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SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 12:42 AM

Taximom said: There's this Heather:
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=6267674
"It doesn't make you feel safer, it just makes you feel sad more than anything. I just hate that it happened to her, no matter what happened hopefully it will come to justice," Nancy Cooper's neighbor Heather Benicek said.
Is it just our suspicious minds or does she seem a bit "off" on the way she is talking about this?

"no matter what happened". She was brutally murdered is what happened! Yes, hopefully, it will "come to justice".

Taximom

07-19-2008, 12:43 AM

WWWS (What would Wudge say)

Probably just our suspicious minds, SS. lol

Christine, I LOVE that Welcome thingie in your siggy. Wow.

Taximom

07-19-2008, 12:45 AM

Actually I'm getting hung up on the "I just hate that it happened to her" part. But again, I'm humming that Elvis song.

philamena

07-19-2008, 12:47 AM

Welcome audiogirl!
Now what pray tell does your post mean? Sounds like you joined so you post to yourself only. :) lol
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Finally... I'm approved! You guys are great! I have so many things I would love to comment on concerning BC but, unfortunately, I must decline at this time. I am a very (giving the NG "quote unquote" stance) "private" poster, therefore I will be keeping all posts to myself. Thank you for your understanding in this matter. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/basic/wink.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/)

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 12:49 AM

If it was her, just saying, that would be so crass for the friends of Nancy's (who knew about the affair) to see HER of all people on TV. Holy Mole!

whiteangora

07-19-2008, 12:50 AM

philamena

07-19-2008, 12:51 AM

Is it just our suspicious minds or does she seem a bit "off" on the way she is talking about this?

"no matter what happened". She was brutally murdered is what happened! Yes, hopefully, it will "come to justice".

The same neighbor made another rather odd comment the day Nancy went missing. I'll have to see if I saved the link to my computer.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 12:55 AM

Welcome audiogirl!
Now what pray tell does your post mean? Sounds like you joined so you post to yourself only. :) lol
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Posts: 1I think she is saying, if I got the meaning of her post, was that she would love to speak freely, but at this time she cannot. She wanted to give us accolades and introduce herself tho. Let's respect her for what she cannot say and wait until she feels able to post her thoughts. She may be very close to the situation and wants to remain anonymous.

philamena

07-19-2008, 12:56 AM

WUDGE, this one's for you. ;)

Husband Says He's Innocent
http://www.charlotte.com/news/story/719641.html

Brad Cooper did not kill his wife and wants to mourn her death in private, his attorneys said today at a brief news conference.
Lawyer Seth Blum said he and lawyer Howard Kurtz called the gathering because of wild speculation about the slaying of Nancy Cooper, whose body

philamena

07-19-2008, 12:57 AM

I think she is saying, if I got the meaning of her post, was that she would love to speak freely, but at this time she cannot. She wanted to give us accolades and introduce herself tho. Let's respect her for what she cannot say and wait until she feels able to post her thoughts. She may be very close to the situation and wants to remain anonymous.

I get it! ;)
Thanks for the explanation.

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http://news14.com/content/top_stories/597477/vigil-remembers-slain-cary-woman/Default.aspx

Vigil remembers slain Cary woman

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http://images.news14.com/media/2008/7/18/images/01vigil2.jpg
CARY, N.C. – Friends and family gathered Friday for a candlelight vigil in memory of Nancy Cooper as the search for her killer continues.

Cary Police still have no suspects in the death investigation of the 34-year-old Cary woman, who was found murdered Monday night in an unfinished subdivision near her home.

dated: 07/18/2008 09:55 PM

By: Ilin Chen

SNIP-Cooper's husband Brad was absent from Friday night's vigil.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 12:57 AM

I'm pretty sure I heard someone on tv, (perhaps LE) state that "there will be no arrests this weekend.
Can anyone please refresh my mind where this was said.
And, how can they make such a statement? What if the killer decided to
confess and turn himself in?
TIALE would be delighted to be mistaken on this front if the killer turned himself in! However, they were making the statement on what their plans were for the weekend only. No arrests mean that the press doesn't need to anticipate a huge weekend press conference, imo.

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 12:59 AM

I found this Heather Benecek on Reunion.com. She's at the top of the list on the linked page, but I'm not a member, so the link doesn't work for me.

Maybe we have a Reunion member here who could try it.

http://www.reunion.com/people-search-directory/L3/32425

Susan

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 12:59 AM

The same neighbor made another rather odd comment the day Nancy went missing. I'll have to see if I saved the link to my computer.What are you sitting here reading this post for?! Get to searching, woman!! LOL

Coolmomof4

07-19-2008, 01:02 AM

Uh yeah, Heather Benicek on myspace in Cary, NC is estatic and logged on yesterday. How many with that name can there be in Cary?

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 01:08 AM

Uh yeah, Heather Benicek on myspace in Cary, NC is estatic and logged on yesterday. How many with that name can there be in Cary?

Please, do share the link with us!

Susan

philamena

07-19-2008, 01:08 AM

What are you sitting here reading this post for?! Get to searching, woman!! LOL
bahaaaaa on my way:crazy:

Okay, comment was made by Diane Duncan. She made this comment the day Nancy disappeared...it sounded strange to me. When I read that I wondered if this woman meant something different than -we need to keep searching for Nancy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381421,00.html

"She has two beautiful little girls who I love so much," Duncan said. "We her so much; we all do. We just have to keep looking on."

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:09 AM

Thanks, Susan! I don't have access to that site, but maybe someone will.

Coolmomof4

07-19-2008, 01:12 AM

Please, do share the link with us!

Susan

Sorry, nothing really to see. HEr profile is set to private, you have to be her "friend" to see anything, but you CAN see that she last logged on yesterday, she is 30 years old, and she is "estatic" and her profile pic.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=60801574

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 01:12 AM

Uh yeah, Heather Benicek on myspace in Cary, NC is estatic and logged on yesterday. How many with that name can there be in Cary? I can't find this is there a link?

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 01:14 AM

thanks a bunch

Coolmomof4

07-19-2008, 01:14 AM

curiositycat, i just posted it right above your post :)

Taximom

07-19-2008, 01:15 AM

Well, to be fair...we only know a possible name "Heather". HB is a neighbor and was quoted in the news. So there could be other Heather's in BC's life. Were there names in his photo album? The crepes in Paris site?

Busylady

07-19-2008, 01:15 AM

“It was scary, it was very, very sad,” described neighborhood resident Heather Benicek. “I think more than anything, everyone is just so sad for the children, and that was the biggest thing, not knowing what was going on, knowing how young they were and their mother was missing."

http://news14.com/content/headlines/597397/missing-jogger-found-murdered/Default.aspx

tarheelfan78

07-19-2008, 01:16 AM

My question is how can you live in a neighborhood where someone you know was murdered and be estatic? Even if the name said wasn't Heather...does Greta do transcripts like Nancy Grace? I would love to find out what name was said.

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:18 AM

Is it just our suspicious minds or does she seem a bit "off" on the way she is talking about this?

"no matter what happened". She was brutally murdered is what happened! Yes, hopefully, it will "come to justice".

I think that remark is very strange also, Seriously Searching. Did this Heather live right next door, or just in the neighborhood?

This is neither here nor there, but as Brad is Nancy's husband, he is the next of kin (of course). Brad would have had to sign a paper stating that he is giving up rights to Nancy's body to her family as they are taking her too her home country of Canada for burial.

I am in another state. My son was killed on a motorcycle by a drunk driver when he was 28. He and his wife were still living together, but divorce was coming. She was having an affair and did not care that people knew it. She said she had no money for the funeral. As his mother, I stepped in and said that I would take care of everything. The funeral home director had his wife sign a paper stating that she would be turning his body over to me.

My point is this. A husband or wife is the next of kin. If they do not or cannot plan and or pay for the funeral, then they can sign over their right of say so over their husband/wife to other family who can and will see to it.

It appears that Brad would have signed away his claim to Nancy's body. I wonder if that is why he is saying he prefers to grieve in 'private'? This guy is a piece of work, IMO. I doubt Brad would be allowed to leave the country anyway. Nancy's family is so wonderful, close, and full of love. As this is the very last thing they can do for Nancy, I am glad they are being allowed to do so.

If Brad Cooper did not kill Nancy, then I will never trust my gut feelings again.

Coolmomof4

07-19-2008, 01:19 AM

well, to be fair to heather, I check my myspace every so often, and I haven't changed my "mood" in months. I don't even remember what it says, but I think it pops up on your home page when you log in, so you're bound to see it. If she had time to log on then...

ETA: I just checked mine... It does pop up at the top of your page in a colored bar, so kinda hard to miss. Good thing mine says what it does. I guess it has pretty much fit for months.

LaCoquette

07-19-2008, 01:22 AM

I've been lurking for a couple of days and want to comment on the clip from Greta's show tonight. I'm going to watch the repeat in 45 minutes to see if I can get the name of the mistress.

A reporter stuck a mike in BC's attorney's face and asked about the mistress but I didn't get the last name. "Can you confirm that BC was having an affair with Marian ............?" I could have sworn he said Marian. I hope I heard right.

