Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #12

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here.

[evelyn24]

SNIP from Flowerchild:
The Placker's have a neighbor who lives to the South and sorta behind their house. He is somewhat of a troubled man - has an arrest record, has a permanent restraining order on him from his ex wife and members of her family, shooting with intent to kill, feloniously pointing a weapon and he has been committed (by the state) to a mental facility at least once (and maybe twice).

Thank you FC, and that is very interesting information..indeed.
I wonder if Jerry Patterson has an alibi for the time the girls were killed?
This man fits the type of person I see doing this crime. Maybe the girls, in his mind, were disrespectful.
He's a little off the beam, and trigger happy...at least from his record and his medical history.

Please keep us up on what happens with this lead.
:)

[SeriouslySearching]

Not sure if this is the same person, but Jerry Patterson from Okmulgee address was listed here:

2/20/2006

PETITION FOR APPOINTMENT OF DHS AS TEMPORARY GUARDIAN,
EMERGENCY INVOLUNTARY ADULT PROTECTIVE SERVICES,
APPOINTMENT OF COUNEL FOR VULNERABLE ADULT, AND
SCHEDULING OF HEARING
12/20/2006 ORDER FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES
12/20/2006 ORDER FOR HEARING PETITION FOR PROTECTIVE SERVICES
12/27/2006 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE
12/27/2006 ORDER FOR EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE SERVICES

http://www.odcr.com/detail.php?Case=056-P%20%20%200600167&County=056-

Good find FC, but now we have to find out if he was even in the area at the time.
By the way, as near as I could tell...all the weapon related charges against him were dismissed except for the protective orders.

[SeriouslySearching]

If he is out of his tree...I wonder if he has some relatives that are too?

The Pattersons I know are NA.

[Fairy1]

Thank you FC, and that is very interesting information..indeed.
I wonder if Jerry Patterson has an alibi for the time the girls were killed?
This man fits the type of person I see doing this crime. Maybe the girls, in his mind, were disrespectful.
He's a little off the beam, and trigger happy...at least from his record and his medical history.

Please keep us up on what happens with this lead.
:)

ITA evelyn! This is exactly the type of person I imagine killing these babies. Sure hope LE is on this.

[LifeSaver]

His ex-wife is dead. Mysteriously choked to death in the middle of the night, you are talking about his sister

[LifeSaver]

and yes, he still lives on the homeplace. They have given him a polygraph, and taken DNA from what I heard

[Fairy1]

and yes, he still lives on the homeplace. They have given him a polygraph, and taken DNA from what I heard


I'm thinking they should step it up! This guy sounds looney toons. I sure wouldn't want him so close by - even if he's not the perp in this particular case.

[LifeSaver]

his two daughters were taken from him, and his wife back in the 80s

[SeriouslySearching]

His ex-wife is dead. Mysteriously choked to death in the middle of the night, you are talking about his sisterWhen and where did this occur? Who is is his sister and who was talking about her? Did she play a role in the mysterious death? Is she crazy, too?

[SeriouslySearching]

his two daughters were taken from him, and his wife back in the 80sDefine "taken". DHS took them away? Someone killed them?

[GetSmart]

Thanks so much FC & everyone for the new intel :blowkiss:

I went to pick up an excerise bike I bought off of C"s list & just got back. You guys are great !!

[LifeSaver]

run that same name in Okfuskee county

[Busylady]

This guy seems to be very troubled thats for sure. Whats strange is all of his violent charges were either dismissed or he was found not guilty.

[LifeSaver]

I'm not sure the Okmulgee County is him, he was born in 46.

[Busylady]

Im not catching what you are trying to get across. There are two protective orders and 3 charges to do with a weapon which were all dismissed or not guilty verdict. Please elaborate so we do not have to try and read between the lines?

run that same name in Okfuskee county

[LifeSaver]

I would guess, the people who filed the charges, maybe didn't show up at court to testilfy against him. I don't have a cluse why he was never convicted

[LifeSaver]

thats the only explanation I can come up with.

[Busylady]

The one case was a juror trial that ended in not guilty verdict. No clue why the others were dismissed. Could be due to mental state?

I would guess, the people who filed the charges, maybe didn't show up at court to testilfy against him. I don't have a cluse why he was never convicted

[LifeSaver]

I'm sure his mental illness helped him out, I do not know what he was diagnosed with.

[frogjustfrog]

I'm sure his mental illness helped him out, I do not know what he was diagnosed with.

Life, you are obviously a local too. If you dont mind my asking, do you know any of these people personally? Just asking in case you can shed some more insight.:)

[Fairy1]

I'm sure his mental illness helped him out, I do not know what he was diagnosed with.

Does anyone know if he lives alone or if there is someone there with him? (Sorry if I missed that!). We know if someone is off their prescribed meds, there can be issues. Is anyone there with him?

[GetSmart]

If he is mental he probably went to a mental health facility instead of jail or being charged don't you think.

[Fairy1]

If he is mental he probably went to a mental health facility instead of jail or being charged don't you think.

That's what I'm thinking. But THEN what happened?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish Life would answer any of the questions I ask. He/she doesn't seem to be able to do that. Strange.

[frogjustfrog]

I wish Life would answer any of the questions I ask. He/she doesn't seem to be able to do that. Strange.

I thought so too. Some come in here claiming to be locals and want to tell us enough to believe them, then nothing? I dont get it either. I mean, what's the point?

[Tom'sGirl]

I wish Life would answer any of the questions I ask. He/she doesn't seem to be able to do that. Strange.
LOL, very cryptic in their beginning posts, even Christine replied "huh" :)

[evelyn24]

I wish Life would answer any of the questions I ask. He/she doesn't seem to be able to do that. Strange.

I wish he/she would too, because I'm interested in the answers...especially about the wife and kids.

[tulsa]

I'm not sure the Okmulgee County is him, he was born in 46.

In Newsbank archives, there's listed a Jerry Wayne Patterson of Okmulgee who died in Jan '07. Age 60. (I can't post a link to the fee based site, sorry.)

[YellowDog]

There is a Henry Patterson, age 93, who lives N. E. of the city in Weleetka.

[evelyn24]

Flowerchild said Jerry D Patterson, and he's 62.
Where did FC go?
lol

[YellowDog]

Maybe Henry is his father.

[YellowDog]

Jerry D. Patterson of Weleetka is 62.

[YellowDog]

Henry E. Patterson, 61, and Jerry D. Patterson, 62, are relatives (probably sons) of Henry C. Patterson

[evelyn24]

Thanks for the info.

[SeriouslySearching]

I tried looking up some of the names associated with the court cases with no luck. I hope this isn't just a fluke. If they have this guy's DNA already and gave him a poly...they should already know if he is a POI or a suspect. They would put a rush on it if they felt like he was involved, I would think. I don't know what to think at this point.

[sheza]

If he is mental he probably went to a mental health facility instead of jail or being charged don't you think.

I think you are right. (Mental Hospital)

[sheza]

his two daughters were taken from him, and his wife back in the 80s

I remember that, the kids went to a couple in Pharoah, OK. didn't they?

Hi LifeSaver

[sheza]

I thought so too. Some come in here claiming to be locals and want to tell us enough to believe them, then nothing? I dont get it either. I mean, what's the point?

Are you talking to me? I'm here.

[FlowerChild]

Witnesses that are known to the locals (may not be ALL the witnesses, but these are the ones who are known to the locals to be witnesses)
3 people heard the shots
1 saw the girls walking very close to where they were shot (and possibly also the POI, witness and OSBI are evasive on that detail)
2 saw the POI (and one may have gotten a good close look at him)

Here's something important! Everyone assumes the POI was seen only on County Line Rd (the road the girls were found on) near where the bodies were, at or after the time of the murders - and LE and the OSBI have encouraged that assumption. BUT that may not be entirely true. It may be that the POI was seen before the shootings on a cross-road to County Line Road AND on County Line Road "near" where the girls were shot. So it is possible that the POI was seen before the shots were heard on another road, then was seen minutes before the shots were heard (at the time the girls were seen walking home) and then after the shots were heard near (or at) the location where the girls were found. If he did not kill the girls, there is no doubt he would have seen who DID kill them. Witnesses put him in the vicinity before and after the shots were fired and since then no-one has seen him.

This lends credence to an early theory that IF the POI was the shooter, he was watching the girls (and/or the Placker House) from somewhere else before he drove up or walked up and shot them. And THAT scenario means that the murders were planned at least several minutes before they happened - what we don't know is if the POI was after the girls specifically or was looking to shoot anyone from the Placker house, or was just looking for someone random to kill?

Creech IS NOT a suspect and has been cleared, Patterson remains on the list of possibles and has not been 100% cleared yet - evidently he does live alone and has no alibi for the time of the murders. He has been questioned, taken a poly and they have his DNA to match to any they MIGHT recover from the scene or the girls bodies. Patterson could have walked to the scene, shot the girls and walked back home thru the woods - nobody would have seen him (except maybe the POI?)

The girls were not sexually assaulted and there were no signs of physical abuse or sexual abuse reported by the ME. The parents of both girls (GPa and GMa in Taylor's case) have been questioned several times and are not suspects. The questioning of the families is ongoing but it is to gather information that might lead to potential suspects.

