Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #9

[christine2448]

Please continue GENERAL discussions here. Look around Nancy has her own forum (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=165), there are several threads started on specific topics to try and stay organized.


Links to previous and similar threads can be found toward the bottom of the page.


Newbies.....

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I am sad such a tragedy is bringing us all together.

I advise everyone to read the RULES of WS, Long (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66869)and Short Version (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66872).

[macd]

So why no updates on this case of late?
Cary PD said there would be no more updates until after the arrest.
Per another thread on this board, the next time the Wake County grand jury meets is Monday, July 28. I would expect the police to get an indictment in the morning, make the arrest by noon, and press conference in the afternoon.

[stillblv]

Topsail posted: "Oh I agree with you and I see your point. I was just stating that to me it seemed odd. I have been separated and if my ex had my daughter I still talked to him. I know it isn't the same and you obviously have more of an experience with living together while divorcing. I think Jessica went straight to that conclusion becuase she knows more than she was telling the police possibly. She felt in her heart of hearts that something was very very wrong. Just as I did my co-worker was missing."

We said the same thing at the same time.

[Topsail Girl]

LOL Stillblv - I noticed that too. You know what they say about great minds LOL

[Mimi]

Here are some photos of the memorial service that I have not seen before...I posted it on the photo thread as well.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/photos/story/1147442.html

[Just the Fax]

Cary PD said there would be no more updates until after the arrest.
Per another thread on this board, the next time the Wake County grand jury meets is Monday, July 28. I would expect the police to get an indictment in the morning, make the arrest by noon, and press conference in the afternoon.

After the case is presented (usually takes only 5-10 minutes) there is a lot of paperwork....An arrest warrant has to be drawn up and signed by a judge. I predict an arrest in the late afternoon or early evening.

Also, look for Mr Blum to arrange a low profile 'surrender'......

[d99gr81]

I don't agree with the thought that dumping the body where it was found was done so because they would never find it. They were bound to find it there since they are building new homes there.

[christine2448]

I don't agree with the thought that dumping the body where it was found was done so because they would never find it. They were bound to find it there since they are building new homes there.

Yep. She was left in hurry, IMO.

[Topsail Girl]

I don't agree with the thought that dumping the body where it was found was done so because they would never find it. They were bound to find it there since they are building new homes there.


Ahh good point but from the way it looked in the photos - building would be a long time coming. Even though she would be found eventually, Brad was thinking the heat would be off him by then and the police would chalk it up to unsolved or an abduction by someone else. Again this is just a theory - just an opinion.

Do we know yet what she was wearing when found? I sure wish I knew. All I've read was "very little clothing".

[Just the Fax]

Ahh good point but from the way it looked in the photos - building would be a long time coming. Even though she would be found eventually, Brad was thinking the heat would be off him by then and the police would chalk it up to unsolved or an abduction by someone else. Again this is just a theory - just an opinion.

Do we know yet what she was wearing when found? I sure wish I knew. All I've read was "very little clothing".

No doubt he dressed her corpse in her running gear....what a chilling thought

[d99gr81]

Cary PD said there would be no more updates until after the arrest.
Per another thread on this board, the next time the Wake County grand jury meets is Monday, July 28. I would expect the police to get an indictment in the morning, make the arrest by noon, and press conference in the afternoon.

See I don't agree with this either. I don't see why they would have to wait for this date to make an arrest if they have enough to arrest him now. Doesn't make sense to me. That is saying you know he did it but will not do anything until that date...gives him a chance to run or what ever. They can hold him with out bail if they have evidence so I don't see why the would ever wait to pull a murderer off the street.

[Topsail Girl]

d99gr81,

I think most likely they aren't concerned with pulling Brad off the street because the only person he wanted dead is dead.

I believe they are waiting to make sure they have everything they need to go before the GJ and get a solid indictment and know that they have a solid case. Police in Wake County work very closely with out DA - and he's a damned fine DA. So they trust him very much. If he says wait you can bet the Cary Police are going to wait. I would bet a million bucks that the police know his every move though.

[Topsail Girl]

No doubt he dressed her corpse in her running gear....what a chilling thought

Very chilling.....

[carolinalady]

See I don't agree with this either. I don't see why they would have to wait for this date to make an arrest if they have enough to arrest him now. Doesn't make sense to me. That is saying you know he did it but will not do anything until that date...gives him a chance to run or what ever. They can hold him with out bail if they have evidence so I don't see why the would ever wait to pull a murderer off the street.

I agree w/ this. We see arrests prior to Grand Jury indictments all of the time.

[raisincharlie]

See I don't agree with this either. I don't see why they would have to wait for this date to make an arrest if they have enough to arrest him now. Doesn't make sense to me. That is saying you know he did it but will not do anything until that date...gives him a chance to run or what ever. They can hold him with out bail if they have evidence so I don't see why the would ever wait to pull a murderer off the street.

I would imagine if Brad is LE's suspect, they are watching him. For that matter they could have easily attached a GPS to those vehicles during execution of the search warrants. Knowing where he is is not a problem. Running will do him no good.

Once they arrest, this person is entittled to a speedy trial. If this person's lawyer goes to a judge and demands this option and the DA is not prepared, it is better for the suspect. At this point, LE has some evidence but all the forensics are not done and the autopsy report is not even done. No DA in their right mind is going to go for an arrest until as you say - they have the evidence necessary to prosecute and prosecute properly - they only get one chance.

Once a suspect is arrested - the DA is required to begin turning over evidence the minute this happens. IMO this is not going to happen. Without a confession or witnesses I would be extremely surprised to see an arrest in this case before two months because of the above mentioned items.

[carolinalady]

d99gr81,

I think most likely they aren't concerned with pulling Brad off the street because the only person he wanted dead is dead.

I believe they are waiting to make sure they have everything they need to go before the GJ and get a solid indictment and know that they have a solid case. Police in Wake County work very closely with out DA - and he's a damned fine DA. So they trust him very much. If he says wait you can bet the Cary Police are going to wait. I would bet a million bucks that the police know his every move though.

IMO, you'd think they'd want to pull him off the streets just to be sure that he wouldn't hurt anyone else. Would you want to be in the DA's shoes if he said wait and then BC did in fact hurt someone else? I don't know that they'd want to risk that if they do have enough evidence to arrest now. Remember the county snafus w/ the Eve Carson case.

[Magister]

Originally posted by TopsailGirl
think he took her to the isolated spot because he KNEW everyone was going to search her normal routes. He was HOPING she would never be found. He is chitting his pants right now that she was found so quickly - I'll bet anything that was not in his little plan. This is just my opinion of course. I just think he put her where he did in hopes she would never be located and animals/wildlife would do away with her.

I respectfully disagree.

I think he panicked and took her to the closest place that was within the general area of where she may have jogged, where he'd have easy access and where she wouldn't immediately be found. If he wanted her to never be found, there's the bottom down on Holly Springs Rd. where Swift Creek crosses, which though I haven't been there in a few years, it used to be kind of swampy from seasonal floods. And, there's countless other bottoms and/or virginal land all around the area (there's a road that used to be dirt and may still be, which goes between Sunset Lake and Ten-Ten near a Cary sewage plant; there's a dead end by the nighttime golf course, very near the Adams and within easy range; there's just lots and lots of nearby places where she might not have been found for years, if ever)

It sounds from the second 911 call and from what I've seen of the area that the body wasn't well-hidden. They're going to build houses in that area; I'm sure it's been surveyed, but I don't know that Brad would've known it. During construction, workers are prone to wander around a feature like a runoff pond, as they wait for supplies or inspections; Carpenters are going to need a place to urinate; Eventually, somebody is going to clean any trash that washes into the low spot during construction and most likely, when the area is finished, they're going to take out the silt fence. (Lochmere had silt fence during construction, but there's not any left, for sure.)

I think that he just got lucky that it wasn't until Monday evening, somebody went down that cul-de-sac and in fact, if any realtors had showed any of the lots during the course of Monday day, they probably would've lost a sale.

IMHO

[Topsail Girl]

IMO, you'd think they'd want to pull him off the streets just to be sure that he wouldn't hurt anyone else. Would you want to be in the DA's shoes if he said wait and then BC did in fact hurt someone else? I don't know that they'd want to risk that if they do have enough evidence to arrest now. Remember the county snafus w/ the Eve Carson case.

Absolutely understand your thoughts. Eve Carson's case is/was not handled by Wake County DA Colon Willoughby. That's a whole other county. As I said - in MY opinion the only prson BradCooper wanted dead IS dead. You can be sure his whereabouts are known 100% of the time.

[carolinalady]

Absolutely understand your thoughts. Eve Carson's case is/was not handled by Wake County DA Colon Willoughby. That's a whole other county. As I said - in MY opinion the only prson BradCooper wanted dead IS dead. You can be sure his whereabouts are known 100% of the time.


No, Eve Carson's case is not, but Atwater was in Wake Co. court 2 days before her murder and walked out of the court room.

ETA link to this info: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2573861/

[Topsail Girl]

Magister,

I don't know very much about Holly Springs Road or the Swift Creek area of Cary so I can't give an opinion about where would be a place to dump or not. You really do have me contemplating my thoughts, though. :waitasec: What you're saying makes sense. It is possible that Brad didn't know about the areas you mentioned too and just dumped her the first place he could. Who knows, maybe he was just driving around and said this looks like a good spot and dumped her. It would look very different at night and he may not have realized just how "open" the area was. Very very good points about the construction workers and things like that. As I said you're starting to sway me LOL

[Topsail Girl]

No, Eve Carson's case is not, but Atwater was in Wake Co. court 2 days before her murder and walked out of the court room.

ETA link to this info: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2573861/


You're right - he did indeed. What a huge mistake that was.

[Magister]

Absolutely understand your thoughts. Eve Carson's case is/was not handled by Wake County DA Colon Willoughby. That's a whole other county.

