Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #8

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165), there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


ATTENTION POSTERS! As you members know this forum is extremely active w/old and new posters and a TON of guests . We expect you all to STAY ON TOPIC, which is Nancy and things related to her case. I made an off (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67666) topic/chit chat thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67666)to satisfy those who feel the need. This rule will be enforced from this point on. This is why we made a forum for Nancy, to discuss her case, not ourselves or other issues. TIA.

Newbies

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[panthera]

Thank you christine! :)

Family establishes memorial fund for Nancy Cooper

CARY (WTVD) -- The family of murdered Cary woman Nancy Cooper has established a memorial fund in her name.


Donations can be made to the Nancy Cooper Memorial Fund (http://search.abclocal.go.com/search/results?station=wtvd&search=siteSearch&q=Nancy+Cooper+Memorial+Fund).
Send c/o RBC Bank, 101 Advent Court, Cary, N.C. 27518.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6274948

[Taximom]

Brother Grant Cooper had personal and business links on the isabellacooper link page.

Direct link to resume if interested.
http://www2.mhc.ab.ca/users/gcooper/job/Resume.htm

I didn't look at the personal links. It's old though (updated in 2003?)

[melbel]

Thanks to all who gave me a warm welcome last night. I've been around a long time, just don't post because I'm always trying to catch up with you guys.

NOTE: Geraldo At Large might be interesting to watch tonight. During the Greta show last night when the reporter asked Brad's lawyer about "Heather" and "Marianne" or "Marion,", I noticed Geraldo's brother, Craig Rivera, at the head of the pack of reporters asking the questions. So I expect he has run down the rumor by now and Geraldo is never shy about reporting on rumors.

Geraldo's on Fox News at 8 Eastern or 9 Central.

[Coolmomof4]

Brother Grant Cooper had personal and business links on the isabellacooper link page.

Direct link to resume if interested.
http://www2.mhc.ab.ca/users/gcooper/job/Resume.htm

I didn't look at the personal links. It's old though (updated in 2003?)

I think it said updated in 05. I just find it odd and kind of sad that on a family web site named after Bella, he would be posting al of his training stuff. Didn't he have enough internet web sites all about himself to take care of that?? And it is interesting that we don't see Nancy's training plastered all over the internet. Guess she was more humble/modest about herself.

[sues]

AS a newbie, I have some questions about how LE *normally* operates.

Let me preface this with that I think that BC is the most likely culprit based soley on his apparently narcissistic personality and the fact they were having serious marital problems (and no other alleged evidence). I don't think *we* have enough info to know for sure, though. so here are my questions:

1. What does it really mean when LE says they think something is an isolated case? If I were to take their word, it would lead me to believe they had strong evidence against a particular person.

But don't they sometimes just say things to avoid public panic (like when the CDC said anthrax spores couldn't leak out of an evelope--complete BS).

Or sometimes they say it to try to intimidate someone. We had a bunch of laptops stolen at work once. In an interview with me, LE said they had very strong evidence it was one of my coworkers. Turns out, that coworker wasn't involved AT ALL (perps found selling on ebay) and they had no reason to suspect him (other than that he is african american, imo--racists jerks). So they just said that to try to bring out more evidence against him or to get him to confess.

So, how much do we believe LE when they say they have reason to believe it was "isolated"?

2. OK, if BC is guilty, what would it take to convict him? Forensic evidence might do it, but he had a LONG time to clean. What if they can't get any? Possible if she was, say, strangled. How much circumstantial evidence would it take? What info would be needed? Would answers to these questions be enough?
a. Nancy having a running schedule where Saturday was an off day?
b. kids noticing daddy cleaning a lot on Saturday (though, if the 4 yo wasn't questioned yet, she will not be able to recall specific activities that day reliably--even if BC didn't brainwash her)?
c. possible carwash middle of the night Sat?
d. 4 am bleach story confirmed?

What would it take?

[panthera]

Thanks to all who gave me a warm welcome last night. I've been around a long time, just don't post because I'm always trying to catch up with you guys.

NOTE: Geraldo At Large might be interesting to watch tonight. During the Greta show last night when the reporter asked Brad's lawyer about "Heather" and "Marianne" or "Marion,", I noticed Geraldo's brother, Craig Rivera, at the head of the pack of reporters asking the questions. So I expect he has run down the rumor by now and Geraldo is never shy about reporting on rumors.

Geraldo's on Fox News at 8 Eastern or 9 Central.
Hi and welcome from me too! :seeya: I always try to watch Geraldo's program and I too noticed Craig was there yesterday. I'm hoping Geraldo has a lot of coverage of Nancy's murder tonight.

[curiositycat]

AS a newbie, I have some questions about how LE *normally* operates.

Let me preface this with that I think that BC is the most likely culprit based soley on his apparently narcissistic personality and the fact they were having serious marital problems (and no other alleged evidence). I don't think *we* have enough info to know for sure, though. so here are my questions:

1. What does it really mean when LE says they think something is an isolated case? If I were to take their word, it would lead me to believe they had strong evidence against a particular person.

But don't they sometimes just say things to avoid public panic (like when the CDC said anthrax spores couldn't leak out of an evelope--complete BS).

Or sometimes they say it to try to intimidate someone. We had a bunch of laptops stolen at work once. In an interview with me, LE said they had very strong evidence it was one of my coworkers. Turns out, that coworker wasn't involved AT ALL (perps found selling on ebay) and they had no reason to suspect him (other than that he is african american, imo--racists jerks). So they just said that to try to bring out more evidence against him or to get him to confess.

So, how much do we believe LE when they say they have reason to believe it was "isolated"?

2. OK, if BC is guilty, what would it take to convict him? Forensic evidence might do it, but he had a LONG time to clean. What if they can't get any? Possible if she was, say, strangled. How much circumstantial evidence would it take? What info would be needed? Would answers to these questions be enough?
a. Nancy having a running schedule where Saturday was an off day?
b. kids noticing daddy cleaning a lot on Saturday (though, if the 4 yo wasn't questioned yet, she will not be able to recall specific activities that day reliably--even if BC didn't brainwash her)?
c. possible carwash middle of the night Sat?
d. 4 am bleach story confirmed?

What would it take?

Hi Sues, welcome to WS's
I think BC is making a BIG mistake in not going to any memorial for Nancy. In the case recently of Neil Entwistle he was tried and convicted largely on circumstantial evidence. The evidence of the searches on his computer was really damning. People stated at the trial that he was an extremely loving father, ect. That didn't matter to the jury. The biggest mistake he made, in my opinion, was running back to the UK and not attending the services.
If it is proven that BC was in the midst of an affair, that he did in fact purchase bleach at 4am and the fact that he let his kids go to the in-laws custody without a fight of any sort it doesn't look good.
One would think that jurors would need strong evidence. That hasn't been the case in a lot of these cases.

[Pepper]

AS a newbie, I have some questions about how LE *normally* operates.

Let me preface this with that I think that BC is the most likely culprit based soley on his apparently narcissistic personality and the fact they were having serious marital problems (and no other alleged evidence). I don't think *we* have enough info to know for sure, though. so here are my questions:

1. What does it really mean when LE says they think something is an isolated case? If I were to take their word, it would lead me to believe they had strong evidence against a particular person.

But don't they sometimes just say things to avoid public panic (like when the CDC said anthrax spores couldn't leak out of an evelope--complete BS).

Or sometimes they say it to try to intimidate someone. We had a bunch of laptops stolen at work once. In an interview with me, LE said they had very strong evidence it was one of my coworkers. Turns out, that coworker wasn't involved AT ALL (perps found selling on ebay) and they had no reason to suspect him (other than that he is african american, imo--racists jerks). So they just said that to try to bring out more evidence against him or to get him to confess.

So, how much do we believe LE when they say they have reason to believe it was "isolated"?

2. OK, if BC is guilty, what would it take to convict him? Forensic evidence might do it, but he had a LONG time to clean. What if they can't get any? Possible if she was, say, strangled. How much circumstantial evidence would it take? What info would be needed? Would answers to these questions be enough?
a. Nancy having a running schedule where Saturday was an off day?
b. kids noticing daddy cleaning a lot on Saturday (though, if the 4 yo wasn't questioned yet, she will not be able to recall specific activities that day reliably--even if BC didn't brainwash her)?
c. possible carwash middle of the night Sat?
d. 4 am bleach story confirmed?

What would it take?

From all my years as a forensic expert (watching CSI! :rolleyes:) I think it is nearly impossible to remove all trace evidence. Seems like some microscopic evidence remains no matter how thorough the cleaning.

Since we don't know the cause of death, we also don't know if a weapon was involved - knife, candlestick, baseball bat. Recovery of a weapon would be crucial. If she were strangled or smothered that would be more difficult, but not impossible.

There were reports of scratches on Brad's body. How fresh were the scratches? Did her fingernails contain skin residue from scratching Brad?

The jogging story - see Nancy, the jogger thread.

Car wash? Good one. Also forensics in the car - see The car thread

Eye witness testimony - what did the neighbors see or hear that night or the next morning.

Surveilance tapes - the store, the car wash

The timeline - we haven't heard much about this yet, but I think we will. What time did she leave the party? Did she drive or walk? How long did it take her to get home? At what time did Brad first have contact with someone outside the home, by phone, email, in person, etc.? What was the exact time the 911 call was placed? By whom? Again, did the neighbors see or hear Brad during the night or before the PD call was made? If so, what time?

All this is what they are investigating as we speak. He couldn't have covered all his tracks that well.

If I were Brad's attorney, I'd be advising him to plea out, cuz he'll be wearing steel bracelets soon.

ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention computer records. What time was he online? What sites did he visit? I know he is an internet wizard, so he may know how to get around this, but in his panicked state, he may have been careless.

[panthera]

Hi Sues, welcome to WS's
I think BC is making a BIG mistake in not going to any memorial for Nancy. In the case recently of Neil Entwistle he was tried and convicted largely on circumstantial evidence. The evidence of the searches on his computer was really damning. People stated at the trial that he was an extremely loving father, ect. That didn't matter to the jury. The biggest mistake he made, in my opinion, was running back to the UK and not attending the services.
If it is proven that BC was in the midst of an affair, that he did in fact purchase bleach at 4am and the fact that he let his kids go to the in-laws custody without a fight of any sort it doesn't look good.
One would think that jurors would need strong evidence. That hasn't been the case in a lot of these cases.
I too watched Entwistle's trial and agree. Another example is Scott Peterson. So much here will depend on how Nancy was killed, for example, if she was strangled there would be little or no forensic evidence left behind in the house. If she was bludgeoned or stabbed, I really would be shocked if he didn't get rid of the weapon, or if the crime actually took place inside the living area of the house. I think him not fighting the custody with Nancy's family is a sign he wasn't really interested in the children to begin with. If an affair proves true, that's another sign he wanted out of the marriage/family. Both could be motives, not to have to pay alimony or child support. Anyone know about laws regarding child support if the children return to Canada?

[IMHO63]

From all my years as a forensic expert (watching CSI! :rolleyes:) I think it is nearly impossible to remove all trace evidence. Seems like some microscopic evidence remains no matter how thorough the cleaning.

Since we don't know the cause of death, we also don't know if a weapon was involved - knife, candlestick, baseball bat. Recovery of a weapon would be crucial. If she were strangled or smothered that would be more difficult, but not impossible.

There were reports of scratches on Brad's body. How fresh were the scratches? Did her fingernails contain skin residue from scratching Brad?

The jogging story - see Nancy, the jogger thread.

Car wash? Good one. Also forensics in the car - see The car thread

Eye witness testimony - what did the neighbors see or hear that night or the next morning.

Surveilance tapes - the store, the car wash

The timeline - we haven't heard much about this yet, but I think we will. What time did she leave the party? Did she drive or walk? How long did it take her to get home? At what time did Brad first have contact with someone outside the home, by phone, email, in person, etc.? What was the exact time the 911 call was placed? By whom? Again, did the neighbors see or hear Brad during the night or before the PD call was made? If so, what time?

All this is what they are investigating as we speak. He couldn't have covered all his tracks that well.

If I were Brad's attorney, I'd be advising him to plea out, cuz he'll be wearing steel bracelets soon.

ETA: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention computer records. What time was he online? What sites did he visit? I know he is an internet wizard, so he may know how to get around this, but in his panicked state, he may have been careless.

Is the carwash just speculation? I don't remember reading anything about it.

[panthera]

Is the carwash just speculation? I don't remember reading anything about it.
I think so. I haven't heard anything either, but he sure had plenty of time to have it cleaned and detailed ~ if he did kill Nancy and transport her body to where she was found. I wonder if LE has checked local car washes?

[IMHO63]

I think so. I haven't heard anything either, but he sure had plenty of time to have it cleaned and detailed ~ if he did kill Nancy and transport her body to where she was found. I wonder if LE has checked local car washes?

I was just wondering because there just happens to be a carwash that would be very convenient for him to use. It is actually in the same area of buildings where the girls went to preschool, which is only a couple of miles from their home. I don't believe, however, that it has any cameras. I have not noticed any when I have used it.

[citygirl]

I think so. I haven't heard anything either, but he sure had plenty of time to have it cleaned and detailed ~ if he did kill Nancy and transport her body to where she was found. I wonder if LE has checked local car washes?

I just visited that in the "car" thread. I'm wondering if they have cameras in place?

[SeriouslySearching]

If you will take a look around the forum set up for this case, you will notice many new threads (more to come and feel free to post your own). It would be great if you guys would go back into the old general topic threads and bring forward any posts, links, or information pertaining to the specific topics so we can organize without missing anything!

This case is growing rapidly as more comes out and will explode if/when a suspect is named and arrested. To follow the case until justice for Nancy is served, you will find having the reference material at a glance to be a benefit. We can use all the help we can get to this end! Thanks!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165

[panthera]

I was just wondering because there just happens to be a carwash that would be very convenient for him to use. It is actually in the same area of buildings where the girls went to preschool, which is only a couple of miles from their home. I don't believe, however, that it has any cameras. I have not noticed any when I have used it.
Is that a full service one where employees clean out the car? Just curious!

[sues]

Hi Sues, welcome to WS's
I think BC is making a BIG mistake in not going to any memorial for Nancy. In the case recently of Neil Entwistle he was tried and convicted largely on circumstantial evidence. The evidence of the searches on his computer was really damning. People stated at the trial that he was an extremely loving father, ect. That didn't matter to the jury. The biggest mistake he made, in my opinion, was running back to the UK and not attending the services.
If it is proven that BC was in the midst of an affair, that he did in fact purchase bleach at 4am and the fact that he let his kids go to the in-laws custody without a fight of any sort it doesn't look good.
One would think that jurors would need strong evidence. That hasn't been the case in a lot of these cases.

See, too me, his not attending doesn't really "look bad". I'm not a private person particularly, but I do tend to want to be alone when I'm sad. If something tragic happened to someone I loved, I wouldn't really want to mourn in front of the public. I don't see that as evidence against him. Likewise, *if* he were innocent, I wouldn't judge him for not fighting the custody. He's clearly a suspect. Even if he weren't guilty, he may think that his daughters would be better off elsewhere for the time being. Again, not evidence against him in my book.

Plenty of other stuff doesn't look right to me, but those two things don't seem like evidence to me (not even circumstantial).

[Wudge]

I hate to disagree with you again Wudge, but what is needed for a conviction is a good prosecutor and enough evidence to convince a jury beyond a REASONABLE doubt. That's it!

To hope to prove murder, a prosecutor needs both inculpatory evidence and corroborating evidence. If all a prosecutor has is evidence that the trial Judge establishes to be corroborating evidence, that is insufficient evidence.


HTH

[sues]

Is the carwash just speculation? I don't remember reading anything about it.

I don't think there is anything out there about that. I was just asking IF there was such evidence, would it help convict. I have no reason to believe evidence of that nature exists or not.

[wirehair]

He could have used the cleaning products that he already had at the house and maybe ran out...thus the trip to the store. He would have had to clean his clothes and recognizable sneakers. Someone could connect them back to him if found. I wonder if the house smelled really "clean" when anyone came in the next day. If they had a large dog there may have been a rubber protector in the back of car. That wouldn't take as long to clean. If he wears a watch, someone should look into the nooks and cranies of the band for something that couldn't be reached if he tried to clean it. I doubt he would have washed it with detergent. Check the hair on the dog and the pads of his feet. He could have stepped into something important. The traffic on Holly Springs road runs almost steady even at 1 or 2 in the morning, especially on weekends. He probably didn't turn out his lights until he got into the new part. I hope the LE was out there during those hours talking to people. If I had known there was an extension to that development, I would have searched there first. I mentioned a few other isolated places to go if the search expanded. We had a really bad storm the Friday evening and maybe that's what there were no workers on Sat. From the photos, it appears that the roads have been cut and paved. It doesn't appear that any lots have been cleared. If she were placed on the other side of the silt fence, someone driving through on the road would not have seen her. I haven't been down there even though it's within 2 mi of me. I don't want to go by myself.

[IMHO63]

Is that a full service one where employees clean out the car? Just curious!

No, it is on a corner attached to a jiffy lube type place, but you just put your coins in and drive-thru, it is open 24 hours. It does have a vacuum area though. It is accessible 24/7.

[Pepper]

To hope to prove murder, a prosecutor needs both inculpatory evidence and corroborating evidence. If all a prosecutor has is evidence that the trial Judge establishes to be corroborating evidence, that is insufficient evidence.


HTH

Maybe in theory, but what is needed once the case is brought to trial is 12 jurors in agreement finding the defendent guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can argue all you want about inculpatory vs. exculpatory vs. corroborating evidence, but it's the JURORS who ultimately decide. Obviously it helps to have a brilliant prosecutor and unimpeachable evidence, but as long as the JURORS believe the prosecution case over the defense case and they render a UNANAMOUS decision in favor of CONVICTION, that is all that counts. Doesn't matter how they came to the conclusion. All that matters IS THE CONCLUSION.

[curiositycat]

See, too me, his not attending doesn't really "look bad". I'm not a private person particularly, but I do tend to want to be alone when I'm sad. If something tragic happened to someone I loved, I wouldn't really want to mourn in front of the public. I don't see that as evidence against him. Likewise, *if* he were innocent, I wouldn't judge him for not fighting the custody. He's clearly a suspect. Even if he weren't guilty, he may think that his daughters would be better off elsewhere for the time being. Again, not evidence against him in my book.

Plenty of other stuff doesn't look right to me, but those two things don't seem like evidence to me (not even circumstantial).
I agree those two things are not evidence. That was sort of the point I was making. When I was watching Court TV during the Neil Entwistle trial all the talking heads mentioned that had he not run back to the UK his defense team "might" have had a better shot at winning the case.
Jurors are people, people have emotions and the majority of people, I believe, would think him not showing up is very narcissistic behavior. Yes, he is hurting(????) but what about his children, her parents, ect. It's not about him now. It shows very cowardly behavior IMHO. It's all about the jury thinking "What would a reasonable person do?" When you love someone nothing but being in the hospital usually keeps you from their services. These are all things jurors look at. I am not saying it's RIGHT. But history has shown that a lot of these cases are based on emotions.

