Daily Camera article...Thanks to Greenleaf at FFJ!

[Ames]

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/19/boulder-da-ties-hands-of-successor-in-ramsey/

This is a very interesting article that was posted today 7/19/08, in the Daily Camera.

[TinaD]

The last line sums everything up!

[trixie]

Thank you for posting this Ames. I read it over there but others may not have. It's an important perspective.

[SuperDave]

Somebody ( I know who, but I'm not tellin') read it and was nice enough to link up with the article in "The Patriot Ledger." And guess who that was written by?

yep, you guessed it: Wendy Murphy. Boy, she, Pat Brown and li'l ol' me have really started something!

On an more pleasant note, today is my brother's FIRST wedding anniversary! Everyone here wish them well, please?

[trixie]

:highfive: Congratulations SuperDaves brother!! Many more!!

[Ames]

Somebody ( I know who, but I'm not tellin') read it and was nice enough to link up with the article in "The Patriot Ledger." And guess who that was written by?

yep, you guessed it: Wendy Murphy. Boy, she, Pat Brown and li'l ol' me have really started something!

On an more pleasant note, today is my brother's FIRST wedding anniversary! Everyone here wish them well, please?

Happy First Wedding anniversary to your brother, SD. :)

[UKGuy]

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2008/jul/19/boulder-da-ties-hands-of-successor-in-ramsey/

This is a very interesting article that was posted today 7/19/08, in the Daily Camera.

Ames,
Yes , interesting, notice how more and more people are now questioning the intruder theory. That article indirectly questions the probity of the DA and her involvement in handing out exculpatory notices of innocence.


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[LI_Mom]

Happy Anniversary to your brother & sister-in-law & may they have many more in the future, SD.


I wonder if Lacy should/could lose her license over this incompetent stunt of hers?

I wonder if Boulder should take actions to at least reverse this idiotic pronouncement of hers in the event that they ever do want to prosecute Ramsey in the future?

Boulder should be PROTECTING their own prosecutors from having to overcome roadblocks (political favors) set by a questionable DA.

[Holdontoyourhat]

Sometime between 10 p.m. Christmas night 1996 and the early hours of the next morning, an intruder slipped into the Ramseys' home, and, while the rest of the family slept, took JonBenet from her bedroom, sexually assaulted, bludgeoned, and strangled her, hid the body in a wine cellar in the basement, and then took the time to write both a draft and a final version of a three-page letter, demanding $118,000, which happened to be the exact sum of the bonus John Ramsey had received from his company earlier that year.
The killer then went back upstairs and placed the letter on a staircase, before slipping out into the night.

We're forced to believe some version of this, but I'll tell you that this version isn't just a little off, its way off. Who made up this version, anyway?

Perp could've 'slipped in' while the R's were at the W's.

Perp coud've attempted to move JBR using blanket, tape, wrist cord to a car, and she refused or fought back or screamed. OR perp could've decided JBR wasn't as expected, OR perp could've felt comfortable in the basement to assault and kill right there.

RN could've been written in the afternoon, and placed on the stairs as a tripwire in case a family member came down during the night. A loner perp would need a warning of a family member coming down to look for JBR missing from her bed.

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.

[Chrishope]

RN could've been written in the afternoon, and placed on the stairs as a tripwire in case a family member came down during the night. A loner perp would need a warning of a family member coming down to look for JBR missing from her bed.

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.

Blank paper would have served just as well as a warning device, or if you want someone to spend time reading, then start screaming, just a short simple "We've got your daughter" would have done as well.

How is a 3 page handwritten letter a clue that it wasn't a household member etc. ? By what logic did you arrive at that conclusion?

[Solace]

We're forced to believe some version of this, but I'll tell you that this version isn't just a little off, its way off. Who made up this version, anyway?

Perp could've 'slipped in' while the R's were at the W's.

Perp coud've attempted to move JBR using blanket, tape, wrist cord to a car, and she refused or fought back or screamed. OR perp could've decided JBR wasn't as expected, OR perp could've felt comfortable in the basement to assault and kill right there.

RN could've been written in the afternoon, and placed on the stairs as a tripwire in case a family member came down during the night. A loner perp would need a warning of a family member coming down to look for JBR missing from her bed.

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.

Yeah Holdon, she may as well as screamed, because her parents are deaf anyway.

