Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #2

[christine2448]

Please continue discussions here.
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http://www.stormdancing.net/network/java/chat1.html

put your nick in the top space, then type websleuths in the place for channel.

[panthera]

SS ~ I was just going to reply to your post and got the "thread closed" message! Anyways, that is incredible about the reporter! Now about him being out shopping at 4am ~ I think that kind of speaks for itself that he was probably trying to clean up in a big hurry, but if Nancy was already gone, it also means he left the little children home alone. I've never known of someone having to buy detergent at that hour; laundry can usually wait until later in the morning.

[Just the Fax]

I assume a non-testimonial order, or NTO, that allowed police to take body photographs and collect DNA evidence was done ????

Scratches on his arms was reported on a blog.
He was wearing long sleeves at the PC .
Odd for NC in mid July

[PandaJ]

She looks so happy in all those family pics NG keeps showing.....so horribly sad. :(

[SeriouslySearching]

Here are those posts, Panthera:

Momto3kids said: I have a strong feeling her husband Brad has something to do with this. The police are in possession of a video with Brad early Saturday morning at a local store. He told the police he went to get milk and bread at 6am. The video has Brad buying detergent with detergent (corrected by M later) and/or bleach actually purchased at 4am. My child works at this store and management did not state to not speak about it. I feel this is a crucial piece of evidence indicating something had occured. As I searched with my children yesterday in the construction areas along Kildaire Farm Rd and in the Bluffs Nature park in the pouring rain, I kept hope to hear her yell out for help that the rain would stimulate her.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2382542&postcount=261

Topsail said: Brad Cooper appeared at a press conference today thanking those who were searching for his missing wife. Nancy Cooper had told friends she wanted a divorce. She wanted Brad Cooper to leave the house but he refused. At today's press conference Brad wore a long sleeve shirt. Later today scratches were noticed on his arms.
Nancy Cooper, 34 was discovered around 7:30 tonight by a citizen walking his dog around Woody's Lake, a small lake, more like a pond off of Holly Springs Road down near the end of Felding Road in Cary. An autopsy will confirm the identity and make a determination as to the cause of death. Hopefully an arrest will be made before the six o'clock news.

http://www.bluelineradio.com/news714.html

[Pepper]

Could it be possible that this man is even dumber than Scott Peterson and Mark Hacking?

There is no innocent explanation for leaving two young children alone and going to the store to buy soap and bleach at 4 am. He also had to leave the kids alone when he dumped the body.

[Just the Fax]

SS ~ I was just going to reply to your post and got the "thread closed" message! Anyways, that is incredible about the reporter! Now about him being out shopping at 4am ~ I think that kind of speaks for itself that he was probably trying to clean up in a big hurry, but if Nancy was already gone, it also means he left the little children home alone. I've never known of someone having to buy detergent at that hour; laundry can usually wait until later in the morning.


The cops are building their case.
They are tailing his every move.
No need to rush and risk letting him walk on a technicality.
Heck, wife/baby killer Jason Young has been free 21 months
while the cops gather the evidence they need to hang him.

[Patience]

R.I.P. Nancy cooper. I feel so bad for her beautiful little girls. Here is a slideshow/

http://www.wral.com/news/local/image_gallery/3208444/

[Just the Fax]

Could it be possible that this man is even dumber than Scott Peterson and Mark Hacking?

There is no innocent explanation for leaving two young children alone and going to the store to buy soap and bleach at 4 am. He also had to leave the kids alone when he dumped the body.

Child neglect is the very least of this losers worries.

[SeriouslySearching]

Could it be possible that this man is even dumber than Scott Peterson and Mark Hacking?

There is no innocent explanation for leaving two young children alone and going to the store to buy soap and bleach at 4 am. He also had to leave the kids alone when he dumped the body.We don't know where the children were at that time. They could have been spending the night with someone or with a sitter. No confirmation of where they were yet.

The answer to the first question is: Yes, he could be. Fortunately for LE, men who do this kind of thing don't think. No matter how intelligent they are, they never seem to be able to fool everyone in a murder investigation.

[panthera]

Here are those posts, Panthera:
Thanks again so much! So he apparently tells LE he went out at 6am (bread/milk) but store video shows him at 4am buying detergent? :eek: I still can't see the "need" for that at 4am ~ unless you have to do some major cleanup.

[JDB]

All it is normal to surround the house with crime scene tape. Last place she was maybe before she was murdered

[Just the Fax]

The cops must get a judge to sign off a search warrant for 'probable cause'.

To allow a search of the home, the judge agreed "a reasonable belief that Brad Cooper has committed a crime."

[panthera]

The cops are building their case.
They are tailing his every move.
No need to rush and risk letting him walk on a technicality.
Heck, wife/baby killer Jason Young has been free 21 months
while the cops gather the evidence they need to hang him.
Oh I know and I don't want them to rush and not have enough to get him convicted, if you know what I mean! They have to be able to prove he did it with evidence not just his somewhat suspicious activity. Was there anything said about how she died?

[fran]

Could it be possible that this man is even dumber than Scott Peterson and Mark Hacking?

There is no innocent explanation for leaving two young children alone and going to the store to buy soap and bleach at 4 am. He also had to leave the kids alone when he dumped the body.

Well, he wants everyone to believe that Nancy was at home at that time. She allegedly didn't leave until 6:30 or 7:00 a.m.

the problem is, he told LE he went to buy milk, yet he's filmed in the store buying detergent.

JMHO
fran

[KaylynnCouture]

My thoughts and prayers go out to Nancys family and friends during this time. :rose:

[SeriouslySearching]

The cops are building their case.
They are tailing his every move.
No need to rush and risk letting him walk on a technicality.
Heck, wife/baby killer Jason Young has been free 21 months
while the cops gather the evidence they need to hang him.For people unfamiliar with who Jason Young is:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/

http://missingexploited.com/2006/11/10/jason-young-ordered-to-give-evidence-in-the-murder-of-michelle-young-jason-young-named-suspect/

I have not heard about this case until now. We don't have a thread for her on the site either. Would you like to start one, Fax?

[panthera]

We don't know where the children were at that time. They could have been spending the night with someone or with a sitter. No confirmation of where they were yet.

The answer to the first question is: Yes, he could be. Fortunately for LE, men who do this kind of thing don't think. No matter how intelligent they are, they never seem to be able to fool everyone in a murder investigation.
Wouldn't it be even more stupid to have someone else babysitting the children while his wife is supposed to still be alive and at home? That person could come forward to LE and tell them they were babysitting. What would be his explanation? What gets me, is it wouldn't have been too odd to have to run to the store to get something for the kids' breakfast & pick up the soap while he was there, but to run out just for detergent at that time of morning does look suspicious.

[Taximom]

Michelle Young is why I have the ticker in my siggy, SS. We have a huge forum for her case. :(

[Just the Fax]

For people unfamiliar with who Jason Young is:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/

http://missingexploited.com/2006/11/10/jason-young-ordered-to-give-evidence-in-the-murder-of-michelle-young-jason-young-named-suspect/

I have not heard about this case until now. We don't have a thread for her on the site either. Would you like to start one, Fax?


This is very active

http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=119

[christine2448]

Someone just popped in chat...gave me this URL.....:confused:

http://www.adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/

[Blink34]

I assume a non-testimonial order, or NTO, that allowed police to take body photographs and collect DNA evidence was done ????

Scratches on his arms was reported on a blog.
He was wearing long sleeves at the PC .
Odd for NC in mid July
What did I miss- why would you assume that?

[Blink34]

Someone just popped in chat...gave me this URL.....:confused:

http://www.adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/

Could he be more pompous? If you can believe it I have a friend that works for Cisco, she has met him at a Client. Nothing unusual to report.

[panthera]

Someone just popped in chat...gave me this URL.....:confused:

http://www.adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/
Is that supposed to be Nancy's husband?

[christine2448]

Could he be more pompous? If you can believe it I have a friend that works for Cisco, she has met him at a Client. Nothing unusual to report.


Blink, help a tired girl out...huh? :confused:

[Taximom]

Someone just popped in chat...gave me this URL.....:confused:

http://www.adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/

That looks like a training blog someone named "Brad" kept.

[christine2448]

Is that supposed to be Nancy's husband?

Not sure, like I said, in chat, someone came in as guest, posted it.....it was running or something, but I am so tired I can't think, so I am asking you all. :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I find this tid bit to be interesting. He just finished his MBA:

MBA Completed!!!!
Written by Brad
Wednesday, 19 December 2007
After 2 1/2 years without a semester break I finally completed my MBA from NCSU. On Dec 19 I crossed the podium and accepted my MBA in Innovation Managment. Some classes took as little as 5 hours a week addtional time outside the classroom - others took as much as 15-20 additional hours. Now that the holidays are over I am finally able to spend some more time with the family and tackle some of the projects that were sidelined due to lack of time.

