Two Oklahoma Girls (11 & 13yo) Found Murdered #13

[Annie]

I think Vicki made the call to 911 and Rosser didn't have all the information when he initially said that PP called.
They were still pulling together all the facts when Rosser made the comment about PP being the one who called on one of the girl's cell phone.
That's all I think it is.
Unless whoever made the 911 call helps solves this case, I'm not sure it matters.
Do you agree, or do you think there could be some importance to who called 911 first?

I think the sole purpose of today's presser was to get to someone's heart strings and have them turn in someone, or give some vital information.
Also, it lets the public know that OSBI is still diligently investigating the case. Other than that, I'm not sure we got much information.

What does make a difference to me is that the person who is giving out information may not have his facts straight. He is the same one who gave the 4:30 time as the time they left the house after it had been given as 5:00. The people who are in charge of the case should have all the facts straight before they get on the air and try to give information. I had hoped to get some answers today and all I have now are more questions. They don't have to tell us everything, but we should be able to depend on everything they say being the truth.

[christine2448]

I just heard the 911 call. I have been sobbing!


((((((((((((((Claycat)))))))))))))))))

[Tom'sGirl]

I think Vicki made the call to 911 and Rosser didn't have all the information when he initially said that PP called.
I agree, but it may not have been Vicky.

Unless who made the 911 call helps solves this case, I'm not sure it matters.
Do you agree, or do you think there could be some importance to who called 911 first?

It makes me question why Claudia said her daughter Rose was the 2nd person on the scene, wouldn't she have been the 3rd if PP and Vicky were already there?

I think the sole purpose of today's presser was to get to someone's heart strings and have them turn in someone, or give some vital information.
Also, it lets the public know that OSBI is still diligently investigating the case. Other than that, I'm not sure we got much information.

I said that back on Friday http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2394789&postcount=27 although I thought it would be with PP.

[SeriouslySearching]

You could be right about Rosser not having all the facts, but he should not have made something up like that. Saying that Peter used Taylor's phone to call 911 (if he was the one who said this) is saying that: a) Peter disturbed the scene. b) Peter actually removed it either from her body or near her body which we did find initially odd. c) Peter had access to evidence on the phone before LE which is never a good thing.

I do think it is important who made the call. We have been led to believe that Peter was the only one at the scene besides Rose. Vicky has never been mentioned being there either before or afterwards.

I still want to know what the sound we hear on the tape is. If it is a motocycle...it is a huge clue as Vicky wouldn't be riding one, Rose was in a car, and Peter was on foot.

[evelyn24]

What does make a difference to me is that the person who is giving out information may not have his facts straight. He is the same one who gave the 4:30 time as the time they left the house after it had been given as 5:00. The people who are in charge of the case should have all the facts straight before they get on the air and try to give information. I had hoped to get some answers today and all I have now are more questions. They don't have to tell us everything, but we should be able to depend on everything they say being the truth.

True, very true. Notice he doesn't hold the press conferences anymore.
Well, maybe I should ask...when is the last time Rosser was the one conducting a press conference?

[Busylady]

In my opinion Peter and Vicky where home, when Rose called them and said she was coming to pick Skyla up. Peter went looking because they had not returned home, found the girls. We now know the 911 call was not placed from one of the girls phones. Peter could of started screaming Vicki heard it ran down there, by then Rose has shown up (I don't think Rose knew the girls were dead before she got to the scene) Vicki uses Roses cell to call 911? Then Rose calls Claudia.

I think this call was the first call to 911 because dispatcher wouldnt of gone into directions would of right away said we have someone on the way already.

[christine2448]

I wrote a reporter about the dog, y'all remember? I can't find the email. Maybe we could nag that reporter again and try to get info.

As mentioned, we had great contacts throughout Amber Harris' cause, they would send us a copy of the pressors 'unedited' so we could read what was happening before/after, not shown on TV.

If someone can find me his email (I think I posted it, or at least his name) I'd be happy to inquire. He wrote me about the dog w/o hesitation.

I am thinking his name was John??? (for those of you who don't know, my nickname is Dory....it could be Steve :blowkiss:)

[Albert18]

Rosser also says in that press conference back in June that "he went looking for the girls", meaning Peter. So is that correct? Should he have said "they".

How does Vicky know what Peter knows. And why didn't Claudia mention Vicky?

Could that be Rose on the phone????????

Is that route she is giving a postal address?

[Annie]

You have to go to p. 2 on the videos to find the press conference but it doesn't show the question and answer session where they talked about the 911 call.

http://www.kwtv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714256&h1=Listen%20to%20the%20911%20tape&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=50367&La
unchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=61999471

The page number keeps changing as they add more videos so try this.

http://www.kwtv.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714256&h1=Listen%20to%20the%20911%20tape&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=50367&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=61999471

This newspaper article says it was the only 911 call.

http://newsok.com/investigators-call-for-weleetka-murder-witnesses-to-step-forward/article/3272925/?tm=1216656924

[Tom'sGirl]

At this link on the right it says EXTRA: Full press conference on Weleetka update (it isn't) however at the beginning of the tape of the 911 you can hear the caller screaming "run, run". In other audios, they have that part cut.

