Maricopa Jane Doe Thread #6

[believe09]

Can we start a new one, lovely people? I am getting lost in the length of the old one, lol.....

[believe09]

I heard from the Director last night and she said her admin is running down all staff who would have been working with kids in 1998 and 1999. They will get back to me as soon as they get the info together and then I will send the photos so we can see if anyone remembers her....crossed fingers!

[phenolred]

I cant believe nobody has posted about the show last night on ABC. primetime Crime about the trafficking and prostitution of under age girls. These 2 girls were just walking down the street to get a milkshake and were kidnapped and held as prostitutes for about 10 days by a pimp and 2 older Female prostitutes.

They were from Toledo Ohio and from what the show said, Toledo is a hotspot for these sickos to get the girls and they traffick them across the country. They called Toledo a HUB CITY of this. I need to look up some of the other Hub cities. They said the midwest is a real attractive place to get these girls and ship them out to other states because like Indiana is called the CROSSROADS of America. There are lots of crisscrossing interstates in the midwest.

They said somethings that made me think this is what happended with MJD, LIKE

they said what the pimps do when they get these girls is DYE THEIR HAIR....

get/give them fake ids etc etc take them to truck stops and pimp them out and even have them transported that way to other cities.

Luckily a very attentive truck driver saw what appeared to be 2 VERY YOUNG girls prostituting at the truck stop and disgusted he called 911 and these 2 were saved.

The PIMP is now in FEDERAL prison, appearently the federal charge comes from taking them across state lines.

the 2 older female hookers are also in jail.

I think this is what was being done to MJD and Lindsey DeJong was "recruiting" MJD with Alonso or as they call it on the show the older hookers "season" these young girls

They call it the seasoning period........YUCK they show said the fbi estimates there are approx 100,000 under age girls being held and used as under age prostitutes everyday enough to fill the biggest football stadium..

Who are these sick bastages PAYING FOR THIS if there wasnt a MARKET OUT THERE then this wouldnt be such a HUGE PROBLEM...

I think we need to look for the Hub cities and go from there she could be from ANY of those and she was easily lured in because of a poor family environment or ????? and her family thinks she ran away that why they never reported her missing....Just my humble opionions

you can watch the show here or just read more

http://abcnews.go.com/primetime

[phenolred]

here is something someone posted on the message board over at Primtime Crime

I am so glad that there is finally at least a little press about this. This issue is WAY bigger than just this one case. There are more slaves now than ever! Human trafficking has become the number 2 problem in the WORLD after drugs. Even though this is the case there are hardly any laws or focus on it. It's amazing the Atlanta is number 1 in the US for this "trade"

I found this map showing some of the Hotspot cities

http://www.slaverymap.org/

[phenolred]

Sorry here I am AGAIN with my MULTIPLE POST But I think this is important....

found this


girls as young as 12, sometimes kidnapped, always sold for sex.

"I know the FBI is concentrating on Toledo, and I know Toledo is one of the top cities in the country for teen prostitution," said Celia Williamson, a University of Toledo professor known nationally for research of prostitutes.

Deb Hodges, a top Lucas County Juvenile Court official, agreed: "We had one of the federal investigators tell us that Toledo was the No. 1 recruiting spot in the United States. ... It was mind-boggling."

Until recently, it was also largely undetected.

"We here in Toledo had no idea that this was going on," said Dave Bauer, an assistant U.S. attorney in Toledo. One big problem, he said, is that underage prostitution is "a mobile business."

Recruited here, the girls didn't stay long. Pimps quickly shuttled them across the country, and "they would quite easily fly under our radar screens,"


Fake IDs, real money
If Toledo was a recruitment hot spot, Harrisburg was its distribution center. Like no place else in the country, five major highways meet in the city, delivering an unending supply of paying customers.

"You can't do that in Chicago or L.A. or Atlanta," Mr. Zubrod said.

Wire transfers of tens of thousands of dollars - for food, fuel, clothes, and lodging - allowed the girls to crisscross the country.

Outfitted with fake identities, they remained as invisible as the underground economy in which they operated.

In one case last spring, a pimp turned to rote memorization to train two kidnapped Toledo teens.

"I know as far as the Social Security numbers and the IDs, both of the girls had to write on seven pieces of paper, front and back, on every single line, all their false information," the mother of one of the girls told The Blade.

Pimps monitored each other's product and services, purchasing women from one another and sharing trade secrets.

The latest indictments claimed violence was sometimes even delegated to veteran prostitutes.


In another business setting, they might be called executive assistants. In the sex trade, they're known as "bottom *****es" - part enforcer, part cashier, and part recruiter.

Prosecutor Zubrod said these women will, "under orders, attack another prostitute and beat [her] with their fists or stab her or any number of things."

IS this what Lindsey was for Alonso his "Bottom *****"

the rest is here
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/NEWS08/601080333

[believe09]

So let's check Toledo and Atlanta for her-there is something different about her however that does not ring true for this kind of trafficking for me, ie that she was kidnapped. Unless Alonzo was her actual pimp, I do not see a pimp allowing a girl, who might be at risk from running away, who from the state of her body probably wasn't on the street long, and who had some people close enough to her to attempt to talk her out of the "life", get into a vehicle that did not return in the requisite time...am I making sense?

I can see this more of a seduction scenario with a pimp, but that is just me.

[phenolred]

I can see this more of a seduction scenario with a pimp, but that is just me.

thats very true could be the type of luring away as Im going to be your man etc etc kinda whooing her over and then gradually "season" yuk I hate that word :crazy:


BUT he still had to have a Hunting ground to pick her up I think if she were local to Arizona she would have been Id'd by now so if we take a look at the Prime recruting hotspots its worth a shot I think.....

I also found Kansas City is a Big Hotspot and I sent a email off to a place called veronicas voice in Kansas City
it is ran by former prostitutes from there and I asked about the name KC SLim or Kansas City Slim to see if would jog any memories hoefully they will get back to me...



Veronicas Voice

is named in remembrance of Veronica April Neverdusky. Veronica was 21 years old in 1993 when she was found murdered in Penn Valley ...

Veronica's Voice partners with prostituted women in the Kansas City metropolitan community to encourage them to choose lifestyle changes, ..

http://www.veronicasvoice.org/


Former sex workers provide non-judgemental support and services for women and girls that are currently or have been involved in the sex industry

[Marstan]

So much information. I did not see the special dangit but would hope we can hit the target areas for picking up the girls and transporting, etc. I know when my daughter and I were in Phoenix, there was a black older gentleman (yeah, right) who followed us all through the mall. Crazy thing was, my daughter actually noticed and said something to me. I too had been watching him and I have no doubt what he was up to. Indoor malls are one of the main places the pimps go to look for girls who look sexy for their age or alone and quiet. They come on as very nice men. The hookers are also in the indoor malls probably scoping out any interesting girls.

[Teresa Larson]

Nebraska and Iowa are in the Midwest and nobody ever kidnaps girls from around this area so it must just be a few select states. She could be from any state not just these states or cities that have the problem IMO

[Fairy1]

Nebraska and Iowa are in the Midwest and nobody ever kidnaps girls from around this area so it must just be a few select states. I feel that this is off topic though. We need to focus on finding out who MJD is. She could be from any state not just these states or cities that have the problem IMO

How can you possibly say that??? Based on what Phelolred has posted today, we need to learn about these "hub cities" and concentrate on those. There are young girls missing from EVERYWHERE and we need to explore all of the possibilities. Jeez, this whole story just frightens me to no end. We need an army on the streets to find these babies and bring them home.

[Fairy1]

BTW Phenolred - thank you so much for all your valuable research. I don't know how you do it - but you find the most incredible information!!!

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Teresa Larson]

I think we should check out all states not just the ones that have been in the news for the prostitution and kidnapping problems. However we do not have any girls missing from Nebraska or Iowa so no need to look there. I still think KL knew her and brought her there. He was arrested for bringing the young girls there for prostitution even though the charges were dismissed later.

[lorelei]

I think we should check out all states not just the ones that have been in the news for the prostitution and kidnapping problems. However we do not have any girls missing from Nebraska or Iowa so no need to look there. I still think KL knew her and brought her there. He was arrested for bringing the young girls there for prostitution even though the charges were dismissed later.


I'm pretty sure that there are probably at least hundreds if not thousands of girls in Iowa and Nebraska who've gone missing, disappeared somehow or run away who could possibly match MJD if their cases were looked at/entered into the national databases.

Its not that there aren't any girls missing in your area, I'm SURE that there are. They just don't get the attention for whatever reason. Not every person who disappears is reported, and not all reported disappearances get entered into the national or state database.

eta- It is true though- that if people aren't on those lists (NCMEC, etc) then it is really difficult to try to look for them. There aren't any missing girls in Nebraska or Iowa, but I think its just as likely she's from there as any other state though. So what do we do if she isn't on any of the lists?
Where do you even start to look in such a big country? There really isn't any way for us to search for her with our resources (or my resources at least, lots of people here have a way better idea of what they're doing than I do:) ).

edited again- that is sort of a depressing post? I am not really that pessimistic, just sleepy.
It is pretty amazing how much info you guys have gotten that could help identify her in the past few months! Just recently so much information about KL, what happened in the car, etc. I think it is definitely a big step forward. I haven't read the articles yet but I'll take a look tomorrow once I'm more awake.

[Teresa Larson]

I can tell you this much since I do live in Nebraska If a child, teenager or an adult goes missing here it's plastered all over the news The same way for Iowa We rarely have people come up missing so when it does happen it's a huge thing. In other states it does happen much more often.

[phenolred]

You got to start somewhere and for me we have combed over and over and over Arizona. I am just making a plan of where do I look next. The logical places for me to start with are the Hub Cities of under age child kiddnapping for sexual purposes makes sense to, then if those dont work go from there but you have to start somewhere and you need a plan of attack.

I also go to thinking since she WAS in the car with Lindsey and she was from the northeast Spokane area that maybe she helped recruit her and it could be a possibility she could be from the Spokane or Portland Oregon areas as well. Fell free to pick a Hub city a search away....

[phenolred]

So much information. I did not see the special dangit but would hope we can hit the target areas for picking up the girls and transporting, etc. I know when my daughter and I were in Phoenix, there was a black older gentleman (yeah, right) who followed us all through the mall. Crazy thing was, my daughter actually noticed and said something to me. I too had been watching him and I have no doubt what he was up to. Indoor malls are one of the main places the pimps go to look for girls who look sexy for their age or alone and quiet. They come on as very nice men. The hookers are also in the indoor malls probably scoping out any interesting girls.

Well Marstan you are in luck because you can watch it via the website

[phenolred]

GOOD NEWS I heard back from the lady the runs Veronica's Voice in Kansas City here is her reply WHHOOOO HOOO

Phenolred,
I would be glad to help in any way possible. Do you have a photo of Lipsey? Do you think she could have been murdered by a trick? You may send anything you feel would be helpful. Can you also send me more information on how to reach you as well as who you work for. Thank you for caring about this young girl’s dignity.
Sincerely,
Kristy Childs


Hey thinking out loud here but isnt it fmw that is talking with LE, wouldnt it be possible for LE OR the NEWS people to obtain a mug shot of Lipsey or Alonso???? You you them all the time on the News they get the persons old mug shots to show what the Perp looked like, and Ironically enough they has been at least 1 murder per night here on Indys east side and even the VICTIMS pics are clearly mugshots from them being in trouble at some point. My husband and I were talking about that list night all the VICS pics are clearly mugshot and it makes it kind of hard to feel very sorry for them where they are out gang bangin....So I wonder if one of these to sources could get us these mug shots

It would CLEARLY be HUGE to have LIPSEY"S mugshot in the hands of the Ex prostitutes in Kansas City

[believe09]

PM-FMW...I have to say that having a copy of KTL's mugshot would help me as well. The street kids group I am working with in Phoenix would be far more likely to recognize him I think than her...

[fmw63]

PM-FMW...I have to say that having a copy of KTL's mugshot would help me as well. The street kids group I am working with in Phoenix would be far more likely to recognize him I think than her...

Just sent an email asking if there are any state-sponsored portraits.:crazy:

[phenolred]

Just sent an email asking if there are any state-sponsored portraits.:crazy:
Awesome thanks!!!!

[dee10134]

GOOD NEWS I heard back from the lady the runs Veronica's Voice in Kansas City here is her reply WHHOOOO HOOO

Phenolred,
I would be glad to help in any way possible. Do you have a photo of Lipsey? Do you think she could have been murdered by a trick? You may send anything you feel would be helpful. Can you also send me more information on how to reach you as well as who you work for. Thank you for caring about this young girl’s dignity.
Sincerely,
Kristy Childs


Hey thinking out loud here but isnt it fmw that is talking with LE, wouldnt it be possible for LE OR the NEWS people to obtain a mug shot of Lipsey or Alonso???? You you them all the time on the News they get the persons old mug shots to show what the Perp looked like, and Ironically enough they has been at least 1 murder per night here on Indys east side and even the VICTIMS pics are clearly mugshots from them being in trouble at some point. My husband and I were talking about that list night all the VICS pics are clearly mugshot and it makes it kind of hard to feel very sorry for them where they are out gang bangin....So I wonder if one of these to sources could get us these mug shots

It would CLEARLY be HUGE to have LIPSEY"S mugshot in the hands of the Ex prostitutes in Kansas City

That's what I've been saying since Thread 5. LOL

[believe09]

Awesome thanks!!!!

If you get one would you send it to me too? You have my email still???

[Marstan]

That's what I've been saying since Thread 5. LOL

Okay, today I called the FBI office in Phoenix. The agent I spoke with looked up which agent is handling Lipsey's federal case. She said she would have him contact me regarding Lipsey and possibly getting a photograph of him. Keep your fingers crossed girls. Luckily I have a contact at the FBI office and I am hoping against all hopes that it will help get some information.

I have to say you have to talk fast cuz they wanna cut you off if you are not LE. I finally got across to her what we were doing what we hope to do and that it might be something else they can look into.

Can everyone send out good thoughts to all the people we have contacted in hopes we might identify our little MJD.

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[dee10134]

Now how do we get a pic of Alonzo?

[phenolred]

Now how do we get a pic of Alonzo?
yeah he should also have a mug shot on file in Arizona, just a matter of getting it, could fmw or Marstan ask about him too, for all we know HE COULD BE KC SLIM who knows

Im so tired of calling this poor girl MARICOPA JANE DOE or MJD she DESERVES BETTER!!!!!

Mari maybe but that seems to Plain for her

[believe09]

Okay, today I called the FBI office in Phoenix. The agent I spoke with looked up which agent is handling Lipsey's federal case. She said she would have him contact me regarding Lipsey and possibly getting a photograph of him. Keep your fingers crossed girls. Luckily I have a contact at the FBI office and I am hoping against all hopes that it will help get some information.

I have to say you have to talk fast cuz they wanna cut you off if you are not LE. I finally got across to her what we were doing what we hope to do and that it might be something else they can look into.

Can everyone send out good thoughts to all the people we have contacted in hopes we might identify our little MJD.

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Big smoochy kisses, M!!! Great work!

