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believe09
07-21-2008, 06:09 AM
Please begin Posting again here, and Good Morning!!!

believe09
07-21-2008, 06:59 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67513
(thread number 1)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67574&page=24
(thread number 2)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67680&page=24
(thread number 3)

Nicole_LongIsland
07-21-2008, 08:13 AM
She said Casey may be trying to send clues as to her whereabouts, but isn't able to tell the whole story to investigators.

"I truly believe Casey knows who has Caylee but it's code name. That's why they can't find that person just yet.”

Code? So, LE needs a secret decorder ring? I am not trying to be snarky, but this sounds ridiculous.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

Nicole_LongIsland
07-21-2008, 08:17 AM
“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that's what happened,” said Cindy Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 08:25 AM
A code name. Did I hear that right?

Nicole_LongIsland
07-21-2008, 08:29 AM
A code name. Did I hear that right?

Sadly yes.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 08:36 AM
Baker Act all the way around here.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 08:38 AM
some reading on SRT for you night owls ...I'm off to bed, night.
http://www.supernaturalresponse.com/aboutsrt.html

This was posted by Imnottheonlyone, I did not get the reference- anyone? Thanks

Blink34
07-21-2008, 08:39 AM
A code name. Did I hear that right?

I think your name says it all, this is beyond belief,omg. Why would she need to speak in code- I swear the mom is reading this, remember somebody's The Professional movie post- ugh.

Mygirlsadie
07-21-2008, 08:41 AM
I think gma is starting to become delirious. She needs to be brought back down to reality.







“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that's what happened,” said Cindy Anthony
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

believe09
07-21-2008, 08:47 AM
Now this is getting irritating, if you will forgive me. Keeping in mind, of course, that on the Brooke Bennett case there is a great deal of discussion regarding the emails and conversations between the principals being in code.

Thing is, If I google Nanny I get Fran Drescher.

If I google beach, I get, you guessed it, beaches.

If I google pathological liar...oops now I am going too far, lol.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 08:48 AM
Wonder why they aren't using their myspace accounts anymore???? Maybe they are sick of getting "hate mail" so to speak. I am sure people are sending it to them and telling them to make their daughter talk and say where Caylee is!

ladygator
07-21-2008, 08:49 AM
After watching the interview on GR lastnight, GM and the lawyer leave me:eek:.

I was wanting to smack em through the TV.

believe09
07-21-2008, 08:49 AM
I think that GMA may be grasping at straws, and at this point it is hard not to discount her version of events as the information is being released by her. In her defense, Casey's attorney might be feeding her this information, or even Casey herself.

At least we are getting back to the bones of the situation-Casey holds the key to her daughter's whereabouts.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 08:56 AM
1) When exactly (date) was the car towed to the impound? How did it get towed (meaning who reported it abandoned)?

2)What is the connection between Casey and Zeiniga G? There has to be one, that has been established. Where is the office address where her computer was stolen? On what date, and is their an accompanying police report. Where does this woman work? Is there a connction between her and AMy Huzienga and Ricardo Morales and her?

3) Where was Casey living prior to 6/9?? Someone knows- how about starting with Christine Chester who says she went walking with Casey and Caylee on 6/12, 13, or 14? Why wouldnt Tony know- she was at his place on 6/2?

4) Who is the father-is it on the Birth Certificate? Hinkywayshady.

5) Did the GMA have access to the car prior to the first response team?

6) When did Casey have access to a car, and when did she not?

7) What evidence is there that Casey stole checks- I would think that she would have been charged by now with that as well- why not?

8)Is Ricardo Amy's bf or brother?

9)What occurred between 6/30 and 7/15 with the GMA and Casey that she waits until that day to report Caylee missing. From the warrant account, it states that she called the sherriff herself?

10) When did the gp go on vacay and where?

11) What day did the neighbor see her in the backyard and how did she get there?

12) How the he** is this girl supporting herself?? Child support? Than there is a daddy..

what'd I miss?

Mygirlsadie
07-21-2008, 08:56 AM
Oh I definately believe gma is grasping at straws. She is doing some wishful thinking right now. I don't know if she even believes herself at this moment but the alternative is too much for her to even consider at the moment I guess...

Blink34
07-21-2008, 08:57 AM
After watching the interview on GR lastnight, GM and the lawyer leave me:eek:.

I was wanting to smack em through the TV.

LOL- right, I am no longer allowed to hold the remote during coverage of this case- it is an ample projectile!

believe09
07-21-2008, 09:03 AM
I am not that great at the "code stuff" but here is a link to netlingo which purports to have a pretty complete listing of net language. Anyone see any words that jump out from myspace, statements or otherwise?

http://www.netlingo.com/inframes.cfm

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 09:04 AM
Sooooo, How is Gma receiving these "sent messages". Is this being done via tin foil hats?

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

Caylee Anthony’s grandmother, Cindy Anthony, said the girl's mother may be sending messages from behind bars.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 09:06 AM
Sooooo, How is Gma receiving these "sent messages". Is this being done via tin foil hats?

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

Caylee Anthony’s grandmother, Cindy Anthony, said the girl's mother may be sending messages from behind bars.

LOL- gotta try that!
I think she is trying to get the availability of speaking to her kids w/out it being recorded, imo

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 09:07 AM
Sooooo, How is Gma receiving these "sent messages". Is this being done via tin foil hats?

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/7/21/grandmother_thinks_mother_may_know_caylee39s_locat ion.html

Caylee Anthony’s grandmother, Cindy Anthony, said the girl's mother may be sending messages from behind bars.
I would agree, there are messages coming out of there.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 09:08 AM
Suz-

as you are my go-to GoogleMap goddess.. Can you post a map, indicating where her car was found, the apartments (fake and 232 Glenwood), Tony's apartment and the robbed office, triangulated? I think Christine Chester's was redacted unless someone has that address?

I think Caylee will be found as close to ZG as possible, imho..

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 09:15 AM
Suz-

as you are my go-to GoogleMap goddess.. Can you post a map, indicating where her car was found, the apartments (fake and 232 Glenwood), Tony's apartment and the robbed office, triangulated? I think Christine Chester's was redacted unless someone has that address?

I think Caylee will be found as close to ZG as possible, imho..

I'd love to. I might not get it put together for a few hours. My 13 year old came to me late last night and informed me that tomorrow his scout troupe has a backback check for a week long hike they are doing. Argh!!!! There is like 30 things on this list and most we are going to have to hunt down and buy.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 09:16 AM
Suz-

as you are my go-to GoogleMap goddess.. Can you post a map, indicating where her car was found, the apartments (fake and 232 Glenwood), Tony's apartment and the robbed office, triangulated? I think Christine Chester's was redacted unless someone has that address?

I think Caylee will be found as close to ZG as possible, imho..

I think that it's intirely possible that if Caylee is no longer with us, that Casey would want to implicate an innocent ZG in that as well.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 09:17 AM
I'd love to. I might not get it put together for a few hours. My 13 year old came to me late last night and informed me that tomorrow his scout troupe has a backback check for a week long hike they are doing. Argh!!!! There is like 30 things on this list and most we are going to have to hunt down and buy.


awesome- at your convenience, on my way to swimming lessons with the clan, I hear ya..

ladygator
07-21-2008, 09:17 AM
LOL- right, I am no longer allowed to hold the remote during coverage of this case- it is an ample projectile!

Ha ha, my DH told me to calm down when I started yelling.

Initially, I had my own set of reason why GM was acting like she was. But as the days go by, more info is learned, and she talks more on TV, I have none.

I'm reminded of the movie 'The Client' where Tommy Lee Jones says 'Speak Child, now! Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord! So sayeth the Psalms!

She needs to wake up, stop making excuses for her Daughter, KISS, and realize that her Casey knows where Caylee is. She needs to get her to talk. Plain and simple. No wild conspiracies, no codes, no babysitter, Casey IS IT.

She's :behindbar For a reason.

headndownstream
07-21-2008, 09:20 AM
OH I hate this case!!! Anger/irritation erupts when I watched them on TV again last night. Why can't anyone give a straight answer? That mother is as evasive as her daughter. She goes into these long comments with every word chosen just so, yet she doesn't answer the questions. Same with her attorney. This is the squirrelyest Bunch!

Do they want help or not? She doesn't want her daughter questioned or held responsible, just someone find the granddaughter for her so everything will be good again. I don't know how much more I can take.

warrkat
07-21-2008, 09:21 AM
I think gma is starting to become delirious. She needs to be brought back down to reality.

I'm beginning to think that gma has known all along who has that child, but she needed the attention of LE and the public to help her find them. jmo

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 09:25 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html

The lawyer for the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony will be back in court Monday, trying to get his client freed on bond. Casey Anthony, the girl's 22-year-old mother, has been in jail since her arrest on child neglect charges last week. (more at link)

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 09:28 AM
At a vigil Sunday night, Caylee's grandmother said her own daughter's thoughts may yet be the key to the case. (7/2..

http://www.wftv.com/video/16940687/index.html

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 09:44 AM
Well, jealously has finally surfaced. So Casey could have Caylee hidden someplace.
So who would be stupid enough to assist this girl?

ladygator
07-21-2008, 09:48 AM
OH I hate this case!!! Anger/irritation erupts when I watched them on TV again last night. Why can't anyone give a straight answer? That mother is as evasive as her daughter. She goes into these long comments with every word chosen just so, yet she doesn't answer the questions. Same with her attorney. This is the squirrelyest Bunch!

Do they want help or not? She doesn't want her daughter questioned or held responsible, just someone find the granddaughter for her so everything will be good again. I don't know how much more I can take.

Oh, ITA.

She is not helping at all. While she may want to forget her Daughter's actions, the general public cannot. And most importantly, LE.

She can preach all she wants that Caylee needs to be found. DA - we know that. But until she accepts that her Daughter is key, there is nothing anyone can do.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 09:49 AM
The first time I saw the interview of the Grandfather this seemed strange to me,and now watching the GMA,this whole family seems to have issues.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 10:01 AM
casey's mom speaking live on FOX.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:06 AM
Whoa, that reporter was good.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:08 AM
We are listening to a Gmom who is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. I hope she has a close relationship with her doctor. This is just more than she can handle.

Liz
07-21-2008, 10:08 AM
Caylee's grandma is her own worst enemy, isn't she? Sheesh!

TGIRecovered
07-21-2008, 10:08 AM
Can someone please post a quick synopsis of what's gone on in this case? All I know so far is lying mom, crazy evasive delusional grandma, "dead" baby-daddy no name, everyone who should be helping find the baby is busy hating on Geraldo. Oh, and dead pizza in the trunk.

Help please?

I've had plenty of old food in the back of my mini-van. It mummifies before it rots. She lives in a hot climate just like me, so I'm betting the pizza just dried up.

Susan

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 10:09 AM
This couple seems to walk on egg shells with there daughter,and that just bothers me. Why are they afraid of her. They seem to be hiding something about her.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:13 AM
This couple seems to walk on egg shells with there daughter,and that just bothers me. Why are they afraid of her. They seem to be hiding something about her.
Casey prob threatened to take Caylee away on a permanent basis.

liljim
07-21-2008, 10:14 AM
there either really is a huge strange conspiracy going on behind all this or the grandmother really is cracking, either way that reporter on FOX was neither good nor helpful imo.

it accomplishes nothing to have the grandmother on and just cause an argument and instigate things, reminds me of the nancy grace thing where the girl killed herself, it certainly wasnt nancy's fault, but her berating the girl served no purpose and MAY have contributed to the main witness in the case no longer being available.

dont get me wrong, i dont have much sympathy for grandma at this point, the idea that what she is saying will turn out to be true just flies in the face of logic and history, but i dont think what just took place on FOX did anything to help the investigation, and it just may have hurt.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:14 AM
To ease my own frustration with trying to keep everything straight, I'm going to create and timeline, then a map with links to either media reports or the affidavit. From that I'll create a map. Not sure how long it will take. But below is what I have so far....

5-??-08 Casey leaves for a job/mini vacation with Caylee

6-02-08 Casey’s Boyfriend, Anthony last sees Caylee on this date

6-03-08 Grandma posts on Myspace of relationship difficulties with Casey
http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html)

6-09-08 Casey states that she left Caylee with a babysitter named Zenaida Gonzales
on this date at the Sawgrass Apartments.

6-30-08 Casey’s car, owned by Grandma Cindy is towed from E Colonial Dr & N Goldenrod Rd, Orlando, FL 32807
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)

7-15-08 Casey supposedly receives a phone call from Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html)

7-16-08 Casey is arrested on charges of child neglect and lying to authorities
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 The judge ordered her to have a mental health screening for Baker Act criteria. Now that she's held on no bond, prosecutors say that gives them a 33-day window to file formal charges and then Anthony could ask for bond again.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 and 7-18-08 Search with cadaver dogs conducted at the Grandparent’s home located at Hopespring Dr, Orlando, FL 32829
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

LaLaw2000
07-21-2008, 10:14 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html

The lawyer for the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony will be back in court Monday, trying to get his client freed on bond. Casey Anthony, the girl's 22-year-old mother, has been in jail since her arrest on child neglect charges last week. (more at link)

:eek:....OMG!
Quoting the article - "A strong smell led investigators to focus on an Orange County parking lot and a car that was found there." (I know we have all discussed this)

That statement leads me to believe that the smell that was emanating from the car was without the trunk even being opened yet. Does anyone remember where the 'pizza slice' idea came from? No way one slice of pizza could make THAT much of a smell. LE and cadaver dogs absolutely know whether or not the stench is from a body. I think it was, and that is also why LE had begun to dig in the back yard - as well as knowing Casey borrowed the neighbors shovel. I am sorry to be negative. I am just going to come right out and say that I believe that Caylee's body had been in that trunk at some point. Again, I do apologize for being so negative, but it is what I think.

