Who Is Caylee's Biological Father?

[SeriouslySearching]

Cindy, the grandmother, stated that Caylee's biological father was killed in a car accident as verified by LE. Today in court, she stated she believe that Jesse Grund was Caylee's father and believed his family had been babysitting with Caylee at various times.

Who is Caylee's biological father? Why hasn't he stepped forward to claim his missing daughter, if he is still alive? Where did the story come from that her father died in a car accident?

[A.Wood]

Maybe the man who died thought that was his daughter but grandma thinks this Jesse person is the real father. The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised if there were lies about who the childs father is.

[January.]

I still suspect Casey may not know exactly who the father is herself. Not to repeat myself, but looking at her lifestyle and the number of guys she dated in a fairly short amount of time (also knowing the fact that she was staying at her ex's house while dating someone else) it just wouldn't surprise me if she's not 100% certain who the father is.

[ketel0ne]

In court Cindy stated she believes Jesse Grund is the father.

[Darlene733510]

If the guy who died in the car accident was Caylee's Father I would think she would be drawing SS benefits.
Since Caylee goes by the last name of Anthony I would guess that Casey probably does not know who the Father is.

[MistyGirl]

There is NO proof that Caylee's father died in a car accident. That was a LIE by CINDY clear stated to Media on televsion.

TODAY Cindy stated tha she beleived Jesse (Grund) to be Caylee's Bio Father.

Jesse is Casey's ex-fiance (this is stated on her myspace comments, they were engaged to be married.)

Jesse is also the person who spoke with Casey on June 24th or 25th and heard Casey tell Caylee to get off the table and heard Caylee in the background.

Jesse also was a Police Officer, as matter of fact he was going in to give his notice the day he spoke to Casey on the phone & heard her tell Caylee to get off the table and heard Caylee in the background.

Jesse is also the person who Casey todl she was free for the weekend to go to the beach because Casey was with the "nanny"

[nursebeeme]

in light of gma's testimony today at the bond hearing, jesse needs reinterviewed and asked to submit to paternity test... until then I do not know WHO I think the father is...due to all the lies.

Someone must never have read this family the kid's story about crying wolf!

[A.Wood]

So many lies its hard to keep up with it all. They could of easily said they didnt know who her father was but maybe lying is the norm.

I see a lot of Caylee in my ex family members kids. Probably why this whole case has struck me like it has because it all sounds so familiar.

[MistyM]

i think i heard on nancy grace that the only thing the LE believe from casey is that caylee's father IS dead.

maybe casey told jesse he was the dad, that's why they were getting married. and maybe that's why they broke up, because he found out he wasn't.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think that it is quite possible the father is Jesse Grund and the grandmother knew all along. The made up story about the car accident was to prevent people from talking to Jesse because they knew the story of the timeline would be a problem. I think this would qualify as another lie from Cindy Anthony in the press.

[saqqara]

The LE have stated they believe Casey's statement that the father is dead. They don't believe anything else she has said. . . they must have a reason for believing this is true.

What is strange though, is why would not his (the biological father's) family be involved. Or. . . all of you reading her myspace and her friends and family's myspace pages over the last few years was there any mention of this tragedy?

You would think your child's father dying in a traffic accident would be commented on by someone in one of those pages.

I recall people posting things as far back as 2006 and 2007 from myspace pages. Anything on condolences or this accident?

[saqqara]

Has anyone done a birth certificate search for Caylee? Was the father named? Is this something anyone on here can access? Not sure if it is something in the public domain.

[ketel0ne]

The LE have stated they believe Casey's statement that the father is dead. They don't believe anything else she has said. . . they must have a reason for believing this is true.

What is strange though, is why would not his (the biological father's) family be involved. Or. . . all of you reading her myspace and her friends and family's myspace pages over the last few years was there any mention of this tragedy?

You would think your child's father dying in a traffic accident would be commented on by someone in one of those pages.

I recall people posting things as far back as 2006 and 2007 from myspace pages. Anything on condolences or this accident?

Investigators believe the person that Casey told them was the father is dead.

[ketel0ne]

Has anyone done a birth certificate search for Caylee? Was the father named? Is this something anyone on here can access? Not sure if it is something in the public domain.

No father listed on birth certificate according to Cindy.

[BCMom]

In court Cindy stated she believes Jesse Grund is the father.

This isn't accurate, she said that she had believed that Jesse was the father, as in past tense. She did not say that she believes (as in right now) that Jesse is the father.

[Salem]

This isn't accurate, she said that she had believed that Jesse was the father, as in past tense. She did not say that she believes (as in right now) that Jesse is the father.

Right! And for this reason, I do not think Jesse is the dad. I think Gma found out Jesse is NOT the biodad.

Why would we care about the dad at this point? It does not appear that he or his family have ever been involved in Caylee's life. In fact, the dad and his family may not even know about Caylee. Or maybe they chose to ignore Caylee because of Casey. Maybe they did not approve of the relationship. It is really not that unusual for the dad or his family to turn their back on a young pregnant girl or the baby after it is born, especially if the dad did not have a long term or good relationship with the pregnant mom.

I understand why we want to know if it is Jesse, but if not, why would we want to track that down? Is it because there is speculation that the biodad might have Caylee?

Salem

[NewMom2003]

i think i heard on nancy grace that the only thing the LE believe from casey is that caylee's father IS dead.

maybe casey told jesse he was the dad, that's why they were getting married. and maybe that's why they broke up, because he found out he wasn't.


I heard that too last night on NG. It was stated that the only thing that LE believes from Casey is that Caylee's bio father is dead.

[olive]

I have to admit it surprises me that with all the speculation regarding who the father is that no one here has mentioned the possibility of Caylee being conceived from rape. A close friend of mine had a child relatively young from being date-raped while in college. To this day she tells people the biological father is dead. Her child has since been adopted by her husband, but when the child asks about the biological father, the mom tells her he is dead. She told me it is easier on the child to think their father is deceased than to know they were created out of rape.

My friend was also a partier in college...and was passed out cold when the rape occured. Not a far stretch of the imagination to think this could happen to Casey. It would also explain why she might hold resentment toward the child if that were the case.

[saqqara]

Olive may have a point. .. but even if this is the case, the reason we should care who the father is that you would think that in a missing child case paternity would want to be established.

Any and all people having a vested interest in this child would be intereviewed or concerned about her whereabouts.

My guess is that Jesse G. confirmed to the police he is not the child's father otherwise they would have identified him and no longer believe the dead father story. Jesse is an active participant in this given his change to the timeline, his role as fiance and his families role as past babysitters.

If one of my children and they are grown now was missing I would be in contact with EVERYONE who had anything to do with them, including biological fathers and step fathers and anyone who once cared or should have cared.

I think it's relevant. . . I also think that the LE believing the father is dead, effective rules out Jesse as they have had contact with him in various forms.

Soooo deductive reasoning if he is dead and this woman has had a myspace and facebook page for a few years why does no one ever mention his death? Did he not have family that perhaps woulld be interested in their dead son's child? Or were they not aware.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is quite telling that Jesse's mother has a baby photo of Caylee on her myspace page.

[Salem]

Olive may have a point. .. but even if this is the case, the reason we should care who the father is that you would think that in a missing child case paternity would want to be established.

Any and all people having a vested interest in this child would be intereviewed or concerned about her whereabouts.

My guess is that Jesse G. confirmed to the police he is not the child's father otherwise they would have identified him and no longer believe the dead father story. Jesse is an active participant in this given his change to the timeline, his role as fiance and his families role as past babysitters.

If one of my children and they are grown now was missing I would be in contact with EVERYONE who had anything to do with them, including biological fathers and step fathers and anyone who once cared or should have cared.

I think it's relevant. . . I also think that the LE believing the father is dead, effective rules out Jesse as they have had contact with him in various forms.

Soooo deductive reasoning if he is dead and this woman has had a myspace and facebook page for a few years why does no one ever mention his death? Did he not have family that perhaps woulld be interested in their dead son's child? Or were they not aware.

Thanks for the response Saqqara! I understand wanting to know about Jesse and agree with that. He is involved here, no question about it. And I agree about "any and all having an interest" I guess I just accepted that the biodad's family did not have an interest and has probably never seen Caylee. I have been known to jump to conclusions from time to time :crazy: The fact that biodad and his accident were never mentioned on Casey's myspace kind of led me to think along the lines of Olive's comments above or just that the biodad never told his parents, never acknowledged the baby, maybe never acknowledged Casey.

Salem

[Sword'sMan]

No, the mother stated that Jesse Grund was believed to be the father at the time of babysitting. She's not bright enough when she speaks to get things clear. The authorities seem to be believe that the father is dead and this is a "dead" issue. Sorry for the pun but it seems much to do about nothing in regards to finding Caylee. As mercenary and coniving as Casey is she would have put the screws to whoever was the father and that would be discovered in some sort of financial records.

[miss lisa]

No, the mother stated that Jesse Grund was believed to be the father at the time of babysitting. She's not bright enough when she speaks to get things clear. The authorities seem to be believe that the father is dead and this is a "dead" issue. Sorry for the pun but it seems much to do about nothing in regards to finding Caylee. As mercenary and coniving as Casey is she would have put the screws to whoever was the father and that would be discovered in some sort of financial records.

Welcome Sword'sMan! Please tell us more!

[jyram]

I also think it is quite possible that Casey doesn't know who the father is. There could be a few different possibilities if she was sleeping around. That could explain why GM "believed" he was the father if Jesse and Casey were in a relationship but maybe eventually Casey came clean that he may not be.


Maybe she should go on Maury.

