Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #4

[WindChime]

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#3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67464
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[luckyme]

If they luminoled that house last night, I bet it lit up like a xmas tree! JMO Bleach will not get rid of everything! Thats jmo ! oh and if it was just laundry detergent wow!

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, WindChime!

Philamena, I wasn't fast enough to bring over the photo you posted from the newsobserver, but could you repost it here..please? I was trying to figure out what the object were they were carrying out. One looked possibly like a pillow and the tall one may be a lamp. Thanks!!

[petra]

Thanks WindChime.:)

[swimmom]

If he was buying laundry detergent with bleach then I suspect he wouldn't be cleaning the floors, furniture, etc. with that. IMO - maybe rugs or clothing!

[luckyme]

If he was buying laundry detergent with bleach then I suspect he wouldn't be cleaning the floors, furniture, etc. with that. IMO - maybe rugs or clothing!
Hi swimmom, Maybe he just thought there was bleach in the detergent! NOT! I dont know, but some men if they dont do the wash wouldnt know! jmo

[nursebeeme]

My hubby was on the all army triathlon team, went to ironman hawaii and has done many other ironman length races. I know blinky already posted it, but I confirmed with my hubby and yes...only pros are tested. When we were in Hawaii, Luc Von Lierde was dq`d for drugs and he was the fave to win.

BC is not racing pro...from looking at his blog he is an age grouper and has not been at it very long.

Another thing to add....ironman training, equipment, race entry, etc is VERY EXPENSIVE (personal experience here folks). My hubby's racing bike was two grand and it was a cheaper one! It is also expensive figuratively in terms of the time you are away training. Five hour bike rides followed by a two hour run.... It really can get very hard to be supportive after awhile.

Perhpas the ironmans were a point of contention? (ie, time away from home and money spent ....thousands.... on the sport itself)

And who was it...who said donuts again?! Oh no!!!! All I have sweet in this nasty set of army quarters is a jar of peanut butter LOL

[panthera]

If he was buying laundry detergent with bleach then I suspect he wouldn't be cleaning the floors, furniture, etc. with that. IMO - maybe rugs or clothing!
To me, that would be clothes or bedding, especially if it was powdered. It wouldn't be used on furniture, carpeting, or car upholstery.

[nursebeeme]

Thanks, WindChime!

Philamena, I wasn't fast enough to bring over the photo you posted from the newsobserver, but could you repost it here..please? I was trying to figure out what the object were they were carrying out. One looked possibly like a pillow and the tall one may be a lamp. Thanks!!

not another lamp.... wow... seems these guys are learning from one another. That rumor of blunt force trauma as cod may be verified soon... so sad....

[swimmom]

To me, that would be clothes or bedding, especially if it was powdered. It wouldn't be used on furniture, carpeting, or car upholstery.

Did they say it was powdered rather than liquid?

[nursebeeme]

:bananalama:Oh...where are my manners...thank you windchime!

[panthera]

not another lamp.... wow... seems these guys are learning from one another. That rumor of blunt force trauma as cod may be verified soon... so sad....
They might be learning from each other but they're not getting any better at outsmarting LE or forensics. Some just haven't got caught yet, but someday!

[panthera]

Did they say it was powdered rather than liquid?
No ~ I was just saying if it was powdered it would be harder to use to spot clean than liquid. :) Also even using liquid detergent on some furniture fabrics and car upholstery could make it worse by leaving a noticeable "ring".

[nursebeeme]

If he was buying laundry detergent with bleach then I suspect he wouldn't be cleaning the floors, furniture, etc. with that. IMO - maybe rugs or clothing!

Yeah swimmom! And think about the thought process......bread, milk, BLEACH. uMMMMMM....yeah.... And this is the breadwinner who works all day and he is out at the store at 4am or 6am for that matter! I want to see his honey~do list.. I mean men don't just go...bread, milk, BLEACH or even laundry soap for that matter...anytime of the day.

If I have offended any men I am really sorry and also would love to purchase some of your dna so I can give my own husband some gene therapy! LOL

[Busylady]

On this slide show towards the end is a man jogging and it shows the place where Nancy was found. He could of easily driven right up to it and rolled her into the water without having to walk very far at all.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

[cheko1]

Thanks WindChime.:)


Hi my dearest friend Petra!!!!!! :blowkiss:
Hope all is well in your part of the world! :Banane35:

[headndownstream]

I was wondering if they were carrying a sweeper or carpet steamer in one of those bags?

[nursebeeme]

They might be learning from each other but they're not getting any better at outsmarting LE or forensics. Some just haven't got caught yet, but someday!

amen! I am waiting on Drewpy Peterson to drop! :python:

[petra]

posted by rasincharlie--thread #3

From this blog entry - it appears he was planning on making the Lake Placid event:

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/i...d=32&Itemid=53

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Thanks RC,
I noticed something in this blog about a diappointment for not being able to attend a competition in 2007.:

Disappointment - No attempt at Ironman Louisville 2007 http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/pdf_button.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=48) http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/printButton.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=42) http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/templates/rhuk_solarflare_ii/images/emailButton.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=48) Written by Brad Sunday, 26 August 2007 After a more time consuming MBA course load over the summer, I decided not to attempt Ironman Louisville. It was my first IM race that I signed up for and did not complete. It's not something that I am planning to every repeat. Bound for higher expectations at Ironman Lake Placid 2008.

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Last Updated ( Thursday, 10 January 2008

The lake placid competition is set for 20 july-this saturday-one week since Nancy went missing. Just thinking outloud.
If there was possibly a reason, BC was not able to atttend, he may have been extremely angry about this.
Leading to possible rage.

*sorry about this font situation, I have no idea why this is so.

[Knoxx]

I was wondering if they were carrying a sweeper or carpet steamer in one of those bags?

headndownstream, my thought was, its an upright vacume or rug cleaner!!

[nursebeeme]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6267674

most likely sos but it is a new article... off to read it

[petra]

Hi my dearest friend Petra!!!!!! :blowkiss:
Hope all is well in your part of the world! :Banane35:

Hey checko--some of those nasty psychos from WI seem to have moved to the east coast. What is up with that?
All is well here-morning sun is coming up and the birds are chirping.
I am assigned back to homebase after months in some pretty wild hotspots. What a sick world!!! :mad: Makes me want to stay on the couch and watch cartoons all day!!

[Tridavis]

So she goes to the party Fri. Night, and I bet he sits and home and does some drinking and she does the same at the party, get home and a fight starts. It gets out of hand and boom she is dead. Now drunken husband panics and starts thinking of what to do. 1.Clean up scene, damn no bleach!! Goes and gets some. 2.Story! Let's see, she was out running early this am and never came back....sounds good. 3.Need to get her dressed and dump her somehwhere where there will be no one around. 4.End of the road by the pond, that he has surely run by, at some point, being a triathlete. 5. Get home clean himself up and go to bed (wow if he really went to bed after that what a psycho).

Now the police find the body.....let's see Columbo says look at they way the shoes are tied, if it is backwards, someone else did the tying. Blood work up....if she was out jogging her lactic acid levels would be elevated as well as endorphines (which is really why we all run anyway). If this is the case, he is screwed!! Surely being an athlete himself he should have known these things. He does have a masters degree.

My 2 pennies...........

[SeriouslySearching]

headndownstream, my thought was, its an upright vacume or rug cleaner!!I believe it is too tall to be either one of those items. If you can imagine it standing beside the officer, it looks to be 5-6 ft. tall. I think it is more along the lines of a lamp.

[panthera]

On this slide show towards the end is a man jogging and it shows the place where Nancy was found. He could of easily driven right up to it and rolled her into the water without having to walk very far at all.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html
I just looked at all of the photos and I agree, someone could've just driven up and not gone far off the road to dump her. While it seems most likely she was dumped at night, it's also risky since everything would be completely dark there except the headlights of the car which would draw attention to it. Maybe she was dumped just before dawn? I also noticed only one vehicle in the photos and heard there were two so where's the other one she usually drove? It looks like they're checking the SUV in the driveway for dirt or something else from the area she was found. He had plenty of time though to clean the car first before she was even reported missing.

[petra]

On this slide show towards the end is a man jogging and it shows the place where Nancy was found. He could of easily driven right up to it and rolled her into the water without having to walk very far at all.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

Thanks for the link.
Such heartbreak.
Think it is photo#33. You're right, an easy drive up.
I keep reading pond in some places. But wasn't it just a run off of some water, possibly a couple of inches deep?

[close_enough]

Thanks, WindChime!