The POI remains the only person seen in the area that was not known to anyone and who was acting in a suspicious manner.

And that's what I have from my Contact for everyone this evening.
Again,nothing official, just info from a local person who wants the human garbage who did this removed from the streets for good.

My Opinion

[sheza]

FlowerChild, I live in Weleetka and everything you are saying is correct, I have heard the same things.

[Fairy1]

Witnesses that are known to the locals (may not be ALL the witnesses, but these are the ones who are known to the locals to be witnesses)
3 people heard the shots
1 saw the girls walking very close to where they were shot (and possibly also the POI, witness and OSBI are evasive on that detail)
2 saw the POI (and one may have gotten a good close look at him)

Here's something important! Everyone assumes the POI was seen only on County Line Rd (the road the girls were found on) near where the bodies were, at or after the time of the murders - and LE and the OSBI have encouraged that assumption. BUT that may not be entirely true. It may be that the POI was seen before the shootings on a cross-road to County Line Road AND on County Line Road "near" where the girls were shot. So it is possible that the POI was seen before the shots were heard on another road, then was seen minutes before the shots were heard (at the time the girls were seen walking home) and then after the shots were heard near (or at) the location where the girls were found. If he did not kill the girls, there is no doubt he would have seen who DID kill them. Witnesses put him in the vicinity before and after the shots were fired and since then no-one has seen him.

This lends credence to an early theory that IF the POI was the shooter, he was watching the girls (and/or the Placker House) from somewhere else before he drove up or walked up and shot them. And THAT scenario means that the murders were planned at least several minutes before they happened - what we don't know is if the POI was after the girls specifically or was looking to shoot anyone from the Placker house, or was just looking for someone random to kill?

Creech IS NOT a suspect and has been cleared, Patterson remains on the list of possibles and has not been 100% cleared yet - evidently he does live alone and has no alibi for the time of the murders. He has been questioned, taken a poly and they have his DNA to match to any they MIGHT recover from the scene or the girls bodies. Patterson could have walked to the scene, shot the girls and walked back home thru the woods - nobody would have seen him (except maybe the POI?)

The girls were not sexually assaulted and there were no signs of physical abuse or sexual abuse reported by the ME. The parents of both girls (GPa and GMa in Taylor's case) have been questioned several times and are not suspects. The questioning of the families is ongoing but it is to gather information that might lead to potential suspects.

The POI remains the only person seen in the area that was not known to anyone and who was acting in a suspicious manner.

And that's what I have from my Contact for everyone this evening.
Again,nothing official, just info from a local person who wants the human garbage who did this removed from the streets for good.

My Opinion
TY, TY, TY - FC. I have been trying so, so hard not to let the POI color my feelings on this case. After all, as far as we know - no one SAW him fire the shots, right? So......this could be a case of someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That - and it's been a bit of a struggle determining motive in terms of a stranger. This possibility makes so much more sense to me. Some crackpot with an imagined ax to grind. IDK.....

[SeriouslySearching]

Could the POI also be a victim and the reason no one has been able to find him? If he did come upon the girls and saw what happened at the time...could the shooter have been training a gun on him from inside the truck or elsewhere and why he acted "suspiciously"? Is it possible he was abducted at gunpoint and taken elsewhere?

[FlowerChild]

I tried looking up some of the names associated with the court cases with no luck. I hope this isn't just a fluke. If they have this guy's DNA already and gave him a poly...they should already know if he is a POI or a suspect. They would put a rush on it if they felt like he was involved, I would think. I don't know what to think at this point.
Don't think they have the DNA from the girls/crime scene yet, so OSBI may not have anything to match the suspect's DNA to at this point. And if they don't have the Killer(s) DNA sample, they just have to sit in a holding pattern with ANY potential suspects until they get results - and nobody has said for sure if there will even BE any Killer(s) DNA recovered.

Here in Texas, even a "rush" DNA analysis can take 6-8 weeks - and then once they have what they think is a good DNA profile (or even multiple profiles) they have to compare all the family first (to eliminate THEIR DNA), run it thru CODIS and then start thru the suspect's DNA samples. That can take sometimes 2-3 weeks per suspect - and that's IF they already began processing the family's DNA and any suspect's DNA as soon as they got it (and aren't waiting to see if there was any usable DNA from the crime scene). A full analysis with multiple suspects can take months and months (2 months for the original samples from the crime scene and 2 months for just the 1st batch of Suspect and family samples to be processed and matched. The schedule depends totally on the policy of the LE agency requesting anaylsis (and their budget).

We may hear by the end of July IF there is any usable DNA from the scene that is NOT supposed to be there. Even assuming there is DNA evidence, and it isn't already in CODIS it might be months before the killer's sample gets processed and matched.
With help from my Lab tech friend who knows this stuff....
My Opinion

[SeriouslySearching]

I remember that, the kids went to a couple in Pharoah, OK. didn't they?

This could give him a motive with a mental condition to kill the girls possibly. He might see his girls leaving as a betrayal from them not the system and when he saw the two girls (Skyla and Taylor) mistaking them for his own...he snapped. Just a thought.

[evelyn24]

Thank you , FC. You've provided a lot of information to think about.

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.kjrh.com/content/news/franchises/segment2/story.aspx?content_id=6c37933f-99b9-46ea-96e7-52f1467d6eb5

An Oklahoma community is on edge as investigators comb through evidence in the murders of two young girls.

The town of Weleetka, some residents say they remember... is peaceful, positive, and proud.

2NEWS Chief Meteorologist Dan Threlkeld dusted off his old yearbook and wondered if his former classmates feel the same way.

"I wanted my kids to grow up in a small town because I did. It was always a positive experience. It was always about school, band practice, football games, and dragging main."

[YellowDog]

I just can't believe the lack of information that is coming out of Weleetka on these murders. Even when a news article comes out, it's the same information over and over and nothing new. If they would just release a few tidbits, they might get some valuable information from the people who live around there.

[little726]

I just can't believe the lack of information that is coming out of Weleetka on these murders. Even when a news article comes out, it's the same information over and over and nothing new. If they would just release a few tidbits, they might get some valuable information from the people who live around there.

I have to agree with you, YellowDog. It has been VERY frustrating.

[YellowDog]

I just ran across this article published a while back that states the bodies were found in an isolated pasture area. I thought they were found in a ditch next to the road.

http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2008/jun/09/Weleetka/

If this is true, why were they in the pasture and not on the road? Were they trying to get away from someone?

[evelyn24]

They were found in a ditch next to the road. I can't speak for the writer of the article, but my guess is they meant the road itself is in an isolated area. In other words, you have to know it's there to travel it.

[YellowDog]

http://www.koco.com/video/16591747/index.html?rss=okl&psp=video

I was reviewing this video where they stated that two guns were used and that both guns were used on both girls. From the looks of that area, it wold be easy for the shooter or shooters to hide in the trees. I feel like it was only one shooter with two guns.

[evelyn24]

I think it's one shooter as well.

[GetSmart]

I ditto that it is one shooter.
I would believe the POI is just that except one thing. The way the truck was parked. Unless he was driving down the road saw something happening put on brakes & jumped out to see what he thought he saw & the killer was hauling butt & he looked at girls & said man-o man no one is going to believe me!!

[YellowDog]

I ditto that it is one shooter.
I would believe the POI is just that except one thing. The way the truck was parked. Unless he was driving down the road saw something happening put on brakes & jumped out to see what he thought he saw & the killer was hauling butt & he looked at girls & said man-o man no one is going to believe me!!

Or he could have seen the bodies lying beside the road and jumped out to give them aid and then realized they were already dead. And he could have blocked the road purposely by angling his vehicle so no one could pass the scene without him moving his truck.

[FlowerChild]

I ditto that it is one shooter.
I would believe the POI is just that except one thing. The way the truck was parked. Unless he was driving down the road saw something happening put on brakes & jumped out to see what he thought he saw & the killer was hauling butt & he looked at girls & said man-o man no one is going to believe me!!

If the POI isn't the shooter then he watched the whole thing go down- because other people saw the POI hanging out in the vicinity before the shots were heard. And obviously he went over to SEE what happened for himself - he was perhaps the ONLY person to see the bodies before GPa found them. If he isn't the shooter than he HAD to see what happened - and he went over to check it out up-close - other wise how would he have driven right to the bodies from where he was seen on the other road?

Based on what we know - the POI is either the shooter or SAW the shooter (and a vehicle if the shooter had one). Maybe he only saw and heard the shooting from a distance (that other road) and can't ID the person? If he was just a witness to the shooting I can see him NOT wanting to come forward - especially if he feels he can't ID the real killer. OR maybe he knows the killer and now the killer knows the POI saw him - and the POI is afraid of the killer coming after HIM? I can see him calling in a "tip" to LE and staying hidden - especially if he has anything in his past that makes him look more guilty. Maybe once the DNA is announced (if there is any) he will come forward if he is innocent. He might be waiting until LE has something definitive to clear him before he risks coming forward.

