Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #5

[christine2448]

Please continue here.

Links to previous and similar threads can be found towards the bottom of the page.

[Taximom]

((NancyFriend)) My heart goes out to you, her friends, and her family.

Sadly, I think the reason we can figure out this case/Brad is that we've seen this too many times before. :(

[RR0004]

Nancy's friend...you're all in our thoughts and prayers. Anything you need, just give a holler.

[miss lisa]

Don't know how to do a link but I just saw over on Foxnews that Nancy's family had the girls in their custody last night and they are doing well.

[Aimee729]

(NancysFriend) Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

[miss lisa]

It got awfully quiet in here all of a sudden! Wonder what happened :shocked2:

[NC-Curious]

I was wondering the same thing.

[courtney]

We had to work for a bit. :)

[headndownstream]

In thread #4 this morning, someone asked me a question about BC's property and if a change was made on a given date? I was trying to catch up here and now, I tried, but my computer is so slow today, and I gave up hunting back for the question. I think the answer to your question is 'no'. You can look yourself, google 'wade county' then click real estate I think. Search last name first, first name last. You'll get whatever info is with the county on real estate. Let me know if you have any other questions?

[calidreamin]

Nancyfriend I am so sorry you and the rest of your friends have lost such a special person. My condolenses to you.

[calidreamin]

It got awfully quiet in here all of a sudden! Wonder what happened :shocked2:
I just had to take my boys swimming in the yard for a while, it was killing me too, the whole time I was thinking oh no I bet I am going to miss something lol.:crazy:

[Taximom]

I just had to take my boys swimming in the yard for a while, it was killing me too, the whole time I was thinking oh no I bet I am going to miss something lol.:crazy:

Oh noooo, you are officially a WS True Crime Addict as of today! :eek: Welcome to the club. :grouphug:

[Tigerlily]

Hello,
It has been a very long time since I posted here but this case has brought me back. This tragedy happened so close to me and I have a very good friend who knew Nancy, she was actually a very close friend of another one of our mutual friends who no longer lives in Cary and my friend had been to many social events with her friend and Nancy in the past and said she was a very sweet, very smart woman.

I live in Greensboro, NC, just a little less than 2 hours from Cary/Raleigh area. I have 2 close friends that live in Cary neighborhoods that look identical to the one where this happened that I have emailed to see if they knew her or what they know being in that community. It is tragic, just devastating for these 2 baby girls and that whole family.

From the little I know from my friend, everything that's been printed is dead on. The friend told my friend there were problems in the marriage, and rumors of adultry. That's all I know.

I have always been interested in cases like this and followed the Laci Peterson case (when I posted regulary) closely. I always said my interest in these cases stemmed from the notion that it could easily be someone I know or a friend that this sort of thing happened to...now this time, it almost was. By six degrees of separation at least. And to my friend, it really did happen to someone she knew. It's just hitting way too close to home this time.

And I have not read every single posting but I saw some people posting about the murders from Fort Bragg and this...the two towns are really not that close and I don't believe they're related at all. To me, this again sounds like another case of a husband killing the wife and using the "jogging" story to make it sound like a random killing. But that is just my gut feeling.

Anyway, I am glad to be back on here and will post if my Cary friends know anymore info.

[calidreamin]

Oh noooo, you are officially a WS True Crime Addict as of today! :eek: Welcome to the club. :grouphug:

Lol I guess it has finally come to this my friend lol:blowkiss:

[stillblv]

After watching a bit on the press conference this morning where a journalist asked the question "What would you say to the killer of Nancy?" and her father said that it was an extreme act of cowardice to take away a family member and mother and to own up to the crime.

What I thought was telling is he didn't say "and wife". Am I reading too much into this?

[stillblv]

I just had to take my boys swimming in the yard for a while, it was killing me too, the whole time I was thinking oh no I bet I am going to miss something lol.:crazy:

You need to get wireless so you can sit outside with your kids and check the website! LOL

[calidreamin]

Hello,
It has been a very long time since I posted here but this case has brought me back. This tragedy happened so close to me and I have a very good friend who knew Nancy, she was actually a very close friend of another one of our mutual friends who no longer lives in Cary and my friend had been to many social events with her friend and Nancy in the past and said she was a very sweet, very smart woman.

I live in Greensboro, NC, just a little less than 2 hours from Cary/Raleigh area. I have 2 close friends that live in Cary neighborhoods that look identical to the one where this happened that I have emailed to see if they knew her or what they know being in that community. It is tragic, just devastating for these 2 baby girls and that whole family.

From the little I know from my friend, everything that's been printed is dead on. The friend told my friend there were problems in the marriage, and rumors of adultry. That's all I know.

I have always been interested in cases like this and followed the Laci Peterson case (when I posted regulary) closely. I always said my interest in these cases stemmed from the notion that it could easily be someone I know or a friend that this sort of thing happened to...now this time, it almost was. By six degrees of separation at least. And to my friend, it really did happen to someone she knew. It's just hitting way too close to home this time.

And I have not read every single posting but I saw some people posting about the murders from Fort Bragg and this...the two towns are really not that close and I don't believe they're related at all. To me, this again sounds like another case of a husband killing the wife and using the "jogging" story to make it sound like a random killing. But that is just my gut feeling.

Anyway, I am glad to be back on here and will post if my Cary friends know anymore info.
welcome back tigerlilly it is great to have you back:blowkiss:

[calidreamin]

You need to get wireless so you can sit outside with your kids and check the website! LOL

Lol that you said that I have been buggin my husband to buy me one. I will break him down one of these days.:crazy:

[maconrich]

I'm way behind and trying to catch up. The custody information surprised me but it has to be a comfort knowing the children are safe - and will stay safe. If Brad turns out to be innocent things can be worked out, but in the meantime those babies need to be with their Auntie and Grandparents...

Now, what's bothering me is that shovel that was briefly mentioned (somewhere in one of yesterday's threads)... Has anything else been said about it and was it confirmed that Brad did turn it over to investigators?? Nightmares of Nancy walking into a dark house after the party made it very hard for me to sleep last night. And while I had been more inclined to think that if anything happened it was during the heat of an argument, I'm having a hard time shaking that mental image...


Once again I want to express my heartfelt sympathy to Nancy's loved ones...

[Blink34]

I copied this from thread 4 as in a blink (heh heh no relation) the other thread closed and I wanted to acknowledge.

From Nancy friend:

Yes, I've been here off and on. The new information and posts on this site come so quickly I have not been able to keep up with all the posts.

Nancy's friends have been keeping busy. We had several therapists & counselors volunteer to talk about discussing Nancy's murder with our kids. My wife and I did that last night. It went well and I'm very grateful for the advice I received here and from the professional therapists. We are also trying to plan remembrance events for Nancy, and a fund to collect donations for Nancy's kids. For anyone interested in that, I'll be sure to post that info when it becomes available.

With the custody hearings, a lot of the awful details are starting to come out. The details border on unbelievable, and it still has not sunken in that "this" really happened.

I'd also like to mention that I appreciate the civility of this forum, and I'm truly amazed at how accurate many of the posters are (especially Blink34, fran, and seriouslysearching).

Blink's response:
Bless you and your family for supporting Nancy and her children. I want you to know it really does matter, really makes a difference in their healing and that of your community. I'm glad you and those closest to her circle are here.

[Taximom]

Tigerlilly, welcome back although I'm sorry it's under these circumstances. It pains me that another true friend, loving mom, and overall decent person has been killed by someone she loved at one time. This brings back all the memories of Laci, Michelle Young, and so many others we've covered here. I'm really sorry it hits close to home for you. That has to be really difficult.

I just hope the message is getting out to be wary of your spouse if you are in this type of marital situation (and even worse, pregnant). (Not that Nancy was pregnant.)

[athy]

why can't it be some of these darn child abusers that are the ones killed!!!!

[philamena]

:(

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5iigPKisqwPK2b5krG8SL9zz8lKPg

Twin tearfully remembers former Edmonton woman slain in N.C. as 'best friend

CARY, N.C. — The sister of a former Edmonton woman whose body was found at a North Carolina construction site tearfully remembered her twin as her "best friend" and "soulmate."
At a news conference Thursday in Cary, N.C., Khrista Lister said her sister, Nancy Cooper, was her biggest supporter and her biggest fan

[JDB]

TigerLilly welcome back :blowkiss:
The more I think about this case the more I really think she was murdered Friday Night after the party or in the wee hours of Sat. and here is why.
Friends said Nancy was not herself at the party that Friday night. Which I think says she had something on her mind. This is what we heard she recently went to visit family in canada and was not allowed to take the kids.
We have heard no reports that anyone saw Nancy jogging on Sat. Why?

I think after visiting her family and being at the party Nancy decided she would tell him she wanted him to leave after she came home from the party and he went nuts.
STrangled or suffocated her No BFT there would have been splatter. New about the new sub divison being build and knew not many living there yet. Drove down to the end of the cul-de-sac with no lights on. Dipsoed of Nancy and then if the story is true about the store stopped and picked up cleaning supplies. All the time the 2 kids are fast asleep.

