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Tricia
07-24-2008, 11:10 PM
Hi Everyone,

Unlike the wonderful members and posters in this forum, I have had very little time to follow this case.

This link was sent to me. I would like you all to read it and comment on it please.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

I want to understand why this person ( I think it's Jessie's dad) feels the way he does.

Thanks,
Tricia

GreenEyedGirl
07-24-2008, 11:19 PM
From blog:

It's also difficult for me to watch and listen to the bile being spewn by strangers and now PEOPLE I KNOW who hint at or come right out and accuse my son Jesse of having something to do with her disappearance. I cannot divulge any details now but when the story is revealed and all details are shared you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE YOUR WORDS. At least the Phraisees didn't throw their stones. You've thrown yours and cannot retrieve them. I have to be honest and admit I went before the Lord about dealing with this either in lawsuits or some other "form" of justice had He gave me a choice. I could do it my way or He could do it His. I chose His and it's fair to tell you that EVERY HIDDEN THING is about to revealed in the lives of those who have thrown stones during this time.

What I don't understand about this is, why can't whatever is going on be revealed?? There is an innocent child's life at stake here-it's not a game. So, reveal whatever it is already!!!

Blue_Dolphin308
07-24-2008, 11:26 PM
Tricia:

The only thing that i can say is this

We here in the forums have done some digging, and found out that the family is not being as honest as they are saying. Cindy has lied about several things, Casey has lied, and was partying with her friends when her child was missing..... And I could go on, but there is several different lies we have caught the family in....


And because of this digging, this gentlemen believes we are trashing the family. We are simply finding out stuff that the family has not been forthright with and reporting it here on the forums.

tamfish
07-24-2008, 11:28 PM
He is upset because anonymous people on message boards are suggesting that he is tied to the Mafia because of how he looks on his Myspace page, and suggesting that his son Jesse is somehow a part of Caylee's disappearance (and possibly her murder) because Jesse is involved with Caylee's mom.

I personally take anything I read on the internet with a huge grain of salt. I also have a personal rule that nothing said on the internet about me by strangers who do not know me, who post anonymously, can hurt me, no matter how vile it may be. This is because I know who and what I am, and those who know me and love me know who and what I am -- anonymous people on the 'net do not.

Jesse's dad is apparently one of those folks who lends a lot of credence to places like Myspace and Facebook and message boards.

In a case like Caylee's, theories are going to get thrown around right and left. You can be upset about it, or not. It's a choice.

Tricia
07-24-2008, 11:29 PM
Tricia:

The only thing that i can say is this

We here in the forums have done some digging, and found out that the family is not being as honest as they are saying. Cindy has lied about several things, Casey has lied, and was partying with her friends when her child was missing..... And I could go on, but there is several different lies we have caught the family in....


And because of this digging, this gentlemen believes we are trashing the family. We are simply finding out stuff that the family has not been forthright with and reporting it here on the forums.

I believe you and believe in all of you 100%. I will stand by you. I need to understand what is going on in case I am questioned about this.

Can you give me a quick rundown of what you have found out about Jessie, I need links and documents or any other back up you have.

Thanks,
Tricia
PS. we discuss true crime here. I don't want anyone to hesitate. You all are so good at not blurting out outrages rumors. I appreciate that. Stick to the facts and to your opinions. No worries.

Chilly Willy
07-24-2008, 11:40 PM
Tricia:

The only thing that i can say is this

We here in the forums have done some digging, and found out that the family is not being as honest as they are saying. Cindy has lied about several things, Casey has lied, and was partying with her friends when her child was missing..... And I could go on, but there is several different lies we have caught the family in....


And because of this digging, this gentlemen believes we are trashing the family. We are simply finding out stuff that the family has not been forthright with and reporting it here on the forums.

Please don't speak for others. I, for one, am not part of the "we" you refer to. I have not determined that Cindy has lied about anything or that any of Jesse's family has the obligation to be "forthright" to me.

Blue_Dolphin308
07-24-2008, 11:52 PM
I believe you and believe in all of you 100%. I will stand by you. I need to understand what is going on in case I am questioned about this.

Can you give me a quick rundown of what you have found out about Jessie, I need links and documents or any other back up you have.

Thanks,
Tricia
PS. we discuss true crime here. I don't want anyone to hesitate. You all are so good at not blurting out outrages rumors. I appreciate that. Stick to the facts and to your opinions. No worries.


Tricia:

I dunno what was found out about Jesse other then he is supposedly the father of caylee, but the family won't admit it. And I am sure other stuff has been found, but that I am unable to locate right now.

As far as cindy

- she lied abotu the last time she saw caylee alive
- she lied abotu the fact of having constant contact with her daughter prior to caylee going missing.

There is an actual topic posted here (http://http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67820) on all the discreperncies/lies, on the family.

Blue_Dolphin308
07-24-2008, 11:52 PM
reposting here:

Lie #2 from Cindy Anthony which came out in court today:

Cindy had emphatically told the press that Caylee's father died in a car accident and she could not remember his name, but was sure of it because she had seen the obituary.

Today, she stated under oath that she believed that Jesse Grund was Caylee's biological father and she also said that his family had taken care of Caylee a few times.

Inconsistent statement by Cindy:

Today in the court hearing, LE was clear that Cindy Anthony made conflicting statements regarding the last time she was known to be with Caylee, the grandaughter. She stated to LE in her initial statement that she last saw Caylee on or about June 8th or 9th. The Detective confronted her on July 21, 2008 with information that a video of Caylee had been made (admittedly by Cindy) on Father's Day, June 15th, at the assisted living center where her father resides.

At the bond hearing, Cindy keeps saying she was in constant contact with Casey after June 15, 2008 and that until July 15, 2008, she had no reason to ask Casey during that time where Caylee was because she knew where she was, with Casey. But, what about a myspace message that she posted, I believe the date was July 3, 2008, in which she stated that Caylee was missing and something to the effect of jealousy being the cause of Caylee being kept from her by her daughter? I am mistaken here? Was the date issue ever resolved with when that message was actually posted? Seems like a discrepancy

harleysnana
07-25-2008, 12:07 AM
Hi Everyone,

Unlike the wonderful members and posters in this forum, I have had very little time to follow this case.

This link was sent to me. I would like you all to read it and comment on it please.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

I want to understand why this person ( I think it's Jessie's dad) feels the way he does.

Thanks,
Tricia
I'm sorry... but if a cute little girl that I loved so much was missing...
the LAST thing I would do is log onto My Space let alone...post this crap!

If he is reading this I would say to him….
Websleuths is read by TONZ of people. And this site gives this case exposure
to MANY people! Regardless of if you like what we say or not!

There is a little girl missing.
Get over your self … and your son and GET OUT AND SEARCH!:banghead:

Chilly Willy
07-25-2008, 12:14 AM
I have a very difficult time understanding what's going on here. What is it that this man has done to deserve being called a mobster, a liar, a criminal, etc. Why is it "crap" for him to defend himself? Where exactly should he go to look for Caylee? Even the police don't know where to look.

Where is he being called a "mobster" on this forum? Where is he being called a "criminal" on this thread? A liar yes. That is an opinion which is protected.

RR0004
07-25-2008, 12:23 AM
I have a very difficult time understanding what's going on here. What is it that this man has done to deserve being called a mobster, a liar, a criminal, etc. Why is it "crap" for him to defend himself? Where exactly should he go to look for Caylee? Even the police don't know where to look.
Ok...I have to speak up...it didn't say he WAS a mobster...just that he looked like a mobster (well I see now that he kinda did). It was a fairly light moment on the board and there was no malicious intent IMO. Do we need to really pull every word apart? I believe with all my heart that the majority (or all that I've seen during my tenure here) of people on WS have the best intentions and the biggest hearts. I'm proud to be a member.

nursebeeme
07-25-2008, 12:25 AM
Tricia,
Hello there and that you for all that you do.

Jesse's dad is in shock. His son was in the innermost circle of the POI in this case and undoubtably he has come under scrutiny. I have not seen name anything but supposition and sleuthing IMHO.

Here is what we know about Jesse:

~he was engaged to Casey

~in the bond hearing, the grandmother testified, when asked who had cared for Caylee since she was born Grandma stated Jesse Grund and his family. When the judge asked why? Grandma answered that she thought Jesse was the father.

~Jesse has submitted his phone records to LE and also been interviewed and made a formal statement that he talked to the poi on or about 24 June for 18 minutes (per the bond hearing this was verified by LE). Jesse claims he heard Caylee in the background and her mother telling her to 'get off the table'. This was the same day Jesse was going to resign his police position.

~According to his facebook he was moving to Georgia.

~there have been multiple sightings of Caylee in Georgia as well as on a flight from Orlando to Atlanta.

http://www.wftv.com/news/16981004/detail.html

this page has links to all that I have said above except for the face book...that is on the caylee subforum and I will have to look that up

Hope this helps.
~Becky

olive
07-25-2008, 12:28 AM
He included the specific posts that offended him in his blog. Again, there was speculation whether his son could be Caylee's father and whether his tip to police of hearing Caylee on the phone on June 24th was truthful.

There has been a great deal of negative speculation regarding Cindy as well- but that is no different than what the national media has been saying.

