Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #6

[Magister]

I don't know how much authority anyone would have to keep him from going to Canada for the service unless he was formally charged, but I do have to wonder if Canada has a law against extraditing people to a state with the death penalty.

[jilly]

Hi everyone! I, too, am a new member. I live in Wake Co. (in Raleigh not Cary). I was reading the thread last night/this morning about the equity line being increased on the Cooper house. I apologize if this has been stated, but last Fall we had property revaluations (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/779958.html) and many were quite sizable. So, the tax value of most homes went up and maybe they had the line of equity adjusted to reflect that.

Thanks for all of the insightful comments on this board!

I am eagerly awaiting the 4pm news conference as well.

Thanks very much for that info carolinalady! There was quite a bit of speculations about that! And.....Welcome!

[Magister]

CyberPro -- I've never named my kids or have posted any of their photos to any of my blogs for the reasons that you cite.

PS) Judging from some of the things posted in this forum, you've also got to wonder about the future of social networking.

[headndownstream]

DianeB said of the link Brad named "The Adventures of Brad"

Thanks for posting this. Did you notice he used the word "plan" 14 times in that one fairly short account?

This guy is extremely detail-oriented, down to recommending which floor of the hotel to stay on, and in which direction to sit to watch on-screen presentations.

If he is guilty of killing his wife, I think it would have been highly planned in advance (although maybe he forgot to check the family's bleach supply...)

Sharp eyes Diane! I didn't notice that, but I noticed his details sure enough. Reminds me of my mother in law, hahaha. I drive her crazy!

[headndownstream]

Regarding who ended up calling the police Sat afternoon. I think Mrs Adams said that after she and Brad discussed Nancy missing, that he agreed with her that the police should be called. That was discussed and it was (mutually) agreed that when they hung up she would call. She did. Then she called Brad back and they discussed that call. Doesn't anyone else remember this?

[headndownstream]

I'm glad there are folks here who have experience with passports. Their input has helped me understand how important this knowledge is within this case.

[SuziQ]

Regarding who ended up calling the police Sat afternoon. I think Mrs Adams said that after she and Brad discussed Nancy missing, that he agreed with her that the police should be called. That was discussed and it was (mutually) agreed that when they hung up she would call. She did. Then she called Brad back and they discussed that call. Doesn't anyone else remember this?

I don't remember that at all. All I remember is Mrs Adams had an odd feeling after talking with Brad on the phone. So she called LE. He was off supposedly looking for Carrie's number.

[carolinalady]

Nancy's parents already hired Tharrington Smith, LLP. Wade Smith and Alice Stubbs are the attorneys on the custody petition.

BTW, I'm a new poster; I've been a sporadic lurker on this board since Michelle Young.

I'm not sure if it was mentioned (I saw some of Wade Smith's former clients listed) Alice Stubbs is a former Wake County District Judge. Part of that time (maybe 3 years) was over Family Court.

[lorelei]

Regarding who ended up calling the police Sat afternoon. I think Mrs Adams said that after she and Brad discussed Nancy missing, that he agreed with her that the police should be called. That was discussed and it was (mutually) agreed that when they hung up she would call. She did. Then she called Brad back and they discussed that call. Doesn't anyone else remember this?

I don't think they discussed calling the police at all, at least not that has been mentioned in the press?
First she called the husband to ask where Nancy was and he said she'd gone out running with 'Carrie'. Then he called the friend, and asked if she knew how to get in touch with Carrie. She said no, he said that he would continue to look for Carries number and they hung up.
That was when the friend (Mrs Adams) decided to call police.

[curiositycat]

I don't think they discussed calling the police at all, at least not that has been mentioned in the press?
First she called the husband to ask where Nancy was and he said she'd gone out running with 'Carrie'. Then he called the friend, and asked if she knew how to get in touch with Carrie. She said no, he said that he would continue to look for Carries number and they hung up.
That was when the friend (Mrs Adams) decided to call police.
Again..I am wondering, if by any chance the Carrie at the bottom left of the page is the one she may have been going to run with just a thought.

She may have known her because she graduated with Brad.http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/profiles/stu...ll07/index.php:confused:

[nursebeeme]

I think he will have a hard time claiming NC was crazy...there is too much family and community support for her. Where is his group of supporters?
I agree... I was just hypothisizing what possible defense strategy he would use...

[carolinalady]

Again..I am wondering, if by any chance the Carrie at the bottom left of the page is the one she may have been going to run with just a thought.

She may have known her because she graduated with Brad.http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/profiles/stu...ll07/index.php:confused:


It doesn't look like she was in the MBA program. He looks like he has a graduate hood, but she doesn't. The bachelor's program is much larger and I wouldn't think would be very familiar w/ MBA candidates.

[nursebeeme]

Well I have a lot of unanswered questions. :waitasec: I keep looking at the body language of Brad and Nancy in this picture. Standing close together, and looking happy. This was seven months ago. If it is correct that he has been having an affair for one year this picture doesn't seem to show Nancy to be as upset as I would have been.

Secondly, if you go on further down on the page there is a "carrie" who was in his class. Could this have been the friend she was going to go jogging with? Just a long shot..but it peaked my interest in many ways.http://www.mgt.ncsu.edu/profiles/students/2007/gradfall07/index.php
interesting! He just graduated. His suicide attempt was reported as being around that time. A little stress from his thesis perhaps LOL

[piedmontmom]

I don't remember that at all. All I remember is Mrs Adams had an odd feeling after talking with Brad on the phone. So she called LE. He was off supposedly looking for Carrie's number.

This is how I remember it too. A few posts up I was making reference to Brad taking too much time to call Nancys' family. By the time the local LE's were called and they called him...it would have been at this point that I would have fully expected Brad to contact her family and say...hey just wanted you to know xyz". Can anyone find that?

I'm trying to find the link for the custody petition and the item that they mentioned...I think there was something about the time lapse in which they found out...and we know his family wasn't even informed until after that.

[allboys]

Regarding who ended up calling the police Sat afternoon. I think Mrs Adams said that after she and Brad discussed Nancy missing, that he agreed with her that the police should be called. That was discussed and it was (mutually) agreed that when they hung up she would call. She did. Then she called Brad back and they discussed that call. Doesn't anyone else remember this?


The only report that I heard about this was to say that Brad told Mrs. Adams that he was going to look for "Carrie's" phone number. When Mrs. Adams hung up, she decided to call police. I never heard that she told Brad of her intentions, or discussed calling the police with him. IMO, one reason she was concerned enough to call police was due to Brad's nonchalance about her whereabouts.

[piedmontmom]

Has there been any mention about the level of support Brad got from Nancy regarding his iron man training?

I'm curious how big of a bone of contention this was for them, especially since she also trains for marathons.

In my house it would be problematic, but I know households where both spouses are very athletic.

[nursebeeme]

I don't remember that at all. All I remember is Mrs Adams had an odd feeling after talking with Brad on the phone. So she called LE. He was off supposedly looking for Carrie's number.
SuziQ...hey there good buddy! That was the way I remember it too. Interviews with the friend were also sort of cryptic making me think more was said than what is being reported:waitasec:

[Magister]

I'm trying to find the link for the custody petition and the item that they mentioned...

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/20080717103017508.pdf

[Snowlover77]

I'm astonished that there has not been an arrest, and we still have no clue
about the cause of death.
And, all of the bags of evidence taken from the house, I hope LE is going over everything twice with a fine toothed comb.
I wonder if Mr. Brad will be going to Canada for his wife's funeral. Has anyone mentioned this?
I am thinking she was beat. I read on Fox where one of the lawyers( I believe it was one of Brad's lawyer's too) said something like, We will find out who attacked nancy."

[piedmontmom]

thanks for the link...maybe I can get at a tidbit that's bugging me

[RR0004]

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

I wonder if this is this attorney's first high profile case?:confused:

He's going to be very disappointed this weekend when he wanders the internet and see that his little news conference didn't stop the speculation one bit, but most likely brought attention to him as a...........well.............defense attorney!:waitasec: We know what most people think about them!:eek:

:D
JMHO
fran

PS.....After all, this is the internet and an opinion board and free speech and all that. I can say what I want! humph! ;)
Yup...it's our party!

[RR0004]

Well, he 'may have' meant it that way but what he's really saying is, 'my client doesn't want to speak in public because he's watched the guys before him say stupid stuff that helped get them convicted because they were contradictory statements of what was later proven to have not been the case.'

Or, ..........something like that.

