View Full Version : Maricopa Jane Doe Thread #6
nicknjessesmom
08-01-2008, 06:44 PM
I think I have a Milwaukee address for KTL. Don't know if it's current or not, but I'm pretty sure it's him. His month/year of birth is on it too, do we have KL's birth date?
fmw63
08-01-2008, 06:50 PM
That is a black purse in the front seat. Where did it go to? I am sure Lindsey had her purse with her! I also noticed the hand prints on the roof of the car. I wonder if Alonzo isn't in the picture with all of the detectives that is blurry??
Probably Lindsey's. She said "ALL" of her things were in the car when it was impounded.
Alonzo? Nope. Those were all police. I blurred their faces.
KTL's birthdate is August 9th, 1972. It's been said that his mother still lives back in Milwaukee, WI, and I've found eviction cases in the WI court systems from him as well. At the moment I believe his current address is still one of the Maricopa County detention jails as he's going through the charges of pimping underage girls and bringing them from WI.
I think I have a Milwaukee address for KTL. Don't know if it's current or not, but I'm pretty sure it's him. His month/year of birth is on it too, do we have KL's birth date?
nicknjessesmom
08-01-2008, 07:09 PM
KTL's birthdate is August 9th, 1972. It's been said that his mother still lives back in Milwaukee, WI, and I've found eviction cases in the WI court systems from him as well. At the moment I believe his current address is still one of the Maricopa County detention jails as he's going through the charges of pimping underage girls and bringing them from WI.
It's him. I also have two phone numbers and addresses for LDJ in Spokane. Can we do anything with this info?
They might be the same addresses that came up before, but nobody wanted to or didn't know how to attempt contact with LDJ. Someone made contact with a Lindsey Dejong on myspace, which was soon deleted (the myspace page) after she was sent a message asking if it was her. I don't think we were ever sure whether or not that page was infact our LDJ's.
Teresa Larson
08-02-2008, 04:49 AM
They might be the same addresses that came up before, but nobody wanted to or didn't know how to attempt contact with LDJ. Someone made contact with a Lindsey Dejong on myspace, which was soon deleted (the myspace page) after she was sent a message asking if it was her. I don't think we were ever sure whether or not that page was infact our LDJ's.
The Lindsey on myspace was not the correct one She was too old to be the Lindsey we are looking for. The address for KL in Wisconsin is NOT current He is in Towers Jail in AZ. He had numerous charges in Wisconsin and still has a warrant for his arrest on a traffic charge. He has been in AZ for quite awhile. I found his mother's address and phone number a long time ago in Wisconsin...not that it makes a difference as to who MJD is.
Teresa Larson
08-02-2008, 04:51 AM
KTL's birthdate is August 9th, 1972. It's been said that his mother still lives back in Milwaukee, WI, and I've found eviction cases in the WI court systems from him as well. At the moment I believe his current address is still one of the Maricopa County detention jails as he's going through the charges of pimping underage girls and bringing them from WI.
Those charges of him bringing underage girls from Wisconsin were dropped a long time ago. He is facing LOTS of other charges right now though. :clap:
Were they? I had a hard time understanding some of the minutes when they keep saying 'dropped and refiled under such and such case #' etc.
I've still found more recent ones that still involve the 5 or so other women and thought they were involved in the whole prostitution thing with him.
Zanko
08-02-2008, 11:47 AM
I'm getting confused about which thread these should be posted to. Here is the latest update on the photo comparisons for all of the individuals that were compared and either ruled out or are still pending. One individual was added to the ruled out and another individual was moved from Pending to Not a Match. Here are all the links:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD2-1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD3.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD4.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z99/Zanko123/aaCompareMJD5.jpg
If anyone has any individuals that they would like me to add to the photo pages, PM me.
Zanko
08-02-2008, 12:02 PM
In the article posted in the media links thread, there is a photo of MJD and a photo of a skull. Is this MJD's skull? If so, we have a good image of her teeth. Does anyone know if this is her skull?
Zanko
08-02-2008, 12:07 PM
Sorry for the back to back postings. Does anyone have a copy of the Arizona Republic article from June of 2005 about MJD?
lorelei
08-02-2008, 12:39 PM
In the article posted in the media links thread, there is a photo of MJD and a photo of a skull. Is this MJD's skull? If so, we have a good image of her teeth. Does anyone know if this is her skull?
