Who Is Caylee's Biological Father?

[SelmaClue]

The resemblence in those two particular photos is uncanny. I'd have to see a few more side-by-sides, though. Maybe they'll have to call Maury Povich.
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[MIMI2]

I also think Caylee looks SO much like JP, especially when you put the pictures side by side.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s336/starshineinca/caylee.jpg

[DBinMA]

I have been avoiding the daddy thread because I think the potential to drag innocent people through the mud is high but....
Wow looking at the side by side is unreal. There is a link:
http://www.myheritage.com/

Where you can play with photos of children and parents. Not sure if it would be helpful to those wondering.

[dee10134]

I have been avoiding the daddy thread because I think the potential to drag innocent people through the mud is high but....
Wow looking at the side by side is unreal. There is a link:
http://www.myheritage.com/

Where you can play with photos of children and parents. Not sure if it would be helpful to those wondering.

I agree, BUT the resemblance is unreal.

[NighTillDawn]

Anyone else here think JP Chatt is Caylee's biological father?! The resemblance there is uncanny.

Have they ran DNA yet on any men to determine who is her father?

I have also seen the pic of JP, and yes, I also agree, but you just never know. I watch Maury alot, and sometimes you see kids that are the spitting image of their so called father, but when the DNA test comes back saying their not the father, you sitting there like, what the hell, the kid looks just like him. So you never know. By the pics, yes it does look like Caylee resembles JP, but he may not be her father.

[redmamatwo]

she's got a lot of the same features as JP. I agree that it does no good to speculate, but it would be good if the father knew she was his.

[Patience]

Jesus Ortiz?

http://www.newcomernet.com/obituaries/obitsearch.asp?selected=4&ObitID=20113&EMSessionID=-1&Source=value

Jesus E. Ortiz, age 20 of Orlando, passed away on Tuesday May 8, 2007. He was born to Jesus A. Ortiz and Olga I. Marquez in Humacao, Puerto Rico on September 8, 1986. He is survived by his parents and sister Olga M. Ortiz. Visitation will be held from 5-9PM on Monday May 14, 2007. Funeral services will be held Tuesday May 15, 2007 at Iglesia de Dios Pentecostal, Orlando. Interment will follow at Greenwood Cemetery, Orlando.
Published May 14, 2007
Newcomer Funeral Home & Cremation Services

[Vegas Bride]

Imo if Casey could have proven Caylee was the daughter of Jesus, she would have done just that. I really think she just threw his name out there because he was dead. If he really was the father then couldn't she have gotten social security payments for Caylee?
After it was proven Jesse was not the father, I imagine her parents were trying to find out just who the father was, I think it was just a way for her to get them off her back about it, this is the father but he'd dead.
Now the question is, why hasn't the father been named? Is she not sure who it is, could it have been a 1 night fling never to be seen again? If Casey knew and could prove through paternity testing who the father is why hasn't she done so? She would then be able to get child support and for someone without a job that would be pretty handy.
I'm having a very difficult time trying to make sense of anything this girl does, did she ever think???

VB

[Salem]

Another bio dad discussion.

[Nickelfoo]

Sorry if this was already posted, but I didn't see it anywhere. I found an inconsistency in the stories told by the Anthony family members about the biological father of Caylee.

Cindy Anthony said Caylee's father was just a friend of Casey's that "lives" out of state, and he started another family by the time Caylee was born, and "he passed away" earlier in the year in a car crash and his family never had knowledge of Caylee and that was a mutual thing that he and Casey had agreed upon, that he would never be in Caylee's life. I found a TV interview with brother Lee, Lee says they will not say who the father was because they didn't want the biological father's family to go through what they are going through media wise. When asked did the biological father's family knew about Caylee he answered no, the father didn't even know.

Yes I caught that too. Not to mention Cindy said in court she thought Jesse was the father. Oh what a tangled web we weave......

[Patience]

search Zenaida Ortiz and grandparent visitation...

So what does this mean exactly?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/helpfindthemissing/DocumentonJesus.jpg

and...
http://www.nysun.com/comments/22794


Courts Gets Case Of Grandparental Visitation Rights (http://www.nysun.com/new-york/courts-gets-case-of-grandparental-visitation/46007/)
in response to reader comment: Victim of New York Grandparent Visitation Law DRL 72 (http://www.nysun.com/comments/7209)Submitted by zenaida ortiz, May 7, 2007 16:18
I respect the wishes of those parents who don't wish their children to have any contact with their grandparents. In some cases it is good. But for others like me, who only wants to see her grandchild but is constantly impeded by the other grandparent who has custody--it is not fair. And laws are to protect all grandparents. We cannot pick and chose who will benefit from grandparents rights or not. My situation is unique. The mother of my grandchild is mentally incapacited and her mother (the other grandmother) is a Jehova Witness and for some reason does not particularly want me to see my grandchild on a regular basis. There have been issues relating to the safety of the child because of the parent's emotional state and she has been violent and is under a doctor's care. I had the occasion of speaking with Child Welfare Bureau agency staff and so has my son who currently resides in Florida. I want to be a part of this child's life. She does know me and tells me she loves me. This relationship should not be taken away. My religion is different and I do not hold it against them. I feel I should be in her life so I can keep track of her and see for myself that she is being provided for in a loving, healthy manner. My grandchild needs to know she is also loved by the family of her father even though he cannot physically live in the area.

[Patience]

The research I have done does not reflect Jesus's Mom name is Zenaida, fyi..

ok, thanks, and yes it is hard to keep up on everything.:bang:

[Truthful Lies]

I don't care if this sounds judgmental (tisk-tisk for me), but I think if she KNEW who Caylee's father is, she would have pushed for child support payments....she didn't work...wouldn't Cindy and George also have asked Casey why the father wasn't helping? She prob. doesn't even know.

[dee10134]

I think Casey Anthony is one of those people that lived for the moment. I don't think she had the mental capability to plan for the future. One of those people that just lives on impulses. It could be quite possible that she had a one night stand and that Caylee's father was some random guy and that it was much easier for her to lie and pin the father title on Jesus, who passed away. I'm not being judgemental here, just being real, based off of the apparent "clubbing" and "hookup" scene she seemed to be quite involved in.......

I just think if Jesus is not the father of this little girl, the real father deserves to know.... regardless of the behavior of the mother.

[Truthful Lies]

I'm right with you, Dee. I think that's the most logical explanation, but this is a case without logic, so we shall see! =)

[SelmaClue]

There are more photos of Caylee on GM Cindy's myspace page, if you click on 'PICS'.
This baby definitely looks like JP Chatt. I'd be very surprised to learn he's not the baby daddy.

[SelmaClue]

I see the photos were removed from the first post. Are we not supposed to post photos? Or is it that we can't post photos of JP because he's not involved in the case?
Thanks

[Sweetchelle]

I just think if Jesus is not the father of this little girl, the real father deserves to know.... regardless of the behavior of the mother.

I couldnt agree more! WHoever it is deserves to know.

[SelmaClue]

Don't have the link, but --- Cindy stated that Casey and the father agreed he would not be part of Caylee's life. If that's true, he already knows. And if he cared, he'd have come forward by now.

[zadari]

I don't care if this sounds judgmental (tisk-tisk for me), but I think if she KNEW who Caylee's father is, she would have pushed for child support payments....she didn't work...wouldn't Cindy and George also have asked Casey why the father wasn't helping? She prob. doesn't even know.
sometimes its better when the father isnt involved .. there could be reasons she did that . most mothers need the help with child support .but if the father is dangerous or ect mabey its best to keep him out of the kids life ?.

[dee10134]

Don't have the link, but --- Cindy stated that Casey and the father agreed he would not be part of Caylee's life. If that's true, he already knows. And if he cared, he'd have come forward by now.

I really don't believe that. I think that was another lie by both of them to cover up the fact that Casey really doesn't know who Caylee's father actually is.

I wouldn't put it past either of them.... it's already known that Casey is a habitual liar. Casey probably told her mother the father wanted nothing to do with Caylee for sympathy and Cindy totally bought it...

[dee10134]

sometimes its better when the father isnt involved .. there could be reasons she did that . most mothers need the help with child support .but if the father is dangerous or ect mabey its best to keep him out of the kids life ?.

I do not agree with that at all. I believe father's have a right to know about and/or see their children. It is not up to the mother to decide that. If the mother has a problem with the father, leave it up to the judge to decide whether or not the father is fit or unfit in family court.

ETA: If the father didn't want anything to do with his child, then the Anthony's should have had him sign over his paternity rights.... ;)

[SelmaClue]

ETA: If the father didn't want anything to do with his child, then the Anthony's should have had him sign over his paternity rights.... ;)

According to Cindy, there's no father listed on the birth certificate and there was an agreement (bogus or not) between the father and Casey. So, unless some dude comes forward to go to court to claim his paternity, there's no legal paternity "rights" for any man. Right?
:confused:

[SelmaClue]

I really don't believe that. I think that was another lie by both of them to cover up the fact that Casey really doesn't know who Caylee's father actually is.

I wouldn't put it past either of them.... it's already known that Casey is a habitual liar. Casey probably told her mother the father wanted nothing to do with Caylee for sympathy and Cindy totally bought it...

I respect this opinion and you could be right!
:crazy:

The other thing is, even if it wasn't a lie, Casey didn't need a man to make child support payments because she's always had mommy and daddy to take care of all her sheeeeit and pay her bills.
:aktion033:

[oceanblueeyes]

sometimes its better when the father isn't involved .. there could be reasons she did that . most mothers need the help with child support .but if the father is dangerous or ect maybe its best to keep him out of the kids life ?.