:boohoo:He was making excuses for Brad hiding behind the closed doors.:boohoo:

JMHO
fran
Well, I sure as heck hope he didn't expect it to stop us!

[panthera]

I don't know how much authority anyone would have to keep him from going to Canada for the service unless he was formally charged, but I do have to wonder if Canada has a law against extraditing people to a state with the death penalty.
As far as I know Canada won't extradite if the DP is possible, so I would think if LE intends to arrest him they'd do so before he had the opportunity to go there. Even if they don't seek the DP in this case, it still would be much easier than to try to get him back from there. :)

[RR0004]

Let the influx of anonymous new members that work for the defense attorney begin! lol All kinds of interesting theories will abound once that starts. Ugh.

:bang:
Yeah...as if it hasn't started already. Ugh is right!

[Magister]

Let the influx of anonymous new members that work for the defense attorney begin! lol All kinds of interesting theories will abound once that starts. Ugh.

:bang:

You mean like the one about the band of gypsies who could've camped on that desolate cul-de-sac? The ones who are on a cross-country murder spree with each victim looking like an isolated incident?

[miss lisa]

Yeah...as if it hasn't started already. Ugh is right!

Hmmmm...my gut feeling tells me that there is ONE here already...:razz:

[RR0004]

Hmmmm...my gut feeling tells me that there is ONE here already...:razz:
Yep..think you're right!

[nursebeeme]

[quote=piedmontmom;2394162]Has there been any mention about the level of support Brad got from Nancy regarding his iron man training?

I'm curious how big of a bone of contention this was for them, especially since she also trains for marathons.

quote]

Someone earlier posted an exerpt from one of his blogs...saying seeing his family at the finish line made his race day perfect or something to that effect. I tend to think that a wonderful person such as Nancy would support her husband just as much as she did her children... which according to family and friends was above and beyond.

As for the bone of contention... I am speaking from experience here as well as for the level of support I provide for my very own iron~hubby :

Ironman training is beyond time consuming and it takes a lot of family support and understanding. The typical week of training in my family is this when preparing for a race:

monday~ morning run of 45 minutes followed by a 30 minute interval training on the fluid trainer (dohicky that you put your actual bike on...cost around 400 dollars... two pairs of running shoes that you alternate to avoid injury....250 dollars...wetsuit 150 dollars, speedo 25 dollars....pool fees....we spend `400 a year for the membership.)

still on monday....at lunch swim laps for an hour. Ride bike to the pool and back to work...

still on monday.... eat dinner...(fast!)... gear up for two hour road ride followed by a 30 minute jog (called a brick when you bike then run). (training bike....400 dollars.....racing bike with carbon fiber frame....2500 dollars.....tri bars for bike `200 dollars.....spinergy wheels 700 dollars...drinking system...and bako box for eating system.....together 75 dollars... bike shorts and jerseys...tons of them....`at least a grand all together...extra tubes and tire change kit...50 dollars...

Tuesday thru friday....same as monday

Saturday....5 hour bike ride followed by hour run (big brick)

Sunday......rest day...which includes an 'easy' run or 'easy spin' of an hour or so

other costs....gatorade (tons of it), powerbars (I buy them by the case...not cheap..and dh usually eats 7 of them a day), goo, race entry fees (also not cheap), travel to race and hotel fees (usually three to four days before an ironman and one day after)

All that being said on the training you can see how important it is to have family support and it can be a HUGE bone of contention if there are other problems or issues in the family.

I have and always will support my dh...as he loves it..and is actually quite good~ He raced on the all army triathlon team and they paid for ironman hawaii one year!

The way I dealt with the long rides when my son was a baby..we got the trek rocket and a racing tandem..and we did the five hour rides together. Now that my son is older we let him play with friends or my son rides the tandem with his dad.

I now make my own power bars and that saves some money...and my dh does a lot of pimping out his bike with duct tape.

lol

Sorry to be so long winded....but I thought it would provide some insight.

Also, just being around the tri world...I can say that it the narcissist's dream sport! my dh also tends to be full of himself most of the time and THAT can get very old very quick.

ps, forgot to include price of personal trainer (forty five bones a month), kettler spinner (800)

pps, just had this thought...what if BC's partner in things adulterous is also a triathlete....

[warrkat]

You mean like the one about the band of gypsies who could've camped on that desolate cul-de-sac? The ones who are on a cross-country murder spree with each victim looking like an isolated incident?

Don't forget..... there's a Zodiac killer in Fayetteville.

[nursebeeme]

You mean like the one about the band of gypsies who could've camped on that desolate cul-de-sac? The ones who are on a cross-country murder spree with each victim looking like an isolated incident?
:floorlaugh::rolling::rolling::rolling::takeoff:or the satanic cult that has been abducting all the cats in the area

[nursebeeme]

Yep..think you're right!
ditto! :Welcome-12-june:defense team!

[MoonFlwr]

Wow! NurseBeeMe!

That shoh is a lotta training! ;)

Thanks for the run-down...I, for one, wasn't sure how much time was taken up by training, so it was illuminating for me!

How cute...you have learnt to make your own power bars! :thumb:

lol! you go girl!
Start marketing them...."NurseBee Powers"! ;)

[jilly]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned (I saw some of Wade Smith's former clients listed) Alice Stubbs is a former Wake County District Judge. Part of that time (maybe 3 years) was over Family Court.

That's interesting! I was actually surprised that Brad didn't hire Tharrington-Smith. Seems like when people get into serious trouble (jason young and ann miller) they go with this firm.
I was wondering if Nancy had used this firm when she sought legal counsel and because of this, Brad was not able to because of conflict. Nancy's parents wouldn't have had that problem of course.

[Taximom]

ditto! :Welcome-12-june:defense team!

Yep! Just so they know...it didn't work that well for Scott Peterson. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

[nursebeeme]

LOL Tmom! Just notice the increase in guests... I know it is not all the defense but it sure was funny to hear him mention the internet in the presser.

I also found it IN EXTREME DISTASTE for the lawyer to say that BC doesn't like to show do HIS mourning at the press conferences! It was almost like he was poking blame at Nancy's family and I just wanted to jump through my computer and give him a swirly! (although maybe not....that one kid last week got kicked out of his hs for giving his teacher a noogie!!!!!!!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_prank

[nursebeeme]

Friday, July 18:
• The investigation into the murdered North Carolina mom takes a new twist! Greta has the latest on the Nancy Cooper homicide



Is anyone watching this? My dh is on the tv! I wonder what this "new twist" is????

[miss lisa]

Don't forget..... there's a Zodiac killer in Fayetteville.

yep and driving a brown van:eek:

[panthera]

Is anyone watching this? My dh is on the tv! I wonder what this "new twist" is????
I have no idea what it is! :eek: I have Fox News on now, but I haven't heard anything about Greta's upcoming show yet.

[warrkat]

I have no idea what it is! :eek: I have Fox News on now, but I haven't heard anything about Greta's upcoming show yet.

Where I live, Greta comes on at 10. I usually go to bed and watch it, but if there's any big news, I'll post it.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK You guys know I am a stickler for being as accurate as possible. Could we please get Jessica and Brett's name corrected here? It appears to be ADAM and not Adams. Thanks!

Cooper was reported missing at 2:51 p.m. Saturday by Brett Adam's wife, Jessica Adam.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1142058.html

Now that I finished nitpicking...where are we?! I see that there will be no arrest over the weekend which is a bit disheartening as I wanted to be here when it happened!

I am quite disturbed that the children have not been told of their mother's death yet, especially the four year old. I speak from experience on this one. My daughter's grandparents asked me to wait to tell her as they wanted to do this. I respected their wishes up until the point she let me know she already knew. Come to find out, she knew from the very beginning as she heard the phone call come in and heard her aunt discussing her father's accidental death on the phone. No one would talk to her about it and she felt she shouldn't talk about either. She was left to grieve for days all alone and afraid. I felt horrible. We have discussed it many times through the years and it still haunts her.

I wish they would respect their grandchild and realize she is smarter than they give her credit for being. She can feel people are overwhelming sad. She can see the teary eyes. She knows something is wrong. I would hate to think she could find out like my daughter did. Children need to grieve with the family. It is healthier in the long run, imo.

[warrkat]

yep and driving a brown van:eek:

........ full of satanic cats.

[nursebeeme]

I have no idea what it is! :eek: I have Fox News on now, but I haven't heard anything about Greta's upcoming show yet. Sorry! That was the header for tonight's greta. Has she said what the 'twist' is????? tia

[piedmontmom]

Thanks Nursebeeme, you made me laugh..."and still on Monday". Yup, I can see the self indulgent part of it. Your husband is lucky to have you be so supportive.