I think that is the skull of the 3-5 yr old girl that was found in 1979. In the article she's mentioned all the way at the bottom of the first page, below the first bit about MJD. I'm not sure if the link will work but she is case # 79-0583 on Maricopa website.
http://www.maricopa.gov/Medex/Unidentified/search.aspx?caseNum=79-0583
I haven't came across this one yet; the only ones I have are from the initial accident, and the recent one they did with Suzy Dodt in July of this year.
I'll go back and search the PhxLib online databases and see if I can get a hit now that I know another month/year to check out.
//edit
Do you know what this article was about? I mean.. the case itself, UIDs in general..? I'm having trouble with any keywords that might be in it. Even an author would help.
Sorry for the back to back postings. Does anyone have a copy of the Arizona Republic article from June of 2005 about MJD?
I found it - it's another article like the recent one. Give me a few minutes to read it and post some main points. PM me if you want the full thing.
Again, needed my library card to gain access to the full database. Still unsure whether these are ok to post in entirety or not.
The article is mainly about the launch of the UID MedEx site and other sites like it. The snippet of information posted about our MJD is stuff we already know, ie. the same stuff posted on every other website about her.
lorelei
08-02-2008, 01:26 PM
I'm pretty sure that article is a general article about the Maricopa MEs website for UID persons. MJD was listed in the sidebar- one of a few cases listed that are on the MEs site. Its just a paragraph or so about her with some general info about her & the case. Nothing we don't have already I don't think.
edit- I missed both Vasks posts there:) That is the same article.
I see the link doesn't work anymore in the Media Links section though, I guess its been moved to the paid archives on Arizona Republic website?
That's exactly what it was.
Zanko
08-02-2008, 04:10 PM
Did the Arizona Republic article say anything about where MJD was buried?
Not that I've found and I've searched from 1999 to present. She'd be in a government cemetary somewhere, but the only one I know of is White Tanks. I went there and snapped a few photos as a general idea of what it's like there, but the amount of bodies versus the heat out here wasn't a good combination to spend time looking at all the small markers for 'unidentified female - jan 27, 1999'.
Would Maricopa MedEX have record of what burial service she was released to, and would they even release that information to us?
Fairy1
08-02-2008, 05:26 PM
Gosh, I know this is wishful thinking BUT if we could find these girls, maybe we can find out if MJD was one of the girls that came with them............. I wonder if we put an ad in Milwaukee Craig's List and see if either of them come forward... Ya never know...
Hi Dee - sorry I'm trying to catch up here! IIRC - someone (Believe09 I think) did post something on the Milwaukee Craigslist. Doesn't look like anything came of that. However, it's totally logical to think KL could have picked her up nearly anywhere en route to Arizona. I feel very strongly that Lipsey is the key to determining MJD's identity. There is a reason his name came up when they were investigating this case originally. He's locked up there NOW - how hard can it be for the detective(s) drop in for a visit??? There's no guarantee he would say anything worthwhile, but they'll never know unless they speak to him! Considering his current position, he may be in the mood for a little chit-chat with LE.....:behindbar
youshouldveknown
08-02-2008, 06:04 PM
The Lindsey on myspace was not the correct one She was too old to be the Lindsey we are looking for.
To be fair, my myspace says I'm 97. And I change it periodically, back and forth. I don't like strangers knowing my age.
lorelei
08-02-2008, 06:49 PM
Not that I've found and I've searched from 1999 to present. She'd be in a government cemetary somewhere, but the only one I know of is White Tanks. I went there and snapped a few photos as a general idea of what it's like there, but the amount of bodies versus the heat out here wasn't a good combination to spend time looking at all the small markers for 'unidentified female - jan 27, 1999'.
Would Maricopa MedEX have record of what burial service she was released to, and would they even release that information to us?
I think the ME would know what cemetery she was taken to. From the New Times article it seems like she would probably be at White Tanks since that is where the other unidentified people in the article were buried. Since the ME released the cemetery name for those people I'd guess we could at least find out that much from them, but I'm not sure if they would/could tell us the exact location of her grave.
