Theories on what happened to Caylee

[Spangle]

IDK, my girls have been able to open them since they were two - as long as the pin wasn't in the top.

Same here. Some kids are not able to do/figure such things out. Some can.

With mine, even the pin at the top wouldn't promise to keep them in. Now that they are older, I realize it's because they are mechinicaly inclined.

[BondJamesBond]

I'm iffy on George's being at work. I know that is the expectation, but, haven't seen this explicitly in any statement. Would appreciate a link.

...further...George lists the address for Global Security Partners as his employer. I haven't heard what his job responsiblities were. Was he on a fixed schedule yet? Was he in a position to be mobile w/o causing suspicion? I haven't seen any information on George's location being fixed by another witness 7/15 after the car pick-up. He seems to vanish except for the intermittent calls to/from family members.

[Patty G]

Need help locating info on George’s new job and his changing schedule to bounce against the following theory. I vaguely recall a video interview in which he states he had to go to an afternoon meeting he had with his new job.
The only new job that I can remember for George is the one where he started working on July 15th, the same day this all went down.

Cindy states this in the bond hearing and couldn't remember the name of the place George was working.

[Patty G]

It doesn't take into account the Chloroform in the car? How did that get there and what was it used for?

Does anyone remember George stating there was "cleaning fluid" in the trunk of the car? There are some industrial cleaning solvents that use Methyl Chloroform?

http://oehha.ca.gov/air/chronic_rels/pdf/71556.pdf
See section III - Major Uses And Sources.

[UCFMommy]

IDK, my girls have been able to open them since they were two - as long as the pin wasn't in the top.

Yeah, my son's not quite two yet and he can open our sliders when the pin isn't in.

[BondJamesBond]

Not quite sure yet. Perhaps it was used by George as a spot remover in an attempt to clean things up.

I'm not completely up to speed on the timing of the chloroform searching on the PC, but, if the searches were 'bookended' by other searches it might be clear who was doing the searching (i.e. Facebook=>stain remover=>MySpace, would be Casey; Cooking=>stain remover=>AARP, would be George :))

...alternatively, it was reported that there was detergent/cleaner in the trunk of the car. If there were bleach in the detergent, as is often the case now, and it was used to clean the trunk, or even spilled in the trunk, it may have reacted with the post-mortem urination from the body also stored there http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/20233

I know the reports say something like 'elevated' chloroform levels. So this is a stretch explanation for now. Really need to know if we're talking 10% higher than background or 100% higher than background to see if this is plausible.

I'm not sure you can just go get chloroform off-the-shelf.

[BondJamesBond]

The only new job that I can remember for George is the one where he started working on July 15th, the same day this all went down.

Cindy states this in the bond hearing and couldn't remember the name of the place George was working.

IIRC he had an earlier meeting too. Perhaps the interview????

[JustInCase]

Alternatively, she may return home and doesn’t see George or Caylee and thinks they may have gone on an errand together. At 4:10PM she discovers Caylee and the flurry of calls begin.

Except, why would she call the GP's house # to reach them at home during that flurry of calls, if she was already at the house?

[Patty G]

IIRC he had an earlier meeting too. Perhaps the interview????

On July 15th or in June?

[BondJamesBond]

.....

[cjcord]

how do you not know where your spouse works?:S

[BondJamesBond]

Except, why would she call the GP's house # to reach them at home during that flurry of calls, if she was already at the house?

I think she's actually calling TO her Mom FROM the house phone. This has been confusing me too. Not 100% sure I'm reading it correctly.


3:03 PM, she calls her dad on his cell phone
4:10, she calls her mom at work
4:11, she calls her mom on her cell phone
4:13, she calls her mom on her cell phone
4:14, she calls her mom at work
4:19, she calls Tony Lazzaro (ph)
4:21, she calls Jesse Grund (ph)
4:24, mom on her cell
6:32, mom on home phone
6:33, voice-mail
7:06, mom home
7:20, she calls her friend, Amy

Wish I knew when Cindy got home 6/16.

[BondJamesBond]

On July 15th or in June?

Earlier than 7/15. Perhaps he was going to multiple interviews, or, had to go to orientation training or background check following a job offer. The reference wasn't specific. Darn it...wish I'd made a note of it :doh:

[RhondaIL]

We have a friend that works for a security company. They provide security for office complexes 24/7/365. He usually works 2 - 10, 3 - 11 or 4 - midnight. His days off often change during the summer with everyone wanting to get their vacation time in during nicer weather.

If the company George works for is similar to our friend's employer, Casey may have assumed George was off that day.

jmo

[Patty G]

Earlier than 7/15. Perhaps he was going to multiple interviews, or, had to go to orientation training or background check following a job offer. The reference wasn't specific. Darn it...wish I'd made a note of it :doh:


I'll try and search something out as I have always questioned the morning of June 16th, especially before 12:50 PM. There was never any elaboration of Caylee's being around in the morning except for the statement Cindy made about hearing them in the bedroom on that morning.

I figure Cindy starts her job at 8:00 AM because it's basically a "desk" position perhaps 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM.

And based on Clint stating Casey slept at Tony's on June 15th and left around 8:30 AM or so when Tony left for school, sure makes me wonder for a long, long time why no one talked about Caylee getting up, wanting breakfast, playing, going potty, having lunch with GA ... nothing!

Caylee just instantly appears at 12:50 PM with Casey ready to head out the door.

[Patty G]

Earlier than 7/15. Perhaps he was going to multiple interviews, or, had to go to orientation training or background check following a job offer. The reference wasn't specific. Darn it...wish I'd made a note of it :doh:


Did George say it at the bond hearing?

[Patty G]

how do you not know where your spouse works?:S

I thought the same exact thing when Cindy was being questioned by the state. It's like people live in the same house and don't have a clue about what the other one is doing.

[hannahsnana]

...alternatively, it was reported that there was detergent/cleaner in the trunk of the car. If there were bleach in the detergent, as is often the case now, and it was used to clean the trunk, or even spilled in the trunk, it may have reacted with the post-mortem urination from the body also stored there http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/20233

I know the reports say something like 'elevated' chloroform levels. So this is a stretch explanation for now. Really need to know if we're talking 10% higher than background or 100% higher than background to see if this is plausible.

I'm not sure you can just go get chloroform off-the-shelf.


Bond, I like your theory, but the urine/cleaner reaction doesn't explain the information about chloroform look-up on the computer.

[RhondaIL]

George's bond hearing testimony http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Baznme]

Does anyone remember George stating there was "cleaning fluid" in the trunk of the car? There are some industrial cleaning solvents that use Methyl Chloroform?

http://oehha.ca.gov/air/chronic_rels/pdf/71556.pdf
See section III - Major Uses And Sources.

That is true. I do remember that. Good observation.

[BondJamesBond]

Bond, I like your theory, but the urine/cleaner reaction doesn't explain the information about chloroform look-up on the computer.

I agree. I just dunno yet. I posted earlier, and I think Patty G did too, that it may have been the "cleaner" George referenced (sorry - don' t have that one handy). I just don' t have enough info yet to fully pixelate this thing...:banghead:

[RhondaIL]

Does anyone remember George stating there was "cleaning fluid" in the trunk of the car? There are some industrial cleaning solvents that use Methyl Chloroform?

http://oehha.ca.gov/air/chronic_rels/pdf/71556.pdf
See section III - Major Uses And Sources.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17102415/detail.html
"You need to put some pizza, pizza box, an Arm and Hammer laundry detergent container, put it in a bag, a kitchen bag about 18 inches tall.

video with George about how to do the pizza test: http://www.wftv.com/video/17103057/index.html

[Short_Stuff]

Bond- George said he saw Casey and Caylee leave the day after Fathers Day with their backpacks, so no I dont think Caylee was still there with George.
And I doubt she drowned by "accident". She would have called 911. Caylees death had to be in a way that Casey would get in trouble if she reported it, such as murder or leaving her in the car.
Pool drownings, (or falling off a porch) IMO all would have been reported as accidents.

[tttterri]

George and Cindy are the ones that told Greta that Casey and Caylee left that morning before he went to work. I have wondered about him actually having a job at that time. The chloroform was reported as high level, and also as traces, so I am not sure what they are referring to. Level makes me think of a gas. Chloroform evaporates and George and Cindy aired that car for almost 2 days before its removal to the LE bay.

[Patty G]

...alternatively, it was reported that there was detergent/cleaner in the trunk of the car. If there were bleach in the detergent, as is often the case now, and it was used to clean the trunk, or even spilled in the trunk,

I would think that if "bleach" was one of the components within this solvent, and used to clean the trunk, it would lighten up the area that was cleaned because of the bleach.

[tttterri]

We all know Cindy is going to say she looked up chloroform on the laptop. She always referred to it as HER laptop. It is possible that Casey carried it around but I havent found that written anywhere. Im not sure what kind of work she is doing now, I think some type of manager, but in my experience with case managers, home health, ect,,they bring their laptops right along with them.

[Patty G]

Earlier than 7/15. Perhaps he was going to multiple interviews, or, had to go to orientation training or background check following a job offer. The reference wasn't specific. Darn it...wish I'd made a note of it :doh:

It's in the bond hearing about George going to a meeting on July 15th.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Retract the above as Geroge said Wednesday, so this meeting had to be July 16th.

[BondJamesBond]

I'll try and search something out as I have always questioned the morning of June 16th, especially before 12:50 PM. There was never any elaboration of Caylee's being around in the morning except for the statement Cindy made about hearing them in the bedroom on that morning.

I figure Cindy starts her job at 8:00 AM because it's basically a "desk" position perhaps 8:00 AM to 5:00 PM.

And based on Clint stating Casey slept at Tony's on June 15th and left around 8:30 AM or so when Tony left for school, sure makes me wonder for a long, long time why no one talked about Caylee getting up, wanting breakfast, playing, going potty, having lunch with GA ... nothing!

Caylee just instantly appears at 12:50 PM with Casey ready to head out the door.

I'm w/ you here, Patty and appreciate the thoughts. Digging into Clint's interview though, it seems that Casey may have left Tony's earlier or later Monday morning than Clint did since he couldn't recall seeing her leave @ the time he did. IMHO...Casey went back to George & Cindy's sometime Monday morning, 6/16, picked up Caylee and ran some errands etc., then brought her back to George & Cindy's in time for nap and escape to Tony's on her own.

