Theories

[SeriouslySearching]

We all have our own theories on what happened to Nancy. Feel free to post your thoughts here.

[SleuthyGal]

My theory: husband did it. Maybe it was not premeditated; maybe it was. Either way I believe something happened when she got home from that party, he killed her, and he dumped her body and pulled a "Mark Hacking" (she never came home after going out for a walk/run early in the morning a couple mi from home).

All too common these days, unfortunately.

[Pepper]

I pretty much agree with Sleuthy. She returned from the party, he killed her. He packed her body in the car, drove to the dump site, dumped the body, returned home, proceeded to clean up any evidence he could. He may or may not have gone to the store to buy cleaning supplies. This part is unconfirmed and just speculation at this time.

I tend to think it was not premeditated, or he would have come up with a better story. I just hope for the sake of the children, that they slept through the commotion.

[angiej]

If he had to buy cleaning supplies to clean up the mess from the attack, you'd think he would need to clean himself up first too. That would explain needing to do laundry at 4am. You can use laundry detergent to clean floors, but you can't use floor cleaner to clean clothing.

[reefshadow]

I think she learned something at that party, possibly a detail about his alleged extramarital affair. They argued and harsh words and threats from her to leave with the children were exchanged, so in a fit of rage he killed her. He then loaded her body into the trunk, went and dumped it, and then went to the store either immediately after doing the dump, or went later after determining he wouldn't have enough products for clean-up.

Has it been determined the children were there? I kind of assumed they were gone for the night since they were away at the party. (or were the kids at the party?)

[mahmoo]

I agree reefshadow. Nancy had very recently returned from vacation and I believe that one (or more) of the neighbors may have seen Brad and the woman he was having the affair with together......possibly even saw them at the Cooper home and told Nancy about it. It was the last straw for Nancy and, after a few cocktails, she confronted him when she returned home from the party. Maybe Brad opted not to attend the party because he didn't want to face any neighbors that may have witnessed his infidelities.

I truly believe something was said, or something happened at that party that set the chain of events in motion. I think it was a spur of the moment event and was not premeditated hence the sloppiness in covering up the murder.

[panthera]

I think she learned something at that party, possibly a detail about his alleged extramarital affair. They argued and harsh words and threats from her to leave with the children were exchanged, so in a fit of rage he killed her. He then loaded her body into the trunk, went and dumped it, and then went to the store either immediately after doing the dump, or went later after determining he wouldn't have enough products for clean-up.

Has it been determined the children were there? I kind of assumed they were gone for the night since they were away at the party. (or were the kids at the party?)
I believe she attended the party without Brad and just an assumption because nothing else has been said, that he was at home with the children.

[panthera]

I also believe he's the person who killed her, shortly after she returned home from the party. I believe the jogging story was to make it look like someone else did it, and that's why he put her body where it was found. If he did stop at a store for detergent/bleach I think it was after he'd dropped her body off, on his way back home. I'm not sure what to speculate as to how Nancy was killed, but it seems LE believes there's some forensic evidence in the house or they wouldn't have spent so much time there & removed items.
:cow:

[Magister]

As I stated in an earlier post before the subforums were created, Brad would be the obvious suspect, but there also could've been a murderous band of gypsies camping on that cul-de-sac.

Not only is that part of town a popular cruising site for people drinking and driving or smoking dope, but I used to have unprotected, hoodtop sex in area neighborhoods under construction and the fact that it took a couple of days for her body to be discovered proves that BrittAbbey Ct. wasn't high-traffic or regularly patrolled.

[angiej]

As I stated in an earlier post before the subforums were created, Brad would be the obvious suspect, but there also could've been a murderous band of gypsies camping on that cul-de-sac.

Not only is that part of town a popular cruising site for people drinking and driving or smoking dope, but I used to have unprotected, hoodtop sex in area neighborhoods under construction and the fact that it took a couple of days for her body to be discovered proves that BrittAbbey Ct. wasn't high-traffic or regularly patrolled.

The policed stated that this was an isolated incident and not some random act of violence. Which to me means that Nancy knew her attacker, it wouldn't have been a group of kids hiding out smoking dope.

[panthera]

The policed stated that this was an isolated incident and not some random act of violence. Which to me means that Nancy knew her attacker, it wouldn't have been a group of kids hiding out smoking dope.
That's what they said, and I really can't see what motive a group of kids out smoking dope would have to kill her, plus they'd have to snatch her as she jogged by them. She supposedly didn't even have anything with her for them to steal.

[angiej]

That's what they said, and I really can't see what motive a group of kids out smoking dope would have to kill her, plus they'd have to snatch her as she jogged by them. She supposedly didn't even have anything with her for them to steal.

I completely agree there isn't a motive for kids having sex or doing drugs to kill Nancy.

[curiositycat]

One of the hats I wear, and my favorite, is freelance writer. So indulge me a bit. Young, professionals seem to have it all...gorgeous homes, BMW's, Louis Vitton handbags. But something is missing. It's amazing how many times people get to what they consider the "top" and something is still "missing". All the "things" you think will make you happy aren't doing that anymore. So you look around you and think "it must be my spouse" and find a million things you don't like about the person.
This I think was where BC's head was. This was what made him vulnerable for an affair. He was living in his "love fantasy."
Nancy for whatever reason was no longer "wanted." Perhaps he and the "affair woman" both decided to dump their spouses. Maybe, lets say, hers left but Nancy wasn't as easy to get rid of. Now they begin to talk about getting rid of her. The fantasy takes root in his mind. What ever happened on Friday Night was the straw that broke the camels back. There was some kind of confrontation between Nancy and Brad, possibly the adulteress was in attendance also. Whether physically there or not it was all about Brad having to have the one thing that he thought would make his life complete. The mistress. Sex with her was still exciting. (As they say Hot Fudge Sundaes are great but eat one every day and you still get tired of them..Nancy was his Hot Fudge Sundae..he was tired of her) A scuffle broke out and he killed her. Now he alone, or with some help, cleans up and gets rid of the body. Everyone is thinking "Did he leave the kid's alone". No one has thought of it , but in a good novel the girlfriend might have been there with the kids. If one of the kids mentioned that it would be no surprise that the judge gave the grandparents custody
That's one of my theories..LOL

[Magister]

The policed stated that this was an isolated incident and not some random act of violence. Which to me means that Nancy knew her attacker, it wouldn't have been a group of kids hiding out smoking dope.

The police said that nothing has been reported to suggest that this was a random act of violence or anything but an isolated incident, but they didn't catagorically state it was such. (The key is in the phrasing)

My example from my own childhood was that the area isn't regularly patrolled and is pretty much in a "pocket" of Cary, meaning that it's surrounded on at least three sides by the city and any access for county law enforcement would require them to drive through the city's jurisdiction, so they don't get out that way very often.

Once again, I've seen nothing to indicate that her body was well hidden, but she disappeared on Saturday morning and the body wasn't found until Monday evening, so this proves that anything could've been on that cul-de-sac. Holly Springs Rd. is a fairly major artery which could be used by someone passing through and I'm sure that the trucker who recently confessed to a multi-decade, cross-country killing spree left dozens of "isolated incidents", up and down the road.

[panthera]

I completely agree there isn't a motive for kids having sex or doing drugs to kill Nancy.
Another thing that comes to mind is if where she was found was such a popular hangout, why wasn't her body found until Monday? It seems whoever put her there knew not many people went through the area, imo.

[Carrington]

This has been running though my mind, what exactly tripped Brad's switch?
What made him cross the line? What made him not weigh the consequences of being a suspected murderer, and think it was worth it?
A phone call while Nancy was at the party. Maybe something as simple as a secretary confirming an appointment with an attorney on ?. A husband of Nancy's circle giving him a heads up the women were plotting against him. A phone call, that's my theory, that caused her death on that particular night.

I don't buy the painting the dining room and then organizing Nancy's home story. Way to much work for one day.
IMO

[Magister]

You know, once again, I admit that there's reason to suspect Brad, but because a couple of people decided to deride my suggestioin that it could've (theoretically) been some kind of serial killer, I decided to run a quick search of Google News while on a break from doing some work; Simply looking at the first couple of pages, I see two young women killed while jogging, with their bodies hidden in the vicinity of where they disappeared, neither of which have resulted in any arrests or any uncleared suspects.

Bridget Gearen (http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/24695574.html): Killed last year near Galveston
Nicole Ganguzza (http://media.www.theminaretonline.com/media/storage/paper1025/news/2008/06/23/NewsFeatures/Ucf-Missing.Graduate.Student.Found.Dead-3384293.shtml): Murdered in June in Central Florida

This is not to say that Brad didn't do it, but both of these appear that may have been isolated incidents* and I'm sure that if I scrolled through additional pages, I'd most likely find others that have been written about within the last four weeks.
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*I edited-in the tentative language after reviewing Nicole's WS forum

[mahmoo]

You know, once again, I admit that there's reason to suspect Brad, but because a few people decided to deride my suggestioin that it could've (theoretically) been some kind of serial killer, I decided to run a quick search of Google News while on a break from doing some work; Simply looking at the first couple of pages, I see two young women killed while jogging, with their bodies hidden in the vicinity of where they disappeared, neither of which have resulted in any arrests or any uncleared suspects.

Bridget Gearen (http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/24695574.html): Killed last year near Galveston
Nicole Ganguzza (http://media.www.theminaretonline.com/media/storage/paper1025/news/2008/06/23/NewsFeatures/Ucf-Missing.Graduate.Student.Found.Dead-3384293.shtml): Murdered in June in Central Florida

This is not to say that Brad didn't do it, but both of these appear to be isolated incidents and I'm sure that if I scrolled through additional pages, I'd most likely find others that have been written about within the last four weeks.

Magister, I would buy into the possibility of a random killing if the Cooper's marriage had been portrayed as a very happy, trouble-free one by friends and family but it has not. BC is one unlucky son-of-a-gun if he & the wife were having serious marital problems, that everyone apparently was aware of, and then BOOM she ends up murdered.............what are the odds?

[Magister]

Magister, I would buy into the possibility of a random killing if the Cooper's marriage had been portrayed as a very happy, trouble-free one by friends and family but it has not. BC is one unlucky son-of-a-gun if he & the wife were having serious marital problems, that everyone apparently was aware of, and then BOOM she ends up murdered.............what are the odds?