Maybe the Public Fiduciary office would be able to give us the specific info if the ME can't? That is the office that contracts with the funeral homes (I think its a rotating list not one specific funeral home), and arranges the burials/services for indigent and unidentified people. They should have all the records I think?
Even if they couldn't tell us the exact 'plot' of where she is, I'm assuming they somehow go in chronological order burial wise, but I wouldn't even quote myself on that one since I've seen 'fresh' looking plots in the middle of older ones (could've been an exhumation/re-burial though). The only issue with hunting there is that it's in the middle of a heavy desert area, and in Arizona the temps here get to about 100+ which is almost unbearable for long amounts of time. To top it off, they don't allow you to drive your personal vehicle through the lot like a regular cemetery so you have to explore the entire thing on foot.
Here's a link discussing burials for UIDs/poverty-stricken families at White Tanks:
http://cronkitezine.asu.edu/fall2007/whitetanks1.html
Also shown is a picture of one of the markers; now keep in mind they are ALL like that.. hundreds of them.
<snippet>
This is White Tanks Cemetery, the indigent burial site where Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s chain gangs bury more than 300 bodies a year. Since 1994, the site has received more than 2,984 bodies, including babies.
</snippet>
lorelei
08-02-2008, 09:17 PM
That looks like it would be really really difficult to find a particular plot, especially in the desert heat trying to look at each of those little markers.
I did a little searching online, it looks like it is actually the Maricopa County Facilities Management Department who handles the burials and keeps the records.
The public fiduciary office seems to work more with the families of the deceased to determine if they're eligible for indigent burial and then they would send the info to the Facilities Management who arrange the burial and have the inmates from Maricopa jails perform the actual burial I guess.
So I guess if not the Maricopa medical examiners office, then the Facilities Management dept. may be able to give us the info?
Teresa Larson
08-02-2008, 09:37 PM
To be fair, my myspace says I'm 97. And I change it periodically, back and forth. I don't like strangers knowing my age.
She had her birth date listed and somebody did e-mail and ask her a few questions but she said she was sorry she wasn't the girl we were looking for. :rolleyes:
youshouldveknown
08-03-2008, 02:02 AM
somebody did e-mail and ask her a few questions but she said she was sorry she wasn't the girl we were looking for.
Then that would be an appropriate answer for the myspace not being accurate.
Although personally, I could definitely imagine LDJ denying she was the same girl. It's most likely something she wants to avoid at all costs, and I can't say I blame her.
Makes me wonder though if they know about these threads at all. On certain google searches pertaining to this case, the first like 5 hits are on this site alone.
christine2448
08-03-2008, 02:49 AM
Makes me wonder though if they know about these threads at all. On certain google searches pertaining to this case, the first like 5 hits are on this site alone.
:D :D :D:woohoo:
I took a look at the newer photos that FMW posted in his photobucket for MJD.. I'm curious to know what Dollar Bill is (business card in the console photo). I ran Dollar Bill as an alias through Arizona's inmate search and none of the hits came up as related to this case. Google is impossible too.. I keep coming up with treasury links. lol
I'm thinking it might have been ADF's pimp card if he was in fact a pimp. He seems to have a stack of them.. self promotion? He's also rolling around with a $100 bill next to it like it's no big deal. I don't know about you but that puppy would be in my wallet!
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I'm almost sure it's related to him somehow.. as a play on his own name. It's been said ADF's real name is William, and a lot of Williams get called Bill.
I found a "Dollar-Bill" in the search who's charge was child prostitution, but his offense date wasn't until August 2005.
If you put in just dollar into the last name slot on the search and check alias, you can mix/match your searches to see who all pops up.
http://test.azcorrections.gov/isearch/inmate_datasearch/index.aspx
Zanko
08-03-2008, 09:29 PM
I found a "Dollar-Bill" in the search who's charge was child prostitution, but his offense date wasn't until August 2005.
If you put in just dollar into the last name slot on the search and check alias, you can mix/match your searches to see who all pops up.
http://test.azcorrections.gov/isearch/inmate_datasearch/index.aspx
The quote on the card comes from a song by rapper DJ Quik from an album titled, "Safe and Sound/Murder Was the Case" soundtrack. (Movie?) The song is called "Dollaz + Sense". It refers to pimping.