[Wudge]

Maybe in theory, but what is needed once the case is brought to trial is 12 jurors in agreement finding the defendent guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. You can argue all you want about inculpatory vs. exculpatory vs. corroborating evidence, but it's the JURORS who ultimately decide. Obviously it helps to have a brilliant prosecutor and unimpeachable evidence, but as long as the JURORS believe the prosecution case over the defense case and they render a UNANAMOUS decision in favor of CONVICTION, that is all that counts. Doesn't matter how they came to the conclusion. All that matters IS THE CONCLUSION.


Incorrect.

When all of the People's evidence is but corroborating evidence, the trial Judge, by law, is required to issue a directed verdict for the defendant. In other words, the Judge is required to acquit the defendant.

[momto3kids]

If the carwash was used it is easy to gain access to the information since the owner of it lives .5 of a mile away from it. The owner is well known and I am sure he would turn over any records of transactions that occured in helping the police in this matter.

[Wudge]

SNIP

But history has shown that a lot of these cases are based on emotions.




Full credit.

[TGIRecovered]

I hate to disagree with you again Wudge, but what is needed for a conviction is a good prosecutor and enough evidence to convince a jury beyond a REASONABLE doubt. That's it!

A voice of reason. Refreshing!

Susan

[panthera]

If the carwash was used it is easy to gain access to the information since the owner of it lives .5 of a mile away from it. The owner is well known and I am sure he would turn over any records of transactions that occured in helping the police in this matter.
Thanks so much! :) I haven't seen any photos of the Cooper's house other than the front. Are the neighbors right across the street, and how close next door?

[momto3kids]

Let me try this again...the carwash that was discussed in a previous post is at the intersection of Penny Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd. I said the owner of the carwash lives only .5 mile from the carwash and I am sure he would give any transactions that occured to the police if they ask for it. The car wash is not run by someone that would be hard to locate.
The carwash is about 2 miles from the Cooper home.

[Pepper]

Let me try this again...the carwash that was discussed in a previous post is at the intersection of Penny Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd. I said the owner of the carwash lives only .5 mile from the carwash and I am sure he would give any transactions that occured to the police if they ask for it. The car wash is not run by someone that would be hard to locate.
The carwash is about 2 miles from the Cooper home. Good idea, and I hope they are looking at all the car washes in the area.

[Magister]

If the carwash was used it is easy to gain access to the information since the owner of it lives .5 of a mile away from it. The owner is well known and I am sure he would turn over any records of transactions that occured in helping the police in this matter.

Mom, I'm just going from memory, but when y'all are talking about a car wash connected to a Jiffy Lube, I'm thinking that you're talking about one where the old barn was at Kildare Farm (across the Parkway from Applebee's).

If that's the case, I thought that I'd mention that (once again, based entirely on memory) it seems like there's a drive-thru/auto-dealy at the 24 hr convenient store in Macedonia (I think it's now called "Swift Creek Crossings" or something), which would actually be closer to where the body was found.

Not to mention that there used to be a self-service thing down around Handee Hugos on Maynard (it's where the road behind Kroger's comes out) and last time I was home (6 years ago), it seems like there was a shopping center under construction, where the Parkway meets Holly Springs and I have no idea about what's there...

[nursebeeme]

for legal discussion: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67661

[Magister]

Let me try this again...the carwash that was discussed in a previous post is at the intersection of Penny Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd. I said the owner of the carwash lives only .5 mile from the carwash and I am sure he would give any transactions that occured to the police if they ask for it. The car wash is not run by someone that would be hard to locate.
The carwash is about 2 miles from the Cooper home.

OK - Now I see which car wash that you're referring and as I mentioned in my request for clarification, there's a lot of car washes around, especially those attached to convenient stores. Heck, there's a car wash at the little store at the entrance to MacGregor Park, it seems like there may be a convenient store behind the hospital or by the entrance to Regency; There's at least one car wash by the Adam's house (next exit up the highway) and if you go down an exit, there was a self-service at South Hills and a couple of drive-thru things in that same area...

There's really a lot of car washes and those not drive-thru wouldn't have any records and even those aren't being filmed, except maybe in-directly from another store. (For example, the drug store or Food Lion cameras might catch a corner of the Penny/Kildare car wash)

[allboys]

Let me try this again...the carwash that was discussed in a previous post is at the intersection of Penny Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd. I said the owner of the carwash lives only .5 mile from the carwash and I am sure he would give any transactions that occured to the police if they ask for it. The car wash is not run by someone that would be hard to locate.
The carwash is about 2 miles from the Cooper home.


If Brad was into keeping his cars impeccably clean, as his personality suggests, he might have known that the car wash at the gas station on the corner of Ten Ten and Kildaire Farm is an even better and more thorough car wash. IMO.

[Magister]

If Brad was into keeping his cars impeccably clean, as his personality suggests, he might have known that the car wash at the gas station on the corner of Ten Ten and Kildaire Farm is an even better and more thorough car wash. IMO.

...and what's the hours of that Lowes Foods? The Food Lion at Penny and Kildare was on-again, off-again 24 hours and I'm pretty sure that the Food Lion at Macedonia was 24 hour, the last time that I was in town... My point being that if Brad did wash the car on his late night run and if he used any of these other car washes, why would he have driven back to Harris-Teeter for the bleach?

Heck... Isn't there a 24 hour Hardee's at Macedonia (Swift Creek)? In theory, he could've dumped the body, drove up the hill to the car wash, bought the bleach and picked-up a sausage biscuit for breakfast, all at one intersection.

[Magister]

BTW: To those not familiar with the area; The Triangle as a whole and Cary in particular is littered with 24-hour stores and businesses. The population skews very young and highly educated, so the 24-hour life is much more the norm.

[panthera]

I just have some problems with him doing too much running around while the children were home alone. I can see him going out to dispose of Nancy and make a quick stop at a store, but unless of course he gave them some kind of medication, just how would he be sure the little girls didn't wake up while he was gone and go outside their bedroom?

[curiositycat]

I just have some problems with him doing too much running around while the children were home alone. I can see him going out to dispose of Nancy and make a quick stop at a store, but unless of course he gave them some kind of medication, just how would he be sure the little girls didn't wake up while he was gone and go outside their bedroom?

I am not sure if he cared much about the girls at all..at that point. :rolleyes:

[Pepper]

I am not sure if he cared much about the girls at all..at that point. :rolleyes:
I don't think it was a high priority at that point.

[allboys]

...and what's the hours of that Lowes Foods? The Food Lion at Penny and Kildare was on-again, off-again 24 hours and I'm pretty sure that the Food Lion at Macedonia was 24 hour, the last time that I was in town... My point being that if Brad did wash the car on his late night run and if he used any of these other car washes, why would he have driven back to Harris-Teeter for the bleach?

Heck... Isn't there a 24 hour Hardee's at Macedonia (Swift Creek)? In theory, he could've dumped the body, drove up the hill to the car wash, bought the bleach and picked-up a sausage biscuit for breakfast, all at one intersection.


Who is to say that he went to a car wash on the same grocery trip. As I said in a previous post, there is no reason why he couldn't have packed up the girls, and driven to a car wash on Satuday, before she was reported missing. Almost as an afterthought kind of errand.

[Magister]

Who is to say that he went to a car wash on the same grocery trip. As I said in a previous post, there is no reason why he couldn't have packed up the girls, and driven to a car wash on Satuday, before she was reported missing. Almost as an afterthought kind of errand.

...and as far as I know, there's nothing to indicate that he actually washed the car.

[Wudge]

paaaaaallllleeeeeeaaaaassseeee! Can we just be over with the bad behavior already!

Advise others.

[nursebeeme]

Who is to say that he went to a car wash on the same grocery trip. As I said in a previous post, there is no reason why he couldn't have packed up the girls, and driven to a car wash on Satuday, before she was reported missing. Almost as an afterthought kind of errand.
this is a good line of thought..what exactly WAS he doing all morning before he got the call from Ms Adam? I think I would be reviewing the tapes for Saturday if I were LE (and no wudge I am not LE....I am a poster on a discussion board called websleuths crime sleuthing community)

[momto3kids]

Magister....the Food Lion closes at 11pm. IF he used a car wash I would think it would be this one near FL. It is because it is in the same shopping center his daughter goes to pre-school at. The pre-school sits behind Wendy's. Now they make the parents line up around the perimeter of the shopping center to pick up their child and go behind the shopping center to exit. Every parent has to sit behind the car wash to exit on Penny Rd. If he used a car wash this would be the one most familiar to him.
One big circle...remove her, car wash, store and home.

[panthera]

I am not sure if he cared much about the girls at all..at that point. :rolleyes:
I don't think he cared either, but God forbid (for him) if they'd gotten hurt or accidentally started a house fire! That's more of what I was thinking. He wouldn't have been able to explain either of those situations away like he did Nancy's disappearance. :)

[panthera]

Who is to say that he went to a car wash on the same grocery trip. As I said in a previous post, there is no reason why he couldn't have packed up the girls, and driven to a car wash on Satuday, before she was reported missing. Almost as an afterthought kind of errand.
This is more of what I was thinking, if he did go to a car wash. :)

[christine2448]

ATTENTION POSTERS! As you members know this forum is extremely active w/old and new posters and a TON of guests . We expect you all to STAY ON TOPIC, which is Nancy and things related to her case. I made an off (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67666) topic/chit chat thread (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67666)to satisfy those who feel the need. This rule will be enforced from this point on. This is why we made a forum for Nancy, to discuss her case, not ourselves or other issues. TIA.

