

[CMorrison64]

Well hell, I really thought this would go somewhere ... :mad:

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes he did. I hope he comes back but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't.
Found this post humorous, especially when I saw his page :rolleyes:
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p315#c6824

[evelyn24]

I really don't care about SM's personal webpage, he's an adult, the people posting on his webpage are adults, and none of that has anything to do with his information about the arrest of WB, or this case. Sorry, that's just my opinion.
I don't think it's necessary for the poster's on that forum to try and trash the man, because IMO it appears he was giving facts.

[Ruflossn]

Well hell, I really thought this would go somewhere ... :mad:

Me too! I have been reading forever trying to get caught up. WOW! Sounds like a lot of sleuthing for nothing?????

So disappointing.

:mad:

[Claycat]

Me too! I have been reading forever trying to get caught up. WOW! Sounds like a lot of sleuthing for nothing?????

So disappointing.

:mad:

Yeah! Sigh!

[evelyn24]

Me too! I have been reading forever trying to get caught up. WOW! Sounds like a lot of sleuthing for nothing?????

So disappointing.

:mad:

It still could be something.
I really hope the tribal police guy SM comes back to Topix, and gives details of the hearing and the bond release.

I too was hoping for some justice, but it looks like that won't happen....yet.

[oceanblueeyes]

I really don't care about SM's personal webpage, he's an adult, the people posting on his webpage are adults, and none of that has anything to do with his information about the arrest of WB, or this case. Sorry, that's just my opinion.
I don't think it's necessary for the poster's on that forum to try and trash the man, because IMO it appears he was giving facts.

Well policeman have never been known for their softness anyway. He is probably is a tough cop. I saw it said he was in Swat Team Training so he is no Barney Fife type that is for sure.

All I know he was very honest about everything he shared.

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

I'm going to pray that there was a reason they let him go, like an alibi or something, whether it be true or false; and that they will be keeping an eye on him. This cop was certainly interested or he wouldnt have shared it with Topix. Ya think?

[CMorrison64]

I'm going to pray that there was a reason they let him go, like an alibi or something, whether it be true or false; and that they will be keeping an eye on him. This cop was certainly interested or he wouldnt have shared it with Topix. Ya think?

I hope they are watching him; I'm sorry but the resemblance to the POI was just way too close for me to believe he isn't that person. I really need for something to start making sense. I have not slept well since this happened, just sickened by this crime and wanting this SOB caught so the family can have some peace. I've never been so affected by a crime in my life. Soooo sad and sooooo senseless.

[frogjustfrog]

I hope they are watching him; I'm sorry but the resemblance to the POI was just way too close for me to believe he isn't that person. I really need for something to start making sense. I have not slept well since this happened, just sickened by this crime and wanting this SOB caught so the family can have some peace. I've never been so affected by a crime in my life. Soooo sad and sooooo senseless.
I do know how you feel CM. I have shed my own share of tears over this and I am sure I'm not through.
We need to remember that the poi is not necessarily the killer. Maybe this is why they let Mr Byrd go. Maybe he has information and is going to cooperate with LE. Maybe he had been sneaking because he was afraid to give this information, but now that they have found him to question, maybe he is cooperating.
All we have is maybe's.
I'm going to remember what Ms Brown said, "this IS solvable" or something very near to that.
We are just on the edge of our seats, wishing this horrible nightmare will be over, so we jump when we hear anything. I believe LE has to keep a lot to themselves so that they CAN solve this. We must just be patient.
And as for me, I'm going to continue praying.:)

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see Byrd's "European" half in any of those mugshots. Are we supposed to overlook that statement from the witnesses and from LE? I don't think he looks anything like the sketch, imo. He is NA and has long hair...but where is the rest of it? His face isn't long and rather slender. His eyebrows are much different than the sketches. His eyes are decidedly dark brown.

I saw the artist sketch of one of the perps they caught and it was right on the money almost. On that one, the only difference was the sketch made him look older and the hair was a tiny bit off. The facial features were excellent tho.

This may not be about the same guy...but I have it on good authority that LE from several areas converged in that same area (Fairfax) recently because they had a tip of a meth lab...which turned out to be only one man and not the large one with lots of people they had been told about. Maybe they ran across this guy thinking he was part of the other situation.