IT'S CONFUSING BECAUSE GRETA SLIPS THE DATE BY A DAY :doh: but here it is:

VAN SUSTEREN: So let's go to this arbitrary June 15 I picked, that Saturday before Father's Day. The next day is Father's Day. Do you remember Father's Day?
HOUSE: Yes, but I was up in Jacksonville.
VAN SUSTEREN: With your own father.
HOUSE: With my own father. Yes, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did you talk to Tony or Casey and know where they are?
HOUSE: No, I was too busy hanging out with my dad and...
VAN SUSTEREN: When did you return from Jacksonville?
HOUSE: On Sunday, the 16th.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember if Sunday night, Casey was there?
HOUSE: I believe so, yes, she was there. Caylee wasn't there. You know, like I said, I was still staying there up until July 1. It's really kind of hard to put a number on the times that she was there, but she was there a lot.

Then just a little later in the same interview...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So fast-forward again to Father's Day, June 15. You returned later that day. You think Casey spent the night there, that Sunday night. Do you remember waking up that next day, the day after Father's Day?
HOUSE: Yes, Monday for class.
VAN SUSTEREN: Do you remember seeing Caylee?
HOUSE: No, Caylee was not -- like I said, Caylee never spent the night over there, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: How about Casey? Was Casey there that morning, if you remember?
HOUSE: I can't recall.

[tttterri]

I wonder why it was ok to Casey to have Caylee overnight at Ricardos and sleeping in the same bed, but when it came to Tony's apt, no such happening? Odd.

[BondJamesBond]

I would think that if "bleach" was one of the components within this solvent, and used to clean the trunk, it would lighten up the area that was cleaned because of the bleach.

Was thinking maybe A&H w/ Colorsafe bleach e.g. http://www.greatcleaners.com/ahpowderdetergent.html

...I'm sure this point has its own thread.

Back to the key point...

I've just been going nuts trying to establish the timeline for care of Casey that doesn't involve a sitter. The family used the 6/9+/- date on their statements originally. Then the story about reappearing for Father's Day and the evidence of visits w/ Cindy's parents shifted the focus to the week of 6/16 and away from the week of 6/9 (understandably). While the shift all seemed innocent enough originally. I think it is key to understand what pattern of care for Caylee emerged the week of 6/9. IF Caylee was still staying nights @ George & Cindy's up until 6/16, because of Clint's account of Casey staying nights @ Tony's w/o Caylee, then, the selection of 6/9 by the family in statements seems - all too conveniently - to intentional shift focus away from the fight we later learned about that occurred on 6/15.

After Casey had the fight w/ Cindy (and George) 6/15, it seems reasonable that she would avoid Cindy Monday morning, 6/16, and go back to the house later than Cindy leaves for work. This would explain why Clint didn't see her leave (e.g. later than him). To pick-up some clothes without confronting George. Perhaps she snuck in through the gate & sun porch and left things unlocked so she could get in again if needed. Since she didn't want to "see" George she assumed he was there and snuck back out again when she left for Tony's for the night This gives the same unattended-Caylee-accident situation.

George's account of seeing them 6/16 just doesn't wash. At the point he gave it, he was trying to support the ZFG/kidnapping and provide a story that had Caylee LEAVING the house in Casey's care on the way to the babysitters.

[BondJamesBond]

It's in the bond hearing about George going to a meeting on July 15th.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7038761&version=1&locale=EN-US

Retract the above as Geroge said Wednesday, so this meeting had to be July 16th.

That's the reference I was looking for, PattyG. Thanks!!

So....I wonder what George's days were consumed with the weeks of:

6/9 Mr. Mom for Caylee
6/16 Looking for work??
6/23 Looking for work??
6/30 Looking for work??
7/7 Looking for work??
7/14 Begins work

[ibyoungr]

IDK, my girls have been able to open them since they were two - as long as the pin wasn't in the top.

Mine is 3 and she is quite tall for her age. She can not open ours. I think it might depend on how easy the door slides.

[s1rebecca]

On the Greta interview I thought GA said on the last day he saw them they were leaving at 150 he knew because he was watching a cooking show he always watched before he went to work. I will try to find the link.

[BondJamesBond]

On the Greta interview I thought GA said on the last day he saw them they were leaving at 150 he knew because he was watching a cooking show he always watched before he went to work. I will try to find the link.

GA says 12:50PM.

I'm challenging George's statement. I suggest he saw:

a) Casey arriving (vs. leaving), and, shortly after, Casey leaving thinking that Caylee was with her (she only picked up clothes)

b) Casey arriving (vs. leaving), and Casey left w/o his knowing

...then, George leaves not realizing Caylee is still there.

The end result is Caylee being left @ home alone.

Caylee likely spent night 6/15 @ George & Cindy's home while Casey stayed @ Tony's (Clint's account on Greta) after the fight between Casey and her parents 6/15.

...hafta start from the beginning of the thread to get to these options. I'm liking (a) at the moment. She picked up clothes and left Caylee napping expecting George to be there when she awoke as was likely the practice (speculation) of the week before 6/10-6/11.

[GA2FL_Girl]

[QUOTE=PotatoHead;2615015]Presumes Caylee could access the backyard. Children this age can't usually open sliding glass doors by themselves. So possible IF back sliders we ajar. If A/C was on, that is unlikely.



QUOTE]

My daughter will be three in Nov. and she can open our sliding glass door. We have peg locks at the very top we put in at night just in case she wakes up and wonders around. Our house was built in the 70's and are the original doors and very heavy.... JMO

[susnoat]

Evidence has been uncovered that Casey was researching chloroform and its effects online.

I think that Casey either obtained chloroform from her mother or another source and started using it to put Caylee to sleep at night because she was becoming difficult to put to bed, as children can be at times, or she needed for her to be out because she was interfering with her being able to go out and party or have free time in the evening. She used a little too much, and it caused Caylee grave harm. Hence the coverup.

Thoughts?

[Evan's Mom]

Why would she use chloroform for that when she can use benedryl?
It's legal, cheaper, and pretty commonly used.

[BondJamesBond]

Why would she use chloroform for that when she can use benedryl?
It's legal, cheaper, and pretty commonly used.

Fight on 6/15 may have resulted in parents telling Casey she wasn't responsible enough to care for Caylee and they told her to get out of the house – George & Cindy would effectively have custody of Caylee. Casey figured the best way to get back at her parents was to take Caylee from them.

Casey went back to the house to “get some clothes and things” and used chloroform to ensure Caylee didn't wake-up from her nap and alert George while Casey concealed and loaded her into the car in a duffle bag, or out the back door & through the gate 6/16 into the Pontiac. (Surely she didn’t load the duffle with Caylee in the trunk to get away quickly exposing Caylee to blunt trauma too - back seat, ok?)

Since Casey wasn't familiar w/ dosing/toxicity, she may have picked this up from Cindy or friends partying and thought it wasn't risky. When Caylee didn't come around, or, vital signs stopped, the flurry of calls to Cindy ensued...Mom's a nurse, she'll know what to do, right!?!?

[Shutterfly]

I swear, I honestly don't know what to think anymore. With all of this information, I am more in the dark today than I was the first day the news reported on the case. This case isn't a circus at all. It's an episode...no, a series of episodes... from The Twilight Zone or Tales From The Dark Side. I've been an avid reader of Stephen King novels for two decades, and HE never came up with anything this bizarre! I begin to grow accustomed to "this" probably happened...and then WHAM...chloroform?!? And it's been this way since day one!
Theories? I don't have anymore, I am fresh out. The only things I do know is that...
A) Caylee is gone...and I mean 'gone.'
B) She wasn't kidnapped
C) KC "made" Caylee gone
This case is like trying to find water...in Ethiopia...in the dark!!!

[Tuba]

I have never witnessed such aggressively defended DENIAL as Cindy and George's. It is as if they would implode if the truth were put in front of them. I believe this is a measure of their love for Caylee and their horror and rage at being the parents of the one who extinguished Caylee's life. I think they find those two facts unbearable, that Caylee is dead and that Casey is responsible. This is why it is easy for Casey to seduce them with her incredible lies. The lies form a buffer against the horrible, insupportable truth. But in some way, perhaps large, perhaps small, they had a part in Casey becoming what she is today and their enabling behavior is only one element of that.

[Short_Stuff]

I saw that someone posted here http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/live-video-of-c.html#more
that they think Casey may have accidentally left Caylee in the car in the heat and she died and Casey covered it up by burying her in a panic. Hence the awful smell in the car.

What do you think?

This is what I have been saying and posting since this started! I agree!

[Darlene733510]

I keep going back to the conversation Casey had with Lee when she was in jail, when she said she thought Caylee was "close".

I have always been suspicious of what may still be in that backyard. If a body were put in a sealed container, and buried, would the dogs still hit on it? This would possibly mean that Casey had someone helping her.

I would like to see that backyard revisited by Tim Miller with the ground penetrating equipment.

I know they don't like people trespassing on their property, and they are right about that, but when Cindy was hammering those no trespass signs around the yard, she was so angry - I bet if they went back there again she would have a fit, but what IF Caylee is there?

[magic-cat]

Maybe George found the chloroform in the trunk and HE is the one who searched it on the computer? Maybe THAT is where he got the idea to say there was cleaning fluid in the trunk...maybe maybe maybe...

I wish we could hear some definitive news for once...

Besides that Casey is bailed out...

[MarleneM]

I think Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy after the arguement overheard by their neighbors on June 15th, but I also think the quickest way to find out the real truth along with all of it's ugly details would be if Casey were to pin anything on Cindy.

If those two psychos could be pit against each other to save their sorry azzes, I believe the truth would flow like a river.

[yosande]

I wonder why it was ok to Casey to have Caylee overnight at Ricardos and sleeping in the same bed, but when it came to Tony's apt, no such happening? Odd.

ITA I'm wondering the same thing.

[Betty Boop]

I keep going back to the conversation Casey had with Lee when she was in jail, when she said she thought Caylee was "close".

I have always been suspicious of what may still be in that backyard. If a body were put in a sealed container, and buried, would the dogs still hit on it? This would possibly mean that Casey had someone helping her.

I would like to see that backyard revisited by Tim Miller with the ground penetrating equipment.

I know they don't like people trespassing on their property, and they are right about that, but when Cindy was hammering those no trespass signs around the yard, she was so angry - I bet if they went back there again she would have a fit, but what IF Caylee is there?