[saqqara]

I agree with you Swordsman that its not Jesse, because the police would no longer be "believing" the "dead-father" story with Jesse at hand.

I personally still think it could be relevant. If only because if this man had family they would be very very interested in Caylee and could have been in contact with Casey, could have been horrified by how Caylee was raised, could have been desperate for contact with their sons prodigy. . . a million maybes.

However I am guessing that if the police believe he is dead, than they also know who he is, and who his family is and have ruled out all my million maybes.

[liltigress]

After she goes on Maury and is told "You are NOT the mother" ... Then I wanna take her on Jerry..

And NOT to get my Jerry beads...

I never thought of the possibility that Cindy may have made a financial transaction to the biological father to keep his mouth shut after Caylee's birth.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...it is an interesting angle. Hush money!

[believe09]

No, the mother stated that Jesse Grund was believed to be the father at the time of babysitting. She's not bright enough when she speaks to get things clear. The authorities seem to be believe that the father is dead and this is a "dead" issue. Sorry for the pun but it seems much to do about nothing in regards to finding Caylee. As mercenary and coniving as Casey is she would have put the screws to whoever was the father and that would be discovered in some sort of financial records.


Interesting post, SM and welcome to WS!!! On the contrary, I am of the opinion that GM would have been less interested in recouping some child support andmore interested in keeping her pretty grandaughter all to herself and her family members. It could be a win/win for Jesse in that he could still see his daughter without having to support her...

[BCMom]

First off, let me state that I live a pretty boring and non-dramatic life, lol. I grew up in a small town and live in a different small town now. With that being said, I personally know four women with grown children who have never named the father for various reasons. None of the reasons include rape or incest or hush money or whatever else. For the most part, a bad decision was made and the father was less than desirable or responsible so it was better that these women decided to "go it alone." I highly doubt that Casey's mother had to pay off anyone to keep them away from seeing the baby AND paying child support. I just don't buy it. Casey probably slept with a loser who was perfectly fine with staying out of the baby's life. As for Jesse being the father, his mother and sister both seem pretty passionate about Caylee. If there were a snowball's chance in hell that Caylee was Jesse's, don't you think they would have fought for that baby a long time ago? In my opinion, the father of Caylee is a non-issue. Too many drinks, too much sex....

[believe09]

Many good points, BC Mom-but some of the speculation is because if Caylee is alive, than what is the motivation for GM to be participating in the story that Casey has concocted? One of the potential reasons might be if there was a chance the custody of this child might be called into question...

[Blink34]

On Fox, they are teasing to reveal Caylee's father this morning, and unless it's a flub by Meghan, they are saying she has a brother??

[Blink34]

First off, let me state that I live a pretty boring and non-dramatic life, lol. I grew up in a small town and live in a different small town now. With that being said, I personally know four women with grown children who have never named the father for various reasons. None of the reasons include rape or incest or hush money or whatever else. For the most part, a bad decision was made and the father was less than desirable or responsible so it was better that these women decided to "go it alone." I highly doubt that Casey's mother had to pay off anyone to keep them away from seeing the baby AND paying child support. I just don't buy it. Casey probably slept with a loser who was perfectly fine with staying out of the baby's life. As for Jesse being the father, his mother and sister both seem pretty passionate about Caylee. If there were a snowball's chance in hell that Caylee was Jesse's, don't you think they would have fought for that baby a long time ago? In my opinion, the father of Caylee is a non-issue. Too many drinks, too much sex....

I can understand that about the Mom's you know, but I am highly suspect as to the "why" they have never named Caylee's Father and been more than evasive. Hopefully the Fox show this am will shed some light. I just feel strongly every avenue of this family should be investigated..

[NewMom2003]

On Fox, they are teasing to reveal Caylee's father this morning, and unless it's a flub by Meghan, they are saying she has a brother??

Wow, keep us updated Blink! Maybe they have uncovered who he is.

[Blink34]

Wow, keep us updated Blink! Maybe they have uncovered who he is.

sorry, no, it was a tease based on GP's commentsd he's dead, waste of time

[NewMom2003]

Thanks anyway. :blowkiss:

[maza]

maybe her brother, Lee? (caylee)

[Starr58]

I believe Jesse Grund is Caylee's Dad.

[olive]

There is much speculation that a Jesus Ortiz may be the father who Casey says died. He died in a car accident in 2007. Same high school. Same age. They have friends in common on myspace. Here is his myspace profile:
http://www.myspace.com/xxupononexx

Here is a graphic in Casey's myspace about saying "I (heart) Jesus Ortiz":
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/15/?action=view&current=Picture1.jpg

[Blink34]

There is also a friend that references Caylee coming home, I say it looks like him. Great job Olive. For reference sake, it also looks like he went by Jesse (sound familiar) and Emy.

[maconrich]

There is much speculation that a Jesus Ortiz may be the father who Casey says died. He died in a car accident in 2007. Same high school. Same age. They have friends in common on myspace. Here is his myspace profile:
http://www.myspace.com/xxupononexx

Here is a graphic in Casey's myspace about saying "I (heart) Jesus Ortiz":
http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/15/?action=view&current=Picture1.jpg

Maybe?

JESUS E ORTIZ MARQUE
08 Sep 1986
08 May 2007 (P)
32822 (Orlando, Orange, FL)
issued: Puerto Rico

info (ss# shown) at:
http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi (http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgiIf)

IF the link doesn't work: do advanced search for Ortiz, Jesus, FL

http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi


Here's a topix thread on the accident which fits with the date and the accident story:

http://www.topix.com/forum/state/fl/T25IT902R4H7K0SG2


And an article from the UCF paper detailing the accident and those involved:

http://media.www.centralfloridafuture.com/media/storage/paper174/news/2007/05/21/News/Ucf-Student.Dies.In.Tragic.Car.Crash-2905719.shtml

[dimples37398]

It looks like from court records that a olga marquez ortiz is jesus's mom. His dads name from the court records is a Jesus A Ortiz...

Still we don't know of course if that is the father of Caylee or not. His best friends name was linked in one of the news articles posted above. This Jesus seems like a great guy with a good head on his shoulders.

I have looked and don't see any Zenaida related to him so far. Also don't see any Fernandez or Gonzalez.....

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok I mentioned this before and I hope and pray none of you think i'm sounding racist or anything but I highly doubt Jesus is Caylees father. Look at him..look at her. First off she resembles nothing hispanic what so ever and he is very very hispanic looking. Does that make sense? I just don't see it at all not even one percent chance..but of course that's just me and my observations ...

[Patty G]

I believe Jesse Grund is Caylee's Dad.

I understand that Jesse took a paternity test and the results are he is not the father of Caylee.

[Patty G]

It looks like from court records that a olga marquez ortiz is jesus's mom. His dads name from the court records is a Jesus A Ortiz...

Still we don't know of course if that is the father of Caylee or not. His best friends name was linked in one of the news articles posted above. This Jesus seems like a great guy with a good head on his shoulders.

I have looked and don't see any Zenaida related to him so far. Also don't see any Fernandez or Gonzalez.....

Can you post the link to the court records!

[olive]

Ok I mentioned this before and I hope and pray none of you think i'm sounding racist or anything but I highly doubt Jesus is Caylees father. Look at him..look at her. First off she resembles nothing hispanic what so ever and he is very very hispanic looking. Does that make sense? I just don't see it at all not even one percent chance..but of course that's just me and my observations ...

I do not think this makes you sound racist at all, but I do think it is erronous.

Biracial children are born all the time only reflecting the coloring and traits of one parent. It is very common. My mother had an irish father with red hair and freckles and a native american mother with dark skin and black hair. My mom looks like her father- light, freckled skin and red hair.

[jodierenee]

My biological dad is Hispanic and my mom white, and I look completely 100% Caucasian. It just depends on how your genes are dealt. I personally believe Caylee looks like Jesus Oritz. They have the same eyes.


I do not think this makes you sound racist at all, but I do think it is erronous.

Biracial children are born all the time only reflecting the coloring and traits of one parent. It is very common. My mother had an irish father with red hair and freckles and a native american mother with dark skin and black hair. My mom looks like her father- light, freckled skin and red hair.

[Blink34]

Weighing in for the record I think Jesus is Caylee's bio Father. From my research, which I would not be comfortable posting here as he is deceased, also tells me that I do not believe Jesus ever knew that he was Caylee's Father, or only found out just before his death.

[Mygirlsadie]

Really? You guys think Jesus is her father? Nope not me..not one little bit. For Casey to name Jesus as Caylee's father was just way too convienant considering he is dead. OT but my hubby is hispanic and all 3 of our children took after him. I'm white as a ghost with blue eyes,dirty blonde hair none of my kids look like they even belong to me.

[liltigress]

I'm thinking Casey doesn't know who the father is, but possibly in her circle of party friends. The only way to get her mother off her back is to say, THIS is him, here's his obit.

[Blink34]

Really? You guys think Jesus is her father? Nope not me..not one little bit. For Casey to name Jesus as Caylee's father was just way too convienant considering he is dead. OT but my hubby is hispanic and all 3 of our children took after him. I'm white as a ghost with blue eyes,dirty blonde hair none of my kids look like they even belong to me.