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8707389 (http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8707389)

[frogjustfrog]

At this link on the right it says EXTRA: Full press conference on Weleetka update (http://javascript<b></b>:playVideo('2714379', 'EXTRA%3A%20Full%20press%20conference%20on%20Welee tka%20update', 'v', 'News', '385433', 'News', '', '','flv');) (it isn't) however at the beginning of the tape of the 911 you can hear the caller screaming "run, run". In other audios, they have that part cut.

http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8707389 (http://www.news9.com/global/story.asp?s=8707389)

I heard that part too, but I thought it was Claudia calling because she mentioned Bryant Road. SHE was on Bryant road if she was at Chancey's. I thought in panic she wasnt clear. It sounded to me like she was in a vehicle on the way to the scene.

I once talked to a newsreporter very briefly who was there. She said she thought that Sheriff Rice covered the girls with something gauzy.
I do wish we knew facts.

[Tom'sGirl]

If someone can find me his email (I think I posted it, or at least his name) I'd be happy to inquire. He wrote me about the dog w/o hesitation.
jjjohnson@oklahoman.com

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is the direct link: http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714379&h1=EXTRA%3A%20Full%20press%20conference%20on%20Wel eetka%20update&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=385433&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=30858314

Yes, she clearly does say "Run! Run!" Is she screaming at Peter? This wouldn't make sense if it was Claudia driving to the scene from where she was. Can someone compare the voices possibly?

[frogjustfrog]

I just called that reporter I mentioned. She is sounding very vague now. Said she had to stand behind the lines and she got there after the boundary lines were put up and she had to stay outside the boundary lines but was there into wee hours of the morning. She didnt sound like she wanted to say much so I didnt push her. I respect what LE has to keep to themselves to solve this case, but it sure would make us all feel better if we know the truth from not the truth. huh?

[SailorMoon]

Do you think she meant only one call that was being released? That's kind of the way I took it when she said it.

I think the spokeswoman at today's press conference was asked if there was more than one call to 911, and she said no, just this one call.

[Tom'sGirl]

Here is the direct link: http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714379&h1=EXTRA%3A%20Full%20press%20conference%20on%20Wel eetka%20update&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=385433&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=30858314 (http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714379&h1=EXTRA%3A%20Full%20press%20conference%20on%20Wel eetka%20update&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=385433&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=30858314)

Yes, she clearly does say "Run! Run!" Is she screaming at Peter? This wouldn't make sense if it was Claudia driving to the scene from where she was. Can someone compare the voices possibly?
Thanks SS, I couldn't get the direct link to work when it first went up to post it here, and then our Board here is acting a little 'funky' :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

It almost makes me think that the first people on the scene did see the shooter and possibly the actual murders take place from a distance. The "Run...Run!" could indicate someone had not yet made it to the girls, but they knew they were dead.

[LifeSaver]

Well, unfortunately nothing new. Those poor people, I wish a miracle would happen, and this monster would turn himself in

[CMorrison64]

It almost makes me think that the first people on the scene did see the shooter and possibly the actual murders take place from a distance. The "Run...Run!" could indicate someone had not yet made it to the girls, but they knew they were dead.

Wouldn't the shooter(s) have gone after them as well? Just a thought.

[CMorrison64]

Well, unfortunately nothing new. Those poor people, I wish a miracle would happen, and this monster would turn himself in

I'm beginning to think it is going to take a miracle to solve this. :cry:

[LifeSaver]

gauze.? Why would they cover the girls with gauze?

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe not. They could have bolted to flee the scene heading towards the bridge because now you have at least two people there...Vicky and Peter both plus possibly the other witness driving around the man and the truck. He might have been out of ammo for all we know. He did seem to empty two guns already.

[CMorrison64]

gauze.? Why would they cover the girls with gauze?

Maybe to prevent any bullets that may be imbedded from coming out before they could get the bodies removed and autopsied.

[CMorrison64]

Maybe not. They could have bolted to flee the scene heading towards the bridge because now you have at least two people there...Vicky and Peter both plus possibly the other witness driving around the man and the truck. He might have been out of ammo for all we know. He did seem to empty two guns already.

Good Point!!!!

[anneinchicago]

I'd like to know why only the first minute and some odd seconds. Why not the full seven minutes?

[SeriouslySearching]

Because they are being ridiculous? Frankly, I would like to hear the whole call as heartwrenching as it is. There is A LOT they are not telling the public and it is obvious now they have been misleading us a great deal. GRRRR!

[LifeSaver]

I wouldn't think anyone was allowed to touch those bodies until the medical examiner arrived.