I'm not sure that I understand the references to Eve Carson, but that's a whole other story and maybe another thread. I'm just glad to hear that Colon Willoughby is still the DA.

He really cleaned the DA's office up, back when he first started and unless he's lost his touch in the past few years, he runs a very clean, efficient office that should be beyond reproach.

[Topsail Girl]

I'm not sure that I understand the references to Eve Carson, but that's a whole other story and maybe another thread. I'm just glad to hear that Colon Willoughby is still the DA.

He really cleaned the DA's office up, back when he first started and unless he's lost his touch in the past few years, he runs a very clean, efficient office that should be beyond reproach.

Yes he is still the DA and still very active in the Wake County community. He does still run an efficient office as far as I know.

[carolinalady]

I'm not sure that I understand the references to Eve Carson, but that's a whole other story and maybe another thread. I'm just glad to hear that Colon Willoughby is still the DA.

He really cleaned the DA's office up, back when he first started and unless he's lost his touch in the past few years, he runs a very clean, efficient office that should be beyond reproach.

I was pointing out that Wake County courts wouldn't want to have another blemish if BC did do something if he were out when they already had enough evidence to arrest (my reference to Eve Carson was to show the County received lots of bad press b/c of letting this guy (Atwater) go free that day).

[carolinalady]

And, I agree that Colon Willoughby does a great job.

[Magister]

I don't know very much about Holly Springs Road or the Swift Creek area of Cary so I can't give an opinion about where would be a place to dump or not.

The bottom to which I referred is only about a quarter mile or so, down the hill from Fielding Dr., but in a direction that Brad would probably never go. But, between his kid's preschool and the Adams, a route that he's probably taken, there's a driveway-like access to a television tower surrounded by woods; I assume that he probably takes Davis Dr. to RTP and there's still quite a bit of virginal land along those routes. I think he wanted to get her out of the trunk, ASAP and he might've known about that cul-de-sac (possibly from looking for a quiet, nearby place to talk with his girlfriend) and once he came up with the jogging scenario, it simply met his needs.

ETA: You'd think that if the murder had been planned, a techie like Brad would've used Google Earth to find places to scout, where he could quickly get in and out, while leaving the body where it'd not soon be found.

[hckychx1]

I think LE wants Cooper out there making mistakes. They release a little bit of information, i.e. the 911 tapes, people start talking and suspecting, Cooper starts questioning himself and his hastily conceived cover-up plan and makes moves to "fix" it. Look at Scott Peterson and his trips to the marina, all carefully observed by LE. Unlike Atwater in the Eve Carson case, Cooper is being very carefully watched. There's no way he's going to hurt anyone else now. Leave him out there and give him enough rope to hang himself.

[Topsail Girl]

The bottom to which I referred is only about a quarter mile or so, down the hill from Fielding Dr., but in a direction that Brad would probably never go. But, between his kid's preschool and the Adams, a route that he's probably taken, there's a driveway-like access to a television tower surrounded by woods; I assume that he probably takes Davis Dr. to RTP and there's still quite a bit of virginal land along that route. I think he wanted to get her out of the trunk, ASAP and he might've known about that cul-de-sac (possibly from looking for a quiet, nearby place to talk with his girlfriend) and once he came up with the jogging scenario, it simply met his needs.

ETA: You'd think that if the murder had been planned, a techie like Brad would've used Google Earth to find places to scout, where he could quickly get in and out, while leaving the body where it'd not soon be found.

Well I for one willbe very excited to learn what was siezed from the house and if anything was taken from Cisco. We might have some more answers after Mid August.

[Magister]

Well I for one willbe very excited to learn what was siezed from the house and if anything was taken from Cisco. We might have some more answers after Mid August.

I assume that the vacuum-looking thing was what he would've used to clean the car (in the garage). I mostly wonder whether he was bright enough to change the bag and if he was, since I'm sure Harris-Teeter and Walmart both lock their dumpsters, but what other unlocked dumpsters might be behind that plaza and did law enforcement search the contents, before this was classified as a homicide?

[d99gr81]

I was pointing out that Wake County courts wouldn't want to have another blemish if BC did do something if he were out when they already had enough evidence to arrest (my reference to Eve Carson was to show the County received lots of bad press b/c of letting this guy (Atwater) go free that day).

I agree as well. I have to believe that if they had evidence that he did this he would have been arrested. I don't think at this time they have anything to arrest him with yet and that is why they have not done so. It chills me to hear many on here speak with Brad's name as if they all ready know he did it. It's not that I don't think he did or didn't do it. It's that people with really no public hard evidence all ready have him as the killer. Most people who keep their mind open with even the slight doubt would say the killer did this or the killer did that. Many on here say Brad did this and Brad did that. There is a reason they haven't made an arrest and I believe A) they have no evidence yet, or B) the have something and its not pointing to the husband. I cant imagine they would have what people say or think they have on the husband and not arrest him. Again not saying it's not him I just don't think they have a positive link to him and the crime yet or they have something not pointing to him.

[wirehair]

All the dirt roads around Swift Creek and Holly Springs Roads have been paved. There is very little farm land left with little or no tractor paths to drive down to a pond etc. Even the road to the old land fill has new houses. He would have had to be a long time local or hunter to know of many of the out of the way places that would have benefitted him. The land on Holly Springs Road near there that has been timbered and looks very swampy has cables up across all entrances. The surrounding trees are so close you could not get an ATV between them from the road.

[Magister]

He would have had to be a long time local or hunter to know of many of the out of the way places that would have benefitted him.

...or he could've looked at the satellite view on Google Maps.

[excelguy]

Speculation about the passports......

Is it possible NC could have used her father's connections to obtain new passports?

BC withheld passports as a power play to keep her from leaving.
The passports were found in NCs car.
NCs father is retired senior government official
NC just returned from meeting with family in HH Island

Is it possible her father was able to obtain duplicate/new passports. If so, NC could now leave.

Maybe BC found out he had lost his power play.......

[raisincharlie]

Looks like a big fight is brewing :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3256442/

[Jess]

Nancy's father worked for the Alberta provincial government and I believe the girls would have had American passports. i.e. nothing he could have done. When both parents have custody of children both have to sign anyway.

[carolinalady]

Deleted duplicate info

[Topsail Girl]

For anyone interested WTVD will be carrying the Funeral/Memorial live at 3 Eastern.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index

I'll paste this in the media links thread as well.

[wirehair]

I just checked the google sat. view of the area. I compared the dumping site to the corner of Kildair Farm Rd. and Ten Ten Road. Those roads have been cut off of Fielding Road a long time. The Sat. map doesn't show any of the contruction that has cropped up where the Dairy Farm was over the last year. It looks like it was still in the grading phase.

[Topsail Girl]

Looks like a big fight is brewing :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3256442/

Reading this it sounds as if Brad's attorney really does believe Brad to be innocent and expects that there is some kind of supporting evidence of that in the autopsy report. is that what you're thinking RC, or am I just brain dead again?

[excelguy]

Nancy's father worked for the Alberta provincial government and I believe the girls would have had American passports. i.e. nothing he could have done. When both parents have custody of children both have to sign anyway.

Wasn't sure about the nationality of the passports. Both parents are Canadian/ Could very well be Canadian passports and Canadian strings pulled. It's a stretch, but I thought it worth pondering. IMO

[raisincharlie]

Reading this it sounds as if Brad's attorney really does believe Brad to be innocent and expects that there is some kind of supporting evidence of that in the autopsy report. is that what you're thinking RC, or am I just brain dead again?

MY personal opinion - it is all bluster. No way that autopsy report is even close to being finished to start with and I bet the lawyer is aware of that as well. By yanking chains to get it it gives the appearance he gives a darn, (but not enough to have called to report her missing or to bother to tell her parents she was missing).

Think about it - how could that autopsy possibly help other than to confirm possible COD ? Tox would not be back yet - LE has ruled it homicide which IMO indicates that COd was something ascertainable without chemical testing to include blood and body fluids.

MY opinion - its a dog and pony show.

[excelguy]

MY personal opinion - it is all bluster. No way that autopsy report is even close to being finished to start with and I bet the lawyer is aware of that as well. By yanking chains to get it it gives the appearance he gives a darn, (but not enough to have called to report her missing or to bother to tell her parents she was missing).

Think about it - how could that autopsy possibly help other than to confirm possible COD ? Tox would not be back yet - LE has ruled it homicide which IMO indicates that COd was something ascertainable without chemical testing to include blood and body fluids.

MY opinion - its a dog and pony show.

If he was involved in her death, he already KNOWS she wasn't coming home or being admitted to any hospital. Now there is so much he doesn't KNOW.

IMO BC wants to KNOW what the CPD KNOWs.

Perhaps he is squirming in his chair.

[Topsail Girl]

MY personal opinion - it is all bluster. No way that autopsy report is even close to being finished to start with and I bet the lawyer is aware of that as well. By yanking chains to get it it gives the appearance he gives a darn, (but not enough to have called to report her missing or to bother to tell her parents she was missing).

Think about it - how could that autopsy possibly help other than to confirm possible COD ? Tox would not be back yet - LE has ruled it homicide which IMO indicates that COd was something ascertainable without chemical testing to include blood and body fluids.

MY opinion - its a dog and pony show.

It has to be. I'm sitting here :waitasec: trying to figure out what in the world that autopsy report could posibly show that would clear Brad this soon. Or point to Brad for that matter.

[christine2448]

The Canadian Broadcasting Co. reported Wednesday that an urn and photos of Cooper will be placed at the front of the church during the service.


So they had her cremated..I guess that had to? How sad, I mean, if that wasn't by choice.

[fran]

The Canadian Broadcasting Co. reported Wednesday that an urn and photos of Cooper will be placed at the front of the church during the service.


So they had her cremated..I guess that had to? How sad, I mean, if that wasn't by choice.