I thought that in the beginning, but if you note my post I do not think that he may have known that when he was alive. I agree that it was by way of deduction that Casey figured it out when Jesse G proved she was not his. She was almost one year when J found out he was lied to and she told everyone he was his, I think it was known to a few close to her, imo.
I also am blonde and blue eyed with 2 kids that look like I am their "nanny". JMO

[marly56]

Ok I mentioned this before and I hope and pray none of you think i'm sounding racist or anything but I highly doubt Jesus is Caylees father. Look at him..look at her. First off she resembles nothing hispanic what so ever and he is very very hispanic looking. Does that make sense? I just don't see it at all not even one percent chance..but of course that's just me and my observations ...
i think he is the dad, if you look at caylee with her head tilted back she looks very much like him.and no you're not sounding racist for simply asking a legit question. go over some of caylees photos [other than the one on the missing posters] and maybe you will see a match.

[Mygirlsadie]

I would think the way Casey would do just about anything to get a dollar (besides actually get a job) that if Jesus was Caylee's father she would of been all over those social security benefits..Also I wanted to add that to me Caylee looks identical to Cindy. (grandma) All of this is just my opinion though!

[Blink34]

I would think the way Casey would do just about anything to get a dollar (besides actually get a job) that if Jesus was Caylee's father she would of been all over those social security benefits..Also I wanted to add that to me Caylee looks identical to Cindy. (grandma) All of this is just my opinion though!

She would have had to establish paternity or sue to establish paternity following his death for that. How much SS could he have had he was a kid?

[mom_of_five]

search Zenaida Ortiz and grandparent visitation...

[mom_of_five]

I've not seen anyone consider Morales as Caylee's father....do we know when he & Casey first met?

[Blink34]

search Zenaida Ortiz and grandparent visitation...


we reviewed that info early on, on some of the searches it says there is no connection. Her post is actually dated the day before Jesus died.
I do think that Jesus is Caylee's father, and from what I could tell, seemed like a good guy.. Post any links you think might help if I am off here.

[CarolineJ]

I do not believe that Jesus is Caylee's father. The article linked contained a lot of information to suggest that he was smart, educated and popular. I don't think Casey would have held any allure for him. He's a head and shoulders above her, socially.

[beadcat]

I was just wondering if anyone thought it strange that Caylee was apparently named after CAseY and LEE, her brother???

And does Casey seem the type who wouldn't put the father's name on a birth certificate? I think she either doesn't know who the father was OR that the father was someone close to her that she couldn't name. I just don't think that she would pass up an opportunity for child support since she obviously is opposed to getting a full time job unless there was a really good reason.

Didn't Lee live at the house also until this past Jan?

[KR2tonenow]

Agreed, this girl doesn't seem the type to omit this very important fact.

[Blink34]

I was just wondering if anyone thought it strange that Caylee was apparently named after CAseY and LEE, her brother???

And does Casey seem the type who wouldn't put the father's name on a birth certificate? I think she either doesn't know who the father was OR that the father was someone close to her that she couldn't name. I just don't think that she would pass up an opportunity for child support since she obviously is opposed to getting a full time job unless there was a really good reason.

Didn't Lee live at the house also until this past Jan?

I would offer the reason their is no name on the bc is because it was a one nighter, met another in the meantime, told him she was his, and 10 months later he did not believe her for whatever reason and had her tested to prove it. Respectfully, there is zero evidence pointing to her brother as Caylee's father.

[beadcat]

I would offer the reason their is no name on the bc is because it was a one nighter, met another in the meantime, told him she was his, and 10 months later he did not believe her for whatever reason and had her tested to prove it. Respectfully, there is zero evidence pointing to her brother as Caylee's father.

Yeah, you're right Blink. I thought this whole thread was speculation, thanks for respectfully straightening me out. So, where did you find the evidence on the DNA test you mentioned that was given 10 months or later?

Actually, I was just musing over Caylee's name. I can see naming your child after a favorite relative, but it was the combination of her name and his that struck me. Since Cindy was the first to hold Caylee maybe she named her as well... that was tongue in cheek, Blink :blowkiss:

[beadcat]

I agree with you MyGirl Sadie. Caylee does look like Cindy. And IMO Casey would take any amount of money available to her.

And Blink:
To establish paternity for survivor benefits his name would only have to have been on the birth certificate. There is a special rule that states benefits may be paid to children if the parent has worked for 1.5 years in the past 36 months. If a parent is under 24 they need only 3 work credits to qualify for benefits. So, it is possible that the purported father could have worked enough for benefits to kick in. If he wasn't on the BC, then you are correct they would have to establish paternity some other way.

[Mygirlsadie]

I thought the same thing..it's just my opinion but Jesus wouldn't give a person like Casey the time of day.




I do not believe that Jesus is Caylee's father. The article linked contained a lot of information to suggest that he was smart, educated and popular. I don't think Casey would have held any allure for him. He's a head and shoulders above her, socially.

[Blink34]

I thought the same thing..it's just my opinion but Jesus wouldn't give a person like Casey the time of day.

I would say you are assuming alot considering they were teenagers at the time. Obviously this is just my opinion but Casey (not that I like to say anything nice about her) was quite attractive, they have mutual friends on their myspaces and Casey has a I heart Jesus Ortiz in her pics..
Not suggesting they were in a relationship, just that he fathered baby Caylee possibly.

[Blink34]

I agree with you MyGirl Sadie. Caylee does look like Cindy. And IMO Casey would take any amount of money available to her.

And Blink:
To establish paternity for survivor benefits his name would only have to have been on the birth certificate. There is a special rule that states benefits may be paid to children if the parent has worked for 1.5 years in the past 36 months. If a parent is under 24 they need only 3 work credits to qualify for benefits. So, it is possible that the purported father could have worked enough for benefits to kick in. If he wasn't on the BC, then you are correct they would have to establish paternity some other way.


Thank you for the info in general, but I am aware of the "how to", I just know for a fact that Jesus name is NOT on Caylee's birth certificate. Hence why I have stated paternity would need to be established prior to that attempt at collection of his benefits.

[Blink34]

Yeah, you're right Blink. I thought this whole thread was speculation, thanks for respectfully straightening me out. So, where did you find the evidence on the DNA test you mentioned that was given 10 months or later?

Actually, I was just musing over Caylee's name. I can see naming your child after a favorite relative, but it was the combination of her name and his that struck me. Since Cindy was the first to hold Caylee maybe she named her as well... that was tongue in cheek, Blink :blowkiss:

LOL, point taken beadcat; it definately is speculation I guess for anyone but Casey (and then maybe even her..) I am just sensitive because of Tricia's warning last week. The DNA test info actually came directly from Jesse Grund's Father, Rev. Grund.

[beadcat]

Blink, I just joined yesterday and know nothing of Tricia's warning. It was my first post in any kind of forum, so I was over-sensitive also. I have tried to read back and catch up on the posts, but the amount of info you guys have on here is amazing! Much better than the news shows.

I don't really know what it matters about the birth father at this point, but it is just another mystery with this weird family. Could knowing help provide any clues? Maybe, maybe not, but that little face just haunts you and you so much want her to be found soon!

[icherish]

I'm guessing Caylee is likely the result of a casual sexual encounter. It's possible Casey didn't want anything else to do with him (one good reason not to name him on the birth certificate.) Or she had multiple partners and isn't sure who the father is. (another good reason)

In any case- it seems the cops are satisfied with whatever she told them about Caylee's paternity, as they don't seem concerned about his involvement.

[QuickAttack]

I think it's Jesse Grund. Either he's a father, or he's one of the very rare specimen of men who will engage in/continue a relationship with a woman who just had a baby by another man.

Not knocking men here...but Jesse is young, steeped in the cultlike religion stuff that his father espouses, and I just can't see him being so close to Casey for so long--almost the go-to guy for her--unless he has a connection to her: a baby.

[QuickAttack]

I was just wondering if anyone thought it strange that Caylee was apparently named after CAseY and LEE, her brother???

And does Casey seem the type who wouldn't put the father's name on a birth certificate? I think she either doesn't know who the father was OR that the father was someone close to her that she couldn't name. I just don't think that she would pass up an opportunity for child support since she obviously is opposed to getting a full time job unless there was a really good reason.

Didn't Lee live at the house also until this past Jan?

Had not even considered a "House of Yes" type relationship there. Ugggh.

[Blink34]

I think it's Jesse Grund. Either he's a father, or he's one of the very rare specimen of men who will engage in/continue a relationship with a woman who just had a baby by another man.

Not knocking men here...but Jesse is young, steeped in the cultlike religion stuff that his father espouses, and I just can't see him being so close to Casey for so long--almost the go-to guy for her--unless he has a connection to her: a baby.

DNA tests have excluded Jesse per his Father, Rev. Gund

[QuickAttack]

DNA tests have excluded Jesse per his Father, Rev. Gund

I had missed that. I don't know that the Rev is a trustworthy source, though.

Thanks for the info.

[Blink34]

I had missed that. I don't know that the Rev is a trustworthy source, though.

Thanks for the info.

LOL, understatement and I do agree.

[christine2448]

I've not seen anyone consider Morales as Caylee's father....do we know when he & Casey first met?

I'd like to see a pic of him and Caylee side by side...I think you maybe on to something.

[Aleve N Fla]

In looking at Jesse's fathers myspace I dont know if I would trust anything that he says. If he said a DNA test was taken I would love to say prove it to all of us. I still think that Jesse is the biological father, or why would he still be in contact with an ex-fiance that he said was a habitual liar? I know if my ex-fiance was a liar and a horrible person I wouldnt want anything to do with that person. Why remain friends with a person like that?

Food for thought..

[olive]

I know if my ex-fiance was a liar and a horrible person I wouldnt want anything to do with that person. Why remain friends with a person like that?

Food for thought..

Because he had grown to love Caylee.

[krimekat]

Jesse's family must have been thrilled last night when attorney Walsh said Jesse had "emotional problems" that was the reason he was dismissed from the police force. He said this on Dan Abrams & it was said in response to the host pointing to Jesse's statement to police that Casey is a habitual liar.