[Tigerlily]

Thank you all for the welcome back. I am still waiting to hear from my friends in Cary.

This really does hit so close to home for me, and it's not just proximity. I cannot stop crying and thinking about those little girls. I have a 2-yr-old daughter now and she so needs and loves me, mommy, so much at this stage that the thought of how she would be if I were ripped away from her breaks my heart and it makes me think how those 2 little girls must be feeling. I know kids at any stage would be devasted with the loss of a parent, especially a senseless murder, but I cannot stop thinking of how the little toddler brain works and just really wants mommy and cannot really comprehend the true loss so young. Thank God the twin sister and family has these girls now.

[RR0004]

Holy moly...I can't even get through all the previous posts on the other threads...but I did want to chime in on the ex parte issue with the loss of custody. In my state, the spouse can go to court and claim whatever he likes about the "danger" the other spouse presents to the children, and the judge, weighing the seriousness of the allegations made, and whether there's substantiation, can remove that parent from the home and assign full custody to the spouse requesting it. The person who is having the allegations lodged against them doesn't get notified of this court proceeding. If the judge concurs, the order is signed and LE presents it and the other spouse is then escorted out of their home. Yes, they are entitled to a hearing...and it's generally a couple of weeks after the initial emergency order is made, but they can seek counsel and request an "emergency hearing" within a couple of days to address the claims. Now, I realize the grandparents and aunt are in this case not the "spouse", but indirectly they are representing Nancy.

[swimmom]

TigerLilly welcome back :blowkiss:
The more I think about this case the more I really think she was murdered Friday Night after the party or in the wee hours of Sat. and here is why.
Friends said Nancy was not herself at the party that Friday night. Which I think says she had something on her mind. This is what we heard she recently went to visit family in canada and was not allowed to take the kids.
We have heard no reports that anyone saw Nancy jogging on Sat. Why?

I think after visiting her family and being at the party Nancy decided she would tell him she wanted him to leave after she came home from the party and he went nuts.
STrangled or suffocated her No BFT there would have been splatter. New about the new sub divison being build and knew not many living there yet. Drove down to the end of the cul-de-sac with no lights on. Dipsoed of Nancy and then if the story is true about the store stopped and picked up cleaning supplies. All the time the 2 kids are fast asleep.

I think you are correct, but I would like to add my opinion on after/before he went to the store, he drove through a car wash. Preferably one that does not have surveillance cameras. Clean car...no dirt in tires or under car, could even vacuum it out if he wanted to. If there is little or no blood in the house, and nothing in the cars, what does he have to fear for people searching the house? It would also be much easier to dress a body that is not bleeding. IMO

[tarheelfan78]

I have spent the last hour or so trying to catch up but I wanted to let Nancyfriend know that his(I think this was established earlier) family, friends, and Nancy's family have constantly been in my prayers.

[Blink34]

Holy moly...I can't even get through all the previous posts on the other threads...but I did want to chime in on the ex parte issue with the loss of custody. In my state, the spouse can go to court and claim whatever he likes about the "danger" the other spouse presents to the children, and the judge, weighing the seriousness of the allegations made, and whether there's substantiation, can remove that parent from the home and assign full custody to the spouse requesting it. The person who is having the allegations lodged against them doesn't get notified of this court proceeding. If the judge concurs, the order is signed and LE presents it and the other spouse is then escorted out of their home. Yes, they are entitled to a hearing...and it's generally a couple of weeks after the initial emergency order is made, but they can seek counsel and request an "emergency hearing" within a couple of days to address the claims. Now, I realize the grandparents and aunt are in this case not the "spouse", but indirectly they are representing Nancy.

As usual, RR is right :) I dug out the ole LSAT notes, and it varies by state. In some, you may be entitled to file exparte without notification and/or the right to appear at it. In some states it is different. However, as you point out, it is generally reserved for spouse or legal guardians of record.
I will say that in the limited research I have had time to do, I could NOT find a single other case where grandparents in a state that does not represent their rights to visitation or custody of a child with a living parent, were granted an ex parte order AND allowed to leave the US.
I get the whole parens patriae and best interest of child and am thrilled to see it, I would LOVE to get a copy of the transcript of the actual hearing

[Blink34]

I think you are correct, but I would like to add my opinion on after/before he went to the store, he drove through a car wash. Preferably one that does not have surveillance cameras. Clean car...no dirt in tires or under car, could even vacuum it out if he wanted to. If there is little or no blood in the house, and nothing in the cars, what does he have to fear for people searching the house? It would also be much easier to dress a body that is not bleeding. IMO

Isnt it correct he allowed them to search the house and cars pre-warrant?
A better description would be to "look around", but I thought I read that

[wherego]

It pains me that another true friend, loving mom, and overall decent person has been killed by someone she loved at one time. .

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.

[calidreamin]

TigerLilly welcome back :blowkiss:
The more I think about this case the more I really think she was murdered Friday Night after the party or in the wee hours of Sat. and here is why.
Friends said Nancy was not herself at the party that Friday night. Which I think says she had something on her mind. This is what we heard she recently went to visit family in canada and was not allowed to take the kids.
We have heard no reports that anyone saw Nancy jogging on Sat. Why?

I think after visiting her family and being at the party Nancy decided she would tell him she wanted him to leave after she came home from the party and he went nuts.
STrangled or suffocated her No BFT there would have been splatter. New about the new sub divison being build and knew not many living there yet. Drove down to the end of the cul-de-sac with no lights on. Dipsoed of Nancy and then if the story is true about the store stopped and picked up cleaning supplies. All the time the 2 kids are fast asleep.

That makes a whole lot of sense JDB. She got home, an argument ensude and he killed her. In my mind if he had planned it I would think he would have already had the cleaning supplies ahead of time.

[calidreamin]

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.

Why so hostile?:confused:

[JDB]

That makes a whole lot of sense JDB. She got home, an argument ensude and he killed her. In my mind if he had planned it I would think he would have already had the cleaning supplies ahead of time.

I do not think it was planned.It happened at the spur of the moment. But within a blink of a second it can be premeadiated.The strange part is this case has the Peterson case the cutts case all combined.

One thing I forgot where is this Mystery lady Carrie? U would think she would have been found. Now the weird part and maybe I read wrong but did not he say her friends know this Carrie also? But no one but him has mentioned her.

[RR0004]

As usual, RR is right :) I dug out the ole LSAT notes, and it varies by state. In some, you may be entitled to file exparte without notification and/or the right to appear at it. In some states it is different. However, as you point out, it is generally reserved for spouse or legal guardians of record.
I will say that in the limited research I have had time to do, I could NOT find a single other case where grandparents in a state that does not represent their rights to visitation or custody of a child with a living parent, were granted an ex parte order AND allowed to leave the US.
I get the whole parens patriae and best interest of child and am thrilled to see it, I would LOVE to get a copy of the transcript of the actual hearing
What will really be interesting to see is if he does in fact contest it. The grandparents used the powerball and won this round. It was a smart legal maneuver...especially as I'm sure they wanted to bring the children to Canada for the funeral. BC would not necessarily have to agree to that...so they struck him with the custody order. As it happened last night, I'm sure it was no doubt done close to 5pm. Then there's no chance for an immediate appeal. Unfortunately, men in divorce cases have been known to use this ex parte approach to get the wife out of the house.

[Blink34]

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.

Wherego-
I responded at length to one of your posts yesterday, actually carrying it to a second thread to make sure you saw it. I find it interesting that you elected not to respond to it, yet post such an antagonistic question to taximom when there are up to 200 viewers on this thread at a time over the last few days. I am trying to understand why that is your only contribution to what amounts to hundreds of pages of posts, and Miss TaxiMom' opinion is shared by the majority- why?

[Blink34]

What will really be interesting to see is if he does in fact contest it. The grandparents used the powerball and won this round. It was a smart legal maneuver...especially as I'm sure they wanted to bring the children to Canada for the funeral. BC would not necessarily have to agree to that...so they struck him with the custody order. As it happened last night, I'm sure it was no doubt done close to 5pm. Then there's no chance for an immediate appeal. Unfortunately, men in divorce cases have been known to use this ex parte approach to get the wife out of the house.

LOL- 4:47PM to be exact, old trick- I still commend the judge, it's unusual and I cant find a precedent-

[tarheelfan78]

WTVD 11 is reporting that the crime scene tape is gone from the house what exactly is the next step?

[wicket]

This is so reminescent of Laci's - Scott cleaned up also. Nancy sounds like just a sweetheart of a person and mother -thankfully the two girls have good and loving grandparents and family to surround them with love. They will need this unconditional love for years to come.
Is there an epidemic in this country against women? It's so similar to open hunting season in the fall - where do these men get the idea that they can just erase a person from the face of the earth? We just had the Entwistle case here and that one shook everyone to the core.
I'm very grateful that I survived a bad marriage and wonder too if I could have been a statistic. I was blind to the danger - thinking it wouldn't ever happen to me. How close I came a few times - he's dead now at his own hands.
Good for your LE in NC that are working very hard behind the scenes to dot the i's and cross the t's.