:( A sad ending to a beautiful life. Or, should have been a beautiful life....:(

fran

[Topsail Girl]

The Canadian Broadcasting Co. reported Wednesday that an urn and photos of Cooper will be placed at the front of the church during the service.


So they had her cremated..I guess that had to? How sad, I mean, if that wasn't by choice.

Are you saying the family had to cremate her because of the damage done to her body (sorry to be so graphic). I wonder if they could not have had a closed casket ceremony if they didn't want to cremate her.

I can not for the life of me remember what Patti Porter did with Jessie for her funeral/memorial. Does anyone remember?

[carolinalady]

Oh my, have you read the motion to disqualify Alice Stubbs? http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/Motion_to_disqualify.pdf

Thoughts?

[Fuquaylj]

Are you saying the family had to cremate her because of the damage done to her body (sorry to be so graphic). I wonder if they could not have had a closed casket ceremony if they didn't want to cremate her.

I can not for the life of me remember what Patti Porter did with Jessie for her funeral/memorial. Does anyone remember?

I think when her body was found it was already blackening from exposure/decomp and I'm sure the odor had set in as well. There was probably no other way but cremation. That probably felt better to her family than leaving her body that way.

[caryresident]

In #13, did they forget to cross our Ms. Meteor.

[Carrington]

I'm on Brad's side.
I want to know the COD and everything else that autopsy shows.
The powers to be are trying my patience.

:smiliescale:

[d99gr81]

OK wait a second. Many of you yesterday swore up and down and bet the farm that there was no way he would fight for custody. Now that he does its because he wants to know what they have? I'm sorry but thats seriously stretching. I am very surprised by the request to release the autopsy. This is why I reserve passing judgment on someone with out hard facts. That is not something a guilty person does. Honestly I hope he didn't do it and many have to eat crow but I only say the because I really hope he didn't do it for the girls sakes. He is fighting for his babies and he just did something I would never have thought a guilty person would do.

[IMHO63]

In #13, did they forget to cross our Ms. Meteor.

I also noticed that, I guess they did not do a very good job of confidentiality here. I wonder who is to blame for that error?

[Topsail Girl]

Oh my, have you read the motion to disqualify Alice Stubbs? http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/Motion_to_disqualify.pdf

Thoughts?

A source told me there are more to come so keep checking WTVD......

[excelguy]

In #13, did they forget to cross our Ms. Meteor.

....and there it is......WOW

[Topsail Girl]

I think when her body was found it was already blackening from exposure/decomp and I'm sure the odor had set in as well. There was probably no other way but cremation. That probably felt better to her family than leaving her body that way.

You're right and I recall that Jessie was badly burned by BC - I'm sure Nancy's family had no choice.....

[fran]

Oh my, have you read the motion to disqualify Alice Stubbs? http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/Motion_to_disqualify.pdf

Thoughts?

From what I read earlier, it's my understanding that on one hand they want her disqualified because she previously represented the victim and has inside information she should not have.....................on the other hand, they want this information to use as a defense.

So, he wants his cake (information) and eat it too(disqualify the information from the other side by disqualifying the attorney of record)

Colore me
:confused::confused::confused:
fran

[Fuquaylj]

In #13, did they forget to cross our Ms. Meteor.

This is HUGE...someone's head is gonna roll!
I'm very new at this and certainly not well versed in law, but the motion to disqualify seems like a good argument--among other things.

[Topsail Girl]

Did you read #15??? Heather is already involved in an Alienation of Affection suit now??? Did I read that rigth?????

[stillblv]

OK wait a second. Many of you yesterday swore up and down and bet the farm that there was no way he would fight for custody. Now that he does its because he wants to know what they have? I'm sorry but thats seriously stretching. I am very surprised by the request to release the autopsy. This is why I reserve passing judgment on someone with out hard facts. That is not something a guilty person does. Honestly I hope he didn't do it and many have to eat crow but I only say the because I really hope he didn't do it for the girls sakes. He is fighting for his babies and he just did something I would never have thought a guilty person would do.


Once lawyers get involved the only reason they do things is to forward their client's cause so I don't put any kind of interpretation on this move. It's all a game to them.

[fran]

Ok, wait, I think I get it after reading further.

So...........he wants Nancy's attorney disqualified because she knows the 'dirt' on ole Brad. She MAY be called as a witness to testify about stuff that isn't disputed, ie he's a fit parent (part of her divorce info), eventhough it's basically privileged, IF it's not disputed she can testify to it.

Am I getting this right?

On the other hand, she knows the dirt, and since he'd most likely contest that part, she couldn't testify about that because it's privileged. He want's to insure that she doesn't use the 'dirt' knowlege against his client but anything good said about him by her late client, he wants that brought out.

Ok, I get it. Double Lawyer Speak.................Skirt around the bad behavior of the client and only tell the good things. Hide behind the law.

gotcha!
I think
:rolleyes:
fran

[Fuquaylj]

Did you read #15??? Heather is already involved in an Alienation of Affection suit now??? Did I read that rigth?????

That's how I read it.....makes it hard not to form an opinion about someone.

[Carrington]

Just to get it right:

Ms Metour is the correct spelling.

[fran]

Did you read #15??? Heather is already involved in an Alienation of Affection suit now??? Did I read that rigth?????

LOL, I caught that! Yeah!

Heather is in the middle of a divorce!:eek:

She also said she will not testify in the Cooper matter!:chicken:

fran

[caryresident]

Did you read #15??? Heather is already involved in an Alienation of Affection suit now??? Did I read that rigth?????

Just to get it right:

Ms Metour is the correct spelling.

Thanks Carrington for correcting the spelling. Talking about Heather Metour.

[carolinalady]

How about #14, second sentence...that Ms. Cooper had an extramarital affair?

[fran]

Originally Posted by caryresident
In #13, did they forget to cross our Ms. Meteor.

This is HUGE...someone's head is gonna roll!
I'm very new at this and certainly not well versed in law, but the motion to disqualify seems like a good argument--among other things.

Is that THE Heather?:eek::confused::waitasec:

fran

[jerzeegirl]

uh oh, wheres that guy now?

[Fuquaylj]

How about #14, second sentence...that Ms. Cooper had an extramarital affair?

Saw that....first I've heard of it. Didn't read like there was anything to back that up.

[fran]

How about #14, second sentence...that Ms. Cooper had an extramarital affair?

Yeah, they had to throw that in. I got it but don't believe it. IF it's true, I don't care.

Nancy is a victim and what she did didn't deserve a death sentence.

It's Brad I'm concerned with. He's the one having the continued affair. He made it look like the affair was "OLD" and from what we've seen and heard, it was ongoing

IMHO, that attorney filed that motion to make the victim look bad.

That's just me.

But, I get it. Brad is AFRAID of what this attorney knows about HIM.

Just my opinion
fran

[caryresident]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/Motion_to_disqualify.pdf

They crossed out the name. Ut oh.

[caryresident]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/1216841316-20080723152625973.pdf

new link

[d99gr81]

Ok, wait, I think I get it after reading further.

So...........he wants Nancy's attorney disqualified because she knows the 'dirt' on ole Brad. She MAY be called as a witness to testify about stuff that isn't disputed, ie he's a fit parent (part of her divorce info), eventhough it's basically privileged, IF it's not disputed she can testify to it.

Am I getting this right?

On the other hand, she knows the dirt, and since he'd most likely contest that part, she couldn't testify about that because it's privileged. He want's to insure that she doesn't use the 'dirt' knowlege against his client but anything good said about him by her late client, he wants that brought out.

Ok, I get it. Double Lawyer Speak.................Skirt around the bad behavior of the client and only tell the good things. Hide behind the law.

gotcha!
I think
:rolleyes:
fran

OK you and many here just don't get it... since I was married to a person who cheated let me explain something to you people. NC is a no fault state... meaning infidelity weighs ZERO in custody cases. I know this for fact for I went through it. I have 50/50 physical custody of my boys and she was the unfaithful one. I assure you outside of having proof of being a bad parent. Cheating is not weighed in for child custody.

[Carrington]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3257372/Motion_to_disqualify.pdf

They crossed out the name. Ut oh.

Too late, thanks to you! :clap:

[fran]

Saw that....first I've heard of it. Didn't read like there was anything to back that up.

That lawyer knew that this was going to be public record and he did that as part of the 'sleaze factor' that many defense attories know all too well.

He's made himself very clear. He's going to get in the mud for his client.

He's ..................
nevermind,
spttttttttt...........pffftt

IF that attorney thinks this kind of cra* is going to make his client look better, he better think again! It makes him look WORSE!!!!!! Now we know Brad and his attorney will stop at NOTHING to get his client off!!!!!

JMHO
fran

PS. I can't see where that little tid bit had ONE THING to do with removing the other attorney or custody. He did it for spite!!!!!!!!!

[d99gr81]

Yeah, they had to throw that in. I got it but don't believe it. IF it's true, I don't care.

Nancy is a victim and what she did didn't deserve a death sentence.

It's Brad I'm concerned with. He's the one having the continued affair. He made it look like the affair was "OLD" and from what we've seen and heard, it was ongoing

IMHO, that attorney filed that motion to make the victim look bad.

That's just me.

But, I get it. Brad is AFRAID of what this attorney knows about HIM.

Just my opinion
fran


Again .... NC = NO fault state = doesn't matter if he had an affair when it comes to custody

Looks like she had an affair to but its OK that she did? wow guys.

[carolinalady]

Yeah, they had to throw that in. I got it but don't believe it. IF it's true, I don't care.

Nancy is a victim and what she did didn't deserve a death sentence.

It's Brad I'm concerned with. He's the one having the continued affair. He made it look like the affair was "OLD" and from what we've seen and heard, it was ongoing

IMHO, that attorney filed that motion to make the victim look bad.

That's just me.

But, I get it. Brad is AFRAID of what this attorney knows about HIM.

Just my opinion
fran

No, she most certainly didn't deserve a death sentence! Just found it interesting that it's in there.