Not quoting from the above article on this, but Grandma did say that Casey had made her MySpace into a site for finding Caylee before she was arrested. IMO, the grandmother and Casey already knew what happened to Caylee at that time. You see how dominating Grandma can be. They have made up the kidnapping story together and now Grandma is probably afraid Casey is going to blurt something out that implicates her (grandma).

I am watching Fox and Grandma was incredibly rude just now. She is a piece of work! Grandma is getting scared that the real story is going to come out, IMO. This woman is desperate! I say throw her in jail along with Casey - just in another jail.

I have never seen anything like this one! I say prayers for Caylee, and I DO hope I am wrong, but I think Caylee is gone and now flying with the angels.

Salem
07-21-2008, 10:16 AM
Whoa, that reporter was good.

Which reporter BB? I'm running behind this morning and it looks like all you stayed up all night. I'll never catch up :crazy:

On another note - if LE can prove that mom or GMa know where Caylee is or who she is with, do you not think both will be in serious trouble for obstructing justice? As far as Casey goes, if Caylee is alive, there is no reason for her not to tell LE where she is. Even if she is hiding Caylee from Gma, Casey is Caylee's mom and Gma would have no right to go get her, not without a court order. So there is really no reason for Casey not to tell LE or her Attorney where Caylee is. As for Gma - all I can say is that I don't think her daughter likes her very much (that's probably an understatement, huh). I can not imagine having a child that would place themselves in this position. Lying, hiding and sneaking. I know all children do this, but not over something this important or major!

Boggles my mind,

Salem

LaLaw2000
07-21-2008, 10:18 AM
Caylee's grandma is her own worst enemy, isn't she? Sheesh!

Can you believe this woman? She gave Megan hell, didn't she? I am so angry at the grandma I could tear something up and scream!

She needs to go to jail for withholding important information in an investigation when time was of the essence!

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:18 AM
Which reporter BB? I'm running behind this morning and it looks like all you stayed up all night. I'll never catch up :crazy:

On another note - if LE can prove that mom or GMa know where Caylee is or who she is with, do you not think both will be in serious trouble for obstructing justice? As far as Casey goes, if Caylee is alive, there is no reason for her not to tell LE where she is. Even if she is hiding Caylee from Gma, Casey is Caylee's mom and Gma would have no right to go get her, not without a court order. So there is really no reason for Casey not to tell LE or her Attorney where Caylee is. As for Gma - all I can say is that I don't think her daughter likes her very much (that's probably an understatement, huh). I can not imagine having a child that would place themselves in this position. Lying, hiding and sneaking. I know all children do this, but not over something this important or major!

Boggles my mind,

Salem
the blond on fox this morning. the grandmother is over the edge. what we're hearing is a woman who probably hasn't slept or eaten for days. She needs a spokesperson for the family.

LaLaw2000
07-21-2008, 10:22 AM
The Fox reporter's name is Megan Kelley. I thought she did great. Of course Megan got exasperated with grandma. Who wouldn't?

SuziQ, that you so much for that timeline/update!

Salem
07-21-2008, 10:23 AM
the blond on fox this morning. the grandmother is over the edge. what we're hearing is a woman who probably hasn't slept or eaten for days. She needs a spokesperson for the family.


Maybe Clarence Mitchell will come to help?:eek:

Salem

Salem
07-21-2008, 10:24 AM
SuzieQ - on your timeline - I thought the actual date of Gma blog entry talking about Caylee missing and the jealousy was on July 3, 2008, not June 3rd.

Salem

LaLaw2000
07-21-2008, 10:30 AM
Whoa, that reporter was good.

YES! Megan Kelley is good. It is about time that grandma realizes that not everyone thinks she and grandpa are all sweetness and light.

They should let the brother be the family spokesperson. I also highly doubt that grandma will speak with Nancy Grace, Geraldo, or even Megan Kelley again.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:32 AM
SuzieQ - on your timeline - I thought the actual date of Gma blog entry talking about Caylee missing and the jealousy was on July 3, 2008, not June 3rd.

Salem

It could be. if you or someone could pm that link to me, it would help greatly. Thanks!

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 10:33 AM
Megan Kelly would not hurt a fly. I love Fox news and Megan is my favorite on there. She is a class act. Cindy, IMHO, is bipolar. BIG TIME. Because it is sometimes hereditary I think Casey may be also.
I am SICK of Cindy. I am not going to make any excuses for her. There have been many others in her condition who handled the tiredness, ect with GRACE.
This woman is going to be arrested soon. I feel it in my bones. She is obstructing justice.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:36 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2108jul21,0,6848117.story

Deputies arrested the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony too soon after she reported her daughter's disappearance, the child's grandmother said this morning on NBC (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/economy-business-finance/media/television-industry/nbc-ORCRP004494.topic)'s Today Show.

"They made a huge mistake by arresting her that quickly," Cindy Anthony said.

The grandmother said 22-year-old Casey Anthony, who was arrested Wednesday after telling Orange County sheriff's investigators a string of lies about the child's disappearance, could help deputies find Caylee if she wasn't in jail.

"I know Casey knows who has her, but doesn't know where they are at right now," Cindy Anthony said. If released, "maybe she'll take us to her." (more absurdness at the link)

Salem
07-21-2008, 10:38 AM
It could be. if you or someone could pm that link to me, it would help greatly. Thanks!

I'll see if I can find it. One of the posters back on the first or second thread had a direct link to Gma's myspace and the blog was on there. I think the myspace has now been changed or turned private. It was in Gma's blog, but maybe I can find that first post.

I'll be back!

Salem

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 10:40 AM
It is really hard with the way Cindy acts to have any compassion towards her. I think I will turn off the TV next time she is on..unless they are arresting her. If she thinks her daughter knows who has Caylee wouldn't it stand to reason that she does too?

Find Caylee..the grandmother can rot for all I care.

TGIRecovered
07-21-2008, 10:41 AM
the blond on fox this morning. the grandmother is over the edge. what we're hearing is a woman who probably hasn't slept or eaten for days. She needs a spokesperson for the family.

I don't think it's that innocent. LaLaw's theory sounds plausable to me. I think Grandma cooked up some story with Casey to explain Caylee's disappearance. She may have threatened Casey in some way to get her to go along with the story or keep her mouth shut.

Just imagine how many years this woman has had to mess with Casey's mind? No wonder she is so messed up! Now she's practically jumping out of her skin to get private access to Casey. I think she is sweating bullets because she is afraid one of Casey's lies to police will accidentally contain something incriminating about herself. JMO

Who is Tony, and what is this about a missing computer?

susan

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:41 AM
From the Today Show

Where is missing 2-year-old? Her mother may know

Toddler’s grandmother says her jailed daughter ‘knows who has her’

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25780516/

Video at the above link. I can't get a direct link to work

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:42 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2108jul21,0,6848117.story

Deputies arrested the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Marie Anthony too soon after she reported her daughter's disappearance, the child's grandmother said this morning on NBC (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/economy-business-finance/media/television-industry/nbc-ORCRP004494.topic)'s Today Show.

"They made a huge mistake by arresting her that quickly," Cindy Anthony said.

The grandmother said 22-year-old Casey Anthony, who was arrested Wednesday after telling Orange County sheriff's investigators a string of lies about the child's disappearance, could help deputies find Caylee if she wasn't in jail.

"I know Casey knows who has her, but doesn't know where they are at right now," Cindy Anthony said. If released, "maybe she'll take us to her." (more absurdness at the link)
That might be one of the messages coming out of the jail. "Get me out of here and I will tell you where she is".

raeann
07-21-2008, 10:42 AM
This case is so concerning. I am beginning to think after seeing the gma several times on media reports, that I myself might be tempted to hide my child from her! If Casey did this, she is now in a very bad spot. IF she tells where the child is, the gma has all kinds of ammunition to use in trying to take the child away from her, due to all the legal problems this young girl now has to face. She can keep her mouth shut, keep lying, or tell where the child is and end up losing custody of Caylie anyway. If this child is no longer alive, keeping her mouth shut and adding to all the psycho-drama only helps to limit her culpability, as it is obvious she has mental issues and so do other members of her family. IMHO

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:44 AM
I'll see if I can find it. One of the posters back on the first or second thread had a direct link to Gma's myspace and the blog was on there. I think the myspace has now been changed or turned private. It was in Gma's blog, but maybe I can find that first post.

I'll be back!

Salem

The post would be better, because I think it had the actual blog posted here.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:46 AM
Who is Tony, and what is this about a missing computer?

susan

Casey's BF Anthony?

liljim
07-21-2008, 10:47 AM
it was july 3rd. it doesnt even make sense if it was june 3rd as casey and caylee were still living with the grandparents at that point.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 10:49 AM
This case is so concerning. I am beginning to think after seeing the gma several times on media reports, that I myself might be tempted to hide my child from her! If Casey did this, she is now in a very bad spot. IF she tells where the child is, the gma has all kinds of ammunition to use in trying to take the child away from her, due to all the legal problems this young girl now has to face. She can keep her mouth shut, keep lying, or tell where the child is and end up losing custody of Caylie anyway. If this child is no longer alive, keeping her mouth shut and adding to all the psycho-drama only helps to limit her culpability, as it is obvious she has mental issues and so do other members of her family. IMHO
Good post.
The check fraud had me thinking if she never did that type of thing before, she was at a point where "what the heck, i am going to jail anyway". Therefore pointing to the fact she had harmed the child and would be going to jail for that.

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 10:50 AM
I don't think it's that innocent. LaLaw's theory sounds plausable to me. I think Grandma cooked up some story with Casey to explain Caylee's disappearance. She may have threatened Casey in some way to get her to go along with the story or keep her mouth shut.

Just imagine how many years this woman has had to mess with Casey's mind? No wonder she is so messed up! Now she's practically jumping out of her skin to get private access to Casey. I think she is sweating bullets because she is afraid one of Casey's lies to police will accidentally contain something incriminating about herself. JMO

Who is Tony, and what is this about a missing computer?

susan

You know, you are right on! This mother is freaking because she is not able to get at this girl to control her. I too wouldn't be surprised if she hid the girl from the mother. This thing is too bizarre. The more Cindy speaks the more we REALLY know about the situation.

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 10:50 AM
Today show video http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/25780342#25780342

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 10:54 AM
it was july 3rd. it doesnt even make sense if it was june 3rd as casey and caylee were still living with the grandparents at that point.


It might be July 3rd. But it's up in the air where exactly Caylee and Casey were living from latter part of May till June 9th. I'll will research that further today though.

Salem
07-21-2008, 10:57 AM
The post would be better, because I think it had the actual blog posted here.

Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/sad.gif distraught

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2391631&highlight=jealousy+daughter#post2391631

message No. 230

Here ya go SuziQ - Looks like the font is going to be giant size, but I don't want to change it for fear of losing the link :crazy:

Salem

susan1215
07-21-2008, 11:01 AM
Newsconference in 10 minutes according to Fox

liljim
07-21-2008, 11:02 AM
It might be July 3rd. But it's up in the air where exactly Caylee and Casey were living from latter part of May till June 9th. I'll will research that further today though.

here is the exact text of the message for you;

"Thursday, July 03, 2008
my caylee is missing
Current mood: distraught

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don't know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother's love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel? "

hope that helps...

Salem
07-21-2008, 11:02 AM
This case is so concerning. I am beginning to think after seeing the gma several times on media reports, that I myself might be tempted to hide my child from her! If Casey did this, she is now in a very bad spot. IF she tells where the child is, the gma has all kinds of ammunition to use in trying to take the child away from her, due to all the legal problems this young girl now has to face. She can keep her mouth shut, keep lying, or tell where the child is and end up losing custody of Caylie anyway. If this child is no longer alive, keeping her mouth shut and adding to all the psycho-drama only helps to limit her culpability, as it is obvious she has mental issues and so do other members of her family. IMHO


Very good points raeann. I think if Casey's lawyer is any good, he could help her out with this. They could make motions in court that Casey will tell providing the child is not turned over to her folks. Even though the parents are paying for the lawyer, the lawyer should be representing Casey ONLY. It would be a breach of his ethical obligations to Casey for him to talk to her parents or anyone else about anything she says. He should have made that perfectly clear to her parents also. Doesn't matter who pays the bill, he represents his client only!

So - I think he could and should help Casey if this is an issue. The baby needs to be located, no matter what. Casey can take steps to protect herself and the child if she feels it is necessary, without all this drama.