I agree with your point and I'm confident that if Brad is guilty, then he'll be indicted and convicted, but...

In the "the runner" subforum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67645), it wasn't difficult to see how she could've (theoretically) been jogging near that location; We know that her body was found in an isolated area and there have been other unsolved murders of female joggers (nationwide). Again, if he's guilty, then he deserves the full treatment, but if he's not, I hope investigators are following the evidence.

[curiositycat]

You know, once again, I admit that there's reason to suspect Brad, but because a couple of people decided to deride my suggestioin that it could've (theoretically) been some kind of serial killer, I decided to run a quick search of Google News while on a break from doing some work; Simply looking at the first couple of pages, I see two young women killed while jogging, with their bodies hidden in the vicinity of where they disappeared, neither of which have resulted in any arrests or any uncleared suspects.

Bridget Gearen (http://www.kbmt12.com/news/local/24695574.html): Killed last year near Galveston
Nicole Ganguzza (http://media.www.theminaretonline.com/media/storage/paper1025/news/2008/06/23/NewsFeatures/Ucf-Missing.Graduate.Student.Found.Dead-3384293.shtml): Murdered in June in Central Florida

This is not to say that Brad didn't do it, but both of these appear that may have been isolated incidents* and I'm sure that if I scrolled through additional pages, I'd most likely find others that have been written about within the last four weeks.
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*I edited-in the tentative language after reviewing Nicole's WS forum

To be fair I saw this a few days ago while looking for information about Nancy.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1121731.html

Another woman went missing in Raleigh a couple of weeks before Nancy was killed.

[curiositycat]

Magister, I would buy into the possibility of a random killing if the Cooper's marriage had been portrayed as a very happy, trouble-free one by friends and family but it has not. BC is one unlucky son-of-a-gun if he & the wife were having serious marital problems, that everyone apparently was aware of, and then BOOM she ends up murdered.............what are the odds?
Kind of like someone said about Drew Peterson; "He is either guilty or the most unlucky guy on the planet.":)

[mahmoo]

I agree with your point and I'm confident that if Brad is guilty, then he'll be indicted and convicted, but...

In the "the runner" subforum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67645), it wasn't difficult to see how she could've (theoretically) been jogging near that location; We know that her body was found in an isolated area and there have been other unsolved murders of female joggers (nationwide). Again, if he's guilty, then he deserves the full treatment, but if he's not, I hope investigators are following the evidence.

I've learned to never say never BUT :sheesh:. If she were known by friends/family to take off on runs to unfamiliar places I would certainly take that into consideration. From what I've read she had a few routes that she "normally" took and I believe that, basically, we humans are creatures of habit. Even if she did venture off her normal routines.....what are the odds that someone was near where she was found just waiting in hopes of catching an early morning female jogger? I do realize the possibility exists that she could have been abducted on one of her normal routes and ultimately transported and left where she was found but for me, right now, it seems highly unlikely.

[RoughlyCollie]

I don't think they planned to do it all in one day. Nancy would help paint, then the other lady would help her organize (but not in same day).



I don't buy the painting the dining room and then organizing Nancy's home story. Way to much work for one day.
IMO

[Magister]

To be fair I saw this a few days ago while looking for information about Nancy.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1121731.html

Another woman went missing in Raleigh a couple of weeks before Nancy was killed.

...and Kelli Wollard (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67590) disappeared the night before Nancy.

[CyberPro]

...and Kelli Wollard (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67590) disappeared the night before Nancy.


Magister,

I have seen nothing in the local media to suggest that Kelli Wollard was killed. They found her vehicle near a daycare center, and human remains that I belive have been identified as being hers were found in the woods nearby. As far as I can tell, the police are not investigating this now, probably due to the circumstances in how the body was found.

There was a quote from a family member that sounds a bit ambigious, but tends to suggest that she died of a self-inficted method. IIRC, it was something along the lines of ..."She had problems in the past, but we thought she was past it now." This might not be a direct quote, but it is pretty close. This could mean that she had problems with some of the company she kept, or that she had a substance abuse problem, or that she had been clinically depressed and perhaps suicidal. It is somewhat ironic that when they had the BOLO out for her, the license plate was "HAPPIRN" which by my reckoning means "Happy RN".

CyberPro

[curiositycat]

On the link someone gave last night to the community newspaper there was some mention of vandalism in the area and a picture of a little bridge across a stream that someone had demolished.

You know anything is possible. But we have to go back to MMO. It all leads to Brad/and or the person is/was having an affair with.

But I think the only way to really investigate things throughly is to not be afraid to look at all the possibilities.

When you look at some famous unsolved cases it is usually because LE's in charge get their minds made up that it happened one way or it could only be one person.

The Green River Killings come to mind. The lead investigator kept being "shut down" by his boss who would only believe it was "one person."

I like to think outside of the box, a lot, for people who don't do that..well I drive them nuts at times. LOL

[RoseRed]

Nancy for whatever reason was no longer "wanted." Perhaps he and the "affair woman" both decided to dump their spouses. Maybe, lets say, hers left but Nancy wasn't as easy to get rid of. Now they begin to talk about getting rid of her.

But you are forgetting Nancy wanted to leave but he hid the passports for the children. Nancy , according to HER family, had wanted to leave for months so why kill her to just get rid of her.

[miss lisa]

This has been running though my mind, what exactly tripped Brad's switch?
What made him cross the line? What made him not weigh the consequences of being a suspected murderer, and think it was worth it?
A phone call while Nancy was at the party. Maybe something as simple as a secretary confirming an appointment with an attorney on ?. A husband of Nancy's circle giving him a heads up the women were plotting against him. A phone call, that's my theory, that caused her death on that particular night.

I don't buy the painting the dining room and then organizing Nancy's home story. Way to much work for one day.
IMO

I agree that's alot of work. PERHAPS...just perhaps nancy had just gotten her OWN place that BC didn't know about. MAYBE that was where Nancy and her friend was gonna do all that work on Saturday. Maybe Nancy told him she had her own place when she returned from the party. Could be another reason for all he!! breaking loose...

[headndownstream]

I think that when Nancy returned from Hilton Head, after being lovingly supported by her family, after telling them all about how unhappy she was, after being given lots of advise and encouragement to take the next big step (leaving the house with her children); I believe Nancy returned to Cary with a new mindset and attitude. I believe she became empowered. Brad had to see this immediately, knew things were definitely at a head. He probably started facing how his plans were getting all messed up, short term and medium term goals were going up in smoke. He probably had been brooding for a few days. The reality of the mess he had made of their marriage was sitting on a plate in front of him like steaming poo.

I do think that with Nancy's new attitude, she started verbalizing and showing her strength and will. He knew it was about over. She probably was looking for another place to live and her friends were helping her. I'd expect her family pledged money to help her do this.

I have wondered if she struck the first blow? Threw something? Threw several things? I hope LE compare pictures of the inside of the home before and after to see what heavy object could have DNA on it, or is missing or damaged. It is probably an object that was close and easy to grab. I imagine she was killed within a few minutes of returning home. That's my theory...

[KTaylorsc]

Hi all. I don't comment much but I have been keeping up with some of the threads.

My theory is...

Nancy, not feeling well and being tired, returned from the party earlier than Brad expected. She came home and found Brad and his "lover" She told Brad she was leaving and taking the kids. There was a struggle and Brad or possibly even the mistress killed her. Brad loaded her body in the car and took it to dump while the mistress cleaned up and watched over the children.

another is, and I do beleive that Brad killed her but...
Maybe Nancy did go out for a jog. Even though she had some places she routinely went, maybe she felt she didn't have enough time before meeting her friend or maybe with her being tired and not feeling well from the party the night before she wanted to stay close to home. By some chance it was a stranger...

now you all know why I don't post that often *LOL*

[curiositycat]

But you are forgetting Nancy wanted to leave but he hid the passports for the children. Nancy , according to HER family, had wanted to leave for months so why kill her to just get rid of her.
I have noticed that these guys all want to keep the children. Hiding their passports could have been wanting to keep the girls too. Perhaps.

[curiositycat]

Hi all. I don't comment much but I have been keeping up with some of the threads.

My theory is...

Nancy, not feeling well and being tired, returned from the party earlier than Brad expected. She came home and found Brad and his "lover" She told Brad she was leaving and taking the kids. There was a struggle and Brad or possibly even the mistress killed her. Brad loaded her body in the car and took it to dump while the mistress cleaned up and watched over the children.

another is, and I do beleive that Brad killed her but...
Maybe Nancy did go out for a jog. Even though she had some places she routinely went, maybe she felt she didn't have enough time before meeting her friend or maybe with her being tired and not feeling well from the party the night before she wanted to stay close to home. By some chance it was a stranger...

now you all know why I don't post that often *LOL*

Please post more! Your thoughts are good ones and you never know who may come up with the real theory here.

[curiositycat]

I think that when Nancy returned from Hilton Head, after being lovingly supported by her family, after telling them all about how unhappy she was, after being given lots of advise and encouragement to take the next big step (leaving the house with her children); I believe Nancy returned to Cary with a new mindset and attitude. I believe she became empowered. Brad had to see this immediately, knew things were definitely at a head. He probably started facing how his plans were getting all messed up, short term and medium term goals were going up in smoke. He probably had been brooding for a few days. The reality of the mess he had made of their marriage was sitting on a plate in front of him like steaming poo.

I do think that with Nancy's new attitude, she started verbalizing and showing her strength and will. He knew it was about over. She probably was looking for another place to live and her friends were helping her. I'd expect her family pledged money to help her do this.

I have wondered if she struck the first blow? Threw something? Threw several things? I hope LE compare pictures of the inside of the home before and after to see what heavy object could have DNA on it, or is missing or damaged. It is probably an object that was close and easy to grab. I imagine she was killed within a few minutes of returning home. That's my theory...

Yours, too, is a great one. I had thought about the fact that she had come back from Hilton Head with renewed strength to leave the marriage.
Great theory!

