Theories on what happened to Caylee

[PrayersForMaura]

I saw that someone posted here http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/live-video-of-c.html#more
that they think Casey may have accidentally left Caylee in the car in the heat and she died and Casey covered it up by burying her in a panic. Hence the awful smell in the car.

What do you think?

[Ladybass0711]

I think GM did something to caylee and is making casey take the fall.

[Beyond Belief]

A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.

[santos1014]

A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.


wow..this just is dejavu of Trenton Duckett isn't it?

[Carrington]

I'm going with the left in the car theory, and Casey did everything wrong from that point on....

[less0305]

I saw that someone posted here http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/07/live-video-of-c.html#more
that they think Casey may have accidentally left Caylee in the car in the heat and she died and Casey covered it up by burying her in a panic. Hence the awful smell in the car.

What do you think?


I think the cadaver dogs only hitting on the trunk would mean that she didn't die accidentally inside the car where the seats are. If that were the case, wouldn't the cadaver dogs have hit on the seats in the car and also in the trunk?

[SCAngel]

Up until yesterday, I couldn't believe the person in those happy, loving pics of Casey and Caylee together, could murder her child - I thought it was tragically a case of an abusive new boyfriend killing her daughter (that's why she said she wanted immunity and was afraid to say what happened). But after watching Casey in court yesterday, I really and truly believe she killed Caylee in a moment of anger.

[Carrington]

I think the cadaver dogs only hitting on the trunk would mean that she didn't die accidentally inside the car where the seats are. If that were the case, wouldn't the cadaver dogs have hit on the seats in the car and also in the trunk?

Maybe Caylee wasn't dead. Maybe Casey just thought she was and put her in the truck, where she later died.

[less0305]

Maybe Caylee wasn't dead. Maybe Casey just thought she was and put her in the truck, where she later died.

That's definately a possibility.

[absolut_alexis]

I agree. She got in a fight with her mom and wanted to go out with her friends, and she realized that if she didn't have Caylee, she could break all ties with her mom and answer to no one. I think she killed Caylee, tried to bury her, rethought it, and threw the body in the lake.

A spoiled mother and a spoiled child makes for fireworks. The mother lost control and harmed the child. She went through the motions of life and concealed the fact the child was missing. No one else is involved but the child's mother.

[soccermom2]

OMG...last night as I was laying in bed a vision hit me of Caylee being left in the car accidentally & Casey panicking when she found her & realized she had died. I logged in just now & see the post from last evening about the car theory...blew me away! I also think that she may have tried to bury her at some point but couldn't put the dirt over her face. Casey is obviously a pathological liar, after a month of telling herself she didn't do anything she more than likely believes this in her head. I seriously don't think Cindy knows anything about what happened else wise I believe she would have never suggested going to the police & reporting Caylee missing. Caylee has no father in the picture to explain her absence to so who would question her long term absence?

[NewMom2003]

Honestly I don't know what to think. I do think Casey killed Caylee. I just don't know if it was on purpose, in a fit of rage, or accidental.

I keep going back and forth on Cindy being part of a cover-up.

I think there is major dysfunction in the Anthony family that directly or indirectly led to Caylee's death.

[LI_Mom]

It's also possible that Caylee was harmed by one of Casey's unsavory contacts while on the streets.... drugs, alcohol, sex, violence... all or some of these might have been a factor.

After Caylee is hurt or killed, Casey being the flake she is, has no idea what to do... puts her in the trunk & drives around looking for a place to dump her body.

Tries burying her & changes her mind & puts her back into the trunk (thus the smell & the dirt).....

I think Casey then looked for a remote spot where alligators were likely to dispose of her problem.


I don't feel Cindy knew anything at all BEFORE she called police but I suppose it's possible she did.

[gaia227]

It all goes back to the abandoned car for me. Why would abandon her car? There had to be a reason. I have toyed with the idea she accidently ran over Caylee in the driveway, freaked, did something to the body and abandoned the car out of guilt or because she is scared of evidence being found.
But my gut tells me she killed her in a fit of anger or resentment or she was angry and decided to punish her by putting her in the trunk where she died.

[MistyM]

i think if it would have been an honest accident with no neglect she would have called an ambulance. there must be an unsavory element to caylee's death. if the cadaver dogs hit on the parent's back yard, she probably tried to hide her there for a while then transported her to another spot. she had her body in the trunk for a while to get the 'stench' going as they called it. i really don't think grandma and grandpa knew about her death at first and i think they know now but are in a state of shock and casey is denying it, and they haven't seen the body so they still believe she might be alive. i think a friend helped her hide caylee. and i think she want's immunity because it was an 'accident' that caylee died, but she knows she's in trouble for hiding it. so she thinks if she can tell the truth she won't get into trouble, and they will 'forgive' her for hiding it and let her go.

example: "i was partying and really drunk and i couldn't find a babysitter so i had caylee in the car, caylee died in the heat, i freaked out and was too scared to tell my parents and i didn't know what to do so i put the baby in the back yard for a while, then i took her and put her out in the bushes/pond/lake somewhere. it was an accident but i was scared, so that's what happened can i please go now? it wasn't my fault i'm sorry that i lied and hid it but i was scared."

[ember]

Could she have been sold?

We know Casey is unstable and wants to party..maybe her daughter cramped her style so she waited until her parents were gone and sold her, we know she could use the money....I dunno...just thinking out loud....but it might explain why Casey won't talk about it...and why there might be sightings of Caylee with someone else....

I sure hope that little beauty isn't dead....and I don't understand why her momma is keeping mum. If it were my child missing, I'd be shouting everything I know from the rooftops!

Sadly, I think if she is dead the GM knows this and is doing all she can to cover for her daughter. She's already lost one of her girls and is trying to salvage the other...at the expense of her granddaughter...sad.
IMO, the GM is unstable and on the wrong side.
If Casey was my daughter, I'd be visitng her everyday just to shake the chit out of her until she told me where that baby is. I don't understand why she is condoning Casey's silence and refusal to help. Boogles the mind. Do they all think so little of that precious baby?!

[michelle]

If Casey was my daughter, I'd be visitng her everyday just to shake the chit out of her until she told me where that baby is. !You and me both!

[Nedthan Johns]

The mother killed her accidently (neglect) and the grandmother is covering. The child at one point was buried in the grandmothers back yard but has been since moved.

[Luzer]

When I first heard this story, I felt Caylee died in the custody of Casey and she stayed away from her parents for 5 weeks to avoid having to tell them of the tragedy.

Now, with the Father's Day tape coming out where Cindy had seen Caylee on June 15, but Cindy stating before that the last day she had seen Caylee was June 9, and the lawyer stating that Casey can't state who has Caylee because Casey needs to save that for her defense, maybe Cindy was the one who had Caylee when she died. Or, Cindy and Casey both know exactly how Caylee died. The other thing to keep in consideration is Casey borrowing the shovel while her parents are gone. I think Caylee had been buried at the parent's place initially and Casey moved the body when she borrowed the shovel. She then disposed of the body again. This would explain why the cadaver dog hit at the parents' yard and also the car. Remember, they found hair, dirt and a stain in the car trunk. The hair would probably come lose pretty easily after decomposition sets in. Then, Casey abandons the car at the parking lot. (Did Cindy instruct her to plant the car somewhere it could be stolen, but it wasn't and instead impounded?)

I am beginning to believe Cindy sounds and acts like Susan Smith did in the first few days after she killed he sons. It really makes more and more sense that Casey and Cindy both know exactly what happened to Caylee.

[Carrington]

Luzer, wouldn't surprise me none if the keys weren't in it.
IMO

[mrs.kravitz]

[quote=ember;2409551]Could she have been sold?

We know Casey is unstable and wants to party..maybe her daughter cramped her style so she waited until her parents were gone and sold her, we know she could use the money....I dunno...just thinking out loud....but it might explain why Casey won't talk about it...and why there might be sightings of Caylee with someone else....

Maybe, but then who's dead body was in the trunk? This case is crazy. I wanted to like the gma, but she's nuts and looking more guilty of something by the minute. I wanted to think maybe Casey sold or gave her daughter to someone, but it goes back to the physical evidence...there was putridine and cadavertine in the trunk of Casey's car. If Caylee's not dead, whose dead body was in that trunk? Because unless that pizza was made with human body parts that degraded into recognizable amino acids, someone's body was definitely in there.

Another thing that bothers me...George is a retired deputy, no? Wouldn't he know that cadaver dogs wouldn't get too worked up over pizza? Wouldn't he know that the smell of death is unique to itself and undeniable from a scientific standpoint?

[bookbakery]

I think GM did something to caylee and is making casey take the fall.

I, too, believe that Cindy killed Caylee ...... //////

editing/changing what I think since I've read more. Casey drinks and does drugs? The people she is in contact with to buy drugs are criminals, some who have been in prison. Drug dealers and drug addicts are 2 completely different critters. Drug dealers are heartless criminals who prey on anyone. Also, what kind of drugs is Casey using? Caylee most likely was killed by someone that Casey was around. Casey may not have seen who killed her daughter or how, but she was responsible because she put Caylee in the position of contact with these types of people. She felt guilty because she directly or indirectly caused Caylee's death.

I'm sure she abandoned the car after getting rid of Caylee. She was trying to separate herself from this tragedy of her doing.

[Nocgirl]

Believe it or not this is the first I have heard of this case.

What about the new lead that a woman saw this child at the Orlando Apt July 2nd? could this woman be mistaken?

[CheckDaFacts]

:liar::liar:

Hi, new to boards
Caylee's clothing the day she supposedly went missing was a very important and an excellent point. Someone brought this up on another stream. If there is any truth to Mum Cass saying she was left with a nanny of sum sort then the family would not have had this essential info. There are a lot of holes and gaps in the GMA and Mum Cass's stories. The time line seems to be a continual shape shifter. Pity the Detectives and all involved in the investigation the shifting stops and starts are not aiding in finding Caylee. Very problematic.

First 72 hrs in the missing case are crucial but unfortunately not to Mum Cass who played she was doing her own investigation.

[jeepgirlva]

I think casey wanted to party and gave Kaylee drugs to sleep put her in the trunk to keep her somewhat safe and that poor baby could have woke up and try to get out and she cut her hand or her head causing blood possible suffocate in the trunk of the car. this just breaks my heart

[CheckDaFacts]

[quote=ember;2409551]Could she have been sold?