[CarolineJ]

I worked for the Social Security Administration for many years and I have literally established paternity on hundreds of children after the wage earner was deceased. We were supposed to approach the problem with a desire to pay the child. After all, it wasn't the child's fault that it was illegitimate. That's the government's position. We called them 216(h)(3) children because that's the section of the law that allows payment.

First, you have to find written acknowledgment and you have to stretch this definition. If the deceased wage earner ever claimed the child on his taxes - even if he never named her, just the number of dependents. If he ever sent her a birthday card and signed it Daddy. If he ever wrote his sister and told her that somebody was pregnant by him. He wouldn't have had to mention the name. You see, you can find written acknowledgment in a number of ways.

BUT, in order to even get this far you would have to have the father's social security number. To get this you would need ALL of these things:
Name at birth
Date of birth
Place of birth
Mother's maiden name

If you don't have all of those things, forget it. You will never find out the number from the Social Security Administration. All 4 things have to match, period. So, whatever, I doubt that Casey would have known anybody's mother's maiden name.

[LorinMarie]

Hi All :) I was thinking about being able to rule out potential fathers based on genetics mainly eye color as Caylee does not have Casey's eye color. I responded to a post in the general thread but this thread is more appropriate. Is there a post already or has it been outlined as to the eye color of each potential father? I have skimmed and did not see one but I have had a migraine all day so I really could not read each and every post right now. If someone can point me in the right direction it would be much appreciated!!

[Harry]

She is quoted in the article on the death of Jesus Ortiz. She was scheduled to see Casey Anthony in jail this week.

http://media.www.centralfloridafuture.com/media/storage/paper174/news/2007/05/21/News/Ucf-Student.Dies.In.Tragic.Car.Crash-2905719.shtml


Maybe he really is the father!

[Stander Verwoerd]

I worked for the Social Security Administration for many years and I have literally established paternity on hundreds of children after the wage earner was deceased. We were supposed to approach the problem with a desire to pay the child. After all, it wasn't the child's fault that it was illegitimate. That's the government's position. We called them 216(h)(3) children because that's the section of the law that allows payment.

First, you have to find written acknowledgment and you have to stretch this definition. If the deceased wage earner ever claimed the child on his taxes - even if he never named her, just the number of dependents. If he ever sent her a birthday card and signed it Daddy. If he ever wrote his sister and told her that somebody was pregnant by him. He wouldn't have had to mention the name. You see, you can find written acknowledgment in a number of ways.

BUT, in order to even get this far you would have to have the father's social security number. To get this you would need ALL of these things:
Name at birth
Date of birth
Place of birth
Mother's maiden name

If you don't have all of those things, forget it. You will never find out the number from the Social Security Administration. All 4 things have to match, period. So, whatever, I doubt that Casey would have known anybody's mother's maiden name.

This is interesting information, thanks. Personally and I'm not a mind reader or know it all but I think the Father has to be someone the family doesn't want anyone to know about. In other words, a married man the family knows or even a relative of some sort. It seems any time the subject is broached with Cindy, she gets tense and uptight about it. Why else would she freeze up unless the Father was someone like this. Just a thought.

[QuickAttack]

If Casey was honest with Tony, Jesus Ortiz is NOT the father.

Tony's friend "DJ" said that Casey told him that Caylee's father had a terrible accident on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

On Greta right now. Also, DJ states that the last time they saw Caylee was June 13.

[UCFAlumni2002]

Ok, if Caylee's dad died in an accideent on the way to her party last year, could it be possible that the dad's family MAY have known about her (i.e. through a will or something) and wanted to get custody and Casey finally just gave in and concocted this story? ( sorry about spelling!)

[Harry]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!

[olive]

If Casey was honest with Tony, Jesus Ortiz is NOT the father.

Tony's friend "DJ" said that Casey told him that Caylee's father had a terrible accident on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

On Greta right now. Also, DJ states that the last time they saw Caylee was June 13.

Cindy disputed that and said the father had never even met Caylee, much less tried to get to a birthday.

Another one of Casey's lies intended to get sympathy.

[Sleuthster]

Is this the Jesus Ortiz?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15753753

If it is, he states that he wants children someday. Makes me believe he didnt have any.

[Salem]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!

I agree! Why believe Casey now? Even if Cindy would not have come out and said it was not true. The very story is pure BS. She told Tony this because it made it sound like she had some type of good relationship with the guy and the guy was a nice guy who cared about his kid.

Caylee's dad probably does not even know he is a dad.

Salem

[christine2448]

JMO, fwiw. ;)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252

[Salem]

JMO, fwiw. ;)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68252

I think out of all the guys we are speculating about Ricardo Morales looks the most like Caylee. However, this emailer sounds like she/he is basing the statement that he is the dad on looks alone. We really should have more than that to go on.

Any chance you can ask how they know RM is the dad?

Salem

[curiositycat]

From another photo that I saw with all 4 guys it appears to me that Jesus looked the most like Caylee. That being said..this situation may be like a Maury Povich show. For what ever reason, and I am not going to go there, she just may not have known for sure which guy was the baby daddy.

[christine2448]

I think out of all the guys we are speculating about Ricardo Morales looks the most like Caylee. However, this emailer sounds like she/he is basing the statement that he is the dad on looks alone. We really should have more than that to go on.

Any chance you can ask how they know RM is the dad?

Salem

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?

[curiositycat]

Hi Quick Attack,
But I don't believe anything Casey would say...and it sounds a little romantic that the guy would happen to die on the way to a birthday party!
Ya Think???:rolleyes: LOL
Me thinks Ms. Casey is a drama queen extradoniare!!

[curiositycat]

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?
It's strange but for what ever reason, maybe the busy forum, this is the first time I have heard this.
My first inclination in the first three days was Amy took her to Puerto Rico.
Why Amy, can't tell you..it was just a feeling.

[Salem]

They don't Salem. That is why they contacted us...tried to get reggied, couldn't. Emailed me some info, said this makes sense..I was intrigued. They asked me if we could find out about the relationship...when it started..could Caylee be his??? This emailer thinks so, thinks R took Caylee to his family in PR...I don't know?? LOL!

Got me?

I wonder if LE knows where this RM is? You know, I can see how this person might think RM took her to PR.

If last time she was seen at Tony's apt was June 13th, then Casey and Caylee went to Gp's until June 16ish when there was some big blow out, who was caring for Caylee when Casey was at Fusion on June 20th? And the days and nights after the 20th until the June 22nd weekend?

Either Casey was using Zanny the drug or someone was really watching this baby. My thought is it was the drug, because no one has come forward to say they were watching Caylee during this time period. But the pictures show she was not with her mom. The only other way to look at it - is something happened to Caylee on the evening of June 16th. This doesn't seem to fit with the stolen gas time line.

I don't knooooooooooooow.......

Salem

[Salem]

It's strange but for what ever reason, maybe the busy forum, this is the first time I have heard this.
My first inclination in the first three days was Amy took her to Puerto Rico.
Why Amy, can't tell you..it was just a feeling.

I suppose I am getting off topic here, but I don't know how to quote between threads. Guess I need to figure that out.

Anyway.... if Amy did this, why is she not coming forward now? Also, LE has probably already checked this through the flight manifest and maybe even video. Even if the child does not need a ticket, they must be named on the manifest.

But see my response to Christine - I can see where this scenario would fit the timeline, etc. I just don't understand the reasoning.

Salem

[curiositycat]

No, I should have made that a lot clearer, sorry! I don't think Amy did it. I just had a vibe about Caylee being in Puerto Rico. When I heard about RM..it jarred my memory.

[mom_of_five]

Scenario: Casey, somewhere along the line, figures out/tells Ricardo he is Caylee’s father. Ricardo and Casey are together (she lived there and stated Ricardo was her ex-boyfriend). Casey brings Caylee to live with her and Ricardo. Something happens (perhaps Ricardo doesn’t like Casey’s partying ways, etc). Ricardo sends Caylee (perhaps via Amy) to Puerto Rico to live with his family.

Scenario 2: Ricardo discovers he is Caylee’s father (or at least suspects it), he introduces Casey to the nanny (who, coincidentally) lives right across the street from him. Ricardo bonds with Caylee over time. Casey mentions that Cindy (her mother) is too controlling and has threatened to take Caylee from her (Casey). Ricardo plans (and succeeds) in shuffling Caylee off to Puerto Rico to live with his family. Casey could or could not have known about the plan.

Keep in mind that Ricardo is an ex-cop, so he would certainly have connections. Could easily frame Casey if he’d planned things out enough in advance (the smell in the car, Caylee’s hair, smell in three spots in yard, etc). Would explain why Casey doesn’t trust LOCAL law enforcement and wants FBI involved instead. Would also explain why Casey didn’t call the LOCAL cops when Caylee went missing (and her lies when she WAS arrested). Zenaida could be a real person who has known Ricardo for quite some time (and is now in Puerto Rico with Caylee). And Casey could be telling the truth that she doesn’t know where Caylee is. If Casey believes Ricardo has sent Caylee away (with or without Casey’s permission), that would explain why Casey didn’t and doesn’t seem concerned about Caylee’s welfare (she trusts Ricardo in some manner).

Too similar to a Lifetime show? :waitasec:

[mom_of_five]

What kind of ‘friends’ would describe Casey as a ‘habitual liar’?


Also...