[calidreamin]

I do not think it was planned.It happened at the spur of the moment. But within a blink of a second it can be premeadiated.The strange part is this case has the Peterson case the cutts case all combined.

One thing I forgot where is this Mystery lady Carrie? U would think she would have been found. Now the weird part and maybe I read wrong but did not he say her friends know this Carrie also? But no one but him has mentioned her.

Carrie is still a mystery to me also. I know her husband said that was who she was running with that morning. But to what I have followed so far has nothing about her. Maybe he made carrie up?

[Blink34]

I do not think it was planned.It happened at the spur of the moment. But within a blink of a second it can be premeadiated.The strange part is this case has the Peterson case the cutts case all combined.

One thing I forgot where is this Mystery lady Carrie? U would think she would have been found. Now the weird part and maybe I read wrong but did not he say her friends know this Carrie also? But no one but him has mentioned her.
The legal burden is to form intent, which given any assaulting activity can lead to death, will be pretty easy to prove. It is the aggravating circumstances that add the "other" if there are any.. (lying in wait, I dont know the criminal statutes in NC)

[calidreamin]

WTVD 11 is reporting that the crime scene tape is gone from the house what exactly is the next step?
They take it all back to the lab and get as much forensics as possible from what was seized.

[traveler]

Hi, I usually just lurk and I'm sorry if this link has already been posted (I hope I'm posting it right) - It's the link to the custody papers filed yesterday. One thing listed that I find disturbing is that Brad never notified Nancy's parents that she was missing.
Also, #9 "upon information and belief, Nancy Cooper never went jogging on July 12, 2008". I really tried to give him the benefit of the doubt until I read this document.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/1216322668-20080717151650387.pdf

[RR0004]

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.
ITA...no one has been charged in this case...but you must admit, it doesn't look good for BC.

[Blink34]

Carrie is still a mystery to me also. I know her husband said that was who she was running with that morning. But to what I have followed so far has nothing about her. Maybe he made carrie up?

I addressed this last thread but I know alot of you are just getting back on- I read that Ms. Adams was aware of a friend named Carrie that Nancy had, but had not met her personally. I think when she told B that she did not have her contact info or last name and needed it and he said he would look for it and hung up- her antannae of doom went up. Good for her, they may not have found her for a while.

[momto3kids]

I posted about the shovel. The shovel was NOT from his home but in a wooded area very close to location where we all met for the search, as well as where much construction is taking place. My understanding is police determined it was a construction site item left behind.

I was asking the forum why would Brad go to an area that had been scoured already and somehow make a shovel discovery. This is all new to me so I am also asking questions to understand what someone like this is trying to do. I am looking for guidance and help as well, like so many others. I was asking for opinions from more seasoned members on the board if Brad would plant a shovel, was he trying to make it look like he is trying to be of help, or was the shovel ironic to be left behind by someone in construction?

One of the persons who was present when the shovel was discovered is having nightmares, just thinking they would find Nancy right in front of them. This person also had a conversation with Brad in the woods until Brad revealed himself then these 2 people panicked. All they keep saying is, "what if the police weren't there?" I don't know why we keep encountering facts pertaining to this case, but is has occured and now we have to deal with it. If the nightmares don't cease I know counseling is in order.

This is my original post:

I have to ask the members who follow cases like this closely....why would Brad lead the police to a shovel he found while he did a search on Monday?? My understanding is it was one left behind from some construction and not a key piece of evidence. This was a location I am sure was combed time and time again. Why would it just appear or not be seen sooner? At the time the person spoke to him they did not know it was Brad. A conversation took place and then Brad revealed who he was with a handshake. It has freaked this person out.

I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.

[headndownstream]

I wanted to say to Nancysfriend, and friends who are reading this, that I am so very sorry you have had to endure this horrible event. She's probably smiling down with love for you all.

[calidreamin]

I addressed this last thread but I know alot of you are just getting back on- I read that Ms. Adams was aware of a friend named Carrie that Nancy had, but had not met her personally. I think when she told B that she did not have her contact info or last name and needed it and he said he would look for it and hung up- her antannae of doom went up. Good for her, they may not have found her for a while.

Thank you Blink for catching me up, I did miss that:blowkiss:.

[Taximom]

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.

LOL In time, wherego, in time.

[Blink34]

They take it all back to the lab and get as much forensics as possible from what was seized.

If it was released he can go back, not like he will-but his attorney may be advising him to. One of the finding of fact items on the custody order stated the house is unihabitable due to the warrant.

[RR0004]

Hi, I usually just lurk and I'm sorry if this link has already been posted (I hope I'm posting it right) - It's the link to the custody papers filed yesterday. One thing listed that I find disturbing is that Brad never notified Nancy's parents that she was missing.
Also, #9 "upon information and belief, Nancy Cooper never went jogging on July 12, 2008". I really tried to give him the benefit of the doubt until I read this document.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/1216322668-20080717151650387.pdf
You must also realize these are the feelings of the family. It's time now for LE to substantiate what "information" this is based on. In-laws never take too kindly to the man/woman that are causing their child pain in a divorce. Couple that with the fact that their daughter has been killed, I can't even imagine what they must be feeling towards this man. My prayers are with Nancy and her family.

[RR0004]

I posted about the shovel. The shovel was NOT from his home but in a wooded area very close to location where we all met for the search, as well as where much construction is taking place. My understanding is police determined it was a construction site item left behind.

I was asking the forum why would Brad go to an area that had been scoured already and somehow make a shovel discovery. This is all new to me so I am also asking questions to understand what someone like this is trying to do. I am looking for guidance and help as well, like so many others. I was asking for opinions from more seasoned members on the board if Brad would plant a shovel, was he trying to make it look like he is trying to be of help, or was the shovel ironic to be left behind by someone in construction?

One of the persons who was present when the shovel was discovered is having nightmares, just thinking they would find Nancy right in front of them. This person also had a conversation with Brad in the woods until Brad revealed himself then these 2 people panicked. All they keep saying is, "what if the police weren't there?" I don't know why we keep encountering facts pertaining to this case, but is has occured and now we have to deal with it. If the nightmares don't cease I know counseling is in order.

This is my original post:

I have to ask the members who follow cases like this closely....why would Brad lead the police to a shovel he found while he did a search on Monday?? My understanding is it was one left behind from some construction and not a key piece of evidence. This was a location I am sure was combed time and time again. Why would it just appear or not be seen sooner? At the time the person spoke to him they did not know it was Brad. A conversation took place and then Brad revealed who he was with a handshake. It has freaked this person out.

I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.
I don't know what transpired in the conversation, but if you feel there is something that he (BC) said that should be reported to LE...then please do so. It sounds as if these friends were very scared.

[ckwood32]

Oh, they have already had the trial?
Perhaps you will share with us who the jury convicted.
wow wherego - I've never seen a poster on here like you. Everyone is entitled to their opinions - if you don't like it - go to another board. These are great people on here and they DO give people the benefit of the doubt. Sorry - but in this case - pretty obvious who the killer is. You need to re-read from day one all of these posts - and every other case - posters here do weigh the evidence.

[headndownstream]

mom, I'm glad you reposted as I missed the original one. I kept wondering about a shovel. So it is common knowledge in Cary that BC found a shovel in the search, but that it is not key evidence, right? However, the question being pondered upon is, did he plant it or was it just missed by previous searchers, right?

[JDB]

I addressed this last thread but I know alot of you are just getting back on- I read that Ms. Adams was aware of a friend named Carrie that Nancy had, but had not met her personally. I think when she told B that she did not have her contact info or last name and needed it and he said he would look for it and hung up- her antannae of doom went up. Good for her, they may not have found her for a while.

Blin34 But did that come from Mrs Adams mouth or his?

[RR0004]

LOL- 4:47PM to be exact, old trick- I still commend the judge, it's unusual and I cant find a precedent-
And..I never read the order...go figure.
Unfortunately, I know this all too well. Wished I didn't.

[Blink34]

I posted about the shovel. The shovel was NOT from his home but in a wooded area very close to location where we all met for the search, as well as where much construction is taking place. My understanding is police determined it was a construction site item left behind.

I was asking the forum why would Brad go to an area that had been scoured already and somehow make a shovel discovery. This is all new to me so I am also asking questions to understand what someone like this is trying to do. I am looking for guidance and help as well, like so many others. I was asking for opinions from more seasoned members on the board if Brad would plant a shovel, was he trying to make it look like he is trying to be of help, or was the shovel ironic to be left behind by someone in construction?

