Brad Cooper

[SeriouslySearching]

While Mr. Cooper has not been named a Person Of Interest (POI) or a Suspect in the disappearance and murder of his wife, Nancy, we are gaining a better understanding of him, his past, and his personality. Any insights to the person who last saw Nancy alive are expected and should be investigated.

Please post any links and discussion directly related to Brad Cooper here.

[fran]

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=6a5e4c5b-39dc-4f22-bfd6-60f061d9a94e

Brad Cooper was also born and raised in Alberta. The two met in Calgary and moved to North Carolina eight years ago when Brad got a job offer with Cisco Systems.

[fran]

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6273829

.......Brad is also an athlete, having competed in triathlons and even Ironman competitions. All of that information is according to his personal blog.....

.......His Web page is titled Adventures of Brad. It features a countdown clock until the next Ironman competition and a schedule of upcoming races. Links highlight a workout plan and goals.

Pictures show Brad competing in different races and traveling to Europe..........

His next goal is an Ironman competition in Lake Placid, New York. It takes place this Tuesday, the day before his wife's funeral.

Brad is originally from the small town of Medicine Hat in the province of Alberta, Canada -- about 160 miles outside of Calgary.

His father is the vice president of Medicine Hat College.

For the past 8 years Brad has worked for Cisco Systems in RTP, which is why he and Nancy moved to the U.S. According to his blog, Brad earned his MBA degree from N.C. State last December.

[fran]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,385742,00.html

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if her husband is a Canadian or an American? Do you know where they met?

STEWART: Well, her husband is a Canadian. He's originally from Medicine Hat, Alberta. It's a city of about 60,000 in southern Alberta. Now, they both met in Calgary a number of years ago. After she graduated from high school, they were both working at IBM. And it was around that time, shortly after that, that he was offered a job in Cary, in North Carolina. And so he did transfer there and she moved there, and they started their family there.

[nursebeeme]

As soon as I find the exact posts (cannot even remember the user names and if anyone else can help out with that please let me know), I will edit them into this..

1) ex girlfriend poster stated that Brad was given ever oportunity by his family and she also is not surprised this happened and believes that he did this. She asked him if he was reading here on his laptop and she asked him why. She described him as very intelligent and very private. She was surprised that Nancy didn't see his controling side before she had kids with him. she also went to high school with brad thank you jilly...she has located this post......here it is:
I find this extremely difficult. I feel so much grief for those two little girls whose world has been absolutely ripped apart. This is not something that will pass. This is something that will be with them their entire life. I feel for NC's family..what a horrible thing to have to endure. At the same time, I feel for BC's family. No one raises a child to become a murderer (if indeed he did this). BC's family has lost a daughter-in-law, are watching what's happening to their son and who knows how much access they are getting with their grandchildren. These people are grieving too. They are trying to hope beyond hope and believe in their son that he was not responsible for this. They, however, must realize that this does not look good for him.

I think the parents can not be blamed for his mental instability, I truly believe he has a chemical imbalance which in absolutely NO WAY does it excuse what's happened. I don't believe it to even be any sort of defense. There are tons of ways to work through chemical imbalances and personality issues. It is never a defense for murder, IMO.

Now before someone jumps on me for defending him or his family, I have a right to be so torn. I am one of those "ex's" from Canada. BC is from a good family. They gave him so many opportunities that others never had. The Calgary poster is right though. As a person, Brad can be materialistic, self-centered, narcisistic (sp?), moody, mean, emotionally controlling and the like. He can also be a good person, we all have good in us. Nancy must have seen more of his good side at the beginning to have wanted to have children with him and probably tried so hard (as all of his previous relationships did) to work through the bad.

I feel horrible for what NC had to endure and the outcome (at whoever's hands). This is such an awful situation. My head KNOWS how this is going to turn out, my heart wishes it would be different. I wish it was going to be a different outcome because I have shared part of my life, my family....with BC and can't believe that someone that I had put my trust in could ever be involved in such a horrible act. I don't feel sorry for BC because he put himself in this situation. I feel sorry for NC, those poor children and both families.

He is an intensely private person. He is also an extremely smart person which surprises me all the more that he would do something so stupid. I don't think that it was pre-meditated. I think there was an argument that got out of control, one thing led to another and she was gone and he panicked. Which is why everything is unravelling for him. If this was premeditated, he is smart...he would have covered everything to the last meticulous detail.

I think he's guilty. I'll say it clear. But I do feel for his family as well.

And Brad, if you're reading this, because lord knows if you're not in jail, you'll have that laptop all wired up, how could you?



2)we had a friend of BC (?) post from canada...he worked with him. He said it was strange that brad had no friends from highschool and that he did not keep relationships with people. The way he posted...it was Brad was a loner and very private, serious person who did not make friends easily or keep them thanks again jilly!!!!!: Yesterday, 04:22 PM
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Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.

[panthera]

Brad Cooper's attorney says he is innocent

(video news report)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3234849/

(news story)

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3233693/

[nursebeeme]

brought forward from another thread...also on Brad from his friend in calgary
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Let me add one thing before I stop posting for the night:

If he did it, I would expect the motive to be based on money. I would not expect that he was afraid of losing his wife to another man as much as he would not want to face the economic consequences.

[nursebeeme]

brought forward..........
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Speaking of the former girlfriends or women he dated, do you recall any of them saying he was controlling or jealous? Did he cheat on them? This would strike me to be par for the course with him.

Was he a perfectionist?

I think it is very interesting what you said about this:

I can't recall anything about jealousy. In terms of controlling, that may fit but more in a passive-aggressive way. His style was not direct confrontation. He would never tell someone he didn't approve of something, but instead would have a tendency to withdraw, pout, or get back indirectly, but do it such that you'd know he was doing it with a purpose.

Perfectionist? Sure, that would describe him very well. He was into fitness at the time, but not marathons or ironmen competitions... I think it speaks for itself that he progressed to that level.

I'm going to get the goods that will bring old memories back over the next few days when I talk to people who were more heavily involved with him than me, and if there's something very telling and which isn't private, I'll share it. I don't want to expose people who don't want their stories told. Sometimes you can tell a story and those close to the group will know exactly who you are talking about... and its not my place to share secrets. I have nothing to hide from Brad, and I'll tell my stories, but I won't tell someone else's unless its appropriate to do so. You can all judge that hearsay for yourselves.

And lets remember, he might be a victim here. Time will tell.


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[nursebeeme]

brought forward on bc
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I'm a long-time lurker here, ever since the Scott Peterson days. I was fascinated with that case, because I couldn't understand how someone could do something so horrific to their own pregnant wife. I actually thought he didn't do it, and didn't change my mind until during or after the trial.

If I say anything I'm not supposed to here, my apologies. Let me also add that I'm no expert, am only giving my personal opinion, and that I could be flat wrong in every opinion I'm about to give.

Now this is a little crazy and too close to home, because I used to share a place with Brad Cooper. So I thought I'd log in and share my knowledge with a board that has given me a lot of knowledge over the years.

Its pretty amazing how well some of the posters have pegged his personality based on his online websites. In my opinion, he is the most narcissistic person I have ever known. He is also very driven, and has a high level of self confidence.

It is hard to explain, but he can be very social but also very withdrawn. He avoids outward conflict and will let his thoughts stew for a long time before you even would know he had an issue with something-- something I learned being his roommate. He would often be very quiet but in his early 20's had a hard-partying edge that would come out once and a while, where suddenly he was the life of the party.

He's always liked cars... I laughed when I heard he had 2 BMW's on the driveway, that sounds just like him. He wouldn't buy something unless it had a certain appeal factor. He wants to be the picture of success, to his peers and to women.

He's often a very nice guy, but I always had a deep mistrust of him. He was not someone who I would say would "do anything for a friend", whereas most people I know and hang out with are like that.

If one assumes that he did it (and I won't profess to know because the media also aren't to be trusted in my experience) it would be very much like him to want to seem cooperative etc., and do things like agreeing to attend a press conference, and then withdrawing at the last minute. He would be too afraid to have the confrontation of telling someone up front he wasn't going to attend-- he would rather lie about attending, and then just not show up, thereby avoiding the 'confrontation', at least in the short term.

I know two of his ex-girlfriends fairly well... they had much more of an insight into his dark side and each of them had shared some of that with some of his friends post-breakup. Its been so long now that I can't really remember what they had told me, and since he's not someone who has any impact or influence on my life, I had forgotten about him entirely.

Anyway, I think its quite possible he did it. This is not a situation where its someone who you think could never do such a thing. I've spoken to people who knew him better than I did this evening (everyone was phoning everyone, this is huge news), and his closest/oldest friends seem to be surprised, but also won't say "he would never do that". Others think he is absolutely capable of it.

If he didn't do it, I really feel sorry for him. Regardless, its her family who we should be concerned about. Those two girls have been deprived of their mother, and her parents and siblings deprived of a daughter and sister.

[Magister]

I may be too much of a stickler for semantics, but technically and as I pointed out earlier today, the killer was most likely the last person to see Nancy alive. Brad is the last known person and there's a slight chance that someone could've seen her after the attack, but by definition, whomever killed her would've been the last person to see her alive.

[nursebeeme]

Hi Mag,
I am just cutting and pasting related posts to help organize... I hear what you are saying tho and completely agree

[Magister]

nursebeeme,
I fully understand. My point was actually directed toward SS' intro, but like I say, I'm really just being a stickler for semantics.