I didn't hear anything about a Heather though.

Coolmomof4

07-19-2008, 01:23 AM

Ok. off to bed. Hubby is getting tired of me being on late every night.

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 01:24 AM

If Brad Cooper did not kill Nancy, then I will never trust my gut feelings again.

Well said LaLaw. and I feel the same way!

Regarding the increase in equity line....I posted (in thread 6 I believe) the incredible cost of ironman triathlon training and racing.. (My hubby is on all army triathlon team and I am speaking from experience)...

I also wondered if BC had online gambling issues or something of that sort, that he was hiding from family... I mean his poor wife had to ask her parents for grocery money!

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:25 AM

I watched Greta also, and I heard the name Heather, I believe.

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:30 AM

Well said LaLaw. and I feel the same way!

Regarding the increase in equity line....I posted (in thread 6 I believe) the incredible cost of ironman triathlon training and racing.. (My hubby is on all army triathlon team and I am speaking from experience)...

I also wondered if BC had online gambling issues or something of that sort, that he was hiding from family... I mean his poor wife had to ask her parents for grocery money!

Brad does seem to be hung up over money. I am so sorry that Nancy had to live her last days having to borrow money for food for she and the kids, as well as knowing her husband had (maybe still was) having an affair.

I have read your posts about your husband's ironman triathlon training and racing. He is fortunate to have an understanding, great wife!

Taximom

07-19-2008, 01:32 AM

NC-Curious

07-19-2008, 01:33 AM

[QUOTE=nursebeeme;2394908]Well said LaLaw. and I feel the same way!

I agree totally...Hope I don't end up being amongst those that has to eat my hat.

NC-Curious

07-19-2008, 01:35 AM

And hopefully soon...MARION...will be glad to see him in his new home in the cell next to Michael Peterson...and isn't Ray Carruth there as well?

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:37 AM

Let's be real here...Brad probably had several affairs (which people mentioned to reporters off camera) and we might just pick a name out of a hat to pull up one of his former lovers. He is a cad!

This Heather may not be one of them, but until someone can slow down the video to see actually what was said by the reporter...we won't know if it was the name. I thought I heard it right, but maybe not.

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:38 AM

busylady, nice job on finding that quote!

tarheel, I know I just logged in to my Myspace today after a few weeks and I was "happy" about something. It's still that way because I didn't feel like changing it. :/

Good catch, LaCoquette. I hope it's clearer the second time around! So the affair could have been with a "Marian" or maybe even a "Mary Ann".

LOL, coolmom...he'll get used to it! :D Kidding!

LaLaw, I'm so deeply sorry for the loss of your son. That has to be one of the worst things a parent goes through. ((hugs))

Thank you, Taximom. Yes it is and always will be hard. You never think you will lose your son/daughter at a young age. I am a huge MADD member.

I just think it very odd Brad would give up the right to his wife's funeral planning and so forth if he was not guilty. Of course, I do not know that he has, but it would seem so. I am glad Nancy's parents can do this for her.

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 01:38 AM

And hopefully soon...MARION...will be glad to see him in his new home in the cell next to Michael Peterson...and isn't Ray Carruth there as well?

I'm confused. What are you talking about?

Susan

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:41 AM

[QUOTE=nursebeeme;2394908]Well said LaLaw. and I feel the same way!

I agree totally...Hope I don't end up being amongst those that has to eat my hat.

I have had to eat my hat, have crow for dinner, etc. - not very many times, mind you, but I have.

:)

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:42 AM

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:42 AM

I think that remark is very strange also, Seriously Searching. Did this Heather live right next door, or just in the neighborhood?

This is neither here nor there, but as Brad is Nancy's husband, he is the next of kin (of course). Brad would have had to sign a paper stating that he is giving up rights to Nancy's body to her family as they are taking her too her home country of Canada for burial.

I am in another state. My son was killed on a motorcycle by a drunk driver when he was 28. He and his wife were still living together, but divorce was coming. She was having an affair and did not care that people knew it. She said she had no money for the funeral. As his mother, I stepped in and said that I would take care of everything. The funeral home director had his wife sign a paper stating that she would be turning his body over to me.

My point is this. A husband or wife is the next of kin. If they do not or cannot plan and or pay for the funeral, then they can sign over their right of say so over their husband/wife to other family who can and will see to it.

It appears that Brad would have signed away his claim to Nancy's body. I wonder if that is why he is saying he prefers to grieve in 'private'? This guy is a piece of work, IMO. I doubt Brad would be allowed to leave the country anyway. Nancy's family is so wonderful, close, and full of love. As this is the very last thing they can do for Nancy, I am glad they are being allowed to do so.

If Brad Cooper did not kill Nancy, then I will never trust my gut feelings again.Awwww, ((((LaLaw)))). You have my deepest sympathies. Bless your heart. What a horrible tragedy. :( I am glad his poorexcuseforawife decided to allow you to have your son to carry out what must have been the most difficult thing to ever do. My heart goes out to you.

I think Brad allowing her to be buried in Canada says that he won't be visiting her gravesite anytime soon, imo. He wants all of this to just go away. Calgary mentioned how much Brad hated any confrontation. I think he is going to crawl into a shell and hide now until LE decides to charge him or not. The Atty was right...he is a "private" guy when the desperately wanted spotlight lands directly on him and sheds a bad light on his actions.

I don't know if she lived next door or not. They only said neighbor.

philamena

07-19-2008, 01:43 AM

What has Brad done that could be interpreted as hinky?
None of these things alone mean much....but together?
1. Stopped giving Nancy money for groceries.
2. Started abusing his wife emotionally and verbally in front of the children.
3. Was rumored to be having an affair.
4. Was ticked off that his wife wanted a separation.
5. Took the children's passports out of Nancy's car.
6. Didn't call police to tell them his wife was missing.
7. Told people his wife went jogging alone Saturday morning.
8. Wore long sleeve shirt to press conference when weather was quite hot. Was he covering his arms for a reason?
9. Was reportedly at a convenience store buying either clothes detergent or bleach at 4am.
10. Has not attended 3 other press conferences.
11. Did NOT attend his wife's vigil Friday night.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:44 AM

[QUOTE=NC-Curious;2394930]

I have had to eat my hat, have crow for dinner, etc. - not very many times, mind you, but I have.

:)Tastes like chicken. :chicken:

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 01:45 AM

HB lives 2.38 miles from the Coopers.

This according to checking www.switchboard.com (http://www.switchboard.com) for her address, and then checking driving directions between the two addresses at www.mapquest.com (http://www.mapquest.com) .

I am sorry you had to go through the nightmare of losing your son.

Did this Heather live right next door, or just in the neighborhood?

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:46 AM

jilly

07-19-2008, 01:48 AM

Thank you, Taximom. Yes it is and always will be hard. You never think you will lose your son/daughter at a young age. I am a huge MADD member.

I just think it very odd Brad would give up the right to his wife's funeral planning and so forth if he was not guilty. Of course, I do not know that he has, but it would seem so. I am glad Nancy's parents can do this for her.

LaLaw - I'm very sorry to hear about your son too!:blowkiss:I can't even imagine your pain.:(

I brought up the subject last nite of Brad having to give up his rights for Nancy. I know in the court documents it referred to funeral so it must mean that they are burying her in Canada and not just having a memorial. I've been following the Michelle Young case out of NC and her husband wouldn't give up the burial rights for his wife and to date he has not been charged and has not even put a headstone on his wife's grave. Michelle's parents can't do anything!

If Brad has given up his rights and (we'll see what he does at the custody hearing), but right now I've got this sneaking suspicion that when the evidence comes in, he may want to cop a plea.

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:51 AM

Thank you, SeriouslySearching. Thanks for the hug! I really did not say it for sympathy, tho. But I do appreciate it very much. (((((SS)))))
It had just struck me as very strange.

Brad is in denial, I think. This is something that will not go away, and I am sure he would love for it to. I hope that LE is just waiting for forensics to come back. I know that these things take time, and I hope he is sweating bullets this weekend. He knows that LE has served a search warrant for his home at 2:00 AM, so he has no idea when or if an arrest is coming. He may be very paraniod right now.

I wonder if Brad will 'snap' from the pressure? And yes, his own actions brought this on himself.

melbel

07-19-2008, 01:51 AM

On Greta, the reporter said that Heather told Nancy's neighbor, Marianne, that she was having an affair with Brad. I have a DVR and rewound it and listened to it several times.

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 01:53 AM

[QUOTE=LaLaw2000;2394949]Tastes like chicken. :chicken:

:chicken:..... yes, it does!