I pointed out a new member last night by the name of Sword's Man that posted in the "Who is Caylee's FAther?" thread. Perhaps you could check this user's registered email information- I think there is a good chance this was Rev. Grund. And if it was, he had some not-so-nice things to insinuate as well.

whiteangora
07-25-2008, 12:30 AM
I have a very difficult time understanding what's going on here. What is it that this man has done to deserve being called a mobster, a liar, a criminal, etc. Why is it "crap" for him to defend himself? Where exactly should he go to look for Caylee? Even the police don't know where to look.

I don't think anyone ever actually said he WAS a mobster, only that he looked like one.
If we see someone with red fuzzy hair and a big red nose, can't we say he looks like a clown?
It's all opinions and brainstorming. I don't get why ppl get so hyper over the trivial crap. Jees..if ya can't take the heat get off the net,:confused:

SewingDeb
07-25-2008, 12:33 AM
Chilly Willy, has anyone actually called him a mobster? Or did they say he looks like one? I have had a terrible time keeping up with all of the posts but I don't believe anyone has called this man a liar or a criminal.

I can see why he would be upset at the suggestion that his son, Jesse, might be involved in the cover-up if little Caylee died in some accident or because of neglect.

liltigress
07-25-2008, 12:33 AM
I'll speak up also.

His myspace is scary! Several of us agreed as we were learning about this family from their public myspace pages.

His son, Jesse, was/is believed by a few, myself included, to be Caylee's biological father. My concern was for the paternal family of this little girl and how the Anthony family is trying to hide this fact. (Cindy has given 2 different stories). During our digging, we came across Mr. Grund's PUBLIC myspace and some of us commented on pictures that were freely posted there. He came to WS and saw what we were saying, then took offense, understandably so, but this is a very, very high profile case.

DianeB
07-25-2008, 12:35 AM
Jesse Grund filed a sworn statement with LE on Tuesday about hearing Caylee's voice during a phone conversation with Casey Anthony, the girl's mother.

The conversation occurred on June 24th.

Although it appears to dismay the Reverend, his son is involved in this case to the extent that his statement makes him the only person other than Casey to have knowledge that Caylee was alive in late June.

As far as the mobster references, the Rev. has chosen to use as his myspace picture a photo of himself holding a weapon:
http://a880.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/49/m_f229402d3f36c18b590ef4104e379db7.jpg

His indignation about being insulted in this forum would appear to be at odds with his own myspace comments:

http://i35.tinypic.com/350mb07.jpg

Slick Willie? Miss Piggy? This is an individual who is not a stranger to public insult.

Blink34
07-25-2008, 12:37 AM
Tricia, respectfully, I feel Mr. G is doing exactly what he is accusing others of- making unfounded accusations. To accuse an entire forum like that, and obviously there is no way he took the time to read through all of the posts or I can bet he would have chosen others , is an unfair generalization to all of us.

For me, I am diligent as often as I can (let's be honest a baby is dead here and Im very emotional about it) to stick to facts and follow evidence while working through the facts of the case and I vehemently stand by any post on this site since I came here from my own MP case.
I would offer to Mr. G that it is he himself who quotes scripture and very strong religious-based beliefs that drive his actions and path.
You know what, Mr. G - my guide navigates my path as well and that includes helping to find justice for a baby who cannot do it on her own.

Instead of your self-serving promotional tactics, perhaps you could actually review the evidence against your friends in this case and realize you are not practicin' what you preach my friend.

2 words:
Public Domain

Respectfully,
Blink

olive
07-25-2008, 12:38 AM
Slick Willie? Miss Piggy? This is an individual who is not a stranger to public insult.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

liltigress
07-25-2008, 12:39 AM
I also want to add a part of this blog that we could all find offensive:


But none of that matters to the Stone Throwers. They are too busy taking aim at everything and anything that seems worthwhile of their efforts. They mock, they ridicule, they accuse and they spend their days gathering rocks to throw when they sit down at the end of the day in the empt, busybody lives. Free speech does not entitle anyone to slander and libel others on the Internet. Massive lawsuits have been won against individuals and web sites in regards to this. But, I know a better Court and Righteous Judge and this is what He says about this -

Blue_Dolphin308
07-25-2008, 12:40 AM
I have a very difficult time understanding what's going on here. What is it that this man has done to deserve being called a mobster, a liar, a criminal, etc. Why is it "crap" for him to defend himself? Where exactly should he go to look for Caylee? Even the police don't know where to look.

Basically what Tricia is looking for is info incase this "uncle" tries to sue Web Sleuths.... She is not looking for a debate here. Just evidence that Websleuths has uncovered.

Chilly Willy
07-25-2008, 12:43 AM
Basically what Tricia is looking for is info incase this "uncle" tries to sue Web Sleuths.... She is not looking for a debate here. Just evidence that Websleuths has uncovered.

I'm sorry, apparently Tricia has spoken to you individually in regards to what "she's looking for". I'm going by her post in which she asked people to comment and wondered what may have made this man feel the way he does. Silly me.

Blink34
07-25-2008, 12:43 AM
I also want to add a part of this blog that we could all find offensive:


I know a rightous court and higher power too- and his kid was sitting in it and will be again- step off!

Blue_Dolphin308
07-25-2008, 12:47 AM
I'm sorry, apparently Tricia has spoken to you individually in regards to what "she's looking for". I'm going by her post in which she asked people to comment and wondered what may have made this man feel the way he does. Silly me.


Ummm since she is the owner of this forum, and has mentioned before that she has had people trying to sue her, she has the right to ask for proof, incase she does have to defend WEBSLEUTHS during a lawsuit!

And if you read above, she says the exact same thing




I believe you and believe in all of you 100%. I will stand by you. I need to understand what is going on in case I am questioned about this.

Can you give me a quick rundown of what you have found out about Jessie, I need links and documents or any other back up you have.

Thanks,
Tricia
PS. we discuss true crime here. I don't want anyone to hesitate. You all are so good at not blurting out outrages rumors. I appreciate that. Stick to the facts and to your opinions. No worries

*~Aimee~*
07-25-2008, 12:51 AM
I had sent Tricia a PM when posted this also. I thought she should be aware of any talk about WS out there. (I know has a owner/admin of my own site I would want it)

I just felt all should be aware of what I found earlier. I am sorry if I upset anyone. I didn't mean to cause such a big stir over it.

I too thought his page looked scary and "cult" type. I don't think I ever said he was in a cult. Just it looked different from what I am used to.

Chilly Willy
07-25-2008, 12:51 AM
Ummm since she is the owner of this forum, and has mentioned before that she has had people trying to sue her, she has the right to ask for proof, incase she does have to defend WEBSLEUTHS during a lawsuit!

And if you read above, she says She says the exact same thing

In her original post she asked for comments. If she has a problem with what I've posted she certainly has the ability to tell me so herself. She also has the ability to tell me where I can and can't post, being that this IS her board. No need for anyone to send PM's with huge red block letters telling me to change threads. You know what I mean?

Blue_Dolphin308
07-25-2008, 12:55 AM
In her original post she asked for comments. If she has a problem with what I've posted she certainly has the ability to tell me so herself. She also has the ability to tell me where I can and can't post, being that this IS her board. No need for anyone to send PM's with huge red block letters telling me to change threads. You know what I mean?


Yes I sent that post because we are tying to keep the threads to 20 pages at most. because when the trial starts and we need to locate important info we don't want to have to scroll throughg 20-40 page threads. its a PITA. It is simple courtasy that when asked to move to another thread we do it.




Originally Posted by SeriouslySearching http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2415213#post2415213)
When this goes to trial and we need to look things up...it becomes a nightmare with all these running threads especially when they are sooooo long!!

Besides, I asked nicely...as I always do...to move the conversation to ONE thread where everyone can participate. This way, you are leaving out half of the group who will have to now come back here to figure out what is going on in the next thread.



BTW this is totally unrealated to this topic, you have a problem with me,I would appreciate it if you bring it to me in pm. Thank you

liltigress
07-25-2008, 12:58 AM
I know a rightous court and higher power too- and his kid was sitting in it and will be again- step off!

Yeah, but according to him, us Websleuthers have nothing but "empty, busybody lives"....

I thought our lives were full of hope for a little girl we have never met! We want this baby girl found, preferably alive. The same baby girl that some of us thought may very well be his own grand daughter. My heart goes out to this family, but I think he is going about this all wrong.

LaLaw2000
07-25-2008, 01:13 AM
Hi Everyone,

Unlike the wonderful members and posters in this forum, I have had very little time to follow this case.

This link was sent to me. I would like you all to read it and comment on it please.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

I want to understand why this person ( I think it's Jessie's dad) feels the way he does.

Thanks,
Tricia

Hello, Tricia!
Thank you for sharing this link.
I see that my nic is mentioned, but you can check - I did NOT post what this guy attributed to me. My posts are on this board and can be looked up.
I think this man is wrong to attack any posters. When a child or adult is missing, there should be no boundaries. Everyone and every side should be looked at. Sometimes it is not pretty. When someone is murdered, every angle also has to be looked at.
Jesse is mentioned in the affidavit. He is real. Even Cindy Anthony brought Jesse's name up at Casey's bail hearing. We have not done anything any differently in this case than in any others.
Personally, I find this man, Jesse Grund, Sr., offensive and judgemental. Thats just my personal opinion. I do not share his beliefs and do not want to hear his sermon. He even sounds threatening.
IF he feels the way he says he does, then this might not be the place for him.
Thanks!

my2cents
07-25-2008, 01:29 AM
I have been reading WS for over a year but I have waited to reply. This did it.