[headndownstream]

The passports only kept her in the US for now, but couldn't stop her from getting another residence, could they? I think her parents would support her financially to make this move. I read that she couldn't work in the US?? but don't remember the details and don't know a thing about that.

What I said about her throwing something, I meant as a reaction to something, not just out of the blue of course.

[headndownstream]

I agree that's alot of work. PERHAPS...just perhaps nancy had just gotten her OWN place that BC didn't know about. MAYBE that was where Nancy and her friend was gonna do all that work on Saturday. Maybe Nancy told him she had her own place when she returned from the party. Could be another reason for all he!! breaking loose...

I just thought....maybe they were going to start painting Nancy's new place?

[momto3kids]

I think that when Nancy returned from Hilton Head, after being lovingly supported by her family, after telling them all about how unhappy she was, after being given lots of advise and encouragement to take the next big step (leaving the house with her children); I believe Nancy returned to Cary with a new mindset and attitude. I believe she became empowered. Brad had to see this immediately, knew things were definitely at a head. He probably started facing how his plans were getting all messed up, short term and medium term goals were going up in smoke. He probably had been brooding for a few days. The reality of the mess he had made of their marriage was sitting on a plate in front of him like steaming poo.

I do think that with Nancy's new attitude, she started verbalizing and showing her strength and will. He knew it was about over. She probably was looking for another place to live and her friends were helping her. I'd expect her family pledged money to help her do this.

I have wondered if she struck the first blow? Threw something? Threw several things? I hope LE compare pictures of the inside of the home before and after to see what heavy object could have DNA on it, or is missing or damaged. It is probably an object that was close and easy to grab. I imagine she was killed within a few minutes of returning home. That's my theory...

I have to say your theory is very close to mine.
I will add I do not feel it was premeditated. If he thought it thru he would have taken her to Regency where she was known to jog. There is so much construction going on near the lake and so much wooded land he could have made this look like a random act that occured while she jogged.
I don't believe she walked in on him Friday nite since she was 100' from her own front door.
The break ins occuring around the area have been coming in spurts for the past 3 yrs. Purses, laptops, GPS's are the items they are looking for. The ones committing these crimes are supposedly only doing cars that are unlocked and in the early morning hrs before daylight.
At first I wondered if Nancy came home from the party to see someone in her car, confronted them, it turned to violence. But, Brad told what she was wearing to go jogging and at what time. So my theory is gone regarding a thief.
My kids are always going to the lake to walk, meet friends at the pier, or to swim. There is just no alert going on as it would be if this were a random act. I have to say that speaks volume.
Lochmere is a huge subdivision. It contains approx. 1400 homes. Pools, lakes, tennis courts, jogging trails, woods, etc. Just imagine all the females and children living there if there is danger lurking and not being alerted.

So my theory is this....IMO Brad is involved. He blew when she came in Friday nite. She finally stood up to him with her new found energy and encouragement from her family. He was not prepared for this at all.
He was already furious because of the call he received at home when Adams called looking for NC, casually mentioned painting Sat. Brad didn't know about the painting and realized he had the girls Friday nite, Sat morning and now Sat afternoon. This would encroach on his time and plans! Nancy had a glass of wine at the party, said some things that angered him further, triggering a physical reaction.

My reason behind this is...what friend needs to call at 10:30pm to confirm painting for 2pm the next day? One that has concern because of a certain tone, or a statement said when she called earlier that evening. She tossed it around to tell NC or not, and decided to call Nancy so she could be prepared for an angry Brad. This call was not about a flight out of RDU at 6am which would warrant the call. Nancy is an early riser and this friend had to know she could confirm painting early Sat morning.
I feel Adams is the link to all this, especially because of her call to NC and to the police.

[NCBanker]

My reason behind this is...what friend needs to call at 10:30pm to confirm painting for 2pm the next day? One that has concern because of a certain tone, or a statement said when she called earlier that evening. She tossed it around to tell NC or not, and decided to call Nancy so she could be prepared for an angry Brad. This call was not about a flight out of RDU at 6am which would warrant the call. Nancy is an early riser and this friend had to know she could confirm painting early Sat morning.
I feel Adams is the link to all this, especially because of her call to NC and to the police.

Very perceptive - I think you're right on the money with that theory.

[momto3kids]

NCBANKER...I might be close but hope not to be too close with my theory, or I have scared myself. I have thought this thru so many times. By living here and knowing the subdivision, the breakins, etc it does give us who live here more insight of why some things could have or couldn't have happened.
The one thing I can't shake is why Adams felt so compelled to call at 10:30pm and immediately call CPD when she was missing on Saturday?

[stillblv]

I have noticed that these guys all want to keep the children. Hiding their passports could have been wanting to keep the girls too. Perhaps.


I definitely believe that this is not because they really want to have custody and raise the kids - rather, it's for control. Men know that they can control their wives by threatening harm to the kids or saying that they'll never allow the wife to "have" the children. That is why we see so many incidents of men taking the children and killing them. Their biggest motivation is to hurt the spouse.

And though most often it is the husband, I live in the town and knew the woman who murdered her 3 children, I believe, to spite her husband.

[headndownstream]

So my theory is this....IMO Brad is involved. He blew when she came in Friday nite. She finally stood up to him with her new found energy and encouragement from her family. He was not prepared for this at all.
He was already furious because of the call he received at home when Adams called looking for NC, casually mentioned painting Sat.

Brad didn't know about the painting and realized he had the girls Friday nite, Sat morning and now Sat afternoon. This would encroach on his time and plans! Nancy had a glass of wine at the party, said some things that angered him further, triggering a physical reaction.

My reason behind this is...what friend needs to call at 10:30pm to confirm painting for 2pm the next day? One that has concern because of a certain tone, or a statement said when she called earlier that evening. She tossed it around to tell NC or not, and decided to call Nancy so she could be prepared for an angry Brad. This call was not about a flight out of RDU at 6am which would warrant the call. Nancy is an early riser and this friend had to know she could confirm painting early Sat morning.
I feel Adams is the link to all this, especially because of her call to NC and to the police.

Mom, is it speculation that Adams called Nancy's house Friday evening?, or is it a fact?

Regardless, we are on the same page.

[headndownstream]

The one thing I can't shake is why did Adams felt so compelled to call at 10:30pm and immediately call CPD when she was missing on Saturday?

Eggs-actally!!!

[SleuthyGal]

yeah that's an intriguing theory for sure. Eventually (hopefully) the truth will emerge.

For all the speculation that BC is a 'meticulous' person I would say not so much in this particular case.

A 'meticulous' killer would make sure to have absolutely NO forensic evidence that could ever include him. S/he would make sure the method of murder could not be traced back to him/her in anyway. There would literally be no physical evidence linking him/her to the crime scene or wherever. S/he would make sure that they had an airtight alibi, they were hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away and there were no accomplices that could/would talk. Of course a really meticulous killer would never ever talk about wishing their wife/husband was dead, or do anything to raise suspicion before or afterwards. And if they were lucky enough to get away with their crime they wouldn't turn around anytime within the next 3 years and marry the girlfriend or start living large on any life insurance funds.

These dudes usually don't get away with it because they always seem to: have a honey on the side, have trouble in the rel'p that others know about, threaten their spouse in some way, act 'hinky' when the spouse goes missing or is found...they give themselves away on multiple levels just through their behavior. And thank goodness for that.

I cringe to think of the Peterson men, the Entwistles, the Hackings, or the Cutts' of this world getting away with their heinous crimes.

[momto3kids]

headndownstream....I think the 10:30 call is speculation, but put it in my theory since it is very possible it occured like some suggested. Like everyone on here, I am speculating and putting my theory on the table.

What do you mean eggs? I am missing what you mean by this.

[mahmoo]

momto3kids here is a link to a story Clint Van Zandt wrote.

From the link:

No one other than Brad Cooper is known to have come forward to say they saw Nancy after she left a Friday night neighborhood party that she attended alone, although a friend spoke to her on the phone at 10:30 p.m. that same evening.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25723445/

[momto3kids]

mahmoo.... Thanks so much for the link. I thought it had been published.

[Magister]

momto3kids here is a link to a story Clint Van Zandt wrote.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25723445/

The phone call at the party was also widely reported during the initial search. I guess it "proved" that she had every intention of helping paint and had not changed her mind, as of late on the previous evening.

There never has been any mention of Jessica calling the house on Friday evening, though it has been theorized here, but she obviously didn't tell the police or local media because it wasn't mentioned in the initial stories, nor has she said it to anyone else.

ETA: Upon reflection, I also think that it was reported by the Chief at one of her early 7/14 press conferences. I re-watched all three this morning to pull quotes for my post about semantics and now that I think about it, I believe she may have also referenced it, but I can't be sure. Though, once again, I do know the 10:30 call has been reported by legitimate media, since day one.

[EnvoyDriver61]

Brad didn't know about the painting and realized he had the girls Friday nite, Sat morning and now Sat afternoon.

Another very perceptive part of mom's post. A person like Brad, consumed with himself, would view weekend's as "his" time. And, he would think that Nancy just had a vacation, why does she need all this time to herself.

A "player" such as himself would not enjoy being viewed as a babysitter, which many men in general, and one like Brad in particular in my opinion, would view his weekend as. Never mind they are his own kids. One or two hours tops would be the amount of his doing paternal duty. Any more and it is beneath him.

[panthera]

Another very perceptive part of mom's post. A person like Brad, consumed with himself, would view weekend's as "his" time. And, he would think that Nancy just had a vacation, why does she need all this time to herself.