[jilly]

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I find this tid bit to be interesting. He just finished his MBA:

MBA Completed!!!!
Written by Brad
Wednesday, 19 December 2007
After 2 1/2 years without a semester break I finally completed my MBA from NCSU. On Dec 19 I crossed the podium and accepted my MBA in Innovation Managment. Some classes took as little as 5 hours a week addtional time outside the classroom - others took as much as 15-20 additional hours. Now that the holidays are over I am finally able to spend some more time with the family and tackle some of the projects that were sidelined due to lack of time.

I kicked around the idea of a doctorate but quickly came ot my senses and figured I needed some downtime before even considering a significant undertaking.

Also: Finally Back Training Again......
Written by Brad
Thursday, 10 January 2008
After almost 5 months of not training... I'm Back!!! Between work, MBA and holidays my training was put on hold until now. Now that my MBA is complete and the holidays are over, its definitely time to start training for Ironman Lake Placid in July 2008.

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/i...4&limitstart=0

[jilly]

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He went to France in March of last year and doesn't mention her going with him:

MBA: BUS 590 Trip to France
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
I had a chance to attend a study abroad class in France over spring break. I had no idea how much I was going to enjoy France. I have been over much of Europe in the past but I completely loved the French culture, food and architecture.

March 1 - 4: Paris, France A few students arrived early and spent a weekend in Paris. We hit the typical tourist sites:

Eiffel Tower
I climbed the tower during the day to the 2nd level which took about 13 minutes. However it was definately a better site to see the tower in the evening lite up. A few us enjoyed the last night in Paris eating crepes and enjoying the view.
Notre Dame
Panthéon
Arc de Triomphe
Musée du Louvre (Louvre Museum)
Musée d'Orsay

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/i...&limitstart=12

[nursebeeme]

bumped from thread one...interesting he tries to get the msm focused on lakes and water searches...even tho that is where she usually ran......
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oh shoot... they have been with him and with other family...

from the same link above:

The couple's two daughters, ages 2 and 4, have been staying with their father and family – Cooper's parents and identical sister, according to Boone.

When approached by an ABC News affiliate WTVD (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index)at his home Monday, Brad Cooper said that he had been searching "by the lake" for his wife. He declined to be interviewed on camera and ABCNews.com was unable to contact him.

[jilly]

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Oh, it is him alright:

CCIE Voice Update - August 2, 2005
Written by Brad
Monday, 12 March 2007
On August 2, 2004 I completed my Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE) Voice certification becoming the 65th person globally to obtain this level of expertise. CCIE #13747.

As of March 2007, almost 3 years later the number of Voice CCIEs globally was still only 411.

World Wide CCIE Stats:
http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le...worldwide.html

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/i...&limitstart=12

[nursebeeme]

our very own busylady found this link on bc:

http://www.athlinks.com/racer/18014460/Brad-Cooper.aspx

[Pepper]

bumped from thread one...interesting he tries to get the msm focused on lakes and water searches...even tho that is where she usually ran......
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oh shoot... they have been with him and with other family...

from the same link above:

The couple's two daughters, ages 2 and 4, have been staying with their father and family – Cooper's parents and identical sister, according to Boone.

When approached by an ABC News affiliate WTVD (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index)at his home Monday, Brad Cooper said that he had been searching "by the lake" for his wife. He declined to be interviewed on camera and ABCNews.com was unable to contact him.

That bolded part doesn't make sense to me. The "identical" sister is Nancy's twin Krista. And I don't believe BC's family was in Cary. I'm sure they mean Nancy's family.

[angiej]

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Apache/2.2.9 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.7a mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 Server at www.adventuresofbrad.com Port 80

Seems we've exceded his bandwidth. If his web hosting is anything like most it's gotta be costing him a fortune to have all this traffic hitting his homepage.

--edit--

I looked at his whois registration (I won't post that here) and he's being hosted with Netprohosting. Their marketing speall says they don't charge for going over your bandwidth limit. I guess that's good news for him.

[nursebeeme]

and this is respectively snipped from our IT guy, cyberpro:
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I do have a couple of observations from my POV, being an IT professional.

1. There has been some mention of possible financial issues as being a cause of the marital stress. IMO, I doubt it! While no one outside the family is likely to know for sure, Brad is a CCIE and an MBA. For those who do not know what a CCIE is, it is a Cisco Certified Internetworking Expert. This is a VERY difficult to get certification, and requires a great deal of understanding and demonstrated expertise at how to configure Cisco products. This has to be proven in a hands on lab, you have to build the network to the specifications provided, and then you leave overnight. When you return, they have made changes to the network and broken it, and you have to find out what is wrong and correct it. While you are doing this, you are under observation by the proctor, and you are graded not only on your successful correction of the problems, but how well you used the tools and resources that you had available. This is subjective, but suffice it to say that I know some serious network folks, and they have taken the test a couple of times, but have yet to pass it. If you have a CCIE, you can EASILY make over 100k/year, even if you are dumb. I have heard of some contractor CCIE's who can make over 500k/year for taking an overseas assignment. If they were having financial issues, they were probably burning through some serious cash, and that is without even adding the MBA on top of it all.

2. You can never know for sure, but there was some mention of finding out what he researched on his computer. - This is always a possibility, and it is possible that he is using a computer similar to a Windows Vista system that was mentioned in one of his Blogs, but he could also be using a Linux system, and know how to cover his tracks pretty well, if he was thinking ahead that much. This is not to say that no data will be recovered, but it might not be as easy as it is in some cases. It is possible, but not likely, that he might know a lot about networks without understanding computers all that well, but again, not likely. FWIW, Cary PD recently started a Computer Crimes division, and have dedicated resources to delve into this issue.

[nursebeeme]

tarheel picked up on this and posted:

"
Kurtz and Bloom is representing Brad (WTVD)"
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ETA~
http://www.kurtzandblum.com/

[nursebeeme]

interesting first~hand observation of BC by momto3kids:
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I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.

[nursebeeme]

bump! once again our own raisincharlie is on it!:

From this blog entry - it appears he was planning on making the Lake Placid event:

http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/i...d=32&Itemid=53 (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=32&Itemid=53)

[nursebeeme]

bump~ swimom said this ~bump
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(snipped) Many IT specialists work from home or work out in the field. How could he possibly have even been awake at 4 in the morning after a day like that?

I have heard speculation that it was blunt trama to the head...seems to tie back in with the shovel someone mentioned earlier that he provided the searchers. Could a close friend have driven her out of town parents to the coroners office?

[Dryad]

I'm new to this case. I noticed his photo album on his website. Are there pictures of Nancy on there? There are alot of people on that trip to France. Was she in any of the photos? I find it odd that he had no family photos posted.

[nursebeeme]

bumped from petra:


Disappointment - No attempt at Ironman Louisville 2007 http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/t...pdf_button.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=48) http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/t...rintButton.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=42) http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/t...mailButton.png (http://adventuresofbrad.com/joomla/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=48) Written by Brad Sunday, 26 August 2007 After a more time consuming MBA course load over the summer, I decided not to attempt Ironman Louisville. It was my first IM race that I signed up for and did not complete. It's not something that I am planning to every repeat. Bound for higher expectations at Ironman Lake Placid 2008.

[nursebeeme]

tridavis said this:


"let's see Columbo says look at they way the shoes are tied, if it is backwards, someone else did the tying. Blood work up....if she was out jogging her lactic acid levels would be elevated as well as endorphines (which is really why we all run anyway). If this is the case, he is screwed!! Surely being an athlete himself he should have known these things. He does have a masters degree.

[nursebeeme]

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Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.
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[carolinalady]

I was looking at the Adventures of Brad website and is it correct that he hasn't updated it since January? Or is it just that he hasn't added another blog or training entry?

[nursebeeme]

bump my own post lol:

Quote:
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From reading his website posts it is apparent he was very disappointed that he wasn't able to compete in the previous year's race. However, I don't see that he updated his training log or blog posts since Jan 08. Am I missing it somewhere?

Clady,
Very interesting... and it fits with other known events..
~in winter 08 he threatened suicided
~Jan 08 he graduated with his MBA

http://www.ironmanusa.com/
my hubby is an ironman triathlete... he tells me that if bc is registered for a race it will show up on the site. I just checked and bc is NOT REGISTERED FOR IRONMAN USA (lake placid) interesting..

and sadly noted when searching just "cooper" there is a nancy cooper registered...but it is not our nancy...she is in the 45-49 age group...
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This bee my opinion:bee:

[nursebeeme]

I also searched the following ironman races and there is not a brad cooper registered: ironman cord'alene, ironman canada, ironman california 70.3.. which is a half ironman, and ironmans florida, wisconsin, and arizona

[angiej]

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. [B]Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?


I never heard the woman was a best friend, I only heard it was a former friend. I doubt any of her close friends (the ones that organized the search and the ones that have been doing interviews on tv talk shows like the today show) would have been THAT friend. I have the feeling nancy would have distanced herself from the woman who was having the affair with her husband.

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http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/statusicon/post_old.gif 07-16-2008, 09:53 PM
Had an interesting chat with the local neighbors this evening. A few thoughts to throw out...food for thought.

Brad seems to be quite arrogant. Is it possible she came home from the party and found him home with someone?