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[txsvicki]

I'll bet none of these guys are Caylee's dad. Casey would have been lying about them all over the place, collecting child support, social security, and mooching off their parents. If she even knows who the daddy is, she probably used the dead daddy excuse to get more sympathy and money from her own parents. That is, if any of it is even true. The real daddy could be in prison or something for all anyone knows. If the dead guy really is the dad, his parents or family should demand testing (if there's anything to test) and file a wrongful death suit against Casey someday.

[krimekat]

Scenario: Casey, somewhere along the line, figures out/tells Ricardo he is Caylee’s father. Ricardo and Casey are together (she lived there and stated Ricardo was her ex-boyfriend). Casey brings Caylee to live with her and Ricardo. Something happens (perhaps Ricardo doesn’t like Casey’s partying ways, etc). Ricardo sends Caylee (perhaps via Amy) to Puerto Rico to live with his family.

Scenario 2: Ricardo discovers he is Caylee’s father (or at least suspects it), he introduces Casey to the nanny (who, coincidentally) lives right across the street from him. Ricardo bonds with Caylee over time. Casey mentions that Cindy (her mother) is too controlling and has threatened to take Caylee from her (Casey). Ricardo plans (and succeeds) in shuffling Caylee off to Puerto Rico to live with his family. Casey could or could not have known about the plan.

Keep in mind that Ricardo is an ex-cop, so he would certainly have connections. Could easily frame Casey if he’d planned things out enough in advance (the smell in the car, Caylee’s hair, smell in three spots in yard, etc). Would explain why Casey doesn’t trust LOCAL law enforcement and wants FBI involved instead. Would also explain why Casey didn’t call the LOCAL cops when Caylee went missing (and her lies when she WAS arrested). Zenaida could be a real person who has known Ricardo for quite some time (and is now in Puerto Rico with Caylee). And Casey could be telling the truth that she doesn’t know where Caylee is. If Casey believes Ricardo has sent Caylee away (with or without Casey’s permission), that would explain why Casey didn’t and doesn’t seem concerned about Caylee’s welfare (she trusts Ricardo in some manner).

Too similar to a Lifetime show? :waitasec:

Wow!!! That did not cross my mind, but in contrast has anyone seen this http://www.mmdnewswire.com/missing-silah-children-3659.html? Talk about crazy!!!

[christine2448]

Wow!!! That did not cross my mind, but in contrast has anyone seen this http://www.mmdnewswire.com/missing-silah-children-3659.html? Talk about crazy!!!

K, krime, help me out....tired.:confused::crazy:

[SuziQ]

If Casey was honest with Tony, Jesus Ortiz is NOT the father.

Tony's friend "DJ" said that Casey told him that Caylee's father had a terrible accident on the way to Caylee's birthday party.

On Greta right now. Also, DJ states that the last time they saw Caylee was June 13.

Also, Padilla with the Orange County Sheriffs office stated yesterday, that Caylee's father died in a car accident in the Carolinas. Too many things point to Jesus not being the father.

[Blink34]

:blowkiss::blowkiss:Also, Padilla with the Orange County Sheriffs office stated yesterday, that Caylee's father died in a car accident in the Carolinas. Too many things point to Jesus not being the father.

Respectfully Suz, I disagree. Padilla had the state wrong, as the Anthony's were recently on a rant about Caylee going to the Carolina's.. Or he is a funny smartzz and it was a "f- you, we know what we know, say whatever you want..
Casy made 2 statements and Cindy 2, that the father dies in a car accident. There is evidence of Jesus' Mother, or a woman of the same name, asking cutody questions.. Hopefully Le will feel it relevant enough for a cross comparison so we know

[SuziQ]

:blowkiss::blowkiss:

Respectfully Suz, I disagree. Padilla had the state wrong, as the Anthony's were recently on a rant about Caylee going to the Carolina's.. Or he is a funny smartzz and it was a "f- you, we know what we know, say whatever you want..
Casy made 2 statements and Cindy 2, that the father dies in a car accident. There is evidence of Jesus' Mother, or a woman of the same name, asking cutody questions.. Hopefully Le will feel it relevant enough for a cross comparison so we know

Respectfully Blink, I'll go with LE on this one. :blowkiss:

[Blink34]

Respectfully Blink, I'll go with LE on this one. :blowkiss:

Im afraid my compulsive need for someone as smart as you to agree with me won't let you- I set out to bring proof- proof I say!!
LUV my SuziQ!!!:blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Cakegirl]

I just finished looking at JP's blog pics and I think Caylee resembles JP a lot. I thought that yesterday too when I was looking at Ricardo's pics.

Does anyone else see it?

http://web.mac.com/jpchatt/JP/Welcome.html

[winteryns]

If as Casey said that the baby's father died on the way to Caylee's birthday party it couldn't have been Jesus. He died in May and Caylee's birthday is in August. I can't see having a birthday party that early for a child.

[SusieClue]

I found a picture, I think, of the Jesus Ortiz on facebook - one of his friends is Caylee. It isn't a great shot, but I think you can tell that Caylee favors him. If you'd like to see it, pm me. I can't figure out how to post it here.

[SusieClue]

Also, here is the link to the article about his fatal car crash.

http://media.www.centralfloridafuture.com/media/storage/paper174/news/2007/05/21/News/Ucf-Student.Dies.In.Tragic.Car.Crash-2905719.shtml

[SusieClue]

If as Casey said that the baby's father died on the way to Caylee's birthday party it couldn't have been Jesus. He died in May and Caylee's birthday is in August. I can't see having a birthday party that early for a child.

It was cleared up on Greta that Cindy said, that was untrue. The father's fatal accident was NOT on Caylee's b-day and the father had never even met Caylee.

[zelmajane]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1489269839065369218WTmynK

Is this the father or is this her brother?

He's holding Caylee in the hospital.

[SusieClue]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1489269839065369218WTmynK

Is this the father or is this her brother?

He's holding Caylee in the hospital.

Looks like Jesse - who must have been her BF at the time. Jesse's Dad (on his myspace page, I believe it is) states that Caylee spent the first year of her life at their house.

[zelmajane]

Thank you Susie.

[CASuzk]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...65369218WTmynK
Acck, there is bit more of Casey than she should have been showing, photo #11...yikes

[SusieClue]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo...65369218WTmynK
Acck, there is bit more of Casey than she should have been showing, photo #11...yikes

:eek:Truly. A good reason never to get yourself into these kinds of situations - your whole life becomes internet fodder. I pray to God the pix of me in the hospital having my babies never hits the net! :yow:

[SusieClue]

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/1489268937065369218KKhMWc

If anyone has better techie gadgetry than I, maybe you can zoom in on this birth certificate to see if a father is listed...

[KaylynnCouture]

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not..but has anyone heard whether or not LE has looked into Jesus Ortizs family? He has a grandmother named Zenaida Gonzales but she goes by Zenaida Ortiz.

[SusieClue]

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not..but has anyone heard whether or not LE has looked into Jesus Ortizs family? He has a grandmother named Zenaida Gonzales but she goes by Zenaida Ortiz.

Are you serious??? That seems very significant to me. Especially since the son is dead, you could envision a scenario where the parents want the baby to "keep a piece of Jesus" . Can you share where you got this information? It sounds WAY too coincidental.

[curiositycat]

In the pictures above it looks like JG really believed at that time that this baby was his.

I have no respect for Casey to begin with, but to make someone think that a child is theirs, they bond with the child and then have their heart broken when they find out there is 0 chance of the child being there..That's just classless! imo

[SusieClue]

OK...here is something for ya'll to chew on for a bit...this is from Grettawire yesterday...a friend of mine there sent it to me because he knows of my interest in this case...

Comment by ♥ ♥ STELIA ♥ ♥
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 am
OMG, is the real story.

Casey makes a baby with one Jesus Ortiz. She likes the Ortiz family, especially Grandma Zenaida Ortiz also known as Zenaida Gonzalez. After the birth of Caylee, Casey secretly keeps up a relationship with Grandma Gonzalez /Ortiz. She doesn’t want her family to know because that hated Jesus and latinos in general. Zenaida over time is the so called nanny who is happy to take care of her grand child.

In early June Casey’s relationship with her mother continues to deteriorate. Casey threatens her mother that she will never see Caylee again.

When Cindy throws Casey and Caylee out of the house, Casey decides that she will show her mother up some how. She gives Caylee to Zanaida, telling Zanaida that Caylee is in danger from Cindy. Zanaida takes off to parts unknown. Casey can’t tell her mother or father what she did or that she has continued her relationship with Jesus Ortiz’s family. Casey now does not know where Caylee is, and Zanaida will never return the child because she feels that Cindy is a danger to Caylee. Casey also knows that Caylee is in good hands and is enjoying Cindy’s suffering. Casey knew that the apartment address because she took Zanaida there when Zanaida went to see the apartment. Casey has no interest in telling the police anything about Caylee. She just wants to get back at Cindy. Casey is not asking anyone to find Caylee, because Caylee is in the much more capable and loving hands than Cindy. After Cindy handed off Caylee to Zanaida, Casey went on a big shopping spree just to really **** her mother off even more

__________

GONZALES, ZENAIDA (Age 72)
names: GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA
aka:ORTIZ, ZENAIDA G

areas associated with:
ORLANDO, FL
BAYAMON, PR
BANYON GARDENS, PR

[tnajk]

Casey makes a baby with one Jesus Ortiz. She likes the Ortiz family, especially Grandma Zenaida Ortiz also known as Zenaida Gonzalez. After the birth of Caylee, Casey secretly keeps up a relationship with Grandma Gonzalez /Ortiz. She doesn’t want her family to know because that hated Jesus and latinos in general. Zenaida over time is the so called nanny who is happy to take care of her grand child.