I do believe that the man who died in the car crash is most likely the father of Caycee.

I cant see Casey ever having one rational thought when it came to what was in the best interest of her child. There is nothing showing, as far as I have read, that any of these potential fathers were dangerous and they certainly couldn't have been more dangerous than Casey Anthony has turned out to be for Caylee.

I think Casey lied just like she lies when she opens her mouth. I don't think the father every knew that he was the father of Caylee. She either doesn't have a clue who the father really is or she lied to her parents that the father did not want to help raise Caylee.

What she has done is unforgivable to me. No matter if she did not want the father in Caylee's life she took away the rights of Caylee's other grandparents to even know they had a beautiful little granddaughter. If it is the man who died in the vehicle accident, that family has not only lost their son but may have been robbed from having a relationship with his child, their grandchild.

I hope they do find out who the father then maybe the other grandparents can go to court to get rights to see Caylee if by some miracle she is still alive, which I do not believe she is.

[oceanblueeyes]

I do not agree with that at all. I believe father's have a right to know about and/or see their children. It is not up to the mother to decide that. If the mother has a problem with the father, leave it up to the judge to decide whether or not the father is fit or unfit in family court.

ETA: If the father didn't want anything to do with his child, then the Anthony's should have had him sign over his paternity rights.... ;)

I must agree with you.

I have seen so many segments about this issue discussed on the major news channels lately and all the experts seem to agree. We need more fathers in the lives of their children not fewer.

You are correct. Those issues can be resolved in court where it is handled day in and day out.

jmo

[LuLu128]

This may already have been discovered but the Jesus Ortiz that may be Caylee's father is Jesus E Ortiz born 9/8/1986.
Maybe with this info, we can find if there is any relation in the family to a Zenaida.
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgCases.aspx?SessionID=c4a92e3f-2e02-4488-a2a0-98e269bd9cf6
on this link, you can see all of the case records for Jesus.
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details_Ody.aspx?SessionID=c4a92e3f-2e02-4488-a2a0-98e269bd9cf6&CaseID=161276
on this link, you can see a Jesus A Ortiz and Olga Marquez were petitioning for Administration in May 2007 after the death of Jesus E Ortiz.
Not sure if this will help us at all, but I thought I'd post in case someone could find something based on more specific data on Jesus.

[dee10134]

I don't know or care who Caylee's father is. It's not my business.

I would think that he should have the right to know first of all if this is his child, and secondly what happened to his daughter, even if they didn't have a relationship for whatever reason.

Obviously, Casey is a liar and probably told every guy she slept with that the baby wasn't theirs... possibly another sympathy ploy...

[curiositycat]

This may already have been discovered but the Jesus Ortiz that may be Caylee's father is Jesus E Ortiz born 9/8/1986.
Maybe with this info, we can find if there is any relation in the family to a Zenaida.
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/BkgCases.aspx?SessionID=c4a92e3f-2e02-4488-a2a0-98e269bd9cf6
on this link, you can see all of the case records for Jesus.
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Details_Ody.aspx?SessionID=c4a92e3f-2e02-4488-a2a0-98e269bd9cf6&CaseID=161276
on this link, you can see a Jesus A Ortiz and Olga Marquez were petitioning for Administration in May 2007 after the death of Jesus E Ortiz.
Not sure if this will help us at all, but I thought I'd post in case someone could find something based on more specific data on Jesus.

I too have researched these people. They are born-again Christians. I think if they thought there was anything to this they would do the right thing. I also do not believe they would EVER do something like kidnapping. I have a close, close friend that attended church with these people in Florida when she lived there. She knows them well and I am convinced they have nothing to do with this. AT ALL

[worriedmom]

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I think that maybe Caylee's father is the marine named Hawkins. If you look on his myspace page, he lists Caylee as one of his heroes, and says something along the lines of "I wish I were with you, honey. . . " He and Casey seem to have known each other for many years (unlike JP or Ricardo who, from web evidence, seem to have come into her life more recently), and Casey writes to him on July 14th that he's her best friend. Also, he has a friend (or I suspect, maybe sister) named "Carree" (note the spelling), who has made her myspace page private, BUT, on the front page it says she's mad and that "Casey Anthony should bring her daughter Caylee home". In addition, Carree (note the spelling) writes to the Marine Hawkins (I'm not listing the first name for privacy sake, the last name was clearly in the photobucket picture on his uniform) on July 20th that "I'm praying for you and the Anthonys" -- why would she be praying for him in the same breath as the Anthony's?? If he were Caylee's daddy. (My other thought is that maybe the spelling of Caylee's name is a tribute not to Lee, but to her paternal aunt . . .)

[krimekat]

Why do we care WHO is caylee's father? IMO, it is a moot point since he has not been in her life for 3 yrs . . .

[diablo]

I'll throw out this incredibly crazy thought. Why is the girl named "Caylee"

I have friends named Carmen & Kimberly, and they named their offspring "Carly" because it was a combo of their two names.

You can fill in the blanks of this ludacris thought I had when the case first broke.

[Annette73]

I'll throw out this incredibly crazy thought. Why is the girl named "Caylee"

I have friends named Carmen & Kimberly, and they named their offspring "Carly" because it was a combo of their two names.

You can fill in the blanks of this ludacris thought I had when the case first broke.

Someone posted about this in another thread, Caylee is a combination of the names Casey and Lee (Casey's brother).

[SelmaClue]

This is probably not going to be a popular question, but *** why do we even care who the baby daddy might be? What does he have to do with Caylee's disappearance and potential recovery? I understand if it's merely idle curiosity, but beyond that *** I can't see why it matters.
(((Don't beat me up, okay? Please?)))

[Beyond Me]

One of the reasons I personally can think of is most child kidnappings as done by none custodial parents. Anytime there is a kidnapping the police want to clear anybody in the childs life as the possible kid napper.

This is probably not going to be a popular question, but *** why do we even care who the baby daddy might be? What does he have to do with Caylee's disappearance and potential recovery? I understand if it's merely idle curiosity, but beyond that *** I can't see why it matters.
(((Don't beat me up, okay? Please?)))

[diablo]

Someone posted about this in another thread, Caylee is a combination of the names Casey and Lee (Casey's brother).

yeah, kinda weird ain't it ?

[feddup]

This is probably not going to be a popular question, but *** why do we even care who the baby daddy might be? What does he have to do with Caylee's disappearance and potential recovery? I understand if it's merely idle curiosity, but beyond that *** I can't see why it matters.
(((Don't beat me up, okay? Please?)))

I feel the same way.....he didnt seem to be in her life. To me it is an insult to Caylee, she is who she is, innocent little girl who Im sure is loved by alot of people. It is too private and I dont think her bio Father had anything to do with her missing. At least we have never heard of any concerns that way.....

[Cagney]

Early on there was a lot of talk about who her bio dad was, but as of late that seems to have petered out.
Anyone still curious about this?
Anyone have any speculations?

[MD MOMMY]

Looks like it could be one of MANY... I guess we all have our "thoughts". Unless the biological dad has anything to to with this case..I'm not interested what so ever. It's just another mystery.

[Patty G]

Here a forum full of stuff ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67817

[icherish]

Honestly, I don't think it matters. It's been established there has never been a bio father in Caylee's life. I don't buy into any of the "baby daddy" theories or scenarios...I think Casey simply doesn't know who he is and/or doesn't care. JMO

[RebeccaAdrianne]

Honestly, I don't think it matters. It's been established there has never been a bio father in Caylee's life. I don't buy into any of the "baby daddy" theories or scenarios...I think Casey simply doesn't know who he is and/or doesn't care. JMO

I second that!:crazy:

[JBean]

Early on there was a lot of talk about who her bio dad was, but as of late that seems to have petered out.
Anyone still curious about this?
Anyone have any speculations?
Here a forum full of stuff ...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67817
Howdy Cagney. It would be great if you could bump old threads to resurrect a discussion. Then we don't have to start all over!
I sent a merge request to Christina, but I am not sure if she is around.

So if you would do a quick check on old threads that would be awesome.

[ShannonOhara]

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I think that maybe Caylee's father is the marine named Hawkins. If you look on his myspace page, he lists Caylee as one of his heroes, and says something along the lines of "I wish I were with you, honey. . . " He and Casey seem to have known each other for many years (unlike JP or Ricardo who, from web evidence, seem to have come into her life more recently), and Casey writes to him on July 14th that he's her best friend. Also, he has a friend (or I suspect, maybe sister) named "Carree" (note the spelling), who has made her myspace page private, BUT, on the front page it says she's mad and that "Casey Anthony should bring her daughter Caylee home". In addition, Carree (note the spelling) writes to the Marine Hawkins (I'm not listing the first name for privacy sake, the last name was clearly in the photobucket picture on his uniform) on July 20th that "I'm praying for you and the Anthonys" -- why would she be praying for him in the same breath as the Anthony's?? If he were Caylee's daddy. (My other thought is that maybe the spelling of Caylee's name is a tribute not to Lee, but to her paternal aunt . . .)


Hey that makes sence to me, good post.

[dunlurken]

I think the biological dad could be a very important player in this case if we knew who he was.

JMO.

I find it interesting no father was named on the birth certificate. That is just wrong. Even if you don't like the guy, you put his name there so that years the child can say, who is my Daddy, and you have an answer.

Just WRONG!

[lisalei321]

I think the biological dad could be a very important player in this case if we knew who he was.

JMO.