[frogjustfrog]

gauze.? Why would they cover the girls with gauze?


because it would be lightweight and not mess anything up. She just said gauzylike material. She was out of boundaries and wasnt sure.

[SailorMoon]

Not to discredit the OSBI, but I'm listening and watching the whole press conference again...and it's almost like the big "fake" press conferences WWE set up for the limo blowing up for Vince McMahon. I can't describe it any better than that. It's just weird.

[frogjustfrog]

Maybe not. They could have bolted to flee the scene heading towards the bridge because now you have at least two people there...Vicky and Peter both plus possibly the other witness driving around the man and the truck. He might have been out of ammo for all we know. He did seem to empty two guns already.

After hearing this whole Press conference, I am wondering if the sound of motors isnt there, during the conference.... like people passing by the courthouse. Seemed to be more after the 911 call.

If that was vicky, and it seems now it could be, maybe she was seeing Rose comind down the road and telling Peter to run to stop her from getting too close. jmo

[SeriouslySearching]

OK...Let's go with the possibility that Vicky and Peter did in fact see the girls get shot. They did see the person who shot them and they did see them drive off. Rose didn't because she came up on the scene after the murders, but before EMTs or LE arrived.

IF Peter and Vicky saw the whole thing...it would mean the POI was the shooter and they would account for two of the witness statements. It could also mean that the reason there was no clarification on the age of the truck or other would be explained by their watching in horror as this took place. They wouldn't be concentrating on anything besides the girls.

[LifeSaver]

I've just never heard of that technic.

[SeriouslySearching]

After hearing this whole Press conference, I am wondering if the sound of motors isnt there, during the conference.... like people passing by the courthouse. Seemed to be more after the 911 call.

If that was vicky, and it seems now it could be, maybe she was seeing Rose comind down the road and telling Peter to run to stop her from getting too close. jmoI thought that for a minute, but I replayed it several times and the horn honking, I believe, was from the presser. Unless it was a huge coincidence, the minute the call ended so did the sound of the motor.

[Tom'sGirl]

After hearing this whole Press conference, I am wondering if the sound of motors isnt there, during the conference.... like people passing by the courthouse. Seemed to be more after the 911 call.
That's what it sound like to me, background noise at the Presser.

If that was vicky, and it seems now it could be, maybe she was seeing Rose comind down the road and telling Peter to run to stop her from getting too close. jmo

Somehow, I'm still thinking it was Rose on that tape, not Vicky.

[SeriouslySearching]

Not to discredit the OSBI, but I'm listening and watching the whole press conference again...and it's almost like the big "fake" press conferences WWE set up for the limo blowing up for Vince McMahon. I can't describe it any better than that. It's just weird.It is almost a joke to me about the "Victimology". The new CSI computer game has the exact trianglulation she described plus almost the same description! :shakehead:

[SeriouslySearching]

Somehow, I'm still thinking it was Rose on that tape, not Vicky.Why would Rose call either one her "Granddaughter"?

[DeltaDawn]

I have been trying to copy from the website listed for the videos, etc..what it says is the only known recording of the 911 call..that is the reporters take..that is not from the OSBI..that means really the only call that they can report on, since they did not hear any others. I still believe Peter Placker called first to Vicki or 911, then the other. He then was trying to take care of Rose as she arrived and Vicki called 911 back.

I don't think we hear any other 911 calls, nor the rest of this one because they contain some evidence.

In listening to the 911 call several times the traffic noise you hear is separate from the call..it is the traffic noise outside wherever this press conference was held. It should not have been held outside so that we could clearly distinguish what was on the call and what was happening today in real time.

[LifeSaver]

Well, yes that was Vicky. Listen to her comments, daughter, granddaughter. Hysterically screaming, I personally don't know how she even made that call. I bet Peter was on the ground.

[Tom'sGirl]

Why would Rose call either one her "Granddaughter"?
You're right, it has to be Vicky!

[LifeSaver]

OSBI are confused with all the details, that just amazes me how they misimformed the public.

[SailorMoon]

I wonder who/what/why she was yelling RUN!! It's definitely run that she says.

[CMorrison64]

Someone needs to take this investigation over and start from the beginning ... right now we have no idea what's true and not. I'm afraid for this investigation and afraid it'll end up a cold case.

[Busylady]

Makes me wonder if Peter did run back to house to get Vicky and maybe a phone and she was yelling at him to run run to get back to the girls?

It almost makes me think that the first people on the scene did see the shooter and possibly the actual murders take place from a distance. The "Run...Run!" could indicate someone had not yet made it to the girls, but they knew they were dead.

[SeriouslySearching]

Okla. police release anguished 911 call, renew call for help solving girls' 7-week-old murders

"Yes, somebody's killed two girls ... my grandbaby, and ... her friend! I'm on County Line Road!" the woman said in the June 8 call after 11-year-old Skyla Whitaker and 13-year-old Taylor Paschal-Placker were found shot to death on a road near Weleetka, about 70 miles south of Tulsa.