But, we don't know that BC had a continued affair w/ HM either. From what I read, he's not implicated in the alienation of affection lawsuit and you certainly would think he would be in there if it was an ongoing affair.

[Topsail Girl]

Too late, thanks to you! :clap:

I saved a copy to my hard drive before the name was covered. Looks like WTVD still hasn't covered all of them.

[Magister]

Speculation about the passports......

The passports were found in NCs car.

I'm almost absolutely sure that the idea of the passports being found in the car was mostly a misimpression created from the custody petition, which said that Brad had removed them from the car some months ago.

I haven't seen anything about where LE found the kid's passports, so that they could be returned.

Brad did not have access to the house and it's kind of unlikely that they would've noiselessly let him take them after they had served the warrant. Unless I missed something somewhere, the idea of the passports being found in the car after Nancy's death was an evolution from the allegation made in the custody petition. Otherwise, if they were actually in the car after things broke goofy, then that'd really underline the idea that he was and is a flight risk.

As to how Nancy might've gotten the kids to Canada without passports: First of all, I believe the idea came from a secondhand source and it may be a misunderstanding or a media mischaracterization of Nancy's earlier plans to take the children away. After all, we had heard earlier that she had wanted to go to her relatives and I assume that's why Brad supposedly hid the passports in the first place.

Though, there was a fairly famous group out of Durham which used to spirit women and children from abusive relationships to other countries. I don't know how much of a damper 9/11 put on their operations, but I'm sure that if they're still in existence and if they can no longer smuggle people to Europe, they'd definitely be aware of the legal alternatives.

Also, there's dozens, if not hundreds of border crossings that are only manned for a few hours a day or a couple of days a week. When the border is "closed" a gate is swung across the road and all anyone would have to do is walk around it to get into another vehicle, or maybe ride bikes to the nearest bus station. It's really not hard to physically get into Canada and passports aren't even required for land crossings according to posters on this board, anyway. (Reportedly, she'd need Brad's permission, but an unstaffed crossing would avoid the question, all the same)

Still, I think the thing this morning was most likely a quote that was misheard or misreported, or that the speaker didn't realize that the plan was no longer current.

Once again, IMHO.

[fran]

OK you and many here just don't get it... since I was married to a person who cheated let me explain something to you people. NC is a no fault state... meaning infidelity weighs ZERO in custody cases. I know this for fact for I went through it. I have 50/50 physical custody of my boys and she was the unfaithful one. I assure you outside of having proof of being a bad parent. Cheating is not weighed in for child custody.

I get it. California is the same. You have to prove the other person unfit before custody can be denied. Cheating on a spouse has no bearing on the decision.

Gotcha!

He wants to remove the other attorney, NOT because she knows about his cheating ways, but because she KNOWS EVERYTHING else that went on, that was wrong, behind those closed doors.

Withholding passports........it's called control
Withholding $$ ...............AGAIN, called control

IF he would withhold money from his own wife and kids, what the heck is he going to do to them when there's no Nancy to protect them?

THAT's what he doesn't want this other attorney to discuss. NOT the cheating. AND he only put that in about Ms Cooper's infidelity to make the VICTIM look bad in the public's eye.

But it didn't work. I don't believe him. Even IF it were true, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I'm furious over this........spittin' mad!:furious:

JMHO
fran

[christine2448]

From what I read earlier, it's my understanding that on one hand they want her disqualified because she previously represented the victim and has inside information she should not have.....................on the other hand, they want this information to use as a defense.

So, he wants his cake (information) and eat it too(disqualify the information from the other side by disqualifying the attorney of record)

Colore me
:confused::confused::confused:
fran

From the affidavit "She is an indespensable witness"

[fran]

No, she most certainly didn't deserve a death sentence! Just found it interesting that it's in there.

But, we don't know that BC had a continued affair w/ HM either. From what I read, he's not implicated in the alienation of affection lawsuit and you certainly would think he would be in there if it was an ongoing affair.

I think MOST people would just ignore that little 'alienation of affection' cra*. That's for the lawyers to make extra pocket change.

We've had many WS members that caught their ex's cheating, and all they did was kick him to the curb and file ASAP. They didn't bother with all the other stuff. PLUS, quite often it's not necessary to call the one they were cheating with to court. The cheating spouse quite often knows they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar and will pay up to get it over with!

JMHO
fran

[fran]

From the affidavit "She is an indespensable witness"

christine:

I don't understand all of this legal speak. But what I can gather, he wants her out as an attorney of record but he wants her file.

Now,.....my understanding is she cannot testify as to anything with her former (deceased) client because it's privileged.

BUT,........IF it's privileged, if it's NOT disputed, it can be brought up in court.

So the part where Nancy said she wanted him to have joint custody, he wants that admitted.

BUT, anything Nancy said against his client, to this other attorney is also privileged and cannot be used if it's disputed.

is that right?

So, anything Nancy said, like he withheld the passports, wouldn't give her $$ for food and clothes, etc,.......HE can dispute and it cannot be discussed in court.

Am I making sense and is that what it's saying?

JMHO
fran

[sues]

I agree that the issue of NC's alleged cheating has nothing to do with the custody. OTOH, I don't think it was only mentioned out of spite. If it's true, the "other man" should be investigated, as well, right?

Also, I don't know all the laws about lawyers, but it does in some ways make sense that the divorce lawyer would be called as a witness. Would that be possible if she were also the lawyer in the case? The argument that this would go against the previous client's (NC's) wishes is ridiculous, though.

[stillblv]

christine:

I don't understand all of this legal speak. But what I can gather, he wants her out as an attorney of record but he wants her file.

Now,.....my understanding is she cannot testify as to anything with her former (deceased) client because it's privileged.

BUT,........IF it's privileged, if it's NOT disputed, it can be brought up in court.

So the part where Nancy said she wanted him to have joint custody, he want that admitted.

BUT, anything Nancy said against his client, to this other attorney is also privileged and cannot be used if it's disputed.


is that right?

So, anything Nancy said, like he withheld the passports, wouldn't give her $$ for food and clothes, etc,.......HE can dispute and it cannot be discussed in court.

Am I making sense and is that what it's saying?

JMHO
fran
Nancy may have said on March 10 that BC was a fit father; however, that could have and obviously did change over the ensuing months. And I'm sure there are alot of witnesses who can attest to that.

[Topsail Girl]

OK you and many here just don't get it... since I was married to a person who cheated let me explain something to you people. NC is a no fault state... meaning infidelity weighs ZERO in custody cases. I know this for fact for I went through it. I have 50/50 physical custody of my boys and she was the unfaithful one. I assure you outside of having proof of being a bad parent. Cheating is not weighed in for child custody.


I'm just curious how long ago you were divorced in NC. I havebeen divored 18 years. In my separation and custody papers it states the reason for the dissolution of my marriage was Adultery committed by the husband. My ex siged the papers that way and I got sole custody of our daughter. he got visitation and paid me child support. I also had a right to alimony which I forfeited as long as he paid his child support on time.

The point I'm trying to make is laws change. Depending on how good your lawyer is MIGHT have something to do with it too.

[d99gr81]

I agree that the issue of NC's alleged cheating has nothing to do with the custody. OTOH, I don't think it was only mentioned out of spite. If it's true, the "other man" should be investigated, as well, right?

Also, I don't know all the laws about lawyers, but it does in some ways make sense that the divorce lawyer would be called as a witness. Would that be possible if she were also the lawyer in the case? The argument that this would go against the previous client's (NC's) wishes is ridiculous, though.

Very good point... that is another possible suspect and that is why its very relevant that she had an affair as well.

[fran]

I agree that the issue of NC's alleged cheating has nothing to do with the custody. OTOH, I don't think it was only mentioned out of spite. If it's true, the "other man" should be investigated, as well, right?

Also, I don't know all the laws about lawyers, but it does in some ways make sense that the divorce lawyer would be called as a witness. Would that be possible if she were also the lawyer in the case? The argument that this would go against the previous client's (NC's) wishes is ridiculous, though.


Don't kid yourself. These lawyers are verrryyy sneaky. He knew this document was going to be public record. He said what he said on purpose.

It sounds like the alleged affair was a looonnnnggg time ago, too! I doubt that it has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

This reminds me of all the cra* MG threw out when he started representing Scott Peterson. Just trying to see if anything will stick.

JMHO
fran

[d99gr81]

I'm just curious how long ago you were divorced in NC. I havebeen divored 18 years. In my separation and custody papers it states the reason for the dissolution of my marriage was Adultery committed by the husband. My ex siged the papers that way and I got sole custody of our daughter. he got visitatin and paid me child support. I also had a right to alimony which I forfeited as long as he paid his child support on time.

3 years ago. I assure you NC is a no fault and all that means nothing when it comes to custody or I would have went for full custody. Believe me I have plenty of evidence to the affair"S". So sadly one person can destroy a family as in my case. The thing that really was hard on me was that my boys nor I did a thing to ever be apart for one day!

[fran]

Nancy may have said on March 10 that BC was a fit father; however, that could have and obviously did change over the ensuing months. And I'm sure there are alot of witnesses who can attest to that.

Thank goodness for that! You're absolutely right.

It's been stated that she got $$ from her family because he wouldn't give her any. I'm sure that can come up in court.

Being involved in a deposition, once though, I know how LIARS will skirt around that issue and make up some chit. Like, oh, I gave her money but she was spending alot on XYZ and I don't know why? She just went to them. She probably didn't want me to know,.blah, blah, blah......

But,........the fact of the matter is, the judge will see through any smoke screen. At least I hope so!

JMHO
fran

[carolinalady]

People have made big bucks in North Carolina over alienation of affection, not just the lawyers.

Also, a lawyer most certainly can be made to testify (at least in N. Carolina) as was the case in the Eric Miller case. I believe that's the Miller case listed in the filing (haven't verified that yet). In that case, one of the parties involved had committed suicide and his attorney did end up disclosing his client's information (under judge's order, of course).