I can only imagine Nancy was "supportive" of Brad, but would he think she was? I missed the earlier comment that it made his day to see his family at the finish line. Well, I probably read it but lost track with all this stuff.

And I would only surmise that his "other hobby" would have been like minded. I can't imagine him going for anyone flabby.

[petra]

yep and driving a brown van:eek:

filled with mad ironman who spike competitor's coffee with steroids:)

so that they will go into a rage and thus be disqualified:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I have no idea what it is! :eek: I have Fox News on now, but I haven't heard anything about Greta's upcoming show yet.I have Fox on, too. It will probably be something we already knew, but to her it is a "twist". hehehe

I swear we need our own Fox News show! I would be glad to be a reporter! LOL We can steal Mark Furhman away from Greta since our show would be more accurate and have more indepth information.

[nursebeeme]

ss, what happened to your daughter? I agree though...that they need to tell them. I was adopted and my mom told me I was before I can even remember...but I cannot imagine if I were to have found it out on my own. I also look at Bobby Cutts and what his little son was able to say about the murder of his mommy.

[Wudge]

ditto! :Welcome-12-june:defense team!

TY TY

Does presumed innocent apply?

[miss lisa]

........ full of satanic cats.

on a business trip to VA:eek:

[Snowlover77]

I have to say that the judge granting temp custody to Nancy's parents says tome they do suspect he is the killer. It is a huge deal when a judge takes children away from the biological parent. This judge knows the husband is being investigated and agreed with nancy's parents that the children could be in physical danger during this time.
I believe it is just a matter of days before Brad Cooper is arrested and charged with the murder of his wife.

[SeriouslySearching]

And I would only surmise that his "other hobby" would have been like minded. I can't imagine him going for anyone flabby.You never know. Opposites do attract.

[petra]

I think the family was planning to meet with counselors today, after the morning presser, to plan the best way to tell the girls. It sounded like they had plans to bring the girls to the vigils/memorials if possible.(held tonight and tomorrow)

[bluenoser]

Hi, I am new here, but have been following this from the time Nancy went missing. I just happened upon this website a few weeks ago while looking for info. on another case. Theres so many of these type of things happening that I can hardly keep up. From the beginning, I have had many theories & things I wanted to comment on, but in trying to stay caught up with everyone elses comments, I ended up coming up with other thoughts or theories. For me it still ads up to BC being guilty though.

One thing that I wanted to bring up and get opinions on is the fact that yesterday when listening to Khrista speak, she mentioned that Nancy had been cranky for the last couple of days because she had been painting a house. At first I thought maybe she was painting her friends house because she needed money (since I read Brad was no longer supporting her) but then I ended up reading that it was in exchange for her friend helping her to organize her house. Maybe it was in exchange for her to help her move out or something along those lines. Did anyone else pick up on this comment or think it strange?

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I had skipped a few pages to catch up.

[MoonFlwr]

I have Fox on, too. It will probably be something we already knew, but to her it is a "twist". hehehe

I swear we need our own Fox News show!

(respectfully snipped).

Lol! I agree with you SeriouslySearching! :)

[fran]

Sorry! That was the header for tonight's greta. Has she said what the 'twist' is????? tia

I don't have the tv on but I did go to gretawire and she didn't say anything about the Cooper case.

It's most likely going to be about Nancy's parents wanting the person who did this to come forward, that the dad wasn't worried but the mom was,...........Oh, and Brad's attorney said he's innocent and grieving. :boohoo: They'll probably mention how poor Brad is being convicted by the media and internet blogs.:boohoo:

Other than that, I can't see anything else new she could report.

Oh, yeah, I saw this from another network:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6273544

.........snip..............

Raleigh Attorney Seth Blum and his partner Howard Kurtz wanted to let everyone know their client is grieving. They say he wants to mourn privately.
"He is not accustomed to the hot glare of the media spotlight," Blum said. "He never dreamed he would see his face splashed across television news shows nor his name in headline, especially under these terrible circumstances."





:boohoo:Poor Brad, IF people don't lighten up, he just may have to go out and eat some worms. :boohoo:

Wonder if his attorney called any of the TH's to offer to appear on behalf of his client?:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[panthera]

Where I live, Greta comes on at 10. I usually go to bed and watch it, but if there's any big news, I'll post it.
Oh, I can also watch her program at 10pm, I just can't imagine what "news" she has! The only things that happened today was Nancy's family speaking this morning and then Brad's lawyer this afternoon. Neither seemed to have any earth shattering news! :)

[jilly]

I wish they would respect their grandchild and realize she is smarter than they give her credit for being. She can feel people are overwhelming sad. She can see the teary eyes. She knows something is wrong. I would hate to think she could find out like my daughter did. Children need to grieve with the family. It is healthier in the long run, imo.

I believe the family said they will be relying on the offer for counselling they've received. I guess they just want to make sure they do it right.

[SeriouslySearching]

Snow, I think if more grandparents were as savy and as determined as they were to protect the children...there would be more children taken away from the possible suspect in these cases. Because Nancy's father is astute in his field is the main reason they were able to get this done in short order. He knew exactly how to go about it and he did not waste any time. Other grandparents seem to wait for them to be arrested instead before filing court papers...then if they are never arrested...it goes back to why they didn't file immediately. See what I mean?

[nursebeeme]

........ full of satanic cats.
wearing berkas and eating grilled panini:eat::eat::eat:

[jilly]

Oh, I can also watch her program at 10pm, I just can't imagine what "news" she has! The only things that happened today was Nancy's family speaking this morning and then Brad's lawyer this afternoon. Neither seemed to have any earth shattering news! :)

I haven't watched her for such a loooong time. I got so fed up with her sucking up to Geragos and his so-called defense.
She was renowned for big program teasers with little substance.:rolleyes:

[stillblv]

Snow, I think if more grandparents were as savy and as determined as they were to protect the children...there would be more children taken away from the possible suspect in these cases. Because Nancy's father is astute in his field is the main reason they were able to get this done in short order. He knew exactly how to go about it and he did not waste any time. Other grandparents seem to wait for them to be arrested instead before filing court papers...then if they are never arrested...it goes back to why they didn't file immediately. See what I mean?


Most grandparents would have no idea how or when to do this. Nancy's father obviously, from being in the business in Canada, knew what to do. The family also had knowledge of what was going on, as stated by them, so they were to go into action. If this happened to me, I would be like a deer in headlights. I wouldn't even know that it could be done; much less how to do it.

Imagine what could have been done in other cases such as this, i.e. Drew Peterson, Craig Stebic...etc.

[piedmontmom]

You guys are right...they did mention they were seeing counselors today...good, especially since they sounded as if they'd be at the vigil. Sooner would have been better especially "daddy" is out of the picture too. I'm glad they're going to treat it like a sleepover (grandmothers words). ITA--her father is so poised and seems like a fun grandather.

[RR0004]

OK You guys know I am a stickler for being as accurate as possible. Could we please get Jessica and Brett's name corrected here? It appears to be ADAM and not Adams. Thanks!

Cooper was reported missing at 2:51 p.m. Saturday by Brett Adam's wife, Jessica Adam.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/1142058.html

Now that I finished nitpicking...where are we?! I see that there will be no arrest over the weekend which is a bit disheartening as I wanted to be here when it happened!

I am quite disturbed that the children have not been told of their mother's death yet, especially the four year old. I speak from experience on this one. My daughter's grandparents asked me to wait to tell her as they wanted to do this. I respected their wishes up until the point she let me know she already knew. Come to find out, she knew from the very beginning as she heard the phone call come in and heard her aunt discussing her father's accidental death on the phone. No one would talk to her about it and she felt she shouldn't talk about either. She was left to grieve for days all alone and afraid. I felt horrible. We have discussed it many times through the years and it still haunts her.

I wish they would respect their grandchild and realize she is smarter than they give her credit for being. She can feel people are overwhelming sad. She can see the teary eyes. She knows something is wrong. I would hate to think she could find out like my daughter did. Children need to grieve with the family. It is healthier in the long run, imo.
ITA...and the mention of Krista Mommy...really upset me...a mother cannot be replaced in a young child's life...and as comforting as it may be that Krista resembles her mom...she's not Nancy. IMHO the child should be told. I'm sure, though, they are speaking with a therapist about this.