[FlowerChild]

Byrd bonded out - that means a bail bond was given and his bail bondsman will keep him on a short leash. There is no way of knowing whether he has been questioned by OSBI or not - the JUDGE allowed him to post bail - has nothing to do with OSBI. OSBI didn't arrest him on their warrant and they have no way of forcing the county to keep him in jail on the failure to register unless they can show proof he is a suspect in the Weleetka case. Byrd can refuse to be questioned, polygraphed etc and once the Judge sets a bond in the OTHER matter, he is free to leave. Basically, it's all on a voluntary basis only without an arrest warrant being issued in the Weleetka case. The cops can't hold Byrd without something more than "he looks like the POI". OSBI can now go to Byrd and ask to question him - but without more, they cannot force him to undergo questioning - or make him do anything else - they would have to have grounds to make Byrd a SUSPECT in the Weleetka case and obviously at the moment there are no grounds.

OSBI now knows where Byrd is and they may even know IF he has a solid alibi for June 8th or not. He does look like the sketch, but as someone in the OK NA community has already said, there may be 10,000 men in OK who match the POI sketch - it could take a while to get thru them all unless somebody drops a dime on the right one. We all should continue to look for the POI everywhere.

My Opinion

[frogjustfrog]

Good night all. Try to have sweet dreams.

[GetSmart]

I'm back & what GREAT evening. I just love Glenn Beck live. He is great when he does his show.

back to the case at hand....what a let down. We just have to keep the faith.

[noZme]

it's difficult for me to understand how some members do not see a resemblance...the sketch of the POI was constructed from the collective memory of passers-by on a rural dirt road. there has been no mention of witnesses having had any more than an observation as they drove by the truck & man stopped on the roadside. one would not expect it to be a guaranteed photo-perfect representation..... therefore, i believe byrd, the man detained today by the combined OK law enforcement "round-up", looks enough like the police sketch that he will be surveilled at least for the time being & possibly picked up to be questioned about the girls' murders....... i pray that answers will come soon to their families, friends & all those whose lives have been touched by their lives & deaths.... including my fellow sleuthers following this tragedy.

[SeriouslySearching]

Flower...where is the half "European" showing in that mugshot of Byrd? He does not match the sketch or the description, imo!

Sorry, No...but embossing doesn't make him "match". They did not allude in the description to the very dark skin which Byrd has or the eyes. If this were the case, they would have said so. The "European" comment would not have even come into play as they would have only said he was NA.

[frogjustfrog]

Flower...where is the half "European" showing in that mugshot of Byrd? He does not match the sketch or the description, imo!

Sorry, No...but embossing doesn't make him "match". They did not allude in the description to the very dark skin which Byrd has or the eyes. If this were the case, they would have said so. The "European" comment would not have even come into play as they would have only said he was NA.
I guess I missed this "half European" that you are mentioning. Could you please enlighten me?:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Sure!

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation

A. DeWade Langley
Director

Jessica Brown
Public Information Director

06/16/08 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Sketch Released in Weleetka Double Murder

The man is described as a Native American, possibly part Caucasian male, approximately 35 years old with a slender build and a long pony tail. He was seen standing next to a white pickup truck either a Ford or Chevy. The truck was a single cab with a narrow strip of chrome down the side. The truck had an Oklahoma license tag. This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found. Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard. OSBI hopes to find him to determine if he saw or heard anything in the area. If someone recognizes this person, have them call 1-800-635-8477.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-16_Sketch.html (Bolded by me)

Let me look up the descriptions which were changed to "European" tomorrow when I have more time as it is really late. The description changed from Caucasion to European tho.

[RoseRed]

I don't see Byrd's "European" half in any of those mugshots. Are we supposed to overlook that statement from the witnesses and from LE? I don't think he looks anything like the sketch, imo. He is NA and has long hair...but where is the rest of it? His face isn't long and rather slender. His eyebrows are much different than the sketches. His eyes are decidedly dark brown.

I saw the artist sketch of one of the perps they caught and it was right on the money almost. On that one, the only difference was the sketch made him look older and the hair was a tiny bit off. The facial features were excellent tho.