Philamena, I wasn't fast enough to bring over the photo you posted from the newsobserver, but could you repost it here..please? I was trying to figure out what the object were they were carrying out. One looked possibly like a pillow and the tall one may be a lamp. Thanks!!

i was thinking lamp also, OR fireplace equipment, maybe?

[Magister]

I mean men don't just go...bread, milk, BLEACH or even laundry soap for that matter...anytime of the day.

If I have offended any men I am really sorry and also would love to purchase some of your dna so I can give my own husband some gene therapy! LOL

I'd give you some of my DNA, but I don't think it'd work. Old dog; New tricks and all that.

Signed;
Dude who has shopped that Harris-Teeter because it's open at 4AM.

[close_enough]

If he was buying laundry detergent with bleach then I suspect he wouldn't be cleaning the floors, furniture, etc. with that. IMO - maybe rugs or clothing!

tarheel posted that the local station where he/she is, said "cleaning supplies"...could have been detergent, along with a bottle of bleach?....course the media could have been wrong on the "supplies" & maybe it was just one cleaning product....

eta...but i think you're right though...laundry detergent could very well have been used for rugs, bedding, clothing, etc....

[cheko1]

Hey checko--some of those nasty psychos from WI seem to have moved to the east coast. What is up with that?
All is well here-morning sun is coming up and the birds are chirping.
I am assigned back to homebase after months in some pretty wild hotspots. What a sick world!!! :mad: Makes me want to stay on the couch and watch cartoons all day!!

Yes it is a sick world! Wi physcos are still at it, YIKES! Middle of the state Wis Rapids so still along ways from me!

When you can finally get some R&R you come here! LOL

I think LE will name Brad as a suspect real soon in this case. I am so heartsick for the little girls. To have to grow up without there Mom is awful.

[cheko1]

So she goes to the party Fri. Night, and I bet he sits and home and does some drinking and she does the same at the party, get home and a fight starts. It gets out of hand and boom she is dead. Now drunken husband panics and starts thinking of what to do. 1.Clean up scene, damn no bleach!! Goes and gets some. 2.Story! Let's see, she was out running early this am and never came back....sounds good. 3.Need to get her dressed and dump her somehwhere where there will be no one around. 4.End of the road by the pond, that he has surely run by, at some point, being a triathlete. 5. Get home clean himself up and go to bed (wow if he really went to bed after that what a psycho).

Now the police find the body.....let's see Columbo says look at they way the shoes are tied, if it is backwards, someone else did the tying. Blood work up....if she was out jogging her lactic acid levels would be elevated as well as endorphines (which is really why we all run anyway). If this is the case, he is screwed!! Surely being an athlete himself he should have known these things. He does have a masters degree.

My 2 pennies...........

Welcome to WS Tridavis!
Also welcome to the other new posters here too!

[close_enough]

Greta is reporting on the case now....fox news channel

[MoonFlwr]

I'd give you some of my DNA, but I don't think it'd work. Old dog; New tricks and all that.

Signed;
Dude who has shopped that Harris-Teeter because it's open at 4AM.

lol! My partner loves to go shopping at ALL hours, too! ;)

[allboys]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.

[nursebeeme]

I'd give you some of my DNA, but I don't think it'd work. Old dog; New tricks and all that.

Signed;
Dude who has shopped that Harris-Teeter because it's open at 4AM.
LOL...do you go to harry teeter (what we call it) at 4am to grocery shop?

[panthera]

Greta on now and she went directly to Amanda Lamb to ask about Brad having an affair and him out buying detergent/bleach, and she says no one can get any confirmation from LE.

[headndownstream]

I went to another website to get a large view of thepicture, carrying out the bags. Panthera is right that bag doesn't have anything real heavy in it. It looks like the top is not sealed. Since I'm new here, I missed others ideas of what could have been in it. Maybe broom? mop? I read something earlier about a shovel too. I guess some are wondering if it's a shovel.

[nursebeeme]

:Welcome-12-june:magister and any other newbies I have missed!

[luckyme]

[quote=Tridavis;2387833]So she goes to the party Fri. Night, and I bet he sits and home and does some drinking and she does the same at the party, get home and a fight starts. It gets out of hand and boom she is dead. Now drunken husband panics and starts thinking of what to do. 1.Clean up scene, damn no bleach!! Goes and gets some. 2.Story! Let's see, she was out running early this am and never came back....sounds good. 3.Need to get her dressed and dump her somehwhere where there will be no one around. 4.End of the road by the pond, that he has surely run by, at some point, being a triathlete. 5. Get home clean himself up and go to bed (wow if he really went to bed after that what a psycho).

Now the police find the body.....let's see Columbo says look at they way the shoes are tied, if it is backwards, someone else did the tying. Blood work up....if she was out jogging her lactic acid levels would be elevated as well as endorphines (which is really why we all run anyway). If this is the case, he is screwed!! Surely being an athlete himself he should have known these things. He does have a masters degree.

My 2 pennies...........[/quote

WOW! your onto something!

[close_enough]

Amanda Lamb.....the info about the bleach being purchased at 4 am, has come through several sources.....as of now, it's rumor since LE hasn't commented on it though.....

Jessica Adams is on now....Adams says she called LE around 1 pm....Adams opted to call LE....i think she got very bad vibes from her conversation with Brad...that's what i got out of it

Brad did not go to the block party - (i think we already figured that out though)

Nancy never mentioned she was afraid of Brad or anyone else, per Ms Adams....

hope i got this info correct....

[panthera]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.
Welcome! :seeya: I'm about 2-1/2 hrs. from you, so I appreciate you being so close to where Nancy lived. I totally agree about the red flags, especially him not being concerned where she was that morning when she supposedly failed to come home after leaving with no purse, ID, or cell phone. It never crossed his mind where she could be? Or was it because he already knew? I can't see him as that much "Mr. Mom" to work all week, be home taking care of the kids Friday evening until midnight while she's at a party, and then so complacent about being "stuck" with them all Saturday. Like you said, if for no other reason, where is she so he could go do something he wanted to and let her take care of the kids!

[concernedperson]

Greta on now and she went directly to Amanda Lamb to ask about Brad having an affair and him out buying detergent/bleach, and she says no one can get any confirmation from LE.

No confirmation is sometimes as good as confirmation. It is beyond weird that he is shopping at 4 AM. Not these upper suburb type people...on a weekend? Divorce or not why in the heck get up early on a weekend after doing this all week? Nope, not buying this as something he would do regularly or even on occasion or has ever done before.

[Busylady]

The going to the store doesnt seem odd to me, because I do it quite frequently. My day usually starts at 5:00am and especially when kids were little I loved being in Walmart at 5 am doing shopping, not busy, didnt have to take the kids, could get so much done in a short time frame. Now that kids are older been many a times I will get a wild hair in the middle of the night and want to bake or do a special project and have to run to the store to get supplies etc.

I agree it does look strange in this situation, and if it wasnt a normal routine for this family it makes it even more strange.

[close_enough]

I went to another website to get a large view of thepicture, carrying out the bags. Panthera is right that bag doesn't have anything real heavy in it. It looks like the top is not sealed. Since I'm new here, I missed others ideas of what could have been in it. Maybe broom? mop? I read something earlier about a shovel too. I guess some are wondering if it's a shovel.

yeah!....i hadn't thought of brooms/mops....

[panthera]

Amanda Lamb.....the info about the bleach being purchased at 4 am, has come through several sources.....as of now, it's rumor since LE hasn't commented on it though.....

Jessica Adams is on now....Adams says she called LE around 1 pm....Adams opted to call LE....i think she got very bad vibes from her conversation with Brad...that's what i got out of it

Brad did not go to the block party - (i think we already figured that out though)

Nancy never mentioned she was afraid of Brad or anyone else, per Ms Adams....

hope i got this info correct....
I heard the same thing and I'm kind of surprised by the last part ~ I was sure Nancy would've confided in her friend to give the friend a reason to call LE immediately. Just saying it was out of character for Nancy doesn't seem to make it so urgent. I still think she might know something but maybe doesn't want to share with the media?

[nursebeeme]

Amanda Lamb.....the info about the bleach being purchased at 4 am, has come through several sources.....as of now, it's rumor since LE hasn't commented on it though.....

Jessica Adams is on now....Adams says she called LE around 1 pm....Adams opted to call LE....i think she got very bad vibes from her conversation with Brad...that's what i got out of it

Brad did not go to the block party - (i think we already figured that out though)

Nancy never mentioned she was afraid of Brad or anyone else, per Ms Adams....

hope i got this info correct....

Bold was by mean. Close, very good observation. I had wondered if perhaps she had been afraid of him. However, with all of the triathlon training and adultry it was more likely those factors in terms of marital strain IMHO.