[nursebeeme]

I haven't watched her for such a loooong time. I got so fed up with her sucking up to Geragos and his so-called defense.
She was renowned for big program teasers with little substance.:rolleyes:
aint that the truth! The only thing I could think of in terms of 'twist' would be something from Mark F. Perhaps his boots~on~the~ground approach has turned up something interesting...

but you are most likely right LOL.....all talk and no action LOL:crazy:

[warrkat]

on a business trip to VA:eek:

where they'll catch a bus to Mexico.

I was just thinking about the little girls, and hoping that the grandparents explain, at least to the older one, before they take them to the vigil. In fact, I'm not sure it's a good idea to take them at all, but it's not my decision to make.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the family was planning to meet with counselors today, after the morning presser, to plan the best way to tell the girls. It sounded like they had plans to bring the girls to the vigils/memorials if possible.(held tonight and tomorrow)I sure hope so. It would be a positive step in the grieving process for the four year old to see the overwhelming love and support for her family.

[piedmontmom]

Growing up my favorite movie was Rocky...my family always says that I go for the underdog...but my eyes almost got caught in the back of head when Brads attorneys said he doesn't like to see his name in the headlines...what about the name of his Blog...adventures of Brad.

BTW---Magistrar provided the link for custody petition. One of the items did say that Brad was not the one that told the family she was missing. That should have come from him.

Anyone recall when they first came aware?

[nursebeeme]

Most grandparents would have no idea how or when to do this. Nancy's father obviously, from being in the business in Canada, knew what to do. The family also had knowledge of what was going on, as stated by them, so they were to go into action. If this happened to me, I would be like a deer in headlights. I wouldn't even know that it could be done; much less how to do it.

Imagine what could have been done in other cases such as this, i.e. Drew Peterson, Craig Stebic...etc.


If I knew how my daughter was being treated and then she ends up dead...I think I would have grabbed my grandkids and hid them without thinking that might not be a good idea LOL...

[panthera]

I haven't watched her for such a loooong time. I got so fed up with her sucking up to Geragos and his so-called defense.
She was renowned for big program teasers with little substance.:rolleyes:
I know what you mean about Geragos, but I think her program has gotten better. At least with Maria Lauterbach's murder she covered that a lot with a camera crew in the Laurean's back yard. She also covered Jessie Davis' murder well too, also going to her house and giving a tour. I think that helps a lot to give perspective to the crime scenes and area. :)

[Wudge]

I haven't watched her for such a loooong time. I got so fed up with her sucking up to Geragos and his so-called defense.
She was renowned for big program teasers with little substance.:rolleyes:

Insufficient evidence is a very good defense.

[SeriouslySearching]

Most grandparents would have no idea how or when to do this. Nancy's father obviously, from being in the business in Canada, knew what to do. The family also had knowledge of what was going on, as stated by them, so they were to go into action. If this happened to me, I would be like a deer in headlights. I wouldn't even know that it could be done; much less how to do it.

Imagine what could have been done in other cases such as this, i.e. Drew Peterson, Craig Stebic...etc.Those are exactly the other cases I was thinking of in that post. There are many others, too. It bothers me to know these men only have their children as "trophies" of their wives' disappearances. It was their end game and they won...at least for now...until the Grand Jury indicts them or LE finds more proof.

[nursebeeme]

panthera, I also thought her Stacy Peterson coverage was excellent (all the phone interviews, etc)

[panthera]

I was just thinking about the little girls, and hoping that the grandparents explain, at least to the older one, before they take them to the vigil. In fact, I'm not sure it's a good idea to take them at all, but it's not my decision to make.
I'm thinking about them too and what they can understand at age 4 & 2, and I don't envy Nancy's family at all right now. :(

[warrkat]

If I knew how my daughter was being treated and then she ends up dead...I think I would have grabbed my grandkids and hid them without thinking that might not be a good idea LOL...

I have a friend who did that. I don't know a lot of details about what happened, or how she was notified, because she doesn't like to talk about it much. But she did tell me that she drove through a driving downpour to get to a magistrate and file for temporary custody as soon as she learned her daughter was missing. Son-in-law had killed the daughter, and is still in prison. She (my friend) was pregnant at the time, and raised the girls as sisters. They are 22 now, and wonderful girls. She's done a good job with both of them.

[panthera]

panthera, I also thought her Stacy Peterson coverage was excellent (all the phone interviews, etc)
Oh yes!! :clap: With Brianna Dennison's murder, Mark also went to Reno and showed us where she was abducted from. I think it's the video I like best about Greta's show with the camera crews "on the scene". I also listen very much to Mark's opinions. :)

[nursebeeme]

.........and speaking of Scott Peterson...... check this out!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/18/laci.peterson.mom/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

[warrkat]

I'm thinking about them too and what they can understand at age 4 & 2, and I don't envy Nancy's family at all right now. :(

The older one will probably understand, and if she isn't told, she's going to think she's been abandoned. She's used to being with her mom every day, all day, apparently. The little one won't understand, and sadly, probably won't remember her mother. Remember little Blake, and how he "called' his mother on the cell phone? That broke my heart.

[Snowlover77]

Snow, I think if more grandparents were as savy and as determined as they were to protect the children...there would be more children taken away from the possible suspect in these cases. Because Nancy's father is astute in his field is the main reason they were able to get this done in short order. He knew exactly how to go about it and he did not waste any time. Other grandparents seem to wait for them to be arrested instead before filing court papers...then if they are never arrested...it goes back to why they didn't file immediately. See what I mean?
SS, Im not so sure though that many judges would take the children away form a biological parent...what I am saying mainly is this judge did his homework and listened carefully to Nancy's parents about the state of affairs at their home...I'm convinced there are alot of judges who would not have taken the kids away from Brad...even in light of everything we know.

[RR0004]

.........and speaking of Scott Peterson...... check this out!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/18/laci.peterson.mom/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
I've heard about prisoner's access to the internet in the past...look at David Berkowitz. There is something VERY wrong with this IMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm thinking about them too and what they can understand at age 4 & 2, and I don't envy Nancy's family at all right now. :(The four year old can comprehend her mother is gone and is not going to come back. They are more accepting of death than older children.

I never hesitated to include my other children when other deaths occurred in our family again. This has proven to be the right way to handle it. My son was allowed to help pick out his beloved grandfather's casket when he was only seven years old. It was important to him and he asked to be included.

[Snowlover77]

SS, I will agree with you 110% that Nancy's parents are very savy and very dignified and have handled themselves very well in all of this. I salute them and give them the utmost respect. They are truly wonderful and intellignet people. The citizens of Cary I am sure have fallen in love with them. And with Nancy's brother being LE, they would tend to know way more than the average joe about the in's and out's of the judicial system.

[MoonFlwr]

.........and speaking of Scott Peterson...... check this out!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/18/laci.peterson.mom/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Isn't Laci's Mom a gracious person!

[nursebeeme]

I've heard about prisoner's access to the internet in the past...look at David Berkowitz. There is something VERY wrong with this IMO.
and Jet Duncan! He did the same thing... sent letters out and had people post them on his 'blog'.... sick freaks man:puke:

[SeriouslySearching]

The older one will probably understand, and if she isn't told, she's going to think she's been abandoned. She's used to being with her mom every day, all day, apparently. The little one won't understand, and sadly, probably won't remember her mother. Remember little Blake, and how he "called' his mother on the cell phone? That broke my heart.I agree. I think they handled Blake very well with his situation. As heartbreaking as it was, Patty allowed him to grieve with them. I also think of his bright smile while coming down the slide thanks to Patty and the family. Simply allowing Blake to talk about his mother was so important.

[Wudge]

SS, I will agree with you 110% that Nancy's parents are very savy and very dignified and have handled themselves very well in all of this. I salute them and give them the utmost respect. They are truly wonderful and intellignet people. The citizens of Cary I am sure have fallen in love with them. And with Nancy's brother being LE, they would tend to know way more than the average joe about the in's and out's of the judicial system.

Wade Smith is the premier criminal defense attorney in NC.

[Taximom]

TY TY

Does presumed innocent apply?

I was wondering when you'd show up! There are a few here that you'll get along with just swell! lol :blowkiss:

[CyberPro]

You mean like the one about the band of gypsies who could've camped on that desolate cul-de-sac? The ones who are on a cross-country murder spree with each victim looking like an isolated incident?

Magister,

(Great Name BTW... Teacher!)