I kicked around the idea of a doctorate but quickly came ot my senses and figured I needed some downtime before even considering a significant undertaking.

Also: Finally Back Training Again......
Written by Brad
Thursday, 10 January 2008
After almost 5 months of not training... I'm Back!!! Between work, MBA and holidays my training was put on hold until now. Now that my MBA is complete and the holidays are over, its definitely time to start training for Ironman Lake Placid in July 2008.

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=0

The Ironman in Lake Placid is 7-22-08.

[panthera]

Not sure, like I said, in chat, someone came in as guest, posted it.....it was running or something, but I am so tired I can't think, so I am asking you all. :blowkiss:
I don't see anything on it to make me think it's him. It looks like someone training for Ironman & just got their MBA, which doesn't seem to fit with Nancy's husband since he's already been working with Cisco. :)

[Taximom]

Is that really his site though? I'm not convinced right now.

[EnvoyDriver61]

I wonder what Cisco's 401K plan was like. I bet he had a good deal in there and didn't want to think of losing it in a divorce.

[Busylady]

The photo section appears to have pictures of Nancy?

I don't see anything on it to make me think it's him. It looks like someone training for Ironman & just got their MBA, which doesn't seem to fit with Nancy's husband since he's already been working with Cisco. :)

[wufdude]

I'm pretty sure that it is his website. An NC State message board I frequent had some posts from someone indicating that he was in some of their MBA classes. Either it's him or a striking coincidence.

[panthera]

The photo section appears to have pictures of Nancy?
I'll look more closely. :) Just from what we've heard about him in the news, nothing was mentioned about him being in marathons or competition ~ just Nancy.

[Just the Fax]

I'm pretty sure that it is his website. An NC State message board I frequent had some posts from someone indicating that he was in some of their MBA classes. Either it's him or a striking coincidence.


100% sure that is Brad Cooper

[SeriouslySearching]

He went to France in March of last year and doesn't mention her going with him:

MBA: BUS 590 Trip to France
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
I had a chance to attend a study abroad class in France over spring break. I had no idea how much I was going to enjoy France. I have been over much of Europe in the past but I completely loved the French culture, food and architecture.

March 1 - 4: Paris, France A few students arrived early and spent a weekend in Paris. We hit the typical tourist sites:

Eiffel Tower
I climbed the tower during the day to the 2nd level which took about 13 minutes. However it was definately a better site to see the tower in the evening lite up. A few us enjoyed the last night in Paris eating crepes and enjoying the view.
Notre Dame
Panthéon
Arc de Triomphe
Musée du Louvre (Louvre Museum)
Musée d'Orsay

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=12

[PandaJ]

100% sure that is Brad Cooper

I am too. Look at the photos....it's him

jmo

[Taximom]

When were her children born? He seems to take no interest in his family on that site! Could he be your typical sociopath?

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, it is him alright:

CCIE Voice Update - August 2, 2005
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
On August 2, 2004 I completed my Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE) Voice certification becoming the 65th person globally to obtain this level of expertise. CCIE #13747.

As of March 2007, almost 3 years later the number of Voice CCIEs globally was still only 411.

World Wide CCIE Stats:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=12

[PandaJ]

He went to France in March of last year and doesn't mention her going with him:

MBA: BUS 590 Trip to France
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
I had a chance to attend a study abroad class in France over spring break. I had no idea how much I was going to enjoy France. I have been over much of Europe in the past but I completely loved the French culture, food and architecture.

March 1 - 4: Paris, France A few students arrived early and spent a weekend in Paris. We hit the typical tourist sites:

Eiffel Tower
I climbed the tower during the day to the 2nd level which took about 13 minutes. However it was definately a better site to see the tower in the evening lite up. A few us enjoyed the last night in Paris eating crepes and enjoying the view.
Notre Dame
Panthéon
Arc de Triomphe
Musée du Louvre (Louvre Museum)
Musée d'Orsay

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=12

I think it's pretty strange that he doesn't mention his wife...ever.

[Taximom]

I can't help but wonder if he enjoyed the crepes with someone other than his wife.

[Carrington]

It's definitely him. Check his personal profile.

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=0

[JDB]

Oh, it is him alright:

CCIE Voice Update - August 2, 2005
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
On August 2, 2004 I completed my Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE) Voice certification becoming the 65th person globally to obtain this level of expertise. CCIE #13747.

As of March 2007, almost 3 years later the number of Voice CCIEs globally was still only 411.

World Wide CCIE Stats:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/certified_ccies/worldwide.html


http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=12

Which means making Money!! Will lay odds her Life ins is High

[PandaJ]

I keep reading his blogs on there and it just doesn't sound like a married man with two kids....he sounds like he's a young single guy.....very strange.

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks again so much! So he apparently tells LE he went out at 6am (bread/milk) but store video shows him at 4am buying detergent? :eek: I still can't see the "need" for that at 4am ~ unless you have to do some major cleanup.

I don't think we have an official link stating that he told LE he went out at 6 am.
I know Momto3kids posted about him stating that.

[January.]

Isn't that Nancy in the purple striped shirt in the 3rd picture in the MBA>France Photo Album?

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=36

[panthera]

When were her children born? He seems to take no interest in his family on that site! Could he be your typical sociopath?
Cooper is survived by her husband, Brad Cooper; daughters, Bella, 4, and Katie, 2; parents Garry and Donna Rentz, of Edmonton, Alberta; a brother, Jeff Rentz, and two sisters, Khrista Lister, her identical twin, of Toronto, and Jill Dean, of Edmonton.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3207944/

[panthera]

I don't think we have an official link stating that he told LE he went out at 6 am.
I know Momto3kids posted about him stating that.
ok, I'll leave that one alone for now! :) But I still find it odd he went out for the detergent at such an early hour ~ assuming, of course, he did.

[SeriouslySearching]

Isn't that Nancy in the purple striped shirt in the 3rd picture in the MBA>France Photo Album?

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_expose&Itemid=36Now that you mention it...it does look like Nancy. Thanks for pointing it out. :)

[Taximom]

This is Brad Cooper's training plan info from a link on his joomla site:
http://www.trainingpeaks.com/publicview.asp?startweek=7/14/2008&p=adventuresofbrad

[SeriouslySearching]

ok, I'll leave that one alone for now! :) But I still find it odd he went out for the detergent at such an early hour ~ assuming, of course, he did.I don't think we have to discount this report AT ALL! Just because we don't have a link other than the quote here...doesn't mean it isn't true when the Chief would not deny it! If it was completely false...I think she would have said so at the presser. I believe it did happen just the way Mom said it did.

It is d@mning evidence in this case against Brad Cooper!

[Taximom]

Meetup group:
http://www.meetup.com/members/2536417/

Athlink profile:
http://www.athlinks.com/racer/18014460/Brad-Cooper.aspx

[Taximom]

Pic from Athlink site:
http://www.athlinks.com/photo/6471/112191/Ironman-Arizona-2007.aspx

[panthera]

I don't think we have to discount this report AT ALL! Just because we don't have a link other than the quote here...doesn't mean it isn't true when the Chief would not deny it! If it was completely false...I think she would have said so at the presser. I believe it did happen just the way Mom said it did.

It is d@mning evidence in this case against Brad Cooper!
I believe it to be true too ~ I just meant I won't post it as a fact since LE hasn't really confirmed it. :) I agree, it is very suspicious!

[MoonFlwr]

I don't think we have to discount this report AT ALL! Just because we don't have a link other than the quote here...doesn't mean it isn't true when the Chief would not deny it! If it was completely false...I think she would have said so at the presser. I believe it did happen just the way Mom said it did.

It is d@mning evidence in this case against Brad Cooper!

Yeah, I understood the fact that he was videotaped in the store at 4 am to be factual, as Momto3kids said her child works in that store.

After she posted that info and the info saying that Brad had told LE he left the house at 6am to buy bread/milk, another poster asked how mom knew that. I was also curious, that's all.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Taximom! It is so interesting that everywhere he posts there really is no mention of Nancy as someone remarked earlier.

They are both very physically fit people. If he did attack her without much surprise...I would imagine she could have really given him a fight. If the scratches are from her...it would also mean she has his DNA under her fingernails and gives them another solid piece of evidence.

[panthera]

They are both very physically fit people. If he did attack her without much surprise...I would imagine she could have really given him a fight. If the scratches are from her...it would also mean she has his DNA under her fingernails and gives them another solid piece of evidence.
I was thinking the exact same thing ~ if he has scratches, they're from her defending herself. I suppose he could probably claim they were from playing with the kids though. :rolleyes: (Unless of course, his DNA is under her nails!!)

[Taximom]

All that triathalon training, and the MBA...and work. How did he do it all? (Time-wise and financially.) I'm worn out just reading about it.