[Holdontoyourhat]

Blank paper would have served just as well as a warning device, or if you want someone to spend time reading, then start screaming, just a short simple "We've got your daughter" would have done as well.

How is a 3 page handwritten letter a clue that it wasn't a household member etc. ? By what logic did you arrive at that conclusion?

I easily disagree with this. I would keep looking for JBR missing from her bed if I only found blank paper. Blank paper does nothing.

How safe it is to leave handwriting at a captial murder scene is a function of how far you are from these groups. If you're a member of a small foreign faction, then is safe to leave handwriting. If you're a friend or relative, then its not safe.

[LI_Mom]

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.

So that leaves.....

the dog????

[LI_Mom]

I easily disagree with this. I would keep looking for JBR missing from her bed if I only found blank paper. Blank paper does nothing.

How safe it is to leave handwriting at a captial murder scene is a function of how far you are from these groups. If you're a member of a small foreign faction, then is safe to leave handwriting. If you're a friend or relative, then its not safe.

If you're a member of a small foreign faction, you say:

We have your daughter.

Expect a phone call.

[Holdontoyourhat]

If you're a member of a small foreign faction, you say:

We have your daughter.

Expect a phone call.

All the threats and verbage are just part of the perp's schtick. You're incorrectly concluding that if its not the parents, then it has to be a practical or professional ransom kidnapper that goes by a standard set of rules or something.

[LI_Mom]

All the threats and verbage are just part of the perp's schtick. You're incorrectly concluding that if its not the parents, then it has to be a practical or professional ransom kidnapper that goes by a standard set of rules or something.

Well we do agree it's schtick.

But you can make a case BOTH WAYS & I happen to think it's MOST LIKELY that it was written by Patsy maybe with a few suggestions from John if he was in the room while the thing was being written.

[SuperDave]

Well we do agree it's schtick.

But you can make a case BOTH WAYS & I happen to think it's MOST LIKELY that it was written by Patsy maybe with a few suggestions from John if he was in the room while the thing was being written.

That's about all we agree on.

How is a 3 page handwritten letter a clue that it wasn't a household member etc. ? By what logic did you arrive at that conclusion?

Must you ask, Chrishope?

[JMO8778]

a perp placing the RN on the stairs doesn't stack up,any way you look at it.he'd have to step over the RN,while at the same time carrying JB...a highly improbable feat.
only other way possible is to carry Jb down the stairs,put her down,turn around and place the note on the stairs...pick her back up and make way to obscure basement room (when there was an outside door right there..).
or,the other,most logical possibility is...someone(s) who lives in the house knows JB is already dead in the basement,(so no need to step over the note,etc.) and in that respect,with no forethought at all..places note on stairs for LE to find,then makes 911 call.

It is really just that simple.

[Holdontoyourhat]

a perp placing the RN on the stairs doesn't stack up,any way you look at it.he'd have to step over the RN,while at the same time carrying JB...a highly improbable feat.
only other way possible is to carry Jb down the stairs,put her down,turn around and place the note on the stairs...pick her back up and make way to obscure basement room (when there was an outside door right there..).
or,the other,most logical possibility is...someone(s) who lives in the house knows JB is already dead in the basement,(so no need to step over the note,etc.) and in that respect,with no forethought at all..places note on stairs for LE to find,then makes 911 call.

It is really just that simple.

Funny, I figured there were three (3) perps. Y'know, just like the RN stated. Is there a problem placing the RN on the stairs if there are two other gentlemen helping out?

[JMO8778]

well make up your mind then ! you've been saying there was only one at last count.
seriously,if there were 3 possible perps,you'd think they could have gotten a small child out of the house,no problem.
..esp. when the door was right there!

still doesn't stack up.

[UKGuy]

well make up your mind then ! you've been saying there was only one at last count.
seriously,if there were 3 possible perps,you'd think they could have gotten a small child out of the house,no problem.
..esp. when the door was right there!

still doesn't stack up.


JMO8778,
Whats worse is that there is no need for any kidnapper to write any ransom note, especially there in the house during the commission of a crime, that is simply stupid. Any kidnapper would simply grab JonBenet remove her from the house then a time suited to the kidnapper e.g. not 6am that morning, the kidnapper might phone from a payphone in another state outlining the ransom demands.