A "player" such as himself would not enjoy being viewed as a babysitter, which many men in general, and one like Brad in particular in my opinion, would view his weekend as. Never mind they are his own kids. One or two hours tops would be the amount of his doing paternal duty. Any more and it is beneath him.
I can't see many men who work 40hrs a week wanting to spend their weekend babysitting their 2 & 4 y/o daughters, especially a man who was having marital problems and alleged to be having an affair with another woman. Most of the time these guys don't even show up for court scheduled visitation after the separation/divorce! If Brad was as controlling as it's been suggested, I'm very surprised he wasn't livid when she didn't show up Saturday morning after jogging! So, to me, that means he wasn't expecting her to. MOO :)

[curiositycat]

I can't see many men who work 40hrs a week wanting to spend their weekend babysitting their 2 & 4 y/o daughters, especially a man who was having marital problems and alleged to be having an affair with another woman. Most of the time these guys don't even show up for court scheduled visitation after the separation/divorce! If Brad was as controlling as it's been suggested, I'm very surprised he wasn't livid when she didn't show up Saturday morning after jogging! So, to me, that means he wasn't expecting her to. MOO :)
YOU ARE RIGHT!!! Thanks for pointing that out. I hadn't really thought of it. GREAT CATCH!!:blowkiss:

[curiositycat]

I definitely believe that this is not because they really want to have custody and raise the kids - rather, it's for control. Men know that they can control their wives by threatening harm to the kids or saying that they'll never allow the wife to "have" the children. That is why we see so many incidents of men taking the children and killing them. Their biggest motivation is to hurt the spouse.

And though most often it is the husband, I live in the town and knew the woman who murdered her 3 children, I believe, to spite her husband.
You are exactly right. It is a control thing. They see the children as "possessions" and also I have found that these guys have a need to always "WIN"

[Zeke]

An additional possibility:

While NC was at the neighborhood gathering, Bradley found information in the house or on her computer regarding plans to leave with the girls.

He confronts her with the information that night when she returned home.

[Sewing_Buddy]

I don't buy the painting the dining room and then organizing Nancy's home story. Way to much work for one day.
IMO

The friend didn't say they were going to do both activities the same day. I do think the plan to paint the next day is important because BC wasn't expecting someone to check on Nancy so early in the day and that caught him off guard with a story.
He was probably hoping he could make excuses and not raise concern about Nancy for the whole weekend. IF someone had found the body before he even reported her missing....hmmmmm it would have been a whole different twist! IMO

[n-honor]

The friend didn't say they were going to do both activities the same day. I do think the plan to paint the next day is important because BC wasn't expecting someone to check on Nancy so early in the day and that caught him off guard with a story.
He was probably hoping he could make excuses and not raise concern about Nancy for the whole weekend. IF someone had found the body before he even reported her missing....hmmmmm it would have been a whole different twist! IMO

Hi - been reading here since thread one and finally had to register. What follows is inquiry and highly speculative opinion and theories that I respectfully submit to what seems like a really sincere and polite group of posters.



Here goes:



Inquiry - It's been established that NC had her cell phone w/her at the party and did not have it with her while "running". Has there been any official report indicating where her cell phone was found - whether it was in the house, the car, her purse? Has anyone other than BC (one of her running partners maybe) commented whether it was NC's normal routine not to take it w/her running? Seems very odd that she would take it with her to a party across the street and not with her running.



Inquiry - Several posters commented that it didn't seem suspicious that the Louis Vitton bag was in the car but,.. if cars in the area had reportedly been broken into (saw that from another poster) it seems odd that NC would leave her purse in the car. Again, wonder if this was NC's normal routine? Perhaps BC was planning to scatter the contents and changed his mind. (??) Maybe it wasn't even NC's bag (??)



Inquiry - Has there been any report of what time the party ended? NC may not have been the last to leave - friends may have been in the neighborhood for a while. Minimally, someone may have seen lights on or noted whether one or both cars were in the driveway.



Theory - Regarding the full day of work planned for Saturday - agree with Sewing Buddy. First impression was that the painting was scheduled for Saturday but not necessarily the organizing,.. the house organization may have been a future commitment or even a Sunday activity. Planning it for Sunday would make certain that NC would not be home alone with BC. IMHO Seemed like NC was trying to fill her own weekend schedule to position herself either away from BC or in the supervised company of friends - especially if she had just made an announcement of plans to leave.



Theory - NC comes home from a nice visit with her family, tells BC of her plans for an official separation and then goes to the party where she is surrounded by friends. She tells some people she's not feeling well because she's emotionally drained from having just made her declaration and she's not ready to share her experience with a crowd at a party. (** pure speculation **) The entire time NC is at the party, BC is building up anger because he cannot control any of this - his "image" and plan for his financial future is about to crumble. When NC gets home, BC waits until NC is asleep (less confrontation, less activity in the neighborhood) then either tries to suffocate her or wakes her to engage in an argument (catching her off-guard). Her death may have been an "accidental" result of some twisted attempt at intimidation. By then, it may have been 3am and the neighborhood would probably be quiet.



IMO - BC was involved or responsible for NCs death. Maybe this rambling will help someone to remember something small that would under normal circumstances have been insignificant or meaningless.



Sorry for the long post - just trying to make sense of this selfish, senseless, shameless act.

[Magister]

Jessica told the police that she called Nancy at the party and this was widely reported from the start. She has never said that she called the house and it wasn't until a few minutes ago, when I ran his name through AnyWho that I knew whether or not, Brad and Nancy even had a landline. After all, a lot of people from their generation have been doing away with their landlines and going totally wireless.

Still, though they have a landline, a lot of people in their thirties live on their cell and besides the fact that there's never been anything to indicate that Jessica called the house (including her own words), we actually don't have an idea, whether Nancy ever received any calls from anyone on her wire-based phone. (Do they have the landline just to get cheaper DSL?)


Now, the theory is being advanced that though we have no reason, whatsoever to believe that the first call actually took place, it could've been the straw that broke the camel's back because it told Brad that he'd have to babysit on Saturday and apparently just like "men don't do laundry", men also don't want to be responsible for their children and often resent spending time with them.


In addition to all of the cultural and generational questions this theory might raise, it has been widely reported that Nancy and Jessica met each other through their children's preschool. I'm a father of young children and some time ago, a lot of my family's socializing started to revolve around playdates, birthday parties, trips to the zoo and other things geared toward the kids.

Apparently, Jessica and Brent have at least one child, a similar age to Brad and Nancy; Supposedly, Jessica was Nancy's "best friend" and back when this was a missing person case, Brent was reportedly Brad's.

My wife and I have a similar situation with another family in town; they have children my kids' age, we do many of the same activities, our kids have frequent playdates, they go to the same school and because we've spent so much time with this family over the past six years, the wife has become my wife's best friend, their children have become my children's and I have to say that the husband is probably the closest thing that I have to a best friend in this god-forsaken corner of nowhere.

IOW: There's been nothing to indicate that Nancy wasn't going to take her kids to Jessica's for a playdate, while the two women painted. It'd actually might have been a little selfish, if Nancy was going over to her kid's best friend's house and not take them.

[fran]

Hello n-honor and welcome to Websleuths! :)

I like your theory of NC telling Brad upon her return from her visit with family, she wanted a separation. While she's away he seethes and anger builds and when she returns. Well, maybe not intentional, but the result was the same, IMO.

Magister

I won't address your entire post but I would like to ask you something. Have you ever tried to paint with three or four little ones running around playing? Like, you must care for them, feed them, stop little tiffs, make sure they're staying out of trouble, that they're content?

It doesn't work. Take the word of a mom who raised 6 kids. It's even difficult if they're even up, much less having to be sure they stay out of the paint etc. When mine were small, I would stay up all night painting or wall papering. I didn't even begin until everyone was fast asleep....course, that's just me.

JMHO
fran

[Magister]

I won't address your entire post but I would like to ask you something. Have you ever tried to paint with three or four little ones running around playing? Like, you must care for them, feed them, stop little tiffs, make sure they're staying out of trouble, that they're content?

I've been redoing my roof over the course of this summer (with my oldest home from school) and I've done extensive remodeling work with both my kids around, including painting the kitchen and a couple of other rooms, plumbing, etc. And, it's actually easier when there's other kids over for a playdate because then they can occupy themselves much better and Daddy's help isn't as often required.

I have a kid in early elementary and a boy who is just getting past toddler. Our "best friends" now have four kids, but one is still a baby. When she had just two, our female best friend completely gutted and totally remodeled her house, room-by-room, including everything imaginable and after she had the third kid, they bought a building and completely remodeled the restaurant.

Now, she'd occasionally hire someone for the big jobs (roof on the house, plumbing, updating the wiring in her business), but she did most of the grunt work herself and I'm sure that she'd also tell you that it's easier, when the kids are otherwise occupied.

BTW: Nancy had two kids and I don't know how many Jessica has, but there could've been only three children underfoot and if Nancy didn't bring hers, one could assume that Jessica's would still be home and would thus require more attention.


(Oh, and none of this is to say that not having the kids around wouldn't be easier, but making the assumption that Nancy wouldn't have brought hers is making one heck of a leap. After all, the Adams live in a nice neighborhood with ample-sized yards and houses)
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ETA: I don't know if their kid's preschool is more of a daycare-like place or if it follows a traditional calendar; Half(?) the schools in Wake County are year-round and their preschool could've been year-round, so Saturday might've been the perfect day for a playdate.

I also don't know that Brent wasn't planning to take the kids to Pullen Park. We really don't have any of this information.

We also have no reason to believe that Jessica called the house and thinking that Brad learned late on Friday night, he'd have to babysit actually seems like the least likely scenario. I mean, I know that when I'm expecting my wife to be home, but instead she's going out and I'll be needed for the kids, I'm usually informed before the actual event, so that I don't make other plans.

[SleuthyGal]

If Brad was as controlling as it's been suggested, I'm very surprised he wasn't livid when she didn't show up Saturday morning after jogging! So, to me, that means he wasn't expecting her to. MOO :)

That is a FANTASTIC observation! YES! A guy who's got a lot going on wants to be out doing it (esp. when it's all about HIM).

I have a friend who has a really selfish hubby and they have 1 child, 3 yr old, and she does 95% of the childcare and boy, when we go out he's calling and whining to her "when you gonna come homeeeee." This guy can't wait to palm off his child so he can be off doing his various hobbies. In fact even the one or 2 times we went out of town on a mini vacation, he started calling her to come back and he had the grandparents nearby helping him out.

So in this case, not only is Brad Cooper not livid that his wife hasn't come back, he's not even concerned, and he's not the one who's looking for her or calling to find her. INTERESTING! Obviously the reason for any lack of being either angry or concerned: he knew she wasn't coming back. GOTCHA BRAD!

[headndownstream]

headndownstream....I think the 10:30 call is speculation, but put it in my theory since it is very possible it occured like some suggested. Like everyone on here, I am speculating and putting my theory on the table.