[Blink34]

Blink, help a tired girl out...huh? :confused:

LOL, I grilled her, she said he has something to do with the IT sector, it is a Client that has an office in NC and something about they were routing them for real time, blah blah. She said he was quiet and un-memorable, but in fairness he was only supposed to be there if there were IT questions on the Client side. She is FA-LOORED.

And she said she can't believe I havent called her in 2 months:waitasec:

[PandaJ]

All that triathalon training, and the MBA...and work. How did he do it all? (Time-wise and financially.) I'm worn out just reading about it.

I know! And those journal entries are fairly frequent...he didn't miss a competition!

[PandaJ]

I wonder if he's still planning on running that race on the 22nd....:rolleyes:

[EnvoyDriver61]

I wonder if he was going to school as a fellow of his company and didn't have to put in that many hours while in school, but he still got paid.

[Topsail Girl]

Hello All. Quick question....have we been told for sure through any source whether or not she was ever in that small pond? Thinking of DNA under her nails - if she was in the water would the DNA be washed away?? As would possibly be any sign of sexual assault. I do believe hubby did this but I'm still trying to hold out some hope........

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, I think his status of "quiet and unmemorable" just changed. Thanks for the info, Blink! (Yes..keep in touch with friends!)

[Taximom]

LOL, I grilled her, she said he has something to do with the IT sector, it is a Client that has an office in NC and something about they were routing them for real time, blah blah. She said he was quiet and un-memorable, but in fairness he was only supposed to be there if there were IT questions on the Client side. She is FA-LOORED.

And she said she can't believe I havent called her in 2 months:waitasec:

LOL Don't you hate that when that happens. LOL

[Taximom]

There's a few private myspace accounts, one of which has the statement "Tour de France rocks".... the pic is too small to tell if it's his or not.

[pjop]

All that triathalon training, and the MBA...and work. How did he do it all? (Time-wise and financially.) I'm worn out just reading about it.

I would think by NOT having much to do with his family is how he was able to "do it all." And I bet he resented the hell out of how they all got in the way of all of his "activities."
IMO.

[wufdude]

I'm thinking he could have likely suffocated her that night after she went to sleep which could have been made easier if she had a few drinks. Seems like the cleanest way to kill her, if he did so, without leaving any unusual traces that could be found by LE.

Also, I don't think that's Nancy in that pic. That girl looks way too young.

[Fairy1]

Thanks, Taximom! It is so interesting that everywhere he posts there really is no mention of Nancy as someone remarked earlier.

They are both very physically fit people. If he did attack her without much surprise...I would imagine she could have really given him a fight. If the scratches are from her...it would also mean she has his DNA under her fingernails and gives them another solid piece of evidence.

Great point, SS! From your fingers to God's ears!

[panthera]

I'm thinking he could have likely suffocated her that night after she went to sleep which could have been made easier if she had a few drinks. Seems like the cleanest way to kill her, if he did so, without leaving any unusual traces that could be found by LE.

Also, I don't think that's Nancy in that pic. That girl looks way too young.
That would be the easiest way, but what would need to be cleaned up with bleach/detergent in the early morning? And if he has scratches, what caused them? I'm thinking it's possible with your scenario that Nancy woke up and tried to get him to stop, scratching his arms, which bled and got on the bedding, which he'd need to wash out.

[Taximom]

I would think by NOT having much to do with his family is how he was able to "do it all." And I bet he resented the hell out of how they all got in the way of all of his "activities."
IMO.

Yeah, I'm with you, pjop. The demands of a family with two young children usually mean you need to give up part of your life for a while.

Soooo, what's the motive? Why the marital strife? Another woman? He's gay? Financial issues? Was one spending more money than they could afford? He's just too dang busy training for triathalons?

[Taximom]

I hope she wasn't pregnant.

[Fairy1]

I'm thinking he could have likely suffocated her that night after she went to sleep which could have been made easier if she had a few drinks. Seems like the cleanest way to kill her, if he did so, without leaving any unusual traces that could be found by LE.

Also, I don't think that's Nancy in that pic. That girl looks way too young.

One thing that's been nagging at me.....seems odd that someone training for a marathon would be drinking alcohol at all. Maybe he did, but don't you find it strange that she would????

[panthera]

I hope she wasn't pregnant.
I hadn't even thought of that! :eek:

[Topsail Girl]

I'm thinking he could have likely suffocated her that night after she went to sleep which could have been made easier if she had a few drinks. Seems like the cleanest way to kill her, if he did so, without leaving any unusual traces that could be found by LE.

Also, I don't think that's Nancy in that pic. That girl looks way too young.

Hey Wufdude - Suffocation is a very good thought. A few drinks make me wonder if she drove or walked or ran. I can't see a mom of two that young taking a chance of driving. That doesn't explain the purse in the car. Walking could/would have resulted in more drinking possibly than if she had to drive. I can't imagine her falling asleep and him suffocating Nancy with minimal alcohol in her system. She had to be strong or somewhat strong to be running/training for marathons which to me would take out the "Clean" factor. If she walked she could have been drunk I suppose. If she were planning to help a friend with chores the next day I can't imagine that either.... I don't think I can wrap my head around all that has happened.

ETA - If it is true that she asked for a divorce she would not want to be out drinking and risk losing her kids which is why I think she would not be drinking heavily in any situation.

[apexmama]

I'm thinking he could have likely suffocated her that night after she went to sleep which could have been made easier if she had a few drinks. Seems like the cleanest way to kill her, if he did so, without leaving any unusual traces that could be found by LE.



If it was that clean, then why would he need the bleach? And scratches on the arms......?? Unfortunately, it sounds to me like she probably didn't go that peacefully.

[pjop]

Yeah, I'm with you, pjop. The demands of a family with two young children usually mean you need to give up part of your life for a while.

Soooo, what's the motive? Why the marital strife? Another woman? He's gay? Financial issues? Was one spending more money than they could afford? He's just too dang busy training for triathalons?

Exactly.....life isn't exactly the same after kids. Some people just are not ready for that or equipped to deal with it. I hope she wasn't pregnant, either...maybe she was and that was what put him over the edge.

[close_enough]

This is very active

http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=119

Michelle Young, may she RIP...(although i don't think she is, or will, until Jason is behind bars).....i have to be reminded that LE is covering all bases, on this one...it's been so long now:(

[Taximom]

You know, in Michelle Young's case there is reason to believe her little girl heard and possibly witnessed the murder by her father. IMO anyway. I wonder if the 4 yr old heard anything that night. **raising eyebrows**

[pjop]

I wonder if he's still planning on running that race on the 22nd....:rolleyes:

Ha! I thought that, too. I guess this puts a kink in his plans, huh? :bang:

[Topsail Girl]

You know, in Michelle Young's case there is reason to believe her little girl heard and possibly witnessed the murder by her father. IMO anyway. I wonder if the 4 yr old heard anything that night. **raising eyebrows**

God help us all I hope not......

[close_enough]

Which means making Money!! Will lay odds her Life ins is High

yup!..

[PandaJ]

I found this....

http://www.wowspeak.com/dothetri.html

[close_enough]

Hey Wufdude - Suffocation is a very good thought. A few drinks make me wonder if she drove or walked or ran. I can't see a mom of two that young taking a chance of driving. That doesn't explain the purse in the car. Walking could/would have resulted in more drinking possibly than if she had to drive. I can't imagine her falling asleep and him suffocating Nancy with minimal alcohol in her system. She had to be strong or somewhat strong to be running/training for marathons which to me would take out the "Clean" factor. If she walked she could have been drunk I suppose. If she were planning to help a friend with chores the next day I can't imagine that either.... I don't think I can wrap my head around all that has happened.

ETA - If it is true that she asked for a divorce she would not want to be out drinking and risk losing her kids which is why I think she would not be drinking heavily in any situation.

good points....do we know for certain that she had a few drinks?....

& what do you folks think about her purse being in the car?...why would she leave it there?...why would he PUT it there?

[PandaJ]

I found this....

http://www.wowspeak.com/dothetri.html

Quoting myself here cause I don't know how to edit posts yet, but the pic looks like him, but it's apparently not him..

[close_enough]

If it was that clean, then why would he need the bleach? And scratches on the arms......?? Unfortunately, it sounds to me like she probably didn't go that peacefully.

good point....it may have started out as a suffocation/strangling, but ended up like blunt force trauma....if he's got scratches on his arms, i'd say he probably was trying to strangle her, & couldn't, with her fighting back, scratching him, kicking, etc......

[Topsail Girl]

The purse being in the car has mixed reviews. many women say never would they leave their purse and some say otherwise. I can't imagine he put it in the car and for what reason would he if he planned to report her with no keys, cell, etc. Apparently right after the pressie they surrounded the house with crime scene tape and he's is long gone.....checking the news sites now to confirm.....

[panthera]

good points....do we know for certain that she had a few drinks?....

& what do you folks think about her purse being in the car?...why would she leave it there?...why would he PUT it there?
If the people she was with that night told LE she had been drinking, I'd think it's true, but not necessarily if he was the one who told them. I could see her leaving her purse in the car from the night before ~ IF the car was parked inside the garage.