Some rumors state he was having an affair with her best friend. Her best friend's husband was heading up the search. Did anyone find it interesting HE was heading up the search and not Brad?

IF he did this could his fear have been that she was going to take the girls back to Canada where her family is and he would have never seen them again? Could that have been his motive? It seems he didn't like to loose.
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bump from buta

Whatever happened either at that party, or when she got home was the "straw that broke the camels back" on that relationship. In some way it was about the "other" woman. I think any woman here can imagine several ways it could have played out. One of them is the one you mention. IF she came home early and the other woman was there all **** may have broken lose. This could also explain how Brad left for the store @ 4am without the children. MAYBE the other woman was there watching them. I change my theory from moment to moment..but this is one of them.

[panthera]

Whatever happened either at that party, or when she got home was the "straw that broke the camels back" on that relationship. In some way it was about the "other" woman. I think any woman here can imagine several ways it could have played out. One of them is the one you mention. IF she came home early and the other woman was there all **** may have broken lose. This could also explain how Brad left for the store @ 4am without the children. MAYBE the other woman was there watching them. I change my theory from moment to moment..but this is one of them.
I hadn't thought of someone else being at the house Friday night but that sure would explain a lot of possible scenarios. It's also eerily similar to what I think happened with Maria Lauterbach, only in this case it was the wife who was killed.

[SeriouslySearching]

Whatever happened either at that party, or when she got home was the "straw that broke the camels back" on that relationship. In some way it was about the "other" woman. I think any woman here can imagine several ways it could have played out. One of them is the one you mention. IF she came home early and the other woman was there all **** may have broken lose. This could also explain how Brad left for the store @ 4am without the children. MAYBE the other woman was there watching them. I change my theory from moment to moment..but this is one of them.Since it is possible the party was directly across the street from Nancy's house, it is very unlikely that the mistress would be there. However, it doesn't mean that she wasn't there when whatever happened to Nancy occurred. If indeed LE is looking at other people in this case...it is possible she helped with the cover up or stayed with the children while he did other things away from the house during the night.

[SeriouslySearching]

I never heard the woman was a best friend, I only heard it was a former friend. I doubt any of her close friends (the ones that organized the search and the ones that have been doing interviews on tv talk shows like the today show) would have been THAT friend. I have the feeling nancy would have distanced herself from the woman who was having the affair with her husband.I absolutely agree.

[RKAB]

Just me again...I see that a couple of people have asked why BC and I broke up. He was not cheating on me (that I knew of) but who knows?? To be honest, I truly could not deal with the emotional rollercoaster of being with him...the ups, the downs, the pouting, the sulking, the threats, the belittling...ask him what's wrong and get a snarky "nothing", have him pout for a week and then he suddenly erupts with a month's worth of things. The comments and the belittling ("you know you can never do better than me", "you know this is the best relationship you've ever been in", "you know you could never get someone who can afford the life you want like I can", "no one will ever love you like I do", "you'll never leave me, you know how good you have it with me", "you look like sh*t in that", "that makes you look fat", "no one will ever look at you in that", etc.). It took a huge toll on me personally, my self esteem, my being.

I am not a materialistic person. He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all. I don't care about material items, I want my friends and my family and laughs and that was so far from his mind. Me me me.....it became unbearable.

There were other issues as well but these were some of the issues and I just couldn't take it. For a time, I couldn't leave it either because I had come to believe that he was right. Here was an attractive man telling me these things. Maybe I couldn't do better, maybe this was it. Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)

[SleuthyGal]

RKAB, well based on what you went through, I'm VERY HAPPY that you reached escape velocity from that dysfunctional relationship with BC. NO ONE should ever be treated like that (or put up with that or feel they need to). IMHO it's much better to be alone than in a rel'p in which you are not being treated with respect, cherished, and appreciated.

It's too bad Nancy was not able to escape in time. Sounds like she could have had a great life ahead of her.

I hope your story will serve to help other women who might be in similar situations with partners/spouses/BFs who treat them with less respect than they know they deserve.

Thank you for sharing with us here.

[maconrich]

RKAB - having been with a creature like that myself I totally hear what you're saying, and I'm so very, very happy that you were able to walk away from the situation and relationship!!! No one deserves to be treated like that; and it's so sad to realize just how terrible things had to have been for Nancy...

[fran]

RKAB:

Thank you for posting here and for your very enlightening look into the psych of Brad.

I'm glad that you were able to escape the situation before anything happened to you. I know people personally who weren't quite so lucky. Well, they didn't realize the person was dangerous until they were much further into the relationship, ie married. It's too bad Nancy didn't find out sooner. She may never have seen this coming. They quite often don't.

I'm sure this situation has completely blown you away because of your history with some of those involved. I hope you're able to talk to someone who will help you to deal with this. These kind of crimes leave a title-wave of victims.

I'll remember you when I look through this case and pray you're able to find personal peace.

Best of luck,
JMHO
fran

[curiositycat]

Just me again...I see that a couple of people have asked why BC and I broke up. He was not cheating on me (that I knew of) but who knows?? To be honest, I truly could not deal with the emotional rollercoaster of being with him...the ups, the downs, the pouting, the sulking, the threats, the belittling...ask him what's wrong and get a snarky "nothing", have him pout for a week and then he suddenly erupts with a month's worth of things. The comments and the belittling ("you know you can never do better than me", "you know this is the best relationship you've ever been in", "you know you could never get someone who can afford the life you want like I can", "no one will ever love you like I do", "you'll never leave me, you know how good you have it with me", "you look like sh*t in that", "that makes you look fat", "no one will ever look at you in that", etc.). It took a huge toll on me personally, my self esteem, my being.

I am not a materialistic person. He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all. I don't care about material items, I want my friends and my family and laughs and that was so far from his mind. Me me me.....it became unbearable.

There were other issues as well but these were some of the issues and I just couldn't take it. For a time, I couldn't leave it either because I had come to believe that he was right. Here was an attractive man telling me these things. Maybe I couldn't do better, maybe this was it. Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)
What a clear picture of a classic abuser. So low on self-esteem that he tears others down to build himself up.
Thank you for sharing this. It's a real eye-opener. As someone who was abused and has counseled and helped abused women I sometimes think that verbal abuse is much more toxic then "physical." As you said so well those hurtful things can stay in your head for a long, long time.

[SeriouslySearching]

nursebeeme,
I fully understand. My point was actually directed toward SS' intro, but like I say, I'm really just being a stickler for semantics.I agree and point taken, Magister. I would change the intro if I could, but it is too late now. I will choose my words more carefully in the future. Thanks for the reminder.

[kel]

Just me again...I see that a couple of people have asked why BC and I broke up. He was not cheating on me (that I knew of) but who knows?? To be honest, I truly could not deal with the emotional rollercoaster of being with him...the ups, the downs, the pouting, the sulking, the threats, the belittling...ask him what's wrong and get a snarky "nothing", have him pout for a week and then he suddenly erupts with a month's worth of things. The comments and the belittling ("you know you can never do better than me", "you know this is the best relationship you've ever been in", "you know you could never get someone who can afford the life you want like I can", "no one will ever love you like I do", "you'll never leave me, you know how good you have it with me", "you look like sh*t in that", "that makes you look fat", "no one will ever look at you in that", etc.). It took a huge toll on me personally, my self esteem, my being.

I am not a materialistic person. He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all. I don't care about material items, I want my friends and my family and laughs and that was so far from his mind. Me me me.....it became unbearable.

There were other issues as well but these were some of the issues and I just couldn't take it. For a time, I couldn't leave it either because I had come to believe that he was right. Here was an attractive man telling me these things. Maybe I couldn't do better, maybe this was it. Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)
RKAB, I'm so glad you got out of that situation...I myself was in a similar one, and I know how it can wear you down. Poor Nancy, probably felt stuck, with 2 children and all. That's verbal abuse, messing with your mind, and no one deserves that. Hopefully this story will help others in the same situation.

Not too much information, thanks for sharing!!
K

[mahmoo]

Too much information, I'm sure. :)

Nah......not too much info at all :D me likey!!! Awesome post...I wasn't sure where to snip it at LOL. Your post about BC aids in bringing an even clearer picture of him into focus.

I'm glad you had your family and friends to guide you and I'm very, very, very glad you got out of the relationship with him.

[Just the Fax]

Just me again...I see that a couple of people have asked why BC and I broke up. He was not cheating on me (that I knew of) but who knows?? To be honest, I truly could not deal with the emotional rollercoaster of being with him...the ups, the downs, the pouting, the sulking, the threats, the belittling...ask him what's wrong and get a snarky "nothing", have him pout for a week and then he suddenly erupts with a month's worth of things. The comments and the belittling ("you know you can never do better than me", "you know this is the best relationship you've ever been in", "you know you could never get someone who can afford the life you want like I can", "no one will ever love you like I do", "you'll never leave me, you know how good you have it with me", "you look like sh*t in that", "that makes you look fat", "no one will ever look at you in that", etc.). It took a huge toll on me personally, my self esteem, my being.

I am not a materialistic person. He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all. I don't care about material items, I want my friends and my family and laughs and that was so far from his mind. Me me me.....it became unbearable.