Good post! ITA! And IIRC, Casey repeated the words "she's close". It was "Dad, she's close" and when Greta VS asked about that in one of her interviews, here is Cindy's spin:

CINDY ANTHONY: And I think you can interpret that in a couple of ways. Close meaning within the central Florida area, close meaning in the neighborhood — I don’t think that’s what she means — close to maybe coming home. There’s a lot of different ways to interpret that. My interpretation is that she’s, hopefully, in this area.

:banghead:

[PrayersForMaura]

Someone I know is thinking Casey left Caylee's lifeless body where the alligators could get her. Hence, she will never be found.

That seems awfully sick. I don't think that is where Caylee is.

Does anyone else think anything along the lines of alligators or something like that?

[pang223]

Here's what I think...it's entirely possible that Casey was drugging Caylee w/much easier to obtain forms of sedatives like Zanax and cough syrup etc(ie: Amy talking about how Caylee slept through anything)

But in those forms, she'd still have to wait for Caylee to fall asleep. Chloroform would provide an immediate state of unconciousness. I don't know if she used chloroform more than once or if this was the first time. I don't care. It's positively EVIL.

Anyway, I think it could have gone in a number of ways:
One, she used the chloroform to silence Caylee while she was stashing her in the trunk to go God knows where and Caylee either od'd on the chloroform or suffocated.

OR,
She chloroformed Caylee to run around doing her thing or at Tonys apartment, thought she was just sleeping and then went back to check on her and discovered she wasn't breathing. Then, flurry of calls. No answer. Knows Caylee is dead because of her actions. Knows it's wrong. And then her natural inclination to lie takes over.

I'm still holding onto that I think it was an accident. Although I would NOT be surprised to hear she was planning on killing George and Cindy w/the Chloroform and making it look like a murder/suicide type deal. Because according to interviews w/Tony and Amy: She was making plans with Amy about moving into the Anthony house and she'd assume responsibility for the mortgage from her parents. And then she told Tony she needed to stay with him because the parents were having huge fights about her dad having an affair and that she hated him. I don't know if Casey made up the fights or if it's true. (Casey lies about EVERYTHING. Cindy denied that was happening when she talked to Amy on the 15 and brought it up to Casey during the uncomfortable car ride away from Tony's. But you can't trust Cindy's words either.)

[wedavis]

Fight on 6/15 may have resulted in parents telling Casey she wasn't responsible enough to care for Caylee and they told her to get out of the house – George & Cindy would effectively have custody of Caylee. Casey figured the best way to get back at her parents was to take Caylee from them.

Casey went back to the house to “get some clothes and things” and used chloroform to ensure Caylee didn't wake-up from her nap and alert George while Casey concealed and loaded her into the car in a duffle bag, or out the back door & through the gate 6/16 into the Pontiac. (Surely she didn’t load the duffle with Caylee in the trunk to get away quickly exposing Caylee to blunt trauma too - back seat, ok?)

Since Casey wasn't familiar w/ dosing/toxicity, she may have picked this up from Cindy or friends partying and thought it wasn't risky. When Caylee didn't come around, or, vital signs stopped, the flurry of calls to Cindy ensued...Mom's a nurse, she'll know what to do, right!?!?

Jesse G.'s dad said on Greta that those "flurry" of calls were because Casey wasn't getting the house and she was fighting with Tony (could it be she left Tony's late on the 15th?).

What if Casey didn't stay at either the Anthony's or Tony's? Does that shed any new light into this part of the story?

I still think George's interview with Greta about the 16th is suspicious, I think maybe it was not only a cover for the gas can tampering, but to "prove" that whatever fight went down the day before wasn't serious as they were shooting the sh*t the next day.

[Cerenity2u]

I posted this on another thread, before I knew this one existed, sorry about that :o. Now that we have more info on the chloroform, thanks to many of you here, I think you all are brilliant BTW at finding great information and putting pieces of evidence together to come up with plausible theories of what happened to little Caylee. Anyhow, I am leaning on the theory that Casey may have had Chloroform in her possession to use as recreational drug. Because she researched "How to use chloroform" on her computer, I feel confident she had no prior experience with it and this would be a first timer for her. I am also putting pieces together with this info on what could have possibly happened to Caylee. I think that it is possible that Casey wanted to do a "test drive" with her newly purchased chloroform in the privacy of her own home....while little Caylee was there. Casey knocked herself unconscious, bottle falls, still open, Caylee enters the area, see's mommy sleeping, see's bottle of chloroform, and proceeds to drink it, or whatever is left remaining in the bottle....remember chloroform tastes sweet according to research. We also know that it is deadly if ingested. Casey wakes up from her drugged stupor only to find the empty bottle of chloroform and her unconscious or perhaps dead daughter. She panics, maybe thinking that Caylee sniffed the vapors and thought she needed to get her outside in fresh air to bring her out of her unconscious state, thus placing her on the grass where the cadavor dogs hit at the Anthony home. Only Caylee didn't wake up, she was already dead. She panics and knows her daughter is deceased, puts her in the trunk. In her twisted mind, she knows she can't call 911, due to the fact that she wouldn't want her parents or authorities to know about the chloroform and why she had it in the first place. The rest is obvious, she had to make up the kidnapping story, after she dumped the body. LE needs to run tests on every square inch on the Anthony home for traces of chloroform..I bet they find some in the area where Casey may have tried it...it would have spilled when she went unconscious. Would explain why they would find substantial amounts in the trunk, it was probably all over Caylee, it may have also come out in the bodily fluids of her decomposing body....just a theory....but anyone think it may be plausible?

[pang223]

anyone think it may be plausible?

VERY! I just want to know. I'd so much rather it were this simple than what I posted above. What's sad is that we'll probably never know because she will NEVER tell.

[wedavis]

I posted this on another thread, before I knew this one existed, sorry about that :o. Now that we have more info on the chloroform, thanks to many of you here, I think you all are brilliant BTW at finding great information and putting pieces of evidence together to come up with plausible theories of what happened to little Caylee. Anyhow, I am leaning on the theory that Casey may have had Chloroform in her possession to use as recreational drug. Because she researched "How to use chloroform" on her computer, I feel confident she had no prior experience with it and this would be a first timer for her. I am also putting pieces together with this info on what could have possibly happened to Caylee. I think that it is possible that Casey wanted to do a "test drive" with her newly purchased chloroform in the privacy of her own home....while little Caylee was there. Casey knocked herself unconscious, bottle falls, still open, Caylee enters the area, see's mommy sleeping, see's bottle of chloroform, and proceeds to drink it, or whatever is left remaining in the bottle....remember chloroform tastes sweet according to research. We also know that it is deadly if ingested. Casey wakes up from her drugged stupor only to find the empty bottle of chloroform and her unconscious or perhaps dead daughter. She panics, maybe thinking that Caylee sniffed the vapors and thought she needed to get her outside in fresh air to bring her out of her unconscious state, thus placing her on the grass where the cadavor dogs hit at the Anthony home. Only Caylee didn't wake up, she was already dead. She panics and knows her daughter is deceased, puts her in the trunk. In her twisted mind, she knows she can't call 911, due to the fact that she wouldn't want her parents or authorities to know about the chloroform and why she had it in the first place. The rest is obvious, she had to make up the kidnapping story, after she dumped the body. LE needs to run tests on every square inch on the Anthony home for traces of chloroform..I bet they find some in the area where Casey may have tried it...it would have spilled when she went unconscious. Would explain why they would find substantial amounts in the trunk, it was probably all over Caylee, it may have also come out in the bodily fluids of her decomposing body....just a theory....but anyone think it may be plausible?


I think that is a good theory. Probably hard to prove however because anything found in the Anthony household will receive "spin" cycle treatment. In other words it will either be spun in the wash or spun into a lie to cover for Casey.

[yosande]

I suspect the trunk is the babysitter, and some drug, whether it is xanax or clhoroform or whatever else she could find to put her to sleep. I expect the hair will prove this was ongoing not just a one time thing. I do not know if she did this to kill her after the fight with p. or just an accident. I spec. she left Caylee in the trunk post death for as long as she could, then possibly went to JG for help. b/c he truly loves her, he would help her, and she showered at his place when TonE was still in Orlando though she said he was out of town. He also quit his job at LE. in that time frame. mo could change, but that's where I am today...

[Cerenity2u]

VERY! I just want to know. I'd so much rather it were this simple than what I posted above. What's sad is that we'll probably never know because she will NEVER tell.

I know exactly how you feel. You may very well be right, we might not ever know what exactly happened to little Caylee. I pray every day that she will be found...that little angel deserves to be put in a proper resting place. And Casey needs to be put in hers....behind bars!

[yosande]

I posted this on another thread, before I knew this one existed, sorry about that :o. Now that we have more info on the chloroform, thanks to many of you here, I think you all are brilliant BTW at finding great information and putting pieces of evidence together to come up with plausible theories of what happened to little Caylee. Anyhow, I am leaning on the theory that Casey may have had Chloroform in her possession to use as recreational drug. Because she researched "How to use chloroform" on her computer, I feel confident she had no prior experience with it and this would be a first timer for her. I am also putting pieces together with this info on what could have possibly happened to Caylee. I think that it is possible that Casey wanted to do a "test drive" with her newly purchased chloroform in the privacy of her own home....while little Caylee was there. Casey knocked herself unconscious, bottle falls, still open, Caylee enters the area, see's mommy sleeping, see's bottle of chloroform, and proceeds to drink it, or whatever is left remaining in the bottle....remember chloroform tastes sweet according to research. We also know that it is deadly if ingested. Casey wakes up from her drugged stupor only to find the empty bottle of chloroform and her unconscious or perhaps dead daughter. She panics, maybe thinking that Caylee sniffed the vapors and thought she needed to get her outside in fresh air to bring her out of her unconscious state, thus placing her on the grass where the cadavor dogs hit at the Anthony home. Only Caylee didn't wake up, she was already dead. She panics and knows her daughter is deceased, puts her in the trunk. In her twisted mind, she knows she can't call 911, due to the fact that she wouldn't want her parents or authorities to know about the chloroform and why she had it in the first place. The rest is obvious, she had to make up the kidnapping story, after she dumped the body. LE needs to run tests on every square inch on the Anthony home for traces of chloroform..I bet they find some in the area where Casey may have tried it...it would have spilled when she went unconscious. Would explain why they would find substantial amounts in the trunk, it was probably all over Caylee, it may have also come out in the bodily fluids of her decomposing body....just a theory....but anyone think it may be plausible?