So the following items are not required at all, during the kidnapping and death of JonBenet, that is they are totally redundant!

1. Ransom Note.
2. Garrote.
3. Size-12's, Longjohns, and blankets.




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[Chrishope]

Funny, I figured there were three (3) perps. Y'know, just like the RN stated. Is there a problem placing the RN on the stairs if there are two other gentlemen helping out?

OK, that would work, but then there are additional problems.

3 men have to split 118K, which is less than 40K apiece. Why risk the DP for 40K?

OK, it's a foreign faction, and the money is to go to guns, bombs, etc. 118K doesn't really buy much of that stuff.

OK, they didn't really want to kidnap her, they wanted to kill her to get back at JR for some reason. So now the RN doesn't make any sense, and the sexual assault is unnecessary.

Ok, so now it's a group of Paedophiles, but this again makes the RN unnecessary.

The problem with IDI theory is that as the crime progresses the number of perps has to change, or even if it can remain constant, they have to keep switching hats from foreign terrorist, to kidnapper, to someone with a personal/business beef with JR (remember they "respected" his business), to paedophiles.

No matter how hard you try with IDI theory you just can't square the circle.

[angelwngs]

"There is a killer on the loose," a tearful Patsy Ramsey told CNN. "I don't know who it is. I don't know if it is a he or a she, but if I were a resident of Boulder, I would tell my friends to keep your babies close to you. There's someone out there."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html

A Singular Intruder, Not Plural....at least according to an authority on the case.

[LI_Mom]

well make up your mind then ! you've been saying there was only one at last count.
seriously,if there were 3 possible perps,you'd think they could have gotten a small child out of the house,no problem.
..esp. when the door was right there!

still doesn't stack up.


This would make a hilarious movie..... skinny, little, half asleep JB fighting off THREE terrorists & showing herself to be SUCH a handful that they forget ALL about hating the country that John's company serves.... they abandon their plans to kidnap tiny JB & morph into sexual sadists.

It would still be funny if she only over powered one wannabe terrorist.

JB was evidentally a Powerpuff Girl.... maybe it was the pineapple that gave her these super powers?!

[JMO8778]

well,the she had to have been well-hydrated from eating that pineapple,after all!! LOL.

[KoldKase]

Funny, I figured there were three (3) perps. Y'know, just like the RN stated. Is there a problem placing the RN on the stairs if there are two other gentlemen helping out?

OK, that would work, but then there are additional problems.

3 men have to split 118K, which is less than 40K apiece. Why risk the DP for 40K?

OK, it's a foreign faction, and the money is to go to guns, bombs, etc. 118K doesn't really buy much of that stuff.

OK, they didn't really want to kidnap her, they wanted to kill her to get back at JR for some reason. So now the RN doesn't make any sense, and the sexual assault is unnecessary.

Ok, so now it's a group of Paedophiles, but this again makes the RN unnecessary.

The problem with IDI theory is that as the crime progresses the number of perps has to change, or even if it can remain constant, they have to keep switching hats from foreign terrorist, to kidnapper, to someone with a personal/business beef with JR (remember they "respected" his business), to paedophiles.

No matter how hard you try with IDI theory you just can't square the circle.


Well done.

It was the "Splatter Motive" gang. One wanted to kidnap her for money. One wanted to molest her. One wanted to get back at the U.S. and/or JR. Consider them the "Three Stooges" of child murder.

[KoldKase]

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.


Except that Patsy's handwriting matches the note. As well as her linguistic style. And there are the "inside jokes" in the note. Plus John's bonus amount.... Not to mention, it was her writing pad and her Sharpie pen....

And using a "ransom note" was the only way to get the family out of the house and state as "victims of terrorists", since they would be in a rather uncomfortable place by calling 911 and saying, "Guess what? We found our daughter tied up and strangled to death in our basement! Gosh, wonder who did that?"

[Blondieskatz]

Let's face it. If she had really been kidnapped and somehow an "accident" occurs and she dies why leave the ransom note? Unless she wasn't kidnapped and you need an explanation as to why your daughter is in the basement dead. JMO

And if there really was a kidnapping..why assume the parents found the body? Why not go ahead and call for the ransom money?