Salem

warrkat
07-21-2008, 11:02 AM
Newsconference in 10 minutes according to Fox

Thanks.
I'm at work, wish I could have seen the interview with gma and Megan.

cheko1
07-21-2008, 11:04 AM
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html

The lawyer for the mother of missing 2-year-old Caylee Anthony will be back in court Monday, trying to get his client freed on bond. Casey Anthony, the girl's 22-year-old mother, has been in jail since her arrest on child neglect charges last week. (more at link)


You gotta be flipping kidding me the retarded lawyer thinks this piece of work needs BOND!!!! sorry had to vent !!!!!

I hope LE has papers ready to slam her for suspected murder! :furious: :furious:

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 11:05 AM
Good morning everyone. I am just getting up and getting online at 8am and haven't read thru all your new comments yet but I have to tell you, I saw that Cindi on Fox News this morning and man, what a card she is!! Man she was nasty to that beautiful young gal on Fox News. Sorry, I forget her name (oh they are talking now...megan kelley). Megan gave it right back to her and said that Fox News was doing alot more about taking care of her grand child than anyone in her family! gooooooo Megan. Cindy A. is making herself a very unsympathetic and nasty character. I feel sorry for Casey having to live with her for 22 years. No wonder that poor girl is nuts. That is one nasty beotch! I hope if by a miracle they get caylee back they take her away from that whole family!

A news conference is coming up. Anyone know what time? I also heard that the police are interviewing all sorts of friends and acquaintences. I wonder if they looked up any of the people in the picture links I sent them??

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 11:05 AM
Salem, god bless you! I'll repost the original post for everyone this morning.

Edited to remove post already posted.....thanks everyone!

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 11:08 AM
Where and how are you finding all these diary messages from myspace? weren't they all deleted?

MistyGirl
07-21-2008, 11:09 AM
Those who can watch the press confenece please keep those of us at work up to date.

I have a feeling something big is going to be announced......

cheko1
07-21-2008, 11:10 AM
the blond on fox this morning. the grandmother is over the edge. what we're hearing is a woman who probably hasn't slept or eaten for days. She needs a spokesperson for the family.

It makes me wonder why they're giving gma any air time at all.
I think she has eaten & slept.......she has come to like being the center of attention & in the process is keeping the focus off Casey.

Salem
07-21-2008, 11:11 AM
Where and how are you finding all these diary messages from myspace? weren't they all deleted?

Yes I think they were, but what we found was a saved blog entry from one of our earlier threads. Sometimes it pays to post stuff in it entirety because it disappears so quickly.

Salem

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 11:12 AM
I'm not seeing any live links, anyone else?

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 11:13 AM
Investigators are expected to get together around 9 a.m., and Padilla said they're completely focused on finding Caylee.

http://www.wesh.com/news/16940011/detail.html

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Jose Baez doing the news conference. PRobably trying to do damage control over Cindy. I want a conference to the police!!!!!!

lisalei321
07-21-2008, 11:14 AM
Those who can watch the press confenece please keep those of us at work up to date.

I have a feeling something big is going to be announced......

Ditto on this post, I'm at work and can't open video links!

Please please please...

liltigress
07-21-2008, 11:15 AM
FOX News reporting now. Press conference with the attorney coming up.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 11:15 AM
When I watched the video of Casey in court and the judge said: It appears to the court that you care so little about your daughter,Casey shook her head YES. unbelievable.

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 11:15 AM
50k flyers donated to find missing girl

In addition to flyers donated, a $5,000 reward has been offered by the Never Lose Hope Foundation to find Caylee.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7025462&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

liljim
07-21-2008, 11:16 AM
it is casey's lawyer doing this press conference, i dont think there is any announcement.

probably just him stumping for his client's release.

Salem
07-21-2008, 11:18 AM
That might be one of the messages coming out of the jail. "Get me out of here and I will tell you where she is".

Ohhhhhhh, reading some of the new press releases, I think you are SPOT ON.

And yes, I'm having some concerns about Gma also.

Salem

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 11:19 AM
I think this stupid lawyer wants the public to get behind getting Casey out of jail by claiming she can help find the kid if she is out. What baloney. I hope Casey never sees the light of day. I think grandma needs to join her there.

laintn
07-21-2008, 11:20 AM
http://www.wftv.com/video/16940687/index.html

OK! This GMA is crazy. On this video at the prayer vigil last night, she says that alot of people have puzzle pieces to this case, and if they would just give them to her she can piece them together and figure this case out!!! Isn't that why she called the police????????



can't wait to see Jose's press conference. He is as nutty as the rest of them.

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 11:20 AM
Oh BTW, earlier this morning Cindy was on MSNBC news arguing with that woman anchor too. She was almost just as nasty and arguing. Cindy just wants to talk with her own spiel and doesn't want anyone else to talk to get to the bottom of this case. Cindy doesn't want her and Casey's fight out to the public. I wonder if she has told the police why Casey left her home?

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 11:22 AM
I think gma is starting to become delirious. She needs to be brought back down to reality.

Watching the video where Grams & Gramps are on the couch with the
brother, he is acting all shifty-eyed too.
This is one odd bunch.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 11:24 AM
No she's not refusing to talk to the police,she is lying to the police,why would she tell the truth now.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 11:25 AM
Lawyer talking up a storm

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 11:26 AM
This lawyer really believes Caylee is out there somewhere.
Lawyer has responsibility to protect client.

Boilly
07-21-2008, 11:26 AM
I'm having a hard time with anything related to this case. As I'm sure many of you are as well. I just don't know what to believe. The grandmother's reaction to all of this is just bizarre. She is argumentative with reporters but seems to like all the media attention. The lawyer seems clueless but he too is basking in the spotlight. Casey is totally off her rocker. And neither the grandmother nor Casey are bright enough to be using code. That's just unbelievable. This was a spoiled party girl who was pretty involved with only herself. The whole family is questionable and I think they are just taking all of us for a ride. You can't get a straight answer out of anyone involved. This grandmother is playing a game and we don't know the rules yet.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 11:27 AM
Watching the video where Grams & Gramps are on the couch with the
brother, he is acting all shifty-eyed too.
This is one odd bunch.

They should not be acting this way. They are more prepared for than most people would be given their professions. She's a former nurse and he's a former Sheriff's deputy.

mkay882
07-21-2008, 11:27 AM
it is casey's lawyer doing this press conference, i dont think there is any announcement.

probably just him stumping for his client's release.

Exactly what is going on!

"She is cooperating."
"We want to help.'
"I'm wonderful cause I'm protecting my client."
blah, blah, blah

Nothing learned about Caylee.

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 11:29 AM
If the lawyer knows the child is dead, he would not say the things he just said, or when the truth came out he would be going to jail.

dimples37398
07-21-2008, 11:30 AM
http://www.wesh.com/video/16128463/index.html

press conference with attorney

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 11:31 AM
In no appearances today have they mentioned the 50k fliers they got or the $5000 reward that is now posted. How is this about Caylee?

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 11:32 AM
If the lawyer knows the child is dead, he would not say the things he just said, or when the truth came out he would be going to jail.

He only knows the lies he has been told, the problem is he keeps turning those out to the media.

mkay882
07-21-2008, 11:32 AM
This lawyer really believes Caylee is out there somewhere.
Lawyer has responsibility to protect client.


THAT i agree with!

Caylee is "out there somewhere". No one thinks she vaporised into thin air...:bang:

Question is alive or not? Living with someone who cares? Or not?

Everyone seems to be skirting the issue here, which is HASTE is urgent.

Meanwhile everyone plods along....

IMHO Casey won't talk to Cindy...

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 11:32 AM
I have a feeling poor little Caylee is gone, The family waited toooo long to report not seeing her. And it seems now that they are just trying to protect Casey. This is just my opinion,but this whole thing stinks.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 11:32 AM
Well that was the stupidest conference I've seen yet. Told nothing new, just standing up for himself. He wants his picture off the screen, but wants to talk about himself and his job.

jantel74
07-21-2008, 11:41 AM
I too think she is dead, unfortunately. I belive the family waited so long to report her missing because they knew where she was all along. Maybe not all of them know some of them do. JMO.

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 11:42 AM
Whoa, that reporter was good.

Darn! Had to grocery shop, trying to catch up but as soon as I finish reading one page - 2 more pages pop up.:read:

MistyGirl
07-21-2008, 11:43 AM
The comment the Cindy made in the interview when the report said if you could talk to your daughter what would be the first thing you would say to her "I forgive you"....I am so glad the report asked "Forgive her for what???"

This is very controlling manipulitve mother and it's obvious that there we "issues" between them....Cindy wrote about them in her my space blog.....her comments about loving and caring for Caylee and being lied to and things stole from you etc.....

I have feeling that Casey paretns said we are done with the lies and BS from you we wont tolorate it and CAsey said fine I am leaving & Caylee is coming with me....however the Grand parents didn't think she would be gone that long etc because she "need" them for money etc and Casey was like I will show you......

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 11:45 AM
So the lawyer knows why Casey lied,but he can disclose that at this time.

MistyGirl
07-21-2008, 11:48 AM
Actually I think if the investiagtors would set up a meeting between Casey & Cindy at the jail (have Cindy weird ot montiored) Cindy could get her to talk and tell what she knows. These two have very strange mother daughter relationship - Mom is in denial about her daughter & what she is capable of, Casey is used to being able to lie her way out of everything because her parents have always believed her....so they say to the media but I bet freinds & family would paint a very different picture...meaning they know she has issues has a problem with lying & stealing etc....but they don't want to admit what is right in front of them so to speak, exspecially not infront of the media.

MistyGirl
07-21-2008, 11:49 AM
So the lawyer knows why Casey lied,but he can disclose that at this time.

I bet it will be somethign like she was afraid to tell her parents that she just needed a break and her mom will freak on her so she had to lie etc....this will be all about placing blame on everyone but herself for what happend to Caylee.

NewMom2003
07-21-2008, 11:51 AM
I have a feeling poor little Caylee is gone, The family waited toooo long to report not seeing her. And it seems now that they are just trying to protect Casey. This is just my opinion,but this whole thing stinks.

Me too. :(

I was so hoping for good news about Caylee when I logged on ths morning. I'm still hoping and praying she comes home, but I don't have a good feeling at all.

LanieCoz
07-21-2008, 11:51 AM
I've been trying to follow this case since I first saw it on NG. It certainly is extremely bizarre. I guess I'm kind of in between. Don't really know what to think about it all. On one hand from the things that I've read in the mother blog we obviously know Casey left with Caylee on a bit of bad terms with her mother. I wonder if Casey does know exactly where Caylee is and knows she is un harmed but just wants to make sure the grandmother has no more contact with her. But then, I would just think Casey would tell the cops about that instead of sitting behind bars. I just can't see Casey purposely killing her daughter, or atleast my mind doesnt want to believe she could be so cruel and cold hearted. I wonder if maybe something happened to Caylee on "accident" and may Casey is just soo scared. You would just think if she knew something had happened to her daughter on terms of death she show some sort of emotion..... I guess i'm just rambling. I wonder if Casey may have been jealous of the attention and treatment that her parents gave Caylee.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 11:54 AM
I believe Cindy threatened to take Caylee away from Casey, due to Casey's party-girl ways. Maybe Casey did start taking on a job as a stripper/dancer as someone suggested already and Cindy found out.

Whatever it is that Cindy had on Casey, it was enough to make Casey leave and take away the one thing Cindy loves most, Caylee.

It is like a "haha I'll show you" kinda thing, but it is still enough threat to Casey that she is refusing to tell the truth about where Caylee is.

Blink34
07-21-2008, 11:55 AM
Setting up the :

PLEA BARGAIN..

Hang on everybody, there is NO chance that girl is getting out. The psych eval will keep her and if that doesn't they will charge her with the forgeries or check theft.. imo, they are waiting to see if she will get bail or other before they go ahead as it is probably related to the evidence in Caylee's disappearance and only want to disclose it if forced to.


I said it last night, this lawyer is going to try to plea her down, with the promise of her recovery. You cant think a well versed attorney believes this crap- it is his 15 minutes, let him have it. We will find this baby before Le even has to consider it, and then I hope charges of obstruction or hindering at a minimum are brought against the gma if proven..

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 11:55 AM
Below is the timeline. If I missed something PM me. Thanks.