I'm liking your theory, totally plausible.

[Cerenity2u]

I think that is a good theory. Probably hard to prove however because anything found in the Anthony household will receive "spin" cycle treatment. In other words it will either be spun in the wash or spun into a lie to cover for Casey.

Good Point! Cindy has put so much spin, twists and turns into this case, just watching her makes me dizzy. How in the world does she even keep up the pace of all the excuses, and lies....knowing she will never see her sweet grandbaby ever again? This is indeed the most bizarre case with the most bizarre players I have ever seen.

[Baznme]

Do we know where the dogs hit in the backyard?

[Baznme]

I think that is a good theory. Probably hard to prove however because anything found in the Anthony household will receive "spin" cycle treatment. In other words it will either be spun in the wash or spun into a lie to cover for Casey.

Possibly not. Maybe CA doesn't even know there could be traces of it in the carpet or anywhere in that house. Now that the chloroform has come to light, there's probably should be another search of that entire property. She might have hid the bottle in the backyard.

[wedavis]

Possibly not. Maybe CA doesn't even know there could be traces of it in the carpet or anywhere in that house. Now that the chloroform has come to light, there's probably should be another search of that entire property. She might have hid the bottle in the backyard.

Good point, but you can bet Cindy will come up with a "good" reason why it is there.

[lilllbird]

I posted this on another thread, before I knew this one existed, sorry about that :o. Now that we have more info on the chloroform, thanks to many of you here, I think you all are brilliant BTW at finding great information and putting pieces of evidence together to come up with plausible theories of what happened to little Caylee. Anyhow, I am leaning on the theory that Casey may have had Chloroform in her possession to use as recreational drug. Because she researched "How to use chloroform" on her computer, I feel confident she had no prior experience with it and this would be a first timer for her. I am also putting pieces together with this info on what could have possibly happened to Caylee. I think that it is possible that Casey wanted to do a "test drive" with her newly purchased chloroform in the privacy of her own home....while little Caylee was there. Casey knocked herself unconscious, bottle falls, still open, Caylee enters the area, see's mommy sleeping, see's bottle of chloroform, and proceeds to drink it, or whatever is left remaining in the bottle....remember chloroform tastes sweet according to research. We also know that it is deadly if ingested. Casey wakes up from her drugged stupor only to find the empty bottle of chloroform and her unconscious or perhaps dead daughter. She panics, maybe thinking that Caylee sniffed the vapors and thought she needed to get her outside in fresh air to bring her out of her unconscious state, thus placing her on the grass where the cadavor dogs hit at the Anthony home. Only Caylee didn't wake up, she was already dead. She panics and knows her daughter is deceased, puts her in the trunk. In her twisted mind, she knows she can't call 911, due to the fact that she wouldn't want her parents or authorities to know about the chloroform and why she had it in the first place. The rest is obvious, she had to make up the kidnapping story, after she dumped the body. LE needs to run tests on every square inch on the Anthony home for traces of chloroform..I bet they find some in the area where Casey may have tried it...it would have spilled when she went unconscious. Would explain why they would find substantial amounts in the trunk, it was probably all over Caylee, it may have also come out in the bodily fluids of her decomposing body....just a theory....but anyone think it may be plausible?

This is plausible. I'm not sure if it has been confirmed that the dogs hit in the backyard but if not maybe Casey just assumed Caylee was dead and placed her in the trunk. Caylee then could have vomited ingested chloroform before dying. That way there could be no contamination other than in the trunk.

I hate even thinking about this. Part of me is still holding on to the idea that Caylee is living with caring individuals and maybe just now adjusting to her new life. Asking for her mom and grandparents but still being loved. The odds of this are nearly impossible, I know :(

[Cerenity2u]

Do we know where the dogs hit in the backyard?

Hi Baznme, yes, and deligently trying to find where I read the exact location of the hits in the backyard to post it for you, with the link. Might take me some time to find it...but I will, hehe. I'm thinking, but want to make sure, that a hit was made near the pool, or near the playhouse.

[txsvicki]

This whole thing is so bizarre and twisted that it's almost impossible to really come up with a theory. Everyone involved says such outlandish things and every word is in some sort of defense of Casey. My theory is still death away from the home or at home, and the body being placed in up to three different locations. The chloroform could have been used in the death and also going to play a part in the final story of a ransom demand and Casey being knocked out at some remote location.

[Cerenity2u]

I'm not sure if it has been confirmed that the dogs hit in the backyard but if not maybe Casey just assumed Caylee was dead and placed her in the trunk. Caylee then could have vomited ingested chloroform before dying. That way there could be no contamination other than in the trunk.

I hate even thinking about this. Part of me is still holding on to the idea that Caylee is living with caring individuals and maybe just now adjusting to her new life. Asking for her mom and grandparents but still being loved. The odds of this are nearly impossible, I know :(

This also makes sense, she could have very well put her directly into the trunk thinking Caylee was already gone. Vomiting is one of the symptoms of chloroform poisoning from ingestion or inhalation.

You know? there is nothing wrong with the idea that Caylee is indeed with someone who is taking very good care of her, alive and well...until they actually find a body, or Casey confessess to something, then there will always be that little glimmer of hope :)

[Firefly]

You know? there is nothing wrong with the idea that Caylee is indeed with someone who is taking very good care of her, alive and well...until they actually find a body, or Casey confessess to something, then there will always be that little glimmer of hope :)

Sorry, if this has been discussed already......and IMHO......
If Caylee is found deceased ANYWHERE, but especially the 3 mi radius that Tim Miller stated, the Anthony family will come out swingin' with the idea that someone had put Caylee there. They will attest that someone (Zenaida and friends) HAD Caylee alive and with all the hype, put her there to "frame" their daughter so they could walk away from it all and let her take the fall. Kind of like Scott Peterson's Brown van stuff. The defense can spin all they want these wild stories and it is the Prosecution's burden to disprove anything they say. This would, be the first story out of their mouths if Caylee's body is found.

[El Gato]

Folks, we could beat around the bush all day if we wanted too...This baby is DEAD!!! Wake up, c'mon, do u really believe she walks amongst us?

I am sorry, I am so caught up in this, that i can clearly see, this child is 'No more',, I wish I was wrong!!!!!!!!

[El Gato]

Man, she gets a prison break 'tomorrow' :(

[Cerenity2u]

Folks, we could beat around the bush all day if we wanted too...This baby is DEAD!!! Wake up, c'mon, do u really believe she walks amongst us?

I am sorry, I am so caught up in this, that i can clearly see, this child is 'No more',, I wish I was wrong!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately, I agree with you. Little Caylee is no longer with us, and I believe she died at the hands of her mother, whether pre-meditated, or by accident....but for those who are having a hard time accepting the horrible facts....there still continues to be a little...and I do mean LITTLE glimmer of hope, until they find her body. And I truely believe that they will.

[magic-cat]

The reality is there IS no glimmer of hope here. There was a dead body in the trunk of that car with the same mitochondrial DNA as Casey. A mother's children ALL have exactly the same mitochondrial DNA as the mother...Caylee was Casey's only child that we know of. There is NOBODY that CAN be but poor little sweet precious Caylee...The only HOPE now is to find her body and make sure that whoever took her life away from her is made to pay the penalty FOR that life.

[chop]

I think the big bombshell coming is who is the father of Caylee. My guess is George. Thats why this family is so good at keeping secrets. Thats why George and Cindy almost split up a few years ago. Thats why George and Cindy hired an attorney. Thats why Casey has been pulling her parents by the short ones for so long.Those who hold the secrets hold the power in those kinds of familys. Thats why none of her friends know who Caylees father is. You know they took DNA samples from the whole family.
I think she used the Chloroform just the once because the way people use it, is to pour it on a cloth and hold it to the face and it leaves burn marks on the skin where the rag was held. I think someone would have noticed if Caylees face looked burned all the time. I think she used it to knock out Caylee so she could kill her without Caylee knowing what was happening. Killing a lifeless knocked out child was better than a struggling child with big eyes looking at you.
That family backs Casey because they dont like the truth, the truth hurts

[dejavu101]

I think the big bombshell coming is who is the father of Caylee. My guess is George. Thats why this family is so good at keeping secrets. Thats why George and Cindy almost split up a few years ago. Thats why George and Cindy hired an attorney. Thats why Casey has been pulling her parents by the short ones for so long.Those who hold the secrets hold the power in those kinds of familys. Thats why none of her friends know who Caylees father is. You know they took DNA samples from the whole family.
I think she used the Chloroform just the once because the way people use it, is to pour it on a cloth and hold it to the face and it leaves burn marks on the skin where the rag was held. I think someone would have noticed if Caylees face looked burned all the time. I think she used it to knock out Caylee so she could kill her without Caylee knowing what was happening. Killing a lifeless knocked out child was better than a struggling child with big eyes looking at you.
That family backs Casey because they dont like the truth, the truth hurts


I have been on the fence on this paternity issue because to me Caylee looks alot like George. But then again he is the grandfather and genes don't lie. I saw a pic posted somewhere of Casey's male friends and there was one guy who had the exact smile and mouth features as Caylee. The corners of the mouth were both indented ( if that makes sense). There was no name with the pic.

[magic-cat]

I DO see some "redness" about Caylees face in some of the photos in some of the "tribute" videos...look closely and I bet you will see it too...

[BondJamesBond]

Jesse G.'s dad said on Greta that those "flurry" of calls were because Casey wasn't getting the house and she was fighting with Tony (could it be she left Tony's late on the 15th?).

Link?

What if Casey didn't stay at either the Anthony's or Tony's? Does that shed any new light into this part of the story?

OK. If I go w/ George working 6/16PM, then, there must not have been a need for Casey to take Caylee from C&A covertly. C&A had no way to care for Caylee if Cindy works till 5PM'ish.

If the flurry of calls were due to Casey being locked out AND having a fight with Tony, then...