[IMHO63]

Let me try this again...the carwash that was discussed in a previous post is at the intersection of Penny Rd and Kildaire Farm Rd. I said the owner of the carwash lives only .5 mile from the carwash and I am sure he would give any transactions that occured to the police if they ask for it. The car wash is not run by someone that would be hard to locate.
The carwash is about 2 miles from the Cooper home.

Do you know if there are cameras there? I don't recall seeing any. And, if he used a credit card to pay instead of cash that really would not be good for him.

[curiositycat]

I don't think he cared either, but God forbid (for him) if they'd gotten hurt or accidentally started a house fire! That's more of what I was thinking. He wouldn't have been able to explain either of those situations away like he did Nancy's disappearance. :)
I understand what you mean. When we, looking at it, see that he may have left the girls we are shocked. But I think back to good ol' Bobby Cutts. Look how he left little Blake all alone. I think guys like this go into CYA mode.

[panthera]

I just wanted to say how much I appreciate everybody who lives in Cary being here to help with local information, like where stores & other businesses are! :blowkiss::blowkiss:

[curiositycat]

Amen to that! These people are good people and a God Send. I imagine that's why everyone felt so bad for Nancy. She seemed to be a good mother and a good friend!

[panthera]

I understand what you mean. When we, looking at it, see that he may have left the girls we are shocked. But I think back to good ol' Bobby Cutts. Look how he left little Blake all alone. I think guys like this go into CYA mode.
Oh yes ~ Bobby Cutts, who left his 2 y/o son alone in the house for days. Only by the grace of God the little boy didn't walk out the open back door and meet up with harm. I still think though if Brad did leave in the middle of the night (and Nancy was dead) he might have given the little girls some strong cold medication or something to make sure they'd sleep. ;)

[christine2448]

If you will take a look around the forum set up for this case, you will notice many new threads (more to come and feel free to post your own). It would be great if you guys would go back into the old general topic threads and bring forward any posts, links, or information pertaining to the specific topics so we can organize without missing anything!

This case is growing rapidly as more comes out and will explode if/when a suspect is named and arrested. To follow the case until justice for Nancy is served, you will find having the reference material at a glance to be a benefit. We can use all the help we can get to this end! Thanks!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165

Thank you SS for helping to organize. This is a great idea. If you posters have found good links, info, yada yada, please find your post and copy it to the respective threads that have been set up.

Organizing will help us all so much...the time taken now before we get deeper in will be worth the efforts later.

TIA to all who help get this done.

[IMHO63]

Magister....the Food Lion closes at 11pm. IF he used a car wash I would think it would be this one near FL. It is because it is in the same shopping center his daughter goes to pre-school at. The pre-school sits behind Wendy's. Now they make the parents line up around the perimeter of the shopping center to pick up their child and go behind the shopping center to exit. Every parent has to sit behind the car wash to exit on Penny Rd. If he used a car wash this would be the one most familiar to him.
One big circle...remove her, car wash, store and home.

Momto3-that is what I was thinking. You really can't see much from the road with the trees, it is kind of hidden by the trees and since it is not connected to a convenience store there is not a lot of traffic, especially early in the morning.

Just saying IF he did wash the car.

[momto3kids]

I seriously doubt there is a camera at the carwash. IF he used the carwash he most likely swiped his card since he would need $8 to $10 to go thru it. Last year with the water ban it was the only way to clean a vehicle in Cary, got very expensive.
Someone mentioned the carwash near Walgreens off Ten-ten. I am not sure if it closes when the station closes at 11:00. I think it is dark when I have passed it late, but I could be wrong.

[Magister]

Magister....the Food Lion closes at 11pm. IF he used a car wash I would think it would be this one near FL. It is because it is in the same shopping center his daughter goes to pre-school at. The pre-school sits behind Wendy's. Now they make the parents line up around the perimeter of the shopping center to pick up their child and go behind the shopping center to exit. Every parent has to sit behind the car wash to exit on Penny Rd. If he used a car wash this would be the one most familiar to him.
One big circle...remove her, car wash, store and home.

I understand your point and I hope you appreciate that I'm pointing-out, there's a LOT of car washes in the area.

As for the circle, it's certainly possible, but going in a circle out the Parkway (or Lily Atkins) to where the body was found, up that hill and around those curves to Penny, then up Penny to Kildare and back down doesn't really strike me as something a Lochmere resident would do. Perhaps, if he goes that way to take his daughter to preschool, then maybe, but I'd assume that he would've gone back out of Lochmere and simply drove-up past the Bluffs on those occasions.

I don't know and I'm only basing it on culture, but if Brad was the type to want to wash his car, I just see him heading more back into town. Either up from the cul-de-sac to Macedonia or back toward Handee Hugos or Applebees. If memory serves, there's always an overnight cop car parked in the (Penny Rd) Food Lion parking lot, when the guy is off-duty, so I have to assume that the shopping center is within the city limits. I don't know how far out Penny, the city limits now goes and of course with Cary, you have all of those "islands", but I don't know that the little bit of county driving would be worth the extra distance.

Of course, IMHO...

[Magister]

I seriously doubt there is a camera at the carwash. IF he used the carwash he most likely swiped his card since he would need $8 to $10 to go thru it.

The drugstore's or the camera on the State Employees ATM could've theoretically captured a car going to or from the one at Penny.

[swa]

All these cases are always the same . . .

Instead of just getting a divorce, and moving on with your life -- the husband decides it's a better idea to kill the wife to save the embarrassment of having to admit to his family what was going on. They always make the same mistakes AFTER the fact also. (Acting uninterested -- acting like they already know the spouse is dead -- so why attend the searches?

There's no doubt in my mind that Brad Cooper is responsible for this murder. I'm hoping an arrest will be made in the coming days.

[SeriouslySearching]

Not to change the subject, but...for those locally...maybe you can answer this for me:

Do you know how far Nancy's house is from where she went to the party and if she walked? We theorized that since she was used to running long distances, she walked to the party. However, since she may have a coctail or because she was feeling "tired"...I wonder if she drove instead. Anyone know?

Since Nancy talked to Jessica Adam approximately 10:30 pm while still at the party...this would indicate to me that Nancy had her cell phone on her. Would she only carry her phone and not take her purse with her?

[swa]

Also:

1. Why didn't he attend the memorial service today with his daughters? All this stupid talk about "grieving privately". He's just too much of a coward to face everyone -- again pointing towards his guilt.

2. Why do innocent people have to "lawyer up" ?

[jilly]

Also:

1. Why didn't he attend the memorial service today with his daughters? All this stupid talk about "grieving privately". He's just too much of a coward to face everyone -- again pointing towards his guilt.

2. Why do innocent people have to "lawyer up" ?

We have another case we're following here from NC (Michelle Young). We heard the same thing about the husband not wanting to grieve in public, private matter, blah blah. A friend of the husband actually accused us of wallowing in the grief of others!:rolleyes:

[allboys]

Not to change the subject, but...for those locally...maybe you can answer this for me:

Do you know how far Nancy's house is from where she went to the party and if she walked? We theorized that since she was used to running long distances, she walked to the party. However, since she may have a coctail or because she was feeling "tired"...I wonder if she drove instead. Anyone know?

Since Nancy talked to Jessica Adam approximately 10:30 pm while still at the party...this would indicate to me that Nancy had her cell phone on her. Would she only carry her phone and not take her purse with her?

This phone call to Jessica from the party peaks my interest. I wonder if she found out something noteworthy, about Brad, that she was calling Jessica to vent about. Perhaps there was speculation of the mystery woman "shacking up" with Brad, when NC was on vacation in Hilton Head...or something else. Just wondering why she would call a friend in my middle of a party. If someone told her something during the party, maybe it was a confrontation about it that sparked everything. Forgive me if someone has already offered this theory.

[SleuthyGal]

I don't blame anyone for "lawyering up." I would do it if I were in such a legal snafu even if I was innocent of the crime. It's just the prudent thing to do to make sure your constitutional rights are protected--so I don't blame him (or anyone) for that. No matter what if you are accused of a crime it is the burden of the city/county/state to prove your guilt and this adversarial system is one in which counsel is necessary...yes, even if someone is 'innocent.'

That said, I happen to think that BC is likely involved--that's just based on the things I've learned, read, and my common sense as well as seeing this same kind of pattern in past missing wife/mother cases where the wife then turned up dead (and was murdered).

As for him not showing up to the service today, it's possible that his in-laws told him that he is not welcome there. I'm speculating of course. They may have not said any such thing and perhaps he just doesn't want to be in the limelight because he has something to hide. I think we can all agree that there is animosity between NC's parents/sister and BC, as there of course would be. That kind of bad blood would cast a pall over such a service; if I were NC's parents I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near that memorial service.

[Magister]

Oh, and if I might ask another question...

I keep seeing reference that Brad worked for Cisco in RTP, but it seems to me (back when I was operating a lot of Cisco equipment) that they also had a call center or a training facility in MacGregor Park (Cary). I may be wrong, they may have consolidated or shipped it overseas, but do we know for a fact that Brad worked in RTP?

[momto3kids]

SS...I thought I posted on this today, but I also lost a long post and did not resubmit it.
If the party was at Diana Duncan's home which I thought it was, Diana lives across the street. The homes face each other. Approx. 100' from front door to front door. No reason to drive or carry her purse.

[Magister]

This phone call to Jessica from the party peaks my interest.