I don't know what theory is closest to the truth but I DO think it was one shooter with 2 guns.

It is possible it WAS the neighbor. The reason I say it is possible because I can see the neighbor walking thru the woods, waiting by the road or calling the girls over, shooting them, and going back home thru the woods. I say this because this guy would have been "known" by the girls and they would maybe have walked right over to him. And because except for the POI, nobody saw anyone driving away from the crime scene, hanging around the area, or AT the crime scene - if it wasn't the POI, then where was the killer before he killed? After he killed? And why did nobody see him OR his vehicle?

So I see TWO possible senarios for the killer - no motive for either yet, I don't think the motive is as important at this point, I just want the POS caught

1. The POI - not a local, who was looking for SOMEONE to kill - he waited for the victims or any victims to show up - he then drove over, killed them and calmly left the area and was in hiding or far away within 24 hours.
2. Someone local on foot - he either lives nearby or parked his vehicle nearby came and went thru the woods, killed the girls and went back into the woods home or to his vehicle. He wasn't seen on the road or in the area because he wasn't where he could be seen and wasn't in a vehicle that was seen. By the time the girls were found he was home or in his vehicle and was at or headed to a public place where there wer people around where he could possibly say he was at the time of the killing.

In either case I predict that the guns are history - unless its the crazy neighbor and he can't bear to get rid of his guns, and just hid them somewhere. The killer must know by now that the guns can link him to the crime and would get rid of them - either pitch them or sell them for a few bucks to some random unsuspecting criminal he met in a bar or "around" wherever he is hiding out.

Just my thoughts at the moment - subject to change as we learn more....

My Opinion

[FlowerChild]

Or he could have seen the bodies lying beside the road and jumped out to give them aid and then realized they were already dead. And he could have blocked the road purposely by angling his vehicle so no one could pass the scene without him moving his truck.
If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

[SeriouslySearching]

Could the POI also be a victim and the reason no one has been able to find him? If he did come upon the girls and saw what happened at the time...could the shooter have been training a gun on him from inside the truck or elsewhere and why he acted "suspiciously"? Is it possible he was abducted at gunpoint and taken elsewhere?In case someone missed it. :rolleyes:

[philamena]

In case someone missed it. :rolleyes:

Interesting SS.
How many missing persons have been reported in that area since the girls were murdered?

[SeriouslySearching]

None that I am aware of, Philamena. However, if he was a transient type...who would report him?

[frogjustfrog]

Wow, FlowerChild. You certainly give us alot to think about. I enjoy your postings. Something that I am lost on though, is the "other road" a hypothesis, or did I miss something? I have gone back to look but dont find anything.
This whole thing is just so sad. But I believe we can all find something good in it. Something that will teach us a lesson to better our own lives, or even the lives of others. We need to try to find something in it that IS good, even if it is just turning turtles over, or removing them from the road, or something else.... in honor and in memory of these precious little girls.

[DeltaDawn]

Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.

[EnvoyDriver61]

The potential problem with the POI was also killed scenario is the lack of gunfire reports following the initial gunfire (there would have been more time between the ones reported that LE believes was the girls) and then there would be other gunfire reported one would think if the POI was killed shortly thereafter.

Another potential problem is that GPa Placker is walking up that road starting at about 5:18 or so. It doesn't take long, at any speed MPH (and he'd be going as fast as he could, I'd think being somewhat concerned with the cell phone not being answered and knowing that Skyla's mother was on the way and wanted Skyla ready) to go 300 yards.

The shortest time frame for all this to occur is 5:10 to 5:18 (cell phone not answered to when GPa was on the road and didn't see anything to make him hurry). The longest time frame is 5:00 to 5:18 or so. I think LE has discounted the girls being killed before 5:00 because of tracks, reports, and the belief they made the bridge and were walking back.

[Tom'sGirl]

Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.
LOL, hiya DD!:Banane19:

[shoregirl]

Wow, FlowerChild. You certainly give us alot to think about. I enjoy your postings. Something that I am lost on though, is the "other road" a hypothesis, or did I miss something? I have gone back to look but dont find anything.
This whole thing is just so sad. But I believe we can all find something good in it. Something that will teach us a lesson to better our own lives, or even the lives of others. We need to try to find something in it that IS good, even if it is just turning turtles over, or removing them from the road, or something else.... in honor and in memory of these precious little girls.

I am a IS board refugee, interested and posting on this case. I have read your last few pages and was wondering if I could get a feel for this board. I also want to be assured that the family is not at all involved. I know that is a very tricky line to cross but so many times the family is involved. IS has been down awhile so bear with me. Has the person who saw the POI been cleared of any involvement? Has the local been gossip been leaning in any certain direction. Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA

[hannahsnana]

I posted this on another forum also. Does anyone still think about the fact that Skyla's brother was convicted of murder, and then she was murdered? I mean, what are the odds? Does anyone know if her brother moved with the family to Weleetka, or did he stay in Baxter Springs, KS?

[Ruflossn]

I posted this on another forum also. Does anyone still think about the fact that Skyla's brother was convicted of murder, and then she was murdered? I mean, what are the odds? Does anyone know if her brother moved with the family to Weleetka, or did he stay in Baxter Springs, KS?

Hello All~

From what I understand about Skyla's brother is that he was still in Kansas. I do not think he was living in Weleetka. I will have to double check the facts.......

[Ruflossn]

"I am a IS board refugee",

HI Shoregirl~

What is an IS board refugee?:waitasec:

[EnvoyDriver61]

Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA

From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.

[Ruflossn]

From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.

Envoy Driver,

I agree with you. I do not think there was any urgency in the mother coming to pick up Skyla. I think she called just to tell Sklya and Taylors parents that she was on her way and to please have Sklya and her things ready to leave.

JMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

The potential problem with the POI was also killed scenario is the lack of gunfire reports following the initial gunfire (there would have been more time between the ones reported that LE believes was the girls) and then there would be other gunfire reported one would think if the POI was killed shortly thereafter.

Another potential problem is that GPa Placker is walking up that road starting at about 5:18 or so. It doesn't take long, at any speed MPH (and he'd be going as fast as he could, I'd think being somewhat concerned with the cell phone not being answered and knowing that Skyla's mother was on the way and wanted Skyla ready) to go 300 yards.

The shortest time frame for all this to occur is 5:10 to 5:18 (cell phone not answered to when GPa was on the road and didn't see anything to make him hurry). The longest time frame is 5:00 to 5:18 or so. I think LE has discounted the girls being killed before 5:00 because of tracks, reports, and the belief they made the bridge and were walking back.Not if there were no gunshots fired. Perhaps...as I said before...he was held at gunpoint and forced to drive elsewhere also giving the perp a way out of the area.

[GetSmart]

I agree she was just picking up her daughter..who knows what they had planned for Mon..or her chores & animals that needed attention. It was just time to come home.

[oceanblueeyes]

From various newsreports, it does seem like she wanted Skyla home all of a sudden because the reports fail to indicate that the sleepover the girls had was the previous night. Reports give the impression they were BEGINNING the sleepover, when, in fact, they were ending it.

So, the mother was ready to pick up her daughter who had spent the previous (Saturday) evening with Taylor as well as a good part of Sunday already. There really wasn't an urgency to her request that suggests she might have felt her daughter was in danger.

I agree. Skyla's mother wasn't rushing at all. I know when my grands have overnight company they don't usually leave until the following afternoon around 4pm or 5 pm.

It was just a typical, normal, laid back, Sunday afternoon imo and that is what is so scary.

imoo

[EnvoyDriver61]

Not if there were no gunshots fired. Perhaps...as I said before...he was held at gunpoint and forced to drive elsewhere also giving the perp a way out of the area.

True. It just seems that if they were all hellbent on killing two girls then and there and had the means to do so, the POI wouldn't be any more difficult, except that you do have to take into consideration about what to do with the car.

To me, there's just too much thought, prep, quick thinking that had to occur in a very short amount of time for the POI to have been a victim as well. It's possible though.

[shoregirl]

"I am a IS board refugee",

HI Shoregirl~

What is an IS board refugee?:waitasec:

In Session trials, the board was hacked.

[Ruflossn]

In Session trials, the board was hacked.

Hacked? What a bummer.

Was that the board from Crime T.V. or something? I was directed there last week and found that is was unavailable or something to that affect.

[oceanblueeyes]

I am a IS board refugee, interested and posting on this case. I have read your last few pages and was wondering if I could get a feel for this board. I also want to be assured that the family is not at all involved. I know that is a very tricky line to cross but so many times the family is involved. IS has been down awhile so bear with me. Has the person who saw the POI been cleared of any involvement? Has the local been gossip been leaning in any certain direction. Do we know why the mother wanted her daughter home all of a sudden? I have always thought there seems to be a lot of anger in this killing, more personal. TIA

Welcome!

Agent Brown said they have several witnesses that saw the POI that day, not just one.

Her mom didn't want her home early. Skyla had been there since Saturday and it was getting later in the day on Sunday before she even called to say she was coming to get her.

I use to think overkill meant the crime was done by someone known to the victims. I no longer believe that. We are seeing the most brutal, heinous crimes imaginable being committed on total strangers.