[fran]

3 years ago. I assure you NC is a no fault and all that means nothing when it comes to custody or I would have went for full custody. Believe me I have plenty of evidence to the affair"S". So sadly one person can destroy a family as in my case. The thing that really was hard on me was that my boys nor I did a thing to ever be apart for one day!

OT......sorry you were pained d99gr81......but, in the end, the other person will get there's. It's called KARMA.

fran

[d99gr81]

Don't kid yourself. These lawyers are verrryyy sneaky. He knew this document was going to be public record. He said what he said on purpose.

It sounds like the alleged affair was a looonnnnggg time ago, too! I doubt that it has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

This reminds me of all the cra* MG threw out when he started representing Scott Peterson. Just trying to see if anything will stick.

JMHO
fran

NO offense but you blow her affair off as if nothing. Yet you don't hear us say why it has just as much importance. As previously noted could be other motives and suspects to consider. So please keep an open mind. I know its hard to not fry him all ready like many others but thats what it takes to get to the truth is an open mind.

[fran]

People have made big bucks in North Carolina over alienation of affection, not just the lawyers.

Also, a lawyer most certainly can be made to testify (at least in N. Carolina) as was the case in the Eric Miller case. I believe that's the Miller case listed in the filing (haven't verified that yet). In that case, one of the parties involved had committed suicide and his attorney did end up disclosing his client's information (under judge's order, of course).

Yeah, but IF BC disputes the bad stuff the attorney gathered about him, he can dispute that! at least I think so.

He only wants the warm fuzzy stuff revealed in court. Anything to make him look good!

I think I don't like Brad or his attorney!:mad:
fran

[d99gr81]

OT......sorry you were pained d99gr81......but, in the end, the other person will get there's. It's called KARMA.

fran

You know my Mother would say that but honestly I don't think it ever will. She was remarried for the third time 9 days after we signed our divorce papers. There was a time thats all i thought about was hoping she would get hers but I healed and I only care about my boys...honestly today I couldn't be happier.

[fran]

NO offense but you blow her affair off as if nothing. Yet you don't hear us say why it has just as much importance. As previously noted could be other motives and suspects to consider. So please keep an open mind. I know its hard to not fry him all ready like many others but thats what it takes to get to the truth is an open mind.

LOL, oh, I WANT LE to check out the other person.

You know what they say when they're investigating. They investigate leads to ELIMINATE.

I don't want LE to leave any stone unturned.

But,............I've seen enough of these cases to know pretty well, where the roads are going to lead in the end.:rolleyes:

Just sayin'
fran

[Topsail Girl]

3 years ago. I assure you NC is a no fault and all that means nothing when it comes to custody or I would have went for full custody. Believe me I have plenty of evidence to the affair"S". So sadly one person can destroy a family as in my case. The thing that really was hard on me was that my boys nor I did a thing to ever be apart for one day!

I'm so sorry for you....I hope you are dealing with it and that your sons have adjusted well. It's is difficult enough on a spouse but on children it even harder I believe. Luckily my daughter was only 1 1/2 when we divorced so her entire life she's always had a mommy house and a daddy house as she used to call them. I think I got so lucky because I had caught him so many times and then I went and hired the best child custody and divorce attorney in Wake County. Basically I bullied him into sole custondy plus the truth be known he didn't want her anyway because it interfered with his dating....and eventually marrying twice more.....

I hope that Bella and Katie can find some stability soon. Today is Katie's second birthday. I wonder if or when nancy's family will celebrate it....I know she's too young to remember it this year.

[fran]

You know my Mother would say that but honestly I don't think it ever will. She was remarried for the third time 9 days after we signed our divorce papers. There was a time thats all i thought about was hoping she would get hers but I healed and I only care about my boys...honestly today I couldn't be happier.

Doncha' know that IS part of Karma!

You've healed and are HAPPY. :) That's the best revenge in the world!

Seriously,
fran

[Topsail Girl]

You know my Mother would say that but honestly I don't think it ever will. She was remarried for the third time 9 days after we signed our divorce papers. There was a time thats all i thought about was hoping she would get hers but I healed and I only care about my boys...honestly today I couldn't be happier.


Oh my it sounds like we need to hook our ex's up - sounds like they deserve each other. :clap:

[Topsail Girl]

Doncha' know that IS part of Karma!

You've healed and are HAPPY. :) That's the best revenge in the world!

Seriously,
fran

Oh absolutely Fran - I couldn't agree more. That's pure KARMA, baby!!!

[d99gr81]

I'm so sorry for you....I hope you are dealing with it and that your sons have adjusted well. It's is difficult enough on a spouse but on children it even harder I believe. Luckily my daughter was only 1 1/2 when we divorced so her entire life she's always had a mommy house and a daddy house as she used to call them. I think I got so lucky because I had caught him so many times and then I went and hired the best child custody and divorce attorney in Wake County. Basically I bullied him into sole custondy plus the truth be known he didn't want her anyway because it interfered with his dating....and eventually marrying twice more.....

I hope that Bella and Katie can find some stability soon. Today is Katie's second birthday. I wonder if or when nancy's family will celebrate it....I know she's too young to remember it this year.


Well thank you. I would have been very happy if she didn't want them but sad for my kids. I would gladly take full custody but the fact is she is an OK mother just a horrible wife. Honestly I cant believe how well the have adjusted. My oldest is 7 and and my youngest is 4. they are such good boys and some how I was able to keep my issues with their mother separate from them and they are so well adjusted now. I did allot of reading at the time. Everything I read said NOT to say anything bad about their mother for they will just resent me for it. So as hard as it was and is some times till I don't. But one day when they are old enough if they ask me what happened I will not lie to them. well I am off work and have to go I will check in again tomorrow.

[d99gr81]

Oh my it sounds like we need to hook our ex's up - sounds like they deserve each other. :clap:

HAHA wouldn't want my ex on anyone lol believe me shes bad ...bi-polar , psychotic episodes you name it.. well I am sure she will be divorced in the next couple years so will see lol take care i have to go.

[fran]

I saved a copy to my hard drive before the name was covered. Looks like WTVD still hasn't covered all of them.

LOL, you baddd girl!

You're too quick for them!

:)
fran

[fran]

I agree that the issue of NC's alleged cheating has nothing to do with the custody. OTOH, I don't think it was only mentioned out of spite. If it's true, the "other man" should be investigated, as well, right?

Also, I don't know all the laws about lawyers, but it does in some ways make sense that the divorce lawyer would be called as a witness. Would that be possible if she were also the lawyer in the case? The argument that this would go against the previous client's (NC's) wishes is ridiculous, though.

IF it was merely mentioned to bring LE's attention to the fact, there may be another viable suspect, wouldn't it have been prudent for the {grieving} husband to have called up LE immediately and say "Hey! There's this guy, blah, blah, blah"

or have his attorney call up LE and tell them, 'there's this other guy, blah, blah, blah,'

NOOOOO......they put it in a public document.

It was *cold* and *calculated* IMHO.

Now we see what this attorney, and most especially this {grieving} husband are made of. It's not pretty. Not pretty at all...............

:mad:
fran

[carolinalady]

IF it was merely mentioned to bring LE's attention to the fact, there may be another viable suspect, wouldn't it have been prudent for the {grieving} husband to have called up LE immediately and say "Hey! There's this guy, blah, blah, blah"

or have his attorney call up LE and tell them, 'there's this other guy, blah, blah, blah,'

NOOOOO......they put it in a public document.

It was *cold* and *calculated* IMHO.

Now we see what this attorney, and most especially this {grieving} husband are made of. It's not pretty. Not pretty at all...............

:mad:
fran

I agree that he should have first and foremost pointed this out to LE. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. LE has consistently said that BC was cooperating w/ police and answering questions.

I have no idea if BC did murder his wife. It certainly doesn't look good for him just based on the info that has been released.

I just want to point out that Ms. Stubbs put this same kind of stuff in a public document (the custody petition).

I think plenty of attorneys play this way (including the practice that Ms. Stubbs works for).

[Jess]

Wonderful sense of timing for this lawyer, isn't it ? The day of her memorial, and who knows , maybe a private burial later on. Yup -- they need to have to deal with this on top of an already emotional day.

[carolinalady]

Wonderful sense of timing for this lawyer, isn't it ? The day of her memorial, and who knows , maybe a private burial later on. Yup -- they need to have to deal with this on top of an already emotional day.

This is what bothers me most about the whole thing.

[T-Rex]

I'm a little confused. The filing says Brad only slept with Heather once, years ago. But her friends give the impression it was an affair, and recent.
Also, are they saying Heather is party to an Alienation of Affections lawsuit involving someone else?
The thing about Nancy having a fling of her own has been mentioned already. But "encounter" makes it sound like a one-time deal.

[jilly]

Again .... NC = NO fault state = doesn't matter if he had an affair when it comes to custody



I agree plus - wouldn't matter what State it was.

[hckychx1]

So if Ms. Metour is a defendent in an alienation of affection action and she's no longer involved with Mr. Cooper ... how many married men does she ...

Whatever ... going home ... long weekend.

[Just the Fax]

I agree w/ this. We see arrests prior to Grand Jury indictments all of the time.

In NC, unless a felony suspect is an immediate danger to himself or others, the cops will present their evidence before a Grand Jury prior to arrest. I will be shocked if that is not the case here.

[fran]

I agree that he should have first and foremost pointed this out to LE. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. LE has consistently said that BC was cooperating w/ police and answering questions.

I have no idea if BC did murder his wife. It certainly doesn't look good for him just based on the info that has been released.

I just want to point out that Ms. Stubbs put this same kind of stuff in a public document (the custody petition).

I think plenty of attorneys play this way (including the practice that Ms. Stubbs works for).