Caylee Anthony Timeline

5-??-08 Casey leaves for a job/mini vacation with Caylee

6-02-08 Casey’s Boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, last sees Caylee on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-09-08 Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Sawgrass+Apartments+South+Conway+Road+Orange+cou nty+florida&sll=28.302979,-81.573603&sspn=0.113052,0.218353&ie=UTF8&ll=28.509937,-81.3308&spn=0.007052,0.013647&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A)) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Anthony Lazaro states that Casey moved in with Amy Huizenga on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-12-08, 13th and 14th Christine Chester, friend of Casey, says she saw Casey and Cayle on one of these dates. Page 6, paragraph 3
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)


6-25-08 Jessie Grund says Casey contacted him to get together stating she was free that weekend, that Caylee was with a Nanny and they had gone to the beach. Page 6, paragraph 2
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-30-08 Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told the Sentinel that she received a letter informing her that the car was found abandoned and had been towed. The white 1998 Pontiac was towed June 30 from an Amscot Financial store at Colonial Drive and Goldenrod Road, said sheriff's spokesman Carlos Padilla.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)

7-03-08 Grandma posts on Myspace of relationship difficulties with Casey
http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221)

7-15-08 Casey supposedly receives a phone call from Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html)
Amy Huizenga tells Casey’s mom where to find her. Also states She loaned Casey her car for the previous week she was on a trip, that Casey stole some of her checks and approximately $700.00. page 5, paragraph 8

Caylee is reported missing, page 3, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

7-16-08 Casey told detectives that she's an event planner at Universal Studios. They brought her to the park telling her they were hoping to find clues in her locker. She told security she had lost her identification and then led investigators on a long walk through the park until she finally admitted she was fired two years ago.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

7-16-08 Casey is arrested on charges of child neglect and lying to authorities
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 The judge ordered her to have a mental health screening for Baker Act criteria. Now that she's held on no bond, prosecutors say that gives them a 33-day window to file formal charges and then Anthony could ask for bond again.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 and 7-18-08 Search with cadaver dogs conducted at the Grandparent’s home located at Hopespring Dr, Orlando, FL 32829
http://www.wftv.com/news/16921695/detail.html

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

Blink34
07-21-2008, 11:56 AM
Actually I think if the investiagtors would set up a meeting between Casey & Cindy at the jail (have Cindy weird ot montiored) Cindy could get her to talk and tell what she knows. These two have very strange mother daughter relationship - Mom is in denial about her daughter & what she is capable of, Casey is used to being able to lie her way out of everything because her parents have always believed her....so they say to the media but I bet freinds & family would paint a very different picture...meaning they know she has issues has a problem with lying & stealing etc....but they don't want to admit what is right in front of them so to speak, exspecially not infront of the media.

we wish, CG, they know that would be taped, her Dad is le.. I think they are talking in code through the lawyer, and that conversation is not supposed to be listened to by le.

mkay882
07-21-2008, 11:57 AM
LanieCoz, How do you explain the "stench" in the car if Caylee is still with us?
Like you, I don't think Casey did anything to her daughter intentionally, but I do believe something awful happened to that baby.
THATS why Casey keeps lying....to CHA.
IMO of course..

Blink34
07-21-2008, 12:01 PM
Below is the timeline. If I missed something PM me. Thanks.

Caylee Anthony Timeline

5-??-08 Casey leaves for a job/mini vacation with Caylee

6-02-08 Casey’s Boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, last sees Caylee on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-09-08 Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Sawgrass+Apartments+South+Conway+Road+Orange+cou nty+florida&sll=28.302979,-81.573603&sspn=0.113052,0.218353&ie=UTF8&ll=28.509937,-81.3308&spn=0.007052,0.013647&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A)) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Anthony Lazaro states that Casey moved in with Amy Huizenga on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-12-08, 13th and 14th Christine Chester, friend of Casey, says she saw Casey and Cayle on one of these dates. Page 6, paragraph 3
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)


6-25-08 Jessie Grund says Casey contacted him to get together stating she was free that weekend, that Caylee was with a Nanny and they had gone to the beach. Page 6, paragraph 2
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-30-08 Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told the Sentinel that she received a letter informing her that the car was found abandoned and had been towed. The white 1998 Pontiac was towed June 30 from an Amscot Financial store at Colonial Drive and Goldenrod Road, said sheriff's spokesman Carlos Padilla.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)

7-03-08 Grandma posts on Myspace of relationship difficulties with Casey
http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221)

7-15-08 Casey supposedly receives a phone call from Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html)
Amy Huizenga tells Casey’s mom where to find her. Also states She loaned Casey her car for the previous week she was on a trip, that Casey stole some of her checks and approximately $700.00. page 5, paragraph 8

Caylee is reported missing, page 3, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

7-16-08 Casey told detectives that she's an event planner at Universal Studios. They brought her to the park telling her they were hoping to find clues in her locker. She told security she had lost her identification and then led investigators on a long walk through the park until she finally admitted she was fired two years ago.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

7-16-08 Casey is arrested on charges of child neglect and lying to authorities
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 The judge ordered her to have a mental health screening for Baker Act criteria. Now that she's held on no bond, prosecutors say that gives them a 33-day window to file formal charges and then Anthony could ask for bond again.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 and 7-18-08 Search with cadaver dogs conducted at the Grandparent’s home located at Hopespring Dr, Orlando, FL 32829
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)


Suz, I would only add that she alleged ZG Mom, Gloria, watched Caylee in 2006 (unsure of date) and also include the office breakin and location of ZG.
Outstanding Work..
btw- read the 7/5 gm myspace- wow, add head injury to her probs because I heard her say that Casey was "the ideal and loving Mother for the last 3 years.." It would seem she is um, less than that- so WHY LIE TO US??

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 12:03 PM
The grandmother talks like she thinks she might be physic,or maybe she's a gypsy, but I think me likes working on puzzles to. My opinion

PrayersForMaura
07-21-2008, 12:05 PM
Not really new info here, but a newer link:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- The grandmother of a missing 2-year-old central Florida girl said Monday her daughter knows who has the toddler.
Speaking on NBC's "Today Show", Cindy Anthony said her daughter Casey -- who was arrested last week and charged with child neglect and criminal obstruction for lying to detectives -- should be released from jail so she can help with the investigation into the disappearance of Caylee Marie Anthony.
"I know Casey knows who has her," Cindy Anthony told NBC. "I know Casey doesn't know where they're at right at the moment. But I don't know anything else right now because I can't speak to my daughter. And we're trying to get that changed very quickly."




http://www.ksdk.com/news/national/story.aspx?storyid=150419&catid=28

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 12:05 PM
Lawyer talking up a storm

Yes, but saying nothing to help find Caylee - just like the family.:confused:

liltigress
07-21-2008, 12:06 PM
Excellent work, Suz! Thank you.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 12:08 PM
Suz, I would only add that she alleged ZG Mom, Gloria, watched Caylee in 2006 (unsure of date) and also include the office breakin and location of ZG.
Outstanding Work..
btw- read the 7/5 gm myspace- wow, add head injury to her probs because I heard her say that Casey was "the ideal and loving Mother for the last 3 years.." It would seem she is um, less than that- so WHY LIE TO US??

Added the 2006 info and will also add the car stench search. Do you have the link to the gma's myspace page? Thanks!

PrayersForMaura
07-21-2008, 12:09 PM
he mother of a woman arrested weeks after her toddler disappeared said her daughter Casey "has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story," as she begged the public to help find missing Caylee Marie Anthony, 2.
"Casey has been trying to tell the police in her own way what she can tell them and the only unfortunate thing is, you know, they want a clear picture," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told FOX News. "There's no clear picture. Casey has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story, so she's been honest with them for what she can be honest with."
Earlier, Cindy Anthony had told NBC's "Today" Show Monday that Casey Anthony knows who has the toddler and should be released from jail so she can assist with the search. An attorney for the mother is expected to file paperwork Monday for her release.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html



(posted 12 minutes ago)

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 12:09 PM
Excellent work, Suz! Thank you.

You're welcome. Now I won't go insane trying to keep all the lies straight. Sheesh.

PandaJ
07-21-2008, 12:11 PM
Hi everyone.. I haven't posted on this thread yet but I've been following this case, and I think I'm all caught up now, thanks to all you guys.

Like all of you, I am just absolutely APPALLED at this whole situation. I may sound harsh here, but I really don't care what reasons Casey has for not telling where Caylee is...I have NO sympathy for her, no matter what her relationship with her mother is. I also have no sympathy for Cindy. My sympathy is soley with CAYLEE. Wherever she is, even if she is safe and sound, she is still without her mother, grandparents, and basically the only life she has ever known. That is not right.

Casey and Cindy need to stop playing these games and tell where Caylee is - there is absolutely no excuse for this. If Casey was trying to keep Caylee away from Cindy, there are better ways to go about it.

Bottom line is that these people need to speak up, or in my opinion, Casey can rot in jail.

Sorry for being so harsh, but this case is so frustrating! I feel like no one cares about Caylee. :mad:

JMO

dallas24
07-21-2008, 12:11 PM
Is there anyway they can give grandmother a lie detector test?

Blink34
07-21-2008, 12:12 PM
Added the 2006 info and will also add the car stench search. Do you have the link to the gma's myspace page? Thanks!

LOL, suz it's from your post the 7/3/08 caption, in the article, I dont believe the myspace is still up or at least not with the post, but is quoted there.. Your the best:blowkiss:

liljim
07-21-2008, 12:13 PM
good job suzi, do you have a source for the idea that casey left the grandparents home in may? i have only seen it reported as june.

MistyGirl
07-21-2008, 12:14 PM
Below is the timeline. If I missed something PM me. Thanks.

Caylee Anthony Timeline

5-??-08 Casey leaves for a job/mini vacation with Caylee

6-02-08 Casey’s Boyfriend, Anthony Lazzaro, last sees Caylee on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-09-08 Casey Anthony told detectives that she last saw 2-year-old Caylee after dropping her off at Sawgrass Apartments #210 on South Conway Road (see map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Sawgrass+Apartments+South+Conway+Road+Orange+cou nty+florida&sll=28.302979,-81.573603&sspn=0.113052,0.218353&ie=UTF8&ll=28.509937,-81.3308&spn=0.007052,0.013647&t=h&z=17&iwloc=A)) on June 9, but the apartment has been vacant since February
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Casey claims a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez is Caylee's longtime babysitter. When investigators talked to Gonzalez, she told them she doesn't know the Anthonys and has never been a babysitter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

Anthony Lazaro states that Casey moved in with Amy Huizenga on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-12-08, 13th and 14th Christine Chester, friend of Casey, says she saw Casey and Cayle on one of these dates. Page 6, paragraph 3
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)


6-25-08 Jessie Grund says Casey contacted him to get together stating she was free that weekend, that Caylee was with a Nanny and they had gone to the beach. Page 6, paragraph 2
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

6-30-08 Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told the Sentinel that she received a letter informing her that the car was found abandoned and had been towed. The white 1998 Pontiac was towed June 30 from an Amscot Financial store at Colonial Drive and Goldenrod Road, said sheriff's spokesman Carlos Padilla.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story)

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=colonial+drive+and+goldenrod+road+orange+county+ florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

7-??-08 Investigators did not release many new details about the case, Saturday, other than to say that weeks after Casey Anthony last saw her daughter, Casey got a tattoo that says "Bella Vida" in honor of her daughter.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16924162/detail.html)

7-03-08 Grandma posts on Myspace of relationship difficulties with Casey
http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16910663/detail.html)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2391552&postcount=221)

7-15-08 Casey supposedly receives a phone call from Caylee.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html)
Amy Huizenga tells Casey’s mom where to find her. Also states She loaned Casey her car for the previous week she was on a trip, that Casey stole some of her checks and approximately $700.00. page 5, paragraph 8

Caylee is reported missing, page 3, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

7-16-08 Casey told detectives that she's an event planner at Universal Studios. They brought her to the park telling her they were hoping to find clues in her locker. She told security she had lost her identification and then led investigators on a long walk through the park until she finally admitted she was fired two years ago.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16913653/detail.html)

7-16-08 Casey is arrested on charges of child neglect and lying to authorities
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 The judge ordered her to have a mental health screening for Baker Act criteria. Now that she's held on no bond, prosecutors say that gives them a 33-day window to file formal charges and then Anthony could ask for bond again.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/16906025/detail.html)

7-17-08 and 7-18-08 Search with cadaver dogs conducted at the Grandparent’s home located at Hopespring Dr, Orlando, FL 32829
http://www.wftv.com/news/16921695/detail.html

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Hopespring+Drive+Orange+County+Florida&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=52.107327,111.796875&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=17&iwloc=addr)

GREAT Job on the timeline!!! I have one comment or questions about this part of the timeline:

Anthony Lazaro states that Casey moved in with Amy Huizenga on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

When I read that paragraph I get the Casey move in with Anthony Lazzaro on or around June 9th....not Amy....am I reading it wrong or did I miss something....the line I am refering to is this:

"Anthony Lazzaro called claiming her first learned of Caylee's disappearance by deputies coming to his house early this morning and inquiring about it. He claims he met the defendant in May and had been dating her since June. He claims he last saw Caylee on or about June 2nd while at the pool at his complex. He had not seen Caylee since. He has never met Zenaida not knows were she lives. It was he that contacted Amy Huizenga and had her call me regarding this case. Anthony said while the defendant lived with her since June 9th, she mentioned several times that Caylee was with the "nanny" at Disney, Universal Studios, or the beach. She never gave him and indication that the child was endangered or missing. Detective Gerald White later obatined a swornd statment from Anthony regarding this"

Icould be reading this wrong but I think she lived with Anthony Lazzaro. not Amy??? I was thinking the "her" was typo and should be "him".....or maybe I am wrong????

liltigress
07-21-2008, 12:19 PM
Cindy Anthony's myspace (Grandmother)
http://www.myspace.com/fortunecookie5

Casey Anthony's myspace (Mother)
http://www.myspace.com/kayseeomaree

Lee Anthony's myspace (Casey's brother)
http://www.myspace.com/leeaanthony

New website being used now
www.HelpFindCaylee.com

Jesse Grund's myspace
www.myspace.com/jesse4

Amy Huizenga's myspace (Casey's friend reportedly she stole money from)
http://www.myspace.com/prettyprettypanda

Anthony Lazzaro's myspace
www.myspace.com/tlazzyo

Ricardo Morales' myspace
www.myspace.com/johnnymcqueefer

dimples37398
07-21-2008, 12:21 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=b895e6943a20a5ba0d5beadb011b18b 7ea0a1398

not sure if this link will work but this is the phone interview from the pretty fox anchor lady and the gma that everyone is talking about this morning.....