I find it interesting no father was named on the birth certificate. That is just wrong. Even if you don't like the guy, you put his name there so that years the child can say, who is my Daddy, and you have an answer.

Just WRONG!


Not defending Casey on this, but in the state of FL, if the father is not present to sign the birth certificate (with ID and notorized), no name can be placed on the certificate.

[jat]

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I think that maybe Caylee's father is the marine named Hawkins. If you look on his myspace page, he lists Caylee as one of his heroes, and says something along the lines of "I wish I were with you, honey. . . " He and Casey seem to have known each other for many years (unlike JP or Ricardo who, from web evidence, seem to have come into her life more recently), and Casey writes to him on July 14th that he's her best friend. Also, he has a friend (or I suspect, maybe sister) named "Carree" (note the spelling), who has made her myspace page private, BUT, on the front page it says she's mad and that "Casey Anthony should bring her daughter Caylee home". In addition, Carree (note the spelling) writes to the Marine Hawkins (I'm not listing the first name for privacy sake, the last name was clearly in the photobucket picture on his uniform) on July 20th that "I'm praying for you and the Anthonys" -- why would she be praying for him in the same breath as the Anthony's?? If he were Caylee's daddy. (My other thought is that maybe the spelling of Caylee's name is a tribute not to Lee, but to her paternal aunt . . .)

Excellent points. Do you, by chance, have the link to his photos?

Thanks!!!

[LI_Mom]

I think the biological dad could be a very important player in this case if we knew who he was.


I agree.

If by chance Caylee is still alive, it sure would be nice to have a PATERNAL FAMILY that can step up to the plate & fight for full custody. Or at least be able to watch over her IF she was returned to the Anthonys..... Casey lost her once, how do we know she wouldn't lose her again..... she's SUCH a mis-manager of small children.


I think it's selfish for women to not make every effort to know who fathered their children..... every child has a moral right to know his/her family, if at all possible.

Though, I'd make exceptions if the father was some kind of monster... pedophile, serial killer... someone so vile, it's better to never know the truth.

[Mysticj]

I think the biological dad could be a very important player in this case if we knew who he was.

JMO.

I find it interesting no father was named on the birth certificate. That is just wrong. Even if you don't like the guy, you put his name there so that years the child can say, who is my Daddy, and you have an answer.

Just WRONG!

Sorry but I did not put the birth dad on my sons certificate...I had my reasons. 1) he was not going to be a part of his life as he already walked out. Why give him his last name????
I am glad that he has my last name. He knows he has a father and his name but he doesn't know him. And I would never put someones name on something as important as a birth certificate if they did not care one centilla about there own flesh and blood...They do not deserve it.

[partyuv5]

we never intend to pick bad dads

[STEADFAST]

Excellent points. Do you, by chance, have the link to his photos?

Thanks!!!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68213&page=21

Post #4, third link in the quoted area.

ETA I notice in some posts people get this Marine, Hawkins, mixed up with the "Jeff Hopkins" that Casey claimed introduced her to Zanny.

[Bobby62]

I think the father may be a player yet to be named. Caylee had to be conceived somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas. It would be fairly easy for her friends from that time to name a candidate.

If the donor was with Casey at that time, he is probably aware at this point that there is a good chance it was him. Central Fl is blanketed with coverage. I would hope he would stand up, sue her for paternal rights, then sue her for the loss of his child. I would also sue her for hiding the existance of Caylee to me. In civil court she can be made to talk. She may lie but would at least answer questions where answers can be verified.

I don't think it will matter when the car DNA is all lined up. I think LE is doing a fine job. They are not giving a play by play on Fox news though. It is coming together. They say they are working 24/7 on this. That would not happen if there was nothing to work on.

[passionflower]

This is my opinion only! But at age 19, Casey is pregnant. Parents deny it. Mom is a nurse. They claim she was taken to doctor in the 8th month. No boyfriend at the time?
Casey said she didn't have sex? okay then what did she call 'sex'? Incest? Rape? many guys? Decided to name father ( a deceased man, that family does not know her?) No dad's name on birth certificate? No support? no SS? no welfare? Why so secret? And if the parents cover up and lie about everything, so will the kids...........IMO

[JerseyGirl]

And I would never put someones name on something as important as a birth certificate if they did not care one centilla about there own flesh and blood...They do not deserve it.
I totally agree with you. It's almost like an honor to have your name on a birth certificate; an honor many people don't deserve. It doesn't mean that the child can't/doesn't know who the father is.

[JerseyGirl]

If the donor was with Casey at that time, he is probably aware at this point that there is a good chance it was him. Central Fl is blanketed with coverage. I would hope he would stand up, sue her for paternal rights, then sue her for the loss of his child. I would also sue her for hiding the existance of Caylee to me.
That would be assuming that she knew who it was and deliberately hid it, (and that the biological dad DIDN'T already know and tell her to jump in a lake).

[ShouldBWorking]

I think the father may be a player yet to be named. Caylee had to be conceived somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas. It would be fairly easy for her friends from that time to name a candidate.

If the donor was with Casey at that time, he is probably aware at this point that there is a good chance it was him. Central Fl is blanketed with coverage. I would hope he would stand up, sue her for paternal rights, then sue her for the loss of his child. I would also sue her for hiding the existance of Caylee to me. In civil court she can be made to talk. She may lie but would at least answer questions where answers can be verified.

I don't think it will matter when the car DNA is all lined up. I think LE is doing a fine job. They are not giving a play by play on Fox news though. It is coming together. They say they are working 24/7 on this. That would not happen if there was nothing to work on.

did she work at Universal during this time, thinking about that time of the year and how many tourist are in Orlando and wondering if she was a little free in the $ex department the dad could be anywhere, I really don't think she has a clue, reminds of a couple Maury shows I've watched

[Bobby62]

did she work at Universal during this time, thinking about that time of the year and how many tourist are in Orlando and wondering if she was a little free in the $ex department the dad could be anywhere, I really don't think she has a clue, reminds of a couple Maury shows I've watched

Tourist dad. I had not thought of that. I am pretty sure she was at Universal at that time. It would have been about 7 months after un-graduation. This baby daddy needs to be found. I wonder if LE has found him? If he was a park patron from Des Moines, he will never be found, unless he is in CODIS. Hmmmm

My guess is simpler. The father is someone who she thought would not ever amount to much of an ATM and she let him go.

[ShouldBWorking]

My guess is simpler. The father is someone who she thought would not ever amount to much of an ATM and she let him go.

looks like in her case $50 a week would have been something, she was stealing from her grandparents, friends etc., I believe IF she knew who the father was he would have been squeezed for whatever she could get

[maza]

maybe her brother, Lee? (caylee)
i still think this is a possibility given the results of the DNA tests on the hairs in the trunk.

[librarian_mama]

Honestly, I think something is definitely off about their lies about the father. This is a girl who thinks NOTHING of stealing from a friend, a grandparent and parents--all of whom knew she was the thief. Why in the world would she make a conscious decision to not collect child support? And, if the father "died in a car accident," why would this opportunist not collect the SS payments?

Cindy & George have defaulted on credit cards, Cindy was evicted from an apartment--these aren't people who live by strict moral standards. Who cares if the baby's father "doesn't care"--he is legally obligated to financially support his child.

Also, look at the willingness for Cindy to take time out of her harrowing "search" for Caylee to trot down to the AG's office to file a claim of identity theft?

I don't believe ONE THING any member of the Anthony family says.

[moxiecrimefighter]

Well, it certainly weighs on me how HARD Cindy is trying to protect Casey - also the BS she keeps throwing out there to impede TM and anyone else from finding Caylee.

This leads me to believe the family is hiding some deep, dark secret. A secret that would have Cindy protect Casey out of GUILT. Think about it - something isn't right here.

[DaisyBelle]

Honestly, I think something is definitely off about their lies about the father. This is a girl who thinks NOTHING of stealing from a friend, a grandparent and parents--all of whom knew she was the thief. Why in the world would she make a conscious decision to not collect child support? And, if the father "died in a car accident," why would this opportunist not collect the SS payments?

Cindy & George have defaulted on credit cards, Cindy was evicted from an apartment--these aren't people who live by strict moral standards. Who cares if the baby's father "doesn't care"--he is legally obligated to financially support his child.

Also, look at the willingness for Cindy to take time out of her harrowing "search" for Caylee to trot down to the AG's office to file a claim of identity theft?

I don't believe ONE THING any member of the Anthony family says.

I honestly think Casey has no clue who the father is.. its known she had MULTIPLE partners. My guess is Cindy and George are just covering for her once again to save face. They seem to be the type of people who care a lot about what people think of them.

[lillygator]

I agree she has had multiple partners but don't you think she would be able to narrow it down just a little bit?

[DaisyBelle]

I agree she has had multiple partners but don't you think she would be able to narrow it down just a little bit?

Maybe... but how embarrassing would it be to go up to two or three different guys and say "hey you might be the father... would you mind taking a DNA test??" Sooner or later word gets out that so and so took a DNA test and so did this guy and before you know it she has the reputation of being the "easy girl" I think she'd rather keep her mouth shut and just say "oh he died" and everyone feel sorry for her

[edgeofnight]

Well, it certainly weighs on me how HARD Cindy is trying to protect Casey - also the BS she keeps throwing out there to impede TM and anyone else from finding Caylee.

This leads me to believe the family is hiding some deep, dark secret. A secret that would have Cindy protect Casey out of GUILT. Think about it - something isn't right here.

Something is way not right here. The dark secret has been speculated on here with the LP DNA thread. I've been thinking this for awhile, just didn't want to go there. The only one thing I know at this time is I am more naive then I ever thought possible, I must truly live a very boring life.