Does this guy not realize that the entire family looks like a bunch of liars? Or that the grandma is covering her tracks and keeps getting caught in lies? SHE herself said on the 911 tape that the car smelled like "it had a damn dead body in it". For a week she has blamed it on a pizza. THAT's why we are targeting your friends. We are targeting Casey because she has the integrity of a flea. HER CHILD IS MISSING AND SHE IS TRYING TO BARGAIN FOR IMMUNITY. If she was such a stellar mom, she would not be sitting in jail and would be cooperating.

Of course your son is getting brought into this. He reported that he heard the child on the phone AFTER Casey claims she went missing. You are getting brought into it because you preach weird alien crazy nonsense on your PUBLIC profile. Expect ridicule because you are asking for it.

Seems to me that if this family would stay off myspace long enough to get on a plane and go to Atlanta (or where ever Grandma has received these "tips" from) more would be getting done. Most ppl would have been on a plane already!

Instead, Grandma seems to think that my prime time news should be filled with pictures of this child. I wouldn't mind watching, except that everytime this drama queen opens her mouth, I want to wretch.

We, the public, owe her NOTHING. The media owes her NOTHING. Don't tell us all to look and demand the news post this pic 24/7 because Grandma doesn't have the gonads to beat the truth out of her idiot daughter. Don't find the child. You aren't hurting the public. By sitting in jail and refusing to talk, Casey is hurting herself and her family. She is not hurting us.

And that, Mr. Grund, is my 2 cents.

drip~drop
07-25-2008, 01:37 AM
Hello, Tricia!
Thank you for sharing this link.
I see that my nic is mentioned, but you can check - I did NOT post what this guy attributed to me. My posts are on this board and can be looked up.
I think this man is wrong to attack any posters. When a child or adult is missing, there should be no boundaries. Everyone and every side should be looked at. Sometimes it is not pretty. When someone is murdered, every angle also has to be looked at.
Jesse is mentioned in the affidavit. He is real. Even Cindy Anthony brought Jesse's name up at Casey's bail hearing. We have not done anything any differently in this case than in any others.
Personally, I find this man, Jesse Grund, Sr., offensive and judgemental. Thats just my personal opinion. I do not share his beliefs and do not want to hear his sermon. He even sounds threatening.
IF he feels the way he says he does, then this might not be the place for him.
Thanks!
:clap: well said! :clap:

Elphaba
07-25-2008, 01:43 AM
I get where Mr. Grund's lashing out comes from... he has been painted in a not-so-nice light on here, though he is an innocent bystander in this case. His own posting on his blog does touch on some of the stuff that has been said about him. That alone is probably what has him disliking us for every other thing we have talked about, as well. For a reason that I have yet to figure out, people have issues with him being a reverend and into the supernatural and used it to imply he may have a role in Caylee's disappearance, and to judge his religious status. (BTW, he's not the first man of the cloth to do supernatural stuff... every day Priests bless houses to rid them of the unnatural and some have even been schooled to do exorcisms).

I think him going on the defensive has its merits, in some areas. While I do not agree with him thinking that WS members consists of empty busybody lives: I think I get why he feels that way if this is the first time he has ever come across us, and saw what was said and implied about him.

Tricia
07-25-2008, 01:45 AM
Is the Rev. Richard Jessie's dad? I haven't read the whole thread but I need to find out basics now.
And NO BEING SNIPPY with each other please. I can't take any more anger toward each other.

liltigress
07-25-2008, 01:47 AM
Yes, Tricia, he is Jesse's dad.

Elphaba
07-25-2008, 01:48 AM
From my understanding, yes, he is the young man's father.

SeriouslySearching
07-25-2008, 01:48 AM
Of course, I did make a thread concerning statements which there were discrepancies with things coming out in the media and in court hearings. I stand by that. I also asked that people post BOTH and their sources so we could see it. This had nothing to do with him that I am aware of.

Tricia, some did give him a hard time about his website and his religion. They were discussing his myspace site and content. I think we are free to express our opinions on his public forum.

I will go back and review if I said or did anything that caused him to add me to his blog...but I find it odd since I have been defending his son's statement right and left here.

Have I given opinions of Caylee's mother and grandmother? Absolutely I have! I don't recall giving any opinion on this person other than I thought they were the grandparents of the missing child due to what the maternal grandmother said on the stand and I misunderstood (according to others).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2407489&postcount=3 <post I made which concerned his family...but was following the exact words of the grandmother. I should not have titled it as Lie #2, but it contradicted at the time what I understood to be true. That all along in the press according to her...the father of the child was dead from a car accident. Then...under oath she said she believed it was this man's son. I guess the misunderstanding was in her wording of the past (according to others). She did believe it early on, but came to believe something else later.

c2cd208
07-25-2008, 01:48 AM
As some pointed out here, this man took posts that OFFENDED him, one of mine included. What happened to freedom of speach? Are we not entitled to opinions of our own and the right to voice them? He of all men, claiming to be a man of God should understand that part of being a Christian or whatever he chooses to classify himself as are now and always will be in the public eye and believers and non-believers alike will judge. We are all human. I think he needs to get his Bible back out and read more about his faith and the following he chooses.

Tricia
07-25-2008, 01:51 AM
basically what tricia is looking for is info incase this "uncle" tries to sue web sleuths.... She is not looking for a debate here. Just evidence that websleuths has uncovered.

thank you god...yes ladybass...yes...that is all i want.

Chilly Willy
07-25-2008, 01:56 AM
thank you god...yes ladybass...yes...that is all i want.

I apologize then for misunderstanding when you asked for comments and wondered what may have made this man feel as he did. And with that...I'm out of here. I have no tolerance for a site that allows innocent family members and friends of victims to be attacked and ridiculed.

CheckDaFacts
07-25-2008, 01:58 AM
:rocker:
A question was asked about Mr. Grunds ummm personal reflections.

I'm not sure why he feels the way he does. Ideas were tossed around all issue's and names tied in trying to put this horrible puzzle in place.

Mr Grund or Rev Swords Man you also posted this comment below did you not?

No, the mother stated that Jesse Grund was believed to be the father at the time of babysitting. She's not bright enough when she speaks to get things clear. The authorities seem to be believe that...

I think Mr Grund was also offended by some who found his public myspace page unusual or unique. His dark suit and his semi-automatic, or was it fully automatic gun in hand, amused and may have caused a slight quick thud shock stop to viewers. No harm or insult was or has been intentionally intended. Admit it a Reverend with a gun in hand is a lasting sight one often never gets to see.

*~Aimee~*
07-25-2008, 02:00 AM
do you want the video clip of Jesse Grund? Let me get it for you. This is how Jesse's name even got brought up.

*~Aimee~*
07-25-2008, 02:03 AM
do you want the video clip of Jesse Grund? Let me get it for you. This is how Jesse's name even got brought up.

Attorney, Boyfriend Speak
http://www.local6.com/news/16983738/detail.html

watch that video - that is how we found out his name and also on the affidavit

Tricia
07-25-2008, 02:03 AM
I have been reading WS for over a year but I have waited to reply. This did it.

Does this guy not realize that the entire family looks like a bunch of liars? Or that the grandma is covering her tracks and keeps getting caught in lies? SHE herself said on the 911 tape that the car smelled like "it had a damn dead body in it". For a week she has blamed it on a pizza. THAT's why we are targeting your friends. We are targeting Casey because she has the integrity of a flea. HER CHILD IS MISSING AND SHE IS TRYING TO BARGAIN FOR IMMUNITY. If she was such a stellar mom, she would not be sitting in jail and would be cooperating.

Of course your son is getting brought into this. He reported that he heard the child on the phone AFTER Casey claims she went missing. You are getting brought into it because you preach weird alien crazy nonsense on your PUBLIC profile. Expect ridicule because you are asking for it.

Seems to me that if this family would stay off myspace long enough to get on a plane and go to Atlanta (or where ever Grandma has received these "tips" from) more would be getting done. Most ppl would have been on a plane already!

Instead, Grandma seems to think that my prime time news should be filled with pictures of this child. I wouldn't mind watching, except that everytime this drama queen opens her mouth, I want to wretch.

We, the public, owe her NOTHING. The media owes her NOTHING. Don't tell us all to look and demand the news post this pic 24/7 because Grandma doesn't have the gonads to beat the truth out of her idiot daughter. Don't find the child. You aren't hurting the public. By sitting in jail and refusing to talk, Casey is hurting herself and her family. She is not hurting us.

And that, Mr. Grund, is my 2 cents.

Welcome My2Cents,

I am glad you finally posted...and what a post. I agree with everything.

Ok, standby my friends, I'll have a bit more info in a moment.

Truly
07-25-2008, 02:23 AM
Dear Tricia,

The mother, as well as the maternal grandmother, of the missing child have insisted that the mother knows where the child is and that the only reason she has not spoken to police is because there have been significant 'threats'.

I would highly recommend passing along any threatening accusations made by anyone connected to the child to the FBI who are working on this case. They may wish to follow up.

Sincerely ~Truly

In My Opinion

Tricia
07-25-2008, 02:26 AM
Dear Tricia,

The mother, as well as the maternal grandmother, of the missing child have insisted that the mother knows where the child is and that the only reason she has not spoken to police is because there have been significant 'threats'.