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 01:56 AM

[
quote=philamena;2394958]What has Brad done that could be interpreted as hinky?
None of these things alone mean much....but together?
1. Stopped giving Nancy money for groceries.
2. Started abusing his wife emotionally and verbally in front of the children.
3. Was rumored to be having an affair.
4. Was ticked off that his wife wanted a separation.
5. Took the children's passports out of Nancy's car.
6. Didn't call police to tell them his wife was missing.
7. Told people his wife went jogging alone Saturday morning.
8. Wore long sleeve shirt to press conference when weather was quite hot. Was he covering his arms for a reason?
9. Was reportedly at a convenience store buying either clothes detergent or bleach at 4am.
10. Has not attended 3 other press conferences.
11. Did NOT attend his wife's vigil Friday night.
[/QUOTE]

great post, P! And might I add, according to a former aquaintance had no long lasting friendships and former girlfriends were not shocked and could see him doing this.

did not give his family enough money for FOOD...and his wife had to contact her parents to borrow money to do this

he has been suicidal since highschool with one attempt and one threat that we know of

he did not even lead the search for his wife or organize it.... a family friend did

he did not contest the emergency custody ruling (ie, currently no papers filed in contest including after he was served)

in media reports, which have saturated the msm, I have not read one single report from a friend or family member of BC that attests to his innocence or to the impossibility that he committed this crime....father being overseas or not!

his one media appearance spoke volumes via his body language and attire. He has not been seen since and his lawyer secondarily slammed Nancy's family for grieving at 'press conferences' while his lawyer states he would rather do it alone and in private.

I am telling you guys...we wsers need to exercize citizen's arrests! I sincerely hope bc is still being followed by LE..because he MOST CERTAINLY IS A FLIGHT RISK...and if he did do this.....who knows where he will try to fly...including suicide. For the suicide risk, and that alone, I would hope that if LE has enough evidence to arrest him they do it and do it SOON.

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 01:56 AM

On Greta, the reporter said that Heather told Nancy's neighbor, Marianne, that she was having an affair with Brad. I have a DVR and rewound it and listened to it several times.

Oh, I love our new newbies! Thanks for checking that melbel, and welcome to the block!

Susan

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 01:59 AM

Woah! Awesome, Melbel!!!! WTG!!! We could very well be on the right track then. Thanks and great job!!

Welcome to WS! I love the way you just jumped right in!

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 01:59 AM

On Greta, the reporter said that Heather told Nancy's neighbor, Marianne, that she was having an affair with Brad. I have a DVR and rewound it and listened to it several times.

dude...you rock... SS was just asking around if anyone had tivo! :rocker::rocker::rocker:(that is the u rock dude smiley....

cheko1

07-19-2008, 02:01 AM

Welcome audiogirl!
Now what pray tell does your post mean? Sounds like you joined so you post to yourself only. :) lol
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I think its in reference to what Brads lawyer stated today about Brad.....he said Brad was a very private person & wanted left alone. That was why he never went to the pressers nor should the media because he is grieving.....

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 02:03 AM

LaLaw - I'm very sorry to hear about your son too!:blowkiss:I can't even imagine your pain.:(

I brought up the subject last nite of Brad having to give up his rights for Nancy. I know in the court documents it referred to funeral so it must mean that they are burying her in Canada and not just having a memorial. I've been following the Michelle Young case out of NC and her husband wouldn't give up the burial rights for his wife and to date he has not been charged and has not even put a headstone on his wife's grave. Michelle's parents can't do anything!

If Brad has given up his rights and (we'll see what he does at the custody hearing), but right now I've got this sneaking suspicion that when the evidence comes in, he may want to cop a plea.

Thank you, jilly. (((jilly)))

O/T
My heart goes out to Michelle's parents. I have followed her case and am furious at him!

Only cowards kill. They certainly do not want anyone to harm them. I do hope that there is no plea deal if Brad did murder Nancy. She deserves FULL justice, as does her children and her family.

If Brad did this, I am for a First Degree murder charge for him. I am glad LE is taking their time and want to have as much evidence as possible before charging.

I feel LE is probably not far from bringing this case to a resolution!......:)

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:05 AM

Greta rerun is on now.

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 02:06 AM

bahaaaaa on my way:crazy:

Okay, comment was made by Diane Duncan. She made this comment the day Nancy disappeared...it sounded strange to me. When I read that I wondered if this woman meant something different than -we need to keep searching for Nancy.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,381421,00.html

Now that you've dug that comment up philamena, I remember furrowing my brow at that comment when I first read it! (You jogged my memory!) It did seem odd to me.

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:06 AM

Phil~ I have reread and reread that affidavit. Could it possibly mean that Brad and Nancy were just broke instead? In other words, he wasn't withholding funds for those things, but he actually did not have any funds for those things. Maybe they were robbing Peter to pay Paul and in severe financial straits. Possible or not?

SeriouslySearching,
If I didn't hear the words come directly from Nancy's sister's mouth, I would have thought maybe they were just a young couple in over their head. But at the news conference Thursday, Nancy's sister said that Brad was withholding money from Nancy and she had to borrow money from their parents to buy groceries for herself and the children. Her sister also said something like, my parents know what's been going on. :confused:

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:07 AM

On Greta, the reporter said that Heather told Nancy's neighbor, Marianne, that she was having an affair with Brad. I have a DVR and rewound it and listened to it several times.

A big (((HUG))) to you melbel and welcome!

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:07 AM

SeriouslySearching,
If I didn't hear the words come directly from Nancy's sister's mouth, I would have thought maybe they were just a young couple in over their head. But at the news conference Thursday, Nancy's sister said that Brad was withholding money from Nancy and she had to borrow money from their parents to buy groceries for herself and the children. Her sister also said something like, my parents know what's been going on. :confused:I guess I missed her saying that. Thanks for setting me straight! :blowkiss: Nothin' but the facts, Ma'am!

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 02:08 AM

Eeeyewww SS!:rolleyes:

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:08 AM

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great post, P! And might I add, according to a former aquaintance had no long lasting friendships and former girlfriends were not shocked and could see him doing this.

did not give his family enough money for FOOD...and his wife had to contact her parents to borrow money to do this

he has been suicidal since highschool with one attempt and one threat that we know of

he did not even lead the search for his wife or organize it.... a family friend did

he did not contest the emergency custody ruling (ie, currently no papers filed in contest including after he was served)

in media reports, which have saturated the msm, I have not read one single report from a friend or family member of BC that attests to his innocence or to the impossibility that he committed this crime....father being overseas or not!

his one media appearance spoke volumes via his body language and attire. He has not been seen since and his lawyer secondarily slammed Nancy's family for grieving at 'press conferences' while his lawyer states he would rather do it alone and in private.

I am telling you guys...we wsers need to exercize citizen's arrests! I sincerely hope bc is still being followed by LE..because he MOST CERTAINLY IS A FLIGHT RISK...and if he did do this.....who knows where he will try to fly...including suicide. For the suicide risk, and that alone, I would hope that if LE has enough evidence to arrest him they do it and do it SOON.[/quote]

nursebee-
:clap: we need to add your list to my list. ;)
Great job!!!

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 02:09 AM

On Greta, the reporter said that Heather told Nancy's neighbor, Marianne, that she was having an affair with Brad. I have a DVR and rewound it and listened to it several times.

Thank you so much! I do not know why I thought I heard a 'Heather' mentioned!

So this Marianne lives next door?

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:10 AM

Maybe soon we will get a subforum for these great lists!! Hint...hint...

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:10 AM

Thank you so much! I do not know why I thought I heard a 'Heather' mentioned!

So this Marianne lives next door?You DID! Heather told Mariane that she (Heather) was having an affair with Brad!

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 02:12 AM

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:12 AM

You DID! Heather told Mariane the she (Heather) was having an affair with Brad!
ss, please refresh my memory on who mariane is and how she knows heather and how they knew nancy... My head is spinning! tia

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:13 AM

I think its in reference to what Brads lawyer stated today about Brad.....he said Brad was a very private person & wanted left alone. That was why he never went to the pressers nor should the media because he is grieving.....

Hey cheko1! Thanks for the explanation.:)
I gotta do this lol, :waitasec: because IMO, Brad's lawyer is doing what most defense lawyers do....making up caca to save their clients face.

Brad didn't go to the news conferences or the vigil because IMO he's had at least one affair and people may not know that he's married...think S. Peterson and his lowrider hat trick. pleckkk

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:14 AM

Welcome to WS, LaCoquette! :)

LaLaw2000

07-19-2008, 02:14 AM

You DID! Heather told Mariane that she (Heather) was having an affair with Brad!

:eek:.... Thanks!

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 02:14 AM

Maybe soon we will get a subforum for these great lists!! Hint...hint...

You know, a sub-forum would be a very considerate way to welcome our new members who have come to us because of Nancy's case. It would be so much easier to catch up and stay current on new developments and such.

Only thinking of them, of course.

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:15 AM

I guess I missed her saying that. Thanks for setting me straight! :blowkiss: Nothin' but the facts, Ma'am!

bahaaa goffball,:crazy: :blowkiss:
If I hadn't been glued in front of the tv Thursday, I'd have missed the entire thing.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:17 AM

Maybe he didn't go to those things because he has been threatened. I would imagine there are people who are very angry and would love to lash out at Brad.

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:17 AM

You know, a sub-forum would be a very considerate way to welcome our new members who have come to us because of Nancy's case. It would be so much easier to catch up and stay current on new developments and such.

Only thinking of them, of course.

