Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #6

[christine2448]

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[MoonFlwr]

Thanks, Christine :)

SuziQ, thanks for the other link, seeing as WRAL was having probs today!

[calidreamin]

Thanks christine:)

[RoseRed]

Thank you Christine

[Blink34]

Paraphrasing and Recapping as I am in a hurry:

Megyn Kelly interviewing Mark Furhman on the case:

POI is actually a "press term" and NOT an LE term, Le invented it when they started talking t the press about cases. I is a term that the public is aware of, can allay fears about a crime, and shows progress in an investigation, sometimes when not enough evidence to arrest to keep "POI" on alert.

There are only 3 options or classifications following the initial conversations with police as the case is opening ( in this case they corroberated with Brad she was indeed missing and also the initial concentual searches).
They are:
1. Victim
2. Witness
3. Suspect

In his opinion there is zero evidence pointing to anyone but the husband that he has seen. He felt nancy did the groundwork and is speaking from her grave, that if she had not, that the grandparents probably would not have the children in their care right now.

If the "Bleach" purchase is true and verified, she was killed at the home.
When asked why the LE is saying they are pleased with the progress of their investigation why they won't name a suspect, he said simply they have interviewed a SMALL group of friends, and he suspects they have a strong forensic case as well as other physical evidence.

There was no mention of partially clothed, COD, and they mentioned at the end the bleach coment has not been commented on by LE other than the no confirm or deny. ( I say READ WS!!!)

[SeriouslySearching]

Can't stay, but thought I would mention the car seats were probably in the house due to the children being with the grandparents earlier. They probably returned the children with car seats in hand meaning they would be in the house. I don't find it is because he intentionally removed them.

Welcome to WS, Belimom!

[SeriouslySearching]

I love it when Mark Furhman takes the time to agree with me. LOL Thanks for that update, Blink!

[christine2448]

He felt nancy did the groundwork and is speaking from her grave, that if she had not, that the grandparents probably would not have the children in their care right now.


Interesting comment.

Thanks for taking the time Blink34:blowkiss:

[Blink34]

Throwing this out there from last eve, I don't think alot saw it and it is bugging me-

On both NG and Greta, I heard that the kids passports were removed from Nancy's car and given to the grandparents. Does that change anyone else's opinion that this dude thought of EVERYTHING and maybe this was premeditated/planned?

If you recall, in the affidavit, NC says BC confiscated passports circa Feb/Mar now they are in her car "all along"? I would be interestd to know if LE ran across them when they initially did the concentual search or if they "appeared" after. If he is not in the clink on 7/25 expect that issue to surface at the custody hearing for sure.

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks for the info regarding Mark Fuhrman's interview, Blink! :)

POI is actually a "press term" and NOT an LE term, Le invented it when they started talking t the press about cases. I is a term that the public is aware of, can allay fears about a crime, and shows progress in an investigation, sometimes when not enough evidence to arrest to keep "POI" on alert

I did not know this, so thanks!

[apexmama]

Not much time today...can someone quickly recap the 9am press conference, please?

Thanks so much -- I love this site!

[MoonFlwr]

The Press Conference had the Police Chief stating that the investigation is still underway - no POI or arrest yet. She stated she wouldn't be fielding questions, but that Nancy's family would talk to press about the children (she stated...no talk about Brad or investigation).

Nancy's family talked about the girls and which parts of their personality were the same as Nancy's.
They recalled funny and touching incidents from times spent together and mentioned that they will be going back to Canada on Sunday. The girls have a cousin a little younger than Bella.

The Press asked if they could be outside at tomorrow's vigil and Nancy's dad said it was ok with him but PLEASE to go easy on the girls and not make a big deal of them etc.

Police Chief said another PC will be called when a POI is announced or an arrest is made.

I think I ommitted one or 2 things, but it's 30 minutes past pumpkin hour here, so I have an excuse! ;)

[Class-z]

Throwing this out there from last eve, I don't think alot saw it and it is bugging me-

On both NG and Greta, I heard that the kids passports were removed from Nancy's car and given to the grandparents. Does that change anyone else's opinion that this dude thought of EVERYTHING and maybe this was premeditated/planned?

If you recall, in the affidavit, NC says BC confiscated passports circa Feb/Mar now they are in her car "all along"? I would be interestd to know if LE ran across them when they initially did the concentual search or if they "appeared" after. If he is not in the clink on 7/25 expect that issue to surface at the custody hearing for sure.

My understanding was, that Brad had taken them from Nancy's car. The grand parents requested they be turned over so the chidlren could go to Canada to attend the memorial service for their mother.

Brad had taken them so that Nancy couldnt' leave the country with the girls, as her plan was to move to Canada with her sister.

[headndownstream]

I feel so sorry for Nancy's life. She had no idea how it would feel/and how tripped up she could become when following her husband to another country so he could move up in his career. He could go get his MBA, enter into his sports, have his girlfriend, and she could take care of him, and that's it?

She gave up her career. I'm more than sure she was happy being a SAHM. I was when my first was born. We had just moved to another state. My profession requires a state license and in that state it required more classes and retesting. I wasn't into it, I wanted to be with my baby anyway. But after two years, my self esteem was low, I couldn't relate with women friends I met at parties. I was best at baby-talk, and it made me feel terrible.

If Nancy had lowered self esteem, couple that with a bully husband, well, she had to be terribly unhappy, and trapped.

I want to thank any of her friends who are hanging here, she needed you much more than you will ever know, and I know she loved you. Remember that when you meet new friends. It doesn't matter where they live, or how successful their life appears, they may need you more that you know!

[Blink34]

My understanding was, that Brad had taken them from Nancy's car. The grand parents requested they be turned over so the chidlren could go to Canada to attend the memorial service for their mother.

Brad had taken them so that Nancy couldnt' leave the country with the girls, as her plan was to move to Canada with her sister.

Yes thanks, that I know, but the point I am throwing out there is - if they were CONFISCATED as is stated in the affidavit, and she had no access to them, and he is Witnessed removing them from HER vehicle- what does that mean to everyone here? The car was searched on Sat aft, were they there then, if so, to me he thought of putting them back, maybe in her purse that was found in the car that she DID not drive that eve, and to me that opens up the possibility this is no fight got outta hand- it may have been planned...

If they were located in the car (I doubt, Im certain LE would have asked him to hold onto them, absolutelty) than he will say ( if available) that he never took the passports, she had them all the time, and she could have left- voilla no motive...

[TGIRecovered]

Throwing this out there from last eve, I don't think alot saw it and it is bugging me-

On both NG and Greta, I heard that the kids passports were removed from Nancy's car and given to the grandparents. Does that change anyone else's opinion that this dude thought of EVERYTHING and maybe this was premeditated/planned?

If you recall, in the affidavit, NC says BC confiscated passports circa Feb/Mar now they are in her car "all along"? I would be interestd to know if LE ran across them when they initially did the concentual search or if they "appeared" after. If he is not in the clink on 7/25 expect that issue to surface at the custody hearing for sure.

I've thought all along that Brad did not just snap from being a normal husband who would never consider killing his wife to an accidental murderer. Sure, he was probably angry or in a rage when he did it, but I think this is something that has been whirling around in his mind for a while.

It is obvious to me, that Brad was so into himself that his wife was only a teeny tiny part of his life. He had no time to be a husband, he was too busy being Brad. In his mind, everything else in his life was going great, if he could just get rid of Nancy, he'd be free to live as he pleased.

I'm not so sure that he planned the exact time and place he would kill her. He may have just been waiting for an excuse to pounce, like an animal stalking it's next meal.

ETA:
As to the passport situation- I wonder if he had staged the purse and the passports in Nancy's car to make it appear that she was preparing to flee with the children to Canada. Maybe he thought he would have more time to finish setting the scene and getting his story straight, but was caught off-guard when the friend immediately called the police.

JMO
Susan

[apexmama]

Thanks, Moonflwr. Much appreciated.

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks, Moonflwr. Much appreciated.

De nada! :)

[Class-z]

I've thought all along that Brad did not just snap from being a normal husband who would never consider killing his wife to an accidental murderer. Sure, he was probably angry or in a rage when he did it, but I think this is something that has been whirling around in his mind for a while.

It is obvious to me, that Brad was so into himself that his wife was only a teeny tiny part of his life. He had no time to be a husband, he was too busy being Brad. In his mind, everything else in his life was going great, if he could just get rid of Nancy, he'd be free to live as he pleased.

I'm not so sure that he planned the exact time and place he would kill her. He may have just been waiting for an excuse to pounce, like an animal stalking it's next meal.

ETA:
As to the passport situation- I wonder if he had staged the purse and the passports in Nancy's car to make it appear that she was preparing to flee with the children to Canada. Maybe he thought he would have more time to finish setting the scene and getting his story straight, but was caught off-guard when the friend immediately called the police.

JMO
Susan

Does anyone else have the feeling that the suicide threat may have just been to make him look more sympathic for after the murder, like he wouldn't kill his wife?

And has it been released yet what she was wearing when her body was found? I'm sorry, having a hard time catching up with all the posts.