What do you mean eggs? I am missing what you mean by this.

Oh nothing, just 'said' it big to say I agreed.

[momto3kids]

It is hard to have small children running around while painting. Not impossible, but difficult.
So another possible theory..... Jessica called NC at the party to say her husband had a previous obligation she had forgotten about. Jessica asked if Brad would also watch her child and/or children. Nancy said she couldn't see why not, he already was babysitting and an extra to play with Bella would be great. NC went home Friday nite to tell BC what she had agreed to...BC just got another child added to his babysitting duties. He goes bonkers on her!

[Magister]

It is hard to have small children running around while painting. Not impossible, but difficult.

I've painted my kitchen, cabinets, several ceilings and other rooms with my children underfoot, as has our "best friend". We've also done tilework, hung sheetrock and have completed other tasks. And, I'll tell you, compared to completely redoing a roof (up and down a ladder to change pull-ups, kiss boo-boos, etc), painting was a peice of cake.

(That's why as often as possible, I've let my daughter invite a friend over to keep them distracted)

[Magister]

After listening to Jessica's 911 call, it sounds as if Nancy was one to live by cell, so I interpret this to mean that she was unlikely to have called on the landline. Therefore in my mind, I interpret this to rule out her alerting Brad about babysitting and I'll go even further to say that Brad probably didn't know that Nancy and the kids were going to Jessica's.

I also think that it's safe to assume that some of the earlier theories about the phone call being a way to check whether Nancy was home, so that Jessica could sneak over to Brad's for a quick tryst can be eliminated.


But, I will say that from the tone and language of the 911 call, I do tend to put some credence toward the idea that the word "organize" could've been an indirect reference by law enforcement toward Nancy preparing to move into an apartment, without tipping their hand to Brad about how much they knew.

Perhaps her parents had given her some money on Hilton Head and she had spent the previous week touring complexes. Maybe she had even signed a lease on Friday and Jessica's call to the party was when she knew Nancy wouldn't be home, so that she could privately find out whether she had signed a lease and whether she had told Brad.

And quite possibly, Nancy told Brad that she was moving before the gathering, but I actually lean more toward her telling him afterward (maybe after a couple of glasses of conviction) and upon hearing the news, Brad might have struck her and either his ironman strength was too much, maybe she accidently fell down the stairs, or perhaps she fatally hit her head on the corner of some furniture all of which might have caused him to panic and to feel the need to cover-up her death.

I don't know, but that's what I got from my initial listens to the 911 call.
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ETA: Now, hours later, I've fleshed this theory out a little further with some analysis (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2406595&postcount=20) that I've posted to the "911" subforum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67787).

(Linked to avoid cross-posting)

[raisincharlie]

After listening to Jessica's 911 call, it sounds as if Nancy was one to live by cell, so I interpret this to mean that she was unlikely to have called on the landline. Therefore in my mind, I interpret this to rule out her alerting Brad about babysitting and I'll go even further to say that Brad probably didn't know that Nancy and the kids were going to Jessica's.

I also think that it's safe to assume that some of the earlier theories about the phone call being a way to check whether Nancy was home, so that Jessica could sneak over to Brad's for a quick tryst can be eliminated.


But, I will say that from the tone and language of the 911 call, I do tend to put some credence toward the idea that the word "organize" could've been an indirect reference by law enforcement toward Nancy preparing to move into an apartment, without tipping their hand to Brad about how much they knew.

Perhaps her parents had given her some money on Hilton Head and she had spent the previous week touring complexes. Maybe she had even signed a lease on Friday and Jessica's call to the party was when she knew Nancy wouldn't be home, so that she could privately find out whether she had signed a lease and whether she had told Brad.

And quite possibly, Nancy told Brad that she was moving before the gathering, but I actually lean more toward her telling him afterward (maybe after a couple of glasses of conviction) and upon hearing the news, Brad might have struck her and either his ironman strength was too much, maybe she accidently fell down the stairs, or perhaps she fatally hit her head on the corner of some furniture all of which might have caused him to panic and to feel the need to cover-up her death.

I don't know, but that's what I got from my initial listens to the 911 call.

I think it is possible that the Saturday Nancy was reported missing was indeed her day to move and quite possibly Jessica was going to help her with that at the new place. I also think it is possible that Brad knew Nancy was leaving that weekend, well before she was to do so. The word "organize" has always sounded to me as though Nancy had some place to be other than in the same residence with Brad and she was preparing to put that in place.

[sues]

It is hard to have small children running around while painting. Not impossible, but difficult.
So another possible theory..... Jessica called NC at the party to say her husband had a previous obligation she had forgotten about. Jessica asked if Brad would also watch her child and/or children. Nancy said she couldn't see why not, he already was babysitting and an extra to play with Bella would be great. NC went home Friday nite to tell BC what she had agreed to...BC just got another child added to his babysitting duties. He goes bonkers on her!

This seems unlikely to me. Given the circumstances Jessica knew about, no way would she let Brad babysit her kids.

Also, I don't think BC knew about the 8am plans with Jessica. If he had, he wouldn't have made up the 7 am jogging story.

I also agree with Magister that it would be certainly possible for her kids to come help paint. Pop a DVD in, problem solved.

[RoughlyCollie]

It could be that Mrs. Adam's husband had agreed to watch all the kids while the ladies painted.

I clearly remember doing all painting in the middle of the night and at the crack of dawn when my kids were small.

The one time I painted during the day, my 2 year old got away from my husband (who was watching the kids on another floor of the house), dipped her hands in white enamel paint and splattered it all over the play room floor.

It is difficult to accomplish anything major or messy (and painting is both) with toddlers around -- unless another adult is watching the kids very closely.

We don't know where BC is right now, but after hearing that 911 call, I'd wager he is not staying with the Adams.

Respectfully,
RC

This seems unlikely to me. Given the circumstances Jessica knew about, no way would she let Brad babysit her kids.

Also, I don't think BC knew about the 8am plans with Jessica. If he had, he wouldn't have made up the 7 am jogging story.

I also agree with Magister that it would be certainly possible for her kids to come help paint. Pop a DVD in, problem solved.

[sunflowers]

After listening to Jessica's 911 call, it sounds as if Nancy was one to live by cell, so I interpret this to mean that she was unlikely to have called on the landline. Therefore in my mind, I interpret this to rule out her alerting Brad about babysitting and I'll go even further to say that Brad probably didn't know that Nancy and the kids were going to Jessica's.

I also think that it's safe to assume that some of the earlier theories about the phone call being a way to check whether Nancy was home, so that Jessica could sneak over to Brad's for a quick tryst can be eliminated.


But, I will say that from the tone and language of the 911 call, I do tend to put some credence toward the idea that the word "organize" could've been an indirect reference by law enforcement toward Nancy preparing to move into an apartment, without tipping their hand to Brad about how much they knew.

Perhaps her parents had given her some money on Hilton Head and she had spent the previous week touring complexes. Maybe she had even signed a lease on Friday and Jessica's call to the party was when she knew Nancy wouldn't be home, so that she could privately find out whether she had signed a lease and whether she had told Brad.

And quite possibly, Nancy told Brad that she was moving before the gathering, but I actually lean more toward her telling him afterward (maybe after a couple of glasses of conviction) and upon hearing the news, Brad might have struck her and either his ironman strength was too much, maybe she accidently fell down the stairs, or perhaps she fatally hit her head on the corner of some furniture all of which might have caused him to panic and to feel the need to cover-up her death.

I don't know, but that's what I got from my initial listens to the 911 call.

Totally agree. I would think it would likely have been a conversation after the party involving something *BIG* and unusually upsetting that could have caused B to lose it, if that indeed did occur. N finding an apartment would fit that category of being something much bigger than the "normal" topics of tension & stress. JMO

[raisincharlie]

Totally agree. I would think it would likely have been a conversation after the party involving something *BIG* and unusually upsetting that could have caused B to lose it, if that indeed did occur. N finding an apartment would fit that category of being something much bigger than the "normal" topics of tension & stress. JMO

I would agree, Nancy actually departing the residence could be the "big" issue that arose. Brad already knew she intended to leave, had known since March when Nancy retained consul, even confiscated the children's passports, however she had not yet left before her murder. It is very possible that upon returning from a vacation with her family, she had decided it was time. The custody filing makes it plain that he was abusive by yelling and belittling her in front of the children - her leaving would remove all of his thunder and, control.

[panthera]

That is a FANTASTIC observation! YES! A guy who's got a lot going on wants to be out doing it (esp. when it's all about HIM).

I have a friend who has a really selfish hubby and they have 1 child, 3 yr old, and she does 95% of the childcare and boy, when we go out he's calling and whining to her "when you gonna come homeeeee." This guy can't wait to palm off his child so he can be off doing his various hobbies. In fact even the one or 2 times we went out of town on a mini vacation, he started calling her to come back and he had the grandparents nearby helping him out.

So in this case, not only is Brad Cooper not livid that his wife hasn't come back, he's not even concerned, and he's not the one who's looking for her or calling to find her. INTERESTING! Obviously the reason for any lack of being either angry or concerned: he knew she wasn't coming back. GOTCHA BRAD!
Thank you :) but it just makes sense to me, from what I know about these controlling types. Fortunately I'm not married to one, but have friends who've gone though marriages with them and this type of person instills such a fear and panic into their wife that the woman can't be 5 min. late home or else. For Brad to not even seem concerned that Nancy hadn't returned home, either shows he didn't care at all & isn't as domineering as some have said, or he is the one who killed her and knew she wouldn't be coming back.

[panthera]

I think it is possible that the Saturday Nancy was reported missing was indeed her day to move and quite possibly Jessica was going to help her with that at the new place. I also think it is possible that Brad knew Nancy was leaving that weekend, well before she was to do so. The word "organize" has always sounded to me as though Nancy had some place to be other than in the same residence with Brad and she was preparing to put that in place.
I think so too. What would she have to 'organize' at the house she shared with Brad? She was home there all day with the kids while he was at work and had plenty of time for that, even after being gone on her little vacation.