[phenolred]

:bananalama:Big smoochy kisses, M!!! Great work!
ditto

[dee10134]

yeah he should also have a mug shot on file in Arizona, just a matter of getting it, could fmw or Marstan ask about him too, for all we know HE COULD BE KC SLIM who knows

Im so tired of calling this poor girl MARICOPA JANE DOE or MJD she DESERVES BETTER!!!!!

Mari maybe but that seems to Plain for her

I was thinking the same thing about Alonzo being KC Slim. And I agree she does deserve a name.

[Teresa Larson]

FMW would you please also ask LE if they ever did get the chance to talk to Shaine Parker? I would like to know what he saw etc Thanks!

[absinthe]

Phenol - thanks so much for the info on VV! I just looked at the site and it seems like an awesome organization. Very caring about the sex workers as actual human beings.

I know what you mean about MJD not having a name. I sometimes think of her as "mariposa", Spanish for butterfly, because it sounds so similar to Maricopa.

[believe09]

I am tired of MJD as well-choose something and I will jump right on board with it...time to bring her further into our hearts and let the world know we are serious about getting her home.

[phenolred]

I think maiposa doe is cool, butterlies are sort of angelic. idk or how about the lovely name phenolred!!!! lol no jk......
does anyone else have suggestions

[dee10134]

I PM'd Christine weeks ago requesting a copy of the police report and still have not received it. Could someone please email it to me? PM me if you have it and I'll send you my email address.

[dee10134]

I think Mariposa (butterfly) is a very fitting name for MJD, but her real name would be MUCH better.

[dee10134]

FMW would you please also ask LE if they ever did get the chance to talk to Shaine Parker? I would like to know what he saw etc Thanks!




Who is Shaine Parker?

[Marstan]

I am tired of MJD as well-choose something and I will jump right on board with it...time to bring her further into our hearts and let the world know we are serious about getting her home.

How about Desert Orchid?

[lorelei]

Who is Shaine Parker?

I believe he is one of the witnesses to MJD falling out of the car but I'm not completely sure on that. He is mentioned in the police report, I'm just not completely sure of the context.
I don't think I have it anymore or I'd send it to you sorry. If I find it on my mess of a computer I'll send it along though:)

I do like the name Mariposa. Its very pretty.

[ArizonaGiGi]

Mariposa Jewel

[Teresa Larson]

Who is Shaine Parker?

This is from the police report.

ON WEDNESDAY JANUARY 27TH, 1999, AT ABOUT 0900 HOURS I WAS CONTACTED BY TELEPHONE BY SHAINE PARKER. SHAINE SAID HE WAS THE PERSON WHO SAW THE VICTIM COME OUT OF THE VEHICLE, AND HE WAS REQUESTING INFORMATION ON HER CONDITION. I ADVISED HIM THAT I COULD NOT RELEASE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I TOLD HIM THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK TO HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW. I ASKED IF THE PAGER NUMBER I WAS GIVEN BY DPS OFFICER GARDINIER WAS ACCURATE TO GET HOLD OF HIM, AND HE SAID IT WAS. I THEN TOLD SHAINE THAT WE WOULD BE CONTACTING HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW. SHAINE SAID THAT HE WOULD BE AVAILABLE. I THEN CONTACTED DETECTIVE TARANGO AND ADVISED HIM THAT I TALKED WITH SHAINE. DETECTIVE TARANGO ASKED ME TO CALL HIM BACK AND SET UP AN INTERVIEW. I THEN PAGED SHAINE APPROXIMATELY TWICE IN THE NEXT TWO HOURS, BUT SHAINE NEVER RETURNED THE CALL.

I want to know if the police ever did get to interview him and what did he see??? The truck driver was ahead of them looking at a mirror That's why I am still not so sure she was pushed out the window or if she was pushed out the door. The reason I am skeptical about the window theory is because she didn't really have any wounds to her hands. If she went out the window that should have been one of the first things to hit the pavement That and the front part of her face. Remember she supposedly had her head hanging out the window to throw up so she would have been face down. The back of her head received the most trauma so that's what makes me think she was pushed back wards out the door. IMO

[SweetDreamOfYou]

I am so happy to see mjd getting a new name. Been reading this thread a long time after finding her picture somewhere else and my heart broke when I saw her.

any way this post is helping not in finding her real name. but really wanted to say ty for giving her a more fitting nickname till her real name is found.

terri

[dee10134]

This is from the police report.

ON WEDNESDAY JANUARY 27TH, 1999, AT ABOUT 0900 HOURS I WAS CONTACTED BY TELEPHONE BY SHAINE PARKER. SHAINE SAID HE WAS THE PERSON WHO SAW THE VICTIM COME OUT OF THE VEHICLE, AND HE WAS REQUESTING INFORMATION ON HER CONDITION. I ADVISED HIM THAT I COULD NOT RELEASE THAT INFORMATION, BUT I TOLD HIM THAT WE NEEDED TO TALK TO HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW. I ASKED IF THE PAGER NUMBER I WAS GIVEN BY DPS OFFICER GARDINIER WAS ACCURATE TO GET HOLD OF HIM, AND HE SAID IT WAS. I THEN TOLD SHAINE THAT WE WOULD BE CONTACTING HIM FOR AN INTERVIEW. SHAINE SAID THAT HE WOULD BE AVAILABLE. I THEN CONTACTED DETECTIVE TARANGO AND ADVISED HIM THAT I TALKED WITH SHAINE. DETECTIVE TARANGO ASKED ME TO CALL HIM BACK AND SET UP AN INTERVIEW. I THEN PAGED SHAINE APPROXIMATELY TWICE IN THE NEXT TWO HOURS, BUT SHAINE NEVER RETURNED THE CALL.

I want to know if the police ever did get to interview him and what did he see??? The truck driver was ahead of them looking at a mirror That's why I am still not so sure she was pushed out the window or if she was pushed out the door. The reason I am skeptical about the window theory is because she didn't really have any wounds to her hands. If she went out the window that should have been one of the first things to hit the pavement That and the front part of her face. Remember she supposedly had her head hanging out the window to throw up so she would have been face down. The back of her head received the most trauma so that's what makes me think she was pushed back wards out the door. IMO

I found a probable MySpace page for Shaine Parker. He lives in Douglas, Arizona, which is about 120 miles southwest of Tuscon (straight down I-10). PM me and I can send you the link, or if the admins say it's okay, I'll post the link here. Maybe someone can make contact with him???

[dee10134]

Should I send this to him?

Dear Shaine,

I'm a member of an online crime sleuthing community called Websleuths. I'm working as part of a team to help identify an unidentified young woman that either jumped, fell, or was pushed out of a moving vehicle on I-10 eastbound near Sun Lakes, AZ on January 26, 1999.

If I have the correct Shaine Parker, on January 26, 1999, shortly after 2 PM, you were a witness to a young woman (about 13-17 years of age) jumping out of a vehicle on I-10 eastbound at about mile post 173.5 near Sun Lakes, AZ. The young woman lived for one day, but passed away at Scottsdale Osborn Hospital on January 27, 1999. She remains unidentified to this very day, almost 10 years later.

We are looking to connect Maricopa Jane Doe with her name. Any information that you possibly recall about this accident could be extremely useful in our quest to reunite Maricopa Jane Doe with her family. Even the most minute detail could be the detail that could possibly break this case. You are more than welcome to come join us in our quest at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=139.

Please let me know if I have the correct Shaine Parker. If I do not, I apologize for bothering you and thank you for taking the time to read this.

Best regards,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX

[Teresa Larson]

Should I send this to him?

Dear Shaine,

I'm a member of an online crime sleuthing community called Websleuths. I'm working as part of a team to help identify an unidentified young woman that either jumped, fell, or was pushed out of a moving vehicle on I-10 eastbound near Sun Lakes, AZ on January 26, 1999.

If I have the correct Shaine Parker, on January 26, 1999, shortly after 2 PM, you were a witness to a young woman (about 13-17 years of age) jumping out of a vehicle on I-10 eastbound at about mile post 173.5 near Sun Lakes, AZ. The young woman lived for one day, but passed away at Scottsdale Osborn Hospital on January 27, 1999. She remains unidentified to this very day, almost 10 years later.

We are looking to connect Maricopa Jane Doe with her name. Any information that you possibly recall about this accident could be extremely useful in our quest to reunite Maricopa Jane Doe with her family. Even the most minute detail could be the detail that could possibly break this case. You are more than welcome to come join us in our quest at http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=139.

Please let me know if I have the correct Shaine Parker. If I do not, I apologize for bothering you and thank you for taking the time to read this.

Best regards,

XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX


Go for it!! If his name is spelled the exact same way then I'd say it's probably him. Let us know if you hear anything from him :clap:

[Zanko]

Earlier people were thinking of giving MJD a name rather than calling her Maricopa Jane Doe. I thought about another unidentified girl nicknamed "Penny" cause she had pennies in her pockets when she was found. So I thought, what was unique about MJD? She didn't have anything in her possession that could be used to give her a "nickname". But she did have the blue heart tattoo. Then I remember being told that the name Cora means "heart". (I believe it is Corazon in Spanish.) Then I remembered that someone claims that MJD was possibly named Cory. I don't know, but Cora might fit. Heck, it might be a clue to her real name if the heart tattoo wasn't a branding. I know the name Cora wasn't all that popular in the 80's (when she would have been born.) But it doesn't have to mean her name was Cora, it could be the name of a special "grandmother". Just a thought.

[dee10134]

Go for it!! If his name is spelled the exact same way then I'd say it's probably him. Let us know if you hear anything from him :clap:

It is. I'm willing to bet that it's the same guy. I'll be sure to let you guys know what he says...

[dee10134]

Sent my message to Shaine Parker's MySpace page. I will let you all know what, if anything, he says....

[dee10134]

It is the right Shaine Parker. Is it okay to post his response here? Or do I need his permission first? He does have info that may be pertinent to this case, but I do not want to intrude on his right to privacy... I need advice here... Someone, anyone, please let me know...

[lorelei]

I'm not sure what the usual board/internet etiquette is but personally I'd wait until I had some type of permission from him to post his response? Just to be on the safe side, in case we want ot ask him for more help or cooperation or whatever you call it:)

ETA- also YAY! Thanks for emailing him:) Cant post fancy smileys in the edit feature but you deserve some:) I was wondering what the story was with him...

[dee10134]

Thanks Lorelei. I'll see what he says. He seems like a very nice guy that actually cared about what happened. I invited him to our site. Hopefully, he stops by and offers his 2 cents. I will ask him if it's okay to post his reply to our site.

[dee10134]

Shaine Parker provided me with permission to repost this. Please read from the bottom up, as my original emails begin the conversation:

Shaine: "I can't recall her saying anything, though when I first arrived she tried to get up. She was surprisingly unscratched up for coming out of a vehicle doing 75.

When I talked to the officer the following day, I was surprised when he told me she was as young as she apparently was. I thought her to be twenty-five to thirty. Prostitution wears young woman out rapidly.


Shaine
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From: ..dee10134..
Date: 20 Jul 2008, 20:09


Shaine,

Thank you so much for your perspective on this! It's very helpful! I'm so sorry you had to witness something like this.

Do you mind if I share this with my team members at Websleuths? You're more than welcome to come help us find this girl/woman's identity... I don't necessarily believe she jumped either. I think that she may have been "helped out of the vehicle" and that the people in the car knew exactly who she was, even though they deny it. You said you held her hand. Was she cognitive? Did she say anything? Anything you might remember could help...

I finally got a copy of the police report and it seems to clear the people in the car with her. If you send me your email address (if you're even interested), I'll send you a copy of that police report for your review..

If you did hold her hand and were first on the scene, did she say ANYTHING to you? Even if it was a mumble and even if it didn't make any sense to you, it may make sense to someone else. I really want to help this woman/girl get her name back...

Thanks again...

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From: ..Shaine..
Date: Jul 20, 2008 9:31 PM


I was driving fast in a rental Suburban. I was coming up in the fast lane when the greyish oxidized 70s or 80s model car swerved. There seemed to be a struggle going on inside, and then the woman came flying out of the passenger's window.

As I mentioned before, the car didn't even touch the brakes. That's part of the reason I believe she was pushed.

I stopped and back up to the woman and she was trying to get up. I told her not to move because she might have internal injuries. No blood was coming out of her ears., a sign of brain injury I learned to recognize in Vietnam.

Someone else stopped with a cell phone and called the authorities. I told him he could leave. He hadn't seen what happened and I had. I waited with her, holding her hand (it seemed to give her some sort of comfort) until the tribal police arrived.

I gave the information and took the officers name and number. I called the following day and discovered that they were able to stop the vehicle I described, but the officer said they claimed they were trying to keep her from jumping out. According to the officer, there was sufficient information to warrant their detention. That she jumped is bull****. The officer told he she had died from head injuries. I thought that strange because there was no blood coming out of her ears.

In some ways, I have a remarkable good memory, and I distinctly remember the officer tell me it was a Lincoln, because I had told him that I thought it was a Caddy.


Good luck on your search for her identity.


Shaine

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..dee10134..
Date: 20 Jul 2008, 18:57


Thank you so much for getting back to me. I don't know who this woman is, but from what we know, she lived for a day but was unable to provide police with any information. Did she appear to be PUSHED or do you think she jumped? If you recall at all, considering it was almost ten years ago. According to police she was a prostitute, but they believe she was well under age (13-17 years of age). Just a baby if you ask me. Like I said, I don't know this woman; I'm from Chicago, IL and felt sorry for her case, but your information is helpful.

The people she was in the car with were believed to be a pimp and another prostitute. They claim to not know anything about her, except for the fact that she was going to go to Miami with them. But according to them, she never told them her name. Bull sh!t, if you ask me. It has been said that it was a Cadillac Sedan de Ville in a dark blue color that she jumped/pushed/fell out of.

Can you please explain the circumstances that you were in the area? Was your car behind, next to, etc., their car? In your opinion, was she pushed out or fell out of the car? What did you see going on in there?

Sorry again for all of the questions. Her case really hit home for me because she resembles a cousin of mine that I lost at an early age.

I really appreciate you getting back to me, Shaine, and hope that you'll join us at Websleuths

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..Shaine..
Date: Jul 20, 2008 8:42 PM


I did see a young woman being pushed out of a Lincoln Continental. I was able to give authorities enough information to stop the vehicle. It happened fast and at high speed. I can't say for sure whether she was pushed for shoved.

The Lincoln didn't didn't even touch the brakes. The young woman was a bleached blonde with heavily made up eyes and was wearing s short skirt and had nothing on underneath it. She carried a small purse which open and was stuffed with condoms.

She tried to get up, but had a spacey look to her eyes.

I think the best bet is to match her photo with women who had been picked up for prostitution in Phoenix and other large southwest metropolitan areas.

I thought she had been identified.

The incident really shook me up.

I hope the little information I am able to give you here is of help.


Shaine


If you think I can possibly provide you more information, please do not hesitate to get in touch.




----------------- Original Message -----------------
Date: 20 Jul 2008, 18:13


Dear Shaine,

I'm a member of an online crime sleuthing community called Websleuths. I'm working as part of a team to help identify an unidentified young woman that either jumped, fell, or was pushed out of a moving vehicle on I-10 eastbound near Sun Lakes, AZ on January 26, 1999.