In early June Casey’s relationship with her mother continues to deteriorate. Casey threatens her mother that she will never see Caylee again.

When Cindy throws Casey and Caylee out of the house, Casey decides that she will show her mother up some how. She gives Caylee to Zanaida, telling Zanaida that Caylee is in danger from Cindy. Zanaida takes off to parts unknown. Casey can’t tell her mother or father what she did or that she has continued her relationship with Jesus Ortiz’s family. Casey now does not know where Caylee is, and Zanaida will never return the child because she feels that Cindy is a danger to Caylee. Casey also knows that Caylee is in good hands and is enjoying Cindy’s suffering. Casey knew that the apartment address because she took Zanaida there when Zanaida went to see the apartment. Casey has no interest in telling the police anything about Caylee. She just wants to get back at Cindy. Casey is not asking anyone to find Caylee, because Caylee is in the much more capable and loving hands than Cindy. After Cindy handed off Caylee to Zanaida, Casey went on a big shopping spree just to really **** her mother off even more

Do you know how much I want this to be what happened?? One problem... the cadaver dogs picking up the scent of death. If it wasn't Caylee... then whose dead body was in the back yard and trunk of Casey's car?? :-(

[Blink34]

OK...here is something for ya'll to chew on for a bit...this is from Grettawire yesterday...a friend of mine there sent it to me because he knows of my interest in this case...

Comment by ♥ ♥ STELIA ♥ ♥
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 am
OMG, is the real story.

Casey makes a baby with one Jesus Ortiz. She likes the Ortiz family, especially Grandma Zenaida Ortiz also known as Zenaida Gonzalez. After the birth of Caylee, Casey secretly keeps up a relationship with Grandma Gonzalez /Ortiz. She doesn’t want her family to know because that hated Jesus and latinos in general. Zenaida over time is the so called nanny who is happy to take care of her grand child.

In early June Casey’s relationship with her mother continues to deteriorate. Casey threatens her mother that she will never see Caylee again.

When Cindy throws Casey and Caylee out of the house, Casey decides that she will show her mother up some how. She gives Caylee to Zanaida, telling Zanaida that Caylee is in danger from Cindy. Zanaida takes off to parts unknown. Casey can’t tell her mother or father what she did or that she has continued her relationship with Jesus Ortiz’s family. Casey now does not know where Caylee is, and Zanaida will never return the child because she feels that Cindy is a danger to Caylee. Casey also knows that Caylee is in good hands and is enjoying Cindy’s suffering. Casey knew that the apartment address because she took Zanaida there when Zanaida went to see the apartment. Casey has no interest in telling the police anything about Caylee. She just wants to get back at Cindy. Casey is not asking anyone to find Caylee, because Caylee is in the much more capable and loving hands than Cindy. After Cindy handed off Caylee to Zanaida, Casey went on a big shopping spree just to really **** her mother off even more

__________

GONZALES, ZENAIDA (Age 72)
names: GONZALEZ, ZENAIDA
aka:ORTIZ, ZENAIDA G

areas associated with:
ORLANDO, FL
BAYAMON, PR
BANYON GARDENS, PR

If you do a search for this info on your own, you will see this was already posted in the comments section of a different forum, it is not new, just fyi. There are also comments to refute this following this post..
FWIW, I believe that Jesus is Caylee's bio-dad, and there is some truth in the above comment, but I do NOT believe Caylee ever met the Ortiz family and I believe she is deceased.

[Blink34]

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not..but has anyone heard whether or not LE has looked into Jesus Ortizs family? He has a grandmother named Zenaida Gonzales but she goes by Zenaida Ortiz.

It has been and LE has that info.. but I do not think the name association is quite right. I think alot are basing that on public records searches and not aware of how that is compiled..

[Blink34]

In the pictures above it looks like JG really believed at that time that this baby was his.

I have no respect for Casey to begin with, but to make someone think that a child is theirs, they bond with the child and then have their heart broken when they find out there is 0 chance of the child being there..That's just classless! imo

OMG, your on my page, that was my first reaction.. I fear though, that JG has been manipulated once again by this girl, very recently, and I truly feel sorry for him, I hope that he does the right thing.

[curiositycat]

With all due respect..I don't think this family EVER had anything against hispanics. If you look at any of the family photo's their are a lot of hispanic's in them. These folks are GUILTY OF A LOT OF STUFF BUT PREJUDICE??? NOT THAT I CAN SEE.

[curiositycat]

OMG, your on my page, that was my first reaction.. I fear though, that JG has been manipulated once again by this girl, very recently, and I truly feel sorry for him, I hope that he does the right thing.
I hope so too. He seems like a great "step up to the plate" kind of guy that just fell in love with the wrong person. IMHO

[SusieClue]

If you do a search for this info on your own, you will see this was already posted in the comments section of a different forum, it is not new, just fyi. There are also comments to refute this following this post..
FWIW, I believe that Jesus is Caylee's bio-dad, and there is some truth in the above comment, but I do NOT believe Caylee ever met the Ortiz family and I believe she is deceased.

thanks for heads up...like others, I'm having a hard time keeping up...I'll try to search before posting next time!! I'm such the newbie.:crazy:

[olive]

If you do a search for this info on your own, you will see this was already posted in the comments section of a different forum, it is not new, just fyi. There are also comments to refute this following this post..
FWIW, I believe that Jesus is Caylee's bio-dad, and there is some truth in the above comment, but I do NOT believe Caylee ever met the Ortiz family and I believe she is deceased.

I know we discovered a Zenaida who is Jesus' mom. But is her maiden name really Gonzalez? I don't remember reading that. And if it is, even if Caylee has never met her, wouldn't that explain why Casey just happened to "borrow" her name? Maybe Casey has ill will toward that family for some reason?

[Blink34]

I know we discovered a Zenaida who is Jesus' mom. But is her maiden name really Gonzalez? I don't remember reading that. And if it is, even if Caylee has never met her, wouldn't that explain why Casey just happened to "borrow" her name? Maybe Casey has ill will toward that family for some reason?

The research I have done does not reflect Jesus's Mom name is Zenaida, fyi..

[Blink34]

thanks for heads up...like others, I'm having a hard time keeping up...I'll try to search before posting next time!! I'm such the newbie.:crazy:

I respect that!! We were all newbies once, I promise!! I hear ya on the keeping up, thread 45!!!!

[olive]

The research I have done does not reflect Jesus's Mom name is Zenaida, fyi..

wow! That makes my head ache just trying to trace where that connection (her name being Zenaida) orginally came from!

[MistyGirl]

Check this out:

http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html
Who Is Caylee's Father? FHP Report Could Help Determine


POSTED: 5:13 pm EDT August 4, 2008
UPDATED: 5:18 pm EDT August 4, 2008

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ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- By now you know Casey Anthony is Caylee's mother, but detectives want to know who the father is. It's a question Casey's own family can't answer, but there are some clues.

[Nedthan Johns]

well this will certainly help establish habitual lying. I can't believe the entire family has NO clue who the father is. As a mother, wouldn't Cindy, a best friend or someone close to Casey have a fricken clue?

[*~Aimee~*]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html

Who Is Caylee's Father? FHP Report Could Help Determine

POSTED: 5:13 pm EDT August 4, 2008
UPDATED: 5:18 pm EDT August 4, 2008


ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- By now you know Casey Anthony is Caylee's mother, but detectives want to know who the father is. It's a question Casey's own family can't answer, but there are some clues.


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VIDEO REPORT: FHP Report Could Help In Search For Caylee's Father
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Channel 9 has learned the Orange County Sheriff’s Office is interested in an FHP crash report that might be a clue as to who Caylee’s father actually is or may reveal another lie told by the little girl’s mother.

[olive]

There seems to be a very interesting clue on the Internet, as well. Jesus Ortiz's MySpace page is still online and a condolence message was left in the name of none other than Caylee Marie Anthony.

Above quote from the wftv.com site, hijacked from another thread.

I hadn't heard that part (about the condolence message). I think maybe they have their facts wrong- one of Casey's friends left a condolence comment, and her profile name now mentions "help find Caylee Marie Anthony". But I haven't seen any comment left by someone on behalf of Caylee. Correct me if I'm wrong and missed it.

[*~Aimee~*]

I never saw it either. I agree Olive.

[CASuzk]

Ugh, that poor family. I can't imagine the added grief they would have if it were true that Jesus was the child's father and they may now have lost the chance to ever know her.

[Patience]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html

Here is the link the info came from. Please, when quoting my post, include the link that I always provide so it can be clear that this is not my personal opinion but info taken from wftv.com. Tks.

olive (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=11615)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patience
There seems to be a very interesting clue on the Internet, as well. Jesus Ortiz's MySpace page is still online and a condolence message was left in the name of none other than Caylee Marie Anthony.

Above quote from the wftv.com site, hijacked from another thread.

I hadn't heard that part (about the condolence message). I think maybe they have their facts wrong- one of Casey's friends left a condolence comment, and her profile name now mentions "help find Caylee Marie Anthony". But I haven't seen any comment left by someone on behalf of Caylee. Correct me if I'm wrong and missed it.

[Amos]

Its SO hard to know what to believe at this point,,,,surely they know who the father is ,,,,, maybe she had something to do with the death of the father ?? just a thought!

[olive]

http://www.wftv.com/news/17091439/detail.html

Here is the link the info came from. Please, when quoting my post, include the link that I always provide so it can be clear that this is not my personal opinion but info taken from wftv.com. Tks.


Sorry, Patience, thought I clarified that with "Above quote from the wftv.com site".