I would highly recommend passing along any threatening accusations made by anyone connected to the child to the FBI who are working on this case. They may wish to follow up.R

Sincerely ~Truly

Truly,

That is a great idea. Why would someone be more worried about us, after he posted all his crap on his own site, therefore he is a public figure, rather than trying to help.

Rather than threaten to sue me why not start a dialog with me.
Don't get it.

SuziQ
07-25-2008, 02:31 AM
From blog:

It's also difficult for me to watch and listen to the bile being spewn by strangers and now PEOPLE I KNOW who hint at or come right out and accuse my son Jesse of having something to do with her disappearance. I cannot divulge any details now but when the story is revealed and all details are shared you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE YOUR WORDS. At least the Phraisees didn't throw their stones. You've thrown yours and cannot retrieve them. I have to be honest and admit I went before the Lord about dealing with this either in lawsuits or some other "form" of justice had He gave me a choice. I could do it my way or He could do it His. I chose His and it's fair to tell you that EVERY HIDDEN THING is about to revealed in the lives of those who have thrown stones during this time.

What I don't understand about this is, why can't whatever is going on be revealed?? There is an innocent child's life at stake here-it's not a game. So, reveal whatever it is already!!!


Hmmmm, evidently public posters aren't the only one's questioning his son's involvement. I think he should be more concerned that people he knows are pointing fingers, than about what the rest of us think.

Blue_Dolphin308
07-25-2008, 02:40 AM
Of course, I did make a thread concerning statements which there were discrepancies with things coming out in the media and in court hearings. I stand by that. I also asked that people post BOTH and their sources so we could see it. This had nothing to do with him that I am aware of.

Tricia, some did give him a hard time about his website and his religion. They were discussing his myspace site and content. I think we are free to express our opinions on his public forum.

I will go back and review if I said or did anything that caused him to add me to his blog...but I find it odd since I have been defending his son's statement right and left here.

Have I given opinions of Caylee's mother and grandmother? Absolutely I have! I don't recall giving any opinion on this person other than I thought they were the grandparents of the missing child due to what the maternal grandmother said on the stand and I misunderstood (according to others).

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2407489&postcount=3 <post I made which concerned his family...but was following the exact words of the grandmother. I should not have titled it as Lie #2, but it contradicted at the time what I understood to be true. That all along in the press according to her...the father of the child was dead from a car accident. Then...under oath she said she believed it was this man's son. I guess the misunderstanding was in her wording of the past (according to others). She did believe it early on, but came to believe something else later.

Please know that I was not directing anything towards you. I wasn't accusing you of anything nor was saying you said anything wrong. I feel that they are involved as well, cindy moreso then she says she is.

my2cents
07-25-2008, 02:40 AM
Tricia,

I haven't read each and every post, but opinions are exempt from slander/libel. Unless there has been an out and out statement that the person murdered the child and it was done with malice, he has no basis for a law suit. No atty in the world would take a borderline case because there is not alot of money in a slander/libel case. It could even be questioned as to whether he is putting himself out there as a public figure, claiming to be a reverend, recruiting ppl to his "religion", and associating himself with the case via his myspace page. (Depending on Florida law).

There would have to be posts accusing him of a criminal act. It is one thing to say he did it and another to wonder if he had played a role in it (ex. "I wonder if he had a role in this?"

Everybody, just make sure that you state that something is your opinion! ex. "In my opinion, he looks like a mobster" or "in my opinion so and so is involved in the murder". None of these are my opinions, just examples.

SeriouslySearching
07-25-2008, 02:44 AM
Doesn't ....I think or I believe qualify the statement as an opinion?

kathyn2
07-25-2008, 02:47 AM
To Jesse's father that is posting: I haven't even brought up your family or son in my postings here but if someone has some news or story that proves where Caylee is and what the true story is, please please please reveal it to the police and to the public. This needs to be put to rest. It should not be a secret or something you can't reveal. I do hope you and your family have at least revealed everything to Law Enforcement. I am going to assume you have done the right thing and have done that. At least that way maybe the case can come to an end. Personally I think 1 person only, Casey, is responsible for her poor baby that has gone missing. I believe she is dancing with Jesus which is about the only thing good in this case.



From blog:

It's also difficult for me to watch and listen to the bile being spewn by strangers and now PEOPLE I KNOW who hint at or come right out and accuse my son Jesse of having something to do with her disappearance. I cannot divulge any details now but when the story is revealed and all details are shared you WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE YOUR WORDS. At least the Phraisees didn't throw their stones. You've thrown yours and cannot retrieve them. I have to be honest and admit I went before the Lord about dealing with this either in lawsuits or some other "form" of justice had He gave me a choice. I could do it my way or He could do it His. I chose His and it's fair to tell you that EVERY HIDDEN THING is about to revealed in the lives of those who have thrown stones during this time.

What I don't understand about this is, why can't whatever is going on be revealed?? There is an innocent child's life at stake here-it's not a game. So, reveal whatever it is already!!!

Tricia
07-25-2008, 02:48 AM
Tricia,

I haven't read each and every post, but opinions are exempt from slander/libel. Unless there has been an out and out statement that the person murdered the child and it was done with malice, he has no basis for a law suit. No atty in the world would take a borderline case because there is not alot of money in a slander/libel case. It could even be questioned as to whether he is putting himself out there as a public figure, claiming to be a reverend, recruiting ppl to his "religion", and associating himself with the case via his myspace page. (Depending on Florida law).

There would have to be posts accusing him of a criminal act. It is one thing to say he did it and another to wonder if he had played a role in it (ex. "I wonder if he had a role in this?"

Everybody, just make sure that you state that something is your opinion! ex. "In my opinion, he looks like a mobster" or "in my opinion so and so is involved in the murder". None of these are my opinions, just examples.

You are right my dear. The only problem is anyone can sue. He wouldn't win. It would be tossed because I would fight it tooth and nail of course. I'm hoping someone talks some sense into because all he will do is lose his money. And it would cost me money too.

He needs to get his priorities straight...IN MY OPINION...

Tricia
07-25-2008, 02:51 AM
Hello, Tricia!
Thank you for sharing this link.
I see that my nic is mentioned, but you can check - I did NOT post what this guy attributed to me. My posts are on this board and can be looked up.
I think this man is wrong to attack any posters. When a child or adult is missing, there should be no boundaries. Everyone and every side should be looked at. Sometimes it is not pretty. When someone is murdered, every angle also has to be looked at.
Jesse is mentioned in the affidavit. He is real. Even Cindy Anthony brought Jesse's name up at Casey's bail hearing. We have not done anything any differently in this case than in any others.
Personally, I find this man, Jesse Grund, Sr., offensive and judgemental. Thats just my personal opinion. I do not share his beliefs and do not want to hear his sermon. He even sounds threatening.
IF he feels the way he says he does, then this might not be the place for him.
Thanks!

I believe you my dear. No worries. Just keep on keeping on and keep posting. This sweet little angel needs to be found.

my2cents
07-25-2008, 02:52 AM
Doesn't ....I think or I believe qualify the statement as an opinion?

I don't know if this was directed to Tricia or me? I don't know Florida law, but slander and libel are torts and vary by each state. The same basic rules apply to all, but each has subtle differences (such as what an opinion actually is). I'd keep it "in my opinion" to be on the safe side. Maybe Tricia knows more about the law as I am guessing she has received a letter or email from him stating his intents and has probably consulted a lawyer regarding the appropriate laws.

CheckDaFacts
07-25-2008, 02:55 AM
:eek: I cannot divulge any details now THIS PER HIS COMMENTS

He has knowlege or info more than we?
Hope the PD has it all as well.

He also prior said it made no sense for Casey to have lft her veh in a 24/7 lot with cameras. I think it was on the 23rd or 24th @ 9:47 PM approx.... So who had and left the vehicle, Cindy accused her own daughter of stealing it on the 911 tape released today.

SeriouslySearching
07-25-2008, 03:35 AM
I don't know if this was directed to Tricia or me? I don't know Florida law, but slander and libel are torts and vary by each state. The same basic rules apply to all, but each has subtle differences (such as what an opinion actually is). I'd keep it "in my opinion" to be on the safe side. Maybe Tricia knows more about the law as I am guessing she has received a letter or email from him stating his intents and has probably consulted a lawyer regarding the appropriate laws.Thank you for answering.

Faenorwyn
07-25-2008, 04:50 AM
Hi Everyone,

Unlike the wonderful members and posters in this forum, I have had very little time to follow this case.

This link was sent to me. I would like you all to read it and comment on it please.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

I want to understand why this person ( I think it's Jessie's dad) feels the way he does.

Thanks,
Tricia

Hi Tricia, I'm new to posting here on websleuths but I wanted to offer up my take on the situation. Based on the fact that Cindy stated she believed Jesse to be the father, many of us checked out Jesse's myspace. In his top friends we found his father. Some of the members commented on Mr. Grund's myspace page...I am not prepared to quote anyone but I recall that someone said they thought he looked like a mobster. Someone said the whole webpage seemed a little cult-ish to them. Someone said Mr. Grund looked like a popular TV character. These were all opinions - I don't recall anyone saying that he was involved with Caylee's disappearance, but the idea could very well have been tossed around. Mr. Grund's myspace page is not what would be considered "normal" IN MY OPINION - there are statements made and photos posted on his site which do not fall in line with MY personal beliefs. I chose not to comment on it here on websleuths because I don't feel that this is what this forum is for. If I think Mr. Grund is weird or his lifestyle is strange, what does that have to do with little Caylee? Nothing. So I chose not to comment.