If I have the correct Shaine Parker, on January 26, 1999, shortly after 2 PM, you were a witness to a young woman (about 13-17 years of age) jumping out of a vehicle on I-10 eastbound at about mile post 173.5 near Sun Lakes, AZ. The young woman lived for one day, but passed away at Scottsdale Osborn Hospital on January 27, 1999. She remains unidentified to this very day, almost 10 years later.


We are looking to connect Maricopa Jane Doe with her name. Any information that you possibly recall about this accident could be extremely useful in our quest to reunite Maricopa Jane Doe with her family. Even the most minute detail could be the detail that could possibly break this case......... You are more than welcome to come join us in our quest at ..........http://www (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vd3d3)
........... websleuths. com/forums/forumdisplay......... php?f=139.....

Please let me know if I have the correct Shaine Parker. If I do not, I apologize for bothering you and thank you for taking the time to read this.

Best regards

[ArizonaGiGi]

Wow Dee, thanks for being such a good sleuther and getting Shaine to feel comfortable contacting you. Awesome information. So we can definitely say that she was a prostitute. I wonder if she was indeed closer to 25+ years of age? That could make a difference in our search for her identity.

[Fairy1]

:clap::clap::clap: Thank you, Dee, for going for it with Shaine! Based on what he has to say, seems LE definitely did not go all out investigating this incident. That Tribal LE was first on the scene concerns me in terms of thoroughness. That means it happened on tribal land and from what I've learned, they do not necessarily go above and beyond. The purse full of condoms does seem to confirm that MJD was a prostitute, but now I really do wonder about her age. Somehow, it makes me sadder that she was trying to get up. I know his name came up in the police report, but obviously, they did NOT question him any further. He clearly believes that she was thrown or pushed out of the car and that there was some type of struggle going on beforehand. IMO - Alonzo and Lindsey got off waaaaaay easy. No wonder she's reluctant to talk about it now. I'm going to put Elena Soldatova back in the hat here (see Possible Matches thread). Suzi Dodt said she was too old, but I don't think we can be certain of that now!

[Teresa Larson]

I am so happy that you found him on myspace Dee. I asked FMW several times to find out if they ever did get to interview him. I knew he had to know something since he was the first one to her. I was going to contact LE myself and ask if they ever tried to contact Shaine again but didn't because I know they didn't want a bunch of people bothering the LE It breaks my heart knowing that she tried to get up The poor thing. I have always said that she got pushed out of the car and I know not everybody agreed with me. I hope Shaine joins us here so we can ask him some questions This might be the big break we need to solve who MJD really is.

[Teresa Larson]

If Shaine saw her purse then where did it go to?? It might of had her ID in it. That should have been one of the first things LE should have looked for. I have wondered all along if this was never solved because of discrepancies in procedures Why didn't the police try to contact Shaine again?? It seems to me I read some place that the department that handled this was fairly new.

[phenolred]

THE PURSE!!!! Exactly what I was thinking, no mention of her having a purse in any reports, but now we have a witness that saw the purse. Where IS IT, AND what else was in it other than condoms. I say this due to the fact why would it be so important for her to got out the window with the purse. Seems like something much more valuable to her than condoms might have been in there.

I wonder if they were struggling for the Rolex or ???? gun?? hmmm.....

Oh one other thing I thought of this weekend about the lack of hand injuries. As we were going along the interstate I was thinking what if Someone had a gun on me and were going to shoot me I think I Would take my chances and try and jump to its either I AM FOR SURE GOING TO DIE BY THIS GUN OR, I MIGHT have a CHANCE if I tried to jump......

So, I thought Ok Im going to jump now and the FIRST THING TO ACROSS MY MIND WAS PROCTECT MY HEAD, I had always thought I would throw my arms out for to catch myself but my first thought was grab my head with both arms over my head......and Im not saying she jumped at all...

But I think this is why not so many hand injuries or face injuries. And to me the one face injury on her lip looks like she was struck across the face by someone......

No wonder Lindsey wont talk.... and for some reason I thought the name MARCI for her

[phenolred]

PS I AM SO excited you located this witness that is just AWESOME good work and thanks....

Has anyone had any luck finding Robin Angers she might also have info that could really help us she was one of the ONLY people in the original report that knew much of anything and was very forthcoming with the info.....We have questions she might not have been asked originally

[Marstan]

Great sleuthing Dee! Perhaps this would be enough information to get someone else in LE looking at it again.

[Marstan]

"And to me the one face injury on her lip looks like she was struck across the face by someone......"

The ME specificially stated the injury to her mouth was caused at the hospital and was not part of the initial injuries. I believe it is on the ME's report which is updated every once in a while.

[phenolred]

"And to me the one face injury on her lip looks like she was struck across the face by someone......"

The ME specificially stated the injury to her mouth was caused at the hospital and was not part of the initial injuries. I believe it is on the ME's report which is updated every once in a while.


I thought they meant to clear up what people were indicating was a SCAR on her face was done at the hospital, for the longest time people thought that was a LONG scar from her mouth up, But It was Probably remints of the tape they use to hold the resperator in place etc....

Mayeb IM wrong but I didnt think they were referring to the fat lip

[rccook555]

I thought they meant to clear up what people were indicating was a SCAR on her face was done at the hospital, for the longest time people thought that was a LONG scar from her mouth up, But It was Probably remints of the tape they use to hold the resperator in place etc....

Mayeb IM wrong but I didnt think they were referring to the fat lip

This was my thought too. I think it was to indicate that the Scar/tape mark on her mouth and cheek area were from a medical procedure not the fat lip. I cant see her getting a fat lip from any kind of medical procedure or life saving tactics used on her. IMO it looks like she was punched in the mouth.

ETA ..Awesome job Dee!!

[fmw63]

Shaine Parker provided me with permission to repost this. Please read from the bottom up, as my original emails begin the conversation:


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[phenolred]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

i second that I am SOOOO HAPPY that she found him and he has been so very open to sharing what he knows.....

This calls for a Llama Rindin!!!

:bananalama:


You know if you witnessed something like this in your life, it would never go away from your mind it would be one of those things that sticks with you.......

It would be like surreal seeing someone flying from a car like that...


and Kudoos to him for stopping and holding her hand at least she wasnt alone on that road.....I want to thank him for sticking around and being a concerned citizen and holding the poor girls hand gosh that is horrible..

One thing that stood out to me that he said was that she had on LOTS of MAKEUP the hospital must have washed that off I dont see any evidence of lots of makeup in the pics..

I have a couple of questions for him, did the makeup appear to be smeared or running down her face from crying? Based on the info Lindsey gave in the LE report her last statement indicated that she started crying.... It she had on all the makeup it would have possibly leave black cry lines.

ALso most importantly I would love for him to give us his thoughts on the composites of MJD that several people have done here and see what he says about what looks most like her.....

He says she tried to stand up and had a dazed look about her so he is the only one to have seen her with her eyes open that WE have been able to talk with!!!

[dee10134]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

LOL You're crazy! Thanks! I'm asking him about the purse. Does anyone else have any questions for him?

Oh and by the way, he said he may stop by and check our our site. He's a writer and is posting some blogs first. He said he blogged about this on his MySpace, but added some fictional elements.

[dee10134]

I sent him some questions about the purse, what tribe was the tribal police officer affiliated with, and whether or not it appeared that she was crying. I believe he did see her with her eyes open, so I asked him if he'd be willing to check out some composite drawings to let us know which, if any, resemble MJD the most. I'll keep you all updated.

His blog is very interesting. PM me and I can send you a link. I don't want to post the entire thing here for copyright reasons, since he is a writer, and because he said there are some fictitious embellishments within the story.

[dee10134]

More information, read from the bottom up:

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..[dee10134]..
Date: 21 Jul 2008

I'll definitely check out your blog!

You mentioned that she had a purse and I was wondering about it. Did you see where it went? Did you see anything else other than condoms in it? Maybe she had an ID in the purse and the tribal police lost it? Do you happen to remember what tribe the tribal police was from?

Also, about the makeup. It appears that the hospital may have washed it off. She was pretty without her makeup, too. Did it look like it was smeared, as if she was crying? The people in the car said she flipped out and started crying and then said she had to throw up and just jumped out the window. I don't buy that one bit. Did you see what happened inside the car?

You said you saw her gaze and it was kind of dazed, so you saw her with her eyes opened? Would you be willing to check out some composite drawings to see which, if any, resembled her most in life?

Sorry again for all of the questions. Your information is very helpful. You know about certain items that may or may not have been present when she jumped/fell/was thrown out of the vehicle that happened to be "glanced over" in the police report. As one of the first people on the scene, you helped provide this woman with some comfort in her last moments. Thank you. I would only hope that if I were ever in an accident that a good citizen like you would stop to help!


----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..[Shaine]..
Date: Jul 21, 2008 7:34 AM


I'm not positive about the bleached blonde. I wrote that more because of her "made up" beauty. She was quite pretty in a painted way.

She did try to raise herself on her front arms.

I will check out the material you sent soon as I finish posting some more material here.

I did blog about the incident. It's posted here and you can look it up. I think it's called Life In The U S of A. I added a few fictional details, but for the most part it's accurate. By the way, I'm a writer.

Shaine

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: ..[dee10134]..
Date: 20 Jul 2008, 20:37


Wow, that old? And she actually tried to get up?!?

Have you seen her pics? She looks very young in those and remarkably not too badly scratched up. Maybe it's because they cleaned her up the hospital...

In my personal opinion, I'd guess that she was 15-16 maybe. You're more than welcome to come to our forum and check things out.

So, in your personal opinion, you think she had bleach-blonde hair?

[dee10134]

Shaine's response to my email:

Date: Jul 21, 2008 10:46 AM



"It was a small purse and I didn't see anything but condoms in it. I have no idea what happened to purse. I waited for the ambulance to arrive and take her away.

I was the first one on the scene.

I saw a struggle going on in the vehicle.

I believe the tribal officer would be from Sacaton which is either on the Maricopa or Pima reservations.

[snipped for relevance]

I'll check out a composite.

She was a very attractive young woman, and I think that there is something drastically wrong with our society when so many attractive young woman end up in prostitution."

[dee10134]

He is willing to check out the composites!!!

Can someone please email the composites to me? I'm sensitive to postmortem pics so please keep that in mind when you're emailing me (or include a warning).

PM me and I'll send you my email address.

[Cubby]

Awesome Dee! Thank you! And thanks to Shaine for providing the info!

Someone asked previously, if we had found RA, to my knowledge no. Last I recall reading FMW63 had asked the detective if he could find contact info for her.

[Lucy's mom]

Thanks Dee for doing this! You've done an awesome job, thank you!!!!

[Cubby]

I think the ME would be able to determine age by bone growth etc.... I have also seen "stress" age people tremendously. Maybe the heavily made up eyes made MJD appear older. We have seen no composites with heavy eye make up. If she looked older, according to SP, then we can assume she was a street girl longer but maybe not so long in Phoenix.

SP had a fantastic idea about comparing her picture to arrested or known prostitutes in other heavily populated SW metropolitan area's. IF she was a circuit girl, and the story about LDJ and Alonzo was true about going to miami- the super bowl was just days away.

What if anything was going on in Phoenix around this time?
I wish we could get a contact for RA. I am curious now to know how long she had seen MJD in the area.. was it weeks, days, months? If we had that we could search other SW area's for any large events and go from there.

If RA's statement that MJD was turned down for a job as a dancer then I think we can confirm she was minor. If she was of age, why wouldn't she have an ID proving she was old enough to dance. Remember, the legal age to be a stripper was 18, not 21 at the time.

what if she had been previously arrested and that was the reason she left the area she was in prior to phoenix.

We don't know that LE ever investigated the possibility of looking at known prostitutes photos outside of the "known central phx" area they investigated.

[cymster]

Hi all,

I was wondering if those who are fantastic at making facial reconstructions could make one of MJD 'made up'...you know like with make up. It might just ring a bell or two...

Keep up the good work!!!

[chinakatt00]

I am new to posting here, but I have followed this case for quite awhile. You all are fantastic and are doing an amazing job.

If we are looking at MJD possibly being older that orginally thought, what do you think about Martha Jean Lambert as being a match?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/308dffl.html

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601793&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[Cubby]

Great Job Phen'! My image of MJD with heavy eye makeup was with a non earth tone color. What colors were in style in 98/99? I remember wearing the pink eyeshadow in my early teens but that was long before 99.

[Cubby]

Article:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/04/09/20080409vanburen0409.html


"No longer are prostitutes coming from out of state to conduct seasonal work in the downtown area. "

Where was the "seasonal work" coming from?

[Fairy1]

Article:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2008/04/09/20080409vanburen0409.html


"No longer are prostitutes coming from out of state to conduct seasonal work in the downtown area. "

Where was the "seasonal work" coming from?

This is exactly the problem. WTH good does it do to bust the girls? They need to track down the pimps AND the johns!!! All the girls are going to do is move to another street. Idiots!

Ok - had to vent. I do still believe LE needs to focus on Lipsey. It does appear that MJD was a prostitute - based on having a purse full of condoms (thank you Shaine!). She HAD to be working for someone and I don't think it was Alonzo. I still think Lipsey needs to be questioned - strongly. And I think they need to find Robin Angers and see if she remembers anything else about MJD. And WTH happened to that purse? IIRC - the police report stated that the condoms were all over the side of the road - am I correct about that? There has to have been something else!!!!!!!!

[believe09]

The non profit I have been working with in Phoenix has lined up 10 people who were assisting street kids in the late 90's who might have knowlege of our girl. They are very interested in obtaining mug shots of Lipsey since their folks would either know him by site or street name....I am sending them a zip file compiled by Angie of images of "Mariposa." If anyone shakes loose a mug shot of Alonzo and KTL, please, please image and send to me???

Hugs!

[dee10134]

Me too!

I was wondering if it is at all possible to contact the tribal police regarding the case and seeing what information they might have...

[Fairy1]

Me too!

I was wondering if it is at all possible to contact the tribal police regarding the case and seeing what information they might have...


Not sure how much good this would do but if anything - the detective currently on the case should do so. fmw...what are your thoughts?

Something happened to that purse - which I believe had to have something more in it than condoms. Money? ID? Who knows? Seems clear to me that the evidence was compromised in some way. Who's going to cop to that now? IMO - this should still be a criminal investigation. It seems likely that Alonzo and Lindsey may be eligible for murder charges and should answer for their actions that day. Above and beyond trying to identify MJD, I do believe a criminal investigation should be on-going. JMO

[Teresa Larson]

I mentioned this all along time ago about the purse and whether the LE had ever spoke with Shaine But nobody would listen to me LOL They probably left her purse lying on the side of the road. It makes me wonder if it could still be laying out there with the other rubbish. They should have looked for that right away. It sounds like they had too many people working on this and things got over looked and mixed up

[lorelei]

The non profit I have been working with in Phoenix has lined up 10 people who were assisting street kids in the late 90's who might have knowlege of our girl. They are very interested in obtaining mug shots of Lipsey since their folks would either know him by site or street name....I am sending them a zip file compiled by Angie of images of "Mariposa." If anyone shakes loose a mug shot of Alonzo and KTL, please, please image and send to me???

Hugs!

I haven't been able to find any mugshots for them either.
But maybe someone could call and see about getting copies from where they were in jail? Were both of them in Maricopa County jails?