My understanding based on previous posts is that the party was an informal gathering across the street or within a couple of houses from Nancy. A post from another (which has since been deleted), established that the lady who called the police because Nancy was a no-show for painting lived about five miles away. And, it's my understanding that the one who called, both the police and Nancy were one in the same. (Though, I can only recall her last name)

Based on the location we've heard about the preschool and the fact that they knew each other from that facility, I'd say that the preschool was about halfway between the two women, if you were to travel on surface streets and not on the highway.

[IMHO63]

Oh, and if I might ask another question...

I keep seeing reference that Brad worked for Cisco in RTP, but it seems to me (back when I was operating a lot of Cisco equipment) that they also had a call center or a training facility in MacGregor Park (Cary). I may be wrong, they may have consolidated or shipped it overseas, but do we know for a fact that Brad worked in RTP?

Magister--He works/ed for Cisco in RTP. I have a friend whose husband actually worked with him on a couple of occasions, same building, same floor. Cisco has about 10-12 buildings on their campus in RTP.

[SeriouslySearching]

This phone call to Jessica from the party peaks my interest. I wonder if she found out something noteworthy, about Brad, that she was calling Jessica to vent about. Perhaps there was speculation of the mystery woman "shacking up" with Brad, when NC was on vacation in Hilton Head...or something else. Just wondering why she would call a friend in my middle of a party. If someone told her something during the party, maybe it was a confrontation about it that sparked everything. Forgive me if someone has already offered this theory.I believe that Jessica called Nancy, but I can't confirm it. I think they might have been "shoring up" their plans for the following day or just a quick hello. Friends do that.

Thanks, Nurse! I haven't had time to go back to read all the great posts yet. Appreciate the info tho! Keep up the great work bringing things over to the other threads...you are awesome. :)

[allboys]

Even though I really think that this WAS NOT premeditated murder, I was thinking about this....

Brad was left behind for some time, when Nancy and the girls went on vacation. Could he have been stewing, and devising a plan at this time. Or at least, contemplating the idea? Maybe it is relevant that this happened so soon after Nancy and the girls arrived back home from the trip.

ONE MORE THING...yikes, did anyone see the news report on WRAL today that said Cary police just put up flyers in the Lochmere neighborhood asking for more information. Is this normal practice? Or does it suggest they do not have enough evidence in this case????

[Magister]

ONE MORE THING...yikes, did anyone see the news report on WRAL today that said Cary police just put up flyers in the Lochmere neighborhood asking for more information. Is this normal practice? Or does it suggest they do not have enough evidence in this case????

Good info! There was a report on this board this morning that they were also conducting a roadblock on Holly Springs Rd asking if anyone had seen anything, last Saturday morning.

[Snowlover77]

Even though I really think that this WAS NOT premeditated murder, I was thinking about this....

Brad was left behind for some time, when Nancy and the girls went on vacation. Could he have been stewing, and devising a plan at this time. Or at least, contemplating the idea? Maybe it is relevant that this happened so soon after Nancy and the girls arrived back home from the trip.

ONE MORE THING...yikes, did anyone see the news report on WRAL today that said Cary police just put up flyers in the Lochmere neighborhood asking for more information. Is this normal practice? Or does it suggest they do not have enough evidence in this case????
Perhaps they are trying to verify something Brad has told them but there are no other witnesses to it other than Brad himself. Seems to me they are trying hard to put more pressure on Brad and have him tell all he knows about Nancy's murder. One thing that I am curious about is the way she was found- partially clothed. Was the perp trying to make cops believe she was the victim of an assault?

[panthera]

Also:

1. Why didn't he attend the memorial service today with his daughters? All this stupid talk about "grieving privately". He's just too much of a coward to face everyone -- again pointing towards his guilt.

2. Why do innocent people have to "lawyer up" ?
I can understand the lawyer because he probably knows he's a suspect and also because LE did have search warrants for the house and him. I'd probably get one too if I were in his position! Him being in hiding now, so to speak, does make it appear in some ways that he doesn't want to be there now for his children, or care that they lost their mother and now their father isn't around.

[panthera]

Perhaps they are trying to verify something Brad has told them but there are no other witnesses to it other than Brad himself. Seems to me they are trying hard to put more pressure on Brad and have him tell all he knows about Nancy's murder. One thing that I am curious about is the way she was found- partially clothed. Was the perp trying to make cops believe she was the victim of an assault?
I believe he is the one who killed her, and wanted to make it look like she was killed while she was out jogging. That would explain why her body was found where it was, and one interview he did he said it certainly would be possible she could be attacked in the woods or by the golf course. The interview was done before her body was found.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't believe that "lawyering up" is really a sign of guilt for anything. LE is trained to twist words and to manipulate people. A lawyer puts you on equal footing so that you are not abused, your rights are not violated, and you can have some say about various aspects of interviews/interrogations. I would get a lawyer immediately...guilty or not!! In today's world, it is almost ridiculous not to....especially if you ARE guilty.

[maconrich]

Advise others.

And this comes from someone who made a generalization and presented it as a fact about an entire state and it's legal system???


When it comes to LE and prosecutors, North Carolina is the most corrupt state in the nation.
Don't ever get in trouble there. Mike Nifong is the state's standard fare
BTW Nifong is NOT the state's standard fare, thank you very much!

Back OT: As for BC lawyering up I agree that it doesn't make him look guilty (or at least any guiltier than he already does) and was a smart move given the circumstances.

[MoonFlwr]

Also:

1. Why didn't he attend the memorial service today with his daughters? All this stupid talk about "grieving privately". He's just too much of a coward to face everyone -- again pointing towards his guilt.

2. Why do innocent people have to "lawyer up" ?

I wouldn't think things would be too pleasant between Brad and Nancy's family, given the fact that they have custody of the children and some other things, so, it could've lead to a very tense atmosphere if he did attend.

Just saying!

[curiositycat]

I know the atmosphere would have been tense. So what! Step up to the plate and show the world what you are made of. IF you are innocent you have nothing to fear as TRUTH is on your side. This is after all the mother of his two children. To me this speaks of GUILT.

[MoonFlwr]

I know the atmosphere would have been tense. So what! Step up to the plate and show the world what you are made of. IF you are innocent you have nothing to fear as TRUTH is on your side. This is after all the mother of his two children. To me this speaks of GUILT.

Could be guilt, agreed.

Could also be that he decided one part of the family had to not be present in order to allow the other to grieve without having to cope with the others' presence...given the things that have unfolded and been said over the last few days.

[Pepper]

Perhaps they are trying to verify something Brad has told them but there are no other witnesses to it other than Brad himself. Seems to me they are trying hard to put more pressure on Brad and have him tell all he knows about Nancy's murder. One thing that I am curious about is the way she was found- partially clothed. Was the perp trying to make cops believe she was the victim of an assault?

I don't remember hearing this. Do you have a source? Did they say what she was wearing?

[SleuthyGal]

There has been no additional info given on what Nancy was found wearing ... only that she was "partially clothed" and that was just a comment slipped into some other statement by (I forget who) either the police dept or some other witness to the case.

They are withholding all these various details right now, which of course we are all curious about.

[curiositycat]

Could be guilt, agreed.

Could also be that he decided one part of the family had to not be present in order to allow the other to grieve without having to cope with the others' presence...given the things that have unfolded and been said over the last few days.
It could be. Lets see what happens at the funeral. Will his parents at least attend?

[Blink34]

Advise others.

As much as I pride myself on my "ism's" gotta say:
"creepy is as creepy does.."
sorry Forrest..

[Magister]

There has been no additional info given on what Nancy was found wearing ... only that she was "partially clothed" and that was just a comment slipped into some other statement by (I forget who) either the police dept or some other witness to the case.

The "partially clothed" came from a WRAL report. It wasn't an attributed quote and was simply the way that the reporter wrote the piece. (Something like, "days after her partially clothed body was discovered") We don't know if it has any basis and I believe the reporter's stand-up and the web text actually used two similar, but different phrases. (I'm thinking that the other one used "wearing very little clothing", but I can't be sure.)

Note: I was going to edit this comment earlier, so that I could expand upon the points, but there was some type of issue with the forum and since it's still the most recent post, I simply copied my edited response to this space.

[SleuthyGal]

The "partially clothed" came from a WRAL report. It wasn't an attributed quote and was simply the way that the reporter wrote the piece.

Ahhhh thanks for clarifying that. I knew I had read it, I just couldn't remember where.

[calidreamin]

As much as I pride myself on my "ism's" gotta say:
"creepy is as creepy does.."
sorry Forrest..

Good morning Blink and perfectly put.:clap::clap::clap:

[calidreamin]

The "partially clothed" came from a WRAL report. It wasn't an attributed quote and was simply the way that the reporter wrote the piece. (Something like, "days after her partially clothed body was discovered") We don't know if it has any basis and I believe the reporter's stand-up and the web text actually used two similar, but different phrases. (I'm thinking that the other one used "wearing very little clothing", but I can't be sure.)

Note: I was going to edit this comment earlier, so that I could expand upon the points, but there was some type of issue with the forum and since it's still the most recent post, I simply copied my edited response to this space.

Good morning everyone!! I had not heard that she was partially clothed before.

[Blink34]

TY and Good Morning to you!
Need help on this, still bugging me, and sorry to sound like a broken record, but, I dont think anyone has ever replied to this question-

Does it bother anyone that the kids passports were in NC car?? The affidavit says BC confiscated them, and then in plain site, he retrieves them from her car- I want to know if lE saw them when they first searched the car, if not, he put them back, but when??