As I said before, my hubby does ironmans and it puts a tremendous strain on even the strongest relationships. The time it takes to train is unbelievable (add cheating to the mix and I cannot imagine what Nancy had been going through). I will add, however, that ironman training time is:eek: nothing compared to living through the three deployments we have been through in our 15 years in the military

[panthera]

No confirmation is sometimes as good as confirmation. It is beyond weird that he is shopping at 4 AM. Not these upper suburb type people...on a weekend? Divorce or not why in the heck get up early on a weekend after doing this all week? Nope, not buying this as something he would do regularly or even on occasion or has ever done before.
I agree. He's the one who went to work everyday, has just spent the night before home with the kids (we assume) while she was out partying until midnight, and at 4am he's up going out for detergent? I could've bought the bread/milk at 6am story, since that would be for the kids breakfast, but not soap. Laundry would be her chore, not his, imo. So if he was out 'shopping' I only see it for something to cover up a crime scene. MOO :)

[CyberPro]

Yeah swimmom! And think about the thought process......bread, milk, BLEACH. uMMMMMM....yeah.... And this is the breadwinner who works all day and he is out at the store at 4am or 6am for that matter! I want to see his honey~do list.. I mean men don't just go...bread, milk, BLEACH or even laundry soap for that matter...anytime of the day.

If I have offended any men I am really sorry and also would love to purchase some of your dna so I can give my own husband some gene therapy! LOL

NB,

If you are unfamiliar with my previous posts, I will just cut to the chase by saying that I am an IT professional. I only bring this up because I would willingly pay a visit to a store at 4AM, probably have in fact, but not for detergent, unless I needed some. See, I cannot speak for anyone in the Cooper family, and I am not sure if IT people develop this out of habit or not, but I am a nite owl. This fits in with the IT realm, because a lot of work is either done after normal hours, so systems are not down during normal business, or things just take a long time to fix. I have worked over 38 hours straight on one project, and if the system is down unexpectedly, you pretty much have to work on it as long as you can keep going, or until it comes back up.

This, plus my normal circadian tendancies, and something of an occasional obsession with a video game or two, and I have stayed up until the wee hours of the morning more times than I can count. It seems that my "normal" bedtime is about 1 to 2 AM these days, and it has been later than 4AM. When I am in that mode, I have been known to grocery shop at 3. I am married, and strangely enough, my wife is much more of a morning person. I also do the majority of the grocery shopping.

CyberPro

[Aimee729]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19645868126


Excerpt:

"Investigators were back at the Cooper home Wednesday evening. They took inside several empty boxes.

Investigators have not named a suspect or a person of interest in the 34-year-old mother of two's death, and getting search warrants for forensic evidence of spouses of murder victims are a routine procedure.

"As you know, an investigation is as important for ruling things out as it is for ruling things in," Bazemore said. Brad Cooper has been cooperative with investigators and has previously allowed police to search the house, Bazemore said.

"We have not done a detailed search. The search warrant allows us to do a detailed search of the home and vehicles," she said. "That would include forensic evidence." Forensic evidence could include hair, saliva and blood samples, as well as an examination for marks, scratches or other injuries.

Bazemore said Brad Cooper has also admitted that the couple was having marital difficulties and said Tuesday that information would be part of the investigation.She declined to comment further about the case, including a cause of death, saying the investigation is ongoing.

"We have talked to a lot of people, and we will continue to talk to people. As we get information, we will investigate every detail we are provided," Bazemore said Wednesday. The moment that we announced this was a murder, it was important that we secured the home as a possible crimes scene," Bazemore said.

Brad Cooper is staying with friends and taking care of his two children, Bazemore said. He was at a news conference Monday evening with his wife's family and was expected to be at 1 p.m. Tuesday but did not show.

He wasn't in attendance Wednesday, either.

"He's been given an open invitation as the rest of the family has. I do not know why he's not here," Bazemore said.


:newbie:
I found websleuths on Google :google: .:)

[nursebeeme]

The going to the store doesnt seem odd to me, because I do it quite frequently. My day usually starts at 5:00am and especially when kids were little I loved being in Walmart at 5 am doing shopping, not busy, didnt have to take the kids, could get so much done in a short time frame. Now that kids are older been many a times I will get a wild hair in the middle of the night and want to bake or do a special project and have to run to the store to get supplies etc.

I agree it does look strange in this situation, and if it wasnt a normal routine for this family it makes it even more strange.

I agree that it is not strange....for a woman... but for a man?

[close_enough]

headndownstream, my thought was, its an upright vacume or rug cleaner!!

another good thought, hmmmm

[Blink34]

Amanda Lamb.....the info about the bleach being purchased at 4 am, has come through several sources.....as of now, it's rumor since LE hasn't commented on it though.....

Jessica Adams is on now....Adams says she called LE around 1 pm....Adams opted to call LE....i think she got very bad vibes from her conversation with Brad...that's what i got out of it

Brad did not go to the block party - (i think we already figured that out though)

Nancy never mentioned she was afraid of Brad or anyone else, per Ms Adams....

hope i got this info correct....

OK this is driving me nuts, for once and for all- did he buy bleach or laundry detergent CONTAINING bleach, or one of each??

[nursebeeme]

NB,

If you are unfamiliar with my previous posts, I will just cut to the chase by saying that I am an IT professional. I only bring this up because I would willingly pay a visit to a store at 4AM, probably have in fact, but not for detergent, unless I needed some. See, I cannot speak for anyone in the Cooper family, and I am not sure if IT people develop this out of habit or not, but I am a nite owl. This fits in with the IT realm, because a lot of work is either done after normal hours, so systems are not down during normal business, or things just take a long time to fix. I have worked over 38 hours straight on one project, and if the system is down unexpectedly, you pretty much have to work on it as long as you can keep going, or until it comes back up.

This, plus my normal circadian tendancies, and something of an occasional obsession with a video game or two, and I have stayed up until the wee hours of the morning more times than I can count. It seems that my "normal" bedtime is about 1 to 2 AM these days, and it has been later than 4AM. When I am in that mode, I have been known to grocery shop at 3. I am married, and strangely enough, my wife is much more of a morning person. I also do the majority of the grocery shopping.

CyberPro
I am a night person too...of the female variety....open heart nurse working 7p-7a.

Thanks for that perspective on IT folks...duh...I should have figured that.

Okay...so we will give BC that. He could well be a nightowl and grocery shopped when he couldn't sleep. I cannot argue at all with that. The proof will be in the pudding...if he cleaned the house with the cleaners he allegedly purchased. They will be able to tell...just like they did with Scott Peterson.

[MoonFlwr]

OK this is driving me nuts, for once and for all- did he buy bleach or laundry detergent CONTAINING bleach, or one of each??

The original poster who posted about Brad going to the store, did not even know which one for sure....so, as far as I can tell, nobody does, as it hasn't been reported on yet. :waitasec:

[close_enough]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.

don't be sorry..it IS wild to think about, allboys.....& welcome to WS:)

[momto3kids]

The bag is solid on both ends that is being carried out of the home. I am wondering if this is a custom window valance. The length looks to also could be perfect for a double window. This is my guess.

[nursebeeme]

:smiliescale:Welcome Aimee and allboys

[lorelei]

The original poster who posted about Brad going to the store, did not even know which one for sure....so, as far as I can tell, nobody does, as it hasn't been reported on yet. :waitasec:

I think that she knows someone who works at the store actually, but she didn't post what specific store it was.
If I remember correctly the person said it was 'detergent with bleach'.

edit- I think it was a later post where she got the specific info on which product it was. The original post wasn't as clear I think.
edited again- for security stuff sorry, didn't know it was removed.

[nursebeeme]

Howdy Momto3,
Blink was wondering what exactly was alleged (if alleged and exactly can be used in the same sentence lol) purchased at the store...powder or liquid? I cannot remember what you had initially posted. TIA

[close_enough]

No confirmation is sometimes as good as confirmation. It is beyond weird that he is shopping at 4 AM. Not these upper suburb type people...on a weekend? Divorce or not why in the heck get up early on a weekend after doing this all week? Nope, not buying this as something he would do regularly or even on occasion or has ever done before.

not buying it either....unless there are employees at the HT that's seen him on occasion stopping in at wee hours of the morning...jmo

[Blink34]

I am reposting this as I posted it very shortly before Windchime kindly started a new thread for us

Quote:
Originally Posted by wherego http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2387285#post2387285)
You said....

By the way, if I was ever in need of a fair Jury...I would hope it was filled with WSers! They look at every piece of evidence and do weigh all the options. They are intelligent and very thorough at what they do.