Just read a story where one man was stabbed over a 190 times and the other man who lived there was stabbed over 50 times, iirc and the motive was burglary.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

I was thinking this would be excellent theorizing for a defense attorney to project if this person is indeed found, arrested and stands trial.

However; I personally do not believe in coincidences that are happening at the same time almost simultaneously. If he just saw the girls and pulled over then the vehicle approaching would have also seen the "real" killer leaving the scene. There also would be other descriptions coming out from LE of others seen on that road right around the time of the murders that they need to speak with. He has always been the only one LE has ever mentioned that they need to talk to. IMO he is it and they know it already and are keeping that evidence close to their vest. As long as they list him a POI then the stress is lessened than if they admit he is the suspect at large. By them labeling him as such in the public they can pretend he may just not be involved and it takes some of the pressure off of them while they look for him.

I think the time line they have gathered puts him there and not by happenstance or a coincidence. I think also that they are very comfortable with the time line and their witnesses and what went down, where and when.

imoo

[shoregirl]

Hacked? What a bummer.

Was that the board from Crime T.V. or something? I was directed there last week and found that is was unavailable or something to that affect.

Yes it used to be CTV. It has been down awhile now. I am going through board withdrawal but am glad you are so up on this horrible crime here.

[Fairy1]

If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

This is pretty much what I imagine happened. The POI is afraid to come forward for some reason, but he is not the killer. The timeframe in this case is so very short. I have a hard time believing that some random stranger just happened upon the girls on that road and blew them away. Makes no sense to me! IMO

[Alcina]

Flowerchild,
I love your postings...but I have to admit that they are way too long..always for me to read through. Could you be more succinct in what you are saying..I just need to have more info less words when I read posts here.

I think that many times your very good thoughts get lost..because many people don't take the time to read your entire response. Less wordy..more to the point would be helpful here. We need your imput..but we can't read such long posts continually.

I totally agree! Flowerchild has wonderful posts. I often have to skip/skim them though since they are so long. :crazy:

[Ruflossn]

Yes it used to be CTV. It has been down awhile now. I am going through board withdrawal but am glad you are so up on this horrible crime here.

Welcome Shoregirl!
Personally, I am a huge fan of W.S.

Again, Welcome~

[oceanblueeyes]

I totally agree! Flowerchild has wonderful posts. I often have to skip/skim them though since they are so long. :crazy:

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.:)

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

[Ruflossn]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.:)

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

[GetSmart]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.:)

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo


I am on the same page w/OceanB

[Alcina]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.:)

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo

Oh I agree they are totally compelling, imformative and interesting. It's just most times I have a few minutes here and there to read and it kills me that I can't read all of hers all the time. I depend (sometimes) on others to reply to a specific point and go from there. I guess it's mostly us readers who have little time that find it a bit harder, but really want to hear what she has to say.

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

I enjoy Oceans posts too! One of my favorites! :clap:

[oceanblueeyes]

Ditto from me.
Ocean, I also have to say that I enjoy your posts. I read them all over the board and find them pleasant and agreeable.

:clap:

Why thank you Ruflossn. I have enjoyed your posts as well. I read all posts no matter what forum I am on, whether it be short posts or long ones.

I sure wish we would get some breaking news.

I keep hoping everyday will bring the day these families want to see come so badly.

I do remember how disheartened I became when Dylan and Shasta were missing and no news at all was coming out about them. I almost lost hope they would ever be found but it did happen even if it was too late for little Dylan. (RIP, sweetie) They finally got the POS that destroyed that family.

So it can happen and I hope it does for these families......soon.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

Oh I agree they are totally compelling, informative and interesting. It's just most times I have a few minutes here and there to read and it kills me that I can't read all of hers all the time. I depend (sometimes) on others to reply to a specific point and go from there. I guess it's mostly us readers who have little time that find it a bit harder, but really want to hear what she has to say.



I enjoy Oceans posts too! One of my favorites! :clap:

Oh my, thank you so much. :blowkiss: What a nice compliment.

I do understand what you mean, Alcina. It wasn't long ago I was having to juggle so many things. Now that I have retired I do have much more time than probably others do who still have to do that amazing multi-tasking I did for those long years.

imoo

[Alcina]

Oh my, thank you so much. :blowkiss: What a nice compliment.

I do understand what you mean, Alcina. It wasn't long ago I was having to juggle so many things. Now that I have retired I do have much more time than probably others do who still have to do that amazing multi-tasking I did for those long years.

imoo

I totally meant it. No matter the thread, I read all of your posts and enjoy them.

I hope I didn't come off that I was so important and had so much to do that I couldn't read the whole posts of FC. I didn't mean that at all. :confused:

[frogjustfrog]

Isn't it strange how some like things that others do not.:)

I love FlowerChild's post because they are very detailed. I don't have to wonder what she/he is saying because they lay it out succinctly with a lot of thought.

But then I love to read and the long posts are totally compelling, informative and interesting to me.

imo
I love them too... just the way they are.:)

[Ruflossn]

Frog,
Did you get my last IM?

[oceanblueeyes]

I totally meant it. No matter the thread, I read all of your posts and enjoy them.

I hope I didn't come off that I was so important and had so much to do that I couldn't read the whole posts of FC. I didn't mean that at all. :confused:

Absolutely not. Other posters have mentioned the same thing about other posters from time to time who tend to make longer posts. I am guilty of making lengthy posts, myself, and I do realize that everyone doesn't prefer them to the shorter ones but I just plunk along, Ocean style, cuz that is just me.:crazy:

It is normal imo for some to prefer the short posts over the long ones or vice versa. We aren't clones of each other and that is one of the things that makes this site great imo.

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

Frog,
Did you get my last IM?
Yes I did. Sleep well. :woohoo:

[oceanblueeyes]

I love them too... just the way they are.:)

Well HI there frog.:) I have been wondering where you were today. I have missed you and hope you have been doing well.

We all need to pray extra hard tonight that justice will be done for these precious girls and pray that it comes soon.

This has got to be torture for these families and not knowing who or why.

imoo

[frogjustfrog]

Thank you! I've been around, popping in and out to see what is going on. I work days so I just have time here and there to check on things.
I'm feeling pretty humble right now. Feeling like we all DO need to pray alot about this. I know the Lord hears our prayers.
Its horrible that tragic things like this happen, but like I think I mentioned earlier, if nothing else, we can let some good come out of this, by making a difference somewhere, or with someone, when we think about how suddenly and how horribly these little girls died.
Pardon me. I'm having a rough time finding words right now. I seem to be having one of those tough moments. Ya know? It just all seems so senseless. So lets not let it be. Lets find a way, to give the girls tribute for their deaths, by allowing something really wonderful happen from all this.
I think I am going to bed. I'm pretty emotional right now.
sleep well, all.:blowkiss:

[GetSmart]

For those of us that want to we should agree on a time & all say our prayer at the same time ...

[YellowDog]

If I saw a body (or two bodies) lying beside the road I was driving on I would - slam on my brakes, and pull to the side of the road - if I was too far past them I would back up or turn around, and go back to the spot. I any case when I parked, I would not be thinking about HOW I parked or whether I was in the road (especially if it was a dirt road) - I would be running to the bodies to see if they needed help. At the same time I would be dialing 911 on my cell phone, IF I had a phone with me anyway.

Taylor was lying almost in the road and would have been clearly visible from a passing car - not so much Skyla, but Taylor would have been obvious. I wonder if the "Good Samaritan POI" (he didn't kill the girls and just drove by and saw them) found the bodies lying face down (as they fell) and turned one or both the bodies face up and laid them out so he could see if they were alive? Maybe that is why LE hasn't given body position (or wound locations) info to the media? Maybe that is so they can ID the POI and perhaps establish if he is the "Killer POI" or the "Good Samaritan POI" based on what he says he saw and did at the scene? That could also be why the 911 call isn't being released - perhaps GPa describes how he found the girls and LE knows from the evidence that SOMEONE ELSE moved one or both girls shortly after they were shot?

IE: Killer shoots both girls, they fall forward or crumple forward where they stood. Killer leaves scene.
POI arrives, maybe sees killer, maybe not, sees bodies, makes u-turn (leaving tire tracks?), parks awkwardly, leaving half the vehicle sticking across the road, gets out, runs to bodies (leaving footprints?), turns one or both girls over and stretches them out on their backs, checks for pulse - no pulse. POI knows people saw him and his truck in the area, is a meth head or has drugs or stolen stuff in his truck, or has a rap sheet for violent crimes, he is from OKC or Tulsa, was out looking for something to steal in the country, does NOT want to be talking to cops, or be connected to two dead girls so he gets in his truck and leaves the area ASAP.
GPA finds girls - calls 911, describes scene he found, does not touch girls because they are lying on their backs and are clearly dead.
LE arrives, photographs scene, talks to GPa. They look at blood evidence, crushed vegetation etc and determine the girls were in one position when they died and SOMEONE put them on their backs. Hear evidence about POI in area or at scene - no way to know if POI is killer or Good Samaritan who MAY have seen the real killer.