Meant no harm

[FloridaKatz]

What's In A Name?

This thought has been bugging me for a while, and my husband and I discussed it after dinner yesterday eve, as we were watching the local Orlando news.

When new parents name a child, they will usually try to include in the child's name, a reference to a parent (i.e. I, II, III or Jr.), or will include the first name or middle name of the mother, father, or a grandparent, to honor or recognize that individual. Take a look at Caylee's name: "Cay" is for "Casey" the mom. "Lee" could be for "Lee" the uncle or "Lee" the dad. Could "Lee" the uncle also be "Lee" the dad ? I went back and looked at a posted photo of Lee (Casey's brother) holding Caylee right after she was born. To me, he did not have the look of a "proud uncle", but the look of being stunned. Also, this may be why no-one in Caley's family seems to know or want to admit who the actual father is. If George is actually Casey's step-father (which I still haven't seen that proven anywhere), but if he is, it would be possible that uncle Lee could be a step-brother. Alternatively, incest is not something that is unheard of. Taboo yes, unheard of, no.

Now I'm going back and trying to find that photo of Uncle Lee, so I can compare it to Caylee's photo to see if maybe there is a stronger resemblance than that of "just an uncle"....

[olive]

Welcome FloridaKatz! - you aren't the first one to suggest that, so please understand I'm responding in general to the suggestion and not targeting you.

But I find this scenario HIGHLY unlikely. There is no evidence to support it at all. I named my daughter after my best friend out of respect and love- and obviously my BF is not the father cause she's female.

So the Caylee name speculation is pretty far out there.

Sometimes I think we need to sit back and not get caught up in overdramatic speculation simply because it's sensational.

Again, this is not targeted at you FloridaKatz- ALL angles of a case need explored- but I'm just responding because this has been brought up way too many times (imo) needlessly b/c there is no evidence to support it.

[christine2448]

Meanwhile, investigators are trying to determine who the biological father of Caylee is. It was recently revealed that a University of Central Florida student who died on May 8, 2007, is a potential candidate; however both his family and Anthony's are denying the rumors. Yesterday, the medical examiner's office revealed that they still have a sample of the young man's blood, which could be used for a paternity test.


http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/08/investigators-h.html

[MomOfECS]

Just wondering, Has anyone searched the social security death index for the dads info?
i do not have a lot of time to spend reading so it is very hard for me to keep up with everything. Sorry if you guys have already done this.

[french75]

What's In A Name?

This thought has been bugging me for a while, and my husband and I discussed it after dinner yesterday eve, as we were watching the local Orlando news.

When new parents name a child, they will usually try to include in the child's name, a reference to a parent (i.e. I, II, III or Jr.), or will include the first name or middle name of the mother, father, or a grandparent, to honor or recognize that individual. Take a look at Caylee's name: "Cay" is for "Casey" the mom. "Lee" could be for "Lee" the uncle or "Lee" the dad. Could "Lee" the uncle also be "Lee" the dad ? I went back and looked at a posted photo of Lee (Casey's brother) holding Caylee right after she was born. To me, he did not have the look of a "proud uncle", but the look of being stunned. Also, this may be why no-one in Caley's family seems to know or want to admit who the actual father is. If George is actually Casey's step-father (which I still haven't seen that proven anywhere), but if he is, it would be possible that uncle Lee could be a step-brother. Alternatively, incest is not something that is unheard of. Taboo yes, unheard of, no.

Now I'm going back and trying to find that photo of Uncle Lee, so I can compare it to Caylee's photo to see if maybe there is a stronger resemblance than that of "just an uncle"....

By the same token, if he actually was the father (which I doubt), I would think that his name would not be included in hers for the very reason that no one wants to admit it. If the -lee has anything to do with him, it is probably out of the close (but not THAT close) relationship they shared.

There are many many many many people who have names that have no link to their parents or other family member's names.

[Patty G]

Patty G
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I not sure if the full name ever came out but it is:
Jesus E. Ortiz Marque
His Social Security card was issued in Puerto Rico
Born September 8, 1986
Died May 7, 2007
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[Busylady]

http://www.newcomernet.com/obituaries/obitsearch.asp?selected=4&ObitID=20113&EMSessionID=-1&Source=value

have been asked not post the obit with the parents names etc, so please dont copy from the link and post the obit on the thread. Thanks

[SusieClue]

So maybe I'm missing something here, but am I to glean from all of this that nobody can say definitively who Daddy is? I mean, I am hoping that LE is able to get it out of Cindy at least....because if she knows he's dead, clearly she knows who it is for CRIPES sake! This is the biggest bag of pathological LIARS I have ever heard of....well next to Scott and his mommy.
I have a picture of Jesus that I really think favors Caylee's baby pix...can't post but if you want to see, pm me. geesh

[Nedthan Johns]

yeah it's amazing isn't it. I mean just how many men did Casey know that died in an accident?

[cheko1]

yeah it's amazing isn't it. I mean just how many men did Casey know that died in an accident?

Lee stated today when asked by the reporter that the Dad was from out of state & he was young.

Well thats according to what Casey told him. But why wouldn't she try getting SS for Caylee if that is the case? That would of helped her get a decent education.

[SusieClue]

yeah it's amazing isn't it. I mean just how many men did Casey know that died in an accident?

bigger question? just how many men did she sleep with?????:waitasec::waitasec:

[cheko1]

We probably can't count that high!!! She was getting her money from someplace.

[murdershewrote]

I live in SoCal so I am around quite alot of Hispanic/Anglo kids...If Jesus Ortiz is her biodad, Caylee just doesn't look Hispanic to me at all, so I wonder if he really is the father.

[SusieClue]

We probably can't count that high!!! She was getting her money from someplace.

ok...then I'm going there...could she have been a high priced (or medium priced???)- call girl aka PROMO girl for club fusion or whatever? could other "employees" have been watching Caylee all those times when Cindy thought Zanny was watching her? Could the "porn dealer" (stretching here) that works into the speech reversal stuff have had a hand in Caylee's disappearance and Casey doesn't want to talk because it would expose her secret life????

Could the landing on the moon be untrue??? OH lord, I need a sedative...

anyway...just random thoughts.....

[Vegas Bride]

I'm thinking there are 3 different men who could be the father, Howard Stern, Larry Birkhead or that old guy who's married to ZaaZaa? :)

VB

[SusieClue]

I'm thinking there are 3 different men who could be the father, Howard Stern, Larry Birkhead or that old guy who's married to ZaaZaa? :)

VB
too funny.... !!

could be anyone in Orlando, alive or dead. Whoever he is, he obviously has been subjected to lies and more lies. the good news is, he fathered a pretty cute little girl...who we would all like to see be alive at the end of the day.

[Cakegirl]

When new parents name a child, they will usually try to include in the child's name, a reference to a parent (i.e. I, II, III or Jr.), or will include the first name or middle name of the mother, father, or a grandparent, to honor or recognize that individual. Take a look at Caylee's name: "Cay" is for "Casey" the mom. "Lee" could be for "Lee" the uncle or "Lee" the dad. Could "Lee" the uncle also be "Lee" the dad ? I went back and looked at a posted photo of Lee (Casey's brother) holding Caylee right after she was born. To me, he did not have the look of a "proud uncle", but the look of being stunned. Also, this may be why no-one in Caley's family seems to know or want to admit who the actual father is. If George is actually Casey's step-father (which I still haven't seen that proven anywhere), but if he is, it would be possible that uncle Lee could be a step-brother. Alternatively, incest is not something that is unheard of. Taboo yes, unheard of, no.

Now I'm going back and trying to find that photo of Uncle Lee, so I can compare it to Caylee's photo to see if maybe there is a stronger resemblance than that of "just an uncle"....

No, I totally don't think so. And I bolded & underlined the "s" in "parents" because Casey probably picked the name out herself (or with her moms help). I think Casey is close to Lee (as a big brother) and that's possibly why she named her Caylee. But Caylee was also a popular name almost 3 years ago, and it still is.

Btw, I named my son after my brother, they both have the same middle name. In NO way what-so-ever was that for any reason other than I love my little brother. ;)

[jdj8766]

What about the possibility of the child being the result of and affair Casey had with a married man?

The police could have cleared him and are not releasing his name to prevent the public scrutiny and embarrassment it would cause his family.

[Cakegirl]

What about the possibility of the child being the result of and affair Casey had with a married man?

The police could have cleared him and are not releasing his name to prevent the public scrutiny and embarrassment it would cause his family.

I could see that... but, I would think that LE would atleast say that they know who the father is (without releasing his details) and that they've ruled him out as a suspect, etc. If nothing else, just to shut people up about it. ;)

And I really feel bad for the Ortiz family, especially if Caylee is not his child. They've been through enough pain with losing their son... and now to deal with this -- and in such a public, agressive kind of way too. :(

[olive]

And I really feel bad for the Ortiz family, especially if Caylee is not his child. They've been through enough pain with losing their son... and now to deal with this -- and in such a public, agressive kind of way too. :(

I echo that. But no one really claims he is the father...just speculation based on the little info. that is out there. And, at least, if their son is going to be talked about in a public manner, it is all positive. Look no further than this forum for all the "Jesus is too smart for Casey" "looked like a great guy" "he would never have gone for her" "he's too good for her" sentiments echoed here. Where as when people viewed Casey's myspace, there were comments to the effect of "slut" and "skank" mentioned, Jesus's myspace revealed he was "smart" "driven" and "talented".

Could be worse, right?