I completely agree with you, Susan... Especially when looking at the stats...when guests outnumber members it is very telling.

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:17 AM

You know, a sub-forum would be a very considerate way to welcome our new members who have come to us because of Nancy's case. It would be so much easier to catch up and stay current on new developments and such.

Only thinking of them, of course.

Great idea TGIR!! But I'm selfish and thinking of myself too. :crazy:
A nice subforum ---one where we could post facts, then one for theories, then one for those who knew the Coopers, oh and one for news links. coughcough:woohoo:;)

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:18 AM

You know, a sub-forum would be a very considerate way to welcome our new members who have come to us because of Nancy's case. It would be so much easier to catch up and stay current on new developments and such.

Only thinking of them, of course.Of course!! You are so very caring and we know how difficult it is for the new members to catch up. >wink<

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:19 AM

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:19 AM

Maybe he didn't go to those things because he has been threatened. I would imagine there are people who are very angry and would love to lash out at Brad.
ss...I wouldn't be surprised if some of the backlash would include that of his former lover/LOVERS)

(bold on that s is mine...to illuminate the complete lunacy and disregard for marriage vows of Nancy's husband)

tarheelfan78

07-19-2008, 02:21 AM

Thanks for verifying the name Melbel!!!

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:23 AM

Now that you've dug that comment up philamena, I remember furrowing my brow at that comment when I first read it! (You jogged my memory!) It did seem odd to me.

Didn't it MoonFlwr? I remember reading that and thought maybe I misunderstood... It was just a strange comment.

philamena

07-19-2008, 02:25 AM

Has it been confirmed that LE actually said no arrest this weekend?
I have a feeling we won't see an arrest until after Nancy's funeral.

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:25 AM

Yes, Melbel...sure is what he said!! Woohoo! We have our Amber! Now we just have to track down the right Heather (or we may have already...we are good!).

See...this think tank we have here is truly awesome. We work so well as a group!

could someone formulate a post with all the names and their relatedness? I am an old fart with an old fart brain (actually only 37 but I feel the downward slide coming lol).. I am lost on the name amber.... help ss.... LOL:runaway::bowdown::runaway::bowdown::runaway::b owdown::runaway:

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 02:28 AM

She was comparing Heather to Amber Frey from Laci's
case.

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:29 AM

:eye::eye:Thanks for verifying the name Melbel!!!
Hey tar, did you ever get your paper done? LOL

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 02:29 AM

She was comparing Heather to Amber Frey from Laci's
case.
i feel like an idiot! lol!!!!!!!

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 02:31 AM

When Diana Duncan was quoted as saying, "We just have to keep looking on", I think the reporter transposed the last two words. It probably should read, "We just have to keep on looking."

According to my research, DD lives across the street from the Coopers.

LaCoquette

07-19-2008, 02:31 AM

Melbel, did you hear a Marian Johnson the second time around? They were talking so fast I caught a Heather and then Grif Jenkins, the reporter, mentioned what I thought was Marian Johnson (as the neighbor).

I'm going to google Grif Jenkins and see if he has a blog.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:33 AM

LOL No, you aren't an idiot! It is just they know me and my sarcasm. :) Yes, Amber Frey.

cheko1

07-19-2008, 02:36 AM

Hey cheko1! Thanks for the explanation.:)
I gotta do this lol, :waitasec: because IMO, Brad's lawyer is doing what most defense lawyers do....making up caca to save their clients face.

Brad didn't go to the news conferences or the vigil because IMO he's had at least one affair and people may not know that he's married...think S. Peterson and his lowrider hat trick. pleckkk

After I reread the post : SS version sounds highly likely!

Brad's lawyer isn't going to be able to clean the caca off Brads face unless they find the real murderer!!!! lol

I can't wait until the women start coming forward letting LE know about the affairs. I bet there was a plenty of them. Of course he told them he was single.....or maybe that his wife was dead.......

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:37 AM

I would love to know what old Brad was up to while Nancy was on vacation with her family. I think it might be key to what transpired that night. Where was he and who was he with? Would he have the nerve and be disgusting enough to bring a woman into Nancy's bed? Did he openly have women over for the neighbors to see or did he have them duck down until he pulled that nice Beemer into the garage for cover? Did he have more than one affair going at the same time? Did he have a long term affair with just one person?

Carrington

07-19-2008, 02:37 AM

So....Greta gets one.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 02:41 AM

So....Greta gets one.She sure did! I also do not think that she would have let that air if they didn't know for certain either.

tarheelfan78

07-19-2008, 02:42 AM

Nurse,

Got that one done, "working" on a powerpoint... this site is addictive!!!

Carrington

07-19-2008, 02:46 AM

Trying to run behind you guys is tough.
My thoughts are whether Nancy was supportive of Brad trying to keep up with the big boys is, yes.
I can't remember the link, But I do remember that she was considering the Olympics herself, until a leg injury ended that dream.
IMO

Carrington

07-19-2008, 02:53 AM

I was thinking about the Louie Vuitton purse in her car. Could have been a gift.....
But, it appears they were living way over their heads, for a family of four.
I don't know how much Brad makes, can't be more than 150K plus car and bonus.
My SIL does the same type of work. I know what he makes.....Always looking for a better paying job. :rolleyes:
IMO

LaCoquette

07-19-2008, 03:06 AM

Magister

07-19-2008, 03:07 AM

I've said before that things don't look good for Brad and I realize that some of my occasional counterpoints go against the grain, but so many posters are trying to make hay from Nancy's father saying that he knew what was happening...

I'm sorry, but if my daughter were to ever tell me that her husband or boyfriend was being abusive (verbal, psychologically or physical) or if he's having multiple affairs and withholding funds, I'd offer to pay for her to stay in a hotel and if that didn't work, I'd get on a plane and kick some rear. I actually had a somewhat similar situation with a younger sister many, many years ago and though she didn't want to do anything about the situation, I made certain that she knew that she could count on my support. Nancy had supposedly gone the extra step of retaining an attorney, so she apparently was ready to leave and wasn't in the same boat as my sister.

It should go without saying that by no means am I trying to put any blame for what happened onto the grandfather, but the fact that he knew her relationship had problems doesn't really prove anything.

Taximom

07-19-2008, 03:07 AM

The HB records I've found don't seem to indicate she's married. So if it's her...that's a plus. (In a small way)

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 03:11 AM

I find it strange that Nancy left her purse in the car, but then I live in a large city and would never do that. However, the cell phone should have been in the house charging I would think. You know the LE are checking that phone to see the last time she called out on it.

Can anyone answer for me whether the children went with Nancy to Canada? If they had just returned to NC then I guess that's why the passports were in the purse/car?

Oh, how I wish they would have stayed in Canada! She would be alive today.

I HAVE to put in my 2 cents worth on the...leaving your purse in the car thing.
I think it is very much a personal thing. I regularly do it, as does another friend of mine. It would not appear odd to my family to see mine left in the car because that's just what I do.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 03:12 AM

There is a property owner in Cary named Marion J who lives 1.3 miles from the Coopers. I'm pretty sure this is a female since a male co-owns the house. If this is the right person, you will appreciate the irony of where her co-owner works -- the NC Dept of Correction -- if I am correct in my research!

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/

Griff's blog: http://griffsnotesdc.blogspot.com/

Melbel, did you hear a Marian Johnson the second time around? They were talking so fast I caught a Heather and then Grif Jenkins, the reporter, mentioned what I thought was Marian Johnson (as the neighbor).

I'm going to google Grif Jenkins and see if he has a blog.

Taximom

07-19-2008, 03:16 AM

The HB on Classmates.com indicates she is "spoken for", although I don't know when that was last updated. No photos, not much to the profile except "favorites". I want to hear a last name before I just start posting things here!

Magister

07-19-2008, 03:16 AM

Can anyone answer for me whether the children went with Nancy to Canada? If they had just returned to NC then I guess that's why the passports were in the purse/car?

Oh, how I wish they would have stayed in Canada! She would be alive today.

We've learned that Nancy went to South Carolina to spend some time at the beach with her family. We've never been told that the children went, but it has been assumed. Nonetheless, she had just returned from Hilton Head and not Canada.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 03:18 AM

She lives in a 1,178 sf condo. Maybe she's single or divorced.

The HB records I've found don't seem to indicate she's married. So if it's her...that's a plus. (In a small way)

Taximom

07-19-2008, 03:34 AM

Usually there are signs of divorce in the records I'm looking at. I see potentially parents, 1 sister and grandparents.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 03:44 AM

Magister

07-19-2008, 03:48 AM

I can't say why her father wasn't worried, but perhaps Nancy wasn't worried either. She thought she had things under control by the sounds of it. I don't hold her father responsible in any way! He would have moved heaven and earth to keep her safe. I have no doubt about that one. You can clearly see how much he loves his family and would do anything for them.

I agree and I'd like to reiterate that I'm not saying he bears any responsibility. She was an adult; It was her life and she could make her own choices. I just wanted to say that because the grandfather knew what was happening may be a subtle threat to Brad and it could be helpful with the custody question, but it really doesn't say anything public about the murder.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 03:51 AM

I think he meant he wasn't worried about Nancy being killed by her husband.