Even though they don't appear to be online for these guys, mugshots are public record. Also it seems like Maricopa County releases mugshots a lot on their own, so we'd probably have a decent chance of them releasing them to us? They have a page on their website specifically set up to tell you how to request police reports, etc. Here is the link

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Request_Report

It should be either the Criminal Records Section or the Departmental Reports Section who would have the mugshots on file. My best guess is Criminal Records but I'm not sure.
I am super:chicken: and also really bad on the phone- does anyone else want to give them a call (assuming they were both incarcerated in MC jails- I get confused since they've been arrested so many times) ??

[Teresa Larson]

I haven't been able to find any mugshots for them either.
But maybe someone could call and see about getting copies from where they were in jail? Were both of them in Maricopa County jails?

Even though they don't appear to be online for these guys, mugshots are public record. Also it seems like Maricopa County releases mugshots a lot on their own, so we'd probably have a decent chance of them releasing them to us? They have a page on their website specifically set up to tell you how to request police reports, etc. Here is the link

http://www.mcso.org/index.php?a=GetModule&mn=Request_Report

It should be either the Criminal Records Section or the Departmental Reports Section who would have the mugshots on file. My best guess is Criminal Records but I'm not sure.
I am super:chicken: and also really bad on the phone- does anyone else want to give them a call (assuming they were both incarcerated in MC jails- I get confused since they've been arrested so many times) ??

I will call then again and ask. :)

[Fairy1]

I mentioned this all along time ago about the purse and whether the LE had ever spoke with Shaine But nobody would listen to me LOL They probably left her purse lying on the side of the road. It makes me wonder if it could still be laying out there with the other rubbish. They should have looked for that right away. It sounds like they had too many people working on this and things got over looked and mixed up

I do not believe they left her purse there. I do think it's possible whatever else was in that purse was taken by the first responders. And, we will NEVER know what was there. We are going to have to press on without that information as it is not listed in evidence. Dang it! Lost forever IMO.

[fmw63]

Me too!

I was wondering if it is at all possible to contact the tribal police regarding the case and seeing what information they might have...

My LE contact is a detective with the tribal police (Gila River PD). :rolleyes: They're working with the Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

According to the police report, an AZ DPS Officer was first on the scene,(then Pinal County officers) so that's probably who Shaine talked to.

Still no more on Robin Angers.

[Fairy1]

My LE contact is a detective with the tribal police (Gila River PD). :rolleyes: They're working with the Pinal County Sheriff's Office.

According to the police report, an AZ DPS Officer was first on the scene,(then Pinal County officers) so that's probably who Shaine talked to.

Still no more on Robin Angers.

Oh dear! :eek:

[Teresa Larson]

Oh dear! :eek:

Robin Angers is actually Robin White

[Fairy1]

Robin Angers is actually Robin White


How do you know that?

[Fairy1]

The non profit I have been working with in Phoenix has lined up 10 people who were assisting street kids in the late 90's who might have knowlege of our girl. They are very interested in obtaining mug shots of Lipsey since their folks would either know him by site or street name....I am sending them a zip file compiled by Angie of images of "Mariposa." If anyone shakes loose a mug shot of Alonzo and KTL, please, please image and send to me???

Hugs!

This is great news, believe09!!! Thank you. I cannot find a pic of Lipsey, but I do sincerely hope these folks have some memory of MJD!!!

[Teresa Larson]

How do you know that?

It's on her police record If you look up her alias it comes back that she is really Robin White.

[Fairy1]

It's on her police record If you look up her alias it comes back that she is really Robin White.


Thanks. If it's an AKA - guess they could find her with either name. I feel pretty confident LE can find her - not matter what name she goes by.

[Teresa Larson]

She looks pretty tough by the looks of her picture. Who knows where she could be. Why would LE look for her? They already questioned her. Not unless they feel she knows more? Which is possible.

[Fairy1]

She looks pretty tough by the looks of her picture. Who knows where she could be. Why would LE look for her? They already questioned her. Not unless they feel she knows more? Which is possible.

I haven't seen her mugshot - but the fact that she has one tells me LE can track her - even now. My understanding (and I may be mistaken) is that there is a new detective on MJD's case. I do believe if they feel they need to find Robin, they will be able to. Do you think Robin looks like a leopard who can change her spots?

[cali_mommy]

Hi all,

I was wondering if those who are fantastic at making facial reconstructions could make one of MJD 'made up'...you know like with make up. It might just ring a bell or two...

Keep up the good work!!!

hi, iam new here but this case has really caught my eye. such a pretty girl,to have such a tragic end. just thought i would try and help, here's the best i could do. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=320&pictureid=2897

[phenolred]

hi, iam new here but this case has really caught my eye. such a pretty girl,to have such a tragic end. just thought i would try and help, here's the best i could do. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=320&pictureid=2897


i cant see the pic:confused:

[fmw63]

Have you heard how the interviews went?

[fmw63]

"You may be able to obtain a copy of Alonzo Fernandez’s picture from Pinal County and a copy of Lipsey from Maricopa County."

"Jane Doe 0042 is featured in the Phoenix New Times this week"
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

[phenolred]

Cool Thanks Fm here is a link to the story as SOME of the info on our MARIPOSA


Dale Buehner, a long-distance trucker based in Michigan, remembers the moment vividly, even though it happened almost a decade ago.
"My partner was driving, coming out of Phoenix," Buehner tells New Times from the road somewhere in Pennsylvania.
"We were going to stop in Eloy — get a shower and a bite to eat. It's daytime. As we passed this Cadillac, we noticed that there was a man in the front seat, a woman in the passenger seat, and somebody in the back seat. Stuff was going on. It looked like an argument, or something, but I didn't think much of it."
The Caddy then passed Buehner's semi, got about a half-mile ahead of it, and then slowed down.
"When we pass it on the left lane for the second time, I see the driver's got one hand on the wheel and he's looking in the back seat trying to do something with his free hand."
"As we get ahead of them and pull into the right lane, I look into my rear-view mirror, and this girl comes right out of the car. Just bounces off the road!
"My first thought process was that she was pushed out, but thinking about it, she had to roll down the window, and she went out like a diver with her hands outstretched.
"She hit the asphalt and rolled into a clump in the ditch. People behind her stopped right away, but the Cadillac kept going and speeded up. We were trying to block it and call the cops. He was passing us on the right-hand side, and speeded up."
This was before cell phones were commonplace, so Buehner jotted down the license-plate number, got off at the next exit, and dialed 911.
Then they got back into their truck and continued down the road.
"Just before the Eloy exit, we saw that the police had pulled the car over. We stopped, and I went over and asked about the girl.
"All the cop told me was that the girl in the car was extremely nervous. I didn't think [the other] girl we saw rolling into the ditch could have lived. That's the only time I spoke to the cops. Twenty minutes and we were gone."
Buehner asks New Times, "Exactly what is this all about?"
That's a hard one to answer.
Back at milepost 173, another eyewitness had stopped and rendered aid to the young girl, who was unconscious and seriously injured.
She was airlifted to Scottsdale Memorial Hospital, suffering from massive head trauma and several broken bones.
The deputies took the two people in the Cadillac, Alonzo Fernandez and Lindsey DeJong, both in their 20s, to the Casa Grande substation for questioning.
According to a Pinal County sheriff's report, DeJong said she didn't know the girl and that she'd jumped out of the moving vehicle for no apparent reason.
She said that Fernandez had met the girl earlier that day, and that the trio planned to spend a few days in Tucson before driving to Miami.
DeJong told police that the girl had been riding in the middle of the front seat, which differs from what trucker Dale Buehner says he saw. She said the girl suddenly asked to be let out because she feared her boyfriend would beat her up if she went to Florida.
Fernandez told her to wait until the next exit, and he would let her out. The girl said she was going to vomit, so DeJong rolled down the window.

DeJong said the girl then lifted herself over DeJong toward the passenger-side window, stuck her head out, and somehow propelled herself out onto the freeway.



Jamie Peachey

http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones.2344337.51.jpg (http://phoenixnewtimes.com/photoGallery/?gallery=832943)


http://media.phoenixnewtimes.com/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones.2344338.51.jpg (http://phoenixnewtimes.com/photoGallery/?gallery=832943&position=1)
Subject(s):

Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office (http://phoenixnewtimes.com/search/?keywords=Maricopa County Medical Examiner's Office), Suzi Dodt (http://phoenixnewtimes.com/search/?keywords=Suzi Dodt), unsolved crimes (http://phoenixnewtimes.com/search/?keywords=unsolved crimes)
Fernandez's story was that he had met the nameless girl outside a liquor store on 24th and Van Buren streets. He said the girl had told him that she, too, was going to Miami and could use a lift.

He also said she had jumped out of the Caddy for no reason, which had confused and frightened him enough that he continued to drive without rendering aid.
Fernandez claimed that he had stopped near Eloy because he saw police behind him "and wanted to find out what was going on."
Not surprisingly, the cops didn't buy it.
(Neither Fernandez, DeJong, nor a Valley woman named Kim Senegal, whom Fernandez later listed in court documents as his girlfriend, could be located for this story.)
On February 4, 1999, a Pinal County grand jury indicted Alonzo Fernandez on charges of manslaughter, leaving the scene of an accident, and possession of marijuana.
Lindsey DeJong wasn't charged, and police re-interviewed her the following month at a Motel 6 back on Van Buren.
Her account changed somewhat: She said Fernandez hadn't wanted to let the girl out of the car. The girl started crying when he wouldn't stop, seemed to panic, and leapt to her death.
DeJong again swore that she never knew the girl's name.
Fernandez spent almost four months in the Pinal County Jail before he was sentenced to time served after pleading guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, a felony.
He told a probation officer that "all three of us were on the freeway smoking marijuana. She started freaking, saying her boyfriend would get mad if she left, and she jumped out of the car. I saw her in the rear-view mirror, and people were stopping to help her. I was scared and kept going. I never knew her name. I'm still haunted by this 'til this day."
In September 1999, a county judge issued a bench warrant after Fernandez failed to report to his probation officer repeatedly.
Authorities still haven't found him.
The dead girl's body ended up at the Medical Examiner's Office, where it became known as 99-305.
Among possible clues to her identity was a small tattoo of a blue heart near her chest.
Another clue was a gold-colored ring with the initials DMA engraved inside of it.
Sometime after an autopsy, authorities released the body for burial.
The advent of Dodt's Unidentified Persons Bureau two years ago brought attention to the unsolved case.
99-305 has become a cause célèbre on sites devoted to unidentified and missing persons. So far, no luck.


http://phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-07-17/news/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones/1

[Marstan]

Great article from the Phoenix New Times, they have pretty good reporters over there. Will have to check out the site. WOW things may start hopping if they have a new detective working on the case!

[dee10134]

I do not believe they left her purse there. I do think it's possible whatever else was in that purse was taken by the first responders. And, we will NEVER know what was there. We are going to have to press on without that information as it is not listed in evidence. Dang it! Lost forever IMO.

Shaine says he was the first one on the scene. I highly doubt that he would have taken her purse, then years later mention it to us. I believe he is a credible witness and honestly do believe what he says regarding MJD. I highly doubt that Shaine would have taken this girl's purse.

Shaine mentioned there was someone else there, a college student with a cell phone, who called the police then left. Then Tribal Police arrived on the scene, followed by the paramedics.

I'm assuming that since Shaine saw that there were condoms in her purse that it must have been open and either on her person or very near the vicinity of her body. Shaine says he was with her, holding her hand.

If the purse was on or near her body, maybe the paramedics lost the purse on the way to the hospital (or stole it)? Maybe someone at the hospital took it after she died? Who knows?

I wonder if any of the other witnesses (the truck drivers) could confirm or deny the appearance of a purse as her body flew out of the car?

[dee10134]

I sent the composites to Shaine. I will let you all know what he says. :)

[dee10134]

Here's a link to that article that fmw63 advised us about: http://phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-07-17/news/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones/

WARNING: Postmortem pics at link.

[Marstan]

Shaine says he was the first one on the scene. I highly doubt that he would have taken her purse, then years later mention it to us. I believe he is a credible witness and honestly do believe what he says regarding MJD. I highly doubt that Shaine would have taken this girl's purse.

Shaine mentioned there was someone else there, a college student with a cell phone, who called the police then left. Then Tribal Police arrived on the scene, followed by the paramedics.

I'm assuming that since Shaine saw that there were condoms in her purse that it must have been open and either on her person or very near the vicinity of her body. Shaine says he was with her, holding her hand.

If the purse was on or near her body, maybe the paramedics lost the purse on the way to the hospital (or stole it)? Maybe someone at the hospital took it after she died? Who knows?

I wonder if any of the other witnesses (the truck drivers) could confirm or deny the appearance of a purse as her body flew out of the car?

You know, I have wondered about the condoms and the bunge cord but do you remember the plastic type bunge cords that have a clip on the end to hold a key .... or maybe a small coin purse and attached at the wrist?? The tattoo would also be a fantastic picture because it may tell it's own story as well.

When you go to the New Sun site, please read all the way to the end and make comments about the mjd case. I may make a world of difference.

[dee10134]

You know, I have wondered about the condoms and the bunge cord but do you remember the plastic type bunge cords that have a clip on the end to hold a key .... or maybe a small coin purse and attached at the wrist?? The tattoo would also be a fantastic picture because it may tell it's own story as well.

When you go to the New Sun site, please read all the way to the end and make comments about the mjd case. I may make a world of difference.

I'm hoping a street person sees the article and recalls someone commenting on this. Maybe they heard something in 1999 or maybe someone starts talking about it now, but I'm hoping this gets the right people talking and will lead to her ID!

By the way, it's perfect timing, if you ask me, with the upcoming news story! :)

[Cubby]

Shaine says he was the first one on the scene. I highly doubt that he would have taken her purse, then years later mention it to us. I believe he is a credible witness and honestly do believe what he says regarding MJD. I highly doubt that Shaine would have taken this girl's purse.

Shaine mentioned there was someone else there, a college student with a cell phone, who called the police then left. Then Tribal Police arrived on the scene, followed by the paramedics.

I'm assuming that since Shaine saw that there were condoms in her purse that it must have been open and either on her person or very near the vicinity of her body. Shaine says he was with her, holding her hand.

If the purse was on or near her body, maybe the paramedics lost the purse on the way to the hospital (or stole it)? Maybe someone at the hospital took it after she died? Who knows?

I wonder if any of the other witnesses (the truck drivers) could confirm or deny the appearance of a purse as her body flew out of the car?


I agree. Also, Thanks for sending Shaine the composites. Again, an Giant Thanks! to Shaine for his assistance- if he sees this, if not please pass the thanks along Dee!

As for Robyn Angers - Whatever happened in her past is in her past. Based on the LE report she was kind and concerned about MJD. I think she would be an incredible assest in assisting to help ID MJD.

[Cubby]

Any updates on the rolls of film/photo's ordered?

Did anyone catch this from the article:
Another clue was a gold-colored ring with the initials DMA engraved inside of it. Couldn't that possibly mean her last name began with an A?

I'm ecstatic about the timing of the article!

[dee10134]

I think ADF and LDJ knew EXACTLY who MJD was.