There were other issues as well but these were some of the issues and I just couldn't take it. For a time, I couldn't leave it either because I had come to believe that he was right. Here was an attractive man telling me these things. Maybe I couldn't do better, maybe this was it. Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)

Based on your post, Brad's self serving blogs and the court documents in the custody case, Brad is a text book narcissist


§ Believing that you're better than others
§ Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
§ Exaggerating your achievements or talents
§ Expecting constant praise and admiration
§ Believing that you're special
§ Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
§ Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
§ Taking advantage of others
§ Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
§ Being jealous of others
§ Believing that others are jealous of you
§ Trouble keeping healthy relationships
§ Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

[angelmom]

Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)

So glad you got out. I only wish Nancy could have made it as well - looks like she was close. And that may have been what happened at the party. You know, you bitch about your husband and your friends say, "Well I would never..." or "I would tell him..." and by the time you get home you are all ramped up.

I can imagine her friends encouraging her and giving her suggestions. She might have come home from that party ready to have it out once and for all. And that was all it took for him to decide that he couldn't allow her to leave.

That's my theory anyway. After almost marrying one a lot like him, I shudder to think of how it played out.

[Just the Fax]

"He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all." Posted by RKAB

This sounds a lot like Neil Entwistle and Jason Young.
Its all about 'look at me, my house and cars'

[Bob&Bob]

"Nancy and I wore full body costumes of Winnie the
Pooh characters for Halloween and Easter. I was Eeyore.
I even took the girls paddleboating while wearing the
costume at Easter. They loved it."

#26 Bradley Cooper affadavit

[Crazy Canuck]

After reading Brads affidavits I found myself wanting to believe him at first and for a fleeting moment I felt sorry for him. It seems he is alone in the world and Nancy's family and friends have ganged up on him. The pain of having someone take your children from you must be unbearable... however...:rolleyes:

My bulls**t detector is pretty accurate and well trained. I am very good at spotting it. My husband will come home and tell a story some guy told him at work and I know right away its bull but he doesn't see it. I've known a lot of bulls**tters in my life. The fact that brad has a self-serving excuse for every thing that has been said is a clue. He doesn't admit any wrongdoing just makes excuses or flat out denies it. As well, he has the details down too good. Not many people will remember exactly what time they went somewhere and what time someone called them. Someone who has an answer for everything is highly suspect to me.

[carolinalady]

After reading Brads affidavits I found myself wanting to believe him at first and for a fleeting moment I felt sorry for him. It seems he is alone in the world and Nancy's family and friends have ganged up on him. The pain of having someone take your children from you must be unbearable... however...:rolleyes:

My bulls**t detector is pretty accurate and well trained. I am very good at spotting it. My husband will come home and tell a story some guy told him at work and I know right away its bull but he doesn't see it. I've known a lot of bulls**tters in my life. The fact that brad has a self-serving excuse for every thing that has been said is a clue. He doesn't admit any wrongdoing just makes excuses or flat out denies it. As well, he has the details down too good. Not many people will remember exactly what time they went somewhere and what time someone called them. Someone who has an answer for everything is highly suspect to me.

I would think that his cell phone has a log of incoming calls. I'm sure when the police originally came to him about Jessica Adam's 911 call they probably asked when the last time he talked to/saw Nancy.

Also who knows, maybe the computer gurus have already looked at his computer and released it back to him (if it was even seized). He could check his email dates on that.

I haven't made up my mind one way or another about the case. Most of the info in her friends' affidavits are recounting info that Nancy told them instead of directly witnessing stuff. Sometimes her friends' accounts conflict with each other. And in his affidavit and rebuttal there seems to be plenty of verifiable information in there. Whether he's lying about stuff or telling the truth, I have no doubt that the cops will figure it out.

[panthera]

After reading Brads affidavits I found myself wanting to believe him at first and for a fleeting moment I felt sorry for him. It seems he is alone in the world and Nancy's family and friends have ganged up on him. The pain of having someone take your children from you must be unbearable... however...:rolleyes:

My bulls**t detector is pretty accurate and well trained. I am very good at spotting it. My husband will come home and tell a story some guy told him at work and I know right away its bull but he doesn't see it. I've known a lot of bulls**tters in my life. The fact that brad has a self-serving excuse for every thing that has been said is a clue. He doesn't admit any wrongdoing just makes excuses or flat out denies it. As well, he has the details down too good. Not many people will remember exactly what time they went somewhere and what time someone called them. Someone who has an answer for everything is highly suspect to me.
I agree with you. It was a Saturday morning, his day off work, and he seems to have everything down to a minute detail. He's also supposed to have had a tennis game at 9:30am but didn't seem to mind having to cancel it at the last minute because Nancy didn't come home ~ yet ~ he wasn't worried about her either. Most men would be absolutely livid to have their "fun" cancelled because they had to stay home to take care of the kids. I wonder who this tennis partner is and what he's said about that day, if Brad had ever had to cancel before, and what his reaction was if he did?

[JDB]

Based on your post, Brad's self serving blogs and the court documents in the custody case, Brad is a text book narcissist


§ Believing that you're better than others
§ Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
§ Exaggerating your achievements or talents
§ Expecting constant praise and admiration
§ Believing that you're special
§ Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
§ Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
§ Taking advantage of others
§ Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
§ Being jealous of others
§ Believing that others are jealous of you
§ Trouble keeping healthy relationships
§ Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Anybody else see that alot of the Affadate was started with I

[carolinalady]

I agree with you. It was a Saturday morning, his day off work, and he seems to have everything down to a minute detail. He's also supposed to have had a tennis game at 9:30am but didn't seem to mind having to cancel it at the last minute because Nancy didn't come home ~ yet ~ he wasn't worried about her either. Most men would be absolutely livid to have their "fun" cancelled because they had to stay home to take care of the kids. I wonder who this tennis partner is and what he's said about that day, if Brad had ever had to cancel before, and what his reaction was if he did?

I don't think most men would be LIVID to have to cancel plans and take care of their kids. Disappointed and upset that their plans had to be canceled, yes, but livid, no. I think that's too broad of a statement.

[panthera]

Anybody else see that alot of the Affadate was started with I
Yes!!! Practically every line! :eek:

[panthera]

I don't think most men would be LIVID to have to cancel plans and take care of their kids. Disappointed and upset that their plans had to be canceled, yes, but livid, no. I think that's too broad of a statement.
Can we agree on "angry"? :crazy:

[Crazy Canuck]

Yes, I'm curious about this tennis partner. I guess he must exist. Obviously Brad wasn't aware that nancy was going to painting that day unless she was planning to take the kids with her.

I'm very curious why there is no affidavit from Carrie. Even though it has nothing to do with custody, allegations were made in the custody affidavits that Brad murdered Nancy. If Carrie had come forward to state that yes indeed she did go jogging with nancy that would be huge for brad OR if she said they never had any plans it would suggest that either Brad lied or nancy lied which I guess gets us nowhere really since nancy is dead...however if this were the case and nancy lied because she had l"eaving business" to take care of I'm guessing Jessica was probably aware of it and would have said so by now.

The whole Carrie business is a mystery - I'm guessing Brad will dismiss it by saying he may have misundertood and thought nancy was going with her when she wasn't. Also what was the business about carrie standing nancy up the morning before? what was the relevance of that in the affidavit? Also, I found it strange that Brad knew where Carrie lived, knew her car but didnt know her last name or her phone number - how convenient.

[raisincharlie]

I agree with you. It was a Saturday morning, his day off work, and he seems to have everything down to a minute detail. He's also supposed to have had a tennis game at 9:30am but didn't seem to mind having to cancel it at the last minute because Nancy didn't come home ~ yet ~ he wasn't worried about her either. Most men would be absolutely livid to have their "fun" cancelled because they had to stay home to take care of the kids. I wonder who this tennis partner is and what he's said about that day, if Brad had ever had to cancel before, and what his reaction was if he did?

At least it wasn't golf, or fishing....:crazy:

[carolinalady]

Anybody else see that alot of the Affadate was started with I

Well, shouldn't it? He is stating his own case for him being a fit father.

Honestly, I don't have experience reading affidavits in custody cases. For those that do, when a custody case is contentious, how do most affidavits look when both parents are trying to prove that they are fit parents? Are there lots of "I" statements on both sides? I am genuinely curious.

Unfortunately, we'll never see Nancy's "I" statements.

[carolinalady]

Can we agree on "angry"? :crazy:

Agreed.

[panthera]

At least it wasn't golf, or fishing....:crazy:
Ain't that the truth!!! :floorlaugh:

[panthera]

Agreed.
thank you :D

[carolinalady]

Yes, I'm curious about this tennis partner. I guess he must exist. Obviously Brad wasn't aware that nancy was going to painting that day unless she was planning to take the kids with her.

I'm very curious why there is no affidavit from Carrie. Even though it has nothing to do with custody, allegations were made in the custody affidavits that Brad murdered Nancy. If Carrie had come forward to state that yes indeed she did go jogging with nancy that would be huge for brad OR if she said they never had any plans it would suggest that either Brad lied or nancy lied which I guess gets us nowhere really since nancy is dead...however if this were the case and nancy lied because she had l"eaving business" to take care of I'm guessing Jessica was probably aware of it and would have said so by now.

The whole Carrie business is a mystery - I'm guessing Brad will dismiss it by saying he may have misundertood and thought nancy was going with her when she wasn't. Also what was the business about carrie standing nancy up the morning before? what was the relevance of that in the affidavit? Also, I found it strange that Brad knew where Carrie lived, knew her car but didnt know her last name or her phone number - how convenient.