I respectfully have to disagree with that, from what I have seen here in the past 3 days from the vast majority of posters, they found Brad Cooper guilty long before Nancy's body was even found. They will not even begin to look at any other evidence if there was any. I feel they look at some really crazy things as evidence. They look at him getting a lawyer as evidence. If LE was searching my home, my cars, my body for DNA, I would be getting a lawyer to, and I about guarantee that you would also, even though you or I were 100% innocent. Also, his not attending Press Confrences-I don't see this as a sign of guilt either. He owes nothing to the public as long as he is co-operating with police. I think this depends on the individual some peole are just more private than others.

Let me say I am not defending him, the evidence does seem to be stacking up against him, but if you are not looking in any other direction for eveidence it would. What I am tyrying to say about jurors, is that they could not have the closed mind I have found here.


Blink responded:

Wherego-
First I commend you for welcoming Reanne, and Welcome Reanne as well.
At the risk of sounding defensive, I AM a regular poster and this is the second thread for this case. I was wondering if you took the time to read the first one? I mention this because I have been on this for days and with very few exceptions, I see diligent, honest, well-intentioned and damn intuitive WS'rs. You would have to check with Tricia or a MOD, but I have to think this case has brought a firestorm of new posters and some of the best local perspectives I have seen in my short tenure here. I think I counted 5 new posters commenting on how welcome they felt, and how much information they got from here.

I found Reanne's post very articulate and relevant, however, for me, well after a bulk of evidence is already known, and for that which is not, I personally do my best not to speculate. I am folllowing and contributing to a dialog that is based on known facts, evidence, intuition and extensive experience. Nevertheless, I left at 11am today, there were 2 pages to this thread, there are 16 as I am typing this, but because I care about the integrity of what I post, and respect what others have, I read every one before posting so I can best contribute productively on this thread.

The last I checked this was NOT a Voir Dire, therefore calling out people's potential bias's- real or perceived, imo, is inappropriate.

[cheko1]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.


Welcome to WS allboys!
When a case hits that close to home you almost do a double take of any & everything you've did in the last year! It turely is very scarey.

I also hope they make an arrest very soon...

[MoonFlwr]

Not reposting the original post, as that poster had some security concerns. Just reposting a part of her sentence.

"The video has Brad buying detergent with detergent (corrected by M later) and/or bleach actually purchased at 4am."

Was there another, later post? (This was the first one).

[close_enough]

I think that her child works at the store actually, but she didn't post what specific store it was.
If I remember correctly the kid said it was 'detergent with bleach'.

edit- I think it was a later post where she got the specific info on which product it was. The original post wasn't as clear I think.

here's the quote.....if you click on Mom's name, it will bring you back to WS...

http://www.bluelineradio.com/news714.html

i think it's post #186, first thread, page 8 here......?
something along the lines of detergent w/bleach, .... the way i took it maybe he actually bought a bottle of detergent & a bottle of bleach???

[buttabsy]

We live in Cary less than a mile from the Coopers. Overall, Cary shuts down about 10pm. My hubby is one of the night owl group here in Cary and I can say that this is a LARGE group. I've gotten up to check on him a few times and am amazed at how many lights are on around the neighborhood. He makes those middle of the night runs to HT and is usually amused at how many folks are in there at odd hours in the middle of the night (even run into friends). While Brad's purchases were questionable, the timing isn't so questionable from our experience.

[panthera]

I am a night person too...of the female variety....open heart nurse working 7p-7a.

Thanks for that perspective on IT folks...duh...I should have figured that.

Okay...so we will give BC that. He could well be a nightowl and grocery shopped when he couldn't sleep. I cannot argue at all with that. The proof will be in the pudding...if he cleaned the house with the cleaners he allegedly purchased. They will be able to tell...just like they did with Scott Peterson.
I'll give him that benefit of doubt too, if it's his normal thing to do. But since it was most likely the night his wife was murdered ~ I can't put my mind around this happening while she was out jogging and LE being so sure it's an isolated incident ~ it just seems very coincidental to say the least that he supposedly bought something used for cleaning. :)

[Blink34]

here's the quote.....if you click on Mom's name, it will bring you back to WS...

http://www.bluelineradio.com/news714.html

i think it's post #186, first thread, page 8......?

LOL, thanks Close, for all:

It was either both or detergent with bleach or bleach. The clarification is there is no clarification. As the media keeps quoting bleach, I wonder if that's the giveaway?

[SuziQ]

We have to remember the difference in what Brad told LE and what the tape showed. If this was a usually activity and purchase he would have had no reason to lie about it, IMO. As far as we know, he lied about the time and what he purchased.

[luckyme]

The original poster who posted about Brad going to the store, did not even know which one for sure....so, as far as I can tell, nobody does, as it hasn't been reported on yet. :waitasec:

It was reported on ABC11 that it was hariss teeter! I wouldnt tell everyone which store either! The reporters already know! JMO

[MoonFlwr]

It was reported on ABC11 that it was hariss teeter! I wouldnt tell everyone which store either! The reporters already know! JMO

...didn't know...which one....bleach or detergent or both!

[buttabsy]

Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.

[SuziQ]

...didn't know...which one....bleach or detergent or both!

I think the point is he bought cleaning products at 4am. But told LE he bought milk and bread at 6am.

[CyberPro]

All,

A few more observations....

I am not sure it is all that unusual for BC to have several blogs and other on-line outlets. I can see that happening. I happen to not have any blogs at all, nor do I read any regularly, but that is just me. IT folks seem to become adept at multi-tasking, it is the nature of the beast, and this might not have that much family information in it because he has this focused on the IM training, etc. This would possibly mean that it was not meant to convey all of the aspects of his life, just the part that pertains to the IM stuff. Yes, I know, it also talks about the MBA, etc, but it is linked in with additional time to train, so it fits. This is kind of compartmentalization. Not making excuses for him, but I work really long hours at times, and am married with 2 kids. In spite of all of this, I recently completed a degree in IT (on-line) and am about to begin another one in a couple of months. I KNOW that I would never have been able to do it without the support of my Wife, and some sacrifices of time spent with my kids. Seems that he could have mentioned it, at least in passing.

I agree, it is completely possible that BC is innocent. In fact, I am sure we all understand that in the eyes of the law, he IS innocent, until and unless he is proven guilty, or confesses. We are making as much of the complete picture as we can given the puzzle pieces we have, and without the benefit of a picture on the box for guidance. Nevertheless, there is a statement that I understand is taught to some medical students. "When you hear the sound of hoofbeats, think of horses, not Zebras" This means that there are all kinds of POSSIBLE situations, but you should carefully consider the plausible ones. If someone shows up for treatment with a runny nose, it could be a lot of different things, but a cold is among the most likely ones. I actually consider the location where the body was found to help his situation. It was a sub-division that was under development, and not very well known yet. The cul-de-sac where the body was found was short, and does not appear to have much construction nearby. This COULD indicate that the area was known, and since it was a short road, I do not think it all that likely that BC was familiar with it due to running. This could point to a construction worker who was familiar with the area due to working on a project there. I still think BC is the most likely suspect, but this does introduce an element of doubt that is important to note.

A great deal has been made about waiting so long to call cops, etc. Depending upon the situation, I am not sure it was as important as that. Now, if my wife was running, and I expected to have her back in a couple of hours, I would likely be looking for her myself and calling hospitals if she was not back in an hour or so after I expected her. If she was driving, it would be a while before I became seriously concerned.

In fact, there was a case in Cary some years ago that I felt cast a lot of suspicion on the Husband because he called the police too quickly. AFIK, it remains unsolved, but I believe it likely that the woman left of her own accord. They found her car in the mall parking lot, and he called after she had only been gone an hour or so. I mean, come on! If I knew my wife was at the mall, I might not have reported her missing for several days!:crazy:

As I understand it, NC was very careful about notifying friends if she would be late. She was apparently very punctual, and this caused concern on the part of her friend. And yes, it should have been a point of concern on the part of her husband, especially if her car was still in the area. Yes, she was training for a half marathon, but she had been gone long enough to have completed two full marathons!

In an earlier post, I mentioned the amount of money that was at stake in a divorce for this couple. I was in a bit of a hurry when I posted it, and thinking back, this seems to suggest that I think he did it for the money. IF he had anything to do with it, I would think it was a result of an argument, built up stresses, things getting out of hand very quickly etc. While the financial toll would have likely been on his mind, I do not think it was planned.

BTW, WRAL normally posts the results of an autopsy report on their website if the case is getting a lot of attention. I suspect that will happen with this case, unless the records are sealed for a while, such as happened with the Eve Carson case.