[lillygator]

Maybe... but how embarrassing would it be to go up to two or three different guys and say "hey you might be the father... would you mind taking a DNA test??" Sooner or later word gets out that so and so took a DNA test and so did this guy and before you know it she has the reputation of being the "easy girl" I think she'd rather keep her mouth shut and just say "oh he died" and everyone feel sorry for her

I would be willing to bet she already had that reputation.

[zadari]

i really really dont think that lee is the father nor is her father the father .. he is probably one of many one night stands she had and doesnt remember who it is .. i just dont see lee being into his sister that way

[DaisyBelle]

i really really dont think that lee is the father nor is her father the father .. he is probably one of many one night stands she had and doesnt remember who it is .. i just dont see lee being into his sister that way

Neither do I.. I think this is just LP way of getting back on TV... I mean this family is definitely off... but thats just a little too off the wall

[DaisyBelle]

I would be willing to bet she already had that reputation.

Haha I'm sure... But who wants to be the Maury girl :)

[tttterri]

The abc new video released today shows JP at Caylees 2nd birthday party last yr! He just keeps popping up but they including le are keeping him mysterious in all of this. I dont understand. He also wears a military outfit in some of his photos, a Maverick, is that airborne? not sure. this thread needs some bumping!

[Gaia713]

i really really dont think that lee is the father nor is her father the father .. he is probably one of many one night stands she had and doesnt remember who it is .. i just dont see lee being into his sister that way

Yet in one interview, Lee seemed to claiam to know who the father was. Strange that he would know and not her parents. If I were Casey's mom, I'd demand to know just so that I wouldn't get stuck supporting my child's child.

[Gaia713]

i really really dont think that lee is the father nor is her father the father .. he is probably one of many one night stands she had and doesnt remember who it is .. i just dont see lee being into his sister that way Given her behavior since this, she is apparently more than willing to try to seduce anyone. Didn't LP say that she put the moves on Rob Dick? Why would she refrain from seducing ANYONE. If they are male, they are at risk around her jmos

[belleyes]

Neither do I.. I think this is just LP way of getting back on TV... I mean this family is definitely off... but thats just a little too off the wall

I know this appears waaayyy off the wall but actually it happens far more frequently than you realize. Most people dont advertise and volunteer the information. I have worked in "the system" and you would be surprised at how accurate and frequently the "talk show" scenarios happen. ( and i live in a small town)

[melissa311]

Honestly, I think something is definitely off about their lies about the father. This is a girl who thinks NOTHING of stealing from a friend, a grandparent and parents--all of whom knew she was the thief. Why in the world would she make a conscious decision to not collect child support? And, if the father "died in a car accident," why would this opportunist not collect the SS payments?

Cindy & George have defaulted on credit cards, Cindy was evicted from an apartment--these aren't people who live by strict moral standards. Who cares if the baby's father "doesn't care"--he is legally obligated to financially support his child.

Also, look at the willingness for Cindy to take time out of her harrowing "search" for Caylee to trot down to the AG's office to file a claim of identity theft?

I don't believe ONE THING any member of the Anthony family says.
I've been wondering that the whole time too...why she didn't go after any guy she thought might be the father to secure a steady stream of payments. I just think that's odd because her m.o. is to milk something for all it's worth.

[melissa311]

Reply to oceanblueeyes

I don't know though. It is awful convenient for the family to say that the man who died in a car crash is the father. That kind of wraps everything up in a neat and tidy bow - a lot easier to tell people then, "Well it could have been any one of a hundred guys."

Or they know who the dad is and don't want that information getting out. One or the other. I'm not inclined to believe anything the Anthony's say anymore so the stuff about the man who died in a car crash...don't buy it.

[Capri]

Globe article says Casey told RM that the father was a friend of Lee's named Brad/Brandon on vacation from Tennessee.

Here's the link:
http://viewer.zoho.com/docs/izbFg

[magic-cat]

Yeah, that is actually the first time I ever heard THAT name mentioned. I guess Lee could clear that one up for us, ie: does this friend exist???

Lee?

[California Dreamer]

There are myspace communications with him around the time she would have gotten preggers. I remember thinking who is he? I will go research now...

[future criminologist]

there is already a thread re: Caylee's paternity.

[Capri]

there is already a thread re: Caylee's paternity.

was he mentioned on the other thread? I thought I had heard all the potential daddy-candidates, but i hadn't heard this one that Ricardo said in the Globe article.

[California Dreamer]

Lot of communication from KC to Brandon here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67808&page=12

Here is his myspace link, set to private:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=21322230

[MD MOMMY]

was he mentioned on the other thread? I thought I had heard all the potential daddy-candidates, but i hadn't heard this one that Ricardo said in the Globe article.

I think all the who's the baby's daddy information is in one thread. May want to merge this with that one so it's all in one spot like with the MANY others LOL.:crazy:

[SuziQ]

There are lots of paternity threads. Can we combine a couple of them and not make more work for the mods?

[Bellaitalia0215]

........

[Ladytazz]

There are myspace communications with him around the time she would have gotten preggers. I remember thinking who is he? I will go research now...

She would have gotten pregnant around Nov 2004. I don't think she had myspace until around march 2005.

[SuziQ]

Please find a paternity thread and have them merged. Starting a thread just to get your own answer is not cool.

[magiemay]

I know that a lot of people think that Jesus was Caylee's father, and a lot of people think he is not. I remember reading that he died in a car accident on a mountain or something like that. I also remember reading in the 400 page documents that someone said that Casey mentioned something about going to where he died and that the person thought she may stash something there. Do you think that if Casey truly thought he was the father, may have disposed of Caylee's body at that location?
You know I have thought a lot about that and I said it could be possible. Maybe thats what the gas in the cans was for to have enough gas to get to where she was going without stopping to buy gas with a body in the trunk I don't know but I had thought that possible.And then there are a couple of other posts she had that made me think about this one was something about writing on a note and putting it where no one would ever look? Then the poem thing about people digging and they would sift through their dirt just all sort of strange .

[DagNasty]

I wrote a post about JO but I can't seem to find it, maybe I never hit post. Anyways, my question is this. I know that a lot of people think that he is the father and a lot of people think he is not. Where exactly did JO's accident occur? I keep thinking I read it was on a mountain or something. In the released documents someone said that Casey had talked about going out to where the accident occurred and that the person was thinking she might stash something there. If Casey truly believed that JO was Caylee's father, is it possible that she left Caylee's body somewhere around there?

Sorry about starting a new thread. Didn't think of putting it in the paternity thread. Deleted the previous post

[JBean]

I know that a lot of people think that Jesus was Caylee's father, and a lot of people think he is not. I remember reading that he died in a car accident on a mountain or something like that. I also remember reading in the 400 page documents that someone said that Casey mentioned something about going to where he died and that the person thought she may stash something there. Do you think that if Casey truly thought he was the father, may have disposed of Caylee's body at that location?

I wrote a post about JO but I can't seem to find it, maybe I never hit post. Anyways, my question is this. I know that a lot of people think that he is the father and a lot of people think he is not. Where exactly did JO's accident occur? I keep thinking I read it was on a mountain or something. In the released documents someone said that Casey had talked about going out to where the accident occurred and that the person was thinking she might stash something there. If Casey truly believed that JO was Caylee's father, is it possible that she left Caylee's body somewhere around there?
here it is

[Obsessed1]

I found this on a website (not sure I can say name on here) and found it interesting. Not to mention Post #125 from Gen'l Discussion #35 regarding a myspace message from KC to Lee regarding Caylee's 1st b'day party & how she is so awkward around her father. Made me stop & think! Here is the post from the other website:

Posted 09-06-08 06:46 PM Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by My2cents:

quote:
Originally posted by sadmom:
Hi first let me say as a mother who lost a 21 year old daughter 3 years ago, This whole case makes me sick to my stomach. She was not missing but one think I wanted was to be sure her final resting place was a place that is beautiful and special. I can also assure you she was there to welcome Caylee into heaven.

Now for the first year I was unable to get out of bed, I grieve everyday and will the rest of my life, so the actions and behavior of this mother shows me she is not only a very sick woman but very evil.

I also know a very high ranking retired LE officer from FLA who told me several things he was told:

Naturally they have more info. then they are releasing. They are building a very strong case and Casey will be arrest for murder.

1) Cindy Anthony lied from the beginning to give credit to Casey's story. She never heard Casey mention Zenda Gonzales before. She heard her speak of a nanny but no name. The Investigator are thinking Casey either overheard Zenda on the phone making an appt. to go see an apartment. Or found something with the information on it. They have spoken to this woman she has no idea who Casey or Caylee are. Also explains why a woman showed up at complex to see an apartment. The apartment complex
confirmed a hispanic woman did indeed look at an aprt.

2)There are records on any phone to or from any nanny/babysitter

3)It is true that DNA from the hair is Caylee's and eveidence does show that the father is a male related by blood to Casey, however it has no relevence in the case, because they do not feel he is at all involved in Caylee's disappearence.

4) an unamed person has told LE that CIndy had chloroform in a cabinet at her home. Did she
use it to clean the car after smelling dead body or was it used to kill Caylee they have not said. Could that have been hidden in George's car? Could be.


I apologize if this has already been discussed and hope I didn't post something I should not have! Kinda new here with the posting.

[TripleA]

I don't believe that for a sec. I think that the DNA matches the male Anthony's because GA is her Gpa and LA is her uncle. I think that there is a DNA matching confusion. I am now going to do some searching to try to confirm this answer. :)

[PotatoHead]

I'm probably an idiot, but I've never understood the importance of knowing who Caylee's biological father.