This may not be about the same guy...but I have it on good authority that LE from several areas converged in that same area (Fairfax) recently because they had a tip of a meth lab...which turned out to be only one man and not the large one with lots of people they had been told about. Maybe they ran across this guy thinking he was part of the other situation.

I agree with he doesn't look that much like the sketch. His face is not long enough, chin is different, lips are not the same.

[frogjustfrog]

I agree with he doesn't look that much like the sketch. His face is not long enough, chin is different, lips are not the same.
The sketch was drawn from the memory of someone who just drove past him, not by looking at a picture. I agree with most the other posters, I think it is an uncanny likeness, but then again, alot of people who are NA or part NA could fit that description, including my grandpa when he was young. Still, I feel like it is a close likeness.

Im gonna try again to go to bed. Sweet dreams.

PS SS IF you find that info about european, go ahead and post it. I would like to see it as I havent heard this before

[ArizonaGiGi]

Sure!

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation

A. DeWade Langley
Director

Jessica Brown
Public Information Director

06/16/08 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Sketch Released in Weleetka Double Murder

The man is described as a Native American, possibly part Caucasian male, approximately 35 years old with a slender build and a long pony tail. He was seen standing next to a white pickup truck either a Ford or Chevy. The truck was a single cab with a narrow strip of chrome down the side. The truck had an Oklahoma license tag. This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found. Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard. OSBI hopes to find him to determine if he saw or heard anything in the area. If someone recognizes this person, have them call 1-800-635-8477.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-16_Sketch.html (Bolded by me)

Let me look up the descriptions which were changed to "European" tomorrow when I have more time as it is really late. The description changed from Caucasion to European tho.

"Possibly part caucasian" does not mean that he WAS. He was possibly NOT part caucasian either huh. Anything is POSSIBLE. I definitely would not discount Mr. Byrd or anyone else simply because they didn't fit the sketch perfectly. Creech's eyes were similar to the sketch, Byrds mouth lines are similar to the sketch. We all have our opinions and that's mine.

[SeriouslySearching]

We even discussed it here before when they changed it. I will post it as soon as I get a chance tho...unless someone else wants to track it down.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish you would go check out the artist's work and see how close he came on the sketch where they did catch the guy. It was spot on.

This sketch did not come from just one person. It came from several and someone would have said he was dark skinned, imo. They didn't and in fact thought he was "part caucasion" or "European descent". They were specific.

[evelyn24]

Byrd bonded out - that means a bail bond was given and his bail bondsman will keep him on a short leash. There is no way of knowing whether he has been questioned by OSBI or not - the JUDGE allowed him to post bail - has nothing to do with OSBI. OSBI didn't arrest him on their warrant and they have no way of forcing the county to keep him in jail on the failure to register unless they can show proof he is a suspect in the Weleetka case. Byrd can refuse to be questioned, polygraphed etc and once the Judge sets a bond in the OTHER matter, he is free to leave. Basically, it's all on a voluntary basis only without an arrest warrant being issued in the Weleetka case. The cops can't hold Byrd without something more than "he looks like the POI". OSBI can now go to Byrd and ask to question him - but without more, they cannot force him to undergo questioning - or make him do anything else - they would have to have grounds to make Byrd a SUSPECT in the Weleetka case and obviously at the moment there are no grounds.

OSBI now knows where Byrd is and they may even know IF he has a solid alibi for June 8th or not. He does look like the sketch, but as someone in the OK NA community has already said, there may be 10,000 men in OK who match the POI sketch - it could take a while to get thru them all unless somebody drops a dime on the right one. We all should continue to look for the POI everywhere.

My Opinion

All very true, and he does look like the sketch. I don't know how many NA men fit the height, and slender build with a white pick up truck....probably not 10,000.
He might have an alibi, but we do know from the poster at Topix that OSBI was interested in talking with him.

[evelyn24]

it's difficult for me to understand how some members do not see a resemblance...the sketch of the POI was constructed from the collective memory of passers-by on a rural dirt road. there has been no mention of witnesses having had any more than an observation as they drove by the truck & man stopped on the roadside. one would not expect it to be a guaranteed photo-perfect representation..... therefore, i believe byrd, the man detained today by the combined OK law enforcement "round-up", looks enough like the police sketch that he will be surveilled at least for the time being & possibly picked up to be questioned about the girls' murders....... i pray that answers will come soon to their families, friends & all those whose lives have been touched by their lives & deaths.... including my fellow sleuthers following this tragedy.