Meanwhile, her mother was worried about the situation.

I doubt anyone thought Nancy would be killed. The reason I doubt that is because, based on what we have heard, there just is nothing that points to Nancy having been in danger. Sure, her husband acted like a jerk (alleged affair(s), withholding money, hiding passports, refusing to move out of house). But that would not have sent up red flags that a homicide was in the near future, at least not for me.

To me, biggest red flag occurred after, or contemporaneous to, Nancy's disappearance: the husband's visit to the grocery store to buy bleach (or detergent with bleach) at 4 a.m.

I can't say why her father wasn't worried, but perhaps Nancy wasn't worried either. She thought she had things under control by the sounds of it. I don't hold her father responsible in any way! He would have moved heaven and earth to keep her safe. I have no doubt about that one. You can clearly see how much he loves his family and would do anything for them.

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 04:08 AM

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 04:10 AM

Nurse,

Got that one done, "working" on a powerpoint... this site is addictive!!!
dude...I know! Actually Steve Huff turned me on to this place...... HANDS DOWN~ IT IS THE BEST TRUE CRIME FORUM ON THE WWW (and that is world-wide-baby!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Glad you got your paper done. I remember those days (and this is not coming from a crinkly old woman but rather a crass, deductively thinking, double major in musical theatre thinking, kind of gal (who pierced her eyebrow at age `30...to MUCH dismay of the army officer's wives club LOL)..

Carrington

07-19-2008, 04:15 AM

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 04:23 AM

I HAVE to put in my 2 cents worth on the...leaving your purse in the car thing.
I think it is very much a personal thing. I regularly do it, as does another friend of mine. It would not appear odd to my family to see mine left in the car because that's just what I do.
ditto cam moon! If I were ever to be found dead there would be no purse and bruises all over my legs and arms...

why?

because I am a tomboy and always have been...and hate purses.. (could Nancy have hated purses and just stuck the stuff she needed in her pockets....? )

And because if someone bought me a LV purse I would pretend to be all happy about it but could care less if it sat in the car all night LOL

Magister

07-19-2008, 04:23 AM

To me, biggest red flag occurred after, or contemporaneous to, Nancy's disappearance: the husband's visit to the grocery store to buy bleach (or detergent with bleach) at 4 a.m.

I'll admit that the purchase doesn't look good and it'd cause a question in any reasonable person's mind, as it has my own, but it alone doesn't prove guilt. After all, the flipside of that coin is that nobody can ever purchase laundry detergent on the off-chance that somebody might get murdered and all stores should start closing at 8pm.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 04:31 AM

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 04:34 AM

IMO, nothing we know so far proves that Brad is guilty. If it did, he'd already be under arrest.

I'll admit that the purchase doesn't look good and it'd cause a question in any reasonable person's mind, as it has my own, but it alone doesn't prove guilt. After all, the flipside of that coin is that nobody can ever purchase laundry detergent on the off-chance that somebody might get murdered and all stores should start closing at 8pm.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 04:45 AM

We have to tread lightly here, IMO. Even though we've got only one "Heather" associated with the Coopers, that doesn't mean she is the one who allegedly had an affair with Brad.

I found one other property owner named Heather in Cary, who lives 1.3 miles from the Cooper's house.

Also, the "Heather" may not live in Cary or may live in an apartment, or may have a last name I have not turned up in my Google searches cross-referenced with Wake County's real estate data, or may live in Cary but not be the property owner of record.

Geez, there could be a dozen Heathers who could be the one.Well...if you reason that this particular Heather knew Nancy's neighbor well enough to admit she was having an affair with Brad...I would say she probably lived near her, worked with her, or had another reason to feel so comfortable with her. It has been rumored that the person Brad was having an affair with was a friend of Nancy's. So it even makes it more evident this person being so close to Nancy, Brad, and to the neighbor...might be a neighbor herself. If she were not married, but only living with a man...she may not turn up on any searches as to her current address.

Magister

07-19-2008, 04:46 AM

IMO, nothing we know so far proves that Brad is guilty. If it did, he'd already be under arrest.

Exactly. There is some circumstantial "evidence" which is hard to ignore, like the rumors about their relationship, the bleach purchase and her parents publicly accusing him of the crime in their petition for custody, but none are irrefutable, "CSI - Las Vegas" facts.

When I was a teen, I got the "Sheriff Lobo/Roscoe P. Coltrane" treatment from a neighboring town, but I've always considered the Cary PD to be a model of professionalism and beyond reproach. If he did it and if they can find the evidence, I trust that he'll be indicted, but until that time, I don't really know. And, if he didn't do it and if she was the victim of a random act, I honestly can't be as sure.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 04:47 AM

I agree. The problem is that it is hard to predict which men who have crumbled facades are probable future murderers.

I don't think that most middle-class women who are killed by their spouses are aware that they are in danger beforehand, absent physical abuse or threats from their husbands.

(I use the term "middle class" because the victims in the cases I have followed were middle class.)

Also, many of these women were on the verge of getting divorced or separated from their husbands. They are focused on how to start their lives anew, how to support their children, how to get a job, where to live, and so forth. Others have been pregnant or have a baby, and they are focused on that baby.

I'm sure many were thinking of more than I mentioned, of course, and I bet that focus elsewhere is another reason that their lives being in danger was not uppermost in their minds.

I think that many people assume that husbands who are not physically abusive or don't threaten to kill their wives are not dangerous.

From what I've observed, complete selfishness and lack of normal human emotions such as compassion are better indicators that a man might kill his wife. Men who do this have spent their lives putting on an act. They pretend to be outgoing, friendly, charismatic, caring , loving husbands and fathers. When the facade starts to crumble, the wife would be the first to see it. That is when she becomes expendable...and he becomes a killer.
JMO
Susan

Carrington

07-19-2008, 04:47 AM

If Brad didn't do it, I think it's very unprofessional of the Police to not warn the people of Wake county to the potential danger of a murderer on the loose.
Err on the side of caution....
IMO

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 04:53 AM

IMO, nothing we know so far proves that Brad is guilty. If it did, he'd already be under arrest.I disagree. They could have enough evidence to prove his guilt and him still not be under arrest. They are going to wait until they have an absolute air-tight case until they do that. They are being methodical and I think they will wait on the dna results before an arrest. If she has material under her fingernails and it matches Brad...which to me is possibly why they asked for his DNA...they will have more than enough. Since his DNA was only collected the past few days (we have no confirmation if or when he gave it up...only they served him to do so) then it could be a week or more before his results could be available to test against what they do have from her.

Magister

07-19-2008, 04:58 AM

If Brad didn't do it, I think it's very unprofessional of the Police to not warn the people of Wake county to the potential danger of a murderer on the loose.

The Chief has said that she's found nothing to indicate that this was anything but an isolated incident, but all that really means is that there's been no reports of similar crimes or near-misses in Cary. Another thread on this forum points toward a woman who disappeared the day before Nancy from the next county over and what appears to be her body was discovered about twenty minutes away.

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 04:59 AM

Oh yeah, I'm leaning in that direction myself.

I'm not sure what "neighbor" means in this case. I think of my neighbors as living in my subdivision (2 streets). Some of the neighbors referred to in the media live a couple of miles away.

Well...if you reason that this particular Heather knew Nancy's neighbor well enough to admit she was having an affair with Brad...I would say she probably lived near her, worked with her, or had another reason to feel so comfortable with her. It has been rumored that the person Brad was having an affair with was a friend of Nancy's. So it even makes it more evident this person being so close to Nancy, Brad, and to the neighbor...might be a neighbor herself. If she were not married, but only living with a man...she may not turn up on any searches as to her current address.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 05:02 AM

I think that many people assume that husbands who are not physically abusive or don't threaten to kill their wives are not dangerous.

From what I've observed, complete selfishness and lack of normal human emotions such as compassion are better indicators that a man might kill his wife. Men who do this have spent their lives putting on an act. They pretend to be outgoing, friendly, charismatic, caring , loving husbands and fathers. When the facade starts to crumble, the wife would be the first to see it. That is when she becomes expendable...and he becomes a killer.
JMO
SusanI agree. I have seen it repeatedly. Recently here, a high school teacher/coach killed his wife and that description fits him to a tee! No one suspected this man capable of killing his wife...until afterwards when they began to unravel his web of lies and deceit in order to make himself look "important" much like Mark Hacking.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 05:04 AM

Could it be that the media sought out this "Heather" because of the rumors to get her to make a statement on air? It is possible.

chicoliving

07-19-2008, 05:05 AM

Now you got some room to spread around. :)

Liz

07-19-2008, 05:08 AM

Thanks Chico for staying up and creating the new forum! :blowkiss:

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 05:14 AM

The Chief has said that she's found nothing to indicate that this was anything but an isolated incident, but all that really means is that there's been no reports of similar crimes or near-misses in Cary. Another thread on this forum points toward a woman who disappeared the day before Nancy from the next county over and what appears to be her body was discovered about twenty minutes away.