Humm, maybe I should try to find an older model brown van with some carpet rolls in the back. His lawyers might be interested, especially if I can find a group of roving Hawiian devil worshipers to stock it with. Possible money making opportunity right there... gonna go check eBay... BRB. :)

CyberPro

[TGIRecovered]

That's interesting! I was actually surprised that Brad didn't hire Tharrington-Smith. Seems like when people get into serious trouble (jason young and ann miller) they go with this firm.
I was wondering if Nancy had used this firm when she sought legal counsel and because of this, Brad was not able to because of conflict. Nancy's parents wouldn't have had that problem of course.

Maybe Nancy's family was smart enough to quickly hire the best firm in town so that Brad could not use that firm.

Susan

[panthera]

The older one will probably understand, and if she isn't told, she's going to think she's been abandoned. She's used to being with her mom every day, all day, apparently. The little one won't understand, and sadly, probably won't remember her mother. Remember little Blake, and how he "called' his mother on the cell phone? That broke my heart.
Oh yes, I'll never forget Blake and what he must have gone though being left alone in the house after seeing his mom 'in the rug' and maybe even her being killed. One positive note with Nancy's little girls, is they're going to be with her family and Nancy's twin sister ~ so they'll never forget what mom looked like. They'll be reminded of her every day! :)

[nursebeeme]

and you can just bet that BC is online seeing what people are saying about his past behavior as a husband and human being. Did everyone read the post from a 'friend' in Canada that said he never kept friends and that the people were not surprised or shocked and they figured he was capeable of something like this... It would be interesting to interview the ex~girlfriends. This poster stated that some ex~girlfriends were not surprised

[Wudge]

Maybe Nancy's family was smart enough to quickly hire the best firm in town so that Brad could not use that firm.

Susan


No. Brad went with the best in the state.

[panthera]

The four year old can comprehend her mother is gone and is not going to come back. They are more accepting of death than older children.

I never hesitated to include my other children when other deaths occurred in our family again. This has proven to be the right way to handle it. My son was allowed to help pick out his beloved grandfather's casket when he was only seven years old. It was important to him and he asked to be included.
I completely agree. The first family death I remember was my grandfather's brother passing away when I was around 10 y/o. My parents didn't think I should be taken out of school on the day of the funeral. I could never understand why and it's something I've never forgotten. :(

[panthera]

and you can just bet that BC is online seeing what people are saying about his past behavior as a husband and human being. Did everyone read the post from a 'friend' in Canada that said he never kept friends and that the people were not surprised or shocked and they figured he was capeable of something like this... It would be interesting to interview the ex~girlfriends. This poster stated that some ex~girlfriends were not surprised
I guess we won't be seeing them as 'defense' witnesses either. :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

I was wondering when you'd show up! There are a few here that you'll get along with just swell! lol :blowkiss:LOL When I see Wudge now...I know we are going to get scolded for something in defense of the person we believe to be "presumed guilty". :cursing:

[warrkat]

Oh yes, I'll never forget Blake and what he must have gone though being left alone in the house after seeing his mom 'in the rug' and maybe even her being killed. One positive note with Nancy's little girls, is they're going to be with her family and Nancy's twin sister ~ so they'll never forget what mom looked like. They'll be reminded of her every day! :)

They'll be okay. It's sad for them, because they've really lost both parents. Even if he didn't kill his wife, there's something wrong with that man. I think that if he is cleared, he'll go on to living a single life and never look back. That's just how he comes across to me........ too selfish to share his life with anybody

[MoonFlwr]

The older one will probably understand, and if she isn't told, she's going to think she's been abandoned. She's used to being with her mom every day, all day, apparently. The little one won't understand, and sadly, probably won't remember her mother. Remember little Blake, and how he "called' his mother on the cell phone? That broke my heart.

Yep, warrkat, I sure do remember that! :(

We watched that whole case unfold, piece by piece from the day Jessie went missing :(

[SeriouslySearching]

and you can just bet that BC is online seeing what people are saying about his past behavior as a husband and human being. Did everyone read the post from a 'friend' in Canada that said he never kept friends and that the people were not surprised or shocked and they figured he was capeable of something like this... It would be interesting to interview the ex~girlfriends. This poster stated that some ex~girlfriends were not surprisedThe poster's sn is Calgary123. He is very insightful into Brad's personality since he had lived with him at one time. I hope he comes back soon.

[piedmontmom]

I wonder if the girls are calling their aunt "Krista Mom" because of how similar the sisters looked?? It seems as if they had been calling her that for some time now. ITA, there is only one mom...but these girls could likely be raised by her as their mom.

The identical twin angle just makes this case all the more poignant. I was curious how they answered that particular question at the pressor. I bet at times, it would be a blessing and at times it would be painful. What a tough situation.

[Wudge]

LOL When I see Wudge now...I know we are going to get scolded for something in defense of the person we believe to be "presumed guilty". :cursing:

You do learn.

(smile)

[SeriouslySearching]

You do learn.

(smile)You don't have to whap me with that justice stick as hard this time, Wudge. LOL

[Coolmomof4]

interesting! He just graduated. His suicide attempt was reported as being around that time. A little stress from his thesis perhaps LOL

Yes, I believe I saw in the custody papers that he threatened suicide in WINTER 08. I take that to mean between January and mid-March of this year. Interestingly enough right around the time they increased the equity line by 55K.

And I understand about the tax-value increases. However, they increased their equity line twice since they opened it. Originally it was 10K, then 24K, then the 77K. Sounds like they were probably using the money to be increasing it like that.

[warrkat]

Yep, warrkat, I sure do remember that! :(

We watched that whole case unfold, piece by piece from the day Jessie went missing :(

So did I. I'm originally from Ohio, and relocated to North Carolina. I think crime is following me.

[Taximom]

LOL When I see Wudge now...I know we are going to get scolded for something in defense of the person we believe to be "presumed guilty". :cursing:

Well, Scott Peterson was CONVICTED and we still get scolded by various posters! It just makes for thicker skin around here, that's all. lol

[panthera]

They'll be okay. It's sad for them, because they've really lost both parents. Even if he didn't kill his wife, there's something wrong with that man. I think that if he is cleared, he'll go on to living a single life and never look back. That's just how he comes across to me........ too selfish to share his life with anybody
Because Brad didn't seem to contest having the children removed, I get an impression they really aren't that important to him. That says a lot, imo.

[panthera]

So did I. I'm originally from Ohio, and relocated to North Carolina. I think crime is following me.
It's really unusual and sad to have so many cases here in the news in such a short period of time. It used to be Florida!

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if the girls are calling their aunt "Krista Mom" because of how similar the sisters looked?? It seems as if they had been calling her that for some time now. ITA, there is only one mom...but these girls could likely be raised by her as their mom.

The identical twin angle just makes this case all the more poignant. I was curious how they answered that particular question at the pressor. I bet at times, it would be a blessing and at times it would be painful. What a tough situation.I believe that it will be very comforting for them the rest of their lives to look into Khrista's face and see their mother looking back. No one was as close to Nancy or loved her more than those three people.

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, Scott Peterson was CONVICTED and we still get scolded by various posters! It just makes for thicker skin around here, that's all. lolYes! LOL (pondering how many pounds thick skin adds to the scales? Thank goodness...I thought I was just getting fat!)

[warrkat]

Because Brad didn't seem to contest having the children removed, I get an impression they really aren't that important to him. That says a lot, imo.

The grandparents said that they weren't doing it out of malice. I think that when they saw him, or talked to him, even if they didn't think he killed their daughter, they realized that he was in no shape to care for his children.

Or, as you say, he may not even care.

[RoughlyCollie]

That's 5 hours of training each day, except for the 1 hour on Sunday.

How does anyone work a full-time job, train, and still have time for his or her family?

Further, it seems to me that since Brad was in training and still had 5 hours of work to do that Saturday, that he would have been very concerned about Nancy not being home by 2:51, when Mrs. Adam called the police.

Respectfully,
RC



Ironman training is beyond time consuming and it takes a lot of family support and understanding. The typical week of training in my family is this when preparing for a race:

monday~ morning run of 45 minutes followed by a 30 minute interval training on the fluid trainer

still on monday....at lunch swim laps for an hour. Ride bike to the pool and back to work...

still on monday.... eat dinner...(fast!)... gear up for two hour road ride followed by a 30 minute jog

[warrkat]

It's really unusual and sad to have so many cases here in the news in such a short period of time. It used to be Florida!

Still is. There's another little girl missing, and her mother didn't even report it until she was forced to.

Greta's on, Cooper case up next after commercial.

[jilly]

Maybe Nancy's family was smart enough to quickly hire the best firm in town so that Brad could not use that firm.