I think what it comes down to is that Mr. Grund was upset, hurt and offended. I probably would be too if I were in his position. However that is just one thing that we don't have any control over. As long as this forum is public, there's always a chance that a victim, family member or friend is going to read something (someone's OPINION) that they do not like or that offends them. But if none of us spoke our opinions, or tossed out ideas.........what would be the purpose of this forum?

Although I didn't personally make any of the offensive comments about Mr. Grund, his son Jesse or their myspace pages.....I did offer up my apology to any friends and family who were offended by anything I might have said. I think that is the responsible thing to do and I certainly don't like the thought of adding to the pain that a victim (or their friends/family) may already be dealing with, but again......just my opinion!!

PS _ Thank you Tricia for this forum......the work that the members here are doing is fantastic!!!!

lisalei321
07-25-2008, 05:16 AM
Just out of curiousity (and as ever always my opinion), I would like to respectfully inquire why the Rev. Grund targeted Websleuths? We are hardly the only public forum discussing this case (not sure of the rules about listing other sites, need to read the TOS for clarification). But I can say, in my opinion, we've been mild compared to some others I've read.

MistyM
07-25-2008, 05:22 AM
if you put a search in for 'jessie grund' websleuths is the first actual message board that comes up. maybe that's what led him here.

Patience
07-25-2008, 06:25 AM
I apologize then for misunderstanding when you asked for comments and wondered what may have made this man feel as he did. And with that...I'm out of here. I have no tolerance for a site that allows innocent family members and friends of victims to be attacked and ridiculed.

Noone is being attacked or ridiculed here, certainly not that I have read. A wee girl is missing and possibly dead. We at Websleuths care about her and her whereabouts. We might get emotional but I have not seen or read anything that can bring about a lawsuit.

Goodbye Chilly Willy, you will not find a more honest and caring site than this one with people from all over coming together to help others and victims of crime.

Tricia, like SS says, check the thread about family discrepencies as I think most of the "opinions' and discrespencies are quoted there. I personally said that I am blown away that the Grandma claims in the 911 call that there is a smell of a dead body in the car but she missed telling Nancy Grace that very important piece of info esp. since Grandpa George was in LE for 10 years and knew what that smell was!

Patience
07-25-2008, 06:34 AM
Tricia, here is Mr. Grund's page with the quotes he has taken from this site.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

Mohabi
07-25-2008, 06:54 AM
I apologize then for misunderstanding when you asked for comments and wondered what may have made this man feel as he did. And with that...I'm out of here. I have no tolerance for a site that allows innocent family members and friends of victims to be attacked and ridiculed.

I am sure that it feels like an attack when you are on the other side of the fence but, what we do here is to explore ALL possibilities, to leave no stone unturned and most important of all, our statements are our OPINIONS.

close_enough
07-25-2008, 07:15 AM
i never paid any attention to posts about this Rev...i scrolled right past them...heck, i didn't even look at his blog until now....i simply never found anything of interest regarding him, & this case....his son might be Caylee's Daddy, is all i know....

i sure hope you don't have to get involved in a lawsuit, Tricia...he wouldn't win, IMO, but i'm sure you have better things to do....good grief!!....bless you!

Blink34
07-25-2008, 08:56 AM
I don't know if this was directed to Tricia or me? I don't know Florida law, but slander and libel are torts and vary by each state. The same basic rules apply to all, but each has subtle differences (such as what an opinion actually is). I'd keep it "in my opinion" to be on the safe side. Maybe Tricia knows more about the law as I am guessing she has received a letter or email from him stating his intents and has probably consulted a lawyer regarding the appropriate laws.

Regardless of the state the finding of fact burden must be that a person or persons "..intentionally via written or spoken word.." mis-stated a verifiable fact about said person or party..
An opinion is not any of those, although several are based on Mr. Grund's own site as well as his son's various postings. The reality is anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, however, they would need to be prepared to provide evidence supporting such claim as to mistatements of facts and I feel confident that Mr. Grund and any of his associates have no interest in opening that CAN..

On the other hand, if Mr. Grund is making an accusation as it appears on his site that someone from here hacked into his wife's myspace, that would BE A verifiable fact that might subject Mr. Grund to a lawsuit of his own.

Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion on this matter and should not be construed as professional legal advice. Those seeking legal advice regarding any matter, should only do so through the attorney that has been retained for same.

I for one am curious as to how he defends the Anthony family on his site, but condems Mrs. Anthony and Casey here.

gypsiechavi
07-25-2008, 09:05 AM
Hello all. I know I'm new to posting in this discussion, but I was just so disgusted last night with this case I felt compelled to post.

Last night as I was lying in bed about to fall asleep I kept running the same thought over in my head.

There is no shame.

No one today seems to have any shame or pride. Nothing is private. It used to be only your close friends and family knew who you were as a person and could make judgment calls on your life. It used to be that if you acted out or did something questionable, they called you on it and you were held accountable by your own shame. With sites like myspace and facebook, blogs and social networking in general I see young people and some older folks posting the most ridiculously private and shameful things as if they were proud of them.

Thankfully not everyone uses these sites to bloat their egos by sharing with the entire world how they partied their a$$es off all weekend, did drugs, slept with multiple people, etc. But many in this younger generation do just this. Oh and there are lot's of photo's and video's posted to back up their claims of coolness.

I myself am 38 years old. I have three children. I was part of the "latch key" generation. My parents could've cared less about where I was, as long as I was home before the street lights came on. And if I were caught doing something bad I was held accountable. No if's and's or but's about it. I knew there would be consequences. And if I did do something crazy or silly or kid-like, then it was a SECRET. Something which usually was later found out by the people who knew me (Mom, Dad, etc) and I was once again held accountable. I had learned SHAME and PRIDE through good choices. I had developed that little voice that guides my actions. I had a conscience.

Now, hang with me here for a second. There are a few things in the above equation that are responsible for the learning of shame and pride in good choices and it shaped my behavior.

First of all, fear. I was fearful of the consequences of my actions or poor choices. Secondly, my group of friends (as we had no internet and had to go outside to seek friendships) was smaller. I was less likely to meet people who didn't really care about me and encouraged me to make poor choices. Oh there were those people around but not 500 of them on myspace egging me on. Instead I had one or two best friends (not BFF's but REAL friends) that always pulled me back to reality. I also had Grandparents who guided me in the absence of my mother and step-father. They EXPECTED something more of me than to run around like a lunatic doing whatever I wanted. And then I also had the sense of community that kept me grounded knowing that I would be the talk of the town. Like the time two friends and I drove my mothers car down the street and got caught. People who knew us, saw us and told my mother without fear my mother would turn things around on them. She would actually direct her frustration where it belonged.....with me. Scolding me and teaching me a lesson about lying, stealing and respect.

Now I see these kids all over these social networking sites bragging about things I would've been embarrassed of then and now. They are "best friends" egging one another on, encouraging shameful behavior. There is no respect for one's self or respect for others. There is bullying and promiscuity, false pride and disrespect. There is no real and true parental presence in their lives.

For example, my niece. She has a myspace page and has had this page since she was 12 years old. Her mother knows but either doesn't understand or doesn't care. I became "friends" with her on her page. One day I noticed she posted pictures of herself that were very questionable, as well as pictures and video of the front of her home, the school and grade she was in, etc. Things a pedophile could see and use to hurt her. First thing I did was call her mother to warn her. And guess what happened? I was screamed at on the phone! I think her mother felt embarrassed and "bothered" by it instead of concerned and appreciative of the information. I did not in any way approach her with venom or in order to shame her parenting skills. I was genuinely concerned for this child and the direction in which she was headed. Just like when I was a kid and called out for "borrowing" my mothers car and my neighbor reported to my mother my activities. Except like I said earlier, my mother held ME accountable and not my accuser. After all, they were my actions. I had to own them.

And so after turning this over in my head and relating it to this case I have an opinion of my own. And indeed part of that opinion is based on things I have read on this family's myspace pages they felt the need to make public just as if we knew one another personally and lived in the same town. I guess we could call that town the internet.

I believe this Casey girl (dare I call her a woman) cares nothing about anyone but herself. She does not see past her own nose. She is disconnected with the real world. Her family, as it appears to me, cannot handle her. There is/was no accountability or discipline. There is no shame. I am fairly sure Casey could pretty much do whatever she wanted without any real consequences because either her parents just threw their hands up and she had plenty of party friends encouraging her to continue with her shameful behavior, or she is just plain crazy. Either way someone should have stepped in long ago and rescued that child from a mother like that. After all, it is obvious in this little town we call the internet that she did not respect herself or others. She lies. She steals. She is promiscuous. She is irresponsible. In any town in the United States she would be viewed as the girl you don't bring home to your mother. Of course that would have been a generation ago..........