In theory I understand that if Caylee were to be found alive, that might impact future custody, but is there another legal reason that I am missing why this is important?

[jeepgirlva]

I don't believe that for a sec. I think that the DNA matches the male Anthony's because GA is her Gpa and LA is her uncle. I think that there is a DNA matching confusion. I am now going to do some searching to try to confirm this answer. :)
ITA i don't believe Lee or George are Caylee's father.

[Obsessed1]

ITA i don't believe Lee or George are Caylee's father.

Well, it would explain the mystery behind it, and I would think since KC was so desperate for money that she would be nailing the father to the wall for child support. Plus, her wanting to be drunk for her 1st b'day party and feeling awkward around her father, not wanting the baby to begin with & CA insisting she keep it. But, just like anything all these things could also be explained for some other reason. Not saying I believe it, just saying with this family anything is possible. I respect everyone's theories because this whole website is speculation except for the actual facts that are presented. These facts are then dissected and discussed with various opinions being brought forth. I think it's great---I am amazed at some of the things people on this site have observed or extracted from the facts presented!!

[Laece]

http://media.www.centralfloridafuture.com/media/storage/paper174/news/2007/05/21/News/Ucf-Student.Dies.In.Tragic.Car.Crash-2905719.shtml

okay...first of all, where can one locate his actual obituary?

second, am i the only one who didn't know SK was good friends with him?

and third, if he died on may 8, which i knew (cause i picked up on how caylee's b-day is in august and not in fact may) how did they have his viewing and burial on may 7 and 8???

anyone see this yet?

if this is old, feel free to delete, anyone. or i will and i'll start something else.

[doonerinohio]

:confused: it is rather odd to have a viewing and burial the day before you die...or am I reading this wrong?
oh...and I had a question...I remember somewhere waaaaaay at the beginning of all this...it was said that Caylees father (whomever he was) died on the way to her birthday party...but if no one knows who he is and he was never involved in her life...then why was he on the way to her birthday party? Have I gotten this all wrong and just horribly confuzzled?

[BondJamesBond]

...ok...so here's a looooooooooong shot. Anyone local know if there is a roadside memorial @ the site of the crash (Boardwalk Dr. & N. Alafaya Trail (434)?

[Nedthan Johns]

Cindy, the grandmother, stated that Caylee's biological father was killed in a car accident as verified by LE. Today in court, she stated she believe that Jesse Grund was Caylee's father and believed his family had been babysitting with Caylee at various times.

Who is Caylee's biological father? Why hasn't he stepped forward to claim his missing daughter, if he is still alive? Where did the story come from that her father died in a car accident?

Gee at this point after what we have learned about her, spin the wheel. Could be probably 20 or more men at this point.

[Laece]

iirc, casey said jo was the father and died in a car crash on his way to caylee's birthday party in...may.

caylee's bday's in august, the 9th i believe.

soooo...then lee said that's the story he knew too.

who knows.

[hpvdr]

JMO - Based on ALL of the lies that Casey seems to tell without much thought or effort I have a really hard time believing that she is telling the truth about Caylee's dad. She didn't tell her parents for 7 months that she was pregnant. Cindy admits that she thought Jesse was Caylee's father but isn't sure. I think that when she was going to produce Caylee's father at her birthday party but for only reasons that Casey knows she couldn't/wouldn't produce him and thus she fabricated the story of his death.
Given all the men who have stepped forward as to having sexual relationships with Casey I think there is a very good chance that Casey isn't sure who Caylee's dad is.
It would be interesting if all of the males that Casey might have intimately known at that time stepped forward for DNA testing - we might learn that Caylee's dad is alive and breathing.

[Lake Erie Princess]

The Ortiz (Jesus) family hired an atty. They were going to attempt to use stored DNA I believe to determine if Caylee was their Granddaughter. Was anything ever published regarding this matter ?

[EastSideOfSaddness]

The Ortiz (Jesus) family hired an atty. They were going to attempt to use stored DNA I believe to determine if Caylee was their Granddaughter. Was anything ever published regarding this matter ?

I remember reading one very small news article about this. I haven't seen anything else but that one snippet. I found it amazing that they still had access to his DNA. IIRC, wasn't it blood? I was so relieved when I read it.

[Darla]

There's a pic somewhere on here of Caylee and JP Chatt. She sure looks alot like him in that particular picture.

Oh, I forgot - she didn't know him back then. Now reading this thread I'm beginning to wonder if this Mark H guy is the father.

[kh1967]

The Ortiz (Jesus) family hired an atty. They were going to attempt to use stored DNA I believe to determine if Caylee was their Granddaughter. Was anything ever published regarding this matter ?

What I find interesting is....KC claims that JO died on his way to K's birthday party. JO died in May, long before K's birthday, so the b-day story of his death cant be true.

[the by and by]

I am not sure if this is right place to post this but here it goes. She seems to like the PD and it could possibly be one of them and maybe married, so she might not be as forthcoming in naming him by mutual agreement. She could have used him for favors or money to not name him. I feel she really does not know who her baby's daddy is but if it was someone with in PD, whom we know she has had more than one partner in the dept.,it could definitely cause some problems for them.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Who's the baby's daddy? Good luck figuring this one out.
like the city bicycle ...... everone's been on it and taken a ride.....sad..so sad.

[dcorrigano]

Who's the baby's daddy? Good luck figuring this one out.
like the city bicycle ...... everone's been on it and taken a ride.....sad..so sad.


I was going to say, they'd have to line up every man in Orlando or visited Orlando to find out...lol, but I like the way you worded it much better...roflmao...
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Rose Mom]

My sister has no fathers name on her son's birth certificate, yet she knows exactly who that is. I'm not sure of her reason but it is not uncommon.

[CiCi]

I am not sure if this is right place to post this but here it goes. She seems to like the PD and it could possibly be one of them and maybe married, so she might not be as forthcoming in naming him by mutual agreement. She could have used him for favors or money to not name him. I feel she really does not know who her baby's daddy is but if it was someone with in PD, whom we know she has had more than one partner in the dept.,it could definitely cause some problems for them.

This could also be true of several men that Casey was intimate with during that time period. It's quite possible she did know who it was, and quite possible that she was extorting money from several of them claiming that Caylee was their daughter. All we know is that she is a pathological liar and a thief, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[Mysterylover]

---JMO - Based on ALL of the lies that Casey seems to tell without much thought or effort I have a really hard time believing that she is telling the truth about Kayla's dad.

She didn't tell her parents for 7 months that she was pregnant.

Cindy admits that she thought Jesse was Kayla's father but isn't sure.

I think that when she was going to produce Kayla's father at her birthday party but for only reasons that Casey knows she couldn't/wouldn't produce him and thus she fabricated the story of his death.

Given all the men who have stepped forward as to having sexual relationships with Casey I think there is a very good chance that Casey isn't sure who Kayla's dad is.

It would be interesting if all of the males that Casey might have intimately known at that time stepped forward for DNA testing -
we might learn that Caylee's dad is alive and breathing....

How many could she "do" in a month, November '04 and where? She was living at home! Did the family have visitors during Thanksgiving?

How OLD was C when she got pregnant? Did she have a boyfriend during that time? Did C. date anyone or spend the night with anyone during November '04?

She has to remember All their names as close friends? IF NOT, what was going on? Why the secret?

The obvious secret has to be the father's name, a coward not willing to take responsibility for his actions or child, even now!. Why!

What was her age when her parents allowed her to begin dating?

Was she in school or working at that time?

Did she have her own car at that time?

[the by and by]

This could also be true of several men that Casey was intimate with during that time period. It's quite possible she did know who it was, and quite possible that she was extorting money from several of them claiming that Caylee was their daughter. All we know is that she is a pathological liar and a thief, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I do think you are on to something and agree with you considering the type of person she is proving to be.

[peanut]

IMO, I do not think KC knows who the father is. She is into money way too much to pass up the opportunity of child support, whether the person was married or not.

[Samijeansg]

My sister has no fathers name on her son's birth certificate, yet she knows exactly who that is. I'm not sure of her reason but it is not uncommon.

Yes I have had a couple friends that did the same. Probably because they were no longer with that person, but was having the baby and didn't want them to have ties to that child later on in life, visitations etc.

I don't really think she has a clue who Caylee's father is. She slept with so many recently I bet you she did the same before Caylee too. I'm sure if she put all the names in a hat it would be a toss up as to which one it is.

[momof6]

Not very mature or nice to spit out on a forum.
The generation these days have a very different approach to *dating* it's called *hooking up* meaning nothing serious at all ,just a few fun nights.
Casey is not any different than the millions of young people in America these days.
You call it a *Slut* ,some call it *sewing your Oates*
funny though because Men live this life style daily and are called *studs*

go figure!!!

[momof6]

I have 5 kids and my first son ,no fathers name on birth certificate ,why because it was a fling ,he wanted nothing to do with my child ,i did not need his money ,so that was my decision .Not really a big issue why she did not put it there,basically you do not have to if a single mother.

[concentric]

Sorry but I did not put the birth dad on my sons certificate...I had my reasons. 1) he was not going to be a part of his life as he already walked out. Why give him his last name????
I am glad that he has my last name. He knows he has a father and his name but he doesn't know him. And I would never put someones name on something as important as a birth certificate if they did not care one centilla about there own flesh and blood...They do not deserve it.


This brings up an interesting point: That the biological father and Casey decided it mutually agreeable not to reveal his name. He agreed with her that he did not want to be in Caylee's life; therefore, why defend his and his family's "rights."