But she should of been in jogging clothes if his story is true. Not that he couldnt' of redressed the body, but I'm just sayin................................. It could be like Scott with the black pants

[cheko1]

Paraphrasing and Recapping as I am in a hurry:

Megyn Kelly interviewing Mark Furhman on the case:

POI is actually a "press term" and NOT an LE term, Le invented it when they started talking t the press about cases. I is a term that the public is aware of, can allay fears about a crime, and shows progress in an investigation, sometimes when not enough evidence to arrest to keep "POI" on alert.

There are only 3 options or classifications following the initial conversations with police as the case is opening ( in this case they corroberated with Brad she was indeed missing and also the initial concentual searches).
They are:
1. Victim
2. Witness
3. Suspect

In his opinion there is zero evidence pointing to anyone but the husband that he has seen. He felt nancy did the groundwork and is speaking from her grave, that if she had not, that the grandparents probably would not have the children in their care right now.

If the "Bleach" purchase is true and verified, she was killed at the home.
When asked why the LE is saying they are pleased with the progress of their investigation why they won't name a suspect, he said simply they have interviewed a SMALL group of friends, and he suspects they have a strong forensic case as well as other physical evidence.

There was no mention of partially clothed, COD, and they mentioned at the end the bleach coment has not been commented on by LE other than the no confirm or deny. ( I say READ WS!!!)


Thanks for the recap Blink!!!!
I have the Grandbabies today so will keep checking back!

[raisincharlie]

Throwing this out there from last eve, I don't think alot saw it and it is bugging me-

On both NG and Greta, I heard that the kids passports were removed from Nancy's car and given to the grandparents. Does that change anyone else's opinion that this dude thought of EVERYTHING and maybe this was premeditated/planned?

If you recall, in the affidavit, NC says BC confiscated passports circa Feb/Mar now they are in her car "all along"? I would be interestd to know if LE ran across them when they initially did the concentual search or if they "appeared" after. If he is not in the clink on 7/25 expect that issue to surface at the custody hearing for sure.

I have learned to take Nancy Grace with a huge grain of salt. Not only is she rude to those who disagree with her, she also has a tendency to say what she thinks rather than what is fact. It's her show - quess she is allowed, however I find it rather unhelpful to those that want the reality rather than the grandstanding.

Greta seems more distracted with politics and Brett Farve...

[cheko1]

I am very impressed with Nancy's family. What an admirable bunch of people. You can tell every move they make is thought out & done with a great deal of compassion for Nancy & the girls. Kudos to them all!!!!!

Brad may think he is cool & gonna get away with murder. But I sure wouldn't want to mess with her family / they mean business & I am so proud of them.

[Jess]

RY, N.C. - Two little girls unaware their mother, a former Edmonton woman, was killed several days ago are the family's primary concern as they weigh how to tell the children about their mother's grim fate.



s daughters, Bella, 4, and Katie, 2, are being cared for by the family, in particular their mother's twin sister Khrista Lister, who they sometimes call "Khrista mom." The family believes the girls don't know their mother was killed and that her death is the subject of a police investigation.




Rentz said he and the family are coping the best they can.

"It's certainly all about those two girls at this point," he said.

Jim Lister, Cooper's brother-in-law, said they are working to set up a trust fund for Bella and Katie to which people in both the United States and Canada would be able to contribute.

Rentz said Lister works for Sleeman Brewing, and that the family is taking up the company's offer to provide grief counsellors, who they said they will meet with Friday to discuss what to tell the children.

"(They're) going to help us understand how to make news appropriately available to the children," Rentz said.

Meanwhile, Cooper's mother Donna Rentz said there has been a huge outpouring of support for the family, particularly in Edmonton, where she said the tree in front of their house is adorned with white ribbons.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2008/07/18/6195396-cp.html

[OregonMommy]

I agree with you about the family, Cheko1. They are handling this with grace and class - and you get the feeling that they are in control and really do mean business. They are obviously very intelligent people, and they seem to be such good people. How in the world did Nancy end up with Brad, I wonder? They have been married for 8 years, so she was 26 when they wed. Still so young. Sounds like she had figured him out and was preparing to take control of her life, and that her family was rallying around her in the last few months. This whole thing makes me so very sad.

Question, as I am new to this board - what does "IMO" mean? I keep seeing it!

[NC-Curious]

IMO- In My Opinion

[zelmajane]

I'm originally from this area, so I've followed the story very closely.

I was so relieved to get online yesterday on wral.com and read that he no longer had the children. I was so worried about those girls. I'm still worried about the girls, but I believe they're in good hands now.

Also, about the passports being in the car. I read somewhere along the way that she had just gotten back from a visit to Canada. Let me go find it...

[fran]

In case this hasn't already been posted. There's also a video at link.

fran

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25732503/

Is husband secret focus in slain mom case?
Expert: Decision to give children to relatives suggests police suspect spouse

The husband of slain North Carolina mother Nancy Cooper has not been named a suspect in her killing, but the fact that a judge agreed with her family that Bradley Cooper “posed a danger” to their two children suggests police may be investigating the spouse, a legal expert said Friday.

“To take the kids away from a biological parent is a big deal,” NBC chief legal correspondent Dan Abrams told TODAY’s Natalie Morales. “It tells us that they’re looking at the husband.”

<<<<<<<<<full story at link>>>>>>>>>>

[OregonMommy]

Thank you!!! Duh......

Have a good Friday, everyone. Maybe today is the day that they take BC in. Actually, I think that the Lake Placid Triathlon is Sunday, and that he has been training for hours and hours every day so he can do it. On his very own website, he sounded extremely bummed that he couldn't compete in it last year. Well, he certainly won't be there this year, that is for sure. Hopefully he will be behind bars on Sunday. Sadly, if he is - he will most likely be more upset that he is missing his triathlon than he is about his wife or his predicament.

[stillblv]

Thank you!!! Duh......

Have a good Friday, everyone. Maybe today is the day that they take BC in. Actually, I think that the Lake Placid Triathlon is Sunday, and that he has been training for hours and hours every day so he can do it. On his very own website, he sounded extremely bummed that he couldn't compete in it last year. Well, he certainly won't be there this year, that is for sure. Hopefully he will be behind bars on Sunday. Sadly, if he is - he will most likely be more upset that he is missing his triathlon than he is about his wife or his predicament.

I read that the police chief said today that there will be no arrest over the weekend.

[Pepper]

I read that the police chief said today that there will be no arrest over the weekend.
Wonder what they're waiting for? Could he be a flight risk? Where does his family live?

[NC-Curious]

I'm originally from this area, so I've followed the story very closely.

I was so relieved to get online yesterday on wral.com and read that he no longer had the children. I was so worried about those girls. I'm still worried about the girls, but I believe they're in good hands now.

Also, about the passports being in the car. I read somewhere along the way that she had just gotten back from a visit to Canada. Let me go find it...
I'm pretty sure Nancy and the kids vacationed with her family in Hilton Head since she did not have the passports to travel to Canada.

[calidreamin]

I read that the police chief said today that there will be no arrest over the weekend.

I wonder what is taking so long, maybe it takes that long for the forensics to come back.

[Taximom]

That's what I think, Cali. I hope they have a really good forensics case.

[Jess]

Wonder what they're waiting for? Could he be a flight risk? Where does his family live?


He is from Medicine Hat, a city in southern Alberta. I had heard that his brother was on his way to NC a few days ago and that his father was out of the country .

[Coolmomof4]

I read that the police chief said today that there will be no arrest over the weekend.

Well that's telling. Sounds like they don't expect to find the "real killer" over the weekend. Another big hint that they know who did it.

[Taximom]

Good catch, coolmom. If they didn't know who the killer was, the answer would have been quite different!

[Aimee729]

Well that's telling. Sounds like they don't expect to find the "real killer" over the weekend. Another big hint that they know who did it.

:confused:Ugghhh....are they waiting for BC to try something else??? I hate the waiting- but I bet he hates it more. :crazy:

[stillblv]

:confused:Ugghhh....are they waiting for BC to try something else??? I hate the waiting- but I bet he hates it more. :crazy:

I think they're pulling their case together.

[nanandjim]

I'm pretty sure Nancy and the kids vacationed with her family in Hilton Head since she did not have the passports to travel to Canada.
I've seen the passport problem mentioned several times. I actually thought that you could use birth certificates if you drove by car. Maybe, they wanted to fly. I think that, if you fly, you need your passports to come back to the U.S.

[headndownstream]

Do you think he will let himself be taken? Do you know what I'm saying here?

[murdershewrote]

wouldn't surprise me if he did run that Lake Placid Triathalon...have police told him not to leave the area?

[stillblv]

Do you think he will let himself be taken? Do you know what I'm saying here?

If you're saying that he might flee or commit suicide, I think that either are definately possible but I would hope his family/friends would keep him from doing that. And I'm sure the police are watching him very closely especially because the affadavit mentioned he was possibly mentally unstable.

[zelmajane]

Just on Fox News.