And so I have one thing to say to the family, to Casey, to the father or boyfriend and his family. SHAME ON YOU. Shame on you for not being engaged in your daughters life enough to care about her and her child. To not care enough to do something before any of this happened. To not care enough to do something now but point fingers at everyone but yourself. Shame on you for attacking and blaming others who just call it like they see it. After all, if you had cared long before this, maybe it would have never happened and no one would even know your name.

texas48
07-25-2008, 09:18 AM
I am fairly new to WS and must say I find these boards informative. The people here seem to truly care about the missing, the abused, the victims. In this country we can speak our thoughts without being threatened. That is what is so great about this country..we have these boards where we can express our thoughts and our opinions and our sadness and ever so often a happy note. The people here can SHARE. I for one went onto his myspace, saw what it was and got off as quick as I could. It scared the heck out of me and I am 60 yrs old. I am pretty much confined to my house and sometimes to my bed due to medical problems so I have pretty much read all comments. I have not heard any statements that would be cause for concern for WS. Some of us do not care for his myspace so we can TURN it off. He does not have to read WS, he can turn it off. That is called freedom. He does appear strange looking on his site. I CAN SAY THAT....I, along with many many others THANK WS for being her for us. WE ALL STAND BESIDE YOU TRICE. Thanks for all your caring and all you do for all.

texas48
07-25-2008, 09:34 AM
Tricia..I am sorry for my ranting. I know you were asking for certain things and not a debate. It hurts me so bad when someone like this man wants alittle attention (his 5 min of fame) and trys to bring down something like WS down. He should go on NG and complain his heart out. Keep up the good work..we are here for you.

Elley Mae
07-25-2008, 09:55 AM
Hi Tricia..I know that I brought Jesse up more than once,He was known about IIRC early on,and was questioned by LE IIRC early on. On July 22 he shows up (the day of the bail hearing for Casey) at the court house/or police station to give a statement that he had spoken to Casey on June 24th or 25th and had heard Caylee in the background. Well I then questioned why he had not told LE that the first he had spoke to them. I saw his Dad's Myspace and I have no comment,but did agree with what was being said.

capoly
07-25-2008, 10:08 AM
He's an exhibition on displaced anger.


Tricia,

It's recommended these days to have a protocol in place should one's child disappear. Obviously, I wouldn't want anything to happen to my grandchildren but were somthing to- your site, Websleuths, is on my list of 'immediate notifications'. You have members nationwide who would immediately go into action with all their heart and soul. Certainly I wouldn't worry about a little negativeness when the positiveness of this site is so obvious.

I believe there are posts about a trucking company in Georgia spreading the word to look for Caylee to it's drivers. Mr. Grund didn't see the good in this?

Again I write that Cindy Anthony said something along the lines of "call me a B!!!!, just keep looking for Caylee".

Thank you for your site and the members for their efforts.

DeltaDawn
07-25-2008, 10:35 AM
Unbeleivable..Caylee is missing, a child Mr Grund and his family seem to know well and care about............and he is goggling his name and his son's name on the interent and then thinking of suing people? Wow, I am surprised he isn't more concerned with finding Caylee and thinking anyone that comes under scrutiny right now, well so be it, if it helps to bring this sweet little girl home.

As always my signature line is Just My Humble Opinion.

OneLostGrl
07-25-2008, 11:27 AM
Hello all. I know I'm new to posting in this discussion, but I was just so disgusted last night with this case I felt compelled to post.

Last night as I was lying in bed about to fall asleep I kept running the same thought over in my head.

There is no shame.

No one today seems to have any shame or pride. Nothing is private. It used to be only your close friends and family knew who you were as a person and could make judgment calls on your life. It used to be that if you acted out or did something questionable, they called you on it and you were held accountable by your own shame. With sites like myspace and facebook, blogs and social networking in general I see young people and some older folks posting the most ridiculously private and shameful things as if they were proud of them.

....................................

I believe this Casey girl (dare I call her a woman) cares nothing about anyone but herself. She does not see past her own nose. She is disconnected with the real world. Her family, as it appears to me, cannot handle her. There is/was no accountability or discipline. There is no shame. I am fairly sure Casey could pretty much do whatever she wanted without any real consequences because either her parents just threw their hands up and she had plenty of party friends encouraging her to continue with her shameful behavior, or she is just plain crazy. Either way someone should have stepped in long ago and rescued that child from a mother like that. After all, it is obvious in this little town we call the internet that she did not respect herself or others. She lies. She steals. She is promiscuous. She is irresponsible. In any town in the United States she would be viewed as the girl you don't bring home to your mother. Of course that would have been a generation ago..........

And so I have one thing to say to the family, to Casey, to the father or boyfriend and his family. SHAME ON YOU. Shame on you for not being engaged in your daughters life enough to care about her and her child. To not care enough to do something before any of this happened. To not care enough to do something now but point fingers at everyone but yourself. Shame on you for attacking and blaming others who just call it like they see it. After all, if you had cared long before this, maybe it would have never happened and no one would even know your name.

Shortened for space but I wanted to say Excellent post! Just excellent and so friggin' true!

My own mother was the type you describe above, my entire life she made excuses for my behavior and I was never held accountable for my actions no matter what I did. Well, that is.. until I became an adult and mommy couldnt keep me out of trouble anymore.

Anyway, I don't want to hijack, I just wanted to respond to your post! :clap::clap:

saqqara
07-25-2008, 11:29 AM
Good morning everyone. I have two comments here, both in defence of this site and Mr. Grund and then a reminder for all.

I am a 38 year old mother of two, and a professional. I also listen to heavy metal music and have a very active lifestyle every second weekend when I don't have my kids. I have "questionable" friends. Mostly because my qualities for people have nothing to do with status or appearance or age. I like real people who are self-aware.

This leads to often a very amusing comments by my professional colleagues, my children and my fabulous and deeply christian ex in-laws. But they know me. They know I am good person, hard worker AND frankly I am a fabulous mother. They don't judge what I do, or what it looks like I am into.

Often I am bothered when people assume I am either a bad parent, into drugs or "scattered brained" because of my choice of music or because I go out every second weekend. But I have learned to shrug it off. I know, and the people that matter know, that no matter the appearance. I am a GOOD, KIND, HONEST person. Think what you will.

To Mr. Grund, if you are an odd person or someone others don't understand. .. I'm sorry you were hurt by people's comments. But you shouldn't be and don't worry - if you are a strong and upright individual opinions of strangers do not matter. Keep look for Caylee.

BUT if something said about you or your family or the myspace pages really bothered you, perhaps you need to think about the things you post. . . perhaps it bothers you because you arer not comfortable with that image. Just a thought, if that's not the case. Don't change. Be you.

To the people of this site. If you are here for the right reasons and all you want is to toss out ideas to try and assist LE and others to find this beautiful girl. Don't worry keep doing what you are doing.

BUT . . . if you were ashamed or second guessed what you said about Mr. Grund or others. Remember the lesson and pause before your next opinion is stated and perhaps make sure the language is less acrimonious. But don't stop posting and leave. You are here for the right reasons.

my2cents
07-25-2008, 03:21 PM
Regardless of the state the finding of fact burden must be that a person or persons "..intentionally via written or spoken word.." mis-stated a verifiable fact about said person or party..
An opinion is not any of those, although several are based on Mr. Grund's own site as well as his son's various postings. The reality is anyone can sue anyone for almost anything, however, they would need to be prepared to provide evidence supporting such claim as to mistatements of facts and I feel confident that Mr. Grund and any of his associates have no interest in opening that CAN..

I completely agree. There has not been anything (that I have read that) that has stated that he was involved in anyway. If there is nothing with respect to intentional statements, then he is not going to be able to prove the element of malice. He hasn't got a leg to stand on with this. No atty in their right mind would even take this case, imo. Regardless if the burden is on him or not, these statements do not merit a claim in tort. A judge would toss this out.

IN MY OPINION this guy is a raving loon just like the rest of the tools involved. And he is STILL commenting on his own blog today about what we are commenting on!

Cheri_G
07-25-2008, 05:08 PM
You are right my dear. The only problem is anyone can sue. He wouldn't win. It would be tossed because I would fight it tooth and nail of course. I'm hoping someone talks some sense into because all he will do is lose his money. And it would cost me money too.

He needs to get his priorities straight...IN MY OPINION...

Hi Tricia,

I don't think you need to worry about the good Rev. Grund suing you or anyone since apparently God has told him not to.


I have to be honest and admit I went before the Lord about dealing with this either in lawsuits or some other "form" of justice had He gave me a choice. I could do it my way or He could do it His. I chose His and it's fair to tell you that EVERY HIDDEN THING is about to revealed in the lives of those who have thrown stones during this time.

In my unprofessional (I'm not a lawyer) opinion the posts he quoted, which I assume are the ones he has issues with, are clearly opinion.

Personally I think he's just using the situation to grandstand for his friends and followers. If he was truly concerned with Caylee and how the family is coping, he'd be out helping them and not on the computer looking for a fight.

Openmyeyes
07-25-2008, 05:27 PM
Tricia;

As a 5 year + member I came to WS looking for information about a very prominent case and what I found was a phenominal group of people that have huge hearts, keen thinking ability and the desire to share information AND opinions. I was directed to this site from another very high profile forum and found the integrity of the moderators and members to be the highest on the internet.

In the past news of these cases were so one dimensional. One would read about it in the papers, or perhaps hear about it on tv. Now we can keep up with them in real time.
Thanks to the internet we can get answers to questions, we can learn specifics, and we can bare our souls, if we choose. What the Rev. Grund needs to realize is that what we are speculating is probably what his neighbors and acquaintances are speculating, as well, only they might be afraid to express it.