[Blink34]

Good morning everyone!! I had not heard that she was partially clothed before.

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?

[MoonFlwr]

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?

Having a quick look, Blink!

[Blink34]

Having a quick look, Blink!

Thanks, also where are we on the HB issue- is it "her" have we concluded or are we still conjecturing.. Not lazy, just only have a few minutes and the site was down most last eve

[curiositycat]

TY and Good Morning to you!
Need help on this, still bugging me, and sorry to sound like a broken record, but, I dont think anyone has ever replied to this question-

Does it bother anyone that the kids passports were in NC car?? The affidavit says BC confiscated them, and then in plain site, he retrieves them from her car- I want to know if lE saw them when they first searched the car, if not, he put them back, but when??

It is an interesting thought! When did he retrieve them from the car FOR SURE? Is there a picture out there of him doing that?n I am kind-of confused on this one:confused:

[strach304]

SS...I thought I posted on this today, but I also lost a long post and did not resubmit it.
If the party was at Diana Duncan's home which I thought it was, Diana lives across the street. The homes face each other. Approx. 100' from front door to front door. No reason to drive or carry her purse.

Very interesting. We know she had her phone at the party and it's been reported that her phone was in her purse in the car. I've seen other posters bring up the fact of not leaving the phone in the car even if it was her habit to leave her purse there. Maybe she has a car charger for the phone? Most people charge their phones daily as a matter of habit.

[Blink34]

It is an interesting thought! When did he retrieve them from the car FOR SURE? Is there a picture out there of him doing that?n I am kind-of confused on this one:confused:

It was reported (sorry, no link), there is no pic that I am aware of, and I believe NC Mom was quoted on it.

This is my issue- if they WERE in her car (im guessing not, only because we know it was searched and Im assuming they took her purse then, etc,)
then I am REALLY concerned this was premeditated/planned as we know she did not drive it that evening.

If they were not, he put them in there after the fact, and it will be presented at the hearing on 7/25 that she had them all along and could have left at any time. I thought all along this was an argument/accidental homicide, now I am not so sure.

[Blink34]

Very interesting. We know she had her phone at the party and it's been reported that her phone was in her purse in the car. I've seen other posters bring up the fact of not leaving the phone in the car even if it was her habit to leave her purse there. Maybe she has a car charger for the phone? Most people charge their phones daily as a matter of habit.

Thanks, anyone have any links for Strach's post?

[calidreamin]

TY and Good Morning to you!
Need help on this, still bugging me, and sorry to sound like a broken record, but, I dont think anyone has ever replied to this question-

Does it bother anyone that the kids passports were in NC car?? The affidavit says BC confiscated them, and then in plain site, he retrieves them from her car- I want to know if lE saw them when they first searched the car, if not, he put them back, but when??

I think Brad put the kids passports back her car afterward to make it look
like their marital problems were not that bad. I remember when she was still missing he kept saying that they had a few issues but nothing that bad.

[strach304]

One of the things I've specifically learned from following these cases for so long is when it's a husband/wife in the home and vehicles, it's very hard for LE to get incriminating forensic evidence. Anyone here that has followed the Michelle Young case, Laci Peterson etc. knows this. MY was a very messy murder and even though there were many things that pointed to her husband that case remains open.

Too many cases to site the similarities without going off topic so I'll just comment on some of the questions and ideas I've seen. When LE are questioning neighbors, stopping cars, going to businesses for videos doesn't mean they don't have lots of evidence already. Witnesses and video evidence can be very useful at trial especially if they end up with no incriminating dna. As long as the results take to get anyway they are old time gumshoeing it or just gathering as much as they can get to take to the prosecutor.

[Blink34]

I think Brad put the kids passports back her car afterward to make it look
like their marital problems were not that bad. I remember when she was still missing he kept saying that they had a few issues but nothing that bad.

Yes, agreed, but I think he put them in her car after receiving the Custody order, so imo, if he is not in jail on 7/25, he intends to fight for them.

[strach304]

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A woman goes on a early morning jog and simply disappears.
She is a seasoned runner and is preparing/practicing to run a marathon.
Her husband is the last person to see her alive.
Some 'items' were found in the park but didn't lead LE to her.

We have some savory characters who loaf around our parks on the weekends.
Makes me wonder if she ran into a drug deal....

ETA-Fox news this morning (Monday) reported that Nancy's ID, liscense and keys were at home.
She was also suppose to meet friends later that morning after her run.
I too saw the update on Fox News this morning. I never leave home without my cellphone & ID but everyone's different. I wonder if she had had the phone with her if it would've helped ~ and I'm sure hoping that this time the husband isn't the perpetrator.

This is the origin for the info on the purse and phone.

[strach304]

Thanks, anyone have any links for Strach's post?

Blink, there were actually 2 posters that watched that Fox program and I tried to copy the quote box and reply but only one came up.

[mahmoo]

I think Brad put the kids passports back her car afterward to make it look
like their marital problems were not that bad. I remember when she was still missing he kept saying that they had a few issues but nothing that bad.

Purely speculation on my part but, after she was murdered, was he possibly contemplating heading to Canada with the children himself to avoid being arrested? A vehicle just seems like an odd place to keep passports........I could understand it if they lived on the US/Canadian border.

[curiositycat]

About thirty minutes ago or so there was an interview on Fox News with one of the producers from Fox who is on the ground in NC. He made the casual comment that they may have more then one person they are looking at as suspects.
I don't know if anyone else heard this? I have had a strange feeling that perhaps the person he was having an affair with was in on it.
Just a feeling that I can't seem to shake.
As far as the passports being in her car??? That is kind-of odd since we have heard that he was keeping them from her.
I will say this though, it's really not uncommon for people who are having marital troubles to keep things in their car. If you have some paperwork you think your soon to be "ex" might steal from you when you are at work, ect. the safest place to keep it is in your car. I went through an ugly divorce once and I did that. I knew that my ex would not be allowed in the parking lot where I worked at the time. Security would have chased him off.

[WI Friend]

Purely speculation on my part but, after she was murdered, was he possibly contemplating heading to Canada with the children himself to avoid being arrested? A vehicle just seems like an odd place to keep passports........I could understand it if they lived on the US/Canadian border.


I agree. It is very strange to keep your passports in the car. Maybe he wanted it to look like she was going to take off.

[curiositycat]

Purely speculation on my part but, after she was murdered, was he possibly contemplating heading to Canada with the children himself to avoid being arrested? A vehicle just seems like an odd place to keep passports........I could understand it if they lived on the US/Canadian border.
I don't think he was planning on heading to Canada because he had this Ironman thing coming up and he was obsessed with it.
I also think he wanted NC to leave and take the children. I truly think the affair had turned into "love" and he wanted nothing else to do with NC or the kids. He was living in a fantasy in his head IMO. or.........

We had a case last year in Colorado that this one reminds me of. It was a cops wife having an affair with another cop. When the other cop tried to break up with her she blamed his wife and killed her.

[NC-Curious]

I agree. It is very strange to keep your passports in the car. Maybe he wanted it to look like she was going to take off.

If he made it appear she was going to take off with the kids, wouldn't that also appear to be a motive?

[carolinalady]

I don't think he was planning on heading to Canada because he had this Ironman thing coming up and he was obsessed with it.
I also think he wanted NC to leave and take the children. I truly think the affair had turned into "love" and he wanted nothing else to do with NC or the kids. He was living in a fantasy in his head IMO. or.........

We had a case last year in Colorado that this one reminds me of. It was a cops wife having an affair with another cop. When the other cop tried to break up with her she blamed his wife and killed her.


From reading his website posts it is apparent he was very disappointed that he wasn't able to compete in the previous year's race. However, I don't see that he updated his training log or blog posts since Jan 08. Am I missing it somewhere?

[nursebeeme]

From reading his website posts it is apparent he was very disappointed that he wasn't able to compete in the previous year's race. However, I don't see that he updated his training log or blog posts since Jan 08. Am I missing it somewhere?

Clady,
Very interesting... and it fits with other known events..
~in winter 08 he threatened suicided
~Jan 08 he graduated with his MBA

http://www.ironmanusa.com/
my hubby is an ironman triathlete... he tells me that if bc is registered for a race it will show up on the site. I just checked and bc is NOT REGISTERED FOR IRONMAN USA (lake placid) interesting..

and sadly noted when searching just "cooper" there is a nancy cooper registered...but it is not our nancy...she is in the 45-49 age group...

[nursebeeme]

I also searched the following ironman races and there is not a brad cooper registered: ironman cord'alene, ironman canada, ironman california 70.3.. which is a half ironman, and ironmans florida, wisconsin, and arizona

[panthera]

I agree. It is very strange to keep your passports in the car. Maybe he wanted it to look like she was going to take off.
I wouldn't think it's the safest place either, like what if the car got stolen or something? On the other hand, maybe she felt she should have them with her whenever she went out? Or, like you said, maybe he wanted to make it look like she was going to take off and put them there along with her purse. It's probably something we won't ever know.

[mahmoo]

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?

Blink, this article doesn't mention JA's name specifically just says "a friend"......it's the ONLY reference I've been able to locate so far.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25723445/

From referenced link...

No one other than Brad Cooper is known to have come forward to say they saw Nancy after she left a Friday night neighborhood party that she attended alone, although a friend spoke to her on the phone at 10:30 p.m. that same evening.

[panthera]

Blink, this article doesn't mention JA's name specifically just says "a friend"......it's the ONLY reference I've been able to locate so far.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25723445/

From referenced link...
No one other than Brad Cooper is known to have come forward to say they saw Nancy after she left a Friday night neighborhood party that she attended alone, although a friend spoke to her on the phone at 10:30 p.m. that same evening.