The family has a webpage.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com

(I apologize if it has been posted before)

[fran]

I think they're pulling their case together.

Hmmmmm...........wonder if he's planning on attending his wife's funeral. Isn't that going to be in Canada? I don't think they're going to want to take a chance on him fleeing the country.

I think we need to just sit back and watch LE. They, ehhhh.......KNOW what they're doing. I believe we've seen this before.:rolleyes:

;)
fran

[fran]

Just on Fox News.

The family has a webpage.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com

(I apologize if it has been posted before)

No need to apologize. It has been posted before but it's buried deep down and we appreciate a refresher. :)

Welcome to Websleuths!

fran

[stillblv]

Hmmmmm...........wonder if he's planning on attending his wife's funeral. Isn't that going to be in Canada? I don't think they're going to want to take a chance on him fleeing the country.

I think we need to just sit back and watch LE. They, ehhhh.......KNOW what they're doing. I believe we've seen this before.:rolleyes:

;)
fran


You know what I think is very strange is that we've heard NOTHING about or from Brad's family. Are they in town? Does anybody know? I mean, they've lost a daughter in law.

[NC-Curious]

[QUOTE=fran;2392863]Hmmmmm...........wonder if he's planning on attending his wife's funeral. Isn't that going to be in Canada? I don't think they're going to want to take a chance on him fleeing the country.

Interesting question. If he is trying to appear innocent, wouldn't he want to be there?

[joanofarc]

You know what I think is very strange is that we've heard NOTHING about or from Brad's family. Are they in town? Does anybody know? I mean, they've lost a daughter in law.

They live in Medicine Hat, Alberta. Brad's dad is the vice-president academic of Medicine Hat College. Word is he is out of the country right now...perhaps they are having a hard time locating them...his brother was suppose to be on his way to NC to see what he can do in the meantime.

I was looking at the MHC webpage...it appears Grant (Brad's brother) is a computer tech also and works at Med Hat College in their IT dept.

[fran]

Brad and his lawyer and family are very well aware, that although Brad has NOT been named a suspect or POI, he's the focus of LE's investigation. Everyone is saying it and it is the topic in the entire town.

The husband most likely will NOT be at the services in Canada next week. I'm almost positive of that.

He is probably, as we type, conferring with his attorney. His family (brother) may be with him as well.

What he's telling his attorney I have no idea, but I can just imagine what his attorney is telling him. :rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[stillblv]

They live in Medicine Hat, Alberta. Brad's dad is the vice-president academic of Medicine Hat College. Word is he is out of the country right now...perhaps they are having a hard time locating them...his brother was suppose to be on his way to NC to see what he can do in the meantime. I was looking at the MC webpage...it appears Grant (Brad's brother) is a computer tech also and works at Med Hat College in their IT dept.


Yeah, I heard all of that 2 or 3 days ago and nothing else since.

[stillblv]

Brad and his lawyer and family are very well aware, that although Brad has NOT been named a suspect or POI, he's the focus of LE's investigation. Everyone is saying it and it is the topic in the entire town.

The husband most likely will NOT be at the services in Canada next week. I'm almost positive of that.

He is probably, as we type, conferring with his attorney. His family (brother) may be with him as well.

What he's telling his attorney I have no idea, but I can just imagine what his attorney is telling him. :rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

Well, we've heard what his attorney is telling the media! "Brad is devestated."

As he should be.

[pjop]

I have learned to take Nancy Grace with a huge grain of salt. Not only is she rude to those who disagree with her, she also has a tendency to say what she thinks rather than what is fact. It's her show - quess she is allowed, however I find it rather unhelpful to those that want the reality rather than the grandstanding.

Greta seems more distracted with politics and Brett Farve...


I had to stop watching Nancy Grace because of the "grandstanding." Love that description. It fits perfectly. I couldn't take it.

[WI Friend]

Well, we've heard what his attorney is telling the media! "Brad is devestated."

As he should be.

From what I have read about him, I would guess that he is "devastated" because his life is being inconvenienced at the moment and he may have to miss his triathlon. IMO.

[belimom]

Just on Fox News.

The family has a webpage.
http://nancycooper.blogspot.com

(I apologize if it has been posted before)

I also visited that page yesterday, and saw something on that site that I had not seen before (I apologize, also, if this has been mentioned...):

When asked why a family member had not been asked to identify the body, the Chief said that they could not tell if this was Nancy, and the family should not be subjected unnecessarily. If it is not Nancy, the family of the woman found should be the ones to do the identification.

[zelmajane]

Belimom-

I know if it was a member of my family, I would send the dental records and take someones word for it. I don't want to see that.

[belimom]

Belimom-

I know if it was a member of my family, I would send the dental records and take someones word for it. I don't want to see that.

Oh, I totally agree...! I think the part that got me was that they would not be able to recognize her. I could be wrong - I'm new to this "sleuthing"! - but it seems to me that, unless she was seriously decomposed, then she may have been injured beyond the point of recognition... :(

[warrkat]

Hello, Everyone.

I just registered a couple of days ago, and can't stay long right now because I'm at work. Did see this at WRAL, and thought you'd all want to know.

http://www.wral.com/
Attorneys for Brad Cooper, whose wife's body was found earlier this week, say they will hold a news conference at 4 p.m. today.
They will be streaming live on WRAL.

It's really HARD to follow 2 cases at once, and do one's work, too.

[WI Friend]

Oh, I totally agree...! I think the part that got me was that they would not be able to recognize her. I could be wrong - I'm new to this "sleuthing"! - but it seems to me that, unless she was seriously decomposed, then she may have been injured beyond the point of recognition... :(


I thought the same thing. I was talking about this at work and a co-worker said that many times people are not able to be recognized because of the animal activity in the area. It breaks my heart.

[Knoxx]

Thanks warrkat, you are a sweetheart!

[miss lisa]

Attorneys for Brad Cooper, whose wife's body was found earlier this week, say they will hold a news conference at 4 p.m. today.
They will be streaming live on WRAL.



Makes one wonder just what his attorny's news conference is about. Hopefully he fessed up and turn himself in.:clap:

[Topsail Girl]

Hey Warrkat. It's good to see you.Thanks for the link!!

[SuziQ]

Hello, Everyone.

I just registered a couple of days ago, and can't stay long right now because I'm at work. Did see this at WRAL, and thought you'd all want to know.

http://www.wral.com/
Attorneys for Brad Cooper, whose wife's body was found earlier this week, say they will hold a news conference at 4 p.m. today.
They will be streaming live on WRAL.

It's really HARD to follow 2 cases at once, and do one's work, too.

Thanks for the heads up! And welcome to WS!

[warrkat]

You're all welcome........ and thanks

[nanandjim]

I have learned to take Nancy Grace with a huge grain of salt. Not only is she rude to those who disagree with her, she also has a tendency to say what she thinks rather than what is fact. It's her show - quess she is allowed, however I find it rather unhelpful to those that want the reality rather than the grandstanding.

Greta seems more distracted with politics and Brett Farve...
I think that Nancy's over-the-top hosting is just an act. You can see all of her guests laugh when she cuts them off or corrects them. I think that they must discuss what they are going to say and which side they are going to take before hand. I actually am kind of amused (usually) by her behavior. She oftentimes seems like a caricature of herself. ;)

BTW, she's doing what works for her. Her likeness has been featured on several shows; and I believe that she played herself in some new movie. She was also spoofed on SNL, wasn't she?

[dancingdaisy]

I'm eager to hear what BC's lawyers are gonna say....

[maconrich]

It's the way she cuts people off when they're talking that annoys me, and I only watch if she's covering something I'm specifically interested in...
Anyway, wouldn't it be a switch if Brad does fess up?? I know if would surprise me to no end and back! Right now I'm figuring he'll talk about the kids; how much he loves them and thinks they need to be away from the situation for a little while - making it look like he's letting them stay with Nancy's family out of the goodness of his heart / his concern for the children. Maybe about how he's not going to the funeral out of consideration for the family... Maybe something about him never taking their passports but probably not - more likely the same od bs... And I sooo hope I'm wrong!!

[EnvoyDriver61]

I bet the lawyers will do one or all of the following:

refute items on the child custody case that have been made public

announce that he won't be attending the funeral at the request of his in-laws or whatever

thank the public for their support, remind the public that their client has not been charged with a crime, and/or offer some sort of minimal reward for capture of the "real" killers who are still out there and the LE should be focusing on these dangerous criminals still on the loose.

i.e., remove focus from their client in any way possible.

[Smugshots]

I'm eager to hear what BC's lawyers are gonna say....

Me too! You think he might turn him self in? Or maybe it's just a ploy and they'll announce a reward for information.

I'm at work and can't watch, I hope someone keeps us posted on here. :)

[Sewing_Buddy]

Maybe he thought he would have more time to finish setting the scene and getting his story straight, but was caught off-guard when the friend immediately called the police.

JMO
Susan

I am so excited to join this network of sleuths. My hubbie doesn't understand my interest in these types of stories but I'm intrigued with how people think/act in desperate situations.
I doubt Brad knew about Nancy's plans to meet with her friend on Saturday morning. They probably weren't communicating very much if there were "marital problems". IMO he was expecting to have more time before people started asking questions about Nancy's whereabouts.