I agree though, it may be important from an investigative standpoint, if, at some point his family decided to become involved--as this needs to be checked out.

[concentric]

Not very mature or nice to spit out on a forum.
The generation these days have a very different approach to *dating* it's called *hooking up* meaning nothing serious at all ,just a few fun nights.
Casey is not any different than the millions of young people in America these days.
You call it a *Slut* ,some call it *sewing your Oates*
funny though because Men live this life style daily and are called *studs*

go figure!!!

---------------
You are sooo right and I have mentioned this before:

The term "dating" does not mean that any longer.

[concentric]

If you are not married and the mother wants the father to be responsible, the hospital staff will give you a "Certificate of Parentage" in some states, for the father to sign.

I had my baby before I married the biological father and he signed this.

[Mysterylover]

I found this on a website (not sure I can say name on here) and found it interesting.
Not to mention Post #125 from Gen'l Discussion

#35 regarding a myspace message from KC to Lee regarding Kayla's 1st 'day party & how she is so awkward around her father.

Made me stop & think! Here is the post from the other website:

Posted 09-06-08 06:46 PM Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by My2cents:

quote:
Originally posted by sad-mom:
Hi first let me say as a mother who lost a 21 year old daughter 3 years ago, This whole case makes me sick to my stomach. She was not missing but one think I wanted was to be sure her final resting place was a place that is beautiful and special. I can also assure you she was there to welcome Kayla into heaven.

Now for the first year I was unable to get out of bed, I grieve everyday and will the rest of my life, so the actions and behavior of this mother shows me she is not only a very sick woman but very evil.

I also know a very high ranking retired LE officer from FLA who told me several things he was told:

Naturally they have more info. then they are releasing. They are building a very strong case and Casey will be arrest for murder.

1) Cindy Anthony lied from the beginning to give credit to Casey's story. She never heard Casey mention Zenda Gonzales before. She heard her speak of a nanny but no name. The Investigator are thinking Casey either overheard Zenda on the phone making an appt. to go see an apartment. Or found something with the information on it. They have spoken to this woman she has no idea who Casey or Kayla are. Also explains why a woman showed up at complex to see an apartment. The apartment complex
confirmed a hispanic woman did indeed look at an aprt.

2)There are records on any phone to or from any nanny/babysitter

3)It is true that DNA from the hair is Kayla's and evidence does show that the father is a male related by blood to Casey,


however it has no relevance in the case, because they do not feel he is at all involved in Kayla's disappearance....

4) an unamed person has told LE that CIndy had chloroform in a cabinet at her home. Did she
use it to clean the car after smelling dead body or was it used to kill Kayla they have not said. Could that have been hidden in George's car? Could be.


I apologize if this has already been discussed and hope I didn't post something I should not have! Kinda new here with the posting.....

Let's Think about it:

IF true, It could explain WHY she didn't want to keep the baby......and felt forced, in order to keep her mothers love and approval.

It could explain Why she denied having an 'intimate' relationship with anyone, maybe she didn't... Her parents should have known if she was dating in November.

Sadly, it could also explain why she possibly build-up resentment to being reminded each time she looked at the child of what happened to her,

" forced sex, rape or molestation, incest or plain sex", in her younger years??,

how many times it happened,

How long did it go on before she got pregnant?

All alone, being forced to carry on as if nothing traumatic happened to her and keep the SECRET, answer all the questions with lies just to keep this guy out of trouble or jail....a big burden for a young girl to carry alone...and possibly helped lead up to what happened.


Over the years we have all read about things happening in what we think are nice families, that are dark secrets no one ever talks about or stops...and those deeds do cause children to be self destructive or to live 'self destructive' lives.... just my thoughts, no facts.

[Sable]

I haven't read the majority of this thread, so forgive me if this has already been discussed.

I was thinking about the attached/detached earlobe discussion back when some WSers were trying to figure out who fathered Dannilyn (Anna Nicole's daughter). Link here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47711&highlight=earlobe

Maybe we can use this same idea to figure out who could or couldn't be Caylee's daddy?

Bring on the earlobe pics...

[Ladytazz]

Not very mature or nice to spit out on a forum.
The generation these days have a very different approach to *dating* it's called *hooking up* meaning nothing serious at all ,just a few fun nights.
Casey is not any different than the millions of young people in America these days.
You call it a *Slut* ,some call it *sewing your Oates*
funny though because Men live this life style daily and are called *studs*

go figure!!!

I'm sure it meant something to Caylee, who never knew a father.

[hpvdr]

How many could she "do" in a month and where?
How OLD was C when she got pregnant?
wouldn't she remember All their names as close friends? IF NOT, what was going on?
Was she in school at that time?
Did she have her own car at that time?
How many times a week did she date or go out at nights?.....

I was thinking based on Caylee's age/birthdate if there were guys who knew they had had sexual relationships with Casey 9 months prior to Caylee's birth these guys might want to be DNA tested to find out if they were her father. I would think that LE would offer these tests if it were pertinent to their case.

[Lady Loves Lurking]

Does anyone know if it is more difficult to receive benefits (EBT, WIC or TANNIFF) if your minor child does not have a father listed on Birth Cert.?

[halleyscomet]

I'm sure it meant something to Caylee, who never knew a father.

Exactly, when mother's decide to omit a child's father from the birth certificate, I wonder if they really think about the child wanting to know who their father is. Also, this is very important for medical background.

[lisalei321]

Exactly, when mother's decide to omit a child's father from the birth certificate, I wonder if they really think about the child wanting to know who their father is. Also, this is very important for medical background.


In Florida you can't name a father on the Birth Certificate if you are not married.

If you are not married, the "father" has to sign the BC and have his signature notorized at the hospital.

If that is not done at the hospital, then it must go through family court to have it legalized.

[HappyChic727]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

We all know that Jesus Ortiz died in an auto accident in May of 2007. He is not "white" but yet, when the 911 calls took place and Cindy and Casey were asked about Caylee, they both said that she was "white" - not mixed, 1/2 white, 1/2 Hispanic/Puerto Rican, whatever. So if Jesus was Caylee's father, then why would they say she was "white"? Is he just a convenient guy to pick as Caylee's father because he can't talk?

Lee Anthony and Casey are so much alike - they use the same terminology and laugh during a very serious time. I would be so distraught . . . and tired from looking for my niece, that I wouldn't have time or energy for such an interview.

[monoxide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

We all know that Jesus Ortiz died in an auto accident in May of 2007. He is not "white" but yet, when the 911 calls took place and Cindy and Casey were asked about Caylee, they both said that she was "white" - not mixed, 1/2 white, 1/2 Hispanic/Puerto Rican, whatever. So if Jesus was Caylee's father, then why would they say she was "white"? Is he just a convenient guy to pick as Caylee's father because he can't talk?

Lee Anthony and Casey are so much alike - they use the same terminology and laugh during a very serious time. I would be so distraught . . . and tired from looking for my niece, that I wouldn't have time or energy for such an interview.

I have no clue.......but white could be just referring to her color or not. For all we know Lee could be the father

[Inana]

I've said before--I don't think Casey has any idea who the bio father is. She hoped for Jesse, but DNA should that to be false. Other than him, it would probably take Maury Povich to figure it out.

I try not to be judgmental about these things, but I'm a genealogist, I study and research and document family trees, and when children are produced through random sex, it is not fair to the child to never know his/her people.

[Dr. Pennypacker]

I've said before--I don't think Casey has any idea who the bio father is. She hoped for Jesse, but DNA should that to be false. Other than him, it would probably take Maury Povich to figure it out.

I try not to be judgmental about these things, but I'm a genealogist, I study and research and document family trees, and when children are produced through random sex, it is not fair to the child to never know his/her people.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/nickagneta/MauryPovichPaternityTest.jpg

[concentric]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzqGiVK6_Dc

We all know that Jesus Ortiz died in an auto accident in May of 2007. He is not "white" but yet, when the 911 calls took place and Cindy and Casey were asked about Caylee, they both said that she was "white" - not mixed, 1/2 white, 1/2 Hispanic/Puerto Rican, whatever. So if Jesus was Caylee's father, then why would they say she was "white"? Is he just a convenient guy to pick as Caylee's father because he can't talk?

Lee Anthony and Casey are so much alike - they use the same terminology and laugh during a very serious time. I would be so distraught . . . and tired from looking for my niece, that I wouldn't have time or energy for such an interview.

Have you ever looked at criminal records, where the picture and name is clearly not anglo/white and they record their race as white? I'm :confused:

[JustMy2Cents]

I really think it's JP. Look at pics of him and Caylee side by side. They look like twins for crying out loud!!

[Lady Loves Lurking]

In Florida you can't name a father on the Birth Certificate if you are not married.

If you are not married, the "father" has to sign the BC and have his signature notorized at the hospital.

If that is not done at the hospital, then it must go through family court to have it legalized.


That's interesting.

[Devorahhh]

I really think it's JP. Look at pics of him and Caylee side by side. They look like twins for crying out loud!!

I thought KC did not even know JP when she became pregnant?
Also, I really think that we should leave JO and his family out of this. Yes he died in a car accident, but it was 3 months before Caylee's birthday and his family has been talked to and they do not know KC, the A's or of Caylee.
All this speculation is just messing up peoples lives.

[Devorahhh]

This could also be true of several men that Casey was intimate with during that time period. It's quite possible she did know who it was, and quite possible that she was extorting money from several of them claiming that Caylee was their daughter. All we know is that she is a pathological liar and a thief, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I saw a Law and Order CI episode on this kind of thing once.