6/16 Monday PM

Casey gets p'd at everyone she's calling to allow she & Caylee to stay the night, she can't get into C&A's and she just had a fight w/ Cindy anyway 6/15. No luck w/ Amy and No luck w/ Jesse. Casey heads to Sawgrass and she and Caylee stay the night w/ Dante. Casey wants to 'repay' Dante and since Dante's partied w/ chloroform before he has some around, but doesn't adjust dose and he or Casey give Caylee a fatal dose - or - as someone else suggested, Casey (and Dante) are incapacitated and Caylee drinks a fatal dose.

6/17 Tuesday

Caylee doesn't awake. Casey & Dante spot ZFG looking @ an apartment and the kidnapping plan is hatched. Dante may assist in getting ZFG's ID info to Casey from the guest card in the office or the database later. Casey stays the night @ Dante's or in the Pontiac w/ Caylee's body in the trunk.

6/18 Wednesday

Casey calls G&C cell and home phones to fix their location before returning home, borrowing a shovel, and burying Caylee in the loose dirt beside the pool. She moves the Rubbermaid storage box back over the spot to help conceal it.

6/19 Thursday: Casey & Tony look @ Crane's Landing Apartments.

6/20 Friday: Casey & Tony party @ Fusian.

6/21 Saturday: Casey & Tony hang

6/22 Sunday or 6/23 Monday (likely Monday PM)

Casey returns to G&C's to recover Caylee's body. Casey doesn't need a shovel this time since the dirt is loose. She may not even pull into the garage since the body could be placed is in plastic bag(s). Casey breaks into the storage shed and takes the gas cans just in case she runs out of gas with Caylee's body in the trunk. Casey disposes of Caylee's body in a dumpster or body of water (e.g. Lake Underhill).

Casey hadn't counted on the strong decomp odor on her from handling the body and must spend the night in the Pontiac. She drives around to find some WiFi to pass the time. The strong odor makes her wish for some wind and she muses to Lee in her Fb message about Chicago being windy @ 12:40AM Tuesday.

6/24 Tuesday

Casey changes into cleaner clothes in the car and showers @ Jesse's @ 10AM. She returns the gas cans to G&C's and may or may not encounter George (likley didn't IMHO). If the enctouner didn't occur, George sees the gas cans reappear and (after 911 calls, etc.) figures the eyewitness account of seeing Casey's trunk will help to establish reasonable doubt. 2:40PM Casey fb msg's Troy about "DRAMMA" of the past 9 days.

6/25 Wednesday - Thursday 6/26

Casey hangs w/ Tony and the odor in the Pontiac from the residual fluids gets worse. She ditches it Thursday night or Friday morning by the dumpster to lessen the chance it will draw attention. She puts the bag of trash in the trunk hoping G&C will figure that is the source of the smell and clean the car for her. Her car has been towed before (Amy's statement) and she figures she'll either call George or just buy time and let it get towed.

Had G&C never been exposed to human decomposition odor before the 911 calls may have never occurred.

[MomLady]

Well, the thing that bothers me is that Casey never reported Caylee missing.

Why, IMO, it's because Casey knows exactly what happened and where she is, therefore she's not missing. Remember Scott Peterson?

As far as the details, I don't think it was an accident. Too many weird details--the shovel, odor in the car, the car abandoned, Casey's tattoo.

It's just too sad.

MomLady

[tiredofthis]

Hi Baznme, yes, and deligently trying to find where I read the exact location of the hits in the backyard to post it for you, with the link. Might take me some time to find it...but I will, hehe. I'm thinking, but want to make sure, that a hit was made near the pool, or near the playhouse.

Didn't NG say that the dogs hit by the pool and the sandbox?

[TimeWillTell]

Well, the thing that bothers me is that Casey never reported Caylee missing.

Why, IMO, it's because Casey knows exactly what happened and where she is, therefore she's not missing. Remember Scott Peterson?

As far as the details, I don't think it was an accident. Too many weird details--the shovel, odor in the car, the car abandoned, Casey's tattoo.

It's just too sad.

MomLady

I think it was all part of her plan to report her missing eventually when the time was right but first she had to build her story (i.e. mention to people she has a nanny named Zanny) and also give enough time for evidence of poor little Caylee's body to be long gone. Unfortunatly for her Cindy cut her plan a little short (the only good thing she's done so far).

On a side note Casey definately wasn't a living for the future kind of gal she was just living in the moment, I mean what did she think was gonna happen when Amy came back and found out she forged her checks? And how long did she think she could keep putting Amy off about the house being signed over to her?

BTW I don't know if any of this is making sense anymore I'm just thinkin out loud :)

[BondJamesBond]

the·o·ry (noun) - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

opin·ion (noun) - a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

I know it is difficult w/o a general discussion thread. Guess I'm just gettin' cranky w/o enough sleep.

[TimeWillTell]

the·o·ry (noun) - the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another

opin·ion (noun) - a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter

I understand this is a theory thread but is it not okay to discuss and give insight into these theories here? If not I profusely apologize and will not be "hindering" you thread any longer.

:sheesh:

[Bellaitalia0215]

Hi All, Here are my thoughts, I believe the MOST important issue in this case is the timeline, or lack there of. That being said, here is my theory, I am not convinced Casey killed her daughter, nor am i convinced it was an accident, however, I do BELEIVE beautiful little Caylee is deceased. Now, with that belief and George being retired law enforcement, Cindy being a Nurse, BOTH being unstable. It seems to me the delay in reporting is the KEY. Let's just say they (the THREE of them) were now dealing with a dead body, how it happened is unclear to possibly 2 of them, that brings me to these questions - -who would know first and foremost how to get rid of a body and the amount of time and location to put it other than a law enforcement office. He would have known through his previous training what it all entailed, and how to insure the wild goose chase we are experiencing as we speak!! Now on to Cindy, SHE would know how to clean the "evidence" up, AKA chloraform, she would also know as we have all witnessed her unraveling that she could spin this whole thing out of control and take the heat off her daughter just by being herself, UNSTABLE. As for Lee, I am a firm beleiver that he has removed his presence from this case because throughout his life he has experienced the disfuntion his ENTIRE life. Now to Casey, I am at a loss with her, she has perplexed me to a point that is unexplainable. Her demeaner alone has challenged in me emotions that are soo raw and brought me to the point of questions what ANY human life means to her including her HER OWN!!! So to me, the whole delay in reporting was planned and is going according to THEIR plan . . . .that is why, CINDY is a NUT and playing it UP, George is sitting in the background outside of his occassional mishaps for the most part QUIETLY watching this play out and Casey is as smug as she can be!!! Lee is removed and distancing himself from what will prove to be his families final display of disfunction!!! I am sorry if this in not on the proper thread but this case has me nutty and i just had to share this, if for nothing other than my own sanity!!!!

[nnglas]

Ok, I have been thinking. This is just what if? Im just trying to look at alternatives.

What we know is......

Cindy was last seen with Caylee on Father's Day
George claims he saw them the following Monday with backpacks leaving the house
Tony's roommate said that Casey spent the night at their apartment on Father's Day
There was a spurt of phone calls to Cindy et al on Monday around 3, a couple of hours after George supposedly saw Casey and Caylee
There was chloroform in the trunk
George picked up the car from impound
Casey told Tony that her father was picking her car up from Amscot

So, I was thinking. George seemed to be at home at least part of the day. What if Casey spent the night at Tony's house, and came home to find everybody gone. The spurt of phone calls that went unanswered were "where is my kid?" calls. She thinks Caylee is with her parents, which is why she is partying like it 1999 a few days later. She was later given a script, but not by Zanny, but by George. George is LE, he has threatened or scared her in some way. And it is possible she doesn't even know what happened to Caylee. Cindy and George are her out of jail before she does talk. They know she is scared and they need her home in order to keep fear in her. George is the one that is coming up with the afterthought stories. Gas cans, seeing her on the 24th, he definately has a temper.

Other thoughts.....

What the he** would Casey know about Chloroform. Casey is a huge liar and everybody knows that, which could always be used against her. Cindy said it herself......Just because you are a liar doesn't make you a murderer.

OK, just a thought. Trying to figure this out. Just another theory. I don't necessarily believe it, but remember JB was trying to get Casey some sort of immunity. IDK, just thinking out loud, trying to make some sense of it all. Anybody have any thoughts?

[unsaid]

You presented this very well so it does seem possible. Not likely...but possible. Based on those facts though...this could have happened. It's definitely an interesting theory!

[Firefly]

Ok, I have been thinking. This is just what if? Im just trying to look at alternatives.

What we know is......

Cindy was last seen with Caylee on Father's Day
George claims he saw them the following Monday with backpacks leaving the house
Tony's roommate said that Casey spent the night at their apartment on Father's Day
There was a spurt of phone calls to Cindy et al on Monday around 3, a couple of hours after George supposedly saw Casey and Caylee
There was chloroform in the trunk
George picked up the car from impound
Casey told Tony that her father was picking her car up from Amscot

So, I was thinking. George seemed to be at home at least part of the day. What if Casey spent the night at Tony's house, and came home to find everybody gone. The spurt of phone calls that went unanswered were "where is my kid?" calls. She thinks Caylee is with her parents, which is why she is partying like it 1999 a few days later. She was later given a script, but not by Zanny, but by George. George is LE, he has threatened or scared her in some way. And it is possible she doesn't even know what happened to Caylee. Cindy and George are her out of jail before she does talk. They know she is scared and they need her home in order to keep fear in her. George is the one that is coming up with the afterthought stories. Gas cans, seeing her on the 24th, he definately has a temper.

Other thoughts.....

What the he** would Casey know about Chloroform. Casey is a huge liar and everybody knows that, which could always be used against her. Cindy said it herself......Just because you are a liar doesn't make you a murderer.

OK, just a thought. Trying to figure this out. Just another theory. I don't necessarily believe it, but remember JB was trying to get Casey some sort of immunity. IDK, just thinking out loud, trying to make some sense of it all. Anybody have any thoughts?

Interesting thought......but with Casey's mindset....the Narcissist person that she is will have "lost" her little mirror, possession if you will, and she would never have any of it. If she had issues with her Dad, this would have been huge and she would have called LE herself to get ownership of her daughter back. Remember, she lies just to make herself look good. If someone did her wrong, she would be the first to scream bloody murder. JMHO.

[LookingForThe Truth]

There is already a thread for Theories on what happened::)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67854&highlight=Theories

[unsaid]

Interesting thought......but with Casey's mindset....the Narcissist person that she is will have "lost" her little mirror, possession if you will, and she would never have any of it. If she had issues with her Dad, this would have been huge and she would have called LE herself to get ownership of her daughter back. Remember, she lies just to make herself look good. If someone did her wrong, she would be the first to scream bloody murder. JMHO.