Zanko
08-03-2008, 09:38 PM
Just a little more info about rapper DJ Quik. He belongs to the Bloods. I wonder if Mr. Alonzo has affiliations with the gang?
DJ Quik is from Compton California, The album that "Dollaz + Sense" was on was released in 1995. Disclaimer: Now I am not saying DJ Quik has anything to do with this case. Just interesting that someone would have the cards printed up with his lyrics on it. Since there would be trademark issues, most likely it is an amateur printing.
It would be interesting to find out who (in January 1999) owned the pager number listed.
Zanko
08-03-2008, 09:45 PM
OMG! William Walker "Dollar Bill" ??? AKA Alonzo D Fernandez
I'm having trouble distinguishing some of the numbers clearly because of the angle.. I can definitely make out 602 660 *4*7 though.
I've tried plugging in both 6026608457 and 6026608437 into a reverse lookup and both come up as being a cell # through Arch Wireless here in phoenix.
OMG! William Walker "Dollar Bill" ??? AKA Alonzo D Fernandez
Did you actually make a connection in print somewhere? Or did you find the same coincidence?
Zanko
08-03-2008, 10:02 PM
One of William Joseph Walker's alias names is Alonzo Decarlos Fernandez. We (here at WS) have not been certain that this is the same person. BUT I find it is extremely interesting that Alonzo would carry a card with the name "Dolar Bill" on it AND the police report has Lindsey refer to Alonzo as William (in her last interview prior to leaving for Washington). This has got to be more than coincidence!
Good catch on the card. I didn't even pay attention to it.
I remember you being the one posting the info. Does it give any of Willies addresses as being in Spokane, WA? I found an Arizona case for a William J Walker with a dob as 6/10/68 (one year off from our presumed William) and it lists his residence on the search screen as being in Spokane, WA.
Here's the case itself: http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/notification/casedetail.asp?cs_id=kceassmc&crt_name=Phoenix%20Municipal
Search William Walker @ http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publicaccess/notification/search.asp and it'll be within the 121-130 results (keep hitting next).
Fairy1
08-03-2008, 10:21 PM
One of William Joseph Walker's alias names is Alonzo Decarlos Fernandez. We (here at WS) have not been certain that this is the same person. BUT I find it is extremely interesting that Alonzo would carry a card with the name "Dolar Bill" on it AND the police report has Lindsey refer to Alonzo as William (in her last interview prior to leaving for Washington). This has got to be more than coincidence!
Good catch on the card. I didn't even pay attention to it.
Very interesting and yes - Lindsey did refer to him as William. IIRC - Alonzo had/has MANY AKA's and many offenses in the northwest - Washington and Oregon. Dollar Bill makes a lot of sense under the circumstances. Wonder where he is now????
Zanko
08-03-2008, 10:22 PM
The information I have says that William Joseph Walker was born on June 10, 1967. He has several convictions in Oregon. He is out of prison with community supervision listed as "high" risk. He is black, 5'11 and 205 lbs. Here are his court case numbers: 861136243/01, 880130628/01, C86113624, 000533779/01, CR9600808, SRA9600383.
I have no proof that William J. Walker is Alonzo D. Fernandez.
Beyond Belief
08-03-2008, 10:39 PM
If you didn't read the print on the white envelope next to red and blue one in
MJD99305 (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/) > MJD (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD/)
Hand written it says
Crossland Economy Studios
4861 W McDowell Rd, Phoenix, AZ 85035
http://www.hotelplanner.com/Hotels/34890/Reservations-Crossland-Phoenix-West-Phoenix-4861-West-Mcdowell-Rd-85035
Fairy1
08-03-2008, 10:43 PM
The information I have says that William Joseph Walker was born on June 10, 1967. He has several convictions in Oregon. He is out of prison with community supervision listed as "high" risk. He is black, 5'11 and 205 lbs. Here are his court case numbers: 861136243/01, 880130628/01, C86113624, 000533779/01, CR9600808, SRA9600383.
I have no proof that William J. Walker is Alonzo D. Fernandez.
I imagine this fellow to be much like dear Kelly Lipsey in that he hasn't become a fine, upstanding citizen in recent years. My guess would be that he's in the system somewhere.