One of the persons who was present when the shovel was discovered is having nightmares, just thinking they would find Nancy right in front of them. This person also had a conversation with Brad in the woods until Brad revealed himself then these 2 people panicked. All they keep saying is, "what if the police weren't there?" I don't know why we keep encountering facts pertaining to this case, but is has occured and now we have to deal with it. If the nightmares don't cease I know counseling is in order.

This is my original post:

I have to ask the members who follow cases like this closely....why would Brad lead the police to a shovel he found while he did a search on Monday?? My understanding is it was one left behind from some construction and not a key piece of evidence. This was a location I am sure was combed time and time again. Why would it just appear or not be seen sooner? At the time the person spoke to him they did not know it was Brad. A conversation took place and then Brad revealed who he was with a handshake. It has freaked this person out.

I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.

Sorry Mom, I did address, but with so many threads and of course them closing and continuing, it is tough.
I would want to know more about the conversation in the woods and more specific info about how Brad "discovered" the shovel to be more specific, I'm not sure I have enough. My earlier response with limited info was it could be that Brad maybe was just seeking recognition as helping in the search, or is it possible that he used it for something and his dna was on it and this would be logical?
What I find intersting about your post is that your friends/volunteers were afraid of Brad aparently BEFORE anyone suspected him- what do you make of that?
Lastly- you are ALL going through an unusual, traumatic experience and are personally connected. Counseling is in order for all of you, imo. Specifically, events like this can cause PTSD in some, which can be serious. First thing I would say is to take a break, be with your family without this on your mind, refresh and come back as you see fit. As much as we like your insight, your emotional well being comes first.

[jilly]

As usual, RR is right :) I dug out the ole LSAT notes, and it varies by state. In some, you may be entitled to file exparte without notification and/or the right to appear at it. In some states it is different. However, as you point out, it is generally reserved for spouse or legal guardians of record.
I will say that in the limited research I have had time to do, I could NOT find a single other case where grandparents in a state that does not represent their rights to visitation or custody of a child with a living parent, were granted an ex parte order AND allowed to leave the US.
I get the whole parens patriae and best interest of child and am thrilled to see it, I would LOVE to get a copy of the transcript of the actual hearing

I'm back!:crazy: Thanks to RR this is what I was trying to say. I am a retired family court clerk but I live in Canada, so thought things might be different in the States.
When you think about it, it makes sense that the defendant would not be served with this ex parte (one sided) motion. The Plaintiff's are asking for custody of this man's children. They are also alleging that the defendant is unstable. If the allegations are true then who's to say once he receives notice of hearing of a motion for custody that he doesn't abscond with the children or even worse do harm to them. Best to err on the side of caution - remove the children and argue about it later which the defendant will have the right to do.
The ex parte order is only temporary. Brad has been served with a copy of this Order and supporting documents. A full hearing has been scheduled.

[Blink34]

Blin34 But did that come from Mrs Adams mouth or his?

IIRC, correctly Mrs. Adams. It did not come from Brad

[Coolmomof4]

I just found something in the Wake County records regarding their house and the financing. I'm not sure I am allowed to post details here. But they apparently made a big decision to increase their equity line of credit on their house just in Feb.08 Not sure what if anything it means.

[JDB]

IIRC, correctly Mrs. Adams. It did not come from Brad

Thanks but still strange Carrie has not come forward:crazy:

[Blink34]

mom, I'm glad you reposted as I missed the original one. I kept wondering about a shovel. So it is common knowledge in Cary that BC found a shovel in the search, but that it is not key evidence, right? However, the question being pondered upon is, did he plant it or was it just missed by previous searchers, right?

Was the shovel taken into evidence or put back?

[RR0004]

I'm back!:crazy: Thanks to RR this is what I was trying to say. I am a retired family court clerk but I live in Canada, so thought things might be different in the States.
When you think about it, it makes sense that the defendant would not be served with this ex parte (one sided) motion. The Plaintiff's are asking for custody of this man's children. They are also alleging that the defendant is unstable. If the allegations are true then who's to say once he receives notice of hearing of a motion for custody that he doesn't abscond with the children or even worse do harm to them. Best to err on the side of caution - remove the children and argue about it later which the defendant will have the right to do.
The ex parte order is only temporary. Brad has been served with a copy of this Order and supporting documents. A full hearing has been scheduled.
I thought as much, but for the life of me I have no clue how to pull a post over from another thread (NTW...I'll eventually learn!)

[RR0004]

I just found something in the Wake County records regarding their house and the financing. I'm not sure I am allowed to post details here. But they apparently made a big decision to increase their equity line of credit on their house just in Feb.08 Not sure what if anything it means.
Somebody could have been thinking of buying the other person out of the house.

[Blink34]

Thanks but still strange Carrie has not come forward:crazy:

Im not sure why she would, my guess would be LE asked her not to talk. Until trial that is, when she will say she was not jogging with Nancy nor did she have any plans to. I have contemplated that I wondered if she may be the other woman and Brad said she was with her to point the finger.

((The above statement is my meager, sleuthing opinion and invite all trolls to know that I do not have any food for you!! ))

[JDB]

Was the shovel taken into evidence or put back?

If I read right. The PD thinks it was left by the construction crew and never took it

[RR0004]

Thanks but still strange Carrie has not come forward:crazy:
Heck, I wouldn't if I were her.

[Blink34]

Somebody could have been thinking of buying the other person out of the house.

LOL, ROTFL, Le better not be reading this we are ALL going to end up with a subpoena. Great find. Note she sought the advice of counsel on March 10. I bet that stupid SOB increased the equity line to reduce the equity in the house to make it difficult to sell, she found out, thus the suicide threat.

[Blink34]

Heck, I wouldn't if I were her.

Hell if my name were Carrie and I lived within an hour of Cary I would change it.

[petra]

Carrie is still a mystery to me also. I know her husband said that was who she was running with that morning. But to what I have followed so far has nothing about her. Maybe he made carrie up?

Posted link by wolfpackfan, way back on first thread.


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1140988.html

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Adam said that Cooper was supposed to join her Saturday morning at Adam’s house to help paint her dining room. The friends had a deal: Cooper was going to help paint; then Adam was going to help Cooper organize her house. Both were runners, training for the Rock’n’Roll Half Marathon on Aug. 31 in Virginia Beach, Va.
When Cooper didn’t show up, Adam called Brad Cooper. She said he told her that his wife had gone for a run with a friend, but he wasn’t sure which friend. Adam said he later called to say he thought the friend was someone named Carrie and wanted to know whether Adam knew how to contact Carrie.
Adam knew someone by that name but said she didn’t know the woman’s last name and did not have her phone number. Cooper said he was going to continue looking for Carrie’s phone number and hung up, Adam said. Adam said she felt that something had gone wrong and called police. Cary police said Monday that Brad Cooper =======================

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Good article, early days but worth a read....

[Blink34]

I thought as much, but for the life of me I have no clue how to pull a post over from another thread (NTW...I'll eventually learn!)

I just cut and paste the old one and ID it in the title. Unless it is one that makes me wrong or look bad in which case it's against the rules..:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:, my dearest RR..

[headndownstream]

:leaf2: The leaf is in honor of Canada, the family's country

[tarheelfan78]

I thought exactly the same thing!!!
Im not sure why she would, my guess would be LE asked her not to talk. Until trial that is, when she will say she was not jogging with Nancy nor did she have any plans to. I have contemplated that I wondered if she may be the other woman and Brad said she was with her to point the finger.

((The above statement is my meager, sleuthing opinion and invite all trolls to know that I do not have any food for you!! ))

[Blink34]

:leaf2: The leaf is in honor of Canada, the family's country

What a lovely gesture and honor to the Rentz family and young Cooper babies, and of course, Nancy.

[Coolmomof4]

Somebody could have been thinking of buying the other person out of the house.

Could be. But looking at all of the records, they refinanced several years in a row after buying the home in 01, then took out an equity line and increased it several years in a row. It could mean that they did have money trouble, even though he appeared to have a well-paying job.

[RR0004]

Hell if my name were Carrie and I lived within an hour of Cary I would change it.
heeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!heeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

[Aimee729]

Has anyone heard if his (BC) family has come to help support him? Wasn't his brother supposed to be coming in?

[momto3kids]

I wouldn't think it was key evidence since the police told the searchers to continue looking, but I do not know. They chose to leave after the mental thought of thinking it could be Nancy and then finding out it was Brad they were also talking to. I have no idea how many are aware of this incident on Monday since many of us by that time were sent to the nature park to search. It was pouring so some others went home to wait the storm out.
It was an absolute down pour at certain times Monday afternoon.

[Class-z]

I do not think it was planned.It happened at the spur of the moment. But within a blink of a second it can be premeadiated.The strange part is this case has the Peterson case the cutts case all combined.

One thing I forgot where is this Mystery lady Carrie? U would think she would have been found. Now the weird part and maybe I read wrong but did not he say her friends know this Carrie also? But no one but him has mentioned her.

You forgot Mark Hacking with the jogging story. :)

[Blink34]

Could be. But looking at all of the records, they refinanced several years in a row after buying the home in 01, then took out an equity line and increased it several years in a row. It could mean that they did have money trouble, even though he appeared to have a well-paying job.