I don't think BC knew her exact address, but did know the apartment/townhouse complex where she lived. I'm sure he would know her car if he'd seen her pick up Nancy before.

I know my husband doesn't know all of my friends' last names and certainly doesn't know their phone numbers, so I don't find that part odd (especially when it comes to an exercise buddy rather than a social buddy).

I, too, am curious as to her side of the running story.

[LillyRush]

I had to go back and read Jessica Adam's statements again. What is wierd to me is that she says that she, Nancy and Carrie - who's last name she mentions as being Clarke - ran together regularly and she didn't believe Nancy and Carrie would have gone running without telling her.

Yet, when Brad calls her a 2nd time to ask for Carrie's phone # she apparently doesn't have it and offers to go over to the house to watch the girls while Brad goes out (driving around?) trying to find Carrie. How is it that she knows Carrie well enough to share daily habits and knows her last name, but she couldn't just give him Carrie's phone #?

There's something odd because this is the 2nd thing about Jessica's statements that seemed off. The other thing was that she made Clea and Mike Morwick out to be someone Nancy felt uncomfortable around, yet they are the people that Nancy vacationed with and both of them state they were her best friends. Did Jessica just not know Nancy well enough? Or..? What is wrong with this picture?

[sues]

I had to go back and read Jessica Adam's statements again. What is wierd to me is that she says that she, Nancy and Carrie - who's last name she mentions as being Clarke - ran together regularly and she didn't believe Nancy and Carrie would have gone running without telling her.

Yet, when Brad calls her a 2nd time to ask for Carrie's phone # she apparently doesn't have it and offers to go over to the house to watch the girls while Brad goes out (driving around?) trying to find Carrie. How is it that she knows Carrie well enough to share daily habits and knows her last name, but she couldn't just give him Carrie's phone #?

There's something odd because this is the 2nd thing about Jessica's statements that seemed off. The other thing was that she made Clea and Mike Morwick out to be someone Nancy felt uncomfortable around, yet they are the people that Nancy vacationed with and both of them state they were her best friends. Did Jessica just not know Nancy well enough? Or..? What is wrong with this picture?

I agree there would be something strange about Jessica not knowing Carrie's phone number. I feel like there has been a lot off in Jessica's comments, but I don't know if it's something "weird" or if there are just holes because she's been told by LE not to talk about certain things.

I also wonder what the relationship between NC and Mike M was, but I doubt it has any relevance to the murder.

[panthera]

Yes, I'm curious about this tennis partner. I guess he must exist. Obviously Brad wasn't aware that nancy was going to painting that day unless she was planning to take the kids with her.

I'm very curious why there is no affidavit from Carrie. Even though it has nothing to do with custody, allegations were made in the custody affidavits that Brad murdered Nancy. If Carrie had come forward to state that yes indeed she did go jogging with nancy that would be huge for brad OR if she said they never had any plans it would suggest that either Brad lied or nancy lied which I guess gets us nowhere really since nancy is dead...however if this were the case and nancy lied because she had l"eaving business" to take care of I'm guessing Jessica was probably aware of it and would have said so by now.

The whole Carrie business is a mystery - I'm guessing Brad will dismiss it by saying he may have misundertood and thought nancy was going with her when she wasn't. Also what was the business about carrie standing nancy up the morning before? what was the relevance of that in the affidavit? Also, I found it strange that Brad knew where Carrie lived, knew her car but didnt know her last name or her phone number - how convenient.
I really don't think it's odd Brad didn't have Carrie's phone number as she was Nancy's friend but since Nancy left her cell phone at home, I'm sure he could've looked there for it! I'd like to know more about Carrie too and what her version of plans for that day were. It just seems strange to me that of all the days Nancy seems to break from her routine, she ends up murdered.

[Bob&Bob]

He takes the girls to Chick Fil A.

#29 Bradley Cooper affadavit


She doesn't like Chick Fil A.
http://art2mis.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-hate-chick-fil.html

[raisincharlie]

I had to go back and read Jessica Adam's statements again. What is wierd to me is that she says that she, Nancy and Carrie - who's last name she mentions as being Clarke - ran together regularly and she didn't believe Nancy and Carrie would have gone running without telling her.

Yet, when Brad calls her a 2nd time to ask for Carrie's phone # she apparently doesn't have it and offers to go over to the house to watch the girls while Brad goes out (driving around?) trying to find Carrie. How is it that she knows Carrie well enough to share daily habits and knows her last name, but she couldn't just give him Carrie's phone #?

There's something odd because this is the 2nd thing about Jessica's statements that seemed off. The other thing was that she made Clea and Mike Morwick out to be someone Nancy felt uncomfortable around, yet they are the people that Nancy vacationed with and both of them state they were her best friends. Did Jessica just not know Nancy well enough? Or..? What is wrong with this picture?

If you listen to her 911 call when LE asks for Nancy's address - she has to go look it up but if you listen to her during this period you can hear she is also trying to catch her breath. It seems pretty obvious she was very distressed and she seems to have a bit of a habit of going from a question to just saying what she wants to say. I don't think there is anything to it - she may not know the number off hand - for instance if it is a speed dial number - who really remembers the full phone number ?

[LillyRush]

If you listen to her 911 call when LE asks for Nancy's address - she has to go look it up but if you listen to her during this period you can hear she is also trying to catch her breath. It seems pretty obvious she was very distressed and she seems to have a bit of a habit of going from a question to just saying what she wants to say. I don't think there is anything to it - she may not know the number off hand - for instance if it is a speed dial number - who really remembers the full phone number ?

I wouldn't expect that she'd have known the # off the top of her head. I am the same way, as far as friends and family members who are programmed into my cell phone and on speed dial.

It's just that she skipped right past find Carrie's number, somewhere/anywhere, and jumped right to offering to go watch the kids at the house while Brad went out to find Carrie. In the same amount of time, she could have just looked up Carrie's # wherever she had it. Or even called Carrie herself.

[CyberLaw]

These guys do not spend time with kids. Especially if the children are girls and not boys. The "girls" would only and specifically be the mothers responsibility. They also never, do anything without saying to themselves - how does this benefit me, how do I profit from this, how does this make me and my life better.

I even doubt it had to be an fight when NC came home. Just the fact that she came home without him, is enough to set him off, especially if he feels he needs more control and Nancy decided to stand up for herself.

These men have problems with women in general. Women are not valued except that they will benefit men. That is the "attractive' smart" wife that reflects well on the husband.

Also lying and breathing are the same to them. They will lie and lie. I will never believe anything that comes out of the mouth of Brad.

Also, it is always the fault of everyone else. They never accept responsibility. They feel entitled to do what ever to whom ever they want.
Power and control is the entire way of life for them.

Brad makes himself out to be a normal person. The fact that Nancy went out for a run, and left him with the kids. I doubt it. Because remember what her job and place in the family was.

Also, when he says that he went out to fetch minor items from the store. That again, I doubt. Because Brad does not do anything that does not directly benefit Brad.

Wait until he is arrested and then the "vilification" of Nancy will begin. He will put out all the stops to tarnish the victim, like a Hans Reiser.

These men expect to be treated like kings and their life is all about them and the rest of the family are object and treated as same.

BTW, my friends husband was the same way. When I read the affidavit, it was a mirror of "classic" PD.

Remember with his PD as far as Brad is concerned, he just got rid of a "troublesome" object, not a person. It benefited him. No child support, no alimony. Free to date and see whom ever without his wife.

[mom2boys]

He takes the girls to Chick Fil A.

#29 Bradley Cooper affadavit


She doesn't like Chick Fil A.
http://art2mis.blogspot.com/2006/09/i-hate-chick-fil.html

Bob&Bob,
I'm confused. That's the second reference to her blog. What does that have to do with Nancy? It's not her blog. She isn't the one that wrote she didn't like Chick Fil A.
Am I missing something?

[raisincharlie]

I wouldn't expect that she'd have known the # off the top of her head. I am the same way, as far as friends and family members who are programmed into my cell phone and on speed dial.

It's just that she skipped right past find Carrie's number, somewhere/anywhere, and jumped right to offering to go watch the kids at the house while Brad went out to find Carrie. In the same amount of time, she could have just looked up Carrie's # wherever she had it. Or even called Carrie herself.


She may have called Carrie for all we know but yeah she skipped over that for sure. I do think it could be attributed to her sense of worry though.

[LillyRush]

She may have called Carrie for all we know but yeah she skipped over that for sure. I do think it could be attributed to her sense of worry though.

You're right, she could have called her. She just didn't mention it in her statement, so I thought it odd that Carrie was pretty much not mentioned again after that. She mentions the conversation she had with Brad which involved references to Carrie, then she called the police and the next person she called was another friend named Mary Andersen while they waited for the police to arrive.

[OtisCampbell]

Anybody else see that alot of the Affadate was started with I

Would it come across better if he referred to himself in the third person?

He's talking about things that he did. How else is he going to refer to himself?

[raisincharlie]

You're right, she could have called her. She just didn't mention it in her statement, so I thought it odd that Carrie was pretty much not mentioned again after that. She mentions the conversation she had with Brad which involved references to Carrie, then she called the police and the next person she called was another friend named Mary Andersen while they waited for the police to arrive.

The thing I wonder about with Carrie - she didn't give an affidavit to go along with the pile of others.