Yep..not to mention that wearing a baseball cap really can make it hard to get facial features 100% accurate when describing someone.
As far as the POSSIBLE causasion mix, the sketch clearly looks NA to me, even with the skin shade being a lighter brown. LE never said HALF european, unless I missed a big update from the news about it.

Oh well...hopefully LE has more promising leads.

[Trino]

Oh well...hopefully LE has more promising leads.

I agree there is a resemblance, but I'm also guessing the guy has a good alibi, or LE would have found charges to hold him. However, there are many OK men with mostly NA features and a pony tail that drive a white truck that could look like the POI.

[Annie]

I am losing hope day by day that this case will ever be solved. I have doubts that the law inforcement groups involved will ever come together enough to find the killer or killers and prosecute them.

[evelyn24]

I am losing hope day by day that this case will ever be solved. I have doubts that the law inforcement groups involved will ever come together enough to find the killer or killers and prosecute them.

I know it's only been a little over a month, but these kind of cases can go cold fast and never have a resolution.
It's hard for me to believe SOMEONE out there doesn't know something.
So tragic two little girls were blasted away like this, and nobody has been caught. It's not like this is a crime of robbery, it's an act so random and violent you'd think the killer(s) would do again, if they are that violent and crazy. I don't know how someone can do this in daylight, with witnesses, in a small timeframe, and get away with it!! UGH!

[Trino]

It's hard for me to believe SOMEONE out there doesn't know something.

Agreed.

Possibilities as to why a reward isn't bringing in a suspect:
1. $50,000 reward isn't enough - drugs are involved
2. Relative or someone close to POI is afraid of suspect
3. Suspect is not local, so no one really thinks he's involved
4. Suspect is truly a loner

[oceanblueeyes]

Sure!

Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation

A. DeWade Langley
Director

Jessica Brown
Public Information Director

06/16/08 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Sketch Released in Weleetka Double Murder

The man is described as a Native American, possibly part Caucasian male, approximately 35 years old with a slender build and a long pony tail. He was seen standing next to a white pickup truck either a Ford or Chevy. The truck was a single cab with a narrow strip of chrome down the side. The truck had an Oklahoma license tag. This person was seen outside this truck parked in the middle of the dirt road near where the two girls were found. Witnesses say he was there only minutes before the gun shots were heard. OSBI hopes to find him to determine if he saw or heard anything in the area. If someone recognizes this person, have them call 1-800-635-8477.

http://www.ok.gov/osbi/Press_Room/2008_Press_Releases/PR-2008-06-16_Sketch.html (Bolded by me)

Let me look up the descriptions which were changed to "European" tomorrow when I have more time as it is really late. The description changed from Caucasian to European tho.

I think they put that in there just in case he was possibly 'NA/Caucasian" which may or may not turn out to be the case. He may be NA, period, just like Bryd.

Imo Bryd is very much like the sketch. More so than any other subject that has been found and discussed. No sketch is ever like an actual photograph of the person and there will be variances especially when several witnesses are giving the description of one man. Even looking at the sketch the POI looks to be a NA imo.

Even Steven Michael said that he was told that OSBI wanted to question this man because he matches the sketch in the Weleetka case.

The eye color does not bother me. He wore a baseball cap and it shadows the eyes.

But ever description given out since then states he is a Native American.

They could not hold Bryd but I sure hope they are watching him now and looking back into his history to learn all about this man and where he was around the time of the murders.

Imo there was a good reason why he thought it necessary to go unregistered in the system.

imo

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree there is a resemblance, but I'm also guessing the guy has a good alibi, or LE would have found charges to hold him. However, there are many OK men with mostly NA features and a pony tail that drive a white truck that could look like the POI.

I am not sure what charges they could hold him on if they just found out about him that morning. They have to have more than just a suspicion to detain him or arrest him.

I wonder how good of an alibi an absconded sex offender would have?

imo

[hannahsnana]

I agree with Seriously Searching. I do not think Byrd is the POI. The only match I could see to the sketch were the marionette lines from nose to mouth. I would say that if you live in Oklahoma like I do, and you are part NA as I am, you can tell the difference in features and skin color in most tribes to the extent that you can tell if they are full blood or not. Those of us who are not full blood will have some features that are NA: high cheekbones, straight hair, etc. There are those within the NA community who refer to "white Indians" in a disparaging way.