[excelguy]

If he had to buy cleaning supplies to clean up the mess from the attack, you'd think he would need to clean himself up first too. That would explain needing to do laundry at 4am. You can use laundry detergent to clean floors, but you can't use floor cleaner to clean clothing.

I have been thinking about the "detergent" for a couple of days. If it is indeed a reality that BC purchases detergent with bleach, IMO BC could have needed this to wash the clothes NC may have worn to the party (or PJs, or whatever).

If she died wearing those clothes instead of her jogging attire, (no matter what the cause of death) there would be bodily fluids present. Fluid on any NC clothing/bedding wouldn't jive with BCs story.

He thinks he is brilliant. He is wrong. I hope justice comes quickly. IMO

[RoughlyCollie]

Maybe she wanted to de-clutter, prior to moving out, or pack some stuff up to take. Or maybe she is not by nature an organized person and wanted help figuring out how to organize her stuff better -- there are lots of people like that, even stay-at-home moms. Although, if she was planning to move out, I don't think she'd be too concerned about having an organized home just to stay there and live with BC.

If Nancy or anyone close to her (friends or family) had any inkling this would happen to her, I don't think she would have returned from the vacation (assuming her girls went with her).

Respectfully,
RC

I think so too. What would she have to 'organize' at the house she shared with Brad? She was home there all day with the kids while he was at work and had plenty of time for that, even after being gone on her little vacation.

[RoughlyCollie]

Good points, excelguy. Certainly BC did not get rid of NC's clothing aside from what she was wearing when her body was found -- that's probably the first thing the cops asked about or looked for. A "smart murderer" would keep the clothing and try to clean it.

Hopefully the detergent would not have removed all signs of body fluids resulting from a murder.

Hopefully LE has found some evidence besides what we already know about.

Hopefully NC's body had evidence of what happened to her, and how, and from whom, still on it -- even though it laid out in the open for several days of heat, humidity and rain.

I wish they'd hurry up and arrest BC, if they are going to do it. The longer it takes, the more I worry about whether they will be able to procure enough probable cause to arrest him.

If BC didn't do, I hope LE figures out who did it and gets the goods on them, pronto.

My worries don't mean a thing though -- I always worry until the perp gets arrested, and then I worry during the jury deliberations.

Respectfully,
RC



If she died wearing those clothes instead of her jogging attire, (no matter what the cause of death) there would be bodily fluids present. Fluid on any NC clothing/bedding wouldn't jive with BCs story.

He thinks he is brilliant. He is wrong. I hope justice comes quickly. IMO

[Magister]

Maybe she wanted to de-clutter, prior to moving out, or pack some stuff up to take. Or maybe she is not by nature an organized person and wanted help figuring out how to organize her stuff better -- there are lots of people like that, even stay-at-home moms. Although, if she was planning to move out, I don't think she'd be too concerned about having an organized home just to stay there and live with BC.

I don't have any links onhand, but I'm 99% certain that the intial, local media reports used the word "clean" and it was the Chief who introduced "organize" during her first press conference, which was around the time that national media found the story.


On a similar note: I also recall video and a brief interview with Brent because he was heading-up the volunteer search which gave no hint that he had suspicions, back when this was still a local story and considering Jessica's 911 call, you might assume that the Adams and the PD had worked out some kind of "cover" for why Jessica had been looking for Nancy.

(Maybe Jessica and Nancy had come up with the "painting Jessica's kitchen story" earlier, perhaps as someone has said somewhere, Nancy's sister said that she had been painting for days. The quid quo pro of cleaning and/or organizing (the basement or the garage?) might've been spur of the moment from Jessica to Brad and the PD helped continue the lie.)

I don't know about these latter points, but I'm almost absolutely certain that "clean" was the description in the beginning.

[n-honor]

"Adam said that Cooper was supposed to join her Saturday morning at Adam’s house to help paint her dining room. The friends had a deal: Cooper was going to help paint; then Adam was going to help Cooper organize her house." http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1140988.html


Still think this sounds like NC had filled her weekend with activities that would ensure she was not alone w/BC. Speculating that if she was planning a move, the organization would be good to complete in advance - paint on Sat, organize on Sun. With two little ones, organizing toys, books, clothes isn't much of a strech. A move would be better completed during the week while BC was at work and kids at preschool. IMO

[Jess]

According to a local CTV newscast last week, it was reported that the sister , Jill Dean who still lives in Edmonton, said Nancy was planning to move with the girls to her sister's in Ottawa. That is the one and only time I have heard that statement.

[SleuthyGal]

I don't think anyone will ever know what prompted Nancy's murder...likely some kind of fight but who knows. There were only 2 people there at the time and one is dead and the other isn't talking.

You can come up with 1,000 theories but in the end who's to say for sure?

The bottom line is that Nancy was murdered, taken to that site, and left there to rot. She was in an unhappy marriage, about to separate, with 2 small kids, and her life was snuffed out and 2 little girls are left without their mommy.

This isn't rocket science. The husband is being looked at and will continue to be in the glare of LE's scope. He had the means, motive, and opportunity. This is a fairly typical case when you get right down to it. Not very fancy or elaborate...just your 'average' murder by an intimate of the victim. Unfortunately all too common these days, which is what makes it 'average.'

[raisincharlie]

According to a local CTV newscast last week, it was reported that the sister , Jill Dean who still lives in Edmonton, said Nancy was planning to move with the girls to her sister's in Ottawa. That is the one and only time I have heard that statement.

Makes sense to me - seems Nancy was very close to her twin. I suspect since Brad confiscated the children's passprts before, that any plan by Nancy to move to Ottawa would have been definitely not to his liking.

[SleuthyGal]

If you think about it...there was no outcome that would be especially pleasing to Brad Cooper.

1. He doesn't want Nancy to leave and take the kids away but

2. He doesn't want Nancy and

3. He probably did not want to (have to) take care of the kids by himself

So the guy is unhappily married, having an alleged affair, has 2 kids, pursuing his own interests, doesn't want the wife to leave WITH the kids. But I bet had she just left and left the kids with him he would have been enraged by that too.

It really was a 'no-win' situation where both parties could be at peace with the outcome.

[Just the Fax]

The neighborhood friends obviously were much closer to Nancy than Brad. She was invited to a fun get together, leaving him home to baby sit by his lonesome.
IMO, his anger mounted and when she walked in after midnight, his temper soared and in a fit of rage, he either struck her with a blunt object or strangled her with his bare hands.

[excelguy]

Speculation about the passports......

Is it possible NC could have used her father's connections to obtain new passports?

BC withheld passports as a power play to keep her from leaving.
The passports were found in NCs car.
NCs father is retired senior government official
NC just returned from meeting with family in HH Island

Is it possible her father was able to obtain duplicate/new passports. If so, NC could now leave.

Maybe BC found out he had lost his power play.......

[macd]

Earlier in the week, the trip to the store to buy laundry detergent made this look like an unplanned murder. He had to go shopping before he could clean up.

With the new affidavits, it now looks like the trips to the store could be part of an attempted alibi. He remotely initiated calls from the house to his cell phone as an attempt to make it look like NC was still alive at that time.

New theory: this was planned in advance, but the Cary PD apparently has seen through his ruse.

[n-honor]

One of NCs friends stated that NC was sleeping in a separate room and locked her bedroom door because she was fearful. Wonder if PD checked the locks - is there a way to see if an interior lock has been tampered with?

[boxy]

It appears that all of the theories here are versions of Brad did it. Certainly must be high on the list of possibilities. However, for a change of pace, let's try something else.

Theory: Nancy went for a run around 7 AM. While crossing a road, she was hit by a vehicle and either badly injured or killed. The driver panicked, put her body in the trunk and dumped her where she was found.

Blast away.

[panthera]

It appears that all of the theories here are versions of Brad did it. Certainly must be high on the list of possibilities. However, for a change of pace, let's try something else.

Theory: Nancy went for a run around 7 AM. While crossing a road, she was hit by a vehicle and either badly injured or killed. The driver panicked, put her body in the trunk and dumped her where she was found.

Blast away.
She'd have injuries consistent with being struck by a vehicle, and although we don't know the cause of death, it seems to me LE wouldn't be calling it a 'homicide' as in murder or searching his home, taking items with them. They'd be looking for a hit & run driver with front end damage to his/her vehicle instead, imo. :)

[gritguy]

It appears that all of the theories here are versions of Brad did it. Certainly must be high on the list of possibilities. However, for a change of pace, let's try something else.

Theory: Nancy went for a run around 7 AM. While crossing a road, she was hit by a vehicle and either badly injured or killed. The driver panicked, put her body in the trunk and dumped her where she was found.

Blast away.

No blasting, but it doesn't work for these reasons. First, I spent years cycling through Lochmere and on Holly Springs, which is the road NC would have had to cross to get to where she ended up. I have never seen anyone running on Holly Springs, due to no shoulders and heavy traffic. I became uncomfortable just cycling on it due to the traffic that has increased so much over the last few years. I had a car break down on it once, and that was scary just waiting for the tow truck to get there - fortunately I was able to drift down near the bridge that had enough room for me to get off. A lot of the road has no shoulder. Nobody would jog that thing. And if you did hit somebody on it you'd be a fool to come back if your intent was to hide the crime, b/c traffic is frequent on it.

On the other hand, Lochmere has greenways and sidewalks and even a cycling lane. If you're a runner, you'd have to work to get hit out there. Also, traffic is moderate and there are houses everywhere so picking someone up off the road would probably again be a no-go - especially at 7ish when every middle-aged person w/in miles is running around there.

So, in summary, I think the locations do not support that theory. Lochmere is safe for running (trafficwise), and frequented enough that killing somebody in the morning and picking up the body would be hard to miss. Plus, even if that did occur, the person would have to decide all that in an instant and then decide the place to put the body is just down the street - during daylight! wouldn't this driver wait til darkness?

It's good to cover the theories of course, but I think this one is not it. It is always possible, of course, that somebody came by in a van with a gun and got her to get inside, but I think that is not much of a possibility either since she seemed wisely to run with partners.

[SleuthyGal]

Theory: Nancy went for a run around 7 AM. While crossing a road, she was hit by a vehicle and either badly injured or killed. The driver panicked, put her body in the trunk and dumped her where she was found.

No witnesses of any kind...