That's true. Imagine how much attention she'd get for something like that happening to her. She'd probably like it.

[Nashville]

I would really like to get this thought out of my head and share it with someone to see if anyone else thinks it might be valid. (I don't know what the do's and dont's are and I certainly don't want to help the wrong team! Please advise.)

[DharmaDog]

Welcome! It is most certainly appropriate to post your theory. :)

[BondJamesBond]

By all means...have @ it!

[c'monalready]

Please do, would like to hear a fresh take!

[IntriguedMind]

So, I was thinking. George seemed to be at home at least part of the day. What if Casey spent the night at Tony's house, and came home to find everybody gone. The spurt of phone calls that went unanswered were "where is my kid?" calls. She thinks Caylee is with her parents, which is why she is partying like it 1999 a few days later. She was later given a script, but not by Zanny, but by George. George is LE, he has threatened or scared her in some way. And it is possible she doesn't even know what happened to Caylee. Cindy and George are her out of jail before she does talk. They know she is scared and they need her home in order to keep fear in her. George is the one that is coming up with the afterthought stories. Gas cans, seeing her on the 24th, he definately has a temper.

I have thought this same theory... something about GA makes me wonder..

I have also thought perhaps Caylee is alive and Ga and Ca know where she is... which is why they are so confident KC will not be charged.. but that is torn apart quite alot when I look at other evidence :rolleyes:

[suspicious mind]

She died in Casey's care, she buried her and went on with her life. The worst part? Her family allowed it.

[BB12]

ZANNY THE NANNY

Double Trouble Squared: A Starbuck Family Adventure, Book One by Kathryn Lasky Excerpt - page 34: "... Zanny the Nanny ….ZANNY DUGGAN had parked a block away and begun to ..." Shadows in the Water: A Starbuck Family Adventure, Book Two by Kathryn Lasky

[Darla]

>>Being sexually active to the degree that Casey has been - is an indication that she could have been sexually molested/raped as a child.<<

I don't think George is the father. Besides being a sociopath, she has classic symptoms of Bipolar Disorder. Not a pdoc - JMO

"Manic episodes can be especially distressing because they are often associated with high-risk behaviors like substance abuse, sexual promiscuity, immoderate spending, violent behavior, and disregard for danger. The capacity for empathy is also typically reduced or absent, leaving family members and others without the usual interpersonal protections and understandings that empathy (knowing how our words and actions affect others) provides."

http://www.depressioncenter.org/depressive_disorders/bipolar.asp

[Mom of Five]

[QUOTE=Darla;2654875]>>Being sexually active to the degree that Casey has been - is an indication that she could have been sexually molested/raped as a child.<<

I don't think George is the father. Besides being a sociopath, she has classic symptoms of Bipolar Disorder. Not a pdoc - JMO

"Manic episodes can be especially distressing because they are often associated with high-risk behaviors like substance abuse, sexual promiscuity, immoderate spending, violent behavior, and disregard for danger. The capacity for empathy is also typically reduced or absent, leaving family members and others without the usual interpersonal protections and understandings that empathy (knowing how our words and actions affect others) provides."

http://www.depressioncenter.org/depressive_disorders/bipolar.asp[/QUOT

I also have an airmchair psychiatric evaluation, along with BPD I also think she has Histrionic Personality disorder as well as Bordeline P.D. It's very common for people with mental illness to have more than one diagnoses. I have a 23 year old sister with this combination of illnesses and the similarities between Casey and my sister are uncanny. I think this also can give us some insight into GA's and CA's behaviour. There are classic behaviours that occur in a family dynamic where one beloved member of the family is mentally ill. I have some other posts where I go into greater detail about my experiences with my sister and the way that my parents react to her "bad" behavior.

[cali_mommy]

I think KC strangled her, or left her in the car/trunk where she suffocated. Just my theory.

[passionategray]

I think it was a purposeful accident.

I think she drugged Caylee so that she could bring her to a party or even while she was at the party and then she realized that she overdosed her own daughter and killed her. She may have even been drunk or under the influence of drugs when she overdosed her.

Then, she panicked. She knew that she would be charged for killing her daughter, so that's when she hid the body and covered up for herself with the stories and lies.

JMO!

[FL Mom]

I have been thinking about something and I am not sure if it has been considered. I tried to do a search, but nothing came up. I am a first time poster, so please be kind.

What if Casey drowned Caylee in the bath tub. Then Casey put her in the backyard and planned to make it look like Caylee had drowned in the pool. She put the ladder by the pool and left the gate open. But, then she got scared or had second thoughts. This is when she took Caylee to the trunk. Could explain why the cadaver dogs hit on the backyard and the mystery with the pool ladder and gate. I think the cholorform didn't come into play until it was time to clean up the smell from the trunk.

I hate to think that Casey is this cold hearted(Caylee could have accidentally drowned in the tub), but I couldn't get the thought out of my head and thought I would bounce the theory off of all of you.

[mom_of_five]

I've been wondering about this for a few days...has this been Casey's plan all along? To get rich from the celebrity status and media begging for her story? If so, it appears to be working brilliantly. Who else is in on it?

[diane952]

Im not sure I believe that but stranger things have happend..You never know.

[princess]

I am amazed at all the theories here..some things I would never of thought of..

[BB12]

CASEY ANTHONY

http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report THE TAPES-interrogation

By now you heard the story that Casey Anthony took her 3yr old daughter to her Nanny to babysat Caylee while Casey went to work at Universal Studios as an event coordinator. Only when she returned to the Sawgrass apartments where Zanny the nanny lives- Zanaida Gonzales was gone. This was on June 16, 2008 the day after father's day. By now you have learned that Casey decided to just go to her bf apartment- Anthony (TonE) L. and live it up party her brains out for the next 31 days. Until her mom Cindy tracks her down and drags her home and calls 911 on July 15, 2008.

Here is some interesting notes….TonE leaves for NY on June 29 to July 5….it is surmised that Casey spent some of these days with William W.. Here is where it gets interesting….Williams W. is friends with LR and L.is on Zanaida Gonzales- top 8 friend on Myspace… is in fact the Zanaida G. that the police interviewed as the person who visited Sawgrass apartment on June 17, 2008. William W. visited Casey Anthony in jail on July 29, 2008.

William W. from log at jail - http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/casey_anthony_visitation_log.pdf

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William W. visits Casey Anthony in jail July 29, 2008 7pm
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http://www.myspace.com/134960398
William W.
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http://www.myspace.com/31382150
Laura Rose
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http://www.myspace.com/166182731
Zanaida G. -ZG


ZG- the alleged nanny- the person who physically went to the Sawgrass Apt on June 17 to view a potential apt….also she states she visited every apt on that street that day not just Sawgrass. She states she does not know Casey or Caylee or any of the Anthony's.

oops I forgot to tell you all Casey Anthony left comments on these myspace pages also....Casey is members/friends of all these pages except for ZG....now some one sd they found 3 Zanaida's as frds on Casey myspace page. I believe them as they are hackers and they keep opening up these frd myspace page to allow us to do screen shots and trace all these people. You should see the 100's of party pictures of Casey and these people. Facebook is filled with them. I have the screen shot and frd shot of ZG and L. page. William is still open read his blog it is about him cheating on his gf with a chick in his backseat of a car...hmmmm

My opinion: Casey is a pathological liar who takes stuff from other peoples life and assimilates into her life. There are over 110 ZG in the Orlando area and it is a common name in Florida. In the state of Florida over 60 people with the name ZG are on probation.

Casey postal worker 6 miles from her home is named ZG. The name ZG can be traced to Casey many times over the problem is none of them know her or her kid.

My opinion: Casey killed her daughter out of a jealous rage directed at Cindy A. plain and simple. Casey is a cold blooded sociopath….Casey reinvents reality every morning; she has a long provable history of one night stands that Casey tries to turn into fast intimate relationships.


George Anthony was a cop in Ohio but Cindy thought George could make more money and inherit his fathers business if George went to work for his father.


Cindy wanted George to go into business with George's father (His father's was Antony's Auto Sales in downtown Niles) in the used car business. George never got along with his father but Cindy wanted money and the nice life style.

George and his father fought; they got into a fight at the lot and George put his father through a plate glass window. George was asked to leave. George took a mortgage out on his home and purchased a small lot just down from his father car lot. (George's was on Youngstown-Warren road in Niles near McKinley Plaza.) When the lot went under they lost their home in Niles, Ohio.1987. By the way, one of George's sisters married a car dealer in Austintown. They are doing very well. Cindy was a bit envious of the way his sister lived and wanted the good life for herself. They then moved to Florida 1988 and assumed a mortgage at their present location...

Cindy has a nursing degree (RN) at that time but didn't use it until they lost their home in Niles. She had worked for Dr. Sterle in Howland as his lead nurse. She got a good job in Orlando working for a doctor's clinic that had the Orlando Magic as clients.

June 15, 2008 fight was about Casey stealing money from her grandparents. She stole a check for $354 from her granddad's nursing home account that even Cindy's mom couldn't cash. The bank had to reimburse Cindy's dad's account. Cindy's mom wanted the bank to press charges but Cindy somehow got Casey out of it. That is what the fight was about. They had just visited Cindy's dad on father's day- June 15, 2008. Cindy's mom was very unhappy with Cindy for not doing something about Casey. Cindy and Casey got into it. Big blowup that the neighbors overheard.

At Cindy's brother wedding in May 2005 Casey was seven months pregnant and she lied and said she had just gained a few pounds. Her belly was extended and her belly button was sticking out over a half an inch. Cindy insisted that Casey was a virgin and was not pregnant. Casey finally was forced to the doctors after Cindy's brother Rick told Cindy that she is either pregnant or is going to die from a tumor the size of a baby. They believed her because she said she never ever had sex.

Lee had a DUI. (Casey brother)

Cindy filed for divorce in 2005 because George had an online gambling habit that nearly ended their marriage. He ran up thousands of dollars gambling. They lost their first home from the bankrupt car lot that George mortgaged their home on….in 1989 they purchased the current family home for 90k….now 16 years later they refinanced their home to the tune of 121k…to pay for George Anthony's gambling debt. That's a loss of 70k…. NOW in 2008 Cindy found out Casey opened credit cards in Cindy's name and ran up charges of over 45 k but Cindy says 12k is Casey…what is the other amount from?