Susan

I was thinking that he might of retained counsel before they did but of course we don't know that.
I'd sure like to know who Nancy retained in March. It would make sense that her family would continue with the same firm.

[piedmontmom]

I believe that it will be very comforting for them the rest of their lives to look into Khrista's face and see their mother looking back. No one was as close to Nancy or loved her more than those three people.

ITA. With time it'll be easy for everyone and how lucky to see a resemblance. So for that reason, it doesn't bother me they call her Krista Mom...I remember feeling that was cute early on when I first heard.

[panthera]

I believe that it will be very comforting for them the rest of their lives to look into Khrista's face and see their mother looking back. No one was as close to Nancy or loved her more than those three people.
I completely agree. I think it will be a blessing to those two little girls. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Warrkat! I think Brad realizes he has more important issues at the moment he needs to be worried about. I don't think the children were ever the center of his universe, but I think he did the right thing here by allowing this to happen without a huge fight. Now, if he would only step up and be a man by telling the truth...

[IMHO63]

Hi! New here, just got approved. I have been reading the posts from the beginning for last few days. I actually live in the area of Cary where this happened, not same subdivision, very close. I did not know Nancy, but this just hits so close to home. I just feel so bad for her little girls. I am glad that they are with NC's family they really seem to be so loving and close. I will post more as I catch up with all of the other posts.

[chicoliving]

You do learn.

(smile)

No scaring the kids. :nono:


:D

[SeriouslySearching]

Did I just hear the name of the other woman is Heather on Greta?!

The big "twist" is news of the affair. We did know this already. (Groans)

The reporter has been hanging around the Harris Teeter store and has talked to 3 employees who say that LE did come in and were investigation "something", but they do not know exactly what on the tapes. They did not want to talk on camera or specify what the "something" could be.

[panthera]

Hi! New here, just got approved. I have been reading the posts from the beginning for last few days. I actually live in the area of Cary where this happened, not same subdivision, very close. I did not know Nancy, but this just hits so close to home. I just feel so bad for her little girls. I am glad that they are with NC's family they really seem to be so loving and close. I will post more as I catch up with all of the other posts.
Welcome! :seeya:

[panthera]

Did I just hear the name of the other woman is Heather on Greta?!

The big "twist" is news of the affair. We did know this already. (Groans)
Yes I heard that! She also said the children are in Canada, Nancy's family will be going back there and then coming back here for the next custody hearing on the 25th. :)

[Wudge]

You don't have to whap me with that justice stick as hard this time, Wudge. LOL

(chuckle)

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. Insensibly, one begins to twist the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. It biases the judgment."

Sherlock Holmes

[piedmontmom]

SS You did right...I did too. what was that. The reporter said Heather told a neighbor she had an affair.

BTW--Greta was wrong on some many bases. Her timeline is off on so much...she just made it seem like Brad was shopping for bleach while they were searching. She made it seem like her family only arrived Wed. She's just top lining it.

[lunarmodule]

I have been lurking for a few days and finally registered last night.

I think this is one of the most civil forums I've ever seen! Especially with subject matter being so controversial and emotional.

I live in Raleigh and have monitored this case since Saturday. I found it impossible to believe that this guy would be so nonchalant about his wife being gone, especially with small children. I have a five year old and my husband and I are always coordinating every minute, especially on weekends! Someone has to watch the kids at all time and when one gets "jail break" to run errands or something, the other needs to know when they'll be back. Watching two kids (2 & 4) is a lot of work and I find that most husbands (especially this Brad, based on my reading) can only deal with it in doses.

I think the Rentz family has been amazing. And very astute. I'm not surprised, based on the counsel they've retained. Wade Smith is legendary. I admit I know nothing about BC's attorneys...but their Web site touts "free parking" and "Visa/Mastercard accepted." Huh? He's likely facing a murder charge. I always joke with my husband that if I'm ever accused of murder to call Wade Smith or Joe Cheshire.

Lastly, could someone post the links to Brad's other web sites that have been mentioned? I've seen the "Adventures of" site. Someone also mentioned a Wake County site that showed home financing information. I know the real estate site but I didn't know there was one that detailed refi's and such.

Again, this is a great community and I've appreciated all of your comments and observations.

[miss lisa]

Did I just hear the name of the other woman is Heather on Greta?!

The big "twist" is news of the affair. We did know this already. (Groans)

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I caught that too! It might have been the neighbor's name BUT the reporter said that they knew who she was.:eek:

I'm hearing the music for jeopardy in my head!

[Wudge]

No scaring the kids. :nono:


:D

I see LE is rolling out the old bleach rumor. It's always good to toss that in the cauldron first.

[piedmontmom]

Hi! New here, just got approved. I have been reading the posts from the beginning for last few days. I actually live in the area of Cary where this happened, not same subdivision, very close. I did not know Nancy, but this just hits so close to home. I just feel so bad for her little girls. I am glad that they are with NC's family they really seem to be so loving and close. I will post more as I catch up with all of the other posts.


Hi and welcome from one newbie to another...I tried to get on yesterday but got called away and it took about 5 hours to get the go ahead to post.

[warrkat]

Welcome to WS, Warrkat! I think Brad realizes he has more important issues at the moment he needs to be worried about. I don't think the children were ever the center of his universe, but I think he did the right thing here by allowing this to happen without a huge fight. Now, if he would only step up and be a man by telling the truth...

I have to say, though, that I'm really bothered by how it was done. Maybe he knew they were going to court, and didn't fight it... I don't think we really know, one way or the other. What bothers me is that they were able to walk into court and say he did this, this, and this, and they were given the children. That is scary to me. What's to stop any grandparent, out of anger or vindictiveness, to take their grandchildren away from the bio parent?
Don't get me wrong... in this case, I'm sure the children are safer. Even if he's not guilty, he seems unstable, at least at this time. But if they take those kids to Canada for the memorial, it won't surprise me at all if they don't bring them back when the court hearing is held on the 25th. He may never see them again, whether he is found guilty or not.

[jilly]

Welcome! :seeya:

Hey Panthera! I think you own that smilie now don't ya?:D:wave:<This is mine! haha!

[Wudge]

I have been lurking for a few days and finally registered last night.

I think this is one of the most civil forums I've ever seen! Especially with subject matter being so controversial and emotional.

I live in Raleigh and have monitored this case since Saturday. I found it impossible to believe that this guy would be so nonchalant about his wife being gone, especially with small children. I have a five year old and my husband and I are always coordinating every minute, especially on weekends! Someone has to watch the kids at all time and when one gets "jail break" to run errands or something, the other needs to know when they'll be back. Watching two kids (2 & 4) is a lot of work and I find that most husbands (especially this Brad, based on my reading) can only deal with it in doses.

I think the Rentz family has been amazing. And very astute. I'm not surprised, based on the counsel they've retained. Wade Smith is legendary. I admit I know nothing about BC's attorneys...but their Web site touts "free parking" and "Visa/Mastercard accepted." Huh? He's likely facing a murder charge. I always joke with my husband that if I'm ever accused of murder to call Wade Smith or Joe Cheshire.

Lastly, could someone post the links to Brad's other web sites that have been mentioned? I've seen the "Adventures of" site. Someone also mentioned a Wake County site that showed home financing information. I know the real estate site but I didn't know there was one that detailed refi's and such.

Again, this is a great community and I've appreciated all of your comments and observations.


When it comes to LE and prosecutors, North Carolina is the most corrupt state in the nation.

Don't ever get in trouble there. Mike Nifong is the state's standard fare.

[warrkat]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I caught that too! It might have been the neighbor's name BUT the reporter said that they knew who she was.:eek:

I'm hearing the music for jeopardy in my head!

I heard them talking about it, but didn't catch the name.

[lunarmodule]

When it comes to LE and prosecutors, North Carolina is the most corrupt state in the nation.

Don't ever get in trouble there. Mike Nifong is the state's standard fare.

That's why you call Joe Cheshire! Or Wade Smith!:)

[Wudge]

That's why you call Joe Cheshire! Or Wade Smith!:)

titcr

[warrkat]

When it comes to LE and prosecutors, North Carolina is the most corrupt state in the nation.

Don't ever get in trouble there. Mike Nifong is the state's standard fare.

Don't know about the DA's, but the sheriffs seem to be in trouble in several counties. In my county, we just got a new one because the previous sheriff is facing a federal jail term (hasn't been sentenced yet).