I'm willing to wager Mr. Brad hasn't had one conversation with LE since he hired his mouth piece. Of course the excuse is that's just good lawyering type stuff. But, IF your spouse was murdered and you had NOTHING to do with it, MOST prudent people would be calling LE every day. They would WANT the perp caught!

Ms. Stubbs put that info in the public document she filed because it was necessary to win temporary custody of the minor children. It was necessary to prove the children could POSSIBLY be in imminent danger.

Withholding passports,...............they needed the passports and knew he would do this to Nancy, so they needed to put that in the document because they wanted to take Nancy home for her memorial service.

Withholding financial support,........they needed to put that in there because it showed to what extent this alleged loving father would go to get his way. Starving his family, imo.

IMHO, everything in the parent's papers were needed to support their claim. The current paper filed by Mr. Brad's attorney had lots of unnecessary stuff in it, only to make the victim look bad.

Oh, and to file it on the day of Nancy's memorial was *calculated* too. They didn't want too much sympathy for the vicitim and the family,...........oh, and they also didn't want anyone talking about how THE {GRIEVING} HUSBAND COULDN'T EVEN BE BOTHERED, to attend his own murdered wife's service.

"Keep the focus on Nancy."

Yeah, we heard that one a few years ago too. The husband didn't come public because he wanted the 'focus on Laci.' ......circa, scott peterson, convicted of murder 1st degree and 2nd degree, currently incarcerated on Death Row in California, U.S.A.

JMHO
fran

[strach304]

I agree that the issue of NC's alleged cheating has nothing to do with the custody. OTOH, I don't think it was only mentioned out of spite. If it's true, the "other man" should be investigated, as well, right?

Also, I don't know all the laws about lawyers, but it does in some ways make sense that the divorce lawyer would be called as a witness. Would that be possible if she were also the lawyer in the case? The argument that this would go against the previous client's (NC's) wishes is ridiculous, though.

I don't remember what news source it was but yesterday or the day before they reported there were 2 POI being investigated. I posted on the thread about it being a bf of NC's because it was right after the rumor of her affair started. I mentioned the possibility of evidence that would indicate a sexual assault as well for the 2nd. POI. So yes he is being looked at. I agree that is exactly why he wants it known that there is someone else to look at besides him but where's the motive if any for the bf? LE has to investigate him of course just for the sake of it. Then Brad can't say that LE didn't thoroughly investigate.

[fran]

In NC, unless a felony suspect is an immediate danger to himself or others, the cops will present their evidence before a Grand Jury prior to arrest. I will be shocked if that is not the case here.

Well, he did try to commit suicide once and threatened more recently. I would say 'he's a danger to himself.'

Just sayin'
fran

[headndownstream]

No doubt he dressed her corpse in her running gear....what a chilling thought

Yes it is! I also wonder if she was found in the clothes he described. I wonder if he thought up the jog idea before or after he disposed of her. If he is indeed guilty.

I was surprised he could even say what she had on. My husband wouldn't be able to say what I was wearing after spending hours with me. But if he spent time hauling me to a vehicle and delivering me where he wanted me, he probably would remember.

[Topsail Girl]

LOL, you baddd girl!

You're too quick for them!

:)
fran


Ha!! Trust me, I've learned the hard way in other cases. SAVE SAVE SAVE!! If you want it to reference later you must save. I'm sure you've been there when you go look for something that didn't make sense in the beginning. You wanna go back and read to clarify and it's poof!! just GONE. I hate that so I save everything now. I have a specific Zip drive that I use just for cases LOL holds 2 gig!! I alerted Ed Crump at WTVD of the oversight - he was grateful :)

[Onescout]

Interesting new developments...seems the lawyers are revving this up.

Here is the irony: Assuming BC did murder his wife because he didn't want to split up the finances in a divorce...he is about to spend it all on this very diligent attorney.

[headndownstream]

See I don't agree with this either. I don't see why they would have to wait for this date to make an arrest if they have enough to arrest him now. Doesn't make sense to me. That is saying you know he did it but will not do anything until that date...gives him a chance to run or what ever. They can hold him with out bail if they have evidence so I don't see why the would ever wait to pull a murderer off the street.

The guy is a trained triathlon-er. If he wants to leave, GPS won't stop him. He can do a 2.4 mile ocean swim, a 112 mile bike ride, and a 26 mile run in one day. He can escape.

[Just the Fax]

Well, he did try to commit suicide once and threatened more recently. I would say 'he's a danger to himself.'

Just sayin'
fran

Ok, I say let him do what he needs to do.....

Just sayin'

[Just the Fax]

The guy is a trained triathlon-er. If he wants to leave, GPS won't stop him. He can do a 2.4 mile ocean swim, a 112 mile bike ride, and a 26 mile run in one day. He can escape.

Reckon he'll escape to the ocean for the swim ?

138 miles on bike and foot will get him right to Wrightsville Beach NC :)

[Just the Fax]

Mr Blum is just posturing. He knows the autopsy report will not convict his client....if it included forensic evidence traced to Brad, he would be behind bars last week.
All of this crap is nothing more than spin to sway doubters...including Cisco.
Other than what was taken from the home and cars with the SW's , he has no idea what evidence the cops have or don't have. Before this is over, look for Mr Blum on all the TV shows looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

[Topsail Girl]

Holy CARP!!! Have y'all read this???? :confused:

Any comments??? Anyone believe any of it???

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/cooper_affidavit.pdf

[gritguy]

That is some hard hitting lawyering being done by BC's attorneys.

Personally, I think they have nothing to lose by asking for the autopsy information to be revealed. It's going to come out at some point, and the quicker the better for him, as all information may not be available, plus if there was no evidence on her body connecting the crime to him, the release is in his favor.

If the speculation on this board that the DA intends to present to the Grand Jury next week is correct, then if I were the family's attorneys I would ask for an extension of the temporary custody given the gravity of the defense motions (for example, time to find new counsel and for the judge to consider the disqualification motion) in the hope that an arrest would come before the real hearing and hopefully the public presentation of evidence against BC that would swing the equities of the custody matter back towards my clients.

Like it or not, he is the father of the daughters and the removal of them from his custody is and should be attainable only by meeting a very high burden.

Although I thought perhaps he would not fight, there are two possible reasons for him to fight hard now. One, he's innocent. Two, he committed the crime but believes he should have his daughters and/or also if this is going to be tried in the press doing it before LE has all the evidence together is the best time to do it.

[Sewing_Buddy]

Interesting new developments...seems the lawyers are revving this up.

Here is the irony: Assuming BC did murder his wife because he didn't want to split up the finances in a divorce...he is about to spend it all on this very diligent attorney.

Not to mention, he probably isn't working these days so how long will Cisco keep him on the payroll? And it seems they were living a lifestyle beyond their means, anyway (didn't they take out equity loans?)

[Topsail Girl]

Apparently 45,000 in debt also. Wasn't that the amount of the equity loan too? I can't recall for sure.

[Magister]

Holy CARP!!! Have y'all read this???? :confused:

Any comments??? Anyone believe any of it???

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/cooper_affidavit.pdf

We really have no reason to doubt any of his affidavit. Sure, he may be coloring some of the events in the best possible light, but the parts relative to the grandparents filing are right in line with what I had imagined was the truth and the rest of it, we really have no idea, but it all sounds possible and everything can be reasonably believed.

I'll also say (no offense intended to anyone), but we now have testimony under oath about the "bleach" and not just a third-hand rumor.

[Just the Fax]

Holy CARP!!! Have y'all read this???? :confused:

Any comments??? Anyone believe any of it???

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/cooper_affidavit.pdf


Well, this is Brad's 'side' and will not be backed by anyone.
Nancy's family and friends will speak for Nancy. Look for his 'list' to be cut to shreds in a courtroom.

[Sewing_Buddy]

Holy CARP!!! Have y'all read this???? :confused:

Any comments??? Anyone believe any of it???

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/cooper_affidavit.pdf

Wow! He sounds like "Super Dad" in his report on himself!

[Celt]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1151638.html
Didn't see this posted..to me it looks like they were broke...and Brad was about to be "broker"
, "Bradley Cooper had granted his wife the right to return to Canada with the girls, and the couple had agreed to list their home for sale at a price of $370,000. The proceeds of that sale were to pay off the home's mortgage, the loan on Nancy Cooper's BMW X5, the balances on three credit cards and a loan against Bradley Cooper's 401k.
Bradley Cooper was to have paid Nancy Cooper $2,100 a month in child support beginning May 1, 2008, and to cover Bella and Katie's tuition at a mutually agreed upon private school from kindergarten through high school.

[carolinalady]

We really have no reason to doubt any of his affidavit. Sure, he may be coloring some of the events in the best possible light, but the parts relative to the grandparents filing are right in line with what I had imagined was the truth and the rest of it, we really have no idea, but it all sounds possible and everything can be reasonably believed.

I'll also say (no offense intended to anyone), but we now have testimony under oath about the "bleach" and not just a third-hand rumor.

I agree.

[Magister]

Well, this is Brad's 'side' and will not be backed by anyone.
Nancy's family and friends will speak for Nancy. Look for his 'list' to be cut to shreds in a courtroom.

I'm sure there's photos of him in the paddle boats; He most likely has credit card receipts; Both therapists will file affidavits; The Harris-Teeter purchases are recorded on video and in the computers; The cops can testify about the transfer; I've never believed the withholding money for food allegation and I really don't see much in his testimony that couldn't be easily verified.

ETA: ...and his cellphone records should show the phone call about the juice and unless one of the kids called or he had an accomplice in the cover-up, it could be reasonably assumed that Nancy was alive at 6:40 on Saturday morning.

[maconrich]

This might be a stupid question but what does the autopsy report have to do with the custody issue?

[Topsail Girl]

Wow! He sounds like "Super Dad" in his report on himself!

Yeah he said that Nancy had called him super dad...