I have always found it interesting that LDJ was able to simply contact her family for a plane ticket home after this incident. It seems logical to me that she left home with Alonzo - that he didn't just happen to find her in Phoenix. That's why I have found his apparent ties to the NW so plausible. I will try to find his rap sheet - or what we think is is rap sheet! - from several threads ago......
@BB: That was posted a few pages ago by Phenol I believe. Still trying to figure out what the return address says though. =/
Beyond Belief
08-03-2008, 10:55 PM
sorry, i can't see the return address, it doesnt look like writting going from left to right.
Sorry found the other picture with exposed address, will look at it
That oral b toothrush is filthy.
fmw63
08-03-2008, 11:10 PM
That oral b toothrush is filthy.
Hopefully it was just for cleaning the wheels.:eek:
ANWAY! I thought I had posted this already:confused:, but Alonzo is William Walker.
fmw63
08-03-2008, 11:19 PM
@BB: That was posted a few pages ago by Phenol I believe. Still trying to figure out what the return address says though. =/
Yeah, that one's tough. It looks a little like 99XX5. 99205 is a Spokane zip code.
Beyond Belief
08-03-2008, 11:20 PM
that address at the top might be s tucson bl, its the same zip as the address.
That would make sense. LDJ's parents maybe?
Yeah, that one's tough. It looks a little like 99XX5. 99205 is a Spokane zip code.
Teresa Larson
08-03-2008, 11:30 PM
Hopefully it was just for cleaning the wheels.:eek:
ANWAY! I thought I had posted this already:confused:, but Alonzo is William Walker.
How could it be the same person when the birth dates are so far off. I believe Alonzo is Hispanic not black. There is a warrant out for him. He is missing some place.
Good point. I think if a 20 year old showed up with a 50 year olds birthdate (or vice versa) LE would look at them sideways, and maybe upside down as well just for kicks (just using random ages for the example).
How could it be the same person when the birth dates are so far off. I believe Alonzo is Hispanic not black. There is a warrant out for him. He is missing some place.
Fairy1
08-03-2008, 11:49 PM
How could it be the same person when the birth dates are so far off. I believe Alonzo is Hispanic not black. There is a warrant out for him. He is missing some place.
He is not Hispanic - he is black.
Teresa Larson
08-03-2008, 11:50 PM
Alonzo's date of birth is 07/28/1972 according to the police report from when they arrested him after the incident involving MJD. I haven't ever heard of a black guy using an Hispanic alias name. LOL
Teresa Larson
08-03-2008, 11:51 PM
He is not Hispanic - he is black.
How do you know that???
Fairy1
08-03-2008, 11:52 PM
I imagine this fellow to be much like dear Kelly Lipsey in that he hasn't become a fine, upstanding citizen in recent years. My guess would be that he's in the system somewhere.
I have always found it interesting that LDJ was able to simply contact her family for a plane ticket home after this incident. It seems logical to me that she left home with Alonzo - that he didn't just happen to find her in Phoenix. That's why I have found his apparent ties to the NW so plausible. I will try to find his rap sheet - or what we think is is rap sheet! - from several threads ago......
Hate to quote myself - but I can't find Alonzo's rap sheet!
VASHLEY88
08-03-2008, 11:54 PM
Great progress guys!
I just saw that there was a letter in the photo on top of the bag and someone tried to "decode" what it said. Was that LDJ's letter or MJD's? Forgive me, I forget which one of you tried to figure out what the letter said, but it sounded poetic. And then there is talk about a DJ Qwik from the cards in Alonzo's car. Do you think it's possible that maybe MJD was told she could become a musician, and that letter was lyrics (if it is even MJDs)? I know that pimps will often say they are producers, or know producers and use it to boost confidence from girls with low self esteem. (They do the same with modeling and acting, etc). And maybe once Alonzo told her she was going to be a prostitute, not a musician she freaked out? Just thinking out of the box here since we have all this new info.. great work everyone!
Teresa Larson
08-03-2008, 11:57 PM
Hate to quote myself - but I can't find Alonzo's rap sheet!
I have never read any place that Alonzo is black so when ever you find it please let me know :-)
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 12:01 AM
I have never read any place that Alonzo is black so when ever you find it please let me know :-)
It's here....somewhere.