[Annbelle]

If there is even a remote possiblity KC knows who Caylee's father is, she won't be coming out with it.
Her stupid stories and lies are absurd. She isnt a very smart con is she?
How convenient to use the identity of a deceased man.
Typical.
Consider the source and the rest of her baloney.
This man's grieving family has become another unfortunate member of the "mistruths"
in this nightmare.
I wonder what the tally is now.
Maybe her lawyer will need to start a fund for all the people she has damaged in her sordid web of lies.

[Devorahhh]

If there is even a remote possiblity KC knows who Caylee's father is, she won't be coming out with it.
Her stupid stories and lies are absurd. She isnt a very smart con is she?
How convenient to use the identity of a deceased man.
Typical.
Consider the source and the rest of her baloney.
This man's grieving family has become another unfortunate member of the "mistruths"
in this nightmare.
I wonder what the tally is now.
Maybe her lawyer will need to start a fund for all the people she has damaged in her sordid web of lies.

:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:
:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[belleyes]

Let's Think about it:

IF true, It could explain WHY she didn't want to keep the baby......and felt forced, in order to keep her mothers love and approval.

It could explain Why she denied having an 'intimate' relationship with anyone, maybe she didn't... Her parents should have known if she was dating in November.

Sadly, it could also explain why she possibly build-up resentment to being reminded each time she looked at the child of what happened to her,

" forced sex, rape or molestation, incest or plain sex", in her younger years??,

how many times it happened,

How long did it go on before she got pregnant?

All alone, being forced to carry on as if nothing traumatic happened to her and keep the SECRET, answer all the questions with lies just to keep this guy out of trouble or jail....a big burden for a young girl to carry alone...and possibly helped lead up to what happened.


Over the years we have all read about things happening in what we think are nice families, that are dark secrets no one ever talks about or stops...and those deeds do cause children to be self destructive or to live 'self destructive' lives.... just my thoughts, no facts.

ITA, it explains alot of KC's seemingly irrational behavior.
(not saying excuses--just explains)

[belleyes]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/nickagneta/maurypovichpaternitytest.jpg

love it ------:)

[maza]

I really think it's JP. Look at pics of him and Caylee side by side. They look like twins for crying out loud!!

Yes, they do, but then Casey and JP look like they could be twins as well (at least to me). I wish a picture of Casey at the age of 2 or 3 was available.

[Noway]

I thought that JPC had a DNA test done and was not the father. I also was confused about whether or not he had known Casey when she became pregnant (she had only met Ricardo and Amy within the last year or so). Can anyone confirm how long Casey has known JPC?

[Crafter]

I've said before--I don't think Casey has any idea who the bio father is. She hoped for Jesse, but DNA should that to be false. Other than him, it would probably take Maury Povich to figure it out.

I try not to be judgmental about these things, but I'm a genealogist, I study and research and document family trees, and when children are produced through random sex, it is not fair to the child to never know his/her people.
I feel the same way as I'm an amature genealogist, too. I have been thinking throughout this case that CA's other grandparents are probably watching this whole 'drama' thinking 'poor little girl' not even knowing it's their grandbaby they are talking about.

[Jodibug]

I do not think she knows who the father is.

[Mysterylover]

I've said before--I don't think Casey has any idea who the bio father is.

She hoped for Jesse, but DNA showed that to be false.

Other than him, it would probably take Maury Povich to figure it out.

I try not to be judgmental about these things, but I'm a genealogist, I study and research and document family trees,
and when children are produced through random sex, it is not fair to the child to never know his/her people........

I agree, It's very sad and unfair for a child to grow up not knowing their Bio father and grandparents.

[Mysterylover]

I think the father may be a player yet to be named.

Caylee had to be conceived somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
It would be fairly easy for her friends from that time to name a candidate.

If the donor was with Casey at that time, he is probably aware at this point that there is a good chance it was him. Central Fl is blanketed with coverage.

I would hope he would stand up, sue her for paternal rights, then sue her for the loss of his child.
I would also sue her for hiding the existance of Caylee to me.

In civil court she can be made to talk. She may lie but would at least answer questions where answers can be verified.

I don't think it will matter when the car DNA is all lined up. I think LE is doing a fine job.
They are not giving a play by play on Fox news though. It is coming together.
They say they are working 24/7 on this. That would not happen if there was nothing to work on.....

Bobby...You have made some good, common sense points. I agree the Bio-father could sue!

[Medusa]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/nickagneta/MauryPovichPaternityTest.jpg


Thanks! That is funny.

[4oneluv]

It was not JP that took the DNA test it was Jesse Grund who's parents paid for the DNA test, Jesse Grund's father even wrote a letter stating what happened.

[FIND'HER]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c361/nickagneta/maurypovichpaternitytest.jpg



how much for the maury home test??? Place and order for 500+

[FIND'HER]

IM Curious to know if FORENCIS HAS DETERMINED THE FATHER and they are not saying???

[TripleA]

What about this guy?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/hd_chickie/CayleeComparison.jpg

[Devorahhh]

What about this guy?

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e261/hd_chickie/CayleeComparison.jpg

Who dat?

[txmama]

I agree, It's very sad and unfair for a child to grow up not knowing their Bio father and grandparents.


I disagree, there are MILLIONS of adopted people in this world who don't know any of their biological family and most of us are perfectly fine and well adjusted.

I doubt she actually truly knows who the father is. The 'sad' part about that situation is that she obviously has some serious self-esteem issues to allow herself to be treated like a piece of meat. I would hope that whomever the father is, if he has the slightest inkling that he might be the father he'd come forward to LE and be a man about it. However, perhaps she does know who the father really is and left his name off of the birth certificate because she knew he would not own up to his responsibilities and felt 'why bother'.

I also firmly believe that LE is doing a fantastic job on this case and only allowing very select information to slip through on purpose. I believe that LE has a whole heck of a lot more information that we could ever imagine and they are very carefully playing their cards right in order to ensure that the case 'sticks' when they finally do charge her.

[misheley26]

Maybe they can find out who the father is through this testing (the info below is from a site LabCorp that does it but many do):
LabCorp also analyzes forensic cases where evidentiary items need to be connected to an individual for whom no reference sample is available. These may be the result of homicide where no body has been recovered, but where blood stains have been located at the crime scene. In these cases, LabCorp uses a reference sample from at least one parent to perform a reverse paternity test for purposes of linking identity.

[FootballMom]

Forgive a repeated post in case anyone else done this calculation/estimation - didn't see it and found it interesting:

Estimated Fertility Window: 11/10/04 - 11/20/04
Estimated Conception Date: 11/15/04
Estimated Gestational Age: 202 weeks, 2 days
Estimated Due Date: 8/9/05

[Dr. Pennypacker]

how much for the maury home test??? Place and order for 500+

he he he he:crazy:

[dolly]

we've all seen these side by sides of caylee and jp

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=494&pictureid=3705

what about these side by sides of caylee and jp

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=494&pictureid=3706

i think hes the one. and i feel so bad for him. for any dad who never knew he even had a kid and never got a chance to be part of her life. for her for never knowing him.

as an artist, i study facial structures in particular. starting at the top: caylee's root hair color is the same as jp's. her longer hair appears lighter for having more sun exposure for a longer period of time. her forehead and jps is the same. the eyes are a huge similarity. look at her left outer eye corner and then jp's back and forth, exactly the same. their eye shape and brow bone shape is the same. if you look at the anthony's the dad and casey have round eyes with upturned outer corners. caylee and jps nose shape is the same. their cheeks are the same. their jaw shape/line is the same. most telling of all, their lips, mouth. they have the same lipline. they have the same smirky closed mouth smile. for caylee to smile that way exactly like jp means to me that either that 3 year old spent a lot of time around him (and it doesnt sound like she has) or it is an inheirited trait. in the other set of photos, where they have their brows scrunched, they look extremely similar. caylee looks a little like cindy. other than that she looks nothing like the anthonys. she looks like a little carbon copy of jp.

[2old2bpc]

IM Curious to know if FORENCIS HAS DETERMINED THE FATHER and they are not saying???

I think LE knows, but they don't want to "go there" .

[Dr. Pennypacker]

I think LE knows, but they don't want to "go there" .

Oh my!!!

[swa]

I love how Casey says " I have an obituary on my computer " -- ok.. just because she kept an obituary that 100% beyond a doubt proves that guy is the fahter?

Does she not believe that people can check this kind of stuff out?

I guess the whole family doesn't believe in DNA testing?

[swa]

I've said before--I don't think Casey has any idea who the bio father is. She hoped for Jesse, but DNA should that to be false. Other than him, it would probably take Maury Povich to figure it out.

I try not to be judgmental about these things, but I'm a genealogist, I study and research and document family trees, and when children are produced through random sex, it is not fair to the child to never know his/her people.

If reports of her sexual activities over the past few months are true -- you may be right.

[diz39]

I am sure that there are many women who have differnt reasons for not listing a father's name on the birth certificate, but I think that the child is the one who suffers.
I do not wish to bore anyone with my own personal tales, but I have a LOSER sister who is similar to KC in a lot of respects, esp. the pathological lying. She had a child and would never tell anyone who the father was, and always said that she would just assure her son when he was older that families came in all kinds, and that he was loved and wanted.
Fast forward to when he was 12, and she wound up in jail again. I brought him to live with my family, and had to try to get some paperwork to enroll him in school. I obtained copies of his birth certificate and he was very anxious to see it. When he viewed his certificate, and he saw NOT INDICATED in the space for the father's name, he dissolved into tears, and said that he was never going to find out who his father was.
Nice, huh? That is the kind of thing, in my opinion, that is brain damaging for a kid.