Cool mom- Im not sure if you caught up on last thread about the fact that Brad was witholding $$ from Nancy- I took that to mean he was in control of the finances, and he had a very well paying job. Was there a substantial increase in Feb, like to match the value with an unusal LTV %

[RR0004]

LOL, ROTFL, Le better not be reading this we are ALL going to end up with a subpoena. Great find. Note she sought the advice of counsel on March 10. I bet that stupid SOB increased the equity line to reduce the equity in the house to make it difficult to sell, she found out, thus the suicide threat.
Ok (you give me way too much credit!)...but I was thinking to pay her her share of the house...don't think he can raise the line without her approval if her name was on the house btw. Not knowing what their mortgage is...what their line of credit was...don't know if the house had enough equity to do that. For all we know, they agreed to do it so they can pay for their attorneys.

[Blink34]

I wouldn't think it was key evidence since the police told the searchers to continue looking, but I do not know. They chose to leave after the mental thought of thinking it could be Nancy and then finding out it was Brad they were also talking to. I have no idea how many are aware of this incident on Monday since many of us by that time were sent to the nature park to search. It was pouring so some others went home to wait the storm out.
It was an absolute down pour at certain times Monday afternoon.

I guess Im not clear on how exactly he presented the shovel, and then why the volunteers felt "scared" after talking to Brad in the woods prior to anyone suspecting him or finding Nancy. Are you saying that in the local minds he was always a suspect?

[NC-Curious]

Either way, it doesn't seem Nancy benefited from any of the funds.

[Blink34]

Ok (you give me way too much credit!)...but I was thinking to pay her her share of the house...don't think he can raise the line without her approval if her name was on the house btw. Not knowing what their mortgage is...what their line of credit was...don't know if the house had enough equity to do that. For all we know, they agreed to do it so they can pay for their attorneys.

RR, yes there's alot of what if's , but considering what we know now that she had no access to $$ and she consulted an attorney 30 days later, somethings rotten in Denmark. Also the suicide threat in Winter?
This guys a new breed in bottom feeder, imo.

[RR0004]

momto3kids...some of us have "guts"...some of us have "hinky meters'...some of us "just know"...what are you feeling right now?

[Blink34]

Either way, it doesn't seem Nancy benefited from any of the funds.

Very true in every way, I know we are supposed to believe she's at peace and away from this guy, blah blah, Im just pretty far from that frame of mind yet. I'm at the "looking at my husband funny" and seeing if we have an abundance of bleach in the laundry room all of a sudden. Tragic

[jilly]

What will really be interesting to see is if he does in fact contest it. The grandparents used the powerball and won this round. It was a smart legal maneuver...especially as I'm sure they wanted to bring the children to Canada for the funeral. BC would not necessarily have to agree to that...so they struck him with the custody order. As it happened last night, I'm sure it was no doubt done close to 5pm. Then there's no chance for an immediate appeal. Unfortunately, men in divorce cases have been known to use this ex parte approach to get the wife out of the house.

I agree it will be interesting to see if he contests it. Hmmm shall we say, if he hasn't been charged by July 25th, he will, and if he's charged, he might consent to a temporary custody order until he's found not guilty?:crazy:

You bring up another valid point - the "funeral". Do you think the parents are talking about a memorial in Canada or do you think Brad has signed his wife's body over to them.:confused:

[Coolmomof4]

Cool mom- Im not sure if you caught up on last thread about the fact that Brad was witholding $$ from Nancy- I took that to mean he was in control of the finances, and he had a very well paying job. Was there a substantial increase in Feb, like to match the value with an unusal LTV %

Yes, I did see that, which is one reason why I found it interesting that the house has been refinanced so many times. They were refinancing the home loan AND increasing the equity line as well. In Feb 08, the equity line was increased from 24K to 79K. That seems to be a lot if they are having problems. I do see looking at it now that before then, it was 05 when they refi'd. The records are sometimes hard to follow.

My point is, what has become of the money since then? Ownership interest in the house has not been transferred in the months following the equity line increase... since they were not separated yet as it would show up in these records.

Just another angle.

[headndownstream]

Back in thread two, a new poster Calgary123 (don't know how I remembered the ID) introduced himself; he had shared a space with Brad and gave some good extrospection about BC's personality years ago. I hope he comes back, it was interesting.

[Blink34]

I agree it will be interesting to see if he contests it. Hmmm shall we say, if he hasn't been charged by July 25th, he will, and if he's charged, he might consent to a temporary custody order until he's found not guilty?:crazy:

You bring up another valid point - the "funeral". Do you think the parents are talking about a memorial in Canada or do you think Brad has signed his wife's body over to them.:confused:

The order states it will be in Canada and the children will attend.
He does not have to wait to contest it until the 25th though, he can seek his own ex parte order on grounds, but he won't, and I predict he will be in jail by 7/25.

[Aimee729]

Thursday, July 17, 2008
Private Candlelight Vigil

A candlelight vigil and remembrance is planned for Friday evening, but it is private and by invitation only.

A memorial service is in the works, we'll post details as soon as they are ironed out.

Other ways to honor Nancy are being discussed, but frankly we're all pretty exhausted and might need some time to grieve privately and be with our families.

The family have asked that all the flyers be removed and taken down (which I haven't seen any today, so that may already be well accomplished) and that it would be a welcome gesture to tie a white ribbon around a tree as a memorial gesture.

http://nancycooper.blogspot.com/

[RR0004]

RR, yes there's alot of what if's , but considering what we know now that she had no access to $$ and she consulted an attorney 30 days later, somethings rotten in Denmark. Also the suicide threat in Winter?
This guys a new breed in bottom feeder, imo.
Well, I do know if both of their names were on the equity line then she could have written checks for funds (without his permission). Been there, done that...got the bruises. It's amazing what money you can come up with when they're not looking...but it's not fun...and if she were pulling money out that way (and my attorney gave me his blessing)...trust me BC WOULD NOT BE PLEASED!

[Coolmomof4]

LOL, ROTFL, Le better not be reading this we are ALL going to end up with a subpoena. Great find. Note she sought the advice of counsel on March 10. I bet that stupid SOB increased the equity line to reduce the equity in the house to make it difficult to sell, she found out, thus the suicide threat.

I was thinking something similar, although she ALSO signed the papers.

[Blink34]

Yes, I did see that, which is one reason why I found it interesting that the house has been refinanced so many times. They were refinancing the home loan AND increasing the equity line as well. In Feb 08, the equity line was increased from 24K to 79K. That seems to be a lot if they are having problems. I do see looking at it now that before then, it was 05 when they refi'd. The records are sometimes hard to follow.

My point is, what has become of the money since then? Ownership interest in the house has not been transferred in the months following the equity line increase... since they were not separated yet as it would show up in these records.

Just another angle.
Exactly, if you take the loan and the equity line does it pretty much equal appraised value?

[Carrington]

My guess Brad was using their home to finance his hobby.

[Blink34]

Well, I do know if both of their names were on the equity line then she could have written checks for funds (without his permission). Been there, done that...got the bruises. It's amazing what money you can come up with when they're not looking...but it's not fun...and if she were pulling money out that way (and my attorney gave me his blessing)...trust me BC WOULD NOT BE PLEASED!

Not if he maxed it out she couldn't, you crack me up. LOL..

[christine2448]

NOTE. I noticed while catching up in the previous thread posters have brought posts in their ENTIRETY from TOPIX. This is NOT allowed UNLESS you have permission from poster whom you are copying. What you CAN do is bring a snip then link to post, that we will allow. (good stuff found and brought over btw ;) )

[momto3kids]

Blink34...I hear you and the questions you are asking. The way he presented the shovel is he came up an embankment right next to the car they were sitting in waiting for another searcher to come back. It was raining so they chose to sit in the car while waiting. When he passed the car with the police they chose to go down the hill to see what was happening. Within a short time Brad backed out of the wooded area where they were standing and told them what he had just found. He also mentioned being eaten up and was scratching all over. They are absolutely positive he was in shorts, long sleeve shirt and cap since he was doing this in front of them.
Remember...our apprehension was higher in our home than any others since we knew about the store incident. No one else knew about this until I posted it. That is reason in itself for any family or friend of mine to be a little spooked to speak to Brad. JMO

[Blink34]

NOTE. I noticed while catching up in the previous thread posts have brought posts in their ENTIRETY from TOPIX. This is NOT allowed UNLESS you have permission from poster whom you are copying. What you CAN do is bring a snip then link to post, that we will allow. (good stuff found and brought over btw ;) )

Sorry to be the posting dolt but I am not sure I know what you mean, if I'm not the offender, dont need to respond, thanks Christine.

[christine2448]

Sorry to be the posting dolt but I am not sure I know what you mean, if I'm not the offender, dont need to respond, thanks Christine.