Scratches on his arms caused by fingernails vs. briers? I grew up in the country, and I know that thorns/briers/brambles make very narrow, fading scratches on your arms and legs, I suspect that fingernails would make deeper, longer, more pronounced and wider scratches. But, since I was out this past weekend, I would not have chosen to wear long sleeves and pants, unless I had to... too dang hot!

CyberPro

[cheko1]

So many newbies here! I hope I haven't missed welcoming you all!!!!!

Aimee & CyberPro Welcome to WS !!!!!!:Welcome-12-june:

[close_enough]

On this slide show towards the end is a man jogging and it shows the place where Nancy was found. He could of easily driven right up to it and rolled her into the water without having to walk very far at all.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1142714.html

thanks for the slideshow, BL...i hadn't seen most of these.....

[SeriouslySearching]

Not reposting the original post, as that poster had some security concerns. Just reposting a part of her sentence.

"The video has Brad buying detergent with detergent (corrected by M later) and/or bleach actually purchased at 4am."

Was there another, later post? (This was the first one).I added that sidenote about her correction. I can go back and find it, if I need to. But IIRC (if I recall correctly)...she had intitially left out the word detergent.

[MoonFlwr]

I think the point is he bought cleaning products at 4am. But told LE he bought milk and bread at 6am.

Allegedly.

[close_enough]

LOL, thanks Close, for all:

It was either both or detergent with bleach or bleach. The clarification is there is no clarification. As the media keeps quoting bleach, I wonder if that's the giveaway?

it could be, Blink....

eta...& you're very welcome

[panthera]

Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.
Just a quick question, but isn't his family in Canada too? I agree with your post, though and do find it interesting this "best friend's" husband was heading the search. It was reported though that Brad has been 'devastated' ~ maybe he was just too overcome to search?? :sick:

[luckyme]

Allegedly.

Yep moonflwr. Its allegedly. Im still looking for the link from ABC11. I will find it shortly i think its on the other thread! JMO

[jilly]

So she goes to the party Fri. Night, and I bet he sits and home and does some drinking and she does the same at the party, get home and a fight starts. It gets out of hand and boom she is dead. Now drunken husband panics and starts thinking of what to do. 1.Clean up scene, damn no bleach!! Goes and gets some. 2.Story! Let's see, she was out running early this am and never came back....sounds good. 3.Need to get her dressed and dump her somehwhere where there will be no one around. 4.End of the road by the pond, that he has surely run by, at some point, being a triathlete. 5. Get home clean himself up and go to bed (wow if he really went to bed after that what a psycho).

Now the police find the body.....let's see Columbo says look at they way the shoes are tied, if it is backwards, someone else did the tying. Blood work up....if she was out jogging her lactic acid levels would be elevated as well as endorphines (which is really why we all run anyway). If this is the case, he is screwed!! Surely being an athlete himself he should have known these things. He does have a masters degree.

My 2 pennies...........

Wow! I had no idea about lactic acid levels and endorphines - I only ran to lose weight!:crazy: Thanks for your input and welcome!

[SeriouslySearching]

Cyberpro~ Welcome to WS! Very interesting perspective from the IT point of view. Thanks!

I don't think it is unusual to go to the store in the middle of night for some people. People also work shift work and do their shopping at odd hours.

It does seem unusual for a person to go to the store and buy any type of cleaning product at that hour without buying other normal things for the home such as toilet paper and paper towels which you would expect to be on the "grocery list". Even more unusual is to then to have their wife found to be missing. 2 + 2 = 4. Speaking of 4, if he also told LE that it was two hours later when he went on his "shopping spree"...he has a huge problem with his timeline.

[SuziQ]

Allegedly.


Maybe someone can help out? Didn't the location get reported by a station? I would safely assume that Brad did in fact go to the store. And LE isn't denying it and they've addressed other rumors. If this is one, why not just say this is a rumor as well?

[Tia]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.

You make an EXCELLENT point about the kids! You are SO RIGHT! Marital problems or not, I know my husband would be anxious to be "off duty" and would be wondering where I was.

On the other hand, maybe, if they were having marital problems, it was his day with the kids so he wasn't expecting to be relieved of his duties until a certain time. It is possible (though I doubt it) that during this difficult time in their marriage, they worked on shifts ie: she had so many hours of "free time" then she took over and he was "off" so to speak. So maybe he wouldn't have been concerned until the designated time when his shift was over and she didn't show up.

BUT, according to friends, she drove to the spot where she jogs so that kind of blows the second scenario out of the water. If he knew her routine, and he didn't do it, seeing her car in the driveway should have tipped him off.

[allboys]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. Although, now my husband thinks I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.

[luckyme]

Maybe someone can help out? Didn't the location get reported by a station? I would safely assume that Brad did in fact go to the store. And LE isn't denying it and they've addressed other rumors. If this is one, why not just say this is a rumor as well?

Because they said no comment! which tells you its there! she looked very suprised when asked the question. jmo jmo jmo

[jilly]

I live right next to Cary, and this whole case has just hit a little too close to home...in many ways. Nancy was a member at my gym, she was my age, she ran outdoors, she's a sahm etc. My heart is very saddened by all of this. I have read all of the posts (back to the first thread), and find that I can't stop. I'm glad that I found this site.

So weird...my husband just stopped at the store on the way home this evening to get something for my son and I greeted him with, "You just went to the store where Brad Cooper got his cleaning supplies." Makes my stomach hurt.

I am convinced that he did it, and have been from the beginning. First 2 give- aways...that he said that she went running with a friend (and didn't), and that he hadn't called anyone with concern when she didn't return as planned. I know my husband would be looking for me (marital problems or not), just to get some help with the kids!

It is just so eery to think about how close this all took place. Did Brad run next to me on a treadmill? Did I look in a killer's eyes? Sorry to be so dramatic, but this is still so fresh. My neighbor's daughter was in preschool with Bella. She only knew Nancy in a casual greeting exchange kind of way. She joined in on the search over the weekend.

Just wanted to thank you all for the insight, and opinions you have offered. I hope that they make an arrest very soon, and I hope the girls are safe.

Welcome allboys! I can understand how this must be affecting you. I, myself got a funny feeling just because I used to live in Edmonton and am familiar with Sherwood Park where Nancy is from and my daughter went to the U of Calgary. This pales in comparison to your circumstances but I know what you mean!

[MoonFlwr]

Maybe someone can help out? Didn't the location get reported by a station? I would safely assume that Brad did in fact go to the store. And LE isn't denying it and they've addressed other rumors. If this is one, why not just say this is a rumor as well?

None of my posts have been to do with the location of the store OR whether or not Brad went to the store.

My posts have been about what was stated in the original post on WS about this.
The poster said that she knows Brad was taped on videotape buying things at the store at 4 am. (She knows a store-worker, but I am not repeating how she knows the worker as she has expressed some concerns about that, since she posted it).

The question I and a few others asked when this was first mentioned on here, was, "How do we know what Brad told LE?"
That is still my question.
(Nothing to do with the location of the store!)

[tarheelfan78]

IMO .... If BC did buy cleaning solution just because they were out, wouldn't that be something that would still be in the house. Maybe that is one of the things the investigator s would be trying to locate in the house. Also judging from the shock on Bazemore's face when the Canadian reporter mention the 4am trip and the bleach maybe they knew about it and did not want BC to know that they knew.
Just speculating..... and trying to avoid writing a paper

[SuziQ]

Because they said no comment! which tells you its there! she looked very suprised when asked the question. jmo jmo jmo

IIRC, Taxi posted that while the Chief/Captain was doing that in the second presser, Nancy's dad was knodding yes?

[close_enough]

Maybe someone can help out? Didn't the location get reported by a station? I would safely assume that Brad did in fact go to the store. And LE isn't denying it and they've addressed other rumors. If this is one, why not just say this is a rumor as well?

not sure, but i don't think so....one was listed a little over a mile away, & i can't, for the life of me, remember the address that was posted....

[CyberPro]

I think the point is he bought cleaning products at 4am. But told LE he bought milk and bread at 6am.

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :eek::waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended :))

CyberPro

[panthera]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. Although, now my husband thinks I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.
I can't figure out why they kill in the first place, let alone why not admit to it. But another thing I can't figure out, is why just dump her body in the open and not attempt to bury it so she wouldn't be found, or at least not right away? It seems the only reason Drew Peterson hasn't been arrested for Stacy's murder is because she hasn't been found, so following along those lines, it doesn't make sense to leave her as she was found. Obviously since he was at home (unlike Jason Young) he couldn't leave her at the house and claim an intruder did it, so there really wasn't much choice, assuming he killed her, but to dispose of her somewhere else.

[Blink34]

Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.