My Opinion

Do you think there is any possibility that the Grandfather saw this POI when he was approaching the murder scene and that is when this person took off? The thing that I keep thinking about is the short time frame in which all of this took place. It would have taken the Grandfather several minutes to walk to where the girls were and he would have been looking down the road as he walked that way. If not, the POI would have had to have been gone already by this time and that would narrow the time down even more.

[FlowerChild]

Some pretty astounding info here!!!
This is more about the Whitakers and Skyla's Grandparents the Farrows
I am sorry this is so long, but all the information "goes together" and would not make sense in several shorter posts. I will bold the highlights but everyone should read THIS!!!

The Farrows BOTH work for a Mr Chancey, who lives up the road (North of Bad Creek) from the Plackers and owns the house the Plackers live in (the Plackers rent from Mr Chancey). Mr Chancey owns a LOT of property in the area. Skyla's GMa Claudia Farrow is Mr Chancey's housekeeper (not a veterinarian). Mr Farrow (Jimmy) is a handyman/ranch hand for Mr Chancey and also does ranch hand type work for other people in the area. Skyla's mother (Rose Whitaker) stopped by Mr Chancey's house to drop something off to Claudia Farrow and when she was leaving she called the Plackers to say she was coming to pick Skyla up.... she was just a matter of minutes away from where the girls were killed when they were killed.

Mr Chancey is an important connection we didn't have between the Whitakers and The Farrows and the Plackers. It's interesting that the POI was seen very near the Chancey house BEFORE the girls were shot and one or both of the Farrows are there at that location almost daily. Evidently there are rumors that there is (and maybe was previously) some "friction" between the Farrows and the Plackers???

My contact thought it was hysterical that the public thinks Claudia Farrow is a vet - his term for her wasn't rude, but it was derogatory so I won't repeat it here. Let's just say that The Farrows were not highly regarded in the community before this happened and the idea that Claudia got on TV and either said she was a vet or implied that she was and Jimmy was on TV passing judgement on the area by saying it was a "bad, drug infested" place has PO'd most of the people around there. My contact's advice was NOT to believe anything either of them say including that Claudia was allowed to touch or even SEE Skyla's body at the scene. According the LE who were there the whole time, she did not get any closer than the crime scene perimeter, although she tried. She embarrassed Rose (Skyla's Mother).

Jimmy Farrow is NOT Rose's Father. When Claudia Farrow moved to the area several years ago after she married Jimmy Farrow, she did not have custody of her two daughters (Rose and her sister). The local info is that she lost custody - either to DHS or she gave the girls to her sister to raise (maybe DHS took them and gave them to her sister?). Claudia and Jimmy have a son Jimmy Jr, Jimmy is not around and hasn't been for a long time, some people in Weleetka believe he has died. Nobody in Weleetka knew Claudia had daughters until Rose and her husband moved to the area from Kansas with Skyla and her little sister. Big shock to everyone around there.

The Whitakers live next door to the Farrows - over toward Henryetta, OK. I have their location - it's 8 miles South of I-40 near the Indian Nation Turnpike. It's about 10 miles East of the Placker house as the crow flies - probably a 15-20 mile drive though.

Rose Whitaker and her Mother/Stepfather do not really get along that well and the Whitakers are not close (as in family close) to the Farrows. Skyla was not close to the Farrows either. The Whitakers are not dealing with losing Skyla very well. William (Skyla's Stepfather) is the only one my contact says he would trust information from. If William says it, according to my contact, it is correct - and the Whitakers are upset that so much of what is being said is not accurate.

And the last bit - Skyla's brother is indeed in jail in Kansas and has not been in the area. He is going to go to prison. Rose was already very upset about THAT and then Skyla was murdered. The family was dealing with a lot of different family issues and Skyla's murder (and the circumstances) has really pushed them to the edge

Sorry, this is long already but I have to add that we haven't looked into the Farrow's history at all, and not very much into the Whitakers or Rose Whitaker's exes and other children by those fathers - we know the family has been cleared, but that doesn't mean the killer wasn't somebody upset with the Farrows or Whitakers. Where the POI was seen BEFORE the shots were fired was close to the Chancey location where the Farrows worked and where ROSE WHITAKER was when the girls were killed. Could that mean the killer was associated with Skyla and NOT TAYLOR??? Could the killer have KNOWN that Rose was going to pick up Skyla in a few minutes because he saw her car at the Chancey's?? Could the POI (or the killer) have FOLLOWED Rose from the Whitaker/Farrow houses to where Skyla was? Did the killer think the Plackers were related to the Farrows or the Whitakers??? We have assumed it was the Placker family that might have the connection to the killer, because of the proximity to their home, but it turns out that the Farrows worked nearby and Rose Whitaker went to that location before she was to pick up Skyla right down the road. The 3 families were a lot closer and in different ways than just the kids being best friends.

Sleuth away guys!

Again, all info above is from my Weleetka contact - it is not official - just what an informed local person knows but I have checked out the verifiable info - like the locations/owners of property etc and it does check out.

My Opinion

[ArizonaGiGi]

~snip~

(quote; FlowerChild) Mr Chancey is an important connection we didn't have between the Whitakers and The Farrows and the Plackers. It's interesting that the POI was seen very near the Chancey house BEFORE the girls were shot and one or both of the Farrows are there at that location almost daily. Evidently there are rumors that there is (and maybe was previously) some "friction" between the Farrows and the Plackers???

*******************
FC, I haven't heard this before. I have tried hard to read every post on here, but I never heard that the POI was seen anywhere else besides the crime scene. Where did this info come from and when. I know you've recently gotten a local connection - is that where the info came from? How the heck did I miss that!!! Goin' crazy here.

I am wondering too, like you, if we have focused on the wrong victim. We have mostly assumed it was a connection to Taylor when it very well could have been connected to Skyla's side. Interesting that Skyla's Gma is NOT a veterinarian. Heck why didn't she say she was a surgeon or NASA scientist if she was going to lie. Go all out, lol.
I predict many more surprising tidbits of information about Skyla's family to come out in the near future!
Good job and Thanks

[little726]

Great job, FC, on getting this information.

[GetSmart]

Wow FC Great Post. Thanks for all the info. You are such a good Sleuther. That explains a lot.

[GetSmart]

FlowerChild Posted; Some pretty astounding info here!!!
This is more about the Whitakers and Skyla's Grandparents the Farrows
I am sorry this is so long, but all the information "goes together" and would not make sense in several shorter posts. I will bold the highlights but everyone should read THIS!!!

The Farrows BOTH work for a Mr Chancey, who lives up the road (North of Bad Creek) from the Plackers and owns the house the Plackers live in (the Plackers rent from Mr Chancey). Mr Chancey owns a LOT of property in the area. Skyla's GMa Claudia Farrow is Mr Chancey's housekeeper (not a veterinarian). Mr Farrow (Jimmy) is a handyman/ranch hand for Mr Chancey and also does ranch hand type work for other people in the area. Skyla's mother (Rose Whitaker) stopped by Mr Chancey's house to drop something off to Claudia Farrow and when she was leaving she called the Plackers to say she was coming to pick Skyla up.... she was just a matter of minutes away from where the girls were killed when they were killed.

Mr Chancey is an important connection we didn't have between the Whitakers and The Farrows and the Plackers. It's interesting that the POI was seen very near the Chancey house BEFORE the girls were shot and one or both of the Farrows are there at that location almost daily. Evidently there are rumors that there is (and maybe was previously) some "friction" between the Farrows and the Plackers???

My contact thought it was hysterical that the public thinks Claudia Farrow is a vet - his term for her wasn't rude, but it was derogatory so I won't repeat it here. Let's just say that The Farrows were not highly regarded in the community before this happened and the idea that Claudia got on TV and either said she was a vet or implied that she was and Jimmy was on TV passing judgement on the area by saying it was a "bad, drug infested" place has PO'd most of the people around there. My contact's advice was NOT to believe anything either of them say including that Claudia was allowed to touch or even SEE Skyla's body at the scene. According the LE who were there the whole time, she did not get any closer than the crime scene perimeter, although she tried. She embarrassed Rose (Skyla's Mother).

Jimmy Farrow is NOT Rose's Father. When Claudia Farrow moved to the area several years ago after she married Jimmy Farrow, she did not have custody of her two daughters (Rose and her sister). The local info is that she lost custody - either to DHS or she gave the girls to her sister to raise (maybe DHS took them and gave them to her sister?). Claudia and Jimmy have a son Jimmy Jr, Jimmy is not around and hasn't been for a long time, some people in Weleetka believe he has died. Nobody in Weleetka knew Claudia had daughters until Rose and her husband moved to the area from Kansas with Skyla and her little sister. Big shock to everyone around there.

The Whitakers live next door to the Farrows - over toward Henryetta, OK. I have their location - it's 8 miles South of I-40 near the Indian Nation Turnpike. It's about 10 miles East of the Placker house as the crow flies - probably a 15-20 mile drive though.

Rose Whitaker and her Mother/Stepfather do not really get along that well and the Whitakers are not close (as in family close) to the Farrows. Skyla was not close to the Farrows either. The Whitakers are not dealing with losing Skyla very well. William (Skyla's Stepfather) is the only one my contact says he would trust information from. If William says it, according to my contact, it is correct - and the Whitakers are upset that so much of what is being said is not accurate.

And the last bit - Skyla's brother is indeed in jail in Kansas and has not been in the area. He is going to go to prison. Rose was already very upset about THAT and then Skyla was murdered. The family was dealing with a lot of different family issues and Skyla's murder (and the circumstances) has really pushed them to the edge

Sorry, this is long already but I have to add that we haven't looked into the Farrow's history at all, and not very much into the Whitakers or Rose Whitaker's exes and other children by those fathers - we know the family has been cleared, but that doesn't mean the killer wasn't somebody upset with the Farrows or Whitakers. Where the POI was seen BEFORE the shots were fired was close to the Chancey location where the Farrows worked and where ROSE WHITAKER was when the girls were killed. Could that mean the killer was associated with Skyla and NOT TAYLOR??? Could the killer have KNOWN that Rose was going to pick up Skyla in a few minutes because he saw her car at the Chancey's?? Could the POI (or the killer) have FOLLOWED Rose from the Whitaker/Farrow houses to where Skyla was? Did the killer think the Plackers were related to the Farrows or the Whitakers??? We have assumed it was the Placker family that might have the connection to the killer, because of the proximity to their home, but it turns out that the Farrows worked nearby and Rose Whitaker went to that location before she was to pick up Skyla right down the road. The 3 families were a lot closer and in different ways than just the kids being best friends.

Sleuth away guys!

Again, all info above is from my Weleetka contact - it is not official - just what an informed local person knows but I have checked out the verifiable info - like the locations/owners of property etc and it does check out.

My Opinion[/quote

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[Claycat]

FlowerChild, that is absolutely great information! Thank your contact for us! Thank you for posting that here!

:)

[oceanblueeyes]

Do you think there is any possibility that the Grandfather saw this POI when he was approaching the murder scene and that is when this person took off? The thing that I keep thinking about is the short time frame in which all of this took place. It would have taken the Grandfather several minutes to walk to where the girls were and he would have been looking down the road as he walked that way. If not, the POI would have had to have been gone already by this time and that would narrow the time down even more.

YellowDog, I am not FlowerChild and I am sure they will answer your question but this is my opinion.

To me one of the best things they have going for them in this case IS the time line. We don't see that many cases that have been narrowed down so tightly so that the ME and LE have the TOD so close. In most cases it is a guesstimated variable time span.

I think OSBI shortly after the murders occurred had their own reenactment experts come in and they took the evidence at the scene, the times that the witnesses said things occurred and what each one of them saw and have defined the time line succinctly. .

This entire path walked was only 1/2 mile long one way. That's it. Locals have said it is only 1/2 a mile to the bridge so from the Placker home to there is the entire overall area they are dealing with.

I do not believe Mr. Placker would have seen the murderer. IMO the girls were already dead when PP tried to call Taylor on her cell phone and it went unanswered. Marc Klass has said before that a person can leave an area, averaging a mile per minute. That would be more than ample time for the perp to flee without being seen by PP but I do think he was seen and it is all around the time frame of approx 5:10 pm when the girls would have had ample time to make it back to the spot they were shot and murdered

I think OSBI has the time line down to almost a science by now and they know, although they will not come out and say it, that this POI was seen by several witnesses in that time period in the targeted area 1/2 mile area. Not one word has ever been said by OSBI that they are looking for anyone else but this POI. That speaks volumes to me.

The witness who saw the girls walking and where has boxed him in even tighter imo because LE will take that sighting/time and they will know how long it would have taken the girls to get to the point where the murders occurred.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

Riveting information, FlowerChild.

Thank you for sharing any information that you may have from your personal contact. It indeed is enlightening and causes one to .....:waitasec:

imoo

[Ruflossn]

Flower Child~
You rock!!!! :)

Thanks for the information. Do we know Mr. Chancey's first name? I would be interested in knowing more about his personal life / public life.

[christine2448]

Awesome sleuthing y'all! Thanks FC for taking all the time and bringing this info to everyone.

[TGIRecovered]

FlowerChild, if anyone ever kills me, you are personally invited to snoop around and find the killer. I admire your tenacity.

Susan

[gine]

Does anyone know what the brother is in jail for? Wonder if it could be some type of revenge thing going on - especially if he "plea" bargained. I've not kept up with the threads on this case, but when reading FC's long post, that is what hit me.

[winteryns]

WOW FlowerChild WOW!!:eek:

[oceanblueeyes]

Does anyone know what the brother is in jail for? Wonder if it could be some type of revenge thing going on - especially if he "plea" bargained. I've not kept up with the threads on this case, but when reading FC's long post, that is what hit me.

The brother is in jail awaiting sentencing for 2nd Degree Murder. He did a plea deal with the DA that he would testify against the co-defendants and will be sentenced to 10 years. They had originally charged Gordon with 1st Degree also.

He will be sentenced July 29th and the other last defendant did a plea deal last Friday, irrc and will be sentenced to life.

The DA did say though that the sentencing for Gordon could be in September at the same time Graham will be sentenced.

imoo

[YellowDog]

There is a Durward Chancey and a Devin Chancey in Weleetka. Maybe father and son?

[YellowDog]

Durward Duane Chancey is 76 and his wife's name is Florence A. Chancey.

[YellowDog]

Devin D. Chancey is 49, so probably is the son.

[YellowDog]

Has anyone besides me ever thought it was strange that Taylor slept on the floor in a sleeping bag? I don't know why, but for some reason that stuck in my mind as being unusual and rather temporary.

[Claycat]

Has anyone besides me ever thought it was strange that Taylor slept on the floor in a sleeping bag? I don't know why, but for some reason that stuck in my mind as being unusual and rather temporary.

Kids take their sleeping bags in front of the TV in case they fall asleep watching a late movie. When I was young I used to fall asleep on the couch.

[Claycat]

The brother is in jail awaiting sentencing for 2nd Degree Murder. He did a plea deal with the DA that he would testify against the co-defendants and will be sentenced to 10 years. They had originally charged Gordon with 1st Degree also.

He will be sentenced July 29th and the other last defendant did a plea deal last Friday, irrc and will be sentenced to life.

The DA did say though that the sentencing for Gordon could be in September at the same time Graham will be sentenced.

imoo

The fact that he did a plea bargain made me speculate that this might be a motive for payback.

[YellowDog]

Hi Ocean:
Thanks for your input. I, too, believe the time line is critical. I don't think this was a sexual crime.......broad daylight and on the side of the road with the possibility of people from the bridge walking by or cars passing. The phone call from the grandfather could actually have come before the shootings. The killer could have said, "Don't answer that."



YellowDog, I am not FlowerChild and I am sure they will answer your question but this is my opinion.

To me one of the best things they have going for them in this case IS the time line. We don't see that many cases that have been narrowed down so tightly so that the ME and LE have the TOD so close. In most cases it is a guesstimated variable time span.

I think OSBI shortly after the murders occurred had their own reenactment experts come in and they took the evidence at the scene, the times that the witnesses said things occurred and what each one of them saw and have defined the time line succinctly. .

This entire path walked was only 1/2 mile long one way. That's it. Locals have said it is only 1/2 a mile to the bridge so from the Placker home to there is the entire overall area they are dealing with.

I do not believe Mr. Placker would have seen the murderer. IMO the girls were already dead when PP tried to call Taylor on her cell phone and it went unanswered. Marc Klass has said before that a person can leave an area, averaging a mile per minute. That would be more than ample time for the perp to flee without being seen by PP but I do think he was seen and it is all around the time frame of approx 5:10 pm when the girls would have had ample time to make it back to the spot they were shot and murdered

I think OSBI has the time line down to almost a science by now and they know, although they will not come out and say it, that this POI was seen by several witnesses in that time period in the targeted area 1/2 mile area. Not one word has ever been said by OSBI that they are looking for anyone else but this POI. That speaks volumes to me.

The witness who saw the girls walking and where has boxed him in even tighter imo because LE will take that sighting/time and they will know how long it would have taken the girls to get to the point where the murders occurred.

imoo

[Morag]

From page 2 of this thread, discussing Jerry Patterson, who is an eccentric neighbor of the Plackers:
Originally Posted by LifeSaver
his two daughters were taken from him, and his wife back in the 80s I remember that, the kids went to a couple in Pharoah, OK. didn't they?

From FlowerChild's recent (and very interesting) post:

When Claudia Farrow moved to the area several years ago after she married Jimmy Farrow, she did not have custody of her two daughters (Rose and her sister). The local info is that she lost custody - either to DHS or she gave the girls to her sister to raise (maybe DHS took them and gave them to her sister?).

Now is this just a mere coincidence, or is there any possibility that Jerry Patterson was married to Claudia Farrow?

[SailorMoon]

I remember too how I had given up that Shasta and Dylan would ever be found and then bam...out of the blue on a weekend, while checking news on the internet on my phone because I was bored...there's little Shasta found in a Denny's. I keep hoping that is what happens here. But it seemed like forever and I remember that day that Shasta was found so well that you could have knocked me over with a feather!!


**respectfully snipped**

I do remember how disheartened I became when Dylan and Shasta were missing and no news at all was coming out about them. I almost lost hope they would ever be found but it did happen even if it was too late for little Dylan. (RIP, sweetie) They finally got the POS that destroyed that family.

So it can happen and I hope it does for these families......soon.

imoo

[LifeSaver]

I don't see that as odd at all. School is out, parents go to bed early because of getting up early for work , kids stay up later playing games, and such. Maybe, the a/c keeps the livingroom cooler. My daughter always wanted to sleep as close as she could to me, and made the pallet on the floor her bed lots of times.

[LifeSaver]

FlowerChild, your post had me on the edge of my seat. Very accurate statements in your post.All facts, and written like a PRO. I give you 5 stars for your enlighening posts!!

[FlowerChild]

Witnesses that are known to the locals (may not be ALL the witnesses, but these are the ones who are known to the locals to be witnesses)
3 people heard the shots
1 saw the girls walking very close to where they were shot (and possibly also the POI, witness and OSBI are evasive on that detail)
2 saw the POI (and one may have gotten a good close look at him)

Here's something important! Everyone assumes the POI was seen only on County Line Rd (the road the girls were found on) near where the bodies were, at or after the time of the murders - and LE and the OSBI have encouraged that assumption. BUT that may not be entirely true. It may be that the POI was seen before the shootings on a cross-road to County Line Road AND on County Line Road "near" where the girls were shot. So it is possible that the POI was seen before the shots were heard on another road, then was seen minutes before the shots were heard (at the time the girls were seen walking home) and then after the shots were heard near (or at) the location where the girls were found. If he did not kill the girls, there is no doubt he would have seen who DID kill them. Witnesses put him in the vicinity before and after the shots were fired and since then no-one has seen him.

This lends credence to an early theory that IF the POI was the shooter, he was watching the girls (and/or the Placker House) from somewhere else before he drove up or walked up and shot them. And THAT scenario means that the murders were planned at least several minutes before they happened - what we don't know is if the POI was after the girls specifically or was looking to shoot anyone from the Placker house, or was just looking for someone random to kill?

Creech IS NOT a suspect and has been cleared, Patterson remains on the list of possibles and has not been 100% cleared yet - evidently he does live alone and has no alibi for the time of the murders. He has been questioned, taken a poly and they have his DNA to match to any they MIGHT recover from the scene or the girls bodies. Patterson could have walked to the scene, shot the girls and walked back home thru the woods - nobody would have seen him (except maybe the POI?)

The girls were not sexually assaulted and there were no signs of physical abuse or sexual abuse reported by the ME. The parents of both girls (GPa and GMa in Taylor's case) have been questioned several times and are not suspects. The questioning of the families is ongoing but it is to gather information that might lead to potential suspects.

The POI remains the only person seen in the area that was not known to anyone and who was acting in a suspicious manner.

And that's what I have from my Contact for everyone this evening.
Again,nothing official, just info from a local person who wants the human garbage who did this removed from the streets for good.

My Opinion

I am quoting my own post here (#40 on this thread) and highlighting the infor about WHERE the POI was seen by witnesses. At least one and maybe two witnesses report that the POI was on the road North of Bad Creek, NOT on County Line Rd (the road the girls were killed on). Mr Chancey lives down there.

My Opinion

[LifeSaver]

Jerry Pattersons wife was Pamela. He befriended her in the mental instituion where he was sent for evaluation. She, herself suffered from mental illness, and while hospitalized they fell in love and married. From that union came two daughters, I should remember their names, but unfortunately I don't. Patterson, was not married to Claudia.

[Morag]

Jerry Pattersons wife was Pamela. He befriended her in the mental instituion where he was sent for evaluation. She, herself suffered from mental illness, and while hospitalized they fell in love and married. From that union came two daughters, I should remember their names, but unfortunately I don't. Patterson, was not married to Claudia.

Thank you, LifeSaver. Just a random coincidence...and another sad little story about a dysfunctional family.

[FlowerChild]

Jerry Pattersons wife was Pamela. He befriended her in the mental instituion where he was sent for evaluation. She, herself suffered from mental illness, and while hospitalized they fell in love and married. From that union came two daughters, I should remember their names, but unfortunately I don't. Patterson, was not married to Claudia.
Thanks LifeSaver! I didn't have the wife's name. The woman who took out the (now permanent) Restraining Order in 1996 was Carolyn L Bowman. Assume she was either a GF or a wife??

My Opinion

[LifeSaver]

Lord forgive me for pointing fingers, God knows I shouldn't judge. but I have leaned towards Patterson since day one. He was the first and only monster "in that area", that popped in my mind.

[FlowerChild]

Lord forgive me for pointing fingers, God knows I shouldn't judge. but I have leaned towards Patterson since day one. He was the first and only monster "in that area", that popped in my mind.
According to my research (I did an aerial map overlay) he lives about a half mile from the murder scene (his driveway is about 1/4 mile South of the Placker home) and since his house is so far West of County Line RD (about 1/4 mile) he would have had almost a straight walk to the Crime Scene - going at an angle and behind the Placker's House. He could have come out of the woods - shot the girls and walked back home without ANYBODY seeing him from the road.

Maybe the girls made a lot of noise or were playing or doing stuff on the back side of the Placker Property and they made him upset? Didn't Taylor have a horse? Was the horse kept back in the back of the Placker property adjacent to the Patterson property? That would have put Taylor back near his house frequently - maybe daily. Maybe he is paranoid and he thought Taylor or the Plackers were spying on him? Maybe he didn't like the horse or their dog(s) or something? Who knows what rolls around in the mind of a crazy man? Depends a lot on how delusional he is or if he is on his meds.

My Opinion

[fran]

FlowerChild

:clap::clap::clap:

What a wealth of information.

You've spent so much time on this, thank you.

You are a top notch Websleuther!

fran

[winteryns]

FlowerChild, if anyone ever kills me, you are personally invited to snoop around and find the killer. I admire your tenacity.

Susan

Same here! Dig all ya want.:clap:

[LifeSaver]

Yes, FlowerChild absolutely deserves the rank of "Top Notch Websleuther' on this particular case!! Some might consider it a bit long "I didn't", but it was a pleasure to read her words.

[Albert18]

The DNA in this case puzzles me.

If you have two people gunned down and they weren't moved after they were shot, why would there be any important DNA?

These are the options I can think of:

* This was an attempted abduction and the girls were handled before they were shot? Something happened before the shooting that provided the DNA on the girls.

* The attack consisted of more than just shooting them. Not sexual but some other kind of physical attack we haven't been told about.

* The DNA came from the shell casings or something else at the crime scene, not the girls.

* The DNA angle is just a hope and a prayer. Maybe somebody will think they really have something and panic.

[evelyn24]

Thank you FC, and I don't mind the long posts at all, because they are filled with information.

[CMorrison64]

In Session trials, the board was hacked.

Ahhh was wondering what happened to it, thanks.

[FlowerChild]

Thanks Guys :blowkiss:

Guess it's the 1st case where I am familiar with the area, and the lifestyle - since most of my life was spent in OK (or nearby). Since I have family all over Oklahoma, this time I can actually find contacts and DO something. Plus it's personal to me. These are Oklahoma Girls! I am an Oklahoma Girl! Girls Taylor and Skyla's age in Oklahoma should be famous for Barrel Racing, not for being gunned down within sight of home. My family was in OK BEFORE the Land Run, I was a state Senate Page, my roots in the Oklahoma soil run deep and wide. I want people to know the BEST of Oklahoma, not just the bad things like the Bombing and the tornados and senseless murders of children. Its a beautiful place and I am proud to be an "Okie" - and will be really proud when Okies hunt the killer(s) of these sweet angels to ground.

My Aunt survived the OKC Bombing - I had family who survived in the path of the monster OKC tornado (the infamous F5). I remember the Girl Scout Murders and am connected to them in a serendipitous way. I have family living in places very much like Weleetka ...and this just shouldn't happen - I want to know who and WHY! Most of all I want the rest of the killer(s) lives to be spent on some very special Oklahoma Soil - the soil under DEATH ROW IN McAlester!

My Opinion

[Claycat]

Albert18, I've thought it was a possibility that the perp grabbed them by the hair, pulled their heads up, and shot them in the head. Maybe they had DNA on their hair? I don't know. That's just one possibility.

[CMorrison64]

Flower Child, your post had me riveted to my seat .... I'm in awe of what you've uncovered.

[LifeSaver]

WOW...where did you find that monkey? I would love to have him

[Albert18]

If you want this case solved FlowerChild, I think you are going to have to light some fires.

I have now upped this case to four odds.

1. Odd murders.
2. Odd investigation.
3. Odd families.
4. Odd locals.

I live a long ways from Weleetka so I realize it is difficult to get an accurate picture of what is going on, especially since Weleetka doesn't have any local media, but my impression is that the local reaction is what I would expect if the girls had been killed in an automobile accident. When somebody guns down two of your children on a Sunday afternoon, they are throwing down a gauntlet. Why do I see moping, but no fight. Even Skyla's dad, a lot of moping around but no fight, no defiance. I don't understand that. I really don't understand that.