I think the reporter anchor did an awesome awesome job....I can't stand the way the gma tries to over talk everyone and does not want to give them a chance to ask questions or talk.....

Kel

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 12:22 PM
good job suzi, do you have a source for the idea that casey left the grandparents home in may? i have only seen it reported as june.

Not a dang thing. I think it may have been on a Nancy Grace transcript. I'll have to pull it up. I'll edit and correct if I have it wrong. Also, I notice many of the original media reports aren't up any longer and I may have to go through the first thread.

Sweetyhide
07-21-2008, 12:26 PM
PandaJ,
I agree! Its so frustrating. I don't understand hardly any of this.

Seems to me there is a family secret. Why else would no one talk?
What seceret is grandmother protecting?

Earlier it crossed my mind that grandmother wanted to appear on Casey's "side" for fear that she may never know where the baby is. This poped in my head when Trrenton Ducketts family was there. Maybe they gave her that advice?

I really dont know. I have tried to find all the videos of grandmother to see what you all are talkign about. I have seen a few snippets, but none where she was snappy. I was watching Fox when someone said she was coming up on MSNBC and switched channels but must have missed it. Checked back and she was on Fox! Lord, I can't keep up. (pretending to work also)

I just havent seen where she acts crazy, more like hiding a deep family secret. But one thing bothers me. Why she said she cant talk to Casey.
I wonder if the LE is purposly keeping them apart for a reason..?? Most jails have phones for the inmates to use and they do have visiting hours.

ALL JMO

ShinaLite
07-21-2008, 12:28 PM
Anthony Lazaro states that Casey moved in with Amy Huizenga on this date. Page 6, paragraph 1
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf (http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0717/16907762.pdf)

When I read that paragraph I get the Casey move in with Anthony Lazzaro on or around June 9th....not Amy....am I reading it wrong or did I miss something....the line I am refering to is this:

"Anthony Lazzaro called claiming her first learned of Caylee's disappearance by deputies coming to his house early this morning and inquiring about it. He claims he met the defendant in May and had been dating her since June. He claims he last saw Caylee on or about June 2nd while at the pool at his complex. He had not seen Caylee since. He has never met Zenaida not knows were she lives. It was he that contacted Amy Huizenga and had her call me regarding this case. Anthony said while the defendant lived with her since June 9th, she mentioned several times that Caylee was with the "nanny" at Disney, Universal Studios, or the beach. She never gave him and indication that the child was endangered or missing. Detective Gerald White later obatined a swornd statment from Anthony regarding this"

Icould be reading this wrong but I think she lived with Anthony Lazzaro. not Amy??? I was thinking the "her" was typo and should be "him".....or maybe I am wrong????


I thought it may be a typo too MistyGirl but then what made me change that thought was the sentance before. "It was he that contacted Amy Huizenga and had her call me regarding this case"
So in that context, using her in the next sentance would be reasonable as Amy's name was just mentioned...Does that make sense?? lol...

I am still not sure on that point I could see it both ways...

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 12:53 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

This is the Fox News video from this morning. Cindy says now that Caylee has been missing from Casey on June 14th. Not the 9th? This is the confrontational interview with Cindy on the phone. Cindy actually hung up on the interview.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 12:59 PM
Cindy said that the police are not speaking Casey's language, what language does she speak?

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:01 PM
Mistygirl, I've been trying to answer your post but WS keeps going down. I'll try again. I totally get what you are saying about Anthony's statement. It's been driving me crazy. I've been mulling it over since last night. For the time being I'm going to leave the statement until it's clarified as a typo.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:02 PM
Cindy said that the police are not speaking Casey's language, what language does she speak?

Evidently one that grandma relates to, which is a scary thought. :crazy:

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:02 PM
"Casey has been trying to tell the police in her own way what she can tell them and the only unfortunate thing is, you know, they want a clear picture," Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told FOX News. "There's no clear picture. Casey has her reasons why she just can't blurt out the whole story, so she's been honest with them for what she can be honest with."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:05 PM
According the this morning's Fox vid, Caylee has been missing from Casey since June 14th? Really. Has she shared this with LE?

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:07 PM
"Anthony Lazzaro called claiming her first learned of Caylee's disappearance by deputies coming to his house early this morning and inquiring about it. He claims he met the defendant in May and had been dating her since June. He claims he last saw Caylee on or about June 2nd while at the pool at his complex. He had not seen Caylee since. He has never met Zenaida not knows were she lives. It was he that contacted Amy Huizenga and had her call me regarding this case. Anthony said while the defendant lived with her since June 9th, she mentioned several times that Caylee was with the "nanny" at Disney, Universal Studios, or the beach. She never gave him and indication that the child was endangered or missing.

I think what he meant was, while the defendant lived with her (Amy) since June 9th...

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 01:08 PM
Casey's been honest with them? Everything she has said is a lie. What is her mother hiding. My oh MY she lied to her mother for a month.

DianeB
07-21-2008, 01:08 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

This is the Fox News video from this morning. Cindy says now that Caylee has been missing from Casey on June 14th. Not the 9th? This is the confrontational interview with Cindy on the phone. Cindy actually hung up on the interview.Casey's friend told LE that she went with Casey and Caylee for a walk (I think?) at the mall on either the 12th, 13th and 14th. LE later stated there was no confirmed sighting after the 9th, but I'll bet they're combing through the mall security cameras.

On the subject of where Casey was staying, later in the affidavit she admits to staying with Ricardo Morales, which was a point of interest because his address is across the street from one of the apartment buildings Casey pointed out to LE as being either Zenaida's, or Z's mother's.

I think.

murdershewrote
07-21-2008, 01:09 PM
"A daughter she probably had no reason to doubt until now."

No disrespect, but I kind of doubt that. Casey didn't just become a liar overnight, not the kind of lies she was telling.

The gm has put herself in front of the media and the public asking for help finding her grand-daughter. How she comes off does have an impact on the public.

One thing I don't understand is why did Casey need this babysitter when she lived home and I would assume her grandparents would be watching Caylee, and Casey didn't work (another lie that she mother apparently didn't realize). So did Casey get ready to go to work every day, leave, take Caylee to a babysitter...and then what did she do all day?

The particular incident that bothers me is when the gm said Casey told her that Caylee was staying overnight with the babysitter and that was the last time she saw her. That just seemed very odd to me when she lived home, why would she find the need (or expense) to have Caylee stay overnight with anyone, when the grandparents were home and I assume watched her most of the time. And the way she said it made me think she knew exactly who this babysitter was...like she didn't seemed surprised at this arrangement. The gm didn't seem like the type of person who would want her granddaughter staying with a sitter when she could be home sleeping in her own bed.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:10 PM
Well, I'm out of here. I've been following this since the start and even began the very first thread.

But I find myself increasingly unhappy and disappointed by most of my fellow websleuthers.

Legitimate questions have been asked such as when was the last time anyone saw Casey driving the car (for example) yet no one (or hardly anyone) even tries to answer.

For the most part it is villify Grandma and say someone should force Casey to talk.

Well, this is America and the unfortunate truth is we can't force anyone to talk.

Unless evidence ends up showing me otherwise, I will try ad remain understanding of the Grandmother. She's lost her beloved granddaugther (and I have seen no evidence to prove otherwise). The daughter she loves has been show to be a pathological liar in front of the whole world. A daughter she probably had no reason to doubt until now.

And that daughter is her her only link to Caylee.

If I were her, I would also be desperately hoping Caylee were alive. That my daughter didn't harm her. that Casey, despite everything, might still tell the truth. That if the grandmother defends her enough and believes in her enough, something good will happen. What else can she do?

This thread(s) remind of the Ramsey boards. Vilify the parents or grandparents. Ignore other lines of inquiry.

I will continue to hope and pray for Caylee as well as for those who love her.

Anne, I don't recall seeing anything about when Casey was last seen driving the car. That would help the time line also of her whereabouts.

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 01:12 PM
Where are the toys and clothes Casey had for Caylee during the mini vacation, and 3-5 weeks of living somewhere else? Did she just throw Caylee's stuff away when she went missing? Did she take nothing from the grand parents house. Where is the search for all items that Caylee would have needed. On the Today Show the grandfather was holding Caylee's "favorite" teddy bear. A 2 year olds belongs would be a trail to follow.

Elphaba
07-21-2008, 01:12 PM
I'm starting to think that Casey came by her pathological liar trait via her mother...

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 01:12 PM
PandaJ,
I agree! Its so frustrating. I don't understand hardly any of this.

Seems to me there is a family secret. Why else would no one talk?
What seceret is grandmother protecting?

Earlier it crossed my mind that grandmother wanted to appear on Casey's "side" for fear that she may never know where the baby is. This poped in my head when Trrenton Ducketts family was there. Maybe they gave her that advice?

I really dont know. I have tried to find all the videos of grandmother to see what you all are talkign about. I have seen a few snippets, but none where she was snappy. I was watching Fox when someone said she was coming up on MSNBC and switched channels but must have missed it. Checked back and she was on Fox! Lord, I can't keep up. (pretending to work also)

I just havent seen where she acts crazy, more like hiding a deep family secret. But one thing bothers me. Why she said she cant talk to Casey.
I wonder if the LE is purposly keeping them apart for a reason..?? Most jails have phones for the inmates to use and they do have visiting hours.

ALL JMO

I think LE has many reasons for refusing any communication between Casey and her mother.
I also think LE knows the whole family is in on this tragedy, I am beginning to wonder if the Grandfather could be involved somehow in a way I don't want to express at this time.
This is one screwed up mess, and a poor innocent baby is/has suffered because of the lies and self centered actions of the adults involved.
I better throw in a MOO JMO

Beyond Belief
07-21-2008, 01:12 PM
Has this date changed since the friend stated she went walking with them on or about Jun14? Or is this something else?

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:12 PM
"We at America's Newroom will look out for that child, which is more than we can say for what the family did."

Quoted by Anchor Meghan this morning on Fox after Grandma hung up the phone.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

DianeB
07-21-2008, 01:15 PM
The people who admit to seeing Casey after June 9th are Anthony L, Amy H and Ricardo M. None of them saw Caylee either on that day or subsequent days. Everyone was told she was elsewhere, and seemed to accept that Casey would have left her daughter with a 'nanny' for an indefinite period of time. (WTH?)

Either one or more of them are lying, or something happened almost immediately after Casey and Caylee left grandma's house on June 9th.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:15 PM
"We at America's Newroom will look out for this child, which is more than what the family did."

Quoted by Anchor Meghan this morning on Fox after Grandma hung up the phone.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

Way to go Meghan!

I could tell by the look on Meghan's face, she was absolutely surprised to get this attitude from Cindy.

Media and LE is giving them plenty of rope.

Ronettes
07-21-2008, 01:16 PM
Well, I'm staying around because I'm impressed with the posters here. IMO when a child is missing you tell law enforcement the complete truth - good, bad, or ugly.

ShinaLite
07-21-2008, 01:17 PM
I think this is very telling


Cynthia Anthony says Casey has always been a writer and recently the family has been going through her journals, hunting for clues. She said a certain amount of jealousy over Caylee crept into her relationship with her own daughter

http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

NewMom2003
07-21-2008, 01:19 PM
SuziQ, thank you so much for the timeline!! :clap: Great job!

I can't get over the grandmother's interviews. :eek:

My heart aches for little Caylee.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 01:19 PM
If not mistaken Meghan Kelly (FOX) has law degree.

DianeB
07-21-2008, 01:20 PM
I saw that. Is grandma saying that she was jealous, or Casey was jealous? Of what? That statement can be taken in a couple of different ways.

raine1212
07-21-2008, 01:20 PM
Hi guys,
I am new to all this and I have only posted a couple of times. I have been trying to keep up but it is hard with a 17 month old running around. I was wondering and maybe this has been brought up before. But what if, Caylee's dad is not dead, and just maybe that Casey sent her to be with her Dad, because of her mother wanting to take Caylee away. Just MO, the reason I was thinking this, is because the 17 month is my grandson that I took from my daughter, DSS was after her and I got custody of him before he was put in the system. Thank God I have him now, My daughter ran and moved around with alot of drug heads and still does. I am just throwing out something here and hoping for the very best for that sweet child.
PS.. Please forgive my spelling.

NewMom2003
07-21-2008, 01:21 PM
Well, I'm staying around because I'm impressed with the posters here. IMO when a child is missing you tell law enforcement the complete truth - good, bad, or ugly.

Exactly! Someone is trying to save their own sorry hide instead of looking out for what is important - Caylee. :furious:

I can promise you that if I was in this situation (God forbid) that my parents wouldn't go on TV with innuendo and suspicous remarks. They would be kicking my azz until I told them the truth about their granddaughter.

PandaJ
07-21-2008, 01:24 PM
Well, I'm staying around because I'm impressed with the posters here. IMO when a child is missing you tell law enforcement the complete truth - good, bad, or ugly.