And who is Kim Senegal. ADF says in court documents that she was his girlfriend, but I thought he told LE that LDJ was his "girlfriend." Probably to keep from getting a charge for pimping her out, right?

Either way, if KS is/was ADF's girlfriend, maybe SHE knows who MJD is (since I believe these three had much more than just a passing encounter on the streets).

I will see what I can find on KS and get back to you all!

[phenolred]

when you put it as KS instead of Kim Senegal I immeaditaly thought K Slim

KS k slim ......

i found a few alias for her maybe names by marriage or ??
WHEELWRIGHT, KIMBERLY E (http://www.usa-people-search.com/order.aspx?city=&st=az&fn=&mn=&ln=senegal&searchpID=457072711)
Associated names:
JACKSON, KIMBERLY
SENEGAL, KIM
SENEGAL, KIMBERLY
SENEGAL, KIMBERLY K (http://www.usa-people-search.com/order.aspx?city=&st=az&fn=&mn=&ln=senegal&searchpID=218605464)


PHOENIX, AZ
COALINGA, CA
NORTH HIGHLANDS, CA
ONTARIO, CA

MESA, AZ
PHOENIX, AZ
COALINGA, CA
HAYWARD, CA
NORTH HIGHLANDS, CA
OAKLAND, CA
ONTARIO, CA
WHITTIER, CA

[fmw63]

Any updates on the rolls of film/photo's ordered?

This just in...

I was going to say I just got the email that the photo cd is ready as soon as I send the money order, then I checked new emails, and the detective sent me a photo of the tattoo and the ring!


so here they are!

:bananapartyhat:

[phenolred]

I found an adress and phone # for KS in Gilbert AZ IM NOT CALLING LOL

[dee10134]

Any updates on the rolls of film/photo's ordered?

Did anyone catch this from the article:
Another clue was a gold-colored ring with the initials DMA engraved inside of it. Couldn't that possibly mean her last name began with an A?

I'm ecstatic about the timing of the article!

Ok, on the initials. I believe they could be HER initials, IF IF IF this is a ladies ring. Danielle was a very popular name in the 80s. Maybe DMA stands for Danielle Marie A.??? Or Dana Marie A.???? I wonder if there are any missing teenagers (OR WOMEN!) that have those given names???

I guess this is kind of rushing the gun, since we can't confirm/dispute this theory until we see a pic of it and determine whether or not is't a ladies or a man's ring.

It could also be the initials of her pimp if it's a man's ring!

This list could possibly come in handy for us in the future...

I looked up the top 100 popular girls' names in the United States between 1980-1989 for an idea of probably "D" names during the time MJD could have been born:

We have in the top 100 that begin with "D":
Danielle (#25)
Diana (#73)
Dana (#77)

Then I remembered that RA/RW said she could be named "Carla" or "Corey" so I checked out the "C" names that were popular during the 1980s and found:
Christina (#19)
Crystal (#21)
Courtney (#37)
Christine (#48)
Cassandra (#60)
Catherine (#63)
Cynthia (#64)
Chelsea (#67)
Carrie (#78)
Caitlyn (#90)
Candice (#97)
Casey (#99)

Since "K" is close in sound to "C", here are the popular names in the 80s that begin with "K":
Kimberly (#18)
Kelly (#29)
Katherine (#32)
Kristen (#38)
Kristin (#42)
Katie (#43)
Kathryn (#50)
Kayla (#55)
Kristina (#62)
Kathleen (#71)
Krystal (#79)
Karen (#80)
Katrina (#100)

Source: http://www.thinkbabynames.com/popular/0/United+States/1980-1989

**I bolded names that could possibly be hers and those names that sound like Carla/Corey... Kayla, by far, is the closest soundwise to Carla/Corey IMHO....

[phenolred]

This just in...

I was going to say I just got the email that the photo cd is ready as soon as I send the money order, then I checked new emails, and the detective sent me a photo of the tattoo and the ring!


so here they are!

:bananapartyhat:

WOOOO HOOOO and the article is WRONG the initials are on the OUTSIDE of the ring a signet ring and that TATTOO looks SOOOO ametuerish....and crooked, maybe it was done to her

[dee10134]

This just in...

I was going to say I just got the email that the photo cd is ready as soon as I send the money order, then I checked new emails, and the detective sent me a photo of the tattoo and the ring!


so here they are!

:bananapartyhat:

fmw GREAT JOB!!!!! :bananalama::bananalama::bananalama:

And that is ONE ghetto tat. Looks like she did it herself or maybe the pimp did, but the fact that it looks misshapen makes me think SHE did it herself.

I'm going to have to zoom into the ring, but it looks like it says DAM to me on the face....

Oh and do you happen to know what size the ring is? Ladies or mens?

[dee10134]

WOOOO HOOOO and the article is WRONG the initials are on the OUTSIDE of the ring a signet ring and that TATTOO looks SOOOO ametuerish....and crooked, maybe it was done to her

I think she did it herself. It's too misshapen for someone to be sitting in front of her trying to tattoo her. I would think that if she did it herself, she wouldn't have the best viewing angle to get it straight...

I remember back in high school we used to break apart blue ball point pens and try to tattoo ourselves. It didn't work because we were too chicken to go deep enough, but I do have a blue dot on my ankle still.

[Cubby]

Whoo hoo on the pics!
Wow, the heart is pretty crude. Tough to tell if the almost straight line on the right was an attempt to be half a heart sort of like a broken heart. That was my first impression. It's very difficult to read the intials on the ring, it appears to have been damaged with her fall. It looks like a ladies ring to me. The size would be important, if it is small, perhaps it was a childhood ring two small to wear on her finger.

[dee10134]

I found an adress and phone # for KS in Gilbert AZ IM NOT CALLING LOL


I don't have the balls to call either.... :blushing:

[dee10134]

IF this ring is a man's ring, I wonder if there's any way we can get a listing of all known pimps in the Phoenix area whose names begun with the letter "D" and going from there???

[Cubby]

I looked up popular baby names too ( great minds think alike! :blowkiss: )
Dina or Deana were also popular names in my area about that time. Spelled with the I- for most Italian or Greek families, Deana for non.
There were also still quite a few traditional names, such as Diedra ( dee dee ) Dawn, Deborah, Dianne, Dianna.

I also think the ring appears as DAM rather than DMA. I think Ann, or Anne is the most common middle name with an A.

[Angie4b1g]

I'm so excited to see some progress finally! I can't wait to hear what Shaine says about the photos!!!

[fmw63]

The ring's initals are DMA, with diamonds - just like this signet ring from Jewelbasket.com.

[dee10134]

The ring's initals are DMA, with diamonds - just like this signet ring from Jewelbasket.com.

GOOD FIND! It looks pretty much like the same exact ring!

I wonder if we can get what size it was from the detective. Maybe her pimp gave it to her but it was too large for her to wear so she decided to wear it on her necklace? Maybe it was her mother's ring?

[dee10134]

I was checking out the script types they offer and the script on this ring is the exact same as what Jewelbasket.com calls "Silverware Script".

It doesn't look like "Monogram Script" to me, as the middle initial appears to be the exact same size as the rest of the letters. With monogram script, they suggest that the last name initial be the larger middle letter.

So if the ring was done in "monogram script", the initial of the last name would be the larger middle initial, making the initials DAM, but since I believe it's done in "silverware script" the initial in the middle is probably her middle name... so the initials would be DMA, just as engraved on the ring.

[fmw63]

The detective thinks it looks like a man's ring.

Also, there's a hospital pic of her and more of her hair is dark brown than blonde. I'll have to send this one to Christine to evaluate for posting - it would definitely need a warning disclaimer...

[Cubby]

Just a thought, back to the heavy makeup and SP's comment on MJD appearing older. Heavy makeup and inexpensive makeup can also give the appearance of someone looking older than they are. How many times have we seen young girls wearing loads of makeup and scantily dressed who appear much older than they are. I still think the ME has the correct appx age for MJD.

[Cubby]

The detective thinks it looks like a man's ring.

Also, there's a hospital pic of her and more of her hair is dark brown than blonde. I'll have to send this one to Christine to evaluate for posting - it would definitely need a warning disclaimer...


In the mean time, would you mind sending it to those of us via pm if we asked? I for one am ok with viewing pictures, seeing IRL would be different. If so, I would like to see the pic.

Ot- but I have no problem looking at pics on rotten.com and eating at the same time... sad, I know.......

[dee10134]

The detective thinks it looks like a man's ring.

Also, there's a hospital pic of her and more of her hair is dark brown than blonde. I'll have to send this one to Christine to evaluate for posting - it would definitely need a warning disclaimer...

Shaine seemed to think it was bleach-blonde. I tend to agree.

I probably wouldn't want to see the hospital pic if it's that bad... :(

[dee10134]

In the mean time, would you mind sending it to those of us via pm if we asked? I for one am ok with viewing pictures, seeing IRL would be different. If so, I would like to see the pic.

Ot- but I have no problem looking at pics on rotten.com and eating at the same time... sad, I know.......

You are so gross. I can barely look at some of these pics. I have a hard time with composites too. They shock the hell out of me most of the time.

[phenolred]

You are so gross. I can barely look at some of these pics. I have a hard time with composites too. They shock the hell out of me most of the time.
IM WITH U on this one cubby, my husband thinks im a FREAK!!! he wont look at stuff.....


But i would like to see the pic via pm thanks

[dee10134]

I did searches on NCMEC for missing kids with the initials D.A., D.M.A., D.M., and D.A.M. and didn't get a single match.*

I wonder if this really could be her pimp's ring...

*Note: To search by initials, you put the first initial, followed by the * (star) wildcard. That will pull up all names that begin with those letters.

[fmw63]

The pics are quite large, so I put them on photobucket. There are the ones I have so far, except that hospital one, I'll send that by email.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

[dee10134]

The pics are quite large, so I put them on photobucket. There are the ones I have so far, except that hospital one, I'll send that by email.
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
/ (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD/)

Are there any that I should be aware of before I go look? :rolleyes:

[Marstan]

The pics are quite large, so I put them on photobucket. There are the ones I have so far, except that hospital one, I'll send that by email. http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
/ (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD/)

Thank you so much for sharing these photos with us. I have a gold necklace almost exactly like the one shown so I am familiar with it. It also cleared up what the ring looked like and I wanted to say that the back seat of the Caddy looked awfully cramped for someplace to put your feet. Makes me wonder if she were in the front seat as the two people claimed or if she was in the backseat attempting to keep her from jumping out of the car.

[phenolred]

I think I finally deceiphered the envelope......on the floor by her shoes

Crossland Economy Studios Phoenix - West
4861 W. McDowell Rd.
Phoenix, AZ 85035
Telephone: (602) 272-8571
Fax: (602) 272-8627
PHW@extendedstay.com (PHW@extendedstay.com)


obvisouly someone was staying in that motel long enough for them to get mail and its just down the road from van buren

I wonder if LE took her photo to this location to see if anyone recognized her

[fmw63]

Are there any that I should be aware of before I go look? :rolleyes:

Nope. You'll be fine.

[Cubby]

IM WITH U on this one cubby, my husband thinks im a FREAK!!! he wont look at stuff.....


But i would like to see the pic via pm thanks

I remember sitting at a pizzeria eating pizza while thumbing through the Color Atlas of the Human Anatomy- many real pics. We were close to a chiropractor college. It didn't faze me one bit as pics...

I appreciate the disclosures so I don't inadvertantly open something I should not in front of my 5 yr old.

[fmw63]

Thank you so much for sharing these photos with us. I have a gold necklace almost exactly like the one shown so I am familiar with it. It also cleared up what the ring looked like and I wanted to say that the back seat of the Caddy looked awfully cramped for someplace to put your feet. Makes me wonder if she were in the front seat as the two people claimed or if she was in the backseat attempting to keep her from jumping out of the car.


So far, everyone's story agrees that all were in the front. Maybe Alonzo was reaching for her shoes, as they were in the back seat.

Also, the back seat in one of these isn't cramped at all. They probably had
the front seats way back.

[Cubby]

I'm trying to envision IF MJD jumped on her own accord. If so, she would use her legs for leverage. With three people in the front seat two scenario's are possible. she either used her legs or knees while on LDJ's lap or there was enough room for her to get leverage on the car seat between either her and Alonzo, or LDJ. I tend to think LDJ would have had some contact marks or bruises indicating leverage OFF LDJ's lap, which makes me wonder if LDJ had any bruise marks or marks of any kind to verify their story. FMW63 can you see if LE ever looked at this possibility?

Especially with the one witness indicating her arms were out as if she was diving from the car. (From the recent article)

[dee10134]

I think I finally deceiphered the envelope......on the floor by her shoes

Crossland Economy Studios Phoenix - West
4861 W. McDowell Rd.
Phoenix, AZ 85035
Telephone: (602) 272-8571
Fax: (602) 272-8627
PHW@extendedstay.com (PHW@extendedstay.com)


obvisouly someone was staying in that motel long enough for them to get mail and its just down the road from van buren

I wonder if LE took her photo to this location to see if anyone recognized her

There IS an email address. Maybe someone could email the best composite (as chosen by Shaine) and see if they recall seeing her?

[Angie4b1g]

Once you hear back from Shaine, let me know, and I will work up a new composite based on what he says (hairstyle, make up, width of face, etc). Once we know what she REALLY looked like, I should be able to come up with a good one!

[fmw63]

And yes, the seats were pushed back.

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

[Auburnmommyof2]

I have been off the thread for about a week. My 8 year old niece was climbing a tree and a limb broke, was operated on for a broken arm, and later passed away from a bleed in her brain unrelated to the fall. Long story but please keep us in your prayers. She had a breathing tube and now I can understand how MJD's mouth was swollen after her hospital stay. The tubes and tape around my precious niece's mouth and nose made her not look like the same person to me.

[believe09]

I have been off the thread for about a week. My 8 year old niece was climbing a tree and a limb broke, was operated on for a broken arm, and later passed away from a bleed in her brain unrelated to the fall. Long story but please keep us in your prayers. She had a breathing tube and now I can understand how MJD's mouth was swollen after her hospital stay. The tubes and tape around my precious niece's mouth and nose made her not look like the same person to me.

Auburn, there is nothing I can say that can ease this loss-please tell all that we will keep them in our prayers and I am sending you hug...

[believe09]

Thank you so much for sharing these photos with us. I have a gold necklace almost exactly like the one shown so I am familiar with it. It also cleared up what the ring looked like and I wanted to say that the back seat of the Caddy looked awfully cramped for someplace to put your feet. Makes me wonder if she were in the front seat as the two people claimed or if she was in the backseat attempting to keep her from jumping out of the car.

I have the same necklace as well-isn't that funny!!!

FMW-you are great to share these with us. Please send me the hospital photo via email and I would appreciate it muchly. Let me know if you need my addy again...

[dee10134]

Can someone send me the images individually and not as a composition of composites? Shaine's having trouble viewing the composition of composites that someone emailed me. PM me and I'll send you my email addy if you don't already have it.

[dee10134]

Nevermind. I opened it up and uploaded it to Photobucket and sent him the link.

He said right off the bat that she resembled the last two images (the one the forensic artist drew and one that a very talented Websleuther did (sorry, I'm not sure who did that one)).

I asked him if there was anything he would change about either drawing to make it more closely resemble what he remembers MJD looking like in life. I'll let you all know what he says.