Asking myself why -

I believe since Jessica assigned a last name to her that this person exists first.

Since both Brad and Jessica mention her and give a few details, I believe she probably did run with Nancy on occasion.

Having followed the Michelle Young case and how LE operated with respect to that case - the same pattern seems to be taking place. A few press conferences and then complete silence. Additionally in the MY case, word has it that witnesses LE interviewed were told not to talk to anyone about interviews etc. In fact the last person known to have seen Michelle alive has never been publically acknowledged by LE.

This leads me to the conclusion that LE has contacted Ms. Clarke and has conducted an interview and she has been advised to stay quiet and basically hidden. So while I wonder about Ms. Clarke, the absence of this person from the public and the lack of acknowledgement by LE really seems right in line as to how LE has handled other high profile cases in the area.

[raisincharlie]

You're right, she could have called her. She just didn't mention it in her statement, so I thought it odd that Carrie was pretty much not mentioned again after that. She mentions the conversation she had with Brad which involved references to Carrie, then she called the police and the next person she called was another friend named Mary Andersen while they waited for the police to arrive.

Maybe she did contact Carrie, maybe that is part of the reason in her affidavit she declares she believes Brad murdered Nancy...possible.

[Sewing_Buddy]

If Carrie had come forward to state that yes indeed she did go jogging with nancy that would be huge for brad OR if she said they never had any plans it would suggest that either Brad lied or nancy lied which I guess gets us nowhere really since nancy is dead..



So if you are this Carrie but no one knows it's you, do you have an obligation to come forward? There's no way you could live in Cary and not have heard about the murder. Plus, if Carrie is a running partner I'd think Nancy would have called her at least once....check the phone records to find out her name.
This isn't rocket science so I'm sure the LE has thought of this already...which makes me wonder why we haven't heard anything from her?

[fran]

So if you are this Carrie but no one knows it's you, do you have an obligation to come forward? There's no way you could live in Cary and not have heard about the murder. Plus, if Carrie is a running partner I'd think Nancy would have called her at least once....check the phone records to find out her name.
This isn't rocket science so I'm sure the LE has thought of this already...which makes me wonder why we haven't heard anything from her?

IMHO, LE has already been in touch with Carrie. They already know the answer. ;)

So does Brad.

Just sayin'
fran

[Bob&Bob]

It's sort of hard to understand why an adult would have
to email their father in law to let him know how much money
the other person is getting or giving the other person.
Why would anyone want to do that?

[NCBanker]

It's sort of hard to understand why an adult would have
to email their father in law to let him know how much money
the other person is getting or giving the other person.
Why would anyone want to do that?

I imagine with the turmoil going on in their marriage, Nancy had been completely open with her family. Because of her father's previous work in social services, they may have allowed him to intercede as a middle man to mediate... It actually makes perfect sense to me that her father would have been involved. I could see my dad doing the same thing.

One other note - regardless of Nancy's mother's driving history, it is obvious that they are incredibly good, loving, nurturing people with their grandchildren's best interests at heart. It's unfortunate that we came to know her wonderful family under such conditions.

[carolinalady]

It's sort of hard to understand why an adult would have
to email their father in law to let him know how much money
the other person is getting or giving the other person.
Why would anyone want to do that?

Just keeping an open mind here and looking a both sides. If what BC said about Nancy embellishing things, then maybe he was emailing Mr. Rentz so that he would be apprised that BC was in fact helping out.

I think of it like work, if you want to make sure someone is passing on info that you're getting your job done (specifically if there's a question otherwise), you CC the boss.

Again, this should be something that can be confirmed or denied.

[Bob&Bob]

Just keeping an open mind here and looking a both sides. If what BC said about Nancy embellishing things, then maybe he was emailing Mr. Rentz so that he would be apprised that BC was in fact helping out.

I think of it like work, if you want to make sure someone is passing on info that you're getting your job done (specifically if there's a question otherwise), you CC the boss.

Again, this should be something that can be confirmed or denied.

Her father isn't his boss.

[Bob&Bob]

I imagine with the turmoil going on in their marriage, Nancy had been completely open with her family. Because of her father's previous work in social services, they may have allowed him to intercede as a middle man to mediate... It actually makes perfect sense to me that her father would have been involved. I could see my dad doing the same thing.

One other note - regardless of Nancy's mother's driving history, it is obvious that they are incredibly good, loving, nurturing people with their grandchildren's best interests at heart. It's unfortunate that we came to know her wonderful family under such conditions.

That's ludicrous.

[raisincharlie]

It's sort of hard to understand why an adult would have
to email their father in law to let him know how much money
the other person is getting or giving the other person.
Why would anyone want to do that?


It is even harded to understand why an adult would email their father in law about money but couldn't email or phone to tell the father in law that the person he was giving the money to is missing.

[carolinalady]

Her father isn't his boss.

Nope he's not. Just trying to show another example of when you CC someone on an email. The relationship is very tense b/w husband & wife. From what NC's friends have said, he was not helping prepare the house for sale and/or sabotaging work she had already completed. From Mr. Rentz's own statements, he spoke w/ Nancy often and was aware of the situation in regards to marriage/separation. Maybe BC was trying to make sure her dad knew that he trying to do his part to get the house ready for the sale.

Like I've said before, this is something that Mr. Rentz should be able to verify and/or should be verifiable through computer records.

Again, just trying to look at all sides of things.

[Bob&Bob]

It is even harded to understand why an adult would email their father in law about money but couldn't email or phone to tell the father in law that the person he was giving the money to is missing.

Maybe he didn't think she was missing.

It seems like you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't for a few hours on the missing.

If you killed her and call too soon isn't somebody going
to say, "Why did you think she was missing?" Then
if you wait longer it was too long and you should have
done that sooner."

[raisincharlie]

Maybe he didn't think she was missing.

It seems like you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't for a few hours on the missing.

If you killed her and call too soon isn't somebody going
to say, "Why did you think she was missing?" Then
if you wait longer it was too long and you should have
done that sooner."

We aren't talking a few hours - he didn't even tell his own brother until the body was found...

Seems to me Ms. Adams took the chance to report her missing within a few hours and had no worry about doing so.

[SleuthyGal]

If a spouse went running and wasn't back within 3 hrs then I think that would be cause for alarm, UNLESS you knew that said spouse was planning on a long run, over 5+ miles, or had some plans afterwards or had their cell phone with them.

But no communication at all after a run, when there are 2 little girls at home....yeah, some worry would set in after 3 hrs. And if not 3 hrs then after 5 or 6 hours, for sure.

And if not worry, then at least some irritation as to why the wife wasn't home so she could take care of the girls while husband did his thing. (Again, unless there was a plan in place that he would watch the girls at home).

The fact that he was neither worried NOR irritated is what calls attention to it.

[Bob&Bob]

If a spouse went running and wasn't back within 3 hrs then I think that would be cause for alarm, UNLESS you knew that said spouse was planning on a long run, over 5+ miles, or had some plans afterwards or had their cell phone with them.

But no communication at all after a run, when there are 2 little girls at home....yeah, some worry would set in after 3 hrs. And if not 3 hrs then after 5 or 6 hours, for sure.

And if not worry, then at least some irritation as to why the wife wasn't home so she could take care of the girls while husband did his thing. (Again, unless there was a plan in place that he would watch the girls at home).

The fact that he was neither worried NOR irritated is what calls attention to it.

How do you know he wasn't worried or irritated?

[raisincharlie]

If a spouse went running and wasn't back within 3 hrs then I think that would be cause for alarm, UNLESS you knew that said spouse was planning on a long run, over 5+ miles, or had some plans afterwards or had their cell phone with them.

But no communication at all after a run, when there are 2 little girls at home....yeah, some worry would set in after 3 hrs. And if not 3 hrs then after 5 or 6 hours, for sure.

And if not worry, then at least some irritation as to why the wife wasn't home so she could take care of the girls while husband did his thing. (Again, unless there was a plan in place that he would watch the girls at home).

The fact that he was neither worried NOR irritated is what calls attention to it.

Brad had plans that am - he was to play tennis according to his affidavit . He first called to postpone, then he called to cancel. So yeah there should have been some irritation or something.

[SleuthyGal]

How do you know he wasn't worried or irritated?

Because Jessica would have noticed it and probably mentioned it. His demeanor can be verified by Jessica as well as the tennis partner. Brad & Nancy were in the middle of separating. He'd be irritated at her for doing ANYTHING to alter HIS schedule...a schedule that included plans to go out that morning and play tennis.

That much is common sense. This couple wasn't getting along. Her not coming back from jogging when he had plans would be something he'd care about.

He wasn't looking for her because he knew she wasn't ever coming back.

He wasn't angry/irritated because he knew she wasn't ever coming back.

He wasn't worried because he knew exactly what happened to her.

IMHO, of course.

[LillyRush]

I completely missed this post last week. Wow, RKAB. Thanks for the insight and thank goodness you didn't get into a longer term relationship (marriage) with BC.

Just me again...I see that a couple of people have asked why BC and I broke up. He was not cheating on me (that I knew of) but who knows?? To be honest, I truly could not deal with the emotional rollercoaster of being with him...the ups, the downs, the pouting, the sulking, the threats, the belittling...ask him what's wrong and get a snarky "nothing", have him pout for a week and then he suddenly erupts with a month's worth of things. The comments and the belittling ("you know you can never do better than me", "you know this is the best relationship you've ever been in", "you know you could never get someone who can afford the life you want like I can", "no one will ever love you like I do", "you'll never leave me, you know how good you have it with me", "you look like sh*t in that", "that makes you look fat", "no one will ever look at you in that", etc.). It took a huge toll on me personally, my self esteem, my being.