I am sorry, wrong thread :crazy: :bang:

[momto3kids]

RR0004...please explain what you are asking? I am missing the main question you are asking.

[Blink34]

Blink34...I hear you and the questions you are asking. The way he presented the shovel is he came up an embankment right next to the car they were sitting in waiting for another searcher to come back. It was raining so they chose to sit in the car while waiting. When he passed the car with the police they chose to go down the hill to see what was happening. Within a short time Brad backed out of the wooded area where they were standing and told them what he had just found. He also mentioned being eaten up and was scratching all over. They are absolutely positive he was in shorts, long sleeve shirt and cap since he was doing this in front of them.
Remember...our apprehension was higher in our home than any others since we knew about the store incident. No one else knew about this until I posted it. That is reason in itself for any family or friend of mine to be a little spooked to speak to Brad. JMO

OOOh- got that, I forgot about the timing on that. I must have got this wrong, I thought it was posted that the shovel was leaning up along side the building somewhere, are you saying he found it when no-one saw him personally but witnessed him bringing it up the embankment and they put it back thinking it was left there by construction?

[Callistolee]

WRAL just used the phrase "partially clothed". Is this the first mention of this?

[Blink34]

I am sorry, wrong thread :crazy: :bang:

:blowkiss: That kinda day for all...

[RR0004]

Not if he maxed it out she couldn't, you crack me up. LOL..
Now, if he did THAT...your point is VERY valid, my friend. Do it before anything is filed and Nancy would be SOL. Does not sound like there was much of anything pleasant happening in that house. But, if she didn't trust her husband...would she ever leave for Canada without her children? (BTW, was that in fact proven to be true?)
March-July is a very long time in marital hell. I so feel for this young woman and her beautiful little girls.

[Blink34]

WRAL just used the phrase "partially clothed". Is this the first mention of this?
that I am aware of, yes.

[Aimee729]

NOTE. I noticed while catching up in the previous thread posters have brought posts in their ENTIRETY from TOPIX. This is NOT allowed UNLESS you have permission from poster whom you are copying. What you CAN do is bring a snip then link to post, that we will allow. (good stuff found and brought over btw ;) )

Me? If so, I will edit my post.

Sorry.:blushing::newbie:

[JDB]

I am sorry, wrong thread :crazy: :bang:

There will be a lashing with 40 wet noodles for u accusing us :crazy::blowkiss:

[christine2448]

Me? If so, I will edit my post.

Sorry.:blushing::newbie:

No worries, I posted in the wrong thread. Also...I always PM (and did the perp ;)) It wasn't you...you'd get a PM. Relax.

[RR0004]

RR0004...please explain what you are asking? I am missing the main question you are asking.
I rely on my gut. What does your gut tell you...that it's simply a shovel? I wasn't there so I don't know how BC "appeared" nor what he said that got your friends spooked. But, I always believe in trusting my gut. If it was a revealing conversation, then it may be important to an ongoing investigation. But, if it's just "a shovel" than chances are it's just that. Does that make sense? IOW..trust your instincts!!

[Blink34]

Now, if he did THAT...your point is VERY valid, my friend. Do it before anything is filed and Nancy would be SOL. Does not sound like there was much of anything pleasant happening in that house. But, if she didn't trust her husband...would she ever leave for Canada without her children? (BTW, was that in fact proven to be true?)
March-July is a very long time in marital hell. I so feel for this young woman and her beautiful little girls.

Im guessing the timeline for this coincides with when he confiscated the passports. The answer to your question is no, she would not leave without them, thus live in Hell for months until after being with her family who Im sure said leave him and you have our support, once he knew all his scheming and conniving and she would leave anyway, she's dead.
My heart breaks for what this woman endured, truly.

[Blink34]

I rely on my gut. What does your gut tell you...that it's simply a shovel? I wasn't there so I don't know how BC "appeared" nor what he said that got your friends spooked. But, I always believe in trusting my gut. If it was a revealing conversation, then it may be important to an ongoing investigation. But, if it's just "a shovel" than chances are it's just that. Does that make sense? IOW..trust your instincts!!

RR is right, up until a few days ago, that was my siggy on here. "Listen to your intuition, it always tells the truth." You cant go wrong

[RR0004]

Not if he maxed it out she couldn't, you crack me up. LOL..
Oh...and BTW...if he makes his monthly payment...then you go and write a check for that amount...sorry, slightly OT.

[NC-Curious]

I wish more women would listen to their gut. As I mentioned earlier, I have a ex-friend with an abusive husband (verbally and physically). She would call when he worked her over, but would never leave. When he wasn't abusing her, she was always referring to him lovingly.
My husband this...and my husband that...made me want to puke...and a week later a call saying he had beaten her up again...
I had to remove myself from the situation. Seemed I was always upset about her situation..and she kept getting over it...at least until the next time.

[Blink34]

I'm guessing that happened and that's how she got cut off? He seems to have every base covered, maybe we are off here, maybe he absolutely planned her murder.
2 ways to look at it- he maxed it out so the house would be worthless from an equity perspective and she would not be able to make the payments on pende lite alimony or support. OR he maxes it out to say he had no motive, was not going to gain any assets, the debt outweighed the gain? Should be interesting to see if he upped the life insurance or any new policies recently

[Carrington]

WRAL just used the phrase "partially clothed". Is this the first mention of this?

Yes, thanks
Did they say anything else?

[Blink34]

I wish more women would listen to their gut. As I mentioned earlier, I have a ex-friend with an abusive husband (verbally and physically). She would call when he worked her over, but would never leave. When he wasn't abusing her, she was always referring to him lovingly.
My husband this...and my husband that...made me want to puke...and a week later a call saying he had beaten her up again...
I had to remove myself from the situation. Seemed I was always upset about her situation..and she kept getting over it...at least until the next time.

That's one of the most astute posts I have ever read, thank you for it and if anyone here sees themself in it make the change, you will be glad you did and so will we.

[Blink34]

Yes, thanks
Did they say anything else?

And a link please

[tarheelfan78]

Updated WRAL story
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3220350/

[RR0004]

Im guessing the timeline for this coincides with when he confiscated the passports. The answer to your question is no, she would not leave without them, thus live in Hell for months until after being with her family who Im sure said leave him and you have our support, once he knew all his scheming and conniving and she would leave anyway, she's dead.
My heart breaks for what this woman endured, truly.
As someone posted on another thread...and not sure if one parent needs signed consent from the absentee parent with or without a passport (like Mexico)...you can still use birth certificates...just not sure where the kids were born.

You know...there are laws in place for absconding children. If BC was afraid of his wife leaving with the kids go to court to prevent it. I don't get why he was so damn angry. He was the one that was busy elsewhere. If he killed her, I have to believe that it was sudden rage.

[jilly]

Updated WRAL story
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3220350/

Tarheel - Was it you asking yesterday where Brad & Nancy met? I believe you said you missed it on Nancy Grace. There was a post last nite which said they met at IBM in Calgary, Alta.

[Blink34]

As someone posted on another thread...and not sure if one parent needs signed consent from the absentee parent with or without a passport (like Mexico)...you can still use birth certificates...just not sure where the kids were born.

You know...there are laws in place for absconding children. If BC was afraid of his wife leaving with the kids go to court to prevent it. I don't get why he was so damn angry. He was the one that was busy elsewhere. If he killed her, I have to believe that it was sudden rage.

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.

He so angry because he thinks he should get to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants and she should just take it- How could an ego like that take the blow of his wife leaving him?

[RoughlyCollie]

Not necessarily. Husbands have been known to forge their wives' signatures.

What did he do with $55K? I am assuming he did something with it, since Nancy had to borrow money from her family in order for the kids to eat.

I was thinking something similar, although she ALSO signed the papers.

[RR0004]

I wish more women would listen to their gut. As I mentioned earlier, I have a ex-friend with an abusive husband (verbally and physically). She would call when he worked her over, but would never leave. When he wasn't abusing her, she was always referring to him lovingly.
My husband this...and my husband that...made me want to puke...and a week later a call saying he had beaten her up again...
I had to remove myself from the situation. Seemed I was always upset about her situation..and she kept getting over it...at least until the next time.
Abuse is a vicious cycle...one that needs to be broken...either by the victim leaving the situation or learning to detach with love. It truly is not easy and never makes that much sense to the outsider looking in.

[tarheelfan78]

Thanks Jilly! I was just trying to figure out whether she had always been a SAHM since living in the States or had she worked. After today's new revelations IMO the fact that he was limiting finds and took the kids passport after saying she could move back to Canada (according to WRAL) makes it seem like he was indeed trying to regain control of Nancy. In the press conference her father stated that five days before he death they spent 10 days together in Charlotte and Hilton and I was wondering if during that time she had made the decision to try to leave again.
On another note when people ask why didn't she just leave ....my cousin is going through a divorce and her lawyer told her to stay in the house. I can't remember the reason it had to do with alimony though.

Again these are just MY opinions...