This is a perplexing and heart-wrenching case. Too many of the immediate and visible
people at the center of this have publicly tried divert attention from themselves and areas where an investigation would naturally go. Why? We are discussing the why's and we can discuss the why's.

This site has helped in cases in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. I am proud to be a member of it.

OME

my2cents
07-25-2008, 05:34 PM
Quote:

"I have to be honest and admit I went before the Lord about dealing with this either in lawsuits or some other "form" of justice had He gave me a choice. I could do it my way or He could do it His. I chose His and it's fair to tell you that EVERY HIDDEN THING is about to revealed in the lives of those who have thrown stones during this time."

IN MY OPINION ONLY, I bet he is making Kool-aid for his following as we speak. :crazy:

songline
07-25-2008, 05:48 PM
Hi Everyone,

Unlike the wonderful members and posters in this forum, I have had very little time to follow this case.

This link was sent to me. I would like you all to read it and comment on it please.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=417843893

I want to understand why this person ( I think it's Jessie's dad) feels the way he does.

Thanks,
Tricia
Tricia;
I am not sure, but something is telling me he is in denial about who and what his son may be about. I do not see any reason for him to get so ruffled unless he is worried about his son.
I did not have time to follow this story, but did read the link you sent us to: it seems that he got into it not only because he knows the little girl but also because his son has something to do with this case.
Sometimes it is very hard for a parent to deal and cope: What is easier to do is blame, point fingers, and create a diversion;
I RECOMMEND THAT THAT THREAD BE combed and cleaned of all attacks. (but they must have a copy already)
a sticky go on that thread that tell posters that no blame or attack is acceptable without bringing evidence. They may need money and you may be a trget for it.

GreenEyedGirl
07-25-2008, 06:40 PM
Hello all. I know I'm new to posting in this discussion, but I was just so disgusted last night with this case I felt compelled to post.

Last night as I was lying in bed about to fall asleep I kept running the same thought over in my head.

There is no shame.

No one today seems to have any shame or pride. Nothing is private. It used to be only your close friends and family knew who you were as a person and could make judgment calls on your life. It used to be that if you acted out or did something questionable, they called you on it and you were held accountable by your own shame. With sites like myspace and facebook, blogs and social networking in general I see young people and some older folks posting the most ridiculously private and shameful things as if they were proud of them.

Thankfully not everyone uses these sites to bloat their egos by sharing with the entire world how they partied their a$$es off all weekend, did drugs, slept with multiple people, etc. But many in this younger generation do just this. Oh and there are lot's of photo's and video's posted to back up their claims of coolness.

I myself am 38 years old. I have three children. I was part of the "latch key" generation. My parents could've cared less about where I was, as long as I was home before the street lights came on. And if I were caught doing something bad I was held accountable. No if's and's or but's about it. I knew there would be consequences. And if I did do something crazy or silly or kid-like, then it was a SECRET. Something which usually was later found out by the people who knew me (Mom, Dad, etc) and I was once again held accountable. I had learned SHAME and PRIDE through good choices. I had developed that little voice that guides my actions. I had a conscience.

Now, hang with me here for a second. There are a few things in the above equation that are responsible for the learning of shame and pride in good choices and it shaped my behavior.

First of all, fear. I was fearful of the consequences of my actions or poor choices. Secondly, my group of friends (as we had no internet and had to go outside to seek friendships) was smaller. I was less likely to meet people who didn't really care about me and encouraged me to make poor choices. Oh there were those people around but not 500 of them on myspace egging me on. Instead I had one or two best friends (not BFF's but REAL friends) that always pulled me back to reality. I also had Grandparents who guided me in the absence of my mother and step-father. They EXPECTED something more of me than to run around like a lunatic doing whatever I wanted. And then I also had the sense of community that kept me grounded knowing that I would be the talk of the town. Like the time two friends and I drove my mothers car down the street and got caught. People who knew us, saw us and told my mother without fear my mother would turn things around on them. She would actually direct her frustration where it belonged.....with me. Scolding me and teaching me a lesson about lying, stealing and respect.

Now I see these kids all over these social networking sites bragging about things I would've been embarrassed of then and now. They are "best friends" egging one another on, encouraging shameful behavior. There is no respect for one's self or respect for others. There is bullying and promiscuity, false pride and disrespect. There is no real and true parental presence in their lives.

For example, my niece. She has a myspace page and has had this page since she was 12 years old. Her mother knows but either doesn't understand or doesn't care. I became "friends" with her on her page. One day I noticed she posted pictures of herself that were very questionable, as well as pictures and video of the front of her home, the school and grade she was in, etc. Things a pedophile could see and use to hurt her. First thing I did was call her mother to warn her. And guess what happened? I was screamed at on the phone! I think her mother felt embarrassed and "bothered" by it instead of concerned and appreciative of the information. I did not in any way approach her with venom or in order to shame her parenting skills. I was genuinely concerned for this child and the direction in which she was headed. Just like when I was a kid and called out for "borrowing" my mothers car and my neighbor reported to my mother my activities. Except like I said earlier, my mother held ME accountable and not my accuser. After all, they were my actions. I had to own them.

And so after turning this over in my head and relating it to this case I have an opinion of my own. And indeed part of that opinion is based on things I have read on this family's myspace pages they felt the need to make public just as if we knew one another personally and lived in the same town. I guess we could call that town the internet.

I believe this Casey girl (dare I call her a woman) cares nothing about anyone but herself. She does not see past her own nose. She is disconnected with the real world. Her family, as it appears to me, cannot handle her. There is/was no accountability or discipline. There is no shame. I am fairly sure Casey could pretty much do whatever she wanted without any real consequences because either her parents just threw their hands up and she had plenty of party friends encouraging her to continue with her shameful behavior, or she is just plain crazy. Either way someone should have stepped in long ago and rescued that child from a mother like that. After all, it is obvious in this little town we call the internet that she did not respect herself or others. She lies. She steals. She is promiscuous. She is irresponsible. In any town in the United States she would be viewed as the girl you don't bring home to your mother. Of course that would have been a generation ago..........

And so I have one thing to say to the family, to Casey, to the father or boyfriend and his family. SHAME ON YOU. Shame on you for not being engaged in your daughters life enough to care about her and her child. To not care enough to do something before any of this happened. To not care enough to do something now but point fingers at everyone but yourself. Shame on you for attacking and blaming others who just call it like they see it. After all, if you had cared long before this, maybe it would have never happened and no one would even know your name.


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:VERY well said!!! I was raised the same way-the consequences of my actions were my problem and still are to this day.

Leviosa
08-08-2008, 01:49 PM
Bravo, braavvooo! Bravo! [huge whistling crowd in the background!]

If you don't mind I have a few comments based on the magnificent post above. Of the first part, your writing skills are second to none. The reason I state this is I am a writer and it is a difficult task to try and 'say the way things were' let alone to write about those issues and bring real meaning to the words. With me? (Sorry, it's hard to 'say' in words what you've done so eloquently in written form—a very difficult task!)

I totally agree with your assessment vis-a-vie the Anthony family and the inconsequential behavior demonstrated by Casey; however, something deep in my heart feels that if Caylee wasn't under the direct care of Cindy for the first two years of her life, then Casey would have been put on the street far earlier.

People seem to feel as though it was Casey's decision to leave the Anthony's dwelling. I don't feel this way at all. I feel that, 'that point' had come to Cindy and unfortunately Caylee was the leverage used to manipulate her. (Example: "DRAMMAA!") Furthermore, I feel Casey has manipulated everything and everybody throughout her life and now she may be in a situation where 'one meets those who are a little smarter, little wiser, and a lot more experienced,' hence, unable to manipulate LE.

Nonetheless as far as this 'Reverend' is concerned, as well as all of the Anthony's, and anyone who ever came into contact with Casey—let's just say—Orlando, should be grateful to this invaluable resource and come bearing gifts rather than their own 'Hidden Agenda.'

More on the "Hidden Agenda" later…

Lev

LinasK
08-08-2008, 02:31 PM
Hello all. I know I'm new to posting in this discussion, but I was just so disgusted last night with this case I felt compelled to post.

Last night as I was lying in bed about to fall asleep I kept running the same thought over in my head.

There is no shame.

No one today seems to have any shame or pride. Nothing is private. It used to be only your close friends and family knew who you were as a person and could make judgment calls on your life. It used to be that if you acted out or did something questionable, they called you on it and you were held accountable by your own shame. With sites like myspace and facebook, blogs and social networking in general I see young people and some older folks posting the most ridiculously private and shameful things as if they were proud of them.

Thankfully not everyone uses these sites to bloat their egos by sharing with the entire world how they partied their a$$es off all weekend, did drugs, slept with multiple people, etc. But many in this younger generation do just this. Oh and there are lot's of photo's and video's posted to back up their claims of coolness.

I myself am 38 years old. I have three children. I was part of the "latch key" generation. My parents could've cared less about where I was, as long as I was home before the street lights came on. And if I were caught doing something bad I was held accountable. No if's and's or but's about it. I knew there would be consequences. And if I did do something crazy or silly or kid-like, then it was a SECRET. Something which usually was later found out by the people who knew me (Mom, Dad, etc) and I was once again held accountable. I had learned SHAME and PRIDE through good choices. I had developed that little voice that guides my actions. I had a conscience.

Now, hang with me here for a second. There are a few things in the above equation that are responsible for the learning of shame and pride in good choices and it shaped my behavior.

First of all, fear. I was fearful of the consequences of my actions or poor choices. Secondly, my group of friends (as we had no internet and had to go outside to seek friendships) was smaller. I was less likely to meet people who didn't really care about me and encouraged me to make poor choices. Oh there were those people around but not 500 of them on myspace egging me on. Instead I had one or two best friends (not BFF's but REAL friends) that always pulled me back to reality. I also had Grandparents who guided me in the absence of my mother and step-father. They EXPECTED something more of me than to run around like a lunatic doing whatever I wanted. And then I also had the sense of community that kept me grounded knowing that I would be the talk of the town. Like the time two friends and I drove my mothers car down the street and got caught. People who knew us, saw us and told my mother without fear my mother would turn things around on them. She would actually direct her frustration where it belonged.....with me. Scolding me and teaching me a lesson about lying, stealing and respect.

Now I see these kids all over these social networking sites bragging about things I would've been embarrassed of then and now. They are "best friends" egging one another on, encouraging shameful behavior. There is no respect for one's self or respect for others. There is bullying and promiscuity, false pride and disrespect. There is no real and true parental presence in their lives.

For example, my niece. She has a myspace page and has had this page since she was 12 years old. Her mother knows but either doesn't understand or doesn't care. I became "friends" with her on her page. One day I noticed she posted pictures of herself that were very questionable, as well as pictures and video of the front of her home, the school and grade she was in, etc. Things a pedophile could see and use to hurt her. First thing I did was call her mother to warn her. And guess what happened? I was screamed at on the phone! I think her mother felt embarrassed and "bothered" by it instead of concerned and appreciative of the information. I did not in any way approach her with venom or in order to shame her parenting skills. I was genuinely concerned for this child and the direction in which she was headed. Just like when I was a kid and called out for "borrowing" my mothers car and my neighbor reported to my mother my activities. Except like I said earlier, my mother held ME accountable and not my accuser. After all, they were my actions. I had to own them.

And so after turning this over in my head and relating it to this case I have an opinion of my own. And indeed part of that opinion is based on things I have read on this family's myspace pages they felt the need to make public just as if we knew one another personally and lived in the same town. I guess we could call that town the internet.

I believe this Casey girl (dare I call her a woman) cares nothing about anyone but herself. She does not see past her own nose. She is disconnected with the real world. Her family, as it appears to me, cannot handle her. There is/was no accountability or discipline. There is no shame. I am fairly sure Casey could pretty much do whatever she wanted without any real consequences because either her parents just threw their hands up and she had plenty of party friends encouraging her to continue with her shameful behavior, or she is just plain crazy. Either way someone should have stepped in long ago and rescued that child from a mother like that. After all, it is obvious in this little town we call the internet that she did not respect herself or others. She lies. She steals. She is promiscuous. She is irresponsible. In any town in the United States she would be viewed as the girl you don't bring home to your mother. Of course that would have been a generation ago..........

And so I have one thing to say to the family, to Casey, to the father or boyfriend and his family. SHAME ON YOU. Shame on you for not being engaged in your daughters life enough to care about her and her child. To not care enough to do something before any of this happened. To not care enough to do something now but point fingers at everyone but yourself. Shame on you for attacking and blaming others who just call it like they see it. After all, if you had cared long before this, maybe it would have never happened and no one would even know your name.

Gypsy, this wins post of the day in my book! Excellent post that says it all about personal responsibility!:clap::clap::clap:

LI_Mom
08-08-2008, 02:40 PM
gypsiechavi :star1::star1::clap::clap:

SweetDreamOfYou
08-08-2008, 02:46 PM
i feel so sorry for all the families that have been drug into this mess by casey. as well as her own family.
all people are different and how ever that family was able to remain together before this mess was no ones business.
casey's friends may be a little wild but theres every possibility that they will outgrow it and become wonderful contributing adults some day.
i feel bad that they had to have their lives opened up to the world before they had a chance to do that.

but......these people all knew casey and thye chose to be part of her life. they put themselves in this situation.
and i don't see how anything i have done here or said here is any different than what i have done or said in rl.
as my parentsw always told me if u don't watch who you assocate with it can come back to bite u lol and it did before i learned my lesson


that said god bless all the people in this case including casey.


terri

believe09
08-08-2008, 03:03 PM
I disagree with the majority here-there is one and only one person who has been named by LE as the perpetrator of a crime. Regardless of our first amendment rights, and Rev. Grund's first amendment rights, words hurt. I do not for one moment believe that if the tables were turned, you would be tolerating the speculation and beat down that is all over the internet concerning people on the periphery of this case-I am sure that I have made my share of judgmental posts in frustration on several cases, but I regret them.

We still have a single goal I hope at WS and that is to keep watch until Caylee is home one way or another. JMO.

Do unto others and all that, right??

Salem
08-08-2008, 03:04 PM
Respectfully snipped --

And so I have one thing to say to the family, to Casey, to the father or boyfriend and his family. SHAME ON YOU. Shame on you for not being engaged in your daughters life enough to care about her and her child. To not care enough to do something before any of this happened. To not care enough to do something now but point fingers at everyone but yourself. Shame on you for attacking and blaming others who just call it like they see it. After all, if you had cared long before this, maybe it would have never happened and no one would even know your name.

While I agree with the majority of your post, I really find this last paragraph to be judgmental and lacking in compassion. We have several posters on this board that have tried to explain what it is like to deal with a compulsive liar. NOT AN EASY TASK.

These parents were engaged in Casey's life and Caylee's. Why do you think Casey was living at home? Because the parents probably felt that Casey could not do it on her own. AND you know what, apparently they were right. From all that has happened and been posted about their personal lives, it is also apparent that these parents got fed up with their daughter and told her she had to take responsibility for her actions and learn to stand on her own to feet. AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! Now, they are not only faced with the loss of their granddaughter, but also the possibility of having a murderer for a daughter and whatever guilt they might feel for doing their best to stand up to their daughter and teach her the consequences of her actions.

These parents cannot win - doesn't matter what they do. They can not win against their daughter. Their lives have been destroyed unless we get a miracle here pretty soon. As for shaming Caylee's biofather, shaming him for unprotected sex works but shaming him for not being involved in Caylee's life, if he did not know she existed is a little much.

If this were me, I would certainly be attacking anyone "who is calling it like they see it" because you know what..... they don't have all the facts. How do we know the Anthony's did not try to get counseling for their daughter in high school? How do we know if they could have afforded such services? or if they insurance? We don't know what their lives have been like. We do know that they were doing their best to provide for Casey and Caylee, even though Casey was using and abusing them.

While I understand some of the family's behavior has been frustrating, I also understand that if I was wearing their shoes, I would be out of my mind and I would refuse to be responsible for anything that might happen. The stress they are under, in my opinion, must be very, very difficult to bear. I am pretty sure that Cindy is on medication based on her physical behavior over the last few days.

Casey is 22 years old with a child. Definitely old enough to take responsibility for herself. If she choses to live in a world of lies, that's her choice. If her brain is wired differently, I don't know what to say. But I do know that people like her can wear you down and wear you out without breaking a sweat, no matter what you do.

Salem

tiredblondy
08-08-2008, 03:15 PM
I said many of these things too until my daughter became a Casey. I would love for all of you,to have walked a day in my shoes with my daughter. I thought I had the answers too. One cannot imagine what it's like!!! till you go through it yourself! Personal experience speaks facts!

LinasK
08-08-2008, 03:23 PM
I said many of these things too until my daughter became a Casey. I would love for all of you,to have walked a day in my shoes with my daughter. I thought I had the answers too. One cannot imagine what it's like!!! till you go through it yourself! Personal experience speaks facts!

We've had similar, but not as bad of experiences as Casey with a niece. Doesn't excuse personal responsibility.:snooty::snooty::snooty: Bi-polar runs in this family too.

wanttohelp
08-08-2008, 07:05 PM
why did he say he can't devulge any details....is he saying he knows where she is?

Amster
08-08-2008, 07:38 PM
Seems to me that Casey lied and this family believed Caylee to be grandchild, daughter, niece etc. That is a horrible thing for her to do. Casey Anthony has caused so much pain to so many people.

Adrienne37
08-08-2008, 08:18 PM
The focus here should not be who said what, what forum stated what, etc., the focus here should be the fact that CAYLEE ANTHONY is missing and to this date, has not been found. Period, end of discussion. Right now, I could care less about Cindy or George Anthony, Lee Anthony, Casey Anthony, the Grund family, etc. I care about Caylee and Caylee only, where she is at and whether she is alive (which I seriously doubt). The inconsistencies by this entire family has caused delay after delay after delay regarding this investigation and it seems that LE was purposely diverted away from the focus of this investigation, again Caylee Anthony, by having to follow bogus leads and statements. If they cared one iota about their child, grandchild, niece, friend, etc., everyone related to this case would tell the truth. This is just my opinion and I stand by it 100%.

santos1014
08-08-2008, 10:29 PM
You are right my dear. The only problem is anyone can sue. He wouldn't win. It would be tossed because I would fight it tooth and nail of course. I'm hoping someone talks some sense into because all he will do is lose his money. And it would cost me money too.

He needs to get his priorities straight...IN MY OPINION...


Exactly!!! Why does he care what ANYONE thinks of him...FIND CAYLEE! That little angel is all that matters!