I am not a materialistic person. He wanted everything that made him look like he could afford all, even if he couldn't. He always wanted the car that made everyone look, the clothes that everyone always complimented him on, the physique, the everything. He just needed to look like he always had it all. I don't care about material items, I want my friends and my family and laughs and that was so far from his mind. Me me me.....it became unbearable.

There were other issues as well but these were some of the issues and I just couldn't take it. For a time, I couldn't leave it either because I had come to believe that he was right. Here was an attractive man telling me these things. Maybe I couldn't do better, maybe this was it. Thank god for my friends and my family to have finally convinced me that I could get out of it, that I did deserve better and that the things that he had tried to push into my head and control me with were untrue. It has been a long hard road away from that time and even now, the unhealthy aspects of that relationship still haunt me.

Too much information, I'm sure. :)

[LillyRush]

Nope he's not. Just trying to show another example of when you CC someone on an email. The relationship is very tense b/w husband & wife. From what NC's friends have said, he was not helping prepare the house for sale and/or sabotaging work she had already completed. From Mr. Rentz's own statements, he spoke w/ Nancy often and was aware of the situation in regards to marriage/separation. Maybe BC was trying to make sure her dad knew that he trying to do his part to get the house ready for the sale.

Like I've said before, this is something that Mr. Rentz should be able to verify and/or should be verifiable through computer records.

Again, just trying to look at all sides of things.

I agree, carolinalady. Not only that, but didn't Nancy's father work for Children and Family Services before he retired? Maybe he was trying to make sure that her father didn't contact anyone in regards to the stories about her not having enough food and other basics for the kids.

[Carrington]

She didn't have money for food and basics, Yet she had money to buy $150 dresses for two little girls? And, be their number 1 customer?
None of this makes sense anymore....
IMO

[SleuthyGal]

She didn't have money for food and basics, Yet she had money to buy $150 dresses for two little girls? And, be their number 1 customer?
None of this makes sense anymore....
IMO

Well have the $150 dresses/best customer been confirmed? Just because it was posted on a message board doesn't make it true. And the other things were in affidavits which doesn't mean they're absolutely true...but it does mean that the people who talked about it weren't (intending to) lie or make things up (but they may have been repeating what they heard).

[Bob&Bob]

We aren't talking a few hours - he didn't even tell his own brother until the body was found...

Seems to me Ms. Adams took the chance to report her missing within a few hours and had no worry about doing so.


According to Ms. Adam in her affadavit, Ms. Adam
called N's cellphone @ 9:25 am. There was no
answer. Then she called the homephone.

According BC's affadavit (#179) he received a phonecall
from Ms. Adam at 10:45-11 a.m.

Not calling his brother doesn't seem particularly important.

[carolinalady]

Well have the $150 dresses/best customer been confirmed? Just because it was posted on a message board doesn't make it true. And the other things were in affidavits which doesn't mean they're absolutely true...but it does mean that the people who talked about it weren't (intending to) lie or make things up (but they may have been repeating what they heard).

Exactly. It goes both ways. That's why we need to wait for the evidence to come out.

At least, like you stated, the people weren't intending the lie in the affidavits (they are stating what they believe to be true).

[raisincharlie]

According to Ms. Adam in her affadavit, Ms. Adam
called N's cellphone @ 9:25 am. There was no
answer. Then she called the homephone.

According BC's affadavit (#179) he received a phonecall
from Ms. Adam at 10:45-11 a.m.

Not calling his brother doesn't seem particularly important.

Deflection - bottom line he neither contacted 911, or her parents after LE took the missing person report.

[carolinalady]

Deflection - bottom line he neither contacted 911, or her parents after LE took the missing person report.

From the affidavits, he went looking for Nancy (& told Jessica this) and Jessica called 911 because she was worried about her friend. I believe it states that the police were at his house when he returned from looking for, so no need to call 911 again. Honestly, before this case, I really did think that an adult had to be missing 24 hrs before police would get involved.

People criticized for him not searching and he states LE told him it was better for him to stick around the house. Only BC and LE know the truth about this.

Did he ask someone to call her family or did LE tell him not to? We don't know anything more than what's in the affidavits and the statements given to the press. Obviously LE isn't saying anything at this point.

[raisincharlie]

From the affidavits, he went looking for Nancy (& told Jessica this) and Jessica called 911 because she was worried about her friend. I believe it states that the police were at his house when he returned from looking for, so no need to call 911 again. Honestly, before this case, I really did think that an adult had to be missing 24 hrs before police would get involved.

People criticized for him not searching and he states LE told him it was better for him to stick around the house. Only BC and LE know the truth about this.

Did he ask someone to call her family or did LE tell him not to? We don't know anything more than what's in the affidavits and the statements given to the press. Obviously LE isn't saying anything at this point.

Agreed, no reason for him to call again - the question is why he wasn't worried enough to call in the first place - obviously Ms. Adam was worried enough to believe something bad had happened - did he just blow her and her concerns off ?

Why didn't he go to Carrie's first ? In his rebuttal affidavit he speaks about Carrie, lines 171 -175 yet in lines 181-183 he tells about riding around looking and the last place he heads for is Carrie's house - doesn't make sense to me, I would think that would be the first place, but that's just me.

[carolinalady]

Agreed, no reason for him to call again - the question is why he wasn't worried enough to call in the first place - obviously Ms. Adam was worried enough to believe something bad had happened - did he just blow her and her concerns off ?

Why didn't he go to Carrie's first ? In his rebuttal affidavit he speaks about Carrie, lines 171 -175 yet in lines 181-183 he tells about riding around looking and the last place he heads for is Carrie's house - doesn't make sense to me, I would think that would be the first place, but that's just me.

Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe he thought she had to be missing 24 hours for police to get involved. Many posters, including me, thought that was the case.

I don't know why he wouldn't go to Carey/Carrie's first. From my recollection, he knew Carrie's car and condo complex, but not her exact address.

Have we received confirmation from Jessica that she did or did not tell BC that she didn't know Carrie's phone number?

[The Saint]

It's sort of hard to understand why an adult would have
to email their father in law to let him know how much money
the other person is getting or giving the other person.
Why would anyone want to do that?
i believe that nancy was trying to document it for the impending divorce.
she needed a witness.

perhaps she felt like he might kill her and she was leaving a paper trail.

brad would do it to document what he was giving nancy in case she was telling her family that she was receiving no money from him.

[The Saint]

Her father isn't his boss.
thankfully. brad had sex with his boss's wife...

[Bob&Bob]

Giving the benefit of the doubt, maybe he thought she had to be missing 24 hours for police to get involved. Many posters, including me, thought that was the case.

I don't know why he wouldn't go to Carey/Carrie's first. From my recollection, he knew Carrie's car and condo complex, but not her exact address.

Have we received confirmation from Jessica that she did or did not tell BC that she didn't know Carrie's phone number?

http://www.charlotte.com/news/story/713558.html

Adam knew someone by that name but said she didn't know the woman's last name and did not have her phone number. Cooper said he was going to continue looking for Carrie's phone number and hung up, Adam said.

It sounds like neither one of them knew Carrie's last name or phone number.

Even though JA was training with C and N for a marathon later that summer. According to JA's
affadavit (#8).

[Sewing_Buddy]

Did he ask someone to call her family or did LE tell him not to? We don't know anything more than what's in the affidavits and the statements given to the press. Obviously LE isn't saying anything at this point.

I can't imagine LE telling him not to call her family. At that point in the investigation, LE would only be gathering information...certainly not giving suggestions!

Had he already told them that there were "marital problems"? That is always a red flag IMO.

[carolinalady]

I can't imagine LE telling him not to call her family. At that point in the investigation, LE would only be gathering information...certainly not giving suggestions!

Had he already told them that there were "marital problems"? That is always a red flag IMO.

Right and it's a red flag if he doesn't mention it, too.

[Bob&Bob]

thankfully. brad had sex with his boss's wife...


Do you have a link for that? Or, like, proof or anything?

[carolinalady]

thankfully. brad had sex with his boss's wife...

It's in an affidavit of something NC told one of her friends. Again, there has only be confirmation (via BC's affidavit) of the affair w/ HM.

[The Saint]

is (or was) scott heider ever brad's boss at cisco?

[LizzieBeth]

From Bob&Bob's post above--

It sounds like neither one of them knew Carrie's last name or phone number.

Even though JA was training with C and N for a marathon later that summer. According to JA's
affadavit (#8).

I thought this was odd, too.

[MCDRAW]

From the affidavits, he went looking for Nancy (& told Jessica this) and Jessica called 911 because she was worried about her friend. I believe it states that the police were at his house when he returned from looking for, so no need to call 911 again. Honestly, before this case, I really did think that an adult had to be missing 24 hrs before police would get involved.

People criticized for him not searching and he states LE told him it was better for him to stick around the house. Only BC and LE know the truth about this.

Did he ask someone to call her family or did LE tell him not to? We don't know anything more than what's in the affidavits and the statements given to the press. Obviously LE isn't saying anything at this point.