[Blink34]

Tarheel - Was it you asking yesterday where Brad & Nancy met? I believe you said you missed it on Nancy Grace. There was a post last nite which said they met at IBM in Calgary, Alta.

Thanks for posting the link, it does say that she was found with very little clothing, and that she "retained" counsel in March, I thought the petition said "sought counsel" , there's a big difference. If she retained counsel she probably needed at least $5K for a retainer and there would be pending civil action, which there is not.

[RR0004]

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.

He so angry because he thinks he should get to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants and she should just take it- How could an ego like that take the blow of his wife leaving him?
That was my thinking, too (and I'm a TA in my other life)...but it was pointed out to me that passports are needed for air travel...by land-birth certificates are still good for about another year (at least on the other side of the country!). As a TA, I always tell my clients passports anyway.

Montreal hasn't ceded from Canada yet have they? (just a little humor)

[RoughlyCollie]

I think in some of these cases, the spouses have no idea that their husbands or wives are going to kill them.

I wish we had a way to identify warning signs to prevent this from happening. The killer spouses, I have noticed, rarely admit to what they did and thus their thought processes that led to murder are unknown.

Personally, I don't think murderers are fully human. There is a huge missing piece in their makeup. They are defective and they are dangerous.

[jilly]

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.



I think it was effective in Jan '06 that passports were required for air or sea travel (US/Canada). If you travel by land, you can still use your bc &/or driver's license, I believe.

[maconrich]

I posted about the shovel. The shovel was NOT from his home but in a wooded area very close to location where we all met for the search, as well as where much construction is taking place. My understanding is police determined it was a construction site item left behind.

I was asking the forum why would Brad go to an area that had been scoured already and somehow make a shovel discovery. This is all new to me so I am also asking questions to understand what someone like this is trying to do. I am looking for guidance and help as well, like so many others. I was asking for opinions from more seasoned members on the board if Brad would plant a shovel, was he trying to make it look like he is trying to be of help, or was the shovel ironic to be left behind by someone in construction?

One of the persons who was present when the shovel was discovered is having nightmares, just thinking they would find Nancy right in front of them. This person also had a conversation with Brad in the woods until Brad revealed himself then these 2 people panicked. All they keep saying is, "what if the police weren't there?" I don't know why we keep encountering facts pertaining to this case, but is has occured and now we have to deal with it. If the nightmares don't cease I know counseling is in order.

This is my original post:

I have to ask the members who follow cases like this closely....why would Brad lead the police to a shovel he found while he did a search on Monday?? My understanding is it was one left behind from some construction and not a key piece of evidence. This was a location I am sure was combed time and time again. Why would it just appear or not be seen sooner? At the time the person spoke to him they did not know it was Brad. A conversation took place and then Brad revealed who he was with a handshake. It has freaked this person out.

I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.

Yes, that's what I was looking for -- thank you!! I can understand the nightmares based on the mental image of him coming up the embankment next to the car - in the rain - carrying the shovel -- especially with the stress and trauma that y'all are (and have been) going through. (I actually wouldn't be surprised if that image appears in my my dreams tonight! It's outright creepy!!)

If there had been recent (unfinished) construction where he found it I can see it being left behind by workers, but it *does* seem odd that the area had been searched before and no shovel ???

[NC-Curious]

Abuse is a vicious cycle...one that needs to be broken...either by the victim leaving the situation or learning to detach with love. It truly is not easy and never makes that much sense to the outsider looking in.

Don't get me wrong...I totally get it since I was in that position many many many years ago. But unfortunately, I had no family to turn to as I was raised in foster homes, and it turned out a stranger came to my rescue.
In this case, I have offered a place for her to stay and emotional support, but my friend is not strong enough to remove herself at this time.
I couldn't take the ups and downs with her and it has to be her decision to remove herself...If she ever decides to get OUT and needs a place to go...I will be there...but I can't go up and down with her if she isn't ready. She has a good job and the house and cars are in her name since he is broke as a joke so she'll be ok...if she can just get there before it goes to the point of no return.

[jilly]

As someone posted on another thread...and not sure if one parent needs signed consent from the absentee parent with or without a passport (like Mexico)...you can still use birth certificates...just not sure where the kids were born.

Yes, I believe you need the consent from the absentee parent.
I went to Mexico this past March and was surprised I didn't need a passport.

[Carrington]

She could have applied for new passports, saying theirs was lost/stolen.
Right? That shouldn't have taken too long.....

[RR0004]

Thanks Jilly! I was just trying to figure out whether she had always been a SAHM since living in the States or had she worked. After today's new revelations IMO the fact that he was limiting finds and took the kids passport after saying she could move back to Canada (according to WRAL) makes it seem like he was indeed trying to regain control of Nancy. In the press conference her father stated that five days before he death they spent 10 days together in Charlotte and Hilton and I was wondering if during that time she had made the decision to try to leave again.
On another note when people ask why didn't she just leave ....my cousin is going through a divorce and her lawyer told her to stay in the house. I can't remember the reason it had to do with alimony though.

Again these are just MY opinions...
If there were children involved, you cannot just leave the house-especially if your husband doesn't want you to. A judge can order you back. Also, good idea to stay in the house as that's probably one of the biggest assets anyone has...well unless you're very well off. Probably also the reason why BC didn't want to move out.

[RoughlyCollie]

Well, not always. Usually the attorney talks to the potential client initially for free. Then the payment schedule is agreed upon. Sometimes the lawyer doesn't get paid until he can get it from the husband (on the judge's order). Sometimes the lawyer takes the case but doesn't actually do any work on it until s/he is paid up to date.

There are plenty of divorce attorneys who will take $1-$2 K to get started on a case.

It could be that no papers were filed because Nancy told the lawyer to hold off until she gave the okay.

I don't think an attorney was all that involved in this situation. Maybe it's different in NC, but usually the issuance of a restraining order will get the husband out of the house. It sure doesn't prevent murder, however.

It's dangerous for the law in a state to basically force divorcing couples to live together in the same domicile, IMO.

Thanks for posting the link, it does say that she was found with very little clothing, and that she "retained" counsel in March, I thought the petition said "sought counsel" , there's a big difference. If she retained counsel she probably needed at least $5K for a retainer and there would be pending civil action, which there is not.

[Jovin]

RR, yes there's alot of what if's , but considering what we know now that she had no access to $$ and she consulted an attorney 30 days later, somethings rotten in Denmark. Also the suicide threat in Winter?
This guys a new breed in bottom feeder, imo.

I've just seen this "suicide threat" mentioned twice in the last few posts and I don't know where that came from. Can someone fill me in please, or head me in the right direction so I can check that out? I don't know where I've missed it but I guess I have.

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[NC-Curious]

Stranger=brother of a co-worker who befriended me via phone and physically came and removed me and my four month old son....

[raisincharlie]

Not necessarily. Husbands have been known to forge their wives' signatures.

What did he do with $55K? I am assuming he did something with it, since Nancy had to borrow money from her family in order for the kids to eat.

The paper associated with Nancy's signature was notorized. So it may be more likely that she did indeed sign the paperwork. However, that doesn't preclude that the notary never actually witnessed Nancy signing the paperwork.

[wherego]

Wherego-
I responded at length to one of your posts yesterday, actually carrying it to a second thread to make sure you saw it. I find it interesting that you elected not to respond to it, yet post such an antagonistic question to taximom when there are up to 200 viewers on this thread at a time over the last few days. I am trying to understand why that is your only contribution to what amounts to hundreds of pages of posts, and Miss TaxiMom' opinion is shared by the majority- why?


You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America

[RR0004]

Don't get me wrong...I totally get it since I was in that position many many many years ago. But unfortunately, I had no family to turn to as I was raised in foster homes, and it turned out a stranger came to my rescue.
In this case, I have offered a place for her to stay and emotional support, but my friend is not strong enough to remove herself at this time.
I couldn't take the ups and downs with her and it has to be her decision to remove herself...If she ever decides to get OUT and needs a place to go...I will be there...but I can't go up and down with her if she isn't ready. She has a good job and the house and cars are in her name since he is broke as a joke so she'll be ok...if she can just get there before it goes to the point of no return.
That's why you need to detach with love...the cycle of abuse has a tendency to suck you in. I totally understanding your feelings.

[RoughlyCollie]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/1216322668-20080717151650387.pdf

Check out fact #8.

I've just seen this "suicide threat" mentioned twice in the last few posts and I don't know where that came from. Can someone fill me in please, or head me in the right direction so I can check that out? I don't know where I've missed it but I guess I have.

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[Blink34]

She could have applied for new passports, saying theirs was lost/stolen.
Right? That shouldn't have taken too long.....

He would have needed to be present at the time of the application for a new one under the new laws, or certified custodial paperwork that she had sole custody, neither of which she had unfortunately.

[RR0004]

I think in some of these cases, the spouses have no idea that their husbands or wives are going to kill them.