[close_enough]

You know, in Michelle Young's case there is reason to believe her little girl heard and possibly witnessed the murder by her father. IMO anyway. I wonder if the 4 yr old heard anything that night. **raising eyebrows**

oh yes, TM....my opinion also!

if there was a loud enough struggle/argument, who knows?...it's definately possible....

[Taximom]

The wowspeak site lists this as his address, so I'm thinking this doesn't belong to him:
Brad Cooper
MBA, MSPT, MTC, ATC
18 Willowleaf, Suite A | Littleton, CO 80127
(303) 521-1570 (Colorado)

(but who knows?!)

[Blink34]

I find this tid bit to be interesting. He just finished his MBA:

MBA Completed!!!!
Written by Brad
Wednesday, 19 December 2007
After 2 1/2 years without a semester break I finally completed my MBA from NCSU. On Dec 19 I crossed the podium and accepted my MBA in Innovation Managment. Some classes took as little as 5 hours a week addtional time outside the classroom - others took as much as 15-20 additional hours. Now that the holidays are over I am finally able to spend some more time with the family and tackle some of the projects that were sidelined due to lack of time.

I kicked around the idea of a doctorate but quickly came ot my senses and figured I needed some downtime before even considering a significant undertaking.

Also: Finally Back Training Again......
Written by Brad
Thursday, 10 January 2008
After almost 5 months of not training... I'm Back!!! Between work, MBA and holidays my training was put on hold until now. Now that my MBA is complete and the holidays are over, its definitely time to start training for Ironman Lake Placid in July 2008.

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&limit=4&limitstart=0

The Ironman in Lake Placid is 7-22-08.

Looks like old Brad is going to miss the Lake Placid IronMan and will have to settle for LegIrons instead.

[pamlet]

I had tried to reply ... please ignore this post... laugh...

[Taximom]

Anyone think he had time for dating? I'm too burnt out looking on singles sites for these kinds of guys. (Wait, that sounds wrong! I mean for cases like this!)

Do you take steroids when you are training/running triathalons? Could it have been a roid rage moment?

[Taximom]

Looks like old Brad is going to miss the Lake Placid IronMan and will have to settle for LegIrons instead.

OK, now, that's funny. Thanks for lightening my mood.

[pamlet]

The Wowspeak site also talks of wife of 15 years and 4 kids...

[close_enough]

Greta is discussing the case on Fox

[Taximom]

Oh, let's see if Greta brings up the 4 a.m. bleach trip.

[Taximom]

Quoting myself here cause I don't know how to edit posts yet, but the pic looks like him, but it's apparently not him..

Keep looking though!!

[kellis06]

Just curious: I didn't even know he was an avid runner until I started reading these posts, but we were told from the beginning about Nancy's interest in competing in marathons. So my question is, where are all the webites and training schedules for Nancy? There has to be something out there that has here training schedules and such.

[Blink34]

I can't help but wonder if he enjoyed the crepes with someone other than his wife.

LOL- I was just in France last month and your post just took me back there, sorry, OT, but need the chuckle right about now.

[Busylady]

Wonder if it is the same Brad Cooper shows a Colorado address?

I found this....

http://www.wowspeak.com/dothetri.html

[close_enough]

thanks TopSail & Panthera:)

the only thing i actually heard about the party, was that she left a little after midnight....(friday night/Sat morning)

i still don't understand why she would leave her purse in the car, unless an argument started when she drove up the drive at home, late.....hmmm

[fran]

FWIW, per NG tonite, she said that Nancy's normal MO for a jog, was to drive to Jamba Java (or something like that), meet up with a running partner and take off from there. This doesn't appear to be what she did on Saturday. Per her husband, she left jogging from home.

hhmmmmmm.......

Also, it was repeated on NG's show, about the couple separating, and Brad refused to leave.

That rumor may have legs, imo.

This case is getting more by the book by the hour.

:(
JMHO
fran


:rolleyes:PS...Have we heard from the other woman yet?:slap:

[Blink34]

Oh, let's see if Greta brings up the 4 a.m. bleach trip.


That would be a NO!! A real scoop again, great job Mom and WS'rs!!!

[Sandybeaches]

Greta just said that crime scene tape has been put up around the Cooper home. She said it was just breaking from WRAL.

Anyone else hear this?

[Taximom]

Just curious: I didn't even know he was an avid runner until I started reading these posts, but we were told from the beginning about Nancy's interest in competing in marathons. So my question is, where are all the webites and training schedules for Nancy? There has to be something out there that has here training schedules and such.

I've been wondering that too, kellis06. He seems to be the techy guy though. Maybe she wasn't into blogs etc?

[kellis06]

Does anyone have the link to the last Press Conference that was held? The one where the reporter asked about the 4 am trip to the store.

[MoonFlwr]

Oh, let's see if Greta brings up the 4 a.m. bleach trip.

Please keep us posted! :)

I can't watch the show!

[PandaJ]

Wonder if it is the same Brad Cooper shows a Colorado address?

I don't think any of these racing sites are his anymore.....it looks like him in the pics but that wowspeak one has a wife and kids that definitely aren't the Brad Cooper's that we're talking about. :confused:

jmo

[Sandybeaches]

Does anyone have the link to the last Press Conference that was held? The one where the reporter asked about the 4 am trip to the store.


http://www.wral.com/news/video/3211708/

[Blink34]

Wonder if it is the same Brad Cooper shows a Colorado address?

Um. weird- this is not Brad Cooper, NC of Cisco. Now I wonder if the other triathlon sites are actually Brad, one of these is off.

[Taximom]

FWIW, per NG tonite, she said that Nancy's normal MO for a jog, was to drive to Jamba Java (or something like that), meet up with a running partner and take off from there. This doesn't appear to be what she did on Saturday. Per her husband, she left jogging from home.

hhmmmmmm.......

Also, it was repeated on NG's show, about the couple separating, and Brad refused to leave.

That rumor may have legs, imo.

This case is getting more by the book by the hour.

:(
JMHO
fran


:rolleyes:PS...Have we heard from the other woman yet?:slap:

My bold above

Fran, don't these idiots ever read the end of the book? Chapter 10: Charged
Chapter 11: Convicted
Chapter 12: Death Penalty (heh, hopefully)
Chapter 13: NOT WORTH IT - GET A DIVORCE

[panthera]

Oh, let's see if Greta brings up the 4 a.m. bleach trip.
Nothing mentioned. It was Amanda Lamb (from wral) reporting via phone with just the same information that's in the online edition! :)

[PandaJ]

Greta just said that crime scene tape has been put up around the Cooper home. She said it was just breaking from WRAL.

Anyone else hear this?

I heard it. She also said they don't think Brad is in there.

[kellis06]

Thanks Sandybeaches!!!!

[MoonFlwr]

Does anyone have the link to the last Press Conference that was held? The one where the reporter asked about the 4 am trip to the store.

http://www.wral.com/news/video/3211708/

[Busylady]

I think the other sites are his, the location, and employer all matches up with Brad Coopers info on the other sites.

I don't think any of these racing sites are his anymore.....it looks like him in the pics but that wowspeak one has a wife and kids that definitely aren't the Brad Cooper's that we're talking about. :confused:

jmo

[Taximom]

Does anyone have the link to the last Press Conference that was held? The one where the reporter asked about the 4 am trip to the store.

Just FYI: That question is asked at about 11:40 into the video.

[close_enough]

Greta just said that crime scene tape has been put up around the Cooper home. She said it was just breaking from WRAL.

Anyone else hear this?

yes, i heard this also...

[panthera]

FWIW, per NG tonite, she said that Nancy's normal MO for a jog, was to drive to Jamba Java (or something like that), meet up with a running partner and take off from there. This doesn't appear to be what she did on Saturday. Per her husband, she left jogging from home.

hhmmmmmm.......

Also, it was repeated on NG's show, about the couple separating, and Brad refused to leave.

That rumor may have legs, imo.

This case is getting more by the book by the hour.

:(
JMHO
fran


:rolleyes:PS...Have we heard from the other woman yet?:slap:
After about 5 attempts at the quote button without getting white pages ~ if Nancy normally drove to this place to meet her friend, why would she suddenly change her routine, and leave from home, on foot, without any cellphone or ID? That's another red flag to me, that she never left home that morning at all ~ I think she was already disposed of by the time she was supposed to be jogging. :mad:

[buttabsy]

Greta just said that crime scene tape has been put up around the Cooper home. She said it was just breaking from WRAL.

Anyone else hear this?

The Cooper's home is less than a mile from our house. We had to come home that way from dinner tonight. The main road through the neighborhood goes behind their house. From the back we could see police tape across the fence in the back yard and a police officer was parked on the side of the road behind the house.