Why did Cindy dip into her 401k plan at work to pay credit cards? What has George done for employment since 1989? We learned he has a new job that he started July 15 the day all heck broke loose at the Anthony home. Casey was arrested on July 16. July 15 is the day Cindy called 911…

Amy is the friend that casey spent July 2 to the 5th with and then borrowed her car while she was in Puerto Rico from July 8 to July 15, 2008. casey stole her check book.

7-08-08 1845 hours to 7-15-08 1530 Amy in Puerto Rico

Check's stolen and written

Check 142- 7-08-08 Target Orlando $111.01
Check 143- 7-10-08 Target Winter Gardens $137.77
Check 144- 7-10-08 Target Orlando $155.47
Check 145- 7-12-08 Winn Dixie $92.62
Check 146- 7-15-08 Cash- Bank of America - $250.00
AT&T electronically processed check- $574

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c Greta- Anthony's parents interview view into the bedrooms/house

http://www.youtube.com/user/bigjuicykungfu lots video

6-18-08 shovel- borrowed from the neighbor

Holly G babysat Caylee for one year- interview with her on NG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtNERV8kppM&feature=related

Casey's cellphone calls on June 16th, 2008
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3:03pm - George Anthony's Cell (67 min to the next call) *Casey's father
4:10pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:11pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:13pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (1 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:14pm - Cindy Anthony's Work (5 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
4:19pm - Anthony Lazzaro (2 minutes to the next call) *Casey's Boyfriend
4:21pm - Jesse Grund (3 minutes to the next call) *Casey's ex-Boyfriend
4:24pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell (8 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother
6:32pm - The Anthony Home (1 minute to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
6:33pm - Voicemail (33 minutes to the next call) *
7:06pm - The Anthony Home (14 minutes to the next call) *Casey's mother and father's house
7:20pm - Amy Huizenga (? anymore calls after that) *Casey's close friend at the time

June 17th's Tuesday's records were not revealed

June 18th Casey's Call Log

12:33pm - The Anthony Home
12:34pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
12:35pm - The Anthony Home
12:36pm - George Anthony Cell
1:09pm - Cindy Anthony's Cell
1:11pm - The Anthony Home

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl street view 232 JP, A, Riccardo- home


Zanny the Nanny is a character in a childrens book-
Double Trouble Squared: A Starbuck Family Adventure, Book One by Kathryn Lasky Excerpt - page 34: "... Zanny the Nanny ….ZANNY DUGGAN had parked a block away and begun to ..." Shadows in the Water: A Starbuck Family Adventure, Book Two by Kathryn Lasky

[kathyn2]

You are very astute and I agree with you about everything.

[Short_Stuff]

I originally thought she left her in the car while partying and she suffocated in the heat.
Now since the cholorform information, I think she drugged her and she overdosed...and she dumped her in water (since they claim they checked the yard and the landfill). Water is the only answer as she no longer had the shovel from the neighbor to dig in a park and would not just throw her on open grass.

[bookworm474]

Seems like some sound ideas here. I wish someone would disprove this from the facts because the one thing that has been proven is that Casey can not control her lying or she has been told to make up stories to confound everyone. If there is a chance someone has Caylee she needs to be found. Sure sounds like a kidnap hoax except for the science aspect. Boils down to the hair science on LE side unless they have a lot more.

Referring to post 328

[FIND'HER]

I have this thought that keeps going through my head, is it possible that Caylee is really with a friend of caseys and they had it all set up to make it look like she was kidnapped/died. What keeps me think this is that JG was in law enforcement he would have known how to help CA to make it look this way.

[Ladytazz]

and the dead body got into the car how? Did JG cover that, too?

[mydailyopinions]

I wish this theory was true. However, I don't think a friend would have held out this long. With the reward money out there, and with the attention, I think a friend would have broke by now..

[jbar]

and the cadaver dogs hit on what again?

[newuser]

Anything 'could' have happened or be happening.

[Chilly Willy]

Why would Casey want to make it look like Caylee was dead? Does she enjoy prison that much?

[Brini]

Maybe Caylee wasn't dead. Maybe Casey just thought she was and put her in the truck, where she later died.

THAT is what concerns me! I'm a nurse. "Dead" people are can often be resuscitated, or sometimes come back, on their own.

How did KC know she was dead? She is not a physician.

[DAWN TREADER]

Just a friendly FYI there is a thread for "theories" here:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67854

[swa]

1. Cadaver Dogs

2. Decomposing Body in Trunk (The last I checked -- Glade doesn't make a plug-in this scent)

3. DNA


Any more questions?

[Brini]

Believe it or not this is the first I have heard of this case.

What about the new lead that a woman saw this child at the Orlando Apt July 2nd? could this woman be mistaken?

A lot of the leads haqve been "not credible," or mistaken. A lot of two or three year olds look a lot alike. AND, the4 eye finds what the mind seeks.

In summary: yes.

[dcorrigano]

I keep wishing, hoping, maybe even praying.

How do closed adoptions work? Could she have given her away as in Adopted. That information wouldnt be readily available if she did it in another state.

I know it's just wishful thinking, that this child is with someone is loving and caring for her. I know it's unrealistic, but I can hope.

[Chilly Willy]

I keep wishing, hoping, maybe even praying.

How do closed adoptions work? Could she have given her away as in Adopted. That information wouldnt be readily available if she did it in another state.

I know it's just wishful thinking, that this child is with someone is loving and caring for her. I know it's unrealistic, but I can hope.

Casey would rather go to prison for life than admit she put her daughter up for adoption? I don't think so.

[Brini]

:liar::liar:

Hi, new to boards
Caylee's clothing the day she supposedly went missing was a very important and an excellent point. Someone brought this up on another stream. If there is any truth to Mum Cass saying she was left with a nanny of sum sort then the family would not have had this essential info. There are a lot of holes and gaps in the GMA and Mum Cass's stories. The time line seems to be a continual shape shifter. Pity the Detectives and all involved in the investigation the shifting stops and starts are not aiding in finding Caylee. Very problematic.

First 72 hrs in the missing case are crucial but unfortunately not to Mum Cass who played she was doing her own investigation.

She also begged CA for "one more day," when CA decided to call 911.

KC has been all about delay and distract, delay and distract.

[MysteryAddict]

I think Casey killed Caylee to spite Cindy after the arguement overheard by their neighbors on June 15th, but I also think the quickest way to find out the real truth along with all of it's ugly details would be if Casey were to pin anything on Cindy.

If those two psychos could be pit against each other to save their sorry azzes, I believe the truth would flow like a river.

OH, I believe you are right about that!!

[mrdbcooper]

My wife asked me to post this:

KC drugs Caylee...puts her in trunk alive...goes to party...unsavory(gangster-type) friend catches mom stealing from him...takes kid (still alive)...forces mom to dispose of another body...bad guy(s) hold Caylee til mom pays them back.

[Chilly Willy]

My wife asked me to post this:

KC drugs Caylee...puts her in trunk alive...goes to party...unsavory(gangster-type) friend catches mom stealing from him...takes kid (still alive)...forces mom to dispose of another body...bad guy(s) hold Caylee til mom pays them back.

Or:

Casey killed Caylee and put her body in the trunk.

[mrdbcooper]

Or:

Casey killed Caylee and put her body in the trunk.

thanks for the reality check...we're still hoping... for the kid's sake...

[txsvicki]

If Casey was threatened by anyone it would have begun before Caylee even went missing. She had already stolen from family members and told lies in the past according to the documents. Casey could have left during the night and gone to Tony's alone and hid instead of making up some wild story about a nanny, a job, and a script. Casey also would have been physically injured at some point by anyone she owes alot of money. The people she has been involved with must be really nice kids because many people would have already beat the daylights out of her.

[memorylane01]

I have been mulling over this theory for a while. I even attempted to post it and deleted it right away. It is a pretty thin theory, but at this point anything is possible. Please be gentle!!!

What if Caylee was at one of these parties and someone molested her while KC was partying it up. She would not want her to go back to the grandparents - a nurse and an ex-cop - becuase they would be able to figure that out right away. So she asks someone (not buying the "Zanny" person) keep her for a couple of weeks. That is where she is when she is "at work". KC realizes that she cannot keep Caylee away from her parents any longer because they will be suspicious, so she goes to see them father's day weekend. When CA comes back from great grandparents, she unleashes the wrath on KC becuase she discovered what had happened (this would be the secret everyone is trying to hide and the big blow out the neighbor heard). CA threatens to take custody. KC storms out WITH Caylee. She takes her back to the friends until she can figure out what to do next . In the meantime everything else starts to blow up. She thinks she has everything figured out... her and Tony looking for a new place....so she goes to get her daughter and there is noone there. She runs out of gas trying to find her... she tries hiding at Amy's because she doesn't want mom and dad to know that someone took off with Caylee, but CA finds her and brings her home then makes the 911 call....

Like I said, it is thin. The decomp and chloroform could have been the person who did it, and it could have been after the fact. Whoever the friend was that has Caylee, may have realized what a mess this was becoming and took off with Caylee to keep her from going to CA and GA in the event that she was going to jail for the forgery/theft. I wonder if Amy would have pressed charges if Caylee had not come up missing.

I am on the fence about her being dead or alive. Most people are so fast to judge with the assumption that someone is a bad person. I am NOT defending KC in any way. I know she is a Liar, I know she has mental issues. I guess I choose to be naive and think there is a glimmer of hope that of all of the crappy things she has done, that killing the only person who loved her no matter what is not one of them.

[Brini]

My updated theory:

Casey is a sociopath and has Borderline Personality Disorder. The family has known for years that Casey is mentally ill and incapable of taking care of herself. Tensions between Cindy and Casey escalated and Casey was thrown out of the house or left on her own accord. There was no "vacation" as Cindy alludes to. Casey stayed with various friends including the boyfriend. Caylee was left in the trunk for some time decomposing. I believe at one time Casey may have buried or tried to bury her in the parent’s backyard but moved her. Both dogs targeted the backyard. The neighbor saw Casey BACK the car up to the garage, very suspicious, especially since she was no longer living there. The parent's shed was broken into and gas cans stolen. Casey borrowed a shovel. HELLO? All during the time her daughter was supposedly kidnapped and Casey was searching for Zenida in bars. Casey may have had something to do with the robbery of 'A' Zenida Gonzales or knew who did or picked this name from the story ran in the papers and internet afterwards. I would be curious if this SAME Zenida was the one that inquired about the apartment rental.