[Angie4b1g]

Can you show me which composite you showed him so I can see which were "the last 2"?

I did a couple of those, and I'm curious if one of mine was the one he picked!

[dee10134]

Hi Angie: It was this one: http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
The 5th one is the forensic artist's sketch and I'm not sure who did the 6th one.

Let me know... :)

[Angie4b1g]

Yep, I did that last one! Please let me know what he says to change and I'll get right on it!

[dee10134]

HEY GUYS! :) I GOT A RESPONSE FROM SHAINE! He said she most closely resembles the last two images. He says 6 is definitely the closest and that one and six are very similar....

Read from the bottom up for the full conversation:
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [Shaine]
Jul 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Six is definitely the closest. One and six are very similar. I can't really add anything.


Shaine

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [dee10134]
Date: 22 Jul 2008, 19:00

Hi Shaine,

The file is a compilation of 6 individual images that were compiled into a single image. I don't think there are 3 sets of images.


I saved the file to Photobucket. Hopefully you will be able to view them larger that way. Try clicking on this link:
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

You can click the image to make it even larger if you need to. That should work for you. Let me know if it doesn't.

You said she looks like the last two images on the set of 6. Are you sure? Is there anything you think you would change to make her look more like how she looked in life?

Thanks again

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [Shaine]
Date: Jul 22, 2008 5:10 PM

I found them; however, I don't seem to be able to do anything with them to look at them. There are six small photos on the list you sent, and there are apparently three sets of photos. I downloaded them, and then got nowhere fast. The woman looks like the person in the last two small photos. How do I look at the rest of the photos--can you walk a computer dunderhead through the procedures? A 'puter is a typewriter with a memory and a spell checker.

Shaine

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [dee10134]
Date: 22 Jul 2008, 14:00

Hi Shaine,

I emailed you an image file (jpg) of a bunch of composites some of the other Websleuthers created. I sent it to your yahoo email and it should be there by now. If not, check your junk/spam folder. Let me know if you didn't get it.

Also, I thought you did an excellent write up of the event. So good that reading it gave me the chills.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [Shaine]
Date: Jul 22, 2008 2:56 PM

I would like to see a composite photo. It would be easier for me (I'm not very computer savvy), if you put it on your myspace profile and let me know where it's at.

I'm happy to help you folks.

BTW, What did you think of my write up of the event?

Shaine

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [dee10134]
Date: 22 Jul 2008, 09:53

Everyone at Websleuths is saying a great big THANK YOU for all of your help and for your information (if you haven't been by and seen it yourself)!!!

Also, there is an article on Maricopa Jane Doe in the Phoenix New Times. Here's a link if you were interested in checking it out (WARNING: postmortem pic at link, sorry, kinda used to warning people...): http://phoenixnewtimes. com/2008-07-17/news/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-n
ameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones/ (http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vcGhvZW5peG5ld3RpbWVzLmNvbS8yMDA4LTA3LT E3L25ld3Mvc3V6aS1kb2R0LXMtb24tYS1taXNzaW9uLXRvLXJl dHVybi10aGUtbmFtZWxlc3MtZGVhZC10by10aGVpci1sb3ZlZC 1vbmVzLw==)

[Angie4b1g]

I feel a little weird but yet SO HAPPY!

[dee10134]

Yep, I did that last one! Please let me know what he says to change and I'll get right on it!

ANG he says it's the CLOSEST! You go girl!!! :blowkiss:

:Banane01::Banane04::purplebananna::bananajump::ba nanalama::bananalama::bananalama:

[dee10134]

I feel a little weird but yet SO HAPPY!

GREAT JOB! :clap: Even though it is a little weird...

You beat out the forensic sketch artist... you've got to be a little proud of that!

[Marstan]

I have the same necklace as well-isn't that funny!!!

FMW-you are great to share these with us. Please send me the hospital photo via email and I would appreciate it muchly. Let me know if you need my addy again...


Sorry I don't have the pics of her in the hospital .... yet?

[Cubby]

I have been off the thread for about a week. My 8 year old niece was climbing a tree and a limb broke, was operated on for a broken arm, and later passed away from a bleed in her brain unrelated to the fall. Long story but please keep us in your prayers. She had a breathing tube and now I can understand how MJD's mouth was swollen after her hospital stay. The tubes and tape around my precious niece's mouth and nose made her not look like the same person to me.


auburnmommyof2,

I am so sorry to hear of the loss of such a young member of your family. May her memories carry you and your family through your time of greif.
We will keep you and your family in our prayers. :blowkiss:

[Cubby]

Wow, 1 and 6. 6 kind of freaks me out as the pic is the spitting image of someone I worked with in the Chi town area in the mid 90's. though, she was 18 or 19 at least 4 years prior to our MJD being found.

Dee, do you think if we uploaded the pending not ruled out matches Shaine would be interested in looking at them?

If we can compile a single list, I would be happy to upload them to photobucket for you. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, let's put a list together on the possible match thread.

[Fairy1]

I have been off the thread for about a week. My 8 year old niece was climbing a tree and a limb broke, was operated on for a broken arm, and later passed away from a bleed in her brain unrelated to the fall. Long story but please keep us in your prayers. She had a breathing tube and now I can understand how MJD's mouth was swollen after her hospital stay. The tubes and tape around my precious niece's mouth and nose made her not look like the same person to me.

Oh Auburnmommy - I'm so very sorry. Your family is in my prayers. Stay strong.

[Fairy1]

Shaine says he was the first one on the scene. I highly doubt that he would have taken her purse, then years later mention it to us. I believe he is a credible witness and honestly do believe what he says regarding MJD. I highly doubt that Shaine would have taken this girl's purse.

Shaine mentioned there was someone else there, a college student with a cell phone, who called the police then left. Then Tribal Police arrived on the scene, followed by the paramedics.

I'm assuming that since Shaine saw that there were condoms in her purse that it must have been open and either on her person or very near the vicinity of her body. Shaine says he was with her, holding her hand.

If the purse was on or near her body, maybe the paramedics lost the purse on the way to the hospital (or stole it)? Maybe someone at the hospital took it after she died? Who knows?

I wonder if any of the other witnesses (the truck drivers) could confirm or deny the appearance of a purse as her body flew out of the car?


Dee - I certainly never meant to imply that Shaine took MJD's purse! I'm just saying that it does not appear to be on the list of evidence. I'm grateful to Shaine for the fact that he held her hand and that he is willing to share his experience with us here. :blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

I feel a little weird but yet SO HAPPY!

:clap::clap::clap: You should be very proud Angie! It takes a special skill to bring the dead to life and you did it! Thank you!!!

[Fairy1]

I hate to harp on this - but I do believe MJD's tatoo is a brand of some kind. I strongly feel that it should be rather simple for LE to figure out whose "girl" she was. I have leaned heavily toward Lipsey, but whoever her "boyfriend" was should be simple to figure out. IMO

[VASHLEY88]

Been out for a while-- I'm sooo enthralled that Shaine has been contacted.. and great work on the composite, Angie! When I signed on I was so excited to see how much progress you have all made!


:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I, too, believe her tattoo is a brand of some sort.

[Fairy1]

Been out for a while-- I'm sooo enthralled that Shaine has been contacted.. and great work on the composite, Angie! When I signed on I was so excited to see how much progress you have all made!


:clap::clap::clap::clap:

I, too, believe her tattoo is a brand of some sort.


Great to see you back, Vashley! Missed you! :blowkiss:

[Teresa Larson]

Hi Angie: It was this one:
The 5th one is the forensic artist's sketch and I'm not sure who did the 6th one.

Let me know... :)

Where did photo #3 come from? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

[ArizonaGiGi]

The pics are quite large, so I put them on photobucket. There are the ones I have so far, except that hospital one, I'll send that by email.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

Thanks fmw!!!
re; the tatoo, it looks like maybe she had something else on there first and tried to cover it up with a crude heart. If you look at the bottom of the heart where it should be pointed, you will see a horizontal line. Could be an ititial or name?

[phenolred]

Sorry I don't have the pics of her in the hospital .... yet?



me either waaaa waaaaa Im dying here

[dee10134]

I have been off the thread for about a week. My 8 year old niece was climbing a tree and a limb broke, was operated on for a broken arm, and later passed away from a bleed in her brain unrelated to the fall. Long story but please keep us in your prayers. She had a breathing tube and now I can understand how MJD's mouth was swollen after her hospital stay. The tubes and tape around my precious niece's mouth and nose made her not look like the same person to me.

I am SO very sorry to hear about your niece. My daughter is the same age. God bless her and your family during this time.

[dee10134]

Wow, 1 and 6. 6 kind of freaks me out as the pic is the spitting image of someone I worked with in the Chi town area in the mid 90's. though, she was 18 or 19 at least 4 years prior to our MJD being found.

Dee, do you think if we uploaded the pending not ruled out matches Shaine would be interested in looking at them?

If we can compile a single list, I would be happy to upload them to photobucket for you. If anyone thinks this is a good idea, let's put a list together on the possible match thread.

I think that's a great idea! I will definitely run it past Shaine. If you want to do a compilation of the pending, not ruled out matches and upload it to Photobucket and send me the link, I'll forward it to Shaine.

On a side note, she looks so familiar to me as well. I think that's why I feel the need to give her her name back.

As far as the composites go, #1 kind of looks crudely done (NO offense to whomever did it, I'm just being honest). He first said the last two, which was the "official" forensic artist's sketch and Angie's composite, so I wouldn't rule out the forensic artist's sketch either, since apparently it's close enough for him to say right off the bat, "the last two."

[dee10134]

I had a dream last night about MJD. In my dream, MJD gets in the car on the promise that they'd give her a lift to Tucson. When she finds out they're not going to Tucson, but to Miami instead, she freaks out in the car and starts crying, demanding to get out. This pisses off Alonzo because he was trying to recruit MJD. He tells her, yeah I'll let you out at the next exit, but passes it. She freaks out even further, thinking that her life's in jeopardy. She tells Lindsay that she has to puke, so Lindsay rolls the window down and MJD gets on her lap. Instead of puking, MJD leaps out the window and rolls into the ditch.

Alonzo freaks out in my dream along with Lindsay and says to her, "Did you just f*cking see that?!?! Holy sh!t!" Lindsay's crying and says "Oh my God, what do we do?" Alonzo doesn't want to get in trouble for kidnapping or possible child prostitution so he keeps going. They work out their story in the car, agreeing that they'll tell the cops that they had no idea who the girl was and that she just hopped into the car at the liquor store and wanted a lift to Miami, Florida. Then the cops pull them over and I woke up.

I really shouldn't work on cases before bed. LOL

[believe09]

Yep, I did that last one! Please let me know what he says to change and I'll get right on it!

I am so proud! I knew it was one of yours, no offense to the others who worked so hard. This is the image I have plastered every where as well!!!

[phenolred]

I didn't see shaines semi factual Blog regarding the events he witnessed that day.

Re: the TATT from everything I have seen so far, most of the times the pimps tattoo brand their girls its with a name/nickname. So unless maybe she belonged to someone else at one point and they had tattooed their initials on her, and then later the heart was a cover up as someone else said. Because I just cant see someone getting that one them ON PURPOSE......

its so crudely done....


Re: the ring I think it is a mans ring and she was wearing it like a school girl would wear her boyfriends class ring.

so maybe these intials are an exboyfriend/pimp could they be KC slims initals???

[believe09]

I had a dream last night about MJD. In my dream, MJD gets in the car on the promise that they'd give her a lift to Tucson. When she finds out they're not going to Tucson, but to Miami instead, she freaks out in the car and starts crying, demanding to get out. This pisses off Alonzo because he was trying to recruit MJD. He tells her, yeah I'll let you out at the next exit, but passes it. She freaks out even further, thinking that her life's in jeopardy. She tells Lindsay that she has to puke, so Lindsay rolls the window down and MJD gets on her lap. Instead of puking, MJD leaps out the window and rolls into the ditch.

Alonzo freaks out in my dream along with Lindsay and says to her, "Did you just f*cking see that?!?! Holy sh!t!" Lindsay's crying and says "Oh my God, what do we do?" Alonzo doesn't want to get in trouble for kidnapping or possible child prostitution so he keeps going. They work out their story in the car, agreeing that they'll tell the cops that they had no idea who the girl was and that she just hopped into the car at the liquor store and wanted a lift to Miami, Florida. Then the cops pull them over and I woke up.

I really shouldn't work on cases before bed. LOL

I understand this completely-we are so close in a way that it is that pins and needles feeling...like please God, can we just get this one taken care of??? I was speaking to Christine2448 yesterday about some of the updates on this one, and we agreed that we all need to go an put flowers on her grave if the happy day comes that we can finally get a name on it....plus I want to hug all of you guys for working so diligently!

[Zanko]

I did #1, 2 and 3. Guess I'll keep my day job.

[dee10134]

I didn't see shaines semi factual Blog regarding the events he witnessed that day.

Re: the TATT from everything I have seen so far, most of the times the pimps tattoo brand their girls its with a name/nickname. So unless maybe she belonged to someone else at one point and they had tattooed their initials on her, and then later the heart was a cover up as someone else said. Because I just cant see someone getting that one them ON PURPOSE......

its so crudely done....


Re: the ring I think it is a mans ring and she was wearing it like a school girl would wear her boyfriends class ring.

so maybe these intials are an exboyfriend/pimp could they be KC slims initals???

I think the ring is her pimp's as well. He probably wore it as a pinky ring and gave it to her to be his "girlfriend." If I recall correctly, wasn't there also a cross on her chain as well?

Has anyone ever seen "Pimps Up, Hoes Down?" It used to come on HBO and was a documentary about pimps and prostitutes. It included interviews with Chicago's Bishop Don Magic Juan who was an infamous pimp turned "pastor." The thing that stood out about him was even when he was a pimp, he still "preached" to his hoes. The documentary showed other pimps in action and they appeared to "preach" to their prostitutes too...

The coincidence here is that IF MJD was really wearing a cross on a chain with the man's ring, then maybe there's a biblical connection. Maybe the pimp lured her in by "preaching" to her like Don Magic Juan did to his hoes.

After asking around, someone told me there IS a biblical story of Jacob giving his SIGNET RING to a prostitute. I don't know the full story, so if someone can fill in the blanks, it would greatly help. Maybe there is a connection here?

(And I can't help but get a mental image of Snoop Dogg saying "chuuuch" at the moment.... :slap:)

[dee10134]

I did #1, 2 and 3. Guess I'll keep my day job.

He said 1 was close too! :)

[believe09]

I did #1, 2 and 3. Guess I'll keep my day job.

Don't you dare!!! Didn't Shaine say 1 was close too???

[dee10134]

Don't you dare!!! Didn't Shaine say 1 was close too???

Yeppers! Here's his message:

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: [Shaine]
Jul 22, 2008 9:13 PM

Six is definitely the closest. One and six are very similar. I can't really add anything.


Shaine

[believe09]

OK-for those of you that got the hospital picture..

Can anyone photo-shop a close up of the earrings?

Her hair is yellower and roots much darker as FMW mentioned...I think it is clear that they did not expect her to live from the amount of blood on the sheet, et all.