[NC-Curious]

Me too! You think he might turn him self in? Or maybe it's just a ploy and they'll announce a reward for information.

I'm at work and can't watch, I hope someone keeps us posted on here. :)
I'll be here...updating...anxious.

[NC-Curious]

The only way Brad Cooper would turn himself in is if his lawyers have convinced him there is enough evidence to convict and get the death penalty. He'd need to save himself...IMO
I don't buy the threatened suicide thing. He may have said it, but it was only to guilt Nancy....Woe is me...Leave and I'll kill myself...right...right..

[Smugshots]

Does anyone else think it's odd after reading Brad's blog where he talks about how he just got his MBA, and has a Cisco certification and is training etc..., just doesn't sound like someone contemplating suicide.

[petra]

I've seen the passport problem mentioned several times. I actually thought that you could use birth certificates if you drove by car. Maybe, they wanted to fly. I think that, if you fly, you need your passports to come back to the U.S.

NC would also have needed a notarized letter of approval by BC to take the girls out of the US. Or a court order, sole parent-custody paperwork, etc.
This is in place to protect the kidnaping of children across borders.
You need to have both parents permission.
Lots of paperwork ...and if one party is not willing you can not cross the border.

IIRC, I thought I read somewhere that NC was planning to sendthe kids to her sistersfor a while ( a holiday/vacation). The girls would probably have flown then with written consent forms from both parents.

BC apparently gave NC permission to go visit her family in Canada with the girls, but then took the passsports away. :mad:

[Smugshots]

I'll be here...updating...anxious.


Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Funny, we were both just thinking of that suicide attempt. Just doesn't make sense.

[Carrington]

[quote=Smugshots;2393175]Me too! You think he might turn him self in? Or maybe it's just a ploy and they'll announce a reward for information.


He is so Drew Peterson.....if he does that.
:chicken: IMO

[nanandjim]

I'm eager to hear what BC's lawyers are gonna say....
S P I N ... about their poor, grieving client ... What else can it be? They know that the focus is on him; and they are going to try to spin it away from him. Scott Peterson, OJ and Brad Cooper all share the same 1-800 number. Leave tips if you know who the real killer is...

That's it. They are probably setting up a tipline. :rolleyes:

[nanandjim]

...My hubbie doesn't understand my interest in these types of stories but I'm intrigued with how people think/act in desperate situations...

My husband thinks that I am honing my skills to do him in one day... :o

[Smugshots]

My husband thinks that I am honing my skills to do him in one day... :o


LMAO! Mine too! He tells people this all the time. Now I stress that something will happen to him in a freak accident and I'll be blamed!

[petra]

Does anyone else think it's odd after reading Brad's blog where he talks about how he just got his MBA, and has a Cisco certification and is training etc..., just doesn't sound like someone contemplating suicide.

From his blog. IMO, he seemed to have been glad to have graduated in mid-december. But brings up the 20 july ironman competition, and how he starts training for it in mid -jan.
He sounds realy angry he was unable to partake in a past one, and promised he woud not let anything get in his way again (paraph).
That time from mid dec to mid jan may have been a rough spot for him--finish one accomplishment, run fast to the next. just my 2 kroner,

Yet, I don't know what part of winter was meant.

[NC-Curious]

My husband thinks that I am honing my skills to do him in one day... :o


That's really funny. My co-workers tell me I am scary the way I follow and analyze cases and most likely get it right.

[murdershewrote]

have any of his co-workers, etc. at CISCO come forward about his frame of mind lately? If he was unstable enough to lose custody of the kids, seems it would have shown at work. I know CISCO is a big well known company so maybe everyone has decided not to go public with their thoughts. Is he taking a leave of absence?

[carolinalady]

Hi everyone! I, too, am a new member. I live in Wake Co. (in Raleigh not Cary). I was reading the thread last night/this morning about the equity line being increased on the Cooper house. I apologize if this has been stated, but last Fall we had property revaluations (http://www.newsobserver.com/news/wake/story/779958.html) and many were quite sizable. So, the tax value of most homes went up and maybe they had the line of equity adjusted to reflect that.

Thanks for all of the insightful comments on this board!

I am eagerly awaiting the 4pm news conference as well.

[Smugshots]

From his blog. IMO, he seemed to have been glad to have graduated in mid-december. But brings up the 20 july ironman competition, and how he starts training for it in mid -jan.
He sounds realy angry he was unable to partake in a past one, and promised he woud not let anything get in his way again (paraph).
That time from mid dec to mid jan may have been a rough spot for him--finish one accomplishment, run fast to the next. just my 2 kroner,

Yet, I don't know what part of winter was meant.

Well, the first day of spring was March 20, so I think it was between January and March the suicide attempt occured since it states Winter 2008.

[nanandjim]

LMAO! Mine too! He tells people this all the time. Now I stress that something will happen to him in a freak accident and I'll be blamed!
When my husband asks me to scratch his back, I tell him that I don't want his DNA under my fingernails. He replies, "Well, I guess that you can't kill me tonight then." ;)

I'm like you, though. If my husband were to die, I'd certainly be the suspicious spouse. They'd take one look at my computer and wonder why I spend hours on crime websites! Plus, I know nothing about my husband...where he is, what he wears, when I last saw him. The police would think that I was either a nut or I was lying. I swear that I am that unobservant. The police would begin to wonder if I even knew the man, much less that I was married to him!!

[JDB]

This might be the Brad we are talking about. But I think I found a resume from 2006.What are the chances there is more then 1 Brad cooper in Medicine Hat. Read the ones about Skills eerie

http://bradcooper.emurse.com/resume/

[fran]

Hello, Everyone.

I just registered a couple of days ago, and can't stay long right now because I'm at work. Did see this at WRAL, and thought you'd all want to know.

http://www.wral.com/
Attorneys for Brad Cooper, whose wife's body was found earlier this week, say they will hold a news conference at 4 p.m. today.
They will be streaming live on WRAL.

It's really HARD to follow 2 cases at once, and do one's work, too.

Hmmmm.........wonder if this is a NEW type of strategy!:eek:

I don't know if I've ever seen this before. Pre-emptive strike?:confused:

Thanks warrkat! :)

Now back to work you go!:rolleyes: You've got 45 minutes to get things done before the news conference!:crazy:

fran

[NC-Curious]

This might be the Brad we are talking about. But I think I found a resume from 2006.What are the chances there is more then 1 Brad cooper in Medicine Hat. Read the ones about Skills eerie

http://bradcooper.emurse.com/resume/
No...can't be ... gotta be another Brad Cooper...That one was working as a forklift operator in Canada as late as 2004.

[cheko1]

NC would also have needed a notarized letter of approval by BC to take the girls out of the US. Or a court order, sole parent-custody paperwork, etc.
This is in place to protect the kidnaping of children across borders.
You need to have both parents permission.
Lots of paperwork ...and if one party is not willing you can not cross the border.

IIRC, I thought I read somewhere that NC was planning to sendthe kids to her sistersfor a while ( a holiday/vacation). The girls would probably have flown then with written consent forms from both parents.

BC apparently gave NC permission to go visit her family in Canada with the girls, but then took the passsports away. :mad:


Petra,
We tried to get airline flights for our Granddaughters (9 & 7 yrs) to fly from Mn to Florida in Jan. I called several airlines & none would accept them as passengers without an adult.

I questioned some of the supervisors & they said kids could fly without parents before 911 / since 911 they have all ceased doing it.

[RR0004]

Wow! It's sure hard to have a job and keep up with you guys. I just want to respond to Taximom from another thread (and thanks to Blink I may have gotten it right!) So bear with me...



I would agree with you normally, but to me he only seemed interested in himself. That's pretty apparent on most, if not all, of his websites. The ONLY places I saw pics of his children were on the news sites! I think this was just his sick, twisted way of manipulating her into staying. He knew where her heart was and that was with the kids. I think the only reason he would want the girls was to hurt her more.

You are absolutely correct. True to his narcissistic self. A narcissist views loved ones as possessions...but that's not what makes him evil IMO. There are plenty of men like him out there. I, unfortunately, happened to be married to one of them. Everything that poor Nancy experienced, I have experienced as well. But, I can't begin to tell you how many men out there behave the same way when going through a divorce. Thank goodness she did have family to turn to. Many women, including myself don't. The women who get out are strong and no doubt are motivated by their love for their children. My motto was always "life does not have to be an endurance test"...there had to be better. When women lose their ability to earn income, in some way their roles are now viewed differently by their spouses (especially egocentrics). Brad had a SAHM for a wife...he did his job by paying for everything...her job was to take care of the kids. It doesn't surprise me that he may have been an "absentee" father. His girls were young...and they were his wife's responsibility in his mind. But, he very well could have been a good father to his daughters (by his standards). Narcissists are all about appearances so in some respect he would have had to try and maintain the "image"- husband, father, family guy. We obviously feel he failed miserably. But, he was/is these kids' father...and to be told that his children were being taken away shatters that mirror image that he has of himself. Don't get me wrong...if this man killed Nancy (and I feel that he did) he is pure EVIL. Anyone who takes another life is in my book. I just don't think taking the kids passports makes him that.
Phew! I'm done.
Bless Nancy and her babies...