[TravelingBug]

On Greta Cindy said that the dad was:

a "friend of Casey"

"lives (she was present tense at first I think) out of state"

"mutually agreed he would not be part of Casey's life" (Oh, yet Lee said earlier today that the dad and his family didn't know about her, didn't he? Oh yeah, yet didn't one of them, or a friend, also say Casey said he died driving to Caylee's birthday party?)

"started a family around the time Caylee was born" (did NOT say married I don't believe)

and died in an accident

[Cakegirl]

Could be worse, right?

true, true.

[Annette73]

I live in SoCal so I am around quite alot of Hispanic/Anglo kids...If Jesus Ortiz is her biodad, Caylee just doesn't look Hispanic to me at all, so I wonder if he really is the father.

Hispanics are a mix of different cultures and colors: black, native american, Spanish, Irish, Portugese. In south California you might find more indigenous looks as Hispanics in that area have more native Mexican indian genes in them and you might associate those looks with Hispanics. But go to any Hispanic country and you will find any kind of person. In Puerto Rico, for example, there are blacks, whites, tan colored, brown eyed, blue eyed, green eyed, blonde, brown haired Puerto Ricans, and maybe all in the same family!!! My husband, for example, is white with brown hair and eyes, his mom is blue eyed with ghost white skin. I have a dark colored friend who has a blonde, blue eyed baby! It's hard to say someone is "Hispanic looking" because there is really no such thing. I think I read Jesus Ortiz is from Puerto Rico and if that is the case, and just because of his looks, I just don't see why he cannot be Caylee's father.

[Vegas Bride]

I think Casey picked an obit to show her parents Caylee's father was dead because she wanted to shut them up about child support etc for her baby. It's possible Casey did not know for sure who the father was. Just another lie coming from Casey that her parents were willing to accept.

VB

[mom_of_five]

I noticed in the brand new pics posted in the photo thread that Caylee has on a military hat and, further down, Casey has a dog tag around her neck. Perhaps Caylee's dad is married AND in the military...which would explain why his paternity was kept secret (military adulterers can be kicked out). I'm from a huge military family so I know it happens. Thoughts?

[LuLu128]

Scenario: Casey, somewhere along the line, figures out/tells Ricardo he is Caylee’s father. Ricardo and Casey are together (she lived there and stated Ricardo was her ex-boyfriend). Casey brings Caylee to live with her and Ricardo. Something happens (perhaps Ricardo doesn’t like Casey’s partying ways, etc). Ricardo sends Caylee (perhaps via Amy) to Puerto Rico to live with his family.

Scenario 2: Ricardo discovers he is Caylee’s father (or at least suspects it), he introduces Casey to the nanny (who, coincidentally) lives right across the street from him. Ricardo bonds with Caylee over time. Casey mentions that Cindy (her mother) is too controlling and has threatened to take Caylee from her (Casey). Ricardo plans (and succeeds) in shuffling Caylee off to Puerto Rico to live with his family. Casey could or could not have known about the plan.

Keep in mind that Ricardo is an ex-cop, so he would certainly have connections. Could easily frame Casey if he’d planned things out enough in advance (the smell in the car, Caylee’s hair, smell in three spots in yard, etc). Would explain why Casey doesn’t trust LOCAL law enforcement and wants FBI involved instead. Would also explain why Casey didn’t call the LOCAL cops when Caylee went missing (and her lies when she WAS arrested). Zenaida could be a real person who has known Ricardo for quite some time (and is now in Puerto Rico with Caylee). And Casey could be telling the truth that she doesn’t know where Caylee is. If Casey believes Ricardo has sent Caylee away (with or without Casey’s permission), that would explain why Casey didn’t and doesn’t seem concerned about Caylee’s welfare (she trusts Ricardo in some manner).

Too similar to a Lifetime show? :waitasec:

I find this theory really interesting. It also coincides with Cindy Anthony stating that her daughter is lying but trying to lead the detectives in the general direction of finding her daughter. She even mentioned that her daughter may have brought them to the right area of where her daughter was left but maybe not the exact apartment. If Ricardo was across the street then that would make a lot of sense. It also fits into the guy that was released from jail that said that Casey told him as she passed by that Caylee was with an ex-boyfriend.

[Darlene733510]

I can't believe anything any of these people say. The A's want to protect their daughter at all costs.
Caylee must have another set of Grandparents somewhere.
Do they even know they have a Grandchild, and if not, why was it kept from them. Was it Casey's decision or her Mothers?

I want to believe this child is alive, but the only way I can do that is to think that maybe Cindy and Casey argued over Caylee, and Casey took her somewhere to punish her Mom by not telling her or LE where she is. I think Casey had a lot of friends who perhaps would do this for her.
Since Casey's arrrest and all the publicity, if someone has Casey, they may be afraid to come forward.
All the secrecy of the parents and the brother may be that they know where she is and want to bring Caylee home, but may be under scrutiny and know LE could arrest them as part of this conspiracy.

[Vegas Bride]

Is there a timeline to account for the entire day on Fathers Day? I'm thinking that if Casey did know who Caylees father was, she may have had her see him on that day, or at least called him. If possible imo Casey would have used this person for money/attention etc if she could.

VB

[websurfer]

She says that

her daughter and the father of Caylee made a decision that he would not be in the girl's upbringing or her life so?

Then she tells Greta that the father was out of state,he had started another family & that he and Casey made that mutual decision that he did not need to be in her life[Caylee's]

She also said again how the father was killed in an auto accident.
So that is that! Need we say no more?
or dare to question CRAZEY and Mrs. Anthony?

[Cakegirl]

She says that

her daughter and the father of Caylee made a decision that he would not be in the girl's upbringing or her life so?

Then she tells Greta that the father was out of state,he had started another family & that he and Casey made that mutual decision that he did not need to be in her life[Caylee's]

She also said again how the father was killed in an auto accident.
So that is that! Need we say no more?
or dare to question CRAZEY and Mrs. Anthony?

Yeah, she said the same thing lastnight on NG. It was odd, almost like she was reading off a que card or something -- or very memorized atleast. I think it's all BS.

[Salem]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17110771/detail.html

Ortiz maybe not the dad.

Salem

~snip~ "Miss Anthony never told the family Jesus was the father or that he might be the father. In fact, the family has never met her and does not know her," attorney Bryan Crews said. "If the child is indeed their grandchild and alive, that is all they have left of their son, Jesus Ortiz. They would like to get to know the child if she is indeed still alive."

This part of the article really hit home with me. I think it is incredibly mean to involve these people with no proof. Being the mother of an only son - I can so understand how these folks might feel right now. Elated because maybe, just maybe they have a grandchild. Very angry, because it appears that the mother may have taken the grandchild from them before they ever even knew she existed and then anger because they have to deal with all these conflicting emotions of hope, dread, confusion, anger, and HOPE. Hope dies so hard as we all know. Everyone of us is hoping by some miracle that Caylee is still alive, while our brains tell most of us that it is highly unlikely. Many of us are going to feel a very big sense of loss if our brains turn out to be right, and we don't even know this little girl.

I think Casey owes these folks some honesty and I think Casey's Attorney should get it to them quickly. If Jesus is not the father, she needs to speak up and be honest. If he is, she needs to be honest about that too. AND I think LE should do the paternity test ASAP with results before the end of this DAY! so that this family can at least escape the confusion and distress of not knowing!

Prayers to this family for this horrible situation they find themselves in.

Salem

[Vegas Bride]

I agree Salem, putting this poor dead man's family through this now is beyond cruel. It needs to be adressed asap so they have answers.

VB

[mom_of_five]

Can't believe I never made the Father's Day connection with Caylee's disappearance (other than it having been the last day she was seen). This detail would figure greatly into the theory that Caylee's real father (or his family) took her. Too bad no one seems to know whom that person is (other than Casey, of course)...

[TripleA]

Has anyone here looked into photos from the time of conception? Nov 2004? There are pics of her with so many guys.

[Muzikman]

WFTV just showed printed-out myspace pages from Jesus Ortiz's Myspace page, showing messages that Casey left him.

The Ortiz family may want to use DNA to see if he is actually the father, they haven't decided yet.

Casey sure did open a HUGE can of worms with this , ummm, epsiode.

[TripleA]

There is a link on the photo thread of her friend Amber's brother Jeremy. In his photos is a child aged photo of Amber which resembles Caylee a lot. And there is an old picture of Casey and the brother. And he is in the military. And in one of the other baby pics of Caylee she is at a hotel and wearing a camoflage hat. Also, he is married with two other children and is soon to be stationed in NC.

Now I am just going crazy with these connections, but stranger theories have been spoken. lol

[mom_of_five]

There is a link on the photo thread of her friend Amber's brother Jeremy. In his photos is a child aged photo of Amber which resembles Caylee a lot. And there is an old picture of Casey and the brother. And he is in the military. And in one of the other baby pics of Caylee she is at a hotel and wearing a camoflage hat. Also, he is married with two other children and is soon to be stationed in NC.

Now I am just going crazy with these connections, but stranger theories have been spoken. lol

ooooo...I've been researching the father link since the beginning...but THIS sounds intriguing. Can you get me a link so I can look at the pics? Thanks!

[TripleA]

Compare the pics of Amber and her brither as young kids with Caylee. And there is also a picture of Jeremy with Casey that was taken prior to 2006.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2449821&postcount=26


And here are the pics of Caylee in the Army hat.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2461303&postcount=30

[mom_of_five]

Compare the pics of Amber and her brither as young kids with Caylee. And there is also a picture of Jeremy with Casey that was taken prior to 2006.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2449821&postcount=26


And here are the pics of Caylee in the Army hat.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2461303&postcount=30


I have the pic of Cayl