I thought someone had to be missing 24 hours before the police would get involved too.

[MCDRAW]

She didn't have money for food and basics, Yet she had money to buy $150 dresses for two little girls? And, be their number 1 customer?
None of this makes sense anymore....
IMO


It makes me wonder if there was something to the story of her exaggerating.

[KTaylorsc]

In Jessica Adam's affadavit, the named Carrie as Carrie Clarke and said that the three of them would run together and she thought it was odd that NC and CC went without her or without telling her.

I think Jessica tells some tall tales herself.

[EntreNous]

Maybe she had been their number 1 customer and BC had recently cut her off. Or maybe she'd been doing the painting to pay for things like the dresses. I know when I was low on $$$ my kids came first. Just a thought.

[SusieClue]

One point I haven't seen mentioned yet...(but maybe missed it)

Brad says he had a scheduled tennis match at 9:30 a.m. which makes me very suspicious of his not being worried or just plain pissed, when she isn't home to take over kid duty at around 9. You just have to know, given his obsessive sporting ways, that he would have told her about his match before she left for her run to assure she would be there to take over. If she wasn't planning on bringing the girls with her to paint, then she would have replied, I can't - I'm going to Jessica's at 8:00. - in which case he would have been worried not to see her at home even earlier and he would have canceled his tennis match earlier, imo. The bit about stopping to get coffee is silly. He admitted she doesn't carry anything (as in money to pay for coffee) but a stick of gum with her on her runs. And I don't buy that he didn't know Carey's last name. And do we know if he checked her contacts list on her cellphone for her number? IF the phone was in the car, then I'm guessing the answer is no.

[fran]

One point I haven't seen mentioned yet...(but maybe missed it)

Brad says he had a scheduled tennis match at 9:30 a.m. which makes me very suspicious of his not being worried or just plain pissed, when she isn't home to take over kid duty at around 9. You just have to know, given his obsessive sporting ways, that he would have told her about his match before she left for her run to assure she would be there to take over. If she wasn't planning on bringing the girls with her to paint, then she would have replied, I can't - I'm going to Jessica's at 8:00. - in which case he would have been worried not to see her at home even earlier and he would have canceled his tennis match earlier, imo. The bit about stopping to get coffee is silly. He admitted she doesn't carry anything (as in money to pay for coffee) but a stick of gum with her on her runs. And I don't buy that he didn't know Carey's last name. And do we know if he checked her contacts list on her cellphone for her number? IF the phone was in the car, then I'm guessing the answer is no.

Hi SusieClue, cute name and welcome to websleuths! :)

I haven't read all of this thread but just wanted to comment.

IMO, I THINK they may have gotten in their LAST disagreement just over that mornings schedule. He wanted to play tennis and she had already made plans to paint. For money I might add, because he was PUNISHING her for not wanting to stay with him anymore!

Grrr,
Oh, JMHO
fran

;)

[SusieClue]

Hi SusieClue, cute name and welcome to websleuths! :)

I haven't read all of this thread but just wanted to comment.

IMO, I THINK they may have gotten in their LAST disagreement just over that mornings schedule. He wanted to play tennis and she had already made plans to paint. For money I might add, because he was PUNISHING her for not wanting to stay with him anymore!

Grrr,
Oh, JMHO
fran

;)

Hi fran. That makes sense. Are you thinking this argument happened right after the party?? I believe that whatever happened it took place post-party and not at 6 am. Sometimes the littlest arguments can turn into the biggest. I would love to know from Jessica Adams if Nancy had intended to bring her children to paint. If that was her intention, he shouldn't have been upset, right? :waitasec:

[EntreNous]

I can't imagine she'd take children that small with her to paint unless there would be someone there to watch them for her. That's a messy job that can spell disaster very quickly with toddlers around. Plus as a mother you really wouldn't want to expose them to the fumes.

I'm betting an argument occured after the party which got out of hand. Since she mentioned the night before that she was planning on getting a run in the next morning, she likely also mentioned that plan to BC before or during the possible argument. Since BC obviously felt comfortable controlling her finances, etc. he could have told her she wasn't budging from the house the next day. Which, were it me, would've made me livid with him. I can totally see this escalating into something physical with BC losing control. And if NC did mention in the course of the argument that she'd planned on jogging that morning, BC could see this as a perfect out for the reason she was gone from the house the next day.

I'm sure he thought he had it all worked out. The #%&@!?!

JMO

[SusieClue]

I can't imagine she'd take children that small with her to paint unless there would be someone there to watch them for her. That's a messy job that can spell disaster very quickly with toddlers around. Plus as a mother you really wouldn't want to expose them to the fumes.

I'm betting an argument occured after the party which got out of hand. Since she mentioned the night before that she was planning on getting a run in the next morning, she likely also mentioned that plan to BC before or during the possible argument. Since BC obviously felt comfortable controlling her finances, etc. he could have told her she wasn't budging from the house the next day. Which, were it me, would've made me livid with him. I can totally see this escalating into something physical with BC losing control. And if NC did mention in the course of the argument that she'd planned on jogging that morning, BC could see this as a perfect out for the reason she was gone from the house the next day.

I'm sure he thought he had it all worked out. The #%&@!?!

JMO

True about not wanting to bring the kids, but, I could see her getting to the point where she doesn't even tell him that she is going to be doing the painting for money (given what we've heard about him (supposedly) not giving her as much money since she "has her own".) I am sure there comes a point in a marriage that is doomed such as this one was- when neither party shares much about their plans at all, other than what is necessary to arrange for the children's care. I have the feeling she was trying to set aside some money he wouldn't know about. And if it meant keeping some level of peace at home - so he could go play tennis - I would do the same - take the kids. I'm assuming that their exposure to paint fumes would be less toxic than the environment at home anyway when old Brad was not happy. Whether he proves to be the murderer or not, I feel so badly about what she had to deal with from this man that was supposed to be honoring and protecting her.
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[fran]

Hi fran. That makes sense. Are you thinking this argument happened right after the party?? I believe that whatever happened it took place post-party and not at 6 am. Sometimes the littlest arguments can turn into the biggest. I would love to know from Jessica Adams if Nancy had intended to bring her children to paint. If that was her intention, he shouldn't have been upset, right? :waitasec:

It's been reported that he attended the party earlier in the evening and left with the children, leaving Nancy at the get together. It's then reported that Nancy left just after 12:00.

Now, seeing that Brad, by his own admission, is not normally done with his day until 1:00 a.m., I'm going to do the unthinkable and ASSume he was still up when Nancy returned. I'm also going to ASSume there MAY have been a confrontation at that time.

One thing leads to another, wham!

Now this opens up unplanned, premeditated. I'm putting my money on.........ummmmm.........premeditated.

Remember the list. To do list, take care of, where are they?

Will
Insurance policies
Bank accounts
Blue book

I believe there was one more item on the 'list,' but I forget what it was. It was after discovery of this list, Nancy was 'afraid,' and began sleeping with the children, behind a locked door, with her clothes on and car keys in her pocket. It was upon discovery of this list, her friends wanted her to leave ASAP, and stay with them. Nancy declined and.................

JMHO
fran

[fran]

I can't imagine she'd take children that small with her to paint unless there would be someone there to watch them for her. That's a messy job that can spell disaster very quickly with toddlers around. Plus as a mother you really wouldn't want to expose them to the fumes.

I'm betting an argument occured after the party which got out of hand. Since she mentioned the night before that she was planning on getting a run in the next morning, she likely also mentioned that plan to BC before or during the possible argument. Since BC obviously felt comfortable controlling her finances, etc. he could have told her she wasn't budging from the house the next day. Which, were it me, would've made me livid with him. I can totally see this escalating into something physical with BC losing control. And if NC did mention in the course of the argument that she'd planned on jogging that morning, BC could see this as a perfect out for the reason she was gone from the house the next day.

I'm sure he thought he had it all worked out. The #%&@!?!

JMO


Hi and welcome to Websleuths! :)

IF you add in the 'list,' do you still think it's an argument that escalated out of control,.................or premeditated?

Just askin'
fran

[SusieClue]

It's been reported that he attended the party earlier in the evening and left with the children, leaving Nancy at the get together. It's then reported that Nancy left just after 12:00.

Now, seeing that Brad, by his own admission, is not normally done with his day until 1:00 a.m., I'm going to do the unthinkable and ASSume he was still up when Nancy returned. I'm also going to ASSume there MAY have been a confrontation at that time.

One thing leads to another, wham!

Now this opens up unplanned, premeditated. I'm putting my money on.........ummmmm.........premeditated.

Remember the list. To do list, take care of, where are they?

Will
Insurance policies
Bank accounts
Blue book

I believe there was one more item on the 'list,' but I forget what it was. It was after discovery of this list, Nancy was 'afraid,' and began sleeping with the children, behind a locked door, with her clothes on and car keys in her pocket. It was upon discovery of this list, her friends wanted her to leave ASAP, and stay with them. Nancy declined and.................

JMHO
fran

He had also listed random things like Bella's favorite color and food - chicken nuggets (is this why he mentioned in his affadavit that he liked taking the girls to Chick-fil-a "a favorite of theirs"?) It would seem he was trying to bone up on information he should already know. WHY? 2 explanations: So he could have a chance in the custody hearings or he could premeditate a murder.

[petra]

True about