[close_enough]

Oh, let's see if Greta brings up the 4 a.m. bleach trip.

no...actually the case wasn't discussed long at all:confused:

[PandaJ]

I think the other sites are his, the location, and employer all matches up with Brad Coopers info on the other sites.

Oh, ok....I was confused - I thought the pics looked really similar....I guess just a weird coincidence that two Brad Coopers with dark hair are very interested in racing and have blogs.

It's easy to confuse my tired little brain at this hour.

[close_enough]

After about 5 attempts at the quote button without getting white pages ~ if Nancy normally drove to this place to meet her friend, why would she suddenly change her routine, and leave from home, on foot, without any cellphone or ID? That's another red flag to me, that she never left home that morning at all ~ I think she was already disposed of by the time she was supposed to be jogging. :mad:

i agree with you Panthera......

[close_enough]

The Cooper's home is less than a mile from our house. We had to come home that way from dinner tonight. The main road through the neighborhood goes behind their house. From the back we could see police tape across the fence in the back yard and a police officer was parked on the side of the road behind the house.

interesting...thanks for the inside info, & welcome to WS:)

[PandaJ]

interesting...thanks for the inside info, & welcome to WS:)

O/T for a sec, but I just have to let you all know that you guys are the nicest group of posters! I love it here on WS so far...I'm forgetting all about IS! :)

ok, sorry, back on topic...

[Blink34]

The Cooper's home is less than a mile from our house. We had to come home that way from dinner tonight. The main road through the neighborhood goes behind their house. From the back we could see police tape across the fence in the back yard and a police officer was parked on the side of the road behind the house.

A reporter on Greta said the home is encircled in yellow crime tape, and that there are several uni police officers guarding the home and Brad is not inside. Notice how they wait until after hours to execute the warrants, he may not have lawyered up yet.

[Taximom]

It's ok, PandaJ, we've all been there w/tired brains on these breaking cases! lol

I don't know if this links works, but there's pics of where she was found and the Cooper family:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/3210456/?img_list=3210456%2C3203553%2C3208172%2C3210730%2C 3210729%2C3210731%2C3212312&ref_id=3207944 (http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/3210456/?img_list=3210456%2C3203553%2C3208172%2C3210730%2C 3210729%2C3210731%2C3212312&ref_id=3207944)

[Taximom]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/taximomws/cooperfamily-600x450.jpg

[panthera]

i agree with you Panthera......
Hi close_enough! :wave: It seems, including the trip to the store at 4am for the bleach, that he could be out disposing of her then stopped at the store on his way back home to clean up. I'm anxious to hear from the ME!

[panthera]

O/T for a sec, but I just have to let you all know that you guys are the nicest group of posters! I love it here on WS so far...I'm forgetting all about IS! :)

ok, sorry, back on topic...
Why thank you very kindly ~ and it's nice to have you here! :)

[close_enough]

O/T for a sec, but I just have to let you all know that you guys are the nicest group of posters! I love it here on WS so far...I'm forgetting all about IS! :)

ok, sorry, back on topic...

cool:)

[panthera]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/taximomws/cooperfamily-600x450.jpg
It's so sad to look at this photo now, without my heart breaking for those beautiful little girls. Thankfully Nancy has a twin sister ~ they'll never forget what their mom looks like. :rose::rose:

[jilly]

Michelle Young is why I have the ticker in my siggy, SS. We have a huge forum for her case. :(

I found it!:thumb:

I never noticed your siggy before! That's really neat!:blowkiss:

[PandaJ]

It's ok, PandaJ, we've all been there w/tired brains on these breaking cases! lol

I don't know if this links works, but there's pics of where she was found and the Cooper family:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/3210456/?img_list=3210456%2C3203553%2C3208172%2C3210730%2C 3210729%2C3210731%2C3212312&ref_id=3207944

Thanks for the link to those pics.....so sad. Whoever it was just discarded her like garbage. :(

[Blink34]

Hi close_enough! :wave: It seems, including the trip to the store at 4am for the bleach, that he could be out disposing of her then stopped at the store on his way back home to clean up. I'm anxious to hear from the ME!

Unfortunately you won't until they make an arrest, I think the chief has been clear they are going to keep that hush for now.
I'm thinking strangulation or combination strangulation/drowning god forbid.

[Taximom]

Oh, panthera, your comment about their aunt brought tears to my eyes.

[kellis06]

Here is a video from a helicopter flyover of the area where Nancy's body was found.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/

[close_enough]

Hi close_enough! :wave: It seems, including the trip to the store at 4am for the bleach, that he could be out disposing of her then stopped at the store on his way back home to clean up. I'm anxious to hear from the ME!

i tend to agree....i think it probably happened as you say....i think an argument started as soon as she got home from the party .... i think he probably stopped for bleach/cleaning product on the way home after dumping her body:(

it was mentioned on NG this evening that a friend at the party said Nancy didn't look good that night, & she (Nancy) said she "felt rough".....did anyone else hear this on NG, earlier?

[Blink34]

Thanks for the link to those pics.....so sad. Whoever it was just discarded her like garbage. :(
Can anyone know for sure if she was found floating or on the top embankment where the white sheeting is? Both were reported, I'm just wondering which is correct.

[Tia]

It's so sad to look at this photo now, without my heart breaking for those beautiful little girls. Thankfully Nancy has a twin sister ~ they'll never forget what their mom looks like. :rose::rose:

Its heartbreaking to see those beautiful children and to know that their loving mommy was murdered and thrown away.

Its becoming quite the epidemic in our country. What do these men think they will gain?

Marital issues and/or discussion of divorce/separation always seem to be at the crux of these cases.

[Blink34]

i tend to agree....i think it probably happened as you say....i think an argument started as soon as she got home from the party .... i think he probably stopped for bleach/cleaning product on the way home after dumping her body:(

it was mentioned on NG this evening that a friend at the party said Nancy didn't look good that night, & she (Nancy) said she "felt rough".....did anyone else hear this on NG, earlier?

I have read directly quoted from the hostess that they remarked she looked tired and she replied she was not feeling well.

[panthera]

Unfortunately you won't until they make an arrest, I think the chief has been clear they are going to keep that hush for now.
I'm thinking strangulation or combination strangulation/drowning god forbid.
I know and it's good they won't release much information right now, complete their investigation and not compromise a potential jury. I'm tired of defense lawyers making a million motions about the jury pool being tainted and wanting trials moved!!

[panthera]

I have read directly quoted from the hostess that they remarked she looked tired and she replied she was not feeling well.
The more I think about this statement, I'm wondering if someone could've drugged her before or at the party? :eek:

[close_enough]

I have read directly quoted from the hostess that they remarked she looked tired and she replied she was not feeling well.

okie dokie....wanted to make sure i heard that right....gosh, she was probably sick & tired of having to deal with this jerk, ugh...

[close_enough]

I know and it's good they won't release much information right now, complete their investigation and not compromise a potential jury. I'm tired of defense lawyers making a million motions about the jury pool being tainted and wanting trials moved!!

Michelle Young's autopsy was released, & no one's been arrested to this day.....

[close_enough]

Can anyone know for sure if she was found floating or on the top embankment where the white sheeting is? Both were reported, I'm just wondering which is correct.

the way i've heard it, it was like in a ditch?...so i'm thinking her body was found on an embankment.....i could be wrong though; it's just how i understand it...

[panthera]

i tend to agree....i think it probably happened as you say....i think an argument started as soon as she got home from the party .... i think he probably stopped for bleach/cleaning product on the way home after dumping her body:(

it was mentioned on NG this evening that a friend at the party said Nancy didn't look good that night, & she (Nancy) said she "felt rough".....did anyone else hear this on NG, earlier?
I didn't see NG. Honestly, my new digital cable is having issues with some stations, including hers. I get this "one moment please" message. :cursing: I'll look up her transcript later!

[panthera]

Michelle Young's autopsy was released, & no one's been arrested to this day.....
Yes, I know. For some reason they just don't have enough to tie Jason to the murder and get a conviction. :(

[Taximom]

Can anyone know for sure if she was found floating or on the top embankment where the white sheeting is? Both were reported, I'm just wondering which is correct.

I just read that it is a "storm-water pond" which means that water could have been much higher after the rains that weekend. So she might have been in the water initially but then left on the embankment as the water receded.

Oh, so sad.

[jilly]

The Cooper's home is less than a mile from our house. We had to come home that way from dinner tonight. The main road through the neighborhood goes behind their house. From the back we could see police tape across the fence in the back yard and a police officer was parked on the side of the road behind the house.

:Welcome-12-june::) Looking forward to your input here!

[fran]

My bold above

Fran, don't these idiots ever read the end of the book? Chapter 10: Charged
Chapter 11: Convicted
Chapter 12: Death Penalty (heh, hopefully)
Chapter 13: NOT WORTH IT - GET A DIVORCE


LOL, you're right Taximom, they think they don't need to finish the book because they believe they are smarter than all the ones before them.

In fact, they should just read chapter 13, "NOT WORTH IT - GET A DIVORCE":bang:

Maybe some day enough of them will be behind bars, they'll finally start getting it.:rolleyes: I doubt it though :(

JMHO
fran

[Taximom]

Who was with the kids when they were at the party? They might also have some input as to the mood of the Coopers before/after. Did Nancy Cooper come home w/Brad? Was Brad agitated? Etc. etc. etc.

[concernedperson]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/taximomws/cooperfamily-600x450.jpg

This kind of pic shakes you to the core. It isn't enough that someone was murdered it reflects solely on our choices. Are we not paying attention enough or is there a basic cruelty we don't get? How can we be so blinded? Do we trust so much that if they aren't meth heads that we must be OK?

I think I am very shaken by this crime as it reflects what we all want to be about. Loving families and pursuing the dream.For Nancy and so many others life is just not that predictable.

We can't paint this picture with one brush. I am beginning to believe that it is more complicated than we will ever know. Not just that husbands lose it but that there is underlying causes that we don't see in society. I have to think it is a personality disorder that doesn't manifest itself until it is too late for some.

To me this is very fearful. Trust goes out the window.

[close_enough]

Here is a video from a helicopter flyover of the area where Nancy's body was found.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/

thanks!

was this the scene after her body had been removed, or do you know?....now i'm not so sure that she wasn't actually in the water....what would the white piece of material be?...something to bring her body upon??..like instead of moving up the ditch on the dirt???..

[panthera]

I just read that it is a "storm-water pond" which means that water could have been much higher after the rains that weekend. So she might have been in the water initially but then left on the embankment as the water receded.

Oh, so sad.
I'm still trying to get more of a feel for where she was found, and why if she was exposed wasn't she found earlier? I realize this is a new residential development and maybe no one around? :waitasec:

[close_enough]

Who was with the kids when they were at the party? They might also have some input as to the mood of the Coopers before/after. Did Nancy Cooper come home w/Brad? Was Brad agitated? Etc. etc. etc.

ok, this is my understanding.....i read/heard that Brad didn't go to the party:confused:

[Blink34]

the way i've heard it, it was like in a ditch?...so i'm thinking her body was found on an embankment.....i could be wrong though; it's just how i understand it...

I was reviewing the aerial footage, and I can't tell if she had been removed by then, or if the sheet is covering her?

[Blink34]

ok, this is my understanding.....i read/heard that Brad didn't go to the party:confused:
that's correct

[close_enough]

I didn't see NG. Honestly, my new digital cable is having issues with some stations, including hers. I get this "one moment please" message. :cursing: I'll look up her transcript later!

hey, when we first got digital cable, we'd get the same message, from time to time...call the cable company....i don't know what they did, but it worked:)

[panthera]

hey, when we first got digital cable, we'd get the same message, from time to time...call the cable company....i don't know what they did, but it worked:)
Thank you :) I have called them and it still does it. Also some local stations. I guess I'll have to do it again!! :rolleyes:

[jilly]

And :Welcome-12-june: to each :newbie:

Awesome to have your all here!:Banane19:

[Taximom]

ok, this is my understanding.....i read/heard that Brad didn't go to the party:confused:

Oh, I missed that somewhere, close! Thanks. :blowkiss:

[buttabsy]

Just found a photo of the family. How sad that no matter what the outcome this family will never be again for those little girls.

http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/profiles/students/2007/gradfall07/index.php

[Busylady]

Does it look like they are draining that little pond? There seems to be a tube towards the end of the video maybe used to pump water out?

Here is a video from a helicopter flyover of the area where Nancy's body was found.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/

[panthera]

ok, this is my understanding.....i read/heard that Brad didn't go to the party:confused:
I guess that rules out my theory he could've drugged her to cause her to not feel well. Maybe she was just exhausted from stress at home and her training.

[RoughlyCollie]

I don't know if this will work for you, but after calling our cable co. with the same problem, this is what they finally told us:

Put 8 in front of the channel number (ch. 25 becomes ch. 825). It worked. Maybe it will work for you.

Thank you :) I have called them and it still does it. Also some local stations. I guess I'll have to do it again!! :rolleyes:

[Blink34]

The more I think about this statement, I'm wondering if someone could've drugged her before or at the party? :eek:

I think they would have noticed if she were actually drugged, and based on the reported scratches on Brad, Im thinking this was not premeditated but a fight that went too far; if he set her on the embankment vs. dumping her in the pond, I would be further convinced of that. He had to carry her at "dead weight" in difficult terrain through brush, etc, in the dark as opposed to easily rolling her down the embankment into the pond.

[Blink34]

Does it look like they are draining that little pond? There seems to be a tube towards the end of the video maybe used to pump water out?

Yes, that is what I was thinking and trying to understand if she had been removed already.

[close_enough]

Does it look like they are draining that little pond? There seems to be a tube towards the end of the video maybe used to pump water out?

yes it does...i see the hose also...probably draining it out to look for further evidence?

[Taximom]

If the area is anything like where my brother lives, it's a nice cul-de-sac with woods and a place for extra water to go when it rains. I couldn't tell if that was a dirt path or not from the pics. Maybe locals run or walk there? How did the murderer know where to put her?

[jilly]

To me this is very fearful. Trust goes out the window.

cp this is only the tip of the iceberg imo. We're gonna see a lot more of this. I am a baby boomer and many of the younger generations don't seem to have the same core values as we do. It's an "All about ME world" to many.

[close_enough]

Oh, I missed that somewhere, close! Thanks. :blowkiss:

you're welcome:blowkiss:

& big kissy face to you 2 jilly:blowkiss:

[close_enough]

Yes, that is what I was thinking and trying to understand if she had been removed already.

same here, hmmm

[close_enough]

someone mentioned that they thought the children may have been left alone while Nancy's body was being disposed of....i meant to reply earlier, that i think it's very possible....

[Taximom]

Just found a photo of the family. How sad that no matter what the outcome this family will never be again for those little girls.

http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/profiles/students/2007/gradfall07/index.php

Good find, buttabsy!

Here's the pic:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/taximomws/cooper.jpg

[buttabsy]

One more thing I found...

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7326990462

[panthera]

I don't know if this will work for you, but after calling our cable co. with the same problem, this is what they finally told us:

Put 8 in front of the channel number (ch. 25 becomes ch. 825). It worked. Maybe it will work for you.
That's interesting!! I just tried it but it won't do anything just goes back to the time display. thanks anyway!! :blowkiss: I just hate to be bothered having them come back out again and DH doesn't mind as long as he gets espn!! I do miss seeing Nancy Grace though especially when there's an interesting case like this one.

[jilly]

& big kissy face to you 2 jilly:blowkiss:

Backatcha friend!:smoochiesmilie:

[panthera]

Good find, buttabsy!

Here's the pic:
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh293/taximomws/cooper.jpg
Has it been mentioned anywhere how old Brad is? He looks younger than Nancy.

[Taximom]

I'm pretty sure they are both 34 yrs, panthera.

[close_enough]

If the area is anything like where my brother lives, it's a nice cul-de-sac with woods and a place for extra water to go when it rains. I couldn't tell if that was a dirt path or not from the pics. Maybe locals run or walk there? How did the murderer know where to put her?

maybe it's a place where he would run sometimes?....hmm, i don't know....but others knew about the area, since a person walking his dog found her...i guess?

[buttabsy]

One more thing I found...

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7326990462

Brad Cooper
Brad
North Carolina State University - Business, RALEIGH, NC, Class of 2008
Medicine Hat College, MEDICINE HAT, AB, Class of 1993
University of Calgary - Computer Science, CALGARY, AB, Class of 1995
Ism Alberta, EDMONTON, AB
Trans Canada Pipelines, CALGARY, AB
Cisco Systems, RALEIGH, NC
Crescent Heights High School, MEDICINE HAT, AB, Class of 1991

[panthera]

I'm pretty sure they are both 34 yrs, panthera.
ok, thanks! :blowkiss:

[close_enough]

One more thing I found...

http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=7326990462

oh that might be interesting!....i don't have an account/membership with classmates though, ugh...

[close_enough]

how far away is this pond, from their home?....i guess i could search it out, but does anyone know, off the top of their head?.....

[Aimee729]

IDK if Brad is younger- perhaps all of his time spent training and blogging about his accomplishments gives him a youthful glow. I bet Nancy had no time for elaborate training blogs- she was a mother to her two little girls.Also, maybe Brad didn't go to the party because he and Nancy were arguing already- and she went to the party to "save face"- leaving him hours to plot his actions upon her return.:confused:

[close_enough]

found it....

A man walking his dog near Holly Springs Road and Fielding Drive – less than three miles from Cooper's home – found Cooper's body lying on the bank of a storm water pond near a cul-de-sac in the yet-unbuilt Oaks at Meadowridge subdivision.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3207944

[panthera]

someone mentioned that they thought the children may have been left alone while Nancy's body was being disposed of....i meant to reply earlier, that i think it's very possible....
I do too, especially now that we know he wasn't at the party but was probably home with the kids, so there wasn't a sitter they'd be with overnight. And he sure wouldn't be calling one in the middle of the night.