[oceanblueeyes]

I still think there is a stark likeness to the POI and Byrd.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=244&pictureid=2740

Artists that do this kind of work will tell you that if they are working with several witnesses that saw one perp they each tend to focus on differing aspects of the face and overall view. Some may focus on the eyes where others may be drawn to the hair or height/build or overall facial area.

The artists must try to pull out what he thinks is the strongest focused point for each witness and then merge it into one sketch.

I do not expect the POI and the actual killer to look exactly the same as if taking a photograph. There will be similarities in the overall sketch of the POI and the killer when found, imo.

imoo

[YellowDog]

I think they need to rethink the kids on the bridge myself. For some reason, I think this was done by kids.

[CMorrison64]

I think they need to rethink the kids on the bridge myself. For some reason, I think this was done by kids.

I work with a nurse that's a former San Diego police officer and I asked her opinion on it and she said the same thing. That she'd bet it was kids. So it'll be interesting to find out the real who's and why's of this case when it breaks. I just wish it WOULD break.

[hannahsnana]

I have to go out for a while, so won't be around to see responses, if any, for a while, but I still have a nagging feeling about the POI's original eye description as being green. I know this has been debated ad nauseum, but I think it's odd that this was changed. After all, the OSBI can only go by what the "witnesses" have told them.
I've been doing some reading from earlier in the case again, and the only witness to be described as credible early on was the one who had seen the girls walking down the road. The other "witnesses" were not described as credible in any OSBI statement I can find. I could be wrong. I did find a statement from OSBI saying that they could only go by what had been described by the witnesses. The OSBI has no first hand information on the POI, because they were not on the scene at the time of the murders.
Green eyes are a very distinctive feature, but they would have had to be really close to see this, though. Again, I don't think the description of green eyes would have been pulled out of thin air. Unless the whole "POI" is a red herring put forth by the "witnesses". Maybe the witnesses realized that their seeing green eyes was unlikely, so changed their story to brown. I'm just saying. What do you think?

[YellowDog]

If the shooters were the people on the bridge, they could have made up anything about the POI. Of course, I'm sure they've checked the ballistics against any guns they had with them by now unless they threw then in the creek. I wonder if the creek has had divers in it searching for clues.

[FlowerChild]

I think they need to rethink the kids on the bridge myself. For some reason, I think this was done by kids.

There were no "kids on the bridge" at the time the girls were killed. LE said sometimes kids target shoot and hang out on the bridge - but there weren't any there at the time the girls were killed...they would have seen the girls and could have verified they made it to the bridge and since they were shot only 1/4 mile away they would have seen the killer(s) shoot the girls. None of that happened and none of the witnesses who saw the POI said there were ANY kids at/on the bridge. The kids that were target shooting were over 3 miles away - they were not anywhere near the girls and they had one shotgun between like 5 boys.

If it was a "kid" or "kids" then they weren't seen in the area (but the POI was) and either walked or drove to the location, shot the girls and split without anyone seeing them in the area. If it was a kid or kids then they are very good at staying quiet - and that usually isn't the case - they usually have to brag or tell someone. And if it was more than one killer it's unusual for ALL of them to stay quiet and not say a word, and intimidation by another kid rarely works - the kids still get fed up or mad at some point and rat each other out. And I cannot imagine a situation where more than one "kid" was so sociopathic that they could mow down two kids in cold blood at close range and act like nothing happened.

There probably aren't 300 kids between 14 and 18 in the immediate area - it would NOT be hard to track all of them down. And as to 18+, I don't consider them "kids" but again, how many could there be in the immediate area? If it was "kids" I am assuming they'd be local. The OSBI has never said anything about "kids" being suspect - I am assuming they believe it was adult killler(s).