[nanandjim]

Well, the first day of spring was March 20, so I think it was between January and March the suicide attempt occured since it states Winter 2008.
I thought that it was a suicide attempt when he was a teenager and a suicide "threat" in the winter. I believe that he made a threat as a manipulation. Many women say that they will kill themselves if their husbands leave them. The husbands then stay out of guilt and fear. I think that Brad used this ploy with Nancy. When that didn't work, he cut off her money supply. He knew that he was losing control.

I think that he was furious that Nancy stayed out so late and was having a good time. I know that my imagination would have been running if I were in his situation. I think that he was up and said something sarcastic to Nancy about being out so late. I think that she probably gave a flip answer back to him to enraged him; and that's all she wrote. He unleashed his anger and didn't stop.

[JDB]

No...can't be ... gotta be another Brad Cooper...That one was working as a forklift operator as late as 2004.

I can not recall if it was ever mentioned when the came to the states?Did you read his skills and his goal? Sounds just like him

[cheko1]

My husband thinks that I am honing my skills to do him in one day... :o

nanandjim,
Mine also says that....lol

[RR0004]

When my husband asks me to scratch his back, I tell him that I don't want his DNA under my fingernails. He replies, "Well, I guess that you can't kill me tonight then." ;)

I'm like you, though. If my husband were to die, I'd certainly be the suspicious spouse. They'd take one look at my computer and wonder why I spend hours on crime websites! Plus, I know nothing about my husband...where he is, what he wears, when I last saw him. The police would think that I was either a nut or I was lying. I swear that I am that unobservant. The police would begin to wonder if I even knew the man, much less that I was married to him!!
You're a hoot!

[nanandjim]

Petra,
We tried to get airline flights for our Granddaughters (9 & 7 yrs) to fly from Mn to Florida in Jan. I called several airlines & none would accept them as passengers without an adult.

I questioned some of the supervisors & they said kids could fly without parents before 911 / since 911 they have all ceased doing it.
I thought that you could do it if it were a direct flight. I can remember flying my grandson on direct flights. His parents had to give a signed letter of the person who was picking him up. We had to show identification. The same for the return flight.

[NC-Curious]

I can not recall if it was ever mentioned when the came to the states?Did you read his skills and his goal? Sounds just like him

Yes. they came here in 2000. Have been here eight years.

[Aimee729]

When my husband asks me to scratch his back, I tell him that I don't want his DNA under my fingernails. He replies, "Well, I guess that you can't kill me tonight then." ;)

I'm like you, though. If my husband were to die, I'd certainly be the suspicious spouse. They'd take one look at my computer and wonder why I spend hours on crime websites! Plus, I know nothing about my husband...where he is, what he wears, when I last saw him. The police would think that I was either a nut or I was lying. I swear that I am that unobservant. The police would begin to wonder if I even knew the man, much less that I was married to him!!

I think my husband thinks the same thing. :laugh:
(Trying to vacuum first floor between Fox commercials)

[Smugshots]

Petra,
We tried to get airline flights for our Granddaughters (9 & 7 yrs) to fly from Mn to Florida in Jan. I called several airlines & none would accept them as passengers without an adult.

I questioned some of the supervisors & they said kids could fly without parents before 911 / since 911 they have all ceased doing it.

My friend's stepson who is 9 flies from Ohio to TN and back without parents all the time, I beleive they have to pay a fee for a chaperone to bring him off the plane to them.

[fran]

This might be the Brad we are talking about. But I think I found a resume from 2006.What are the chances there is more then 1 Brad cooper in Medicine Hat. Read the ones about Skills eerie

http://bradcooper.emurse.com/resume/

Actually, it really does sound like him.

"Charismatic personality.":rolleyes:

The way he described his duties at the IMAX or whatever. In other words he was an usher, LOL.:crazy:

This was most likely his positions earning his way through college.

JMHO
fran

[petra]

Petra,
We tried to get airline flights for our Granddaughters (9 & 7 yrs) to fly from Mn to Florida in Jan. I called several airlines & none would accept them as passengers without an adult.

I questioned some of the supervisors & they said kids could fly without parents before 911 / since 911 they have all ceased doing it.dn't know that. Must be domestic

Thanks cheeko--didn't know that. maybe US domestic. We have sent little ones internationally-but needed to pay an extra fee for them to be escorted.

(:blowkiss: give those grandkids of yours a big hug from me and enjoy!)

[cheko1]

This might be the Brad we are talking about. But I think I found a resume from 2006.What are the chances there is more then 1 Brad cooper in Medicine Hat. Read the ones about Skills eerie

http://bradcooper.emurse.com/resume/


Great find JDB!!!!!
He has a mighty high opinion of himself! JMHO

[NC-Curious]

I say its a different Brad Cooper since Brad started worked here in NC with Cisco and purchased the house in Cary in 2000. So he could not have been working a forklift in Canada in 2004.

[JDB]

Yes. they came here in 2000. Have been here eight years.

Thanks wrong guy:crazy:

[RoughlyCollie]

I'd be worried not just about crime websites, but also about all the research I've done for cases. Like I got curious about what Enwistle found when he looked up something along the lines of "killing with a knife" and put his exact search terms into Google to see what he found.

Every time I follow a spouse killer case, my husband tells me very forcefully that he will never lay a hand on me, much less kill me. Poor guy, I ask him a few questions and he thinks I'm suspecting him to be the next perp.

I'm like you, though. If my husband were to die, I'd certainly be the suspicious spouse. They'd take one look at my computer and wonder why I spend hours on crime websites!

[fran]

Does anyone else think it's odd after reading Brad's blog where he talks about how he just got his MBA, and has a Cisco certification and is training etc..., just doesn't sound like someone contemplating suicide.

He's (too full of himself) too narcissistic to kill himself. He'd never get over it! :waitasec:

JMHO
fran

[cheko1]

I thought that you could do it if it were a direct flight. I can remember flying my grandson on direct flights. His parents had to give a signed letter of the person who was picking him up. We had to show identification. The same for the return flight.


They wouldn't let us do it... Even with a direct flight!
I offered to pay whatever price for them to be escorted......they all said NO! This was Minneapolis / St Paul but heck wouldn't think it would make a difference.

[petra]

Actually, it really does sound like him.

"Charismatic personality.":rolleyes:

The way he described his duties at the IMAX or whatever. In other words he was an usher, LOL.:crazy:

This was most likely his positions earning his way through college.

JMHO
fran

LOL..must be a relative.
Love the popcorn check in the hallways!:)

[lymom3]

Spelling is obviously not his forte either.

[fran]

I say its a different Brad Cooper since Brad started worked here in NC with Cisco and purchased the house in Cary in 2000. So he could not have been working a forklift in Canada in 2004.

Who would ever have thought there would be two Brad Coopers in the same small town? :eek:

JMHO
fran

[Sewing_Buddy]

I think that he was furious that Nancy stayed out so late and was having a good time. I know that my imagination would have been running if I were in his situation. I think that he was up and said something sarcastic to Nancy about being out so late. I think that she probably gave a flip answer back to him to enraged him; and that's all she wrote. He unleashed his anger and didn't stop.

I wonder how hard it was for Nancy to "put up a good front" when she socialized with the neighbors. To see truly happy couples and wish you had that for yourself and your children must have been very difficult for her to deal with on a daily basis. The neighborhood seems very affluent and family oriented and yet behind closed doors, Nancy was living a nightmare.

Before I met my wonderful husband, my mother told me, "There are worse things than not being married and one of them is being married to the wrong person." How true! How true!

[petra]

He's (too full of himself) too narcissistic to kill himself. He'd never get over it! :waitasec:

JMHO
fran

thanks for the chuckle :clap:

[NC-Curious]

Who would ever have thought there would be two Brad Coopers in the same small town? :eek:

JMHO
fran

Scary huh? Bet folk are looking at him funny.

[fran]

Sewing Buddy.......WELCOME to Weblseuths

and you mom was a very wise woman!

fran

[NC-Curious]

And I doubt this Brad Cooper would be caught dead driving a forklift...

[TGIRecovered]

Oops. Nevermind.

[nanandjim]

...Every time I follow a spouse killer case, my husband tells me very forcefully that he will never lay a hand on me, much less kill me. Poor guy, I ask him a few questions and he thinks I'm suspecting him to be the next perp.
See, your husband uses the reverse. My husband puts his iced tea glass up to the light checking it for powder traces. ;) He refuses to get life insurance because he says that I am planning to knock him off. He says all of these things in jest, but I know that there is a certain wondering behind it.

He thinks that there is something wrong with people who follow crime. I do so because I try to figure out who did it, how they did it and most of all, WHY. I just do not understand why people hurt others, murder others , steal from others, etc. It just confounds me. I try to make sense of it.