LE would be putting out some kind of statement about injuries from a car accident and looking for the community's help with that, along with looking for the vehicle that hit her (damage to a vehicle), etc.

They would not use the term "homicide" to describe a hit and run.

And hit and runs well...hit then RUN! They don't stop to pick up their human road kill.

[Bob&Bob]

Maybe she choked on her gum and died.

[sues]

It appears that all of the theories here are versions of Brad did it. Certainly must be high on the list of possibilities. However, for a change of pace, let's try something else.

Theory: Nancy went for a run around 7 AM. While crossing a road, she was hit by a vehicle and either badly injured or killed. The driver panicked, put her body in the trunk and dumped her where she was found.

Blast away.

No blast here. I agree that some people are trying to figure out how BC could have faked stuff, rather than seeing anything as a possible alibi.

While I think most likely BC was involved, there isn't really any documented evidence we know of yet to point to him, other than that it is usually the husband!

I don't think you're scenario is likely. In a case like that, the person would hit and RUN, not transport the body elsewhere.

[boxy]

No blast here. I agree that some people are trying to figure out how BC could have faked stuff, rather than seeing anything as a possible alibi.

While I think most likely BC was involved, there isn't really any documented evidence we know of yet to point to him, other than that it is usually the husband!

I don't think you're scenario is likely. In a case like that, the person would hit and RUN, not transport the body elsewhere.

Y'all made quick work of that. Ocam's razor is going to cut Brad.

[SusieClue]

Earlier in the week, the trip to the store to buy laundry detergent made this look like an unplanned murder. He had to go shopping before he could clean up.

With the new affidavits, it now looks like the trips to the store could be part of an attempted alibi. He remotely initiated calls from the house to his cell phone as an attempt to make it look like NC was still alive at that time.

New theory: this was planned in advance, but the Cary PD apparently has seen through his ruse.

I've had the same change in thinking.

[piedmontmom]

OK--playing along and being devils advocate.

1.) Buying laundry detergent doesn't suggest cover up let alone murder. IMHO, I don't know of any detergent that successfully gets out blood or the friggin carolina dirt/clay mud that we have around here. One bottle would never do the trick. He says it didn't contain bleach...so IMHO it would even work less.

2.) She doesn't normally in in that area--well, I'd say how can you be sure? There have been several runners posting (or maybe it was a link ICR) saying that they don't always want to run the same path, just out of sheer boredom relief. I don't find it impossible that she might run there...she might have been curious about the new subd going in around her home, they are big houses and she has a documented interest in material things. Her jaunt on Holly Springs Road would have been less than 1/10 a mile to get to that neigborhood entrance, and early in the AM there would be typically less traffic on that road. I just wouldn't discount she could have been there on her own (in case it was the car gypy theory in some other thread...don't get mad comical relief).

ITA--it is an awful road to be on, I've seen bikers and have waited on them/trailed them weekly.

3.) Seems like an awful public place to dispose of a body...especially considering just a 1/10 of a mile in the opposite direction is a heavily, complete dense wooded and swampy area, that even has some bird watching trails on it (and I never see people parked there)...I travel Holly Springs Rd at least 5+ times daily at various times. I've mentioned in other posts how I thought this to be a public area in that people are looking for home lots to build on all the time...especially over the weekend and construction was going on. Some of the lots next to where they found her body have even sold...I'd surmise the buyers would be continually driving buy to check things out.

Again...just playing devils advocate. The detergent purchase, the atypical running route (if there were the case) are not slam dunks for me.

[SusieClue]

OK--playing along and being devils advocate.

1.) Buying laundry detergent doesn't suggest cover up let alone murder. IMHO, I don't know of any detergent that successfully gets out blood or the friggin carolina dirt/clay mud that we have around here. One bottle would never do the trick. He says it didn't contain bleach...so IMHO it would even work less.

2.) She doesn't normally in in that area--well, I'd say how can you be sure? There have been several runners posting (or maybe it was a link ICR) saying that they don't always want to run the same path, just out of sheer boredom relief. I don't find it impossible that she might run there...she might have been curious about the new subd going in around her home, they are big houses and she has a documented interest in material things. Her jaunt on Holly Springs Road would have been less than 1/10 a mile to get to that neigborhood entrance, and early in the AM there would be typically less traffic on that road. I just wouldn't discount she could have been there on her own (in case it was the car gypy theory in some other thread...don't get mad comical relief).

ITA--it is an awful road to be on, I've seen bikers and have waited on them/trailed them weekly.

3.) Seems like an awful public place to dispose of a body...especially considering just a 1/10 of a mile in the opposite direction is a heavily, complete dense wooded and swampy area, that even has some bird watching trails on it (and I never see people parked there)...I travel Holly Springs Rd at least 5+ times daily at various times. I've mentioned in other posts how I thought this to be a public area in that people are looking for home lots to build on all the time...especially over the weekend and construction was going on. Some of the lots next to where they found her body have even sold...I'd surmise the buyers would be continually driving buy to check things out.

Again...just playing devils advocate. The detergent purchase, the atypical running route (if there were the case) are not slam dunks for me.


Regarding the body placement. I have been trying to understand how it fits if Brad is the killer. Like I said, it was a quick place to get to for him while his girls were at home alone - him not wanting to be gone for long. But also, if we are to believe that he was doing some "staging" then he actually would WANT the body to be found so that his tricks might work. Remember how eager his lawyers were for details to be released about what she was wearing, cause of death etc. so they could rule out their client as a suspect? Just a thought. I'm not saying this is what happened, just one possibility.

[tarheelfan78]

Is it impossible to believe that if BC killed his wife that it was an accident. He called someone who helped cover it up. They were at the house with the kids which accounts for the juice call. I am hoping that by some fluke he did not kill his wife with the kids in the house. All the CE evidence and statisitics are making me feel like he did, but my gut is telling me that someone helped him. What was he doing while they were searching? Were his movements accounted for everyday before the discovery of NC's body? Could he have stashed her in the house and taken her to the drop spot later?

[CyberPro]

<SNIP>

Were his movements accounted for everyday before the discovery of NC's body? Could he have stashed her in the house and taken her to the drop spot later?

I gave this some thought earlier in the case. I wondered if the body was stashed in the garage or something. That would have been a terriffic risk, because when LE came knocking, and asked to look around, you do not know how much looking they are going to do. Pretty hard to explain how she went running when her body is stashed in a closet in the garage.

I also wondered if he did not find a way to slip away in the next day or so and dump the body, but I think there was too much commotion around for him to have been able to get away without someone noting it. Even if he went in the middle of the night, he could not be sure that the cops were not camped in the neighborhood.

Of course, it did not seem like he was making any special plans to notify LE of her being missing. It might have been his intial plan to wait and dump later, but I really think, (IMO, IF HE DID IT) that he did it before sunrise on Saturday.

CyberPro

[fran]

What really bothers me, was his abrupt 2nd conversation with Nancy's friend. (sorry, not good w/names) The one who Nancy was due to paint with.

When they talked the second time, by then she was very worried and Brad said he was just going to go look for her. The friend offered to come over and watch the girls while he looked. He quickly said I was just putting the girls in the car. He then hung up. (may have been a few more words spoken)

But my point is,.........he was TOO quick to get her off the phone, she didn't need to come over, and he was going to be gone. NO ONE HOME.

There's something about that. Can't put my finger on it, but I think it's relevant to the investigation.

WHERE DID HE GO just before LE showed up at his door?

JMHO
fran

PS>....Hmmmm....he couldn't have been taking a quick spin on by the {dump} sight to see if he could see any activity, ala Scott Peterson (and his many return trips to the Bay, BEFORE Laci was found?)

[macd]

Is it impossible to believe that if BC killed his wife that it was an accident. He called someone who helped cover it up. They were at the house with the kids which accounts for the juice call. I am hoping that by some fluke he did not kill his wife with the kids in the house. All the CE evidence and statisitics are making me feel like he did, but my gut is telling me that someone helped him. What was he doing while they were searching? Were his movements accounted for everyday before the discovery of NC's body? Could he have stashed her in the house and taken her to the drop spot later?

I agree that the killing was not an accident, but I don't think he needed an accomplice. A little benadryl for the kids to make sure they sleep in and a computer to dial the phone, is all he needed.

[Star12]

What really bothers me, was his abrupt 2nd conversation with Nancy's friend. (sorry, not good w/names) The one who Nancy was due to paint with.

When they talked the second time, by then she was very worried and Brad said he was just going to go look for her. The friend offered to come over and watch the girls while he looked. He quickly said I was just putting the girls in the car. He then hung up. (may have been a few more words spoken)

But my point is,.........he was TOO quick to get her off the phone, she didn't need to come over, and he was going to be gone. NO ONE HOME.

There's something about that. Can't put my finger on it, but I think it's relevant to the investigation.

WHERE DID HE GO just before LE showed up at his door?

JMHO
fran

PS>....Hmmmm....he couldn't have been taking a quick spin on by the {dump} sight to see if he could see any activity, ala Scott Peterson (and his many return trips to the Bay, BEFORE Laci was found?)

Didn't Brad say he had gone to Lifetime Fitness to ask the person there if Nancy had been there? And was driving over to Carrie Clark's condo?

[SleuthyGal]

One of the main reasons I don't think this crime was preplanned is because if it was, wouldn't Brad (or whoever the killer is) have secured ALL the cleaning products he might need ahead of time so that he didn't have to get 'detergent' at the store?

I can see needing to go to the store to get juice and milk...but going back for LAUNDRY DETERGENT? That just doesn't seem very smart to me...unless he really needed it for some reason and it couldn't wait till later on.

And I can't think of an innocent reason why he absolutely HAD TO have laundry detergent between 6am and 7am that day (and no, I do not believe he needed it to wash tennis clothes).

[Star12]

One of the main reasons I don't think this crime was preplanned is because if it was, wouldn't Brad (or whoever the killer is) have secured ALL the cleaning products he might need ahead of time so that he didn't have to get 'detergent' at the store?

I can see needing to go to the store to get juice and milk...but going back for LAUNDRY DETERGENT? That just doesn't seem very smart to me...unless he really needed it for some reason and it couldn't wait till later on.