Her face is thinner than in the ME photos and her ears from the angle of the LE photo are so tiny!! Really delicate. Dark black smeared eye liner and pretty, pretty skin.

I just want to cradle her...

[believe09]

Hey guys-regarding the tattoo-the abrasion below it looks like a bite mark or a hickey to me...

[not_my_kids]

did anyone ever call the Flint MI. police about the Cora Hall thing. I know from experiece that most of the cops here are incompetent, so if anyone wants me to call one of the few good ones for info on Hall I will.

Congrats on how fast you guys have been moving.

[cymster]

I was wondering if I could take a look at the hospital picture too?? Please, pretty please??:)

[fmw63]

Looks to me like Alonzo really wasn't telling the truth about knowing who she was. In the police report, a neighborhood man claims to have seen her with a man who had a car that matches Alonzo's several times...:furious:
I just didn't know until I saw the pic of his car.

[not_my_kids]

Have the teen homeless centers been contacted for info about her? She may have been a hooker when she died, but she was not born that way and she probably wasn't in that line of work when she arrived in the area. So she had to eat, sleep and get medical treatment somewhere for those first few days or weeks before she was snatched up by a pimp. So who has been contacted and who hasn't? I have stamps, envelopes, unlimited calling and a lot of spare time. Just point me in a direction.

[believe09]

Number one...did we ever get pictures of the ring?
Number two...did anyone ever call the Flint MI. police about the Cora Hall thing. I know from experiece that most of the cops here are incompetent, so if anyone wants me to call one of the few good ones for info on Hall I will.

Congrats on how fast you guys have been moving.

It can't hurt to call, but I think that she is ruled out based on the ME report-she does NOT have a scar on her neck. She didn't even require a trach so there would really have been nothing obstructing a clear view of the scar. JMO.

The ring is in the latest set of photos by FMW...

[not_my_kids]

In martial arts training they teach you t curl your head upwards and extend your arms when taking a fall. THey also teach you to try to land on your back whenever possible. That way your back and your shou.lders take the impact...it has been said that she didn't put her arms out to catch herself. Maybe because that instinct had been overridden though martial arts training where she was taught to fall properly. Just a thought, but it would give us some background to work with.

[believe09]

In martial arts training they teach you t curl your head upwards and extend your arms when taking a fall. THey also teach you to try to land on your back whenever possible. That way your back and your shou.lders take the impact...it has been said that she didn't put her arms out to catch herself. Maybe because that instinct had been overridden though martial arts training where she was taught to fall properly. Just a thought, but it would give us some background to work with.

True and thank you for the perspective. To me, it looks like she hit on the back of her head, which is also why she may have not put her hands down...if she was face up when she went out of the window.

If she was face down when she went out, I kinda feel like she would have put her hands down, or rolled into a ball...whatever. She had no broken bones except from C1 up...she had like a shearing, twisting fracture in her upper back/neck and then skull fractures at the base of her skull. It was almost as if her neck and spine were separated at the brain stem...am I saying this correctly?

[fmw63]

The cross pendant has been added...
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

[dee10134]

The cross pendant has been added...http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg



Wow! That sucker looks expensive! Someone REALLY loved this girl to give her jewelry like this (or they were grooming her for working for them). Or maybe she worked hard and bought it for herself. Either way, it's a beautiful cross.

[Lucy's mom]

auburnmommyof2,

I am so sorry to hear of the loss of such a young member of your family. May her memories carry you and your family through your time of greif.
We will keep you and your family in our prayers. :blowkiss:

I'm so sorry for your loss. Prayers to you and your family! :blowkiss:

[Lucy's mom]

How do we get a pix of the hospital photo? Should I PM someone?

Thanks!

[believe09]

I think the signet ring looks like a male's as well because it is an East/West design which is maybe not that common for a female...the script is feminine however...jmo.
The cross is interesting-I have to believe the jeweler could have estimated the carat weight for the detective and it is hard to tell from the picture. Was it bought from a pawn shop? I wonder if that was ever checked out?

[fmw63]

How do we get a pix of the hospital photo? Should I PM someone?

Thanks!

Anyone else? Just send me your email address.

[Lucy's mom]

Thank you for sending the photo to me FMW63! :blowkiss:

So, viewing this photo shows me some things:

1. I think she bleaches her hair. Her roots are darker and she hasn't had her hair bleached in probably a couple of months. I think the regrowth is about 1 1/2 inches. What's weird though is before the dark roots, I do see blond hair on the right side right on the line. I also think that maybe she has naturally wavy hair.

2. As we have all said before, perfectly manicured eyebrows that are also light brown/brown.

3. Lips look very swollen. It doesn't look natural. I think what auburnmommy2 said a few posts ago is what I think might have happened to her lips. The tubes, etc. made them swollen.

4. You can tell she was wearing quite a bit of eye makeup as it is all streaked on her face. She still has on the dark eyeliner.

These were just my thoughts. I feel very sad and mad for this poor girl. :mad:

[Lucy's mom]

BTW, does anyone know where and if she was buried? :confused:

[Marstan]

http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
And yes, the seats were pushed back.

I was looking at the picture of the backseat area. Does it not look like there is no backseat whatsoever? Also, the seats in the front are not even, the driver's seat being up closer to the steering wheel and the passenger seat further back and the dohickey in the middle (console?) is in the down position whiich to me, indicates MJD may have, in fact, been in the back area of the car.

It still does not look like a real seat was in the back tho.. LALALALAND:bang:

[Marstan]

BTW, does anyone know where and if she was buried? :confused:

She was buried in an area close to Sheriff Joe's tent city. Prisoners dug her grave, I will have to go back and read the newspaper article, as the ME mentioned where she was buried,

[dee10134]

I think the signet ring looks like a male's as well because it is an East/West design which is maybe not that common for a female...the script is feminine however...jmo.
The cross is interesting-I have to believe the jeweler could have estimated the carat weight for the detective and it is hard to tell from the picture. Was it bought from a pawn shop? I wonder if that was ever checked out?

I thought the detective said it was probably a man's ring?

Either way, the engraving is a standard engraving type. If you check out this site and click on "Click for Engraving Styles," you'll see the exact type of engraving found on this ring: Silverware Script.

http://www.jewelbasket.com/jbdrsig72803.html

[cali_mommy]

i cant see the pic:confused:
iam so sorry, i see the pic just fine.:confused: well i added it to my albums so u can look there if u want. the witness said pic 6 was the best likeness, and that's the pic i used to add the make-up.

[believe09]

I thought the detective said it was probably a man's ring?

Either way, the engraving is a standard engraving type. If you check out this site and click on "Click for Engraving Styles," you'll see the exact type of engraving found on this ring: Silverware Script.

http://www.jewelbasket.com/jbdrsig72803.html

Thanks-I appreciate the clarification. Once a hundred years ago I worked for Reed and Barton. For those of you that are unfamiliar with them, they are one of the oldest silver makers in the US, primarily known for flatware and silver plate dishes. ("Holloware.") We would engrave for all occasions, but 9/10 engravings for a male would be block of some kind vs script. Just my experience...we did money clips, card cases, cigarette cases etc...

[Lucy's mom]

Hey guys-regarding the tattoo-the abrasion below it looks like a bite mark or a hickey to me...
I thought it looked more like maybe a birth mark? Perhaps an old scar? Or just throwing this out there, perhaps it was another tattoo before. Maybe from her former pimp and it was removed in a note so nice way?

[Lucy's mom]

She was buried in an area close to Sheriff Joe's tent city. Prisoners dug her grave, I will have to go back and read the newspaper article, as the ME mentioned where she was buried,
Thank you Marstan. I missed that.

[dee10134]

She was buried in an area close to Sheriff Joe's tent city. Prisoners dug her grave, I will have to go back and read the newspaper article, as the ME mentioned where she was buried,

I sure as hell hope Alonzo was one of those prisoners and he dug it with a spoon. :furious:

[dee10134]

I thought it looked more like maybe a birth mark? Perhaps an old scar? Or just throwing this out there, perhaps it was another tattoo before. Maybe from her former pimp and it was removed in a note so nice way?

It looked like a bruise to me. Almost like a bruise you'd get when someone punches you.

[dee10134]

I thought it looked more like maybe a birth mark? Perhaps an old scar? Or just throwing this out there, perhaps it was another tattoo before. Maybe from her former pimp and it was removed in a note so nice way?

It looked like a bruise to me. Almost like a bruise you'd get when someone punches you. Is it listed on the autopsy report...

[fmw63]

I was looking at the picture of the backseat area. Does it not look like there is no backseat whatsoever? Also, the seats in the front are not even, the driver's seat being up closer to the steering wheel and the passenger seat further back and the dohickey in the middle (console?) is in the down position whiich to me, indicates MJD may have, in fact, been in the back area of the car.

It still does not look like a real seat was in the back tho.. LALALALAND:bang:

The back seat is there - it's quite low near the floor. The pic where you can see the red/blue envelope was taken from above facing the back, apparently after items had been removed for cataloging.

The other pic was taken at angle from left rear to front right. The carpeted grey boxes are cheap speakers sitting on the back seat, the brown leather thing may be a suitcase, not the armrest. The CaseLogic thing, probably a cassette carrier.

[Marstan]

I went back to find the information about where she was buried and I think I might have dreamed it. I could not find the information at all about where the UID's are buried.

[Lucy's mom]

I went back to find the information about where she was buried and I think I might have dreamed it. I could not find the information at all about where the UID's are buried.
The only reason I ask is I was watching a ducmentary and learned that in some UID cases, they keep the remains refrigerated for a period of time. I'm sure that 9 1/2 years is too long for MJD whihc made me wonder where she is.

[dee10134]

Thanks-I appreciate the clarification. Once a hundred years ago I worked for Reed and Barton. For those of you that are unfamiliar with them, they are one of the oldest silver makers in the US, primarily known for flatware and silver plate dishes. ("Holloware.") We would engrave for all occasions, but 9/10 engravings for a male would be block of some kind vs script. Just my experience...we did money clips, card cases, cigarette cases etc...

I agree.

[dee10134]

The back seat is there - it's quite low near the floor. The pic where you can see the red/blue envelope was taken from above facing the back, apparently after items had been removed for cataloging.

The other pic was taken at angle from left rear to front right. The carpeted grey boxes are cheap speakers sitting on the back seat, the brown leather thing may be a suitcase, not the armrest. The CaseLogic thing, probably a cassette carrier.

I think that's a CaseLogic CD case.

[VASHLEY88]

It looked like a bruise to me. Almost like a bruise you'd get when someone punches you. Is it listed on the autopsy report...


Regarding the bruise, at first I thought it may have been her areola/nipple area. But the more I look at it, it does look like a bruise. I should mention that I have a tattoo on my.. erm.. breast area as well and I experienced a little bit of bruising underneath and around it a few days after I had gotten it. Perhaps her tattoo was recently done? Just a thought. But it really does look more like the areola, IMO. Perhaps that's why it was never put on the website.

[christine2448]

Wow! That sucker looks expensive! Someone REALLY loved this girl to give her jewelry like this (or they were grooming her for working for them). Or maybe she worked hard and bought it for herself. Either way, it's a beautiful cross.

How can you even see it?

We should have all these pics and links in one thread..not the grahic one. Yeah?

[believe09]

How can you even see it?

We should have all these pics and links in one thread..not the grahic one. Yeah?

They have been going onto the picture thread as well-I am glad FMW is hitting us with them here as well, though!!! I am getting burned out from the Brooke Bennett thread and the Caylee Anthony thread lol...I need to be spoonfed information at this point!!

[Teresa Larson]

I have a cross exactly like that one. It was about $200 when it was bought for me in about 1999. Was it ever checked to see if it was real diamonds? I don't remember. It was probably a gift since pimps keep most of the money from the girls they pimp out. Would someone please send me the pictures from the hospital? bblady@msn.com Thanks!

[eleven]

I am a long-time lurker on this thread....don't remember if I ever posted.


Regarding her purse.....I work in a hospital and the standard operating procedure is that any items that the patient cannot retrieve themselves, they go in the safe in the security office, where they stay until claimed. I have seen MANY instances of items languishing in the safe in security for years and years. Has anyone contacted the security department at the hospital to see if it's still there? Seems silly, I know....but it does happen.

ETA: This may have already been linked here.....a story on this case from the New Times.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-07-17/news/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones/5

[Fairy1]

I am a long-time lurker on this thread....don't remember if I ever posted.


Regarding her purse.....I work in a hospital and the standard operating procedure is that any items that the patient cannot retrieve themselves, they go in the safe in the security office, where they stay until claimed. I have seen MANY instances of items languishing in the safe in security for years and years. Has anyone contacted the security department at the hospital to see if it's still there? Seems silly, I know....but it does happen.

ETA: This may have already been linked here.....a story on this case from the New Times.

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-07-17/news/suzi-dodt-s-on-a-mission-to-return-the-nameless-dead-to-their-loved-ones/5

Hello and welcome eleven! Thank you for your valuable insight! Does anyone have an established contact at the hospital?

[VASHLEY88]

Hello and welcome eleven! Thank you for your valuable insight! Does anyone have an established contact at the hospital?

I'll call and ask, unless we have someone here who has already..

Scottsdale-Osborne, right? I'm assuming I would contact administration or security?..

ETA

I found a general information hotline for Scotts-Osb hospital: General Information 480-323-3000

I can try calling this number and asking

[Fairy1]

I'll call and ask, unless we have someone here who has already..

Scottsdale-Osborne, right? I'm assuming I would contact administration or security?..

ETA

I found a general information hotline for Scotts-Osb hospital: General Information 480-323-3000

I can try calling this number and asking

Would you??? I consider you our medical specialist! :blowkiss:

[believe09]

Would you??? I consider you our medical specialist! :blowkiss:

Ditto-Let me be a tad fresh for a moment..."would you mind checking the safe for a white purse that may be filled with condoms?"

I would think that LE would have confiscated it and dusted for prints to see if our friends AF or LDJ might have had their hands on or in it...like did they throw it out the window afterwards??

Maybe this was a straight robbery? They were struggling over the money in her purse for the tricks she had turned that day???

[Fairy1]

Ditto-Let me be a tad fresh for a moment..."would you mind checking the safe for a white purse that may be filled with condoms?"

I would think that LE would have confiscated it and dusted for prints to see if our friends AF or LDJ might have had their hands on or in it...like did they throw it out the window afterwards??

Maybe this was a straight robbery? They were struggling over the money in her purse for the tricks she had turned that day???

I do think this is worth pursuing - though logic says LE would have done this already. However, logic does not seem to be entirely at play in this case. I honestly do not think any of the authorities involved believed MJD would remain unidentified for this long. We need new LE eyes here! Someone who gives a cr*p! I just looked at her hospital photo and I'm more determined than ever to find out who she is! I am truly beginning to believe that Alonzo literally got away with murder, but that is not going to help us in determining who MJD is. It's difficult to stay focused on identifying her when many of us believe that she was basically murdered.

[christine2448]

going to bed, can't function. I have spent the better part of my night glancing at the 2 pics, side by side on my screen, morg vs hosp...........Color me crazy :crazy::crazy: but it appears that she has grey in her roots??? Is it a camera trick?