Welcome Buttabsy-
Regarding the rumor Mill- you say that her best friend's husband organized the search, and BC was having an affair with this woman- Is it your opinion from the chat that the hubby is/was unaware?

Am I wrong or did I read in my sleep deprived delirium that a search warrant was executed on said woman's home and cell phone records- who is she, if it is not sealed, it's public record.

[Aimee729]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. Although, now my husband thinks I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.

I think it's like the little boy who broke the lamp- maybe some kids would confess their "accident", while others would "hide the evidence" to try and shirk the blame. I think he murdered her in the heat of the moment then freaked-and having watched too many crime shows on TV, made up an elaborate story and tried to cover his tracks. Remember O.J.? :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Because they said no comment! which tells you its there! she looked very suprised when asked the question. jmo jmo jmoIf you watch really close...you can see the Chief literally gulp. If it was an unsubstantiated rumor...as they said on NG earlier..."We don't know anything about that." would be the normal response and would have been an indicator. When she said they could not confirm or deny it and mentioned the ongoing investigation...it says to me that she does know.

[SuziQ]

None of my posts have been to do with the location of the store OR whether or not Brad went to the store.

My posts have been about what was stated in the original post on WS about this.
The poster said that she knows Brad was taped on videotape buying things at the store at 4 am. (She knows a store-worker, but I am not repeating how she knows the worker as she has expressed some concerns about that, since she posted it).

The question I and a few others asked when this was first mentioned on here, was, "How do we know what Brad told LE?"
That is still my question.
(Nothing to do with the location of the store!)

I apologize for the misunderstanding then. I must have missed that question? I remember it asked days ago, but I didn't know you were asking it tonight.

[Blink34]

I can't figure out why they kill in the first place, let alone why not admit to it. But another thing I can't figure out, is why just dump her body in the open and not attempt to bury it so she wouldn't be found, or at least not right away? It seems the only reason Drew Peterson hasn't been arrested for Stacy's murder is because she hasn't been found, so following along those lines, it doesn't make sense to leave her as she was found. Obviously since he was at home (unlike Jason Young) he couldn't leave her at the house and claim an intruder did it, so there really wasn't much choice, assuming he killed her, but to dispose of her somewhere else.

No time. Spent the time on cleaning up the house and car as he had his story worked out. Judgement call or a narcissist, imo.

[MoonFlwr]

I can't figure out why they kill in the first place, let alone why not admit to it. But another thing I can't figure out, is why just dump her body in the open and not attempt to bury it so she wouldn't be found, or at least not right away? It seems the only reason Drew Peterson hasn't been arrested for Stacy's murder is because she hasn't been found, so following along those lines, it doesn't make sense to leave her as she was found. Obviously since he was at home (unlike Jason Young) he couldn't leave her at the house and claim an intruder did it, so there really wasn't much choice, assuming he killed her, but to dispose of her somewhere else.


Good question! :) (Why dump the body in the open).

[Blink34]

I apologize for the misunderstanding then. I must have missed that question? I remember it asked days ago, but I didn't know you were asking it tonight.

The first time I read that to my best recollection was from M3 post. I think what is not clear is whether LE confronted him and he admitted the trip, or if he offered it due to his concern he was either seen or the cams, my guess.

[Blink34]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :eek::waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended :))

CyberPro

Hey, a Funny IT Guy- good for you!!
Kidding, but to clarify, he was at the store at 4am without his children who were home alone and as LE suspected from the tape, the fact that he would do that is huge, that and why lie about the time?

[SuziQ]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :eek::waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended :))

CyberPro

Thanks for the laugh about the sandwich. :) Everything you said is true. But sometimes guilty people act suspicious.

[Blink34]

Thanks for the laugh about the sandwich. :) Everything you said is true. But sometimes guilty people act suspicious.

Occar's Razor, absolutely.

[allboys]

I think it's like the little boy who broke the lamp- maybe some kids would confess their "accident", while others would "hide the evidence" to try and shirk the blame. I think he murdered her in the heat of the moment then freaked-and having watched too many crime shows on TV, made up an elaborate story and tried to cover his tracks. Remember O.J.? :confused:


Yes, I think you're right. Unfortunately, I think all of the crime shows are "teaching" criminals how to cover their tracks a little better, and mistakes to avoid etc. Pretty scary. I guess if you are crazy enough to strike out at your wife, you aren't the type of person who would call the police...even if it would have been the better decision with hindsight.

[panthera]

Good question! :) (Why dump the body in the open).
:doh: It just dawned on me when I read your post ~ decomposition! For those of us who followed Jessie Davis' murder, again bleach came into the picture, and some speculated it could've been put on her to hasten decomposition. Putting the body out in the open, in the hot sun, maybe he was trying to destroy evidence, but Nancy was found sooner than he thought she would be. :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome Buttabsy-
Regarding the rumor Mill- you say that her best friend's husband organized the search, and BC was having an affair with this woman- Is it your opinion from the chat that the hubby is/was unaware?

Am I wrong or did I read in my sleep deprived delirium that a search warrant was executed on said woman's home and cell phone records- who is she, if it is not sealed, it's public record.I could be mistaken, but isn't her best friend/marathon training partner the Adam woman who called 911? There was an article which mentioned her husband (which I quoted on the thread for finding materials for children) and his name is Brett Adam. I know it would be wrong to assume...but I will anyway...that he is the one who headed up the search. If I were a betting person...which I am...I believe he has even posted here a few times. It didn't sound to me as if either one of those were that involved with Brad, if you know what I mean.

The rumor mill mentioned that the alleged affair was over the past year or so and it seemed to indicate they were friends before...but no longer. Also, that she took time off to sort things out possibly and came home to tell him that she was finished with the marriage because she did know about the affair. She wouldn't be making plans to paint or run with a woman she knew destroyed life as she knew it, imo.

Brett Adam and other Cooper friends said they were dealing with how to explain the situation to their own children. Adam said that when he told his preschool-age son that Cooper was lost, the child asked, "Why doesn't she just turn around and come back?"

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/cri...y/1142058.html

[close_enough]

I dunno what the possible problems could be with this. Bleach, Bread, Milk... I get those confused all the time :eek::waitasec: no wonder my sandwiches taste funny....

IIRC, [DELETED/CENSORED BY POSTER DUE TO SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE PART OF THE ORIGINAL POSTER] and the purchase was a single item at approximately 4AM, not bread and milk at 6AM. Two hour time difference, and a huge difference in the items. Hard to explain that, if it is true. Now, thinking back on the movie "Rear Window" when the detective tells Jimmy Stewart that he is spending a lot of time looking at the private lives of people, and if you think back on it, you might be aware that you have done suspicious looking things, even when they were innocent. I remember thinking after the Jeffrey Dahmer case that it would probably seem strange to his neighbors hearing a power saw running after midnight... then some months afterward realizing that I was running MY power saw in my garage about 2AM. Suspicious actions alone do not prove guilt, but the LE would not be doing a good job if they did not look into this. I can see how BC might have room to wiggle some, but I am not sure about 2 hours worth by claiming confusion about the time of the trip to the store because he was distraught about his missing wife, but confusing detergent with bread? That is harder to swallow (pun intended :))

CyberPro

i agree...huge difference in the timing, & the items.....

i love the movie Rear Window...grace kelly & jimmy stewart; just classic..

[Fairy1]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. Although, now my husband thinks I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.

Welcome Allboys! Truly, those of us who are not narcisistic psychos simply cannot put ourselves into the minds of these guys. If Brad killed her, I sincerely doubt he ever once thought of his children - before, during or after. The ego is a HUGE part of their thought process and that is exactly what does them in! He likely never considered that there would be a surveillance camera wherever he did his late night/early morning shopping. Mistake #1. Well-known affair - mistake #2. Scratches on his arms=DNA under her nails - mistake #3. In his own mind, he is smarter than everyone else. Of course, that is not so.

[Blink34]

I could be mistaken, but isn't her best friend/marathon training partner the Adams woman who called 911? There was an article which mentioned her husband (which I quoted on the thread for finding materials for children) and his name is Brett Adams. I know it would be wrong to assume...but I will anyway...that he is the one who headed up the search. If I were a betting person...which I am...I believe he has even posted here a few times. It didn't sound to me as if either one of those were that involved with Brad, if you know what I mean.

The rumor mill mentioned that the alleged affair was over the past year or so and it seemed to indicate they were friends before...but no longer. Also, that she took time off to sort things out possibly and came home to tell him that she was finished with the marriage because she did know about the affair. She wouldn't be making plans to paint or run with a woman she knew destroyed life as she knew it, imo.