I guess you've never seen all the black mexicans either?
http://www.afromexico.com/
Alonzo's date of birth is 07/28/1972 according to the police report from when they arrested him after the incident involving MJD. I haven't ever heard of a black guy using an Hispanic alias name. LOL
lorelei
08-04-2008, 12:22 AM
I have never read any place that Alonzo is black so when ever you find it please let me know :-)
From Zanko on thread #4 (sorry I don't know how to link to the exact post, but its post 364 on page 15), this link may work ?http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2322659&highlight=black
"The Alonzo Decarlos Fernandez born July 28, 1972, charged with (and convicted of) Hit and Run/Death Injury in the Pinal County Superior Court under the Honorable Judge Janna L Vanderpool on May 17, 1999, is listed with Party Origin (race): Black."
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 12:23 AM
I guess you've never seen all the black mexicans either?
http://www.afromexico.com/
They must be Mexicans mixed with black.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 12:29 AM
They must be Mexicans mixed with black.
IIRC - he is either Puerto Rican or Brazilian. Either way, plenty of Latin Americans who are "black." He is not Mexican.
They originated back from the slavery days. Most of them are Africans who were born in Mexico.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Mexican
You don't have to have the 'blood' to be something. As long as you're born there you can claim it.
They must be Mexicans mixed with black.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 12:41 AM
Great progress guys!
I just saw that there was a letter in the photo on top of the bag and someone tried to "decode" what it said. Was that LDJ's letter or MJD's? Forgive me, I forget which one of you tried to figure out what the letter said, but it sounded poetic. And then there is talk about a DJ Qwik from the cards in Alonzo's car. Do you think it's possible that maybe MJD was told she could become a musician, and that letter was lyrics (if it is even MJDs)? I know that pimps will often say they are producers, or know producers and use it to boost confidence from girls with low self esteem. (They do the same with modeling and acting, etc). And maybe once Alonzo told her she was going to be a prostitute, not a musician she freaked out? Just thinking out of the box here since we have all this new info.. great work everyone!
Great point Vashley! I do not think MJD got into that car with the thought that she would be changing pimps. Alonzo had some kind of "hook" that he used and she fell for it. IMO - when she found out his true intentions, she freaked out and jumped. IMHO - she got into and out of that car for specific reasons!
youshouldveknown
08-04-2008, 12:45 AM
You don't have to have the 'blood' to be something. As long as you're born there you can claim it.
Ditto. A name is a name. I know plenty of Goldsteins who aren't jewish.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 12:54 AM
Ditto. A name is a name. I know plenty of Goldsteins who aren't jewish.
That's a good point However being Jewish isn't a nationality It is a religion :-)
Being Jewish by birth I'll vouch for that. lol Drives me nuts when people compare Judaism with nationalities. o_O No offense to you at all, youshouldveknown.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 01:02 AM
I am good friends with a Jewish guy He gave my the whole run down about Jewish people :-)
Hah, nice. I've been guilty of verbally owning someone when they tried to debate me on that issue. :rolleyes:
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 01:18 AM
We're getting off track here. Whatever his origins - Alonzo is "black" and so is Kelly Lipsey - that is why there's a question about who was seen arguing on the street that day.
youshouldveknown
08-04-2008, 01:18 AM
Hah, nice. I've been guilty of verbally owning someone when they tried to debate me on that issue. :rolleyes:
It's not the nationality vs. religion thing I'm getting at. It's the assumption about a name and what it makes people believe about you.
Just because his alias is a latin name does not automatically make him Mexican. That'd be my point.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 01:27 AM
It's not the nationality vs. religion thing I'm getting at. It's the assumption about a name and what it makes people believe about you.
Just because his alias is a latin name does not automatically make him Mexican. That'd be my point.
Point taken - and you are correct!
fmw63
08-04-2008, 01:28 AM
How could it be the same person when the birth dates are so far off. I believe Alonzo is Hispanic not black. There is a warrant out for him. He is missing some place.
If he could have an alias with id, why not a phony DOB too?
fmw63
08-04-2008, 01:35 AM
We're getting off track here. Whatever his origins - Alonzo is "black" and so is Kelly Lipsey - that is why there's a question about who was seen arguing on the street that day.