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

I had been wanting to know how far away Kelli was from Nancy's area, when she disappeared and you just answered that for me. Thanks, Magister! :)

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:14 AM

The town I live in is in the Boston metro area, which consists of 3 million people, covering 1422 square miles.

Boston is roughly 25 miles away from us, and has a high murder rate, as do some of the cities and towns within that metro area.

In my town, and the surrounding towns, murder is extremely rare. I think Entwistle's murders were the last two, and I'm pretty sure NE committed the first murders in 26 years in that town. His crimes made the murder rate of Hopkinton be higher than that of Boston for 2006, in fact.

So the murder rate in many towns around here is 0 (except for NE) and when murders do rarely occur, they are the result of domestic violence and are perpetrated by the husband the vast majority of the time.

What I'm getting at is that some places are just plain safe, even though they are in a large metro area in which the violent crime rate is high in parts of it. The higher the socio-economic class of the town, the lower the crime rate, it seems to me (at least that is the case in eastern Massachusetts).

Here is a comparison of crime rates in Cary and Raleigh:

http://raleigh.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Raleigh&s1=NC&c2=cary&s2=NC

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:24 AM

I think you've made a good point.

Could it be that the media sought out this "Heather" because of the rumors to get her to make a statement on air? It is possible.

Magister

07-19-2008, 05:28 AM

So the murder rate in many towns around here is 0 (except for NE) and when murders do rarely occur, they are the result of domestic violence and are 100% of the time perpetrated by the husband.

What I'm getting at is that some places are just plain safe, even though they are in a large metro area in which the violent crime rate is high in parts of it.

I'm currently living in the southwest and out of three murders of local people over the last year in my town of less than 10k (not counting the bodies which just pop-up in the surrounding desert or tourists), one was the result of a domestic situation, one was a nutjob with an automatic weapon and the other were teenagers in a park. I admit that the circumstances of Nancy's death and the things we've heard about Brad do make him a suspect (and we have no reason to believe that the police are looking at any other scenario), but murders happen and they may not always be as they seem.

BTW: I'm supposed to be working on my roof, so I'm going to have to periodically disappear for the rest of the night.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:28 AM

I wonder what percentage of men are like this. Or women -- there must be some who are like this.

I agree. I have seen it repeatedly. Recently here, a high school teacher/coach killed his wife and that description fits him to a tee! No one suspected this man capable of killing his wife...until afterwards when they began to unravel his web of lies and deceit in order to make himself look "important" much like Mark Hacking.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:37 AM

I agree that there is a (IMO, small) possibility that Brad is innocent. I am not on the fence about this, but I am always willing to change my mind as I learn more information about the case.

I wish we had more information. If he gets arrested, hopefully we'll find out more then.

I admit that the circumstances of Nancy's death and the things we've heard about Brad do make him a suspect (and we have no reason to believe that the police are looking at any other scenario), but murders happen and they may not always be as they seem.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:40 AM

It is 4:37 a.m. here and I have to go to bed. I can't believe I stayed up so late. it's starting to get light outside here! It's been a pleasure "talking" with you.

How in the heck do you work on your roof at night -- do you have floodlights set up or something?

ETA: Thought of something else. Nancy and Brad were married for 8 years. How long does it take for these facades to crumble enough for the wives (or husbands) to recognize the danger signs, do you figure?

I just wish there were some way to predict the probability (not just the possibility) of this happening so people could be aware of the red flags and perhaps some of the potential victims could (and would) save themselves. Of course, a widespread campaign (like the one about not drinking and driving) would have to be launched for this to work.

BTW: I'm supposed to be working on my roof, so I'm going to have to periodically disappear for the rest of the night.

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:41 AM

Thank you!

Now you got some room to spread around. :)

angiej

07-19-2008, 05:42 AM

We've learned that Nancy went to South Carolina to spend some time at the beach with her family. We've never been told that the children went, but it has been assumed. Nonetheless, she had just returned from Hilton Head and not Canada.

In the last press conference the grandfather of the little girls said the girls got to spend time with them while on vacation so they were already aclimated to Nancy's side of the family.

BTW Hi I'm new. It took awhile to get approved, but I'm glad I can finally contribute. I'm not a normal crime follower but there was something about Nancy's case that's had me following it ever since she disappeared on saturday. I'm glad to have found this forum to discuss the case on.

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 05:49 AM

Hi angiej!

Welcome! :seeya:

RoughlyCollie

07-19-2008, 05:50 AM

Welcome, angiej. Unfortunately it's now 4:48 a.m. and I have to get out of here, so I can't stick around to talk to you. I think you'll love it here and don't be surprised if a few more cases catch your interest and you stick around for a long time.

BTW Hi I'm new.

nursebeeme

07-19-2008, 05:55 AM

If Brad didn't do it, I think it's very unprofessional of the Police to not warn the people of Wake county to the potential danger of a murderer on the loose.
Err on the side of caution....
IMO
In my opinion...you just answered your own question... The professionalism of the cary pd, in my opinion again, is not an issue here

again IMHOO

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 06:29 AM

This may already have been posted, but that means I missed it, so will post it in case others haven't seen it.

Custody petition

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/20080717103017508.pdf

Magister

07-19-2008, 06:54 AM

It is 4:37 a.m. here and I have to go to bed. I can't believe I stayed up so late. it's starting to get light outside here! It's been a pleasure "talking" with you.

How in the heck do you work on your roof at night -- do you have floodlights set up or something?

The short answer is very quietly, but yes, I have some lights set up. It's the coolest part of the day (you can't really do much midday) and we'll soon be going on vacation. I've already mentioned that I live in a place with an inordinate amount of crime; Pretty regularly, when people go on vacation, someone breaks-in and steals most of their valuables and if the owners don't come back or the police investigate, the criminals will return and take the furniture and occasionally they'll steal the air conditioner and the fixtures (toilets, sinks, windows, doors etc.). There's just no way that I can leave shingles and roofing supplies laying around, while we're gone.

ETA: Thought of something else. Nancy and Brad were married for 8 years. How long does it take for these facades to crumble enough for the wives (or husbands) to recognize the danger signs, do you figure?

I hate to say it, but there does seem to be some basis for the seven-year-itch or at least I've seen anecdotal evidence. Though it's not the same thing by any means, but perhaps there's some kind of magical threshold around that number.

SeriouslySearching

07-19-2008, 07:00 AM

Now you got some room to spread around. :)Have I told you today how wonderful you are?! No?! :blowkiss: Thanks so much! We needed some extra space on this one!

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 08:21 AM

A little information about the memorial service scheduled for today.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3236095/

Sewing_Buddy

07-19-2008, 08:53 AM

[QUOTE=RoughlyCollie;2395401]
ETA: Thought of something else. Nancy and Brad were married for 8 years. How long does it take for these facades to crumble enough for the wives (or husbands) to recognize the danger signs, do you figure?

Do we know they have been married for 8 years? I read that they had moved to Cary 8 years ago....but was that when they first got married? I wonder how well Nancy's family knew Brad before she moved to the states with him.

My boys are in their 20's so I always think "could this be my future daughter-in-law?" when they have a serious girl. We like to get to know the girl as much as possible - even though the boys are in college (an hour away) and very busy. No doubt any girl's family feels the same way about my son!

wirehair

07-19-2008, 09:03 AM

My neighbor called on his way to work this morning. Cary LE was on Holly Springs Road stopping traffic and asking if anyone saw anything last Saturday. This was about 7am this morning.

RoseRed

07-19-2008, 09:14 AM

Has anyone else read any WRAL blogs or comments?
" I had heard about her "so called" affair and I heard about his "so called" affair "

http://www.wral.com/golo/blogpost/3234874/?d_comment_order=forward&d_full_comments=1&d_
comments_page=2#comments_block

Sry do not know how to make short links.

sugarbritches

07-19-2008, 09:15 AM

Hi
New here...Thanks for your help Chico. Just thought I would wake up to some news. I haven't seen anything yet, but of course came here first.
I am just so sad about Nancy. I even had a very vivid nightmare of her and her children last night. Too heartwrenching to go into detail. But it made me wake up and go kiss my babies while they slept. I think it is so so sad that she was doing everything she could to get away. She knew deep down that he was capable of something, but we never think that someone we know and loved would MURDER us. I say that IF he is convicted. IMO!!!!!!!!

MoonFlwr

07-19-2008, 09:16 AM

My neighbor called on his way to work this morning. Cary LE was on Holly Springs Road stopping traffic and asking if anyone saw anything last Saturday. This was about 7am this morning.

Hiya wirehair

Welcome to WS! :seeya:

So good to hear there are signs of active investigation!
Thanks for the info!

belimom

07-19-2008, 09:29 AM

Liz

07-19-2008, 09:35 AM

:Welcome-12-june: to all :newbie: members! :)

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 09:50 AM

Sorry if this has been mentioned before - I've read every post except the past 2-3 pages (gotta be somewhere in 30 min!)...