"What happened down there?" the dispatcher asked.

"I don't know. They went for a walk and they're both ... now they're dead!"

The grandmother's voice became increasingly frantic as she tried to tell the dispatcher where she was.

"Please, please, please! Lord help me please! Oh God, oh God, oh God! My babies, babies, babies!" she said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-girls-killed,0,1851620.story

[hannahsnana]

Someone needs to take this investigation over and start from the beginning ... right now we have no idea what's true and not. I'm afraid for this investigation and afraid it'll end up a cold case.

Unfortunately, I agree with you, CMorrison. They say the FBI is in it now. I hope it's not too late.

[frogjustfrog]

Makes me wonder if Peter did run back to house to get Vicky and maybe a phone and she was yelling at him to run run to get back to the girls?


Remember? Rose was on the way. He held her back. It sounded to me like they were both there, Peter and Vicky. That she saw Rose coming and she told Peter to run, run, run.... to stop Rose before she got down that far. imo

[SeriouslySearching]

You're right, it has to be Vicky!Or Claudia. However, Claudia was not supposed to be at the scene immediately afterwards according to what she said in the interview. This would mean it probably is Vicky.

I don't see Peter leaving the girls after he found them. (I could be wrong, but he was nearer to the girls than the driveway when Rose came.)

[CMorrison64]

Or Claudia. However, Claudia was not supposed to be at the scene immediately afterwards according to what she said in the interview. This would mean it probably is Vicky.

I don't see Peter leaving the girls after he found them. (I could be wrong, but he was nearer to the girls than the driveway when Rose came.)

I agree, I don't see him leaving them, he was probably so painfully grief stricken he couldn't think straight, I'm sure that's how I'd be. I can't even imagine what they were thinking or what was going thru their heads after seeing that.

[frogjustfrog]

YellowDog, I believe the girls were murdered 7 weeks ago or 49 days ago.

So, they have only INTERVIEWED around 2 people a day??

Seems like neighbors, family and school mates would be a lot more people than that...is that moving SLOW or what?.....jmo

]I believe they said they ruled out about 100 people of those who they have talked to. Gonna watch the presser again

[GetSmart]

Someone needs to take this investigation over and start from the beginning ... right now we have no idea what's true and not. I'm afraid for this investigation and afraid it'll end up a cold case.

I agree too. Should we send an email to nancy Grace & greta & relate our concerns?

Hi everbody finally got here

if so who should do it?

[CMorrison64]

I agree too. Should we send an email to nancy Grace & greta & relate our concerns?

Hi everbody finally got here

It couldn't hurt, where do we send it ... This case just eats me up alive ... I think about those precious angels all the time and I wonder HOW in the world can the person or persons that did this live with themselves? IF it was an accident (BIG IF) then come forward .... you're only making it worse on yourself, but you should've done it WHEN it happened. But I know the person(s) responsible for this are nothing but cowards .... ANYONE that would shoot 2 little girls in cold blood is nothing but a coward ... and I pray they burn in hell. Sorry but I have so much hate and anger towards whoever did this, it just kills me.

[SeriouslySearching]

WELEETKA — Investigator have eliminated nearly 100 names from a list of suspects in connection with the June 8 murder of two young girls, an Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation official said this morning.

The OSBI initially had around 500 persons of interest, said Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the OSBI. Brown said many people had been reported as suspects as pranks or out of revenge.

http://www.newsok.com/article/3272925/ (Bolded by me)

[GetSmart]

RELATIVE: Yes, … oh my God, I’m having an, I don’t know, help me please.

I swear it sounds like she was going to say I'm having an heart attack

[LifeSaver]

Those screams of OH GOD, will haunt me forever. I should have have allowed myself to hear her pain.

[Mysterylover]

OSBI are confused with all the details, that just amazes me how they misimformed the public.....

Is anyone upset about the handling of this case, other than myself ?...

We have excellent minds, IQ's and experience on this thread that could be of tremendous help to any LE..

what do we get....totally misled about all the facts...imo

[SeriouslySearching]

There is no hope that the perp/perps in this case are going to feel sorry for the person making that 911 call and come forward! WTH are they thinking?!

The person/persons mowed down two innocent little girls in cold blood. Stood over them as they did it. Tossed in an execution shot to insure they were dead. Then drove off into the countryside and went underneath the radar of the OSBI quickly.

He/they are not going to hear the call and feel guilty now.

[Tom'sGirl]

]I believe they said they ruled out about 100 people of those who they have talked to. Gonna watch the presser again
In this article it says:
Meanwhile, interviews and polygraph tests have eliminated 100 people as suspects, Brown said
http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_story_203131755.html?start:int=15 (http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_story_203131755.html?start:int=15)

[GetSmart]

Is anyone upset about the handling of this case, other than myself ?...