ITA. I would be more open to giving poor Caylee's family members the benefit of the doubt if they weren't defending Casey not telling LE all she knows, and if they would stop playing these games, IMO. An innocent child is MISSING and she doesn't deserve this. I WILL say that I'm glad Cindy is keeping this story in the media, no matter how snippy she is with the reporters....I think the media is going to help tremendously in this case.

I'll be able to have more sympathy for the family members once LE finds out what happened to Caylee. Until then, I just want this little girl found and I'm angry that IMO her family is making it worse by not telling all they know.

All just my opinion.

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 01:24 PM
If not mistaken Meghan Kelly (FOX) has law degree.
Yes she does and she is one smart woman! She is always kind and always classy.
I think Fox should stop giving Cindy air time. She is NUTZ :crazy:

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:25 PM
Caylee's mother apparently abandoned her car in the parking lot earlier in the week. When Caylee's grandparents found out two or three days later, it was then they also found out Caylee was missing and asked the sheriff's office to investigate. It is unclear, though, why Casey left her car sitting in the parking lot.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

So the car was only abandoned for 2 or 3 days.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 01:27 PM
50k flyers donated to find missing girl

In addition to flyers donated, a $5,000 reward has been offered by the Never Lose Hope Foundation to find Caylee.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7025462&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1




FINALLY THEY ARE GIVING A REWARD!!!!! You'd think GM would have put some money in as well! I really think she knows what happened to Caylee as well. Maybe her and Casey got into a fight about Caylee and they accidentally killed her. JMO,.. who knows???? This case is getting stranger and stranger!:confused:

PandaJ
07-21-2008, 01:27 PM
Hi guys,
I am new to all this and I have only posted a couple of times. I have been trying to keep up but it is hard with a 17 month old running around. I was wondering and maybe this has been brought up before. But what if, Caylee's dad is not dead, and just maybe that Casey sent her to be with her Dad, because of her mother wanting to take Caylee away. Just MO, the reason I was thinking this, is because the 17 month is my grandson that I took from my daughter, DSS was after her and I got custody of him before he was put in the system. Thank God I have him now, My daughter ran and moved around with alot of drug heads and still does. I am just throwing out something here and hoping for the very best for that sweet child.
PS.. Please forgive my spelling.

Hi Raine!

This would be GREAT if this is truly what is going on. If that's the case though, Casey needs to speak up and tell LE.

I'm sure this has been discussed, but has LE obtained any search warrants for Casey's phone records, computer, etc.? TIA!

jmo

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:28 PM
No wait.. if the car was only abandoned for 2 or 3 days, why would Casey be using Amy's car for a week?

Salem
07-21-2008, 01:30 PM
I saw that. Is grandma saying that she was jealous, or Casey was jealous? Of what? That statement can be taken in a couple of different ways.

My take is that Gma is saying Casey was jealous of Gma's relationship with Caylee. I'm sure Gma did all the caretaking for Caylee and

-- this is pure speculation here-- maybe Caylee fell or something and went to Gma for comfort, causing Casey to have a jealous fit.

From Gma's blog, it is apparent something happened. It is also apparent that Casey was lying to mom & dad and stealing from them, apparently lots of money, before Caylee went missing. For Gma to come out now and say that Casey is a good mom and is misunderstood, etc. etc. shows us exactly how Casey got to be in the place she is in right now, in my opinion. This is a case of the parents letting the child run wild and making excuses for their bad behavior, instead of calling the kid on it or getting the kid some professional help. So now Casey, used to ruling the roost, is using Caylee to torture her parents.

That's how I read it anyway.......

Salem

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 01:32 PM
Yes she does and she is one smart woman! She is always kind and always classy.
I think Fox should stop giving Cindy air time. She is NUTZ :crazy:

Agree. the media is not going to help in this,LE will get to the truth,and i think Casey will have company.

Sweetyhide
07-21-2008, 01:32 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

This is the Fox News video from this morning. Cindy says now that Caylee has been missing from Casey on June 14th. Not the 9th? This is the confrontational interview with Cindy on the phone. Cindy actually hung up on the interview.

Thank you for sharing that link. I now was able to watch "the video" that has been discussed all morning!

I still don't see a whole lot wrong with GM.
She sounds frustrated, angry and tired. Who wouldnt be!
If something like this were to happen to my children and grandchildren I would be nuttier than peter pan. I think most just get a spokesperson for fear of doing and saying the wrong thing. One little angry slip and the world can turn against you. Someone needs to send GM a note to get someone else to do interviews. But then again there are those that might say her silence would mean she is guilty of something.

Aside from expecting her to be angry (she may be more angry at herself for allowing her daughter to snow her) I do think she is hiding a secret. Either a family's secret or her daughters secret.

The only secret I can think of that would keep me from telling where my child is (if she is safe) is paternity. But dad would have to be into some crazy stuff for me to hide a child.

I am holding out hope that Casey is just a nut job that convinced someone to hide little Caylee.

These are all JMO

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:33 PM
Hi guys,
I am new to all this and I have only posted a couple of times. I have been trying to keep up but it is hard with a 17 month old running around. I was wondering and maybe this has been brought up before. But what if, Caylee's dad is not dead, and just maybe that Casey sent her to be with her Dad, because of her mother wanting to take Caylee away. Just MO, the reason I was thinking this, is because the 17 month is my grandson that I took from my daughter, DSS was after her and I got custody of him before he was put in the system. Thank God I have him now, My daughter ran and moved around with alot of drug heads and still does. I am just throwing out something here and hoping for the very best for that sweet child.
PS.. Please forgive my spelling.

Your grandchild is so lucky! You took the appropriate and expected action of a loving grandparent. Kudos to you.

Yes, there is some speculation that Caylee could be with her father.

ShinaLite
07-21-2008, 01:33 PM
Caylee's mother apparently abandoned her car in the parking lot earlier in the week. When Caylee's grandparents found out two or three days later, it was then they also found out Caylee was missing and asked the sheriff's office to investigate. It is unclear, though, why Casey left her car sitting in the parking lot.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

So the car was only abandoned for 2 or 3 days.

the tow company says they towed it on the 30th of June...Cindy did not call police until what?? July 12th? I believe the car was in the parking lot a few days before it was towed so imo I think it had to be left at the Amscott sometime during the week of the 25th-29th of June at the latest...
If that letter was sent out on the 30th of June surely Cindy got it by the first week of July and then a few days later contacted LE...so the time-line there seems a little off to me...

Pocono Sleuther
07-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Way to go Meghan!

I could tell by the look on Meghan's face, she was absolutely surprised to get this attitude from Cindy.

Media and LE is giving them plenty of rope.


I have never ever heard a family member asking for the media's HELP in finding their missing loved on be so RUDE and arrogant! I game gma a pass on the Geraldo interview and chalked it up to being stressed and tired. But this is uncalled for!
IMO, gma knows something. The family needs to be truthful and Caylee will be found! Casey and gma need to get their acts together and SPEAK THE TRUTH asap! :mad:

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:35 PM
My take is that Gma is saying Casey was jealous of Gma's relationship with Caylee. I'm sure Gma did all the caretaking for Caylee and

-- this is pure speculation here-- maybe Caylee fell or something and went to Gma for comfort, causing Casey to have a jealous fit.

From Gma's blog, it is apparent something happened. It is also apparent that Casey was lying to mom & dad and stealing from them, apparently lots of money, before Caylee went missing. For Gma to come out now and say that Casey is a good mom and is misunderstood, etc. etc. shows us exactly how Casey got to be in the place she is in right now, in my opinion. This is a case of the parents letting the child run wild and making excuses for their bad behavior, instead of calling the kid on it or getting the kid some professional help. So now Casey, used to ruling the roost, is using Caylee to torture her parents.

That's how I read it anyway.......

Salem


Salem, I've been leaning along these same lines as well. But I also think Amy had something to do with it. Casey steals money from her before Amy goes on a trip to PR. Amy still lets Casey use her car and her b/f while she's away, and live at her place, yet she only kicks her out AFTER she returns.

I don't think Amy thought it through, she reported Casey stealing money to Cindy when questioned about Casey's whereabouts. I'm guessing Amy never thought this would get LE involved.

All IMO, of course.

Ronettes
07-21-2008, 01:35 PM
Hi, Raine and bless you for keeping your grandson safe. I know it must have been tough having to fight for him.

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 01:36 PM
Thank you for sharing that link. I now was able to watch "the video" that has been discussed all morning!

I still don't see a whole lot wrong with GM.
She sounds frustrated, angry and tired. Who wouldnt be!
If something like this were to happen to my children and grandchildren I would be nuttier than peter pan. I think most just get a spokesperson for fear of doing and saying the wrong thing. One little angry slip and the world can turn against you. Someone needs to send GM a note to get someone else to do interviews. But then again there are those that might say her silence would mean she is guilty of something.

Aside from expecting her to be angry (she may be more angry at herself for allowing her daughter to snow her) I do think she is hiding a secret. Either a family's secret or her daughters secret.

The only secret I can think of that would keep me from telling where my child is (if she is safe) is paternity. But dad would have to be into some crazy stuff for me to hide a child.

I am holding out hope that Casey is just a nut job that convinced someone to hide little Caylee.

These are all JMO

I am sure kidfinder network and the never lose hope foundation have already suggested a spokesperson for the family. I believe that is standard in their interactions with the family.

DianeB
07-21-2008, 01:38 PM
Yes she does and she is one smart woman! She is always kind and always classy.
I think Fox should stop giving Cindy air time. She is NUTZ :crazy:I work in TV. The fact that grandma is so off the handle with reporters is ratings gold. No way are they going to stop talking to her as long as she's willing to put herself out there.

It's already starting to become a media circus, courtesy of Geraldo bringing on Dog the Bounty Hunter to weigh in with color commentary.

From the network's standpoint, more eyeballs is always good (same theory applies to local stations and news media).

From the standpoint of Caylee's recovery, more media attention is better than less, and grandma's confrontational demeanor only serves to put more pressure on the family to cough up what they know but aren't saying.

Boilly
07-21-2008, 01:38 PM
Caylee wouldn't have even had to get hurt for Casey to be jealous. She took that little girl from the only home she'd ever know with people who were caring for her. I am sure Caylee cried for her grandma and that really got on Casey's nerves. But was it enough for Casey to do something terrible about it?

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:39 PM
[quote=liltigress;2401797]Caylee's mother apparently abandoned her car in the parking lot earlier in the week. When Caylee's grandparents found out two or three days later, it was then they also found out Caylee was missing and asked the sheriff's office to investigate. It is unclear, though, why Casey left her car sitting in the parking lot.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16940013/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

Hmmmmm, I wonder which media outlet has it right? lol. The below quote is from the Sheriff's Spokesman:


6-30-08 Caylee's grandmother, Cindy Anthony, told the Sentinel that she received a letter informing her that the car was found abandoned and had been towed. The white 1998 Pontiac was towed June 30 from an Amscot Financial store at Colonial Drive and Goldenrod Road, said sheriff's spokesman Carlos Padilla.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caylee2008jul20,0,6258291.story)

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:43 PM
I still can't convince myself to believe Casey did something horrible to Caylee. I do believe she hid her out to keep her away from Cindy.

I think Cindy is under some tremendous stress, no doubting that, but there is something way off. Possibly whatever transpired between the two prior to Casey moving out.

One thing I see for sure is guilt with Cindy about something. That very well could have been guilt from pushing Casey away.

But for her to go on and on about who does and doesn't have a key to the shed, tells me that even they didn't trust Casey. Point blank.

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 01:44 PM
Did anyone else catch the threat Gma threw out about making Meghan look bad?

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:45 PM
Right Suzi! I believe there's been so many dates and interviews, someone has to be off on this.

raine1212
07-21-2008, 01:47 PM
Hi, Raine and bless you for keeping your grandson safe. I know it must have been tough having to fight for him.


Ronettes, Thanks for your kindness, It was not tuff at all. My daughter found out DSS was looking for her, she sent him to me in Jan. 08, March 20 2008, the judge here gave me custody, she did not even show up for court. Her 1st child (my grand daughter who is 3 lives with her dad and nanna who has custody of her and I do see her). WhenI took my grandson away, the alledge father has no rights now and is well let just say is bad a very bad kid and I do not want my grandson to ever find out about him.
PS. He calls us Mama and dadda.

Mods sorry for being off topic u can delete this, I am still learning all the rules here.

Back on topic: jmo, based on my experiences with my daughters that I suggested that maybe Caylee's dad is alive and has her. If so I hope someone tells the LE soon

PandaJ
07-21-2008, 01:47 PM
I still can't convince myself to believe Casey did something horrible to Caylee. I do believe she hid her out to keep her away from Cindy.

I think Cindy is under some tremendous stress, no doubting that, but there is something way off. Possibly whatever transpired between the two prior to Casey moving out.

One thing I see for sure is guilt with Cindy about something. That very well could have been guilt from pushing Casey away.

But for her to go on and on about who does and doesn't have a key to the shed, tells me that even they didn't trust Casey. Point blank.

I'm with you - I'm not ready to say that I think Casey killed her, or that even something bad happened to her. I know it's entirely possible, but just looking at those photos of Casey out and about a couple days after (and I think even the day of, right?) Caylee went missing, and seeing how happy she looked makes me think that she passed Caylee off to someone.