I think several posts have mentioned that the girls haven't asked about their mother, IIRC? When I read the statements by the family, I thought they said they have not told the girls about what happened to their mother and that the girls have not mentioned "it". I think the "it" the their mother being hurt or missing or dead or whatever, rather than they haven't asked about their mother. As a mom to two young children myself, I feel certain they have asked about her. So I think maybe their statement was misinterpreted. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation. :)

Also - Wow! Brad was a busy guy! Training for triathlons, working, MBA, husband/father (cough cough), AND an affair.... Geez.

Well in the news conference yesterday, the grandparents clearly said that they had not asked for their mom. Certainly you would expect that they had indeed, but when you have a twin sister who's showing the same love and affection, perhaps circumstances are different.

I woke up this morning thinking, if he had just let her take those girls back to Canada, he would have avoided a world of problems. If money was his motivation, she could have done very little in a Canadian court to enforce alimony or child support. He totally goofed on that one. So once she began pursuing the separation in US courts (or more specifically in talking with an attorney), Brad realized his goose was cooked.

For someone as intelligent as he is, and clearly, with the ability for high level reasoning, he completely lost all aspects of reality in this.

Several people have mentioned in early posts about why we can't see in Brad, Scott Peterson, Jason Young, Raven Abaroa, and others the ability or potential of doing such heinous acts. The fact is, they don't have this inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms them. They enter a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, their conscience is completely gone. The adversary (specifically in cases of adultery - and that's the primary link in ALL these cases) fools these individuals into thinking that they can get away with everything. Their condition changes over time, like the slow leak of a tire.

calidreamin

07-19-2008, 10:16 AM

Well in the news conference yesterday, the grandparents clearly said that they had not asked for their mom. Certainly you would expect that they had indeed, but when you have a twin sister who's showing the same love and affection, perhaps circumstances are different.

I woke up this morning thinking, if he had just let her take those girls back to Canada, he would have avoided a world of problems. If money was his motivation, she could have done very little in a Canadian court to enforce alimony or child support. He totally goofed on that one. So once she began pursuing the separation in US courts (or more specifically in talking with an attorney), Brad realized his goose was cooked.

For someone as intelligent as he is, and clearly, with the ability for high level reasoning, he completely lost all aspects of reality in this.

Several people have mentioned in early posts about why we can't see in Brad, Scott Peterson, Jason Young, Raven Abaroa, and others the ability or potential of doing such heinous acts. The fact is, they don't have this inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms them. They enter a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, their conscience is completely gone. The adversary (specifically in cases of adultery - and that's the primary link in ALL these cases) fools these individuals into thinking that they can get away with everything. Their condition changes over time, like the slow leak of a tire.

Good thoughts NC. He would have been better off had he just let her take the kids to Canada. I know a few extrememly intelligent people that completely lack common sense. My brother in law could answer any physics Question put to him but doesn't know what to do or who to call if his car breaks down.

Wudge

07-19-2008, 10:28 AM

Well in the news conference yesterday, the grandparents clearly said that they had not asked for their mom. Certainly you would expect that they had indeed, but when you have a twin sister who's showing the same love and affection, perhaps circumstances are different.

I woke up this morning thinking, if he had just let her take those girls back to Canada, he would have avoided a world of problems. If money was his motivation, she could have done very little in a Canadian court to enforce alimony or child support. He totally goofed on that one. So once she began pursuing the separation in US courts (or more specifically in talking with an attorney), Brad realized his goose was cooked.

For someone as intelligent as he is, and clearly, with the ability for high level reasoning, he completely lost all aspects of reality in this.

Several people have mentioned in early posts about why we can't see in Brad, Scott Peterson, Jason Young, Raven Abaroa, and others the ability or potential of doing such heinous acts. The fact is, they don't have this inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms them. They enter a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, their conscience is completely gone. The adversary (specifically in cases of adultery - and that's the primary link in ALL these cases) fools these individuals into thinking that they can get away with everything. Their condition changes over time, like the slow leak of a tire.

Is their some inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms some people to conclude guilt ahead of evidence?

Is that not a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, to a point where their conscience becomes completely gone?

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 10:31 AM

ditto cam moon! If I were ever to be found dead there would be no purse and bruises all over my legs and arms...

why?

because I am a tomboy and always have been...and hate purses.. (could Nancy have hated purses and just stuck the stuff she needed in her pockets....? )

And because if someone bought me a LV purse I would pretend to be all happy about it but could care less if it sat in the car all night LOL

Ditto that me. Purses, what a pain!

Pepper

07-19-2008, 10:36 AM

Is their some inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms some people to conclude guilt ahead of evidence?

Is that not a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, to a point where their conscience becomes completely gone?

No. That's what we do here. We look at what is known aout the case and speculate on who and why could have done it.

You think the boogey man did it?

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 10:36 AM

Is their some inherent characteristic or trait that automatically dooms some people to conclude guilt ahead of evidence?

Is that not a path of sin and deception, which over time desensitizes them to right and wrong, or in other words, to a point where their conscience becomes completely gone?

I'm sorry - I thought we had indeed heard all manner of evidence in this case, have we not? There's certainly no deception of lack of conscience involved in adding that evidence to conclude who we overwhelmingly believe is responsible for this...

Wudge

07-19-2008, 10:40 AM

I'm sorry - I thought we had indeed heard all manner of evidence in this case, have we not? There's certainly no deception of lack of conscience involved in adding that evidence to conclude who we overwhelmingly believe is responsible for this...

Would you please list the sufficient, material, reliable and competent evidence for me?

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 10:41 AM

Exactly. There is some circumstantial "evidence" which is hard to ignore, like the rumors about their relationship, the bleach purchase and her parents publicly accusing him of the crime in their petition for custody, but none are irrefutable, "CSI - Las Vegas" facts.

When I was a teen, I got the "Sheriff Lobo/Roscoe P. Coltrane" treatment from a neighboring town, but I've always considered the Cary PD to be a model of professionalism and beyond reproach. If he did it and if they can find the evidence, I trust that he'll be indicted, but until that time, I don't really know. And, if he didn't do it and if she was the victim of a random act, I honestly can't be as sure.

Hello! He lied in a big way about what he purchased and when he purchased it! Milk and bread at 6am can't be confused with cleaning suppplies at 4am. No reason to tell a lie that transparent unless you are talking faster than you are thinking 'cause you know your wife's body is decomposing down the street, IMO!:bang:

Susan

Wudge

07-19-2008, 10:42 AM

No. That's what we do here. We look at what is known aout the case and speculate on who and why could have done it.

You think the boogey man did it?

Where was the speculation?

belimom

07-19-2008, 10:45 AM

CyberPro

07-19-2008, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=Magister;2395365]
<SNIP>

When I was a teen, I got the "Sheriff Lobo/Roscoe P. Coltrane" treatment from a neighboring town, but I've always considered the Cary PD to be a model of professionalism and beyond reproach.
<SNIP>QUOTE]

Magister,

I have not had many dealings with the Cary PD, I used to know someone who worked with them, and I hae known a detective with them in the past, but I am not sure he is still working for them as I have not heard from him recently.

But for those who are not familiar with the area, I just wanted to relate the kind of area and people who make up the public services here. Some years ago, I lived in a different town in Wake County, and all of the EMS/Rescue services in any area other than the City of Raleigh were all volunteer. I was a member of the Rescue/EMS service in this town where I lived. We had to take training and the initial certification testing for EMT or EMT-I, which was the higest level offered and supported at the time, on our own dime. We WERE volunteers, but expected to be in a "dress uniform" during the days when we were on duty, which included a white shirt with patches and a badge, at night, we had a uniform jumpsuit. Likewise, Cary had all volunteer EMS, and they were sort of laughed at in a way, because in addition to the Dress Uniform, they were required to wear a tie. Now, IIRC, it WAS a clip-on tie. You do NOT want to have something tied around your neck that makes a convenient handle for someone who is combative due to a Hypoglycemic event, or perhaps drunk. They said they were required to wear a tie because there were many prominent businessmen in the area, and they expected that in order to seem professional. Ok, I respect that POV, but personally, if I was injured and needed EMS assistance, I would not care if they showed up wearing clown suits, just so long as they were able to help!

CyberPro

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 10:54 AM

Would you please list the sufficient, material, reliable and competent evidence for me?

That would be too easy, not to mention unfair for all the rest of us who've actually read all the postings. Do your homework, read the posts, and then make an intelligent comment.

Magister

07-19-2008, 10:56 AM

Hello! He lied in a big way about what he purchased and when he purchased it! Milk and bread at 6am can't be confused with cleaning suppplies at 4am. No reason to tell a lie that transparent unless you are talking faster than you are thinking 'cause you know your wife's body is decomposing down the street, IMO!:bang:

Susan

I've seen countless people on this board say that he told the cops about buying bread and milk at 6AM, but I've yet to hear it from any official source and I've never read nor heard it reported by the legitimate media. I realize that this story has been taken as gospel by some, but if you have a footnote, please provide it.

Wudge

07-19-2008, 10:58 AM

That would be too easy, not to mention unfair for all the rest of us who've actually read all the postings. Do your homework, read the posts, and then make an intelligent comment.