That's why I was wondering who's driver's license that is. You can barely see part of the picture. It's a man or woman with short, dark, curly hair. The other witness who had seen MJD before, had seen her several times with a light-skinned black man with hair that was possibly curly...
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 01:38 AM
That's why I was wondering who's driver's license that is. You can barely see part of the picture. It's a man or woman with short, dark, curly hair. The other witness who had seen MJD before, had seen her several times with a light-skinned black man with hair that was possibly curly...
My guess - and ONLY my guess - is that it's Alonzo's ID. I doubt MJD had any ID as she seems to have been too young.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 01:43 AM
If he could have an alias with id, why not a phony DOB too?
Yes he could have a phony date of birth but I wouldn't think it'd be that far off from his real birth date 6 years is quite a ways off. IMO
youshouldveknown
08-04-2008, 01:44 AM
It just seems all that stuff should have been logged under evidence. That WAS her duffle bag, wasn't it? They stopped at a house, she went inside and came out with a bag, right?
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 01:47 AM
It just seems all that stuff should have been logged under evidence. That WAS her duffle bag, wasn't it? They stopped at a house, she went inside and came out with a bag, right?
Yes - but it doesn't seem to be logged in the police report we've seen. Or at least it doesn't seem to have been identified as MJD's. That is part of the problem here....
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 01:50 AM
Yes he could have a phony date of birth but I wouldn't think it'd be that far off from his real birth date 6 years is quite a ways off. IMO
Why? Doesn't make much difference how far off the truth it might have been - it's a FAKE DOB. It was most likely meant to throw people off. That was probably the point! AND, as I stated earlier (though I cannot find the link now), Alonzo had numerous aliases. I don't see anything odd at all about the difference between his true DOB and those of his AKA's.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 01:53 AM
FMW could you please also find out if they ever ran MJD's finger prints later after the accident? She might not have been reported missing when they did it the first time. Maybe she wasn't reported missing for 6 months or even longer It's hard to say. Just a thought :-)
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 02:00 AM
This is from the police report They did log them with the photos
TOTE BAGS REMOVED FROM TRUNK
TOTE BAG REMOVED FROM TRUNK
TOTE BAG REMOVED FROM TRUNK
MISCELLANEOUS CONTENTS REMOVED FROM
FRONT PASSENGER'S AREA OF VEHICLE'S
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:00 AM
FMW could you please also find out if they ever ran MJD's finger prints later after the accident? She might not have been reported missing when they did it the first time. Maybe she wasn't reported missing for 6 months or even longer It's hard to say. Just a thought :-)
According to the Maricopa UID site, her DNA is in the national database.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:02 AM
This is from the police report They did log them with the photos
TOTE BAGS REMOVED FROM TRUNK
TOTE BAG REMOVED FROM TRUNK
TOTE BAG REMOVED FROM TRUNK
MISCELLANEOUS CONTENTS REMOVED FROM
FRONT PASSENGER'S AREA OF VEHICLE'S
Where are the contents of the bags listed? "Miscellaneous" doesn't really help.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 02:04 AM
Where are the contents of the bags listed? "Miscellaneous" doesn't really help.
I thought some one was just concerned if the totes or duffel bags were ever logged some place. Nobody ever said anything about the contents.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:08 AM
I thought some one was just concerned if the totes or duffel bags were ever logged some place. Nobody ever said anything about the contents.
The bags are shown in the photos FMW posted. Not knowing what was IN them is frustrating. It was said that MJD picked up a bag at the residence they stopped at before hitting the road. You can't tell from the photos which bag belongs to whom. Is it not possible that MJD had SOMETHING in her bag that may have lead to determining her identity??? AND where are those bags now?
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 02:22 AM
Well then the next question would be What did they find when they searched the bags??
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:23 AM
Well then the next question would be What did they find when they searched the bags??
Perhaps our fmw could find out the answer???? :blowkiss:
The car, including everything inside, was released to Lindsey. They might've pulled a stupid move and released MJD's things to the wrong person.
The bags are shown in the photos FMW posted. Not knowing what was IN them is frustrating. It was said that MJD picked up a bag at the residence they stopped at before hitting the road. You can't tell from the photos which bag belongs to whom. Is it not possible that MJD had SOMETHING in her bag that may have lead to determining her identity??? AND where are those bags now?