Exactly why I was looking for more info, I want to stay ahead of what is possible gossip, and protect our local perspectives as well.
Was there a warrant executed on a Cary woman suspected of involvement with Brad?

[SeriouslySearching]

I have not heard that.

[RR0004]

I am reposting this as I posted it very shortly before Windchime kindly started a new thread for us

Quote:
Originally Posted by wherego http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2387285#post2387285)
You said....

By the way, if I was ever in need of a fair Jury...I would hope it was filled with WSers! They look at every piece of evidence and do weigh all the options. They are intelligent and very thorough at what they do.

I respectfully have to disagree with that, from what I have seen here in the past 3 days from the vast majority of posters, they found Brad Cooper guilty long before Nancy's body was even found. They will not even begin to look at any other evidence if there was any. I feel they look at some really crazy things as evidence. They look at him getting a lawyer as evidence. If LE was searching my home, my cars, my body for DNA, I would be getting a lawyer to, and I about guarantee that you would also, even though you or I were 100% innocent. Also, his not attending Press Confrences-I don't see this as a sign of guilt either. He owes nothing to the public as long as he is co-operating with police. I think this depends on the individual some peole are just more private than others.

Let me say I am not defending him, the evidence does seem to be stacking up against him, but if you are not looking in any other direction for eveidence it would. What I am tyrying to say about jurors, is that they could not have the closed mind I have found here.


Blink responded:

Wherego-
First I commend you for welcoming Reanne, and Welcome Reanne as well.
At the risk of sounding defensive, I AM a regular poster and this is the second thread for this case. I was wondering if you took the time to read the first one? I mention this because I have been on this for days and with very few exceptions, I see diligent, honest, well-intentioned and damn intuitive WS'rs. You would have to check with Tricia or a MOD, but I have to think this case has brought a firestorm of new posters and some of the best local perspectives I have seen in my short tenure here. I think I counted 5 new posters commenting on how welcome they felt, and how much information they got from here.

I found Reanne's post very articulate and relevant, however, for me, well after a bulk of evidence is already known, and for that which is not, I personally do my best not to speculate. I am folllowing and contributing to a dialog that is based on known facts, evidence, intuition and extensive experience. Nevertheless, I left at 11am today, there were 2 pages to this thread, there are 16 as I am typing this, but because I care about the integrity of what I post, and respect what others have, I read every one before posting so I can best contribute productively on this thread.

The last I checked this was NOT a Voir Dire, therefore calling out people's potential bias's- real or perceived, imo, is inappropriate.
You're right, Blink...just not cool.

OT- Hope vacay was great...and restful!

[Blink34]

:doh: It just dawned on me when I read your post ~ decomposition! For those of us who followed Jessie Davis' murder, again bleach came into the picture, and some speculated it could've been put on her to hasten decomposition. Putting the body out in the open, in the hot sun, maybe he was trying to destroy evidence, but Nancy was found sooner than he thought she would be. :eek:

I truly think if that was his goal he would have put her in the water or the "thicket" which is exactly that according to the aerial video. The water in that retaining pond was enough to conceal her, imo. I think he panicked, did the best he could given the timeline and was fighting the sunrise.

[buttabsy]

"Regarding the rumor Mill- you say that her best friend's husband organized the search, and BC was having an affair with this woman- Is it your opinion from the chat that the hubby is/was unaware?

Am I wrong or did I read in my sleep deprived delirium that a search warrant was executed on said woman's home and cell phone records- who is she, if it is not sealed, it's public record."

There weren't any facts in the conversation, just folks throwing out what they heard during the day. Someone heard RUMOR that the affair might have been with the best friend. It is fact though that her best friend's husband organized the search. I guess BC was too beside himself to think to do that??? (or was home CLEANING)

I haven't heard anything about a warrant on another woman's home & cell phone records. That sure would be interesting!!!

I'll just be so happy when the police share some info. They tell us we can go about life as usual but until I know for certain that this REALLY is an isolated case I'm not heading out to run by myself. Most of all my heart just goes out to those two little girls. Their lives will NEVER be the same no matter what the outcome.

[Blink34]

I have not heard that.
Going to rub my magic lamp for answers to these and other questions and check last thread :)

[close_enough]

Welcome Allboys! Truly, those of us who are not narcisistic psychos simply cannot put ourselves into the minds of these guys. If Brad killed her, I sincerely doubt he ever once thought of his children - before, during or after. The ego is a HUGE part of their thought process and that is exactly what does them in! He likely never considered that there would be a surveillance camera wherever he did his late night/early morning shopping. Mistake #1. Well-known affair - mistake #2. Scratches on his arms=DNA under her nails - mistake #3. In his own mind, he is smarter than everyone else. Of course, that is not so.

great point, Fairy....

[RR0004]

Hey, a Funny IT Guy- good for you!!
Kidding, but to clarify, he was at the store at 4am without his children who were home alone and as LE suspected from the tape, the fact that he would do that is huge, that and why lie about the time?
Ah...but according to HIM his wife was home asleep, I'm sure!

[panthera]

I truly think if that was his goal he would have put her in the water or the "thicket" which is exactly that according to the aerial video. The water in that retaining pond was enough to conceal her, imo. I think he panicked, did the best he could given the timeline and was fighting the sunrise.
I'm thinking he was rushed too & afraid of being seen. Maybe because of it getting light outside, or maybe spooked by noises or if he was there like before 4am, fear of getting caught as a vehicle with headlights would be very noticeable in a dark area.

[jilly]

Blink responded:

Wherego-
First I commend you for welcoming Reanne, and Welcome Reanne as well.
At the risk of sounding defensive, I AM a regular poster and this is the second thread for this case. I was wondering if you took the time to read the first one? I mention this because I have been on this for days and with very few exceptions, I see diligent, honest, well-intentioned and damn intuitive WS'rs. You would have to check with Tricia or a MOD, but I have to think this case has brought a firestorm of new posters and some of the best local perspectives I have seen in my short tenure here. I think I counted 5 new posters commenting on how welcome they felt, and how much information they got from here.

I found Reanne's post very articulate and relevant, however, for me, well after a bulk of evidence is already known, and for that which is not, I personally do my best not to speculate. I am folllowing and contributing to a dialog that is based on known facts, evidence, intuition and extensive experience. Nevertheless, I left at 11am today, there were 2 pages to this thread, there are 16 as I am typing this, but because I care about the integrity of what I post, and respect what others have, I read every one before posting so I can best contribute productively on this thread.

The last I checked this was NOT a Voir Dire, therefore calling out people's potential bias's- real or perceived, imo, is inappropriate.

I'm glad you brought this over Blink because I was about to after :read:all the posts here. Excellent post!:clap:

[close_enough]

Exactly why I was looking for more info, I want to stay ahead of what is possible gossip, and protect our local perspectives as well.
Was there a warrant executed on a Cary woman suspected of involvement with Brad?

haven't heard of one yet, but i know at one point there was a search warrant for a computer, from the "mistress" of Jason Young....(the man that killed his wife, Michelle Young....imo)

it's possible we'll hear of something similar with this case...if there's a mistress...

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah...but according to HIM his wife was home asleep, I'm sure!:thumb:

[angarella]

haven't heard of one yet, but i know at one point there was a search warrant for a computer, from the "mistress" of Jason Young....(the man that killed his wife, Michelle Young....imo)

it's possible we'll hear of something similar with this case...if there's a mistress...


Howdy CE!!! :blowkiss:

Finally made it through to the fourth thread here. My biggest question right now is what time Nancy came home from the party. To the best of my recollection, it was stated "sometime" after midnight. Do we know for sure what time? Maybe I just missed it. I really want to know the answer to that question. :waitasec:

[MoonFlwr]

:doh: It just dawned on me when I read your post ~ decomposition! For those of us who followed Jessie Davis' murder, again bleach came into the picture, and some speculated it could've been put on her to hasten decomposition. Putting the body out in the open, in the hot sun, maybe he was trying to destroy evidence, but Nancy was found sooner than he thought she would be. :eek:

Wow! Yeah, I had forgotten about that, too, panthera!

[jilly]

So here's the thing I just don't get with these guys...assuming that Brad did kill his wife, and assuming it was NOT premeditated. Instead of removing the body, why not call the police, explain that there was an argument...some rage...an accident. (Even if it was accidentally striking her with a heavy object). Wouldn't he rather admit his wrong doing, have a lesser sentence for involuntary manslaughter, than put up this front for the press and family/friends, only to be put in jail for life anyway?????? I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but I just wonder why they always opt for hiding the body?
I'm sure he wasn't thinking clearly...but still, think of your daughters!!! I also really wonder if they heard anything. I'm assuming the 4 year old has been interviewed by police. Sorry for the ramble. I guess its just hard to understand a psycho, when you aren't one. :laugh::laugh:Although, now my husband think I am, because I'm newly obsessed with this site.