[philamena]

If it was that clean, then why would he need the bleach? And scratches on the arms......?? Unfortunately, it sounds to me like she probably didn't go that peacefully.
Exactly. I think he killed her in the car and dumped her body on the road.

apexmama-welcome

[close_enough]

IDK if Brad is younger- perhaps all of his time spent training and blogging about his accomplishments gives him a youthful glow. I bet Nancy had no time for elaborate training blogs- she was a mother to her two little girls.Also, maybe Brad didn't go to the party because he and Nancy were arguing already- and she went to the party to "save face"- leaving him hours to plot his actions upon her return.:confused:

very possible!...i was thinking along those lines too....i had heard he was giving Nancy problems with the separation/divorce, regarding custody of the children too....(i think i heard this on Greta's show the other night)....i'd bet they'd been arguing prior to this party, & he was playing the 'good father' at home w/the girls, giving Nancy grief about him not wanting to leave the home, etc.........i'll bet he was stewing when she got home a little after midnight....

[close_enough]

I do too, especially now that we know he wasn't at the party but was probably home with the kids, so there wasn't a sitter they'd be with overnight. And he sure wouldn't be calling one in the middle of the night.

there may have been a sitter, but not a word has been mentioned about that....until i hear otherwise, i tend to agree...Brad was with the girls that Friday night...

[panthera]

there may have been a sitter, but not a word has been mentioned about that....until i hear otherwise, i tend to agree...Brad was with the girls that Friday night...
I'm discounting a sitter too because he wasn't at the party, and because nothing's been mentioned of him picking up the girls in the morning, just that he says Nancy went out to jog @ 7am.

[Taximom]

I signed in at Classmates, but it still won't let me see his full profile. Is there a secret to viewing it that I don't know of?! :mad:

[philamena]

Here is a video from a helicopter flyover of the area where Nancy's body was found.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/


Thanks for the link.
My guess is he pulled into the cul da sac, opened the passenger door and pushed her out.:mad:

[panthera]

I signed in at Classmates, but it still won't let me see his full profile. Is there a secret to viewing it that I don't know of?! :mad:
I'm sorry I can't be of any help there!! :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Philamena! (You beat me to it!)

OT: Taxi...I knew I had seen the name before of M. Y.! Strange tho...because when I put her name into search it came up with nothing except this thread.

[Taximom]

OK, got in. Interests: dogs, cycling, action flicks. No friends listed. 6 pictures of his triathalon (Ironman FL) events. No mention of family that I can see.

[Taximom]

Thanks, Philamena! (You beat me to it!)

OT: Taxi...I knew I had seen the name before of M. Y.! Strange tho...because when I put her name into search it came up with nothing except this thread.

I don't know why, but WS search sucks. Even tags don't come up sometimes. I'm sure it's just me though.

[kellis06]

Since it's a "yet-unbuilt subdivision" are the roads paved already? I noticed the map posted earlier looks like they're just planned roads. What I'm thinking is how close could a car get to where she was found & if it's still dirt that would be left on the car.

Quoting myself to say never mind on this one I just looked at the helicopter video and see there is paved road!!
In the helicopter footage of the area it seems that the roads are paved and that a vehicle could drive almost to the dump area. It does seem like there is a lot of dirt from the road to the water retention area though, wonder if any shoe prints or tire tracks were found?

[wherego]

I signed in at Classmates, but it still won't let me see his full profile. Is there a secret to viewing it that I don't know of?! :mad:


You have to be a paying member to view the good stuff!
I'm not a paying member so I can't help.

[buttabsy]

I signed in at Classmates, but it still won't let me see his full profile. Is there a secret to viewing it that I don't know of?! :mad:

I posted what was on the sight in an above post. It tells of his academic and work history with dates. Just for anyone who might be interested.

[panthera]

Well it's really late for me having to get up early so I'll say good night! I hope tomorrow brings more news (and maybe an arrest) ~ :seeya:

[Blink34]

Thanks for the link.
My guess is he pulled into the circle, opened the passenger door and pushed her out.:mad:

That does not work, he HAD to walk that little "precipice" navigate the shrubs and put her on the embnakment based on where she was found. If he did open the door and push her out she would be on the opposite side as I see it. The link with the slideshow really gives a better angle.

[philamena]

That does not work, he HAD to walk that little "precipice" navigate the shrubs and put her on the embnakment based on where she was found. If he did open the door and push her out she would be on the opposite side as I see it. The link with the slideshow really gives a better angle.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. After watching the footage filmed from the helicopter, it looks like there's ample room for a vehicle to drive into the culde sac.
I will however check it out again.

[Blink34]

Exactly. I think he killed her in the car and dumped her body on the road.

apexmama-welcome

I dont think she would have gotten in a car with him and left the kids, I personally think she was killed at the house.

[close_enough]

OK, got in. Interests: dogs, cycling, action flicks. No friends listed. 6 pictures of his triathalon (Ironman FL) events. No mention of family that I can see.

why doesn't that surprise me:rolleyes:

[close_enough]

I dont think she would have gotten in a car with him and left the kids, I personally think she was killed at the house.

most definately, Blink....imo

[close_enough]

Well it's really late for me having to get up early so I'll say good night! I hope tomorrow brings more news (and maybe an arrest) ~ :seeya:

same here...later:)

[Blink34]

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. After watching the footage filmed from the helicopter, it looks like there's ample room for a vehicle to drive into the culda sac.
I will however check it out again.

Me too, I was on here til 3am last eve, my eyes are crossing, I'll look at it again tomorrow. I agree there is ample room to drive up to the culdesac, but I thought her body was either under the white sheet or it was marking where she was found. If she was found on the opposite side, you are right.

[philamena]

I dont think she would have gotten in a car with him and left the kids, I personally think she was killed at the house.


I see.....
If she was killed at the house then of course my theory was wrong.

[Taximom]

Just found this. (Family mentioned!)
Let's see how this looks when I paste it from his Classmates profile:

What are your favorite outdoor activities?

Cycling
Jogging
It's movie night-what do you like to see?

Action flicks
What pet(s) do you have (or wish you had)?

Dogs
What brings you to Classmates?

Pure curiosity
What's your current relationship status?

Married
How many kids do you have (or want to have)?

Two

[Taximom]

Hmm, so do they have a dog? There's always a chance of forensic evidence there....

[philamena]

Me too, I was on here til 3am last eve, my eyes are crossing, I'll look at it again tomorrow. I agree there is ample room to drive up to the culdesac, but I thought her body was either under the white sheet or it was marking where she was found. If she was found on the opposite side, you are right.


I know how you feel. ;)


Since we know he bought bleach... he either tried to clean up the house or the car. LE has searched both, maybe we will see an arrest tomorrow.

After seeing the pictures of the girls, I got upset all over again.
Why can't these men just go ahead with divorce??
Now the beautiful little girls don't have a mommy and their dad imo will soon be locked up in jail.:mad:

[lorelei]

From the news video of the site, I think I found where it is on google maps. I think I saw somewhere that she was found about 2.5-3 miles from her house, and it does appear to be the right distance from there, etc?

I can never figure out how to link to a google map and make it work but if you search for this on google maps

Fielding Dr & Hidden Tree Ct
Raleigh, NC 27606

Then look at the satellite images, I think the little drainage pond where she was found is right between the 2 southernmost driveways in the cul de sac being constructed just south of that intersection.

It could be a different cul de sac since sometimes googles satellite maps are old, but it is at least set up exactly the same way in terms of driveways, dirt lot right off the corner,etc for people to look at for some info.

[KaylynnCouture]

I signed in at Classmates, but it still won't let me see his full profile. Is there a secret to viewing it that I don't know of?! :mad:

I can see it. Do you want me to screenshot it for you?

[Taximom]

This link was posted initially so I thought I'd post it again for newbies:
http://www.nancycooper.blogspot.com/
Blog originally started by friend(s) when she first went missing

:(

[Taximom]

I can see it. Do you want me to screenshot it for you?

I finally got in, but if others here want to see it you might want to do that for them! Thanks!

[KaylynnCouture]

For those of you who want to and can't see Brads classmates.com account, here's some screenshots.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2hnlwdi.png

[Blink34]

I see.....
If she was killed at the house then of course my theory was wrong.
Well, not totally, he had to get her there-

Does anyone think the purse in the car is relevant to what happened? I was thinking, if she was right in the neighborhood, she never drove it that evening?
I have also been reviewing domestic homicides like this looks like, and sadly, in 100% of cases, the perp has an infidelity issue or some sort of Major secretive event or activity; people just don't risk killing and losing everything, when in general they appear to be rational and logical in everyday life. I have that gut feeling Brad is a bad boy and Nancy found out.