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:38 AM
The car, including everything inside, was released to Lindsey. They might've pulled a stupid move and released MJD's things to the wrong person.
Ya think? Dumb---es! The truly important evidence is likely gone forever. However, I have asked before, Lindsey FLEW out of Phoenix on an airplane. We really don't know whatever happened to the car.
Wouldn't LE have HAD to take a complete inventory of that car - including the contents of any bags, envelopes, cases, etc.????
Under normal circumstances I believe so. I've heard that police investigators don't put much effort into cases involving known/possible prostitutes... this could've been one of those, sadly.
The car I'm assuming went back to Alonzo once he got out. Someone in one of these threads managed to find that the car was totaled a few years back, but I don't remember them saying how they found out. Carfax maybe -shrugs.
Fairy1
08-04-2008, 02:49 AM
Under normal circumstances I believe so. I've heard that police investigators don't put much effort into cases involving known/possible prostitutes... this could've been one of those, sadly.
The car I'm assuming went back to Alonzo once he got out. Someone in one of these threads managed to find that the car was totaled a few years back, but I don't remember them saying how they found out. Carfax maybe -shrugs.
:mad: I'm sure you're right about this. Even so, the evidence would have been long gone before Alonzo took possession again of the car. If they can find the people who were living in the house they stopped at that day, they might be able to find out something. If she was living there - they would know who she was or at least something that might help us figure it out. It just breaks my heart to think that so many people would be able to just write her off and move on with their worthless lives.
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 03:04 AM
I would think that if MJD was from the area and somebody did know her they would have seen the news and saw what happened to her and that they were trying to identify her. Some one could have just made an anonymous call to the detectives office with her name. I know the kind of people she was hanging out with were no good but you'd think one of them would have cared enough to call and say she is so and so. Of course it's possible nobody did know her real name too.
@Fairy: The house is all speculation, other than it being in the LE's report (after numerous story changes).. it's like a he said/she said. Unless either ADF or LDJ come up with a physical address there's no proof that they actually did stop at one. In fact the entire case is one giant he said/she said. :furious:
@Theresa: Robin only knew her as either 'Corey' or 'Carla' so it's likely that she would've given this name to whomever she spoke with, and not just Robin.
I'm wondering if there's maybe a sibling or something that she may have gotten her street name from. Maybe in some weird, twisted memoriam of someone?
fmw63
08-04-2008, 03:24 AM
@Fairy: The house is all speculation, other than it being in the LE's report (after numerous story changes).. it's like a he said/she said. Unless either ADF or LDJ come up with a physical address there's no proof that they actually did stop at one. In fact the entire case is one giant he said/she said. :furious:
I was told there was a house that they stopped at and MJD went inside, later coming out with a bag/backpack. I don't know if this is the same house they claim Alonzo went to to buy drugs, but Lindsey is supposedly helping find the house.
I thought Alonzo bought his drugs behind the minimart and not at a house?
I will drive Lindsey MY FREAKING SELF if she can point out that damn house! lmfao!
fmw63
08-04-2008, 03:43 AM
I thought Alonzo bought his drugs behind the minimart and not at a house?
I will drive Lindsey MY FREAKING SELF if she can point out that damn house! lmfao!
I think it was said that he contacted some friends there to buy.
Oh, hm. I think it's time I completely re-read the LE report tomorrow. o_O
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 03:55 AM
When it comes to anything that Alonzo or Lindsey has said I don't put a lot of stock into it because they changed their stories soooooooo many times. Who knows what to believe *sigh*
Cubby
08-04-2008, 04:52 AM
Hopefully it was just for cleaning the wheels.:eek:
ANWAY! I thought I had posted this already:confused:, but Alonzo is William Walker.
still catching up, but how then did William get all the way through the charges with this case under an ALIAS :confused:?
Teresa Larson
08-04-2008, 05:14 AM
still catching up, but how then did William get all the way through the charges with this case under an ALIAS :confused:?
Good question Cubby!!! :clap: I don't think he could have not unless it was a legal alias Which I highly doubt it is. IMO
Cubby
08-04-2008, 05:21 AM
thanks TL.
We need a new thread everyone this is post # 601 on this one!
I'm going to open a new one.
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