My prediction is that within 2 weeks, the evidence against Casey will be processed and she will be charged with murder. They may choose to conduct a search for the body at that time, but I have a feeling Casey will fess up and state it was an accident. So there you have it. Plain and simple. Just another mentally disturbed human being in a dysfunctional family that may have acted in a rage against her mother or simply was not mentally equipped with raising a child on her own and may even have left her or locked her in that trunk of the car while she went out to party or killed her daugher and hid her ther for some time afterwards. There are NO kidnappers; NO drug deals gone bad, NO mafia, etc. Just a troubled young woman who has already exerted signs of mental illness and a family (no mother) who is in deep denial. I believe the father as stated knew his daughter has something to do with this crime.

I agree with almost all of what you said. In addition, I think that KC suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder. At least three Axis II disorders, in any case.

I hope you are right about your two week prediction!

Though Sociopathic Personality Disorder is in the DSM, I think of it as a deficiency, rather than a metal illness. The two tragedies are; 1) There are so MANY Axis II sufferers, and, 2) None of them have, to date, a really effective treatment regimen.

[Brini]

Or:

Casey killed Caylee and put her body in the trunk.

Nice summary, CW! Says it all.

[robotdog]

gasoline fumes killed her

perhaps on purpose

[TURBOTHINK]

My wife asked me to post this:

KC drugs Caylee...puts her in trunk alive...goes to party...unsavory(gangster-type) friend catches mom stealing from him...takes kid (still alive)...forces mom to dispose of another body...bad guy(s) hold Caylee til mom pays them back.

Good movie plot, but never happened............Caylee's hair and scalp with death rings would not be in the trunk. It would be someone else's hair with death rings. The ONE thing LE has been emphatic about is it IS CAYLEE'S hair and there WERE death rings..............they have never waivered on that one.

[TURBOTHINK]

Or:

Casey killed Caylee and put her body in the trunk.

I agree but am not convinced yet GA didn't have something to do with it and all these other tales from her and her psycho family are nothing but distractions to throw off LE.

[TURBOTHINK]

I am on the fence about her being dead or alive. Most people are so fast to judge with the assumption that someone is a bad person. I am NOT defending KC in any way. I know she is a Liar, I know she has mental issues. I guess I choose to be naive and think there is a glimmer of hope that of all of the crappy things she has done, that killing the only person who loved her no matter what is not one of them.

I believe the hair evidence diminishes the probability of that theory. I believe they have a LOT more evidence in this case, and I agree she may have been molested in the past, because the molestation unit is involved. I believe there is a LOT we are not privy to YET.

[diane952]

OH, I believe you are right about that!!

I second that..I really think its inevitible...KC will turn on Cindy..The respective attorneys will work on defending thier "Clients: and this fiasco is going to get even more absurd.........of course that doesnt guarentee the "truth", but it sure will be fascinarting..(in a sick sort of way).

I wish they would find this precious little girl..

[monoxide]

Call me an idiot. But what is a molestation unit?

[TURBOTHINK]

...further...George lists the address for Global Security Partners as his employer. I haven't heard what his job responsiblities were. Was he on a fixed schedule yet? Was he in a position to be mobile w/o causing suspicion? I haven't seen any information on George's location being fixed by another witness 7/15 after the car pick-up. He seems to vanish except for the intermittent calls to/from family members.

IIRC...........George started that job July 15th and was not working previously. Then he said on TV he was fired.

My suspicions have always led me right back to George on the day Caylee disappeared. He said her and Casey were there, but we only have his word for it. Even Casey has not said that.

We KNOW that Caylee was with Cindy at the nursing home and her mother's on that Sunday..........but no one has accounted for the next morning except George. Cindy said she heard "them" in the bedroom before she left for work, but Casey (according to Tony and his roomate) spent that night at Tony's. Cindy said she tucked "them" in the night before...........bull crap.......Casey was not even there.

How do we KNOW that Casey ever came home that day at all?

[TURBOTHINK]

Call me an idiot. But what is a molestation unit?

It is a unit with the sheriff's department which specializes in molestation and abuse. They have their own detectives who are accustomed to dealing with small children. I have noticed their detectives have been involved in this since day one too. I have wondered if they had been called in before any of this came out. That information would be sealed except to LE because of the child.

[diane952]

Forgive me if this has already been addressed but what about the fact the Goerge is "retired LE". Do we know any details of this..Does it really make sense that a guy as young as George would retire from LE and then work as a security guard to make ends meet and go broke in the process? I have wondered about his work history.

[TURBOTHINK]

Forgive me if this has already been addressed but what about the fact the Goerge is "retired LE". Do we know any details of this..Does it really make sense that a guy as young as George would retire from LE and then work as a security guard to make ends meet and go broke in the process? I have wondered about his work history.

According to Cindy's brother Rick - he was NOT retired. He lost his job with the Ohio Sheriff's dept for some reason unknown even to the family. He then went to work for two more companies and filed workman comp claims on both of them. He said he was hurt on both jobs. One was a pest control company.

[treeseeker]

It's been posted on another thread here that in FL the child abuse and molestation depts. are one unit. Casey is facing child abuse charges, for negligence I believe.

[diane952]

According to Cindy's brother Rick - he was NOT retired. He lost his job with the Ohio Sheriff's dept for some reason unknown even to the family. He then went to work for two more companies and filed workman comp claims on both of them. He said he was hurt on both jobs. One was a pest control company.

That makes more sense..I wish people would stop referring to him as "retired LE"..It makes him sound more important than he is/was.

[TURBOTHINK]

It's been posted on another thread here that in FL the child abuse and molestation depts. are one unit. Casey is facing child abuse charges, for negligence I believe.

They have different detectives though and that is why I have been curious about both of the detectives being involved. My question has been has there been any prior investigations done about Caylee? I tend to think there has.

[TURBOTHINK]

I second that..I really think its inevitible...KC will turn on Cindy..The respective attorneys will work on defending thier "Clients: and this fiasco is going to get even more absurd.........of course that doesnt guarentee the "truth", but it sure will be fascinarting..(in a sick sort of way).

I wish they would find this precious little girl..

I believe they all FOUR better get separate attorneys because everyone is going to turn on the others before it is over.

[Baznme]

They have different detectives though and that is why I have been curious about both of the detectives being involved. My question has been has there been any prior investigations done about Caylee? I tend to think there has.


Turbo........can you remember what radio station you heard about the other day where the Univ. of Tenn. was coming back to Orlando?

[TURBOTHINK]

Does anyone remember George stating there was "cleaning fluid" in the trunk of the car? There are some industrial cleaning solvents that use Methyl Chloroform?

http://oehha.ca.gov/air/chronic_rels/pdf/71556.pdf
See section III - Major Uses And Sources.

I do remember that...........I wondered about his statement at the time being strange.........I wondered if he found the chloroform and was trying to cover up in case some had spilled.

[diane952]

And any blood money they have collected so far can go straight to defending themselves. Not that Im glad they have the money for a defense but it sort of poetic justice that the family struggling for money comes in to money after such a tragic nightmare and has to use it on thier defense.. KARMA...there wont be anything left!

[ShouldBWorking]

I believe they all FOUR better get separate attorneys because everyone is going to turn on the others before it is over.

I wish for this but doubt it

[TURBOTHINK]

Turbo........can you remember what radio station you heard about the other day where the Univ. of Tenn. was coming back to Orlando?

No....because I had a rental car and was just listening to the station the car was set on. They started out telling about a murder trial of some guy who shot a teenager who was sleeping with his teacher wife and then went into it about the forensic team. I thought about calling UT, but thought they would not likely give out that information if it was not supposed to be released yet.

[Brini]

IIRC...........George started that job July 15th and was not working previously. Then he said on TV he was fired.

My suspicions have always led me right back to George on the day Caylee disappeared. He said her and Casey were there, but we only have his word for it. Even Casey has not said that.

We KNOW that Caylee was with Cindy at the nursing home and her mother's on that Sunday..........but no one has accounted for the next morning except George. Cindy said she heard "them" in the bedroom before she left for work, but Casey (according to Tony and his roomate) spent that night at Tony's. Cindy said she tucked "them" in the night before...........bull crap.......Casey was not even there.

How do we KNOW that Casey ever came home that day at all?

We don't. G & C "mistruth," just like KC does.:liar::liar::liar::liar:

My guess is that KC stomped out of the house after the fight, and stayed @ Tony's, like her said.

[treeseeker]

They have different detectives though and that is why I have been curious about both of the detectives being involved. My question has been has there been any prior investigations done about Caylee? I tend to think there has.

Possibly, but that information would not be available. However, an offender would be required to register with the local LE. Most likely if the offender was a member of the household, he/she would be required to leave, or the child removed during investigation.

[Baznme]

No....because I had a rental car and was just listening to the station the car was set on. They started out telling about a murder trial of some guy who shot a teenager who was sleeping with his teacher wife and then went into it about the forensic team. I thought about calling UT, but thought they would not likely give out that information if it was not supposed to be released yet.

You were in the Knoxville area at the time?

[TURBOTHINK]

And any blood money they have collected so far can go straight to defending themselves. Not that Im glad they have the money for a defense but it sort of poetic justice that the family struggling for money comes in to money after such a tragic nightmare and has to use it on thier defense.. KARMA...there wont be anything left!

Wouldn't that be fitting? I would love to see it, considering I believe they ALL have tried to keep LE from finding out the truth in this case.

[Brini]

Forgive me if this has already been addressed but what about the fact the Goerge is "retired LE". Do we know any details of this..Does it really make sense that a guy as young as George would retire from LE and then work as a security guard to make ends meet and go broke in the process? I have wondered about his work history.

CA talked him into leaving the force to work in his father's car dealership. CA thought he might inherit. Her dream was quashed when GA threw his father through a plate glass window. Therafter, GA bought a car dealership, of his own. He did not do well, and they lost the house.

[TURBOTHINK]

You were in the Knoxville area at the time?

Yes, I was there Wednesday and Thursday. I think it was Wednesday I heard it and I think they said they were leaving that afternoon or evening. I could be wrong which day though.

[Baznme]

Yes, I was