And I can't think of an innocent reason why he absolutely HAD TO have laundry detergent between 6am and 7am that day (and no, I do not believe he needed it to wash tennis clothes).

SG I'm with you on this. No matter how close you are to the store, you don't just 'run out' to buy detergent when you see it's low, or gone. Gasoline is too expensive for that. And especially in the early morning, when the children are about to get up. So, let's assume they are slobby launderers, and perhaps Brad goes to the dryer to get clothes out for the girls to wear that day. He notices the soap is gone or nearly gone, drops the clothes and hollers out "hey Nancy, I'm going to HT for laundry detergent."

Okay, so if the clothing wasn't yet put away, and there was new stuff to wash, Nancy wanted to get a run in before going to Jessica's and Brad was going to play tennis, it makes no sense whatsoever to make a special trip for laundry soap. Pick it up on the way back from tennis.

Yeah, so I'm thinking there really was a 4 am-ish stop for cleaning supplies, then later perhaps a stop at a dumpster to toss a bleach bottle, then on to the store for milk or whatever, and perhaps a faked phone call.

And if there were a faked phone call from home, I don't think Brad would be fooling around with all that technology mess at that time. I think he would have grabbed Nancy's cell phone and done it that way.

I don't think she was abducted, don't think it was premeditated, don't think there were more than two people at the scene when she died.

[fran]

Didn't Brad say he had gone to Lifetime Fitness to ask the person there if Nancy had been there? And was driving over to Carrie Clark's condo?

Well, Brad said..................................

Ehh, why did he have to hang up so fast? Why not wait a few minutes so he could look longer without having to ALSO take care of the kids?

Why didn't he want Nancy's friend to watch the girls?

It couldn't be because he didn't want anyone in the house?

Nah....;)

fran

[Star12]

Well, Brad said..................................



oh yeah, Brad[I] [I]said a lot.

[fran]

One of the main reasons I don't think this crime was preplanned is because if it was, wouldn't Brad (or whoever the killer is) have secured ALL the cleaning products he might need ahead of time so that he didn't have to get 'detergent' at the store?

I can see needing to go to the store to get juice and milk...but going back for LAUNDRY DETERGENT? That just doesn't seem very smart to me...unless he really needed it for some reason and it couldn't wait till later on.

And I can't think of an innocent reason why he absolutely HAD TO have laundry detergent between 6am and 7am that day (and no, I do not believe he needed it to wash tennis clothes).

First of all, I DO think it was preplanned. He does NOT seem the type to do anything spontaneous. He has his life mapped out. It didn't include paying child support, alimony, his 401K that he'd worked for 8 years for, the proceeds of the house, having two children miles away in another country. No,................IMO,............it was premeditated.

Without a degree in Murder, when the time comes, expect the unexpected. Including dirty laundry. He just didn't know he had no detergent. What was so important that he needed to do wash at 4 in the morning? :rolleyes:

Just sayin'
fran

[fran]

FWIW, I don't necessarily think there's any bleach involved. Or, as stated previously it may have been in the detergent he purchased around 4 a.m. I might add.

He's a slob. IF it was just to wash clothes, he may NOT even think of bleach. Just DETERGENT.

But, what was so urgent to do wash at that time of the morning? Curiously within hours of the last time Nancy was reportedly seen alive.

Hope LE has obtained the outfit she wore that last night at the neighborhood get together.

IMO, it COULD be important!

Is, was the outfit still there? Had it been laundered?

Yep, lots goin' on behind the scenes. LOTS! ;)

JMHO
fran

[carolinalady]

Well, Brad said..................................

Ehh, why did he have to hang up so fast? Why not wait a few minutes so he could look longer without having to ALSO take care of the kids?

Why didn't he want Nancy's friend to watch the girls?

It couldn't be because he didn't want anyone in the house?

Nah....;)

fran

According to Jessica Adam, she met the police at the house. And she says she made that call to 911 right after she and Brad spoke or maybe she called the ER then 911? And my understanding is that the police were waiting there when he returned. So, if there was something he didn't want seen in the house it certainly would have been seen. By all accounts, he answered police questions and allowed them to look around.

Maybe he hung up fast b/c he wanted to get out the door and look for Nancy. Maybe he didn't want to wait for Jessica to get there.

I'm still waiting on some concrete evidence.

[WSTarheel]

I agree with you Fran. If he did it, it sure looks like it was premeditated. If it was a crime of passion or accidental, it seems he would be arrested by now. It would be very difficult to get rid of the evidence in a panic (in such a short period of time). The need for laundry detergent may be where he messed up in the planning.


First of all, I DO think it was preplanned. He does NOT seem the type to do anything spontaneous. He has his life mapped out. It didn't include paying child support, alimony, his 401K that he'd worked for 8 years for, the proceeds of the house, having two children miles away in another country. No,................IMO,............it was premeditated.

Without a degree in Murder, when the time comes, expect the unexpected. Including dirty laundry. He just didn't know he had no detergent. What was so important that he needed to do wash at 4 in the morning? :rolleyes:

Just sayin'
fran

[WSTarheel]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

[Daphne69]

Maybe he hung up fast b/c he wanted to get out the door and look for Nancy. Maybe he didn't want to wait for Jessica to get there.

Maybe, but it seems odd that someone who wasn't worried the first time JA called and not worried enough ever to call the police would have to hang up in a hurry to go look for his wife.

[EntreNous]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

But then he runs the risk of being seen.

[WSTarheel]

But then he runs the risk of being seen.

True. But, he runs the risk of his vehicle being seen if he dumped her too. I'm just thinking it would be so much easier to get rid of the evidence if the crime was not done at home and transfered to another location.

[macd]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

If it was planned, it's much easier to do it while she's sleeping.
Why do it someplace when and where she can run, scream, or fight back?

[carolinalady]

Maybe, but it seems odd that someone who wasn't worried the first time JA called and not worried enough ever to call the police would have to hang up in a hurry to go look for his wife.

The first time she called was in the 9-9:30 timeframe. I think he told JA that maybe she went to get coffee (I might be remembering that incorrectly). If she normally was gone for up to 2hrs for a run and was supposedly running w/ a friend, 30 minutes beyond that time is not unreasonable (at least can be normal w/ me & my running buddies as we'll sometimes chat post-run). I would love to hear from his tennis buddy to see how he sounded in that call (angry/upset/passive).

[Bob&Bob]

The first time she called was in the 9-9:30 timeframe. I think he told JA that maybe she went to get coffee (I might be remembering that incorrectly). If she normally was gone for up to 2hrs for a run and was supposedly running w/ a friend, 30 minutes beyond that time is not unreasonable (at least can be normal w/ me & my running buddies as we'll sometimes chat post-run). I would love to hear from his tennis buddy to see how he sounded in that call (angry/upset/passive).

I think HMP called him before JA did.

[CyberPro]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

Could be the case,

but in order for that to have happened, she still had to leave on her run from home, which is not supposed to be her normal pattern.

She would have also had to set out on her run earlier than we have heard.

It would run a risk that the kids were awake and alone, even though they are young, they can still talk.

Also does not explain why she was running an abnormal route.

CyberPro

[mahmoo]

The need for laundry detergent may be where he messed up in the planning.

That.......as well as the fact I don't think he was aware of what Nancy's plans were for that morning.

[mahmoo]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

Seems like someone would have seen him (them).....from what I've gathered about Lochmere......the peeps that run are up early around there......they may not have seen "them" going but surely someone would have seen "him" on his way back home.

[mahmoo]

Everyone is assuming that her body was dumped. But what if NC got up at 5:30 or so to go running and Brad followed her on foot (he's a runner too, right?) He could have followed her to the location she was found or somewhere along the way threatened her to run to the location found. There wouldn't be much evidence he'd need to get rid of except for what was on himself.

I already responded to your post earlier but I would like to tell you it's an interesting theory you presented......I would have never thought of that scenario :wave:

[Tink56]

I've also wondered if NC and BC had an argument when she returned Friday night (early Saturday A.M.), and the noise woke one of the kids. (probably Belle)

He sure didn't want anyone else around the kids or people asking them (the girls) questions about their mother.

He probably told the girls Mommy was running Saturday A.M. when they awakened. (And, keeping in mind the miracle of Elizabeth Smart, she may have been on a run...) Although this is much too much like other situations where the wife "disappeared."

Could be the case,

but in order for that to have happened, she still had to leave on her run from home, which is not supposed to be her normal pattern.

She would have also had to set out on her run earlier than we have heard.

It would run a risk that the kids were awake and alone, even though they are young, they can still talk.

Also does not explain why she was running an abnormal route.

CyberPro

[fran]

According to Jessica Adam, she met the police at the house. And she says she made that call to 911 right after she and Brad spoke or maybe she called the ER then 911? And my understanding is that the police were waiting there when he returned. So, if there was something he didn't want seen in the house it certainly would have been seen. By all accounts, he answered police questions and allowed them to look around.

Maybe he hung up fast b/c he wanted to get out the door and look for Nancy. Maybe he didn't want to wait for Jessica to get there.

I'm still waiting on some concrete evidence.

OR,............maybe what he didn't want LE or ANYONE else to see,.........was out in the car.:eek:

JMHO
fran

[carolinalady]

OR,............maybe what he didn't want LE or ANYONE else to see,.........was out in the car.:eek:

JMHO
fran

I hope that IF he did kill Nancy, that those poor girls were not being driven around w/ their mother's body in the car. IF he did kill her, her body was no longer in the car, and they went on a car wash run, I'm sure Bella would be able to tell someone what she & Daddy did that morning.

[raisincharlie]

I hope that IF he did kill Nancy, that those poor girls were not being driven around w/ their mother's body in the car. IF he did kill her, her body was no longer in the car, and they went on a car wash run, I'm sure Bella would be able to tell someone what she & Daddy did that morning.


Maybe Bella did, might be one reason the Rentz's felt comfortable in saying that Nancy did not go running on the morning she went missing.

[mahmoo]

I hope that IF he did kill Nancy, that those poor girls were not being driven around w/ their mother's body in the car. IF he did kill her, her body was no longer in the car, and they went on a car wash run, I'm sure Bella would be able to tell someone what she & Daddy did that morning.