Another thing that bothers me...George is a retired deputy, no? Wouldn't he know that cadaver dogs wouldn't get too worked up over pizza? Wouldn't he know that the smell of death is unique to itself and undeniable from a scientific standpoint?


Receipts for spending would aid in your first thought. Since GMA continued in providing funds to her Mum daughter Cass, did she also provide her with a credit card? Or did she no longer trust her period? We now know that is not true. GMA spoke of a broken heart, that break was over in my opinion not being able to see Caylee, she was very attached to Caylee, very strong attachment. GMA is shielding her daughter Cass to a fault, her son Lee spoke of NO OBLIGATION TO SHARE FAMILY MATTERS EVEN WITH OTHER RELATIVES. Their united but its not assisting Caylee. Mum Cass is a grown woman with an attorney to protect her paid for by GMA & GPA. Caylee is the real victim not Mum Cass not that we know of.

Your second comment on GPA's experience should be a resounding YES if he was ever exposed to a DOA? I know he allegedly retired in 89 and I have no idea how long he served. DNA as we know on this case is not yet back. :cop:

[Sword'sMan]

Interesting ideas and theories here! But, why would she abandon a car she supposedly did something bad to her child with in front of a financial place open 24/7/ with security cameras present? Wouldn't you abandon it somewhere not to be found so easily? And, why abandon it just for running out of gas?! That makes no sense...as does most of this case.

[txsvicki]

After seeing Casey's Mom on tv and reading about Casey's lying, I believe that the Mom knows that the baby is most likely deceased since there is a smell of human flesh decay in the vehicle. She seems to now be trying to protect her daughter by saying that she was also a good mom for those couple of years. Anyone who is said to be a chronic liar by random men and who lies this much is severely mentally ill. Casey's Mom probably did know there were some problems and was trying to oversee her daughter like any decent mother. There were probably so many lies that Casey's parents may not have even realized over the years.

[CheckDaFacts]

Your so right about this case making no sense. How many of us on an empty tank hope we run out of gas in a parking lot? She was so lucky? Why didn't her friend that picked her up think to go for gas also? What was their conversation about this issue? Maybe she intentionally ran the car dry and wanted the car left where it would be found? Maybe when GMA said police arrested her to quickly she implied more than she knew. Mum Cass may have been still involved in constructing her story line. She is a chronic liar and like chronic liars they often want to be saved aka caught. GMA was always her Saviour she fits in perfectly. Parents would be ntfd of car which was registered to them/

[CheckDaFacts]

Mum Cass had a solid history of lying and stealing from her parents but GMA is her enabler. Its a torrid affair of denials and forgiving with a whole lot of anger between them over trusting. GMA is doing what she does the best rescuing and manipulating for hopeful compliance, which has semi worked in the past. My opinion is Mum Cass is afraid to tell on herself hence she is being made to appear as a victim by family and naturally the hired defense attorney. She needs to stop being a cowering child and be the woman parent she is suppose to be. Tell the truth for Caylee's sake as a loving mother would.

[ShinaLite]

Ok this is not going to be easy to write out because of course it's disturbing to even think about but I want to give the theory I am thinking may have occurred..

I believe somewhere around June 24-27 she got really frustrated with dealing with Caylee...She interfered with her partying lifestyle..I dont think it was planned...I think it was a moment of frustration where she either hit her to hard or possibly suffocated her to stop her from crying...I dont know where this occurred...could be the GMs house or somewhere she was staying. The scent in the backyard makes me think it started there in the GM's home..at the same time, I could see that after she realized what happened, that she killed her own daughter, she may have fled to the place she felt the safest (GM's) so not sure on the "where" this occurred... But I do think this is where it either occurred or the first place she immediately took Caylees body...I think she thought of the backyard to "hide" her...I think this is why the dogs picked up something there and why there was dirt in the car...I am guessing it will match with the dirt in thier backyard...I think she then suddenly realized this would be too close or maybe to hard to conceal and then put her in the trunk and drove...I think she ended up hiding the body a good hour or so away...a lot of stuff points to tallahassee so it may be in that direction she took...she may have had some truth in the lie she told her mom in one of the calls about going in that direction..I do see a lot of her friends have connections there..somewhere along the way of going there is where i think they will find Caylee...
After a night or two at most in that area, she came back to Orlando and abandoned the car on or about June 27...So in a nutshell my feeling is June 24-27 is going to be a big part of when something happened!!

[Leila]

I believe Caylee is deceased and only Casey is responsible for her daughter's death, whether it's accidental or intentional.

I think Casey initially waited for a time when she knew both her parents would be gone for a period of hours and buried Caylee in the parent's backyard. A few days later, I think Casey had second thoughts, worried that she didn't bury the body deep enough and the body would be found. I think she returned a few days later to exhume the body and move it to another location. By the time she exhumed Caylee's body, decomposition had begun, and in the time it took to transport the the body, the odor in the car became overwhelming.

After Casey disposed of the body in another location. she abandoned the car, perhaps in the hope that it would be stolen or stripped (I'd like to know if the car was unlocked when she left it which would facilitate theft).

I don't think George and Cindy knew what had happened until they retrieved the abandoned car and learned from Casey that Caylee is missing. They either know or suspect the truth. But, Cindy is the dominating member of the family and has elected to ignore the truth in order to try to save her daughter from a murder conviction. George and Lee seem helpless but to go along with Cindy. The fact that they immediately retained a criminal defense attorney (instead of a civil law attorney for advise) is evidence that they know.

[gitana1]

I believe that Casey brutally murdered her daughter. No accident except in that she could have been physically abusing her and it went too far. But, no accidental locking in cars, purposeful drugging that back fired, no slip or fall. I think this for a couple of reasons. 1st, casey's demeanor upon being arrested was so damn cold. It did remind me, as someone pointed out, of Diane Downs who killed her daughter and almost killed her two other children because she wanted to be free to date some dude. It also strongly reminded me of the mother of Baby Grace. Just cocky, arrogant and could not give a *#@! that her daughter was missing. If it was a true accident, she would seem different to me. 2nd, what I no longer see posted very much anymore are the facts of the case when it first broke and what led to GMA calling the police. Those facts are that after Casey moved out with Caylee, whenever that was, GMA kept trying to see Caylee or speak with her on the phone, for weeks, but Casey kept having excuses for whay Caylee was unavailable. That worried GMA. Then, after forcing the issue, Casey could not produce the child, so GMA felt "something was not quite right" and called the cops. Prior to the call, GMA posted an angry myspace message about how Caylee was missing (post date 7-3-08) and that it was all due to jealousy. I feel that Casey was jealous over GMA's bond with Caylee and possibly the attention to Caylee, etc. Also GMA seems like a very overbearing, spiteful person. So, to get back at mom, Casey takes away Caylee, prompting GMA's my space message. I think Casey likely has several personality disorders and is a sociapathic spoiled brat who later harmed the child to hurt her own mother and also because she disliked the child. Revenge and hate, whether consciously or not. I think she may have acted nicely towards the child prior to this because she was being watched and was acting how she thought she should. When she was alone for a long period with Caylee, it was a different matter. I do not think GMA or anyone else harmed the kid. But, Casey is a product of her mother. Cindy seems like what I call a "crazy lady" - very difficult, out there with her own personality disorders. She almost reminds me of a Munchausen by proxy type. Her daughter became the way she is as a result of Cindy. Now, Cindy is trying to protect her daughter and squirm away from what happened. She cannot face it for several reasons and is trying desperately to cover it up. She also likely knows much more than she is saying. I think she is lying now and should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. But, I also hope no one shuts her up because the more she blabs, the more we can find out about her duaghter, the family dynamics and ultimately, about what happened to that precious little girl. This is just my opinion based on what I have seen so far.

[Angel4Alpha]

Your so right about this case making no sense. How many of us on an empty tank hope we run out of gas in a parking lot? She was so lucky? Why didn't her friend that picked her up think to go for gas also?

How do we know she was who driving the car when it was left there and that a friend picked her up? Have you seen that said anywhere?

[bookbakery]

I believe that Casey brutally murdered her daughter. <snip> myspace message about how Caylee was missing (post date 7-3-08) and that it was all due to jealousy. I feel that Casey was jealous over GMA's bond with Caylee and possibly the attention to Caylee, etc. Also GMA seems like a very overbearing, spiteful person. So, to get back at mom, Casey takes away Caylee, prompting GMA's my space message. I think Casey likely has several personality disorders and is a sociapathic spoiled brat who later harmed the child to hurt her own mother and also because she disliked the child. <snip>

If Casey was jealous of the bond that Cindy had with Caylee, what could have set off Casey was Caylee's many requests to see CiCi (GMA). Casey is early 20's and immature... used to having her overbearing mother enable and rescue her (Casey) from Casey's responsibilities, so Casey isn't growing up any time soon. If Caylee was persistent in asking for her GMA, this could have enraged Casey to the point that Casey "disciplined" her and could have been drunk (see her photos at photobucket), lost her inhibition and accidentally went too far, thus killing Caylee. GMA couldn't help her out because this would cause GMA to be enraged with Casey.

Casey hasn't been taught how to properly handle her emotions (overbearing mothers rarely let their children express their emotions), hence the nonchalant attitude Casey had at her arrest. Also, Casey had had time to process Caylee's death. Casey probably has severe trauma PTSD from accidentally murdering her child, burying her, digging her up, disposing of her body and now sitting in jail by herself without her friends, her boyfriend and her alcohol. None of her family have visited her. Maybe none of her friends have either. Her second album at photobucket has many pictures that she obviously found on the Internet. Some are telling, like a child (Casey) being abandoned, or being the odd child out... so she is hanging on to these "friends" where the guys grope the girls, the girls wear revealing clothing, all drink beer, all give off those finger gang signs... Casey trying to fit in somewhere. Anywhere to get away from her mother and her conflict between wanting Caylee to love her over her mother, but not wanting to raise her totally alone (or not believing she can).. no telling what positive enforcements she missed out on during her development years. GRM appears to want to be Caylee's mother or at the very least the center of Caylee's life, thus shutting out Casey. The entire family is dysfunctional.

Even if it was by Casey's hand, Cindy is to blame, too, by enabling Casey. She knew that Casey was a chronic drinker (alcoholic?), loved to party and not a suitable parent (not that Cindy is either, but that's another story). She gave Casey a car to drive and money to use/drink and hang out with her friends. Cindy liked the control, maybe.. and didn't force Casey to get a job to support herself, thus keeping her child-like so Cindy could keep Caylee, which led to intense jealousy, which led to Caylee's death.

The last thing LE wants is for Casey and Cindy to get together alone. Keeping them apart... hoping one will break. It is usually the weaker one, so that would be Casey.... but she has an attorney paid for by her parents.. so we go 'round and 'round.

[BethInAK]

I think that Casey has a serious drug problem.
She either killed Caylee (accidentally or in a rage) or she sold her for drugs. The first option is obviously more likely.
Its also obvious that boty Cindy and Casey are habitual liars - something wong there.

[KOOL LOOK]

Hi to all our new posters and those who have been here and lurk. The posts are informative and full of great theories. Good jobs.

The proof is in the details that we can fit together as we know the facts and truths. Minus the lies, but keep considering the lies as there is truth in those also.

The month long behavior is very telling. The car being abandoned due to supposed running out of gas. Not notifying proper authorities or the family. The actions and words of those involved now. It's very telling to me. This case is another one of those that's gonna go down in the history books as an eye opener. I don't believe another case will parrell the dynamics here.

Casey and Cindy are interesting characters. Their behaviors actions and words leave much to question and figure out.

I sadly believe Caylee is no longer alive. I believe she is bured somewhere. I believe she possibly had been buried at her parents backyard at some time for a short period of time and moved due to paranoia.

I don't think Caylee has been sold. Just no evidence to support that theory in my opinion. Plus we have evidence pointing to death and hidden coverups.

I fully believe Cindy is covering up now, also protecting Casey, I believe she has been cooperative, then combative and un-cooperative. Thus both mother and daughter hindering this investigation.

I think we need to trust and believe in the eye witnesses and their testimonies as to what we're learning about the comings and goings, and these womens personalties. It reveals and says alot.

I theroize either Caysee was tired of a child to contend with, getting in her way, taking the spotlight of attention and hurt/nurdered her out of anger and jealousy. Caysee is very manipulative, a conniver in my eyes.

I personally don't like what I've seen in Cindy either. She is over bearing, controlling and combative. Caylee has suffered due to both of their actions while she lives, I really beleived that.

Little Caylee was played and pulled between these two arguing combative women. She got caught in the middle of a festering highly volitile family dynamic, that she was born into.

The Father of Caylee, who hasn't been named is so telling to me also. It makes me angry learning the facts concerning this childs life and how some have been treated by Caysee and Cindy. They don't appear to have respect for anyone, even authority figures.

I do believe this case will be solved, prosecuted and justice served though. Great job sleuthers and posters, this is a well maintained forum and makes one proud to be a part of it.

[Salem]

Okay - this is a little off the wall and is entirely speculation, as you will see.

What if.... someone named Zenedia really has Caylee? What if someone else was in that car. Say Casey got herself into some kind of mess. A friend OD's on drugs, a friend kills someone else in her presence, she kills someone else and in exchange for covering it up or making Casey keep her mouth shut, they take Caylee?

Bit of a conspiracy theory, just doesn't involve the Government :).

This is not what I think happened, but I am a bit intriqued by the airport sighting. At this point, I am pretty much discounting it. Apparently LE said they would release the composite providing the tip proved creditable. Soooooo.... sounds like LE did have a composite drawn up but they are not going to release it until they check the flight manifests, times, dates, etc. and can conclude that there is a definite possibility that Caylee was on that plane.

Anyway, just a thought.....

Salem

[lilpony]

Ok, I just right started reading about this tragedy. So Casey is the mother. Then who is Cindy, is she Casey's sister?

[lilywhite]

Ok, I just right started reading about this tragedy. So Casey is the mother. Then who is Cindy, is she Casey's sister?

Cindy is Casey's mom, Casey is Caylee's mom, making Cindy Caylee's grandmother.

Have a look around at some of the sticky threads and you'll get caught up fast.

[pjsmommy]

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Just wanted to say hello, I have literally read here everyday for YEARS but never could register because of an AOL email address. Anyways, this case finally prompted me to do something. I look forward to joining this community with you all and discussing, for now, I just had a quick thought regarding Caylee. Early on, in one of the television interviews (maybe have been with Greta, or Nancy Grace) the grandma was talking about the shed being locked....
when she was explaining that Casey would have used a shovel to remove bamboo, something else she said has stuck with me ever since, something about there are safety rules in this house, everything is child proofed, there is a rule about the ladder in the pool, it is never to be left on the pool??? Something like that, forgive me for sounding rambling, but has anyone brought that up? like maybe caylee drowned in their pool? Have the cops checked that? Maybe thats why they would smell that in the backyard, then she was moved later? casey may have freaked out that she left her daughter out there alone or something? Just a thought, and nice to meet you all, I'm Julie
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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe




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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe


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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe

This to me is a highly possible scenario! If this is what happened, I can even have a bit of compassion with Casey, although I can't understand why she would continue to hide the truth.
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[Faenorwyn]

A theory has come up on another thread (by PJSMOMMY) which is very interesting and several of us think it has some strong possibilities! There is a pool at the Anthony home. Cindy has said that they are very careful as far as family safety is concerned (locking the sheds, making sure the pool ladder is up, etc.). Well it's possible that while Cindy and George were out of town (anyone know the dates?) that Casey and Caylee were in the home. Somehow Caylee drowned in the pool (perhaps Casey left the ladder on after a party?) and when Casey found her, she panicked. She laid her inside the playhouse while she tried to compose herself or figure out what to do. Casey went over and borrowed a shovel from the neighbors, attempted to bury her daughter and when she determined she couldn't, she then moved her into the trunk. It's possible that she rode around for a few days, not quite sure what to do next. At some point she dumps the body or buries the body, then takes the car to the parking lot, calls her boyfriend and the rest is history.

To me it seems reasonable and here's why:

- alot of us have trouble seeing how she could intentionally kill Caylee because she did seem (from pictures, reports from friends, etc.) to love her daughter. with this theory, it's accidental and she just panics.

- it would explain the shovel as well as the decomp smell in the yard and car

- it seems to fit into Casey's personallity and lifestyle (immature, irresponsible, possibly she was drunk or had a hangover)

*This is all an opinion and just one possible scenario of what could have happened*

[Faenorwyn]

LOL PJSMOMMY.....looks like we both posted at the same time haha!

[pjsmommy]

LOL PJSMOMMY.....looks like we both posted at the same time haha!
Thanks Fae, I started to copy and paste the whole conversation, but got stopped saying it was too long. So i gave up. Hopefully we'll have some answers at some point!

[newshound81]

Hi all. I post on Websleuths, but haven't posted in Caylee's thread yet.

I think Caylee's age may play a role in this case. She is two going on three, the time when toddlers learn "no" and start defying their parents. Maybe Casey was able to handle Caylee better when she was a cute baby who didn't talk.

But then the time came when she actually had to start being a real mother, pottytraining Caylee, teaching her words, new skills, etc. But all Casey wanted to do was be 22 and go out and do whatever. She has a strange relationship with her own mother, so instead of taking Cindy up on her offer to care for Caylee, she decides to punish her and break free of her restraints and suffocate or beat Caylee to death, most likely on a night where she wanted to go out.

I think since she killed Caylee, Casey has disassociated from what she's done. It's kind of like some of the very young teenage girls who give birth in public toilets or at their proms and leave the babies to die. Somehow, a switch in them turns off and they deny to themselves what they did.

[pjsmommy]

Hi all. I post on Websleuths, but haven't posted in Caylee's thread yet.

I think Caylee's age may play a role in this case. She is two going on three, the time when toddlers learn "no" and start defying their parents. Maybe Casey was able to handle Caylee better when she was a cute baby who didn't talk.

But then the time came when she actually had to start being a real mother, pottytraining Caylee, teaching her words, new skills, etc. But all Casey wanted to do was be 22 and go out and do whatever. She has a strange relationship with her own mother, so instead of taking Cindy up on her offer to care for Caylee, she decides to punish her and break free of her restraints and suffocate or beat Caylee to death, most likely on a night where she wanted to go out.

I think since she killed Caylee, Casey has disassociated from what she's done. It's kind of like some of the very young teenage girls who give birth in public toilets or at their proms and leave the babies to die. Somehow, a switch in them turns off and they deny to themselves what they did.

There is most definitely a huge diffference from a baby to a 2 year old, i'm dealing with it myself right now, but to me I love it. I love watching my son learn something new everyday, and never once have i thought of him as a burden, but i do know some parents who would think so. It's just so darn sad, i still can't wrap my head around Casey doing this intentionally.

[maza]

Wildly speculating:

Casey's brother Lee or an uncle or a family friend is the bio-father.
Casey has been extorting $$ from her family.
She told her parents that gave Caylee to someone and they can't see her until they cough up money. (I'd say 50% chance she was never given to anyone, but was killed.)
When GM first heard about she called the cops, but now she has changed her story because Casey didn't crack.

[my2cents]

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Brand New Here
Just wanted to say hello, I have literally read here everyday for YEARS but never could register because of an AOL email address. Anyways, this case finally prompted me to do something. I look forward to joining this community with you all and discussing, for now, I just had a quick thought regarding Caylee. Early on, in one of the television interviews (maybe have been with Greta, or Nancy Grace) the grandma was talking about the shed being locked....
when she was explaining that Casey would have used a shovel to remove bamboo, something else she said has stuck with me ever since, something about there are safety rules in this house, everything is child proofed, there is a rule about the ladder in the pool, it is never to be left on the pool??? Something like that, forgive me for sounding rambling, but has anyone brought that up? like maybe caylee drowned in their pool? Have the cops checked that? Maybe thats why they would smell that in the backyard, then she was moved later? casey may have freaked out that she left her daughter out there alone or something? Just a thought, and nice to meet you all, I'm Julie
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I'm just going over scenarios in my head that might make any sort of sense. Perhaps the grandparents went on vacation, Casey is at their house with Caylee, they are playing in the backyard, Casey falls asleep/ gets distracted with the pool ladder up, and Caylee goes exploring. Casey then discovers what she's done, loses it, because she blames herself (rightfully so) is scared of her mother, and just panics. Thinks about what to do for a few days, while her parents are on vacation, leaves the body in the backyard hidden maybe in the playhouse (that would account for the dog hits), right before her parents are coming home, she decides she needs to move Caylee, and invent a story.
In my own head, i just can't see her doing something to her daughter intentionally, they just looked too happy in pictures.
As far as the grandmother, i feel that she didn't know any of this, and I don't feel like she is so much protecting Casey as she is herself. She is completely in denial IMO and doesn't want for a minute to believe her precious granddaughter is dead, so she will look at any crazy thought or explanation to rationalize it in her head because the alternative is too much for her to deal with. Deep down she may know, but she is trying to hang on and keep going because i think if she really sits down and thinks about it, she's going to realize what's happened and it will be too much for her to bear. She is projecting her anger for her daughter on to anyone else who is daring to make sense of this. She isn't guilty of harming her granddaughter i don't believe




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I think that this is what happened too. iN MY OPINION, I think she was drinking and got side tracked/left her unattended, or fell sleep and the baby fell in the pool and couldn't get out.

I'm not sure where the dogs hit. Anyone know? I think I recall that it was around the playhouse. If so, then she could have put the body there. Or laid the baby out on the ground, borrowed the shovel with the intention of burying her, got half way through, and realized that mom and dad would be home soon and want to know where the baby was and why there was a fresh hole in the yard. She may have hidden the body in the trunk to get it out of sight.

If the baby was in the pool dead long enough, I would think that decomp would set in and would leave more of a trace on the ground and the trunk. Does anyone know if a freshly dead body will leave a "stench" on the lawn if, say, she was trying to do CPR for a few minutes?

In my opinion, it is too unlikely that a child is missing and there was a decomposing smell of someone other than the missing child in the yard and the trunk. I hate to say it, but I believe something bad happened to that child.

THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY.

[my2cents]

Also, IIRC, wasn't there a flower bed type thing near the playhouse? I think I recall seeing that on tv when the dogs were there? I think it had shrubs and pine straw in it?

I find it likely that she may have removed the pine straw thinking that she could bury her there and replace the pinestraw and it would not be as noticable. Maybe the roots prevented her from burying her, so she had to put her in the trunk.

[maza]

this seems very plausible. explains some of the weird statements by Grandma after the fact with regard to Casey being afraid to tell her things. also, i would guess Grandpa might have been completely in the dark which would explain his bewilderment.

(this is a reply to the previous post)

[packerdog]

I wonder if Casey put caylee in the trunk, telling her it was a game so that she could go out and party. She could have given her some pizza to eat while in the trunk. When Casey opened the trunk she was dead. Reason the pizza was in the trunk. I would have thought if she purchased pizza any remains would be in the car. Why put it in the trunk instead of throwing it in a garbage some where.

[Straitfan]

Wondering if Casey left her in trunk, hence the smell and knew others would notice so she placed trash in the trunk hoping to cover up the odor, after realizing it wasn't getting rid of the oder, she abandoned the car. Does anyone know if she was in fact staying with parents then left and took the car when they were on vacation?

As for the Gma, I don't think she knew anything even now except that she may believe Caylee is deceased and cant admit to herself as it would overwhelm her right now. Her brother, to me anyway, sounded as if he is trying to pry info out of Casey, acting "as if he is on her side" to make her trust him and give him info. I think the whole family at this point, though wanting to hold out hope she is still alive is hoping she will reveal something along the way so they can find Caylee. God Bless the precious little baby :(

[lv2bgoing]

I am new to this site.
this case had me from MISSING CHILD. I started following it from day one. I cant stop thinking about it. I even had dreams of it and unrestfull sleep.
As everyone else on this thead think, she is not coming home. I am not sure if we will ever know all the answers to all the lies in this case. Its deffenently a case of many turns and twists.
I watch all the tv show on crimes and I know we will find out a lot on this but
never all of it. (she is acting like susan that drowned her 2 boys)
I agree with most of you on it being an accident went wrong. Drugs do many stupid things to your brain, thinking she could cover it up.
I think she is acting the way she is because she has already gone through her greeving period and now all she is worried about is saving her sole.
I feel bad for all the folks she has out looking for this child.
I am sorry she just doent seem like a mother that just lost her child from someone taking her.

[bookbakery]

I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.

[BrendaStar]

Hi everbody! I haven't posted in a long time, but this case has got me going. It's obvious Cayley is not coming home alive. Casey probably killed her accidently or deliberately by leaving her in the car in the Florida heat or by putting her in the truck while alive. Either way I doubt if it would have taken long for the heat to kill her. The pizza was probably put in later to cover up the smell of death, but obviously didn't work.

Sounds like Cayley was in the way for Casey's new relationship with her boyfriend. So I doubt if she was too sad having her out of the way.

[Tx Nonna]

I think Caylee drown in that pool while mommy dearest was preoccupied and wasn't watching her. Then mommy panicked, knowing what her mother would say and do. Telling her what a bad mother she was etc. She didn't think that her family would forgive her for her ignorance. She buried little Caylee's body in the yard until she could think and figure out what to do next, where everyone would believe her story. JMO

Although, I still pray I'm wrong!

[Adrienne37]

I think all of the Anthony's with the possible exception of the grandfather need to be locked up and the key thrown away until such time they admit what happened to Caylee. I am fully convinced that Casey is responsible for what happened to Caylee and am really leaning towards Cynthia being involved, maybe not directly but certainly indirectly, by providing false statements, trying to deflect the attention and focus off of Casey's involvement, etc. Anyway, it's a tragedy what has happened and when I look at pics of Caylee, she reminds me so much of Samantha Runnion and we know what happened to her.

[Ruflossn]

I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.

Bookbakery,
I totally agree with this post. It makes me sick to think about it. Unfortunately, I think you "hit the nail on the head" with your opinion.

Ruflossn

[Tx Nonna]

I also think that it's possible, Cindy "MAY" have figured it out, and thought she already lost her granddaughter and is trying her best not to loose her daughter now too. Knowing Casey will be facing prison time for a very long time. But her guilt is getting the best of her, and she if failing miserably at trying to convince people of her daughters innocence.
.... Although, I am not convinced just yet on this part.

[SWAG1959]

Ok - hubby wants me to throw this out. I think he watches way too much Sci-Fi and CSI but. . .

Zanny does exist - or did. Zanny was a mule - someone who transports shipments of drugs. Casey dropped Caylee with her around June 21. Zanny calls Casey and tells her she needs to "make a run" and has left Caylee with a "mutual friend". Casey knows this "mutual friend" and is alright with it. Zanny goes on to tell her that if Casey picks her up from bus station or wherever when she gets back, Zanny will give her a "taste" or maybe even more from the shipment and they can go pick up Caylee. Zanny is only going to be gone maybe 10 - 12 hours so Casey says sure. Casey picks up Zanny when she gets back - June 22. Being the coniving, scheming witch she is, Casey figures she'll just make Zanny "disappear". That way she can keep the shipment (big $$$$) and then go get Caylee. Casey kills Zanny (or Zanny OD's) - goes to GM and GF house - remember they were not there at this time - finds out she can't really bury a body there. Backs up the car, breaks in the shed, gets the gas cans, puts Zanny in the trunk. She goes somewhere and gets rid of Zanny. Now to go pickup Caylee. When she gets to the "mutual friend" she finds out that "friend" is the trafficker - the one Zanny was to deliver to (which was unbeknownst to Casey). Friend tells Casey - no Zanny - you don't get Caylee. Tells her that until Zanny or shipment is produced - Caylee is collateral. Casey is now reeling. She hides the shipment or has already sold it or maybe Zanny sold most of it. So now what? What better way to find Zanny than to have LE looking for her. "Mutual friend" doesn't care that LE is looking for her, but is pissed because he/she has Caylee and has to keep her hidden now. Casey wants to talk to the Feds - tell them this sordid, twisted tale, because after all she hasn't done anything - she'll play it off to the Feds that Zanny OD'd or someone else ambushed them and killed Zanny and took the drugs. She is just an innocent player that got "caught up in all this". Who did Casey go with to Universal to find this "mutual friend"? And was that where she found out she wasn't getting Caylee back? There has to be some reason why LE hasn't dropped the bomb. They have certainly had enough time to nail Casey's arse to the wall if the logical story of her killing Casey is true. Susan Smith cracked in 9 days and only because they were closing in on her. Casey has been sitting in jail for almost 2 weeks - 14 days and is sticking to this convoluted story of hers. If just some - one or two tidbits - of what Casey has been saying is checking out - LE has to know something is up. Or maybe they have ID'd the stain and it isn't Caylee. Still doesn't explain why LE isn't searching though.

Now is that a story or what? At least hubby is happy and has gone away. I keep telling him he should be a writer. He does seem to explain all that we know to have happened.

[Class-z]

Honestly I don't know what to think. I do think Casey killed Caylee. I just don't know if it was on purpose, in a fit of rage, or accidental.

I keep going back and forth on Cindy being part of a cover-up.

I think there is major dysfunction in the Anthony family that directly or indirectly led to Caylee's death.

I know I"m coming in late and haven't read all the post, but just had to say.

That if this were an accident and you had a mother that didn't have some kind of personality disorder, ir not a sociopath, we would see more emtion. This complete continous cover up, says premeditated to me. There is absolutely NO emotion involved with this girl, zip and she's a pathaological liar as well.

And her mother, I have a very big problem with Casey's mother the grandmother. I think the lying comes naturally. Her mother rant about the police department last night, just made me sick.

Casey is only concerned about Casey and the parents seem to be covering for her in some way, or at least making nothing but excuses for her.

[ElizaAvalon]

This is my own speculation, subject to change.

I think Cindy and Casey had an argument the weekend of 6/14 over Casey's unauthorized use of Cindy's credit card. I think the credit card event happened before Casey left her parents home because a) Cindy talks about Casey's lying, stealing ("lots of money") and manipulation on her myspace page on 7/3 (it makes sense that Cindy would talk about the reasons why she is angry at her daughter while discussing her being gone) and b) Casey resorted to stealing from her friend Amy (both cash and forged checks) and gas from her parents' shed during her departure.

Cindy may have even said the words, "get out of my house" in the heat of the argument.

Casey may have fled alone before the visit to the nursing home on 6/15 and then came back to get Caylee overnight after everyone went to bed.

Casey took Cindy/George's car without permission.

This would explain Cindy's inconsistent statements regarding Casey and Caylee's not being home for the month, her knowledge/ignorance of when they went, where they went, why they went, etc., to throw any perception of guilt on Cindy's part away from herself. In addition, Cindy would not have claimed the car was stolen had she allowed Casey to borrow it for a pre-scheduled mini-vacation.

An argument between them would explain why Cindy did not call the police even though she believed Caylee to be "missing" as per her 7/3 myspace post. Casey leaving in a huff after an argument on the 15th would explain her facebook post on 6/24 mentioning not being in "the house" for 9 days because of some drama.

Due to Casey's complete lack of emotion or missing her daughter in any way, I believe a) Casey is the person responsible for Caylee's disappearance and b) Caylee is no longer alive.


No innocent mother would consistently throw up the roadblocks that Casey has been throwing up in the attempt of family and LE to get Caylee back. No innocent mother would go through phone calls with family dodging questions and not inquiring about the status of the family's investigation. If it were my child that was missing, I would have called my mother the very moment I couldn't find my child. I would have been beside myself, distraught, then and now. I would be feeding my family and LE every possible tidbit of information to help them find my child. This woman Casey is the exact OPPOSITE of distraught, the OPPOSITE of being helpful.

Casey either killed Caylee to get revenge on her mother or she died accidentally after being left in the car sometime after the 16th. I initially thought that Casey would have had more remorse had Caylee died accidentally, but I now believe that given her grandiosity and narcissism, there is no way in hell she would ever confess to a mistake that she thinks someone of her perfection could possibly make.

The question is, where is Caylee now?

[Class-z]

Casey either killed Caylee to get revenge on her mother or she died accidentally after being left in the car sometime after the 16th. I initially thought that Casey would have had more remorse had Caylee died accidentally, but I now believe that given her grandiosity and narcissism, there is no way in hell she would ever confess to a mistake that she thinks someone of her perfection could possibly make.

The question is, where is Caylee now?

I agree, where is Caylee now. This is one thing about Casey that plays over and over in mind on top of everything being about her. But her parenst also make it all about Caesy. Weird relationship there.

But Casey said in the first released tapes. "all they care about is Caylee" I'm guessing that Casey always felt that all her parents cared about was Caylee. You know how we make over little ones, but Casey has something wrong with her.

Did you notice in the tape with her mother, how non emtion her mother even sounded? "Are you blaming me for being there Casey?" Well, Sweetheart, If it weren't for your lies, you wouldnt' be there.

This whole family is strange

If Casey were my child, I'd be at that jail giving her the third degree myself and I could not be as calm as this mother. The family knows that Casey has told lie after lie. Oh, and I would not be trying to raise one penny to get her bailed out. Even if it weren't for Caylee. This kid charged up what did they say? Something like 45,000.00 dollars on her Mom's stolen credit card. Hello! She'd be doing time.

[SouthernMom]

I agree with the posters who think it may have been some kind of accident due to child neglect. She transported the body in the car to a location withing a 10 mile radius of her home. She then abandoned the car at the check cashing store either because of the smell or because it somehow reminded her of what happened. I think that Casey was VERY afraid to let her parents know that she had allowed something to happen to Caylee. She was probably afraid of LE as well. She fabricated a story about what happened and tried to avoid her parents as long as she could.
Finally, her mother caught up with her and threatened to charge her with the theft of the car and the credit cards if she didn't bring Caylee back home. This was the only way that Cindy and George (Casey's parents) could force her to bring the child back because they had no legal rights even though they had been providing for the child for most of her life. This is why there were two or three calls to LE at first.
I think her parents were NOT involved in whatever happened and are only trying to navigate whatever level of hell it is that their lives have just transformed into.
I think she may be blocking the memories of whatever happened.

Although I truly wish that I am wrong and that Caylee is found safe and happy with the babysitter.

peace,

[MomofBoys]

I'm new here, so please excuse any faux pas. :)

I want to believe the death was accidental, but the thing I can't reconcile is the Cindy/Casey dichotomy BEFORE all of this. Is it just a crazy coincidence that their relationship seemed to be so frayed, presumably because of Caylee in some way? I think Casey was jealous of the Cindy/Caylee relationship in some way, either because Casey craved that attention from her mother, or she felt like she was losing Caylee to her mother. And like a selfish child, she felt she had to take Caylee away. "Mine!" or whatever.

So perhaps Casey is just a horrifically negligent caregiver and couldn't make it a month in terms of keeping her daughter alive (locked in car, drowned, whatever) or she wanted the best of both worlds. No daughter AND freedom. I think an intentional death would fall into the latter, because it would reclaim her mother for HER, and not for her, basically, "new" daughter.

There are two items of evidence that worry me the most:

The gas cans. Where are THEY? As much as I'd like to believe she stole them to take a road trip, it'd make some kind of sense that she'd try to burn the body. Wouldn't the gas cans still be at the trunk or in the garage? You only need to bring them with you when you are going to need them, right? This girl thought nothing of stealing credit cards and checks and cars--wouldn't she just leave the empty gas cans behind? It's not like 12 gallons of gas wouldn't fit in the tank. I might be missing some crucial detail there.

The "Bella Vida" tattoo. I haven't seen this mentioned much anywhere, but Casey got a "Bella Vida" or "Beautiful Life" tattoo in mid-late June and told people it was for Caylee. I'm not a psychologist, but it put me in mind of the Diane Downs case when she bought the Unicorn statue in memory of her dead children, and that was the day before she killed them, if I recall correctly. A chill went down my spine when I read about the tattoo, because I immediately thought "memorial."

Nannies are expensive. How was she paying her? Is there one record of a check? I find it hard to believe that Casey would take her daughter to reconnect and then spend all her stolen or illegally gathered money not on fun, but to ship her daughter off to a nanny. Kind of counter-intuitive, you know? That's a rhetorical question because I know it's been asked a lot, but I can't get past it in my head.

Anyway, great site. Right up my alley, LOL.

[Beyond Belief]

today: I am thinking the child was drugged so she would sleep, mother put in trunk while she was in club. child died. maybe the night of the 20th.

[Medea]

I believe that Casey is a sociopath. She shows no emotion about missing Caylee. I also believe that Cindy blames herself for Caylee's death because she knew that Casey wasn't capable of taking care of Caylee by herself. The reason Casey had Caylee was a power struggle that has been going on since Caylee was born.

Caylee was the loveable girl that Casey never was. Caylee got all of the adoring attention and Casey was angry. Also, Casey used Caylee as a pawn against Cindy to get Cindy to do whatever Casey wanted. Poor Caylee was in between these two females and is now dead. Casey killed her.. I don't know how.. but as any sociopath, Casey is not concerned.

Cindy won't accept the obvious because that would mean accepting that her daughter is a killer, accepting that Caylee is never coming back alive, and accepting her own guilt that she let Caylee go with Casey. Cindy and the other family members know that Caylee is dead, but are doing the dance that they have for years, to pretend that they support Casey so hopefully Casey will tell the truth.


I totally agree with all of this. Great insight into the ramifications of having a sociopath in the family.

[CarrieSis]

I have a new theory... yes, it is off-the-wall.

Is Casey doing all of this just to hurt her parents? If Cindy was going to bring custody issues and attempt to take Caylee away from her due to her lifestyle/parenting, maybe this is Casey's way of just hurting Cindy as much as she possibly can. "You want to take her away from me? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW THAT FEELS, MOM?!"

Could be the result of foul play, could be that Casey just handed off Caylee to someone she trusted to hide her for awhile.

Maybe it was all made up on the spot because Cindy brought things to a head that night "do you want to play it like that"?

ETA: still does not account for the dog "hits". Big hole in theory :/

[Hailiejade77]

I think that Casey "set this up" so she could meet up with Caylee out of the US. She was taking the only thing that was HERS outright away from Cindy. She was sick of Cindy's rules and of Cindy "not letting her be Caylee's mother" and she decided that she would do the only thing that she could do that would hurt her mother. Take Caylee away from her.
She "gave" Caylee to a someone, who then took Caylee out of the country. Zenaida either went with the person or was there already. She is an illegal and that's why NO ONE can find her through papertrails.
Casey was suppose to meet up with her but Cindy found her before she could. Hence the reason she NEVER reported it to LE, Hence the reason why Jesse heard Caylee on June 24th. This would explain why she isn't worried about Caylee. She knows EXACTLY where she is and in her mind (i am not saying she still isn't crazy) she is doing what she needs to do for HERSELF. Caylee was never suppose to be reported to the LE. The person that took Caylee could have boughten a fake birth certificate, therefore that person could sign consent to have the child fly with them or to throw off LE. Caylee could have been dressed as a boy or hair dyed or any number of things that could disguise her. It is very easy to buy "authentic" documents over the internet. This is PURELY SPECULATION.

JMO and it is subject to change,.. since it has SOOOO many times!

[coltsgal]

Ok, I dont think this is what really happened, but do you think it's possible that Casey is making the entire thing up? We all know she LOVES attention. Do you think she "staged" Caylee's kidnapping to get attention?

I know that doesn't account for the smell in the car, but, oh, I dont know.

Just a suggestion.

[Nedthan Johns]

My updated theory:

Casey is a sociopath and has Borderline Personality Disorder. The family has known for years that Casey is mentally ill and incapable of taking care of herself. Tensions between Cindy and Casey escalated and Casey was thrown out of the house or left on her own accord. There was no "vacation" as Cindy alludes to. Casey stayed with various friends including the boyfriend. Caylee was left in the trunk for some time decomposing. I believe at one time Casey may have buried or tried to bury her in the parent’s backyard but moved her. Both dogs targeted the backyard. The neighbor saw Casey BACK the car up to the garage, very suspicious, especially since she was no longer living there. The parent's shed was broken into and gas cans stolen. Casey borrowed a shovel. HELLO? All during the time her daughter was supposedly kidnapped and Casey was searching for Zenida in bars. Casey may have had something to do with the robbery of 'A' Zenida Gonzales or knew who did or picked this name from the story ran in the papers and internet afterwards. I would be curious if this SAME Zenida was the one that inquired about the apartment rental.

My prediction is that within 2 weeks, the evidence against Casey will be processed and she will be charged with murder. They may choose to conduct a search for the body at that time, but I have a feeling Casey will fess up and state it was an accident. So there you have it. Plain and simple. Just another mentally disturbed human being in a dysfunctional family that may have acted in a rage against her mother or simply was not mentally equipped with raising a child on her own and may even have left her or locked her in that trunk of the car while she went out to party or killed her daugher and hid her ther for some time afterwards. There are NO kidnappers; NO drug deals gone bad, NO mafia, etc. Just a troubled young woman who has already exerted signs of mental illness and a family (no mother) who is in deep denial. I believe the father as stated knew his daughter has something to do with this crime.

[Medea]

My updated theory:

Casey is a sociopath and has Borderline Personality Disorder. The family has known for years that Casey is mentally ill and incapable of taking care of herself. Tensions between Cindy and Casey escalated and Casey was thrown out of the house or left on her own accord. There was no "vacation" as Cindy alludes to. Casey stayed with various friends including the boyfriend. Caylee was left in the trunk for some time decomposing. I believe at one time Casey may have buried or tried to bury her in the parent’s backyard but moved her. Both dogs targeted the backyard. The neighbor saw Casey BACK the car up to the garage, very suspicious, especially since she was no longer living there. The parent's shed was broken into and gas cans stolen. Casey borrowed a shovel. HELLO? All during the time her daughter was supposedly kidnapped and Casey was searching for Zenida in bars. Casey may have had something to do with the robbery of 'A' Zenida Gonzales or knew who did or picked this name from the story ran in the papers and internet afterwards. I would be curious if this SAME Zenida was the one that inquired about the apartment rental.

My prediction is that within 2 weeks, the evidence against Casey will be processed and she will be charged with murder. They may choose to conduct a search for the body at that time, but I have a feeling Casey will fess up and state it was an accident. So there you have it. Plain and simple. Just another mentally disturbed human being in a dysfunctional family that may have acted in a rage against her mother or simply was not mentally equipped with raising a child on her own and may even have left her or locked her in that trunk of the car while she went out to party or killed her daugher and hid her ther for some time afterwards. There are NO kidnappers; NO drug deals gone bad, NO mafia, etc. Just a troubled young woman who has already exerted signs of mental illness and a family (no mother) who is in deep denial. I believe the father as stated knew his daughter has something to do with this crime.

That's an interesting take on the 'vacation' I would normally not agree w/that much speculation but given the way the family has continued to basically lie for Casey...it does make some sense.

I'm not so sure she will confess, though. It may depend on the psych evaluation, if her lawyers think there is any chance of getting her put in a psych ward via a plea agreement or trial, then she might confess. Otherwise, I suspect she will ultimately land on one theory and one kidnapper ande stick with it.

I have a kind of bad feeling that wherever she put the child, the body may not be recoverable and she knows this. I'm thinking it went burried in the back yard first, then dug up and put in the trunk and possibly...really speculating now...taken somewhere and burned w/the gas.

I'd give it 4 weeks for a murder indictment:)

[Dr. Pennypacker]

Mother killed child in order to be free of that responsibility.
Grandmother either coving for daughter or in denial/clueless.

[coltsgal]

Do you think they would take the death penalty off the table for the whereabouts of Caylee?

I would settle for life with no parole for Casey, if it meant finding Caylee.

[my2cents]

I have a new theory... yes, it is off-the-wall.

Is Casey doing all of this just to hurt her parents? If Cindy was going to bring custody issues and attempt to take Caylee away from her due to her lifestyle/parenting, maybe this is Casey's way of just hurting Cindy as much as she possibly can. "You want to take her away from me? NOW DO YOU SEE HOW THAT FEELS, MOM?!"

Could be the result of foul play, could be that Casey just handed off Caylee to someone she trusted to hide her for awhile.

Maybe it was all made up on the spot because Cindy brought things to a head that night "do you want to play it like that"?

ETA: still does not account for the dog "hits". Big hole in theory :/

Carriesis, I think this is plausible and I can help you fill in the holes. There are two theories here, so I am skipping around a bit when I get to the disappearance of the child. Sorry!

They had parties at her house on a regular basis. The parents were on 'vacation' for a couple of weeks. I do not think that she was allowed access to the house at that time, or that she was not supposed to be there. She seems to be a big partier, so I am willing to bet drugs were involved.

Someone may have died at her house. She may have panicked (or just wanted the drama, which she seems to THRIVE on). She may have tried to bury the friend in the yard because they would not have wanted to report it and get in more trouble. Her boyfriend may have been selling club drugs (most club employees do that) and she did not want him to go down for it or for him supplying the drugs to this person (club drugs like x are an automatic felony and carry a good bit of time). She could have run off because, if this was someone she didn't know (or know well enough for LE to pinpoint her to the crime) she probably could have just disappeared and it looked like she moved off with her child.

They may have gone back later and taken the body (in her trunk) to another location. I think they probably all panicked and were on some sort of drug and weren't thinking clearly, and probably thought that burying the body would be a good idea at the time. They probably realized that it was really stupid when they sobered up though. That would be why the dogs hit in the yard and trunk.

She probably gave the child to someone to care for her while she was disposing of the body. She doesn't seem like the best mom in the world to me, so she may have just handed the child off to anyone that a friend could line up for her. Now she may be using the 'kidnapping' as leverage (remember she is a master manipulator). This would be why she is refusing to talk to police. Maybe in her mind, they will agree not to prosecute her for disposing of a body if she holds out and they really want to know where Caylee is.

Or, she could have given the child away to someone because she already knew she was in trouble and she had every intention of disappearing and meeting them somewhere else at a later time. They wouldn't be able to locate her. Her mom might flip out and go crazy, but it would look like she just left because of all the family drama that seems to go on in that house.

I had a friend like this in High School that was off-the-wall insane. She would lie and make a big deal of everything and we would all find out later that she made up a huge, far-fetched story just to be doing it. I am trying to look at every angle here, although, I really don't think the child is alive, but there is no proof that the decomposition is Caylee, even though the evidence is pretty coincidental.

MY OPINION ONLY. SPECULATION ONLY. Feel free to poke holes in it. :)

[Texana]

My2cents, you are certainly thinking outside of the box and trying to figure this out! I think your thought about Casey using her parents' home for parties with drugs is probably very true.

However, the odds of another decomposing body left in the car/yard--with Caylee missing--I think are slim. If Casey had anyone willing to take on Caylee, they would probably be just as flaky, impaired, and morally lacking as Casey in terms of common sense and truth. They would have long ago given up Caylee from the sheer trouble of caring for a young child, or for the "E!" publicity and fame it would bring them.

Sadly, I think that Caylee suffered an accidental death from neglect, but Casey's lack of emotion indicates she doesn't really feel it's her fault. Nothing ever is for this kind of person. She's just looking to save her own self--and Cindy enables, as she probably always has.

[Marina2]

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I came here from another site where there was so much insulting and arguing back and forth that nothing was getting done. How refreshing to find this site where ppl are truly trying to solve this mystery.
Anyway, two thoughts that completely contradict each other but each is plausable IMO.
To answer the question I have always had...Why abandon the car?
Perhaps, after disposing of the child's body near the Amscot she may have had a feeling someone saw her do it. If so her next thought would be "What if they found Caylee and called the police with a description of the car." If she thought this she would want to immediately ditch the car for fear of being pulled over by LE and questioned. Probably thought that she would go back and get the car if this didn't happen but the car got towed first.
Another thought I posted last week before the 911 calls being released was that the body may have been in the car when the gps picked it up. But, after hearing the gm on the 911 call I didn't feel she knew anything. Her emotion was too real. At the same time gp was eerily silent and has been throughout so that led me to believe that he could have picked the car up without gm, found the body in the trunk and disposed of it. The dog hitting on the back yard as well as the car could have just been from him walking around back there after and transferring the chemicals of decomp.
That's only speculation and two of the hundreds of thoughts in my head about this bizarre situation.

[Beyond Belief]

Hi Marina,
Welcome to WS.
I don't think Mr Anthony had anything to do with any of this. jmo

[Marina2]

Hi Marina,
Welcome to WS.
I don't think Mr Anthony had anything to do with any of this. jmo

Thank you Beyond.
Well, I didn't think he did either at first but all that I've heard so far I guess I wouldn't be surprised at any outcome. I would never believe Casey could be so cold while her daughter is gone but she is.

[Nickelfoo]

There are so many possibilities in this sad, sad situation. I have thought alot about the drug dealer connection. Maybe Casey owes her dealer alot of money (if she does drugs?) He took baby Caylee and is keeping her until he gets his money. Casey was in the bars because she was practicing the worlds oldest profession to earn the money to pay the dealer. She is too ashamed and cold-hearted to reach out to anyone for help? I know I am giving her way too much credit here, but darn it I just do not want to think she could hurt that baby.

In all reality I do not believe that beautiful baby is alive. I think Casey did it. I do believe she used Caylee to get back at her mother who was getting fed up with her BS. I don't think she killed her to get back at her mother, I think it was either an accident (left in car, medicated, Casey hung-over/drugged up and forgot to watch her etc...) Which makes me wonder if Casey in fact was a casusal drug user, or an addict of some sort? If a person is a recreational user I would think she would always be with someone if she was actually partaking, which would make me wonder if someone else knows what happened. But if she is a hardcore user and did it while alone with Caylee then she could have taken something and passed out and something happened to Caylee.

She may have intentionally done this so she could have her freedom. I do not know the timeline for sure here, but wasnt she partying like it was 1999 while Amy was away? If my thinking is correct then she probably didnt think she had anything left at that point so she was making the most of it until it all caught up with her and she used Amy's money to do it.

Anyway, sorry if I rambled. I have just been reading so much and the thoughts just keep coming.

[Straitfan]

I have a hard time with the "drug dealer" possibility because one would think such a person is certainly not going to want to bother with a 2 yr old unless they passed the child to a family member or something to deal with. Unfortunately with the lies, abandoning the car, smell in car, noone else seeing the child, etc, I tend to believe the child is no longer alive. If she was and someone was truly holding the child, Casey could go ahead and provide info, the FBI and SWAT team could most likely get the child.

The call w/ her brother today AGAIN, he sounds exhausted, etc, she sounds all PERKY doesn't even ask about leads, etc. This case is beyond UNBELIEVEABLE to me, I pray she stays right were she is until she talks..... This is her own fault, all just so terribly upsetting that a mom could put herself before a child :( If Caylee is gone, I don't feel it was intentional but she is not going anywhere, so she just needs to give the info NOW!

God Bless sweet lil Caylee, prayers that somehow she is still alive and found very soon

[not_my_kids]

I think that Casey may have been high or drunk at the time that she dropped her daughter off and that she did not leave her with the Zenaida Hernendaz Gonzales at the Sawgrass Apartments but the Zenaida Gonzalez that lives less than 9 miles away in Orlando. Just a possibility...or she brutally murdered her own child.
BTW why is it so stinking impossible to get thruogh to the tiplines in this case?

[Muzikman]

Hello all, been reading the forum for the last few days and decided to join up. I live in Orlando, where of course it is the top story of every newscast here, and I have become enthralled with the case. Can't get enough of it! I live near several of the involved locations (Amy/Ricardo condo, old folks home area she took the cops to) and could easily do a little investigation work around them if needed.

I also posted this in the Possible Diagnosis thread, but I thought it also applies in the Theories thread here also.

My current opinion is that Casey hid her with someone to keep her from Cindy, possibly as punishment for how Casey was being treated by Cindy (that per Cindy's Myspace blog on July 3, which I'm really surprised none of the news outlets have hit on). I don't think she ever expected it to blow up into the huge national deal it has become, but now that it has she is going to try to take advantage of the situation in order to become a *Celebrity* (In her warped mind at least).

What could now happen is whoever has Caylee may get tired and/or scared becaue of all the press attention and all of a sudden Caylee will be found wandering around a mall or something by herself, and the "Kidnapper" will never be found, resulting in possible vindication of Casey ("See, I wasn't lying!"). Casey will then do her best to turn this into a situation where she becomes a *Celebrity* and tries to make money out of the situation somehow.

She didn't plan the whole thing out this way, but will take advantage of how it has turned out any way that she can.

This would also explain why she is so emotionless so far - she really DOES know where Caylee is, but she wants to milk it as far as she can.

Of course, there is the decomposition dog hits to contend with, but I am hoping that turns out to be something else and Caylee is OK.
We will know soon, one of the news shows here had a forensic detective from Brevard County Sherrif's Office (on the coast, Melbourne) and he said it should take at most 10 business days, plus another 24 hours for another verification of DNA testing. That would put the results coming back on Monday.

Anyway, great forum and I look forward to being able to contribute in some small way!
Muzikman

[txsvicki]

My Theory- Casey has always lied to get out of any trouble that she is in and creates a smoke screen of drama to divert attention off what she has done.

The implied ongoing money stealing and being given many chances to change by her mother makes me think there was a plan being played out that took effect on June 16th.

I believe the new boyfriend and wanting to be with him as much as possible before he left on a trip had something to do with her plan and he was unaware thinking Caylee was with a nanny. Perhaps he didn't want children or wasn't really very interested in Casey in the first place. Casey was also being told by her mother that it might be time to move with her child into her own place, have a job, be responsible. Having a child means working hours that don't go along with partying and men much less having money left over after paying child care.

Several different clues and scenarios were set up by Casey to try and place blame on a fictional kidnapper/group who is a threat to the whole family. The stealing a large amount of money, the abandoned car, the lies, etc. are a plan to try and blame a theft and disappearance of a child on someone else. Casey must have thought she was smart enough to pull this off.

[icherish]

I share the feeling of most that dear sweet Caylee is no longer with us (though I hold out hope that we are wrong!) I have a strong feeling this child was the victim of her mother's neglect. Whether Caylee was left in a hot car while her mom was passed out from partying, or whether she got into the swimming pool and drowned while in her mother's care, I do not know, but... I do feel somehow that her demise was unintentional.

If indeed this is the case, it would seem Casey covered the truth and disposed of her child's body simply because she doesn't find fault in her actions...no matter how catastrophic the results. After all, it was an "accident", and in her mind she shouldn't have to face the music. Saving herself from persecution at all costs. Classic sociopathic behavior.

And by listening to those phone call recordings, Casey seems to have sociopathic traits. Does a whole lot of talking and says a bunch of nothing. She's arrogant and incredibly self-involved. One thing that really floored me was when her friend broke down crying on the tape over Caylee. Casey cruely shut her down, telling her that calling and talking to her was a "huge mistake", and again demanded the phone number for the umpteenth time. You'd never know the topic was her missing baby. That alone tells you there are sociopathic tendencies with her. I suppose people like that are most uncomfortable dealing with other people's feelings and emotions.

Anyhoo, I'm rambling now, but that is my theory on the situation. And with all that said, I sincerely hope for that miracle...that we will get to see Caylee alive and well soon.

[nursebeeme]

My theory (sorry if too long).

To preface my theory I want to start with the fusian dj statement from fox news (bold is mine):

"The co counsel said that she had been working at Fusian on and off for a few months. That's not true. Listen man, I'm Tony's best friend. She wasn't a promo girl. The only reason she was there was because she came with Tony.

Her and Tony didn't meet until May 24th at a party we threw for one of our friends. She didn't start going to Fusian until after that. I was staying at Tony's apartment from the end of May until the end of June while I waited to move into my new place. So I was there when he started dating Casey. The last two weeks of June when Casey was at the apartment Caylee wasn't with her.

She kept telling us she was with the Nanny or her parents acting like nothing was wrong. I talked to investigators as soon as the story broke."
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...ord/index.html (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...ord/index.html)

Casey met Toney May 24th at a party. He was everything she wanted; smart, handsome, the center of the party at club fusian, had a job, his own place, had no kids and lived the fast paced glamorous life. Casey wanted this lifestyle more than anything. His best friend was staying at Tony's place until he got his new one. Casey and Toney started to date. In early June there was a barbeque at the pool at Tony's place. Caylee came and she played in the pool with her little plastic dishes. Another resident noticed her and heard her playing and saying, "look at me look at me."

For the next three weeks...from May 24th when she met Tony....until June 16th when she left her mother's home, Casey was spending a lot of time with Tony...at parties, at the club, at beer pong events. The fusian crowd was not cheap to hang out with. She needed more money for club clothes, shoes, drinks, etc...so she charged up her mother's credit card. When the statement came in the mail her mother was livid and took the card back from her. Used to being supported by her mother for everything...including health care, groceries, rent, etc, and sans job, Casey started to seed a deep anger and a desire to get the hell out of this life under the thumb of her mother. The tension built and built and her funds were cut off. She complained to her friends about her controlling mother and talked with Amy about moving out of the house and in with her when she got her new place.

On the 15th, Father's day, there was another confrontation over something that happened on friday or saturday night preceding it... perhaps she was out until two am or didn't come home at all from partying. Her mother brought her out on it yet again and angrily leaves taking Caylee with her to see great grandpa in the nursing home. While grandma is gone, Casey gets more and more angry and more determined to move out and get rid of Caylee so she can live the fun single life with Tony.

That night Casey puts Caylee to bed knowing the next day she was going to leave. She smothers Caylee. She burries Caylee in the backyard wrapped in a piece of clothing as grandma would notice any blankets missing. She locks the door to her bedroom so no one can come in...to find Caylee not there.

The next morning, Casey has some clothes thrown in a bag. She slips up and forgets the small detail of packing Caylee's favorite stuffed animal. She waits until Grandma and Grandpa have left for the day. She puts her stuff in the car and she leaves. She might have taken another credit card or some of those handy credit card checks. She drives to Tony's.

From June 16 until June 27th... (11 days) She drives her the car her parents gave her to use. She called an ex boyfriend about his resignation from the police department. She tries to cover all the bases by concocting lies that answer to why Caylee is not with her and what jobs she has including an event planner for universal studios. She convinces Tony of this so much he thinks she is working from home at his place on his computer. She tells everyone that Caylee is with the nanny or caylee is with her parents. She drives on happy, sweet, bubbly, and on top of the world like nothing is wrong. She makes extra sure to not get her mother's mind worrying so she takes extra care to text and call her every day always at a time like bedtime...so she can explain away why Caylee cannot talk on the phone. She takes care of a possibly worried uncle Lee by myspacing him a lot and meeting up for drinks on June 20th at fusian. Lee meets Tony and really likes him. Lee puts Tony's phone number into his cell. Lee tells Casey how her mother is not pleased with her staying away and to plese come home. Casey gets angry. On 24 June, after everyone is out of the house, Casey goes to the home, and cuts the lock off the shed and steals the gas cans (something she has been accused of doing in the past) for a little angry retribution for being locked out of the shed and not being trusted yet again.

Sometime between June 16 and June 19 (thursday) Casey drives to her home in her 98 pontiac sunfire. She is coming to move the body and get rid of it. She backs into her driveway, in a fashion not normally known of her to park and noticed by an observant neighbor. She goes back to the shed to retreive a shovel to find a new lock on it. She cannot get in! She sees her neighbor out doing yard work and asks to borrow a shovel, saying she has to dig bamboo to protect her daughters feet in her play area. The neighbor says, "sure" and tells her that he/she is going in soon to shower..so to just leave the shovel in their yard when she is done. the minute the neighbor goes in, Casey moves the playhouse, digs out the body wrapped in clothing, and lays the shovel in the sandbox while she carries the body to the trunk of her car. This takes 30 minutes or so. She then goes back, retrieves the shovel and props it in her neighbor's yard. She drives off. She disposes of the body and clothing in a dumpster about 20 mintes away..enough time for some fluids to seep from the clothing into the lining of her trunk. She brushes out all the dirt she can see but leaves a little behind. She drives back to Tony's .

In the short days following the removal of the body, Casey notices that her car really smells and she cannot get rid of the odor! She knows that her previous babysitter story will not fly if anyone smells the inside of her car. By the 27th she knows that the car has to be dealt with so she formulates the story that she went running on the Blanchard park trail, near the Amscott and calls Tony for a ride....telling him that her dad knows the car has broken down and he is in the process of taking care of repairs. That lie took care of the boyfriend but she also had to back~cover her earlier lie that Casey had been with a nanny. She thinks bingo! The nanny kidnapped and killed Casey, ditched her car and fled to NY, NJ, or NC. She leaves behind a dummy purse...to add depth to that lie. Little did Casey know...that businesses tow cars when they sit in parking lots not moving for days on end. Her car was towed on 30 June after amscott employs noted that it had been abandoned there.

On June 28th tony leaves to visit family for a week. Tony's best friend, the dj, moves into his new place. Casey spends her time between her friend Amy's place and Tony's place....communicating with Tony's sister on myspace on how much she misses him and that she has a "dorky" surprise for Tony when he returns on 5 July. A few of those nights she partied and spent the night with Amy. While Amy was enebriated, Casey stole 700 dollars from her friend. The next morning when the money was found missing, Casey makes light of it and says Amy had gotten up in the middle of the night and put it away for her upcoming vacation to Puerto Rico.

On 5 July casey throws a fourth of July party and wraps her otherwise naked body in an American flag. She cooks for everyone...the picture of domestic bliss and a new party life. She stays at Tony's until 8 July.

Now without a car, money or credit cards, Casey decides to take her friend amy up on her offer and stay at her place while she is in Puerto rico from 8-15 July. Amy is going to let her stay there and use her car as well. She has already blown thru the 700 dollars (including a brand new black jack phone purchased with her last couple hundred of Amy's money on 4 July) and looks all over Amy's place while she is there for money or checks. She finds some in the glove compartment and takes some. She writes a check to cash and guts out amy's bank acount of 1000 dollars. The towing company has processed the registered mail and send out a towing notice. The Anthonys note it taped to their door on the weekend of the `11th of July but do not pick up the letter and car until 15 July.



On 15 July Casey picks up Amy from the airport. On the drive home Amy confronts Casey with the 700 dollars Casey had told her she put away for her trip as she had saved it for that trip and when it wasn't there she was broke and plenty pissed. Amy accuses Casey of stealing it and in lieu of her past history with lying rips open the glove compartment to find her checkbook is missing checks as well. Amy is royally pissed and kicks Casey to the curb at Tony's.

A little later on 15 July Amy gets a call from Cindy Anthony asking if she knows where casey is, as she has just picked up the abandoned sunfire. Amy says she does....casey is at Tony's. cindy says she does not know where that is so she goes to pick up Amy. Amy takes her to Tony's and they pick her up. When they get in the car, Grandma asks, "where is Caylee" and why was the car abandoned..and why does it smell like a dead body?...and Casey gives a vague answer. Cindy starts to feel very nervous. Something just is not right. Grandma finds out about the money that Casey took from Amy and they begin to argue about that as well the credit card bills and theft. They drop amy off.

Grandma continues to drive around while trying to get to the bottom of where Casey is and just exactly where this babysitter lives. Casey is ellusive and not worried...saying she is with Zanny and that she is napping and not to wake her. Grandma becomes even more worried and starts listing the multiple thefts, and the neglect of the car and demands that Casey take her to the babysitter. Casey tells her mother, "whatever..do whatever you want".

So grandma heads to the nearest substation. It is closed. Becoming more frustrated she decides she has had quite enough of Casey's behavior and it is time for some tought love and she calls 911. She tells the operator that she has her daugher in the car and wants her arrested for grand theft auto and stealing money. Grandma also mentions that she has an afadavit from her banking acount. The operator tells her that according to her address and where the car was stolen from they will have to go thru orange county sherrif department. Cindy states she will call again from her home and drives Casey home.

Once at home, grandma finds Lee to be there. George had called him earlier stating that he was, "worried about your mother" and to come home as soon as possible. The car was not mentioned. Grandma fills everyone in on what has happened and places another 911 call.

When the 911 operator answers, Cindy calmly says that she is at home and has a person, her daugher, that she wants arrested for stealing a car and for stealing money and requests an officer be sent to her home. Cindy tells the operator that her daughter has been missing for a month and that she has her daughter but not her grandaughter and she wants a deputy out. The operator takes down all the specifics for the call and states an officer will be on the way.

An hour passes and still no cop. Another half hour. Cindy is pacing and becoming increasingly distraught. Lee is talking to Casey and Grandma goes out back for some fresh air. When she walks back in she hears Casey telling lee that Caylee has been missing for 31 days. Grandma becomes hysterical. George was in another room and did not hear this. Grandma picks up the phone to dial but Lee and Casey manage to talk her out of it for 45 minutes. Casey keeps saying she will take them to Caylee in the morning. After a bit of this a very distraught grandmother makes yet a third call to 911.

Cindy places the call, escalated in emotion beyond belief with her voice raising, and full of tears. She tells the 911 operator that she found her daughter's car, it smells of death, and that her grandchild has been missing for 30 days. George walks into the room to see what is wrong with his wife and she tells him (on 911 call 3), "Caylee is missing George! Caylee is missing! Zanny took her a month ago!" The operator takes down more specifics and Casey is put on the line as well. Her voice void of emotion. Succinct. Flat. Casey tells 911 that she had been conducting her own investigaton..which was, "stupid" of her. She tells 911 that she had received a call from Caylee at noon that same day..from a private number. Officer on the way... The rest is history in the making.

[Beyond Belief]

Nursebeeme,

"On 5 July casey throws a fourth of July party and wraps her otherwise naked body in an American flag."

Boy that jumped right out at me. I didn't know about that. Actions like that are screaming 'independence'.
I remember when I go my divorce that was my mindset come the fourth of July. Independence Day.

[websurfer]

my theory is this:
It was not Casey's car that was used to transport Caylee.
I think [I do not know what type of car Amy owns] but in light of the use of it by Casey i would imagine that it took a lot of gas and we all know how much gas has been lately.
Anyway, gas costs money, so i think casey liking Amy's hot car was pretending to be rich or better off than she was.
She was showing off with it and did not have Caylee[ belted in] but instead made her ly down in the back seat maybe ?
and when Caylee refused to stay down on the seat or floor casey put her hand over her mouth and nose and squeezed her to the point she passed out and later died?
Casey seems to be explosive...
i say Amy's car is the murder weapon of sorts....
either by heat or by the hand of her mother Casey....

[MomofBoys]

I do think drugs are involved in some way, but I have doubts that a drug deal, etc, has anything directly to do with her disappearance.

There's a guy on some local forums (in the Tampa area) that works at a convenience store that Casey frequented in Orlando. In June she'd come into the store, sometimes with Caylee and sometimes without. He said Casey's demeanor was absolutely odd and he immediately chalked her up to a "crack addict" because of her glossed-over expression and lack of social skills. He believed she was "not right" from the beginning.

Drug-addled brains can make a lot of connections. I think maybe Casey was bogged down by responsibility, or was finding it hard to connect to Tony or whoever because of her "baggage." Maybe she desperately wanted her lifestyle back, and yet at the same time she was resentful of her mother's relationship with Caylee. She felt like Cindy was trying to steal her daughter, and while she really didn't care from a caregiver standpoint (after all, it made life easier) it made her angry and jealous that something that was hers wasn't really hers in all the definitions of the word.

Maybe she really wanted to move in with Tony, but Caylee was a liability. After all, he is young and probably didn't want a child around--lots of friends and parties, etc. Tony was probably just being logical and responsible, but that didn't compute with Casey. She was being denied something because of Caylee and Caylee had to go.

She couldn't kill her in a violent way--after all, she's a little girl and still her mother, and I want to believe NO ONE can look at their child and commit violence, even if I know that's crap. So she killed her in the way that mothers in these stories usually do. Suffocation, drowining, poison, whatever "passive" way made it easier for Casey to get rid of her child.

She buried Caylee in the backyard and then freaked out. Her parents were planning lots of yardwork (hence the pavers) and she realized Caylee couldn't stay there. Finding the shed locked after the gas can theft (or the keys missing because her parents knew she was a gas thief), she ran over to the neighbors and borrowed the shovel. Dug her up, backed up to the garage, and deposited her in the trunk.

She planned on a long road trip to get Caylee as far away as possible, but the smell was overpowering. The smell and knowledge of what that smell was became overpowering for Casey and instead of driving to the Everglades or to Little Lake Bryan or wherever, she found the closest park she could and threw her down a culvert or into a pond. Pond makes sense because Florida is pretty much flat and you can't count on many natural obstructions to cover something like that up. Alligators don't eat the dead, so her bones would still be there.

Casey can't fathom driving back and she knows the stench is terrible. So she ditches the car at the closest parking lot and hopes it'll air out before it's found. Otherwise, why not just drive back and pretend like nothing ever happened? Or just call, alligator tears and all, the police and report her daughter missing? Because she knew that they'd check stuff like that out. Her only hope was to keep existing and then throw this "private investigation" hat into the ring.

Very long story short, I think her "private investigation" is the biggest clue Caylee is dead. As a mother, I can't imagine keeping this quiet from the police, my mom, whoever. I would NEVER be arrogant enough to pretend that I could find my son on my own after a MONTH. If I believed my sons were in nefarious hands, I couldn't live with the possiblity of what could already be being done to them.

There was a protein sample, dirt, and Caylee's hair in the trunk. So, that would be blood, semen, or what? What else flouresces?

I think LE's silence on the issue and the lack of search has to be the biggest indicator that they have some sort of conclusive evidence. Otherwise, they'd be risking a huge PR disaster and the life of a little girl. I pray that she's alive, but every time I think about a "Caylee is alive!" theory, I go back to the dog hits, that smell, and the protein sample in the trunk.

[sneezy]

For what it's worth...

I think there are a couple of things going on...

I think while Casey loved Caylee very much, Caylee was a "burden" on Casey...at least in Casey's selfcentered way of looking at things. I would think that in the months prior Casey was leaving Caylee with Gma a lot.

Maybe there came a day when Gma wasn't home, Casey was either high/drunk or coming out of it. Caylee was being a bit mouthy as 2