The sufficient, reliable, material and competent evidence that supports guilt (of a charge not yet made no less) is what?

Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Anyone?

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 11:02 AM

I've seen countless people on this board say that he told the cops about buying bread and milk at 6AM, but I've yet to hear it from any official source and I've never read nor heard it reported by the legitimate media. I realize that this story has been taken as gospel by some, but if you have a footnote, please provide it.

The story originated in the first phase of posts from an individual who said her son worked at the all-night store and had witnessed the police coming in to view the tapes. The account she gave is that BC told police he had gone at 6am to buy bread and milk, only they couldn't find any evidence of that transaction. When searching both after and before 6am, they found the footage and transaction record around 4am of him buying only one item, some sort of cleaning solution with bleach.

Magister

07-19-2008, 11:13 AM

The story originated in the first phase of posts from an individual who said her son worked at the all-night store and had witnessed the police coming in to view the tapes. The account she gave is that BC told police he had gone at 6am to buy bread and milk, only they couldn't find any evidence of that transaction. When searching both after and before 6am, they found the footage and transaction record around 4am of him buying only one item, some sort of cleaning solution with bleach.

Now, I recall the poster saying that the cops went to the store asking for video of a specific transaction at 4am and though I don't know if it originated with her, but around that time, the story about bread and milk took legs.

As I've said before, I trust that the cleaning supply purchase may have been made around 4am because the poster seemed legitimate and because of the Cheif's reaction, but I really don't know how much stock I put into the bread and milk portion because that's not really a detail that I think the cops would necessarily share.

BTW: I've also theorized in a previous thread that the cops may have asked for the 4AM(ish) snippet because they may have found a reciept or he could've paid with plastic.

TGIRecovered

07-19-2008, 11:14 AM

...
ETA: Thought of something else. Nancy and Brad were married for 8 years. How long does it take for these facades to crumble enough for the wives (or husbands) to recognize the danger signs, do you figure?

I just wish there were some way to predict the probability (not just the possibility) of this happening so people could be aware of the red flags and perhaps some of the potential victims could (and would) save themselves. Of course, a widespread campaign (like the one about not drinking and driving) would have to be launched for this to work.

Speaking from personal experience, if she did know and confided in friends and family, they probably thought she was overreacting, or exaggerating. Remember, men like this dedicate their lives to keeping up the successful good-guy act. Everyone else thinks he is Mr. Wonderful, and he will work hard to keep it that way. They may think he is just driven to succeed, and even admire some of his obsessive traits. Famous last words..."We never thought he was capable of doing this!"...Yeah, he works hard to be sure you think that, too!

In Nancy's case, Brad was a serial aldulterer, and seemed to have no intention of embarking on a journey correct that. Divorce was probably the best course, but she would have been better off if she could have left with the kids before she let him know her plans. Unfortunately, most people would have advised her not to take such drastic measures, since they did not know the real Brad.

JMO
Susan

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 11:15 AM

Now, I recall the poster saying that the cops went to the store asking for video of a specific transaction at 4am and though I don't know if it originated with her, but around that time, the story about bread and milk took legs.

As I've said before, I trust that the cleaning supply purchase may have been made around 4am because the poster seemed legitimate and because of the Cheif's reaction, but I really don't know how much stock I put into the bread and milk portion because that's not really a detail that I think the cops would necessarily share.

BTW: I've also theorized in a previous thread that the cops may have asked for the 4AM(ish) snippet because they may have found a reciept or he could've paid with plastic.

The bread and milk story came from her as well.

Pepper

07-19-2008, 11:15 AM

Where was the speculation?

FACT: Nancy Cooper was murdered
FACT: The body was found at the end of an undeveloped cul-de-sac next to a retaining pond.
FACT: An undeveloped cul-de-sac is not where a runner in training would be jogging.
FACT: Brad Cooper was the last person to have seen her alive (by his own admission)
FACT: Their marriage was "troubled" (admitted by Brad)
FACT: Nancy was planning a separation and divorce (according to family members)
FACT: LE says this is an isolated incident and no reason to fear other joggers/neighbors are in danger.
FACT: In most cases with similar facts as stated above, a close family member is usually the perp.
CONCLUSION: 1 + 1 = 2. It is a safe assumption/speculation to conclude that Brad Cooper had motive, means and opportunity to kill Nancy.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 11:17 AM

Any way you look at it no one buys bleach at 4AM UNLESS they are just coming off a work shift and want to do laundry that day..OR they are desperate to clean up a mess. We know he wasn't coming off a work shift. The only mess that couldn't wait IMHO, as the mother of 4 grown children who made plenty of messes, is the one the BC was trying to cover up.

If this tape exists it would be a problem for any defense team.

Magister

07-19-2008, 11:18 AM

Now, I recall the poster saying that the cops went to the store asking for video of a specific transaction at 4am and though I don't know if it originated with her, but around that time, the story about bread and milk took legs.

Okay, I went back and looked. The "bread and milk" story did originate in the "cleaning supplies" post, but as I read it and those which directly followed, it still sounds like the cops asked for video from a specific time.

Blink34

07-19-2008, 11:18 AM

Could it be that the media sought out this "Heather" because of the rumors to get her to make a statement on air? It is possible.

I was waiting to get all caught up to address this issue, but I see as usual SS is on it- I totally agree that the press put her on cam because they had the rumor already. For some reason I swear when I saw that woman's pic she stuck with me, not sure why, but I remember thinking she looks awfully primped for an impromptu interview-
Just a thought, don't want to jump the gun.

Any locals- can you say if this is the woman swirling in the rumor mill?

NCBanker

07-19-2008, 11:20 AM

FACT: Nancy Cooper was murdered
FACT: The body was found at the end of an undeveloped cul-de-sac next to a retaining pond.
FACT: An undeveloped cul-de-sac is not where a runner in training would be jogging.
FACT: Brad Cooper was the last person to have seen her alive (by his own admission)
FACT: Their marriage was "troubled" (admitted by Brad)
FACT: Nancy was planning a separation and divorce (according to family members)
FACT: LE says this is an isolated incident and no reason to fear other joggers/neighbors are in danger.
FACT: In most cases with similar facts as stated above, a close family member is usually the perp.
CONCLUSION: 1 + 1 = 2. It is a safe assumption/speculation to conclude that Brad Cooper had motive, means and opportunity to kill Nancy.

Elementary, my dear Watson.

Since we're going to engage this poster and play their game, let's add a few more facts...

Fact: Brad is a repeated adulterer
Fact: Brad didn't report his wife missing - it was a friend much later in the day
Fact: Brad is emotionally unstable
Fact: Nancy's family is in possession of more facts in the case than we are, and they've had nothing to do with Brad from the beginning of this tragedy. They know the cause of death, and they know what she was wearing when her body was found. They aren't standing by Brad as the innocent husband. They're doing the exact opposite.

Blink34

07-19-2008, 11:20 AM

Okay, I went back and looked. The "bread and milk" story did originate in the "cleaning supplies" post, but as I read it and those which directly followed, it still sounds like the cops asked for video from a specific time.

I believe Brad told LE he went at 6am. I'm certain LE checked the loop from at least the last known time Nancy was last seen and reported missing.

Magister

07-19-2008, 11:22 AM

Any way you look at it no one buys bleach at 4AM UNLESS they are just coming off a work shift and want to do laundry that day..OR they are desperate to clean up a mess.

...or, if you are out of detergent, you need to do laundry and your wife is going running, first thing in the morning.

The stores around here aren't 24hr, but I work from home and watch the kids. Numerous times, I've ran to the store as soon as they've opened (before my wife has left for the office), where I could get what I need without having to drag the kids.

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 11:23 AM

I was waiting to get all caught up to address this issue, but I see as usual SS is on it- I totally agree that the press put her on cam because they had the rumor already. For some reason I swear when I saw that woman's pic she stuck with me, not sure why, but I remember thinking she looks awfully primped for an impromptu interview-
Just a thought, don't want to jump the gun.

Any locals- can you say if this is the woman swirling in the rumor mill?
Or maybe she just happened to be in the area. :saythat:

curiositycat

07-19-2008, 11:25 AM

...or, if you are out of detergent, you need to do laundry and your wife is going running, first thing in the morning.

The stores around here aren't 24hr, but I work from home and watch the kids. Numerous times, I've ran to the store as soon as they've opened (before my wife has left for the office), where I could get what I need without having to drag the kids.
Well, I would think that the washing could wait until say 9AM or 10AM. From what we have heard about him so far he doesn't sound like he would go out of his way to help his wife. He wasn't even giving her food money and now he is going to go out and help her by doing a wash at 4AM. NOT :blowkiss:

Magister

07-19-2008, 11:28 AM

Well, I would think that the washing could wait until say 9AM or 10AM. From what we have heard about him so far he doesn't sound like he would go out of his way to help his wife. He wasn't even giving her food money and now he is going to go out and help her by doing a wash at 4AM. NOT :blowkiss:

He may have needed to do his own laundry.
If their relationship was in such shambles, why would you assume that she'd wash his clothes?

Wudge

07-19-2008, 11:29 AM