[Fairy1]

going to bed, can't function. I have spent the better part of my night glancing at the 2 pics, side by side on my screen, morg vs hosp...........Color me crazy :crazy::crazy: but it appears that she has grey in her roots??? Is it a camera trick?


Goodnight Christine! :blowkiss:

[VASHLEY88]

going to bed, can't function. I have spent the better part of my night glancing at the 2 pics, side by side on my screen, morg vs hosp...........Color me crazy :crazy::crazy: but it appears that she has grey in her roots??? Is it a camera trick?

Night! And I noticed the same thing. To me, it actually looks like she has ash blonde hair (naturally), and she had dyed it brown and bleached the top of it, something popular that my sister and her friends did in the 90's.

She has many different uneven colors in her hair, which to me looks like she has probably dyed her hair a lot. She has some "muddy" textures in it in the hospital pic, different browns.. from ashy brown tones to peroxide blonde.

[Fairy1]

:confused:Night! And I noticed the same thing. To me, it actually looks like she has ash blonde hair (naturally), and she had dyed it brown and bleached the top of it, something popular that my sister and her friends did in the 90's.

She has many different uneven colors in her hair, which to me looks like she has probably dyed her hair a lot. She has some "muddy" textures in it in the hospital pic, different browns.. from ashy brown tones to peroxide blonde.


I don't notice any gray. But honestly, we don't know if she went from brown to blonde or blonde to brown - originally. Who knows? Brown hair with blue eyes is relatively rare. Seems odd to me that so much of her was well cared for - except her hair.

[Teresa Larson]

I think it might be possible since it looks like there was lots of blood that some of the discolorations in her hair could be from dried blood, antiseptic soap etc. The poor thing It makes me sick to think that she died at the hospital all alone. I hope that when we do ID her that somebody has been looking for her and that she wasn't a child somebody just neglected and gave up on. If she was a prostitute she had to have had a terrible life. I was going to say a terrible life growing up but she hadn't even got the chance to grow up.

[Fairy1]

I think it might be possible since it looks like there was lots of blood that some of the discolorations in her hair could be from dried blood, antiseptic soap etc. The poor thing It makes me sick to think that she died at the hospital all alone. I hope that when we do ID her that somebody has been looking for her and that she wasn't a child somebody just neglected and gave up on. If she was a prostitute she had to have had a terrible life. I was going to say a terrible life growing up but she hadn't even got the chance to grow up.

Awww. This makes me so sad.

[eleven]

Ditto-Let me be a tad fresh for a moment..."would you mind checking the safe for a white purse that may be filled with condoms?"

I would think that LE would have confiscated it and dusted for prints to see if our friends AF or LDJ might have had their hands on or in it...like did they throw it out the window afterwards??

Maybe this was a straight robbery? They were struggling over the money in her purse for the tricks she had turned that day???

Actually, one would THINK that it would've been confiscated by LE, however, I can tell you for a fact that the process of patient belongings being turned in to security in the emergency room isn't usually something that is even noted in the medical chart. I don't know why....but it's true. Sure, security normally has to get a signature from whoever is turning the item in, but that could've been anyone from an RN, an ER tech, an admitting clerk, or EMS personnel.

If there isn't any record of LE having the purse and it's contents, then it's safe to assume that they didn't confiscate it.....right?

[Fairy1]

Actually, one would THINK that it would've been confiscated by LE, however, I can tell you for a fact that the process of patient belongings being turned in to security in the emergency room isn't usually something that is even noted in the medical chart. I don't know why....but it's true. Sure, security normally has to get a signature from whoever is turning the item in, but that could've been anyone from an RN, an ER tech, an admitting clerk, or EMS personnel.

If there isn't any record of LE having the purse and it's contents, then it's safe to assume that they didn't confiscate it.....right?

I know that purse is not listed as evidence on the police report. Condoms on the side of the road are listed. I also know that the car - while it was impounded - was compromised. That Pi**es me off! I do not believe LE went all out in their original investigation. They probably figured she was just another hooker. She was - maybe! - 15 or 16 years old. WTH? She was a baby and Alonzo - whatever happened in that car - is directly or indirectly - responsible for her death!

[youshouldveknown]

Hi, I'm new to the board, but I've been reading for a really long time; especially this particular case. I hope you don't mind me coming in so late.



The poor thing It makes me sick to think that she died at the hospital all alone.

I'm a nursing student with only 4 classes to go before I graduate. I know what you mean when you say she was all alone. She wasn't surrounded by family and friends. But the ICU nurses who took care of her and watched over her for the last hours of her life should count for something. If the nurses that cared for her are anything like the ICU nurses that I've met and learned from, then she wasn't alone.

Also, I'm amazed at the progress that has been going on recently. I remember reading about Lindsey's Myspace somewhere along the way. I think it wasn't sure if it was the same girl. Has anyone tried to contact that person to see? If so, was there a response? I'm sure I read it, but I can't remember how it turned out.

I would also like to see the hospital pictures. Is there any way that someone could upload it to photobucket separate from the other album and post a link? That way, those who don't want to see it can pass it by, and those who do don't have to bother anyone for an email or PM? My email address is sodapop1008@hotmail.com if someone would like to email it to me.


So we know what she was wearing. We've seen the jewelry. I think the only way we'll find out her identity is if we can get Alonzo or Lindsey to talk. Or, of course, if someone recognizes her. Is there anyway that maybe someone who lives locally could print up the composites and maybe start at the location she was picked up at? I know they said a lot of prostitutes came through there and that was why no one really remembered her.

Have LE tried asking known prostitutes in the area if they knew her or who she worked for?

Sorry for all of the questions. I'm just really interested in this case.

[youshouldveknown]

I know that purse is not listed as evidence on the police report. Condoms on the side of the road are listed. I also know that the car - while it was impounded - was compromised. That Pi**es me off! I do not believe LE went all out in their original investigation.

I agree with you. I want to know why her shoes were in the back seat if she was sitting in the middle, also. Maybe I'm looking at the pictures wrong.

[Teresa Larson]

:confused:


I don't notice any gray. But honestly, we don't know if she went from brown to blonde or blonde to brown - originally. Who knows? Brown hair with blue eyes is relatively rare. Seems odd to me that so much of her was well cared for - except her hair.


I have 3 older children with brown hair and blue eyes so it's not that rare My husband also had dark hair and blue eyes He was 100% Irish :)

[Teresa Larson]

Maybe they weren't her shoes?? What I noticed is that they seemed big for a small girl like MJD Could they have been Lindsey's :waitasec: MJD might have been in the back seat. The only thing we know for sure is she was in the car. We have two different versions from the truck driver. In the police report they stated that the passenger in the truck saw them all in the front seat I just read that now he said one was in the back seat :confused:

[believe09]

I agree with you. I want to know why her shoes were in the back seat if she was sitting in the middle, also. Maybe I'm looking at the pictures wrong.

Welcome, youshouldhaveknown!!! I am so glad you are with us lending your perspective-it comforts me to think she was surrounded by loving care when she died.

The witness that dee has been communicating with indicated that she was not in the middle, I believe...and that there was a clear struggle going on in the front seat of the vehicle. If the shoes are hers, I can imagine her carrying them to the vehicle in her hand after her last encounter, which I assume was at the home they all stopped at for a while before they hit the highway. That doesn't mean that is what happened; I can just see it.

My dad was "black irish" as well, and I have ash-brown hair and light blue eyes...unfortunately or fortunately I have a lot of gray as well, lol! I like it but that is o/t.

As far as the hospital picture, her hair is saturated with blood and iodine/mecurachrome...but as Vashley and I discussed via email earlier, she looks to be much thinner than her post-mortem weight. We think she swelled a whole lot...and clearly her face did.

[fmw63]

has been moved to its own folder.


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg

[christine2448]

Just heard a message about needed pic of Lipsey.

My ideas on how to get....contact LE we have been working w/in other cases believe? Jackman (GA).and his very NICE partna, Stangrecki (PA), Emily, (GBI), who else might pull us a favor?

Another thought...what's the guys name, Sherriff Bob, Joe, something. He is the sherriff in this county, ask him to help us out. He could get us pic, maybe talk to him, maybe get someone in the jail to work him over.

Have I brought this up before?:crazy:

[christine2448]

has been moved to its own folder.
http://i373.photobucket.com/albums/oo172/TMMJD/MJD_ID_TawniLee.jpg
/ (http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/MJD99305/MJD%20-%20Hospital/)

Thanks for everything!

[dee10134]

:confused:


I don't notice any gray. But honestly, we don't know if she went from brown to blonde or blonde to brown - originally. Who knows? Brown hair with blue eyes is relatively rare. Seems odd to me that so much of her was well cared for - except her hair.

My mother has dark brown hair with blue eyes, as do all of her siblings, except for an uncle that got brown eyes along with the brown hair.

My father was blonde with blue eyes, even though his father had black hair and blue eyes (grandma was blonde/blue).

I ended up with light brown hair and blue eyes. My brother got dark brown hair with blue eyes.

I never really thought it was rare, probably because of how common it is in my family... LOL

[not_my_kids]

The bruise on her breast looks to me, imo, like it could heve come from something she had around her neck or inside her bra when she hit the road. Almost like something was pushed against the skin in that spot. Another possibility from looking at it is that it's from the buckle on a seat belt.
I don't think that has anything to do with the tattoo, my fiancee is a tattoo artist and if it were still new enough to cause bruising, it also would have caused redness around the outside and there would have still been a scab over the top. A light scab but it would have been visible.

[fmw63]

Maybe they weren't her shoes?? What I noticed is that they seemed big for a small girl like MJD Could they have been Lindsey's :waitasec: MJD might have been in the back seat.

The detective told me he confirmed with Lindsey that the shoes weren't hers (Lindsey's).

[fmw63]

I'm probably still a week away from getting the photo cd, but I plan on printing out the ones with the jewelry and taking them to a shop or two to see if there's anything about the style of it that may identify a brand or origin.

[SLY]

I am a long-time lurker on this thread....don't remember if I ever posted.

~Snip
O/T Strange for a "sleuther" to NOT KNOW if they have EVER posted here.
In the upper right of your post will show you how many post you've made total & you can also go to your profile and find where and what you have posted.

Hope this helps.

Sly

[SLY]

I never really thought it was rare, probably because of how common it is in my family... LOL
~Snip
You are correct, it is NOT rare at all. My bio mom and all her many Brothers & Sister, & her mom have/had (my Auntie recently died) JET BLACK hair with the most intense BLUE EYES. My 2 blood sisters have dark brown hair with blue eyes. I have (natural) dark auburn hair with pale blue eyes.

Sly

[dee10134]

I'm probably still a week away from getting the photo cd, but I plan on printing out the ones with the jewelry and taking them to a shop or two to see if there's anything about the style of it that may identify a brand or origin.

Didn't the detectives take the jewelry to a jeweler to confirm that it is real?

[dee10134]

Shaine is willing to check out the pictures of our possible matches and see which, if any, most resemble MJD. Someone was going to email me the pics or a compilation of pics.

Whomever was going to do this (sorry, I forgot) can you please email them to my yahoo email? If you don't have it, PM me and I'll send it to you. Thanks again!

[SLY]

Wow Dee, it's sure be sad if LE didn't try to get info on the jewelery!

Gosh, I know some LE thinks prostitutes as just throw aways but how could they feel that way about one so very young, if in fact that was the way this case was handled?

Sly

[Cubby]

Shaine is willing to check out the pictures of our possible matches and see which, if any, most resemble MJD. Someone was going to email me the pics or a compilation of pics.

Whomever was going to do this (sorry, I forgot) can you please email them to my yahoo email? If you don't have it, PM me and I'll send it to you. Thanks again!


Hi Dee, it was me who suggested having Shaine look at the possible matches.

Because they are on a few seperate threads I am not going to be able to put this together until Saturday at the earliest. Via photobucket.

I will go ahead and do this, but I have to honestly say after seeing the hospital picture and going through them, sadly I doubt any are a match.

If someone else has the time to get it done sooner go for it.

[VASHLEY88]

I zoomed in the Guess sandals as much as I could and sharpened the image and it almost looks as if the red area just to the right of the Guess logo is a circular shape with the size "7" in the center. That's a pretty standard size for a girl MJD's height, IMO. But I could be wrong, I don't have the best vision in the world!

[fmw63]

Didn't the detectives take the jewelry to a jeweler to confirm that it is real?

I think it was an evidence technician that took them for "photography purposes (from the police report).

[eleven]

Sorry if this has already been brought up....the pic with the shoes has an envelope that looks like it is addressed to some "studio" on McDowell Rd in Phoenix. Any ideas?

Ya'll have probably discussed this before...

ETA: Found it...it is for Crossland Economy Studios (extended stay) Suites at 4861 W. McDowell Rd in Phoenix. Can anyone see the return address info on the envelope, or the date?

[Lucy's mom]

Sorry if this has already been brought up....the pic with the shoes has an envelope that looks like it is addressed to some "studio" on McDowell Rd in Phoenix. Any ideas?

Ya'll have probably discussed this before...
Phenolred figured this one out a few days ago...

Crossland Economy Studios Phoenix - West
4861 W. McDowell Rd.
Phoenix, AZ 85035
Telephone: (602) 272-8571
Fax: (602) 272-8627
PHW@extendedstay.com

[eleven]

Thanks, Lucy's Mom...

Anyone able to figure out the return address?

[youshouldveknown]

Thank you all for the warm welcome and for sending me the picture. fmw beat me to the link ;) Hope it works out best.

I tend to believe she was in the back seat as well. Why sit in the middle when there's a whole backseat?

Does anyone know where this hotel is located? Hookers tend to live out of hotels. Maybe the envelop was in her purse and fell out? I think it would be cool if someone local could take a composite to the hotel and just see... I wish I lived closer.

[fmw63]

Thank you all for the warm welcome and for sending me the picture. fmw beat me to the link ;) Hope it works out best.

I tend to believe she was in the back seat as well. Why sit in the middle when there's a whole backseat?

Does anyone know where this hotel is located? Hookers tend to live out of hotels. Maybe the envelop was in her purse and fell out? I think it would be cool if someone local could take a composite to the hotel and just see... I wish I lived closer.

The back seat was full of stuff...

The hotel is on another main road, north of Van Buren.

[VASHLEY88]

Thank you all for the warm welcome and for sending me the picture. fmw beat me to the link ;) Hope it works out best.

I tend to believe she was in the back seat as well. Why sit in the middle when there's a whole backseat?

Does anyone know where this hotel is located? Hookers tend to live out of hotels. Maybe the envelop was in her purse and fell out? I think it would be cool if someone local could take a composite to the hotel and just see... I wish I lived closer.

I also agree that she was probably in the back seat. If those were her shoes, how did they end up back there? She must've been really comfortable to get in the front seat and toss her shoes back there if that's what happened. I think she took them off and climbed over the "console" area. Not that it would identity her, that's just what I envision. Although the backseat was crammed with stuff, so I don't know why she'd be sitting back there. The only reason I think it's important to know if she was sitting in the backseat or frontseat is that it would have been a discrepancy in the story-- and probably many more..

Did the police report ever say where MJD was sitting? I can't recall.

[Teresa Larson]

I do not think any of the possible matches look like MJD :-( I also think the jewelry is pretty basic stuff that you can get at any jewelry store except for the initials being on the ring. LE did check the jewelry out.