These people aren't Harvard grads but they should be as tough as nails. Why don't I see any evidence of that?

[hannahsnana]

It appears that the principal of the Graham High School is Mr. Dusty Chancey, unless the site is outdated. I think the girls must still have been in elementary school though? Although by the time I was 13 I was in 9th grade.

http://www.city-data.com/school/graham-hs-ok.html

[DeltaDawn]

Great Sleuthing FlowerChild! And your posts are always very, very informative.

Early on in the investigation there was an 18 year old girl that lived on a farm, and thought she had seen the person of interest around the farm both in the days prior to and after the shooting. Is this by any chance the Chauncey farm where LE was looking for the POI before?

I don't remember if a name was given at that time of who the girl was or the family that lived there.

[oceanblueeyes]

If you want this case solved FlowerChild, I think you are going to have to light some fires.

I have now upped this case to four odds.

1. Odd murders.
2. Odd investigation.
3. Odd families.
4. Odd locals.

I live a long ways from Weleetka so I realize it is difficult to get an accurate picture of what is going on, especially since Weleetka doesn't have any local media, but my impression is that the local reaction is what I would expect if the girls had been killed in an automobile accident. When somebody guns down two of your children on a Sunday afternoon, they are throwing down a gauntlet. Why do I see moping, but no fight. Even Skyla's dad, a lot of moping around but no fight, no defiance. I don't understand that. I really don't understand that.

These people aren't Harvard grads but they should be as tough as nails. Why don't I see any evidence of that?

I am not sure what the families can do Albert in order to solve this case. Maybe it is their laid back style which is found in many rural country areas? Maybe they have faith in the law enforcement agencies that they will solve this crime. Maybe they are given updates that we aren't privy to.....I am sure the families speak often with LE to see what is happening. From each and every article I have read about the area people are very afraid for the safety of their children.

Sheza, another poster here, who is from that area, said that local LE and OSBI are still in the area investigating it 24/7. She said she knows because she sees them.

imo

[Tom'sGirl]

It appears that the principal of the Graham High School is Mr. Dusty Chancey, unless the site is outdated. I think the girls must still have been in elementary school though? Although by the time I was 13 I was in 9th grade.

http://www.city-data.com/school/graham-hs-ok.html
This was posted elsewhere, don't know how accurate the poster is.
http://www.topix.net/forum/city/weleetka-ok/TOJFJV92HAR4RS395/p302#c6566

[SailorMoon]

Good points. I can see being in shock...but I'd also be peeved. I'd be on every media outlet or something ....but then again, easy for me to say...but what would I really do?? You're right though...this is a brutal killing. Why don't we hear any more than what we do about it??

Very eloquently worded post-Albert.

If you want this case solved FlowerChild, I think you are going to have to light some fires.

I have now upped this case to four odds.

1. Odd murders.
2. Odd investigation.
3. Odd families.
4. Odd locals.

I live a long ways from Weleetka so I realize it is difficult to get an accurate picture of what is going on, especially since Weleetka doesn't have any local media, but my impression is that the local reaction is what I would expect if the girls had been killed in an automobile accident. When somebody guns down two of your children on a Sunday afternoon, they are throwing down a gauntlet. Why do I see moping, but no fight. Even Skyla's dad, a lot of moping around but no fight, no defiance. I don't understand that. I really don't understand that.

These people aren't Harvard grads but they should be as tough as nails. Why don't I see any evidence of that?

[hannahsnana]

Tom's Girl, the forum you directed us to speaks about the Chancey son (don't remember the name) being the Superintendent of Schools. The Dusty Chancey I posted the link to is the Principal of Graham High School.
Also, I still wonder what grades the girls were in.

[FlowerChild]

It appears that the principal of the Graham High School is Mr. Dusty Chancey, unless the site is outdated. I think the girls must still have been in elementary school though? Although by the time I was 13 I was in 9th grade.

http://www.city-data.com/school/graham-hs-ok.html




Dusty Chancey
High School Principal and Superintendent
Wanda Mankin
Elementary Principal and Counselor


2007-2008 TEACHERS


Barbara Neal - Pre-K & Kindergarten
Chris Rippy - 1st & 2nd
Debra Fisher - 3rd & 4th
Beverly Mantooth - 5th & 6th
Trina Shackelford - Special Education
Brian Bunyard - 7th-12th Math, 7th-8th Computers, Computers II
Marie Shackelford - H.S. English/Humanities/Creative Writing
Jake Fenley - Boys' & Girls Basketball & Track Coach/Elementary P.E./Oklahoma, Modern, & World History
Debbie Wallace - Computers/Careers/Librarian
Ida Lawson - 7th-12th Science/American History
Wanda Mankin - Yearbook/Newspaper/7th-8th Life Mgmt. & Teenocology
Dusty Chancey - Government/Driver's Ed./7th-8th Social Studies

SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS


President - Rick Pippin
Vice President - Ken Kelsey
Clerk - Sheryl Angel
Member - Charles Taylor
Member - Stanley Page

http://www.graham.k12.ok.us/

[hannahsnana]

Oh, I see, FlowerChild. I guess I didn't go far enough down the page. Thanks.

[Tom'sGirl]

Tom's Girl, the forum you directed us to speaks about the Chancey son (don't remember the name) being the Superintendent of Schools. The Dusty Chancey I posted the link to is the Principal of Graham High School.
Also, I still wonder what grades the girls were in.
The girsl were in the 5th & 6th grades, their Principal was a woman as seen in many photos.

[FlowerChild]

Tom's Girl, the forum you directed us to speaks about the Chancey son (don't remember the name) being the Superintendent of Schools. The Dusty Chancey I posted the link to is the Principal of Graham High School.
Also, I still wonder what grades the girls were in.
Skyla was in the 5th Grade in the 2007-2008 school year
Taylor was in the 6th grade in the 2007-2008 school year
There were 11 kids in their combined 5th and 6th grade class
Taylor was the only girl in 6th grade, but there were 5 girls in the 5th grade - Class was 6 girls, 5 boys.
In the 2008-2009 school year, Taylor and Skyla would NOT have been in the same class anymore.
Taylor had just turned 13 and Skyla 11 - Taylor was a year older than most 6th graders - maybe due to her home schooling.

My Opinion

[hannahsnana]

I also see they doubled up classes with just one teacher in the elementary school. My parochial school did that when I was still in elementary. Therefore, do you think Taylor and Skyla could have been in one classroom together, even though there is a two-year difference in their ages?

[hannahsnana]

Sorry, Tom's Girl. I think we were posting at the same time.

[hannahsnana]

Sorry, Tom's Girl and FlowerChild. I think we were posting at the same time.

[FlowerChild]

I am not sure what the families can do Albert in order to solve this case. Maybe it is their laid back style which is found in many rural country areas? Maybe they have faith in the law enforcement agencies that they will solve this crime. Maybe they are given updates that we aren't privy to.....I am sure the families speak often with LE to see what is happening. From each and every article I have read about the area people are very afraid for the safety of their children.

Sheza, another poster here, who is from that area, said that local LE and OSBI are still in the area investigating it 24/7. She said she knows because she sees them.

imo

My contact says the same thing - helicopters, unmarked cars, uniformed, plainclothes, all over the area. Still questioning/meeting with the families, witnesses - investigating - everything.

I think Skyla's family is overwhelmed and perhaps embarrassed by the attention paid to Rose's mother and stepfather (the Farrows) and all the stuff THEY said and did. We have seen this before, all the stuff people kept private and did not want the world to know comes out into the light and now EVERYONE knows. Her son is going to prison, the family has some black sheep and some secrets that are now very public. And it doesn't help that Jimmy Farrow (Rose's stepdad) said all that lovely stuff about the community being crime ridden and filled with drugs and druggies - he PO'd most of the locals with that interview. And maybe they are scared?

The Plackers have also suffered some embarrassing things being revealed about their family - lots of less than law-abiding folks in that family and close to it, all of whom LE has probaly hauled in and questioned at least once. Both families are not exactly pillars of the community - and that's hard to face after already losing your child.

The Plackers and the Whitakers are NOT well educated and they are obviously struggling with many things - the ongoing investigation, the media, the loss of their kids, financial worries - so much to cope with. None of them feels comfortable in the spotlight and sadly they have not come together and chosen a spokesperson for the families to deal with the media. And we do not know what OSBI has instructed them to do or say. Maybe they would like to speak out and the OSBI say NO? Evidently there is a LOT of info the OSBI does NOT want public at this time.

My Opinion

[kahskye]

Great job, FC, on getting this information.

Thanks for this info!

[Albert18]

...Evidently there is a LOT of info the OSBI does NOT want public at this time...


That was an excellent summation of the family situations.


I try not to get anxious but this case really bothers me. I don't know why but it does. I grew up poor like these girls and I know all too well how the poor can be treated. It is the most striking memory of my childhood.

What seems to bother me the most isn't the crime itself, the families, or the community, it's LE. I don't know why but there is just something that doesn't sit right with me.