Cracked me right up!:floorlaugh:
In response to your post - I would guess that one's first reaction out of fear would be to deny the whole thing. If and when he's charged and sees the evidence he may have the opportunity to cop a plea.

[panthera]

Wow! Yeah, I had forgotten about that, too, panthera!
I think it came to me finally after reading the word "bleach" so many times! :)

[close_enough]

Howdy CE!!! :blowkiss:

Finally made it through to the fourth thread here. My biggest question right now is what time Nancy came home from the party. To the best of my recollection, it was stated "sometime" after midnight. Do we know for sure what time? Maybe I just missed it. I really want to know the answer to that question. :waitasec:

"a little after midnight" is when she left the party.......

& a :blowkiss: to you too, girl!

eta....this is what i had heard from a reporter on Greta's show the other night...

[SeriouslySearching]

OK so where are we? Search Warrants have been served on Brad's home, cars, and person now. Where will LE go next? What is their next move? Brad's office? His gym?

As Cyberpro mentioned, Brad has the ability to leave no evidence on his computers at home...so his office would probably be bust, too. So what is left to search? His cell phones and other communication devices?

[Coolmomof4]

If you watch really close...you can see the Chief literally gulp. If it was an unsubstantiated rumor...as they said on NG earlier..."We don't know anything about that." would be the normal response and would have been an indicator. When she said they could not confirm or deny it and mentioned the ongoing investigation...it says to me that she does know.


I saw that too. The way she reacted when listening to that questions compared to the others was telling.

[jilly]

Yes, I think you're right. Unfortunately, I think all of the crime shows are "teaching" criminals how to cover their tracks a little better, and mistakes to avoid etc. Pretty scary. I guess if you are crazy enough to strike out at your wife, you aren't the type of person who would call the police...even if it would have been the better decision with hindsight.

Not only that but everytime we have a trial more info gets exposed like cell phone pings and towers etc.

[panthera]

OK so where are we? Search Warrants have been served on Brad's home, cars, and person now. Where will LE go next? What is their next move? Brad's office? His gym?
I think it all depends what they found in the house and if there's any evidence in or on the SUV. Meanwhile, it's late so I'll say goodnight and hoping we hear more updates at the news conference in the morning! :seeya:

[close_enough]

i'm getting sleepy...must get sleep (zombie face inserted)....my eyes are crossing, i've read so much today.....

:seeya:

[Tia]

OK so where are we? Search Warrants have been served on Brad's home, cars, and person now. Where will LE go next? What is their next move? Brad's office? His gym?

As Cyberpro mentioned, Brad has the ability to leave no evidence on his computers at home...so his office would probably be bust, too. So what is left to search? His cell phones and other communication devices?

The girlfriend?

[philamena]

Thanks, WindChime!

Philamena, I wasn't fast enough to bring over the photo you posted from the newsobserver, but could you repost it here..please? I was trying to figure out what the object were they were carrying out. One looked possibly like a pillow and the tall one may be a lamp. Thanks!!


On my way SeriouslySearching. :blowkiss:

[nursebeeme]

Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.

Very interesting butta. When you say the best friend's husband led the search are you refering to Adams? Because, as I recall, it was alleged that Adams was not the friend he cheated with. I just wondered as i have not noted a name given for the 'former best friend' and wondered if you had any additional insight on that.

What you said about Canada...spot on imhoo. I had actually posted earlier that I bet LE had people watching him due to being a huge flight risk to Canada.

It all kind of fits into premed (not convinced but it sure smells hinky). If he is the killer, he left the body posed and out in the open instead of hiding it after formulating an intricate plan. He did not want a separation and would not leave the home. He was the last one to see Nancy and the one who provided her clothing details (unless that was deducted by le having him check the closet to see what clothes were missing). He did not lead the search. He was wearing long sleeves in super hot weather. He only showed to one pressor. He was cheating on his wife..allegedly multiple times. He went to the store at 4am and allegedly bought cleaner than lied to LE about the timing. It may not seem like a lot of solid stuff but it is gestault, baby. The sum of all the pieces is bigger than the whole. Again...IMOO...

[philamena]

http://media.newsobserver.com/smedia/2008/07/16/17/261-COOPER1.embedded.prod_affiliate.3.JPGhttp://www.newsobserver.com/100/story/1143263.html



A City-County Bureau of Investigation agent (left) and a Cary police investigator remove large bags of items from the home of Brad and Nancy Cooper at 104 Walsburg Court in Cary on Wednesday afternoon.

[jilly]

i'm getting sleepy...must get sleep (zombie face inserted)....my eyes are crossing, i've read so much today.....

:seeya:

Nite close!:bedtime:

[citygirl]

I think it all depends what they found in the house and if there's any evidence in or on the SUV. Meanwhile, it's late so I'll say goodnight and hoping we hear more updates at the news conference in the morning! :seeya:

If there is any truth to the rumor posted earlier of blunt force trauma to the head, my guess would be it wouldn't take long for an arrest in this case. He may have been smarter leaving her in the house and saying HE went for a run early in the morning.

[Blink34]

I'm thinking he was rushed too & afraid of being seen. Maybe because of it getting light outside, or maybe spooked by noises or if he was there like before 4am, fear of getting caught as a vehicle with headlights would be very noticeable in a dark area.

I think you covered them all. Even if he is a murderer, remember- in panic mode, even for the smartest of people, the ability to focus and get everything right after such a heinous event is extremely impaired.

"..90% of murders that lack an eyewitness, confession, or immediately available direct physicl evidence, are solved by the unsubs post-offense behavior..."

-John Douglas, Former Head of Beavioral Science Unit and Pioneer of Criminal Profiling, FBI.

[CyberPro]

I am not LE, nor an ET, but I have read a lot of crime related books and so forth. I know that IT folks, or any folks who troubleshoot things for a living, or design things are trained in logical thoughts. IF BC was PLANNING this, I think he would have been better prepared for disposal efforts, etc. I think that even if he gave it his best shot, he would have overlooked something, because he would not be likely to understand all of the evidence that can be gathered during a Postmortem, and would not understand how small pieces of evidence would not be completely eliminated from the house, or other location. Even if he was very careful, he could have missed dozens of things. Unless, as I have read here and some other places on the net, his narcissistic/superior side was telling him that he was a smart/educated person, and would be dealing with some hayseed cops who would take his story at face value, pat him on the head and start chasing shadows.

If the perp, whoever it was, wanted decomposition or a delay in finding the body, it seems to me that putting it in the water would be best. It would help destroy trace evidence, and might delay the discovery for a while. The water does not look deep, and the body would probably float, but it would have helped get rid of some of the trace. On top of that, it might seem more plausible that a stranger would dump in the water...

In the slide show on the news and observer page, it looks like the CCBI is giving the SUV a very careful look... I guess they do not suspect that the body was levitated to the discovery point.

I am not sure though, after the Durham case of Mike Peterson, there were some who disagreed with the guilty verdict in the case, and were making the argument that the wounds on the victim's head could be consistent with those made during an owl attack! Ok, I saw the autopsy report on that, and I can see how the wound patterns COULD have been caused by an attacking owl. Owls do sometimes attack people, but this happened inside her house, on a narrow staircase. Still, let us consider the possibility of an owl attack. Did we find any evidence that an owl had been in the house? (no), any feathers? (no) Did anyone see an owl? (no) OTOH, luminol did find evidence that a large amount of blood on the kitchen floor had been cleaned before the arrival of the PD and EMS.... so, let me see, the invisible owl attacked her inside her house, while her husband sat by the pool outside. The husband did not hear any screams, or see an owl, or hear any noise while his wife fell down the stairs. Then the owl cleaned up his feathers, cleaned up some of the blood, and slipped out of the house, leaving the husband to discover the body a short while later.... right? OK, now I know that owls are supposed to be wise, but this thing had to be darn near a genius! To kill the lady of the house and frame the husband at the same time! WOW!

Remember, "When you hear the sound of hoofbeats, think of horses, not Zebras."

CyberPro

[nursebeeme]

IMO .... If BC did buy cleaning solution just because they were out, wouldn't that be something that would still be in the house. Maybe that is one of the things the investigator s would be trying to locate in the house. Also judging from the shock on Bazemore's face when the Canadian reporter mention the 4am trip and the bleach maybe they knew about it and did not want BC to know that they knew.
Just speculating..... and trying to avoid writing a paper

That's it! Three slaps with the dead fish for paper~procrastination LOL:trout::trout::trout: