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PrayersForMaura
07-22-2008, 11:44 PM
I saw that someone posted here http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/live-video-of-c.html#more
that they think Casey may have accidentally left Caylee in the car in the heat and she died and Casey covered it up by burying her in a panic. Hence the awful smell in the car.

What do you think?

Blue_Dolphin308
07-23-2008, 12:47 AM
I think GM did something to caylee and is making casey take the fall.

Beyond Belief
07-23-2008, 01:14 AM
A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.

santos1014
07-23-2008, 03:46 AM
A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.


wow..this just is dejavu of Trenton Duckett isn't it?

Carrington
07-23-2008, 11:30 AM
I'm going with the left in the car theory, and Casey did everything wrong from that point on....

less0305
07-23-2008, 11:33 AM
I saw that someone posted here http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/live-video-of-c.html#more
that they think Casey may have accidentally left Caylee in the car in the heat and she died and Casey covered it up by burying her in a panic. Hence the awful smell in the car.

What do you think?


I think the cadaver dogs only hitting on the trunk would mean that she didn't die accidentally inside the car where the seats are. If that were the case, wouldn't the cadaver dogs have hit on the seats in the car and also in the trunk?

SCAngel
07-23-2008, 11:34 AM
Up until yesterday, I couldn't believe the person in those happy, loving pics of Casey and Caylee together, could murder her child - I thought it was tragically a case of an abusive new boyfriend killing her daughter (that's why she said she wanted immunity and was afraid to say what happened). But after watching Casey in court yesterday, I really and truly believe she killed Caylee in a moment of anger.

Carrington
07-23-2008, 11:36 AM
I think the cadaver dogs only hitting on the trunk would mean that she didn't die accidentally inside the car where the seats are. If that were the case, wouldn't the cadaver dogs have hit on the seats in the car and also in the trunk?

Maybe Caylee wasn't dead. Maybe Casey just thought she was and put her in the truck, where she later died.

less0305
07-23-2008, 11:45 AM
Maybe Caylee wasn't dead. Maybe Casey just thought she was and put her in the truck, where she later died.

That's definately a possibility.

absolut_alexis
07-23-2008, 11:52 AM
I agree. She got in a fight with her mom and wanted to go out with her friends, and she realized that if she didn't have Caylee, she could break all ties with her mom and answer to no one. I think she killed Caylee, tried to bury her, rethought it, and threw the body in the lake.

A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.

soccermom2
07-23-2008, 12:09 PM
OMG...last night as I was laying in bed a vision hit me of Caylee being left in the car accidentally & Casey panicking when she found her & realized she had died. I logged in just now & see the post from last evening about the car theory...blew me away! I also think that she may have tried to bury her at some point but couldn't put the dirt over her face. Casey is obviously a pathological liar, after a month of telling herself she didn't do anything she more than likely believes this in her head. I seriously don't think Cindy knows anything about what happened else wise I believe she would have never suggested going to the police & reporting Caylee missing. Caylee has no father in the picture to explain her absence to so who would question her long term absence?

NewMom2003
07-23-2008, 12:18 PM
Honestly I don't know what to think. I do think Casey killed Caylee. I just don't know if it was on purpose, in a fit of rage, or accidental.

I keep going back and forth on Cindy being part of a cover-up.

I think there is major dysfunction in the Anthony family that directly or indirectly led to Caylee's death.

LI_Mom
07-23-2008, 12:29 PM
It's also possible that Caylee was harmed by one of Casey's unsavory contacts while on the streets.... drugs, alcohol, sex, violence... all or some of these might have been a factor.

After Caylee is hurt or killed, Casey being the flake she is, has no idea what to do... puts her in the trunk & drives around looking for a place to dump her body.

Tries burying her & changes her mind & puts her back into the trunk (thus the smell & the dirt).....

I think Casey then looked for a remote spot where alligators were likely to dispose of her problem.


I don't feel Cindy knew anything at all BEFORE she called police but I suppose it's possible she did.

gaia227
07-23-2008, 12:56 PM
It all goes back to the abandoned car for me. Why would abandon her car? There had to be a reason. I have toyed with the idea she accidently ran over Caylee in the driveway, freaked, did something to the body and abandoned the car out of guilt or because she is scared of evidence being found.
But my gut tells me she killed her in a fit of anger or resentment or she was angry and decided to punish her by putting her in the trunk where she died.

MistyM
07-23-2008, 01:27 PM
i think if it would have been an honest accident with no neglect she would have called an ambulance. there must be an unsavory element to caylee's death. if the cadaver dogs hit on the parent's back yard, she probably tried to hide her there for a while then transported her to another spot. she had her body in the trunk for a while to get the 'stench' going as they called it. i really don't think grandma and grandpa knew about her death at first and i think they know now but are in a state of shock and casey is denying it, and they haven't seen the body so they still believe she might be alive. i think a friend helped her hide caylee. and i think she want's immunity because it was an 'accident' that caylee died, but she knows she's in trouble for hiding it. so she thinks if she can tell the truth she won't get into trouble, and they will 'forgive' her for hiding it and let her go.

example: "i was partying and really drunk and i couldn't find a babysitter so i had caylee in the car, caylee died in the heat, i freaked out and was too scared to tell my parents and i didn't know what to do so i put the baby in the back yard for a while, then i took her and put her out in the bushes/pond/lake somewhere. it was an accident but i was scared, so that's what happened can i please go now? it wasn't my fault i'm sorry that i lied and hid it but i was scared."

ember
07-23-2008, 02:39 PM
Could she have been sold?

We know Casey is unstable and wants to party..maybe her daughter cramped her style so she waited until her parents were gone and sold her, we know she could use the money....I dunno...just thinking out loud....but it might explain why Casey won't talk about it...and why there might be sightings of Caylee with someone else....

I sure hope that little beauty isn't dead....and I don't understand why her momma is keeping mum. If it were my child missing, I'd be shouting everything I know from the rooftops!

Sadly, I think if she is dead the GM knows this and is doing all she can to cover for her daughter. She's already lost one of her girls and is trying to salvage the other...at the expense of her granddaughter...sad.
IMO, the GM is unstable and on the wrong side.
If Casey was my daughter, I'd be visitng her everyday just to shake the chit out of her until she told me where that baby is. I don't understand why she is condoning Casey's silence and refusal to help. Boogles the mind. Do they all think so little of that precious baby?!

michelle
07-23-2008, 02:56 PM
If Casey was my daughter, I'd be visitng her everyday just to shake the chit out of her until she told me where that baby is. !You and me both!

Nedthan Johns
07-23-2008, 03:32 PM
The mother killed her accidently (neglect) and the grandmother is covering. The child at one point was buried in the grandmothers back yard but has been since moved.

Luzer
07-23-2008, 04:46 PM
When I first heard this story, I felt Caylee died in the custody of Casey and she stayed away from her parents for 5 weeks to avoid having to tell them of the tragedy.

Now, with the Father's Day tape coming out where Cindy had seen Caylee on June 15, but Cindy stating before that the last day she had seen Caylee was June 9, and the lawyer stating that Casey can't state who has Caylee because Casey needs to save that for her defense, maybe Cindy was the one who had Caylee when she died. Or, Cindy and Casey both know exactly how Caylee died. The other thing to keep in consideration is Casey borrowing the shovel while her parents are gone. I think Caylee had been buried at the parent's place initially and Casey moved the body when she borrowed the shovel. She then disposed of the body again. This would explain why the cadaver dog hit at the parents' yard and also the car. Remember, they found hair, dirt and a stain in the car trunk. The hair would probably come lose pretty easily after decomposition sets in. Then, Casey abandons the car at the parking lot. (Did Cindy instruct her to plant the car somewhere it could be stolen, but it wasn't and instead impounded?)

I am beginning to believe Cindy sounds and acts like Susan Smith did in the first few days after she killed he sons. It really makes more and more sense that Casey and Cindy both know exactly what happened to Caylee.

Carrington
07-23-2008, 05:01 PM
Luzer, wouldn't surprise me none if the keys weren't in it.
IMO

mrs.kravitz
07-23-2008, 06:35 PM
[quote=ember;2409551]Could she have been sold?

We know Casey is unstable and wants to party..maybe her daughter cramped her style so she waited until her parents were gone and sold her, we know she could use the money....I dunno...just thinking out loud....but it might explain why Casey won't talk about it...and why there might be sightings of Caylee with someone else....

Maybe, but then who's dead body was in the trunk? This case is crazy. I wanted to like the gma, but she's nuts and looking more guilty of something by the minute. I wanted to think maybe Casey sold or gave her daughter to someone, but it goes back to the physical evidence...there was putridine and cadavertine in the trunk of Casey's car. If Caylee's not dead, whose dead body was in that trunk? Because unless that pizza was made with human body parts that degraded into recognizable amino acids, someone's body was definitely in there.

Another thing that bothers me...George is a retired deputy, no? Wouldn't he know that cadaver dogs wouldn't get too worked up over pizza? Wouldn't he know that the smell of death is unique to itself and undeniable from a scientific standpoint?

bookbakery
07-23-2008, 07:36 PM
I think GM did something to caylee and is making casey take the fall.

I, too, believe that Cindy killed Caylee ...... //////

editing/changing what I think since I've read more. Casey drinks and does drugs? The people she is in contact with to buy drugs are criminals, some who have been in prison. Drug dealers and drug addicts are 2 completely different critters. Drug dealers are heartless criminals who prey on anyone. Also, what kind of drugs is Casey using? Caylee most likely was killed by someone that Casey was around. Casey may not have seen who killed her daughter or how, but she was responsible because she put Caylee in the position of contact with these types of people. She felt guilty because she directly or indirectly caused Caylee's death.

I'm sure she abandoned the car after getting rid of Caylee. She was trying to separate herself from this tragedy of her doing.

Nocgirl
07-23-2008, 08:25 PM
Believe it or not this is the first I have heard of this case.

What about the new lead that a woman saw this child at the Orlando Apt July 2nd? could this woman be mistaken?

CheckDaFacts
07-23-2008, 10:27 PM
:liar::liar:

Hi, new to boards
Caylee's clothing the day she supposedly went missing was a very important and an excellent point. Someone brought this up on another stream. If there is any truth to Mum Cass saying she was left with a nanny of sum sort then the family would not have had this essential info. There are a lot of holes and gaps in the GMA and Mum Cass's stories. The time line seems to be a continual shape shifter. Pity the Detectives and all involved in the investigation the shifting stops and starts are not aiding in finding Caylee. Very problematic.

First 72 hrs in the missing case are crucial but unfortunately not to Mum Cass who played she was doing her own investigation.

jeepgirlva
07-23-2008, 10:43 PM
I think casey wanted to party and gave Kaylee drugs to sleep put her in the trunk to keep her somewhat safe and that poor baby could have woke up and try to get out and she cut her hand or her head causing blood possible suffocate in the trunk of the car. this just breaks my heart

CheckDaFacts
07-23-2008, 10:55 PM
[quote=ember;2409551]Could she have been sold?

Another thing that bothers me...George is a retired deputy, no? Wouldn't he know that cadaver dogs wouldn't get too worked up over pizza? Wouldn't he know that the smell of death is unique to itself and undeniable from a scientific standpoint?


Receipts for spending would aid in your first thought. Since GMA continued in providing funds to her Mum daughter Cass, did she also provide her with a credit card? Or did she no longer trust her period? We now know that is not true. GMA spoke of a broken heart, that break was over in my opinion not being able to see Caylee, she was very attached to Caylee, very strong attachment. GMA is shielding her daughter Cass to a fault, her son Lee spoke of NO OBLIGATION TO SHARE FAMILY MATTERS EVEN WITH OTHER RELATIVES. Their united but its not assisting Caylee. Mum Cass is a grown woman with an attorney to protect her paid for by GMA & GPA. Caylee is the real victim not Mum Cass not that we know of.

Your second comment on GPA's experience should be a resounding YES if he was ever exposed to a DOA? I know he allegedly retired in 89 and I have no idea how long he served. DNA as we know on this case is not yet back. :cop:

Sword'sMan
07-23-2008, 10:57 PM
Interesting ideas and theories here! But, why would she abandon a car she supposedly did something bad to her child with in front of a financial place open 24/7/ with security cameras present? Wouldn't you abandon it somewhere not to be found so easily? And, why abandon it just for running out of gas?! That makes no sense...as does most of this case.

txsvicki
07-23-2008, 11:05 PM
After seeing Casey's Mom on tv and reading about Casey's lying, I believe that the Mom knows that the baby is most likely deceased since there is a smell of human flesh decay in the vehicle. She seems to now be trying to protect her daughter by saying that she was also a good mom for those couple of years. Anyone who is said to be a chronic liar by random men and who lies this much is severely mentally ill. Casey's Mom probably did know there were some problems and was trying to oversee her daughter like any decent mother. There were probably so many lies that Casey's parents may not have even realized over the years.

CheckDaFacts
07-23-2008, 11:11 PM
Your so right about this case making no sense. How many of us on an empty tank hope we run out of gas in a parking lot? She was so lucky? Why didn't her friend that picked her up think to go for gas also? What was their conversation about this issue? Maybe she intentionally ran the car dry and wanted the car left where it would be found? Maybe when GMA said police arrested her to quickly she implied more than she knew. Mum Cass may have been still involved in constructing her story line. She is a chronic liar and like chronic liars they often want to be saved aka caught. GMA was always her Saviour she fits in perfectly. Parents would be ntfd of car which was registered to them/

CheckDaFacts
07-23-2008, 11:22 PM
Mum Cass had a solid history of lying and stealing from her parents but GMA is her enabler. Its a torrid affair of denials and forgiving with a whole lot of anger between them over trusting. GMA is doing what she does the best rescuing and manipulating for hopeful compliance, which has semi worked in the past. My opinion is Mum Cass is afraid to tell on herself hence she is being made to appear as a victim by family and naturally the hired defense attorney. She needs to stop being a cowering child and be the woman parent she is suppose to be. Tell the truth for Caylee's sake as a loving mother would.

ShinaLite
07-24-2008, 02:07 AM
Ok this is not going to be easy to write out because of course it's disturbing to even think about but I want to give the theory I am thinking may have occurred..

I believe somewhere around June 24-27 she got really frustrated with dealing with Caylee...She interfered with her partying lifestyle..I dont think it was planned...I think it was a moment of frustration where she either hit her to hard or possibly suffocated her to stop her from crying...I dont know where this occurred...could be the GMs house or somewhere she was staying. The scent in the backyard makes me think it started there in the GM's home..at the same time, I could see that after she realized what happened, that she killed her own daughter, she may have fled to the place she felt the safest (GM's) so not sure on the "where" this occurred... But I do think this is where it either occurred or the first place she immediately took Caylees body...I think she thought of the backyard to "hide" her...I think this is why the dogs picked up something there and why there was dirt in the car...I am guessing it will match with the dirt in thier backyard...I think she then suddenly realized this would be too close or maybe to hard to conceal and then put her in the trunk and drove...I think she ended up hiding the body a good hour or so away...a lot of stuff points to tallahassee so it may be in that direction she took...she may have had some truth in the lie she told her mom in one of the calls about going in that direction..I do see a lot of her friends have connections there..somewhere along the way of going there is where i think they will find Caylee...
After a night or two at most in that area, she came back to Orlando and abandoned the car on or about June 27...So in a nutshell my feeling is June 24-27 is going to be a big part of when something happened!!

Leila
07-24-2008, 03:02 AM
I believe Caylee is deceased and only Casey is responsible for her daughter's death, whether it's accidental or intentional.

I think Casey initially waited for a time when she knew both her parents would be gone for a period of hours and buried Caylee in the parent's backyard. A few days later, I think Casey had second thoughts, worried that she didn't bury the body deep enough and the body would be found. I think she returned a few days later to exhume the body and move it to another location. By the time she exhumed Caylee's body, decomposition had begun, and in the time it took to transport the the body, the odor in the car became overwhelming.

After Casey disposed of the body in another location. she abandoned the car, perhaps in the hope that it would be stolen or stripped (I'd like to know if the car was unlocked when she left it which would facilitate theft).

I don't think George and Cindy knew what had happened until they retrieved the abandoned car and learned from Casey that Caylee is missing. They either know or suspect the truth. But, Cindy is the dominating member of the family and has elected to ignore the truth in order to try to save her daughter from a murder conviction. George and Lee seem helpless but to go along with Cindy. The fact that they immediately retained a criminal defense attorney (instead of a civil law attorney for advise) is evidence that they know.

gitana1
07-24-2008, 05:29 AM
I believe that Casey brutally murdered her daughter. No accident except in that she could have been physically abusing her and it went too far. But, no accidental locking in cars, purposeful drugging that back fired, no slip or fall. I think this for a couple of reasons. 1st, casey's demeanor upon being arrested was so damn cold. It did remind me, as someone pointed out, of Diane Downs who killed her daughter and almost killed her two other children because she wanted to be free to date some dude. It also strongly reminded me of the mother of Baby Grace. Just cocky, arrogant and could not give a *#@! that her daughter was missing. If it was a true accident, she would seem different to me. 2nd, what I no longer see posted very much anymore are the facts of the case when it first broke and what led to GMA calling the police. Those facts are that after Casey moved out with Caylee, whenever that was, GMA kept trying to see Caylee or speak with her on the phone, for weeks, but Casey kept having excuses for whay Caylee was unavailable. That worried GMA. Then, after forcing the issue, Casey could not produce the child, so GMA felt "something was not quite right" and called the cops. Prior to the call, GMA posted an angry myspace message about how Caylee was missing (post date 7-3-08) and that it was all due to jealousy. I feel that Casey was jealous over GMA's bond with Caylee and possibly the attention to Caylee, etc. Also GMA seems like a very overbearing, spiteful person. So, to get back at mom, Casey takes away Caylee, prompting GMA's my space message. I think Casey likely has several personality disorders and is a sociapathic spoiled brat who later harmed the child to hurt her own mother and also because she disliked the child. Revenge and hate, whether consciously or not. I think she may have acted nicely towards the child prior to this because she was being watched and was acting how she thought she should. When she was alone for a long period with Caylee, it was a different matter. I do not think GMA or anyone else harmed the kid. But, Casey is a product of her mother. Cindy seems like what I call a "crazy lady" - very difficult, out there with her own personality disorders. She almost reminds me of a Munchausen by proxy type. Her daughter became the way she is as a result of Cindy. Now, Cindy is trying to protect her daughter and squirm away from what happened. She cannot face it for several reasons and is trying desperately to cover it up. She also likely knows much more than she is saying. I think she is lying now and should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. But, I also hope no one shuts her up because the more she blabs, the more we can find out about her duaghter, the family dynamics and ultimately, about what happened to that precious little girl. This is just my opinion based on what I have seen so far.

Angel4Alpha
07-24-2008, 06:03 AM
Your so right about this case making no sense. How many of us on an empty tank hope we run out of gas in a parking lot? She was so lucky? Why didn't her friend that picked her up think to go for gas also?

How do we know she was who driving the car when it was left there and that a friend picked her up? Have you seen that said anywhere?

bookbakery
07-24-2008, 07:16 AM
I believe that Casey brutally murdered her daughter. <snip> myspace message about how Caylee was missing (post date 7-3-08) and that it was all due to jealousy. I feel that Casey was jealous over GMA's bond with Caylee and possibly the attention to Caylee, etc. Also GMA seems like a very overbearing, spiteful person. So, to get back at mom, Casey takes away Caylee, prompting GMA's my space message. I think Casey likely has several personality disorders and is a sociapathic spoiled brat who later harmed the child to hurt her own mother and also because she disliked the child. <snip>

If Casey was jealous of the bond that Cindy had with Caylee, what could have set off Casey was Caylee's many requests to see CiCi (GMA). Casey is early 20's and immature... used to having her overbearing mother enable and rescue her (Casey) from Casey's responsibilities, so Casey isn't growing up any time soon. If Caylee was persistent in asking for her GMA, this could have enraged Casey to the point that Casey "disciplined" her and could have been drunk (see her photos at photobucket), lost her inhibition and accidentally went too far, thus killing Caylee. GMA couldn't help her out because this would cause GMA to be enraged with Casey.

Casey hasn't been taught how to properly handle her emotions (overbearing mothers rarely let their children express their emotions), hence the nonchalant attitude Casey had at her arrest. Also, Casey had had time to process Caylee's death. Casey probably has severe trauma PTSD from accidentally murdering her child, burying her, digging her up, disposing of her body and now sitting in jail by herself without her friends, her boyfriend and her alcohol. None of her family have visited her. Maybe none of her friends have either. Her second album at photobucket has many pictures that she obviously found on the Internet. Some are telling, like a child (Casey) being abandoned, or being the odd child out... so she is hanging on to these "friends" where the guys grope the girls, the girls wear revealing clothing, all drink beer, all give off those finger gang signs... Casey trying to fit in somewhere. Anywhere to get away from her mother and her conflict between wanting Caylee to love her over her mother, but not wanting to raise her totally alone (or not believing she can).. no telling what positive enforcements she missed out on during her development years. GRM appears to want to be Caylee's mother or at the very least the center of Caylee's life, thus shutting out Casey. The entire family is dysfunctional.

Even if it was by Casey's hand, Cindy is to blame, too, by enabling Casey. She knew that Casey was a chronic drinker (alcoholic?), loved to party and not a suitable parent (not that Cindy is either, but that's another story). She gave Casey a car to drive and money to use/drink and hang out with her friends. Cindy liked the control, maybe.. and didn't force Casey to get a job to support herself, thus keeping her child-like so Cindy could keep Caylee, which led to intense jealousy, which led to Caylee's death.

The last thing LE wants is for Casey and Cindy to get together alone. Keeping them apart... hoping one will break. It is usually the weaker one, so that would be Casey.... but she has an attorney paid for by her parents.. so we go 'round and 'round.

BethInAK
07-24-2008, 01:38 PM
I think that Casey has a serious drug problem.
She either killed Caylee (accidentally or in a rage) or she sold her for drugs. The first option is obviously more likely.
Its also obvious that boty Cindy and Casey are habitual liars - something wong there.

KOOL LOOK
07-24-2008, 06:24 PM
Hi to all our new posters and those who have been here and lurk. The posts are informative and full of great theories. Good jobs.

The proof is in the details that we can fit together as we know the facts and truths. Minus the lies, but keep considering the lies as there is truth in those also.

The month long behavior is very telling. The car being abandoned due to supposed running out of gas. Not notifying proper authorities or the family. The actions and words of those involved now. It's very telling to me. This case is another one of those that's gonna go down in the history books as an eye opener. I don't believe another case will parrell the dynamics here.

Casey and Cindy are interesting characters. Their behaviors actions and words leave much to question and figure out.

I sadly believe Caylee is no longer alive. I believe she is bured somewhere. I believe she possibly had been buried at her parents backyard at some time for a short period of time and moved due to paranoia.

I don't think Caylee has been sold. Just no evidence to support that theory in my opinion. Plus we have evidence pointing to death and hidden coverups.

I fully believe Cindy is covering up now, also protecting Casey, I believe she has been cooperative, then combative and un-cooperative. Thus both mother and daughter hindering this investigation.

I think we need to trust and believe in the eye witnesses and their testimonies as to what we're learning about the comings and goings, and these womens personalties. It reveals and says alot.

I theroize either Caysee was tired of a child to contend with, getting in her way, taking the spotlight of attention and hurt/nurdered her out of anger and jealousy. Caysee is very manipulative, a conniver in my eyes.

I personally don't like what I've seen in Cindy either. She is over bearing, controlling and combative. Caylee has suffered due to both of their actions while she lives, I really beleived that.

Little Caylee was played and pulled between these two arguing combative women. She got caught in the middle of a festering highly volitile family dynamic, that she was born into.

The Father of Caylee, who hasn't been named is so telling to me also. It makes me angry learning the facts concerning this childs life and how some have been treated by Caysee and Cindy. They don't appear to have respect for anyone, even authority figures.

I do believe this case will be solved, prosecuted and justice served though. Great job sleuthers and posters, this is a well maintained forum and makes one proud to be a part of it.

Salem
07-24-2008, 09:24 PM
Okay - this is a little off the wall and is entirely speculation, as you will see.

What if.... someone named Zenedia really has Caylee? What if someone else was in that car. Say Casey got herself into some kind of mess. A friend OD's on drugs, a friend kills someone else in her presence, she kills someone else and in exchange for covering it up or making Casey keep her mouth shut, they take Caylee?

Bit of a conspiracy theory, just doesn't involve the Government :).

This is not what I think happened, but I am a bit intriqued by the airport sighting. At this point, I am pretty much discounting it. Apparently LE said they would release the composite providing the tip proved creditable. Soooooo.... sounds like LE did have a composite drawn up but they are not going to release it until they check the flight manifests, times, dates, etc. and can conclude that there is a definite possibility that Caylee was on that plane.

Anyway, just a thought.....

Salem

lilpony
07-24-2008, 10:12 PM
Ok, I just right started reading about this tragedy. So Casey is the mother. Then who is Cindy, is she Casey's sister?

lilywhite
07-24-2008, 10:30 PM
Ok, I just right started reading about this tragedy. So Casey is the mother. Then who is Cindy, is she Casey's sister?

Cindy is Casey's mom, Casey is Caylee's mom, making Cindy Caylee's grandmother.

Have a look around at some of the sticky threads and you'll get caught up fast.

pjsmommy
07-25-2008, 09:43 AM
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Just wanted to say hello, I have literally read here everyday for YEARS but never could register because of an AOL email address. Anyways, this case finally prompted me to do something. I look forward to joining this community with you all and discussing, for now, I just had a quick thought regarding Caylee. Early on, in one of the television interviews (maybe have been with Greta, or Nancy Grace) the grandma was talking about the shed being locked....
when she was explaining that Casey would have used a shovel to remove bamboo, something else she said has stuck with me ever since, something about there are safety rules in this house, everything is child proofed, there is a rule about the ladder in the pool, it is never to be left on the pool??? Something like that, forgive me for sounding rambling, but has anyone brought that up? like maybe caylee drowned in their pool? Have the cops checked that? Maybe thats why they would smell that in the backyard, then she was moved later? casey may have freaked out that she left her daughter out there alone or something? Just a thought, and nice to meet you all, I'm Julie
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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe




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Did I miss the pool in the back yard, I went back to look for the pictures of the backyard search and could not find them,I don't remember seeing the pool.pjsmommy (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=22254) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_online.gif
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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe


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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe

This to me is a highly possible scenario! If this is what happened, I can even have a bit of compassion with Casey, although I can't understand why she would continue to hide the truth.
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Faenorwyn
07-25-2008, 10:46 AM
A theory has come up on another thread (by PJSMOMMY) which is very interesting and several of us think it has some strong possibilities! There is a pool at the Anthony home. Cindy has said that they are very careful as far as family safety is concerned (locking the sheds, making sure the pool ladder is up, etc.). Well it's possible that while Cindy and George were out of town (anyone know the dates?) that Casey and Caylee were in the home. Somehow Caylee drowned in the pool (perhaps Casey left the ladder on after a party?) and when Casey found her, she panicked. She laid her inside the playhouse while she tried to compose herself or figure out what to do. Casey went over and borrowed a shovel from the neighbors, attempted to bury her daughter and when she determined she couldn't, she then moved her into the trunk. It's possible that she rode around for a few days, not quite sure what to do next. At some point she dumps the body or buries the body, then takes the car to the parking lot, calls her boyfriend and the rest is history.

To me it seems reasonable and here's why:

- alot of us have trouble seeing how she could intentionally kill Caylee because she did seem (from pictures, reports from friends, etc.) to love her daughter. with this theory, it's accidental and she just panics.

- it would explain the shovel as well as the decomp smell in the yard and car

- it seems to fit into Casey's personallity and lifestyle (immature, irresponsible, possibly she was drunk or had a hangover)

*This is all an opinion and just one possible scenario of what could have happened*

Faenorwyn
07-25-2008, 10:47 AM
LOL PJSMOMMY.....looks like we both posted at the same time haha!

pjsmommy
07-25-2008, 10:54 AM
LOL PJSMOMMY.....looks like we both posted at the same time haha!
Thanks Fae, I started to copy and paste the whole conversation, but got stopped saying it was too long. So i gave up. Hopefully we'll have some answers at some point!

newshound81
07-25-2008, 11:17 AM
Hi all. I post on Websleuths, but haven't posted in Caylee's thread yet.

I think Caylee's age may play a role in this case. She is two going on three, the time when toddlers learn "no" and start defying their parents. Maybe Casey was able to handle Caylee better when she was a cute baby who didn't talk.

But then the time came when she actually had to start being a real mother, pottytraining Caylee, teaching her words, new skills, etc. But all Casey wanted to do was be 22 and go out and do whatever. She has a strange relationship with her own mother, so instead of taking Cindy up on her offer to care for Caylee, she decides to punish her and break free of her restraints and suffocate or beat Caylee to death, most likely on a night where she wanted to go out.

I think since she killed Caylee, Casey has disassociated from what she's done. It's kind of like some of the very young teenage girls who give birth in public toilets or at their proms and leave the babies to die. Somehow, a switch in them turns off and they deny to themselves what they did.

pjsmommy
07-25-2008, 11:38 AM
Hi all. I post on Websleuths, but haven't posted in Caylee's thread yet.

I think Caylee's age may play a role in this case. She is two going on three, the time when toddlers learn "no" and start defying their parents. Maybe Casey was able to handle Caylee better when she was a cute baby who didn't talk.

But then the time came when she actually had to start being a real mother, pottytraining Caylee, teaching her words, new skills, etc. But all Casey wanted to do was be 22 and go out and do whatever. She has a strange relationship with her own mother, so instead of taking Cindy up on her offer to care for Caylee, she decides to punish her and break free of her restraints and suffocate or beat Caylee to death, most likely on a night where she wanted to go out.

I think since she killed Caylee, Casey has disassociated from what she's done. It's kind of like some of the very young teenage girls who give birth in public toilets or at their proms and leave the babies to die. Somehow, a switch in them turns off and they deny to themselves what they did.

There is most definitely a huge diffference from a baby to a 2 year old, i'm dealing with it myself right now, but to me I love it. I love watching my son learn something new everyday, and never once have i thought of him as a burden, but i do know some parents who would think so. It's just so darn sad, i still can't wrap my head around Casey doing this intentionally.

maza
07-25-2008, 12:11 PM
Wildly speculating:

Casey's brother Lee or an uncle or a family friend is the bio-father.
Casey has been extorting $$ from her family.
She told her parents that gave Caylee to someone and they can't see her until they cough up money. (I'd say 50% chance she was never given to anyone, but was killed.)
When GM first heard about she called the cops, but now she has changed her story because Casey didn't crack.

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07-25-2008, 03:52 PM
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Just wanted to say hello, I have literally read here everyday for YEARS but never could register because of an AOL email address. Anyways, this case finally prompted me to do something. I look forward to joining this community with you all and discussing, for now, I just had a quick thought regarding Caylee. Early on, in one of the television interviews (maybe have been with Greta, or Nancy Grace) the grandma was talking about the shed being locked....
when she was explaining that Casey would have used a shovel to remove bamboo, something else she said has stuck with me ever since, something about there are safety rules in this house, everything is child proofed, there is a rule about the ladder in the pool, it is never to be left on the pool??? Something like that, forgive me for sounding rambling, but has anyone brought that up? like maybe caylee drowned in their pool? Have the cops checked that? Maybe thats why they would smell that in the backyard, then she was moved later? casey may have freaked out that she left her daughter out there alone or something? Just a thought, and nice to meet you all, I'm Julie
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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe




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I think that this is what happened too. iN MY OPINION, I think she was drinking and got side tracked/left her unattended, or fell sleep and the baby fell in the pool and couldn't get out.

I'm not sure where the dogs hit. Anyone know? I think I recall that it was around the playhouse. If so, then she could have put the body there. Or laid the baby out on the ground, borrowed the shovel with the intention of burying her, got half way through, and realized that mom and dad would be home soon and want to know where the baby was and why there was a fresh hole in the yard. She may have hidden the body in the trunk to get it out of sight.

If the baby was in the pool dead long enough, I would think that decomp would set in and would leave more of a trace on the ground and the trunk. Does anyone know if a freshly dead body will leave a "stench" on the lawn if, say, she was trying to do CPR for a few minutes?

In my opinion, it is too unlikely that a child is missing and there was a decomposing smell of someone other than the missing child in the yard and the trunk. I hate to say it, but I believe something bad happened to that child.

THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY.

my2cents
07-25-2008, 03:59 PM
Also, IIRC, wasn't there a flower bed type thing near the playhouse? I think I recall seeing that on tv when the dogs were there? I think it had shrubs and pine straw in it?

I find it likely that she may have removed the pine straw thinking that she could bury her there and replace the pinestraw and it would not be as noticable. Maybe the roots prevented her from burying her, so she had to put her in the trunk.

maza
07-25-2008, 05:02 PM
this seems very plausible. explains some of the weird statements by Grandma after the fact with regard to Casey being afraid to tell her things. also, i would guess Grandpa might have been completely in the dark which would explain his bewilderment.

(this is a reply to the previous post)

packerdog
07-26-2008, 11:18 AM
I wonder if Casey put caylee in the trunk, telling her it was a game so that she could go out and party. She could have given her some pizza to eat while in the trunk. When Casey opened the trunk she was dead. Reason the pizza was in the trunk. I would have thought if she purchased pizza any remains would be in the car. Why put it in the trunk instead of throwing it in a garbage some where.

Straitfan
07-28-2008, 11:31 PM
Wondering if Casey left her in trunk, hence the smell and knew others would notice so she placed trash in the trunk hoping to cover up the odor, after realizing it wasn't getting rid of the oder, she abandoned the car. Does anyone know if she was in fact staying with parents then left and took the car when they were on vacation?

As for the Gma, I don't think she knew anything even now except that she may believe Caylee is deceased and cant admit to herself as it would overwhelm her right now. Her brother, to me anyway, sounded as if he is trying to pry info out of Casey, acting "as if he is on her side" to make her trust him and give him info. I think the whole family at this point, though wanting to hold out hope she is still alive is hoping she will reveal something along the way so they can find Caylee. God Bless the precious little baby :(

lv2bgoing
07-29-2008, 01:18 AM
I am new to this site.
this case had me from MISSING CHILD. I started following it from day one. I cant stop thinking about it. I even had dreams of it and unrestfull sleep.
As everyone else on this thead think, she is not coming home. I am not sure if we will ever know all the answers to all the lies in this case. Its deffenently a case of many turns and twists.
I watch all the tv show on crimes and I know we will find out a lot on this but
never all of it. (she is acting like susan that drowned her 2 boys)
I agree with most of you on it being an accident went wrong. Drugs do many stupid things to your brain, thinking she could cover it up.
I think she is acting the way she is because she has already gone through her greeving period and now all she is worried about is saving her sole.
I feel bad for all the folks she has out looking for this child.
I am sorry she just doent seem like a mother that just lost her child from someone taking her.

bookbakery
07-29-2008, 09:37 AM
I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.

BrendaStar
07-29-2008, 10:21 AM
Hi everbody! I haven't posted in a long time, but this case has got me going. It's obvious Cayley is not coming home alive. Casey probably killed her accidently or deliberately by leaving her in the car in the Florida heat or by putting her in the truck while alive. Either way I doubt if it would have taken long for the heat to kill her. The pizza was probably put in later to cover up the smell of death, but obviously didn't work.

Sounds like Cayley was in the way for Casey's new relationship with her boyfriend. So I doubt if she was too sad having her out of the way.

Tx Nonna
07-29-2008, 10:29 AM
I think Caylee drown in that pool while mommy dearest was preoccupied and wasn't watching her. Then mommy panicked, knowing what her mother would say and do. Telling her what a bad mother she was etc. She didn't think that her family would forgive her for her ignorance. She buried little Caylee's body in the yard until she could think and figure out what to do next, where everyone would believe her story. JMO

Although, I still pray I'm wrong!

Adrienne37
07-29-2008, 10:33 AM
I think all of the Anthony's with the possible exception of the grandfather need to be locked up and the key thrown away until such time they admit what happened to Caylee. I am fully convinced that Casey is responsible for what happened to Caylee and am really leaning towards Cynthia being involved, maybe not directly but certainly indirectly, by providing false statements, trying to deflect the attention and focus off of Casey's involvement, etc. Anyway, it's a tragedy what has happened and when I look at pics of Caylee, she reminds me so much of Samantha Runnion and we know what happened to her.

Ruflossn
07-29-2008, 10:36 AM
I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.

Bookbakery,
I totally agree with this post. It makes me sick to think about it. Unfortunately, I think you "hit the nail on the head" with your opinion.

Ruflossn

Tx Nonna
07-29-2008, 10:46 AM
I also think that it's possible, Cindy "MAY" have figured it out, and thought she already lost her granddaughter and is trying her best not to loose her daughter now too. Knowing Casey will be facing prison time for a very long time. But her guilt is getting the best of her, and she if failing miserably at trying to convince people of her daughters innocence.
.... Although, I am not convinced just yet on this part.

Wise Old Owl
07-29-2008, 11:05 AM
Ok - hubby wants me to throw this out. I think he watches way too much Sci-Fi and CSI but. . .

Zanny does exist - or did. Zanny was a mule - someone who transports shipments of drugs. Casey dropped Caylee with her around June 21. Zanny calls Casey and tells her she needs to "make a run" and has left Caylee with a "mutual friend". Casey knows this "mutual friend" and is alright with it. Zanny goes on to tell her that if Casey picks her up from bus station or wherever when she gets back, Zanny will give her a "taste" or maybe even more from the shipment and they can go pick up Caylee. Zanny is only going to be gone maybe 10 - 12 hours so Casey says sure. Casey picks up Zanny when she gets back - June 22. Being the coniving, scheming witch she is, Casey figures she'll just make Zanny "disappear". That way she can keep the shipment (big $$$$) and then go get Caylee. Casey kills Zanny (or Zanny OD's) - goes to GM and GF house - remember they were not there at this time - finds out she can't really bury a body there. Backs up the car, breaks in the shed, gets the gas cans, puts Zanny in the trunk. She goes somewhere and gets rid of Zanny. Now to go pickup Caylee. When she gets to the "mutual friend" she finds out that "friend" is the trafficker - the one Zanny was to deliver to (which was unbeknownst to Casey). Friend tells Casey - no Zanny - you don't get Caylee. Tells her that until Zanny or shipment is produced - Caylee is collateral. Casey is now reeling. She hides the shipment or has already sold it or maybe Zanny sold most of it. So now what? What better way to find Zanny than to have LE looking for her. "Mutual friend" doesn't care that LE is looking for her, but is pissed because he/she has Caylee and has to keep her hidden now. Casey wants to talk to the Feds - tell them this sordid, twisted tale, because after all she hasn't done anything - she'll play it off to the Feds that Zanny OD'd or someone else ambushed them and killed Zanny and took the drugs. She is just an innocent player that got "caught up in all this". Who did Casey go with to Universal to find this "mutual friend"? And was that where she found out she wasn't getting Caylee back? There has to be some reason why LE hasn't dropped the bomb. They have certainly had enough time to nail Casey's arse to the wall if the logical story of her killing Casey is true. Susan Smith cracked in 9 days and only because they were closing in on her. Casey has been sitting in jail for almost 2 weeks - 14 days and is sticking to this convoluted story of hers. If just some - one or two tidbits - of what Casey has been saying is checking out - LE has to know something is up. Or maybe they have ID'd the stain and it isn't Caylee. Still doesn't explain why LE isn't searching though.

Now is that a story or what? At least hubby is happy and has gone away. I keep telling him he should be a writer. He does seem to explain all that we know to have happened.

Class-z
07-29-2008, 01:34 PM
Honestly I don't know what to think. I do think Casey killed Caylee. I just don't know if it was on purpose, in a fit of rage, or accidental.

I keep going back and forth on Cindy being part of a cover-up.

I think there is major dysfunction in the Anthony family that directly or indirectly led to Caylee's death.

I know I"m coming in late and haven't read all the post, but just had to say.

That if this were an accident and you had a mother that didn't have some kind of personality disorder, ir not a sociopath, we would see more emtion. This complete continous cover up, says premeditated to me. There is absolutely NO emotion involved with this girl, zip and she's a pathaological liar as well.

And her mother, I have a very big problem with Casey's mother the grandmother. I think the lying comes naturally. Her mother rant about the police department last night, just made me sick.

Casey is only concerned about Casey and the parents seem to be covering for her in some way, or at least making nothing but excuses for her.

ElizaAvalon
07-29-2008, 02:59 PM
This is my own speculation, subject to change.

I think Cindy and Casey had an argument the weekend of 6/14 over Casey's unauthorized use of Cindy's credit card. I think the credit card event happened before Casey left her parents home because a) Cindy talks about Casey's lying, stealing ("lots of money") and manipulation on her myspace page on 7/3 (it makes sense that Cindy would talk about the reasons why she is angry at her daughter while discussing her being gone) and b) Casey resorted to stealing from her friend Amy (both cash and forged checks) and gas from her parents' shed during her departure.

Cindy may have even said the words, "get out of my house" in the heat of the argument.

Casey may have fled alone before the visit to the nursing home on 6/15 and then came back to get Caylee overnight after everyone went to bed.

Casey took Cindy/George's car without permission.

This would explain Cindy's inconsistent statements regarding Casey and Caylee's not being home for the month, her knowledge/ignorance of when they went, where they went, why they went, etc., to throw any perception of guilt on Cindy's part away from herself. In addition, Cindy would not have claimed the car was stolen had she allowed Casey to borrow it for a pre-scheduled mini-vacation.

An argument between them would explain why Cindy did not call the police even though she believed Caylee to be "missing" as per her 7/3 myspace post. Casey leaving in a huff after an argument on the 15th would explain her facebook post on 6/24 mentioning not being in "the house" for 9 days because of some drama.

Due to Casey's complete lack of emotion or missing her daughter in any way, I believe a) Casey is the person responsible for Caylee's disappearance and b) Caylee is no longer alive.


No innocent mother would consistently throw up the roadblocks that Casey has been throwing up in the attempt of family and LE to get Caylee back. No innocent mother would go through phone calls with family dodging questions and not inquiring about the status of the family's investigation. If it were my child that was missing, I would have called my mother the very moment I couldn't find my child. I would have been beside myself, distraught, then and now. I would be feeding my family and LE every possible tidbit of information to help them find my child. This woman Casey is the exact OPPOSITE of distraught, the OPPOSITE of being helpful.

Casey either killed Caylee to get revenge on her mother or she died accidentally after being left in the car sometime after the 16th. I initially thought that Casey would have had more remorse had Caylee died accidentally, but I now believe that given her grandiosity and narcissism, there is no way in hell she would ever confess to a mistake that she thinks someone of her perfection could possibly make.

The question is, where is Caylee now?

Class-z
07-29-2008, 04:29 PM
Casey either killed Caylee to get revenge on her mother or she died accidentally after being left in the car sometime after the 16th. I initially thought that Casey would have had more remorse had Caylee died accidentally, but I now believe that given her grandiosity and narcissism, there is no way in hell she would ever confess to a mistake that she thinks someone of her perfection could possibly make.

The question is, where is Caylee now?

I agree, where is Caylee now. This is one thing about Casey that plays over and over in mind on top of everything being about her. But her parenst also make it all about Caesy. Weird relationship there.

But Casey said in the first released tapes. "all they care about is Caylee" I'm guessing that Casey always felt that all her parents cared about was Caylee. You know how we make over little ones, but Casey has something wrong with her.

Did you notice in the tape with her mother, how non emtion her mother even sounded? "Are you blaming me for being there Casey?" Well, Sweetheart, If it weren't for your lies, you wouldnt' be there.

This whole family is strange

If Casey were my child, I'd be at that jail giving her the third degree myself and I could not be as calm as this mother. The family knows that Casey has told lie after lie. Oh, and I would not be trying to raise one penny to get her bailed out. Even if it weren't for Caylee. This kid charged up what did they say? Something like 45,000.00 dollars on her Mom's stolen credit card. Hello! She'd be doing time.

SouthernMom
07-29-2008, 07:51 PM
I agree with the posters who think it may have been some kind of accident due to child neglect. She transported the body in the car to a location withing a 10 mile radius of her home. She then abandoned the car at the check cashing store either because of the smell or because it somehow reminded her of what happened. I think that Casey was VERY afraid to let her parents know that she had allowed something to happen to Caylee. She was probably afraid of LE as well. She fabricated a story about what happened and tried to avoid her parents as long as she could.
Finally, her mother caught up with her and threatened to charge her with the theft of the car and the credit cards if she didn't bring Caylee back home. This was the only way that Cindy and George (Casey's parents) could force her to bring the child back because they had no legal rights even though they had been providing for the child for most of her life. This is why there were two or three calls to LE at first.
I think her parents were NOT involved in whatever happened and are only trying to navigate whatever level of hell it is that their lives have just transformed into.
I think she may be blocking the memories of whatever happened.

Although I truly wish that I am wrong and that Caylee is found safe and happy with the babysitter.

peace,

MomofBoys
07-30-2008, 10:18 AM
I'm new here, so please excuse any faux pas. :)

I want to believe the death was accidental, but the thing I can't reconcile is the Cindy/Casey dichotomy BEFORE all of this. Is it just a crazy coincidence that their relationship seemed to be so frayed, presumably because of Caylee in some way? I think Casey was jealous of the Cindy/Caylee relationship in some way, either because Casey craved that attention from her mother, or she felt like she was losing Caylee to her mother. And like a selfish child, she felt she had to take Caylee away. "Mine!" or whatever.

So perhaps Casey is just a horrifically negligent caregiver and couldn't make it a month in terms of keeping her daughter alive (locked in car, drowned, whatever) or she wanted the best of both worlds. No daughter AND freedom. I think an intentional death would fall into the latter, because it would reclaim her mother for HER, and not for her, basically, "new" daughter.

There are two items of evidence that worry me the most:

The gas cans. Where are THEY? As much as I'd like to believe she stole them to take a road trip, it'd make some kind of sense that she'd try to burn the body. Wouldn't the gas cans still be at the trunk or in the garage? You only need to bring them with you when you are going to need them, right? This girl thought nothing of stealing credit cards and checks and cars--wouldn't she just leave the empty gas cans behind? It's not like 12 gallons of gas wouldn't fit in the tank. I might be missing some crucial detail there.

The "Bella Vida" tattoo. I haven't seen this mentioned much anywhere, but Casey got a "Bella Vida" or "Beautiful Life" tattoo in mid-late June and told people it was for Caylee. I'm not a psychologist, but it put me in mind of the Diane Downs case when she bought the Unicorn statue in memory of her dead children, and that was the day before she killed them, if I recall correctly. A chill went down my spine when I read about the tattoo, because I immediately thought "memorial."

Nannies are expensive. How was she paying her? Is there one record of a check? I find it hard to believe that Casey would take her daughter to reconnect and then spend all her stolen or illegally gathered money not on fun, but to ship her daughter off to a nanny. Kind of counter-intuitive, you know? That's a rhetorical question because I know it's been asked a lot, but I can't get past it in my head.

Anyway, great site. Right up my alley, LOL.

Beyond Belief
07-30-2008, 10:26 AM
today: I am thinking the child was drugged so she would sleep, mother put in trunk while she was in club. child died. maybe the night of the 20th.

Medea
07-30-2008, 10:29 AM
I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.


I totally agree with all of this. Great insight into the ramifications of having a sociopath in the family.

CarrieSis
07-30-2008, 10:54 AM
I have a new theory... yes, it is off-the-wall.

Is Casey doing all of this just to hurt her parents? If Cindy was going to bring custody issues and attempt to take Caylee away from her due to her lifestyle/parenting, maybe this is Casey's way of just hurting Cindy as much as she possibly can. "You want to take her away from me? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW THAT FEELS, MOM?!"

Could be the result of foul play, could be that Casey just handed off Caylee to someone she trusted to hide her for awhile.

Maybe it was all made up on the spot because Cindy brought things to a head that night "do you want to play it like that"?

ETA: still does not account for the dog "hits". Big hole in theory :/

Hailiejade77
07-30-2008, 02:45 PM
I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to a someone, who then took Caylee out of the country. Zenaida either went with the person or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails.
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE. The person that took Caylee could have boughten a fake birth certificate, therefore that person could sign consent to have the child fly with them or to throw off LE. Caylee could have been dressed as a boy or hair dyed or any number of things that could disguise her. It is very easy to buy "authentic" documents over the internet. This is PURELY SPECULATION.

JMO and it is subject to change,.. since it has SOOOO many times!

coltsgal
07-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Ok, I dont think this is what really happened, but do you think it's possible that Casey is making the entire thing up? We all know she LOVES attention. Do you think she "staged" Caylee's kidnapping to get attention?

I know that doesn't account for the smell in the car, but, oh, I dont know.

Just a suggestion.

Nedthan Johns
07-30-2008, 02:58 PM
My updated theory:

Casey is a sociopath and has Borderline Personality Disorder. The family has known for years that Casey is mentally ill and incapable of taking care of herself. Tensions between Cindy and Casey escalated and Casey was thrown out of the house or left on her own accord. There was no "vacation" as Cindy alludes to. Casey stayed with various friends including the boyfriend. Caylee was left in the trunk for some time decomposing. I believe at one time Casey may have buried or tried to bury her in the parent’s backyard but moved her. Both dogs targeted the backyard. The neighbor saw Casey BACK the car up to the garage, very suspicious, especially since she was no longer living there. The parent's shed was broken into and gas cans stolen. Casey borrowed a shovel. HELLO? All during the time her daughter was supposedly kidnapped and Casey was searching for Zenida in bars. Casey may have had something to do with the robbery of 'A' Zenida Gonzales or knew who did or picked this name from the story ran in the papers and internet afterwards. I would be curious if this SAME Zenida was the one that inquired about the apartment rental.

My prediction is that within 2 weeks, the evidence against Casey will be processed and she will be charged with murder. They may choose to conduct a search for the body at that time, but I have a feeling Casey will fess up and state it was an accident. So there you have it. Plain and simple. Just another mentally disturbed human being in a dysfunctional family that may have acted in a rage against her mother or simply was not mentally equipped with raising a child on her own and may even have left her or locked her in that trunk of the car while she went out to party or killed her daugher and hid her ther for some time afterwards. There are NO kidnappers; NO drug deals gone bad, NO mafia, etc. Just a troubled young woman who has already exerted signs of mental illness and a family (no mother) who is in deep denial. I believe the father as stated knew his daughter has something to do with this crime.

Medea
07-30-2008, 03:25 PM
My updated theory:

Casey is a sociopath and has Borderline Personality Disorder. The family has known for years that Casey is mentally ill and incapable of taking care of herself. Tensions between Cindy and Casey escalated and Casey was thrown out of the house or left on her own accord. There was no "vacation" as Cindy alludes to. Casey stayed with various friends including the boyfriend. Caylee was left in the trunk for some time decomposing. I believe at one time Casey may have buried or tried to bury her in the parent’s backyard but moved her. Both dogs targeted the backyard. The neighbor saw Casey BACK the car up to the garage, very suspicious, especially since she was no longer living there. The parent's shed was broken into and gas cans stolen. Casey borrowed a shovel. HELLO? All during the time her daughter was supposedly kidnapped and Casey was searching for Zenida in bars. Casey may have had something to do with the robbery of 'A' Zenida Gonzales or knew who did or picked this name from the story ran in the papers and internet afterwards. I would be curious if this SAME Zenida was the one that inquired about the apartment rental.

My prediction is that within 2 weeks, the evidence against Casey will be processed and she will be charged with murder. They may choose to conduct a search for the body at that time, but I have a feeling Casey will fess up and state it was an accident. So there you have it. Plain and simple. Just another mentally disturbed human being in a dysfunctional family that may have acted in a rage against her mother or simply was not mentally equipped with raising a child on her own and may even have left her or locked her in that trunk of the car while she went out to party or killed her daugher and hid her ther for some time afterwards. There are NO kidnappers; NO drug deals gone bad, NO mafia, etc. Just a troubled young woman who has already exerted signs of mental illness and a family (no mother) who is in deep denial. I believe the father as stated knew his daughter has something to do with this crime.

That's an interesting take on the 'vacation' I would normally not agree w/that much speculation but given the way the family has continued to basically lie for Casey...it does make some sense.

I'm not so sure she will confess, though. It may depend on the psych evaluation, if her lawyers think there is any chance of getting her put in a psych ward via a plea agreement or trial, then she might confess. Otherwise, I suspect she will ultimately land on one theory and one kidnapper ande stick with it.

I have a kind of bad feeling that wherever she put the child, the body may not be recoverable and she knows this. I'm thinking it went burried in the back yard first, then dug up and put in the trunk and possibly...really speculating now...taken somewhere and burned w/the gas.

I'd give it 4 weeks for a murder indictment:)

Dr. Pennypacker
07-30-2008, 03:42 PM
Mother killed child in order to be free of that responsibility.
Grandmother either coving for daughter or in denial/clueless.

coltsgal
07-30-2008, 05:01 PM
Do you think they would take the death penalty off the table for the whereabouts of Caylee?

I would settle for life with no parole for Casey, if it meant finding Caylee.

my2cents
07-30-2008, 05:34 PM
I have a new theory... yes, it is off-the-wall.

Is Casey doing all of this just to hurt her parents? If Cindy was going to bring custody issues and attempt to take Caylee away from her due to her lifestyle/parenting, maybe this is Casey's way of just hurting Cindy as much as she possibly can. "You want to take her away from me? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW THAT FEELS, MOM?!"

Could be the result of foul play, could be that Casey just handed off Caylee to someone she trusted to hide her for awhile.

Maybe it was all made up on the spot because Cindy brought things to a head that night "do you want to play it like that"?

ETA: still does not account for the dog "hits". Big hole in theory :/

Carriesis, I think this is plausible and I can help you fill in the holes. There are two theories here, so I am skipping around a bit when I get to the disappearance of the child. Sorry!

They had parties at her house on a regular basis. The parents were on 'vacation' for a couple of weeks. I do not think that she was allowed access to the house at that time, or that she was not supposed to be there. She seems to be a big partier, so I am willing to bet drugs were involved.

Someone may have died at her house. She may have panicked (or just wanted the drama, which she seems to THRIVE on). She may have tried to bury the friend in the yard because they would not have wanted to report it and get in more trouble. Her boyfriend may have been selling club drugs (most club employees do that) and she did not want him to go down for it or for him supplying the drugs to this person (club drugs like x are an automatic felony and carry a good bit of time). She could have run off because, if this was someone she didn't know (or know well enough for LE to pinpoint her to the crime) she probably could have just disappeared and it looked like she moved off with her child.

They may have gone back later and taken the body (in her trunk) to another location. I think they probably all panicked and were on some sort of drug and weren't thinking clearly, and probably thought that burying the body would be a good idea at the time. They probably realized that it was really stupid when they sobered up though. That would be why the dogs hit in the yard and trunk.

She probably gave the child to someone to care for her while she was disposing of the body. She doesn't seem like the best mom in the world to me, so she may have just handed the child off to anyone that a friend could line up for her. Now she may be using the 'kidnapping' as leverage (remember she is a master manipulator). This would be why she is refusing to talk to police. Maybe in her mind, they will agree not to prosecute her for disposing of a body if she holds out and they really want to know where Caylee is.

Or, she could have given the child away to someone because she already knew she was in trouble and she had every intention of disappearing and meeting them somewhere else at a later time. They wouldn't be able to locate her. Her mom might flip out and go crazy, but it would look like she just left because of all the family drama that seems to go on in that house.

I had a friend like this in High School that was off-the-wall insane. She would lie and make a big deal of everything and we would all find out later that she made up a huge, far-fetched story just to be doing it. I am trying to look at every angle here, although, I really don't think the child is alive, but there is no proof that the decomposition is Caylee, even though the evidence is pretty coincidental.

MY OPINION ONLY. SPECULATION ONLY. Feel free to poke holes in it. :)

Texana
07-30-2008, 07:42 PM
My2cents, you are certainly thinking outside of the box and trying to figure this out! I think your thought about Casey using her parents' home for parties with drugs is probably very true.

However, the odds of another decomposing body left in the car/yard--with Caylee missing--I think are slim. If Casey had anyone willing to take on Caylee, they would probably be just as flaky, impaired, and morally lacking as Casey in terms of common sense and truth. They would have long ago given up Caylee from the sheer trouble of caring for a young child, or for the "E!" publicity and fame it would bring them.

Sadly, I think that Caylee suffered an accidental death from neglect, but Casey's lack of emotion indicates she doesn't really feel it's her fault. Nothing ever is for this kind of person. She's just looking to save her own self--and Cindy enables, as she probably always has.

Marina2
07-30-2008, 08:18 PM
Hello everyone. This is my first post. I came here from another site where there was so much insulting and arguing back and forth that nothing was getting done. How refreshing to find this site where ppl are truly trying to solve this mystery.
Anyway, two thoughts that completely contradict each other but each is plausable IMO.
To answer the question I have always had...Why abandon the car?
Perhaps, after disposing of the child's body near the Amscot she may have had a feeling someone saw her do it. If so her next thought would be "What if they found Caylee and called the police with a description of the car." If she thought this she would want to immediately ditch the car for fear of being pulled over by LE and questioned. Probably thought that she would go back and get the car if this didn't happen but the car got towed first.
Another thought I posted last week before the 911 calls being released was that the body may have been in the car when the gps picked it up. But, after hearing the gm on the 911 call I didn't feel she knew anything. Her emotion was too real. At the same time gp was eerily silent and has been throughout so that led me to believe that he could have picked the car up without gm, found the body in the trunk and disposed of it. The dog hitting on the back yard as well as the car could have just been from him walking around back there after and transferring the chemicals of decomp.
That's only speculation and two of the hundreds of thoughts in my head about this bizarre situation.

Beyond Belief
07-30-2008, 09:22 PM
Hi Marina,
Welcome to WS.
I don't think Mr Anthony had anything to do with any of this. jmo

Marina2
07-30-2008, 09:53 PM
Hi Marina,
Welcome to WS.
I don't think Mr Anthony had anything to do with any of this. jmo

Thank you Beyond.
Well, I didn't think he did either at first but all that I've heard so far I guess I wouldn't be surprised at any outcome. I would never believe Casey could be so cold while her daughter is gone but she is.

Nickelfoo
07-30-2008, 10:42 PM
There are so many possibilities in this sad, sad situation. I have thought alot about the drug dealer connection. Maybe Casey owes her dealer alot of money (if she does drugs?) He took baby Caylee and is keeping her until he gets his money. Casey was in the bars because she was practicing the worlds oldest profession to earn the money to pay the dealer. She is too ashamed and cold-hearted to reach out to anyone for help? I know I am giving her way too much credit here, but darn it I just do not want to think she could hurt that baby.

In all reality I do not believe that beautiful baby is alive. I think Casey did it. I do believe she used Caylee to get back at her mother who was getting fed up with her BS. I don't think she killed her to get back at her mother, I think it was either an accident (left in car, medicated, Casey hung-over/drugged up and forgot to watch her etc...) Which makes me wonder if Casey in fact was a casusal drug user, or an addict of some sort? If a person is a recreational user I would think she would always be with someone if she was actually partaking, which would make me wonder if someone else knows what happened. But if she is a hardcore user and did it while alone with Caylee then she could have taken something and passed out and something happened to Caylee.

She may have intentionally done this so she could have her freedom. I do not know the timeline for sure here, but wasnt she partying like it was 1999 while Amy was away? If my thinking is correct then she probably didnt think she had anything left at that point so she was making the most of it until it all caught up with her and she used Amy's money to do it.

Anyway, sorry if I rambled. I have just been reading so much and the thoughts just keep coming.

Straitfan
07-30-2008, 10:57 PM
I have a hard time with the "drug dealer" possibility because one would think such a person is certainly not going to want to bother with a 2 yr old unless they passed the child to a family member or something to deal with. Unfortunately with the lies, abandoning the car, smell in car, noone else seeing the child, etc, I tend to believe the child is no longer alive. If she was and someone was truly holding the child, Casey could go ahead and provide info, the FBI and SWAT team could most likely get the child.

The call w/ her brother today AGAIN, he sounds exhausted, etc, she sounds all PERKY doesn't even ask about leads, etc. This case is beyond UNBELIEVEABLE to me, I pray she stays right were she is until she talks..... This is her own fault, all just so terribly upsetting that a mom could put herself before a child :( If Caylee is gone, I don't feel it was intentional but she is not going anywhere, so she just needs to give the info NOW!

God Bless sweet lil Caylee, prayers that somehow she is still alive and found very soon

not_my_kids
07-31-2008, 12:21 AM
I think that Casey may have been high or drunk at the time that she dropped her daughter off and that she did not leave her with the Zenaida Hernendaz Gonzales at the Sawgrass Apartments but the Zenaida Gonzalez that lives less than 9 miles away in Orlando. Just a possibility...or she brutally murdered her own child.
BTW why is it so stinking impossible to get thruogh to the tiplines in this case?

Muzikman
07-31-2008, 01:19 AM
Hello all, been reading the forum for the last few days and decided to join up. I live in Orlando, where of course it is the top story of every newscast here, and I have become enthralled with the case. Can't get enough of it! I live near several of the involved locations (Amy/Ricardo condo, old folks home area she took the cops to) and could easily do a little investigation work around them if needed.

I also posted this in the Possible Diagnosis thread, but I thought it also applies in the Theories thread here also.

My current opinion is that Casey hid her with someone to keep her from Cindy, possibly as punishment for how Casey was being treated by Cindy (that per Cindy's Myspace blog on July 3, which I'm really surprised none of the news outlets have hit on). I don't think she ever expected it to blow up into the huge national deal it has become, but now that it has she is going to try to take advantage of the situation in order to become a *Celebrity* (In her warped mind at least).

What could now happen is whoever has Caylee may get tired and/or scared becaue of all the press attention and all of a sudden Caylee will be found wandering around a mall or something by herself, and the "Kidnapper" will never be found, resulting in possible vindication of Casey ("See, I wasn't lying!"). Casey will then do her best to turn this into a situation where she becomes a *Celebrity* and tries to make money out of the situation somehow.

She didn't plan the whole thing out this way, but will take advantage of how it has turned out any way that she can.

This would also explain why she is so emotionless so far - she really DOES know where Caylee is, but she wants to milk it as far as she can.

Of course, there is the decomposition dog hits to contend with, but I am hoping that turns out to be something else and Caylee is OK.
We will know soon, one of the news shows here had a forensic detective from Brevard County Sherrif's Office (on the coast, Melbourne) and he said it should take at most 10 business days, plus another 24 hours for another verification of DNA testing. That would put the results coming back on Monday.

Anyway, great forum and I look forward to being able to contribute in some small way!
Muzikman

txsvicki
07-31-2008, 01:55 AM
My Theory- Casey has always lied to get out of any trouble that she is in and creates a smoke screen of drama to divert attention off what she has done.

The implied ongoing money stealing and being given many chances to change by her mother makes me think there was a plan being played out that took effect on June 16th.

I believe the new boyfriend and wanting to be with him as much as possible before he left on a trip had something to do with her plan and he was unaware thinking Caylee was with a nanny. Perhaps he didn't want children or wasn't really very interested in Casey in the first place. Casey was also being told by her mother that it might be time to move with her child into her own place, have a job, be responsible. Having a child means working hours that don't go along with partying and men much less having money left over after paying child care.

Several different clues and scenarios were set up by Casey to try and place blame on a fictional kidnapper/group who is a threat to the whole family. The stealing a large amount of money, the abandoned car, the lies, etc. are a plan to try and blame a theft and disappearance of a child on someone else. Casey must have thought she was smart enough to pull this off.

icherish
07-31-2008, 02:07 AM
I share the feeling of most that dear sweet Caylee is no longer with us (though I hold out hope that we are wrong!) I have a strong feeling this child was the victim of her mother's neglect. Whether Caylee was left in a hot car while her mom was passed out from partying, or whether she got into the swimming pool and drowned while in her mother's care, I do not know, but... I do feel somehow that her demise was unintentional.

If indeed this is the case, it would seem Casey covered the truth and disposed of her child's body simply because she doesn't find fault in her actions...no matter how catastrophic the results. After all, it was an "accident", and in her mind she shouldn't have to face the music. Saving herself from persecution at all costs. Classic sociopathic behavior.

And by listening to those phone call recordings, Casey seems to have sociopathic traits. Does a whole lot of talking and says a bunch of nothing. She's arrogant and incredibly self-involved. One thing that really floored me was when her friend broke down crying on the tape over Caylee. Casey cruely shut her down, telling her that calling and talking to her was a "huge mistake", and again demanded the phone number for the umpteenth time. You'd never know the topic was her missing baby. That alone tells you there are sociopathic tendencies with her. I suppose people like that are most uncomfortable dealing with other people's feelings and emotions.

Anyhoo, I'm rambling now, but that is my theory on the situation. And with all that said, I sincerely hope for that miracle...that we will get to see Caylee alive and well soon.

nursebeeme
07-31-2008, 04:19 AM
My theory (sorry if too long).

To preface my theory I want to start with the fusian dj statement from fox news (bold is mine):

"The co counsel said that she had been working at Fusian on and off for a few months. That's not true. Listen man, I'm Tony's best friend. She wasn't a promo girl. The only reason she was there was because she came with Tony.

Her and Tony didn't meet until May 24th at a party we threw for one of our friends. She didn't start going to Fusian until after that. I was staying at Tony's apartment from the end of May until the end of June while I waited to move into my new place. So I was there when he started dating Casey. The last two weeks of June when Casey was at the apartment Caylee wasn't with her.

She kept telling us she was with the Nanny or her parents acting like nothing was wrong. I talked to investigators as soon as the story broke."
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...ord/index.html (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...ord/index.html)

Casey met Toney May 24th at a party. He was everything she wanted; smart, handsome, the center of the party at club fusian, had a job, his own place, had no kids and lived the fast paced glamorous life. Casey wanted this lifestyle more than anything. His best friend was staying at Tony's place until he got his new one. Casey and Toney started to date. In early June there was a barbeque at the pool at Tony's place. Caylee came and she played in the pool with her little plastic dishes. Another resident noticed her and heard her playing and saying, "look at me look at me."

For the next three weeks...from May 24th when she met Tony....until June 16th when she left her mother's home, Casey was spending a lot of time with Tony...at parties, at the club, at beer pong events. The fusian crowd was not cheap to hang out with. She needed more money for club clothes, shoes, drinks, etc...so she charged up her mother's credit card. When the statement came in the mail her mother was livid and took the card back from her. Used to being supported by her mother for everything...including health care, groceries, rent, etc, and sans job, Casey started to seed a deep anger and a desire to get the hell out of this life under the thumb of her mother. The tension built and built and her funds were cut off. She complained to her friends about her controlling mother and talked with Amy about moving out of the house and in with her when she got her new place.

On the 15th, Father's day, there was another confrontation over something that happened on friday or saturday night preceding it... perhaps she was out until two am or didn't come home at all from partying. Her mother brought her out on it yet again and angrily leaves taking Caylee with her to see great grandpa in the nursing home. While grandma is gone, Casey gets more and more angry and more determined to move out and get rid of Caylee so she can live the fun single life with Tony.

That night Casey puts Caylee to bed knowing the next day she was going to leave. She smothers Caylee. She burries Caylee in the backyard wrapped in a piece of clothing as grandma would notice any blankets missing. She locks the door to her bedroom so no one can come in...to find Caylee not there.

The next morning, Casey has some clothes thrown in a bag. She slips up and forgets the small detail of packing Caylee's favorite stuffed animal. She waits until Grandma and Grandpa have left for the day. She puts her stuff in the car and she leaves. She might have taken another credit card or some of those handy credit card checks. She drives to Tony's.

From June 16 until June 27th... (11 days) She drives her the car her parents gave her to use. She called an ex boyfriend about his resignation from the police department. She tries to cover all the bases by concocting lies that answer to why Caylee is not with her and what jobs she has including an event planner for universal studios. She convinces Tony of this so much he thinks she is working from home at his place on his computer. She tells everyone that Caylee is with the nanny or caylee is with her parents. She drives on happy, sweet, bubbly, and on top of the world like nothing is wrong. She makes extra sure to not get her mother's mind worrying so she takes extra care to text and call her every day always at a time like bedtime...so she can explain away why Caylee cannot talk on the phone. She takes care of a possibly worried uncle Lee by myspacing him a lot and meeting up for drinks on June 20th at fusian. Lee meets Tony and really likes him. Lee puts Tony's phone number into his cell. Lee tells Casey how her mother is not pleased with her staying away and to plese come home. Casey gets angry. On 24 June, after everyone is out of the house, Casey goes to the home, and cuts the lock off the shed and steals the gas cans (something she has been accused of doing in the past) for a little angry retribution for being locked out of the shed and not being trusted yet again.

Sometime between June 16 and June 19 (thursday) Casey drives to her home in her 98 pontiac sunfire. She is coming to move the body and get rid of it. She backs into her driveway, in a fashion not normally known of her to park and noticed by an observant neighbor. She goes back to the shed to retreive a shovel to find a new lock on it. She cannot get in! She sees her neighbor out doing yard work and asks to borrow a shovel, saying she has to dig bamboo to protect her daughters feet in her play area. The neighbor says, "sure" and tells her that he/she is going in soon to shower..so to just leave the shovel in their yard when she is done. the minute the neighbor goes in, Casey moves the playhouse, digs out the body wrapped in clothing, and lays the shovel in the sandbox while she carries the body to the trunk of her car. This takes 30 minutes or so. She then goes back, retrieves the shovel and props it in her neighbor's yard. She drives off. She disposes of the body and clothing in a dumpster about 20 mintes away..enough time for some fluids to seep from the clothing into the lining of her trunk. She brushes out all the dirt she can see but leaves a little behind. She drives back to Tony's .

In the short days following the removal of the body, Casey notices that her car really smells and she cannot get rid of the odor! She knows that her previous babysitter story will not fly if anyone smells the inside of her car. By the 27th she knows that the car has to be dealt with so she formulates the story that she went running on the Blanchard park trail, near the Amscott and calls Tony for a ride....telling him that her dad knows the car has broken down and he is in the process of taking care of repairs. That lie took care of the boyfriend but she also had to back~cover her earlier lie that Casey had been with a nanny. She thinks bingo! The nanny kidnapped and killed Casey, ditched her car and fled to NY, NJ, or NC. She leaves behind a dummy purse...to add depth to that lie. Little did Casey know...that businesses tow cars when they sit in parking lots not moving for days on end. Her car was towed on 30 June after amscott employs noted that it had been abandoned there.

On June 28th tony leaves to visit family for a week. Tony's best friend, the dj, moves into his new place. Casey spends her time between her friend Amy's place and Tony's place....communicating with Tony's sister on myspace on how much she misses him and that she has a "dorky" surprise for Tony when he returns on 5 July. A few of those nights she partied and spent the night with Amy. While Amy was enebriated, Casey stole 700 dollars from her friend. The next morning when the money was found missing, Casey makes light of it and says Amy had gotten up in the middle of the night and put it away for her upcoming vacation to Puerto Rico.

On 5 July casey throws a fourth of July party and wraps her otherwise naked body in an American flag. She cooks for everyone...the picture of domestic bliss and a new party life. She stays at Tony's until 8 July.

Now without a car, money or credit cards, Casey decides to take her friend amy up on her offer and stay at her place while she is in Puerto rico from 8-15 July. Amy is going to let her stay there and use her car as well. She has already blown thru the 700 dollars (including a brand new black jack phone purchased with her last couple hundred of Amy's money on 4 July) and looks all over Amy's place while she is there for money or checks. She finds some in the glove compartment and takes some. She writes a check to cash and guts out amy's bank acount of 1000 dollars. The towing company has processed the registered mail and send out a towing notice. The Anthonys note it taped to their door on the weekend of the `11th of July but do not pick up the letter and car until 15 July.



On 15 July Casey picks up Amy from the airport. On the drive home Amy confronts Casey with the 700 dollars Casey had told her she put away for her trip as she had saved it for that trip and when it wasn't there she was broke and plenty pissed. Amy accuses Casey of stealing it and in lieu of her past history with lying rips open the glove compartment to find her checkbook is missing checks as well. Amy is royally pissed and kicks Casey to the curb at Tony's.

A little later on 15 July Amy gets a call from Cindy Anthony asking if she knows where casey is, as she has just picked up the abandoned sunfire. Amy says she does....casey is at Tony's. cindy says she does not know where that is so she goes to pick up Amy. Amy takes her to Tony's and they pick her up. When they get in the car, Grandma asks, "where is Caylee" and why was the car abandoned..and why does it smell like a dead body?...and Casey gives a vague answer. Cindy starts to feel very nervous. Something just is not right. Grandma finds out about the money that Casey took from Amy and they begin to argue about that as well the credit card bills and theft. They drop amy off.

Grandma continues to drive around while trying to get to the bottom of where Casey is and just exactly where this babysitter lives. Casey is ellusive and not worried...saying she is with Zanny and that she is napping and not to wake her. Grandma becomes even more worried and starts listing the multiple thefts, and the neglect of the car and demands that Casey take her to the babysitter. Casey tells her mother, "whatever..do whatever you want".

So grandma heads to the nearest substation. It is closed. Becoming more frustrated she decides she has had quite enough of Casey's behavior and it is time for some tought love and she calls 911. She tells the operator that she has her daugher in the car and wants her arrested for grand theft auto and stealing money. Grandma also mentions that she has an afadavit from her banking acount. The operator tells her that according to her address and where the car was stolen from they will have to go thru orange county sherrif department. Cindy states she will call again from her home and drives Casey home.

Once at home, grandma finds Lee to be there. George had called him earlier stating that he was, "worried about your mother" and to come home as soon as possible. The car was not mentioned. Grandma fills everyone in on what has happened and places another 911 call.

When the 911 operator answers, Cindy calmly says that she is at home and has a person, her daugher, that she wants arrested for stealing a car and for stealing money and requests an officer be sent to her home. Cindy tells the operator that her daughter has been missing for a month and that she has her daughter but not her grandaughter and she wants a deputy out. The operator takes down all the specifics for the call and states an officer will be on the way.

An hour passes and still no cop. Another half hour. Cindy is pacing and becoming increasingly distraught. Lee is talking to Casey and Grandma goes out back for some fresh air. When she walks back in she hears Casey telling lee that Caylee has been missing for 31 days. Grandma becomes hysterical. George was in another room and did not hear this. Grandma picks up the phone to dial but Lee and Casey manage to talk her out of it for 45 minutes. Casey keeps saying she will take them to Caylee in the morning. After a bit of this a very distraught grandmother makes yet a third call to 911.

Cindy places the call, escalated in emotion beyond belief with her voice raising, and full of tears. She tells the 911 operator that she found her daughter's car, it smells of death, and that her grandchild has been missing for 30 days. George walks into the room to see what is wrong with his wife and she tells him (on 911 call 3), "Caylee is missing George! Caylee is missing! Zanny took her a month ago!" The operator takes down more specifics and Casey is put on the line as well. Her voice void of emotion. Succinct. Flat. Casey tells 911 that she had been conducting her own investigaton..which was, "stupid" of her. She tells 911 that she had received a call from Caylee at noon that same day..from a private number. Officer on the way... The rest is history in the making.

Beyond Belief
07-31-2008, 04:46 AM
Nursebeeme,

"On 5 July casey throws a fourth of July party and wraps her otherwise naked body in an American flag."

Boy that jumped right out at me. I didn't know about that. Actions like that are screaming 'independence'.
I remember when I go my divorce that was my mindset come the fourth of July. Independence Day.

websurfer
07-31-2008, 09:50 AM
my theory is this:
It was not Casey's car that was used to transport Caylee.
I think [I do not know what type of car Amy owns] but in light of the use of it by Casey i would imagine that it took a lot of gas and we all know how much gas has been lately.
Anyway, gas costs money, so i think casey liking Amy's hot car was pretending to be rich or better off than she was.
She was showing off with it and did not have Caylee[ belted in] but instead made her ly down in the back seat maybe ?
and when Caylee refused to stay down on the seat or floor casey put her hand over her mouth and nose and squeezed her to the point she passed out and later died?
Casey seems to be explosive...
i say Amy's car is the murder weapon of sorts....
either by heat or by the hand of her mother Casey....

MomofBoys
07-31-2008, 11:10 AM
I do think drugs are involved in some way, but I have doubts that a drug deal, etc, has anything directly to do with her disappearance.

There's a guy on some local forums (in the Tampa area) that works at a convenience store that Casey frequented in Orlando. In June she'd come into the store, sometimes with Caylee and sometimes without. He said Casey's demeanor was absolutely odd and he immediately chalked her up to a "crack addict" because of her glossed-over expression and lack of social skills. He believed she was "not right" from the beginning.

Drug-addled brains can make a lot of connections. I think maybe Casey was bogged down by responsibility, or was finding it hard to connect to Tony or whoever because of her "baggage." Maybe she desperately wanted her lifestyle back, and yet at the same time she was resentful of her mother's relationship with Caylee. She felt like Cindy was trying to steal her daughter, and while she really didn't care from a caregiver standpoint (after all, it made life easier) it made her angry and jealous that something that was hers wasn't really hers in all the definitions of the word.

Maybe she really wanted to move in with Tony, but Caylee was a liability. After all, he is young and probably didn't want a child around--lots of friends and parties, etc. Tony was probably just being logical and responsible, but that didn't compute with Casey. She was being denied something because of Caylee and Caylee had to go.

She couldn't kill her in a violent way--after all, she's a little girl and still her mother, and I want to believe NO ONE can look at their child and commit violence, even if I know that's crap. So she killed her in the way that mothers in these stories usually do. Suffocation, drowining, poison, whatever "passive" way made it easier for Casey to get rid of her child.

She buried Caylee in the backyard and then freaked out. Her parents were planning lots of yardwork (hence the pavers) and she realized Caylee couldn't stay there. Finding the shed locked after the gas can theft (or the keys missing because her parents knew she was a gas thief), she ran over to the neighbors and borrowed the shovel. Dug her up, backed up to the garage, and deposited her in the trunk.

She planned on a long road trip to get Caylee as far away as possible, but the smell was overpowering. The smell and knowledge of what that smell was became overpowering for Casey and instead of driving to the Everglades or to Little Lake Bryan or wherever, she found the closest park she could and threw her down a culvert or into a pond. Pond makes sense because Florida is pretty much flat and you can't count on many natural obstructions to cover something like that up. Alligators don't eat the dead, so her bones would still be there.

Casey can't fathom driving back and she knows the stench is terrible. So she ditches the car at the closest parking lot and hopes it'll air out before it's found. Otherwise, why not just drive back and pretend like nothing ever happened? Or just call, alligator tears and all, the police and report her daughter missing? Because she knew that they'd check stuff like that out. Her only hope was to keep existing and then throw this "private investigation" hat into the ring.

Very long story short, I think her "private investigation" is the biggest clue Caylee is dead. As a mother, I can't imagine keeping this quiet from the police, my mom, whoever. I would NEVER be arrogant enough to pretend that I could find my son on my own after a MONTH. If I believed my sons were in nefarious hands, I couldn't live with the possiblity of what could already be being done to them.

There was a protein sample, dirt, and Caylee's hair in the trunk. So, that would be blood, semen, or what? What else flouresces?

I think LE's silence on the issue and the lack of search has to be the biggest indicator that they have some sort of conclusive evidence. Otherwise, they'd be risking a huge PR disaster and the life of a little girl. I pray that she's alive, but every time I think about a "Caylee is alive!" theory, I go back to the dog hits, that smell, and the protein sample in the trunk.

sneezy
07-31-2008, 12:34 PM
For what it's worth...

I think there are a couple of things going on...

I think while Casey loved Caylee very much, Caylee was a "burden" on Casey...at least in Casey's selfcentered way of looking at things. I would think that in the months prior Casey was leaving Caylee with Gma a lot.

Maybe there came a day when Gma wasn't home, Casey was either high/drunk or coming out of it. Caylee was being a bit mouthy as 2 year olds can be...What if Casey made her mad and she said "I love gramma more" or "I dont love you I love gramma" or "gramma is better" and it triggered something...

After Casey snaps and kills Caylee, she panics she takes the body out to the yard and goes to bury it...no shovel...she puts Caylee in the payhouse...gets the shovel and buries Caylee...She does this thinking what would her mother say? Cindy would KILL her if she knew...she was mad enough about the money and the credit cards...

A day or so later, Cindy calls and tells Casey they'll be coming home soon...Casey panics and puts the body in the car,knowing she had to move it so that Cindy wouldn't find it...she calls a friend, (In my mind a male friend who's "smitten" with Casey) he asks where's Caylee...Casey breaks down crying "playing the vicitm" giving him some story about how Caylee got some drugs and died (and since the guy has done drugs with Casey he panics feeling partly responsible) he offers to move the body...

They take the body somewhere and dump it...one of them driving his car so that when they abandon Casey's car, they have a way to go home...

I think Casey was afraid of her mom finding out so she spent time/nights at friends and such to avoid the situation, claiming that Caylee was with her or a babysitter so as to not arouse suspicions.

I think that when Cindy got mad...she simply thought that Casey was using not seeing Caylee as a tool to hurt her over the fights over the money...that's when she called LE...it was only AFTER the call (in which she does not seem anxious which to me fits with a mother using a call to the cops to try to force her daughter into telling her where the grandchild is because she thinkings that Casey is simply leaving Caylee somewhere so that Cindy can't see her.)

After LE is called...Casey fesses up...but now what? LE is already on their way...Cindy either "believes" the story about an "accident" or doesn't care because she can't let her go to jail...so they play up the "left Caylee with the babysitter story" and weave their lies around that. Cindy being the overcontrolling mother, has to control the situation and helps concoct the whole alilbi, being sure to use phone numbers and locations that have no real connection to anyone.

I think this is why Casey plays the victim, in her little mind Caylee either asked for it or if Caylee didn't say X then she wouldn't have hit her...I think she puts responsibility on everyone else but where it belongs, on herself. I believe whether it's a character flaw or mental illness...she sees this horrible event as happening to HER, not Caylee...

It breaks my heart to think that little Caylee is gone. I just hope that one way or another, Casey gets hers...

I may be way off base...but it's only my .02 worth.

krimekat
07-31-2008, 01:21 PM
I believe Casey burned the body with the missing gas

Marina2
07-31-2008, 01:59 PM
I can't believe that Casey killed her child on purpose. Not because I can't imagine a mother doing this to her child; God knows mothers have done this before and will again.
Casey wouldn't though because Caylee was her bargaining chip with her parents. The grandparents let her get away with anything and basically let her run their lives as long as Caylee was safe and in their care. Casey knew this and wouldn't ever willingly give up this "Ace in the Hole" so to speak. If Caylee died it was an accident IMO; one that Casey thought she could lie and get out of as she always has.

Medea
07-31-2008, 04:05 PM
So, if the ex bf is correct that would put the death/disappearance somewhere between the 24th and probably 28th or 29th...if he's wrong, the death/disappearance could have been the previous week, any time after the 15th.

housemouse
07-31-2008, 04:52 PM
So, if the ex bf is correct that would put the death/disappearance somewhere between the 24th and probably 28th or 29th...if he's wrong, the death/disappearance could have been the previous week, any time after the 15th.

This is what I am trying to clarify/pin down. Are we sure that both the ex-bf's info is correct, and are we sure Caylee visited the great grandfather on the 15th?

Anyone have an opinion on the most probable date?

Medea
07-31-2008, 04:59 PM
This is what I am trying to clarify/pin down. Are we sure that both the ex-bf's info is correct, and are we sure Caylee visited the great grandfather on the 15th?

Anyone have an opinion on the most probable date?

I think yes on the 15th, there is video of her.

As far as the 24th...its only the ex bf's word and Casey's word...hard to know how credible...I'd also figure that a woman who was capable of inventing a fake job and fake babysitter is also capable of pretending to discipline her daughter who isn't there...

If she was still alive on the 24th though, then we'd have to figure out WHERE she was from the 15-24th...so far, as far as has been made public, nobody has come forward to say they saw the child or to supply any possible locations for where she was...

gigi2009
07-31-2008, 05:08 PM
I think yes on the 15th, there is video of her.

As far as the 24th...its only the ex bf's word and Casey's word...hard to know how credible...I'd also figure that a woman who was capable of inventing a fake job and fake babysitter is also capable of pretending to discipline her daughter who isn't there...

If she was still alive on the 24th though, then we'd have to figure out WHERE she was from the 15-24th...so far, as far as has been made public, nobody has come forward to say they saw the child or to supply any possible locations for where she was...


I have to agree with you Medea. No one has come forward which leads me to believe that Caylee is not only dead but I think her mother put her somewhere where she won't ever be found. Any freshwater pond/lake with gators ( and yes its horrifying to think about) would completely work. I don't think she went far so I wonder if LE checked any nearby bodies of water to see if there are gators and whether anyone spotted Casey's vehicle nearby.

coltsgal
07-31-2008, 05:15 PM
I just wish there were some witnesses that saw Casey (other than the partying), between those dates. Someone that isn't a friend or aquaintance.

Perhaps store clerks or someone that saw her (within the 2 days that no one knows where she was), or someone that saw her with Caylee at a store or something.

Medea
07-31-2008, 05:17 PM
I also have a feeling that Caylee may never be found...Casey is sooo calm, even as a sociopath she must know intellectually that she should be exhibiting some type of emotion about her missing 3 year old, but she doesn't sound like it in any calls I've heard....which makes me question whether she is SO SURE the child will never be found she isn't even bothering to fake it.

krimekat
07-31-2008, 05:19 PM
I agree that Caylee's body may never be found, and that is why Casey is so aloof about finding Caylee. With the missing gas & burning the body, there will be nothing left of Caylee, right?

gigi2009
07-31-2008, 05:30 PM
I believe you'd have to get the temperature very high to burn the body or else bones could be recovered. Perhaps after attempting to burn the body and realizing that it wouldn't work, she dumped the body in a lake or something. I know alligators can quickly consume their prey. I don't think that gator's stomachs can break down bones but I'm not sure if they pass them or not. That would be interesting to find out.

browneyedgirl
07-31-2008, 05:45 PM
Nursebeeme,

"On 5 July casey throws a fourth of July party and wraps her otherwise naked body in an American flag."

Boy that jumped right out at me. I didn't know about that. Actions like that are screaming 'independence'.
I remember when I go my divorce that was my mindset come the fourth of July. Independence Day.

The pic of Casey wrapped in the American flag (a total disgrace to our flag and all that it represents, if you ask me) was taken at a Memorial Day party thrown by her friends. It was a "no clothes party".

We've been discussing this on another thread....FWIW

browneyedgirl
07-31-2008, 05:56 PM
I belive that Casey left Caylee in the car, while she was partying it up and that Casey suffocated from the extreme heat. I belive that she wasn't going to let the fact that she had Caylee with her stop her from her prior plans of partying that night.

I do have a couple of questions though...If any one knows where these subjects have been addressed, please let me know...TIA

1) Where did all of her partying buds think Caylee was at for the last month? Had Caylee always stayed with Grandma and Grandpa while her mom was out clubbing?

2) How long does it take before a body starts actually smelling so bad that it would linger for days?

3) How in the world would Casey's parents NOT know she wasn't working? I find that hard to believe.....when you live with someone you usually know their habits almost as good as your own, in my opinion.

4) Have the police comfiscated Casey and Tony's computers. (wasn't casey suppose to have been working from Tony's computer) I would like to know of there was any research done on gator parks in the vicinity.

I know I'm probably grasping at straws here, but this little angle has just reached out and grabbed my heart (like so many others here). I just pray that she didn't know any pain.

krimekat
07-31-2008, 06:00 PM
2) How long does it take before a body starts actually smelling so bad that it would linger for days?
+++the body starts decomposing immediately; decomposition smell stays forever if not cleaned!+++

3) How in the world would Casey's parents NOT know she wasn't working? I find that hard to believe.....when you live with someone you usually know their habits almost as good as your own, in my opinion.
+++actually very easy to lie about NOT working+++

lv2bgoing
07-31-2008, 07:26 PM
When do you think we will have some hard fax on this? How long does it take to get the tests results back on the evidence found in the car?
The only thing that will stop the lies is hard fax.
I think her brother is deffently working with LE and doing what he can with phyco sis to get info and not piss her off. He must know that if he makes her mad she will just clam up like she does with her mother.
With all I have heard and I hope I am wrong this little angle is with a lot nicer people than she was here on earth.
God bless little Caylee!

MtnMom
08-01-2008, 10:48 AM
Ok, I have been lurking on this case and another one for a long time and I just feel like I need to post my "theory". I think that Caylee is safe and I think that this is some sort of stunt to get Caylees reward money. I cannot explain the cadiver dogs, or some of the other things, but I think there is more going on here than just Oh, she killed her and is now trying to cover it up JMO. After watching Nancy Grace last night and hearing the transcripts from Caseys and Lees phone conversation - It seems like they were speaking in codes of somesort and I think Lee knows what is going on. I think that Casey was told to watch what she says of Caylee would be killed. I don't know this is JMO.

Nedthan Johns
08-01-2008, 11:43 AM
Medea: As far as the 24th...its only the ex bf's word and Casey's word...hard to know how credible...I'd also figure that a woman who was capable of inventing a fake job and fake babysitter is also capable of pretending to discipline her daughter who isn't there...

I agree, and capable of pretending she called on the day her mother dialed 911, but said when she tried to call back the number was disconnected. This is a manipulative, mentally disturbed woman.

Medea
08-01-2008, 11:53 AM
I'm kind of leaning now to may be she left Caylee in the trunk and was hoping the car would be stolen..I hadn't seen the purse was left there on the seat...if that had happened she could have blamed car jackers and if she was lucky and the car had been stolen right when she left it...the TOD might have matched up..IF somebody had stolen the car, but they didn't. So, she had to go back to her parents house and get the shovel...

I think that would/could put the death either right around the 24th or a couple days earlier...

I would hope that LE are going to be able to reconstruct where she was and what she did from the 15th to the 24th to get a reasonable idea of whether Caylee was alive during any of this time or not...

Not sure why the ex bf would lie, but he could be mistaken, or it could be correct, and then something happened that very day or the next day.

Hope this makes sense...it might not, not sure it matches up with the timing on the car being abandoned and the shovel being borrowed....

Nedthan Johns
08-01-2008, 12:05 PM
Medea,
Yeah the purse thing is throwing me. It ceratinly was left there on purpose. I think Casey went back and dug Caylee out of the garden and moved her. She may have tried to stage a scene, but did not realize the car had been towed and changed her story when her parents became involved.

I just wonder why we have not heard from her parents WHY she abandoned the car in the first place. If my daughter STOLE my car, I would be asking her why the hell she left it sitting in a parking lot with her purse in it?

Medea
08-01-2008, 12:13 PM
Medea,
Yeah the purse thing is throwing me. It ceratinly was left there on purpose. I think Casey went back and dug Caylee out of the garden and moved her. She may have tried to stage a scene, but did not realize the car had been towed and changed her story when her parents became involved.

I just wonder why we have not heard from her parents WHY she abandoned the car in the first place. If my daughter STOLE my car, I would be asking her why the hell she left it sitting in a parking lot with her purse in it?

Do we know what date the car was abandoned and how that tracks with the shovel request which I think was 'mid June" to the best of the neighbor's recollection.

The problem I'm having w/figuring this out is that Casey seems to have attributes of being very high functioning, and she sounds intelligent, but also to have attributes of just being TOTALLY WHACKED, like thinking she can tell LE she works at Universal and nobody is going to fact check her on it...delusional..she gets away with little lies so thinks big easy to disprove lies will work the same way.

I'm staying off the main thread..the speculation as gone completely over the top...the grandparents being 'in on it'...child sexual abuse...

I think the FBI laid out yesterday probably the litany of lies that have been proven and may have told the family whatever they know of Casey's movements that disprove what she has told them...and perhaps at least her father has now seen the light and is willing to be more forthcoming to LE...

kato
08-01-2008, 12:18 PM
I belive that Casey left Caylee in the car, while she was partying it up and that Casey suffocated from the extreme heat. I belive that she wasn't going to let the fact that she had Caylee with her stop her from her prior plans of partying that night.

I do have a couple of questions though...If any one knows where these subjects have been addressed, please let me know...TIA

1) Where did all of her partying buds think Caylee was at for the last month? Had Caylee always stayed with Grandma and Grandpa while her mom was out clubbing?

2) How long does it take before a body starts actually smelling so bad that it would linger for days?

3) How in the world would Casey's parents NOT know she wasn't working? I find that hard to believe.....when you live with someone you usually know their habits almost as good as your own, in my opinion.

4) Have the police comfiscated Casey and Tony's computers. (wasn't casey suppose to have been working from Tony's computer) I would like to know of there was any research done on gator parks in the vicinity.

I know I'm probably grasping at straws here, but this little angle has just reached out and grabbed my heart (like so many others here). I just pray that she didn't know any pain.

RE: the work or job. Example Lori Hacking. She had no clue that her hubby was not going to school.

CASuzk
08-01-2008, 03:01 PM
My best guess is an accidental death.
Casey's demeanor suggests someone who often has close calls with trouble and seems to get out of really deep trouble with a supportive group of enablers. Over and over, the public has been told that Casey is a "really good Mom" as if that makes up for lying, cheating, and stealing.
I think that Casey's detachment from reality right now is her belief that her child's death was accidental and as long as a body isn't found, she doesn't have to own up to it.
I also think that it is possible that she had the body in a couple of places before dumping it.

My guess is that she placed it in a trash bag and then in a large commercial dumpster at the same location she dumped the car. (I've noticed that men bury bodies but women tend to dump them in a hurry.) The pizza was left in car to cover up the odor.

housemouse
08-01-2008, 04:26 PM
I'm kind of leaning now to may be she left Caylee in the trunk and was hoping the car would be stolen..I hadn't seen the purse was left there on the seat...if that had happened she could have blamed car jackers and if she was lucky and the car had been stolen right when she left it...the TOD might have matched up..IF somebody had stolen the car, but they didn't. So, she had to go back to her parents house and get the shovel...

I think that would/could put the death either right around the 24th or a couple days earlier...

I would hope that LE are going to be able to reconstruct where she was and what she did from the 15th to the 24th to get a reasonable idea of whether Caylee was alive during any of this time or not...

Not sure why the ex bf would lie, but he could be mistaken, or it could be correct, and then something happened that very day or the next day.

Hope this makes sense...it might not, not sure it matches up with the timing on the car being abandoned and the shovel being borrowed....



Do we have any better date about when the shovel was borrowed than "mid-June"?

I posted on the thread I started that the 18th looks interesting, and as far as a theory goes, Casey could have, on an impulse, drugged Caylee, and either overdosed her, or left her in the car to die in the heat.

Then, in panic, because she was smart enough to know drugs would be found in Caylee's system, had to dispose of the body, and concoct an elaborate story to cover her butt. The body could have been disposed of in a dumpster, the gas borrowed to take the body to a distant dumpster, or she could have disposed of the body in a body of water. Those are all possibilities... alas, sigh, tearing up for this poor little one.

lostnfound85
08-01-2008, 06:43 PM
My theory is that Cayley's death was no accident, maybe a deliberate overdose of Xanax, (actually giving her any at all is illegal if not prescribed). She's basicially another Susan Smith, no remorse at all for her child.

LI_Mom
08-01-2008, 07:07 PM
Ok, I have been lurking on this case and another one for a long time and I just feel like I need to post my "theory". I think that Caylee is safe and I think that this is some sort of stunt to get Caylees reward money. I cannot explain the cadiver dogs, or some of the other things, but I think there is more going on here than just Oh, she killed her and is now trying to cover it up JMO. After watching Nancy Grace last night and hearing the transcripts from Caseys and Lees phone conversation - It seems like they were speaking in codes of somesort and I think Lee knows what is going on. I think that Casey was told to watch what she says of Caylee would be killed. I don't know this is JMO.

No offense to you, MtnMom but your comment reminded me of something I've been wanting to say for a while now.....


I am SOOOOOOOO sick of hearing the pundits theorizing that Casey is talking "in code."

What code?

As soon as the court refused the gag order & announced the taped telephone conversations would still be released to the public, everyone simply stopped using any names or specifics in their conversations.


Casey's stuck measuring every word & Lee is trying to to adopt her style to make her feel more comfortable & hoping she'll say SOMETHING useful.

What kind of "code" can it be if all they're doing is going around in the same circle.... the same old: she doesn't know anything but if she thinks of something, she'll let him know, absolutely.

Hart
08-02-2008, 12:41 PM
:waitasec:Why did she leave her purse in the car? That is the strangest thing about the abandoned vehicle. I have to wonder if the original plan (after the possible demise of Caylee) was to say she was carjacked with the baby in the car. Only plausible excuse I can think of for that purse. Who forgets their purse?

Muzikman
08-02-2008, 12:56 PM
:Who forgets their purse?

Somebody that is stoned/high!

Wise Old Owl
08-03-2008, 01:56 AM
Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo! Amy and Ricardo took her to PR - it was ok with Casey as they just passed it off as a vaca. But- Ricardo had real suspicions that she was his. As far as we know, only Amy came back. But no one can tell me if he did. Ricardo has had enough time to do a paternity test - of course it came back that she is his.

The FBI has the resources we know that. I 'm willing to bet they have already checked this all out and even have Caylee on video in PR with daddy. They showed all this to Cindy and George on Wed - in that 6 hour meeting - the video, the paternity test - everything. Being its her father and this media circus they have - its safer right now to leave her there because. . . . .

Problem is they still have a murder - there was still a body in Casey's trunk and this body is still missing. Now the FBI doesn't get involved in "local" crime so its up to the OC sheriff to solve that one - hence the meeting with OC on Friday. Casey is still "in trouble" as this "body " was in her trunk.

With all these "players" involved and the party /drug crowd she runs with - they just can't come out and say "WE FOUND HER" without jeopardizing this other murder investigation - so they have told Cindy and George that Caylee is fine - even showed them videos - BUT - your daughter is still in trouble. Once we solve (or at least get to the bottom of this other, local investigation) we will not make a statement. If you (Cindy or George) go public - well then - GAME OVER and we charge Casey with murder (of whoever).

This explains Cindy and, especially George tonight saying Caylee is alive and well. It puts up a ruse to the public (and whoever else is involved in the "murder") that it is still all about looking for Caylee and solving HER murder. I think there are searches being done - but not for a little girls body.

I know this could be way off base - but look at how LE is handling this case. I have followed a LOT of cases and have NEVER seen LE behave this way. I don't put much credence into how the family acts - no one knows how they will act when faced with this type of situation. But - LE - this is what they do and especially the FBI - I have a HUGE respect for them and they know their "****". They have already solved that Rockefeller case - only took them a matter of days.

Only time will tell us the truth - its in those forensics. Once they come back - and I believe they do have at least preliminary ones which may already prove its NOT Caylee. I could be wrong - but if I'm wrong then that little angel is gone and I don't want to see that.

Casey is showing no emotion - because she knows Caylee is not dead - I mean even Susan Smith was snottin' and crying about her boys - until she cracked and it only took 9 days. Casey is a nut job - but she was still a mother. She is just ashamed that she had one put over on her and now "daddy" has her - Amy could have told her the jigs up when she got back. But she is still involved in some type of murder - or at least a cover up.

Crazy? What do you think?

christine2448
08-03-2008, 01:58 AM
Crazy? What do you think?
I like it, IMO, FWIW....this is right up there with accidental death. I am still so open.

jdj8766
08-03-2008, 04:00 AM
I know I'm new on here and will probably get ripped for this, but here goes:

I actually feel for Cindy and George Anthony. Deep down, they have to know that Caylee is gone, but they are hanging on to whatever hope is left as any of us would do. They're trying to save what's left of their family and I can't fault them for that.

I have some experience in cases like this as a clerk for a high power defense attorney and unfortunately, I have a family member who reminds me of Casey Anthony.

I've learned from dealing with this person is that there is always one major lie and several smaller lies that are intended to keep you off their case.

Casey said that she spoke with Caylee on the day that her mother called 911. This proved to me that she knows Caylee is dead and this smaller lie on top of the bigger lie will keep people off her back. Her attorney knows she is guilty and has told her not to talk. If she keeps her mouth shut and everyone looks for the fictional babysitter rather than the girls dead body, the more likely it is that Casey will walk.

txsvicki
08-03-2008, 04:11 AM
I'm kind of leaning now to may be she left Caylee in the trunk and was hoping the car would be stolen..I hadn't seen the purse was left there on the seat...if that had happened she could have blamed car jackers and if she was lucky and the car had been stolen right when she left it...the TOD might have matched up..IF somebody had stolen the car, but they didn't. So, she had to go back to her parents house and get the shovel...

I think that would/could put the death either right around the 24th or a couple days earlier...

I would hope that LE are going to be able to reconstruct where she was and what she did from the 15th to the 24th to get a reasonable idea of whether Caylee was alive during any of this time or not...

Not sure why the ex bf would lie, but he could be mistaken, or it could be correct, and then something happened that very day or the next day.

Hope this makes sense...it might not, not sure it matches up with the timing on the car being abandoned and the shovel being borrowed....

Your theory makes sense to me. I thought I was the only one who thinks that Caylee may have been left in the trunk for a few days. Since we haven't been told exactly where the car was between the 16th and 27th when it was towed, it could have been left in another location for a few days. Maybe a failed or aborted plan to claim carjacking. The stolen gas could have even been an idea to burn the car, and burn forensic evidence.

my2cents
08-03-2008, 06:23 PM
Something just hit me like a ton of bricks...

I was talking on the phone to my nieces who are about to turn 3 in Sept.

Since the last time I spoke with them 2-3 mos ago, their vocabularies have gotten alot bigger and they make no apologies for airing my sister and bro-in-laws dirty laundry to me on the phone.

What if Casey killed Caylee because she was starting to talk more? If she was prancing around with a bunch of different men (using them for money and making them think they were the only one) then it's likely that Caylee was in tow most of the time.

Maybe she realized that Caylee was going to let the cat out of the bag. She had no job, was mooching off Tony, and really had no where to go but home. GP's probably had made it known that they were not going to support her any longer. She would either have to grow up and be responsible or get rid of her daughter.

ShouldBWorking
08-03-2008, 07:45 PM
GP's probably had made it known that they were not going to support her any longer. She would either have to grow up and be responsible or get rid of her daughter.

I don't believe the Anthony's EVER told her to grow up

my2cents
08-03-2008, 08:08 PM
I don't believe the Anthony's EVER told her to grow up

I doubt they did either. But looking at the financial problems in the family, I am willing to bet that something transpired prior to her leaving that had something to do with them telling her that they couldn't afford to take care of her anymore. She was trying to hold on to Tony for dear life so she could live there and continue the life she had (not working and partying).

Something else that strikes me...Cindy seemed to be the mother figure and Casey seemed to be more like the sister to Caylee (Cindy has stated that she took care of her, fed her, clothed her, etc.) She may have planned on taking her kid over to Tony's so she could mooch for her kid too. Casey probably had no clue how to take care of a kid since her mom had been doing it for 2 yrs. She probably lost her temper with Caylee.

websurfer
08-04-2008, 09:19 AM
I was thinking that after viewing those "SKANKY" party pics from
June 20-21
if you look on the pics { not sure what sequence they are in }
you will see Casey/some woman & Caylee smiling[ Casey always
smiles :smiley4:

they are wearing {Casey & her gal pal ] white tank tops.
you will see in this series of pics that a line of 5 women [Casey being one of them] standing in a line for a pic.
So obviously that pic was taken of the three of them the same day and time?

then in that same series you will see Casey doing her thing "SKANKING"
drinking and showing parts of her body to everyone etc....

Also you will see a pic of people snoozing in the bedroom
I think it is Casey with her boyfriend on the bed and another guy on the floor close by.
So where was Caylee after this wild party/Who was minding her?

So you see...
if we can get positive dates on all those pics
maybe we can pinpoint when the one with the tank tops were taken?

And timeframe for her going missing could more easily be established?

Ok now;
just going on pic info tells me Casey was not concerned with the welfare or whereabouts of Caylee.I think Caylee was in an apartment { was she still using diapers} or is Caylee Potty trained ?

I doubt MOMMY CASEY checked on her at any time to change her diaper or take her potty...or to feed her?

So....
I think this;
pure and simple;

Caylee was in an apartment which was NOT CHILDPROOF
with a bunch of party aninmals who were drinking,who knows what else?
She either wandered away or got into something
she should not have gotten into.
This is a group crime not a single one.
hypothetically of course.

We all know how curious and how much attention a 2 yr old gets.
The terrible twos....
most parents with tolerance just flow with a 2 year old but if one doesn't even know where the child is at all times and would rather hang out sleezin well
the kid goes missing or worse...

So I think it comes down to not watching her and she got hurt or something from not being in a child proof area.
any child would get hurt at that party.

See all the booze bottles ?
See all the stuff she probably got slapped for touching?
Kids pull stuff down on them,etc...
poor child is all I gotta say...

:saythat:

MayMay
08-04-2008, 11:14 AM
Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo! Amy and Ricardo took her to PR - it was ok with Casey as they just passed it off as a vaca. But- Ricardo had real suspicions that she was his. As far as we know, only Amy came back. But no one can tell me if he did. Ricardo has had enough time to do a paternity test - of course it came back that she is his.

The FBI has the resources we know that. I 'm willing to bet they have already checked this all out and even have Caylee on video in PR with daddy. They showed all this to Cindy and George on Wed - in that 6 hour meeting - the video, the paternity test - everything. Being its her father and this media circus they have - its safer right now to leave her there because. . . . .

Problem is they still have a murder - there was still a body in Casey's trunk and this body is still missing. Now the FBI doesn't get involved in "local" crime so its up to the OC sheriff to solve that one - hence the meeting with OC on Friday. Casey is still "in trouble" as this "body " was in her trunk.

With all these "players" involved and the party /drug crowd she runs with - they just can't come out and say "WE FOUND HER" without jeopardizing this other murder investigation - so they have told Cindy and George that Caylee is fine - even showed them videos - BUT - your daughter is still in trouble. Once we solve (or at least get to the bottom of this other, local investigation) we will not make a statement. If you (Cindy or George) go public - well then - GAME OVER and we charge Casey with murder (of whoever).

This explains Cindy and, especially George tonight saying Caylee is alive and well. It puts up a ruse to the public (and whoever else is involved in the "murder") that it is still all about looking for Caylee and solving HER murder. I think there are searches being done - but not for a little girls body.

I know this could be way off base - but look at how LE is handling this case. I have followed a LOT of cases and have NEVER seen LE behave this way. I don't put much credence into how the family acts - no one knows how they will act when faced with this type of situation. But - LE - this is what they do and especially the FBI - I have a HUGE respect for them and they know their "****". They have already solved that Rockefeller case - only took them a matter of days.

Only time will tell us the truth - its in those forensics. Once they come back - and I believe they do have at least preliminary ones which may already prove its NOT Caylee. I could be wrong - but if I'm wrong then that little angel is gone and I don't want to see that.

Casey is showing no emotion - because she knows Caylee is not dead - I mean even Susan Smith was snottin' and crying about her boys - until she cracked and it only took 9 days. Casey is a nut job - but she was still a mother. She is just ashamed that she had one put over on her and now "daddy" has her - Amy could have told her the jigs up when she got back. But she is still involved in some type of murder - or at least a cover up.

Crazy? What do you think?
I am with you on this one, she is too calm. I have a feeling that she knows Caylee is OK and alive and is waiting out her days. without a body and evidence she will go free and will never have to confess that she gave her away.

websurfer
08-04-2008, 11:25 AM
I am with you on this one, she is too calm. I have a feeling that she knows Caylee is OK and alive and is waiting out her days. without a body and evidence she will go free and will never have to confess that she gave her away.


not really sure she knows that.No proof so far that anybody has established any contact with whomever supposedly has Caylee.
It just all is too bizzare to believe really.

MayMay
08-04-2008, 11:28 AM
not really sure she knows that.No proof so far that anybody has established any contact with whomever supposedly has Caylee.
It just all is too bizzare to believe really.
my theory is that she gave her away and this is how she knows that Caylee is OK, not that anyone reached out to her.

Medea
08-04-2008, 11:51 AM
not really sure she knows that.No proof so far that anybody has established any contact with whomever supposedly has Caylee.
It just all is too bizzare to believe really.

I agree, she's sitting in jail and while not officially charged with murder, its clear LE thinks she killed her daughter.

It would make no sense to sit in jail knowing that your daughter was alive and well but still refusing to remove yourself from suspicion while not giving any believable reasons for refusing to cooperate.

Wise Old Owl
08-04-2008, 01:10 PM
I am with you on this one, she is too calm. I have a feeling that she knows Caylee is OK and alive and is waiting out her days. without a body and evidence she will go free and will never have to confess that she gave her away.
she didn't "give her away" - her daddy had enough of mommie's wild ways and took her - yet there is still a "body" - there is still human decomp - there is still something else that casey is involved in.

Nedthan Johns
08-04-2008, 01:26 PM
Medea,

I agree, some of the theories on the main thread are really far out and keeping up on that thread is difficult. I like your car snatching theory, would be interested in knowing if she left the keys in the car. The problem that bothers me with this thinking (and we can never put ourselves in Casey's mind, since she is mentally ill) but once her mother found out the car was stollen and knew Casey's had stollen it, Casey never denies it. This was her perfect chance to say she doesn't know who took it. But Casey admits to it, therefore Cindy calls the cops to have her arrested for grand theft. So if Casey staged this event, why undo the staging?

Medea
08-04-2008, 01:41 PM
Medea,

I agree, some of the theories on the main thread are really far out and keeping up on that thread is difficult. I like your car snatching theory, would be interested in knowing if she left the keys in the car. The problem that bothers me with this thinking (and we can never put ourselves in Casey's mind, since she is mentally ill) but once her mother found out the car was stollen and knew Casey's had stollen it, Casey never denies it. This was her perfect chance to say she doesn't know who took it. But Casey admits to it, therefore Cindy calls the cops to have her arrested for grand theft. So if Casey staged this event, why undo the staging?

I'm a little hazy on a few facts, such as how much access Casey had to her parents home when they were not around and so what timeframe do police theorize there was a dead body in the yard...mid June?

So, I don't know if that theory....Caylee dies/is killed...Casey stuffs her in the trunk and leaves the car somewhere hoping it will be car jacked...when that doesn't happen she then goes to her parent's house, gets the shovel and dispose of the remains somewhere else.

And on second thought, that might not be very realistic...the chances of the car being stolen..would they really outweigh it being returned or reported to its owner with your daughter's body in the trunk? That would be a REALLY risky strategy, even if you left your purse visible on the seat....IF the car was found w/the body still in it...Casey would be toast.

websurfer
08-04-2008, 04:56 PM
What IF the babysitter is actually a known pedaphile?

What if the person presented herself to Casey as a babysitter and met her outside as she claims ?
What if the woman was a child molester ?

not so far fetched,
we all have heard where molestation goes on for years before being discovered.

Casey may be protecting her child after finding out his situation/
I mean priests have done this
teachers/
all sorts of people
and gotten away with it for a long time.

So just throwing another wrench into the mix...
what if a pedaphile was somewhere near where Casey was partying/
look what happened in

the Danaille Vandam case.Turned out to be a neighbor who snuck into their home while people were there...
so nothing is impossible...
if a perv wants a child

Medea
08-04-2008, 04:58 PM
What IF the babysitter is actually a known pedaphile?

What if the person presented herself to Casey as a babysitter and met her outside as she claims ?
What if the woman was a child molester ?

not so far fetched,
we all have heard where molestation goes on for years before being discovered.

Casey may be protecting her child after finding out his situation/
I mean priests have done this
teachers/
all sorts of people
and gotten away with it for a long time.

So just throwing another wrench into the mix...
what if a pedaphile was somewhere near where Casey was partying/
look what happened in

the Danaille Vandam case.Turned out to be a neighbor who snuck into their home while people were there...
so nothing is impossible...
if a perv wants a child

It still doens't explain why LE cannot find any traces of the babysitter...also pretty unlikely that a 26 year old woman...which is how Casey describes the babysitter...would be a pedophile.

Even if the babysitter used fake name...there should be witnesses and neighbors who can confirm that she existed.

Everywhere Casey claimed she lived was a lie.

icherish
08-04-2008, 08:32 PM
If it was as simple as Casey giving Caylee away, or Casey has someone hiding her, surely she would have divulged that by now. I keep asking myself, why would she sit in jail all this time being uncooperative, with these terrible charges hanging over? To conduct her own investigation? To "protect" people, to protect Caylee? That is ludicrous. That might fly in a Hollywood movie plot, but not in real life. IRL that makes zero sense. Not only that, but in the weeks prior to her arrest, I don't think we've heard of ANY proof or behavior that shows Casey was investigating or that she was afraid of anything or concerned about protection. She came up with that after she got busted.

As wonderful as it is to think Caylee is alive somewhere, spirited away and in a safe haven...no matter how I theorize it, it just won't add up. People may lie, but the evidence does not. And sadly, the evidence thus far suggests something much more ominous. Casey has lead LE down false trails and dead ends. There has been nothing but numerous inconsistencies and outright lies told by the one person who should be moving heaven and earth to help LE locate her daughter. There is no natural justification for that. Mark Klaas has lived it and he says if you've got nothing to hide you just don't do it. I have to believe him.
And then it always goes back to the human decomp in the car and yard. Pizza and squirrels don't add up. Someone is dead, but who? Well, there is still a missing little girl and no one has a clue as to her whereabouts. And a pathological liar is sitting in jail "conducting her own investigation."

There's only one reason for Casey to behave as she has. It is because the child is not ok, Casey knows the child is not ok and she is the only one to answer for it.

crowhead
08-05-2008, 10:28 AM
What if the real father wanted Caylee and Casey hid her, a fight broke out between Casey and the father and he ended up dead. Casey then went to her parents for help and they helped hide the body of the father. The person that Casey gave Caylee to found out what happened and is holding out for a pay out or they are going to give up the Anthonys.

french75
08-05-2008, 12:27 PM
What if the real father wanted Caylee and Casey hid her, a fight broke out between Casey and the father and he ended up dead. Casey then went to her parents for help and they helped hide the body of the father. The person that Casey gave Caylee to found out what happened and is holding out for a pay out or they are going to give up the Anthonys.

I think that's within the realm of possibility. I wouldn't rule out that there is some other serious crime that is being covered up here, hence the hits from the dogs.

crowhead
08-05-2008, 12:34 PM
Maybe the real father came forth on Father's Day. Cindy telling Casey that she gave her 31 days is refering to cleaning up this mess and getting Caylee back. Caylee went out to the clubs to keep up appearances as if nothing had happened, if they were covering up the murder of someone else this would make more sense. I think that they planned on the car being stolen but when it was towed it linked them back to the evidence in the trunk.

Rebound
08-05-2008, 06:18 PM
Hello—I’ve been lurking on this thread for quite a while. Here’s my theory:

What if Casey had an alcohol/drug blackout? Imagine her waking up, and feeling something awful happened, but not remembering it exactly. (“What happened last night?! Where’s Caylee?!”) Maybe she found Caylee’s body, maybe she dumped it, maybe she gave her to someone-- and she remembers some of it, but not clearly. She really doesn’t know what happened.

So, she makes stuff up or tells half-truths (“I took her to Zanny”, “I didn’t have much gas or money , she must be close”, ”She’s with her father”, “Oh, she’s at the sitter’s”). She tells Lee what she suspects, and he says write down what you remember. A blackout kinda explains their cryptic conversations.

What would everyone think?! Shame, guilt, horror close in. She’s frantic. She’d lose her friends, custody of Caylee (if she’s alive), family would be devastated, Mom furious—it’s all too much. So, she just clams up and carries on as usual, talks in code, lies to everyone, and now she’s stuck in jail. Gps suspect but don’t know what’s going on, so they cover up, hoping against hope that Caylee shows up.

Now, DNA is in, Casey is pretty sure Caylee’s dead, maybe she fesses up to a blackout, and now LE doesn’t know where Caylee is, either.

So LE tries to catch up on WebSleuth posts. :)

This is NOT an excuse for anyone’s behavior, including the family. I just can’t think of any other reason why a seemingly loving (but narcissistic) Mom would do this. It sort of explains the 911 calls, and the general family goofiness.

Sorry if I posted to the wrong thread, or if it has been discussed already. Keeping up with Casey is more than a full time job, as many people in her life have already discovered.

Poor Caylee. If she’s alive, she must be so confused and scared to death. Poor little girl.

SleuthyGal
08-05-2008, 07:57 PM
I do not believe Caylee is alive. Those cadaver dogs 'hit' on the trunk of that car for a reason. They are highly trained animals, with no agenda other than to work as trained and get the job done.

So, with that said, Caylee, IMHO, is dead and has been the entire time she's been "missing."

Mother is responsible for her death, though I don't know if it was 'murder' or 'manslaughter,' intentional or unintentional, but I believe her mother killed her or caused her death.

I also believe Casey put that body in either some body of water like a marshy swamp (hoping that alligators would dispose of her--sorry--but that's my theory) or something similar. I don't believe Caylee's body is going to be found UNLESS her mother confesses and then leads them to it (again, IMHO).

I further believe that Casey will continue to lie, obfuscate, and make up little riddles as a way to keep the ruse going. She's a pathological liar and I don't think she's going to break unless there's some deal cut on her behalf, and even then, maybe not. She's a tough little nut, that one.

As for the family, who knows. The grandmother is histrionic and I think she either knows or believes deep/deep/deep down that her granddaughter is dead, but she's continuing with the ruse to try and protect her daughter. Her lashing out at the media is one indication. She's doing the proverbial 'bite the hand that feeds you' dance, which to me indicates 2 parts deception mixed with 1 part pure whackadoo. Shaken, then stirred.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

housemouse
08-05-2008, 07:58 PM
To me, it seems that there are several places that Casey could have left Caylee's body.

1. in water, weighted down.
2. buried, but what would she have wrapped Caylee with
3. in a dumpster, considering the Colorado murder.

Anyone else have any thoughts on how Casey might have disposed of Caylee's body?

websurfer
08-06-2008, 10:13 AM
my theory is that she gave her away and this is how she knows that Caylee is OK, not that anyone reached out to her.


All over the place?
nobody could hide her that well could they?

:confused:

websurfer
08-06-2008, 10:14 AM
To me, it seems that there are several places that Casey could have left Caylee's body.

1. in water, weighted down.
2. buried, but what would she have wrapped Caylee with
3. in a dumpster, considering the Colorado murder.

Anyone else have any thoughts on how Casey might have disposed of Caylee's body?



where she left the car...

RebeccaAdrianne
08-06-2008, 11:40 AM
Originally Posted by SWAG1959 View Post
"Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo!"

If that's the case where's Ricardo? Has he left town? Where is this theory about Ricardo coming from? Has he been MIA since this whole thing went down?

Just a logical question...

RebeccaAdrianne
08-06-2008, 11:42 AM
All over the place?
nobody could hide her that well could they?

:confused:


YES, they can.... ELIZABETH SMART! Perfect example as to how someone can be missing and under everyone's nose. She even recalls watching news media coverage about herself and couldn't come forward.

Hisimage
08-06-2008, 11:51 AM
where she left the car...

I have wondered about the water theroy as well. Especially because I heard somewhere, Im not sure where I heard they laid new cement. What if they laid the cement to cover the reason they really bought the cement.??

I have also wondered about the blackout theroy someone posted a little earlier and she actually forgot where Caylee is.

Who knows, maybe she has a split personality and she is really "the babysitter".

I am worried because they are all so calm. Not even giving one hint of "what if we are caught". do they really think they are that good at getting away with this?

RebeccaAdrianne
08-06-2008, 12:30 PM
I have wondered about the water theroy as well. Especially because I heard somewhere, Im not sure where I heard they laid new cement. What if they laid the cement to cover the reason they really bought the cement.??


They didn't lay new cement or concrete, they laid pavers.

The report on the cement has been reported as...

The report on the cement has been reported as being incorrect per LE news conference. They had some pavers in the back but LE took those up during the search.

Wise Old Owl
08-06-2008, 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by SWAG1959 View Post
"Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo!"

If that's the case where's Ricardo? Has he left town? Where is this theory about Ricardo coming from? Has he been MIA since this whole thing went down?

Just a logical question...
Ah - now that is the million dollar question. We "think" he has been questioned by LE - I believe that has been stated somewhere in this myriad of thousands and thousands of posting documents. But, he could have been questioned over the phone because he is still in Puerto Rico. I have asked and asked and no one can tell me if he has come back from PR - we know Amy did and Casey picked her up at the airport - well if he did too - why weren't BOTH of them picked up by Casey? A new one thrown into this is JP Chatt - he also has big ties to Puerto Rico as well. Ricardo is supposedly ex-LE - yet I have yet to hear what department, division, etc. etc. To me silence is more telling in cases like this than any lie put out there. Take that as you will.

belleyes
08-06-2008, 03:09 PM
IMO ( brace yourselves it may be out there) what if grandpa is really daddy which explains why Mommy appears to have overly sexualized b/x. Mommy decides to protect baby by "sending her away"

wanttohelp
08-06-2008, 03:21 PM
I think she was involved in drug smuggling maybe with the m13, she is giving a what looks like m13 hand signal in pic at fusion and profile with all the guns has same sign. These people are connected to the DBC pr company and now with the cans being so important, that profile with "I am the boy that set your girl on fire" is really creepy".
UPDATE:
If links dont work checkout http://www.myspace.com/southernseedz
This is the contact for the DBC posting on craigslist. In pics at Fusian were shirts with DBC. Also in a fusian pic is casey signaling m13 in a pic? I think the page is done by the same person as under friends "Mrmann", also the profile "Pro" http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570 that has the quote "I am the boy that set your girl on fire" the other guy in the pic looks like friend "blackshades" who has a second myspace profile in the "blackshades" friends list "franz". His pics include gang signs, drugs, guns. Is his hand signal also m13, similar to caseys in pic at club?

1.Craigslist Posting

"What up Rock Bands of all kinds I'm Dru with D.B.C Entertainment
and our current project is putting together a few local bands every
week to play LIVE in front of a large Fusian audience if interested
contact Drew Heyman @ DBCentertainment@gmail.com
or www.myspace.com/scoobydru
www.myspace.com/southernseedz
Drew Heyman (954)993-1400 for further info."
2.This is a friend of Caseys.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ve9878/pro.jpg

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570
PRO
"I am the boy that set your girl on fire"
Male
21 years old
Winter Park, FLORIDA
United States
3.I believe these are the same people:(MRmann, southernseedz, Pro)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=24379052
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570
http://www.myspace.com/southernseedz (white guy in pic)
4.I think the black guy in the southernseedz pic is this guy with 2 profiles (blackshades, franz)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=80391204
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=201042200

Look at all these guns and drugs!!!Blackshades myspace pics
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...2200&albumId=0

Vegas Bride
08-06-2008, 03:34 PM
Because of the cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard, imo Caylee was killed there at the house. Because gp is saying how he saw Casey and Caylee leave the house on Monday, imo he is covering for her and does know things after the fact. Casey could have hidden the body until she was ready to move her to a more permanent location. She could have been in the playhouse or even unside the sandbox with the cover on. The day she borrowed the shovel, backed the car into the garage and stole the gas cans was when Caylee was moved, her body would have already been decomposing so even if she had only moved her a short distance there would have been a very strong smell left in the trunk. Casey used the gas to burn, either the body or other evidence she needed to get rid of or both.
Casey went to look at the apartment on the 17th impersonating the so-called nanny and began weaving the tale she would use.
The thing I can't get a handle on now since Caylee hasn't been found is, how did she die? Father's day had just happened, did Caylee get curious and begin asking where her father was, who her father is? Did that trigger something inside Casey and she snapped? I don't see it as something accidental, if it was an accident she could have called for help, something happened that Casey felt very responsible for and she had to cover it up before it was found out.
I saw something on the local news the other day, a man was seen outside of a hotel, kicking his baby girl like a football! Someone saw it and called police. Turns out he was mad at the mother and took it out on the baby, baby was found with a big bruise on her face. What I'm trying to say is, many times someone does something in the heat of anger, that baby was lucky and was not killed, Caylee was not so lucky.

VB

Cheetah
08-06-2008, 04:38 PM
I believe something happened inside the house on the night of the 15th.

If accidental then Casey started a fight with her mother on the 16th because she had no choice but to make her mother believe she was taking Caylee. I don't believe this because she would have just as easily planned a home invasion kidnap type story.

If an act of rage then I think it happened on the night of the 15th. There was a fight a Casey wanted Caylee gone. Casey mentioned in her first phone call "all they want is Caylee back" and her mom referred to jealousy in her myspace blog. Obviously Casey was jealous of Caylee. She reminds me of a spoiled teenager. I don't think she ever felt a motherly bond with Caylee, I am almost positive Cindy took care of this child. Having a child also changed things, her parents wanted her to be responsible,etc. I am sure there were many fights about Casey's partying lifestyle.

I believe she visited the apartment and used the name Zenaida to start a paper trail, she stole the gas cans to avoid her movements being traced on her mother's credit card, she left her purse in the car with a plan to report a carjacking.

Casey thinks she is a brilliant liar...and she is good. But I think things kept happening because she wasn't good enough to make her child disappear.
.

Truthful Lies
08-06-2008, 05:58 PM
I think Casey left home with Caylee to show that she could indeed do it herself or to spite GM......Caylee begged for GM and the only home she had ever known....Casey can't take it anymore as she's used to being able to do minimal parenting with Caylee...Caylee keeps asking for GM and Casey snaps. Puts Caylee's body in the trunk to figure out what to do...abandons the car to burn it later on so that she looks like a victim as well....Mom finds her before she can insert herself as a victim as well and ruins her plan. Has to backtrack and leave some bread crumbs. Just a wild theory!

lv2bgoing
08-06-2008, 07:11 PM
I think she was involved in drug smuggling maybe with the m13, she is giving a what looks like m13 hand signal in pic at fusion and profile with all the guns has same sign. These people are connected to the DBC pr company and now with the cans being so important, that profile with "I am the boy that set your girl on fire" is really creepy".
UPDATE:
If links dont work checkout http://www.myspace.com/southernseedz
This is the contact for the DBC posting on craigslist. In pics at Fusian were shirts with DBC. Also in a fusian pic is casey signaling m13 in a pic? I think the page is done by the same person as under friends "Mrmann", also the profile "Pro" http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570 that has the quote "I am the boy that set your girl on fire" the other guy in the pic looks like friend "blackshades" who has a second myspace profile in the "blackshades" friends list "franz". His pics include gang signs, drugs, guns. Is his hand signal also m13, similar to caseys in pic at club?

1.Craigslist Posting

"What up Rock Bands of all kinds I'm Dru with D.B.C Entertainment
and our current project is putting together a few local bands every
week to play LIVE in front of a large Fusian audience if interested
contact Drew Heyman @ DBCentertainment@gmail.com
or www.myspace.com/scoobydru
www.myspace.com/southernseedz
Drew Heyman (954)993-1400 for further info."
2.This is a friend of Caseys.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e1...ve9878/pro.jpg

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570
PRO
"I am the boy that set your girl on fire"
Male
21 years old
Winter Park, FLORIDA
United States
3.I believe these are the same people:(MRmann, southernseedz, Pro)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=24379052
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...riendid=687570
http://www.myspace.com/southernseedz (white guy in pic)
4.I think the black guy in the southernseedz pic is this guy with 2 profiles (blackshades, franz)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=80391204
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=201042200

Look at all these guns and drugs!!!Blackshades myspace pics
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...2200&albumId=0

I could not get to most of the myspace pages. must of delelted them for evidence.
I just seen on the news channel 6 florida that they think possibly she possed as the babysitter and filled out the guest card at the appartments she must of discissed herself.:behindbar
that quote above by Pro creaps me out. How far is Winter Park from there house?:confused:

tttterri
08-06-2008, 07:19 PM
I'm sorry folks but I just can't give up hope until LE gives us a definite statement that Caylee is no longer alive. Has anyone wondered at all about the possibility that prostitution may be a part of this scene? I found this news report for Tampa today and it is dated June 24. It is about a woman leaving her child with a sitter, who was also her pimp and he kept the child from her. Things like this do happen. I also wonder if anyone has given thought to possibly someone besides Casey might have looked at that apt? This is a theory thread so I thought I would post. Here is the link to the Tampa story, amazing that it is so recent.
http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml (http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml)

wanttohelp
08-06-2008, 07:57 PM
I think winter park is a part of the orlando area. Reread the whole post again and go to the myspace pages through the update directions after. but the post explains who each is.

I could not get to most of the myspace pages. must of delelted them for evidence.
I just seen on the news channel 6 florida that they think possibly she possed as the babysitter and filled out the guest card at the appartments she must of discissed herself.:behindbar
that quote above by Pro creaps me out. How far is Winter Park from there house?:confused:

Dryad
08-06-2008, 08:07 PM
I'm sorry folks but I just can't give up hope until LE gives us a definite statement that Caylee is no longer alive. Has anyone wondered at all about the possibility that prostitution may be a part of this scene? I found this news report for Tampa today and it is dated June 24. It is about a woman leaving her child with a sitter, who was also her pimp and he kept the child from her. Things like this do happen. I also wonder if anyone has given thought to possibly someone besides Casey might have looked at that apt? This is a theory thread so I thought I would post. Here is the link to the Tampa story, amazing that it is so recent.
http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml (http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml)

In the Orange County criminal records, I found a Cynthia M. Anthony involved in a prostitution case in 2005, although I realize it's a popular name and the chances there is another one is probably very possible.
I think the birthdate was off, so I didn't dig any deeper.

wedavis
08-06-2008, 11:52 PM
I'm sorry folks but I just can't give up hope until LE gives us a definite statement that Caylee is no longer alive. Has anyone wondered at all about the possibility that prostitution may be a part of this scene? I found this news report for Tampa today and it is dated June 24. It is about a woman leaving her child with a sitter, who was also her pimp and he kept the child from her. Things like this do happen. I also wonder if anyone has given thought to possibly someone besides Casey might have looked at that apt? This is a theory thread so I thought I would post. Here is the link to the Tampa story, amazing that it is so recent.
http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml (http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/062308/D91FN9V82.shtml)

I think that is a good theory. Admitting to being a prostitute would be hard. Drugs, eh, so what, but a prostitute that may explain her obstinance and lies.

I just thought of something that happend when I was about 15. My parent's were fighting and I said something (can't remember exactly) in an attempt to stand up for my mom or take her side.

We were in the car and after I said this my dad reached back and hit he on the leg hard. (Yes we is an *******.) Anyway, I was reading all these posts about jealousy and maybe Casey was in a rage because Caylee was calling for Cindy or refused to stop calling Cindy mom. Maybe Casey just snapped. They say sometimes you don't know someone is crazy until they get really mad...

QuickAttack
08-07-2008, 12:58 AM
My theory:

Here's how I think it went down.

Since we suspect that she was already setting up a story on the 17th by visiting the Sawgrass as "Zenaida," then I believe that it happened on the 16th. Maybe the morning of the 17th.

I'm guessing that there was a throw-down between Cindy and Casey on the night of the 15th/morning of the 16th about Casey's lifestyle...Cindy was always having to watch Caylee while Casey partied like a rock star and refused to get a job. Additionally, Casey always asserted herself as Caylee's mother, but took no responsibility for Caylee--her hackles went up anytime Cindy said something about the party environment that she exposed Caylee to, and about Casey doing nothing to help with household bills. But mostly, she wanted Casey to be a responsible parent to her daughter, and to realize that mothers don't go out and party and sleep around when they have children...but Casey laid the guilt trip on Cindy..."You told me when I came to you pregnant that you wanted me to have this baby. But I never intended to give up my social life!" Casey got sick of telling Cindy, "I'm her mother, so you really have no say in how I raise Caylee. If you don't like it, we'll just leave, and you'll never see her again."

Casey and Caylee left.

Maybe Caylee asked to go see CiCi. Maybe she said she missed CiCi. In anger and because of resentment toward Cindy, Casey retalliated against Cindy the most painful way she could. She killed Casey on the 16th not long after a verbal spat with her mother...and then she set in motion actions covering the murder with the babysitter story.

She visited the Sawgrass as "Zaneida," to set up the babysitter story. A week later, though, she still had Caylee's body in the trunk. She went home on the 22nd or 23rd to bury the baby in the back yard. She backed into the garage, then went next door to borrow the shovel. She unloaded Caylee from the trunk, and carried her and the shovel to the back yard. She set Caylee on the ground. Then she started digging. She realized that the ground was too hard for her to dig deep enough to conceal the body, so she put the body back in the trunk, and then she used the shovel to break into the shed. She took the gas to either burn the body or to burn evidence (clothing, stuff in the trunk that the body had leaked decomp fluids onto, possibly her clothes). She left the home and disposed of the body. More than likely, she buried it somewhere.

After Cindy retrieved Casey and brought her home on July 15th, after LE left, at some point she told George and Cindy what she did. They engaged in her story about Zanny and hid evidence in the car before LE took it on the evening of the 16th. And they've been lying and obsfucating ever since...to protect Casey. It is very possible that Lee knows, too. If you read the exchanges on myspace between Casey and Lee, it's evident that theirs is an oddly close relationship. Big brother would protect little sister, even though he's disgusted at what she did.

A couple of nights ago, Cindy told Rozzie Franco, "I'm not going to lose another one." They know Caylee is dead, and they don't want to lose Casey--either to prison or to Ol' Sparky (or the needle, if that's what Florida's using these days).

That's my theory, anyway.

Patty G
08-07-2008, 11:50 AM
Just got finish briefly watching OTR show 8/6/08 with Mark Furhman

6/15/2008 - Cindy and Casey take a swim in the pool, come out, take the ladder away.
My question: Where was Caylee when Cindy and Casey went in the pool? Was George home and watching Caylee, was Caylee in the house sleeping?

6/16/2008 - Casey and Caylee in the house. Cindy already at work.
My question: What time does Cindy start work?

6/16/08 - George sees Casey and Caylee at 12:50 PM with backpacks on their way out the door.
My question: Did George see Caylee have lunch, breakfast, use potty, bath, playing etc.? A child may get up at 7:00 AM to almost 1:00 PM that 6 hours of unaccountable time in that household. Is there a bathroom in Casey's room?

6/16/08 - George leaves for work at 2:30 PM

6/16/08 - starting at 3:00 PM and ending at 4:00 PM there are numerous phone calls from Casey to her father, mother and friends. Quick phone calls although cellphone records would show a minute because you are charged a minute even if the call is 2 seconds.

My question: How far is it from the Anthony household to George's employment? Did George really have a job at that time? (Cindy said at the bond hearing George just started a new job on July 15th.) Why didn't George have his cellphone on? Could it be because of "pings" re" his whereabouts?

Thinking out loud: All these phone calls are within 2 hours after Casey left her parents house with Caylee. I find it very odd, that Cindy and George didn't answer Casey's calls within that hour. I know they both maybe at work, but most folks working leave their cell phones on "perhaps" on vibrator mode" so they know when they get a phone call. George is suppose to be en-route to his house and Casey starts calling Cindy/George etc. at 3:00 PM.

6/16/08 - starting at 6:00 PM to 7:30 PM Casey starts calling Cindy, George and others and no connection. Just minutes phone calls which could be just a few second phone calls.

6/16/08 - No more phone calls were made after 7:30 PM.

6/17/08 - Anthony's "allegedly" notice that the ladder was back in the pool and the gate to the pool was open.
My question: Exactly what time did the Anthony's find the pool gate open?

6/17/08 - "Allegedly" it is now suspect that Casey pretended to be "Zanny" and filled out a guest card at the Sawgrass Apartments on June 17, 2008 rather than what was reported as April 17, 2008.
My question: Is there a time on that guest card?

6/17/08 - I believe Mark reported on numerous phone calls back to back on the 17th of June also.
Note to self ... watch tape again! :)
My thoughts: It seems odd that on the 16th and 17th no phone calls were answered.
My question: Were any phone calls ever returned to Casey?

6/18/08 - Mark Furhman feels the shovel was borrowed from the neighbor as well as the same day the neighbor sees Casey's car backed into the driveway.
My thoughts: Neighbor needs to try an pin point a time Casey borrowed the shovel. Was it after 2:30 PM when George apparently goes to work?

Based on the above time-frame, I feel June 16th is the last day Caylee took a breath of air sometime after 2:00 - 2:30 PM

I feel that Casey borrowed the shovel after Geroge left for work around 2:30 PM on June 17, 2008. Casey back into the driveway and went across the street to get the shovel, Casey brought Caylee out of the trunk and Casey went through the garage to the backyard.

I feel Casey put Caylee on the ground and then put the ladder in the pool. When she realized the pool idea wasn't a good one, she went to another area, possibly near the playhouse and put Caylee down and was going to attempt to dig a hole under the playhouse knowing fully a concrete slab was going to be placed there on July 4th.
(Don't know if Caylee is in the backyard or not, just feel it all went down on June 16th)

I also feel that the shed was broken into on June 17th. George tells Greta he believes the last time he was in the shed was Sunday which would be June 22nd, but I think he was last in the shed on June 15th, Father's Day, while Cindy and Caylee were at the nursing home.

I still hear Casey's words "She is close to home".

I so want LE to break through that concrete and take a better look.

shemc
08-07-2008, 01:39 PM
Just got finish briefly watching OTR show 8/6/08 with Mark Furhman

I also feel that the shed was broken into on June 17th. George tells Greta he believes the last time he was in the shed was Sunday which would be June 22nd, but I think he was last in the shed on June 15th, Father's Day, while Cindy and Caylee were at the nursing home.

I still hear Casey's words "She is close to home".

I so want LE to break through that concrete and take a better look.

Yea I agree they don't really know when the shed robbery thing actually happened. But, I guess it was sometime between the times that george cuts the grass. He made it sound like he wasn't sure. That shed is over to the side of the house, out of normal site where one would notice when they go out to back yard.

Also, do we know for sure it was "poured" concrete or was it a matter of putting down pavers, similar to what they have near the back door?

CitizenKim
08-07-2008, 02:07 PM
Here's some pure speculation on what happened to Caylee while in the "care" of her mother.

6/15 - Casey and parents not getting along- Father's Day wkd- Casey feeling extra familial pressure, fights w/mom and decides to punish her by taking Caylee and staying elsewhere.

6/16- around 1pm Caylee is last seen leaving w/Casey both have backpacks and Casey says will be home very late if at all.

-Casey comes back over when parents are at work (sometime after 2:30pm) retrieves Xanax from stash or does anyone in home have prescription?
-Casey drugs the child as she's done before but this time gives her too much and Caylee throws up/has seizures/get violently ill?
-Casey panics and makes flurry of phone calls trying to call mom and dad at various numbers each 6 times along w/2 calls to unknown?
-Casey can't get in touch with anyone, doesn't get proper help and Caylee stops breathing.
-I think she wrapped Caylee up in blankets and trash bags and put her in the trunk.
-maybe put the ladder there- thinking I'll put her in the water and say that's what happened- decides against that- can't even accept that responsibility.

She rationalizes it -oops accident- they really should have answered my calls! This allows her to compartmentalize and not blame herself- she just needs to get rid of the problem. She begins to spin elaborate story to explain Caylee's disappearance. Her parents are kept at bay by aggravation story- they are used to her using this child as a pawn.

6/17- goes to Sawgrass apts as Zanny. I think Zanny may be a recurring character that Casey invented when she drugged the child -giving her Xanax and saying she's with Zanny the nanny so she could go out and party. People often give their drug of choice a "name" so they can talk about it safely.

-plans to somehow open a window so she can return later and hide the child in the empty apt - police would think Zanny had access to the child and this apt- Casey could say- damn that nanny!
-She may have done this before as an empty apartment would be a "child proof" place to leave sleeping child who's been drugged.
-something didn't work out- unable to leave an opening or she changed her mind.

6/18- goes home, backing into the driveway and borrows the neighbors shovel.

-plans to bury the child under the playhouse but digging is tough, she's worried about parents coming home or she just changes her mind.
-flurry of phone calls could be to parents- trying to find there whereabouts and make sure they're not coming home?
-not sure of the timing of these calls- if they're later she could have been trying to solicit help- trying to figure out alternative place for the body.

Was plan b to dispose of Caylee where she wouldn't be found- perhaps in the water and then leave her car somewhere w/purse in it and torch it? Hoping people would assume they both died and Casey could disappear with the money she'd been stealing.
If someone runs out of gas why would they take both gas cans? One is enough to get gas until you can get to a gas station.

7/3- Cindy despairs- writing of her frustration at not seeing Caylee- blaming daughter's betrayal and jealousy

Finally she crosses someone who doesn't let her get away w/it - Amy tells her mom about stolen money and where to locate Casey.

7/15- Cindy has been kept away from Caylee for a month and she's had enough- calls 911.

-Casey still tries to delay- telling her mom- she's w/the sitter I'll take you to her in the morning.
-Casey takes a deep breath and tries to spin and stick to her story.

She has been able to get away w/outrageous lies before -thus leading the cops around Universal before willing to let even that one go.

I think police have filed just enough charges to keep her off the streets and she may be cracking. Maybe she told her attorney's not to let family come for visit bc things they say could be "dangerous" - its getting harder to lie to parents bc you can hear it in Cindy's reassurances --"I believe Caylee is still alive bc there's no way Casey would put us through this" - I'm sorry but I think she would and is putting everyone through this charade.

I tried to make this one short because I went on forever on my blog but I'm slightly obsessed and just trying to put it all together!

Patty G
08-07-2008, 02:08 PM
Yea I agree they don't really know when the shed robbery thing actually happened. But, I guess it was sometime between the times that george cuts the grass. He made it sound like he wasn't sure. That shed is over to the side of the house, out of normal site where one would notice when they go out to back yard.

Also, do we know for sure it was "poured" concrete or was it a matter of putting down pavers, similar to what they have near the back door?

I heard pavers via LE, but someone called in a tip regarding pouring concrete.

Love_Mama
08-07-2008, 02:21 PM
For what it's worth, in last nites chat with Marc Klaas one of our poster's asked him if he thought Caylee was dead.

He said Yes. Why, because of the cadaver dogs hitting on the trunk of the car.

xxxxxxxxxxooo
mama

Salem
08-08-2008, 12:24 AM
Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo! Amy and Ricardo took her to PR -
Problem is they still have a murder - there was still a body in Casey's trunk and this body is still missing.

I like it! Maybe Amy and Ricardo took her because of the murder? Maybe Ricardo knows something about that body in the car - so he is staying safe in PR with Caylee.

Interesting. I agree about the LE observations. I thought it was highly unusual and suspicious that LE did an about face and said to still look for Caylee alive after all the hype they have given us about her being dead. Also, I am very surprised at the amount of information that has been made public.

Salem

bookbakery
08-08-2008, 02:36 AM
Ok - here we go

Caylee is alive and well and living in Puerto Rico with her bio father - Ricardo! Amy and Ricardo took her to PR - it was ok with Casey as they just passed it off as a vaca. But- Ricardo had real suspicions that she was his. As far as we know, only Amy came back. But no one can tell me if he did. Ricardo has had enough time to do a paternity test - of course it came back that she is his.

The FBI has the resources we know that. I 'm willing to bet they have already checked this all out and even have Caylee on video in PR with daddy. They showed all this to Cindy and George on Wed - in that 6 hour meeting - the video, the paternity test - everything. Being its her father and this media circus they have - its safer right now to leave her there because. . . . .

Problem is they still have a murder - there was still a body in Casey's trunk and this body is still missing. Now the FBI doesn't get involved in "local" crime so its up to the OC sheriff to solve that one - hence the meeting with OC on Friday. Casey is still "in trouble" as this "body " was in her trunk.

With all these "players" involved and the party /drug crowd she runs with - they just can't come out and say "WE FOUND HER" without jeopardizing this other murder investigation - so they have told Cindy and George that Caylee is fine - even showed them videos - BUT - your daughter is still in trouble. Once we solve (or at least get to the bottom of this other, local investigation) we will not make a statement. If you (Cindy or George) go public - well then - GAME OVER and we charge Casey with murder (of whoever).

This explains Cindy and, especially George tonight saying Caylee is alive and well. It puts up a ruse to the public (and whoever else is involved in the "murder") that it is still all about looking for Caylee and solving HER murder. I think there are searches being done - but not for a little girls body.

I know this could be way off base - but look at how LE is handling this case. I have followed a LOT of cases and have NEVER seen LE behave this way. I don't put much credence into how the family acts - no one knows how they will act when faced with this type of situation. But - LE - this is what they do and especially the FBI - I have a HUGE respect for them and they know their "****". They have already solved that Rockefeller case - only took them a matter of days.

Only time will tell us the truth - its in those forensics. Once they come back - and I believe they do have at least preliminary ones which may already prove its NOT Caylee. I could be wrong - but if I'm wrong then that little angel is gone and I don't want to see that.

Casey is showing no emotion - because she knows Caylee is not dead - I mean even Susan Smith was snottin' and crying about her boys - until she cracked and it only took 9 days. Casey is a nut job - but she was still a mother. She is just ashamed that she had one put over on her and now "daddy" has her - Amy could have told her the jigs up when she got back. But she is still involved in some type of murder - or at least a cover up.

Crazy? What do you think?

Well, that would explain the lack of tears from everyone and Lee's smiles and Casey's look of lack of concern. I hope you are right.

LinasK
08-08-2008, 03:15 AM
Casey is showing no emotion - because she knows Caylee is not dead - I mean even Susan Smith was snottin' and crying about her boys - until she cracked and it only took 9 days.
Crazy? What do you think?

Susan Smith's "emotion" was faked. When the TV interview was broadcast, I took one look at her and told my husband,:liar: "she's lying, those are crocodile tears"! :boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:Turns out I was right. She was soooo phony!

LinasK
08-08-2008, 03:20 AM
I doubt they did either. But looking at the financial problems in the family, I am willing to bet that something transpired prior to her leaving that had something to do with them telling her that they couldn't afford to take care of her anymore. She was trying to hold on to Tony for dear life so she could live there and continue the life she had (not working and partying).

Something else that strikes me...Cindy seemed to be the mother figure and Casey seemed to be more like the sister to Caylee (Cindy has stated that she took care of her, fed her, clothed her, etc.) She may have planned on taking her kid over to Tony's so she could mooch for her kid too. Casey probably had no clue how to take care of a kid since her mom had been doing it for 2 yrs. She probably lost her temper with Caylee.

Too bad Casey didn't just let her mother adopt Caylee, since she obviously didn't want to be a mother to her. Young mothers like her think babies are Barbie dolls who can be put back on the shelf when you're tired of playing with them.:furious: I'm tired of posters bashing Cindy for being over-bearing. There is no proof of that. With a daughter like Casey, can you blame her??? I can't. Casey was an irresponsible "mother". I could blame Cindy for being an enabler to Casey, but over-bearing? NO!:twocents:

LinasK
08-08-2008, 03:29 AM
I do not believe Caylee is alive. Those cadaver dogs 'hit' on the trunk of that car for a reason. They are highly trained animals, with no agenda other than to work as trained and get the job done.

So, with that said, Caylee, IMHO, is dead and has been the entire time she's been "missing."

Mother is responsible for her death, though I don't know if it was 'murder' or 'manslaughter,' intentional or unintentional, but I believe her mother killed her or caused her death.


As for the family, who knows. The grandmother is histrionic and I think she either knows or believes deep/deep/deep down that her granddaughter is dead, but she's continuing with the ruse to try and protect her daughter. Her lashing out at the media is one indication. She's doing the proverbial 'bite the hand that feeds you' dance, which to me indicates 2 parts deception mixed with 1 part pure whackadoo. Shaken, then stirred.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!

Bingo!:clap: There's a theory, I think it's Occam's Razor that says that the simplest explanation is usually the closest, in other words if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a duck! People are coming up with convoluted scenarios to explain why another dead person could be in the trunk rather than Caylee. Although noone wants Caylee to be dead, she is missing, and she is the most obvious and logical choice to be the cadaver in the trunk.

Waddles
08-08-2008, 04:11 AM
Has anyone checked the weather for June 16-18th? It was cool around 71 degress and raining and cloudy with thunderstorms, no hot cars or swimming in pools...

Vegas Bride
08-09-2008, 10:22 AM
With the report of all the phone calls Casey made on the 16th, there's been a lot of speculation about something could have happened to Caylee then and she was calling her parents for help, but what if Casey was trying to get ahold of her parents for some other reason, they were mad at her and not taking her calls. This infuriating Casey!!!! She could have gotten into a terrible rage and was alone with Caylee. I'm sure the investigators know by now what cell towers those calls bounced off of so they'd be able to know if she was at home or not.

VB

lisalei321
08-09-2008, 11:17 AM
Has anyone checked the weather for June 16-18th? It was cool around 71 degress and raining and cloudy with thunderstorms, no hot cars or swimming in pools...

From weather.com Orlando June 16, 91 for the high 82 for the low. And it probably rained sometime during the day (that's the usual weather pattern here)

Rebound
08-09-2008, 03:17 PM
Just wondering about :

1. Per the cadaver dogs hitting on the backyard, and the body maybe being somebody else besides Caylee, wouldn't someone else in the party crowd be missing?

2. If Caylee is in PR, how did she get there? Wouldn't she need an id or something? I think you don't need a passport, but don't you need a Visa these days for PR and Canada , even for a child? I just can't see anyone using a private plane here.

Hisimage
08-09-2008, 04:24 PM
With the report of all the phone calls Casey made on the 16th, there's been a lot of speculation about something could have happened to Caylee then and she was calling her parents for help, but what if Casey was trying to get ahold of her parents for some other reason, they were mad at her and not taking her calls. This infuriating Casey!!!! She could have gotten into a terrible rage and was alone with Caylee. I'm sure the investigators know by now what cell towers those calls bounced off of so they'd be able to know if she was at home or not.

VB

I was just beginning to wonder that. What if Casey ran into somebody she owed money to. I had a drug user roommate in college and once a person she owed money to came to the door and to be honest, it was pretty scarey.
What if she began calling people to borrow the money from them and then something happened to Caylee? Thats why she can't tell.

Maybe LE really do know the whole story , we just don't get to hear it.

On the flip side, ... her careless laughing and attitude when her friend was crying really causes me to distrust her.

The only thing I do know for sure is that little Baby needs to be found.

Amberjack
08-09-2008, 08:43 PM
Lee Anthony says some of the names called on June 16/17
were "quite interesting" :confused:

GatorMom
08-10-2008, 08:37 AM
I believe the theory that was leaked to WFTV on Friday is probably what happened to Caylee.

Either she drowned accidentally or her mother left the pool ladder up and let the child into the pool & turned away while she drowned. I'm not convinced it was an accident based on Casey's behavior since June 16th. I believe this creature is capable of intentionally killing Caylee.

I don't think anyone in the family knows for sure what happened but I do think LE has been preparing them for what is coming next. The DNA results will be in soon and if that is Caylee's DNA in the trunk of that car; then George, Cindy and Lee will have to face the unthinkable: Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible for what happened to her.

I don't think Casey will ever admit to what happened; I think she's stupid enough to believe if she doesn't talk eventually they will have to let her go. I think she's stupid enough to believe they will need a body to convict her. The bottom line is I think she is stupid and stupid people are not good at covering their tracks. LE is building the case against her and if it is 1st degree murder; well let's make sure we have enough for the DP.

I feel so bad for George, Cindy and Lee. No one wants to believe their child is capable of such a horrible thing but in the next few weeks I am afraid they will have to face it: they raised a murderer who committed the worst crime of all; the murder of a child.

PS - Winter Park is a mostly affluent town right next to Orlando. Older homes, tree lines streets. Very fancy for the most part. Grandma's house is smack in the middle of Winter Park; where they have signs up that say "Drive with extraordinary care". I spent a good part of my life in WP and there are a lot of spoiled rich kids in that town (I used to be one of them).

gracefuljf1505
08-10-2008, 12:32 PM
Hey everyone! All of these theories are likely. I have been following this case but havent yet posted because I don't want to come off in a bad way or anything. I do, however, feel deep downinside that both the Cindy and Casey...knew at the time or very shortly after that the child was dead. Casey is the one I believe to have actual harmed Caylee, but from all I have seen about the case I do believe very strongly that Cindy knew right after and has been covering up for her immature, young, naive daughter since. They, IMO, should both be prosecuted...for the cover up and neglect as well as messing with the evidence in the case..and Casey well she prosecuted (which I believe she is being?) for the act against her daughter. I know we all want to hope that Caylee is still with us but All evidence points to her death, horrible as it may seem, another mother has hurt her poor innocent child by an act or anger and selfishness...and many of us here can't imagine hurting our own children or any child for that matter, which i think is why we want the hope that many are still trying to have..but the facts point to theis conclusion (IMO) Sweet adorable Caylee has joined many others who have gone this way with our lord....

Firefly
08-10-2008, 04:02 PM
I think it is plain and simple. GM Cindy has always known Casey was a lying, stealing, out for herself, fair weather daughter. GM Cindy always told Casey that she could take better care of Caylee and made a beautiful space for both of them .....saw the Greta interview last night and the tour of the house....Cindy was still displaying for the world her home and how it constituted what a great GM she was. Fights insued around the end of June, Casey taking Caylee away from Mom because THAT is the ONLY way she could get at her Mom.......both of these women are cut from the same cloth, imho. So angry that she did this to herself and could not take Caylee home to her Mom's again to babysit when she wanted to go out, she left her in the car tooooo long. Realized her tragedy, tried to right it by "planting" her close to home when parents weren't home so it made it look like the Mom might have something to do with it. Realized again, NOT a good plan put baby back in trunk, where decomp was setting in, hence the smell, hence the hit by cadaver dogs. Abandoned car to entrap the unlucky soul who chose to steal it.....alas no takers. She couldn't play the Susan Smith ticket that someone stole her daughter from her. Don't know what she did with Caylee but she is dead as Casey states to Lee she "can feel she is close by" .....Casey's angel that is looking now over her shoulder. *when someone dies they are close to you....in your head, heavy in your heart, you memorialize them or your freedom from them, hence the tatoo.* A true Narcissistic Sociopath, Casey figures they will have no case because she has thrown so many smoke screens and is having the Family do the same that the LE will NEVER figure it out. She thinks she is outsmarting them. Caylee WILL be found....she will come back to us and let us know what happened to her. It will all unravel in time and that is why I sit here glued to WS's board and all the talking heads on TV and await that moment. Again, as I stated before in another thread, there are no tears for Caylee, they family knows she is gone and is trying to save one of their own which is in essence trying to save themselves. Prayers for the LE as they wade through the MUCK of this family. Caylee's tears will wash the lies away.

SusieClue
08-10-2008, 06:05 PM
I believe Casey killed Caylee

but little theories keep popping into my head - perhaps in an attempt to believe Caylee isn't really dead - cause that's just too sad.

What if all of that money she took from her mom's bank acct., her friend Amy's cash and the money she got wiping out Amy's account (probably at the place she abandoned the car - the check cashing place) what if she needed that money to pay someone to HOLD Caylee for awhile. It would seem that she could have planned all of this ahead to punish her mom. If you believe the speech reversal stuff....and how her speech in reverse...says "boys did this" and says that they are "scared even though they are not guilty....etc.etc"...read for yourself on
www.backwardstate.com I mean THAT would explain her not being scared - and being able to happily dance at clubs, etc. otherwise, I just don't see how to explain a mother not upset.

anyway...I don't believe my own theory there, but it is one more thing to consider in the realm of unlikely...

kc11478
08-10-2008, 06:40 PM
The speech reversal is very strange!!

Chezhire
08-10-2008, 10:58 PM
I think it is plain and simple. GM Cindy has always known Casey was a lying, stealing, out for herself, fair weather daughter. GM Cindy always told Casey that she could take better care of Caylee and made a beautiful space for both of them .....saw the Greta interview last night and the tour of the house....Cindy was still displaying for the world her home and how it constituted what a great GM she was. Fights insued around the end of June, Casey taking Caylee away from Mom because THAT is the ONLY way she could get at her Mom.......both of these women are cut from the same cloth, imho. So angry that she did this to herself and could not take Caylee home to her Mom's again to babysit when she wanted to go out, she left her in the car tooooo long. Realized her tragedy, tried to right it by "planting" her close to home when parents weren't home so it made it look like the Mom might have something to do with it. Realized again, NOT a good plan put baby back in trunk, where decomp was setting in, hence the smell, hence the hit by cadaver dogs. Abandoned car to entrap the unlucky soul who chose to steal it.....alas no takers. She couldn't play the Susan Smith ticket that someone stole her daughter from her. Don't know what she did with Caylee but she is dead as Casey states to Lee she "can feel she is close by" .....Casey's angel that is looking now over her shoulder. *when someone dies they are close to you....in your head, heavy in your heart, you memorialize them or your freedom from them, hence the tatoo.* A true Narcissistic Sociopath, Casey figures they will have no case because she has thrown so many smoke screens and is having the Family do the same that the LE will NEVER figure it out. She thinks she is outsmarting them. Caylee WILL be found....she will come back to us and let us know what happened to her. It will all unravel in time and that is why I sit here glued to WS's board and all the talking heads on TV and await that moment. Again, as I stated before in another thread, there are no tears for Caylee, they family knows she is gone and is trying to save one of their own which is in essence trying to save themselves. Prayers for the LE as they wade through the MUCK of this family. Caylee's tears will wash the lies away.

In general, I agree with you about Casey and her mother and the family dynamic there...especially where it concerned Caylee (poor innocent baby caught between the crossfire) and what appears to be her death. The only thing I question - and I'm not even certain how seriously you even meant this part of your comments - is that if Casey intended for the car to be "stolen" from the parking lot where she left it, then why call Tony to come pick her up from said parking lot?

Chezhire
08-10-2008, 11:06 PM
I believe Casey killed Caylee

but little theories keep popping into my head - perhaps in an attempt to believe Caylee isn't really dead - cause that's just too sad.

What if all of that money she took from her mom's bank acct., her friend Amy's cash and the money she got wiping out Amy's account (probably at the place she abandoned the car - the check cashing place) what if she needed that money to pay someone to HOLD Caylee for awhile. It would seem that she could have planned all of this ahead to punish her mom. If you believe the speech reversal stuff....and how her speech in reverse...says "boys did this" and says that they are "scared even though they are not guilty....etc.etc"...read for yourself on
www.backwardstate.com I mean THAT would explain her not being scared - and being able to happily dance at clubs, etc. otherwise, I just don't see how to explain a mother not upset.

anyway...I don't believe my own theory there, but it is one more thing to consider in the realm of unlikely...

I wanted more than anything to bellieve this line of rationale for the first few weeks...but now that she's got at least 2 attorneys, and maybe a 3rd, and is now refusing to see her parents and her brother for scheduled visits, seems to me that the child is no longer with us. Otherwise, why wouldn't her attorneys have had her produce the child? I mean at this point, no matter when/where/how the child reappeared, Casey's not going to be getting off easy on the pending charges, so why prolong/put off producing Caylee??? While I want her to be alive somewhere, I can't imagine she is, or Casey would've quit the charade already...her 2-3 attorneys, none of whom have quit/withdrawn from her representation, surely wouldn't continue representing her if they actually KNEW the little girl was alive and well somewhere, would they??? wouldn't they insist on the little girl being produced???

gracefuljf1505
08-11-2008, 06:22 AM
I wanted more than anything to bellieve this line of rationale for the first few weeks...but now that she's got at least 2 attorneys, and maybe a 3rd, and is now refusing to see her parents and her brother for scheduled visits, seems to me that the child is no longer with us. Otherwise, why wouldn't her attorneys have had her produce the child? I mean at this point, no matter when/where/how the child reappeared, Casey's not going to be getting off easy on the pending charges, so why prolong/put off producing Caylee??? While I want her to be alive somewhere, I can't imagine she is, or Casey would've quit the charade already...her 2-3 attorneys, none of whom have quit/withdrawn from her representation, surely wouldn't continue representing her if they actually KNEW the little girl was alive and well somewhere, would they??? wouldn't they insist on the little girl being produced???

I would like to hope as well, however I have a feelings she i no longer with us either. As far as the attorny's, I would like to think that if they knew that Caylee was still alive and well they were demand she be produced however it is very likly that they aent. I mean i have heard of cooked cops don't you think its possible to have crooked attornys too? But that's just my opinion.

heavenlydaze
08-11-2008, 07:36 PM
I have a theory and it's not a pretty one. First of all, it's hard to keep up with all of these posts, and there may be something in my idea that doesn't 'work' for one reason or another...but here's the basics.

The other night, I went to bed thinking about this case. Something was in my mind and I couldn't get rid of it. It was the pictures. The pictures of Casey leaning over the toilet obviously sick and 'out of it' due to partying, and the pics of the 'friends' she was partying with and the one of the men passed out on her floor. Bear with me here, because to get into what I'm thinking I need to go back in time to when I was younger.

I'm in my 50's now, but a LONG time ago, I was in a band. I partied like there was no tomorrow. I drank to excess and openly admit to 'blackouts'. Blackouts are just that...parts of time that you can't remember, even though you were awake. Very scary, and very shameful. Nothing you would admit to unless you were actively seeking help for the dependance problem, but...your friends know. They're 'enablers' and maybe they even take advantage of your problem.

Casey had Caylee with her a lot. Sure, Gram & Gramp would watch her, usually at night, but the party goes on even when they can't, and a lot of it happens during the day. She takes her child with her.
She's mad at her parents, and does what many, many substance abusers due. She uses her anger as an excuse to get plastered/high. She doesn't go to a bar/club this time. She goes to someone's house and the party begins. Maybe it's just a few 'friends', maybe there's people there she doesn't know, but the more she indulges, the foggier everything gets. She eventually passes out.

LOOK at the 'friends' in these pictures and imaging Caylee sleeping somewhere in what-ever party house.

I don't think Casey killed Caylee, but I think one of these people did. Maybe an accident, maybe something worse.

The killer knows Casey is out of it and knows she's unaware of what's happened, but there's this little problem of the body. Maybe he has a car, maybe he doesn't, but that's not an issue because Casey has a car. Now, one of several things happens, and the scenario branches off...but try this:

If there are other people in the house, maybe they're passed out or sleeping, or maybe there's a back door...or maybe it's just him & Casey. Whatever. The killer wraps the body in something. Maybe a sheet or blanket, and to avoid making a lot of noise rummaging through Casey's purse for car keys, he simply takes the purse with him. He places Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car. He knows he has to do something about it, but for whatever reason, he doesn't. Not right then. He needs to think. In the meantime, the body begins to decompose.

At some point, Casey comes to. She asks where Caylee is. The killer says she's with so-and-so, or some explanation that seems reasonable to Casey in her current state. He needs to keep her sedated, or maybe kill her too, but things are bad enough and another body would really complicate things.

He's had some time to think and makes sure Casey is well inebriated again. He's decided to take Casey with him to dispose of the body and carries her to the car. Can't leave her where she is. Can't risk her trying to find Caylee. Maybe he's been in that car before, so traces of him wouldn't be unusual.

The scenario needs help here, and I've really tried to keep up, but you guys are TOO good (LOTS of info) The abandoned car, the time-line, help me out here.

Maybe I'm way off base with all of this, and it may or may not fit, but Casey isn't the brightest cracker jack in the box, and I think she would believe just about anything if it sounded in her favor. After all...how do we explain to mummy & daddy that we've LOST our daughter? That we CAN'T REMEMBER because we were drunk/high? In Casey's mind, everything makes perfect sense. The killer may have told her that Caylee is safe. He may even have threatened her in some way, and he might have even thrown the name of the phantom babysitter ,"Z" at her.

Shoot, maybe Casey accidently killed her, I just don't think so. I think she would have blown the cover-up. There's a difference between being a good liar and a good actress, and she ain't a good actress, folks. She can't even act like a concerned parent.

my2cents
08-11-2008, 07:57 PM
Heavenlydaze--

I could actually go along with part of that. But she would have told LE all of this (where she was, where Caylee was) if she really cared about her child. She doesn't even ask about how the search is going for her child.

It also doesn't explain the dog hits in the yard. My theory is that Caylee got in the pool and Casey saw that she was drowning. She didn't help her because she saw this as her way out of being a mommy.

She took the baby out of the pool and laid her on the ground next to the pool (first dog hit). Made a flurry of calls to mom and dad to make it look like it was an accident. She decided against that and transported her in her trunk.

I really could go along with you on this if you can account for why the dogs hit in her yard. From a legal point of view, that would be plausible and if the dog hits could be explained away (IF they can be reasonably explained away), it would be a good defense to use to argue "Beyond a reasonable doubt" has not been met.

diablo
08-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Here is my latest and greatest thoughts on this:

June 15th - Caylee at GGP Nursing home.

June 16th - Caylee & Casey leave at 12:50, like "any other day". After George leaves, as she has done in the past Casey returns home, after she knows it is empty. Go Swim, Eat, use computer, etc. Something happens, maybe it is Casey in the pool and Caylee is in the house and gets hurt. Or Casey is inside and Caylee climbs the ladder and drowns, or falls off it and hits her head.
Casey tries to contact family, but like boy who cried wolf, they are unresponsive this time. Casey tries to navigate the developing terror, but Caylee later perishes. Again more calls go unanswered a couple of hours after the first flurry.
Not knowing what to do but get out of there, Casey packs up clothes, toys, etc into a few duffel bags,one of which contains her daughter's body. Casey loads up the car and stays at Tony's.

ALTERNATE: The Zanax theory, either way Caylee is no longer with us on the morning of the 17th.

June 17 - Casey needs to get rid of body, she goes home again but shed it locked. She borrows shovel from a neighbor, for just an hour. This is long enough to move the playhouse and dig the hole, and put playhouse back. This can account for no decomp. smell on shovel.
Perhaps this days she looks for scapegoat at Apartment complex.

June 18 - Casey returns home and backs her car into Garage, which noticed by neighbor.
She takes duffel bag our of trunk and then buries Caylee under the playhouse & covers it all back up.

June 20 - Fusian "Hot Body Contest"

June 23 - Casey returns home needing a way to burn evidence (ie., clothes, blanket). She breaks into shed and takes cans as portable fuel source. Later disposes of evidence.

June 24 - Casey back at home, maybe to return cans, and is met by George who finds the cans.

June 25 -> 27 - Casey must move the body for whatever reason, maybe she remembers George has contracted to have pavers put under playhouse. Either way, she moves Caylee int the trunk, but the body has putrefied and fluids leak & hair falls out, and some dirt is put into the trunk.

June 27 - after the above, or if that was done the day before, she gets in her car and is like 'WTF, my car smells like Satan took a ***** in here" and decides to dump the car, leaving the purse in hopes of theft or making herself also be kidnapped.

QuickAttack
08-13-2008, 11:46 AM
I'm adding this to the Theory Thread. I posted it in a GenDis thread last night...I think it was GenDis 87.

Casey died on the 16th, possibly at the house. Of the calls, none go to the house during the 4-4:30 "flurry." So possibly something happened to Caylee between 1:30 and 4:00. Caylee's body may have been at the house on the 16th, overnight until the 17th.

So, let's say Casey killed Caylee at the house and then hid Caylee's body at the house or in the yard on the 16th.

On the 17th...she borrows the shovel and buries Caylee in the back yard.

Then, overnight, worry that someone might find her.

On the 18th, backs into the driveway, goes to the back yard and pulls Caylee out of the ground...it's easier to pull a body from dirt that's been replaced in a hole than to dig a hole. Takes her to the trunk and then to another place to dump her.

This would explain the dirt in the trunk, and other details.

I'm sure that there are 100 other explanations that are just as logical...this just hit me, though...quite heavily.

tttterri
08-18-2008, 06:12 PM
What do you think?
Casey's posts to Amy on face book and myspace suggested that the same weekend that Caylee was last seen would be the one that her and Amy would become roomies, "just us girls"! Cindy mentioned, when trying to validate a sitter, that Casey had written lists in her top drawer with things like "Caylee's Favorite Foods" ect. These type of lists would be needed for anyone not well familiar with Caylee's likes and dislikes. Then, there are those strange emails Casey had in her email box that Lee sent to the detective; those didnt have real email addresses. The visit to Sawgrass by a real ZG on the 17th. Can anyone list any other things they have noticed or heard that would go along with the "planned" theory? Thanks.

newtv
08-18-2008, 06:14 PM
What do you think?
Casey's posts to Amy on face book and myspace suggested that the same weekend that Caylee was last seen would be the one that her and Amy would become roomies, "just us girls"! Cindy mentioned, when trying to validate a sitter, that Casey had written lists in her top drawer with things like "Caylee's Favorite Foods" ect. These type of lists would be needed for anyone not well familiar with Caylee's likes and dislikes. Then, there are those strange emails Casey had in her email box that Lee sent to the detective; those didnt have real email addresses. The visit to Sawgrass by a real ZG on the 17th. Can anyone list any other things they have noticed or heard that would go along with the "planned" theory? Thanks.
i think there is a similar thread on this..maybe we should try to find it so we abide by the rules.

tttterri
08-18-2008, 06:16 PM
Lead the way please if so, I just thought this needed addressing. thanks!

LI_Mom
08-18-2008, 06:22 PM
I don't know if this could be part of a "plan" but when we found out they 'moved' without taking Caylee's FAVORITE stuffed animal (toy?)... I knew something was wrong with the picture.

Did Caylee KNOW she was moving out of her home?

If so, she would have insisted on taking it. Like a normal child.

If not, then the whole family was lying about the whole 'vacation' thing & Casey actually ran away to live her own life.

tttterri
08-18-2008, 06:28 PM
I havent heard anything on any of Caylee's clothing being anywhere at all. Even when Cindy speaks, she says LE took some of CASEYS things, and she mentions bags of CASEYS things she retrieved from Tonys house later, the ones that smelled like smoke. I wish Greta would have looked in the closets like she looked in the shed Cindy didnt seem to want her to open.

Amberjack
08-18-2008, 06:32 PM
I wish Greta would have looked in the closets like she looked in the shed Cindy didnt seem to want her to open.


Yeah, there was some hestitation...distraction there by Cindy.
And, her "you'll have to ask George"

coltsgal
08-18-2008, 06:33 PM
Lead the way please if so, I just thought this needed addressing. thanks!

Here ya go, it's a thread dedicated to our theories.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67854&highlight=theories+happened+caylee

Amberjack
08-18-2008, 06:35 PM
If your daughter was lying, being secretive, partying too much, stealing gasoline...Wouldn't you change the locks on her last day at the house...So you could go on vacation in peace.....I really believe this was the reason for the "flurry of phone calls" to her family & the reason no one answered her. Casey had gone ballistic when she realized she was "locked out"

tttterri
08-18-2008, 06:43 PM
I can't figure that if Cindy and George were both heading to work on June 16, how could they have been going to vacation?

coltsgal
08-18-2008, 06:46 PM
I dont think that I personally have ever seen this "vacation" confirmed. Can someone provide proof to me? I cant seem to find any.

commongrackle
08-18-2008, 06:50 PM
I believe Casey killed Caylee

but little theories keep popping into my head - perhaps in an attempt to believe Caylee isn't really dead - cause that's just too sad.

What if all of that money she took from her mom's bank acct., her friend Amy's cash and the money she got wiping out Amy's account (probably at the place she abandoned the car - the check cashing place) what if she needed that money to pay someone to HOLD Caylee for awhile. It would seem that she could have planned all of this ahead to punish her mom. If you believe the speech reversal stuff....and how her speech in reverse...says "boys did this" and says that they are "scared even though they are not guilty....etc.etc"...read for yourself on
www.backwardstate.com I mean THAT would explain her not being scared - and being able to happily dance at clubs, etc. otherwise, I just don't see how to explain a mother not upset.

anyway...I don't believe my own theory there, but it is one more thing to consider in the realm of unlikely...

Youtube has not been working for me for a while...? A couple weeks now..? Not sure how to fix this problem.

Anyway...this reverse speech...I don't quite get it...

NighTillDawn
08-18-2008, 06:59 PM
Here is my latest and greatest thoughts on this:

June 15th - Caylee at GGP Nursing home.

June 16th - Caylee & Casey leave at 12:50, like "any other day". After George leaves, as she has done in the past Casey returns home, after she knows it is empty. Go Swim, Eat, use computer, etc. Something happens, maybe it is Casey in the pool and Caylee is in the house and gets hurt. Or Casey is inside and Caylee climbs the ladder and drowns, or falls off it and hits her head.
Casey tries to contact family, but like boy who cried wolf, they are unresponsive this time. Casey tries to navigate the developing terror, but Caylee later perishes. Again more calls go unanswered a couple of hours after the first flurry.
Not knowing what to do but get out of there, Casey packs up clothes, toys, etc into a few duffel bags,one of which contains her daughter's body. Casey loads up the car and stays at Tony's.

ALTERNATE: The Zanax theory, either way Caylee is no longer with us on the morning of the 17th.

June 17 - Casey needs to get rid of body, she goes home again but shed it locked. She borrows shovel from a neighbor, for just an hour. This is long enough to move the playhouse and dig the hole, and put playhouse back. This can account for no decomp. smell on shovel.
Perhaps this days she looks for scapegoat at Apartment complex.

June 18 - Casey returns home and backs her car into Garage, which noticed by neighbor.
She takes duffel bag our of trunk and then buries Caylee under the playhouse & covers it all back up.

June 20 - Fusian "Hot Body Contest"

June 23 - Casey returns home needing a way to burn evidence (ie., clothes, blanket). She breaks into shed and takes cans as portable fuel source. Later disposes of evidence.

June 24 - Casey back at home, maybe to return cans, and is met by George who finds the cans.

June 25 -> 27 - Casey must move the body for whatever reason, maybe she remembers George has contracted to have pavers put under playhouse. Either way, she moves Caylee int the trunk, but the body has putrefied and fluids leak & hair falls out, and some dirt is put into the trunk.

June 27 - after the above, or if that was done the day before, she gets in her car and is like 'WTF, my car smells like Satan took a ***** in here" and decides to dump the car, leaving the purse in hopes of theft or making herself also be kidnapped.

About the pavers, did they ever put the concrete in? Has anyone checked to make sure there isn't a body underneath it?

Amberjack
08-18-2008, 07:00 PM
I can't figure that if Cindy and George were both heading to work on June 16, how could they have been going to vacation?

Cindy said she took a week off from work for her 50th birthday.
I think it was the end of June/early July.

June 22nd? Shed broken into...Was it a new lock after the other times gasoline was stolen.

coltsgal
08-18-2008, 10:35 PM
Do you think it's possible that Casey did something to Caylee, but couldn't bury her (maybe she actually felt bad??) and had someone else do it for her??

Maybe the whole "I dont know where caylee is" thing could possibly be a far stretch of the truth?

Alyzabeth
08-18-2008, 10:55 PM
My husband has a decent theory about what happened. He thinks Casey took Caylee to the babysitter just like she said she did. He thinks that when she went to pick Caylee up, Caylee was gone and the babysitter and Casey got into a fight, which resulted in the babysitter ending up dead. He thinks Casey acted in self defense. The babysitter may have sold Caylee and was lieing, saying she was kidnapped by very bad people, don't go to LE, etc.
He thinks the babysitter corpse is what was in the trunk and what the dogs hit on. I asked him how Casey could have moved the body of a grown woman alone and he said, maybe she wasn't alone when she went to pick Caylee up.

Blink34
08-18-2008, 10:58 PM
Do you think it's possible that Casey did something to Caylee, but couldn't bury her (maybe she actually felt bad??) and had someone else do it for her??

Maybe the whole "I dont know where caylee is" thing could possibly be a far stretch of the truth?

I think she is an accomplished con, and I think that is true because she put her in a dumpster ultimately and she really does not "know" where she is.. The YoungPine facility is vast.

coltsgal
08-18-2008, 10:59 PM
I wish that were true, because that wouldn't mean that caylee is dead.

I dont think that's what happened, and I cant buy into the caylee being sold theories.

coltsgal
08-21-2008, 03:11 PM
I see a lot of people believe that Casey put Caylee in the trunk while she partied. While I respect everyone has opinions, I wanted to state mine.

I think the dogs hit on the trunk because Caylee was placed in there AFTER death. I really dont think she died while in there. Casey seems totally psycho, but I really dont believe she put her child in the trunk as a "babysitter".

Fandy
08-21-2008, 04:30 PM
A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.


I think that Casey sought help from someone to help her bury/dispose of Caylee...an that is who she is afraid of. Regret and guilt for her daughter don't even enter into her world, she isn't talking because the person who helped her has threatened Casey....(yeah i know this is far-fetched, but it's just another theory).

TURBOTHINK
08-21-2008, 10:29 PM
I think that Casey sought help from someone to help her bury/dispose of Caylee...an that is who she is afraid of. Regret and guilt for her daughter don't even enter into her world, she isn't talking because the person who helped her has threatened Casey....(yeah i know this is far-fetched, but it's just another theory).

Her father?? It has been said more than once he had a temper problem. Is he connected with someone in the police dept there?

I found it interesting he got the police there in less than 15 minutes over those "gas cans" but they had to be called more than once by Cindy for a missing child.

What happened to his "gambling problem" Cindy's brother told everyone about?

okok
08-21-2008, 10:42 PM
My theory:

1. The child died at home by accidental drowning.


2. The mother freaked out and hid the body in the trunk of her car.


3. Then the mother borrowed the shovel with plans to bury the child.


4. The mother found that when she opened the trunk to dispose of the body the trunk smelled very bad.


5. The mother then threw the naked body of the child into the water near the airport and then the body was eaten by

an Alligator (so the body will never be found).


6. The mother did this after remembering hearing her father tell stories of murder victims being disposed of in this manner.

(dead bodies being feed to alligators to destroy the evidence)..(He is a retired cop)


7. The mother then threw the clothing and back packs (that by then smelled of death) into a dumpster at a store.


8. The car by that time reeked of death and knowing this the mother was fearful of her parents or her boyfriend smelling the

death so she ditched the car close to her boyfriends house under the guise of a breakdown and called him for a ride and just

went on with her life as if nothing had happened.


9. She then began to lie to her mother and boyfriend about the child's were abouts until the car was retrieved by her

parents who then notified LE about the smell of death in the car and the missing child.


okok

coltsgal
08-21-2008, 10:47 PM
Hubby brought up a good theory:

Casey came home from a night at the club. High, drunk, whatever. Caylee got up and wouldn't go back to bed. Casey was so tired, and in a rage she couldn't go to sleep, then did something to Caylee so she could get some sleep. Perhaps a pillow.

yolorado
08-21-2008, 11:24 PM
I think she is an accomplished con, and I think that is true because she put her in a dumpster ultimately and she really does not "know" where she is.. The YoungPine facility is vast.

Yeah, that good. So when she says she doesn't know where Caylee is, she's telling the truth...in her mind.

Darlene733510
08-22-2008, 09:09 AM
This is just a theory, because I really think That Caylee is deceased.

Before Caylee was born Casey was the "little princess" to her mom and dad. Then Caylee was born, and she became the beloved GD, adored by Cindy, and that made Casey jealous.
Cindy began to criticize Casey about not being a good Mom, maybe too much partying, and probably wasn't happy about Casey using her credit cards - also there was the 750.00 phone bill, plus many lies she probably caught her in.
Because of all the above Casey thought she would get even with Cindy by taking Caylee away for a while. She really wanted to get revenge on Cindy by depriving her of her GD. I think she may have had a friend, perhaps even the real Father (we aren't sure who this is), keep Caylee for
maybe a couple of months. Perhaps travelling out of State.
Since Caylee has been gone, Casey ended up in jail, and had no way to contact the person who has Caylee I think Baez knows this, and this BH coming in is all a ruse for them to get this child back, and keep Casey from being prosecuted.
The BH keeps saying whoever has Caylee should just drop her off somewhere - a Walgreens, etc. Why would he say that?
I hope my theory could be right - and Caylee is alive and comes home.
Casey may have just wanted to deprive her Mom of Caylee, and it all backfired, and then all the publicity and media coverage kept the person who has her from coming forward for fear of prosecution.
If the BH rescues Caylee, I may be right.

Fandy
08-22-2008, 12:34 PM
OKOK;

it's been posted before (somewhere on the these threads last week) that alligators do not eat dead prey...it has to be alive.

lostnfound85
08-22-2008, 12:44 PM
THe accident theory pushes the coincidence factor too much - she disappears the very day Casey goes on her sabbatical? To me the opposite, much more sinister theory is true, that Casey planned to get rid of Cayley, i.e. first degree murder. She also planned to dispose of the body in the FLorida heat in which she knew it would quickly decompose. Then, to cover her tracks, she doesn't tell anyone for a month. SHe 's a classic murderer -no remorse, lie after lie to cover up the facts, if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, it's probably a murderer.

okok
08-22-2008, 10:32 PM
OKOK;

it's been posted before (somewhere on the these threads last week) that alligators do not eat dead prey...it has to be alive.

Sorry Fandy but that is false...alligators not only DO eat dead bodies

there are many documented accounts of this happening in the past and it

has been used as a body disposal method by many murderers in the past.

Link: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2530800#post2530800

Amberjack
08-22-2008, 11:59 PM
Do you think it's possible that Casey did something to Caylee, but couldn't bury her (maybe she actually felt bad??) and had someone else do it for her??

Maybe the whole "I dont know where caylee is" thing could possibly be a far stretch of the truth?

This is what I'm thinking.
And all the stops with LE were actually Casey trying to tell a story.

SeriouslySearching
08-23-2008, 01:36 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that Cindy and Casey could have been having a knock down drag out fight and little Caylee got in between them at the wrong time? Someone flew off the handle and it resulted in a catastrophic event? Cover up began immediately afterwards? Just saying...

TURBOTHINK
08-23-2008, 01:51 AM
[QUOTE=okok;2541906]Sorry Fandy but that is false...alligators not only DO eat dead bodies

there are many documented accounts of this happening in the past and it

has been used as a body disposal method by many murderers in the past.

QUOTE]

Unfortunately gators have been used as a clean up tool in Florida for many years.

TURBOTHINK
08-23-2008, 01:57 AM
OKOK;

it's been posted before (somewhere on the these threads last week) that alligators do not eat dead prey...it has to be alive.

No.......that is false. They will eat anything.

http://www.corkscrew.audubon.org/Wildlife/Alligators.html

small prey swallowed whole
alligator bites down on larger prey repeatedly using combination of sharp teeth and strong jaw muscles to break bones or shells so the whole item can be swallowed
large prey may also be shaken and slapped against water or shore to rip off swallowing-sized pieces
alligators roll under water with very large prey, submerging victim and drowning it
dead prey dragged around or guarded until meat rots enough so it's soft enough to be ripped apart and swallowed

DAWN TREADER
08-23-2008, 03:23 AM
I just read an interesting theory posted by LW Science Junkie on the Orlando Sentinel board and wondered if anyone else has seen it?

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T6U7C3AQCESV1MDBR/p8

Seems LWSJ hit a nerve with a couple of posters there but if you read on past page 8 it appears most others think he/she is spot on.

DT

Muzikman
08-23-2008, 04:22 AM
I just read an interesting theory posted by LW Science Junkie on the Orlando Sentinel board and wondered if anyone else has seen it?

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/orlando-sentinel/T6U7C3AQCESV1MDBR/p8

Seems LWSJ hit a nerve with a couple of posters there but if you read on past page 8 it appears most others think he/she is spot on.
DT

Thanks for the link Dawn - yes, I think LWSJ is right on the money. Everything he says seems to make a LOT of sense.

And the Casey POEM that he wrote! Hilarious! but sad, because a child is involved.

I wonder if that is Cindy posting as "Think About It"? Sounds just like her!

peace9274
08-23-2008, 04:33 AM
My theory:

1. The child died at home by accidental drowning.
2. The mother freaked out and hid the body in the trunk of her car.
3. Then the mother borrowed the shovel with plans to bury the child.
4. The mother found that when she opened the trunk to dispose of the body the trunk smelled very bad.
5. The mother then threw the naked body of the child into the water near the airport and then the body was eaten by
an Alligator (so the body will never be found).
6. The mother did this after remembering hearing her father tell stories of murder victims being disposed of in this manner.
(dead bodies being feed to alligators to destroy the evidence)..(He is a retired cop)
7. The mother then threw the clothing and back packs (that by then smelled of death) into a dumpster at a store.
8. The car by that time reeked of death and knowing this the mother was fearful of her parents or her boyfriend smelling the
death so she ditched the car close to her boyfriends house under the guise of a breakdown and called him for a ride and just
went on with her life as if nothing had happened.
9. She then began to lie to her mother and boyfriend about the child's were abouts until the car was retrieved by her
parents who then notified LE about the smell of death in the car and the missing child.
okok


I could buy it. But just one thing.
At what point did she cut down the bamboo?

peace9274
08-23-2008, 04:38 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that Cindy and Casey could have been having a knock down drag out fight and little Caylee got in between them at the wrong time? Someone flew off the handle and it resulted in a catastrophic event? Cover up began immediately afterwards? Just saying...

AHA!
So that would mean Cindy's frantic, histrionic 911 phone calls were a hoax?

DAWN TREADER
08-23-2008, 04:44 AM
Thanks for the link Dawn - yes, I think LWSJ is right on the money. Everything he says seems to make a LOT of sense.

And the Casey POEM that he wrote! Hilarious! but sad, because a child is involved.

I wonder if that is Cindy posting as "Think About It"? Sounds just like her!

You're welcome Musikman - thanks for the reply.

I must have missed the poem so I'll go back and look for it.

As for TAI - statistically speaking, I wonder what the odds are for finding a babysitter that no one except Casey Anthony ever met or even talked to on the phone?

txsvicki
08-23-2008, 05:21 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that Cindy and Casey could have been having a knock down drag out fight and little Caylee got in between them at the wrong time? Someone flew off the handle and it resulted in a catastrophic event? Cover up began immediately afterwards? Just saying...


You'd think that between two or three of them that would have been able to figure out what to do about the car. They wouldn't have had to move a body a couple of times if they were all in on it. I'm not so sure about George being so confident that nothing will be found in the car though or who knew certain things after the 24th.

STEADFAST
08-23-2008, 05:57 AM
Anyone ever stop to think that Cindy and Casey could have been having a knock down drag out fight and little Caylee got in between them at the wrong time? Someone flew off the handle and it resulted in a catastrophic event? Cover up began immediately afterwards? Just saying...

Kind of an odd cover up, though. Calling the police and bringing to their attention that the car smelled like a dead body and then having Casey take the hit by telling lies that were so easily disproved. Not to mention borrowing a shovel from the neighbors.

STEADFAST
08-23-2008, 06:00 AM
I'm not so sure about George being so confident that nothing will be found in the car though or who knew certain things after the 24th.

After the 24th, I'm not so sure about what George knew either.

peace9274
08-23-2008, 06:47 AM
You'd think that between two or three of them that would have been able to figure out what to do about the car. They wouldn't have had to move a body a couple of times if they were all in on it. I'm not so sure about George being so confident that nothing will be found in the car though or who knew certain things after the 24th.

I think if someone else were in on it with Casey,
even her mother/especially her mother, she'd change the facts around,
manipulate the truth, and have whomever take the rap.

If it were Cindy... and Casey did do something to Caylee and then pointed the finger at her mother..... Cindy would probably admit to it, to protect her daughter. (Anyone remember the movie "Mildred Pierce")?

In fact, isn't that what some of us thought Casey was doing.....
blaming Cindy and/or others for the mess they're all in?

DaisyBelle
08-23-2008, 10:40 AM
This is so long.. I'm sorry!

Why would she dump her car at Amscot and never attempt to get it back? If she ran over an animal all she had to do was call George, Lee or another male figure and have them "rescue" her. If her car stunk with garbage... Ummm remove it. Ran out of gas? Station across the street, call Tony(E) and he'll save the day. The car was abandoned and staged to steal for one reason, it was loaded with evidence.

IF she was kidnapped.. and the Kidnappers would kill Caylee if Casey spoke aloud to authorities.. Wouldn't they of killed her already? Casey may not have spoken to LE, but Cindy and George have made public statements about the kidnappers, as has the new Spokesperson, Bounty Hunter and Teams, her Brother, and the Lawyer. Casey may not of said anything, but everyone else has.. If a hardened criminal had a hold of your grandchild and was ready to kill her if anyone "told the cops" why the heck would you tell him he's "being watched" on national television? Duh.

The Nanny.... IF there was a real nanny someone else would have seen her or gone with Casey to pick up Caylee. I can't imagine that in almost 2 years of babysitting no one saw this woman. Heck, no one even went to the complex and waited in the car while Casey ran in to get Caylee. I believe she went to the complex in search of a Nanny. The real ZG was in the office signing in, Casey saw a younger looking Hispanic woman (her ideal nanny) walk out with another woman and go towards the apartment she later lead authorities (which is way she could not pin point the exact apartment, only the breezeway) All Casey would have to do is walk into the office and look at the sign-in sheet. Pick a name and hope for the best.

The other thing I have heard is Caylee being dropped off with the real dads family, or another trust worthy person. Puerto Rico and all this nonsense. Why would Casey feel the need to hand off her child to someone? To get even with Cindy and George? Ok.. but then why is Casey all lovey dovey with mom and dad when she gets out of jail? If she felt the need to cause this whole fiasco and fuel the fire of it by not speaking.. then why is she so happy to see these people? Why hasn't she said "ok mom, I was mad, I sent Caylee off with so and so" everything would be over, and she'd probably be off the hook with LE, or have minor charges. Even if she was with someone who was taking care of her (Caylee is safe) wouldn't they of come forward by now? Not even for the reward but for the simple fact of the entire country is being told this child was kidnapped.. Why would you risk being identified as the perp just for Casey? and this brings me back to my first question... IF Caylee was alive somewhere.. Why was the car with the decomp smell abandoned and begging to be stolen???

Okay so Caylee is NOT with kidnappers, a Nanny, or a Family friend. The evidence that has been publicly gathered and all the stories was have heard unfortunately leaves one alternative.

Motive? Casey was involved in a new relationship. A relationship that didn't have room for a young child that required a lot of attention.
Plain and simple. For the first time sense she had Caylee she felt important, she was somebody when she was with Tony(E). They did everything a normal 22 year old would do that didn't have kids. Clubs, parties, fun. No responsibilities. How she did it.. I'm not sure. Where is Caylee now? My best guess is the Landfill.. Its too easy to dump a body in the dumpster, grab a bag of trash and toss it in the trunk to explain the smell and be done with it. Its sad, but I can't think of anything that has been said to say otherwise.

twowolves
08-24-2008, 11:19 PM
I found this posted on a blog....read and give your thoughts:

In the interview in the Anthony home that they did with Greta George said he last saw Caylee on June 16th when she came out of the bedroom with her mother Casey and they both had their back packs and hugged and kissed them goodbye and that Casey was going to drop Caylee off at the baby sitter and go to work. He said it was like any other day.

On Saturday when he was interviewed in front of their home by Orlando Solenez from Fox news when the drowning theory was floated....that “He and his wife had left for work on June 16th leaving Caylee at home with her Mother Casey and that was the last time he saw Caylee".

Sorry Grampa but you cant have it both ways so which story is true if either is?

Here is my theory after reading that:

Ok, I had never heard this second scenario where grandpa says he (not Casey and Caylee like in first scenario) left home that day (16th) but IF it did happen this way.........perhaps Casey was passed out on her bed either exhausted from spending the prior night at the b/f-Tony's OR was hung over and not totally awake when maybe the grandpa poked his head in to say 'wake up Casey, I'm leaving and Caylee needs you....' Well, Casey fell back asleep, after mumbling something like 'ok I'm up'....the grandpa believes her and leaves for his job at ~2:30 which has been said many times that he worked the evening shift.........so now Casey is passed out on the bed and fell back asleep, meanwhile eventually Caylee, who is wandering around the house all alone with a mother who is oblivious and sleeping....and has been said to often try and sneak out the doors....finally wanders into the backyard where the pool ladder was still attached because the prior night when Cindy and Caylee were swimming....Cindy forgot to remove it like usual....Caylee climbs up the ladder, falls into the pool and drowns.

So, between the time the grandpa left (2:30pm) and the time Casey comes out of her coma (maybe 20-30min later) ...realizes 'OH S**T, where is Caylee??? She jumps up freaking out.....finally to find her dtr in the pool-drowned.....then that is where the flurry of calls happen around 3pm to 4pm....to her Mom, Dad and friends whom all of which do NOT answer.

Then came the cover up...for whatever reason. Maybe out of embarrassment/shame for having fallen back asleep? Not wanting to be to blame??

Thoughts?

(Of course I post this theory with a heavy heart and hope it is not what truly happened....but like all of u, I do want to either find her ALIVE or find her body so that she can be given a proper and respectful burial.)

zadari
08-24-2008, 11:50 PM
This is so long.. I'm sorry!

Why would she dump her car at Amscot and never attempt to get it back? If she ran over an animal all she had to do was call George, Lee or another male figure and have them "rescue" her. If her car stunk with garbage... Ummm remove it. Ran out of gas? Station across the street, call Tony(E) and he'll save the day. The car was abandoned and staged to steal for one reason, it was loaded with evidence.

IF she was kidnapped.. and the Kidnappers would kill Caylee if Casey spoke aloud to authorities.. Wouldn't they of killed her already? Casey may not have spoken to LE, but Cindy and George have made public statements about the kidnappers, as has the new Spokesperson, Bounty Hunter and Teams, her Brother, and the Lawyer. Casey may not of said anything, but everyone else has.. If a hardened criminal had a hold of your grandchild and was ready to kill her if anyone "told the cops" why the heck would you tell him he's "being watched" on national television? Duh.

The Nanny.... IF there was a real nanny someone else would have seen her or gone with Casey to pick up Caylee. I can't imagine that in almost 2 years of babysitting no one saw this woman. Heck, no one even went to the complex and waited in the car while Casey ran in to get Caylee. I believe she went to the complex in search of a Nanny. The real ZG was in the office signing in, Casey saw a younger looking Hispanic woman (her ideal nanny) walk out with another woman and go towards the apartment she later lead authorities (which is way she could not pin point the exact apartment, only the breezeway) All Casey would have to do is walk into the office and look at the sign-in sheet. Pick a name and hope for the best.

The other thing I have heard is Caylee being dropped off with the real dads family, or another trust worthy person. Puerto Rico and all this nonsense. Why would Casey feel the need to hand off her child to someone? To get even with Cindy and George? Ok.. but then why is Casey all lovey dovey with mom and dad when she gets out of jail? If she felt the need to cause this whole fiasco and fuel the fire of it by not speaking.. then why is she so happy to see these people? Why hasn't she said "ok mom, I was mad, I sent Caylee off with so and so" everything would be over, and she'd probably be off the hook with LE, or have minor charges. Even if she was with someone who was taking care of her (Caylee is safe) wouldn't they of come forward by now? Not even for the reward but for the simple fact of the entire country is being told this child was kidnapped.. Why would you risk being identified as the perp just for Casey? and this brings me back to my first question... IF Caylee was alive somewhere.. Why was the car with the decomp smell abandoned and begging to be stolen???

Okay so Caylee is NOT with kidnappers, a Nanny, or a Family friend. The evidence that has been publicly gathered and all the stories was have heard unfortunately leaves one alternative.

Motive? Casey was involved in a new relationship. A relationship that didn't have room for a young child that required a lot of attention.
Plain and simple. For the first time sense she had Caylee she felt important, she was somebody when she was with Tony(E). They did everything a normal 22 year old would do that didn't have kids. Clubs, parties, fun. No responsibilities. How she did it.. I'm not sure. Where is Caylee now? My best guess is the Landfill.. Its too easy to dump a body in the dumpster, grab a bag of trash and toss it in the trunk to explain the smell and be done with it. Its sad, but I can't think of anything that has been said to say otherwise.
i heard they met online im wondering if tony knew about caylee before he met casey ... on one of her messages to him that i saw i thought she said sorry about all the crying the other day or night or something of that matter ..mabey caylee was the one crying ? i dunno but i know that i saw that on his page before he erased it .. i cant remember if it was facebook or if it was myspace though

WhitneyLea
08-25-2008, 01:09 AM
This is so long.. I'm sorry!
(snipped)
The Nanny.... IF there was a real nanny someone else would have seen her or gone with Casey to pick up Caylee. I can't imagine that in almost 2 years of babysitting no one saw this woman. Heck, no one even went to the complex and waited in the car while Casey ran in to get Caylee. I believe she went to the complex in search of a Nanny. The real ZG was in the office signing in, Casey saw a younger looking Hispanic woman (her ideal nanny) walk out with another woman and go towards the apartment she later lead authorities (which is way she could not pin point the exact apartment, only the breezeway) All Casey would have to do is walk into the office and look at the sign-in sheet. Pick a name and hope for the best.

How she did it.. I'm not sure. Where is Caylee now? My best guess is the Landfill.. Its too easy to dump a body in the dumpster, grab a bag of trash and toss it in the trunk to explain the smell and be done with it. Its sad, but I can't think of anything that has been said to say otherwise.

ITA with your entire post! IIRC, didn't Casey's friend Amy live with a roommate across the street from sawgrass apts? I'm thinking ... that if she had somewhere she could safely watch from, ie a friend's place, that she could have seen the "real" ZG get out of her car and go to look at an apartment. If she wrote down the license plate number ... I believe in FL that you can look up the owner's name in some type of public database. Anyone know for sure?

Then, if something happened to Caylee and she was trying to dispose of "evidence," she could have dumped it in a dumpster at Sawgrass (throwing a bag of trash in her trunk while she's there makes perfect sense, as you said!), and then watched from her friend's place to make sure the trash got picked up. Once she knew it was "gone for good" she was ready to go out and party again.
:eek:

twilight829
08-25-2008, 02:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by txtornado64
Ok, so please remember I am new. Just want to throw this scenario out there......I am not sure how this would work, but what if Casey got into something REALLY bad. Maybe, and this is just a thought...her and her friends killed someone, and may be expecting a retalliation of some sort, she sent Caylee off with someone(she said she knew who Caylee was with, just not where) told whoever has her to keep on the move. Maybe Casey and Baez are working on how to get Casey out of this mess with out having to worry about the retalliation part, before bringing Caylee home???? I know it is a little (maybe alot) far fetched, but it would explain why no one in that family is panicing the way I know I would be, and would explain why Casy hasn't done more to find her child..........If anyone has reasons as to why this may not be what is going on, please explain.....I am just grasping at straws here. Thank you
I am bringing this over from the general thread, as it seems to fit better in this one.

CheckDaFacts
08-25-2008, 02:33 AM
Here is a logical theory, Casey has info vital to the whereabouts of her daughter Caylee. She should come clean and tell what she knows. Its really not difficult, after all it is her child to which she should be very concerned about. If Caylee is well then Baez should utilize his resources to pick up Caylee and bring her home safely. Yet its still not done! I don't buy the ZG, kidnappers, or the now current flip of my friend theories. IMO its all a smoke screen to just cover Miss Casey's bottom.

Casey where is Caylee? This is to the point!

chizap
08-25-2008, 06:16 AM
This is so long.. I'm sorry!
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DaisyBelle you think like me- I posted similarly in the "decomp" thread and the ZG theory in the "the one thing" thread! ...jmo

chizap
08-25-2008, 06:33 AM
[quote=twowolves;2550333]I found this posted on a blog....read and give your thoughts:
So, between the time the grandpa left (2:30pm) and the time Casey comes out of her coma (maybe 20-30min later) ...realizes 'OH S**T, where is Caylee??? She jumps up freaking out.....finally to find her dtr in the pool-drowned.....then that is where the flurry of calls happen around 3pm to 4pm....to her Mom, Dad and friends whom all of which do NOT answer.

Then came the cover up...for whatever reason. Maybe out of embarrassment/shame for having fallen back asleep? Not wanting to be to blame??
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could be why they all co blame each other and stick together...jmo

chizap
08-25-2008, 06:41 AM
i heard they met online im wondering if tony knew about caylee before he met casey ... on one of her messages to him that i saw i thought she said sorry about all the crying the other day or night or something of that matter ..mabey caylee was the one crying ? i dunno but i know that i saw that on his page before he erased it .. i cant remember if it was facebook or if it was myspace though

yes I remember seeing that too- if it was early June- maybe apologizing for the baby crying, late nights , sleeping in etc. - if it was around the 17th of June or later- everyone assumes Casey did not grieve-no matter how callous or how much she cannot admit a mistake or take the consequences of her actions - no one really knows if she cried or how much or when. It would be a horrible thing to try to get out of your mind- hence the major partying - "drunk to forget"
If the family did try to help her cover up an accident at home - she may have been instructed to "act normal" which to her - might be go out and party....jmo

DaisyBelle
08-25-2008, 09:08 AM
ITA with your entire post! IIRC, didn't Casey's friend Amy live with a roommate across the street from sawgrass apts? I'm thinking ... that if she had somewhere she could safely watch from, ie a friend's place, that she could have seen the "real" ZG get out of her car and go to look at an apartment. If she wrote down the license plate number ... I believe in FL that you can look up the owner's name in some type of public database. Anyone know for sure?

Then, if something happened to Caylee and she was trying to dispose of "evidence," she could have dumped it in a dumpster at Sawgrass (throwing a bag of trash in her trunk while she's there makes perfect sense, as you said!), and then watched from her friend's place to make sure the trash got picked up. Once she knew it was "gone for good" she was ready to go out and party again.
:eek:

IIRC, Amy and Ricardo lived across from the 55+ community BUT as I'm see more and more sleuthing going on (you guys rock!) someone saw that (correct me if I'm wrong!) Tony(E) promotion company he worked with had it business address at Sawgrass... All she had to do was ride with Tony(E), wait out in the car whiles he's doing his business.. and just be observant. Tony(E) probably went there a few times a week to get advertisements or what-not (I have no clue what these guys are supposed to be doing!) She was probably very familiar with the place, and knew the traffic in and out.

YES, IIRC in FLA you can look up a tag number and get the owners name (I think the address is still private) I honestly think the Landfill is where she is though.. Having lived in Fla for many years, you just don't go to the swamp or anything.. Its not that easily accessed, and being a girly-girl myself.. Its pretty scary. I wouldn't go there alone for any reason! :eek:

BondJamesBond
09-04-2008, 01:55 AM
Need help locating info on George’s new job and his changing schedule to bounce against the following theory. I vaguely recall a video interview in which he states he had to go to an afternoon meeting he had with his new job.

Here’s a working theory. This one doesn’t take any initiative on Casey’s part. I haven’t seen (would openly like to) any evidence that Casey plans much of anything. Her life appears to be VERY self-centered and short-term focused, as in, “What am I gonna do today?”, or, “Where am I going to party this weekend?”. A grand plan seems far beyond her modus operandi. Her actions are in the present and without much thought for consequences.

*6/9:

Caylee & Casey spend last night @ Glenwood (per Ricardo’s statement)

*6/10-6/15:

Casey in transition. Caylee continues to stay nights w/ George & Cindy. Casey stays nights @ Tony’s on & off (per Roy’s statement). Caylee goes w/ Casey to Tony’s and on daytrips/errands while Tony is in school 9AM-1PM. This is the period when Roy becomes acquainted w/ Caylee. Casey returns Caylee to George & Cindy’s just before 1PM each afternoon in time for Caylee’s afternoon naps and Casey returns to Tony’s alone for the night. When Caylee awakes from her nap, George is typically home if Casey isn’t there to care for her.

*6/15: After Caylee and Cindy visit w/ Cindy’s parents they return home and go for a swim in the pool. Cindy forgets to remove the ladder when they’re done. This is why the ladder is in place 6/17 (per Anthony’s account to Greta).

*6/16: Casey now accustomed to her new schedule brings Caylee IN (not OUT per George’s account w/ Greta) to George and Cindy’s @ 12:50PM and puts her down for her nap. Casey leaves [one scenario - sneaks out through the back yard gate and leaves This is one explanation for why the gate was discovered open 6/17 (per Anthony’s account to Greta), another scenario she walks past George while he’s watching TV and not paying attention] to go to Tony’s for the evening. Casey, unaware of George’s changing schedule, assumes George will be taking care of Caylee until Cindy returns, or she muttered something to him as she left and he didn’t acknowledge hearing her.

George, believing Casey is still in the house leaves for an afternoon commitment with his new job. Caylee awakes at home alone. She wanders around and into the back yard. She discovers the ladder still attached to the pool – and climbs in.

Casey calls George’s cell @ 3PM, perhaps just to check on Caylee, or to say she won’t be coming home. Alternatively, she may return home and doesn’t see George or Caylee and thinks they may have gone on an errand together. At 4:10PM she discovers Caylee and the flurry of calls begin.

The calls go unanswered and Casey attempts to “solve” this problem the way she always solves problems – cover it up and lie her way through it. At this point Casey is furious with George, and realizes Cindy will blame her. Casey is also blaming Cindy for the ladder being left in place. Casey is compelled first and foremost to avoid the confrontation with Cindy and sets about hiding the body/disposing of the body.

George’s account of Caylee LEAVING on 6/16 may be a completely honest mistake. Or, he may realize Casey’s nanny/kidnapping story needs credibility and he changes it to support Casey. Note that Casey’s statement of dropping Caylee w/ the nanny was in the exact timeframe (i.e. 9AM-1PM) that she was accustomed to having Caylee @ Tony’s vs.George’s LEAVING account that doesn’t fit her ‘normal’ schedule.

The “gas cans” account takes me down too many twists to cover at this point.

The 7/15 3:35PM call to Casey from “Kyle” may, in fact, have been George calling Casey from the “lost BlackJack” he discovered in the car. (Kyle~Klee~Caylee?) to tell her he’s picked up the car, and figured out something is seriously wrong. George may dispose of the BlackJack and set about cleaning the car 7/15 PM. He is absent from the time he picks up the car until 9:50PM.

I’d really appreciate pointers to info on George’s new job and any change in his routine schedule. I don’t have Cindy’s schedule, but, believe she works a “typical” day job schedule and returns home ~6PM.

It would also be interesting to know if “Kyle’s” number matches the 407-856-8405 number given to LE by Kiomarie.

California Dreamer
09-04-2008, 02:14 AM
I looked up that number via reverse lookup in whitepages.com and it shows as being unlisted and a land line # in Orlando. I don't know the area and how accurate this is, but it like it is near W. Anderson Street and the 408 expressway. Don't know how that would relate to?

ThoughtElf
09-04-2008, 02:21 AM
*6/16: Casey now accustomed to her new schedule brings Caylee IN (not OUT per George’s account w/ Greta) to George and Cindy’s @ 12:50PM and puts her down for her nap. Casey leaves [one scenario - sneaks out through the back yard gate and leaves This is one explanation for why the gate was discovered open 6/17 (per Anthony’s account to Greta), another scenario she walks past George while he’s watching TV and not paying attention] to go to Tony’s for the evening. Casey, unaware of George’s changing schedule, assumes George will be taking care of Caylee until Cindy returns, or she muttered something to him as she left and he didn’t acknowledge hearing her.

George, believing Casey is still in the house leaves for an afternoon commitment with his new job. Caylee awakes at home alone. She wanders around and into the back yard. She discovers the ladder still attached to the pool – and climbs in.

Presumes Caylee could access the backyard. Children this age can't usually open sliding glass doors by themselves. So possible IF back sliders we ajar. If A/C was on, that is unlikely.

The calls go unanswered and Casey attempts to “solve” this problem the way she always solves problems – cover it up and lie her way through it. At this point Casey is furious with George, and realizes Cindy will blame her. Casey is also blaming Cindy for the ladder being left in place. Casey is compelled first and foremost to avoid the confrontation with Cindy and sets about hiding the body/disposing of the body.

Possible.

George’s account of Caylee LEAVING on 6/16 may be a completely honest mistake. Or, he may realize Casey’s nanny/kidnapping story needs credibility and he changes it to support Casey. Note that Casey’s statement of dropping Caylee w/ the nanny was in the exact timeframe (i.e. 9AM-1PM) that she was accustomed to having Caylee @ Tony’s vs.George’s LEAVING account that doesn’t fit her ‘normal’ schedule.

I haven't seen anything that has stated that Casey was accustomed to having Caylee at Tony's from 9-1:00 anywhere. IIRC, Clint stated he and Casey would leave together at approximately the same time in the morning. Please provide a link for Caylee being at Tony's in the mornings on a usual basis.

Also, Tony stated that he was often home later from school (i.e. 3:00-4:00) if he stopped after class with friends. So I am not sure I have seen evidence that Casey indeed had a 'normal' schedule.


The “gas cans” account takes me down too many twists to cover at this point.

I'll give you that one without playing devil's advocate. :)

The 7/15 3:35PM call to Casey from “Kyle” may, in fact, have been George calling Casey from the “lost BlackJack” he discovered in the car. (Kyle~Klee~Caylee?) to tell her he’s picked up the car, and figured out something is seriously wrong. George may dispose of the BlackJack and set about cleaning the car 7/15 PM. He is absent from the time he picks up the car until 9:50PM.

I sort of like this one, except that on her phone, if the display did say Kyle, then that would mean she listed her own phone number in the on-hand phone as 'Kyle'. And the fact that he was at work until he finally came home at 9:50 after multiple calls from Cindy and trying to get Lee to intervene.

I’d really appreciate pointers to info on George’s new job and any change in his routine schedule. I don’t have Cindy’s schedule, but, believe she works a “typical” day job schedule and returns home ~6PM.

It would also be interesting to know if “Kyle’s” number matches the 407-856-8405 number given to LE by Kiomarie.

Can't help you with George's job info, but the 'Kyle' number speculations don't quite fit.

Cagney
09-04-2008, 02:45 AM
It doesn't take into account the Chloroform in the car? How did that get there and what was it used for?

BondJamesBond
09-04-2008, 10:09 AM
Presumes Caylee could access the backyard. Children this age can't usually open sliding glass doors by themselves. So possible IF back sliders we ajar. If A/C was on, that is unlikely.

Possible.

Good point. I wasn't certain of door type. I noted what appeared to be a lightweight swinging door on the sunporch in the Greta interview. IF Casey was trying to leave quietly, she may have left a sliding door between house & sunporch cracked open. If not the door, another accident that resulted from Caylee being left alone would still work.

I haven't seen anything that has stated that Casey was accustomed to having Caylee at Tony's from 9-1:00 anywhere. IIRC, Clint stated he and Casey would leave together at approximately the same time in the morning. Please provide a link for Caylee being at Tony's in the mornings on a usual basis.

I couldn't find any direct information on this, but, the information I did find IMHO makes this possible. I don't mean to suggest that it was like clockwork, but, it has really bothered me that w/ exception of Cindy, all other accounts pointed to ZFG being a newly inserted (e.g. weeks) detail of Casey's story to friends.

From the Clint interview w/ Greta: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,403801,00.html

HOUSE: She would be gone right before I would leave. I would leave for school -- we would leave about the same time. I left for school -- I had to go to classes at 9:00 o'clock in the morning, so I would leave about 8:30. So she'd be getting ready to leave about the same time.

VAN SUSTEREN: Would she take Caylee with her?

HOUSE: Caylee never stayed the night over.

VAN SUSTEREN: So she just brought Caylee over during the day, and you met her, but otherwise, she stayed at the grandparents'?

HOUSE: Uh-huh.

VAN SUSTEREN: Did she ever mention Zenaida Gonzalez?

HOUSE: Not once. Never heard that name at all.



Also, Tony stated that he was often home later from school (i.e. 3:00-4:00) if he stopped after class with friends. So I am not sure I have seen evidence that Casey indeed had a 'normal' schedule.

From Tony's statement, "I had 9 to 1 p.m., class"..."sometimes I won't be home til 1:30, 2 o'clock in the afternoon". He then states that "this month [July] ....I'm pretty much at school from 9 to 5." So, in June it's 9-1.

Also from Tony's statement, "Q: So you wouldn't think anything different if she's here when you get back..." "A: Exactly....she's cooking and cleaning" and from earlier in the same line of questioning, "A: She said you know she's already been home and back with groceries and said she was out and doing errands".

I sort of like this one, except that on her phone, if the display did say Kyle, then that would mean she listed her own phone number in the on-hand phone as 'Kyle'. And the fact that he was at work until he finally came home at 9:50 after multiple calls from Cindy and trying to get Lee to intervene.

I'm not solidly behind the phone thing, but, thinking it may be one way George connected with Casey without Cindy being in the loop. Just a thought. Reaching? Sure. I've been curious why it was released as "Kyle" vs. a number, unless they were unable/unwilling to determine/reach its owner. I'm iffy on George's being at work. I know that is the expectation, but, haven't seen this explicitly in any statement. Would appreciate a link.

lillygator
09-04-2008, 10:14 AM
Presumes Caylee could access the backyard. Children this age can't usually open sliding glass doors by themselves. So possible IF back sliders we ajar. If A/C was on, that is unlikely.




IDK, my girls have been able to open them since they were two - as long as the pin wasn't in the top.

BondJamesBond
09-04-2008, 10:20 AM
It doesn't take into account the Chloroform in the car? How did that get there and what was it used for?

Not quite sure yet. Perhaps it was used by George as a spot remover in an attempt to clean things up.

I'm not completely up to speed on the timing of the chloroform searching on the PC, but, if the searches were 'bookended' by other searches it might be clear who was doing the searching (i.e. Facebook=>stain remover=>MySpace, would be Casey; Cooking=>stain remover=>AARP, would be George :))

suspicious mind
09-04-2008, 10:21 AM
George, believing Casey is still in the house leaves for an afternoon commitment with his new job. Caylee awakes at home alone. She wanders around and into the back yard. She discovers the ladder still attached to the pool – and climbs in.

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wouldnt George notice if Casey's car was gone when he pulled out of the driveway?

BondJamesBond
09-04-2008, 10:23 AM
wouldnt George notice if Casey's car was gone when he pulled out of the driveway?

Not if he thought it was in the garage. He wasn't paying close attention to details.

darlin gal
09-04-2008, 10:23 AM
yeah. I don't buy it.

She left with Caylee on the night of the 15th after a fight with her parents.

darlin gal
09-04-2008, 10:24 AM
Not if he thought it was in the garage. He wasn't paying close attention to details.

she didn't park her car in the garage. the neighbor even said that.

Baznme
09-04-2008, 10:25 AM
It doesn't take into account the Chloroform in the car? How did that get there and what was it used for?

It occurred to me this morning that the chloroform may have been obtained as part of the "alleged kidnapping" scenario.

BondJamesBond
09-04-2008, 10:33 AM
she didn't park her car in the garage. the neighbor even said that.

I know the neighbor said he'd never seen her BACK into the garage. Did the neighbor state that Casey never parked in the garage? I hadn't read that. Can you point me to it?