This is interesting! I thought she returned from the party around midnight? :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

She did, Panthera. Jessica Adam called her and talked to her while she was at the party. (Which means she did have her cell phone with her!)

[Star12]

As US citizens, we don't have to worry about such things as passports. The Coopers were Canadian citizens, and here on Brad's work visa. I certainly don't know the law, but it seems to me that carrying your passport would be a prudent thing to do for an alien.

And as far as Brad taking them previously, that's another control issue, just like withholding household money.

Again, I don't know much about passports, but are not infants put on a parent's passport? Are the children citizens of the US, Canadian, or dual? Either way, they would need documentation to fly between the two countries. Perhaps Brad would need to return the passports to the car so he could drive the children.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't think it's the safest place either, like what if the car got stolen or something? On the other hand, maybe she felt she should have them with her whenever she went out? Or, like you said, maybe he wanted to make it look like she was going to take off and put them there along with her purse. It's probably something we won't ever know.Maybe she had them in the car because she was afraid if they were in the house and if she had to leave FAST...she would be able to drive straight to the airport. Also, maybe he never looked in the car and she felt it was a "safe" place from him...until he surprised her. This to me is a clue that she was frightened of him and had a plan to exit if things exploded. Unfortunately, she never had that chance.

[SeriouslySearching]

Again, I don't know much about passports, but are not infants put on a parent's passport? Are the children citizens of the US, Canadian, or dual? Either way, they would need documentation to fly between the two countries. Perhaps Brad would need to return the passports to the car so he could drive the children.Not sure about Canada, but when my dd took her son to Mexico on vacation...she was required to have a passport, birth certificate (to prove paternity), and a notarized letter from his father stating his permission for the child to leave the country. No children are not included on an adult parent's passport.

[SeriouslySearching]

About thirty minutes ago or so there was an interview on Fox News with one of the producers from Fox who is on the ground in NC. He made the casual comment that they may have more then one person they are looking at as suspects.
I don't know if anyone else heard this? I have had a strange feeling that perhaps the person he was having an affair with was in on it.
Just a feeling that I can't seem to shake.
I missed it! It is possible. Bobby Cutts Jr. enlisted the help of his old high school buddy, Myesha, just to ride with him and we see how that turned out.

[panthera]

She did, Panthera. Jessica Adam called her and talked to her while she was at the party. (Which means she did have her cell phone with her!)
Yes, at least she had it with her at the party, but didn't take it when she went out to jog! (I never go anywhere without mine! :) ) Anyways, the call doesn't mean too much since the last time she was seen by anyone but Brad was 1-1/2 hr. later.

[panthera]

Maybe she had them in the car because she was afraid if they were in the house and if she had to leave FAST...she would be able to drive straight to the airport. Also, maybe he never looked in the car and she felt it was a "safe" place from him...until he surprised her. This to me is a clue that she was frightened of him and had a plan to exit if things exploded. Unfortunately, she never had that chance.
The more I think about it, having the passports in the car is consistent with her purse being there. You might be right, it might have been the safest place and they'd be there if she had to leave in a hurry.

[curiositycat]

Maybe she had them in the car because she was afraid if they were in the house and if she had to leave FAST...she would be able to drive straight to the airport. Also, maybe he never looked in the car and she felt it was a "safe" place from him...until he surprised her. This to me is a clue that she was frightened of him and had a plan to exit if things exploded. Unfortunately, she never had that chance.
This is what I think also. If she had to leave quickly she wanted those passports with her! It was clear he was being abusive, according to what her parents have stated in the custody papers. Isn't that "abusive woman training 101" Always be prepared to leave quickly if necessary?

[SeriouslySearching]

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?I heard her say it on the phone during an interview on Fox so it came straight from her mouth (no way to reference it). She also said she called LE at approximately 1:00pm, too...so that is what I have been using on her timeline. However, the other reports state it was later.

[mahmoo]

I certainly don't know the law, but it seems to me that carrying your passport would be a prudent thing to do for an alien.

Star, I certainly don't know this for a fact but, I would think as resident aliens (sounds weird....lol) they would only be required to have their "green cards" with them at all times......not a passport.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is what I think also. If she had to leave quickly she wanted those passports with her! It was clear he was being abusive, according to what her parents have stated in the custody papers. Isn't that "abusive woman training 101" Always be prepared to leave quickly if necessary?Yes, yes..it is. Have a plan in place and prepare to leave at a moment's notice. I think the passports clued him into her having a plan.

I am confused tho. WHEN did he take the passports out of the car? While LE was watching or when?!

[panthera]

I missed it! It is possible. Bobby Cutts Jr. enlisted the help of his old high school buddy, Myesha, just to ride with him and we see how that turned out.
It's possible someone else was involved in this murder too, but that makes me wonder if LE has checked Brad's phone records to see who he might have called that night or on Saturday morning? IIRC, that's how everything fell apart for Myeisha and Bobby Cutts.

[curiositycat]

Star, I certainly don't know this for a fact but, I would think as resident aliens (sounds weird....lol) they would only be required to have their "green cards" with them at all times......not a passport.
This is an true fact. All you need is your green card.

[calidreamin]

Yes, agreed, but I think he put them in her car after receiving the Custody order, so imo, if he is not in jail on 7/25, he intends to fight for them.

I agree with this.

[mahmoo]

This is what I think also. If she had to leave quickly she wanted those passports with her! It was clear he was being abusive, according to what her parents have stated in the custody papers. Isn't that "abusive woman training 101" Always be prepared to leave quickly if necessary?

I thought NC's parents stated in the custody application that BC had hidden/taken the children's passports though so how could NC have hidden them in the car? Wasn't BC ordered to turn over the passports to her parents? Which would mean he was the one in possession of them.....not NC.

And on a side note........If I was trying to hide something from hubby I wouldn't put it in a car.......not enough hiding places there. I would place it somewhere in my house where I could get to it quickly if need be.

[calidreamin]

I thought NC's parents stated in the custody application that BC had hidden/taken the children's passports though so how could NC have hidden them in the car? Wasn't BC ordered to turn over the passports to her parents? Which would mean he was the one in possession of them.....not NC.

And on a side note........If I was trying to hide something from hubby I wouldn't put it in a car.......not enough hiding places there. I would place it somewhere in my house where I could get to it quickly if need be.

Yes I read that in the custody application. It stated that Brad had hidden the passports from Nancy so she could not take the children to Canada. It also stated he wouldn't give her grocery money for the kids so her family had to send it to her.:mad:

[Magister]

WHEN did he take the passports out of the car? While LE was watching or when?!

The original article which was the source of this story says the following;

In the complaint, Rentz, ... and Lister say that a few months ago Bradley Cooper had removed the children's passports from Nancy Cooper's vehicle, essentially prohibiting her from moving to Canada with the children.

I haven't spoken-up about this part, thus far because I considered it more of a sideshow and a natural function of people catching-up, but clearly the unfounded speculation about the passports is starting to take a life of its own and it needs a correction.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1144548.html

[curiositycat]

The original article which was the source of this story says the following;



I haven't spoken-up about this part, thus far because I considered it more of a sideshow and a natural function of people catching-up, but clearly the unfounded speculation about the passports is starting to take a life of its own and it needs a correction.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1144548.html

Right. But do we have any proof that he put them back in the vehicle? I keep hearing this but have seen no link to back it up with. Thanks for this one.

[warrkat]

I heard her say it on the phone during an interview on Fox so it came straight from her mouth (no way to reference it). She also said she called LE at approximately 1:00pm, too...so that is what I have been using on her timeline. However, the other reports state it was later.

I heard her interviewed, too, by phone. And, even though she said 1:00, the news channels are still repeating 2:00-2:30. Don't know that it makes any difference, but why aren't they taking her word for it?

She also said that when she talked to him, she didn't get any particular feeling of fear or misgiving about him. Those aren't the words she used, and I can't remember exactly what she said, but at the time, I thought maybe she just thought that maybe he didn't know what to do, so she just did it for him.

I'm curious why she called her friend at a party. Did she live close enough that she might have seen a strange car at the house?

[Magister]

Right. But do we have any proof that he put them back in the vehicle? I keep hearing this but have seen no link to back it up with. Thanks for this one.

The judge ordered that their passports be returned. Brad was staying at friend's during that timeframe and the custody application says that he wasn't being given access to the house, so I don't know that Brad actually had possession of the kid's passports at the time of the hearing. He obviously didn't have the car and for all we know, the police are the ones who made the transfer.

[warrkat]

The original article which was the source of this story says the following;



I haven't spoken-up about this part, thus far because I considered it more of a sideshow and a natural function of people catching-up, but clearly the unfounded speculation about the passports is starting to take a life of its own and it needs a correction.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1144548.html

That's an important point, imo. No one really even knows whether he kept those passports from her or not. We don't know if he refused to give her money. It's been reported that he did a lot of things, according to her family. I don't know these people, have no reason to doubt them..... just saying, we don't know.

[IMHO63]

I heard her interviewed, too, by phone. And, even though she said 1:00, the news channels are still repeating 2:00-2:30. Don't know that it makes any difference, but why aren't they taking her word for it?

She also said that when she talked to him, she didn't get any particular feeling of fear or misgiving about him. Those aren't the words she used, and I can't remember exactly what she said, but at the time, I thought maybe she just thought that maybe he didn't know what to do, so she just did it for him.

I'm curious why she called her friend at a party. Did she live close enough that she might have seen a strange car at the house?