[SuperDave]

This would make a hilarious movie..... skinny, little, half asleep JB fighting off THREE terrorists & showing herself to be SUCH a handful that they forget ALL about hating the country that John's company serves.... they abandon their plans to kidnap tiny JB & morph into sexual sadists.

It would still be funny if she only over powered one wannabe terrorist.

JB was evidentally a Powerpuff Girl.... maybe it was the pineapple that gave her these super powers?!

Hey, these three would have to be the stupidest intruders since Curly, Larry and Moe! Funny you should mention them, KoldKase!

Picture them sliding through the basement window:

Idiot #1: They're gone, fellas. Come on!

Idiot #1 goes in. Idiots #2 and #3 land on him.

Idiot #1: What's the big idea? (Slaps Idiot #2 and pokes Idiot #3 in the eyes.)

Up the stairs...

Idiot #1: Give me the note.

Idiot #3: What note?

Idiot #1: The note I told you to bring with you!

Idiot #3: Well, I needed rolling paper for a cigarette.

Idiot #1: You imbecile! (Strikes him in the head)

Later:

Idiot #1: Now you did it!

Idiot #2: I'm a victim of coicumstance!

Idiot #1: Come on, we'll play it off. Give me the tape.

Idiot #2: We forgot the tape!

Idiot #1: Well, we had to forget somethin' or we wouldn't be inept foreign kidnappers!

In all seriousness, during the police presentation in 1998, one of the cops laid out a humorous scenario much like this one! (Read PMPT if you don't believe me!)

[coloradokares]

Hey, these three would have to be the stupidest intruders since Curly, Larry and Moe! Funny you should mention them, KoldKase!

Picture them sliding through the basement window:

Idiot #1: They're gone, fellas. Come on!

Idiot #1 goes in. Idiots #2 and #3 land on him.

Idiot #1: What's the big idea? (Slaps Idiot #2 and pokes Idiot #3 in the eyes.)

Up the stairs...

Idiot #1: Give me the note.

Idiot #3: What note?

Idiot #1: The note I told you to bring with you!

Idiot #3: Well, I needed rolling paper for a cigarette.

Idiot #1: You imbecile! (Strikes him in the head)

Later:

Idiot #1: Now you did it!

Idiot #2: I'm a victim of coicumstance!

Idiot #1: Come on, we'll play it off. Give me the tape.

Idiot #2: We forgot the tape!

Idiot #1: Well, we had to forget somethin' or we wouldn't be inept foreign kidnappers!

In all seriousness, during the police presentation in 1998, one of the cops laid out a humorous scenario much like this one! (Read PMPT if you don't believe me!)

You sure dont give Larry, Moe or Curly much credit! HA!

[JMO8778]

..if such inept KN's had gotten JB out of the house,I picture the whole scenario being one from the movie 'RV'...nothing ever goes right,and they're all a bunch of bungling idiots!

[LinasK]

We're forced to believe some version of this, but I'll tell you that this version isn't just a little off, its way off. Who made up this version, anyway?

Perp could've 'slipped in' while the R's were at the W's.

Perp coud've attempted to move JBR using blanket, tape, wrist cord to a car, and she refused or fought back or screamed. OR perp could've decided JBR wasn't as expected, OR perp could've felt comfortable in the basement to assault and kill right there.

RN could've been written in the afternoon, and placed on the stairs as a tripwire in case a family member came down during the night. A loner perp would need a warning of a family member coming down to look for JBR missing from her bed.

Three page handwritten letter should be a clue that it wasn't written by a household member, neighbor, relative, coworker, etc., etc.

I easily disagree with this. I would keep looking for JBR missing from her bed if I only found blank paper. Blank paper does nothing.

How safe it is to leave handwriting at a captial murder scene is a function of how far you are from these groups. If you're a member of a small foreign faction, then is safe to leave handwriting. If you're a friend or relative, then its not safe.

If you're gonna use paper as a tripwire, you don't bother to write a draft, then re-write a 3 page letter. Blank paper would work just as well. Kidnappers leave the bare minimum that can be traced back to them, and aren't gonna take the time, also they remove the victim from the house. Patsy wrote grandly and with flourishes, but in this case she made thinly disguised attempts to change her handwriting. The RN is to explain why there's a dead body in the basement.

[SuperDave]

You sure dont give Larry, Moe or Curly much credit! HA!

You're right! It's not fair to drag them into this!