[Nore]

I also think it is quite possible that Casey doesn't know who the father is. There could be a few different possibilities if she was sleeping around. That could explain why GM "believed" he was the father if Jesse and Casey were in a relationship but maybe eventually Casey came clean that he may not be.


Maybe she should go on Maury.
-----------------
Or draw straws maybe?

[mysteriew]

I don't think Casey knows who the father is. I come to that conclusion several ways.

First, due to the number of guys that Casey allegedly was intimate with and the overlapping time periods.

Second, if there was a known father I think we would have heard from him by now.

Third, if there was a known father I believe that Casey would have tried to capitalize on that before now. I mean a known father or grandparents would not only have been a possible source of income but also a possible set of babysitters.

But if there are too many possibilities it would be too embarrassing to DNA them all.

[amethyst221]

I can't tell anything from the photo pool. When I look at little Caylee, I just see a mini Cindy.

[SleuthinCa]

I am sure that there are many women who have differnt reasons for not listing a father's name on the birth certificate, but I think that the child is the one who suffers.
I do not wish to bore anyone with my own personal tales, but I have a LOSER sister who is similar to KC in a lot of respects, esp. the pathological lying. She had a child and would never tell anyone who the father was, and always said that she would just assure her son when he was older that families came in all kinds, and that he was loved and wanted.
Fast forward to when he was 12, and she wound up in jail again. I brought him to live with my family, and had to try to get some paperwork to enroll him in school. I obtained copies of his birth certificate and he was very anxious to see it. When he viewed his certificate, and he saw NOT INDICATED in the space for the father's name, he dissolved into tears, and said that he was never going to find out who his father was.
Nice, huh? That is the kind of thing, in my opinion, that is brain damaging for a kid.

If the father isn't present to sign the certificate you can't just put their name on it. At least not in my state.

[lisalei321]

I am sure that there are many women who have differnt reasons for not listing a father's name on the birth certificate, but I think that the child is the one who suffers.
I do not wish to bore anyone with my own personal tales, but I have a LOSER sister who is similar to KC in a lot of respects, esp. the pathological lying. She had a child and would never tell anyone who the father was, and always said that she would just assure her son when he was older that families came in all kinds, and that he was loved and wanted.
Fast forward to when he was 12, and she wound up in jail again. I brought him to live with my family, and had to try to get some paperwork to enroll him in school. I obtained copies of his birth certificate and he was very anxious to see it. When he viewed his certificate, and he saw NOT INDICATED in the space for the father's name, he dissolved into tears, and said that he was never going to find out who his father was.
Nice, huh? That is the kind of thing, in my opinion, that is brain damaging for a kid.

In the state of Florida, if you are not married, you cannot put the name of the father on the Birth Certificate if he is not present. He must sign the certificate and have his signature notorized.

NO Notorized Signature, NO fathers name.

[Devorahhh]

I don't think Casey knows who the father is. I come to that conclusion several ways.

First, due to the number of guys that Casey allegedly was intimate with and the overlapping time periods.

Second, if there was a known father I think we would have heard from him by now.

Third, if there was a known father I believe that Casey would have tried to capitalize on that before now. I mean a known father or grandparents would not only have been a possible source of income but also a possible set of babysitters.

But if there are too many possibilities it would be too embarrassing to DNA them all.

Shoot they do it on Maury all the time...................

[4truth]

I don't know if this was mentioned before, but as I look at the guys Casey dates I can't seem to tell a big difference in the way any of them look. They could all be bros. She seems to have a very specific type in men.

[NSC]

Sorry, I am a newbie to this site -- I tried to search for posts on this but didn't see anything -- so I apologize if this is a repeat.

Does anyone have any idea where the biological father is or who he is??? Wouldn't you think with this kind of press - someone out there would know they slept with this girl and when???

[Tuba]

:doh:Sorry, I am a newbie to this site -- I tried to search for posts on this but didn't see anything -- so I apologize if this is a repeat.

Does anyone have any idea where the biological father is or who he is??? Wouldn't you think with this kind of press - someone out there would know they slept with this girl and when???

Yes, NSC, I would think that. I don't believe any of the stories. Apparently, Casey told her parents that the father was married, lived out of state, had no interest in his offspring and died in a car wreck.

[Private Eye]

Who knows?

From what i read on here at least a dozen may get the blame!

[NSC]

:doh:

Yes, NSC, I would think that. I don't believe any of the stories. Apparently, Casey told her parents that the father was married, lived out of state, had no interest in his offspring and died in a car wreck.

That sounds like a typical sociopathic explanation -- my sister is a sociopath, and that sounds like one of her made up stories. A lot of times Sociopaths use half truths -- maybe he is married and lives out of state -- hence why not coming forward but highly unlikely to be dead.

[JBean]

HI NSC If you do a search of titles, and put in say biological or father, you would have come upon a thread for this topic. the reason we ask people to do this is because many sleuthers have posted a lot of information and by bumping an old thread, we don;t have to post the same work all over again.
I am going to merge this and if you need any help with searchng in the future..feel free to ask. and welcome :)

[lizzysf]

we've all seen these side by sides of caylee and jp

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=494&pictureid=3705

what about these side by sides of caylee and jp

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=494&pictureid=3706

i think hes the one. and i feel so bad for him. for any dad who never knew he even had a kid and never got a chance to be part of her life. for her for never knowing him.

as an artist, i study facial structures in particular. starting at the top: caylee's root hair color is the same as jp's. her longer hair appears lighter for having more sun exposure for a longer period of time. her forehead and jps is the same. the eyes are a huge similarity. look at her left outer eye corner and then jp's back and forth, exactly the same. their eye shape and brow bone shape is the same. if you look at the anthony's the dad and casey have round eyes with upturned outer corners. caylee and jps nose shape is the same. their cheeks are the same. their jaw shape/line is the same. most telling of all, their lips, mouth. they have the same lipline. they have the same smirky closed mouth smile. for caylee to smile that way exactly like jp means to me that either that 3 year old spent a lot of time around him (and it doesnt sound like she has) or it is an inheirited trait. in the other set of photos, where they have their brows scrunched, they look extremely similar. caylee looks a little like cindy. other than that she looks nothing like the anthonys. she looks like a little carbon copy of jp.

Wow...they do look alike!

[Laece]

I disagree, there are MILLIONS of adopted people in this world who don't know any of their biological family and most of us are perfectly fine and well adjusted.


i sincerely doubt that the person you are answering to meant any harm by their statement, or that people who don't know their biological family are maladjusted. caylee was not an adopted child, and that is a totally different situation than what happened in caylee's life.

i have no idea who i think her father is, but those pictures of jp and caylee with the squinting-eye kind of look....wow. just wow.

[JiannaBean]

In the state of Florida, if you are not married, you cannot put the name of the father on the Birth Certificate if he is not present. He must sign the certificate and have his signature notorized.

NO Notorized Signature, NO fathers name.

That's not true… I was not married to my daughters father and his name is on the birth certificate and he was not present I remember this because he went to my aunts to take a nap and I dealt with the paper work and health info on my own and he happen to walk in when I was signing the papers and he never signed

[Pondering Mind]

If the father isn't present to sign the certificate you can't just put their name on it. At least not in my state.

I don't know about Florida (I am in S.C.), but my son was in one hospital recovering from major surgery when his daughter was born in another. (due to pre-registration) They are not married and not only is his name on the birth certificate, my granddaughter has my sons last name too, which obviously is different than her moms. Who knows!

[SleuthinCa]

I don't know about Florida (I am in S.C.), but my son was in one hospital recovering from major surgery when his daughter was born in another. (due to pre-registration) They are not married and not only is his name on the birth certificate, my granddaughter has my sons last name too, which obviously is different than her moms. Who knows!

I'm in California and I was not with my daughter's bio-dad at the time of her birth. He wasn't present to sign the certificate, and I couldn't put his name on it without him present. He was given a year to sign it at the courthouse himself but he never did, so it's still blank 4 1/2 years later. It's making it much easier for my husband to adopt her, though!

[HRCODEPINK]

I'm in California and I was not with my daughter's bio-dad at the time of her birth. He wasn't present to sign the certificate, and I couldn't put his name on it without him present. He was given a year to sign it at the courthouse himself but he never did, so it's still blank 4 1/2 years later. It's making it much easier for my husband to adopt her, though!

In Virginia the father has to sign an Acknowledgment of Paternity and pay $10.00 to have their name added. The have the option for DNA test for $118.50 and have an unlimited amount of time to do it in, unless the mother petitions DCSE to get it for them and then they are taken into court to get it done and after the DNA comes back, he doesn't have to pay if it is not his and if it is he has no choice on the birth certificate and the state immediately takes them to court for support. The mother does not have to file for it, but if she doesn't want it she does have to cancel. If she gets public assistance, she has no choice and the state takes them to court for child support.

I think she has no clue who the baby's father was. Makes no sense she never went for support.

[shgrbkr]

So many possiblities. I never bought the dad-died-in-a-car-accident story. Cindy seems to buy it hook, line and sinker though. The guy's name was of hispanic nature, and while I haven't seen a photo of him, Caylee certainly doesn't look hispanic at all to me. I always thought the daddy died story was a way for Casey to garner sympathy and attention, plus she wouldn't have Cindy breathing down her neck about getting child support when she really didn't know who it was. IF, as LP has suggested, Lee is the father, again a great way to keep Cindy at bay with the car accident line.