I wish we had a way to identify warning signs to prevent this from happening. The killer spouses, I have noticed, rarely admit to what they did and thus their thought processes that led to murder are unknown.

Personally, I don't think murderers are fully human. There is a huge missing piece in their makeup. They are defective and they are dangerous.
ITA...and we have no idea of how many sociopaths live among us.

[NC-Curious]

Is not everyone entitled to an opinion, whether others agree or not?

[RoughlyCollie]

Yeah, I've known that to happen.

This whole thing begs the question: What happened to the money? $55K is a lot of money to most of us, I would think.

I wonder if she was tricked into signing for the money somehow. For example, she was told they would purchase rental property for an investment, and he did something else with the money.

The paper associated with Nancy's signature was notorized. So it may be more likely that she did indeed sign the paperwork. However, that doesn't preclude that the notary never actually witnessed Nancy signing the paperwork.

[pjop]

Wherego-
I responded at length to one of your posts yesterday, actually carrying it to a second thread to make sure you saw it. I find it interesting that you elected not to respond to it, yet post such an antagonistic question to taximom when there are up to 200 viewers on this thread at a time over the last few days. I am trying to understand why that is your only contribution to what amounts to hundreds of pages of posts, and Miss TaxiMom' opinion is shared by the majority- why?


I'm wondering if we have either a friend or family member of BC on this board. I do not understand the hostility, either. IMOO.
:waitasec:

[raisincharlie]

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America

Because 200 people have their opinions, which don't maybe fit with yours, it gives you the right to post hostile, inflammatory,and accusatory statements to make your case ?

Yes indeed - thank God we live in America. I think your sky is falling by the way. :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Yeah, I've known that to happen.

This whole thing begs the question: What happened to the money? $55K is a lot of money to most of us, I would think.

I wonder if she was tricked into signing for the money somehow. For example, she was told they would purchase rental property for an investment, and he did something else with the money.

You know, if you read his blog at the Adventures of Brad webpage - right after he got his MBA, which corresponds to this time period, he makes several entries about how much work and cost was associated with getting his bike back up to snuff for the upcoming iron man episodes. Training costs money as well, it is possible the money went to those important activities.

WTA - it could have also gone for education costs associated with his MBA - possible.

[RR0004]

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America
Whoa...where do you think your opinion hasn't been validated? I truly am sorry if you feel that your posts have not been addressed, but there is no need to be rude. I believe we are extremely fair and balanced here. Obviously if we were familiar with a case and have discussed it at great length (and that IS what we do here...DISCUSS), we'd recluse ourselves from a jury. You misinterpreted what that poster said...and now I have to ask...why?

[RoughlyCollie]

Your rights to freedom of speech are all about being free of *government* interference in your speech.

This is a privately owned message board. The owner can restrict speech all s/he likes. She has freedom of association -- and can associate with whomever she likes, especially on her own message board.

I think Brad is guilty because I have common sense, and I know a lot about criminals and I have followed a lot of cases of this nature.

I could still serve on his jury because I am able to listen to the evidence, determine the credibility of witnesses and apply the law to the facts found by the jury ... regardless of my current opinion.

I suppose that since you brought this up, that you have a hard time either compartmentalizing your thought processes or keeping your emotions out of your response to cases -- especially if you sit on a jury.

We are not required to find Brad innocent until proven guilty. We are entitled to our opinions.

Anyway, I appreciate this board being here, and being provided for all of us to discuss cases and other matters, free of charge.

I think WS is the most civilized and polite and interesting crime board on the internet.

Respectfully,
RC

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America

[RR0004]

Yeah, I've known that to happen.

This whole thing begs the question: What happened to the money? $55K is a lot of money to most of us, I would think.

I wonder if she was tricked into signing for the money somehow. For example, she was told they would purchase rental property for an investment, and he did something else with the money.
It's been known to happen.

[RoughlyCollie]

As your basic, middle-aged, computer potato, I am completely out of the loop about athletic training, equipment, and other costs.

Wow! Personally, I'd rather go to Europe for a nice, long vacation.

You know, if you read his blog at the Adventures of Brad webpage - right after he got his MBA, which corresponds to this time period, he makes several entries about how much work and cost was associated with getting his bike back up to snuff for the upcoming iron man episodes. Training costs money as well, it is possible the money went to those important activities.

[headndownstream]

Interesting speculation about the finances, I'd never think to do what you think he might have been doing. I always wished I was more financially savoy!

I was wondering what anyone thinks of this...the friend Jessie or Jessica said Nancy was going to help her paint, then she was going to help Nancy get organized, or organize her house, something like that. If she meant clean the house, ok, but was she helping Nancy to organize a move of some kind? The wording of it sounded sort of unusual to me.

If so, I can finally see why the next day she called 911 as soon as she hung up talking with Brad. So far I've had a bit of a problem with her calling just as soon as she heard Nancy 'hadn't come back from jogging'. But if the two of them conspired to finally help Nancy get out of there, like very soon, he quite possibly became violent at this time.

What do you think, Could this be why he allegedly murdered her early Sat am, so she couldn't 'organize' and leave?

[maconrich]

It's dangerous for the law in a state to basically force divorcing couples to live together in the same domicile, IMO.

NC doesn't do that -- I guess that's one (and maybe the only) positive about having to live separately for a year prior to divorce...

[Blink34]

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America

Actually, I agree completely that everyone is entitled to their opinion. You are the only person I saw that critisized others for theirs in the name of some ridiculous mock jury comment. You are stating the obvious. But what you are missing is the fact that your familiarity with this case would precude you from the same "pool".

It is clear from your comments that you do not understand the voir dire process. People do not EXCLUDE themselves from jury empanelment, opposing attorneys do based on their preemptive challenges or inclusions, and in some cases judges. Therefore, what your objecting to exactly is not even accurate or applicable in any way.
I get you feel opinions here are ahead of something, but of what? What opinions and facts that do not support them are you offering to contradict what is being said?
From where I sit, you have only stopped here to criticsize others for expressing their beliefs that WE are entitled to, which makes you the one that is bias, imo.

BTW, in a dictatorship, there are no blogs, I am out of food for the troll.

[raisincharlie]

As your basic, middle-aged, computer potato, I am completely out of the loop about athletic training, equipment, and other costs.

Wow! Personally, I'd rather go to Europe for a nice, long vacation.

He did that , the trip to France to go mountain climbing, the year before :crazy:

[RR0004]

Well, not always. Usually the attorney talks to the potential client initially for free. Then the payment schedule is agreed upon. Sometimes the lawyer doesn't get paid until he can get it from the husband (on the judge's order). Sometimes the lawyer takes the case but doesn't actually do any work on it until s/he is paid up to date.

There are plenty of divorce attorneys who will take $1-$2 K to get started on a case.

It could be that no papers were filed because Nancy told the lawyer to hold off until she gave the okay.

I don't think an attorney was all that involved in this situation. Maybe it's different in NC, but usually the issuance of a restraining order will get the husband out of the house. It sure doesn't prevent murder, however.

It's dangerous for the law in a state to basically force divorcing couples to live together in the same domicile, IMO.
Tell me about it...but it happens A LOT! It's not healthy for anyone involved.

[Blink34]

Interesting speculation about the finances, I'd never think to do what you think he might have been doing. I always wished I was more financially savoy!

I was wondering what anyone thinks of this...the friend Jessie or Jessica said Nancy was going to help her paint, then she was going to help Nancy get organized, or organize her house, something like that. If she meant clean the house, ok, but was she helping Nancy to organize a move of some kind? The wording of it sounded sort of unusual to me.

If so, I can finally see why the next day she called 911 as soon as she hung up talking with Brad. So far I've had a bit of a problem with her calling just as soon as she heard Nancy 'hadn't come back from jogging'. But if the two of them conspired to finally help Nancy get out of there, like very soon, he quite possibly became violent at this time.

What do you think, Could this be why he allegedly murdered her early Sat am, so she couldn't 'organize' and leave?

I thought it possible that she wasnt really going to paint but to look for a place to live or see an attorney and Mrs. Adams was going with her and he found out, I think that is really possible.

[Blink34]

Stranger=brother of a co-worker who befriended me via phone and physically came and removed me and my four month old son....

I dont get this?

[NC-Curious]

I dont get this?


I was explaining how I got out of my bad situation....Part of a previous post..never mind....

[christine2448]

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind.

You are welcome to share your opinion. I have no idea what makes you think you can't. Please share! All ideas, theories, are welcome! Just seems the majority here think it's Brad. If you don't that's great. Give reasons why as those have given reasons they believe he is the murderer of Nancy. Expect those that disagree to do just that. This is a discussion board, please, discuss your thoughts. Bring some links/info/anything to change the minds of those who have already found BC guilty.

[RoughlyCollie]

Blink34, it's in reference to post #131, on this thread.

I dont get this?

[NC-Curious]

Blink34, it's in reference to post #131, on this thread.


Thanks.

[Blink34]

I was explaining how I got out of my bad situation....Part of a previous post..never mind....