[Just the Fax]

Nancy Cooper's family's attorney, Alice Stubbs, also filed numerous affidavits on the matter late Wednesday afternoon .Friends and neighbors also testify to the tension of the marriage and claim Nancy Cooper was trapped in the marriage. Jessica Adam, who reported Nancy Cooper missing, stated in an affidavit: "I believe that Brad murdered Nancy."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3256442/

[Magister]

This might be a stupid question but what does the autopsy report have to do with the custody issue?

The autopsy report could show that there was evidence someone other than Brad committed the crime and if he didn't kill his wife, the grandparent's case doesn't have a leg to stand.

[Topsail Girl]

We really have no reason to doubt any of his affidavit. Sure, he may be coloring some of the events in the best possible light, but the parts relative to the grandparents filing are right in line with what I had imagined was the truth and the rest of it, we really have no idea, but it all sounds possible and everything can be reasonably believed.

I'll also say (no offense intended to anyone), but we now have testimony under oath about the "bleach" and not just a third-hand rumor.

Here's my thing with the Harris Teeter trip for "bleach". Why would he address that? It has never been confirmed or denied by any Law Enforcement so why does he feel the need to address that. One of his ex girlfriends said that if he was not behind bars that he would have his head in the laptop even said he could be here reading. I wonder if he is. Why else would he address a rumor. I don't believe Nancy's parents ever brought up anything about the bleach either - at least nothing mentioned was mentioned in the emergency custody order. So why address that? If it isn't true - who cares????

[warrkat]

I'm sure there's photos of him in the paddle boats; He most likely has credit card receipts; Both therapists will file affidavits; The Harris-Teeter purchases are recorded on video and in the computers; The cops can testify about the transfer; I've never believed the withholding money for food allegation and I really don't see much in his testimony that couldn't be easily verified.

He sure sounds like SuperDad. I found myself thinking that if he were the mom, he wouldn't have had to say all that stuff... it would have been expected of a mom, but not of a dad, and I think that is sad.
ANYWAY. I agree that much of what he said can be verified (or not) by receits and therapists' reports, the separation agreement, and possibly by her spending records. Who signed the credit card receipts at department stores, art stores, whatever? I never believed the withholding money idea, either. She might have told her parents that, and they believed her. Can't blame them for believing whatever she said, she was their daughter.
It may be that the children are better off (at least for right now) but the way this whole thing was done STINKS, imo.

[Topsail Girl]

The autopsy report could show that there was evidence someone other than Brad committed the crime and if he didn't kill his wife, the grandparent's case doesn't have a leg to stand.

How? I mean strangulation is strangulation, BFT is BFT how can anyone prove Brad did or didn't do it at this early stage?? Unless it was strangulation and there is VERY clear finger prints around her neck. How can BFT be proven to be or not be Brad unless there is DNA present and at this point I don't believe any of those results are back yet. I'm asking because I don't know - I'm in no way trying to be mean about it. I truly don't know what the A/R could show at this point.

[fran]

Nancy Cooper's family's attorney, Alice Stubbs, also filed numerous affidavits on the matter late Wednesday afternoon .Friends and neighbors also testify to the tension of the marriage and claim Nancy Cooper was trapped in the marriage. Jessica Adam, who reported Nancy Cooper missing, stated in an affidavit: "I believe that Brad murdered Nancy."

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3256442/




WoW!!!!

Now this is really getting interesting!

Friends and neighbors also testify to the tension of the marriage and claim Nancy Cooper was trapped in the marriage

:eek:
fran

PS....FWIW, I KNEW this was coming. The FRIENDS of Nancy are going to stick up for their MURDERED FRIEND!!!!!!! go get 'em!!!!

[Magister]

Here's my thing with the Harris Teeter trip for "bleach". Why would he address that? It has never been confirmed or denied by any Law Enforcement so why does he feel the need to address that. One of his ex girlfriends said that if he was not behind bars that he would have his head in the laptop even said he could be here reading. I wonder if he is. Why else would he address a rumor. I don't believe Nancy's parents ever brought up anything about the bleach either - at least nothing mentioned was mentioned in the emergency custody order. So why address that? If it isn't true - who cares????

The "bleach" reference could've been geared more toward Nancy Grace and those on cable tv. Public opinion really has nothing to do with anything, but we don't really know whether the cops have ever confirmed or denied the rumor to the grandparents, but if they haven't, then it takes away one thing they use to back their claim.

And, as I theorized in the "custody" subforum, I really expect a continuance on Friday (if all parties agree), so by putting it in the affidavit now, it makes certain that the true story gets into the public discussion.

[Just the Fax]

The autopsy report could show that there was evidence someone other than Brad committed the crime and if he didn't kill his wife, the grandparent's case doesn't have a leg to stand.


Autopsy reports in NC typically take 2-3 months to complete.
Mr Blum knows this and is just posturing

-----of course, there is a preliminary report that said the death was homicide.
Strangulation ? blunt force trauma ? Gunshot ? stabbing ? ....none would exonerate Brad.

[Magister]

How? I mean strangulation is strangulation, BFT is BFT how can anyone prove Brad did or didn't do it at this early stage?? Unless it was strangulation and there is VERY clear finger prints around her neck. How can BFT be proven to be or not be Brad unless there is DNA present and at this point I don't believe any of those results are back yet. I'm asking because I don't know - I'm in no way trying to be mean about it. I truly don't know what the A/R could show at this point.

I don't know the timeframe on DNA, but an NC attorney posting on this forum said that they'd expect LE to use a private lab and I don't know whether or not the state lab actually has a delay; Right now, if Brad didn't kill his wife, he probably doesn't know how she died and doesn't know if there's evidence to exonerate him and if he did, then he might hope there's so little, it could raise reasonable doubt.

[Magister]

Autopsy reports in NC typically take 2-3 months to complete.
Mr Blum knows this and is just posturing

Again, I expect the custody case to be continued unless Brad doesn't agree and by filing the paperwork now, it gives his side grounds. And, I'm sure there's preliminary paperwork on the autopsy, some or all of which might exclude Brad.

[Just the Fax]

I don't know the timeframe on DNA, but an NC attorney posting on this forum said that they'd expect LE to use a private lab and I don't know whether or not the state lab actually has a delay; Right now, if Brad didn't kill his wife, he probably doesn't know how she died and doesn't know if there's evidence to exonerate him and if he did, then he might hope there's so little, it could raise reasonable doubt.

Brad's attorney obviously knows he has no scratch marks (rumor on this board).
If his DNA was found at autopsy, it would be under her nails....they apparently know it is not there.

Of course, that in no way exonerates him.

[carolinalady]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3258895/Plaintiff_affidavits.pdf

Support from Nancy's friends.

[Just the Fax]

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/23/3258895/Plaintiff_affidavits.pdf

Support from Nancy's friends.


Brad and Blum are BUSTED

:boohoo:

[carolinalady]

I can't find a link to the video, but on tonight's new (WRAL) they did show the police still handing out flyers in the Lochmere subdivision requesting information about the case.

I look at this two ways. They could either be looking for someone to place BC at the scene or they truly don't have a POI and are looking for fresh leads.

I'll post a link to the broadcast if I can find it.

ETA link: http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/3259280/

[christine2448]

I was reading it with my mouth hanging open (not even sure what the paper is called, his 'answer'?) Anywho...very well written, IMO. Touched on everything. I actually cried when reading about him going to meet the gp's only to be served and the children 'peeled' from him.

I think it's awesome we have his side of the story.

Now...let's see the ME report and results of evidence, if any physical, collected.

This is getting VERY interesting.

I hope if he is guilty he fries, I hope if he is innocent, it can be proven w/o a doubt.

[Magister]

Brad and Blum are BUSTED

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing a lot of substance. Primarily it's Jessica boohooing about the fact that Brad didn't hang with her.

[Just the Fax]

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing a lot of substance. Primarily it's Jessica boohooing about the fact that Brad didn't hang with her.

Geez. What planet are you on ?

I read about a narcissistic, controlling, sadistic maniac that killed his wife.

[Topsail Girl]

Geez. What planet are you on ?

I read about a narcissistic, controlling, sadistic maniac that killed his wife.


Me too JTF - sounded to me like he wasn't hangin' with his wife and daughters to me. I doubt Jessica gave a rats be-hind if he was hangin' with her but his own wife and kids???? GMAB

ETA - he's a classic narcissistic, controlling freak to me - IMO

[Onescout]

"...and his cellphone records should show the phone call about the juice and unless one of the kids called or he had an accomplice in the cover-up, it could be reasonably assumed that Nancy was alive at 6:40 on Saturday morning."

Yes I saw this, however this would be easy to do, all BC had to do was call his phone from Nancy's cell...he did have the purse and car after all...smart thinking on his part, evidence to support his story, allegedly.

This is all getting so expensive, and messy as the divorce would have been I suppose, but now much more costly in so many ways.

[raisincharlie]

Having just now read all this stuff I have concluded the following:


Brad did go to the store just as he described, Nancy called him just as he described and he purchased the items just as described. Nancy was still alive.

However when he returned home is when the stuff hit the fan. From reading all the nice things he had to say in his custody filing it was obvious he had a tennis match scheduled for that morning despite earlier in his epistle saying that Saturday was Mommy's day off. A huge fight occurs and he murdered her shortly after 7 am - she never went running but may have been dressed to do so. A few things lead me to this - Brad says Nancy called him at the store but yet Jessica reported Nancy's purse and cell phone were in her car during the 911 call.

Page 4 of Jessica Adam's affidavit - Brad called her at 1230 pm that Saturday saying he was going to look for Nancy and this Carrie person. She offers to watch the girls while he does so and he just hangs up on her. I suspect he was loading Nancy into the car to dispose of her body at that time.

JMO

[panthera]

Ahh good point but from the way it looked in the photos - building would be a long time coming. Even though she would be found eventually, Brad was thinking the heat would be off him by then and the police would chalk it up to unsolved or an abduction by someone else. Again this is just a theory - just an opinion.