My Opinion

[FlowerChild]

I have to go out for a while, so won't be around to see responses, if any, for a while, but I still have a nagging feeling about the POI's original eye description as being green. I know this has been debated ad nauseum, but I think it's odd that this was changed. After all, the OSBI can only go by what the "witnesses" have told them.
I've been doing some reading from earlier in the case again, and the only witness to be described as credible early on was the one who had seen the girls walking down the road. The other "witnesses" were not described as credible in any OSBI statement I can find. I could be wrong. I did find a statement from OSBI saying that they could only go by what had been described by the witnesses. The OSBI has no first hand information on the POI, because they were not on the scene at the time of the murders.
Green eyes are a very distinctive feature, but they would have had to be really close to see this, though. Again, I don't think the description of green eyes would have been pulled out of thin air. Unless the whole "POI" is a red herring put forth by the "witnesses". Maybe the witnesses realized that their seeing green eyes was unlikely, so changed their story to brown. I'm just saying. What do you think?
I think what they said was the eyes were hazel or brown (the sketch shows light brown/hazel eyes) - which can look green or brown depending on the light and what color the person is wearing. My husband has hazel eyes and most of the time they look brown - but they look green if he has on a green or turquoise shirt. In this case the POI had on a black ball cap - which may have made his eyes look brown to anyone viewing him from a few feet away driving by. Perhaps it was ONE of the 3 witnesses we know about that said the eyes looked "hazel" to him/her - maybe that witness got closer to the POI or saw the POI with more light on his face?

I think the POI has hazel eyes which may be described as brown or hazel officially (as in a legal description on a DL or ID or mug shot) depending on whether the person thinks of himself as having hazel or brown eyes. Most NA's that APPEAR NA have brown or hazel eyes. I have seen several NA's who appear ethnically NA with very light hazel eyes and they can indeed look green, especially on women who play up the green with cosmetics.

At this time I believe the POI has some version of brown eyes - but the only eye color we can rule out is BLUE.

My Opinion

[YellowDog]

There were no "kids on the bridge" at the time the girls were killed. LE said sometimes kids target shoot and hang out on the bridge - but there weren't any there at the time the girls were killed...they would have seen the girls and could have verified they made it to the bridge and since they were shot only 1/4 mile away they would have seen the killer(s) shoot the girls. None of that happened and none of the witnesses who saw the POI said there were ANY kids at/on the bridge. The kids that were target shooting were over 3 miles away - they were not anywhere near the girls and they had one shotgun between like 5 boys.

If it was a "kid" or "kids" then they weren't seen in the area (but the POI was) and either walked or drove to the location, shot the girls and split without anyone seeing them in the area. If it was a kid or kids then they are very good at staying quiet - and that usually isn't the case - they usually have to brag or tell someone. And if it was more than one killer it's unusual for ALL of them to stay quiet and not say a word, and intimidation by another kid rarely works - the kids still get fed up or mad at some point and rat each other out. And I cannot imagine a situation where more than one "kid" was so sociopathic that they could mow down two kids in cold blood at close range and act like nothing happened.

There probably aren't 300 kids between 14 and 18 in the immediate area - it would NOT be hard to track all of them down. And as to 18+, I don't consider them "kids" but again, how many could there be in the immediate area? If it was "kids" I am assuming they'd be local. The OSBI has never said anything about "kids" being suspect - I am assuming they believe it was adult killler(s).

My Opinion


How are you so sure there were none on the bridge that day? Who was on the bridge that day? No one? I thought I read somewhere in one of these posts or news clips that there were kids on the bridge. How credible is the witness who saw the POI?

The OSBI has never said anything about "anyone" being a suspect yet.

You must live in the area since you know the stats of how many kids between 14 and 18 live there.

I think kids could keep a secret if they committed the murders. People are executed all the time who never confess to their crimes.

[Mysterylover]

I think they need to rethink the kids on the bridge myself. For some reason, I think this was done by kids.....

I agree, it would be a good ideal to go back to the beginning and go over everything, again....the time-line and the over-kill has to be a "clue".

this mentions the truck load of kids, teens...notice the article says a "tip reported pickup full of boys in area SAME TIME of the killings.....yet LE says they are cleared?...jmo

QUOTE....
Agents investigated a tip Wednesday that someone reported a pickup full of boys in the area at the same time of the killings.