My husband says that it is like the show, "Unsolved Mysteries." He says, just like the show, I will never get the answers I am seeking. I suspect that he is right because those of us with "normal" minds just cannot think like those who commit crimes.

[cheko1]

dn't know that. Must be domestic

Thanks cheeko--didn't know that. maybe US domestic. We have sent little ones internationally-but needed to pay an extra fee for them to be escorted.

(:blowkiss: give those grandkids of yours a big hug from me and enjoy!)


Northwest / Delta & the others had better not let me find out they lied to me!!! LOL Heads will roll......

We wanted to take the Grandkids to Disney World.
Grandkids said thanks for the big hug!!!:blowkiss:

[SuziQ]

I think my husband thinks the same thing. :laugh:
(Trying to vacuum first floor between Fox commercials)

I'm hurrying! Vacuum and mopping mine here. Been putting it off for days because of WS. Not a good think with 4 dogs and a kitty. Mostly hard floors in my house. Love em, but they are time consuming.

[KaylynnCouture]

Who would ever have thought there would be two Brad Coopers in the same small town? :eek:

JMHO
fran

I don't know..to me it seems like a pretty common name.

[RR0004]

dn't know that. Must be domestic

Thanks cheeko--didn't know that. maybe US domestic. We have sent little ones internationally-but needed to pay an extra fee for them to be escorted.

(:blowkiss: give those grandkids of yours a big hug from me and enjoy!)
Standard procedure to pay for unaccompanied minors...rules/fees vary from airline to airline.

[Storm]

Hey!
I'm a bit concerned for you. Are you still in your situation? If yes, do you have a plan that will help you out of the "endurance test"?
I like the way you defined it..I've been in one for almost 30 yrs:(
^i^


Wow! It's sure hard to have a job and keep up with you guys. I just want to respond to Taximom from another thread (and thanks to Blink I may have gotten it right!) So bear with me...



I would agree with you normally, but to me he only seemed interested in himself. That's pretty apparent on most, if not all, of his websites. The ONLY places I saw pics of his children were on the news sites! I think this was just his sick, twisted way of manipulating her into staying. He knew where her heart was and that was with the kids. I think the only reason he would want the girls was to hurt her more.

You are absolutely correct. True to his narcissistic self. A narcissist views loved ones as possessions...but that's not what makes him evil IMO. There are plenty of men like him out there. I, unfortunately, happened to be married to one of them. Everything that poor Nancy experienced, I have experienced as well. But, I can't begin to tell you how many men out there behave the same way when going through a divorce. Thank goodness she did have family to turn to. Many women, including myself don't. The women who get out are strong and no doubt are motivated by their love for their children. My motto was always "life does not have to be an endurance test"...there had to be better. When women lose their ability to earn income, in some way their roles are now viewed differently by their spouses (especially egocentrics). Brad had a SAHM for a wife...he did his job by paying for everything...her job was to take care of the kids. It doesn't surprise me that he may have been an "absentee" father. His girls were young...and they were his wife's responsibility in his mind. But, he very well could have been a good father to his daughters (by his standards). Narcissists are all about appearances so in some respect he would have had to try and maintain the "image"- husband, father, family guy. We obviously feel he failed miserably. But, he was/is these kids' father...and to be told that his children were being taken away shatters that mirror image that he has of himself. Don't get me wrong...if this man killed Nancy (and I feel that he did) he is pure EVIL. Anyone who takes another life is in my book. I just don't think taking the kids passports makes him that.
Phew! I'm done.
Bless Nancy and her babies...

[nanandjim]

I don't think that is the same "Brad Cooper." The resume says that he was a forklift operator until 2004. Wasn't he in this country in 2000?

Of course, his objective at the bottom of the page says that he is looking for a managerial position. That made me roll my eyes. He wants to go from movie usher/forklift operator to white collar boss? :waitasec:

[SuziQ]

There is a red banner for live feed at the below link, but it's not clickable yet.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index

[fran]

Spelling is obviously not his forte either.

Whether it's him or not, you'd be surprised how many well educated people can't spell worth a cra* and don't know how to structure a sentence, much less form paragraphs. As long as it's 1/2 way correct and one can get the gist of the meaning, all's good!

I'm not criticizing!:crazy:

LOL,
Just sayin,:rolleyes:
fran
:)

[SuziQ]

Another live link here:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news/live_video.html

[brighidin]

Medicine hat has a pop. of around 55,000 I think. I looked at 411.ca and couldn't find any B Cooper's or Brad Cooper's listed in Medicine Hat. But I did find 21 Cooper's listed for the city.

I can't see this BC driving a forklift either. Unless it was an expensive BMW forklift. :elfroll:

[NC-Curious]

Bmw forklift.....lol

[wufdude]

Without going through all the posts, what was the last time that Nancy was seen by friends at the party?

[RR0004]

Hey!
I'm a bit concerned for you. Are you still in your situation? If yes, do you have a plan that will help you out of the "endurance test"?
I like the way you defined it..I've been in one for almost 30 yrs:(
^i^
Oh, Storm...how very sweet of you. I've been out of the situation for over 10 years...and can actually say I am a happily divorced person. It was BRUTAL for a long while, but I made it...

I also have to say, that this POS ex of mine woke up and became involved in his children's lives (though I often question his motives). My children are happy, well adjusted kids in spite of all the turmoil that went on. We've both seen to that. I strongly feel that if at all possible both parents should have access to the children. JMHO. If I can be of any help and support, please let me know.

oxoxoxoxoxoxo

[fran]

Without going through all the posts, what was the last time that Nancy was seen by friends at the party?

I think the time mentioned is about 12:30 a.m.

fran

[wufdude]

Thanks. I ask this because a poster on an NC State message board I frequent posted this regarding something his parents saw in Lochmere on Friday night. He indicated this was around 9:00-9:30 so it doesn't seem like it's related to the case....

They have talked to the cops. They were coming home from dinner last friday and drove by a parking lot where a woman was on the ground with a man near her. At first they thought it was just two people getting it on but something didn't seem right so they kept driving back by trying to get more info (what the looked like, liscence plate, etc) but then all of a sudden they were gone real quick. They got the feeling it was something else when they said they drove by once and it looked like he was helping her up off the ground but then when they came back by she was on the ground again.

[Storm]

Thank you, lady!
Children aren't an issue for us..my oldest (26) is in his 2nd year of medical school and the youngest (19) is getting ready to start his second year of college. I'm Roman Catholic, not sure what I will do, but am blessed to have resources if I make the decision. I'm 55 now...not sure I have the strength to endure anymore or the strength to end it. The physical abuse has stopped..the mental and emotional has increased a lot since the youngest started college.
I am in a good place though (I recognize it for what it is).
^i^

Oh, Storm...how very sweet of you. I've been out of the situation for over 10 years...and can actually say I am a happily divorced person. It was BRUTAL for a long while, but I made it...

I also have to say, that this POS ex of mine woke up and became involved in his children's lives (though I often question his motives). My children are happy, well adjusted kids in spite of all the turmoil that went on. We've both seen to that. I strongly feel that if at all possible both parents should have access to the children. JMHO. If I can be of any help and support, please let me know.

oxoxoxoxoxoxo

[fran]

wufdude

That's good that those citizens contacted police, they're being diligent. I don't, however, think the incident is related.

Something was going on, obviously, but I don't believe it was the Coopers.

fran

[NC-Curious]

Dang...I had the press conference..for a second...the lawyer wasn't saying much...."Brad is grieving..please allow him the privacy to grieve for the loss of his wife". and the feed died...

[fran]

Well, alrighty then. The defense lawyer says he's innocent.:rolleyes:

Guess that's settled.:waitasec:

;)
fran



http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1145979.html

Cooper's lawyer says he's innocent

Brad Cooper did not kill his wife and wants to mourn her death in private, one of his attorneys said today at a brief news conference.


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[RR0004]

Thank you, lady!
Children aren't an issue for us..my oldest (26) is in his 2nd year of medical school and the youngest (19) is getting ready to start his second year of college. I'm Roman Catholic, not sure what I will do, but am blessed to have resources if I make the decision. I'm 55 now...not sure I have the strength to endure anymore or the strength to end it. The physical abuse has stopped..the mental and emotional has increased a lot since the youngest started college.
I am in a good place though (I recognize it for what it is).
^i^
"I believe there are angels among us..."

as do I!

[NC-Curious]

Well...yes...that's what he's paid to say....

[stillblv]

Dang...I had the press conference..for a second...the lawyer wasn't saying much...."Brad is grieving..please allow him the privacy to grieve for the loss of his wife". and the feed died...

That's all I got too! And this was at four minutes after the hour so it obviously didn't last long.

[RR0004]

Well, alrighty then. The defense lawyer says he's innocent.:rolleyes:

Guess that's settled.:waitasec:

;)
fran



http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1145979.html

Cooper's lawyer says he's innocent

Brad Cooper did not kill his wife and wants to mourn her death in private, one of his attorneys said today at a brief news conference.