We have excellent minds, IQ's and experience on this thread that could be of tremendous help to any LE..

what do we get....totally misled about all the facts...imo


AMEN ..We are not even family & it is killing us

[LifeSaver]

It sounded like on that part of the tape, she had just came upon the horrific site. Before, when she was giving direction, sounded like she was running probably to where her husband was at

[SeriouslySearching]

I am really leaning towards Vicky and Peter seeing the actual murders take place. The more I listen to that call...the more it makes sense.

[Tom'sGirl]

It sounded like on that part of the tape, she had just came upon the horrific site. Before, when she was giving direction, sounded like she was running probably to where her husband was at
Did anyone notice the voice of a small child and maybe the sound of a TV at the beginning in the background?

[LifeSaver]

They have so few clues, no motive...shell casings, and footprints aren't very helpful. Lets pray, they come across something !!

[CMorrison64]

It sounded like on that part of the tape, she had just came upon the horrific site. Before, when she was giving direction, sounded like she was running probably to where her husband was at

Then why doesn't LE tell us that ... why can't they tell us some of the things they KNOW the public is questioning. As a poster mentioned, there are a lot of good ideas on this forum and people putting their brains together ... maybe LE should be listening to us ... right now they could use the help.

[CMorrison64]

I am really leaning towards Vicky and Peter seeing the actual murders take place. The more I listen to that call...the more it makes sense.

God how horrible would that have been!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't hear that. I only heard what I think is a man's voice from a distance.

[Ruflossn]

Did anyone notice the voice of a small child and maybe the sound of a TV at the beginning in the background?

Hello All~

Tom'sGirl,
I just listened to the tape for the 1st time. I replayed it twice and I definitely noticed the sounds of what seemed like a child or t.v. at the beginning of the tape. What could that have been?

[CMorrison64]

Hello All~

Tom'sGirl,
I just listened to the tape for the 1st time. I replayed it twice and I definitely noticed the sounds of what seemed like a child or t.v. at the beginning of the tape. What could that have been?

There's no chance one of those girls would've been alive and making some noise when found is there? Oh that would be so sad.

[evelyn24]

Those screams of OH GOD, will haunt me forever. I should have have allowed myself to hear her pain.

I know. I listened to it again just recently, and I'm in tears.

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello All~

Tom'sGirl,
I just listened to the tape for the 1st time. I replayed it twice and I definitely noticed the sounds of what seemed like a child or t.v. at the beginning of the tape. What could that have been?
I have no idea, at first I thought it may have been on the 911 Dispatchers end?????

[Tom'sGirl]

There's no chance one of those girls would've been alive and making some noise when found is there? Oh that would be so sad.
No, it was the voice of a very young child.

[CMorrison64]

No, it was the voice of a very young child.

I'll listen when I get home tonight.

[LifeSaver]

I've heard two segments of the 911 call, the first where she was giving directions, I didn't notice background sound, the 2nd she was screaming OHHHHHHH GODDDDD OH GODDDD OH GODDDDDDDDD PLEASE HELP ME, THAT IS MY BABY ..I could hear a horn honking in the background

[Mysterylover]

I wonder who/what/why she was yelling RUN!! It's definitely run that she says.....

Could it be to RUN away from the shooter so he won't get shot,

or RUN toward the shooter to stop him, in some way ???? jmo

[frogjustfrog]

No, it was the voice of a very young child.

You know what is even weirder? Or at least my husband and I thought so, maybe someone could clarify it for us, but you could hear the GM saying Run Run Run BEFORE the dispatcher answered the phone. I am going to listen again, but every time I cry. I just hate this!!!

[Tom'sGirl]

I've heard two segments of the 911 call, the first where she was giving directions, I didn't notice background sound, the 2nd she was screaming OHHHHHHH GODDDDD OH GODDDD OH GODDDDDDDDD PLEASE HELP ME, THAT IS MY BABY ..I could hear a horn honking in the background
This is the best link to the video, childs voice can be heard at approx. 4:26
http://www.news9.com/global/video/fl...o&rnd=30858314 (http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=2714379&h1=EXTRA%3A%20Full%20press%20conference%20on%20Wel eetka%20update&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=385433&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=30858314)

[SeriouslySearching]

No, it was the voice of a very young child.Yes, now I hear it. Who in their family had a toddler that she could have been watching at the time?

[Tom'sGirl]

You know what is even weirder? Or at least my husband and I thought so, maybe someone could clarify it for us, but you could hear the GM saying Run Run Run BEFORE the dispatcher answered the phone. I am going to listen again, but every time I cry. I just hate this!!!
Yes, it was prior.

[Tom'sGirl]

Yes, now I hear it. Who in their family had a toddler that she could have been watching at the time?
That's what I've been thinking. Vicky maybe received a call from PP from the scene, and she was at home, made the 911 call while grabbing the child and started running toward where PP said he was.