[close_enough]

ok, i had to watch the link kellis posted again...

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/

i see your point now Phil.....but i guess what's confusing is how often the camera shows this white thing/material laying on the side of the pond....but, IMO, either side of it, he would have almost had to carry her a piece.....unless he pulled up really close off the road, in the dirt there where the investigators are standing around, & rolled her down the embankment...?....so sad:(

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm discounting a sitter too because he wasn't at the party, and because nothing's been mentioned of him picking up the girls in the morning, just that he says Nancy went out to jog @ 7am.True nothing was mentioned, but I figured since she was out and not feeling well..the girls could have been staying at a friend's house.

The whole feeling rough thing sounds like stress to me. It is possible they had been fighting the night before up until the dinner.

Here is my theory for the moment:

I think whatever took place happened after she returned home from the dinner. A fight over how long she was gone, who was at the dinner, or possibly he didn't want her to go in the first place. He most likely got very angry and struck her which could be a reason for the *detergent/bleach product. I think she was only stunned. If he went into a blind rage at that point, I would say he strangled her to death as she instinctively clawed at his arms to stop him. He changed her clothes into what he claimed she was wearing when he last saw her (remember...truth in lies). He loaded her in the car while it was in the garage and drove to dump her where she was found. In his excellent physical condition, he could have easily carried her to that spot.

* Reasons I don't think he purchased the detergent/bleach on the way home:

a) He wouldn't go look for it while she was still in the house to know they did not have any. I don't think he was that calm and rational at the time.

b) He would not have taken the time to focus on the clean up until after everything was over. He needed to focus on his plan to dispose of her.

c) He wouldn't go into the store with blood on his shirt, dirt, or fresh scratches on his arms. He went home and cleaned himself up first.

[close_enough]

Well, not totally, he had to get her there-

Does anyone think the purse in the car is relevant to what happened? I was thinking, if she was right in the neighborhood, she never drove it that evening?I have also been reviewing domestic homicides like this looks like, and sadly, in 100% of cases, the perp has an infidelity issue or some sort of Major secretive event or activity; people just don't risk killing and losing everything, when in general they appear to be rational and logical in everyday life. I have that gut feeling Brad is a bad boy and Nancy found out.

right....from what i understand, the party was in the neighborhood...i don't know if it's been reported or not, but i'm leaning toward Nancy actually walking to the party.....i still don't understand why she'd leave her purse in the car though, OR why HE would put it there either:confused:

[Blink34]

For those of you who want to and can't see Brads classmates.com account, here's some screenshots.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2hnlwdi.png

Am I wrong or is it odd for someone to have this many online "sites"-

[close_enough]

Just found this. (Family mentioned!)
Let's see how this looks when I paste it from his Classmates profile:

What are your favorite outdoor activities?

Cycling
Jogging
It's movie night-what do you like to see?

Action flicks
What pet(s) do you have (or wish you had)?

Dogs
What brings you to Classmates?

Pure curiosity
What's your current relationship status?

Married
How many kids do you have (or want to have)?

Two


aaahhh, then i AM surprised....

[close_enough]

Am I wrong or is it odd for someone to have this many online "sites"-

lol...no, i find it odd also, but i guess it's because i've only been in one "group" site, other than here at WS....lots of folks join lots of online group sites though.....

[Taximom]

I don't know, Blink. I've got quite a few for different purposes. Are you saying that because he's a guy? Just wondering!

momto3, can you give us the location/address of the store? I'd like to know so we can check how much time would be needed for various trips made by BC. (Which we still have to figure out, basically.) Thank you!

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't find it odd he had that many sites. He probably was given many of the addresses by buddies who shared his interest in cycling, hiking, running, etc. when he was going across the country doing his sport. Plus...since he was from outside the country, he may want to allow his friends and family keep up with his MANY accomplishments. If you hadn't noticed...he liked to brag about everything except his wife and daughters!

[Blink34]

True nothing was mentioned, but I figured since she was out and not feeling well..the girls could have been staying at a friend's house.

The whole feeling rough thing sounds like stress to me. It is possible they had been fighting the night before up until the dinner.

Here is my theory for the moment:

I think whatever took place happened after she returned home from the dinner. A fight over how long she was gone, who was at the dinner, or possibly he didn't want her to go in the first place. He most likely got very angry and struck her which could be a reason for the *detergent/bleach product. I think she was only stunned. If he went into a blind rage at that point, I would say he strangled her to death as she instinctively clawed at his arms to stop him. He changed her clothes into what he claimed she was wearing when he last saw her (remember...truth in lies). He loaded her in the car while it was in the garage and drove to dump her where she was found. In his excellent physical condition, he could have easily carried ather to that spot.

* Reasons I don't think he purchased the detergent/bleach on the way home:

a) He wouldn't go look for it while she was still in the house to know they did not have any. I don't think he was that calm and rational at the time.

b) He would not have taken the time to focus on the clean up until after everything was over. He needed to focus on his plan to dispose of her.

c) He wouldn't go into the store with blood on his shirt, dirt, or fresh scratches on his arms. He went home and cleaned himself up first.

But doesnt that have him leaving twice? That's a hell of a chance to take that both kids (especially the 2 year old) would wake, no?

[philamena]

Well, not totally, he had to get her there-

Does anyone think the purse in the car is relevant to what happened? I was thinking, if she was right in the neighborhood, she never drove it that evening?
I have also been reviewing domestic homicides like this looks like, and sadly, in 100% of cases, the perp has an infidelity issue or some sort of Major secretive event or activity; people just don't risk killing and losing everything, when in general they appear to be rational and logical in everyday life. I have that gut feeling Brad is a bad boy and Nancy found out.

I was thinking about that too.

Remember Lori Hacking?
Her husband was a consummate liar and killed her because his secret life of lies was about to be found out.:mad:

Laci Peterson's husband, SP, was romancing Amber Frey.:furious:

Michelle Young, pregnant murdered in her home.
Her poshusband hasn't been arrested yet though.:mad:

There are so many tragedys like this.
I don't understand why these men don't divorce their wifes instead of killing them?

[close_enough]

True nothing was mentioned, but I figured since she was out and not feeling well..the girls could have been staying at a friend's house.

The whole feeling rough thing sounds like stress to me. It is possible they had been fighting the night before up until the dinner.

Here is my theory for the moment:

I think whatever took place happened after she returned home from the dinner. A fight over how long she was gone, who was at the dinner, or possibly he didn't want her to go in the first place. He most likely got very angry and struck her which could be a reason for the *detergent/bleach product. I think she was only stunned. If he went into a blind rage at that point, I would say he strangled her to death as she instinctively clawed at his arms to stop him. He changed her clothes into what he claimed she was wearing when he last saw her (remember...truth in lies). He loaded her in the car while it was in the garage and drove to dump her where she was found. In his excellent physical condition, he could have easily carried her to that spot.

* Reasons I don't think he purchased the detergent/bleach on the way home:

a) He wouldn't go look for it while she was still in the house to know they did not have any. I don't think he was that calm and rational at the time.

b) He would not have taken the time to focus on the clean up until after everything was over. He needed to focus on his plan to dispose of her.

c) He wouldn't go into the store with blood on his shirt, dirt, or fresh scratches on his arms. He went home and cleaned himself up first.

sounds pretty good, except he'd have to be pretty calm & rational, IMO, to change her clothes....it wouldn't have taken but minutes to change his own, before disposing of her body.....

interesting though....if she got home a little past midnight, a fight started, he killed her, disposed of her body, went home & cleaned himself up, then went back out to the store & bought cleaning products at 4 am....just thinking here...wonder why he'd tell LE he stopped at the store at 6 am?....guess it sounded less suspicious than saying 4 am....hmmmm

[Taximom]

I'm surprised he hasn't lawyered up yet.

[close_enough]

I don't know, Blink. I've got quite a few for different purposes. Are you saying that because he's a guy? Just wondering!

momto3, can you give us the location/address of the store? I'd like to know so we can check how much time would be needed for various trips made by BC. (Which we still have to figure out, basically.) Thank you!


OH, excellent question, TM!...i hope she responds!

[philamena]

ok, i had to watch the link kellis posted again...

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3210710/

i see your point now Phil.....but i guess what's confusing is how often the camera shows this white thing/material laying on the side of the pond....but, IMO, either side of it, he would have almost had to carry her a piece.....unless he pulled up really close off the road, in the dirt there where the investigators are standing around, & rolled her down the embankment...?....so sad:(

It is confusing close_enough. I most likely jumped to the conclusion about him pulling into the culde sac. But we have no idea which direction he drove. Does that many any sense? :blush:

[close_enough]

But doesnt that have him leaving twice? That's a hell of a chance to take that both kids (especially the 2 year old) would wake, no?

good point....i just don't see him leaving the house twice, but it's possible

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, not totally, he had to ge