<<<<<<<<<<<more at link>>>>>>>>>>
Well, that was pretty bold IMO. Don't know what it proves if anything.

[NC-Curious]

That was a waste of television time if that's all it was.

[JDB]

Well, alrighty then. The defense lawyer says he's innocent.:rolleyes:

Guess that's settled.:waitasec:

;)
fran



http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1145979.html

Cooper's lawyer says he's innocent

Brad Cooper did not kill his wife and wants to mourn her death in private, one of his attorneys said today at a brief news conference.


<<<<<<<<<<<more at link>>>>>>>>>>

Wll I guess we all had the wrong guy. Back to the drawing board NOT:crazy:

[Aimee729]

Guess that is his explanation of why he probably will not be at either the private or public memorials nor the funeral in Canada.

( I am picturing him being chased through the streets by an angry mob holding torches)

[RR0004]

"The bizarre and unsupported theories floating around television and the Internet have made it impossible for us to sit quietly and to say nothing

Keep watching, boys!

[NC-Curious]

Probably for the best. The family should have to be tortured by his presence...knowing...or even thinking he murdered their daughter/sister/family member as they bury their loved one.

[fran]

Well...yes...that's what he's paid to say....

Believe me, the attorney does NOT want to know IF he's guilty or not. His job is to defend an innocent man,...........period!:behindbar

IF the attorney KNEW his client was guilty, but the client was pleading innocent at a trial, the attorney would have to excuse himself. He would NOT be able to give his client a proper defense.:boohoo:

That's just the way it is.

Yes, he's 'paid' to say his client is 'innocent.' Even if it's a lie!:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[brighidin]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1145979.html






Thanks for the link. I thought the line about Cooper not wanting to grieve in public at press conferences was a jab at her family. Maybe I'm just reading it negatively, but that part rubbed me the wrong way.

[murdershewrote]

I think his theory on what happened to Nancy is a heck of alot more bizarre than any of ours.

[NC-Curious]

"He's innocent....now give me my $500,000"....If the client thinks this is going to be cheaper than paying Nancy in any way, shape or fashion, I believe he was sadly mistaken...in more ways that money.

[fran]

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

"The bizarre and unsupported theories floating around television and the Internet have made it impossible for us to sit quietly and to say nothing

Keep watching, boys!:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

I wonder if this is this attorney's first high profile case?:confused:

He's going to be very disappointed this weekend when he wanders the internet and see that his little news conference didn't stop the speculation one bit, but most likely brought attention to him as a...........well.............defense attorney!:waitasec: We know what most people think about them!:eek:

:D
JMHO
fran

PS.....After all, this is the internet and an opinion board and free speech and all that. I can say what I want! humph! ;)

[NC-Curious]

lol @ Fran...they'll be coming for you.

[fran]

Thanks for the link. I thought the line about Cooper not wanting to grieve in public at press conferences was a jab at her family. Maybe I'm just reading it negatively, but that part rubbed me the wrong way.

Well, he 'may have' meant it that way but what he's really saying is, 'my client doesn't want to speak in public because he's watched the guys before him say stupid stuff that helped get them convicted because they were contradictory statements of what was later proven to have not been the case.'

Or, ..........something like that.

:boohoo:He was making excuses for Brad hiding behind the closed doors.:boohoo:

JMHO
fran

[miss lisa]

I think his theory on what happened to Nancy is a heck of alot more bizarre than any of ours.

Speaking of bizarre....

Show of hands now people...who else thinks that it is extremely bizarre that absolutely NO ONE from Brad's family, Brad's close personal friends (not friends they shared as a couple), co-workers or heck even people who grew up with him have come out to speak of Nancy's death and how there is no way that Brad could have had anything to do with it???

[cheko1]

Thanks. I ask this because a poster on an NC State message board I frequent posted this regarding something his parents saw in Lochmere on Friday night. He indicated this was around 9:00-9:30 so it doesn't seem like it's related to the case....

They have talked to the cops. They were coming home from dinner last friday and drove by a parking lot where a woman was on the ground with a man near her. At first they thought it was just two people getting it on but something didn't seem right so they kept driving back by trying to get more info (what the looked like, liscence plate, etc) but then all of a sudden they were gone real quick. They got the feeling it was something else when they said they drove by once and it looked like he was helping her up off the ground but then when they came back by she was on the ground again.


Oh my goodness sounds like Ma & Pa P all over again..........
Someone stole LAci for her baby / a gang kidnapped her / a brown van...

When all was said & done Jackie says I want those & those & those!!!!

[headndownstream]

A couple pages back, a Brad Cooper's resume? I don't know if that is his or not. But I pasted it into Word, because I noticed so many misspelled words. Try it!, red under-lines everywhere. I just didn't expect that since he thinks he is so smart. I know I'm just picking here.

No I'm trying to just catch up, I'm on page 4 right now, sorry.

[fran]

lol @ Fran...they'll be coming for you.

LOL, well, as you can see I've been here for quite some time. So any defense attorney that wants to get hold of me, knows where I can be reached, LOL.

This is nothin'. You shoulda' been here for the SP trial. :woohoo:

This guy Brad, AND his attorney, may think that he's someone special. But, he's NOT. He's one of hundreds if NOT thousands of guys who decided they wanted their cake and eat it too. BUT, when the tuff got going, they, MAY HAVE, (LOL) turned to murder rather than .........D I V O R C E.
In the grand scheme of things, divorce is much cheaper than TRIAL.

As it seems many of these guys find out. Then..................LWOP or DP is a pretty hard price to pay after forking out all the dough too! :behindbar

JMHO
fran

[NC-Curious]

I'm thinking it's not so wierd...I read in the Edmonton paper a statement from his sister-in-law saying she had never meant Nancy. Mind you I don't know how long she's been married to his brother Grant. But in the trips Nancy has made to Canada, I would think she would see these people. Seems there is some kind of estrangement, though she did say Grant was on his way here.
Based upon his personality, its not seeming that he had close friends.

[miss lisa]

"The bizarre and unsupported theories floating around television and the Internet have made it impossible for us to sit quietly and to say nothing

Keep watching, boys!

And all you mean ole internet people better stop talking about Mr. Wonderful (BC) you are destroying his beautiful image that he has created for himself!

Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

[NC-Curious]

Fran...I wish I had been around for your opinions on Drewpie...

[headndownstream]

Oops! never mind, already discussed

[fran]

Speaking of bizarre....

Show of hands now people...who else thinks that it is extremely bizarre that absolutely NO ONE from Brad's family, Brad's close personal friends (not friends they shared as a couple), co-workers or heck even people who grew up with him have come out to speak of Nancy's death and how there is no way that Brad could have had anything to do with it???

Ehh..........they're probably all hiding their head in shame that they've been associating with him for the past several years. :eek:

He does LOOK guilty, after all! :bang:

Whether he's arrested, tried and convicted is a different story. But,........the suspicion is there and,............well,.............it's kind of a hard thing to shake off. :rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[cheko1]

Well, alrighty then. The defense lawyer says he's innocent.:rolleyes:

Guess that's settled.:waitasec:

;)
fran



http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1145979.html

Cooper's lawyer says he's innocent

Brad Cooper did not kill his wife and wants to mourn her death in private, one of his attorneys said today at a brief news conference.


<<<<<<<<<<<more at link>>>>>>>>>>

Since Brad is wanting to mourn his wife in private I certainly hope his lawyers advised him to stay away from his mistress!

[Taximom]

Let the influx of anonymous new members that work for the defense attorney begin! lol All kinds of interesting theories will abound once that starts. Ugh.

:bang:

[fran]

Fran...I wish I had been around for your opinions on Drewpie...

I'm still waiting for him to be arrested.

His days as a free man may be numbered, IMHO. I guess it depends on what LE has on him that we in cyber space haven't seen.

There's a few more of these guys I'd like to see behind bars as well. Maybe if it were these LE guy's daughters under attack, they'd take a more active role in seeing these guys don't get away with this. The problem is, many of these abusers are,................well, you know,...........the blue line and all.:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[headndownstream]

Well, I had a bet, now I'm gnawing on my hat!

[Taximom]

Fran, I hate waiting too. Look how long (below) Michelle Young's killer has been free.

[fran]

Since Brad is wanting to mourn his wife in private I certainly hope his lawyers advised him to stay away from his mistress!

LOL, he probably has a throw-away cell phone directly wired to her house.:crazy:

Ooopss,...........he better hope she's not pulling an 'Amber Frey' on him!:eek:

We could only hope it would be that easy again!:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[fran]

Fran, I hate waiting too. Look how long (below) Michelle Young's killer has been free.

I check for something on that case almost every day. I'm just heart-broken about that case as well as several others we've had over the past few years here.

There's so many, I can't even remember many of their names. How sad is that?

:(

fran

[miss lisa]

Well, I had a bet, now I'm gnawing on my hat!

and your bet was????

[JDB]

This is nothin'. You shoulda' been here for the SP trial. :woohoo:


JMHO
fran

OHHH Fran the Good old days of SP!!!!!And Brad's lawyers think there are wild therioes here. they should have seen the SP board :crazy:

[lighthouselover]

Who would ever have thought there would be two Brad Coopers in the same small town? :eek:

JMHO
fran

Weren't there two Scott Petersons that lived in Modesto?