[frogjustfrog]

You hear a beep like when a popup blocker comes up, then sounds of a phone dialing, then the sounds of a phone ringing, THEN a child says something like, " Answer that" , the phone is ringing while she is saying, "run, Run!" then the dispatcher answers. Like it was all recorded in the home of the plackers. Weird!

[LifeSaver]

I"d say Vicky, she clearly states her daughter/grandaughter in the tape.You could tell she walked up on the girls, I'd think from the tone of her voice changing. God Bless her, she cried out to you.

[CMorrison64]

You hear a beep like when a popup blocker comes up, then sounds of a phone dialing, then the sounds of a phone ringing, THEN a child says something like, " Answer that" , the phone is ringing while she is saying, "run, Run!" then the dispatcher answers. Like it was all recorded in the home of the plackers. Weird!

Why can't LE be forthcoming with telling us CORRECTLY who made what call instead of leading us to believe it was PP all this time? Right now I'm finding it very difficult to believe ANYTHING LE has to say or has said. They just can't be messing up this investigation .... and if they're withholding something then it darn well better be because they have a suspect in mind.

[Tom'sGirl]

I"d say Vicky, she clearly states her daughter/grandaughter in the tape.You could tell she walked up on the girls, I'd think from the tone of her voice changing. God Bless her, she cried out to you.
:confused:

[LifeSaver]

I'd guess that was on the operators side. She was trying to locate Vicky, and calling for LE

[tulsa]

You know what is even weirder? Or at least my husband and I thought so, maybe someone could clarify it for us, but you could hear the GM saying Run Run Run BEFORE the dispatcher answered the phone. I am going to listen again, but every time I cry. I just hate this!!!

The recording begins when connection is made with the 911 system. Then the computer "codes" the call to the proper dispatch (the rings you hear). Someone explained it during Cindy Sommer's trial. I wish she was here to explain it again.

[SeriouslySearching]

Is anyone upset about the handling of this case, other than myself ?...

We have excellent minds, IQ's and experience on this thread that could be of tremendous help to any LE..

what do we get....totally misled about all the facts...imoWhile I do agree with the excellent minds comment, I don't believe we collectively have the expertise that the OSBI, US Marshall's Service, The FBI, and respective LE agencies have working this case.

I don't like the way they are dealing with the public, but I can't question what they are doing inside the investigation as we are not privy to that information. I said early on that people sending them out on wild goose chases with tips, theories, and things that are not solid leads would put an unneccesary burden on them. It is what sounds to me like has happened.

Nancy, Greta, or Geraldo aren't going to make them jump through hoops on this no matter how hard they try. OSBI is going to continue to do what they are doing.

Still...misleading the public is a very serious matter as I have repeatedly defended them as to their credibility. They have lost that with me.

[LifeSaver]

you didn't hear the tape?

[Tom'sGirl]

Could one of the girls still been alive, moaning and trying to speak?
NO, NOT MOANING, IT WAS A SMALL CHILDS VOICE, have you heard it???

[CMorrison64]

you didn't hear the tape?

I haven't heard it yet, am at work and can't get it up loud enough to hear.

[LifeSaver]

Amen, I'm with you. From the tapes, I doubt he had a cell phone, sounds like he ran home, told Vicky to make the call and she was running right behind him.

[Tom'sGirl]

I haven't heard it yet, am at work and can't get it up loud enough to hear.
We know you haven't heard it, it was this post.

Originally Posted by Letsthink http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2402856#post2402856)
Could one of the girls still been alive, moaning and trying to speak?

[frogjustfrog]

The recording begins when connection is made with the 911 system. Then the computer "codes" the call to the proper dispatch (the rings you hear). Someone explained it during Cindy Sommer's trial. I wish she was here to explain it again.

Thank you very much for explaining that. I was starting to get extremely confused. so.... the child had to be with the 911 dispatcher then, right?

[LifeSaver]

This is all so confusing, so much turned around. Taylor had a phone, Skyla had a phone, I doubt anyone had a phone. I could have sworn Brown, said he took a phone from one of the girls and made 911 call

[CMorrison64]

We know you haven't heard it, it was this post.

Oh, gotcha!

[EnvoyDriver61]

I'm going to (potentially) throw another burr in this mess.

If I recall correctly, wasn't one of the explanations why a certain sheriff's department was called initially because the 911 dispatcher (or maybe the sheriff's call receiver, I don't remember which) stated that there was an unexpected cell tower that picked up the 911 call, the one further east of the crime scene towards Henryetta, even though there was one cell tower closer to Weleetka that would have changed how/who responded initially.

Am I remembering this correctly?