Oh, great! Greta is back on football players! I'm going to bed.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, IMHO63, Lunarmodule, and all the newbies I may have missed!! (I have to catch up from early this morning still...so not ignoring anyone...I promise.) I look forward to all of your posts.

Lunar, you are so right about juggling young ones on the weekends. Basically, it is the only time a SAHM (stay at home mom) can get out to run errands without the children. I agree totally about Brad only being able to take the kids in small doses. Hell..he could only take his marriage in the same way.

[Wudge]

Don't know about the DA's, but the sheriffs seem to be in trouble in several counties. In my county, we just got a new one because the previous sheriff is facing a federal jail term (hasn't been sentenced yet).

Oh, great! Greta is back on football players! I'm going to bed.



Samo samo

[Wudge]

Welcome to WS, IMHO63, Lunarmodule, and all the newbies I may have missed!! (I have to catch up from early this morning still...so not ignoring anyone...I promise.) I look forward to all of your posts.

Lunar, you are so right about juggling young ones on the weekends. Basically, it is the only time a SAHM (stay at home mom) can get out to run errands without the children. I agree totally about Brad only being able to take the kids in small doses. Hell..he could only take his marriage in the same way.

Run down the evidence list.

[RR0004]

ITA. With time it'll be easy for everyone and how lucky to see a resemblance. So for that reason, it doesn't bother me they call her Krista Mom...I remember feeling that was cute early on when I first heard.
It doesn't bother me either...but the 4 year old should be told soon about her mom so she can separate the two in her own mind, and as SS said, be allowed to grieve. Four year olds are very intuitive...I've experienced it first hand.

[IMHO63]

If I remember correctly there was a post wondering if he had returned to work. I spoke to someone whose husband actually worked with him on occasion. (My dh also works at the same place, but fortunately did not know him. He does cringe though everytime BC is pictured wearing his cap.) He had not been back when I talked to her Wednesday and of course they wonder if he will ever be back.

This person's husband had worked with him on a couple of projects, but was not a "friend". He said from what he saw he was a laid back guy and that they did talk about their kids. He did go help and search and when he got with the group he was searching with and they introduced themselves they asked him how he knew BC and he said I work with him. The other members of the group just said "Oh" and they searched in silence. He thought that was a little odd, and of course we now know why. His group searched in an area that was totally the opposite from where NC was discovered.

I just hope this is all resolved soon.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to say, though, that I'm really bothered by how it was done. Maybe he knew they were going to court, and didn't fight it... I don't think we really know, one way or the other. What bothers me is that they were able to walk into court and say he did this, this, and this, and they were given the children. That is scary to me. What's to stop any grandparent, out of anger or vindictiveness, to take their grandchildren away from the bio parent?
Don't get me wrong... in this case, I'm sure the children are safer. Even if he's not guilty, he seems unstable, at least at this time. But if they take those kids to Canada for the memorial, it won't surprise me at all if they don't bring them back when the court hearing is held on the 25th. He may never see them again, whether he is found guilty or not.I would be willing to bet they had records from the hospital or LE to show Brad did in fact try to commit suicide. I would say they had other pieces of evidence to back up what they were saying was true about the prior situation between Brad and Nancy. They did not do this empty handed. This case demanded that someone take action to remove the children if they saw him "unraveling" before their eyes while spending some time with him. They did the right thing in the right way, imo. Less trauma for the children because of the timing, too. Who knows how crazy it could get around Brad in the next few weeks?!

If other grandparents have that kind of suspicion and can provide evidence...they by all means should try to take the kids away! However, a Judge should weigh it out and decide what is in the best interest of the children. He should investigate to know the motives of anyone trying to gain custody in any situation.

[lunarmodule]

titcr

Sorry to be such a newbie..what does that mean?

[SeriouslySearching]

Run down the evidence list.

OK. You want that in triplicate or will one copy suffice?

[tarheelfan78]

If Nancy kept a journal would it be admissible(sp?) in a custody case?

Welcome to all the new posters, I've been reading just not posting.

[piedmontmom]

It doesn't bother me either...but the 4 year old should be told soon about her mom so she can separate the two in her own mind, and as SS said, be allowed to grieve. Four year olds are very intuitive...I've experienced it first hand.

And ITA with that too. Earlier in the afternoon I had posted that I sure hoped they would explain it to the girls bc at the time of press release they said they hadn't said anything yet....at even at some point they said the girls hadn't even asked about her. That is surprising. And now, they won't be seeing dad...the 2yo may not care but the 4 yo has got to be confused.

Then when the gfa asked the press to respect their privacy tonight if the kids were there....I thouhgt it is going to be one tough afternoon BECAUSE certainly they wouldn't have brought them otherwise.

[Wudge]

Sorry to be such a newbie..what does that mean?

This is the credited response.

[SeriouslySearching]

If Nancy kept a journal would it be admissible(sp?) in a custody case?

Welcome to all the new posters, I've been reading just not posting.Excellent question, Tarheelfan! Wudge?

[panthera]

Hey Panthera! I think you own that smilie now don't ya?:D:wave:<This is mine! haha!
That's my favorite one now ~ I've always wanted the little waving one!! :) I like yours too!!

[SeriouslySearching]

And ITA with that too. Earlier in the afternoon I had posted that I sure hoped they would explain it to the girls bc at the time of press release they said they hadn't said anything yet....at even at some point they said the girls hadn't even asked about her. That is surprising. And now, they won't be seeing dad...the 2yo may not care but the 4 yo has got to be confused.

Then when the gfa asked the press to respect their privacy tonight if the kids were there....I thouhgt it is going to be one tough afternoon BECAUSE certainly they wouldn't have brought them otherwise.It bothers me to hear the girls haven't asked about her. This could mean the girls saw or heard something the night she went missing. They need to find out what the girls do know.

[curiositycat]

Did I just hear the name of the other woman is Heather on Greta?!

The big "twist" is news of the affair. We did know this already. (Groans)

The reporter has been hanging around the Harris Teeter store and has talked to 3 employees who say that LE did come in and were investigation "something", but they do not know exactly what on the tapes. They did not want to talk on camera or specify what the "something" could be.

I thought I heard that also! Wasn't sure if Griff said "whether" or Heather:confused:
I am surprised that no one has come out with that info yet. The police have to know who it is. I am sure they are making sure that the person had nothing to do with the murder either.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is the credited response.Oh, I wanted to tell her! Spoiled my fun!

[concernedperson]

It doesn't bother me either...but the 4 year old should be told soon about her mom so she can separate the two in her own mind, and as SS said, be allowed to grieve. Four year olds are very intuitive...I've experienced it first hand.The child should be told about her mom. In a way that is comforting for a 4 year old. Children know that something isn't right and it is unfair to them not to deal as directly as possible. Grieving is part of the process and normal and healthy to do so. This is such a terrible tragedy on all fronts and leaves so many victims.

I am so very sorry this has happened to Nancy and her loved ones.

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought I heard that also! Wasn't sure if Griff said "whether" or Heather:confused:
I am surprised that no one has come out with that info yet. The police have to know who it is. I am sure they are making sure that the person had nothing to do with the murder either.Doesn't anyone have TIVO?! :confused:

[Wudge]

If Nancy kept a journal would it be admissible(sp?) in a custody case?

Welcome to all the new posters, I've been reading just not posting.

Sans a stipulation from the other party and assuming it contained material evidence, if it was deemed to be competent evidence via a handwriting expert, it almost assuredly would be allowed.


(rules of evidence change little between courts; i.e., civil, family, criminal)

[panthera]

If Nancy kept a journal would it be admissible(sp?) in a custody case?

Welcome to all the new posters, I've been reading just not posting.
I don't think Nancy's family just walked into the court without some proof and the judge gave them temporary custody. It's very unusual in this state for that to happen. So, yes, if there was documentation by Nancy I'm sure it was admitted along with whatever else they could maybe from her lawyer and police reports if any were filed.

[MoonFlwr]

(chuckle)

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. Insensibly, one begins to twist the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. It biases the judgment."

Sherlock Holmes


Good quote! :)

[tarheelfan78]

Thanks Pathera & Wudge!!!