[cheko1]

LOL, he probably has a throw-away cell phone directly wired to her house.:crazy:

Ooopss,...........he better hope she's not pulling an 'Amber Frey' on him!:eek:

We could only hope it would be that easy again!:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

Wouldn't that be a hoot?? He thinks he is so smug!!!!!
LE in this case seem to have his number!!! LOL

He's gotta be chittin in his breeches!!!

[RoughlyCollie]

If she's married, she is in especially big trouble. The cops want to talk to her, and so does her husband, what do you want to bet?

These lawyers are going to cost BC a small fortune, especially if he is arrested. Then he'll get convicted, and all that money for his kids will have been wasted.

Or the taxpayers will get to foot the bill for him if he has scanty assets.

Assuming BC is both guilty and found guilty, of course. I hope they have a law in NC to prevent him from getting the insurance money, if there is any, and he gets convicted. They must have a law like that, anyone know for sure?

I wonder how much time he is going to take off work while he is awaiting arrest, or if he still has a job.

LOL, he probably has a throw-away cell phone directly wired to her house.:crazy:

Ooopss,...........he better hope she's not pulling an 'Amber Frey' on him!:eek:

We could only hope it would be that easy again!:rolleyes:

JMHO
fran

[cheko1]

OHHH Fran the Good old days of SP!!!!!And Brad's lawyers think there are wild therioes here. they should have seen the SP board :crazy:


I sat totally glued to my computer, afraid I'd miss something.

Your 100% correct Brad's lawyers have seen nothing yet!

[RoughlyCollie]

I haven't seen a single wild theory here, unless someone wants to posit that BC is innocent and Nancy was killed by a stranger or BC's mistress while she was running. Even that would be far-fetched, rather than *wild*.

Obviously no one broke into their house and killed her, based on BC's own story of what transpired.

OHHH Fran the Good old days of SP!!!!!And Brad's lawyers think there are wild therioes here. they should have seen the SP board :crazy:

[nanandjim]

From the article: "He described Cooper, who did not attend the news conference, as "a very private man" and asked reporters to respect his privacy.

This takes the cake. Brad is a very private man. Yet, he has about 10 websites he keeps up to date bragging about himself. That's not what I call "private." :rolleyes:

[RoughlyCollie]

People who think he is innocent ought to take up a collection to send him a few cases of TP -- one of the soft, fluffy kind so he doesn't get rug burn on his behind.

He's gotta be chittin in his breeches!!!

[cheko1]

If she's married, she is in especially big trouble. The cops want to talk to her, and so does her husband, what do you want to bet?

These lawyers are going to cost BC a small fortune, especially if he is arrested. Then he'll get convicted, and all that money for his kids will have been wasted.

Or the taxpayers will get to foot the bill for him if he has scanty assets.

Assuming BC is both guilty and found guilty, of course. I hope they have a law in NC to prevent him from getting the insurance money, if there is any, and he gets convicted. They must have a law like that, anyone know for sure?

I wonder how much time he is going to take off work while he is awaiting arrest, or if he still has a job.

Moral to the story is if you want to play you gotta pay!

[zelmajane]

Brad's attorney's profile

http://www.kurtzandblum.com/Bio/SethBlum.asp

[calgary123]

Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.

[headndownstream]

I'm kind of bored, gonna eat some supper and peruse the internet.

Try this one: quote: "The Adventures of Brad" It's better in pdf format

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:VjFTT7ISthIJ:adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26i d%3D12+%22brad+cooper%22+ironman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:VjFTT7ISthIJ:adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26do_pdf%3D1%26i d%3D12+%22brad+cooper%22+ironman&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

[cheko1]

From the article: "He described Cooper, who did not attend the news conference, as "a very private man" and asked reporters to respect his privacy.

This takes the cake. Brad is a very private man. Yet, he has about 10 websites he keeps all of which brags about himself. That's not what I call "private." :rolleyes:


He's a very private man who thinks he is the iron man! Lets the world know how great he is bu his web pages.
Private men don't normally go out & have a mistress on the side do they?
With him being so private you'd of thought he'd of given his wife money to feed herself & the kids. Sure wouldn't want to let that out to the media.

[kayceebee]

Petra,
We tried to get airline flights for our Granddaughters (9 & 7 yrs) to fly from Mn to Florida in Jan. I called several airlines & none would accept them as passengers without an adult.

I questioned some of the supervisors & they said kids could fly without parents before 911 / since 911 they have all ceased doing it.

Strange? My best friend just sent her kids (12 & 8) to TX by themselves on American...this is like the 3rd year she's done it (I wouldn't do it with my kids) the fly on American and she has to pay additional money for unaccompanied minors.

[cheko1]

Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.


Welcome to WS Calvery & all Newbies!

Bet his Ex GF is glad she went the other way! YIKES!!!!!!

[headndownstream]

Aww, he mentions Nancy in it, just ...Grrr!!

[cheko1]

Strange? My best friend just sent her kids (12 & 8) to TX by themselves on American...this is like the 3rd year she's done it (I wouldn't do it with my kids) the fly on American and she has to pay additional money for unaccompanied minors.


Really! That just makes me mad.....

Worked out fine in the end my daughters & Granddaughters all took a trip to Tn together & had a awesome time. We left Grandpa home & it was a all girls trip!

[Aimee729]

Speaking of bizarre....

Show of hands now people...who else thinks that it is extremely bizarre that absolutely NO ONE from Brad's family, Brad's close personal friends (not friends they shared as a couple), co-workers or heck even people who grew up with him have come out to speak of Nancy's death and how there is no way that Brad could have had anything to do with it???

:woohoo:

:snooty:Its like no one- even his own family wants to be associated with him.

[RoughlyCollie]

My kids flew to see their grandmother six weeks ago, and will come back in a week. They are flying as unaccompanied minors, and it cost $35 per kid, each way. My mother will get a gate pass to take them to the gate and wait with them until they board the plane (she has to stay at the airport until the plane takes off). Similarly, my husband will get a gate pass to meet them at the gate when they return.



Strange? My best friend just sent her kids (12 & 8) to TX by themselves on American...this is like the 3rd year she's done it (I wouldn't do it with my kids) the fly on American and she has to pay additional money for unaccompanied minors.

[miss lisa]

Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.

Thank You! You have just said what I have been thinking all along. My perception is that he only has feelings for himself (websites, mistress, ironman, food for the family, not reporting her missing, not calling her parents). Odd. Really odd.

[piedmontmom]

testing

[fran]

From the article: "He described Cooper, who did not attend the news conference, as "a very private man" and asked reporters to respect his privacy.

This takes the cake. Brad is a very private man. Yet, he has about 10 websites he keeps all of which brags about himself. That's not what I call "private." :rolleyes:

Oh, for goodness sakes! He didn't even attend his own press conference?:chicken:

I KNOW his attorney called the presser, but it was to defend BC, after all. You'd think he could have made an appearance, even if he didn't want to answer any questions.:boohoo:

LOL, I wouldn't doubt if his attorney has told him he comes off to pompous and people won't like him or his attitude. Oh.............wait,................IMO, many of these defense attornies have personalities just like him.:eek:

Narcissistic!!!! Chalk that 'excuse.' ;)

It was probably just like Brodsky, to further the visibility of the attorney!:woohoo:

JMHO
fran

[fran]

testing

LOL, I seeeee youuuuuuu!

:Welcome-12-june:

[RoughlyCollie]

Maybe that's what his lawyers meant by "private".

My perception is that he only has feelings for himself (websites, mistress, ironman, food for the family, not reporting her missing, not calling her parents). Odd. Really odd.

[RoughlyCollie]

Welcome! You've come to a great place.

testing

[fran]

Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.


Welcome calgary123 !

AND WOW!

That sent chills down my spine!

"One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this"

Poor, poor Nancy. :( Too bad she didn't see that side of him before it was too late! :(

JMHO
fran

[SuziQ]

testing

Lol, welcome to WS!

[nanandjim]

...Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.
This is very telling. I mean, most people cannot envision someone that they know or have been close to committing such a crime. Then again, I could envision my ex-husband doing it, but he is also the type of person who kept his distance from most people. :o

[nanandjim]

Speaking of bizarre....

Show of hands now people...who else thinks that it is extremely bizarre that absolutely NO ONE from Brad's family, Brad's close personal friends (not friends they shared as a couple), co-workers or heck even people who grew up with him have come out to speak of Nancy's death and how there is no way that Brad could have had anything to do with it???
Scott Peterson had no close friends either...:waitasec:

[momto3kids]

I'm not impressed with these attorneys. Wade Smith is the attorney you need to retain for a high profile case such as this, especially possible murder.

[NC-Curious]

Either did Michael Peterson...creepy

[fran]

I'm kind of bored, gonna eat some supper and peruse the internet.

Try this one: quote: "The Adventures of Brad" It's better in pdf format

h