JMO

kathyn2
07-21-2008, 01:48 PM
I think 1 of 2 things happened here. Either Casey accidently killed this child
or
She was angry with GM and couldn't cope with having the child around all the time and asked some unscrupulous person she met up with to watch the child for a while. Maybe she met that person in the neighborhood where that apt. bldg. was. I am going on the thought that part of what Casey says is true. Maybe this baby sitter lives nearby. Maybe Casey was happily having a good time and just left the child with this person but the person was a crook and took the child and sold it for money. Could have sold her to a sex ring (God forbid) or to some unscrupulous people that sell children. Or maybe it is just some nut that wanted a child and then took off with her.

I would think if this baby sitter took her in an innocent way, she would have produced her by now. So either Casey killed the child by accident or stupidly gave her to someone she met around the boyfriend's neighborhood and truely doesn't know where this person took the child. The problem is, she has done all this lying which is way worse than the scenario I present above. Maybe Casey didn't want to child but didn't want the mom to have her either so sold her. I just hope we found out but it is illegal to sell children so if this was done, no one is going to come forward with her and I doubt she will ever be taken out in public untl she gets older and is not recognized.

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:48 PM
According the this morning's Fox vid, Caylee has been missing from Casey since June 14th? Really. Has she shared this with LE?

So...she's been "missing from Casey since June 14th," but Casey's boyfriend, Anthony, hasn't seen Caylee since June 2nd -

Casey was out at FUSIAN for the album release party (and photographed there) on June 13th - (she also invited Jesse to this, see the comment she left him on his MySpace) ...... something happen the night of the album release???

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 01:49 PM
I work in TV. The fact that grandma is so off the handle with reporters is ratings gold. No way are they going to stop talking to her as long as she's willing to put herself out there.

It's already starting to become a media circus, courtesy of Geraldo bringing on Dog the Bounty Hunter to weigh in with color commentary.

From the network's standpoint, more eyeballs is always good (same theory applies to local stations and news media).

From the standpoint of Caylee's recovery, more media attention is better than less, and grandma's confrontational demeanor only serves to put more pressure on the family to cough up what they know but aren't saying.
I know you are right about this! It is good for ratings. I think the public is so shocked by Cindy that we are waiting to see what outrageous thing she will do next.

DianeB
07-21-2008, 01:50 PM
Salem, I've been leaning along these same lines as well. But I also think Amy had something to do with it. Casey steals money from her before Amy goes on a trip to PR. Amy still lets Casey use her car and her b/f while she's away, and live at her place, yet she only kicks her out AFTER she returns.

I don't think Amy thought it through, she reported Casey stealing money to Cindy when questioned about Casey's whereabouts. I'm guessing Amy never thought this would get LE involved.

All IMO, of course.Did Amy ever kick Casey out, or did grandma simply show up to retrieve her after Amy gave out the address?

Anthony Lazzaro told law enforcement that the first he knew of the disappearance was when detectives showed up at his home. That would have been some time on/after July 15th.

He also told them he called Amy and instigated the phone call from her to the detective. This had to have been at the earliest, July 15th when she returned from Puerto Rico.

It was on July 15th that Amy spoke with grandma and she came to the apt to bring Casey home. Am I missing a statement from her about throwing Casey out?

liltigress
07-21-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm with you - I'm not ready to say that I think Casey killed her, or that even something bad happened to her. I know it's entirely possible, but just looking at those photos of Casey out and about a couple days after (and I think even the day of, right?) Caylee went missing, and seeing how happy she looked makes me think that she passed Caylee off to someone.

JMO

Absolutely. This is how I've felt all along from the instant I saw the smirk/smile on Casey's face as she was being escorted into the court room in handcuffs.

She wasn't trying to look devastated or worried.

SeekingJana
07-21-2008, 01:51 PM
This couple seems to walk on egg shells with there daughter,and that just bothers me. Why are they afraid of her. They seem to be hiding something about her.

Just a thought but MAYBE they realize how unstable she is too, and remember Melinda Duckett and little Trent, still officially " missing". I see MANY parallels between Melinda and Casey.

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:52 PM
"A daughter she probably had no reason to doubt until now."

No disrespect, but I kind of doubt that. Casey didn't just become a liar overnight, not the kind of lies she was telling.

The gm has put herself in front of the media and the public asking for help finding her grand-daughter. How she comes off does have an impact on the public.

One thing I don't understand is why did Casey need this babysitter when she lived home and I would assume her grandparents would be watching Caylee, and Casey didn't work (another lie that she mother apparently didn't realize). So did Casey get ready to go to work every day, leave, take Caylee to a babysitter...and then what did she do all day?

The particular incident that bothers me is when the gm said Casey told her that Caylee was staying overnight with the babysitter and that was the last time she saw her. That just seemed very odd to me when she lived home, why would she find the need (or expense) to have Caylee stay overnight with anyone, when the grandparents were home and I assume watched her most of the time. And the way she said it made me think she knew exactly who this babysitter was...like she didn't seemed surprised at this arrangement. The gm didn't seem like the type of person who would want her granddaughter staying with a sitter when she could be home sleeping in her own bed.

EXACTLY! And why would any of her friends believe that Caylee was with "the nanny," - if Casey wasn't working, surely her close friends would know this and find it off that Caylee was always with "the nanny????"

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 01:52 PM
Caylee wouldn't have even had to get hurt for Casey to be jealous. She took that little girl from the only home she'd ever know with people who were caring for her. I am sure Caylee cried for her grandma and that really got on Casey's nerves. But was it enough for Casey to do something terrible about it?
This is a good point. WHY did she take the child out of that home. Cindy denies they had a fight, but I don't believe her.
Something is being covered up. If Casey likes partying wouldn't it have been better to leave Caylee at grandma's where she had a built in babysitter?:waitasec:

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:53 PM
I'm starting to think that Casey came by her pathological liar trait via her mother...

As they say, "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!"

believe09
07-21-2008, 01:53 PM
THAT i agree with!

Caylee is "out there somewhere". No one thinks she vaporised into thin air...:bang:

Question is alive or not? Living with someone who cares? Or not?

Everyone seems to be skirting the issue here, which is HASTE is urgent.

Meanwhile everyone plods along....

IMHO Casey won't talk to Cindy...

Forgive me if I am duping someone elses' post-i am having trouble getting caught up! I am not sure Baez is saying anywhere that she is alive-he keeps talking about bringing her home to the people who love her and that releasing his client will be the way to do that....

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 01:53 PM
Did anyone else catch the threat Gma threw out about making Meghan look bad?
I caught it, and I also noticed that Cindy hung up on Meghan.:furious:

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:54 PM
"We at America's Newroom will look out for that child, which is more than we can say for what the family did."

Quoted by Anchor Meghan this morning on Fox after Grandma hung up the phone.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2503541&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,387283,00.html

She did an AWESOME job!!!!!!!!! Good for her!!!!!!! Cindy Anthony has more than a few screws loose!

mkay882
07-21-2008, 01:54 PM
Seems to me Cindy is afraid of the questions that may be asked about what happened to her grandaughter....... and much more afraid of the answers she may hear.

Also why release Casey so she can help?
If she wants to help so much, why can't she do so from where she sits?

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 01:55 PM
Seems to me Cindy is afraid of the questions that may be asked about what happened to her grandaughter....... and much more afraid of the answers she may hear.

Also why release Casey so she can help?
If she wants to help so much, why can't she do so from where she sits?
My thoughts exactly!

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:56 PM
Well, I'm out of here. I've been following this since the start and even began the very first thread.

But I find myself increasingly unhappy and disappointed by most of my fellow websleuthers.

Legitimate questions have been asked such as when was the last time anyone saw Casey driving the car (for example) yet no one (or hardly anyone) even tries to answer.

For the most part it is villify Grandma and say someone should force Casey to talk.

Well, this is America and the unfortunate truth is we can't force anyone to talk.

Unless evidence ends up showing me otherwise, I will try ad remain understanding of the Grandmother. She's lost her beloved granddaugther (and I have seen no evidence to prove otherwise). The daughter she loves has been show to be a pathological liar in front of the whole world. A daughter she probably had no reason to doubt until now.

And that daughter is her her only link to Caylee.

If I were her, I would also be desperately hoping Caylee were alive. That my daughter didn't harm her. that Casey, despite everything, might still tell the truth. That if the grandmother defends her enough and believes in her enough, something good will happen. What else can she do?

This thread(s) remind of the Ramsey boards. Vilify the parents or grandparents. Ignore other lines of inquiry.

I will continue to hope and pray for Caylee as well as for those who love her.

Did we miss YOUR input??

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 01:59 PM
Yes she does and she is one smart woman! She is always kind and always classy.
I think Fox should stop giving Cindy air time. She is NUTZ :crazy:

She is hanging herself, IMO

mkay882
07-21-2008, 01:59 PM
With all of this 'double talk', 'hemming & hawing' and 'talking of codes'....I have to wonder if Caylee's parentage is the big family secret?

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:04 PM
With all of this 'double talk', 'hemming & hawing' and 'talking of codes'....I have to wonder if Caylee's parentage is the big family secret?

I think it is a big secret. I think Casey never wanted her mother to know who the father is and Cindy let her tell that lie, in order to keep from having to share Caylee with the paternal family.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Does anyone have where it was posted of a "friend" of Casey's? I think the post was something like, a girl posts about the father and says "that's not what Casey told me" when mentioned the father died.

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:07 PM
Seems to me Cindy is afraid of the questions that may be asked about what happened to her grandaughter....... and much more afraid of the answers she may hear.

Also why release Casey so she can help?
If she wants to help so much, why can't she do so from where she sits?

She had 5 WEEKS to "help" for crying out loud!!!!!!! She partied and lied to everyone instead - why on Earth would she "help" now???

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 02:07 PM
My theory is that the father may be a married man. How and where was Casey getting all the money to party if she wasn't working?

Could it be that the only way this man could keep them from saying something to his wife would be to give them money? Maybe they were blackmailing him.

Anything is possible. But it does seem to be the big "secret" to me.

tamfish
07-21-2008, 02:10 PM
Just weighing in with my .02 worth:

I think Casey's parents are playing the supportive role because they know Casey did something to Caylee, and she's the only one who can lead them to the baby. I think they feel that if they play it right, Casey will give them information.

However, at the same time, I believe Casey killed her little girl -- whether by accident or otherwise, I don't have a theory. But with all the coverage this is getting, if she had passed the girl onto someone, they would have come forward by now OR someone would have seen her out somewhere.

The tattoo Casey got - "Bella Vida" - leads me to believe this even more. That sounds like a memoriam to me.

I also believe that Casey is mentally ill and/or has a personality disorder of some sort. She didn't just start making up lies a month ago - she's been this way for a long, long time. Her parents know it.

believe09
07-21-2008, 02:11 PM
I still think that Cindy, while doing more harm than good for herself and her daughter, is a woman possessed about bringing her world right again. I think that as things progress, some of the nonsense she states and some of the "information" she blurts out during interviews will be proven or disproven pretty easily.

I can see that the strategy LE is employing, in a way, has been successful in terms of applying pressure to this family. If Casey is indeed begging to be released, and there is no reason to believe she isn't, then the very first part of a deal she would offer is let me out and I can find her because I know who she is with...but maybe not so much where.

LE is drawing a line and saying, Oh no-we have had enough and you will tell us where she is now before anything else happens.

During the denial of bond, did any of you catch Casey agreeing with the judge when he said it appeared that she did not care very much about her child since it took so long to report her missing??? She nodded her head repeatedly...

murdershewrote
07-21-2008, 02:11 PM
yes, having the father "die" was mighty convenient for everybody. Another lie is my guess. Casey is young and I'm guessing so was the father...at least not that old to die right before she had the baby. Course if he died in a car accident or something, OK...but why wouldn't Casey have told her mother that. Why would that be such a big secret? GM says she doesn't know how he died. I mean, c'mon.

mkay882
07-21-2008, 02:11 PM
She had 5 WEEKS to "help" for crying out loud!!!!!!! She partied and lied to everyone instead - why on Earth would she "help" now???

EXACTLY!!
So what's the deal about releasing her? As far as we can see it wouldn't encourage Casey to tell the truth.
In fact, it would reinforce the fact she 'can get away with anything' once again...:waitasec:

ketel0ne
07-21-2008, 02:11 PM
The family better hope a hurricane doesn't hit the US coast in the next 96 hours, their story will be pushed to the back of the line. We have not had hurricane coverage in 2 years and the networks are ready. Even a small storm making US landfall will get massive coverage. This is a seize the window opportunity for them.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 02:12 PM
I hope they are able to keep her in lockup for the 30 odd days,and don't allow Cindy access to her,she just wants to keep the story straight. secrets secrets

SuziQ
07-21-2008, 02:13 PM
Well, I'm out of here. I've been following this since the start and even began the very first thread.

But I find myself increasingly unhappy and disappointed by most of my fellow websleuthers.

Legitimate questions have been asked such as when was the last time anyone saw Casey driving the car (for example) yet no one (or hardly anyone) even tries to answer.

For the most part it is villify Grandma and say someone should force Casey to talk.

Well, this is America and the unfortunate truth is we can't force anyone to talk.