Do we know yet what she was wearing when found? I sure wish I knew. All I've read was "very little clothing".
I think she was put there to decompose as quickly as possible without being found immediately. About the clothes, I was thinking after hearing the man's 911 call, about the vultures ~ like if they'd be picking at it? I still don't see a t-shirt & shorts as being 'partially dressed'. :waitasec:

[panthera]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1151638.html
Didn't see this posted..to me it looks like they were broke...and Brad was about to be "broker"
, "Bradley Cooper had granted his wife the right to return to Canada with the girls, and the couple had agreed to list their home for sale at a price of $370,000. The proceeds of that sale were to pay off the home's mortgage, the loan on Nancy Cooper's BMW X5, the balances on three credit cards and a loan against Bradley Cooper's 401k.
Bradley Cooper was to have paid Nancy Cooper $2,100 a month in child support beginning May 1, 2008, and to cover Bella and Katie's tuition at a mutually agreed upon private school from kindergarten through high school.
WHAT??? :eek: How much did he make a month? And a private school from kindergarten through high school and the girls are only 4 & 2 right now? I sure see lots of motive! She could take the kids back to Canada & he'd still have to pay $2100/mo child support plus their school.

[Onescout]

The main thing that investigators will always look at is MOTIVE. There is plenty here and the lack of a random killer or clues pointing to one keeps cycling the investigation back to Brad Cooper.
We have yet to hear Brad offer a reward for the unknown villian(s) who murdered his soon to be ex-wife.

The recent rash of attorney posturing is for perception building and media attention.
The custody petition is a distraction and BC's vehicle to get his side of the divorce/custody/alibi out to the media.


The most unfortunate and unfair aspect of this, is that Nancy Cooper cannot respond to any of Brad's allegations.
She is forever silenced with only her bravest and loyal of friends to become her voice.

[raisincharlie]

The main thing that investigators will always look at is MOTIVE. There is plenty here and the lack of a random killer or clues pointing to one keeps cycling the investigation back to Brad Cooper.
We have yet to hear Brad offer a reward for the unknown villian(s) who murdered his soon to be ex-wife.

The recent rash of attorney posturing is for perception building and media attention.
The custody petition is a distraction and BC's vehicle to get his side of the divorce/custody/alibi out to the media.


The most unfortunate and unfair aspect of this, is that Nancy Cooper cannot respond to any of Brad's allegations.
She is forever silenced with only her bravest and loyal of friends to become her voice.

Nancy may not be able to respond but her friends affidavits sure told the story for her. Hope Brad's lawyer has now received enough information since he was the one who chose to play this in the media - his boy is toast.

[fran]

Geez. What planet are you on ?

I read about a narcissistic, controlling, sadistic maniac that killed his wife.

Yeah, you've seen one wife murder or mysterious disappearance without a trace, you've seen them all.

Like I've been sayin', each one of these narcissistic control freaks with an education think they're smarter than all the guys sitting on Death Row or serving Life Without Parole, in prison, after prison, after prison,.... across this nation.

They think they're the first one to think of it!
They think they will save money if the wife dies or disappears.
They think no one will suspect them.
They think they've covered their track so well.
They think that IF they get tried, their wiz of a defense attorney will pull a Perry Mason and get them freed.

Just ask these guys presently serving time what they would do if they could turn the clock back to BEFORE their wife was murdered or disappeared. Would they get a divorce this time around?

It's a rhetorical question, no answer necessary.

Brad should have read the final three chapters of this book. The part where he gets, arrested, tried, and convicted. :behindbar

Just a matter of time, IMO.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

WHAT??? :eek: How much did he make a month? And a private school from kindergarten through high school and the girls are only 4 & 2 right now? I sure see lots of motive! She could take the kids back to Canada & he'd still have to pay $2100/mo child support plus their school.

Not only that, she was going to receive 8 years of alimony, providing she wasn't remarried.

He wanted joint custody where he could see the kids on weekends and a vacation in the summer. But she was going to have to move back to Canada because she didn't have a work permit in the U.S. IMHO, that's the reason he took the kids passports away. Because if she moved to Canada, he was responsible to pay for the kids transportation back and forth, PLUS he had to pay for Nancy to accompany them on their flight.

Bet the stuck in his craw! :rolleyes:

They also had a loan on his 401K. The house proceeds were to pay that off, and she was going to get the 401K, IIRC. :eek:

Oh, and he had to pay off the newer car that Nancy was driving, (his was paid for) and she got to keep it!

Oh, and he had to keep his life insurance payable to Nancy and keep it up to date in premium payments.

Oh, and he had to pay for health insurance for the kids until they were 18.

Oh,........and all of the kids extra-curricular activities, orthodontist, dentist, extra dr bills...............BRAD would have been responsible for them ALL!!

Can you spell MOTIVE for MURDER!!!!!!!!:eek:

JMHO
fran

[Topsail Girl]

Fran I don't believe I've ever expressed to you just how much I enjoy your posts!!! Final three chapters - I have the perfect book for him to read - he is the male version of Anne Miller Kontz. The cases are in no way similar except for the Cary addy. It's just that this guy is a male version of her. He shoudl read the entire book!! She still to this day thinks she's smarter than the cops. She still sits in jail trying to figure out where she went wrong and I beleive she'll never admit to herself that she is at fault.

[carolinalady]

I wonder if Kurtz & Blum was already retained by BC for the divorce. One of the affidavits mentions he had a divorce attorney. I honestly had never heard of them prior to this case. As mentioned previously, the big criminal cases usually have one of the Smiths (Wade/Roger), Joe Cheshire, or David Rudolph associated with it.

[raisincharlie]

I wonder if Kurtz & Blum was already retained by BC for the divorce. One of the affidavits mentions he had a divorce attorney. I honestly had never heard of them prior to this case. As mentioned previously, the big criminal cases usually have one of the Smiths (Wade/Roger), Joe Cheshire, or David Rudolph associated with it.

I suspect he already had Kurtz & Blum - Nancy had Tharrington & Smith - Alice Stubbs

[Tigerlily]

Hello,
I have not posted in several days but I am still so interested in this case b/c of my friend who's good friends with Nancy and because I live 2 hrs from Cary.

Just wanted to comment that on my friend's Facebook page, I noticed a post by another friend of Nancy's (I don't know her personally), a girl who has been quoted early on in the case as one of Nancy's close friends, had posted to my friend in April that Nancy was moving back to Canada and their house was going to go for sale soon. So this plan was known by close friends as early as April and def. explains why Brad took the passports because he knew she was leaving him and taking the kids with her.

Also, I am still reading through all the threads and trying to catch up but wanted to comment on several posters who were trying to figure out if Brad's alleged mistress, who may or may not be named Heather, lived in Cary. Don't forget that Cary is a suburb of Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, what is known as the Triangle in NC. This area is all within 30mins or so of each other, meaning he could've easily been seeing someone from a neighboring town as they all are very close and it's very common for folks that live in one of the 3 cities or suburbs to drive to a neighboring city for shopping, restaurants, entertainment, etc. So when searching for this Heather person, don't forget to search these 3 areas as well as the smaller surrounding communities.

[panthera]

Holy CARP!!! Have y'all read this???? :confused:

Any comments??? Anyone believe any of it???

http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/cooper_affidavit.pdf
I'm just reading it now. :) Items #17 & 85 sure covers his rear end for not reporting Nancy missing. Items #27 & 40 seems to be an attempt to cover up for him being out shopping in the early hours of Saturday morning. Items #58-65 I see as an attempt to explain away his "indiscretion" (alleged affair) to put himself in a better light and take away motive for killing Nancy. Items #71-82 he's trying to shift the blame for their debt on Nancy's expensive tastes and uncontrolled spending. Items #165-170 his explanation of what happened the night before Nancy's disappearance (he, the loving father took the kids home while Nancy stayed at the BBQ) and admission he went out shopping that morning but denies he bought bleach and Nancy left at 7am. And for the rest, it seems he's one very patient person who doesn't mind forfeiting his scheduled tennis game because Nancy failed to show up yet he doesn't seem disturbed at all. What a guy!! :eek:

[raisincharlie]

Hello,
I have not posted in several days but I am still so interested in this case b/c of my friend who's good friends with Nancy and because I live 2 hrs from Cary.

Just wanted to comment that on my friend's Facebook page, I noticed a post by another friend of Nancy's (I don't know her personally), a girl who has been quoted early on in the case as one of Nancy's close friends, had posted to my friend in April that Nancy was moving back to Canada and their house was going to go for sale soon. So this plan was known by close friends as early as April and def. explains why Brad took the passports because he knew she was leaving him and taking the kids with her.

Also, I am still reading through all the threads and trying to catch up but wanted to comment on several posters who were trying to figure out if Brad's alleged mistress, who may or may not be named Heather, lived in Cary. Don't forget that Cary is a suburb of Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill, what is known as the Triangle in NC. This area is all within 30mins or so of each other, meaning he could've easily been seeing someone from a neighboring town as they all are very close and it's very common for folks that live in one of the 3 cities or suburbs to drive to a neighboring city for shopping, restaurants, entertainment, etc. So when searching for this Heather person, don't forget to search these 3 areas as well as the smaller surrounding communities.

Tigerlily,

The woman in question has been positively identified. The N & O failed to redact her name prior to displaying today's affidavits. They have corrected this but not before it was noted by several here. So her name is known.

[carolinalady]

Not only that, she was going to receive 8 years of alimony, providing she wasn't remarried.

He wanted joint custody where he could see the kids on weekends and a vacation in the summer. But she was going to have to move back to Canada because she didn't have a work permit in the U.S. IMHO, that's the reason he took the kids passports away. Because if she moved to Canada, he was responsible to pay for the kids transportation back and forth, PLUS he had to pay for Nancy to accompany them on their flight.

Bet the stuck in his craw! :rolleyes:

They also had a loan on his 401K. The house proceeds were to