"We contacted those individuals, and yes, they had a shotgun," Rosser said. "They told us they were down there shooting, just like they would have been on any Sunday. There's nothing to indicate that they are suspects." http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080612_11_A1_hOSBIs543824

[oceanblueeyes]

How are you so sure there were none on the bridge that day? Who was on the bridge that day? No one? I thought I read somewhere in one of these posts or news clips that there were kids on the bridge. How credible is the witness who saw the POI?

The OSBI has never said anything about "anyone" being a suspect yet.

You must live in the area since you know the stats of how many kids between 14 and 18 live there.

I think kids could keep a secret if they committed the murders. People are executed all the time who never confess to their crimes.

OSBI has continually stated they have witnesses that saw the POI that day. Not just one witness. The sketch artist also said he met with the witnesses when he was compiling the sketch.

Of course they haven't. Most never do after the Richard Jewell fiasco happened. They use POI now.

From what we know now there was one witness who saw the girls walking shortly before they were killed.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

I think what they said was the eyes were hazel or brown (the sketch shows light brown/hazel eyes) - which can look green or brown depending on the light and what color the person is wearing. My husband has hazel eyes and most of the time they look brown - but they look green if he has on a green or turquoise shirt. In this case the POI had on a black ball cap - which may have made his eyes look brown to anyone viewing him from a few feet away driving by. Perhaps it was ONE of the 3 witnesses we know about that said the eyes looked "hazel" to him/her - maybe that witness got closer to the POI or saw the POI with more light on his face?

I think the POI has hazel eyes which may be described as brown or hazel officially (as in a legal description on a DL or ID or mug shot) depending on whether the person thinks of himself as having hazel or brown eyes. Most NA's that APPEAR NA have brown or hazel eyes. I have seen several NA's who appear ethnically NA with very light hazel eyes and they can indeed look green, especially on women who play up the green with cosmetics.

At this time I believe the POI has some version of brown eyes - but the only eye color we can rule out is BLUE.

My Opinion

I sure don't remember seeing or hearing that. I thought the description has always been "brown eyes."

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

FC, back on the kids for a moment... I see in one of Rosser's video's he says that he spoke with the kids, and that the report of kids has been reported in the area, that they said they were 3 miles away shooting off a bridge but, they had a 410 shotgun. (I'm wondering at this point how they knew this was the only shotgun and that they didnt get rid of a gun) The water was up very high that day due to all the rains, not only in Bad Creek, but at North Canadian River which was about 3 miles away. which in my opinion would be a good way to get rid of a gun, (guns) by ANYONE who had a gun.
Just before Rosser said this, the first question that was asked of him was "is there any body you are trying to talk to that you havent been able to talk to yet?" And Rossers says, that certainly there are, we're talking about young people, it's summertime, sometimes they may not be working and may be visiting their friends..."

I like going back to these old videos cuz sometimes you pick up something you didnt before. What does your friend think about this?

[Jade]

For discussion purposes: could this be a case of blame the generic NA?

I wonder because locally we have cases where the generic black guy is blamed only to find out later it was all a lie.

If there were multipliable sightings from completely independent sources then that would be a different matter.

BUT if the sightings were from sources that were connected in any way it could be throw the NA guy to the lions. If in fact there was ever a NA guy in the first place – back to my generic NA theory.

Also wouldn’t saying that he is possibly not a full blood muddy the waters even more since that would increase the POI pool of suspects dramatically?

The NA was seen just before the shots were heard so has there been mention of the girls location at this point?

If I had seen the girls walking towards someone so suspicious that I made note of all his particulars then heard gun shots minutes later I would have been calling 911!


MOO

[evelyn24]

I sure don't remember seeing or hearing that. I thought the description has always been "brown eyes."

imoo

I'm with you Ocean. Where are people getting this "Green eye" stuff from anyway??
I've never heard the POI's eyes described any other way, but brown.

If anybody has a link to a presser or an article where the term green or hazel eyes is used, please link me.
I just hate being out of the loop.
Thank you!
:)

[frogjustfrog]

What proof does LE have, other than their word, that they weren't there? And could one of the boys ran?
My mind still goes back to when I heard that one of the girls had already told a boy she goes to school with, that she was going to tell on him about something. I dont remember if it was true of fact but it was said somewhere.
Think about it. If there was more than one boy there, and they walked up on them at the bridge, caught something, then were going home to tell, the guys could have come after them.
If I was with someone who ki