Unless evidence ends up showing me otherwise, I will try ad remain understanding of the Grandmother. She's lost her beloved granddaugther (and I have seen no evidence to prove otherwise). The daughter she loves has been show to be a pathological liar in front of the whole world. A daughter she probably had no reason to doubt until now.

And that daughter is her her only link to Caylee.

If I were her, I would also be desperately hoping Caylee were alive. That my daughter didn't harm her. that Casey, despite everything, might still tell the truth. That if the grandmother defends her enough and believes in her enough, something good will happen. What else can she do?

This thread(s) remind of the Ramsey boards. Vilify the parents or grandparents. Ignore other lines of inquiry.

I will continue to hope and pray for Caylee as well as for those who love her.

First you are not the one who started the original thread. You started a duplicate one, in the wrong category,which a mod combined with the original, correct one.

Second, You need to read Websleuths (WS) Etiquette & Information
regarding attacking other posters.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65798

mkay882
07-21-2008, 02:15 PM
Man....I'm chomping at the bit to say WHO I THINK is Caylee's dad....Please don't let me say it...

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 02:16 PM
Is any one able to access records, birth,marriage,adoption. Just curious about Casey.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 02:17 PM
Man....I'm chomping at the bit to say WHO I THINK is Caylee's dad....Please don't let me say it...

I'm wandering to.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 02:19 PM
I have never ever heard a family member asking for the media's HELP in finding their missing loved on be so RUDE and arrogant! I game gma a pass on the Geraldo interview and chalked it up to being stressed and tired. But this is uncalled for!
IMO, gma knows something. The family needs to be truthful and Caylee will be found! Casey and gma need to get their acts together and SPEAK THE TRUTH asap! :mad:

So true so true! At first I thought,.. how would my mom feel if my daughter was gone and it was I who came up with this story??? My mom would air out ALL our dirty laundry to try to get my daughter back. She would not be acting like this GM. The media is trying to help and they are asking LEGITIMATE questions and she is being nothing but rude! How can you talk only about Caylee and her being missing when HER MOTHER left her with an unknown babysitter at a apartment that wasn't rented since Feb and didn't report her missing for 5 weeks??????
It is just absurd!:bang:

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:21 PM
As a grandmother myself, no one can make me believe that Cindy didn't know the father's last name. That's too convenient. Especially if the father suddenly dies in an accident. A grandmother's heart would be breaking for that family that would only have one thing in life left of their son,... Caylee.

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:23 PM
I hope they are able to keep her in lockup for the 30 odd days,and don't allow Cindy access to her,she just wants to keep the story straight. secrets secrets

Me too! Someone will get their stories mixed up!

NewMom2003
07-21-2008, 02:23 PM
It's crossed my mind that Caylee may be the product of incest between Casey and a family member. :(

I think there are deep, dark secrets in this family.

RR0004
07-21-2008, 02:24 PM
Seems to me Cindy is afraid of the questions that may be asked about what happened to her grandaughter....... and much more afraid of the answers she may hear.

Also why release Casey so she can help?
If she wants to help so much, why can't she do so from where she sits?
Forgive me for jumping in as this may have been addressed earlier, but I just got in from work. GM stated that she has not had time to speak with her daughter. Excuse me, but weren't they together setting up a MySpace page? (I believe that was mentioned on the Today Show this morning.) You don't question your daughter about her child's whereabouts? You don't ask her for the number of the "babysitter" so you can call her...a babysitter even the GM admits watched Caylee for a a year and a half? Take that one step further, why doesn't GM have the number of the babysitter if she was REAL? The gal on the Today Show asked great questions...at one point I thought I heard someone off camera say not to answer the question. Also, I know how daughters can get with their moms. I also wondered if Casey had removed Caylee from GM's life to punish her. I can even understand that to a point...but to the extent she is now carrying this out IMO is twisted. I saw her nodding at the judge when he berated her for her lack of concern for her child...and I wanted to wipe that smug look off her face myself. GM keeps saying "let her out" so I can talk to her. This girl is best off where she is and I hope she's receiving therapeutic care while she's there. She needs it!!

Sweetyhide
07-21-2008, 02:25 PM
Is Cindys husband name George?
I was looking up Orange county documents and found a Domestic court relations paper in Dec. What in the world could that be?
There are a ton of judgments in there too.
Just wondering if there were any troubles in that home before Casey left.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:25 PM
It's crossed my mind that Caylee may be the product of incest between Casey and a family member. :(

That has crossed several of our minds also. Cindy running the show and putting the gag order on dear old hubby?

Either way, they are all turning out to look like liars.

Apple...


.... Tree...

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:26 PM
As a grandmother myself, no one can make me believe that Cindy didn't know the father's last name. That's too convenient. Especially if the father suddenly dies in an accident. A grandmother's heart would be breaking for that family that would only have one thing in life left of their son,... Caylee.

ESPECIALLY if Caylee's father died - a decent grandparent would WANT to document for their granddaughter - so that she'd KNOW who her father was....and what about his family? You can't tell me that the paternal side of the family lost their son and have never wanted anything to do with his daughter - ?????? I CANNOT wait for some truth.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Man....I'm chomping at the bit to say WHO I THINK is Caylee's dad....Please don't let me say it...

SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!!! I have my suspicions that it might be a relative,. a very close relative,... JMO

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:28 PM
Forgive me for jumping in as this may have been addressed earlier, but I just got in from work. GM stated that she has not had time to speak with her daughter. Excuse me, but weren't they together setting up a MySpace page? (I believe that was mentioned on the Today Show this morning.) You don't question your daughter about her child's whereabouts? You don't ask her for the number of the "babysitter" so you can call her...a babysitter even the GM admits watched Caylee for a a year and a half? Take that one step further, why doesn't GM have the number of the babysitter if she was REAL? The gal on the Today Show asked great questions...at one point I thought I heard someone off camera say not to answer the question. Also, I know how daughters can get with their moms. I also wondered if Casey had removed Caylee from GM's life to punish her. I can even understand that to a point...but to the extent she is now carrying this out IMO is twisted. I saw her nodding at the judge when he berated her for her lack of concern for her child...and I wanted to wipe that smug look off her face myself. GM keeps saying "let her out" so I can talk to her. This girl is best off where she is and I hope she's receiving therapeutic care while she's there. She needs it!!

Too bad her mom can't get the same therapy!

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:30 PM
Man....I'm chomping at the bit to say WHO I THINK is Caylee's dad....Please don't let me say it...

Are you thinking possibly GP?

RR0004
07-21-2008, 02:30 PM
Does anyone have where it was posted of a "friend" of Casey's? I think the post was something like, a girl posts about the father and says "that's not what Casey told me" when mentioned the father died.
I'd like to see that if you can find it.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 02:30 PM
Is casey their bio daughter.

RR0004
07-21-2008, 02:31 PM
Is Cindys husband name George?
I was looking up Orange county documents and found a Domestic court relations paper in Dec. What in the world could that be?
There are a ton of judgments in there too.
Just wondering if there were any troubles in that home before Casey left.
I thought I had read that there was trouble, but they worked it out (?) Gosh, it's hard to keep everything straight.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Is casey their bio daughter.

Pretty sure she is

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:32 PM
Is Cindys husband name George?
I was looking up Orange county documents and found a Domestic court relations paper in Dec. What in the world could that be?
There are a ton of judgments in there too.
Just wondering if there were any troubles in that home before Casey left.

Yes, his name is George. Is this the dissolution of marriage file? George and Cindy filed for divorce in 2005, but it looks like they reconciled before the final order was entered. Can you post the link to this Domestic Court Relations Paper?

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 02:33 PM
Is Cindys husband name George?
I was looking up Orange county documents and found a Domestic court relations paper in Dec. What in the world could that be?
There are a ton of judgments in there too.
Just wondering if there were any troubles in that home before Casey left.

Yes, his name is George.

curiositycat
07-21-2008, 02:34 PM
Yes, his name is George. Is this the dissolution of marriage file? George and Cindy filed for divorce in 2005, but it looks like they reconciled before the final order was entered. Can you post the link to this Domestic Court Relations Paper?
Wouldn't that have been the same year Caylee was born?

whiteangora
07-21-2008, 02:34 PM
Yes, his name is George. Is this the dissolution of marriage file? George and Cindy filed for divorce in 2005, but it looks like they reconciled before the final order was entered. Can you post the link to this Domestic Court Relations Paper?

OMG! That would be around the time Casey was pregnant!

mkay882
07-21-2008, 02:34 PM
SAY IT!!! SAY IT!!!! I have my suspicions that it might be a relative,. a very close relative,... JMO

:clap:

Juliana
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Is casey their bio daughter.

I'll go out on a limb and say for sure Cindy and Casey are biologically related. It must be hereditary. Not so sure about Gpa and Casey.

imo

ShinaLite
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
I'd like to see that if you can find it.


maybe it was this that I posted the other day
I came across it on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel forum by someone named Michele claiming to know Casey and the family...She's answering a post in reference to Caylee's father..





There is no father figure in Caylee's life. Only her loving grandpa and uncle and lots of other long-time male friends who treated Caylee like their own. But to my knowledge, no one knows who the father is and as far as I can assume - different people got a different story. The police heard he was dead, I heard something totally different when I asked her about a year ago.*Shrug*

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/so...6V9G81LEKAP/p5

ella's mom
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
I'd like to see that if you can find it.

I am trying to find it too. IIRC, it is on the first thread and it is a copy from another posting site - maybe the Orlando Sentinal. I will keep digging.

ETA - Looks like we posted at the same time Shinalite. That's what I was looking for.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
One thing that don't wash.... Casey's close friends know who the father is.. or who Casey had told who the father is. Girls talk, and I believe at least 2 of these girls are covering, one being Casey.

Elley Mae
07-21-2008, 02:35 PM
Wouldn't Casey have been pregnant then.

imnotheonlyone
07-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Wouldn't that have been the same year Caylee was born?

Yes! I will find the exact date and post it (that dissolution was filed for).

warrkat
07-21-2008, 02:36 PM
Man....I'm chomping at the bit to say WHO I THINK is Caylee's dad....Please don't let me say it...

Pleeeeeeeeeease, don't say what I think you're going to say. This story is too weird already!

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 02:36 PM
I went to the www.helpfindcaylee.com website and this is what is posted when you hit contact:

"Use this form to provide any information about Caylee you have. None of the fields are mandatory but we would appreciate as much as you feel comfortable leaving.

We would appreciate it if you would keep the comments about Caylee and not about her mom or anything else unless you feel it could directly help in the search for Caylee."

Sweetyhide
07-21-2008, 02:37 PM
This domestic thingy is december 2007

here is the link of the page
Just enter in Cynthia Anthony and Orange County

http://www.myfloridacounty.com/services/officialrecords_intro.shtml

Of course you cant see the actual record, but its interesting.

mkay882
07-21-2008, 02:38 PM
Are you thinking possibly GP?

All these circles they're spinning....Someone will eventually think it is at least a close family member.

Of course I have to say IMO here cause I really haven't a clue....and I don't want to get banned, but these folks are hiding something. IMO

Just tossing things out and seeing if anyone shoots at them...

raine1212
07-21-2008, 02:38 PM
I may have missed this, but did they say the car was towed from Amscot, when I looked at Orange county clerk of courts sites, their site was listed and they take child support payments, cash advance, postage and etc... My point has anyone memtioned security cameras. forgive me if this has been brought up.

liltigress
07-21-2008, 02:38 PM
maybe it was this that I posted the other day
I came across it on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel forum by someone named Michele claiming to know Casey and the family...She's answering a post in reference to Caylee's father..






http://www.topix.com/forum/source/so...6V9G81LEKAP/p5

That looks like part of what I remember, but I specifically remember it posted that someone said "that's not what Casey told me".. this has haunted me.

Hailiejade77
07-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Ok,.. I am going off on a limb here,.. maybe they were gonna get a divorce because GP was messing around with Casey and GM found out. Then when Casey was found out to pregnant they decided to stay together as a family and raise this child together. GM took over mom role since GP is the dad and it was her way to take control of a situation that she couldn't control. JMO

NewMom2003
07-21-2008, 02:39 PM
Are you thinking possibly GP?

:(

That's who I'm leaning towards. :(

I wonder if he is actually her step-father?

January.
07-21-2008, 02:40 PM
I believe Cindy threatened to take Caylee away from Casey, due to Casey's party-girl ways. Maybe Casey did start taking on a job as a stripper/dancer as someone suggested already and Cindy found out.

Whatever it is that Cindy had on Casey, it was enough to make Casey leave and take away the one thing Cindy loves most, Caylee.

It is like a "haha I'll show you" kinda thing, but it is still enough threat to Casey that she is refusing to tell the truth about where Caylee is.


My mind has gone a million ways in the past few days, but this is exactly what I'm starting to think as well. I think maybe in the process though, something happened to Caylee whether it be accidental or on purpose out of jealousy. It's been said that Cindy was controlling of Casey's life, and most likely her parenting too, especially since they lived under the same roof. Maybe Cindy "took over" parenting and Caylee got more attached to her which made Casey jealous.

warrkat
07-21-2008, 02:41 PM
The grandfather is a step-grand, right? I think I read that very early in the case.