[Snowlover77]

I have to say, though, that I'm really bothered by how it was done. Maybe he knew they were going to court, and didn't fight it... I don't think we really know, one way or the other. What bothers me is that they were able to walk into court and say he did this, this, and this, and they were given the children. That is scary to me. What's to stop any grandparent, out of anger or vindictiveness, to take their grandchildren away from the bio parent?
Don't get me wrong... in this case, I'm sure the children are safer. Even if he's not guilty, he seems unstable, at least at this time. But if they take those kids to Canada for the memorial, it won't surprise me at all if they don't bring them back when the court hearing is held on the 25th. He may never see them again, whether he is found guilty or not.
I can understand whee you're coming from BUT one would have to have good evidence to get a judge to take away custody of their kids. A judge would know if one was sincere or just doing something out of anger...
this judge did the right thing imo. But I don't think just any grandparent could convicne a judge to take away someone's biological chuildren. The judge would have to be given credible evidence...hearsay would not be allowed.

[SeriouslySearching]

(chuckle)

"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. Insensibly, one begins to twist the facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. It biases the judgment."

Sherlock HolmesSince Sherlock Holmes was a fictional character, wouldn't it make this quote actually Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's? Just saying.

[audiogirl]

Finally... I'm approved! You guys are great! I have so many things I would love to comment on concerning BC but, unfortunately, I must decline at this time. I am a very (giving the NG "quote unquote" stance) "private" poster, therefore I will be keeping all posts to myself. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/basic/wink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[MagicRose99]

Finally... I'm approved! You guys are great! I have so many things I would love to comment on concerning BC but, unfortunately, I must decline at this time. I am a very (giving the NG "quote unquote" stance) "private" poster, therefore I will be keeping all posts to myself. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/basic/wink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

:eek:

And the purpose of this post is... ???

[Wudge]

Since Sherlock Holmes was a fictional character, wouldn't it make this quote actually Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's? Just saying.

Nah, not in discussing cases, Sherlock Holmes clearly gets the credit.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle only gets credit for "The Lost World" quotes.

(smile)

[Magister]

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks NC's law enforcement is the most corrupt, they really need to get out west.

Though it might reveal my location (see CyberPro's previous post), but around here, not only does everyone make fun of the cops and the fact that no one trusts them, but we've had jailbreaks because the guards had gone to buy crack for everyone; Guards routinely steal prisoner's belongings; Statewide there've been a couple of judges disciplined for exchanging sex for their opinions; We've had judges convicted of drugs and DWI; We've had on-duty cops committing burglary and armed robbery; Heck, if I might come back to just my small town, the magistrate's wife was recently busted for embezzlement and his secretary for forgery.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Audiogirl! We will respect that you want to remain silent and "private" at this time. I find the irony in your screenname tho. :) (Lurk away! We will wave to you now and then!)

[Snowlover77]

It bothers me to hear the girls haven't asked about her. This could mean the girls saw or heard something the night she went missing. They need to find out what the girls do know.
It concerns me very much that Bella has not asked about her mom. I have a 4 year old niece who spends the night with us at times and always she will ask where her mom is..even though she knows her mom is at home or at work. I am hoping Bella didn't witness anything in the house that night. My mind goes right back to little Blake in Jessie's case.
I hope they(therapist or LE) will soon talk to this little girl and try to find out what if anything she knows about what happened to her mom.

[MoonFlwr]

Love your signature pic and quote! ;)

[SeriouslySearching]

:eek:

And the purpose of this post is... ???It was to tell us how great she thinks we are! :)

[MagicRose99]

Love your signature pic and quote! ;)

Thanks!

[SeriouslySearching]

Nah, not in discussing cases, Sherlock Holmes clearly gets the credit.

Arthur Conan Doyle only gets credit for "The Lost World" quotes.

(smile)LOL I got you on a technicality here, Wudge. :takeabow:

[Taximom]

There's this Heather:
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6267674
"It doesn't make you feel safer, it just makes you feel sad more than anything. I just hate that it happened to her, no matter what happened hopefully it will come to justice," Nancy Cooper's neighbor Heather Benicek said.

[Taximom]

Totally off-topic, but it's nice to see Wudge (smiling).

[Wudge]

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks NC's law enforcement is the most corrupt, they really need to get out west.

Though it might reveal my location (see CyberPro's previous post), but around here, not only does everyone make fun of the cops and the fact that no one trusts them, but we've had jailbreaks because the guards had gone to buy crack for everyone; Guards routinely steal prisoner's belongings; Statewide there've been a couple of judges disciplined for exchanging sex for their opinions; We've had judges convicted of drugs and DWI; We've had on-duty cops committing burglary and armed robbery; Heck, if I might come back to just my small town, the magistrate's wife was recently busted for embezzlement and his secretary for forgery.

Bakersfield, Ca.?

(runnerup to the state of NC)

[Wudge]

Totally off-topic, but it's nice to see Wudge (smiling).

TY TY

(hugs)

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks for the link TaxiMom :)

I wonder why they are suddenly blurring the girls' faces on the images, when they have been slathered all over the media already?

Maybe to stop the girls from seeing themselves in the media, from now on? (In line with grandparents' request?)

[Wudge]

SNIP

I got you on a technicality here, Wudge.

SNIP



"The temptation to form premature theories upon insufficient data is the bane of this profession."

Sherlock Holmes (appropriately)

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks NC's law enforcement is the most corrupt, they really need to get out west.

Though it might reveal my location (see CyberPro's previous post), but around here, not only do everyone make fun of the cops and the fact that no one trusts them, but we've had jailbreaks because the guards had gone to buy crack for everyone; Guards routinely steal prisoner's belongings; Statewide there've been a couple of judges disciplined for exchanging sex for their opinions; We've had judges convicted of drugs and DWI; We've had on-duty cops committing burgulary and armed robbery; Heck, if I might come back to just my small town, the magistrate's wife was recently busted for embezzlement and his secretary for forgery.Wow! And to think we only have a Judge that uses sexual aid devices during trials, cops admitting to stealing and selling guns off the shooting range and from the property room, and such!! We just had a lawyer disbarred for trading sex for services here, too. I guess you have us on that whole cops committing armed robbery thing tho. LOL

[wicket]

The information you folks find! I'm going to stay on all of your good sides - in case I ever go missing. I won't be out there jogging....my neighbors would collapse from shock and laughter.
Have a question: how far from the house was NC found? Has anyone googled her home and the location where they found her?
Also, it seems sort of convenient that the murder happened on a Sat when workers would most likely not be at the building site. In the summer, many home builders go in very early just as the sun is coming up and call it a day around 2:00 pm when it becomes unbearable.
I also have to wonder where all that home equity money went to. Did they do a lot of improving to the property or was it just a line of credit.

[Taximom]

Holy mackeral, I'm going to faint. HUGS too!! :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :woohoo:

I apologize in advance if that Heather is not who GVS was referring too. It's just info right now and it was her quote on the news site. That HB is "ecstatic" on her myspace...

[curiositycat]

There's this Heather:
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6267674
"It doesn't make you feel safer, it just makes you feel sad more than anything. I just hate that it happened to her, no matter what happened hopefully it will come to justice," Nancy Cooper's neighbor Heather Benicek said.
Great sleuthing Taxi!!!! As usual:)

[Wudge]

SNIP

Have a question: how far from the house was NC found?


SNIP



Three miles.

[Taximom]

The information you folks find! I'm going to stay on all of your good sides - in case I ever go missing. I won't be out there jogging....my neighbors would collapse from shock and laughter.
Have a question: how far from the house was NC found? Has anyone googled her home and the location where they found her?
Also, it seems sort of convenient that the murder happened on a Sat when workers would most likely not be at the building site. In the summer, many home builders go in very early just as the sun is coming up and call it a day around 2:00 pm when it becomes unbearable.
I also have to wonder where all that home equity money went to. Did they do a lot of improving to the property or was it just a line of credit.


Wicket, that cracked me up. We have been known to go all out for some *ahem* posters that don't post as they normally do after a few weeks. :)

I don't have the exact mileage, but she was found less than 3 or 4 miles away, I believe. All of that is in prior threads about this case.

Welcome!

[MagicRose99]

It was to tell us how great she thinks we are! :)

Oh! LOL! I didn't get that...

[Taximom]

TY, curiositycat. :blowkiss:

[Magister]

I guess you have us on that whole cops committing armed robbery thing tho. LOL

Technically, she was an "investigator" and she only robbed those banks (while on-duty and driving her state vehicle) because her identity theft scheme couldn't keep up with her gambling debts.

[panthera]

There's this Heather:
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6267674
"It doesn't make you feel safer, it just makes you feel sad more than anything. I just hate that it happened to her, no matter what happened hopefully it will come to justice," Nancy Cooper's neighbor Heather Benicek said.
thanks so much! :blowkiss:

[christine2448]

Please continue discussions here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2394806#post2394806)