[Tom'sGirl]

This is all so confusing, so much turned around. Taylor had a phone, Skyla had a phone, I doubt anyone had a phone. I could have sworn Brown, said he took a phone from one of the girls and made 911 call
It was said in the 6-10-08 Presser video, but not by Ms. Brown

[frogjustfrog]

While I do agree with the excellent minds comment, I don't believe we collectively have the expertise that the OSBI, US Marshall's Service, The FBI, and respective LE agencies have working this case.

I don't like the way they are dealing with the public, but I can't question what they are doing inside the investigation as we are not privy to that information. I said early on that people sending them out on wild goose chases with tips, theories, and things that are not solid leads would put an unneccesary burden on them. It is what sounds to me like has happened.

Nancy, Greta, or Geraldo aren't going to make them jump through hoops on this no matter how hard they try. OSBI is going to continue to do what they are doing.

Still...misleading the public is a very serious matter as I have repeatedly defended them as to their credibility. They have lost that with me.

Is it possible though, that misleading the public makes the truth a secret, and only when someone comes to them with the truth, that they will KNOW they know something? IF that is the case, then it doesnt matter to me how bad I want to know facts, if it would jeopardize the case, I can stay in wonder. I'm hoping this is the only reason we are not told. Not because they dont have a clue. :confused:

[EnvoyDriver61]

The things they have withheld definitely point to their hopes that one of the two theorized killers will turn on the other AND that the POI will be able to verify certain actions that refute one or both of the killers.

[MeoW333]

I'm going to (potentially) throw another burr in this mess.

If I recall correctly, wasn't one of the explanations why a certain sheriff's department was called initially because the 911 dispatcher (or maybe the sheriff's call receiver, I don't remember which) stated that there was an unexpected cell tower that picked up the 911 call, the one further east of the crime scene towards Henryetta, even though there was one cell tower closer to Weleetka that would have changed how/who responded initially.

Am I remembering this correctly?

I think i recall hearing something of the sort as well, in the beginning when we first heard about the case.

..Does anyone have a direct link to the 911 call so i can hear it? The links don't work.

[frogjustfrog]

I'm going to (potentially) throw another burr in this mess.

If I recall correctly, wasn't one of the explanations why a certain sheriff's department was called initially because the 911 dispatcher (or maybe the sheriff's call receiver, I don't remember which) stated that there was an unexpected cell tower that picked up the 911 call, the one further east of the crime scene towards Henryetta, even though there was one cell tower closer to Weleetka that would have changed how/who responded initially.

Am I remembering this correctly?

Yes you are remembering correctly. The first call went to Okmulgee County. The first LE there was Weleetka police according to my source.

[cloudajo]

At the beginning, after you hear the man (Peter?) in the background yell something, to me it sounds like she yells back "What?" What?" not "Run." Am I the only one who hears it differently?

[LifeSaver]

Yeah, that sound logical. You can clearly tell she is running and out of breath.

[EnvoyDriver61]

Then, the cell tower story, if LE is to be believed, proves that a cell was used to call 911. Whose it was and where the call was made is to be determined. I don't know how that might play out in the 911 controversy.

[LifeSaver]

and then you can tell when she approaches the bodies. Its horrible, I won't listen to it again.

[frogjustfrog]

Yeah, that sound logical. You can clearly tell she is running and out of breath.
She says on County Line, going to Coleman Road. Do you know which road is Coleman Road? I dont remember a Coleman Road.:confused:

[LifeSaver]

controversy ??????

[cloudajo]

The News9 video seems to be the most complete one posted currently.

Was there a Q&A after that? If so, how long did it last and was anything else said?

[SeriouslySearching]

Is it possible though, that misleading the public makes the truth a secret, and only when someone comes to them with the truth, that they will KNOW they know something? IF that is the case, then it doesnt matter to me how bad I want to know facts, if it would jeopardize the case, I can stay in wonder. I'm hoping this is the only reason we are not told. Not because they dont have a clue. :confused:No, when LE lies outright or misleads the public...they lose their credibility not only in this case, but in any other case that comes up after this one. They cannot afford to do that...but it sure looks like what they have done.

They certainly have more information "known only by the killer" already than to lie outright! There should be NO discrepancies coming from them when they are talking to the public.

[frogjustfrog]

http://www.koco.com/video/16946343/index.html

This is the KOCO tv link. It shows questions and answers. If someone already posted this, I am sorry. I lost connection due to heavy traffic on this site

[frogjustfrog]

Does anyone in here know where the Coleman Road GM stated, is?

[Busylady]

I don't think its a child I think its someone yelling I think they are dead.

[Busylady]

It also sounds like she says someone killed to girls my daughter, my grandbaby, her daughter her friend. ?

[evelyn24]

She says, "someone killed two girls, my grandbaby, my daughter, and her daught...her friend."
She's freaking' out, and stumbled on her words.
I think releasing it was a good idea, because it might evoke humanity from someone who knows something. Not the killer, but someone close to him/them.

[Busylady]

Before she says grandbaby for the first time she says ____ daughter at 4:41.