If Jessica Adam is the friend that called NC at the party, her house is about 4.5 miles from NC's house in a different subdivision.

[warrkat]

If Jessica Adam is the friend that called NC at the party, her house is about 4.5 miles from NC's house in a different subdivision.

Yes, it was Jessica Adam who was interviewd. Okay, scratch that theory then. I just thought it would be unusual to call somebody at a party, especially when you're going to see them the next day.

[panthera]

That's an important point, imo. No one really even knows whether he kept those passports from her or not. We don't know if he refused to give her money. It's been reported that he did a lot of things, according to her family. I don't know these people, have no reason to doubt them..... just saying, we don't know.
I'll agree, we haven't heard his side of the story, and often when there are marital problems both sides accuse the other person of a lot of things. Not that I'm saying Nancy made it up, but it would help to hear what Brad has to say too.

[SuziQ]

I have alot to catch up with on this thread and will do that. Quick question though, what are the details and links regarding the passport ending up back in Nancy's car? Thanks!

[panthera]

I'm not sure either, SuziQ and I'm trying to find the article.

[Blink34]

Yes, it was Jessica Adam who was interviewd. Okay, scratch that theory then. I just thought it would be unusual to call somebody at a party, especially when you're going to see them the next day.

I saw it is "are we still on" and I think it was a ruse anyway, so Jessica called her cell instead of her home?

[Just the Fax]

The Cary Police present their felony cases to the Wake County Grand Jury every other Monday for indictment.

The schedule is:

7-28-08
8-11-08
8-25-08

Looks like the earliest we will see an arrest is Monday evening, 7-28-08.
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[Blink34]

The Cary Police present their felony cases to the Wake County Grand Jury every other Monday for indictment.

The schedule is:

7-28-08
8-11-08
8-25-08

Looks like the earliest we will see an arrest is Monday evening, 7-28-08.

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Exclusively? That is a new one for me-

[warrkat]

I saw it is "are we still on" and I think it was a ruse anyway, so Jessica called her cell instead of her home?

makes sense.

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw it is "are we still on" and I think it was a ruse anyway, so Jessica called her cell instead of her home?Also, she may have known that Nancy was feeling stressed earlier and was checking in on her. She may have known that Nancy was going to confront Brad in some way that night after the party. Yes, I don't see Jessica calling the neighbor's home to talk to Nancy...so makes sense she had her cell phone with her.

[SeriouslySearching]

That's an important point, imo. No one really even knows whether he kept those passports from her or not. We don't know if he refused to give her money. It's been reported that he did a lot of things, according to her family. I don't know these people, have no reason to doubt them..... just saying, we don't know.I believe it was inferred by the parents that the reason they went to Hilton Head to visit with Nancy was because she did not have the passports at that time. I do not believe that the family would have included this in the custody petition if it were not factual and came directly from Nancy.

[warrkat]

I believe it was inferred by the parents that the reason they went to Hilton Head to visit with Nancy was because she did not have the passports at that time. I do not believe that the family would have included this in the custody petition if it were not factual and came directly from Nancy.

They probably wouldn't have. They only know what she told them. As I said, I'm not doubting their word, only saying that we don't know.

If there's another hearing on the 25th, and he chooses to fight for his children, he'll probably have witnesses to refute some or all of what they are saying. Something tells me that he won't fight. There's something "off" about him, but I can't decide if he doesn't care what happens, or if he realizes he's a crummy dad and the children would be better off with their grandparents...... at least for now.

[SeriouslySearching]

I highly doubt he will fight to regain custody. Hard to raise two kids in jail, I hear. LOL

[warrkat]

I highly doubt he will fight to regain custody. Hard to raise two kids in jail, I hear. LOL

LOL. Well, yes. But until he is arrested, or at least named a suspect, he is still their dad, and I would think they'd have to prove their allegations. I hope that by the time that hearing rolls around, he will either be cleared or arrested. Even if he IS cleared (and I have to agree that he probably won't be), he might give them custody, anyway.

[Just the Fax]

Exclusively? That is a new one for me-

Yep.
That's why I posted it.

[nursebeeme]

TY and Good Morning to you!
Need help on this, still bugging me, and sorry to sound like a broken record, but, I dont think anyone has ever replied to this question-

Does it bother anyone that the kids passports were in NC car?? The affidavit says BC confiscated them, and then in plain site, he retrieves them from her car- I want to know if lE saw them when they first searched the car, if not, he put them back, but when??

:eye::eye:hey blink (awww...look at the cute little blink smiley!)

Yes it completely bothers me about the passports. He took them from her so she couldn't take the children back to Canada to live with her sister and then bingo! they are in the car.

My theory on this: he put them in the car during his cleanup.. If you go back and read calgary123's posts on Brad and his personality it completely fits...his ex girlfriend that posted here also said if he did it he would have planned it to down to the last tiny detail (ie, he was a perfectionist)

Ps, I bumped all of those posts to the "brad" thread

[panthera]

LOL. Well, yes. But until he is arrested, or at least named a suspect, he is still their dad, and I would think they'd have to prove their allegations. I hope that by the time that hearing rolls around, he will either be cleared or arrested. Even if he IS cleared (and I have to agree that he probably won't be), he might give them custody, anyway.
One thing I'm not clear on, from something I heard on Fox News today, is this ~ was he given the opportunity to fight this last order or not? I thought he just didn't fight it but now I'm not sure.

[warrkat]

One thing I'm not clear on, from something I heard on Fox News today, is this ~ was he given the opportunity to fight this last order or not? I thought he just didn't fight it but now I'm not sure.

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.

[panthera]

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.
So in other words, Brad didn't know it was going to happen until after it was over and he had to turn the children over to Nancy's family? That's the impression I got from what I heard on Fox today. :eek:

[nursebeeme]

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?

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The body hasn't been identified yet. They're hoping that will be done sometime this morning. They showed her husband thanking the volunteers yesterday. The best friend's name is Clea Morwick. She said that Nancy jogged with a partner a lot but that it wasn't unusual for her to go alone. She said that she knew Carrie, the friend Brad said that she was supposed to be jogging with. Carrie said that they hadn't planned to jog together that day. Megan Kelly asked about marital problems. Clea said that Nancy wouldn't run off on her own--that she would never leave for any reason. She said there was no reason to believe Brad would do anything and that he had been out there as much as anyone else. Nancy wouldn't have taken off for some down time. She always showed up when she said she would. There was no way that she would have gone off to meet someone. The night before she went missing. she mentioned that she was going jogging the next morning. Clea said that she has to be strong for Nancy's family. She's hoping that the body they found isn't Nancy.
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this is per friend Clea who was at the party

[SeriouslySearching]

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.Correct. They will return to court on July 25th so he can make his case providing he wants to fight for them. This was only an emergency temporary custody hearing.

[nursebeeme]

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I'm a long-time lurker here, ever since the Scott Peterson days. I was fascinated with that case, because I couldn't understand how someone could do something so horrific to their own pregnant wife. I actually thought he didn't do it, and didn't change my mind until during or after the trial.

If I say anything I'm not supposed to here, my apologies. Let me also add that I'm no expert, am only giving my personal opinion, and that I could be flat wrong in every opinion I'm about to give.

Now this is a little crazy and too close to home, because I used to share a place with Brad Cooper. So I thought I'd log in and share my knowledge with a board that has given me a lot of knowledge over the years.

Its pretty amazing how well some of the posters have pegged his personality based on his online websites. In my opinion, he is the most narcissistic person I have ever known. He is also very driven, and has a high level of self confidence.

It is hard to explain, but he can be very social but also very withdrawn. He avoids outward conflict and will let his thoughts stew for a long time before you even would know he had an issue with something-- something I learned being his roommate. He would often be very quiet but in his early 20's had a hard-partying edge that would come out once and a while, where suddenly he was the life of the party.

He's always liked cars... I laughed when I heard he had 2 BMW's on the driveway, that sounds just like him. He wouldn't buy something unless it had a certain appeal factor. He wants to be the picture of success, to his peers and to women.

He's often a very nice guy, but I always had a deep mistrust of him. He was not someone who I would say would "do anything for a friend", whereas most people I know and hang out with are like that.

If one assumes that he did it (and I won't profess to know because the media also aren't to be trusted in my experience) it would be very much like him to want to seem cooperative etc., and do things like agreeing to attend a press conference, and then withdrawing at the last minute. He would be too afraid to have the confrontation of telling someone up front he wasn't going to attend-- he would rather lie about attending, and then just not show up, thereby avoiding the 'confrontation', at least in the short term.

I know two of his ex-girlfriends fairly well... they had much more of an insight into his dark side and each of them had shared some of that with some of his friends post-breakup. Its been so long now that I can't really remember what they had told me, and since he's not someone who has any impact or influence on my life, I had forgotten about him entirely.

Anyway, I think its quite possible he did it. This is not a situation where its someone who you think could never do such a thing. I've spoken to people who knew him better than I did this evening (everyone was phoning everyone, this is huge news), and his closest/oldest friends seem to be surprised, but also won't say "he would never do that". Others think he is absolutely capable of it.

If he didn't do it, I really feel sorry for him. Regardless, its her family who we should be concerned about. Those two girls have been deprived of their mother, and her parents and siblings deprived of a daughter and sister.

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Speaking of the former girlfriends or women he dated, do you recall any of them saying he was controlling or jealous? Did he cheat on them? This would strike me to be par for the course with him.

Was he a perfectionist?

I think it is very interesting what you said about this:

I can't recall anything about jealousy. In terms of controlling, that may fit but more in a passive-aggressive way. His style was not direct confrontation. He would never tell someone he