[Busylady]

Hub listened to it as well and he knows no history on who players are etc. He says it sounds like an elderly woman yelling I think they're dead at the very beginning.

Now I am wondering what two females were there when 911 was called

[cloudajo]

http://www.koco.com/video/16946343/index.html

This is the KOCO tv link. It shows questions and answers. If someone already posted this, I am sorry. I lost connection due to heavy traffic on this site

Thanks Frog.

[Tom'sGirl]

http://www.koco.com/video/16946343/index.html

This is the KOCO tv link. It shows questions and answers. If someone already posted this, I am sorry. I lost connection due to heavy traffic on this site
Thank you so much fjf for the link. I've put it in the Links thread and the on another thread that was started here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67702

[evelyn24]

I think she says my daughter, then my grandbaby.

[Mysterylover]

No, when LE lies outright or misleads the public...they lose their credibility not only in this case, but in any other case that comes up after this one.

They cannot afford to do that...but it sure looks like what they have done.

They certainly have more information "known only by the killer" already than to lie outright!

There should be NO discrepancies coming from them when they are talking to the public....

Good points...Do we know how much EXPERIENCE these agents have?
Are they right out of college?...

"experience" and good common "street sense" is what they need in this case.....imo

[Busylady]

I think it is a big issue, we have been lead to believe that PP used one of the girls cell phones and called 911. No mention of Vicky, Claudia, or Rose being on the scene before 911 was called. Listening to the call tells us this isnt correct, so trying to figure out who was there I think is important.

She says, "someone killed two girls, my grandbaby, my daughter, and her daught...her friend."
She's freaking' out, and stumbled on her words.
I'm still not getting the probative value of the call as far as who made it and background noise. I think releasing it was a good idea, because it might evoke humanity from someone who knows something. Not the killer, but someone close to him/them.

[little726]

Nancy Grace is doing a story on it tonight. I tried to post earlier, but it was too busy here. Couldn't get in.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think its a child I think its someone yelling I think they are dead.I thought I heard the word "dead", too.

[frogjustfrog]

Thank you so much fjf for the link. I've put it in the Links thread and the on another thread that was started here http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67702

You all are welcome. And thank you, TG. I thought about doing that, but I havent done anything like that and was hoping someone else would. Thanks again. :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is a big issue, we have been lead to believe that PP used one of the girls cell phones and called 911. No mention of Vicky, Claudia, or Rose being on the scene before 911 was called. Listening to the call tells us this isnt correct, so trying to figure out who was there I think is important.I agree now. I didn't initially until I got into dissecting it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Good points...Do we know how much EXPERIENCE these agents have?
Are they right out of college?...

"experience" and good common "street sense" is what they need in this case.....imoMost of them worked the Oklahoma City Bombing case and many other high profile cases we have had here. So their experience is far, far beyond anyone right out of college!!

[GetSmart]

I'm sorry but what is the "expert" in victimolgy" Beth she appears to be in her 20's.. I don't know there is so much more.. they could be doing.
So Members of the FBI & Retired Agents are helping today.. is this correct? TODAY? When asked about the info ..cell phones, computer ect is there info they are not releasing..Jessica says " Alot of it" Also in regards to 911 call she was asked if that was the only 911 call..."To the best of my knowledge" WTH !! So many unanswered questions.. We have to pray tonight that God puts in on someones heart to the point they can't function until they come forward with the needed info. JMO

[SeriouslySearching]

This thread has gotten way too long. Please continue here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2403019#post2403019

I also would remind anyone if they want to easily carry over things to the new thread...like the links to the call or the transcriptions...it is quicker to hit the quote button before this thread is locked.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm sorry but what is the "expert" in victimolgy" Beth she appears to be in her 20's.. I don't know there is so much more.. they could be doing.
So Members of the FBI & Retired Agents are helping today.. is this correct? TODAY? When asked about the info ..cell phones, computer ect is there info they are not releasing..Jessica says " Alot of it" Also in regards to 911 call she was asked if that was the only 911 call..."To the best of my knowledge" WTH !! So many unanswered questions.. We have to pray tonight that God puts in on someones heart to the point they can't function until they come forward with the needed info. JMO
And what was the point of not saying who was on the 911 tape, other than saying a family relative???

[frogjustfrog]

I think it is a big issue, we have been lead to believe that PP used one of the girls cell phones and called 911. No mention of Vicky, Claudia, or Rose being on the scene before 911 was called. Listening to the call tells us this isnt correct, so trying to figure out who was there I think is important.

I thought it was a little strange that when Ms Brown was asked if that was the only 911 call, she said, to my knowledge, yes.
I would think it WOULD BE to her knowledge. How can you conduct an interview without not having knowledge? I think they are being evasive because there is really important evidence in the call(s)...IF there is more than one and they are keeping that to themselves.

And when asked if it was made from Taylor's phone, she said no.